Re[3]: Icons in TB! v3 are too large

[Lynn]

Monday, September 6, 2004, 11:39:48 PM, you wrote:


ASK> The time of 14" CRT screens is over. ;-)

I've got 19", but a lot of the glyphs were too small to
be workable.

If I run it higher than 1024X768 I can't read it, even
with glasses .. some of us aren't 18 any more :-)

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BayesIT! Doesn't filter the spam as junk

[Terrance Harris]

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I've fed the bayesIT lots of spam and ham:

Spam frequency dictionary:
°   C:\Documents and Settings\Terrance Harris\Application Data\The 
Bat!\bayesit\base\spamdict.bye
°   Size: 1373 letters.
°   Capacity: 84 words.
Non-spam frequency dictionary:
°   C:\Documents and Settings\Terrance Harris\Application Data\The 
Bat!\bayesit\base\nspamdict.bye
°   Size: 964 letters.
°   Capacity: 83507 words.
Current active base:
°   Active current base contains 28815 words.
°   Status: OK

Yet when I get mail it doesn't move it to the junk folder.
Anyone know why?

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Re[3]: What are the differences between The Bat! Home and Professional

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Marek,

Tuesday, September 7, 2004, 1:07:43 AM, you wrote:

> Rainbow iKey 1000

FYI: this one's OOP (or what it is called for hardware items *g*), the
successor is the iKey1032 (with 32kb).

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Re[2]: Icons in TB! v3 are too large

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Kevin,

Tuesday, September 7, 2004, 5:18:16 AM, you wrote:

>> Is there any way to change the size of the icons (glyphs) in TB!
>> v3? Even when I use a glyphs.bmp file, the icons are spread too far
>> apart and they take up too much screen space. Has anybody figured
>> out how to return their size to normal?

> You are absolutely right. It looks terrible, IMO.

No. I'm using 1280x1024 and the icons all do look just right.

The time of 14" CRT screens is over. ;-)

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Re: I love BayesIT!

[Allister Jenks]

Tuesday, September 7, 2004, 12:56:34 PM, Michael wrote:

MLW> No Bayes based filter will ever be 100% perfect.  I believe, however,
MLW> that BayesIT is a very good implementation of the Bayes calculations.

It is such a shame, then, that it stuffs up many peoples' systems,
including mine.

If anyone would care to actually investigate why it does this and fix
it, I would seriously consider switching back.  POPFile *is* slow, but
it works.  Also, all those folks looking at abandoning TB! can switch to
whichever mail client and not lose all the training.

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Re: CPU & memory usage

[Clive Taylor]

> There is also a memory leak.  After the last paragraph I checked my
>   usage, which was at about 66mb. Closed it down, and it was about 24mb
>   when I re-opened.  Right now it's just above 22!

There does appear to be  leak. 15 minutes after opening TB at around
14Mb, it's now up to 29Mb peak mem usage. I'll continue to monitor
this.
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CPU & memory usage

[Doug Weller]

Hello,

  Can I ask people to monitor their cpu usage? Although at the moment
  and for the last 5 minutes it's been taking only 1 or 2% of cpu time,
  just before that, while I was doing nothing, it was up to 98%.  I
  can't figure out what is going on, and I am apparently not the only
  one that is experiencing this.

  There is also a memory leak.  After the last paragraph I checked my
  usage, which was at about 66mb. Closed it down, and it was about 24mb
  when I re-opened.  Right now it's just above 22!

  Doug running XP Pro SP1 and the release version of 3.0

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Re: Bouncing Emails

[Doug Weller]

I'm not at all sure bouncing emails is a good thing. How often will they
bounce to the correct address?  Why add to the amount of junk?

And, of course, if you bounce an email where a virus has added someone
else's address to the headers, won't you be bouncing it back to an
innocent victim? That happens to me already quite enough thank you. :-)

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Re: Junk Mail Folder Failure

[WL]

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 19:46:19 -0500, Bill McCarthy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I've set Keep mail in base for (days): 0
> On exit its set to remove old messages and compress the
> folder.
> 
> Closing and restarting TB finds mail still in the Junk mail
> folder - some of it several days old.  I've tried setting
> the days to 1 but still nothing gets removed.

> This is true in 3, beta 6 & 7.  Bug or feature?

I'm still on v2, so this may be different, etc.  Make sure
the Account Property -> Mail Management -> Deletion
``Purge Unread messages'' is checked.

WL

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[Quin Selman]

Hello tbudl,

  A decent description of v.3's features:

  http://www.desktoppipeline.com/showArticle.jhtml?articleId=46200532

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Re: Icons in TB! v3 are too large

[M i c C u l l e n]

On Tuesday, September 7, 2004 @ 11:18:16 AM, Kevin Amazon wrote:

[snips]

>> Is there any way to change the size of the icons (glyphs) in TB! v3?
>> Even when I use a glyphs.bmp file, the icons are spread too far apart
>> and they take up too much screen space. Has anybody figured out how to
>> return their size to normal?

Kevin> You are absolutely right. It looks terrible, IMO.

I think it looks OK, but the lack of customisation of the toolbar is poor,
IMHO.

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Re: Version3 ?!

[Kevin Amazon]

Hi MAU

-
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, at 12:35:56 [GMT +0200] (which was 3:35 AM where I
live) you wrote:

> You are not going to find anything better out
> there at the moment. Maybe prettier, but not better.

That depends on what you define as better. As an example, if one is
looking for a robust IMAP client, there are several clients that are
better. If one has their own server that can filter messages, TB's
strength in this area isn't as important. No matter how you look at
it, V3 is very buggy but, to each their own.


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Re: Icons in TB! v3 are too large

[Kevin Amazon]

Hi Bob

-
On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, at 22:40:21 [GMT -0400] (which was 7:40 PM where I
live) you wrote:
> Is there any way to change the size of the icons (glyphs) in TB! v3?
> Even when I use a glyphs.bmp file, the icons are spread too far apart
> and they take up too much screen space. Has anybody figured out how to
> return their size to normal?

You are absolutely right. It looks terrible, IMO.

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Re[6]: Version3 ?!

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Cristina,

On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 you wrote in 

CR> In another message you refered that you knew Lisbon and I thought you
CR> had come for the EURO 2004!

Ah, so that message did get through! It didn't show here, don't know
why, so that's why I doubled up with the comment :-)

What's Euro 2004? Football? If so not interested I'm afraid :-(

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Re: Junk Mail Folder Failure

[Bill McCarthy]

On Mon 6-Sep-04 8:01pm -0400, Michael L. Wilson wrote:

> On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Bill mused about "Junk Mail Folder Failure" (at
> least in part):

BM>> I've set Keep mail in base for (days): 0
BM>> On exit its set to remove old messages and compress the
BM>> folder.

> My experience is that 0 days means disable.  I set mine to 1 and it is
> cleaned up the next day, no problem.

Nah, disable is accomplished by not checking the box.  Zero
days means delete on exit.  I have seen zero mean infinity,
but only when there was no check box.

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Re[5]: Version3 ?!

[Cristina Ramos]

Hello Richard,

Tuesday, September 7, 2004, 3:08:15 AM, you wrote:

RW> By the way I love Lisbon. Been there twice with Scottish Opera!


Thanks! I do love it too, but I've lived here since I was born. :)

In another message you refered that you knew Lisbon and I thought you
had come for the EURO 2004!

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Re[4]: Version3 ?!

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Cristina,

On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 you wrote in 

CR> I have read so many messages complaining about TB, I was feeling
CR> rather lonely. I have a confession: I do like the new toolbars, the
CR> smilies, the photos on the headers and

I think that, when things are going well, people smile and keep quiet
but the moment things start going even slightly wrong then the moans
start and, like an avalanche, it gains momentum picking others up on the
way down.

That's not to say TB! doesn't have its faults as any programme does but
some people seem to want it to do what THEY want and not have the
features that others might appreciate in their own way too. For instance
I hate HTML mail so just never use it but, occasionally, I get news that
is important to me and need to read it in HTML and then I'm glad that
TB! caters for it. Most things can be switched off if you don't like
them.

By the way I love Lisbon. Been there twice with Scottish Opera!

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Re: Bouncing Emails

[DZ-Jay]

Some time around 09/01/2004 16:33:51, I think I heard Pete Holsberg say:
> To me, the thing that sets TheBat is its ability to bounce (in addition to forward) 
> emails.

> I don't see that in Mozilla, Thunderbird, but it is there (sort of) in Outlook.

> What other email clients have the ability to bounce emails?

> Thanks.

Mutt, Eudora Pro.

-dZ.

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Re[2]: Bouncing Emails

[Cristina Ramos]

Hello David,

Monday, September 6, 2004, 6:48:59 PM, you wrote:

DE> Hi Pete,

PH>> What other email clients have the ability to bounce emails?

DE> That I know of, Pegasus.


Incredimail, too.

But I didn't know TB could do it!

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Re[3]: Version3 ?!

[Cristina Ramos]

Hello Richard,

Monday, September 6, 2004, 10:38:40 PM, you wrote:


RW> Each to their own and TB! gives everyone the chance to customise to
RW> their taste. I reckon that's a plus but, due to the fractious nature of
RW> many at this present time, I'll probably be shot down in flames ;-)

Glad to read this.
I have read so many messages complaining about TB, I was feeling
rather lonely. I have a confession: I do like the new toolbars, the
smilies, the photos on the headers and


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Re: Bouncing Emails

[Chris]

Richard H. Stoddard @ 2004-Sep-6 8:10:26 PM
"Bouncing Emails" 

>> To me, the thing that sets TheBat is its ability to bounce (in
>> addition to forward) emails.
> I seem to missing something here - how do I bounce e-mails? I get
> enough scams (not spam) that it would be nice to bounce them.

I too seem to be missing this feature. Perhaps he is referring to the
"Redirect" feature. That only program I know of that bounces mail is
MailWasher.

Take a look at http://www.419eater.com/ if you want a good chuckle...

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Re: Bouncing Emails

[Kevin Amazon]

Hi Pete Holsberg

-
On Wed, 1 Sep 2004, at 16:33:51 [GMT -0400] (which was 1:33 PM where I
live) you wrote:

> What other email clients have the ability to bounce emails?

Mulberry


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Re: Junk Mail Folder Failure

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Hello Bill,

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004, Bill mused about "Junk Mail Folder Failure" (at
least in part):

BM> I've set Keep mail in base for (days): 0
BM> On exit its set to remove old messages and compress the
BM> folder.

My experience is that 0 days means disable.  I set mine to 1 and it is
cleaned up the next day, no problem.

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Teacher

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I love BayesIT!

[Michael L. Wilson]

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Hi,

I used to use spampal and popfile.  I found that mail collection was
very slow and sometimes hung both the bat and the proxy program.

So, back when BayesIT was 5.3 or so, I decided to try it.  I did not
train it at all.  As emails came in, I categorized them as junk or
not.  After three days or so, it was up to 98% accuracy.  It still
makes a mistake, but it is 1 per 1000 emails or less.

In addition, and this is what is amazing, BayesIT has sped up email
collection by at least 300%.  The speed difference is noticeable and
amazing.

No Bayes based filter will ever be 100% perfect.  I believe, however,
that BayesIT is a very good implementation of the Bayes calculations.

Since the 5.10 or so, I have added the discussion and newsletter
groups to the whitelist, which has sped up mail collection even more.
This list generates a hundred or more email a day, and those are just
passed through BayesIT, and not counted in the totals.

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Junk Mail Folder Failure

[Bill McCarthy]

Hello TB User Discussion List,

The new Junk mail folder doesn't delete old mail.

I've set Keep mail in base for (days): 0
On exit its set to remove old messages and compress the
folder.

Closing and restarting TB finds mail still in the Junk mail
folder - some of it several days old.  I've tried setting
the days to 1 but still nothing gets removed.

This is true in 3, beta 6 & 7.  Bug or feature?

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Re[2]: BayesIT and BayesFilter

[Neal Laugman]

Hi TBUDL,

BM> On Mon 6-Sep-04 3:52pm -0400, Neal Laugman wrote:

PJ>>> Thanks; any tips on how to successfully get BayesIT
PJ>>> installed?

>>  This is the problem; I have this addressed along
>> with several other testers on TBBETA with no answer yet.

BM> I've had no problem with installing it.  v3 comes with it
BM> located in, usually, C:\Program Files\The Bat!\BayesIt.

BM> That version is 0.6.0.  There's a newer version available
BM> at:
BM>http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit061.rar

Thanks for taking the time to list the steps. Unfortunaly I am all too
familiar with it;) but things will work themselves out eventually.
Only so much time during the day to fight with things, eh?

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Re: Bouncing Emails

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Pete,

Thursday, September 2, 2004, 1:33:51 AM, you wrote:

PH> To me, the thing that sets TheBat is its ability to bounce
PH> (in addition to forward) emails.

I seem to missing something here - how do I bounce e-mails? I get
enough scams (not spam) that it would be nice to bounce them.

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Re: BayesIT and BayesFilter

[Andre Wichartz]

Hello Paul,

On 7 Sep 2004 at 23:23:19 +0100 GMT [00:23 CEST] you wrote:

PJ> So I have to retrain each time I upgrade the BayesIT plugin.  That
PJ> seems rather painful.

No. Only when upgrading from v0.4 or older.

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Re: search for certain strings in mail body?

[Marck D Pearlstone]

Dear Ralph,

@6-Sep-2004, 22:53 +0200 (06-Sep 21:53 UK time) Ralph [R] in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] said:

R> is it possible to search for certain strings in the body of a mail and
R> use it somehow?

Yes. The RegEx macros are used for this sort of purpose on a regular
(expression) basis.

R> e.g. onetwosold (austrian equivalent to ebay): i get the mail from
R> them containing info that article x with price y was sold to customer
R> z.

R> what i want to do now, is to auto-generate an answer and send it to
R> the customer, with the info used in the new mail, e.g. "Hello z, you
R> bought x for y ..."

Hello %TOFNAME, you bought %REGEXPTEXT="article (.*) with price" %-
for %REGEXPTEXT="with price (.*) was sold" ...

Just to implement you exact example ...

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Re[4]: BayesIT and BayesFilter

[Paul Jansen]

> The key there
> seems to be to completely remove all traces of the old one before
> installing and trying to train the new one.

So I have to retrain each time I upgrade the BayesIT plugin.  That
seems rather painful.  I think I'll try the Bayes Filter for a while
and see how that goes.

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Re[2]: What are the differences between The Bat! Home and Professional

[Marek Mikus]

Hello all,
Tuesday, September 7, 2004, JakeLM wrote:

>> In case you have not seen it
>> http://www.ritlabs.com/kb/idx/0/076/article/

> Thanks Mau for this info!
> Just a newbie question, i have upgraded from TB v2 to TB v3
> Professional, i will wait for the support on-the-fly encryption ( i
> need it on my notebook and @work) but for the hardware authentication
> i have to buy a etoken from alladin or i can use any usb storage key
> ??

Ritlabs  supports  Alladin  eToken  and Rainbow iKey 1000 token, AFAIK
Alladin  is  supported  right now in TB Pro, Rainbox token support and
on-the-fly encryption will be added soon.

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Re: What are the differences between The Bat! Home and Professional

[JakeLM]

On Tue, 7 Sep 2004 00:48:20 +0200, MAU <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> In case you have not seen it
> http://www.ritlabs.com/kb/idx/0/076/article/

Thanks Mau for this info!
Just a newbie question, i have upgraded from TB v2 to TB v3
Professional, i will wait for the support on-the-fly encryption ( i
need it on my notebook and @work) but for the hardware authentication
i have to buy a etoken from alladin or i can use any usb storage key
??
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What are the differences between The Bat! Home and Professional

[MAU]

Hello all,

In case you have not seen it

http://www.ritlabs.com/kb/idx/0/076/article/

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Re[2]: Bouncing Emails

[Michael Schneider]

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PH>> What other email clients have the ability to bounce emails?

DE> That I know of, Pegasus.

PMMail

Mike
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Slow when MailTicker active

[Charlie]

Composed on 9/6/04, at 11:16 PM GMT

I've not really noticed any problems (so far) with Ver 3 except for a
noticeable slow down associated with an active MailTicker.

For example. This happens when writing an email, and new mail arrives
which activates the MailTicker. If I choose ignore the new mail and
continue writing the email, or making address book entries etc,
actions such as spell checking or right mouse activated options
temporarily freeze TB! for about 10 to 15 seconds. This is something
that my previous versions have never done.

Is there a setting within the TB! that I can change (apart from
de-activating the MailTicker) that will cure this annoying problem?

Charlie

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Re: Photo handles

[Roelof Otten]

Hallo Cristina,

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 21:13:37 +0100GMT (6-9-2004, 22:13 +0200, where I
live), you wrote:

CR> Let's see if it's working now.

It is

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Re: Bouncing Emails

[David Earl]

Hi Pete,

PH> What other email clients have the ability to bounce emails?

That I know of, Pegasus.

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Re[3]: BayesIT and BayesFilter

[MikeD (3)]

Hello Paul,

Monday, September 6, 2004, 2:13:39 PM, you wrote:


PJ>>> Can anyone point me to info regarding BayesIT and BayesFilter.
PJ>>> What is the difference between them?

>> BayesIT will actually work if you can get it installed. I've never
>> been able to get the other one to do anything except grab program
>> focus for a couple of seconds and then give me a OK dialog that needs
>> to be dismissed saying, "One messages processed".

PJ> Thanks; any tips on how to successfully get BayesIT installed?

Mostly it is a YMMV sort of thing at the moment.  You install it and
it works well or it does not.

I have it (BayesIt 0.6.1) working on my system. I had some early
problems because I installed it over an older version. The key there
seems to be to completely remove all traces of the old one before
installing and trying to train the new one. If you have never
installed it, you may not have any problems. But as others have said,
they did. It is it is a problem for you, it is easy enough to remove
it and wait to see if the next release helps you.


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Re: What's the best way to set up POPFile with The Bat!

[Doug Weller]

Hi Alexander,


Monday, September 6, 2004, 9:45:09 PM, you wrote:

Alexander> Hello Doug Weller,

Alexander> 06-Sep-2004 20:37, you wrote:

>> I'm thinking particularly about whether it is best to have it edit the
>> subject line or add an x-header, but any other tips will be welcome!

Alexander> I don't like the subjects to be altered (you have to think of it each time
Alexander> when you reply/forward unless you clean the subject in TB! with a
Alexander> regex-enhanced template for replies and forwards) - obviously, I'm using
Alexander> the x-text-classification header. :)

I agree.  My ISP filters spam and adds a header which I can configure,
but I think I shall turn that off as I hate having ham which has
[probable spam] in the subject line!

Alexander> This has other advantages: you can configure TB! to show the header, as
Alexander> well as the reclassification URL of PopFile in the header pane of the
Alexander> preview window, thus checking wether the
Alexander> classification is correct and, in
Alexander> case PopFile made a wrong classification,
Alexander> reclassify is only one click
Alexander> away. *nice*

Good idea.


>> Can I expect it to be faster then the current default plugin in V3.0?

Alexander> Depending on how much mail you get (well, being
Alexander> on this list alone brings
Alexander> quite some each day ATM...) it may be slower (but I used BayesIt only a
Alexander> very short time). After all PopFile is written in Perl, and Bayes analysis
Alexander> requires a database (mine is 1.4MB right now).

I hope it's not slower, filtering seems to be slowing down email
delivery right now for me.  And my wife's is terrible, 23 emails taking
3 minutes, I have no idea why as she has a very small database. She's
using v.3 also but that made no difference, nor did getting rid of the
dozen .tmp files, compressing, etc.

Alexander> And be aware that PopFile can be quite a resource hog - using concurrent
Alexander> POP connections results in 100% CPU-load peaks
Alexander> during mail retrieval, and
Alexander> memory usage is something like 20MB here, always.

Alexander> Another note: of course, every Bayes filter
Alexander> requires training - it needs to
Alexander> know which messages is spam, which is ham, at
Alexander> least (but keeping only spam
Alexander> and ham apart is not all PopFile will do for you, of course). That is so
Alexander> much easier in PopFile with the use of magnets. For example, set up a
Alexander> magnet that will put every mail from this list
Alexander> into a bucket "genuine" (or
Alexander> whatever you want to call it) - PopFile learns
Alexander> from every magneted message
Alexander> and you have a big "ham" database in no time.

I hall do that, good idea.

[SNIP]

Thanks to everyone who replied.

Doug


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Re[2]: Version3 ?!

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Mary,

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 you wrote in 

MB> Indeed, I hope not, Richard!! The paragraphs preceding the one above
MB> in your post were clearly, courteously, and cogently put.

Bless you :-)

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Re: BayesIT and BayesFilter

[Bill McCarthy]

On Mon 6-Sep-04 3:52pm -0400, Neal Laugman wrote:

PJ>> Thanks; any tips on how to successfully get BayesIT
PJ>> installed?

>  This is the problem; I have this addressed along
> with several other testers on TBBETA with no answer yet.

I've had no problem with installing it.  v3 comes with it
located in, usually, C:\Program Files\The Bat!\BayesIt.

That version is 0.6.0.  There's a newer version available
at:
   http://www.ritlabs.com/download/bayesit/bayesit061.rar

The newer version has two new files, bayesit.INC and
bayesit.LNC.  It's missing the language file: bayesit.lng.
So when I upgraded, I moved the files to a new subdirectory
I called 060, UNRARed to the BayesIt directory and copied
the missing language file from my 060 directory.

You install by selecting Options/Preferences then select
Anti-Spam on the left.  The Anti-Spam plugin box will be
empty (because you haven't installed yet, or you moved the
files and deleted the 0.6.0 plugin).

Click add and select the plugin.  Select it and configure
it.  Click on "Do you speak.." and make sure the language
file is selected.  Click on Options and see where its
placing its files and the log.  Click OK - you're mostly
done.

Finish the options under Anit-spam.  I kept "Out of 100..."
as Average and I checked "Move a message.." (as 60) "Mark
stored..." and "Move message...".  Then click OK again.

For convenience, hit Alt-F12 (Tools/Edit shortcut..) to pick
a shortcut for Mark as junk (under Special).

I believe that's all I did and it seems to be working OK.
However I haven't been using it long enough to give an
opinion on how well it does its job.

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Re: Version3 ?!

[Mary Bull]

Hello Richard!

On Monday, September 06, 2004, 4:38 PM, you wrote:

RW> Each to their own and TB! gives everyone the chance to customise
RW> to their taste. I reckon that's a plus but, due to the fractious
RW> nature of many at this present time, I'll probably be shot down in
RW> flames ;-)

Indeed, I hope not, Richard!! The paragraphs preceding the one above
in your post were clearly, courteously, and cogently put.

It's just a matter of learning to manage the features. And for that,
help is always available here on tbudl.

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Re: What's the best way to set up POPFile with The Bat!

[MAU]

Hello Alexander,

> JFYI: I have seven buckets in PopFile (english, german, spam, invoices,
> newsletters, ebay, orders) and run the program since 21-Jul-2004. Accuracy
> is 98.51% at the moment, with a total of 4313 messages classified and 64
> classification errors.

Similarly to you I use 9 buckets, two of them for Spanish and English,
and this my performance:

Classification Accuracy
Messages classified: 192,991 
Classification errors: 323
Accuracy: 99.83% 

I use one of the buckets as a virus _detector_  and, including the
training period, this are the results so far:

Bucket virus
Messages classified: 8,219 (4.25%)
False Positives: 21
False negatives: 56

And it hasn't had any wrong classification in many months now.

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Re[2]: Version3 ?!

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Robin,

On Thu, 2 Sep 2004 you wrote in 

RA> Smileys I
RA> don't want, pretty pictures in the header area??

Then right click in the message and unselect them. Smilies are
everywhere and in all forms of messaging, it's just that TB! has the
capability to convert them to pretty pictures - your choice whether you
see them or not. The same with the senders pictures (or yours for that
matter as it's showing here so you can't be too averse to it and you
must have uploaded it to the rogues gallery). Right click in the header
and uncheck header photo. This way TB! caters for everyone without
wasting any bandwidth in sending as the photos and smiley icons are
taken from your PC when you downloaded them.

I have editied my smiley list because, like you, I find a lot of them a
waste of time but I do like the common ones in picture form.

Each to their own and TB! gives everyone the chance to customise to
their taste. I reckon that's a plus but, due to the fractious nature of
many at this present time, I'll probably be shot down in flames ;-)

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Re: quoting only selected text

[Mica Mijatovic]

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> In newer versions of TB!, is it possible to 'reply all' while quoting
> only selected text?

Right click on the preview pane: Message > Reply to All quoting selected
text. (In v2.12)

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Re: Version3 ?!

[Robin Anson]

Ha! Not only is Ritlabs giving us a hard time with the release of V3, now
TBUDL won't display messages I sent!!

On Wed 1 September 2004, 20:35:56 +1000, Mau wrote:
>> I think I will stick with 2.12 and look for another client :(
> 
> If you don't want to upgrade for whatever reason, I suggest you stay
> with 2.12 (bugs included). You are not going to find anything better out
> there at the moment. Maybe prettier, but not better.

I think I will go back to v2.11, 2.12 frequently stalls and fails to
respond to me, won't display messages in folders and for what? Smileys I
don't want, pretty pictures in the header area?? No thanks!

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Re: adress book & makros

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Ralph,

06-Sep-2004 22:47, you wrote:

> somebody i don't have in my adress book writes me, i add them to adress
> book and reply - but i want to reply with e.g. "Hello firstname
> lastname," with the info from the adress book and not the name, the
> sender of the to be replied mail uses, e.g., if he / she doesn't use a
> name after all, i just have "Hello emailadress,"...

You maybe already have an adress book group for your customers (if not,
create one). Simply open the properties of that group and adjust the
templates for new messages and/or replies, using macros that pull the
information from the adress book (like %ABFromFName, etc. - refer to the
helpfile section "Macros").


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search for certain strings in mail body?

[Ralph]

Hello,

is it possible to search for certain strings in the body of a mail and
use it somehow?

e.g. onetwosold (austrian equivalent to ebay): i get the mail from
them containing info that article x with price y was sold to customer
z.

what i want to do now, is to auto-generate an answer and send it to
the customer, with the info used in the new mail, e.g. "Hello z, you
bought x for y ..."

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Re[3]: BayesIT and BayesFilter

[Neal Laugman]

Paul,


PJ>>> Can anyone point me to info regarding BayesIT and BayesFilter.
PJ>>> What is the difference between them?

>> BayesIT will actually work if you can get it installed. I've never
>> been able to get the other one to do anything except grab program
>> focus for a couple of seconds and then give me a OK dialog that needs
>> to be dismissed saying, "One messages processed".

PJ> Thanks; any tips on how to successfully get BayesIT installed?

 This is the problem; I have this addressed along with several
other testers on TBBETA with no answer yet. The next thing on my list
is to do a complete re-install of v3 and get it working. I don't think
the latest Bayesit will even be recognized as a plugin by the TB
v3.0.6 so don't even try it. I believe bayesit v061 will work with TB
v3.0 as an upgrade from what is originally supplied with the full
version of TB. That's all I know for now.

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Re: Connections failing...

[Mary Bull]

Hello admin!

On Monday, September 06, 2004, 11:42 AM, you wrote:

MB>> Would you want to consider using BayesFilter?

MB>> So far no one using BayesFilter has reported a problem, as far as
MB>> my reading and memory go.

aacu> As I suggested in my posting - I've tried BayesIt but have
^^^

aacu> ditched it because it freezes the connecion centre completely
aacu> leaving CTRL-ALT-DEL as the only way out.

BayesFilter is not the same thing as BayesIt.

People who had the behavior you describe reported that they do not
have that difficulty using BayesFilter.

In mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
Kevin Coates said:

"Using an alternative called Bayes Filter Plugin 1.5.2, I do not
experience this problem.

http://www.lkcc.org:8500/index.php  ."

I went to that URL just now to see what it said. Found this (partial
quote). It is Achim's page:

 "30.09.04 I released a new version (v1.5.2) of the Bayes Filter Plugin
 with many new features and bugfixes. Please read the The Bat! section
 for more information!"

Of course, as Alexander Kunz pointed out to me in this thread, you may
not want a plug-in, since you prefer PopFile.

If so, I apologize for taking up your time. As I said, up to now, I
don't have any Spam offered to me on the Message Dispatcher--at most
one or two a week.

But the threads on tbbeta in regard to the BayesIt freeze all indicate
that using BayesFilter instead fixes that problem.

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adress book & makros

[Ralph]

Hello,

i use TB a lot for online auctions and make adress book entries for
all my customers.

What i want to do, but can't figure out how to, is the following:

somebody i don't have in my adress book writes me, i add them to
adress book and reply - but i want to reply with e.g. "Hello
firstname lastname," with the info from the adress book and not the
name, the sender of the to be replied mail uses, e.g., if he / she
doesn't use a name after all, i just have "Hello emailadress,"...

I hope, i made myself clear, what i want to do and someone can help
me...

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Re[5]: Photo handles

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Cristina,

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 you wrote in 

CR> Meanwhile Richard's message solved that doubt. I can see my picrute
CR> now.

Yup, all in the nice sunshine too. A lovely city Lisbon.

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Re: What's the best way to set up POPFile with The Bat!

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Doug Weller,

06-Sep-2004 20:37, you wrote:

> I'm thinking particularly about whether it is best to have it edit the
> subject line or add an x-header, but any other tips will be welcome!

I don't like the subjects to be altered (you have to think of it each time
when you reply/forward unless you clean the subject in TB! with a
regex-enhanced template for replies and forwards) - obviously, I'm using
the x-text-classification header. :)

This has other advantages: you can configure TB! to show the header, as
well as the reclassification URL of PopFile in the header pane of the
preview window, thus checking wether the classification is correct and, in
case PopFile made a wrong classification, reclassify is only one click
away. *nice*


> Can I expect it to be faster then the current default plugin in V3.0?

Depending on how much mail you get (well, being on this list alone brings
quite some each day ATM...) it may be slower (but I used BayesIt only a
very short time). After all PopFile is written in Perl, and Bayes analysis
requires a database (mine is 1.4MB right now).

And be aware that PopFile can be quite a resource hog - using concurrent
POP connections results in 100% CPU-load peaks during mail retrieval, and
memory usage is something like 20MB here, always.

Another note: of course, every Bayes filter requires training - it needs to
know which messages is spam, which is ham, at least (but keeping only spam
and ham apart is not all PopFile will do for you, of course). That is so
much easier in PopFile with the use of magnets. For example, set up a
magnet that will put every mail from this list into a bucket "genuine" (or
whatever you want to call it) - PopFile learns from every magneted message
and you have a big "ham" database in no time.

JFYI: I have seven buckets in PopFile (english, german, spam, invoices,
newsletters, ebay, orders) and run the program since 21-Jul-2004. Accuracy
is 98.51% at the moment, with a total of 4313 messages classified and 64
classification errors.

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Re: CSAPI spell checker

[Mark Wieder]

MAU-

Monday, September 6, 2004, 10:45:19 AM, you wrote:

Wow. Thanks.

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Re[4]: Photo handles

[Cristina Ramos]

Hello Mark,

Monday, September 6, 2004, 9:07:35 PM, you wrote:


 
MP> Anyway, there isn't an X-Rogue headerfield in your message (look at the
MP> header with Ctrl-Shift-K).

MP> Now look at my message, and you will see one.

As a matter of fact I had notice the difference between the headers
and was wondering how you had that headerfield.

Meanwhile Richard's message solved that doubt. I can see my picrute
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Re[2]: BayesIT and BayesFilter

[Paul Jansen]

PJ>> Can anyone point me to info regarding BayesIT and BayesFilter.
PJ>> What is the difference between them?

> BayesIT will actually work if you can get it installed. I've never
> been able to get the other one to do anything except grab program
> focus for a couple of seconds and then give me a OK dialog that needs
> to be dismissed saying, "One messages processed".

Thanks; any tips on how to successfully get BayesIT installed?

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Re[4]: Photo handles

[Cristina Ramos]

Hello Richard,

Monday, September 6, 2004, 8:56:27 PM, you wrote:


RW> Have you also put the following in
RW> Options/Preferences/Message headers?
RW> :

RW> Click on add and put under "Display As" and "RFC" X-Rogue. Say no to
RW> address list and Scroll and yes to Editor.


No I hadn't.
Thanks.

Let's see if it's working now.

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Re[3]: Photo handles

[Mark Partous]

Hello Cristina,

Monday, September 6, 2004, 9:41:20 PM, you wrote:


MP>> It's best to put the following into your template:
MP>> %SetHeader("X-Rogue",":Puella63:")%-


CR> I must be doing something wrong because it's not working.
CR> Here is my Template:

CR> %SetHeader("X-Rogue",":Puella63:")%-
CR> Hello %OFromFName,

Do you use a folder-template?
I mean a template that is specifically used in 1 folder?
And if so, is the line
%SetHeader("X-Rogue",":Puella63:")%-
in it?

I guess you are actually using another template than the one you inserted in
your message. Or, at least, there is one that overwrites the result of the
one you showed us.
 
Anyway, there isn't an X-Rogue headerfield in your message (look at the
header with Ctrl-Shift-K).

Now look at my message, and you will see one.


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Re[3]: Photo handles

[Richard Wakeford]

Hello Cristina,

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 you wrote in 

CR> I must be doing something wrong because it's not working.
CR> Here is my Template:

Have you also put the following in Options/Preferences/Message headers?
:

Click on add and put under "Display As" and "RFC" X-Rogue. Say no to
address list and Scroll and yes to Editor.

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Re: Smilies

[Martin Webster]

 
Hello Kathy,

On 06 September 2004, 15:11 -0400 (06/09/200420:11 local time) Kathy
Dunham [KD] in mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

KD> I know this is probably a silly question, but how does one use
KD> smilies?  Sorry if this has been covered over and over, but I can't
KD> seem to find it within all of the thousands of messages :-)

Right-click in the preview pane and check Smileys.


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quoting only selected text

[Michael L. Cusac]

I'm using an old version of TB!, and the thing that most irritates me
about it is its clumsy handling of selected text for quoting when
replying.  I see there was a thread about this here a month or so
ago, but I can't find definitive answers there.

In newer versions of TB!, is it possible to 'reply all' while quoting
only selected text?   Better yet, is it possible to configure the
standard reply and forward keys so that if nothing is highlighted, the
entire message is quoted, but if anything is highlighted, only that
part is quoted? Or is there a macro for grabbing only selected text
rather than all of it?

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Re[2]: Photo handles

[Cristina Ramos]

Hello Mark,

Monday, September 6, 2004, 6:57:38 PM, you wrote:


MP> Hello Cristina,

MP> Monday, September 6, 2004, 7:40:30 PM, you wrote:

CR>> Hello,

CR>> I read about roguemoticons in http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/ and I
CR>> downloaded the zipfile with the photos.
CR>> But I don't see any photos as in the example on that page. What
CR>> happens is that now I see a small picture on the right side of the
CR>> message header.

CR>> I uploaded a photo of mine, but I don't know where I should write the
CR>> handle. Is it in the signature?

MP> It's best to put the following into your template:
MP> %SetHeader("X-Rogue",":Puella63:")%-


I must be doing something wrong because it's not working.
Here is my Template:

%SetHeader("X-Rogue",":Puella63:")%-
Hello %OFromFName,

%ODateEn, %OTimeLongEn, you wrote:

%Quotes
%Cursor

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 %THEBATVERSION

 
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Smilies

[Kathy Dunham]

Hello tbudl,

I know this is probably a silly question, but how does one use smilies?  Sorry if this 
has been covered over and over, but I can't seem to find it within all of the 
thousands of messages :-)

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Re: What's the best way to set up POPFile with The Bat!

[admin]

> Hello,

>   I'm thinking particularly about whether it is best to have it edit the
>   subject line or add an x-header, but any other tips will be wel

I make it alter the subject line so that:

a) I know what I am sending if I forward or reply to the email
(manually delete any addition)...

b) I can click on it to get directly to the change classificatiion
page of POPFile.

>   Can I expect it to be faster then the current default plugin in V3.0?

In my experience you can expect it to be 100 per cent faster. I./e:
BayesIt kills The Bat every time, POPFile doesn't. And I find POPFile
so much easier to control - I didn't have aclue what was going on with
BayesIt.

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Re: BayesIT and BayesFilter

[Chris Weaven]

Hi Paul,

On Monday, September 6, 2004 16:41 our local time, Paul Jansen [PJ]
wrote;

PJ> What is the difference between them?

I've been using BayesFilter for about a month now after using SpamPal
for a while and am extremely satisfied with the results. After training
it with about 850 spam mails and 2,000ish ham mails, it seems to work
really well for me!

I also use the DNS blacklist, which is a great feature that I loved from
SpamPal.

I installed the latest version on Saturday along with TB! V3, and my
stats so far are;

HamMails:  2475
SpamMails: 1683
Detected Ham:  1035 (99.9%)
Detected Spam: 840 (99.8%)
FALSE Ham detected:  1
FALSE Spam detected: 1

I can't really comment on Bayesit, but I did use it a while back, until
it decided to stop working after a TB! version upgrade.

Hope that helps ;-)
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Re: What's the best way to set up POPFile with The Bat!

[MAU]

Hello Doug,

> I'm thinking particularly about whether it is best to have it edit the
> subject line or add an x-header, but any other tips will be welcome!

Use x-header. You can filter on it just as well and, if you reply, you
don't "bother" anyone with a modified subject.

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Re: Tenure as List Moderator Ends

[Paul Berger]

Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED],

Wednesday, September 1, 2004, 10:05:32 PM, you wrote:

AM> Hello ,

AM> I knew that I'd eventually have to do this, but I didn't predict that
AM> it would be now, especially with all that has been recently happening.
AM> Though they may seem to be connected, they really aren't.

AM> I'll be stepping down as one of the moderators of the lists (TBUDL,
AM> TBBETA and TBTECH), effective as of now.

AM> Unfortunately, I can no longer consistently find the time, nor am I
AM> able to provide the sort of list coverage that I used to which has for
AM> some time, made moderating for me, very difficult. It's no longer the
AM> enjoyable, though, hard work it used to be and with this essential
AM> ingredient (enjoyment) missing, I thought it best to stop.

AM> It was not an easy decision to make since I've had some really good
AM> times moderating the lists over the years. I've made some special
AM> friendships, and it was really great assisting with running such a
AM> great effort which has improved support for many TB! users so that
AM> they can maximize their use of TB!.

AM> Note that I'll not be leaving the lists entirely. I'll still be
AM> around, but no longer as an official trouter.



Heartfelt thanks for all your help to us newbies over the years.

Without you and the rest of the team, I would have given up on The Bat
long ago.

As it is, The Bat does a great job.


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What's the best way to set up POPFile with The Bat!

[Doug Weller]

Hello,

  I'm thinking particularly about whether it is best to have it edit the
  subject line or add an x-header, but any other tips will be welcome!

  Can I expect it to be faster then the current default plugin in V3.0?

  Thanks.
  
  Doug

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Re: Weak...

[Bill McCarthy]

On Mon 6-Sep-04 1:15pm -0400, Stuart Cuddy wrote:

BM>> I looked for that option also.  If you're subscribed to the beta list,
BM>> you might want to post there also - but use a better subject line :-)

>  I don't believe it does, however you could try the following.
>
>  Set up BayesIt to move your Spam to the Junk folder. (Do not use a
>  common junk folder or this won't work.)
>
>  Do NOT let BayesIt mark as read.
>
>  Create a Read filter that sends the message to the Junk folder and is
>  set to "Delete Message from Server"
>
>  Now when you check your messages, to ensure they are Junk, they will
>  get marked as read, sent to you Junk folder and deleted from server.

Thanks Stuart, that appears to be a good solution.

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Re[2]: Weak...

[Stuart Cuddy]

Hello Bill,
Monday, September 6, 2004, 11:58:49 AM, you wrote:

BM> On Mon 6-Sep-04 7:36am -0400, Nick Dutton wrote:

>> Can anyone tell me if bayesit will allow me to remove messages marked
>> as spam from the server in v3?

BM> I looked for that option also.  If you're subscribed to the beta list,
BM> you might want to post there also - but use a better subject line :-)

 I don't believe it does, however you could try the following.

 Set up BayesIt to move your Spam to the Junk folder. (Do not use a
 common junk folder or this won't work.)

 Do NOT let BayesIt mark as read.

 Create a Read filter that sends the message to the Junk folder and is
 set to "Delete Message from Server"

 Now when you check your messages, to ensure they are Junk, they will
 get marked as read, sent to you Junk folder and deleted from server.

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Re[4]: Is there a printout or sample of all smileys?

[Lynn]

Monday, September 6, 2004, 10:48:30 AM, you wrote:

CR> It's in my wishlist at least. I keep forgetting to
CR> change the messages to TBUL to plain text and so I
CR> received several messages already saying that the
CR> content is not appropriate to the list. (The first
CR> time I thought I had used some foul language, which
CR> is not my habit at all).  :) 

I can't remember where to go to check the current status
of the wishlist, but someone hopefully will post it?

As text is my general default and I don't really need the
rtf editor it's not a huge issue for me, but I might use
it if I could use it selectively.

Lynn



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Re: Photo handles

[Mark Partous]

Hello Cristina,

Monday, September 6, 2004, 7:40:30 PM, you wrote:

CR> Hello,

CR> I read about roguemoticons in http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/ and I
CR> downloaded the zipfile with the photos.
CR> But I don't see any photos as in the example on that page. What
CR> happens is that now I see a small picture on the right side of the
CR> message header.

CR> I uploaded a photo of mine, but I don't know where I should write the
CR> handle. Is it in the signature?

It's best to put the following into your template:
%SetHeader("X-Rogue",":Puella63:")%-

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Re[2]: Connections failing...

[admin]

> Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED],

> 06-Sep-2004 18:43, you wrote:

>>> Have you tried dis-/enabling concurrent POP3 connections in the PopFile
>>> config?

>> Yep.

> OK.

> Windows XP - Service Pack 1 oder Service Pack 2? Could it be you installed
> SP2 and that happend just about the same time you updated TB? :-)

I have but it was happening before that as well...

> Limited number of simultaneous incomplete outbound TCP connection attempts

> Detailed description

> The TCP/IP stack now limits the number of simultaneous incomplete outbound
> TCP connection attempts. After the limit has been reached,
> subsequent...

> Maybe this applies to you?

As I said it is not happening since SP2.

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Re: History of sliced bread

[Neal Laugman]

Mark,

MW> http://desmoinesregister.com/extras/iowans/rohwedder.html

Didn't know that one and I grew up in the Quad Cities (Davenport).
Thank;)

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Re: BayesIT and BayesFilter

[Neal Laugman]

Hi Paul,

PJ> Can anyone point me to info regarding BayesIT and BayesFilter.
PJ> What is the difference between them?

BayesIT will actually work if you can get it installed. I've never
been able to get the other one to do anything except grab program
focus for a couple of seconds and then give me a OK dialog that needs
to be dismissed saying, "One messages processed".

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Re[3]: Is there a printout or sample of all smileys?

[Cristina Ramos]

Hello Lynn,

Monday, September 6, 2004, 7:16:24 AM, you wrote:


L> Would be very useful, though .. even it it had to be done
L> with a macro; there is really only one place I'd like to
L> use these things, almost all of my correspondents would
L> faint on the spot if they suddenly started getting
L> anything but plain text from me, and then there are these
L> lists which frown heartily on anything but plain text.

L> Wish list ..?

It's in my wishlist at least. I keep forgetting to change the messages to TBUL to 
plain text and so I received several messages already saying that the content is not 
appropriate to the list. (The first time I thought I had used some foul language, 
which is not my habit at all).  :) 

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Photo handles

[Cristina Ramos]

Hello,

I read about roguemoticons in http://www.pcwize.com/thebat/ and I
downloaded the zipfile with the photos.
But I don't see any photos as in the example on that page. What
happens is that now I see a small picture on the right side of the
message header.

I uploaded a photo of mine, but I don't know where I should write the
handle. Is it in the signature?

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Re: CSAPI spell checker

[MAU]

Hello Cyrille,

> Some ideas ?
> 
> If TB does not detect them automatically, is there a way to show TB!
> manually the path to the CSAPI spell checkers ?

I used the CSAPI Spanish and UK English spell checkers with Office 97
for some time without any problem. When I upgraded to Office 2000 I
could not use them on my desktop but didn't have a problem on my laptop.
Finally, when I upgraded to Office XP (which I use now) they wouldn't
work either on desktop or laptop.

I don't recall exactly where I got the solution from, probably from this
list a long time ago. The thing is that I have a "Proof.zip" file that
contains the following:

   mssp2_es.lex  (Spanish dic.)
   mssp2_en.lex  (UK English)
   Mssp232.dll   (CSAPI engine?)
   spelling.reg  (Registry keys for everything to work)

The dictionaries and the engine I think are from my Office 97 but, in
any case, better than the ones included with TB.

The registry key settings (or the idea or explanation on how to set
them) if what I got somewhere else. Maybe from this list, as I have
said, but not sure. What is sure is the I did not "invent' them.

Just a few weeks ago I got a new computer and installed everything from
scratch, including Office XP (i.e. I did not upgrade from 97 to 200 and
then to XP). Then I placed 'my' dictionaries and engine in the
directories called for in the registry settings in 'spelling.reg' and
finally imported 'spelling.reg into the Registry and I have full access
to both CSAPI dictionaries from TB.

I have not tried (yet) to use the equivalent dictionaries from Office
2000 or XP, but I assume they will not work. But who knows.

Anyway, if any wants to try (at your own risk, of course) this is the
content of my 'spelling.reg' (watch out for possible wrapping of long
lines either at my or your end):

Windows Registry Editor Version 5.00

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\Proofing Tools\Spelling]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\Proofing Tools\Spelling\1034]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\Proofing 
Tools\Spelling\1034\Normal]
"Engine"="C:\\Program Files\\Common Files\\Microsoft Shared\\Proof\\MSSP232.DLL"
"Dictionary"="C:\\Program Files\\Common Files\\Microsoft Shared\\Proof\\mssp2_es.lex"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\Proofing 
Tools\Spelling\1034\Normal\Clients]
"C:\\Program Files\\Common Files\\Microsoft Shared\\Proof\\MSSP232.DLL"=""

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\Proofing Tools\Spelling\2057]

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\Proofing 
Tools\Spelling\2057\Normal]
"Engine"="C:\\Program Files\\Common Files\\Microsoft Shared\\Proof\\mssp232.dll"
"Dictionary"="C:\\Program Files\\Common Files\\Microsoft Shared\\Proof\\mssp2_en.lex"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\Proofing 
Tools\Spelling\2057\Normal\Clients]
"C:\\Program Files\\Common Files\\Microsoft Shared\\Proof\\MSSP232.DLL"=""

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\Proofing Tools\Spelling\Vendor]
"Inso"="C:\\Program Files\\Common Files\\Microsoft Shared\\Proof\\MSSP232.DLL"

[HKEY_LOCAL_MACHINE\SOFTWARE\Microsoft\Shared Tools\Proofing 
Tools\Spelling\Vendor\Clients]
"C:\\Program Files\\Microsoft Office\\Office10\\WINWORD.EXE"=""

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Re: What is a natural email system?

[Chris]

dAniel hAhler @ 2004-Sep-5 4:04:29 PM
"What is a natural email system?" 

> As Alt-PgDn seems to be related to Space, which also scrolls down by
> one page, there is this very annoying behaviour, when it comes to
> the last page and it's been scrolled not by one page, but only the
> amount of lines so that the end of the mail is at bottom of the
> window.

> Very annoying, because you mostly lose the line you were reading
> when it comes to the last page of a mail.

I think that all programs should visually indicate where the last line
went when one scrolls. Perhaps the line could underlined for a moment
before fading out? But, this would only be useful if it were
implemented system wide...

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Re: Weak...

[Neal Laugman]

Hi TBUDL,

ND> Can anyone tell me if bayesit will allow me to remove messages marked
ND> as spam from the server in v3?

AFAIK and experienced it will not perform any server-side actions.

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Re: Mail disappearing after connection center hangs

[Kevin Coates]

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Hash: SHA1

Hi Richard,

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 20:07:46 +0500 (11:07 AM here), Richard H. Stoddard
[RHS] wrote in :

RHS> I'm going to try BayesFilter. I installed it and trained it with
RHS> a selection of SPAM and non-SPAM. (And deleted - at least for now
RHS> - BayesIt) Question - should I set all preferences in the filter
RHS> itself, or should I leave the setting for "Move to junk folder is
RHS> greater than..." in TB preferences?

For the most part, I kept the defaults in the filter itself. I did set
up a white list that included my mailing lists and my own addresses. I
changed the directory structure so BayesFilter and its logs and files
reside under /The Bat!. I found this makes it easier to clone my
notebook to my desktop using the 7zip archiver and a batch file. I
move suspected junk mail to the junk folder, rather than delete it.
This facilitates forwarding junk to SpamCop.

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Re: Weak...

[Bill McCarthy]

On Mon 6-Sep-04 7:36am -0400, Nick Dutton wrote:

> Can anyone tell me if bayesit will allow me to remove messages marked
> as spam from the server in v3?

I looked for that option also.  If you're subscribed to the beta list,
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Re: Connections failing...

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED],

06-Sep-2004 18:43, you wrote:

>> Have you tried dis-/enabling concurrent POP3 connections in the PopFile
>> config?

> Yep.

OK.

Windows XP - Service Pack 1 oder Service Pack 2? Could it be you installed
SP2 and that happend just about the same time you updated TB? :-)

Excerpt from
http://www.microsoft.com/technet/prodtechnol/winxppro/maintain/sp2netwk.mspx

--- cut ---

Limited number of simultaneous incomplete outbound TCP connection attempts

Detailed description

The TCP/IP stack now limits the number of simultaneous incomplete outbound
TCP connection attempts. After the limit has been reached, subsequent
connection attempts are put in a queue and will be resolved at a fixed
rate. Under normal operation, when applications are connecting to available
hosts at valid IP addresses, no connection rate-limiting will occur. When
it does occur, a new event, with ID 4226, appears in the system’s event
log.

Why is this change important? What threats does it help mitigate?

This change helps to limit the speed at which malicious programs, such as
viruses and worms, spread to uninfected computers. Malicious programs often
attempt to reach uninfected computers by opening simultaneous connections
to random IP addresses. Most of these random addresses result in a failed
connection, so a burst of such activity on a computer is a signal that it
may have been infected by a malicious program.

What works differently?

This change may cause certain security tools, such as port scanners, to run
more slowly.

How do I resolve these issues?

Stop the application that is responsible for the failing connection attempts.

--- cut ---

Maybe this applies to you?

Resolution (beware, non-MS, inofficial hack)
http://www.msfn.org/comments.php?shownews=9387


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Re[2]: Connections failing...

[admin]

> Hello Marten,

> Monday, September 6, 2004, 4:29:23 PM, you wrote:
a>> It works very well except that ever since v2 I have problems with
a>> connecting to the POP3 server(s).

a>> I need suggestions for what settings I might tweak methodically to
a>> isolate the cause of this behaviour.

> Have a look at this thread:

>   http://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=2676629

So now we need some definitive statement from someone that POPFile can
only handle 6 connections at once and ditches the rest.

That would fit with the behaviour.

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Re[2]: Connections failing...

[admin]

> Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED],

> 06-Sep-2004 17:29, you wrote:

> Have you tried dis-/enabling concurrent POP3 connections in the PopFile
> config?

Yep.

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Re[2]: Connections failing...

[admin]

> Hello Marten!

> Would you want to consider using BayesFilter?

> So far no one using BayesFilter has reported a problem, as far as my
> reading and memory go.

As I suggested in my posting - I've tried BayesIt but have ditched it
because it freezes the connecion centre completely leaving
CTRL-ALT-DEL as the only way out.

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History of sliced bread

[Mark Wieder]

Michael-

It's a twentieth-century thing:

http://desmoinesregister.com/extras/iowans/rohwedder.html

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BayesIT and BayesFilter

[Paul Jansen]

Hi,

Can anyone point me to info regarding BayesIT and BayesFilter.

What is the difference between them?

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Re: Connections failing...

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Mary Bull,

06-Sep-2004 17:50, you wrote:

aacu>> POPFile. < ... >

> Would you want to consider using BayesFilter?

But anyone who used PopFile will never return to any mean spam-filtering
plugin... :-P


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Re: Connections failing...

[Nick Dutton]

Hello Marten,

Monday, September 6, 2004, 4:29:23 PM, you wrote:
a> It works very well except that ever since v2 I have problems with
a> connecting to the POP3 server(s).

a> I need suggestions for what settings I might tweak methodically to
a> isolate the cause of this behaviour.

Have a look at this thread:

  http://sourceforge.net/forum/message.php?msg_id=2676629

I don't know how accurate this information is, but I've got "Allow
concurrent POP3 connections:" turned on in Popfile, but only check a
measly 5 accounts.


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Re: Connections failing...

[Mary Bull]

Hello Marten!

On Monday, September 06, 2004, 10:29 AM, you wrote:

aacu> I have v3 and the new filter system transferred from v2 like a
aacu> dream and works beautifully. Well worth the upgrade fee alone.

So glad to hear that you're pleased.

aacu> However - query:
aacu> This has always applied since I started using POPFile.
aacu> Note: BayesIt kept freezing connection centre so I ditched it for
aacu> POPFile. < ... >

Would you want to consider using BayesFilter?

Quoting from Kevin Coates in
mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]  :

"Using an alternative called Bayes Filter Plugin 1.5.2, I do not
experience this problem.

http://www.lkcc.org:8500/index.php  "

As I've been writing on that thread, I have never used any Spam
filter, because my needs are different from yours and most other TB!
users, but I've followed the threads on the subject both here and on
tbbeta, in case I ever do need one.

Replying to your post here in case what little I know might help. :)

So far no one using BayesFilter has reported a problem, as far as my
reading and memory go.

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Re: Connections failing...

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello [EMAIL PROTECTED],

06-Sep-2004 17:29, you wrote:

> It works very well except that ever since v2 I have problems with
> connecting to the POP3 server(s).

Have you tried dis-/enabling concurrent POP3 connections in the PopFile
config?

With 40 accounts... sheeesh... :-)

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Re: Mail disappearing after connection center hangs

[Mary Bull]

Hello Richard!

On Monday, September 06, 2004, 10:07 AM, you wrote:

MB>> This problem is being addressed by many through using BayesFilter
MB>> rather than BayesIT.

RHS> I'm going to try BayesFilter. < ... > Question - should I set all
RHS> preferences in the filter itself, or should I leave the setting
RHS> for "Move to junk folder is greater than..." in TB preferences?

Richard, try Kevin Coates for help with this? See:

mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

I'm one of the lucky ones who hardly receive an offer of one Spam a
week in the Connection Centre. I have never used a Spam filter of any
kind. So I don't know anything about either BayesIt or BayesFilter
except what I've read on tbbeta.

I do want all my fellow TB! users to have things go well, though, and
that's why I answered your post. :)

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Connections failing...

[admin]

I have v3 and the new filter system transferred from v2 like a dream
and works beautifully. Well worth the upgrade fee alone.

However - query:

This has always applied since I started using POPFile.

Note: BayesIt kept freezing connection centre so I ditched it for
POPFile.

It works very well except that ever since v2 I have problems with
connecting to the POP3 server(s).

I have  40 email accounts and wheh I do a check and download all, may
of them (not specific ones each time) just appear briefly in the
Connection Centre and then disappear as iff they have been checked but
they haven't in fact and the message for each of these is Couldn't
connect to server. Since many of them are on the same server it seems
odd.

Is there some time out business going on that is doing it, might it be
a limit on concurrent connections with TB or PoopFiel?
I need suggestions for what settings I might tweak methodically to
isolate the cause of this behaviour.

If, immediately after this has happened I go through each accoutn and
hit F2 individually they always connect and check.

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Re[2]: Mail disappearing after connection center hangs

[Richard H. Stoddard]

Mary,

Monday, September 6, 2004, 6:46:12 PM, you wrote:

MB> This problem is being addressed by many through using BayesFilter
MB> rather than BayesIT.

I'm going to try BayesFilter. I installed it and trained it with a
selection of SPAM and non-SPAM. (And deleted - at least for now -
BayesIt) Question - should I set all preferences in the filter itself,
or should I leave the setting for "Move to junk folder is greater
than..." in TB preferences?

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Re: CSAPI spell checker

[Cyrille]

Hello Krzysztof,

Monday, September 6, 2004, 2:16:34 PM, you wrote:

>> The "help" file says "If you have Microsoft Office installed, The Bat!
>> will automatically detect the presence of CSAPI and uses it."
>> I installed and uninstalled v2.12.00 three times, but the TB! does not
>> detect them (MS Office 2003 on Win XP).

> You  have  to  install  files  from  Office  2000  with appropriate registry
> entries. HTH, no time to give more info now.

Isn't it possible to edit the registry entries manually?
Who knows more?

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Re: Mail disappearing after connection center hangs

[Kevin Coates]

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Hi Richard,

On Mon, 6 Sep 2004 17:30:50 +0500 (8:30 AM here), Richard H. Stoddard
[RHS] wrote in :

RHS> I have just upgraded to v.3 and BayesIt 0.6.01. Twice now the
RHS> connection center has hung up when downloading mail; it shows a
RHS> message received 100% but just hangs there, with the message not
RHS> showing up in the inbox.

I don't have any solutions for you Rick, but wanted to let you know
that you are not alone. I have been experiencing exactly the same
problem.

Using an alternative called Bayes Filter Plugin 1.5.2, I do not
experience this problem.

http://www.lkcc.org:8500/index.php

My BayesIt problems seem to occur on larger mail polls of 100-200
messages.

- --
Kevin Coates
Dewitt, NY USA

Using TB! v3.0 under Windows XP 5.1.2600 SP2

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Re: Mail disappearing after connection center hangs

[Mary Bull]

Hello Richard!

On Monday, September 06, 2004, 7:30 AM, you wrote:

RHS> I have just upgraded to v.3 and BayesIt 0.6.01. Twice now the
RHS> connection center has hung up when downloading mail ...

This problem is being addressed by many through using BayesFilter
rather than BayesIT.

Here's a quote from a post on tbbeta just this morning,
mid:<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

> I tried this technique this morning and The Bat! errored out during
> the mail poll and I had to use the Task Manager to terminate it.
> This happened twice in a row. I removed BayesIt and installed
> BayesFilter and the next poll worked fine with no errors.

That's Kevin Coates, as quoted by Eddie Castelli, who has the problem
and says he will try BF.

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Re: CSAPI spell checker

[Daniel Rail]

Hello Marek,

Monday, September 6, 2004, 6:57:40 AM, you wrote:

> Monday, September 6, 2004, Cyrille wrote:

>> The "help" file says "If you have Microsoft Office installed, The Bat!
>> will automatically detect the presence of CSAPI and uses it."

>> If TB does not detect them automatically, is there a way to show TB!
>> manually the path to the CSAPI spell checkers ?

> CSAPI engine was changed in Office since Office 2000 and it is not
> possible to use it, MS changed licence AFAIK.

This is what is said on Microsoft's website:

[Start quote...]
CSAPI may not be used to call into Microsoft's spell check engine and
lexicon. For example, third-party developers who want to incorporate
spell check capabilities into their own applications may not use CSAPI
to access the spell check engine and lexicons that are installed by
Microsoft Office. Microsoft does not currently provide spell check
utilities for use in third-party products.
[...End quote]

Here's the URL for those who want to read the whole text:
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;262605

The above text is related to MS Office 2000/2002(XP).  So, basically
TB! is already violating the above quote.

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Re: Mail disappearing after connection center hangs

[Alexander S. Kunz]

Hello Richard,

Monday, September 6, 2004, 2:30:50 PM, you wrote:

> I have just upgraded to v.3 and BayesIt 0.6.01

I have read about v3 and BayesIt problem so very often here and on
TBBeta that my first try (if I were using it *g*) would be to get rid
of that darn BayesIt thing. :-)

Maybe it helps.

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