Re: WinPIM

[Chris Montgomery]

Howdy Vishal,

Wednesday, October 15, 2003, 12:21:44 AM, Vishal wrote:

> no weekly view. no notes.

Not true. There is a weekly view.

>From the Help:

"If you use the Maximize Window button in the calendar area, the
calendar will fill the entire Time & Chaos window in a Month View mode."

Actually, I couldn't find a maximize button, but double-clicking on the
Calendar title bar brought up the full-month view.

[snip]

"If you double-click on a day in a particular week, the Month View will
turn into a Week View to allow you to focus on the smaller period."

So there you have it...a weekly view.

In the Telephone Book sub-window there is a menu icon for Notes. Can't
be much more obvious than that.

Cheers.

-- 
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Re[2]: 2.01.00 Release

[Vishal]

Hi Marck

Tuesday, October 14, 2003, 10:12:31 PM, you wrote:


MDP> It means that my messages are PGP/MIME signed and that (if you use
MDP> PGP or GnuPG) you can verify 1) that they come from me and 2) that
MDP> they are unchanged.

Do we need to install some other version of PGP for this? Because as usual, your
and Allie's signatures don't validate. Invalid signature - unknown signature
format.


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Re[2]: Version 2.01 - New Logo

[Vishal]

Hi Roelof

Tuesday, October 14, 2003, 6:51:08 PM, you wrote:


SF>> Blimey - that sure flew out of the screen at me!!

RO> Yuck! I want the old one back.

No way..I love this one :) TB needs color! Even though I'm going to disable
splash screens again :p


Cheers,

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Re: Version 2.01 - New Logo

[Allen]

10/15/2003, 12:52 AM: Thomas said in "Version 2.01 - New Logo"

>> I have been getting access violations one right after another since installing
>> 2.01. I even went back and installed v2 and then .18 and .22 still not running
>> right.  I  just  closes with no warning and there can be 4 or 5 little bats in
>> the system tray.

TM> Can't confirm that. But i only copied the file "thebat.exe" over the old
TM> one. You run the setup? Perhaps something wrong with the setup routine.

I'm  using same OS as Paul - ran full installer for 2.01 and I am having
no troubles at all . . .

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Re: Version 2.01 is out

[Roger Phillips]

Hello Avi,

Tuesday, October 14, 2003, 11:46:56 PM, among other things you wrote:

scc> So, what compelling reasons are there for me to upgrade to version 2.00,
scc> other than the 50% discount offer, which expires in another 17 days?

Access to future upgrades at the discounted price.

scc>   Are there reasons NOT to upgrade at this time?

I  would  say  there  are  none.   Even  if,  like me, you have no immediate
interest  in  the major improvements to IMAP and PGP.  There are a number of
minor, but significant improvements to other things too.

I  noticed  that  your  signature  etc. was not automatically removed when I
invoked  the "reply to" command.  Although you appear to have the "bar" bits
entered perhaps something has been left out on your template.  Should be:
  Perhaps the  was omitted.

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 Roger  

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Re: 2.01.00 Release - scroll keys

[Lawrence Johnson]

This is pretty weird.

Scroll-keys (e.g. PageUp, PageDown) no longer work in the Message Preview pane for the 
main window or in a View Folder window and cannot place a visual cursor in the pane.

This is the case for at least some, but not all messages.  For instance, the digests 
from [EMAIL PROTECTED] are OK.   Edit windows (as opposed to View windows) are OK as 
well. I haven't determined a further pattern yet.

Have I overlooked something in 2.01?

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Re[2]: WinPIM

[Vishal]

Hi Chris

Wednesday, October 15, 2003, 3:35:55 AM, you wrote:


>>From the Help:

CM> "If you use the Maximize Window button in the calendar area, the
CM> calendar will fill the entire Time & Chaos window in a Month View mode."

CM> Actually, I couldn't find a maximize button,

great usability :)

CM> but double-clicking on the
CM> Calendar title bar brought up the full-month view.

CM> [snip]

CM> "If you double-click on a day in a particular week, the Month View will
CM> turn into a Week View to allow you to focus on the smaller period."

CM> So there you have it...a weekly view.

interesting. i stand corrected. but as i'd said earlier, "time and chaos - no
weekly view. no notes. ok looking calendar..didn't explore much though." i
hadn't explored that calendar much.

CM> In the Telephone Book sub-window there is a menu icon for Notes. Can't
CM> be much more obvious than that.

Oh I saw that. Those notes are meant to be attached to appointments or .
Radically different from what I meant. I wanted notes that would enable me to
use this as a real information manager. That meant independent notes(not
attached to an appointment), of unlimited size, searchable, in tree outline, and
with rich text/HTML support so I can make for example - bulleted lists. T&C's
notes were pretty useless in this regard, so for my purpose there were "no
notes". WinPIM offers all this and more in a nicer interface. Check it out again
- it's improved.

Cheers,

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Connection Center

[Allen]

In the connection center, keyboard shortcuts for hide (alt+H) and delete
task  (alt+D) work however details (alt+e) and abort all (alt+a) trigger
no response for me.  Anyone confirm?

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Re: 2.01.00 Release - scroll keys

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Lawrence,

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 03:14:43 -0500GMT (15-10-03, 10:14 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

LJ> Scroll-keys (e.g. PageUp, PageDown) no longer work in the
LJ> Message Preview pane for the main window or in a View Folder
LJ> window and cannot place a visual cursor in the pane.

LJ> This is the case for at least some, but not all messages. 

What kind of messages show this behaviour?
HTML/Text
Text only
HTML only
What are your settings for viewing HTML
  (Options -> Preferences -> Viewer/Editor)
What OS
What keyboard language, etc

-- 
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Re: 2.01.00 Release

[Allie Martin]

Vishal, [V] wrote:

V> Do we need to install some other version of PGP for this? Because as
V> usual, your and Allie's signatures don't validate. Invalid signature
V> - unknown signature format.

Which PGP version are you using? If it's the integrated PGP version,
then it will not be able to validate our signatures since it's based on
PGP v2.x  which doesn't support DH/DSS key types. I'd recommend using
either GnuPG or PGP v7 or later. There are also the ckt versions of PGP
6.5.8 that you could also use.

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Re: 2.01.00 Release - scroll keys

[Allie Martin]

Lawrence Johnson, [LJ] wrote:

LJ> Scroll-keys (e.g. PageUp, PageDown) no longer work in the
LJ> Message Preview pane for the main window or in a View Folder window
LJ> and cannot place a visual cursor in the pane.

I've noted this in the last two beta's before this official release. I
still confirm it here.

The Alt-up/down scrolling still works. Same for spacebar. However, after
putting the viewer window in focus, the the up/down and pageup/down keys
no longer scroll. This occurs with all my messages since noting the
problem. The majority are plain text. Others are HTML. I use the Rich
text viewer mainly. Upon switching to the plain text viewer, the problem
doesn't exist.



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RE:Version 2.01 - New Logo

[Jurgen Haug]

Hello Vishal,

Wednesday, October 15, 2003, 9:42:10 AM, you wrote:


> Tuesday, October 14, 2003, 6:51:08 PM, you wrote:


SF>>> Blimey - that sure flew out of the screen at me!!

RO>> Yuck! I want the old one back.

> No way..I love this one :) TB needs color! Even though I'm going to disable
> splash screens again :p


> Cheers,

I really loved the old one. This new one is cute and all, but the old one had more 
character (> IMHO!!!) and it looked more realistic, the new bat itself is somewhat 
abstract, and also the old one had a real envolope it was busy delivering the new one 
not. Apart from all that, I have /nologo too LOL. 

Request:
Is there anyone out there who is still using the 1.6x Christmas Edition and can do a 
screen copy of the bat with the little Santa hat ? that would be cool!

-- 
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 Jurgen

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Re: 2.01.00 Release - scroll keys

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Allie,

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 05:50:21 -0500GMT (15-10-03, 12:50 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

AM> The Alt-up/down scrolling still works. Same for spacebar. However, after
AM> putting the viewer window in focus, the the up/down and pageup/down keys
AM> no longer scroll. This occurs with all my messages since noting the
AM> problem. The majority are plain text. Others are HTML. I use the Rich
AM> text viewer mainly. Upon switching to the plain text viewer, the problem
AM> doesn't exist.

Reading your message and Lawrence's private reply to me, explains why
I didn't notice it. As I prefer to read my messages as plain text and
no RTV. I can reproduce it.

Since you said you noticed it in the last betas, I presume Ritlabs
already is in the know...

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Re[2]: Version 2.01 - New Logo

[mm Meister]

Hello Jurgen,

Wednesday, October 15, 2003, 7:24:21 AM, you wrote:

JH> Request:
JH> Is there anyone out there who is still using the 1.6x Christmas Edition and can do 
a screen copy of the bat with the little Santa hat ? that would be cool!

I am on my other laptop. Will fire it up later today and see what I
can do. Isn't there a file in the other version I can copy to you
instead of a capture?

Maggie

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OT: WinPIM

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Chris,

CM> Yes, about a year ago. I went with T&C over WinPIM. For me, T&C
CM> was a hands-down better application, much more stable on my Win2k
CM> box. I had a tough time getting my Outlook address book into
CM> WinPIM, T&C was much easier (there is an app on their site to
CM> convert and read in Outlook address book data).




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Re[2]: 2.01.00 Release

[Peter Kerekes]

Hello Allie,
On October 14, 2003, 22:08, you wrote:

AM> Jack Morrison, [JM] wrote:

JM>> Okay...what's the yellow checkmark in the envelope (in the Message
JM>> List window) mean??

JM>> It's popped up on your last two messages, Marck.

AM> It indicates that the message was digitally signed, in this case, using
AM> PGP.

How come I don't see any checkmark?

BTW I don't use any PGP, is this why?

 I use MicroEd Editor. For some time now (including Allie's and Mark's) Emails
 shows a TAB, and an "attachment" called *Part.txt* which is probably created by
 PGP. I did not remember having that with older versions of BAT (1.5-1.6x),
 those had at the end of the E-mailthe same text, sometimes stripped by the
 special sig-delimiter other times not.

-- 
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Re: Preview Pane

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Pixie,

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 10:13:26 -0400 GMT (15/10/2003, 21:13 +0700 GMT),
Pixie wrote:

C>> In version 2, when no message is selected, the preview pane in empty
C>> and grey. Maybe I'm weird, but the empty preview pane is unnerving.

It makes sense to me.

> I'm for having it simply go away and allow me full height view of
> the message list.. disappear/reappear automatically.

I am against that. I don't want my view change all the time. ;-)

-- 

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scheduler & backup

[Steve & Mary King]

Has anybody figured out how to use ver. 2.01's Scheduler to do regular
backups?  Backup doesn't seem to be one of the offered Actions.

Thanks!

Steve . . .



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Re: scheduler & backup

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Wednesday, October 15, 2003, Steve & Mary King wrote:

> Has anybody figured out how to use ver. 2.01's Scheduler to do regular
> backups?  Backup doesn't seem to be one of the offered Actions.

this is a planned feature, it is not possible right now.

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Re: v2.01 crash & burn

[DavidBoggon]

The problem is in my data folder.
Moving it allows TB to open.

I assume there is a corrupted account or config file, but how do
I go about identifying it?

eek! this web interface is really very disturbing. Glad to be
switching to fastmail soon

David 

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Re[2]: WinPim

[Vishal]

Hi Steve

Tuesday, October 14, 2003, 10:01:50 AM, you wrote:

ST> How  do you sync the address book with TB?

I don't use the address book. TB is my address book. But I'll experiment with
moving it out one day.

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Re[2]: Integrate Bat witha PIM?

[Vishal]

Hi Jan

Tuesday, October 14, 2003, 8:13:25 AM, you wrote:

JR>  You might take a look @ Opensoft's Ariadne Organizer.

Interesting. I ran across this earlier but didn't check it out. I'll give it a
whirl.

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Re[2]: 2.01.00 Release

[Vishal]

Hi Allie

Wednesday, October 15, 2003, 6:30:28 AM, you wrote:

AM> Which PGP version are you using? If it's the integrated PGP version,

Yes it is.

AM> then it will not be able to validate our signatures since it's based on
AM> PGP v2.x  which doesn't support DH/DSS key types. I'd recommend using
AM> either GnuPG or PGP v7 or later.

I use PGP 7 on my other machines.


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Base 64 decode in message text.

[David Stone]

Hello,

If I use PGP/MIME and encrypt/sign a message* with an attachment, say a
JPEG  file, and send it to myself at another TheBat! account then I can
PGP decrypt the message but the JPEG is shown as base64 text within the
message.   To   view the JPEG (or base64) I have to cut/paste and save
to  another  file where I can use a 'shell' utility to right click the
file and decode the base64 material.

If  I  do  not use PGP/MIME (set to 'off') and repeat the above then the
JPEG appears as a separate attachment and can be viewed within TheBAt!
message.

I know some other clients decode PGP/MIME base64 and present it within
the message (TurnPike, Eudora), so, is there a plugin for TheBat! that
could decode base64 on the fly? I suppose there are virus implications
which is why TheBat! does not decode base64 inline! Although I would
imagine the AV software that most people run would cope with it.




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characters  have  to  be  set  as 'quoted-printable' otherwise even my
message text appears as base64.

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Re: Using a > in the text and avoiding to show it as a quote

[Anne]

On Tuesday, October 14, 2003, 11:39:20 PM, Chris wrote in message:
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
C>   > No Color! (for real)


Agreed Chris... no colour :-)

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Re: Using a > in the text and avoiding to show it as a quote

[Anne]

On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, 12:02:53 AM, MAU wrote in message:
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]

M> It's good we are only in version 2 and not 17 ;-)


H you may have a good point there Miguel!!! ;-)

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Re:2.01.00 Release

[Rob]

Hi Allie,

on Tue, 14 Oct 2003, at 21:08:33 local time (GMT -0500), you wrote:

JM>> Okay...what's the yellow checkmark in the envelope

AM> It indicates that the message was digitally signed, in this case, using
AM> PGP.

Mmm, this is funny ; i noticed my (GPG signed) post yesterday did not have
the checkmark, so i did some test-replies with various settings to see why
not. On one reply the yellow checkmark _did_ show up in the Outbox, but now
i can not reproduce it ...  :-(

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Re[2]: 2.01.00 Release

[Jack Morrison]

Tuesday, October 14, 2003, 10:38:01 PM, you wrote:

[]
> Digital signing has been a long time supported feature in TB.

> TB 2 adds the following:

> 1) The flagging of MIME signed messages in the message list.

Thus the new yellow checkmark, I assume.

Thanks for the explanation!

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Re: scheduler & backup

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Steve,

on Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:43:42 -0700GMT (15.10.03, 16:43 +0200GMT here),
you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

SMK> Has anybody figured out how to use ver. 2.01's Scheduler to do regular
SMK> backups?  Backup doesn't seem to be one of the offered Actions.

I use Allie Martin's batch file for my backups of The Bat! instead of
TB!'s built-in backup. It saves the complete TB! directory plus registry
key to a .rar archive, and on updating only edits what has changed.
There should be a copy in Marck's TBUDL pages as linked to below. If you
prefer, I can send it to you via PM.

This .bat file can be evoked by the scheduler under actions -- run program.

-- 
Cheers
Peter

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Re: scheduler & backup

[Peter Meyns]

Hi all,

on Wed, 15 Oct 2003 21:14:59 +0200GMT I wrote in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

PM> This .bat file can be evoked by the scheduler under actions -- run program.

I'd like to add that I wouldn't recommend doing this on Win98. I tried
it twice, and the scheduler correctly informed me 1 minute before, and a
minute later Windows froze completely, leaving only the reset button...

I won't try it a third time. I prefer doing my backups manually
anyway... ;-)

-- 
Cheers
Peter

Me, indecisive?  I'm not so sure about that...

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2.01.00 connection centre slow?

[Frank J de Bruin]

Hello tbudl,

I have installed 2.01.00 and while it seems to run okay, the
connection centre is extremely slow.

I notice transfer speeds of 310 CPS. Anyone else sees this?

Frank de Bruin





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Re: scheduler & backup

[Steve & Mary King]

 Peter, Wednesday, October 15, 2003, 12:14:59 PM, you wrote:==

> Hi Steve,

> on Wed, 15 Oct 2003 07:43:42 -0700GMT (15.10.03, 16:43 +0200GMT here),
> you wrote in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] :

SMK>> Has anybody figured out how to use ver. 2.01's Scheduler to do regular
SMK>> backups?  Backup doesn't seem to be one of the offered Actions.

> I use Allie Martin's batch file for my backups of The Bat! instead of
> TB!'s built-in backup. It saves the complete TB! directory plus registry
> key to a .rar archive, and on updating only edits what has changed.
> There should be a copy in Marck's TBUDL pages as linked to below. If you
> prefer, I can send it to you via PM.

> This .bat file can be evoked by the scheduler under actions -- run program.

Peter,

Please send us the batch file as an attachment.  Our direct email address
is [EMAIL PROTECTED]

I don't know why, but I never thought about using a batch file to back up
The Bat!.  I use one to back up my registry before I edit it and batch
files for some other things.  Some times, the old ways are the best
(easiest).

Thanks!!!

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Searching in messages

[Cedric Fontaine]

Hello !

Is it me or is there a problem in search function ?
If I look for CTI in subject in different folders, it returns a lot
of non accurate answers... Is it the same for you (using The Bat!
2.01). Is the search string too short ?

Also, if I want to search in a folder and all sub-folders I have to
check them all or is there a faster way to do it ?
  

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Re: What is the messy business

[0000]

E>> Alt-X does not keep the folders in place. They continue to pop back
E>> to wherever ... I am not sure if it is creation time that is setting
E>> them in place, I am so tired of it all, I no longer remember.

AM> I was just perusing Bugtraq and see that this problem has already been
AM> reported since Sept 23rd. Hopefully, it'll be fixed soon.

Allie,

Do you know if the problem has been fixed?  I am growing
less patient with each passing day.  I installed 2.01 which
does NOTHING for the program's inability to hold a folder in
alphabetical order.

Elaine




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Re: 2.01.00 Release

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Rob,

@15-Oct-2003, 20:16 +0200 (19:16 UK time) Rob [R] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Allie:

AM>> It indicates that the message was digitally signed, in this
AM>> case, using PGP.

R> Mmm, this is funny ; i noticed my (GPG signed) post yesterday did
R> not have the checkmark, so i did some test-replies with various
R> settings to see why not. On one reply the yellow checkmark _did_
R> show up in the Outbox, but now i can not reproduce it ...  :-(

MIME is the key. A PGP/MIME signature (like this message has and
like your previous message had) or an S/MIME signature will show a
check mark in the message list. A non-MIME signed message or an
unsigned message will not have a check mark.

The reason? Well, the message list is displaying information gleaned
from the message header. A MIME signature has an impact on the
message headers. TB indicates the presence of the MIME signarture
with a check mark.

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Re: Searching in messages

[MAU]

Hello Cedric,

> Also, if I want to search in a folder and all sub-folders I have to
> check them all or is there a faster way to do it ?

Ctrl+Click on the "parent" folder.

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Re: Searching in messages

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Wednesday, October 15, 2003, Cedric Fontaine wrote:

> Hello !

> Is it me or is there a problem in search function ?
> If I look for CTI in subject in different folders, it returns a lot
> of non accurate answers... Is it the same for you (using The Bat!
> 2.01). Is the search string too short ?

> Also, if I want to search in a folder and all sub-folders I have to
> check them all or is there a faster way to do it ?
  
use right mouse click for opening Pop-up menu with options for
selecting/unselecting folders and accounts.

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Re: Searching in messages

[MAU]

Hello Cedric,

> Is it me or is there a problem in search function ?
> If I look for CTI in subject in different folders, it returns a lot
> of non accurate answers... Is it the same for you (using The Bat!
> 2.01). Is the search string too short ?

It seems to be working fine here.

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Re: Searching in messages

[Vishal]

Hi Cedric

Wednesday, October 15, 2003, 4:43:11 PM, you wrote:


CF> Also, if I want to search in a folder and all sub-folders I have to
CF> check them all or is there a faster way to do it ?

Checking the account name usually selects all folders and subfolders. I can't
help if you'd rather only select a particular folder's subfolders.

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Re[2]: filter logs

[Vishal]

Hi Adam

Tuesday, October 14, 2003, 5:27:44 PM, you wrote:

V>> I did look at that but it didn't show any filter activity. Hmmm..looks like the
V>> filters aren't responsible at all then. I guess I'll figure it out. Thanks.

A> Filter processing should appear there, if you scroll to the right. It
A> tells you what filter rule "Processed by..."

I know..I meant that there was actually no filter activity going on because it
usually does show up. Thanks


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Re:What?

[Simon Fincham]

Hi Tony,

On 15 October 2003 at 21:58:29GMT +0100, Tony Boom sent an E-Mail mid:[EMAIL 
PROTECTED] on the subject of "What?":


TB> Can anyone tell me what the hell this says please? And also what type
TB> of key I need to decrypt them should I get any in the future?

No idea... I just trashed the 4! I had...  I believe it's an update to give info on 
version 2.01 (that we already know about) - I'm only guessing as I can't read it 
either

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anybody having problems with Web2Pop?

[Vishal]

Hi,

I haven't been able to receive any mail from Yahoo accounts via Web2Pop for a
week now. A quick search on the web2pop forums revealed that others are having
similar problems. I'd like to know if it's working for anyone here though.

Cheers,

-Vishal



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Mark as junk in rules ?

[Cedric Fontaine]

Hello !

Is there a way to automatically Mark as junk a mail using a rule ?
I'm reporting spam via a specific rule and would like also to mark it
as junk in order to fil my bayesian filter...

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Re[2]: Preview Pane

[Vishal]

Hi Thomas

Wednesday, October 15, 2003, 10:32:12 AM, you wrote:

C>>> In version 2, when no message is selected, the preview pane in empty
C>>> and grey. Maybe I'm weird, but the empty preview pane is unnerving.

TF> It makes sense to me.

Not to me. I don't like having to click one more time. We actually debated this
earlier before 2.0 was out didn't we? At that time it was supposed to be
customizable, but it looks like they didn't do it that way when 2.0 finally came
out. Any idea why not?

>> I'm for having it simply go away and allow me full height view of
>> the message list.. disappear/reappear automatically.

TF> I am against that. I don't want my view change all the time. ;-)

Me too.


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Re:2.01.00 Release

[Rob]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Hi Marck,

on Wed, 15 Oct 2003, at 21:50:35 local time (GMT +0100), you wrote:

MDP> MIME is the key. A PGP/MIME signature (like this message has and
MDP> like your previous message had) or an S/MIME signature will show a
MDP> check mark in the message list. A non-MIME signed message or an
MDP> unsigned message will not have a check mark.

i found out what the difference is between my 2 messages ; the one you just
replied to has a checkmark and the one in the "Version 2.01 is out" thread
are both signed but only the previous one shows a checkmark ...

What i did in the first one was "Privacy - OpenPGP - Sign entire text", while
for the one you replied to, i used "Privay - Sign when completed" ...
shouldn't make a difference as dar as MIME is concerned ??

I'll use the first option again for this one, so despite being signed it
should not have a checkmark.

- --
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on Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 4
~
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: GnuPG v1.2.3 (MingW32)
Comment: signed, sealed, delivered ...

iD8DBQE/jbp8nbXP+5Mcmp8RAms1AJ91qL5ZCPiKYQheJuzpZESqAlT9lQCgwNow
+M1hjt2R4DGHBIaG7/jWkY4=
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Re:2.01.00 Release

[Rob]

Hi Marck,

on Wed, 15 Oct 2003, at 21:50:35 local time (GMT +0100), you wrote:

DP> MIME is the key. A PGP/MIME signature (like this message has and
MDP> like your previous message had) or an S/MIME signature will show a
MDP> check mark in the message list.

signed this reply with "Privacy - Sign when completed" ...

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Re: 2.01.00 connection centre slow?

[Frank J de Bruin]

FJdB> I have installed 2.01.00 and while it seems to run okay, the
FJdB> connection centre is extremely slow.

I think I solved the mystery: a CDROM left in its drive. After
removing it, system behaves normal again.

Frank

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Re: anybody having problems with Web2Pop?

[Edgar]

Hello Vishal,

On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, 11:12:52 PM, you wrote:

> I haven't been able to receive any mail from Yahoo accounts via Web2Pop for a
> week now. A quick search on the web2pop forums revealed that others are having
> similar problems. I'd like to know if it's working for anyone here though.

I use Yahoopops and it works fine. (But slow)

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Spam About The Bat!?

[znark]

G'day TBUDL,

Is this a real email from ritlabs?

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Re: anybody having problems with Web2Pop?

[0000]

Hello Vishal

On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, you wrote

V> I haven't been able to receive any mail from Yahoo accounts via Web2Pop for a
V> week now. A quick search on the web2pop forums
V> revealed that others are having
V> similar problems. I'd like to know if it's working for anyone here though.

I pay for pop download from yahoo and have had no problems
though a hard shutdown after a power outage blew my TB!
settings the other night and it was an accident to discover
yahoo was not downloading to the tune of close to 1300 (and
overflowing yahoo mailbox) messages.  Once reset, all was
well with the download.  I have never used web2pop (free?),
used pop3 download when free and then when forced to pay US
yahoo to continue the service, I paid.

Elaine

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much. --Oscar Wilde




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Re: Preview Pane

[0000]

V> Wednesday, October 15, 2003, 10:32:12 AM, you wrote:

C In version 2, when no message is selected, the preview pane in empty
C and grey. Maybe I'm weird, but the empty
C preview pane is unnerving.

Unnerving and plain dang ugly.

Elaine




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Re: 2.01.00 Release

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Rob,

@15-Oct-2003, 23:22 +0200 (22:22 UK time) Rob [R] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:

R> I'll use the first option again for this one, so despite being
R> signed it should not have a checkmark.

It doesn't have a checkmark because "Sign complete text" does a
real-time *text* signature. "Sign when complete" will pay additional
attention to the PGP/MIME settings (which default to "Auto").

Text signed messages have no "Signed" headers and therefore no
checkmark.

A message signed when complete with PGP/MIME set to On will get a
proper PGP/MIME signature and will have a check mark in the message
list.

A message signed when complete with PGP/MIME set to Off will get a
text signature instead of a MIME one and have no check mark.

A message signed when complete with PGP/MIME set to Auto will get a
text signature instead of a MIME one and have no check mark
*sometimes*.

The rules for that last one are that PGP/MIME is used (and a
checkmark seen in the message list) ...

1) If there are 8 bit characters in the message
2) If any lines end with a space (like the cut mark line)
3) If any lines start with 'from'

otherwise, if none of the above conditions are met, the message will
be signed with a text signature and will get no checkmark.

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Re:2.01.00 Release

[znark]

G'day Marck,
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, at 00:54:53 [GMT +0100] (09:54 here) you wrote:


MDP> I have copied this message over from the Canadian TB list - thanks
MDP> to Thomas Martin for posting it there.

<..snip..>

MDP> [*] PGP key for [EMAIL PROTECTED] is included in the default keyring.

The only Ritlabs corporate key I have in my keyring is an expired key.
Is this the correct one?

Finger print: 55B5 A5D5 741D 058D  27B2 FAC5 F97B 1FD3

Why are there so many expired keys for people at Ritlabs?

<..snip..>
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Re[2]: Using a > in the text and avoiding to show it as a quote

[solidsnake]

Tuesday, October 14, 2003, 4:51:57 AM, you wrote:


C> On Monday, October 13, 2003 at 10:43:59 PM, Allie Martin wrote in the
message "Using a >> in the text and avoiding to show it as a quote"
C> :

>>> My Rich Text and Plain Text Viewers show no color. I am using
>>> version 1.62r. This must be a difference between the 1.x branch and
>>> the 2.x branch.

>> It would seem this is the case. I see the text coloured as well, even
>> though the space is there. Hmmm.

C> I just got my key for version 2, so I will take a look at it. If it
C> turns out that this is a difference in version 2, I will report it.


In the editor preferences, there is a quote lenght limit, which
determines how many position inside the line the quote mark should
appear, to mark the line as quoted.




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Re: 2.01.00 Release

[Allie Martin]

Peter Kerekes, [PK] wrote:

AM>> It indicates that the message was digitally signed, in this case,
AM>> using PGP.

PK> How come I don't see any checkmark?

Signed messages from me should have a checkmark as shown in the capture.
This indicates that my messages are PGP/MIME signed.

http://www.ac-martin.com/pics/check.png

If you aren't seeing this, then I'm not sure why.

PK> BTW I don't use any PGP, is this why?

I don't know.

PK> I use MicroEd Editor. For some time now (including Allie's and
PK> Mark's) Emails shows a TAB, and an "attachment" called *Part.txt*
PK> which is probably created by PGP.

Yes. When we PGP/MIME sign messages as we do, any text appended by the
list server will be appended as an attachment. If it's added as part of
the message body, it would break the PGP/MIME signature.

PK> I did not remember having that with older versions of BAT
PK> (1.5-1.6x),

That's right. Those versions don't support PGP/MIME. What you should see
are two attachments. One for the list footer and the other for the
PGP/MIME signature.

PK> those had at the end of the E-mailthe same text, sometimes stripped
PK> by the special sig-delimiter other times not.

This was when we used in-line signatures which are different from
PGP/MIME. PGP/MIME avoids including the digital signature in the message
body. This makes it cleaner and more presentable. PGP/MIME also allows
you to sign/encrypt attachments that you may wish to send with the text.
The message and attachment are therefore signed as a single package.

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Re: 2.01.00 Release

[Allie Martin]

Vishal, [V] wrote:

V> I use PGP 7 on my other machines.

Do you have my public key?

I don't see why my signatures shouldn't verify for you. They verify ok
here, i.e., the copies of messages sent back to me from the list server.

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Re: Base 64 decode in message text.

[Allie Martin]

David Stone, [DS] wrote:

DS> If I use PGP/MIME and encrypt/sign a message* with an attachment,
DS> say a JPEG file, and send it to myself at another TheBat! account

Is this an internal delivery that you're doing, or are you going via
your ISP?

DS> then I can PGP decrypt the message but the JPEG is shown as base64
DS> text within the message. To view the JPEG (or base64) I have to
DS> cut/paste and save to another file where I can use a 'shell' utility
DS> to right click the file and decode the base64 material.

I can't duplicate this problem when I try it. I did it in two ways. I
did it, but allowing an internal delivery from one TB! account to
another. In the other instance I disabled internal deliveries so the
message was first sent to my LAN mailserver, MDaemon, and then
downloaded by TB! to the other account. In all instances the attachments
were viewed just fine.

This is therefore making me strongly suspect that a mailserver is
messing up somewhere while handling your PGP/MIME messages.

DS> If  I  do  not use PGP/MIME (set to 'off') and repeat the above then the
DS> JPEG appears as a separate attachment and can be viewed within TheBAt!
DS> message.

Well, yes. Nothing should be wrong since inline signing will make your
messages in no way special when a server has to handle it. PGP/MIME
signed mail is different though.

For example, if I send a PGP/MIME signed message to the list with base64
encoding allowed, none of the signatures will validate, thanks to
MDaemon's interference. However, it seems to handle quoted printable
just fine.

DS> I know some other clients decode PGP/MIME base64 and present it
DS> within the message (TurnPike, Eudora), so, is there a plugin for
DS> TheBat! that could decode base64 on the fly?

TB! does decode base64 encoded text on the fly. It certainly does that
here. The messages I sent to myself that were signed and encrypted were
completely unreadable when viewing the source. OTOH, in the viewer, the
message text and attachment appear just fine. For it to do this, base64
encoded material needs to be indicated as such. If the intervening
server messes up the headers of the message, then TB! will fail to
display the base64 encoded material in decoded format. It will instead
treat it as plain text.

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Angle brackets in TO header

[David Stone]

Hello,

If I use a TO header in a NEW email with no angle brackets such as:-

[EMAIL PROTECTED]

then write the message and post it to the outbox I notice that the
Subject line follows on from the TO address like this:-

TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED]:Angle brackets in TO header

This has already caused the TBUDL mailman to baulk on a previous
message from me.

If I add angle brackets in the TO address like:-

tbudl<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

The the headers are not concatenated and the 'Subject:' line is on
it's own line.


Likewise if I don't have angle brackets in the FROM header then the
next line in the headers, X-mailer is attached to the end of the FROM
line, like this:-

From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The Bat! (v2.01) Personal


Is this something new in 2.01 or has it always been this way?

It'll mean I'll have to put angle brackets into every header :(





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Re: What is the messy business

[Allie Martin]

Etm, [E] wrote:

E> Do you know if the problem has been fixed?  I am growing
E> less patient with each passing day.  I installed 2.01 which
E> does NOTHING for the program's inability to hold a folder in
E> alphabetical order.

This means that it hasn't been fixed in a currently available version. I
don't know if it has been fixed at all. :(((

This is a glaring bug. The same goes for the scrolling problem when
using the rich text viewer. I hope a priority is placed on these.

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Re: 2.01.00 Release

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Hi Rob,

@15-Oct-2003, 23:25 +0200 (22:25 UK time) Rob [R] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Marck:

MDP>> like your previous message had) or an S/MIME signature will show a
MDP>> check mark in the message list.

R> signed this reply with "Privacy - Sign when completed" ...

That doesn't have any bearing on what happens - see my previous
response for explanation.

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Re: 2.01.00 Release

[Thomas Martin]

Hello Allie,

on Wednesday, 15. October 2003, at 18:39:35 [GMT -0500] you wrote:

V>> I use PGP 7 on my other machines.

> Do you have my public key?

> I don't see why my signatures shouldn't verify for you. They verify ok
> here, i.e., the copies of messages sent back to me from the list server.

My PGP Log shows that you use a expired Key -:)  Is that right?

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Re: 2.01.00 Release

[John Morse]

Hi The_Bat! Users,

Wednesday, October 15, 2003, 7:12:25 PM, you wrote:

V>>> I use PGP 7 on my other machines.

>> Do you have my public key?

>> I don't see why my signatures shouldn't verify for you. They verify ok
>> here, i.e., the copies of messages sent back to me from the list server.

TM> My PGP Log shows that you use a expired Key -:)  Is that right?

PGP is an absolute waste of time (to me) so if possible when these
discussions turn to PGP issues, is there anyway that we could get
everyone to put PGP in the subject line?
That way I can filter with PGP in the subject and The Bat in the
Kludges, to the trash.

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Re: 2.01.00 Release

[Allie Martin]

Thomas Martin, [TM] wrote:

TM> My PGP Log shows that you use a expired Key -:)  Is that right?

If you're referring to the signed message you responded to, then no,
that isn't right. It was signed using my DH/DSS key id: 0x2B0717E2 .
It's set to never expire.

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Re: Mark as junk in rules ?

[Andy]

> Is there a way to automatically Mark as junk a mail using a rule ?
> I'm reporting spam via a specific rule and would like also to mark
> it as junk in order to fil my bayesian filter...

I'm not going to respond to the question, since I do not have a good
answer, but I might question this policy.

I have this situation myself, as my mailbox host correctly tags some
small percentage of my SPAM. I thought about doing just what you
suggest, but at the end of the day decided to simply move the tagged
mail to my SPAM folder without running it through Bayesian. The
reasoning follows. I admit this is a kind of guess on my part, and I
would be interested in a contrary explanation.

I suspect that since the Bayesian filter learns, you may not want it
learning stuff that you have other means of detecting. All I think you
will do is make it try to duplicate the work done elsewhere, and it
will be filled with words it does not really need or want to know
about.

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Re: 2.01.00 Release

[Thomas Martin]

Hello Allie,

on Wednesday, 15. October 2003, at 19:40:43 [GMT -0500] you wrote:

TM>> My PGP Log shows that you use a expired Key -:)  Is that right?

> If you're referring to the signed message you responded to, then no,
> that isn't right. It was signed using my DH/DSS key id: 0x2B0717E2 .
> It's set to never expire.

Yes to that i am referring. You have a subkey which expired on October,11.
Also an other subkey which expires never added to your key on October 12.
But why my log file, and also in the Keylist, shows that your Key is expired
in general? Strange

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Is PGP worthwile? (was: Re: 2.01.00 Release)

[Allie Martin]

John Morse, [JM] wrote:

JM> PGP is an absolute waste of time (to me)

:) Normally, without really caring about a stranger's opinion, I'd just
let it pass. However, I find PGP to be a very important tool to be
capable of using, and wonder why is it you'd find it a waste of time.

TB! has always provided good support for PGP in the interest of secure
e-mailing as a primary part of its development path. For professional
and even private e-mailing, I strongly agree with and endorse this, so
discussing this would certainly be on-topic, IMO.

How do you prove to others that e-mail is in fact from you or that
e-mail you sent hasn't been altered after you signed it?

How do you go about private or sensitive correspondence with others
through e-mail. You may use alternative means when doing that sort of
correspondence since your current approach to e-mail isn't secure.
However, using PGP could make these things possible with very good
security. A common reason is that you'd be the only one among your
correspondents using it. This was and is no longer the case for me since
speaking with some of those I exchange sensitive information by e-mail
with.

For me, it's been one of those tools that I didn't think I'd need (I
really started using it about a year after I started using TB! and I
remember reluctantly doing so at that) and now that I use it, I can't do
without it. :)

JM> so if possible when these discussions turn to PGP issues, is there
JM> anyway that we could get everyone to put PGP in the subject line?
JM> That way I can filter with PGP in the subject and The Bat in the
JM> Kludges, to the trash.

Good one, so I'll start since we failed to appropriately change the
subject when the focus changed to PGP issues.

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Re: What is the messy business

[Anne]

On Saturday, October 4, 2003, 2:10:49 AM, ETM wrote in message:
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
E>  I also cannot make the accounts hold the order of
E> the folders (alphabetical). They keep jumping back to what I
E> think may be the order of creation. 


I've just spotted this and wonder if it's dependant on which
Windows version you're using? My folder order (under Win 98)
stays exactly as I put them in alpha order or any other order I
choose. They did under 1.x and they still do even under 2.01.

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Re: 2.01.00 Release

[Allie Martin]

Thomas Martin, [TM] wrote:

TM> Yes to that i am referring. You have a subkey which expired on
TM> October,11. Also an other subkey which expires never added to your
TM> key on October 12. But why my log file, and also in the Keylist,
TM> shows that your Key is expired in general? Strange

Hmmm. Would you download my keys from the URL in my signature and
replace the ones you have with those. I don't understand what's
happening either.

Also, I did add another subkey to that key but I've since deleted it.

The problem with the keyservers is that when you update a key, it's done
only in an additive way. So if you update your key by removing a UID or
subkey etc., the update process will not lead to them being removed from
the key on the server.

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Re: 2.01.00 Release

[Thomas Martin]

Hello John,

on Wednesday, 15. October 2003, at 19:40:05 [GMT -0500] you wrote:

> PGP is an absolute waste of time (to me) .

This is the most ignorant post i have read in the last years anywhere.
Sorry... not worth to discuss with you.

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Re : Searching in messages

[Cedric Fontaine]

Hello,

>> Also, if I want to search in a folder and all sub-folders I have to
>> check them all or is there a faster way to do it ?
  
> use right mouse click for opening Pop-up menu with options for
> selecting/unselecting folders and accounts.

Great, that's what I was looking for... Thanks



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Re : Searching in messages

[Cedric Fontaine]

Bonjour !

Le 15 octobre 2003 à 16:55:30, vous écriviez :

> It seems to be working fine here.

Yes, in fact, it seems that it's the advanced option which doesn't
work. If i select "case sensitive", I got the same answer... Is there
something special to do to make it works ?

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Re: What is the messy business

[0000]

A> I've just spotted this and wonder if it's dependant on
A> which Windows version you're using? My folder order
A> (under Win 98) stays exactly as I put them in alpha order
A> or any other order I choose. They did under 1.x and they
A> still do even under 2.01.

I use XP, but did NOT have a problem until making the trip
upstairs to version 2, a technical error on my part.  I am
now avoiding attempting to set it by toggling the name title
bar, I am instead using control/shift/up or down.  I am
alt/X hoping that will set it in.  I am keeping fingers
crossed 

I do not think it is connected with the OS since I have used
TB! with Win98SE, ME and now XP.

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Re: 2.01.00 Release

[Thomas Martin]

Hello Allie,

on Wednesday, 15. October 2003, at 20:28:09 [GMT -0500] you wrote:

TM>> Yes to that i am referring. You have a subkey which expired on
TM>> October,11. Also an other subkey which expires never added to your
TM>> key on October 12. But why my log file, and also in the Keylist,
TM>> shows that your Key is expired in general? Strange

> Hmmm. Would you download my keys from the URL in my signature and
> replace the ones you have with those. I don't understand what's
> happening either.

Done and now shows "good key" - never expires. But you still have a expired
subkey (October 11, 2003) in it.

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Re: Is PGP worthwile? (was: Re: 2.01.00 Release)

[Richard H. Stoddard]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

Allie,

Thursday, October 16, 2003, 6:17:34 AM, you wrote:

AM> John Morse, [JM] wrote:

JM>> PGP is an absolute waste of time (to me)

AM> TB! has always provided good support for PGP in the interest of
AM> secure e-mailing as a primary part of its development path. For
AM> professional and even private e-mailing, I strongly agree with and
AM> endorse this, so discussing this would certainly be on-topic, IMO.

TB!'s support for PGP is in fact one of the reasons I switched to it
(from Eudora).

AM> How do you prove to others that e-mail is in fact from you or that
AM> e-mail you sent hasn't been altered after you signed it?

I currently work overseas (Former Soviet Union),where the hackers and
virus writers are legion (and quite proficient). I started to use PGP
because of several incidents when people received e-mail purportedly
from me. Explaining that I was not in the country, and therefore had
no e-mail access at the time, did no good. I therefore started using
PGP so that people could verify whether I'd in fact sent the message
in question. Not many people used PGP, meaning they could not verify
my signature, but at least it was there.

At the time, I had frequent problems getting valid signatures with
Eudora. As a result, I started looking around and found TB!. While I
switched initially because I wanted (and needed) better PGP support,
I've since found that it's also a much better program overall.

- -- 
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Version: 6.5.8ckt
Comment: KeyID: 0x899FEAAB
Comment: Fingerprint: 0F58 92FF 24DC B847 9A85  6ED4 9EAF FD46 899F EAAB

iQA/AwUBP42x7J6v/UaJn+qrEQJRhQCg8aZoIGhaL9vpSLxa9PwGXwfcGP0AoKfY
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Re : Mark as junk in rules ?

[Cedric Fontaine]

Hello,

A> I suspect that since the Bayesian filter learns, you may not want it
A> learning stuff that you have other means of detecting. All I think you
A> will do is make it try to duplicate the work done elsewhere, and it
A> will be filled with words it does not really need or want to know
A> about.

That's a good reflexion... I'm not good enough with Bayesian filter to
know what's the good solution... But not marking SPAM as Junk will
also fill the filter with bad data ? Am I wrong ?

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Re: Spam About The Bat!?

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello znark,

On Thu, 16 Oct 2003 08:12:12 +1000 GMT (16/10/2003, 05:12 +0700 GMT),
znark wrote:

> Is this a real email from ritlabs?

Yes. You are probably member of their announcements list, and they
have just informed you in Russian language where you can download the
Russian version of v2.01. ;-)

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Re[2]: 2.01.00 Release

[Vishal]

Hi Allie

Wednesday, October 15, 2003, 7:39:35 PM, you wrote:


AM> Vishal, [V] wrote:

V>> I use PGP 7 on my other machines.

AM> Do you have my public key?

AM> I don't see why my signatures shouldn't verify for you. They verify ok
AM> here, i.e., the copies of messages sent back to me from the list server.

Oh what I meant was that I just have PGP 7 on those. I don't actually use TB
there :) Your earlier explanation was fine.


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Re: Version 2.01 - New Logo

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Jurgen,

On Wed, 15 Oct 2003 13:24:21 +0200 GMT (15/10/2003, 18:24 +0700 GMT),
Jurgen Haug wrote:

> Request:
> Is there anyone out there who is still using the 1.6x Christmas
> Edition and can do a screen copy of the bat with the little Santa
> hat ? that would be cool!

If you are a member of the German TB Beginners' List, you will find
the historical splash screens here:
http://de.groups.yahoo.com/group/thebat-dt-beginner/files/Splash-Screens/

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Re[2]: anybody having problems with Web2Pop?

[Vishal]

Hi Edgar

Wednesday, October 15, 2003, 6:08:46 PM, you wrote:

E> I use Yahoopops and it works fine. (But slow)

Yes that's always a problem with these proxies. Same with web2pop. I hope
web2pop starts working again soon.


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Re: Version 2.01 - New Logo

[Paul Wilson]

Wednesday, 10/15/2003, 7:33 PM

Hi Allen,
On Wed, 15 Oct 2003, at 04:01:01 [GMT -0400] (which was 1:01 AM where I live) 
you wrote about: 'Version 2.01 - New Logo'


TM>> Can't confirm that. But i only copied the file "thebat.exe" over the old
TM>> one. You run the setup? Perhaps something wrong with the setup routine.

A> I'm  using same OS as Paul - ran full installer for 2.01 and I am having
A> no troubles at all . . .

I  have tried to reply to this three times now. The program closes on it's own
before I can finish.
I  ran  the installer. Seemed fine, then troubles started. Right now there are
six little bat logos in sys tray only one is flapping wings.
Connection center can't dispatch mail on server.

If this can't be resolved The Bat will be gone. I don't have the time to waste
on buggy stuff.

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Re: Re : Mark as junk in rules ?

[Andy]

> Hello,

A>> will do is make it try to duplicate the work done elsewhere, and
A>> it will be filled with words it does not really need or want to
A>> know about.

> That's a good reflexion... I'm not good enough with Bayesian filter to
> know what's the good solution... But not marking SPAM as Junk will
> also fill the filter with bad data ? Am I wrong ?

My speculation is that it will continue to think of the e-mail as
good. Maybe this is where my grand theory goes to hell in a
hand-basket! Now I don't know what to do, or how to do it!

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Re: 2.01.00 Release

[John Morse]

Hi The_Bat! Users,

Wednesday, October 15, 2003, 8:16:40 PM, you wrote:

>> If you're referring to the signed message you responded to, then no,
>> that isn't right. It was signed using my DH/DSS key id: 0x2B0717E2 .
>> It's set to never expire.

TM> Yes to that i am referring. You have a subkey which expired on October,11.
TM> Also an other subkey which expires never added to your key on October 12.
TM> But why my log file, and also in the Keylist, shows that your Key is expired
TM> in general? Strange

Could you alter the subject so that it describes this conversation
better?
Thanks
(You might PGP or Encryption in the subject line)

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Re: 2.01.00 Release

[John Morse]

Hi The_Bat! Users,

Wednesday, October 15, 2003, 8:45:46 PM, you wrote:

TM> This is the most ignorant post i have read in the last years anywhere.
TM> Sorry... not worth to discuss with you.

Can you explain to me why you need it??
Ooops, maybe this isn't really me, I didn't attach a key signature to
it... woooh, oh, scary isn't it!
Get some help. :)
Sorry if I scared you, but this really is from me, here is my phone
number too If you would like to verify that I sent this message.
573-222-2483

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Message Body Filter

[John Morse]

Hello The_Bat! Users,

 Is there a way to setup a filter that will look for certain words in
 the body of the message but not in the signature, or after the
 signature cutline?
 I want to filter every email that has "PGP" in the body of the message
 and that has The Bat in the Kludges, but I don't want to filter those
 that have PGP in their signature.

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Info on PGP

[Darrin]

Wednesday, October 15, 2003
9:42:06 PM

Hi,
What does PGP actually do? Why should someone have it? I would like to
learn more about. Any good sites that help exlplain it?
Thanks

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RE:Info on PGP

[Jurgen Haug]

Hello Darrin,

Thursday, October 16, 2003, 6:50:40 AM, you wrote:

> What does PGP actually do? Why should someone have it? I would like to
> learn more about. Any good sites that help exlplain it?

http://www.mindspring.com/~aegreene/pgp/

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Re: Using a > in the text and avoiding to show it as a quote

[Edgar]

Hello solidsnake,

On Wednesday, October 15, 2003, 1:59:58 PM, you wrote:

> In the editor preferences, there is a quote lenght limit, which
> determines how many position inside the line the quote mark should
> appear, to mark the line as quoted.

Thanks > thats what I'm looking for :-) (set to 5)

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Cheers,
 Edgar

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[Vishal]

Hi John

Thursday, October 16, 2003, 12:37:44 AM, you wrote:

JM> Sorry if I scared you, but this really is from me, here is my phone
JM> number too If you would like to verify that I sent this message.
JM> 573-222-2483

Ok, I bite the bait and jump in :) The reason digital signatures are so useful
is that they can really authenticate you in a near categorical manner. To fake a
digital signature is very difficult due to the mathematical properties and trust
mechanisms it is based on.

On the other hand, how can I be sure that the person at the phone number you
mentioned is really John Morse? For a reasonably skilled attacker, creating an
email message apparently from John Morse is easy. This spoofed message can be
made to look VERY convincing. Putting a phone number of his choice in the email
is easy too, since he's writing the email in the first place. I call the number
and talk to the attacker. All he has to say is "Yep this is John. Told ya!". How
would I know if I were really talking to you?

If you had signed that message digitally, however, the reader could be very sure
that the sender was indeed John Morse. Work is in place to have digital
signatures granted the same legality as handwritten signatures. It's rather
interesting actually if you'd like to read up on it somewhere.

I don't agree with the person who called you ignorant and refused to explain
further. Many people don't know how PGP really works and what its benefits could
be. To them it just gets in the way. Very understandable. Brushing them off isn't
going to help increase mass acceptance, though. A major stumbling block is that
most people don't know others who're using PGP, so they're hesitant to adopt it.
Once it becomes more widespread, however, people will grow to like the
confidentiality and, as we call it, "non-repudiation" that things like PGP can
provide. Check it out sometime, you might like it too.

Cheers,

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