Re[2]: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Urban,

On Sat, 5 Jun 2004 you wrote in


U> Not so easy if I am the sender -- I either have to start each mail with
U> a note that TB users should use the PTV (and maybe even a description
U> how to do that), or send whatever text I want to as an attachment.

I don't understand why you should have to do that? All TB! users
presumably subscribe to this list at least, if not the others too, so
will have read the wealth of information on Smilies and how to deal with
them.

Other e-mail programmes work in different ways so they either accept
Smilies, in which case the user involved will also be used to them and
know what to do if they have the option of not wanting to see them or,
with the rest, they will just see the normal : - ) instead.

I find Smilies brighten up mail but sometimes I just want to read it
plain so it's a very simple right click and de select.

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BayesIT and IMAP?

[Keith Russell]

Now that I'm thinking of returning to TB for my IMAP account, can 
anyone tell me whether or not BayesIT works with IMAP? (I 
couldn't figure out a way to search this question, since so many 
users have the word "BayesIT" in their signatures.)

If BayesIT doesn't work, I think my only Bayesian IMAP option is 
SpamBayes, correct? (Although PopFile is supposed to be 
supporting IMAP Very Soon Now.)

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Re: Definitive list of Smilies.

[Costas Papadopoulos]

Hello George,

Saturday, June 5, 2004, 3:36:56 AM, you wrote (possibly edited):
>> There's a folder called 'Images' in the TB! installation directory. In
>> it are all the smileys and a file called pdsf.msl. Open that file in
>> a plain text viewer.

> I added it as a pad in SmartBat for ease of reference/tweaking.

Great idea George! At last, now I found something useful for SmartBat.

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Re: OT: AV - Thanks everyone

[DanG]

Message received at: 6/4/2004:11:54 AM
JR> However, if security is the goal, I think there are many who
JR> would say that AVG leaves something to be desired while NOD32 &
JR> PC-cillin are generally rated as the best

I'm glad to see someone else boldly mention PC-Cillin. I've used it for years and it's 
caught everything the ether has thrown my way. Don't brag about it tho cause the name 
is so stupid.
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v2.11.02 - Congrats to Ritlabs

[mm Meister]

Hi Bats,

I realize it's unfashionable to be happy for the new release with its smileys and 
chat, but I wish to congratulate Ritlabs on their inclusion of italics, bulleted lists 
and (of all things) tables. This has made my editing chores so simple now. Much easier 
to send properly formatted citations to a colleague, for instance. Thank you again. 

As with all new additions, there might be a couple of small dings (for instance in the 
way the tab does not indent the paragraph but jumps out to the attachment) but these 
are things that will be fixed anon. And I have patience. 

Tables - how wonderful - now, to get Atlantis to add them...

Thanks also to the list for pointing out how to use the smileys as well as add gifs of 
our own. 
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Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?

[Robin Anson]

On Sat 5 June 2004, 11:26:30 +1000, Urban wrote:
>> All other e-mail clients will see them as the plaintext smiley (unless
>> they too convert them locally).
> 
> Not just the standard ones, and that is what is so wrong. There should
> at least be a warning upon sending of messages containing the
> non-standard ones that they may not come out right in the viewer's mail
> client. Maybe asking to send as HTML (yuck) instead so that the receiver
> can read the mail the way the sender intended it.

I'm no fan of the smileys (indeed I have turned them off), but you can
edit the pdsf.msl file to respond to whichever standard or non-standard
smileys you want. Admittedly it is not a particularly intuitive approach,
and does require a degree of familiarity with such things, but you can
choose which smileys you want to appear in response to which combination
of plaintext characters.

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How make smileys work?

[Gaurav Manchanda]

Hi,

I installed TB's latest version yesterday and was
happy to see smiley
support. However, I can't get the smiley to work in my
copy of TB. I
checked out the various mailing list archives for
instructions to
switch it on but didn't find anything substantial. The
Help File with
TB hasn't been also updated.

In the preferences of TB (for editors), the smiley
support is switched
ON yet when I create a message in HTML mode, neither
do the smiley
appear when I type nor when I save, send or receive
mails. Is there
anything special I must do?

Please help!  

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Re: A rant

[Allie Martin]

Rich Gregory, [RG] wrote:

RG> These are OPINIONS.

.. Which at times can be harshly worded. If opinions are harshly
worded and are deemed unreasonable, expect harsh retorts from the
advocates you do see your arguments as unreasonable or based on
incorrect impressions/knowledge of what is being criticized. :) If
you're going to strongly say something against a feature, be sure you
understand the feature before doing so. It helps the situation a lot
when you do.

I'm sure the authors of the retorts didn't feel that they needed a
'calm down' request, just as you and others may think your opinions
were not harshly worded.

Things haven't really gotten out of hand but your point is taken that
opinions and retorts need not be so on the edge, but that's easier
said than done. We're all human and sometimes get upset and wish
others to know that we're upset.

Opinions are most definitely welcome on TBUDL and they do generate a
lot of useful discussion which is one of the things TBUDL is about.
However, calling new features silly, completely useless etc., had
better be followed by sound arguments or else, face the 'wrath' of the
advocates. :)

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TB!'s Direction

[Joseph N.]

(I'm not sure which list would be most appropriate, so I'm sending 
this post to TBUDL.  If it should go on a different one, the mods 
should please lemme know.)

Would the developers or the contributors who are close to them 
please offer a few words on TB!'s direction?  There's no published 
roadmap, and the type of features that have been added lately give 
no suggestion--at least to me--of what this program is trying to 
be.  Quite apart from the usual differences about bug priorities, 
there are basic functions that are not implemented correctly, such 
as MAPI and IMAP [hmm.. maybe it's just features with those 
letters].  I don't have an objection in principle to the smileys, 
Smart Bat, scheduler, and chat, but it would be nice to know the 
big picture that TB! is aiming for.  The scheduler, for example, 
is no match for actual calendaring programs, and as I mentioned 
the MAPI implementation is lacking, so presumably TB! isn't aiming 
to be the calendar/mail function of programs like SO/OOo or 
CorelSuite.  So who is the audience; what is the program's future?  

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Re[2]: Top-Posting and message list (was Re: The Bat! Help File)

[Wayne King]

A> Nothing like 3 pages of
A> quotes followed by a reply that reads something like

A> "Right :-)"

You got that right!

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Re: A rant

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello rich,
Friday, June 4, 2004, 9:32:56 PM, you wrote:

rg> On an unrelated note, and I know I've brought this up in the past...

rg> You guys (not singling anyone in particular out here) have GOT to calm
rg> down!

rg> Sometimes replies to posts that express an opinion that is perceived
rg> as anti-BAT are really not very civil.

rg> These are OPINIONS. We are all here to help The Bat! and her user
rg> community work better. No one is here looking for a fight. (I should
rg> not have to DEFEND myself so fiercely for voicing an opinion.)

rg> It should be enough to reply and either point out where I am mistaken
rg> OR ask questions to see if I have a legitimate point.

Well said.


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Testing the Chat thingie

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Re: coffee mugs in TB

[Roman Katzer]

On Thursday, June 3, 2004, 03:23:09, Mark Partous wrote:
> First of all, while reading this message, right click on the body (the text
> part) of this message. Click on Smileys, to toggle them off.
[...]

Mark and all the others,

thanks for the kind help and the many replies!

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Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?

[Urban]

Friday, June 4, 2004, Mark Partous wrote:

> Besides, you can disable both features completely if you wish. And it
> isn't hard to do so.

Yes, it's easy if I am on the receiving end.
Not so easy if I am the sender -- I either have to start each mail with
a note that TB users should use the PTV (and maybe even a description
how to do that), or send whatever text I want to as an attachment.

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Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?

[Urban]

Saturday, June 5, 2004, Leif Gregory wrote:

> All TB does is to locally *display* the standard ASCII/Plaintext
> smilies in an e-mail as an image.
> 
> All other e-mail clients will see them as the plaintext smiley (unless
> they too convert them locally).

Not just the standard ones, and that is what is so wrong. There should
at least be a warning upon sending of messages containing the
non-standard ones that they may not come out right in the viewer's mail
client. Maybe asking to send as HTML (yuck) instead so that the receiver
can read the mail the way the sender intended it.

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Re: multi-language templates

[Robin Anson]

On Sat 5 June 2004, 8:38:14 +1000, Cyrille wrote:
> I went through all my QT. The "%-" are all there.
> But I still have my empty lines before the greeting in all my
> generated messages.

Hmm, I'm sure it will be lines in a QT that don't have the %- at the end.
Perhaps there are some blank lines that should have a %-. Check that
there are no blank lines at the end of a QT. These may not be obvious
until you investigate closely.

It's hard to tell without actually seeing the QTs as they are written,
including all the blank lines at the end.

If you can't solve the problem, provide a copy of the QTs in a message to
the list, and we can help.

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Re: Help! Something ate my mail!

[Robin Anson]

On Sat 5 June 2004, 0:48:58 +1000, Rich Gregory wrote:
> Hu... So exactly what A/V prgm are you using, Robin? I have been
> running Norton's A/V for many years (the last one with TB!) and
> haven't (yet?) had such a problem even though it is set to scan each
> and every email as it comes in.

I used to use NAV and never had any problems. I think it was because NAV
acted as a proxy and scanned the incoming email before handing it off to
TB!

I now use CA's eTrust on my laptop, which is a work machine. This doesn't
pick up a MIME encoded virus, so only sees them when I try to extract
them and write them to disk, or (I would hope) if I tried to execute
them.

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Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?

[Jimmie Toney]

On 6/4/04, at 5:04 PM, Allister Jenks sent the following:

AJ> Saturday, June 5, 2004, 7:32:13 AM, Mark wrote:

MP>> Besides, you can disable both features completely if you wish. And
MP>> it isn't hard to do so.

AJ> Yes, but the inclusion of these features has diverted resource from more
AJ> functional and useful features, and from bug elimination.

Also for the few of us with limited hard drives we could use the space for other
things. Overall size in megs, it being smaller than some of the others that I
looked at, is one of the reasons that I choose TB!.

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Re[2]: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?

[Peter Kerekes]

Hello rich,

Friday, June 4, 2004, 5:38:08 PM, you wrote:

B>> Smileys and Chat- can anyone tell me why Ritlabs has added these
B>> silly features to its awesome mailer? Smileys seems like something
B>> straight out of AOL's cheesy mailer, and those of us that actually
B>> use instant messaging are probably not going to ditch what we
B>> currently use in favor of Mail Chat anytime soon.

rg> While I agree that neither should have taken a front seat to
rg> developing other features I do not think I am nearly as offended as
rg> you by either.

rg> My take on Smileys and mail chat: If they are mail client specific
rg> then they are completely useless.

rg> If I send 100 emails out with Smileys, chances are (guessing) 60 are
rg> going to Outlook, 30 to Netscape (AOL), and the other 10 to Eudora,
rg> Pegasus, The Bat!, etc. If they only mail clients to see my Smileys
rg> are TB! clients then it is a complete waste of time and resources.

Who can see the smileys other than BAT readers?

rg> Same deal with mail chat if I cannot chat cross-platform then it too
rg> is a complete waste.

rg> What happens when I get an email that contains (c) for copy-written
rg> material I do not want to see a cup of coffee. (I would however
rg> welcome a beer for (b) in a bulleted list!)


B>> Did anyone actually request these features? There are many fine
B>> suggestions on the wishlist and I can't believe that these two
B>> stood out above the rest. Why doesn't Ritlabs just give its user
B>> base what they ask for instead of bloating their program with this
B>> stuff? Or at least give us the option of installing it as a
B>> feature.

rg> Boy, I have to agree completely on this! I have not only requested new
rg> features but placed unresolved bug reports as well.   :(

rg> Rich

rg> P.S. The only reason I cannot agree with your first statement above
rg> (that TB! is "awesome") is due to the seeming disregard the user
rg> community's issues. Aside from that TB! is still my mailer of choice
rg> (warts and all, as they say).

Agree fully. The only salvation is that smileys can be disengaged and using
MicroEd editor. Chat I guess can be disregarded. Still it is an effort to
add to the program instead of using the effort to add other useful features
and bug corrections.

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Re: Definitive list of Smilies.

[George Mitchell]

Allie Martin wrote:

> Chris Weaven, [CW] wrote:

CW>> Apologies if I've missed it somewhere or if I'm OT, but is the a
CW>> definitive list anywhere of what combinations produce what smilies, or
CW>> is it a case of trial & error/suck it and see?

> There's a folder called 'Images' in the TB! installation directory. In
> it are all the smileys and a file called pdsf.msl. Open that file in
> a plain text viewer.

I added it as a pad in SmartBat for ease of reference/tweaking.

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Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?

[George Mitchell]

Leif Gregory wrote:

> Mail chat, I don't know, but Smileys were added during personal time
> by 9Val.. He was not on the RITLabs clock when he did it.

> Whether or not you believe it to be a useless feature is up to you,
> but bug fixing and whatnot wasn't hurt by 9Vals work. He was on
> personal time.

Nothing is free.  As a result of 9Val's off the clock efforts, several
bug fixes had to be made to the smiley feature before the release.
I'm willing to bet they ate into real development time.  Also, their
UI guy spent time converting the .ico files to GIFs, and someone built
them into the installer.  If Ritlabs bothered to document The Bat!
there would be additional documentation tasks.

Testers were distracted by them in an already painfully short beta
period.  And we still ended up with an initial public release that
turned a common notation for the copyright symbol into a coffee cup.

I like the smileys, but they really should have waited.

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Re: Chat Icons

[Code 2]

On Friday, June 4, 2004 at 4:09:19 PM, you wrote:

JN> I'm trying to figure out how to work the chat thing.  It would be 
JN> nice if there were some documentation, like what are the necessary
JN> preconditions to having incoming and outgoing messages within the 
JN> chat folder.  Apart from learning how to operate it, though, I have a
JN> more prosaic concern:  my chatting companion says that there are 
JN> icons on her toolbar that "light up" when an incoming chat message
JN> lands.  I have no such icons.  My toolbar looks the same as it did in
JN> version 2.10.x.  Should I uninstall and reinstall?  (I have just 
JN> installed over the prior versions since going to v.2.)


I just don't understand the poor documentation.  That's what
turned me off The Bat! when I did my first trial, and I bet RIT loses
a lot of potential customers (and revenue) because of it.

Your buddy might be referring to the Mail Chat taskbar item (between
the Windows Start button and the systray).  In Windows XP, at least,
it flashes when a chat message arrives.

I notice in Account|Properties...|Chat|Notification Mode you can
choose between Flash Window and Aggressive Show.  Try changing these
settings to see what's better for you.

And to any RIT developers listening ... why the heck didn't you call
it Bat Chat! :)

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Re: Definitive list of Smilies.

[DanG]

Message received at: 6/4/2004:7:05 PM
CW> Hi TBUDL users,
CW> I've just changed my editor settings and am now appreciating all
CW> the smilies in their full colourful glory!
CW> Apologies if I've missed it somewhere or if I'm OT, but is the a
CW> definitive list anywhere of what combinations produce what
CW> smilies, or is it a case of trial & error/suck it and see?

It's in the smiley dictionary Leif distributed to TBBeta 
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Don't know if he's put it here but now that smilies are mainstream with 2.11, it might 
be good to have.


You can also just open up the cryptically titled file pdsf.msl in the "images" 
subfolder of your bat installation. It opens as a text file and then if your like me 
you can mess around with it in another text file or something.
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Re: Definitive list of Smilies.

[Allie Martin]

Chris Weaven, [CW] wrote:

CW> Apologies if I've missed it somewhere or if I'm OT, but is the a
CW> definitive list anywhere of what combinations produce what smilies, or
CW> is it a case of trial & error/suck it and see?

There's a folder called 'Images' in the TB! installation directory. In
it are all the smileys and a file called pdsf.msl. Open that file in
a plain text viewer.

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Re: Sending from IMAP account.

[Allie Martin]

Chris Weaven, [CW] wrote:

CW> Anyone any ideas why this is happening, as it's VERY frustrating!
CW> Would it have anything to do with both my outbox and sent items
CW> being server side?

It may very well do. Would you try sending mail with your outbox
local? I can send without trouble only when the outbox is local here.
When using a server side Outbox, I get similar problems with
messages not being sent. I usually have to select the message in the
outbox and hit 'send queued messages'. The message is usually sent but
I end up with two copies of the message sitting in the Outbox. I have
to manually delete them, sometimes with problems doing so.

I've already reported this on TBBETA.

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Chat Icons

[Joseph N.]

I'm trying to figure out how to work the chat thing.  It would be 
nice if there were some documentation, like what are the necessary 
preconditions to having incoming and outgoing messages within the 
chat folder.  Apart from learning how to operate it, though, I have a 
more prosaic concern:  my chatting companion says that there are 
icons on her toolbar that "light up" when an incoming chat message 
lands.  I have no such icons.  My toolbar looks the same as it did in 
version 2.10.x.  Should I uninstall and reinstall?  (I have just 
installed over the prior versions since going to v.2.)

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Definitive list of Smilies.

[Chris Weaven]

Hi TBUDL users,

I've just changed my editor settings and am now appreciating all the
smilies in their full colourful glory!

Apologies if I've missed it somewhere or if I'm OT, but is the a
definitive list anywhere of what combinations produce what smilies, or
is it a case of trial & error/suck it and see?
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Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?

[Martin Webster]

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Hello Allister,

On 04 June 2004, 09:51 +1200 (04/06/200422:51 local time) Allister Jenks
[AJ] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

MP>> Besides, you can disable both features completely if you wish. And
MP>> it isn't hard to do so.

AJ> Yes, but the inclusion of these features has diverted resource from more
AJ> functional and useful features, and from bug elimination.

On the contrary, if you frequent TBBETA you'll learn that each developer
is working on different parts of TB! And some features take more time to
develop than others. For instance, the new emoticon feature was put
together some weeks ago "for personal use" by one of the developers and
is now in the latest release. On the other hand, work with IMAP appears
to be progressing at a slower pace. But we know this is much more
complex and is being worked on now. This is clearly evident in the
latest service release.

I rather like the new emoticons... they're very useful in lists and I've
used them for some time... now they come with a bit of colour. :-) As
for Mail Chat I can't say I have a use for it... at the moment. But that
could change.

Whilst typing this message in MicroEd I see many enhancements in the new
release so it seems that efforts haven't been diverted too much after
all!

My guess is we're seeing little snippets of the next version. I also
think it will have universal appeal, satisfying 'newbie' and 'power
user' alike. Sounds like a sensible commercial model to me.

And yes, I get frustrated with progress too... and that's why it's
helpful to change your perceptual position from time to time.


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Re: multi-language templates

[Cyrille]

Hello MAU,

Wednesday, June 2, 2004, 1:54:06 AM, you wrote:

M> Include "%-" without the quote marks at the end of each QINCLUDE line.

I went through all my QT. The "%-" are all there.
But I still have my empty lines before the greeting in all my
generated messages.

Do you have another idea what could be the reason?

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Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?

[Leif Gregory]

Hello rich,

Friday, June 4, 2004, 3:38:08 PM, you wrote:
rich> If I send 100 emails out with Smileys, chances are (guessing) 60
rich> are going to Outlook, 30 to Netscape (AOL), and the other 10 to
rich> Eudora, Pegasus, The Bat!, etc. If they only mail clients to see
rich> my Smileys are TB! clients then it is a complete waste of time
rich> and resources.

You should understand how the feature works before bagging on it.

All TB does is to locally *display* the standard ASCII/Plaintext
smilies in an e-mail as an image. It has absolutely nothing to do with
compatibility. There is nothing TB has done to make it incompatible.

:-)  <-- this smiley is a replacement for the text : - )

*NOTE I added spaces in the smiley so you could see it.

If you don't believe me, just find a message with smileys in it and
view the message source. You will find that they are the standard
plaintext smileys everyone's been using for ages. TB did nothing to
them. It's a local translation on your machine, which can be disabled
in the Options/Preferences/Viewer settings.

All other e-mail clients will see them as the plaintext smiley (unless
they too convert them locally).

As for it being a waste of developer time, I already wrote to Bob that
this was done off the clock by 9Val. He did all of it in his off-time,
therefore wasted nothing but his own personal time.



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Sending from IMAP account.

[Chris Weaven]

Hi The Bat! Users,

Ever since using IMAP, I've had a inconsistent problem with sending
mail.

When I finish composing my mail, I hit send. This then sends the
mail to my outbox and it goes no further, well, normally. 1 in 10 it'll
send, but the others it won't.

The mails it won't send I try to open, but I get a blank message that it
asks me if I want to save or not. If I click no, the message disappears
from the screen and the cursor turns into a grey circle with a line
through it - the technical name :-) - for a while.

If I click yes, it states I can't leave the TO field blank.

If I click cancel, the blank message stays on the screen and then
prompts me to save again when I try to do anything.

During all this, the outbox remains bold containing a highlighted
message I can't do anything with!

The only way I can then send the mail is to drag and drop to my POP
account and to send from there.

Anyone any ideas why this is happening, as it's VERY frustrating! Would
it have anything to do with both my outbox and sent items being server
side?
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Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Bob,

Friday, June 4, 2004, 1:18:40 PM, you wrote:
Bob> I know I'm venting a bit and am inviting flames here, but I'd
Bob> like to know if anyone else agrees with me on this. I certainly
Bob> hope this isn't an indication of what's to come for The Bat!.

Mail chat, I don't know, but Smileys were added during personal time
by 9Val.. He was not on the RITLabs clock when he did it.

Whether or not you believe it to be a useless feature is up to you,
but bug fixing and whatnot wasn't hurt by 9Vals work. He was on
personal time.



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Re[2]: OT: AV - Thanks everyone

[malexander]

Hello Jan,

Friday, June 4, 2004, 4:54:49 PM, you wrote:

JR> Hi malexander,

JR> At 10:38 PM on Thursday, June 03, 2004 you m> wrote the following
JR> OT: AV - Thanks everyone:

m>> I tired it download NOD32 from the link they gave to me and after two
m>> hours their server still wasn't running. Couldn't even ping it. So, I
m>> went to Grisoft and downloaded the trial version of AVG. Got it
m>> running now - it was easy to set up and, to be honest, I have to
m>> check now and again to see the little icon in my SysTray because
m>> otherwise I wouldn't know it was there ;-)

JR>  However, if security is the goal, I think there are many who
JR>  would say that AVG leaves something to be desired while NOD32 &
JR>  PC-cillin are generally rated as the best while Norton sometimes
JR>  conflicts with other programs & McAfee misses too much.

I think it depends, to some extent on who you read. I'd not seen
anything about NOD32 before it was mentioned here, and I've seen
reviews for PC-cillin which were less than impressive.  I do intend,
whoever, now that I have some protection, on checking out other
products as well.

Thanks :)

JR>  Having said all that, I'm sure there will be disagreements but my
JR>  feeling is better safe than sorry & each to their own.

Ideally, what I'd like to do is retire one of our computers and turn
it into a sheep dip where I can have 2 or 3 AV products running on
consecutively (easy to do with a script to load them in and out of
memory) so that everything gets checked multiple times. But that means
buying a new computer Which of course, would be newer, faster,
shinierI must go and see our bank manager... ;-)


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Re[2]: OT: AV - Thanks everyone

[malexander]

Hello Mary,

Friday, June 4, 2004, 5:55:01 PM, you wrote:

MB> Hello Jan!

MB> On Friday, June 04, 2004, 10:54 AM, you wrote:

JR>> ... if security is the goal, I think there are many who would say
JR>> that AVG leaves something to be desired while NOD32 & PC-cillin
JR>> are generally rated as the best while Norton sometimes conflicts
JR>> with other programs & McAfee misses too much.

MB> Don't forget F-Secure. Runs three scanning engines, updates as often
MB> as the user would like to set it, has heuristic analysis, relatively
MB> simple user interface.

That;'s what used to be F-Prot.   I haven't really investigated it,
but know I at least have something I'll take a look at it.

MB> Sorry for what just accidentally went, prior to this, my intended
MB> message. I'm convinced now to set my configuration to "delayed" rather
MB> than "immediate" sending.

heheheh. Engage brain before pressing button ;-)


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Re[2]: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Friday, June 4, 2004, rich gregory wrote:

> If I send 100 emails out with Smileys, chances are (guessing) 60 are
> going to Outlook, 30 to Netscape (AOL), and the other 10 to Eudora,
> Pegasus, The Bat!, etc. If they only mail clients to see my Smileys
> are TB! clients then it is a complete waste of time and resources.

There  is  no  support  for  "sending"  smileys  to  users in outgoing
messages,  version  2.11 can display text smileys as icons in RTV/HTML
viewer and You can disable this feature, if You don't like them.

As  I  think, You should test it before You are writing such erroneous
informations.

> Same deal with mail chat if I cannot chat cross-platform then it too
> is a complete waste.

The Bat! has many unique features and I don't understand, why must be
features cross-platform.

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Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?

[Cyrille]

Hello Bob,

Friday, June 4, 2004, 9:18:40 PM, you wrote:

B> Smileys and Mail Chat- can anyone tell me why Ritlabs has added these
B> silly features to its awesome mailer? Why doesn't
B> Ritlabs just give its user base what they ask for instead of bloating
B> their program with this stuff?
B> I know I'm venting a bit and am inviting flames here, but I'd like to
B> know if anyone else agrees with me on this. I certainly hope this
B> isn't an indication of what's to come for The Bat!.

I agree with you.
I am still hesitating to make TB my default mailer. And what I read on
this list in these last couple of days about v2.11 does not encourage me at
all

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Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?

[Allister Jenks]

Saturday, June 5, 2004, 7:32:13 AM, Mark wrote:

MP> Besides, you can disable both features completely if you wish. And
MP> it isn't hard to do so.

Yes, but the inclusion of these features has diverted resource from more
functional and useful features, and from bug elimination.

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Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources

[Allister Jenks]

Saturday, June 5, 2004, 5:06:56 AM, Simon wrote:

SM> ...the CPU usage goes to 100%...

SM> ...and I have to kill TheBat from the Windows task manager.

OK, attention all!  How many times has this basic symptom been reported
now?  I had a bit of a rant on here recently about getting my bug report
looked at on this very topic (0002755).

Obviously TB! has a generic problem that causes CPU hogging, apparently
in a variety of circumstances and it is *very* annoying.

I don't know how many RIT folk watch this list, but if any are watching,
PLEASE concentrate some effort on sorting this one out before adding any
new features.  And all you others out there who have ever experienced
this problem, or who feel for those who do - please add your weight to
this in any way you see fit.

Maybe if those beer mugs and fish were real they could be treated as
compensation of a sort, but all I see is diversion of resource.

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still haven't fixed the outlook concat bug...

[jwayne]

Just upgraded TB to the latest. I'm still getting email messages from Outlook
with word concatenation. Considering the market penetration of Outlook, you'd
think that RIT would make such a bug fix a priority.

OTOH, you'd also think that they'd make a decent help file a priority...

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Re: 2.11 consume all CPU resources

[jwayne]

On Friday, June 4, 2004, 1:06:56 PM, Simon Mikkelsen <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

SM> Today I upgraded TheBat from v 2.10 to 2.11 by installing on top of
SM> the old 2.10. Every time I run TheBat 2.11, the CPU usage goes to
SM> 100%, except when TheBat is using the disk a lot.

SM> I've tried to remove the BayersIt-plugin and rename it's folder,
SM> and move the content of my junk-folder to another folder - without any
SM> change.

SM> Some tasks, like reading mail, viewing folders and altering options is
SM> running as fast as they always have done, while reciving messages and
SM> moving messages is painfully slow.

SM> When I try to exit TheBat, I get the warning message "Some tasks are
SM> active now. Do you want to exit when they are finished?" with the
SM> buttons "Yes", "No" and "Abort". Nothing happens when I press any of
SM> them, and I have to kill TheBat from the Windows task manager.

SM> I use Win 2000 professional danish, with the latest service packs.

I also use W2k (tho' not Danish) with latest SPs & updates and also upgraded by
installing on top of 2.10. Don't use plugins. On loading TB, CPU utilization
quickly goes to 100% and then quickly back down to 0%. Receiving messages also
shoots CPU up to 100%, but only for the time it is receiving, and it isn't
"painfully slow".

Haven't had to kill TB from task manager.

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Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?

[Peter Meyns]

Hi Bob,

on Fri, 4 Jun 2004 15:18:40 -0400GMT, you wrote:

B> Smileys and Mail Chat- can anyone tell me why Ritlabs has added these
B> silly features to its awesome mailer?

I don't know. Maybe because programmers are young people and think
these additions are nice and wanted...?

B> I know I'm venting a bit and am inviting flames here, but I'd like to
B> know if anyone else agrees with me on this. I certainly hope this
B> isn't an indication of what's to come for The Bat!.

No flame needed here. As long as I can disable what I don't need I'm
content. :-)

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Re: Smileys? Mail Chat?? What's becoming of The Bat!?

[Mark Partous]

Hello Bob,

Friday, June 4, 2004, 9:18:40 PM, you wrote:

B> Or at least give us the option of
B> installing it as a feature.

You're not on TBBeta? If I remember well, one of the programmers
told it would require too big a rewrite if these would be made
available as plug-ins.

Besides, you can disable both features completely if you wish. And
it isn't hard to do so.

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Re: Scheduler

[Adam]

Hello Graham,

Friday, June 4, 2004, 3:56:59 AM, you wrote:

GD> Hello all Bat users,

GD> first time on the list so please excuse the newbie questions.

GD> Coming from Outlook where I relied on the Calendar a lot I am
GD> finding that the Scheduler is "not as good" in fact I'm using
GD> Firefox with the Calendar add-in for scheduling and reminders.

GD> Problem 1: If I select a date in the future then Insert a new
GD> task it always defaults to the current date, not the selected date.
GD> Is there a setting somewhere that can change this ?

I don't think so.

The interface is only young.

It only remains to speculate where it might branch off. Is it best to
duplicate the same functionality in current scheduling/calendaring
applications many people use, like Outlook?

Or should it advance features in some other peculiar way?

GD> Problem 2: Tasks that have been completed still remain in the list

Well, aren't you the busy little scheduler? :-)

Maybe because they aren't sure if they are tasks, or events?

And if tasks, there's no way to say that one is completed.

GD> Is there a way to get a view of the current month ?

You mean like, a wide screen calendar display? I don't think so. I
think Outlook has the displaying calendars domain pretty well covered.

GD> Appreciate any help with these problems as I'm still trying
GD> to find my way around all the menu's and cool features

Try the Menu Navigator for this. It's just next to the Close And
Restore buttons, at the far top right corner.


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2.11 consume all CPU resources

[Simon Mikkelsen]

Today I upgraded TheBat from v 2.10 to 2.11 by installing on top of
the old 2.10. Every time I run TheBat 2.11, the CPU usage goes to
100%, except when TheBat is using the disk a lot.

I've tried to remove the BayersIt-plugin and rename it's folder,
and move the content of my junk-folder to another folder - without any
change.

Some tasks, like reading mail, viewing folders and altering options is
running as fast as they always have done, while reciving messages and
moving messages is painfully slow.

When I try to exit TheBat, I get the warning message "Some tasks are
active now. Do you want to exit when they are finished?" with the
buttons "Yes", "No" and "Abort". Nothing happens when I press any of
them, and I have to kill TheBat from the Windows task manager.

I use Win 2000 professional danish, with the latest service packs.

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Re: Language Lists

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Thomas,

@4-Jun-2004, 23:54 +0700 (04-Jun 17:54 UK time) Thomas Fernandez
[TF] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to Thomas:

BH>>> P.S.  I only found this English list. Theres isn't by any
BH>>> chance a The Bat mailing list in German?

TF>> There are three:

TF> And here is the list of language lists:
TF> http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/lists.html

TF> (@Marck: The link for the German registration site is outdated.)

(thanks - I'll get it sorted).

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Language Lists (was: Mail download + new line problems)

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello list,

On Sun, 16 May 2004 21:55:30 +0700 GMT (16/05/2004, 21:55 +0700 GMT),
Thomas Fernandez wrote:

BH>> P.S.  I only found this English list. Theres isn't by any
BH>> chance a The Bat mailing list in German?

TF> There are three:

And here is the list of language lists:
http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/lists.html

(@Marck: The link for the German registration site is outdated.)

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Re: OT: AV - Thanks everyone

[Mary Bull]

Hello Jan!

On Friday, June 04, 2004, 10:54 AM, you wrote:

JR> ... if security is the goal, I think there are many who would say
JR> that AVG leaves something to be desired while NOD32 & PC-cillin
JR> are generally rated as the best while Norton sometimes conflicts
JR> with other programs & McAfee misses too much.

Don't forget F-Secure. Runs three scanning engines, updates as often
as the user would like to set it, has heuristic analysis, relatively
simple user interface.

Sorry for what just accidentally went, prior to this, my intended
message. I'm convinced now to set my configuration to "delayed" rather
than "immediate" sending.

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Re: OT: AV - Thanks everyone

[Mary Bull]

Hello Jan!

On Friday, June 04, 2004, 10:54 AM, you wrote:

JR> Hi malexander,

JR> At 10:38 PM on Thursday, June 03, 2004 you m> wrote the following
JR> OT: AV - Thanks everyone:

m>> I tired it download NOD32 from the link they gave to me and after two
m>> hours their server still wasn't running. Couldn't even ping it. So, I
m>> went to Grisoft and downloaded the trial version of AVG. Got it
m>> running now - it was easy to set up and, to be honest, I have to
m>> check now and again to see the little icon in my SysTray because
m>> otherwise I wouldn't know it was there ;-)

JR>  However, if security is the goal, I think there are many who
JR>  would say that AVG leaves something to be desired while NOD32 &
JR>  PC-cillin are generally rated as the best while Norton sometimes
JR>  conflicts with other programs & McAfee misses too much.

JR>  Having said all that, I'm sure there will be disagreements but my
JR>  feeling is better safe than sorry & each to their own.



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Re: OT: AV - Thanks everyone

[Jan Rifkinson]

Hi malexander,

At 10:38 PM on Thursday, June 03, 2004 you m> wrote the following
OT: AV - Thanks everyone:

m> I tired it download NOD32 from the link they gave to me and after two
m> hours their server still wasn't running. Couldn't even ping it. So, I
m> went to Grisoft and downloaded the trial version of AVG. Got it
m> running now - it was easy to set up and, to be honest, I have to
m> check now and again to see the little icon in my SysTray because
m> otherwise I wouldn't know it was there ;-)

 However, if security is the goal, I think there are many who
 would say that AVG leaves something to be desired while NOD32 &
 PC-cillin are generally rated as the best while Norton sometimes
 conflicts with other programs & McAfee misses too much.

 Having said all that, I'm sure there will be disagreements but my
 feeling is better safe than sorry & each to their own.

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Filter for outbox

[Peter Kerekes]

My default view is "Display only Unread Messages". Can I make a filter
which would change to messages in Outbox to show as "unread message"? There
is a filter for Outbox "to change message as read" but cannot find the
reverse.

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Re: Something wrong with my quotes macro

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Rich,

@4-Jun-2004, 10:51 -0400 (04-Jun 15:51 UK time) rich gregory [RG] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

MW>> I now use %QUOTESTYLE="=%QINCLUDE='initials'"%- to quote correctly

RG> How does that differ from:

RG> %QUOTESTYLE="=%qinclude(Initials)"

In no functional way at all. %qinclude(Initials) is the exactly same
as %QINCLUDE='initials', just different ways of writing the same
thing.

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Re[2]: coffee mugs in TB

[Plan9]

Friday, June 4, 2004, 10:13:03 AM, Leif Gregory wrote:

LG> Hello Martin,

LG> Friday, June 4, 2004, 5:59:26 AM, you wrote:
Martin>> That explains everything! :doh: <- just a suggestion :-)

LG> We need a homer icon now! 

And a :donut:
"Mmmm :donut:"

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Re: coffee mugs in TB

[Leif Gregory]

Hello Martin,

Friday, June 4, 2004, 5:59:26 AM, you wrote:
Martin> That explains everything! :doh: <- just a suggestion :-)

We need a homer icon now! 



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Re: Odd effect change account name

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Adam,

On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:32:00 -0230 GMT (04/06/2004, 20:02 +0700 GMT),
Adam wrote:

A> I have a feeling this might sound too technical.

No, this is fine for this list. ;-)

A> But, I was just now
A> renaming an account. Just click on Properties, type a new name, and
A> shortly, a window comes on screen. It seems to be alerting to some
A> trouble. The window offers two pathnames, and declares that:

A>  The system could not find the path specified

I cannot confirm this with the current release, 2.11, under Windows
98.

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Re: Possible IMAP problem in V2.11

[Thomas Fernandez]

Hello Phil,

On Fri, 4 Jun 2004 10:16:49 +0100 GMT (04/06/2004, 16:16 +0700 GMT),
Phil wrote:

P> I upgraded from 2.10.03 to 2.11 and everything seemed OK until I
P> rebooted my machine. From this point onwards I was unable to connect
P> to my ISP's IMAP server to read mail.

Do you use a firewall that stores the MD5-Hash of the software trying
to access the outside world?

Just an idea.

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Re: Possible IMAP problem in V2.11

[Phil]

Hi Allie,

Friday, June 4, 2004, 11:13:50 AM, you wrote:


> I don't know. How do you logon. Do you use any secure login types. I
> use plain log-ins and don't have a problem with any of the 2.11
> versions.
Plain log-in
> There's a new service release that you could try, i.e.,
> v2.11.02
Yes, I noticed this this morning. I'll give it a go tonight!

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Re: Help! Something ate my mail! - KAV integration

[Nick Dutton]

Hello Johannes,

Friday, June 4, 2004, 07:20, you wrote:
>>  6/3/2004, 15:11:47: FETCH - Received message from
>> [EMAIL PROTECTED], size: 43024 bytes, subject: "Mail Delivery
>> (failure [EMAIL PROTECTED])"
>> !6/3/2004, 15:11:47: FETCH - could not store message (file name
>> - C:\DOCUME~1\BARRYT~1\LOCALS~1\Temp\bat1429.tmp)

JP> Look at the subjects, those are virus worms spreading...

>> I checked C:\DOCUME~1\BARRYT~1\LOCALS~1\Temp\, but I have no idea why
>> The Bat! could not store the messages or why the earlier messages
>> disappeared.  Does anyone have any thoughts?

JP> You run an antivirus program in the background, which denied TB from
JP> accessing the temp files because they contain a worm.

After (another) PC rebuild, I'm now getting a similar:
   04/06/2004, 14:02:27: FETCH - Received message from , size: 72175 
bytes, subject: "Re: Mail delivery failed (Error:3873)"
   !04/06/2004, 14:02:28: ANTIVIRUS - The anti-virus has reported an error, the object 
cannot be checked for viruses

Which is no doubt caused by KAV proper interfering with the KAV
plug-in for TB! Unfortunately the plug-in is using my system32
directory for storing the temp file, so I'm reluctant to remove it
from the real-time AV monitor path.

How do other KAV users get around this?  Does this have something to
do with the KAV option to rename infected files in the source folder
vs. moving them to an "infected" folder?

P.S. What's the convention for posting long lines, especially log-file
 extracts?  Do I wrap them and make them unreadable, or leave them
 for the reader to deal with?

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Odd effect change account name

[Adam]

I have a feeling this might sound too technical. But, I was just now
renaming an account. Just click on Properties, type a new name, and
shortly, a window comes on screen. It seems to be alerting to some
trouble. The window offers two pathnames, and declares that:

 The system could not find the path specified

It gives the path to some specific folder on the account, first listed
under the old account name, and a second line, same path, but with the
new account name.

So, I could only acknowledge the window. And then came two more,
just like it, for two other mailboxes.  One of them was the outbox.

Does that make any sense to anyone?

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Re: "Watch by"

[Andre Wichartz]

Hello Ben,

On 3 Jun 2004 at 02:09:54 +0100 GMT [03:09 CEST] you wrote:

BA> Howdy TBUDL,

BA>   In  folder  properties  it  in the bottom left hand corner that is a
BA>   button  that  says  "watch  by".  If clicked it brings up the folder
BA>   structure  with  option to select or deselect all. What is this for?
BA>   Is  it  a  method  of  getting  other  folders to become trainee MI5
BA>   operatives? Just wondering if i have missed something?

Create Chat folder. Now you can select a message and choose watch by and
choose that chat folder. you can then watch the thread in that folder.

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Re[2]: tiem depending message header

[Michael Wagner]

Hi again,

Thanks, that works very fine!

Viele Grüße
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===
Friday, June 4, 2004, 1:51:42 PM, you wrote:

RA> On Fri 4 June 2004, 19:30:59 +1000, Michael Wagner wrote:
>> I want to use a day time depending hello message in my quick templates, so that
>> when I write a mail in the evening the first line should be "Good evening", at
>> early times it should be "Good morning" and the rest of the day only "Hello".
>> 
>> Can you tell me how to do this in the TB! template editor?

RA> This is from the help file:

RA> %IF:"%TIME"<"12:00":"morning":%-"%IF:'%TIME'>'17:00':'evening':'afternoon'"





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Re: coffee mugs in TB

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Hello Allie,

On 04 June 2004, 05:30 -0500 (04/06/200411:30 local time) Allie Martin
[AM] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

MW>> I don't think it's as simple as that... I've got no smilies in this
MW>> thread at all now.

AM> This is because the pdsf.msl file has been altered with newer
AM> versions. The cup and beer icons are no longer triggered by (b) and
AM> (c).

That explains everything! :doh: <- just a suggestion :-)


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Re: tiem depending message header

[Robin Anson]

On Fri 4 June 2004, 19:30:59 +1000, Michael Wagner wrote:
> I want to use a day time depending hello message in my quick templates, so that
> when I write a mail in the evening the first line should be "Good evening", at
> early times it should be "Good morning" and the rest of the day only "Hello".
> 
> Can you tell me how to do this in the TB! template editor?

This is from the help file:

%IF:"%TIME"<"12:00":"morning":%-"%IF:'%TIME'>'17:00':'evening':'afternoon'"


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Re: spell checker

[Roland Burger]

Hi Allie,

on Fri, 4 Jun 2004 05:17:38 -0500 GMT (which was Friday, June 4, 2004,
12:17 where I live) Allie Martin wrote in message
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] among others:

> Roland Burger, [RB] wrote:

RB>> what can be the matter that I don't have automatic spell
RB>> checker?

> If you're using the Windows plain text or HTML editor, then the
> autochecker doesn't work. It will only work with MicroEd.

But with MicroEd I cannot see from quick templates the Polish characters in Mails! I 
therefore have set it to Plain Text (Windows) - Windows-compatible, proportional 
fonts! But this, however, don't work with the templates in the addressbook!

I think, that Ritlabs must do there something!

PS.: I have now tried it with MicroEd, but I also didn't find 
 automatic spell checker and the languages also are not those 
 mentioned with intpack.exe!

RB>> I have installed intpack.msi, What is OKB and where I can get it?

> I pass on this second question.

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Re: coffee mugs in TB

[Allie Martin]

Martin Webster, [MW] wrote:

MW> I don't think it's as simple as that... I've got no smilies in this
MW> thread at all now.

This is because the pdsf.msl file has been altered with newer
versions. The cup and beer icons are no longer triggered by (b) and
(c).

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[Manfred Ell]

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Re: Something wrong with my quotes macro

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On 04 June 2004, 03:05 +0200 (04/06/200402:05 local time) dAniel hAhler
[DH] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

DH> see the help for %QUOTESTYLE..
DH> (especially where it says "L - use the last name of the sender of the
DH> original message")

DH> You probably want to change it to:
DH> %QUOTESTYLE="=%QINCLUDE='initials'>"%-

Thanks, that's sorted now. :-) From the help:

,-
| =text   use the "text" as the prefix, e.g. %QUOTESTYLE="=-|"
`-

Thus, I now use %QUOTESTYLE="=%QINCLUDE='initials'"%- to quote
correctly (the extra > isn't necessary.)


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Re: spell checker

[Allie Martin]

Roland Burger, [RB] wrote:

RB> what can be the matter that I don't have automatic spell
RB> checker?

If you're using the Windows plain text or HTML editor, then the
autochecker doesn't work. It will only work with MicroEd.

RB> I have installed intpack.msi, What is OKB and where I can get it?

I pass on this second question.

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Re: Possible IMAP problem in V2.11

[Allie Martin]

Phil, [P] wrote:

P> I upgraded from 2.10.03 to 2.11 and everything seemed OK until I
P> rebooted my machine. From this point onwards I was unable to
P> connect to my ISP's IMAP server to read mail. I deleted the account
P> and added it again in case the settings were corrupted but was
P> still unable to connect. I tried re-installing 2.10.03 over the top
P> of 2.11 (and was surprised that this actually succeeded!) whereupon
P> I was once again able to connect to the IMAP server. Has anyone
P> else had similar problems with 2.11 or any suggestions as to what
P> may have happened?

I don't know. How do you logon. Do you use any secure login types. I
use plain log-ins and don't have a problem with any of the 2.11
versions. There's a new service release that you could try, i.e.,
v2.11.02

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Re: coffee mugs in TB

[Martin Webster]

Hello Gerard,

On 04 June 2004, 08:52 +0200 (04/06/200407:52 local time) Gerard [G] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

AM>>> (A) Good
AM>>> (B) Bad
AM>>> (C) Ugly

MW>> TB! has some way to go... I can't see a single smiley in your last
MW>> message. I'm sure there should be two.

G> It only works with non-capitalised letters like here:

G> (a) Good
G> (b) Bad
G> (c) Ugly

I don't think it's as simple as that... I've got no smilies in this
thread at all now. Okay elsewhere. Also, if you look at the start of the
thread  you'll see
that Roman used (C) (c) and both of these were turned into smilies.
Also, on another thread, I used (a) (b) etc. but in the reply some were
changed to capitals. I think it's still a little buggy.

I'm wondering if PGP sigs have something to do with it?


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Re: coffee mugs in TB

[Martin Webster]

Hello Gerard,

On 04 June 2004, 08:52 +0200 (04/06/200407:52 local time) Gerard [G] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

AM>>> (A) Good
AM>>> (B) Bad
AM>>> (C) Ugly

MW>> TB! has some way to go... I can't see a single smiley in your last
MW>> message. I'm sure there should be two.

G> It only works with non-capitalised letters like here:

G> (a) Good
G> (b) Bad
G> (c) Ugly

I don't think it's as simple as that... I've got no smilies in this
thread at all now. Okay elsewhere. Also, if you look at the start of the
thread  you'll see
that Roman used (C) (c) and both of these were turned into smilies.
Also, on another thread, I used (a) (b) etc. but in the reply some were
changed to capitals. I think it's still a little buggy.

I'm wondering if PGP sigs have something to do with it?


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tiem depending message header

[Michael Wagner]

Hi folks,

I want to use a day time depending hello message in my quick templates, so that
when I write a mail in the evening the first line should be "Good evening", at
early times it should be "Good morning" and the rest of the day only "Hello".

Can you tell me how to do this in the TB! template editor?

Thanks

Viele Grüße
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Possible IMAP problem in V2.11

[Phil]

Hi All,
I upgraded from 2.10.03 to 2.11 and everything seemed OK until I
rebooted my machine. From this point onwards I was unable to connect
to my ISP's IMAP server to read mail. I deleted the account and added
it again in case the settings were corrupted but was still unable to
connect. I tried re-installing 2.10.03 over the top of 2.11 (and was
surprised that this actually succeeded!) whereupon I was once again
able to connect to the IMAP server.
Has anyone else had similar problems with 2.11 or any suggestions as
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Re: Help! Something ate my mail!

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Robin,

@4-Jun-2004, 16:29 +1000 (04-Jun 07:29 UK time) Robin Anson [RA] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said to newsroom:

>> I checked C:\DOCUME~1\BARRYT~1\LOCALS~1\Temp\, but I have no idea why
>> The Bat! could not store the messages or why the earlier messages
>> disappeared.  Does anyone have any thoughts?

RA> Not sure why it would have deleted the earlier messages though,
RA> unless TB! got as far as deleting the inbox file prior to
RA> writing an updated one, but was prevented from writing the
RA> updated file by the virus checker detecting the virus in the
RA> attachment.

Precisely! The inbox TBB file contains the embryonic virus infected
message and can no longer be accessed. I recommend that Barry use a
less draconian anti-virus solution or find a way of exempting files
at the TMP level.

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spell checker

[Roland Burger]

Hi,

what can be the matter that I don't have automatic spell checker? I have installed 
intpack.msi, What is OKB and where I can get it?

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