Re[2]: View modes in 2.04.7: what the H happened?

[jwayne]

On Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 8:00:24 PM, Greg Strong <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

GS> Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 6:19:17 PM, jwayne wrote:

j>> I'm stuck in
j>> my "Subject Received" mode and can't change to any other mode!

GS> In the main window what is selected under View | Global View Mode?

Yep, that was it. The upgrade obviously decided to enable this setting which I
never used before. Thanks...

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MOD: Using Mail Inspector and the like

[Leif Gregory]

Hello all,

We do not have a list rule that addresses the use of mail/spam
blocking software (like Mail Inspector) on the lists, and I don't
believe we're going to create one. This is primarily a hope to inform,
and to have this available in the list archives so that people might
see it and understand.

Software like Mail Inspector holds mail from new people until they
respond to a message it sends (like I quoted below.) If you fail to
respond to its request, you'll pretty much end up in their bozo bin
(depending on the software) from then on out.

My personal opinion on the matter is that this is one of the worst
forms of spam protection out there because it requires anyone who
wants to talk to you to have to satisfy the software that they are not
a spammer. It's one thing when you only communicate with family and
friends, but another altogether when you join lists. I do *not*
respond to these requests when they come over a mailing list, and I do
not believe I am the minority. This means that anyone who chooses as I
do, you (the person using similar spam software mentioned) will never
see any posts or replies from us.

If you have a way of disabling the software on a particular address
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Re: Post 'Tail' is wrong

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Ken,

@25-Feb-2004, 17:05 -0600 (25-Feb 23:05 UK time) ken green [K] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

>> The wrong version number is showing in the tail of messages on TBUDL;
>> it says 2.04.04 rather than 2.04.7
... 
K> Perhaps the list server isn't part of the secret announcement
K> recipient list?

1) It's not.
2) I've been cut off most of today while nursing a new ADSL
   connection into life

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Re: Folder View Modes

[Arjan de Groot]

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 20:14:03 -0600, Greg Strong wrote:

>>>|3  Browse Ticker Messages

>... 

>> 6 Browse Ticker Messages

> 6 = 3

Oh shoot!

(Next step: why does KPF block incoming mail from local
network?)


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View Modes choices Not same

[Greg Strong]

Hello TBUDL,

Should the view modes selected be the same without regard to how you
look at them?

View Modes in Option | Preferences | Messages | VM | select VM | click
"Used by ..." are not the same as when in Main window Folder Properties
| column settings | "Use view mode VMname" or when in Main window and
right mouse click folder | Folder view mode | selected VM.

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Re: Folder View Modes

[Greg Strong]

Hello Arjan,

Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 7:09:42 PM, Arjan de Groot wrote:

... 

>>| 3  Browse Ticker Messages

... 

AdG> 6 Browse Ticker Messages

6 = 3

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Re: IMAP filtering problem

[Allie Martin]

John Rakestraw, [JR] wrote:

JR>  A change of employment and recent developments in TB! have
JR> led me to try out IMAP. I set up a new IMAP account in TB!, and
JR> things are working pretty well, except

JR> The filters are not working as expected. I understand that
JR> automatic filtering of inbox mail doesn't work.

Where string matching and filter order is concerned, I've been having
no problems here when using read filters. I've been using IMAP for
some time now.

JR> I've set up simple filters to move messages -- for example,
JR> messages with the text [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the location "sender"
JR> are moved to a folder named john. Nothing complicated. They're set
JR> up as filters for read mail. So far I've only set up about 10 such
JR> folders/filter combinations.

Ok.

JR> After filtering, most -- but not all -- of the messages in the
JR> john folder indeed have [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the "sender" header.
JR> However, there are several messages from other people in that
JR> folder as well --

Check for an x-sender header for those messages and see.

Usually there's an explanation for this.

JR> One final bit of information -- the order of the filters seems not
JR> to have an effect on the sort. E.g., there are messages from
JR> barbara to eddie and me sorted into the eddie folder even though
JR> the barbara filter is placed above the eddie filter.

Ordering of filters works as expected here.

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Re: Folder View Modes

[Arjan de Groot]

On Mon, 23 Feb 2004 09:59:33 -0600, Greg Strong wrote:

>| I am no expert on View Modes (VM), but I'll give it a shot.
>| As I understand it you have 3 places where you can apply VM.

>| 1  Main Window

>| 2  View Folder FolderName of AcctName

>| 3  Browse Ticker Messages

> I actually found out 2 more areas for view modes

> 4  Message Finder

> 5  Browse Deleted Messages

6 Browse Ticker Messages

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Re: View modes in 2.04.7: what the H happened?

[Greg Strong]

Hello jwayne,

Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 6:19:17 PM, jwayne wrote:

j> I'm stuck in
j> my "Subject Received" mode and can't change to any other mode!

In the main window what is selected under View | Global View Mode?

If it is something other than "No View Mode", then you have a global
view selected across all folders. Change it to "No View Mode" and
individual folders will have independent VM settings.

Select individual folder VMs by the following:

1  right mouse click one of the column headers in the message list pane
   | select which VM you want in the 2nd grouping.

2  right mouse click the folder | folder view mode | select VM you want
   in 2nd grouping

3  right mouse click the folder | properties | column settings | select
   "Use view mode VMname"

I haven't check it out yet but you can set up individual settings for
a folder without having a VM name which will save the settings for that
folder.

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Re: TB 2.04.4 announcement: out-of-date, bad HTML(-only)

[ken green]

dAniel hAhler wrote:
> received the announcement from [EMAIL PROTECTED] that TB 2.04.4 is
> there. huh?

Interesting...

RitLab's announcement scored a 6.5 with SpamAssassin:

Spam detection software, running on the system "", has identified this
incoming email as possible spam.  The original message has been
attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or block
similar future email.  If you have any questions, see the
administrator of that system for details.

Content preview:  ! Microsoft Exchange(R) server connectivity (requires
  MS Exchange client to be installed for providing MAPI transport) +
  CompuServe(R) RPA authentication mechanism + The "Allow search for
  unread messages across accounts" option in the Options|Preferences
  dialogue at the Messages page [...] 

Content analysis details:   (6.5 points, 6.0 required)

 pts rule name  description
 -- --
 0.3 NO_REAL_NAME   From: does not include a real name
 0.2 HTML_50_60 BODY: Message is 50% to 60% HTML
 0.1 MIME_HTML_ONLY BODY: Message only has text/html MIME parts
 0.0 HTML_MESSAGE   BODY: HTML included in message
 0.1 HTML_FONT_BIG  BODY: HTML has a big font
 2.2 RCVD_IN_BL_SPAMCOP_NET RBL: Received via a relay in bl.spamcop.net
   [Blocked - see ]
 1.9 MIME_HEADER_CTYPE_ONLY 'Content-Type' found without required MIME headers
 1.7 HTML_MIME_NO_HTML_TAG  HTML-only message, but there is no HTML tag

The original message was not completely plain text, and may be unsafe to
open with some email clients; in particular, it may contain a virus,
or confirm that your address can receive spam.  If you wish to view
it, it may be safer to save it to a file and open it with an editor.

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Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[Andre Wichartz]

Hello rich,

rg> What do ALT-0 & ALT-1 do?

It toggles between non-threaded view and thread by references.

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Re: Could not store message

[Andre Wichartz]

Hello Thomas,

On 25 Feb 2004 at 23:41:17 +0700 GMT [17:41 CET] you wrote:

TF> TB prouds itself for RFC-compliance. I have never received a mail
TF> without a From header, so I cannot confirm this is the culprit.

I get quite a few spams with nothing of pretty much everything. Take
this one as an example:

,- [  ]
| X-Auth-No: 
| Return-Path: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
| Received: from DAL not authenticated [81.84.188.19]
| by smtp-send.myrealbox.com with NetMail SMTP Agent $Revision:   3.56  $ on 
Novell NetWare;
| Wed, 25 Feb 2004 15:57:38 -0700
| Received: from 80.183.105.208 by 81.84.188.19; Fri, 27 Feb 2004 05:03:15 +0600
| Message-ID: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html

Re: Configure X-Header field

[Greg Strong]

Hello Carsten,

Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 6:09:45 PM, Carsten Guthardt-Schulz wrote:

CGS> What exactly is this TLS?

Transport Layer Security

Google is your friend! See http://www.faqs.org/rfcs/rfc2246.html.

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How's THIS for an error message?!!

[jwayne]

Options, Preferences, Protection, Anti-spam. Add. Select the Bayesit plug-in. I
then get an Error window saying "It seems that something is present in your
registry, but it is not enough or corrupted!"

Huh?? This has to be in the running for the worst error message award...

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View modes in 2.04.7: what the H happened?

[jwayne]

I just "upgraded" to 2.04.7 from CE. My view modes no longer work. I'm stuck in
my "Subject Received" mode and can't change to any other mode! Not from the
menu, not with the Shift-Alt hot keys, and regardless of folder.

Anybody know what gives?

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TB 2.04.4 announcement: out-of-date, bad HTML(-only)

[dAniel hAhler]

Hello TBUDL,

received the announcement from [EMAIL PROTECTED] that TB 2.04.4 is
there. huh?

It's bad in three ways:
 - the recent build is 2.04.7 (or later)
 - it's HTML-only
 - it's bad HTML (that Firefox displays "correct", though)

To the last point:
the mail's "title" is put using a weird collection of  tags into
the table's last , but outside any  tag. Because this is not
w3c-conform thebat displays the mail a bit strange (but from html
source point "correct") while Firebird puts the content of the 
tags at top and renders it as it ought to look.

->8

- 
Various fixes and improvements to IMAP, HTML editor and other 
areas

What's new for The Bat!v2.04.4: 

 

->8

see http://thequod.de/hmm/tbann-html-render.png (140kb).

This is no happy thing regarding marketing issues. It simply looks
unprofessional, IMHO.

Though I'm glad that the announcement list for itself still exists and
the mail was english this time.. ;)

0.02¤..


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Re: Configure X-Header field

[Carsten Guthardt-Schulz]

T> Have you tried using TLS? Some ISPs only block port 25 but don't block
T> TLS on port 465.

What exactly is this TLS? Never heard of it. 

Is the practise of blocking other SMTP servers common among North American ISPs? 
What's the sense of it? Sympatico says it's "to protect their customers", which sound 
like BS to me. I guess they kind of want to force me to use their email address which 
binds me closer to the provider. But it doesn't work for all those hotmail/outlook 
users anyway.


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Re: Configure X-Header field

[Carsten Guthardt-Schulz]

RO> You've got to prepare that for TB:
RO>   Options -> Preferences -> Messages -> Message header -> Edit items -> Add
RO> Now enter 'X-Sender' both at display and as RFC header and check
RO> 'this field is an address field'

Thanks a lot, works very well!


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Message Finder: searching for '([^/]++.|)' and simple '++' fails without using regexp

[dAniel hAhler]

Hello TBUDL,

I want to search with the Message Finder for mails containing
"([^/]++.|)" (without ") in the body, but this is not possible without
using regular expressions and escaping nearly every character.
I then get 38 results, which appears to be right.

With plain "([^/]++.|)" I get 1858 results (the same as with
"([^/]++.\|)") [both without "].

Enclosing the searchstring in "'" ('([^/]++.|)') gives 13 results,
where only the last one had the searchstring in there, the other had
even no '++'.

Enclosing in '"' ("([^/]++.|)") gives 322 results.

Escaping the IMHO only special char '|' with itself (tried with '\'
before) gives 0 results.

Though the help says nothing about escaping '|', '&' and '~' in the
"search for" field there should be something for this.

Glad that RegExp works, but there really has to be a simplier way
for this as most users don't care about regular expressions and won't
be able to search for special characters.

..just tried a search for '++' (without ') and 471 messages showed up,
where the majority had no '++' in them.

All was searching in body only, with no advanced settings ('Search for
whole words only' did not help either).

Bugs? Misunderstanding?


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Re: SEARCH, the ultimate question- WAS:Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[Paul Cartwright]

 

On Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 5:44 PM, you wrote:

M> Hello Paul,

>> Subject: SEARCH, the ultimate question- WAS:Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

M> Thanks for changing the subject :-)

I remember a potato subject, not too long ago, that went totally off the
deep end;) I like it when subjects make sense, especially when I am busy
and DELETE threads I'm not interested in. Too many times I remember that
I responded to a thread, then started hitting CTRL-SHFT-DEL and OOPS,
there goes my replies ( if there were any:)
I got real tired of that recent thread, where all the messages concerned
Xandros. This was in TBOT, not here, but the point is, all the messages
dealt with Xandros, and had nothing to do with the subject.
I really like that idea of starting subjects with a 2-letter shortcut to
what the topic is...

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Re: Post 'Tail' is wrong

[ken green]

[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> The wrong version number is showing in the tail of messages on TBUDL;
> it says 2.04.04 rather than 2.04.7


Yeah, it sure is funny to see signatures that have:

Running The Bat! v2.04.7 on Windows XP 5.1, Build 2600

Then immediately beneath that:

Current version is 2.04.04 | 'Using TBUDL' information:


Perhaps the list server isn't part of the secret announcement
recipient list?

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Re: SEARCH, the ultimate question- WAS:Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[Paul Cartwright]

 

On Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 5:37 PM, you wrote:

R> I ran some tests here & I came up with this:
R> * searching for 'chicken&soup' will search for messages that will have
R>   both 'chicken' and 'soup' in it
R> * searching for 'chicken & soup' will search for messages that will
R>   have both 'chicken ' and ' soup' in it

R> Notice the extra space behind chicken and in front of soup in the
R> second search pattern! 

that makes perfect sense, and I'm glad someone figured it out!
I would vote for just using chicken&soup as it probably will get the
most hits. If you started a sentence with Soup, it won't have a leading
space, and that search "chicken & soup" won't find it.

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Re: SEARCH, the ultimate question- WAS:Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[MAU]

Hello Paul,

> Subject: SEARCH, the ultimate question- WAS:Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

Thanks for changing the subject :-)

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crashing immediately after opening

[Dave Gorman]

I had been using 2.04.7 without any major problems until today.

I installed a trial copy of Netlimiter (http://www.netlimiter.com/).
Suddenly TB would crash immediately after opening. So I uninstalled
Netlimiter. Still crashing.

I did a system restore back to yesterday evening when everything was
fine. TB still crashing.

I restored my TB program directory and registry key from yesterday's
backup (using Allie's backup batch file). Still crashing.

I uninstalled TB completely, leaving the mail directory. I reinstalled
2.04.7. I started adding back in my accounts one by one. It worked fine
for my 3 POP accounts. As soon as I added my first IMAP account, it
crashed again.

I'm at my wits end and don't know what else to try. Any ideas? (I really
thought I was through with Becky!...)

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Re: SEARCH, the ultimate question- WAS:Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[Roel]

Hi Paul

On 25 Feb 2004 16:17:06  (my local time 22:17:06), Paul Cartwright
wrote:

PC> 18 messages using chicken&soup
PC> 17 using chicken & soup.

PC> here is the extra message using chicken&soup,verbatim, I have no idea
PC> what the difference is. The other 17 emails were the same for both
PC> searches:

I ran some tests here & I came up with this:
* searching for 'chicken&soup' will search for messages that will have
  both 'chicken' and 'soup' in it
* searching for 'chicken & soup' will search for messages that will
  have both 'chicken ' and ' soup' in it

Notice the extra space behind chicken and in front of soup in the
second search pattern! 

This behaviour may be very confusing if you don't know about it, and
even if you do know you'll still have to keep it in mind.
It certainly can make the syntax for a search look quite illogical
when you're used to google's syntax.

Maybe it's time for a
"google-like search syntax option"-feature-request?

Imho that would make searching more logical for a lot of users...
(but then again, I don't search that often in TB)

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Re: SEARCH, the ultimate question- WAS:Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[Paul Cartwright]

 

On Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 5:29 PM, you wrote:
rg> Right, but there's still the fact that we cannot assign search term W
rg> to being ONLY in the field X AND search term Y restricted to the field
rg> Z.

you are correct, I never really thought about that.  The "advanced"
search mode, is a little less than advanced, I'll agree.

rg> I've tried to get this defined before and was told to "go use Eudora"
rg> or something like that, but less politely!

not very nice, especially for this list!

rg> And by the way, Janis is my sister, neither of us dance, and thank you
rg> for the recipe!

I think I left the subscribe info in that email. I am diabetic, I do
subscribe to a number of recipe lists, and I've used the Mealmaster
recipe program for a NUMBER of years. I probably have well over 100,000
recipes in my databases. And a few more in email format from other
lists. And I do usually search on just "chicken", even for recipes:)
I can cull the SOUP recipes out of the hits. And my wife and I ( 32
years) took ballroom dancing many years ago. we need to brush up on the
waltz soon, as our son is getting married in May!


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Re: SEARCH, the ultimate question- WAS:Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[rich gregory]

rg Seriously, 2 words does not a complex search make. If I need to
rg *RELIABLY* find the email where I invited JANIS to the DANCE (only
rg want emails where BOTH those words exist):
PC>>> personally, I'd probably do the search differently. Either just on
PC>>> JANIS, or use the FROM:, put my name in, then use JANIS as the search.
rg>> I don't think you *can* put your name in the FROM and JANIS as the
rg>> search term. Can you?
PC> yes, but that means you have to check the boxes for:
PC> body and sender or recipient.

Right, but there's still the fact that we cannot assign search term W
to being ONLY in the field X AND search term Y restricted to the field
Z.

I've tried to get this defined before and was told to "go use Eudora"
or something like that, but less politely!

And by the way, Janis is my sister, neither of us dance, and thank you
for the recipe!

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Re: SEARCH, the ultimate question- WAS:Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[Rick Rauterkus]

>> This is the root question then!  What is the difference between the 2
>> versions (with vs w/o spaces around the &) of the search syntax?
> ok, I did a test again for you, same results ( wow!)
> 18 messages using chicken&soup
> 17 using chicken & soup.

I just did some quick experimenting with this and it seems to me that
the spaces are signicificant, so on the second search you are looking
for "chicken " and " soup".  If you search for soup & chicken, you
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Re: SEARCH, the ultimate question-

[dAniel hAhler]

Hello Paul,

on Wed, 25. Feb 2004 at 16:17:06 -0500 you wrote:

> 18 messages using chicken&soup
> 17 using chicken & soup.
[snip]
> CORRECTION: The 12/19/03 dispatch featuring "Chicken-Vegetable
 ^^^
I guess that the other 17 hits have "chicken" with a whitespace after
it..

> I would hope a search could be narrowed down a little more than that, by
> date range ( you know when the dance was..) or subject ( you asked her
> to the dance?)

Yeah, perhaps also some kind of refining within the search results?!
Highlighting inside the search results (googlebar-like) would be even
more helpful.
(see
http://www.ritlabs.com/bt/bug_view_advanced_page.php?bug_id=0002439)


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IMAP filtering problem

[John Rakestraw]

Hi,

  I've been using TB! for a couple of years now, using POP. I have a
  pretty extensive collection of filter/folder combinations set up in
  my POP accounts. A change of employment and recent developments in
  TB! have led me to try out IMAP. I set up a new IMAP account in TB!,
  and things are working pretty well, except

  The filters are not working as expected. I understand that automatic
  filtering of inbox mail doesn't work.

  I've set up simple filters to move messages -- for example, messages
  with the text [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the location "sender" are moved to
  a folder named john. Nothing complicated. They're set up as filters
  for read mail. So far I've only set up about 10 such folders/filter
  combinations.

  After filtering, most -- but not all -- of the messages in the john
  folder indeed have [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the "sender" header. However,
  there are several messages from other people in that folder as well
  -- I've not looked systematically through all 10 folders, but it
  appears that all of the messages mis-sorted have "[EMAIL PROTECTED]"
  in one of the *recipient* fields. (Several of these people are
  colleagues, and we often use the cc and To fields to send group
  messages.)

  I have filter/folder combinations for a few other people who aren't
  included on any of these messages with multiple recipient addressees
  -- these messages are filtered appropriately. It seems to be a
  problem only when a message has more than one address in the
  recipient headers and at least one of those addresses is one I've
  set up to filter when it's in the "sender" header. I've
  double-checked all the filters, and in each case I've correctly
  selected the "from" field for the text location.

  One final bit of information -- the order of the filters seems not
  to have an effect on the sort. E.g., there are messages from barbara
  to eddie and me sorted into the eddie folder even though the
  barbara filter is placed above the eddie filter.

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SEARCH, the ultimate question- WAS:Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[Paul Cartwright]

 

On Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 3:50 PM, you wrote:

rg> At this point I need to make sure that you (and everyone else) know
rg> that I am NOT "attacking" in seeking the answers to this question.
rg> Though my fictitious example may be lame, the question (I think)
rg> deserves a definitive answer (not necessarily by you, of course). I
rg> only seek the truth!

oh, I understand completely, and I'm not taking it personally:)
I was kinda hoping someone IN THE KNOW might have chimed in by now..
You've been asking all the right questions, and, from what I can tell,
being totally ignored. Maybe we need to change the subject...

rg>>> Seriously, 2 words does not a complex search make. If I need to
rg>>> *RELIABLY* find the email where I invited JANIS to the DANCE (only
rg>>> want emails where BOTH those words exist):
PC>> personally, I'd probably do the search differently. Either just on
PC>> JANIS, or use the FROM:, put my name in, then use JANIS as the search.

rg> I don't think you *can* put your name in the FROM and JANIS as the
rg> search term. Can you?

yes, but that means you have to check the boxes for:
body and sender or recipient.

rg> In my example, assume I've sent Janis many hundreds of emails, the
rg> dance was probably over a year ago, and I invited hundreds of folks to this
rg> dance.

are you married?? is this JANIS a close friend???
( ok, just making a joke!!)

rg> The only sane and reliable way to quickly find that one message I seek
rg> is to do an AND search. I am (as I am SURE others are) seeking the
rg> answer to why one search works one way and another the other way.

well, there is always another way to skin a cat, so I can't say if the
ONLY sane way is to do an AND search.

rg>>> 1) how should I enter the search strings? Is example 1 or 2 above
rg>>> correct? They report different matches!
PC>> my test showed 17 return emails on one method, 18 on the other, so they
PC>> were probably the same for 90+% of the search.

rg> This is the root question then!  What is the difference between the 2
rg> versions (with vs w/o spaces around the &) of the search syntax?
ok, I did a test again for you, same results ( wow!)
18 messages using chicken&soup
17 using chicken & soup.

here is the extra message using chicken&soup,verbatim, I have no idea
what the difference is. The other 17 emails were the same for both
searches:

DAILY DIABETIC RECIPE -- December 22, 2003 - DailyDiabeticRecipe.com
=
From The Diabetic Gourmet Magazine -- http://DiabeticGourmet.com

 Please Visit This Week's Sponsor Below 

ADORN : HIGH STYLE, LOW PROFILE HANDBAGS FOR DIABETICS

Check out the new designer handbags made specifically for
diabetics.  A stylish purse on one side, with a special removable
compartment for all of your diabetes supplies on the other side.
Portion of proceeds donated to Juvenile Diabetes Research Foundation.
30-Day Money Back Guarantee. See all the great features of this
beautiful bag by visiting aDorn at http://www.adorndesigns.com
or call our friendly staff at 415.933.8708 for more information.

- End of Sponsor Message ---

CORRECTION: The 12/19/03 dispatch featuring "Chicken-Vegetable
Soup with Orzo" was missing an ingredient. "1/2 cup frozen peas"
should have appeared between the orzo and escarole in the
ingredient list. We apologize for any inconvenience. Happy holidays!

MEXI-BEANS AND GREENS

Yield: 8 servings
Source: "1,001 Recipes For People with Diabetes" by Surrey Books
Book info: http://tgcmagazine.com/bin/track/click.cgi?id=24

INGREDIENTS

-  2 cups dry pinto beans
-  1 medium onion, coarsely chopped
-  1 medium poblano chili, chopped
-  1 medium red bell pepper, chopped
-  4 cloves garlic, minced
-  1 tablespoon finely chopped gingerroot
-  2 serrano chilies, finely chopped
-  2 tablespoons olive oil
-  2-3 teaspoons chili powder
-  2 teaspoons dried oregano leaves
-  1 teaspoon ground cumin
-  1/2 teaspoon cayenne pepper
-  3 cups water
-  1 can (15-ounces) diced tomatoes, undrained
-  2 cups coarsely chopped turnip, or mustard, greens
-  Salt to taste
-  Cilantro, finely chopped, as garnish

DIRECTIONS

Sort and rinse beans, discarding any stones. Cover beans
with 2 inches water in large saucepan; heat to boiling and
boil, uncovered, 2 minutes. Remove from heat and let stand,
covered, 1 hour; drain.

Saute onion, poblano chili, bell pepper, garlic, gingerroot,
and serrano chilies in oil in large saucepan until tender,
8 to 10 minutes. Stir in chili powder, herbs, and cayenne
pepper; cook 1 to 2 minutes longer.

Nutritional Information Per Serving (1/8 of recipe):
Calories: 228, Fat: 4.4 g, Cholesterol: 0 mg,
Sodium: 233 mg, Protein: 11.7 g, Carbohydrate: 37.9 g
Diabetic Exchanges: 2 Bread/Starch, 1 Fat, 2 Vegetable

Want more recipes?
Visit our archive at http://diabeticgourmet.com/recipes

 Sponsorship / Please Visit Our Sponsor --

DIABETICS REVOLT!  NO MORE SACRIFICING FASHION F

Re[2]: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[rich gregory]

At this point I need to make sure that you (and everyone else) know
that I am NOT "attacking" in seeking the answers to this question.
Though my fictitious example may be lame, the question (I think)
deserves a definitive answer (not necessarily by you, of course). I
only seek the truth!

rg>> Seriously, 2 words does not a complex search make. If I need to
rg>> *RELIABLY* find the email where I invited JANIS to the DANCE (only
rg>> want emails where BOTH those words exist):
PC> personally, I'd probably do the search differently. Either just on
PC> JANIS, or use the FROM:, put my name in, then use JANIS as the search.

I don't think you *can* put your name in the FROM and JANIS as the
search term. Can you?

In my example, assume I've sent Janis many hundreds of emails, the
dance was probably over a year ago, and I invited hundreds of folks to this
dance.

The only sane and reliable way to quickly find that one message I seek
is to do an AND search. I am (as I am SURE others are) seeking the
answer to why one search works one way and another the other way.


rg>> 1) how should I enter the search strings? Is example 1 or 2 above
rg>> correct? They report different matches!
PC> my test showed 17 return emails on one method, 18 on the other, so they
PC> were probably the same for 90+% of the search.

This is the root question then!  What is the difference between the 2
versions (with vs w/o spaces around the &) of the search syntax?

With hundreds (or more) of hits 90% isn't good enough.

rg>> 2) Is it different from version to version?
PC> I can't answer that, did you check the beta archives for SEARCH?

I think it may be.

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Re[2]: TLS (was: Configure X-Header field)

[Terry]

Hi Dave,

<...snipped...>

DG>>> Would what you are suggesting be a possible workaround for me?

AM>> This is one workaround, yes.

> I was just wondering if TLS would be a way I could use MDaemon to
> deliver directly instead of using the smarthost setting to
> deliver through my ISP. Usually my ISP does OK, but sometimes
> there are delays in delivery that I would rather avoid if
> possible.

I have several servers that have their own IPs and domains that are
co-located. From home, I use TLS to connect to them so I can send mail
with the e-mail addresses I want to use. I use TLS since my ISP has
blocked connections to any IP on port 25, except of course, to their
servers using my ISP address.

I've never used Mdaemon, so I can't help you there.

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Re: TLS (was: Configure X-Header field)

[Dave Gorman]

Hello Allie,

Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 1:50:10 PM, you wrote:

> With direct delivery, MDaemon would have to interact with a lot of
> different servers, some of which support TLS and others that don't.

Makes sense.

> MDaemon seems to use StartTLS for deliveries if the receiving server
> supports it.

> For example, I setup a smarthost for mail deliveries and entered the
> name and password. When I check the logs, I see that mail is delivered
> to the smarthost using StartTLS even thought I didn't specifically
> configure MDaemon to use it.

I'll have to check my logs when I get home. Perhaps mine is doing
that as well.

> If you can reliably do direct deliveries then go ahead.

I seem to remember MDaemon's smarthost settings having an option
to use smarthost if direct delivery was not possible. I may do
some experimenting when I have the time.

Thanks for your input, Allie!


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Re[2]: TLS (was: Configure X-Header field)

[Allie Martin]

Dave Gorman, [DG] wrote:

DG> I was just wondering if TLS would be a way I could use MDaemon to
DG> deliver directly instead of using the smarthost setting to deliver
DG> through my ISP.

With direct delivery, MDaemon would have to interact with a lot of
different servers, some of which support TLS and others that don't.

DG> Usually my ISP does OK, but sometimes there are delays in delivery
DG> that I would rather avoid if possible.

MDaemon seems to use StartTLS for deliveries if the receiving server
supports it.

For example, I setup a smarthost for mail deliveries and entered the
name and password. When I check the logs, I see that mail is delivered
to the smarthost using StartTLS even thought I didn't specifically
configure MDaemon to use it.

If you can reliably do direct deliveries then go ahead.

I've converted to using a SmartHost exclusively since I've had problem
deliveries that didn't even result in a bounce or failed delivery. The
message sent simply disappeared and the recipient didn't get it.
Usually, this occurs when an anti-spam utility between you and the
recipient catches your mail before it reaches the recipient. Your mail
is subsequently deleted or placed in a spam bucket never to be seen by
who it was intended for.

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Re: BayesIT in 2.04.7 and 2.04.04

[Doug Weller]

Hi Doug,


Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 7:00:37 PM, you wrote:


>   I have been plodding on telling BayesIT what is Junk and what is not,
>   about half and half, but BayesIT refuses to do anything on its own. I
>   understand that this started with 2.04.04.  I am about to upgrade to
>   2.04.07 but from what I've read that only fixes a search problem.

>   Can anyone shed light on this?

Ah, I found out. You post to the list.  Since I posted it has picked up
3 spam emails.  But it's missed 5.

Doug

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Re: TLS (was: Configure X-Header field)

[Dave Gorman]

Hello Allie,

Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 1:29:30 PM, you wrote:

DG>> Can you elaborate? I'm running my own mail server, but need to
DG>> have it send through my ISP's SMTP server rather than directly.

> Which mail server are you running?

MDaemon

> Usually, you can configure the server to send mail via a smarthost.

That is what I am doing presently.

DG>> Would what you are suggesting be a possible workaround for me?

> This is one workaround, yes.

I was just wondering if TLS would be a way I could use MDaemon to
deliver directly instead of using the smarthost setting to
deliver through my ISP. Usually my ISP does OK, but sometimes
there are delays in delivery that I would rather avoid if
possible.



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Re[2]: TLS (was: Configure X-Header field)

[Allie Martin]

Dave Gorman, [DG] wrote:

DG> Can you elaborate? I'm running my own mail server, but need to
DG> have it send through my ISP's SMTP server rather than directly.

Which mail server are you running?

Usually, you can configure the server to send mail via a smarthost. It
may involve using a particular module as with Mercury, or it may
involve a simple adjustment of the delivery options as with MDaemon.

DG> Would what you are suggesting be a possible workaround for me?

This is one workaround, yes.

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Re: Off Topic, but I've no where else to post it.

[tb]

--> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> Stuart-

> Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 1:11:16 AM, you wrote:

SH>> I know how to get hold of support; I wanted RitLabs to know that
SH>> their website had a duff address on it.

> ...so why not just email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and let them know?

That has stopped working since the 2.0 release and site re-design.

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Re: Are releases secret ?

[tb]

--> [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

t>> 2) TB releases are less worthy of upgrading to than other software updates.

> Why would you think that?

The posts since my last message show a small part of the reason.

P.S. You're not dirty pixels bill are you? :-0

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Re: Off Topic, but I've no where else to post it.

[Mark Wieder]

Stuart-

Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 1:11:16 AM, you wrote:

SH> I know how to get hold of support; I wanted RitLabs to know that
SH> their website had a duff address on it.

...so why not just email [EMAIL PROTECTED] and let them know?

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Re: TLS (was: Configure X-Header field)

[Dave Gorman]

Hello Terry,

Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 9:57:03 AM, you wrote:

> Have you tried using TLS? Some ISPs only block port 25 but
> don't block TLS on port 465.

Can you elaborate? I'm running my own mail server, but need to
have it send through my ISP's SMTP server rather than directly.
Would what you are suggesting be a possible workaround for me?

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BayesIT in 2.04.7 and 2.04.04

[Doug Weller]

Hello,

  I have been plodding on telling BayesIT what is Junk and what is not,
  about half and half, but BayesIT refuses to do anything on its own. I
  understand that this started with 2.04.04.  I am about to upgrade to
  2.04.07 but from what I've read that only fixes a search problem.

  Can anyone shed light on this?

  Thanks.

  Doug

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Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?

[William Moore]

Hello tbudl

Thank you for your email dated Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 5:31:08 PM,
in which you wrote:

M> In software development it is normal
M> that in some special circumstances the software may fail.

Ain't that the truth. And with some software the circumstances don't
have to all that special either.

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Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[Paul Cartwright]

 

On Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 10:56 AM, you wrote:


rg> HEY! That's GREAT! You've volunteered to write informix queries for my
rg> email searches then!!

been 10 years since I've written any Informix reports, I like to keep
things simple these days, although using TB is making my life complex
again:)

rg> Seriously, 2 words does not a complex search make. If I need to
rg> *RELIABLY* find the email where I invited JANIS to the DANCE (only
rg> want emails where BOTH those words exist):

personally, I'd probably do the search differently. Either just on
JANIS, or use the FROM:, put my name in, then use JANIS as the search.

rg> 1) how should I enter the search strings? Is example 1 or 2 above
rg> correct? They report different matches!

my test showed 17 return emails on one method, 18 on the other, so they
were probably the same for 90+% of the search.

rg> 2) Is it different from version to version?

I can't answer that, did you check the beta archives for SEARCH?

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Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?

[Martin Schneider]

Hello ken,

on Tuesday, February 24, 2004, 1:26:48 AM, ken green wrote:

> Come on, this isn't about my needs changing beyond what The Bat has to
> offer.  This is about The Bat promising on functionality and hitting
> 90% - and I'm complaining about that 10%

Yes, and that is good. If noone would complain Stefan would say
everyone is happy and wouldn't continue developing "The Bat" - and
what else he could do in his time! ;)

> Note that I don't ignore that 90% either. I have repeatedly stated
> that I like TB. But it doesn't stop me from wanting it to be better.
> What's wrong with asking for 95% or 97%?

Nothing. The opposite is the case: we must ask for 110%. So that means
additional features. But the first 100% should have as less errors as
possible.

> But consider your experiences with IMAP.  Then go to RitLabs site:
> "Fully functional IMAP4rev1 support for on-line, off-line and combined
> use"
> That's not about addressing Allie's IMAP problems.  IMAP is *NOT*
> fully functional.  And it's supposed to be.

Well, that may be. However which software "fully" implements the IMAP
standard? In one of the last "c't" (a german computer magazine) tests
about mail clients only a few had an IMAP support. And from these few
I think only the Mozilla suite (or Thunderbird) got best grades. All
others were lacking some IMAP features.

> If IMAP isn't fully imlemented, then the product should state this.
> It's a principle called truth in advertising.

You are right. But in the today world noone wants to hear the truth in
advertisemnts else the people wouldn't buy it. It is sad but true.
Anyway the IMAP support of The Bat is more less okay. At least you can
use it (which not always was the case). However every improvement that
is done there really would help to increase the 90%.

> Viva The Bat!

Si! :)

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Re: error box on start up

[Gerda]

Hello John Galvin,

Wednesday 25 February 2004, 17:46:31, you wrote:


JG> I am getting an error when starting up TB. The following screenshot
JG> shows you what I am getting.
JG> http://www.totalpc.org/thebat.jpg

JG> When I click the OK button, the error disappears and TB loads
JG> normally.
JG> I downgraded to 1.62, and the error disappears. Reinstall 2.04.7 and
JG> the error reappears.

That sounds familiar.
Do you have you Bayeslt installed? Its looking like the antispam plugin is
missing something. Problem was solved when I did a re-install of the plugin.


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Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?

[Martin Schneider]

Hello ken,

on Monday, February 23, 2004, 10:23:53 PM, ken green wrote:

> I am in no way saying that The Bat is all bad or that Stefan or
> RitLabs are terrible or anything like that.  In fact, I continue to
> complain about TB's performance because I do plan on using TheBat well
> into the future.  If I didn't, I wouldn't bother.

Yes, you are right doing that. But I think anyway what you see are
some users who report problems. In software development it is normal
that in some special circumstances the software may fail. For the
person where it happens this is a pity and it MUST be fixed but this
is not easily to find out by beta testers or the porgrammer before the
error occurs.

Look, one of a described problem was that the progress circle of
connection center was displayed in another color than the rest of the
box. In my eyes this is a pity because it doesn't look as nice as it
should. But it has no influence in receiving mails and stuff like
that. So you can work well with the program if it has this bug inside
or not. And beta-team plus Stefan tried to find out why this display
problem appeared for some few users until they found out that
WindowsBlinds (a windows desktop enhancer utility was the reason for
that). So in my eyes there you can't blame Stefan if something like
that happened. Anyway he tried to fix it. If it still appears, no idea
as I don't have Windows Blinds installed.

> Go check the PocoMail forum. I tried it out, complained a bit about
> things I felt were important, then let it go and will likely not look
> back for some time.  I honestly felt like Poco was too far removed
> from what I wanted (features and stability) to wait around.

Yes, of course. Stability and needed features is the most important
thing. I also checked some years ago (before using The Bat) several
other e-mail clients. And it really is a shame how some clients are
done (by stability, functionality and usability). Only "The Bat"
offered enough for me to say, yes, this will be my email client for
the future. And when you can say this then it's time to go to the
"registration page" for ordering your key. And believe me I never
regreted this until now as Ritlabs really try to fix the problems
which occur.

> I think TB is really close.  Probably as close to perfect (for me)
> that a software app could be.

Very good. So don't panic if you see a error posting. Be more in
sorrow in case a error posting wouldn't be answered or read by the
developers. But they do so and if it really is an urgent matter they
will fix it quite fast (as in this case done by version 2.04.7).

> I stick with TheBat because I *WANT* it work.  Really bad... :)

That is your right and I also want it work. If the Bat wouldn't work I
even couldn't complain with Stefan by mail... ;)

> I don't doubt that this release in better than its predecessor. IT
> SHOULD BE!!! Why is that thrown out so often when people complain
> about the latest version? Look through the archives You will read
> some variation of that response over and over again following critical
> posts.

Well, there I must say that the problem only was caused when upgrading
from some special preversions. As I used mostly all betas except the
very last RC and the very first test release for me it didn't occur.
It mostly happened for people with a old installation which the beta
testers normally never have.

Maybe this could be a job for Ritlabs to have some installations of
old "The Bat" versions to see if the upgrade is working fine. But I
only would test the Release versions - not the Beta ones as they are
not for all the people.

> I think it's fair to hold RitLabs and The Bat to high standards. It's
> a great product. But it should work as advertised. And as long as new
> versions are getting released, I expect TB to continue getting
> greater.

Well, yes I also hope so. Many things could be improved (Feature
Requests). You may have seen my mails
 and
. But that are requests which
I could imagine as very good for the Bat. I think no other mail client
offers these features.

So if you ask me I am very happy about "The Bat" and as you said - let
we get it greater! :)


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Re: Configure X-Header field

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Carsten,

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 08:28:06 -0500GMT (25-2-04, 14:28 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

CGS> I can get arround this by putting my address at Bell into
CGS> the X-Sender field manually. What I'd like to know is how I can
CGS> have it put there automatically. I tried %SETHEADER("X-Sender",
CGS> "[EMAIL PROTECTED]") but when typin a message I still see nothing in the
CGS> X-Sender field. Please help

TB makes you think it supports an X-Sender header, but it doesn't do
that per default.
You've got to prepare that for TB:
  Options -> Preferences -> Messages -> Message header -> Edit items -> Add
Now enter 'X-Sender' both at display and as RFC header and check
'this field is an address field'

Now the %SetHeader macro performs as expected.

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Re: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[Urban]

Tuesday, February 24, 2004, Stefan Tanurkov wrote:

> the new build 2.04.7

Oh no, not another build...

You are far too supportive for us poor modem users. Why don't you just
start saying that every new release contains "surprise new features"
like some other software companies I have heard of.
:-)

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Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?

[Urban]

Tuesday, February 24, 2004, Doug Weller wrote:

> I can't get it to kick in.

Do you get any error message, such as the /very/ helpful "It seems like
something is present in your registry, but it's not enough or corrupted"
that it gives me at startup.
Not a big problem to me, but it would be nice if it at least indicated
what key it was that it's got problems with.

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Re: Could not store message

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Thomas,

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 23:41:17 +0700GMT (25-2-04, 17:41 +0100, where I
live), you wrote:

TF> That's a new one. I believe From is mandatory (I am reporting from
TF> memory, didn't check RFC2822), but subject is optional. A recipient of
TF> some kind must be present, otherwise you wouldn't have received the
TF> mail.

From is mandatory and so is Date, the rest is optional (for the
client). When the Message-ID is lacking the routing smtp server should
insert that.
The rest is optional.

Recipients don't have to be inserted in the message headers, since
routing shouldn't be done on those. The destination has to be
mentioned during the protocol negotiating between client and server.

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Re: error box on start up

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello John,

On Wed, 25 Feb 2004 10:46:31 -0600 GMT (25/02/2004, 23:46 +0700 GMT),
John Galvin wrote:

> I am getting an error when starting up TB. The following screenshot
> shows you what I am getting.
> http://www.totalpc.org/thebat.jpg

> When I click the OK button, the error disappears and TB loads
> normally.

This was reported with earlier BayesIt versions. Upgrade the plugin
and you should be fine.

-- 

Cheers,
Thomas.

Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste.

Die Pille fuer den Mann wurde bei 2 000 Maennern getestet. Und
tatsaechlich - keiner von ihnen bekam ein Kind!

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Re[2]: html email failure

[daveiw]

Hi Alexander,

Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 9:27:37 AM, you wrote:

dcn>> My problem is this; I am running the latest version of TB! 2 and I still
dcn>> can't send html messages. Whenever I create a new message and choose either of
dcn>> the html format options all is fine until I press send.

AL> Please download latest 2.04.07 with fix applied

Excellent! I have installed the latest version and all seems fine, many thanks, all is 
well with the Bat! world again. :-)

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Dave Wilson. 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] 

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error box on start up

[John Galvin]

Hi guys,

I am getting an error when starting up TB. The following screenshot
shows you what I am getting.
http://www.totalpc.org/thebat.jpg

When I click the OK button, the error disappears and TB loads
normally.
I downgraded to 1.62, and the error disappears. Reinstall 2.04.7 and
the error reappears.

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Re: Could not store message

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Martin,

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 15:47:27 -0600 GMT (25/02/2004, 04:47 +0700 GMT),
Martin Schneider wrote:

> The reason for the error message was that the mail contained no real
> mail data as it was created by the mailprovider (e.g. sender, subject
> and recipient was missing). And "The Bat" didn't know how to handle
> the "incorrect" mail. So the consequence was that error.

That's a new one. I believe From is mandatory (I am reporting from
memory, didn't check RFC2822), but subject is optional. A recipient of
some kind must be present, otherwise you wouldn't have received the
mail.

TB prouds itself for RFC-compliance. I have never received a mail
without a From header, so I cannot confirm this is the culprit.

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Thomas.

Moderator der deutschen The Bat! Beginner Liste.

Is there another word for synonym?

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Re: Could not store message

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Marten,

On Tue, 24 Feb 2004 20:14:15 + GMT (25/02/2004, 03:14 +0700 GMT),
Marten Gallagher wrote:

>> or Account / Dispatch Mail on Server

> That was defintiely not there just now! It only appeared as an option
> when you sent this reply. How did you do that?

Let me make a case for the menu navigator here... ;-)

-- 

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Post 'Tail' is wrong

[shemming]

-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1

The wrong version number is showing in the tail of messages on TBUDL;
it says 2.04.04 rather than 2.04.7.

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He often broke into song because he couldn't find the key.

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Re: Configure X-Header field

[Terry]

Hi Carsten,

> Maybe some of you have the same problem: Some of the main
> Canadian ISPs (namely Bell) block all SMTP-Servers except their own.
> So I cannot send email over my email-provider's or domain provider's
> SMTP.



Have you tried using TLS? Some ISPs only block port 25 but don't block
TLS on port 465. Also, I can highly recommend this service -
http://domainmx.net/ run by Scott Logan. He's an absolutely great guy
and the price is really hard to beat.

With these two options, I've always been able to work around any
problems, so I can't help you out with a TB! solution.

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Re[2]: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[rich gregory]

Search for:
rgchicken&soup
PC>>> searched using that method, found 18 messages
rg chicken & soup
PC>>> searched using this method found 17 messages...
rg>> Brings up more questions than it answered for me!
PC> the answer is simple:) keep the searches to one word;0) I've never
PC> really tried a complex search on an email. You want complex, I'll
PC> show you some INFORMIX report queries

HEY! That's GREAT! You've volunteered to write informix queries for my
email searches then!!

Seriously, 2 words does not a complex search make. If I need to
*RELIABLY* find the email where I invited JANIS to the DANCE (only
want emails where BOTH those words exist):

1) how should I enter the search strings? Is example 1 or 2 above
correct? They report different matches!

2) Is it different from version to version?


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Re[2]: Crash on Search in 2.04.4

[rich gregory]

Searching for:
rgchicken&soup
PC>>> searched using that method, found 18 messages

rg chicken & soup
PC>>> searched using this method found 17 messages...

dh> To confuse even more, sometimes I see less messages in the result
dh> list than are "counted" as result in the statusline. If I press
dh> Alt-0/Alt-1 they come up. Very bad, too.

What do ALT-0 & ALT-1 do?

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Re: Configure X-Header field

[Paul Cartwright]

 

On Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 8:28 AM, you wrote:

CGS> I can get arround this by putting my address at Bell into the
CGS> X-Sender field manually. What I'd like to know is how I can have it
CGS> put there automatically. I tried %SETHEADER("X-Sender", "[EMAIL PROTECTED]")
CGS> but when typin a message I still see nothing in the X-Sender field.
CGS> Please help

you might try Xray, that's what I use to change and add headers.

Please visit http://www.xrayapp.com/xray/help for latest version of help file.

1. Overview 
2. Program interface description.   
3. Configuration and tuning.
3.1 Tab "Servers"   
3.2 Tab "Filters"   
3.2.1 X-Ray macros reference.   
3.3 Tab "SMTP Autoselect"   
3.4 Tab "SNTP Sync" 
3.5 Tab "Settings". (TODO General/Mixed)
3.6. Tab "Statistics".  



1. Overview

X-Ray was created to make possible mail message header editing.
The program consists of 3 main parts:
*   XRay Server (xray.srv) – service module, invisible to user. Does all filtering 
work.
*   XRay Control Center (Xray.exe) – executable, which creates an icon in 
system tray and coordinates actions of user interface and service modules.
*   User Interface Library (UI.dll) – dynamic-link library, which contains all 
configuration dialogs.



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Configure X-Header field

[Carsten Guthardt-Schulz]

Hi,

Maybe some of you have the same problem: Some of the main Canadian ISPs (namely Bell) 
block all SMTP-Servers except their own. So I cannot send email over my 
email-provider's or domain provider's SMTP. As Bell's SMTP-Server accepts any FROM 
name, I could use it as relay and just put my normal email address (e.g. [EMAIL 
PROTECTED]) in that field. I used this for quite a while, but now it's becoming 
problematic: I get caught more and more in other people's SPAM filters, because I send 
email with an @gmx.de address but not over the appropriate server. Bell doesn't put 
any X-Sender, so very understandable that my email gets filtered.

I can get arround this by putting my address at Bell into the X-Sender field manually. 
What I'd like to know is how I can have it put there automatically. I tried 
%SETHEADER("X-Sender", "[EMAIL PROTECTED]") but when typin a message I still see 
nothing in the X-Sender field. Please help

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Re: Bayesit (was: Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?)

[Andre Wichartz]

Hello Peter,

On 24 Feb 2004 at 21:41:25 +0100 GMT [21:41 CET] you wrote:

PO> Hello Andre Wichartz,

PO> on Tue, 24 Feb 2004 18:44:26 +0100 (2004-02-24 18:44:26 in .nl) in the
PO> message with reference
PO>  you
PO> [AW] wrote (at least in part):

DW>>> This is what I've been doing, marking spam as Junk, but shouldn't
DW>>> Bayesit start to filter out spam by itself? When does it start
DW>>> doing that?

AW>> Yes, but in my experience it needs a lot of spam before. At least a few
AW>> hundred messages, the more the better. Another thing you could try is
AW>> to lower the score needed to move a spam to the junk folder as set in
AW>> preferences. You can set it very low, I've set it to 1, the absolute
AW>> minimum, and still get no false positives.

PO> Up to the 2.04.04 release BayesIt 0.4gm worked quite fine here, with a
PO> score level of 40.

PO> Starting with 2.04.04, BayesIt 0.4gm SE hardly catches spam anymore.

I'm still using the old gm. I upgraded to 2.04 and because I had bayesit
already installed wasn't asked to install the SE. I understand that you
loose the training with the SE and that is has other problems. Therefore
I didn't really wanted to update my bayesit.

-- 
Cheers,
 Andre

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 It is the dream afraid of waking that never takes the chance.
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Re[2]: IMAP: filtering doesn't work

[Allie Martin]

Alexander A. Gomanyuk, [AAG] wrote:

AAG> Wow! Cool features! :))) Just read on thebat forum about IMAP
AAG> realization problem... Now i'm in depression... :)))

AAG> By the way, would You clarify, why, even after registration and
AAG> logging in a can't post new message there ?

Where is 'there'?  I don't understand. Which system have you
registered and logged unto?

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Re[2]: Bayesit (was: Re: Is 2.04.4 an official release or another beta?)

[MikeD (3)]

Hello Peter,

Tuesday, February 24, 2004, 3:41:25 PM, you wrote:

PO> Up to the 2.04.04 release BayesIt 0.4gm worked quite fine here, with a
PO> score level of 40.

PO> Starting with 2.04.04, BayesIt 0.4gm SE hardly catches spam anymore. It
PO> has been trained with something like 3000 spam messages, which should be
PO> enough I think. I lowered the score level to 20, without improvement so
PO> far. I'll try your suggested level of 1 for a while.

I have mine set to 10 at the moment and it seems to be doing pretty
well.  The big problem is that the spammers are changing tactics so
often now that there are new things every couple of days 

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Re: Could not store message

[William Moore]

Hello tbudl

Thank you for your email dated Wednesday, February 25, 2004, 11:09:38 AM,
in which you wrote:

>> 4.) Consider using NOD32 - without any plug-in - (www.eset.com) which
>> doesn't cause this problem.

U> It did for me with an infamous message TBOT back in January.

I *always* delete the message as soon as Nod gives the warning. I never
attempt to save or clean it. With versions 1 and 2 of Nod I've never had
the message downloaded a second time.

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Re: Could not store message

[Urban]

Tuesday, February 24, 2004, William Moore wrote:

> 4.) Consider using NOD32 - without any plug-in - (www.eset.com) which
> doesn't cause this problem.

It did for me with an infamous message TBOT back in January.

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Sending mail with IMAP

[Peter Fjelsten]

TheBat-users,

 I use server outbox/sent.

 If I compose a mail and it is set to autosave every n minutes, I get a
 number of local versions with the "draft" icon.

 If I send the mail they are drafts of, the "draft mails" aren't deleted
 from my local folder. They should.

 Folder>Purge+Compress does not remove them either.

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Re: Off Topic, but I've no where else to post it.

[Stuart Hemming]

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kg> Try [EMAIL PROTECTED] ?
Missed point error in line 1.

I know how to get hold of support; I wanted RitLabs to know that
their website had a duff address on it.

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