Re: How to restore folders are on hard drive.. but not in inbox
Hello! Fri Jul 4 2003 20:14:40 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: awc I have folders on my hard drive that contain the TBB files and I awc would like to restore that in the Bat. Is there a way to bring awc the messages back in? You can move these folders to one of your accounts' folder structure i.e. C:\The [EMAIL PROTECTED] C:\The [EMAIL PROTECTED] and so on. Then you need to press Ctrl+Alt+Shift+L simultaneously to force The Bat! to search for a so-called Lost Folders. HTH -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ Current version is 1.62r | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: How to remove the X-Mailer from headers???
Hello! Fri Feb 28 2003 17:35:10 Newsacct [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: N I am looking for a way to remove the x-mailer header info. N I really don't need to have anyone know what mailer I am using. ^^ JFYI: It's simple to determine your mailer even without the X-Mailer header. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Can't Save Account Properties
Hello! Fri Feb 21 2003 23:01:05 Sergey Kalabekov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: SK I can't save Account Properties. Each time I open The Bat! SK everything is lost. What do I do to fix the problem? SK Using Windows XP. That may be a permission problem with the HKEY_CURRENT_USER\Software\RIT section in the registry. You need to double-check the ACLs using the regedt32.exe program. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
[Bug] Couldn't mail to an IP address directly
Hello! I have found a bug which prevents messages to be sent to an IP address directly (e.g. mailbox@[192.168.203.12]). Here is a good example. ---[Cut]--- [andris@strigidae scripts]$ host mail.tp.ru. mail.tp.ru has address 80.80.100.216 mail.tp.ru mail is handled (pri=5) by tp.aaanet.ru [andris@netgenic scripts]$ host tp.aaanet.ru. Host not found. ---[Cut]--- This means that any message sent to any address in mail.tp.ru domain will be bounced back to the originator with the following error: ---[Cut]--- - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - Transcript of session follows - 550 5.1.2 [EMAIL PROTECTED] Host unknown (Name server: tp.aaanet.ru.: host not found) ---[Cut]--- In case you want anyone at mail.tp.ru host to be notified about this misconfiguration you should bypass the non-working MX record by using the following form of the e-mail address: mailbox@[80.80.100.216] Unfortunately the The Bat! converts such directly routed addresses to the following form causing another bounce: ---[Cut]--- Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2003 20:37:29 +0300 From: Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) [EMAIL PROTECTED] X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.62e) Reply-To: Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) [EMAIL PROTECTED] Organization: AerNet Ltd. X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: postmaster@[80\.80\.100\.216] ^ Subject: mail.tp.ru MX record is invalid MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=koi8-r Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit ---[Cut]--- Testbed: Windows 2000 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 2 + post-SP2 hotfixes The Bat! Version 1.62e (Serial Number: 590E2F15) -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: [Bug] Couldn't mail to an IP address directly
Hello! Wed Feb 5 2003 23:26:01 Jonathan Angliss [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Unfortunately the The Bat! converts such directly routed addresses to the following form causing another bounce: JA [..] To: postmaster@[80\.80\.100\.216] ^ JA I had noticed that it did this, but I just sent myself two emails JA just fine, one via a postfix SMTP server, and one via a sendmail JA SMTP server. Once each over telnet, and via TB!, all 4 arrived JA intact. Hmmm... it's interesting. Maybe your recent tries were successful because you're using an 1.63 Beta/5 version of the TB!. Mine was 1.62e and is 1.62i now. JA The question is, what was the error message you got back from your JA undelivered email to the literal address? Did you even get one? Yes, here it is: ---[Cut]--- - The following addresses had permanent fatal errors - postmaster@[80\.80\.100\.216] - Transcript of session follows - 550 5.1.2 postmaster@[80\.80\.100\.216]... Host unknown (Name server: [80\.80\.100\.216]: host not found) ---[Cut]--- The server is running Sendmail 8.12.6 under FreeBSD 4.7-Release. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ Current version is 1.62 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Invalid HTML error when viewing message source
Hello! Have anyone here experienced the following error generated by the The Bat! HTML renderer while trying to view the original message source (F9 or the corresponding menu command)? ---[Cut]--- Invalid HTML ! Please forward this message to developers. Thanks. EAccessViolation Access violation at address 0040501B in module 'TheBat.EXE'. Read of address 0252F000 ---[Cut]--- It seems to me that an original source viewer has nothing to do with rendering _any_ HTML code including good, invalid or specially crafted. [Windows 2000 AS SP2+Hotfixes EN/The Bat! v.1.62 CE] -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Kill dupes NOT in all folders?
Hello! How do I protect some folders from being processed with Kill dupes in all folders command? Thanks in advance. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: anti-spam suggestions
Hello! Thursday, August 15, 2002, 1:00:04 PM Thorvald Neumann [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TN Hejsan! TN When TN X-Authentication-Warning: xyz.yourdomain.de: Host TN acc19-ppp235.mel.dialup.connect.net.au [210.10.138.235] claimed to TN be yahoo.com TN is found in the header of an email, does this mean, I can use TN X-Authentication-Warning for filtering SPAM? No. This header indicates that HELO string issued by the host trying to send mail through some mail server isn't equal to the RDNS name of this host. HELO string is the part of the SMTP protocol. HELOes should be presented as FQDN (fully-qualified domain name), not a hostname or domain name only. In your particular example server xyz.yourdomain.de reports that host acc19-ppp235.mel.dialup.connect.net.au (real RDNS hostname) tried to name itself as yahoo.com. It can be an attempt to fool the receiving MTA and in this case the acc19-ppp235.mel.dialup.connect.net.au host should be considered as spamhost. But there are many MUAs in the market that HELOes only the domain part of their FQDNs. So the X-Authentication-Warning header should be considered as _informational only_. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ Current version is 1.61 | Using TBUDL information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: MD5 sum for 1.60q *.exe
Hello! On Mon, 24 Jun 2002 13:21:49 +0300 Robert Golovniov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RG Has any of you experienced something similar? No. RG Can somebody perhaps send me the MD5 sum of his thebat.exe file for the RG 1.60q version? RG What I have now is this: 7fbf3470708874e539621680a539a509 This value is identical to what I have got on my sustem. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ Current Ver: 1.60q FAQ: http://faq.thebat.dutaint.com Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bug Reports: https://www.ritlabs.com/bt/
SOT: Open Source Software (Was: Re: Versions Coming Fast Furious)
Hello! Wednesday, May 09, 2001, 12:51:30 AM, IronHand [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lost Then again, at least at this point Open Source is very similar with the M$ world. Open S. programmers do not build patches, they just make them available for program sources and the users can rebuild the programs themselves... I Well, I don't understand what You mean. The Bat! is not OS. I'm a I little confused... TB! isn't an OS but it *is* a program like an OS :-). In an Open Source world every program is available in it's sources; there are no differencies between OSes and apllications. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: a filter failing to work. what to do?
Hello! Wednesday, May 09, 2001, 1:52:06 PM, Charlie Laidlaw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CL i have just made up three filters, to move into the same folder upon CL discovery of a certain sender. In the inbox i highlighted the CL fellow's name, right clicked, special-create filter-detect by CL sender and so forth. CL Did 're-filter folder'. The first two worked fine, but the last CL didn't! i have no idea why. what i have in the detect-by-sender box CL is apparently identical to who the sender is. So why doesn't it ^ CL work? Try to leave only the sender's address in the appropriate Signal String field. I.e. if you're filtering on the Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) [EMAIL PROTECTED] string then you should change it to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] variant. The key difference is the double-quote character missing - it has a special meaning for the filter parser. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! 1.52 - bug report
Hello! Monday, May 07, 2001, 9:11:10 PM, Karin Spaink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KS [Actually, this is a copy of a bug report I submitted for KS TB 1.48. It still persists.] KS I'm using The Bat! Version 1.52 KS Serial Number F6B77929 KS under Windows NT 4.0 Build 1381 Service Pack 6 KS The bug description: KS When deleting a few mails simultaneously in an open thread KS in Folder View, the body part of the screen turns blank. If KS you then move to any message, bodies are shown again but the KS buttons in the folder view are greyed and unusable. KS Steps to reproduce the bug: KS Set your Folder view to Thread by reference, ordered by KS subject. Open a tread and delete all (or a few) messages KS within that thread. The cursor in the message list will jump KS to the higher message and the lower part of the folder view, KS where the body of a message is supposed to be shown, goes KS blank. At the same time all buttons are greyed out and KS unusable. If you then click on a message in Folder view, the KS body window gets restored but the buttons remain 'dead'. The KS only way to fully restore all functions is to close and KS reopen the folder. Confirmed. Moreover, the keyboard shortcuts for the 'dead' buttons are also seems to be non-functional. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Filters don't work
Hello! Monday, May 07, 2001, 11:29:27 PM, Ottar Grimstad [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OG When I think about it, I have experienced similar problems when I OG automatically accept the string that Shift-Control-F generates. I OG always edit this string and take out everything but the pure OG e-mailaddress itself. Yes, it's the right way. The problem is that the default string may contain (double quote, 22H) characters. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Versions Coming Fast Furious
Hello! Tuesday, May 08, 2001, 6:05:45 PM, Thomas [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DAC this is a pretty old thread by now I suppose, but yes, I did DAC refresh my browser. I went back again this morning, refreshed and DAC still got the old page. Only by deleting all my temporary internet DAC files and then visiting did I get the new page (which is now F). I DAC don't think MSIE is supposed to behave that way. It was my DAC impression refreshing was supposed to get the new page. T I think you have to hold the shift key or crtl key or something while T clicking on the Refresh button to get a real refresh. It's an old MSIE engine bug and the Ctrl+Reload trick will NOT help you. BTW, the Shirt+Reload combination belongs to NN/NC. At first, try to completely clean an IE cache: Tools - Internet Options - General tab - Temporary Internet Files - Delete Files. Then look to the Temporary Internet Files options found under the Settings... button: the Every visit to the page radio button should be selected and the whole cache size must be set to 16 Mb max. Then you should switch to the Advanced tab and look if the Use HTTP 1.1 through proxy connections checkbox is set; if so, uncheck it. HTH. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: POP before SMTP trouble and orher questions
Hello! Monday, May 07, 2001, 10:52:42 PM, Urke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lost U Second question is why in headers for my post is placed: U X-Apparently-From: urosevic?[EMAIL PROTECTED] Hmm... ask a [EMAIL PROTECTED] for this. U and U X-Lookup-Warning: reverse lookup on original sender failed It's simple, just looking at your headers: ---[Cut]--- Received: from unknown (HELO 192.168.2.36) (212.62.52.154) ^^^ ^ by smtp.mail.vip.sc5.yahoo.com with SMTP; 7 May 2001 19:10:49 - ---[Cut]--- Your computer has a 212.62.52.154 IP address and probably a some hostname attached to this IP, i.e. hostname.domain.tld. = 212.62.52.154 It means that someone looking for your IP address could query for the hostname.domain.tld. and got a 212.62.52.154 as an answer. But if there is no *reverse* assignment i.e. 212.62.52.154 = hostname.domain.tld. then the reverse lookup call made by virtually every mail server in the world will fail, this event will be logged and the following X-Header will appear in your message. Actually the 212.62.52.154 address has no reverse assignment: [andris@raibina]$ host -t ptr 212.62.52.154 Host not found. Your ISP doesn't have the properly done reverse delegation on 212.62.52.0/24 netblock. You should contact [EMAIL PROTECTED] or Kalman Cinkler [EMAIL PROTECTED] to fix that. I also wonder that the HELO issued by your computer is 192.168.2.36 - what you have under the DNS Configuration tab in the TCP/IP properties? -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: SOT: Sending mail from Palm Desktop
Hello! Thursday, May 10, 2001, 3:34:10 AM, Chema Berian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: CB Ive tried it with OE and it works correctly. It seems to me the CB \name\ email email format is some kind of OE link. It isn't an OE link but a RFC-compliant way to use the (double quote) character in e-mail addresses. Try to send mail for First_Name Alias Last_Name [EMAIL PROTECTED] and see it yourself. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to block unwanted senders
Hello! Thursday, May 03, 2001, 2:32:10 PM, A Curtis Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: - Is it possible to automatically remove mail from blocked senders already on the server, before downloading it to the client software? ACM «--snip--» OG Cannot this be done automatic by checking delete mail on server on the OG action tab in the filter? ACM No. What that option does is mark the message for deletion from the ACM server on your next POP check for messages. Are you sure? If we're speaking in POP3 protocol terms then two separate (and probably consequent) POP sessions cannot share some data on the server side. If your MUA has issued a DELE message_number command then the message(s) marked will be actually deleted by processing the QUIT command or the deletion flag will be reset by the RSET command. If we're talking about the client side (MUA) then you're right. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: How to block unwanted senders
Hello! Thursday, May 03, 2001, 6:53:56 PM, jsvrp.gw [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lost jg The problem also is that *spammers* use different e-mail addresses jg every time to send their *spam*. So some *spam* will always come jg through. If you haven't access to your SMTP server configuration (especially to the so-called blacklist) and you don't or cannot use procmail then you can filter out the most offending spammers not by the e-mail addresses they have used (and forged) but by blocking the IP address or hostname of the message originator. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Losing imported messages?
Hello! Thursday, May 03, 2001, 7:37:50 PM, Marck D. Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lost MDP Yes. I reported this bug recently and some fixes have been introduced MDP for it in the latest beta versions. MDP To get round the problem try the following: MDP 1). Import the 4 folders. MDP 2). Exit TB (to save the new folder config). MDP 3). Open TB MDP 4). Move the folders MDP 5). Exit TB (to save the changed folder config). MDP 6). Open TB MDP This sequence should keep the new layout intact. It's importing and MDP moving in one hit that causes the problem I think. Hmmm... So does it mean that we should worry about every folder move (up/down or as child/parent) operation? -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Sorting Office/Filters
Hello! Wednesday, May 02, 2001, 9:28:25 PM, Jan Rifkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED]kludges yes Frederick I have Location set as Anywhere. Would that make a Frederick difference? JR don't know the answer but I would use kludges as it focuses on the JR headers. Sendermmm - From: and/or Sender: header fields. Probably Apparently-From: too. Recipient - To: and/or CC: header fields. Probably Apparently-To: and BCC: (if passed, rare cases) too. Subject - Self-explanatory Text - Self-explanatory Kludges - Message header. Should read as RFC-822 Headers. Anywhere - Text+Kludges -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...
Hello! Wednesday, May 02, 2001, 5:12:59 AM, Ben Mills [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: BM But the problem is Ritlabs lack of response to known security issues. BM Hackers will have a heyday with TB if Ritlabs continues to bury its BM head in the sand instead of promptly addressing these issues. What kind of reaction do you expect from the RitLabs? BM One poster mentioned an undocumented registry hack would eliminate the BM potential execution of the worm you brought to the list's attention. BM If this is the case ( and I have no first hand knowledge that it is) BM Ritlabs should have notified its clients BM and had a reg edit executable on its site for download. ^^^ BM It would be a no-brainer for any programmer to crank out in a couple BM of minutes. Wonderful! :-E. Have you ever heard of the program called Registry Editor (regedit.exe - for Win 9x/ME, regedit.exe/regedt32.exe for the Win NT4/2K)? -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Warning! First worm that hits TB! too...
Hello! Tuesday, May 01, 2001, 9:28:16 AM, Silviu Cojocaru [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lost SC Lets hope RIT makes that an option, we don't have to hack our SC way in the system like that. I hate the registry. ...Politics? I'm not into politics, I hate it! _But_ politics has you by default. So if you're on Windows and if you want your system to behave well be ready to use some common system utilities like RegEdit. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- __ Archives : http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com Moderators : mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TBTech List: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Unsubscribe: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: s/mime access violation
Hello! Wednesday, January 10, 2001, 7:02:33 PM, Peter Kaleve [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PK do you have a file present in your mail directory called SMIMERND.BIN? No. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Filter question
Hello! Wednesday, January 10, 2001, 10:58:55 PM, Emmanuele Vigni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EV I am new. I'd like to know if is it possible, and if yes how, to EV configure The Bat! in order to make a canned reply that captures EV from the body of a received message ONLY the e-mail inserted in it EV and send it as a new message to another address that I specifie. So does the messages to be processed by that filter contains *only* the e-mail addresses you want to extract or there are some additional (and unwanted) text in them? -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Help with regex
Hello! Wednesday, January 10, 2001, 3:56:35 PM, Ulrich Peters [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JA How about something like: JA %QUOTES='%SETPATTREGEXP="(?(?=;;);;(.*)|(.*);;)"%REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%QINCLUDE=""special"";;%TEXT"%SUBPATT="2" UP Ok. I didn't understand the meaning of the "(?(?=;;);;(.*)|(.*);;)" UP part, could you tell me where I can find an analysis of this string? HTH: http://www.devshed.com/Server_Side/Administration/RegExp/ -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Message Header - Mailer
Hello! Thursday, January 11, 2001, 3:12:11 AM, Britta [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: B am I correct in believing that if no "Mailer" (or X-Mailer) info is B available for received messages, that this is due to the originating B mail server setup? Not in all cases, AFAIK. Someone can install a so-called local SMTP proxy which is capable to strip specific headers from the outgoing messages. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Cookies (Was: Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting)
Hello! Tuesday, January 09, 2001, 9:19:31 PM, Mark Aston [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does you know which file TB! stores cookie lines? In account.cfg . MA Thanks, unfortunately that was the one file which got corrupted when I MA did a CD backup. Windows reports an "Error performing inpage MA operation" whatever that is. Try to restore this file from the probably faulty CD under MS-DOS (or so-called WinDOS) with ah appropriate support for your CD-ROM drive (driver file an mscdex.exe loaded). -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Cookies (was:Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting)
Hello! Wednesday, January 10, 2001, 7:05:06 AM, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: does you know which file TB! stores cookie lines? In account.cfg . MA Thanks, unfortunately that was the one file which got corrupted when I MA did a CD backup. Windows reports an "Error performing inpage MA operation" whatever that is. TF I never saw this error. Does anybody know what this means? Probably there was an error encountered by the Windows CDFS module. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting
Hello! Wednesday, January 10, 2001, 6:41:11 AM, Douglas Hinds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lost DH After a number of outstanding Batnicks discussed ways to move DH account folders some time ago (using Commander, Explorer and other DH ways), I assumed that this was indeed what had to be done, even DH though I HAD used the other method previously (one forgets). Sounds like that the whole thread could be squeezed to one sentence: RIT Labs, please (please!) provide the adequate documentation on this subject! -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML Mail viewing (images)
Hello! Tuesday, January 09, 2001, 12:18:31 PM, Austin Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lost AD Apologies for going against the rules of the list. I should have read the AD rules more carefully. Personally I don't think you're going against the rules of this ML when you're trying to discuss some topics like one you were raised. However this particular topic have been discussed more than 10 times in my mind with the same and the sad result: it ended up with the holy war and the flame war :-(. Sad but true (C) RIT Labs. There are several ways to stop this useless HTML-with-images talks forever. One of them IMHO is to wait until the RIT Labs will release the next (third, fourth) TB! version with the user-selectable behaviour when receiving such messages. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange thing
Hello! Tuesday, January 09, 2001, 10:35:21 AM, Danilo Barbuio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lost DB well, I checked all the things you told me (thank you for that), but DB the result was that there is nothing wrong. The other things that DB happened today is that everything is working again .. Have you encountered any side effects? Did TB! hang to the "(Not responding)" state? -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing
Hello! Monday, January 08, 2001, 11:44:23 AM, Januk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AGS Setting the Draft flag will prevent the message from accidentally being AGS sent automatically when the account configuration has the option AGS "Combined delivery" enabled. Just imagine that you have copied the AGS message you want to edit to the Outbox and at the same time of doing it AGS the next mail check time arrived ;-). JA Sure, but in the same time that you're set the draft status, you could JA just as easily open the message. As far as I know, a message won't be JA sent if it is being edited. :-) This is my $0.2: just park the incoming message you want to edit and copy it to the Outbox. The Park flag will be converted to the Draft flag. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Losing more folders than wanted and how to restore them
Hello! Monday, January 08, 2001, 9:10:22 AM, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DH Also, when a folder is deleted, for some reason TB! puts you back at DH the top of the first account, no matter where you are down the line DH (of 17 accounts). When that happens, images of other folders (that DH aren't present where you are) flash by. AGSAA Yes, this looks like some kind of unwanted behaviour. But I believe that AGSAA it caused by some internal reindexing or reinitializing some TB!'s AGSAA data structures. TF So? A technical explanation does not make it right. I suggest they fix TF it. ;-) Of course, yes. I'll create the message to the RIT Labs shortly. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The Bat! - suggestions (Browsing deleted messages)
Hello The Bat! developers and TBUDL! I'm using The Bat! Version 1.48f Serial Number 590E2F15 under Windows NT Server 4.0 Build 1381 SP6a US-EN and there is one suggestion I would like to contribute: When using Browse Deleted Messages command from the Folder menu the resulting window caption looks like "View Folder Folder_Name of Account_Name". I think that it will be more convenient if this caption will looks like "View Folder Folder_Name of Account_Name - Deleted Messages" or similar with the explicit note that someone is browsing not the folder but it's hidden part. Thanks for the good software you've written. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing
Hello! Monday, January 08, 2001, 4:40:36 PM, Tony Boom [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AGSAA Setting the Draft flag will prevent the message from accidentally being AGSAA sent automatically when the account configuration has the option AGSAA "Combined delivery" enabled. TB Try forwarding the message. This opens it up in an edit window TB automatically. Save it rather than sending it sets the draft flag TB automatically as well. Agreed, but your method will create a completely new message with the original message as MIME attachment or as text. Second, your method will not help is someone is plaiyng with the message headers. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
The Bat! - suggestions (Account/folder tree behaviour when using some commands)
Hello The Bat! developers and TBUDL! I'm using The Bat! Version 1.48f Serial Number 590E2F15 under Windows NT Server 4.0 Build 1381 SP6a US-EN and there is one suggestion I would like to contribute: For some unidentified reason The Bat! will change the current focus within the account/folder tree when using the following commands: - delete a folder (lost focus, going to be on the 1st account); - change an account properties (the account/folder tree scrolls up automatically); - change a folder properties (the same as in previous example). While believing that it caused by some internal reindexing or reinitializing I would like this to be fixed in the future versions. Anyway, thanks for the good software you've written. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Sorting the incoming messages within Inbox - I give up...
Hello! Monday, January 08, 2001, 2:12:30 PM, Homesick Mac [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: HM I give up. I don't understand why some messages from the very same HM sender end up in my Inbox as usualy - sorted by the time of arrival, HM and some others become "under messages" of the ones sent to me from HM the same person before. I find that a bit annoying if somebody is HM like me ( lazy ) and has many unread messages in the Inbox folder, HM so I sometimes don't notice that the guy answered me because his HM earlier message is up, up, up, way beyond the little window for the HM headers and this answer ends up "under" the previous message. My suggestion is to turn off threading for the Inbox and set the message sort order to be on the Received column instead of Created. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Any way to get TB to only use email address (not names)?
Hello! Monday, January 08, 2001, 8:30:13 PM, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: RB I realise from prior discussions that TB won't generate individual RB messages for each person on a list without including all those other RB addresses, but is there any way to get The Bat to put only the email RB address in the "to" field instead of "Name" [EMAIL PROTECTED] ? TF Use %To=""%To=%OFrom in the reply template. This will yield only the TF address. I'm afraid this is not correct. The tested solution is %To=""%To="%OFromAddr". -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML Mail viewing (images)
Hello! Monday, January 08, 2001, 11:36:07 PM, Kent Villard (iChef) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KVi I'm sure I missed this somewhere (if I did, please direct to where), You can search the TBUDL archives for a long and repeated discussions about this feature. KVi but I was wondering is there a way to get the images to display when KVi viewing HTML messages? I have a constant connection and would love for KVi these messages to be complete. I have some messages that I get KVi periodically with gfx (like charts etc) - that I would like to be able KVi to view within the mail client. If these images are embedded (attached) to the HTML message you've received TB! will show them in the HTML preview pane. But if any image referenced in the HTML part should be taken from any outside source (for example, IMG SRC="http://server.domain.tld/images/image.gif" it wouldn't be shown. It has been done to prevent a malicious content from being _automatically_ downloaded to your computer. A workaround: if you have some HTML message with the exclamation marks instead of the real images just double-click the message.html or message.shtml attachment and your default browser will open it in the separate window. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Strange thing
Hello! Monday, January 08, 2001, 11:52:20 AM, Danilo Barbuio [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DB I have a strange problem. I manage with The Bat 5 account and today, DB after installing version 1.49, when I try to create a new message with DB one of this accounts (one only the other are working well) the program DB hang with no message at all. Have you checked the properties for the account in trouble? Double check the paths TB! uses to store the message base. What if you're replying to someone's mail? What about forwarding - does it works also? -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: HTML Mail viewing (images)
Hello! Tuesday, January 09, 2001, 12:20:13 AM, Austin Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AD Do you mean you would like the attachment to automatically appear when you AD view a message? If so, I emailed a similar suggestion to Ritlabs a few days AD ago - this was the response: AD 2. It would be nice if attachments (i.e. images) appeared at the AD end of the message text, as it does in Outlook Express. AD [skip] Oh no... (just IMHO). Please don't pull on an OE's and/or Nescape Messenger's skins on TB!. AD These two will be solved when a version with the new editor will be AD released. We are developing a new message editor/viewer right now - it AD will behave more "windows-like" and I think it will be possible to AD view images at the end of a message... AD "think" is not encouraging, but we can hope. AD I am now used to pressing CTRL-TAB to cycle through the attachments, AD but would still prefer them to automatically appear at the end of ^^^ AD the message. What do you mean by saying that? Do you _really_ want that all that .html .ra .qt .scr .swf attachments will render/play/saving-your-screen/etc. upon the message view? -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing
Hello! Tuesday, January 09, 2001, 3:49:19 AM, Marck D. Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AGSAA :-) This is my $0.2: just park the incoming message you want to AGSAA edit and copy it to the Outbox. The Park flag will be converted ;-) AGSAA to the Draft flag. MDP Sadly, it doesn't work because the parking flag is removed as the MDP message is moved. Works perfectly for me (1.48). Just tested it again one minute later on the messages in Inbox and some of my Postoffice folders - the same positive result. However, there is one folder which is not capable with my method - the Outbox. Did you mentioned this folder? -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing
Hello! Tuesday, January 09, 2001, 4:54:03 AM, Marck D. Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AGSAA :-) This is my $0.2: just park the incoming message you want to AGSAA edit and copy it to the Outbox. The Park flag will be converted AGSAA ;-) AGSAA to the Draft flag. MDP Sadly, it doesn't work because the parking flag is removed as MDP ^^^ MDP the message is moved. Please read further. AGSAA Works perfectly for me (1.48). Just tested it again one AGSAA minute later on??? the messages in Inbox and some of my ^ This was a typo, should be "one minute ago". Anyway the meaning wasn't lost. And of course I'm not sleeping although now it's 05:17 MSK. The method I have described isn't my or any other's invention. It worked. And of course I don't ever post any message if I didn't saw/tested/knew/etc. the things I'm talking about. AGSAA Postoffice folders - the same? positive result. However, AGSAA there is one folder which is not capable with? my method - AGSAA the Outbox. Did you mentioned this folder? MDP You can drag a parked message to the outbox, but the parking flag is MDP removed, not converted to a draft flag. Have you tried holding Ctrl when dragging the parked message to the Outbox? MDP You can drag a parked message *anywhere*, but TB doesn't keep the MDP parking flag. Agreed, but _copying_ parked message to the Outbox keeps that flag. However, the Outbox doesn't need the messages to be parked that's why the RIT Labs programmers decided to use, for example, the same bit in the message control block to represent the message in the Draft state. MDP It has to turn the flag off to move it and doesn't turn it back on MDP when it gets there. It's certainly like that in 1.49 (I just MDP checked) and has always been like that whenever I've tested it. OK, I'll test it this evening after upgrading to 1.49. I'll powder my head with the ashes if RIT Labs have changed the rules of a game :-(. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting
Hello! Tuesday, January 09, 2001, 5:07:42 AM, Douglas Hinds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TF ... deleted messages only get a "deleted flag" and are not taken TF out of the message base, so it grows and grows. Only Compressing TF would actually do the clean-up. DH 1).- You are saying that deleted messages are NEVER deleted unless DH this is done? Yes, they aren't _really_ deleted. Anyone can use file manager capable to view binary files properly and take a look at some small messages.tbb file directly to become convinced with this fact. DH (I'd never noticed the Folder / Browse Deleted Messages option). According to the readme.txt file included with TB! this command have been introduced in 1.42 - the version you're actually using. DH 2).- Does this include the dupes are are killed? No. DH 3).- This is true whether done at the folder property level or DH (manually via) the folder menu level? The option Compress the Folder is in On Exit block so it is activated actually when TB! is in shutdown phase. DH 4).- That wouldn't work for a folder that disappeared then (or would DH it)? (Which happened recently, as mentioned earlier). No. DH Since you must be IN the folder for the command to take effect Yes. DH 5).- Would someone briefly define whether "purge all" is purge AND DH compress? It is "purge and compress", IIRC. The corresponding menu command is in a slight error. DH Or does purge only relate to time limited folders? If you've set time-to-live for some folders, yes. If you're using Purge All command then, um, no :-) -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting
Hello! Tuesday, January 09, 2001, 7:13:50 AM, Douglas Hinds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lost DH I started to compress and rapidly cleared 20 additional mb, at which DH point I ran out of space in C:\. I closed other programs and will DH begin again. It's going to take quite a while, but the regained DH space will keep me going for a while, and till the new hard drive DH arrives. Maybe it's time to empty your %Temp% directory. Assuming you have something like "Set Temp=C:\WINDOWS\TEMP" in your autoexec.bat you'll have to close all open applications including ones showing only in the systray, open %Temp% in your favourite file manager (don't forget to switch on hidden and system file views) and delete everything that looks like temporary not yours :-). -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! Temp Files?
Hello! Monday, January 08, 2001, 12:36:36 AM, Nick Andriash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: When I did my routine tidy-up of Temp files in C:\windows\temp I found over 200 files from The Bat! They had names like batwxyz.tmp, where wxyz was a serial number. NA I get a lot of those from time to time as well. Can anyone recall what/why NA they are created? These files are created when you're receiving and/or composing messages; do not try to delete them while TB! is running. Sometimes (rare in my case) TB! fails to delete them. If you want to automatically get rid of these .tmp files you can add the following commands to your autoexec.bat: ---[Cut]--- :Be sure to have Temp and Tmp environment variables to be set correctly :before analyzing the contents of your Temp directory by the method :described below Set Temp=C:\TEMP set Tmp=%Temp% ... If Not Exist %Temp%\bat*.tmp GoTo Boot2896 ctty NUL: attrib -R %Temp%\bat*.tmp del %Temp%\bat*.tmp ctty CON: :Boot2896 ---[Cut]--- -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Logging in....
Hello! Sunday, January 07, 2001, 9:46:52 PM, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TF when using DUN connection, I noticed that TB wouldn't connect whem the TF status is "Loggin In". It would only connect when the DUN window TF minimizes and the icon in the tray appears. TF While this seems normal (?), AFAICS yes. TF IE already opens website while "loggin in", and FirstClass checks TF mail and shows them. TF What's the deal? IMHO we're dealing with some protocol and OS/TB! internal structures initialization timings. I suggest to ignore this issue :-). -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: message.att?
Hello! Monday, January 08, 2001, 12:13:50 AM, Jan Rifkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Marck [...] This is a proprietary attachment Marck format for Outlook and Exchange users. There is a freeware decoder Marck called Fentun [...] JR Would an alternative be to save the attachment open it in JR Word or some other M$ text editor? Yes, it's the second and the safe method. In this case you could at least identify the format of this file and decide which program you can use to further processing. The only suggest I can give is to view the .att files in some application which is capable to display all characters rather than the standard ASCII set. The list of those applications included but not limited to FAR, Windows Commander, Hex Workshop and UltraEdit. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: incorect XLAT tables
Hello! Monday, January 08, 2001, 1:51:59 AM, Michal Kozusznik [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MK I've noticed incorect XLAT tables for Central European encoding (ISO MK 8859-2) in TB! v1.48. I replaced these with old tables (some time MK ago I've saved it for somebody) and now everything is OK. MK Additional question: how TB! updates it self? Do every time MK overwrites all files (XLAT tables)? Maybe some older version had MK bad tables and it was not replaced? The XLAT tables are stored in the registry under HKCU\SOFTWARE\RIT\The Bat!\XLT. I don't have any information about whether these keys are updated every time you install the new TB! release or not. However, I'll switch to the v. 1.49 on Monday so I could investigate this fact by using RegMon (http://www.sysinternals.com/). -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting
Hello! Monday, January 08, 2001, 3:37:47 AM, Jan Rifkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Douglas [...] IS there a way to set NO TICKER as the default Douglas folder setting? [...] JR Isn't that what options - Mail Ticker - Hide is all about? No, it just hides the ticker out of your screen. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting
Hello! Monday, January 08, 2001, 3:12:13 AM, Douglas Hinds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DH And THAT Bat! folk, is the reason for this post: IS there a way to DH set NO TICKER as the default folder setting? Unfortunately no. I've checked registry for some keys which name could help me in this task but failed... DH Also, is there a way to really disable (rather than simply hide) it? Why wouldn't you send an info request to [EMAIL PROTECTED]? JFYI: DH X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.42) Personal Maybe it's time to upgrade at least to a 1.48f? It can solve you mailticker problems like an accidental popups. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Losing more folders than wanted and how to restore them
Hello! Monday, January 08, 2001, 3:12:23 AM, Douglas Hinds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DH Today I went over all my folders. I have 17 accounts and one account DH alone now has 101 folders (it had more but I deleted a few). Another DH has 45. The rest have less, some more than others. I did this to DH make sure the ticker was not set on each, as mentioned in a separate DH post. DH In one account I found an empty folder that was out of place and it DH wouldn't delete. No error message; but I went through the right DH click menu many times and used del (less effective, I've found), and DH it just kept staring back at me. Usually it takes a couple of tries DH but it finally deletes. Not this time. And as I said, it was empty. The second vote for upgrading your TB! ASAP. DH So I figured I'd move it. It wasn't at the right level, anyway. That DH is, it should have been at a level higher. But the idea was to move DH it and THEN delete it. DH However: Another thing that I've found difficult about TB! sometimes DH is moving folders around. Right, you do it using alt while dragging. DH Fine. Except the folder doesn't always move. And sometimes the wrong DH folder moves, or things move where they shouldn't. It takes a lot of DH care, Yes this is the truth. To avoid of moving the inappropriate folder just click on it's name, press Alt, wait at least 0.5 sec and then move the folder to the location desired. AFAIR it's the very old problem... DH and it would be better if folders could be moved the way messages DH can (via a command which summons a TB! menu) or the way everyone DH else (every other application) does it: ctrl+x and paste with no DH menu. That's all right though, because a lot of what I LIKE about DH TB! (I'm not complaining, see; just looking for a fix) is precisely DH what is unique about it. There are exceptions however. IMHO the most correct way is to tune up the timings TB! uses in folder move code. DH At any rate, the folder wouldn't go where I wanted to put it. TB! DH came up w/ a reason (error message that made little sense), What was the message text? DH so I put it higher up, up with the Inbox - it except it wound up DH above it. There I WAS able to delete it BUT I think it also delete DH some folders that had been below (NOT subordinate, just below) it. I DH repeat: When the thing finally deleted (and it had NO + to the left DH of it), it evidently took others that were below (but not DH subordinate to) it (it didn't want to go alone?). What are the exact names for the folders TB! accidentally deleted? DH That's the motive for this recount: What's the remedy, if any? Double check your Trash for the messages originated from the folders accidentally deleted; the default TB! behaviour is to move them to Trash. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: NO Ticker as default folder setting
Hello! Monday, January 08, 2001, 4:36:21 AM, Jan Rifkinson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JR JR Isn't that what options - Mail Ticker - Hide is all about? Andrey it just hides the ticker out of your screen. JR Yes that's true, but, as a practical matter, it does solve the JR problem doesn't it? Douglas didn't want to see the ticker JR instead of changing all the folder options, he could have done JR it the one step listed above. Or am I missing something? Please take a look at Douglas' initial message - there are some complaints here about MT popping out accidentally and comparable weirdness. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: message.att?
Hello! Monday, January 08, 2001, 4:04:35 AM, Marck D. Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: JR Would an alternative be to save the attachment open it in JR Word or some other M$ text editor? AGSAA Yes, it's the second and the safe method. MDP This is incorrect and won't really help. The attachment is of a MDP specific type and *contains* a completely different file which is MDP the *real* attachment. Exchange clients know how to extract this MDP data. Fentun knows how to do it too. I don't know of any other way MDP of getting at the real data. Oh yes, you're right here Marck but only at a half. There are some mail server installations that are sending message.att file attached to a Mail Delivery Subsystem reports (AKA delivery-status reports). In this case the actual file contains some diagnostic information regarding the mail delivery. I bet that I could reproduce such MTA behaviour on my sendmail :-) Since I'm not an Exchange user I rely mostly on my experience. Oops, sorry again. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing
Hello! Monday, January 08, 2001, 4:59:58 AM, George F. Schoelles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GFS Something I miss from Eudora 3.x was the ability to edit a received GFS message before saving it. Is this something I can do in The Bat or GFS is this a good request. Yes, there is already a wishlist item for the something known as "Edit message as new" feature. However there are two workarounds available: - Drag or copy the message to the Outbox and set the Draft flag manually. Then you would be able to edit the message and even send it (not in all cases, just remember anti-third-party relaying on some servers). Keep in mind that altering the received messages this way will also alter the message header. - Export the message into the .msg file. After that you would be able to edit absolutely all parts of the message you've received. When your editing is completed just import the .msg file into the Inbox or whatever folder you want. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: TB! Temp Files?
Hello! Monday, January 08, 2001, 5:03:15 AM, Nick Andriash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AGSAA Sometimes (rare in my case) TB! fails to delete them. If you want to AGSAA automatically get rid of these .tmp files you can add the following AGSAA commands to your autoexec.bat: NA Hmmm? I do appreciate the help, but I wonder if that is what RITLabs would NA want me to tell prospective TB Users they will have to do to rid themselves NA of the problem? ;o) Here comes the next assumption: are you using any antivirus software in a monitor (background, service) mode? If yes then this application may prevent TB! from deleting these files properly. As for me, I don't ever use any AV monitor, I prefer to check possibly malicious content manually. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: slow spell check
Hello! Sunday, January 07, 2001, 2:27:38 PM, A. Curtis Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ACM 35 seconds is an extremely long time to sit waiting for the spell ACM check to function. Something is very wrong. I think this goes beyond ACM just machine specs although info on the machine specs are in order. I could assume that something is wrong with the IPC (Inter-process communication). However currently it's the whole help I can provide to you. Sorry Martin :-( IIRC the same weirdness comparable to this issue was in 1.043. When user tries to browse the folder list from the filter manager window, the thebat.exe process freezes deeply for 30-40 sec causing the Browse Folder List button to be pressed, the whole process stops responding etc. Maybe it was some faulty TB! thread, maybe something else even in the user's system - I couldn't remember exactly. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: OT: misc questions from a new TB! user
Hello! Sunday, January 07, 2001, 7:50:11 PM, Brian Clark [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AGSAA smtpspy: 94: aborting monitoring engine... done AGSAA smtpspy: 04: exit 0 AGSAA Hello! BC Just out of curiosity, what the heck is that above, `Hello!'? :-) Oh well, that was some partially badly written SMTP/POP3/NNTP transaction monitoring software installed on my computer. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
OT, STOPPED (Was: Re: Multiple email everything.)
Hello! Sunday, January 07, 2001, 9:03:03 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: bdou I use sendmail under Linux (OT but I'll carry on) this sends mail bdou straight away wihtout using a smtp server. :-) You may wonder a bit but the sendmail program is a quite perfect example of the SMTP server. Qmail, Exim and Postfix also falls to this category. 2. This delivery scheme is unusual at the user's end and isn't appreciated by the ISPs. Remember that user != server :-) bdou Who cares about what your ISP thinks. It's not that unusual and bdou many people run their own smtp server. I run one at work to ave bdou having to use the demon one. My ISP (hoping that yours too) is a right ISP :-). It doesn't restrict me on what SMTP/POP3/whatever server I can connect to - I'm speaking about the ability to connect to the servers that are outside of my ISP's IP address block. My actions is only and only my actions so I'm fully responsible for them. 4. We're living in the world of spam. Let the servers do their work perfectly. bdou But they don't do their work perfectly Well, if they are badly administrated :-) bdou and it is simple for a spammer to set up their own smtp server. Agreed, but please don't forget the fact that sooner or later this server will be filtered by the most ISPs and corporate clients. Have you heard about MAPS RBL/RSS/etc., ORBS, DRBL? bdou Disallowing relaying is a poor system. As is blackholeing. I'll tend to completely disagree. Note: since we're going into the strict offtopic here I decided that all replies to this message regarding non-TB! related stuff will be made off-list to my address. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hello! Sunday, January 07, 2001, 8:29:02 PM, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AGSAA X-Mailer: The Bat! (v1.48f) TF [...] AGSAA If you're on *NIX (as me now), TF Wow. wine? Not now ;-). The sentence you've quoted was related to the mail server software, not MUA. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Editing
Hello! Monday, January 08, 2001, 5:39:14 AM, A. Curtis Martin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AGSAA However there are two workarounds available: - Drag or copy the AGSAA message to the Outbox and set the Draft flag manually. ACM Do you have to set the draft? ACM I just drag it to the outbox, open it and start editing. Setting the Draft flag will prevent the message from accidentally being sent automatically when the account configuration has the option "Combined delivery" enabled. Just imagine that you have copied the message you want to edit to the Outbox and at the same time of doing it the next mail check time arrived ;-). -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report / Long lines in email message
Hello! Sunday, January 07, 2001, 12:58:16 PM, Andrej [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Other problem, many people writes their messages in MS WORD, then A copies to The Bat!, each paragraph in this case turns to one long line AGSAA Taken from the readme.txt shipped with the version 1.49 of The Bat!: AGSAA [+] %WRAPPED="text" macro to wrap generic text (macros can be used AGSAA inside the text) accordingly to current wrap settings. Use %WRAPJUSTIFY AGSAA AGSAA and %NOWRAPJUSTIFY to overwrite default settings of justification on AGSAA wrap A It will help me to receive the messages with cut off lines correctly?:-) It will help the people pasting the text from the MS Word to justify the pasting according to TB! settings. A Sorry again, this is not a problem for me. I speak about the people A who send me these messages. I can not speak to all my clients who uses A The Bat! about about special functions :-) I've missed that, sorry. A The advanced users can change adjustments and use an old method. A However they should too be warned about possible problems with long A lines. Do you want to establish a lab test? ;-) Just contact me off-list and I'll send you my two additional (the 1st one is [EMAIL PROTECTED]) e-mail addresses served by a diffrenet types of POP3 server software. Then you can send me a separate messages containing the line which length is, say, 1639 characters. As soon as I receive your postings I'll post here the results in the table form. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: OT, STOPPED (Was: Re: Multiple email everything.)
Hello! Monday, January 08, 2001, 6:18:11 AM, Karin Spaink [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Note: since we're going into the strict offtopic here I decided that all replies to this message regarding non-TB! related stuff will be made off-list to my address. KS Erm, you can't ;-) KS No matter how you set the reply-to, the list software will KS override your settings. :-) I know. This was an attempt to stop overflooding the TBUDL with unrelated postings like "what is RBL and how do I stop a guy named mailer-daemon from reading and returning my postings" very big G -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Losing more folders than wanted and how to restore them
Hello! Monday, January 08, 2001, 7:41:47 AM, Douglas Hinds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lost DH Nothing urgent. Thanks God. DH Also, when a folder is deleted, for some reason TB! puts you back at DH the top of the first account, no matter where you are down the line DH (of 17 accounts). When that happens, images of other folders (that DH aren't present where you are) flash by. Yes, this looks like some kind of unwanted behaviour. But I believe that it caused by some internal reindexing or reinitializing some TB!'s data structures. The thing common to that you've described occures when you're changing the folder properties. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hello! Monday, January 08, 2001, 7:21:48 AM, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TF What mail server software are you using aernet.ru is my private domain. The mail subsystem on it is hosted by a Communigate Pro POP3/SMTP/IMAP4/List server (http://www.stalker.com/CGatePro.html) running on Sun machine under Sun Solaris OS. The machine itself is located physically at my ISP (Zenon N.S.P., http://www.zenon.net/) datacenter. I'm also have some number of mailboxes on other servers (the total number of accounts is 14 - 12 real, 2 virtual). My secondary most used e-mail account which belongs to my work is served by a FreeBSD 4.2 machine with Sendmail 8.9.3 and QPOP 3.0.2 installed. TF and how does it interface with TB: Notning new: at home I'm using an ordinary DUN service while at work I'm using the corporate LAN. I hope that I'll get the 256 K leased line to my flat that year so I could easily forget the terms like 56K and v.90 :-). -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: A few questions re attachments
Hello! Saturday, January 06, 2001, 4:40:07 AM, Austin Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AD I've done a little testing, and. AD 1. Why does the attachment message flag not appear until you AD actually click on the message? Perhaps it's some sort of legacy limitations from the old message base format. Just IMHO :-) AD I worked this one out - if it's a message sent in HTML format, the message AD flag doesn't appear until you click on it. If it's a plain text message, it AD appears as soon as the message arrives. Confirmed. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hello! Friday, January 05, 2001, 10:06:24 PM, Olivier Reubens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OR Why does no e-mail client have an option to deliver sent mail OR directly to the addressed person's SMTP server. Am I missing an OR obvious "NO" here, or have I just thought up a totally new type of OR internet application (Maybe I should file a patent for it right away OR grin) No patents here grin too. And the answers to your question is quite easy: 1. There are MUAs that allow user to deliver e-mail messages directly to the SMTP server of some addressee. 2. This delivery scheme is unusual at the user's end and isn't appreciated by the ISPs. Remember that user != server :-) 3. Many SMTP servers are using DUL (http://maps.vix.com/dul/) to prevent direct connections from the non-local dial-up users (if any). 4. We're living in the world of spam. Let the servers do their work perfectly. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hello! Friday, January 05, 2001, 11:31:46 PM, Abigail Marshall [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: OR Actually.. Why does no e-mail client have an option to deliver OR sent mail directly to the addressed person's SMTP server. Am I OR missing an obvious "NO" here, or have I just thought up a totally new OR type of internet application (Maybe I should file a patent for it OR right away grin) AM You don't know what your addressed person's SMTP server is - there is AM no way to know except by looking at RFC headers of mail they have sent ^^ AM you, Partially correct. The mail routing is controlled by the MX records in the DNS, by internal tables on some relays and so on. AM and then if they are using multiple ISP's like you, it would mean AM nothing. Agreed. BTW the same mailbox owner could use different SMTP servers for sending and receiving mail (the word "receiving" has nothing to do with POP3 and/or IMAP4 - a client-side protocols - here; it stands for an incoming mails going to this mailbox via SMTP). AM Not all servers with POP accounts have SMTP; web-based email such as AM yahoo or hotmail doesn't provide an SMTP that is associated with the AM domain name; One remark: all of these online services are using SMTP internally. AM and the SMTP doesn't always match the domain name. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hello! Friday, January 05, 2001, 10:20:18 PM, Manfred Ell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GFS I have also seen smtp servers that can be installed in 98/NT/2K. Have GFS yet to try one But they must work. Thomas Isn't Hamster one of those? ME Yes, SMTP, POP3 and NNTP server. ME I'm using this myself. Recommended. If you're on *NIX (as me now), use whatever you like :-) ; if you're on Windows, I strongly suggest MDaemon (http://www.mdaemon.com/). Personal experience: more than 2.5 years without serious outages, 4 domains, up to 70 users per domain, strong load. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hello! Friday, January 05, 2001, 9:19:54 AM, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: (A notice to the list members and moderator: the next message could be easily treated as offtopic (Marck, your comments please :-). Anyone interested in additional technical details should contact me off-list). TF It is not an "open" line if you are connected to it. AGSAA Hmm... Didn't catch the point, could you please explain? :-) TF The same as you say below, using the more correct term "third party TF relay". What I mean is, it does not mean it's open to third parties if TF you can use it while being logged in through the same ISP. OK here :-) TF Relaying would be if I used an SMTP server in Germany for an account TF in Thailand while having dialled in through an ISP in Taiwan. If I use TF the SMTP server of the ISP I dial in through, it is not relaying, TF never mind the From address. AGSAA Sorry, but you're wrong here. TF I meant "third-party relaying". The SMTP server error "sorry, we don't TF relay", which I have seen at times, also refers to third-party TF relaying, wouldn't it? In general, yes. However there are some cases (badly administered servers etc.) when you'll see this reply from the server you're absolutely authorized to use :-). AGSAA Generally, all SMTP servers are "relays". But the actual server AGSAA behaviour can significantly vary. You can use ORBS, RBL, DRBL, RSS AGSAA whatever databases to prevent spammers from sending your their crap, you AGSAA of course should use some kind of ACL (access.db on sendmail) etc. TF GMX has, for example, POP before SMTP. So, you POP nad then you can TF use their SMTP server, never mind through which ISP you are logged in. Correct. But the more convenient scheme is to install some kind of SMTP authorization on the server. The added benefits are TLS support etc. The next two ways to prevent unauthorized third-party relaying are: - separate user-side SMTP server and the core relays (MXers). Good for the most situations and sites. - use newly introduced RFC 2476 to completely separate traffic from the users and servers. The summary of this RFC is: users aren't allowed to use SMTP servers completely, they submit their mails via a special port on the relay. Look for an original RFC text on any server (http://www.rfc-editor.org/ would be great) and also check out this URL: http://sendmail.net/?feed=rfc2476. I consider this to be a future in the way users will send their mails. AGSAA Here is the example. Imagine that one of my SMTP servers acts as a relay AGSAA for the following domains: TF [...] AGSAA EHLO hostname.client.net.ru AGSAA MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] AGSAA RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] TF Is there a way we can see which commands TB actually sends to the TF server? Yes, by installing a so-called SMTP proxy with logging enabled. The perfect examples known to me are the SMTPepd (http://www.kanargh.force9.co.uk/smteepd/smteepd.exe) and The Sleepwalker SMTP Proxy (http://www.thesleepwalker.com/software/). TF What is RCPT TO: ? The recipients? It's the command sent to an (E)SMTP server by the connection originator containing the so-called "envelope" address of the recipient. For further information just consult an appropriate (E)SMTP-related RFCs found on the 'net. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Limiting number of characters?
Hello! Friday, January 05, 2001, 11:30:50 PM, Gerry Doyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: GD I have a wireless e-mail pager that can except message of about 100 GD words at a time. GD I'd like to forward a few select e-mail messages using The Bat!, but, GD can't find a mechanism by which I can take, say, the first 125 GD characters. Do you like the forwarding to be done automatically upon the message receive or you're doing a manual forwarding? GD Is there such a function/macro? AFAIR now :-( -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: misc questions from a new TB! user
smtpspy: 94: aborting monitoring engine... done smtpspy: 04: exit 0 Hello! Saturday, January 06, 2001, 3:27:02 AM, Dave Gorman [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DG 1) In reviews I read glowing remarks about TB!'s speed. My experience DG differs a bit from that. I don't so much notice the speed of checking DG mail since it happens in the background. But other things seem to DG take forever. I have it said to mark messages read after being DG selected 0 seconds. However, on unread messages, it usually takes a DG good 4-5 seconds for the message to be displayed, then marked as read. DG If I want to delete the message, I have to wait that 4-5 seconds DG before I am allowed to click on the trash icon. Deleting a single DG message takes 5 seconds exactly (I've timed it, it's very consistent). DG Deleting multiple selected messages takes even longer depending on how DG many are selected. DG My PC is not a wimp -- PIII 500, 128MB RAM, tons of free HD space. DG NT4.0 workstation DG Why would simple tasks be taking so long? What services are active on your NT? Could you please provide a statistics found on the Performance tab of the NT Task Manager? Are you using some antivirus apps in the "monitor" (background) mode? -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Limiting number of characters?
Hello! Sunday, January 07, 2001, 7:47:21 AM, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AGSAA Friday, January 05, 2001, 11:30:50 PM, Gerry Doyon [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lost GD Is there such a function/macro? AGSAA AFAIR now :-( Sorry for the typo - should be "AFAIR not", of course ;-) -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report / Long lines in email message
Hello! Saturday, January 06, 2001, 10:27:57 AM, Andrej [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A Other problem, many people writes their messages in MS WORD, then A copies to The Bat!, each paragraph in this case turns to one long line Taken from the readme.txt shipped with the version 1.49 of The Bat!: [+] %WRAPPED="text" macro to wrap generic text (macros can be used inside the text) accordingly to current wrap settings. Use %WRAPJUSTIFY and %NOWRAPJUSTIFY to overwrite default settings of justification on wrap HTH. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: how use The Bat for news...?
Hello! Saturday, January 06, 2001, 7:41:29 PM, K.A. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KA If how I can use The Bat for news group, such like Outlok Express? No way yet. AFAIR the NNTP protocol support is a long-awaited wish. The possible workarounds are: - use an excellent program called Agent (shareware) or it's free version, Free Agent. Both are available to download and evaluating from the http://www.forteinc.com/; - use some (paid?) services providing News-by-Mail support. However, I do not use nor recommend them. There is a Russian native word describing these services: izvrat :-). The possible English equivalent is "to comb a right ear with the left hand". -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: A novel use for the mail dispatcher.
Hello! Sunday, January 07, 2001, 8:05:21 AM, Douglas Hinds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: DH I have one of the 17 accounts set to use the mail dispatcher DH automatically. My ISP (also the telco that charges for each and DH every call: local, 800 - you name it) drops me quickly if movement DH stops - like while I write this on line. DH So I check my mail and let that account (that gets more spam) idle DH loop for a while. I know I can have TB! check my mail at set DH intervals, but that means either turning it off again when I go DH offline or configuring something Tom F. discovered and explained DH once in the network menu. Have you tried those settings under Options - Network Administration: [ ] Auto disconnect after mail transmission [X] No Automatic dials for periodical checking [X] Use an existing DUN connection The 1st and 3rd checkboxes are self-explanatory. The 2nd means that TB! wouldn't initiate a periodical mail check at given intervals when there is no existing DUN connection. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Question Regarding Printing Template
Hello!
Sunday, January 07, 2001, 7:32:17 AM, Nick Andriash [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
NA I have my Print Template set up the way I want with the exception of
NA signatures and trailers... I would like *not* to include them when
NA printing out a message because of the room they take.
NA However, I cannot find a macro that would eliminate those items. Can
NA some kind soul steer me in the right direction? I have looked at the
NA FAQ, but can only find how to add items... not take them off.
If the Print Template is regex-enabled, the solution could be:
--[Start of forwarded message]--
From: "A. Curtis Martin" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Organization: E-mailaholics Int'l
To: "Pasquale J . Festa Sr . on TBUDL" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Date: Mon, 9 Oct 2000 19:54:54 -0500
Subject: Re: multiple Kill Filters?
Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
Hash: SHA1
On Mon, 9 Oct 2000 20:25:06 -0400, Pasquale J. Festa Sr. wrote:
snip
PJFS Be very careful of the dollar sign ($) a lot of folks here use it
PJFS when talking about Bill GatesWare :)
moderator Please be sure to stick to adequately trimming away the
excess quotation in posts. /moderator
I suggest that you replace the %quotes macro with the following in your
reply templates. It will strip out most of the signature and PGP related
stuff:
%quotes="%SETPATTREGEXP=""(?is)(^-BEGIN PGP
SIGNED.*?\n(Hash:.*?\n)?\s*)?(.*?)(^(-*?\s*?--\s*\n|_{40,}\s*\n|-BEGIN PGP
SIGNATURE)|\z)""%REGEXPBLINDMATCH=""%text""%SUBPATT=""3"""
Try it. I think you'll like it. Make sure that it's all in one line.
- --
A. Curtis Martin..
Moderator TBUDL/TBBETA | PGP Key ID: 0xEE079937
PGP Key: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]?Subject=SendAlliePGPKey
- ---
** "DILATE: To live longer. "
Using TB! v1.47 Beta/7 «» Win2k Pro SP1
-BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE-
Version: PGP 6.5.8
iQA/AwUBOeJo3vAXeSHuB5k3EQK2eACbBTkHM/OyPQMW9/quh/H2pBhIPGIAoIV+
Ey7hjC8ha8a3GGvsPR0cRvSl
=HUYv
-END PGP SIGNATURE-
---[End of forwarded message]---
Notes:
- the regex above is a long string without any CR/LF;
- you should use %Text macro instead of %Quotes.
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Why to delete HTML attachments (Was: Re: Can't delete HTML Attachement...)
Hello! Sunday, January 07, 2001, 5:41:10 AM, Kari Jakobi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KJ I just received a message written in HTML which I tried to delete the KJ HTML attachement as usual. ^ (Besides of the original problem) May I ask you a stupid question - why? :-). As for me, it seems to be useless to alter incoming messages in any way in most cases... -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Can't delete HTML Attachement...
Hello! Sunday, January 07, 2001, 6:28:39 AM, Kari Jakobi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I just received a message written in HTML which I tried to delete the HTML attachement as usual. (Right-click on HTML icon - Delete) *But* nothing happens! JA This message probably does not have a Text version. TB will JA display a plain text version, but TB creates this version. KJ I just rechecked this. It appears to me there is a plain text version, KJ see the header: lost Could you please export this message to an .msg file, discard any personal data (if any) and send it to me privately for analysis? -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Does v. 2 Kill v 1.xx?
Hello! Sunday, January 07, 2001, 7:12:04 AM, Douglas Hinds [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ACM What I will not appreciate is an editor that lacks the power of ACM the present editor, especially with regards to text reflowing ACM and its WYSIWYG nature. ACM @_@ (Opinions given are mine and not those of RITLABS) @_@ DH If that were o happen, v. 1.xx will become a collectors item, a ^^ DH classic. ;-) Well-well, /mine could imagine a situation when the older releases of the The Bat! will be on the Sothebys... No kidding here G. A question to the native English-speaking Batties: do I have to use two "the" articles on the phrase above? :-). Please respond me off-list. DH Many will still w/ with it for a while in any case, as v. 2 DH will be the first upgrade requiring an additional cash outlay. DH It will have to be good - better than v. 1.xx. DH I'm in no hurry. I too, as a pure netizen :-) -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: slow spell check
Hello! Sunday, January 07, 2001, 6:54:13 AM, George F. Schoelles [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ACM Personally, I found that the spell checker speeded up a lot when I ACM installed the language pack. GFS Shouldn't think I'd need it on the English version.!? As someone told here in the past, "an odd problems may have an odd solutions" 8-) -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Selective Download in the Sorting Office
Hello! Sunday, January 07, 2001, 2:23:27 AM, Kari Jakobi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: EF I'm assuming this is for handling a message on the server prior EF to download... ie killing it or ignoring it and avoiding EF downloading it if conditions are met? LG It is. The German help says that this feature could ignore or LG delete messages matching certain criteria *on the server*. BTW, in some older releases these filters were known as Kill Filters. KJ But remember that this is sometimes very time consuming as if at least KJ one rule is present in the Selective Downloads *all* message headers KJ will be downloaded and handled afterwards the messages will be KJ downloaded. Moreover, if at least one rule is present under Selective Downloads, the header part of each message will have to be loaded twice - at first when TB! is checking all messages to match any kill filter (using TOP command on POP3 servers) and at second when downloading the messages actually (using RETR command). -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Question Regarding Printing Template
Hello! Sunday, January 07, 2001, 9:02:00 AM, Januk Aggarwal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: regexes lost JA But be careful when printing, this can cause problems for certain JA messages. For example you would strip too much of Andrey's message JA when using this macro. Yes, this is a cost for such solutions. IMHO it can be avoided with some further regexing. Maybe I improve this particular one on the next week - but now it's time to sleep :-). JA You might be better to use %CLIPBOARD rather than %TEXT. Then you'd JA need to copy the part of the text you want to print. Nice solution. Some sort of quoting selected text only when replying. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Possible bug when entering characters using Alt+NumPad
Hello! Friday, January 05, 2001, 9:13:13 AM, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AGSAA It seems to be impossible to enter characters using their ANSI AGSAA codes via Alt+NumPad in TB message editor when the NumPad acts AGSAA as a cursor control keys :-(. TF I wouldn't know about ANSI codes, but I usually use the NumPad for TF ASCII codes. Maybe they are the same. Partially - it depends on OS used. In DOS we are limited to 256 characters. In Windows we can use all those characters that a particular font supports. For example, Alt+0149 != Alt+149 - try it yourself and you'll feel the difference. TF And when the NumPad is not NumLock'ed, it is not a NumPad, it is a TF cursor control pad. Different signals are sent to the CPU, so you will TF see different results. Yes, you're quite right but please don't forget the Alt hold down. It changes the way the OS interprets the scan codes of these keys - it means: store the NumPad input in a special buffer and simulate entering a character according to the decimal ANSI code received. AGSAA The correct behaviour is to ignore the NumPad status. TF Is that so? I have never heard this. I think if you want to inoput TF ASCII codes via AtlNumPad, you have to make sure the NumLock light is TF on. It has always been this way, and wouldn't understand why TF alt+uparrow on the NumPad should have the same meaning as alt-8 on TF the NumPad. Again, please remember that we're holding Alt down. I suggest trying to enter character (Alt+0149) in the Start - Run window which is a part of Windows unlike all the applications discussed here. You'll always get the correct input regardless of the NumPad status. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Possible bug when entering characters using Alt+NumPad
Hello! Friday, January 05, 2001, 6:15:32 PM, Ming-Li [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It seems to be impossible to enter characters using their ANSI codes via Alt+NumPad in TB message editor when the NumPad acts as a cursor control keys :-(. The correct behaviour is to ignore the NumPad status. ML I'm not sure about this. As Thomas said, different scan codes are ML sent to the system when the NumLock status is changed. I'm afraid you're incorrect here. The down state of an Alt key just changes the way the keyboard handler interprets the actual scan codes. ML It's up to the receiving end (the application, I assume) to decide ML what to do with it. But _any_ application must conform to the common standards (at least to an environment (OS) standards or a common practice). ML While you may want TB to ignore the NumLock status, others may like ML it not to. Well and again, there are some standards (CUA and Win32 for example) that _every_ application should meet. No M$ish "improvements" to the protocols here. OT: do you like the "Microsoft TCP/IP Protocol"? ;-) ML Have you ever seen keyboards without the normal direction keys ML (arrows and Home, End, PgUp, PgDn)? I do. I too, as a user/developer/system administrator/decision maker. ML And I know people who prefer using the NumPad as direction keys to ML the actual direction keys (out of habits). Yes, but this is not related to my problem, isn't it? :-) -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Possible bug when entering characters using Alt+NumPad
Hello! Friday, January 05, 2001, 7:03:02 PM, Tim Musson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lost TF I say it's not a bug in TB. TM Agreed, it seems to be application dependent. M$ NotePad gets a t with TM NumLock on and off. Disagreed, it seems to be an UI inconsistence - like an absent New Message toolbar button in the Folder View window while the Ctrl+N mentioned under Message menu. However, it's a small problem - there are more important ones to be resolved :-). A message to the [EMAIL PROTECTED] will be sent soon. Perhaps I'll try to add this item to the unofficial wishlist also. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hello! Friday, January 05, 2001, 3:41:32 AM, Olivier Reubens [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 1. Set up a separate account for each email address you use. 2. Set each of the accounts up with the appropriate POP3 server info, including username and password. But, for the SMTP (send) server, enter in the server at the ISP you are connected to. This way you don't have to filter the mail. The 'From' will have the correct address. Works OK. OR Well, it will work if the ISP remains the same forever. But this isn't OR the case. It depends where I am which ISP I'll connect to. Having to OR go through all the accounts to change the settings doesn't seem like a OR very good way to go about this. Then ask one of your ISPs for the so-called SMTP authentication on one of the SMTP servers. After that you just need to enter the server name and the related auth data (username and password) into the account properties - as many as you need. Be sure that no one of the domains you're using for you e-mail aren't blocked at this SMTP server. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: The Bat! - bug report
Hello! Friday, January 05, 2001, 12:46:48 AM, Adam [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: A I'm using The Bat! Version 1.48f A Serial Number 4E83F57A A under Windows NT 5.0 Build 2195 Service Pack 1 A and would like to report a bug A The bug description: A I have cc'd this to the list, as it seems to me to be a security A risk as well as a bug. A I have an account which I just use for a mailing list, as the list A sets the reply to to the sender and the list address, I have set the A reply to in the accounts properties to the list address. A Today in error I started creating an e-mail in the mailing list A account, that should have gone from my general account, as it happened A this was a technical support query and contained a product licence A key. I noticed before sending I had chosen the wrong "active account", A and changed from my mailing list account to my general account. A The technical support people hit reply to reply to my message, and the A "reply to" had not changed when I selected the correct "active A account", and so their reply went to a mailing list. A In this instance this seems to be quite a major security flaw, as I A often start in the wrong account, and then use options/active account A to change it, the fact that the reply to doesn't change could be a A security risk, or for people using The Bat for say work/private A messages, potentially very embarrassing. Couldn't confirm, may be I have missed something in your mail? Personally I have 14 accounts (2 of them are phantom, but this doesn't matter). About half a minute ago I started composing a test message and then changed an Active account through the Options - Active Account menu. The From address changed as well as Reply-To; the only thing that remains untouched is my sig which is different from one account to another. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New filters don't work?
Hello! Friday, January 05, 2001, 12:16:58 AM, Pete P [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: PP I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong but it seems that my PP two newest filters simply don't work. Like most(?) TB!-users I PP upgrade every time there's a new final version available and PP everything's been fine until now. PP I have two new filters which I created a couple of days ago - both PP are created exactly the same way as the older ones but... they don't PP work. The mail that should go into its own folder stays in the PP inbox. PP Anybody else have new filters - after upgrading to 1.48f... do they PP work? Yes, I have created at least 3 filters after the 1.48f installation. Why don't you describe these two faulty filters? -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Viewing Image when attach a file??
Hello! Thursday, January 04, 2001, 11:26:40 PM, Delano [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: D I usely use gif files as attachment but it's hard D to see he image you need in the bat. D So i search and find this progie. D Invisible Viewer v1.01 D downl at : http://www.bksoftlab.com/iv/download-iv.html Thanks for the URL. D Next thing i need to know if the bat can use as a HTML editor just D like outlook and Netscape Messenger. D So you can position i.e the picture text ect ect D Please let me know There was a long discussion it this list about the HTML e-mails, TB's ability to create such messages, automatic images download etc. The summary is: e-mail has a "plain text" nature, not HTML/Flash/ActiveX etc. So The Bat! should be able to render HTML messages (and of course it IS able to do it since 1.34, IIRC) but the creation of HTML mails is a "feature" :-). However, the long awaited v2 will be able to create HTML mails using some kind of plugins and/or external editors. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Execute command ON EXIT
Hello! Thursday, January 04, 2001, 10:25:47 PM, Kari Jakobi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lost KJ ...And now to something completely different... KJ How do I get rid of the Taskbar icon of the batch file in KJ use. Hoho! Stop! Don't you gonna tell me to click on the KJ little x in the upper right corner of that window! I want to KJ *hide* it... If you want to hide the icon and window completely you'll need an utility like HideWindow - http://www.winsite.com/info/pc/win95/desktop/hidewndw.zip/downl.html. If you want to "convert" the taskbar icon to a systray icon you may look for a TrayRun (or similar) program. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Execute command ON EXIT
Hello! Thursday, January 04, 2001, 8:12:54 PM, Manfred Ell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kari is there a way I can tell TB! to execute a command when I Kari shut down TB? I think of executing my backup Batchfile. Kari Is this possible? ME I don't think so, but it would be a welcome addition. :-) I think it will be better if one will learn more about the OS in use, especially some basics of scripting. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: A few questions re attachments
Hello! Thursday, January 04, 2001, 9:09:56 PM, Austin Dennis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AD 1. Why does the attachment message flag not appear until you actually click AD on the message? Perhaps it's some sort of legacy limitations from the old message base format. Just IMHO :-) AD 2. Why does the size of the email in the message list not include the size AD of the attachment? Good question. Maybe it's time to compose an add-on to the current wishlist: the size of e-mail message in the message list should looks like the following: xxx (yyy) where xxx is the size of the "text" part of the message (the number currently displayed) and the yyy is the cumulative size of the attachments. AD 3. Why is it that sometimes when you get attachments (images), you get tabs AD at the bottom of the screen, and sometimes you don't? Well, i think that the bottom tabs presence depends on the message internal structure. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Hello! Friday, January 05, 2001, 6:26:39 AM, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It doesn't matter what account you are using on TB, what matters is what CONNECTION you have. Choose whichever ISP is the most reliable for you to connect to, and then use that one for all SMTP. When you are logged on, it is not considered relaying. What is a problem if your connection is with ISP-1 and you try to send mail to the SMTP for ISP-2. OR Well a ruling of the ISPA (www.ispa.be) (belgium organisation OR regulating ISP's in belgium) stipulates that no SMTP server should OR have an "open" line. TF It is not an "open" line if you are connected to it. Hmm... Didn't catch the point, could you please explain? :-) OR In short, ISP's are only allowed to give SMTP OR access to users that reach them from withing their own dial-ins/leased OR lines/DSL..., but not to someone connecting to it via some other OR location on the internet. TF That's what Abigail is saying. For example, your From address is TF @gmx.be, but you are logged in through @abc.be, i.e. dial in through TF them. Then use the SMTP serever of abc.be. That's what I doing here: TF look at my From address and my SMTP server in the headers. I never use TF the GMX SMTP server; in fact I use the same local SMTP server for all TF my five accounts across three countries. TF Relaying would be if I used an SMTP server in Germany for an account TF in Thailand while having dialled in through an ISP in Taiwan. If I use TF the SMTP server of the ISP I dial in through, it is not relaying, TF never mind the From address. Sorry, but you're wrong here. Generally, all SMTP servers are "relays". But the actual server behaviour can significantly vary. You can use ORBS, RBL, DRBL, RSS whatever databases to prevent spammers from sending your their crap, you of course should use some kind of ACL (access.db on sendmail) etc. It depends, as we say here in Russia :-). So we're speaking about so-called "third party relaying" in this thread. This relaying occurs when someone connects to a SMTP server which is serving some number of domains (the actual number doesn't matter here - it can be 1, 2...) and use the the domain _names_ not known as "local" by this server as an argument in the MAIL FROM: _and_ RCPT TO: commands. Here is the example. Imagine that one of my SMTP servers acts as a relay for the following domains: - besta.aernet.ru - schastya.net - athome.net.ru There will be no problems when sending messages to, from or across these domains. But if a client connects to this server and says EHLO hostname.client.net.ru MAIL FROM:[EMAIL PROTECTED] RCPT TO:[EMAIL PROTECTED] then after the last command the server would reply 550 Relaying denied because none of the domains used by this kiddie are "local" to the server. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Adress books
Hello! Friday, January 05, 2001, 6:34:09 AM, Thomas Fernandez [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I tried what would happen if User A (on computer A) the has the general address book open, while user B (on a networked computer B, using the same copy of TB) opens the address book too and adds and entry. User A won't see that new address and can make his own changes. However, when he restarts TB, he *will* see the changes made by User B, while his own mutations are there too. Quite nifty. JA That is very interesting. Thanks for all your input. TF This is a general problem for all files accessable for read-write to TF more than one user on any network. The solution is called "atomicity", TF one transaction (say, update) has to be completed before the next one TF (updating the same) can be started. TF It is not a TB specific problem. Well, the address book located on the LDAP server seems to be the perfect solution :-). -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Possible bug when entering characters using Alt+NumPad
Hello! It seems to be impossible to enter characters using their ANSI codes via Alt+NumPad in TB message editor when the NumPad acts as a cursor control keys :-(. For example, you can try to enter char - it's code is 0149. You have to hold down one of Alt keys while entering 0149 on the NumPad. If Num Lock indicator is lit everything seems to be OK, but if your NumPad is in cursor control mode, you'll probably have an "Add A File (MIME/Base64)" window popping out after pressing [9] (or the last key in the sequence). As far as i understand it's TB (but not only TB) failure - just check the technique described above in the Notepad, WordPad and Agent. However, MS Word and Netscape Communicator failed also :-). The correct behaviour is to ignore the NumPad status. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: New year question
Hello! Wednesday, January 03, 2001, 10:27:45 PM, Alberto Almagioni [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: AA So if it's possible it could be great if you can set up a function AA like "Popup for reply address when From and Reply-To are different" in AA the account (or folder) properties. So if you dcan set up this AA function only where and when you want. AA Is it a possible wish? It is. I voiced it myself a year or so ago. ;-) AA So this is a one-year-later-from-some-one-else request! AA Please include this feature in a next version: could be so useful! Hmmm. This wish isn't bad at all - especially for beginners. But please don't forget that UI shouldn't be complex and _overloaded_. The warning window you have requested could be easily treated as some kind of "nag screen" by power users and IT specialists. Here comes the second idea. IMHO it will be better if one can assign some attribute named "Mailing List" to a particular folder rather than selecting/deselecting some checkbox - the requested feature is useful primarily for the mailing lists but not to an ordinary mail exchange. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Newbie Question
Hello! Thursday, January 04, 2001, 1:12:21 AM, Marck D. Pearlstone [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: TB I do not require fancy features. I just want to send and TB receive Email, and store up to 500Gb of Email safely on TB anther machine in an SQL database. An integrated Spell TB Checker in English would be a nice extra. TB Can someone answer the question IS IT POSSIBLE FOR BAT TO USE TB INTERBASE? MDP Not directly, no, but indirectly it can be done. TB has a very MDP good filtering system which will allow you do do, well, just MDP about anything you like to a received message. YOu can easily MDP export the message and pass it to an external procedure which can MDP archive it into your SQL database. But this method will be extremely slow... I think we can compare it to the well-loaded httpd with the bunch of perl scripts per one client. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Newbie Question
Hello! Thursday, January 04, 2001, 8:45:32 PM, Tony Blomfield [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: lost TB I wish to store my data specifically in interbase IB6 database. Interbase is TB an extremely reliable SQL Database built by Borland Corporation. It is now TB Open source under the Mozilla Licence, and is Free. If neccesary I can write TB my own interface for an appropriate Email Client. Interbase can run on TB Wintel, Solaris, and Linux. TB I do not require fancy features. I just want to send and receive Email, and TB store up to 500Gb of Email safely on anther machine in an SQL database. An TB integrated Spell Checker in English would be a nice extra. TB Can someone answer the question IS IT POSSIBLE FOR BAT TO USE INTERBASE? Why not? Look, you want to store some TB data in some SQL database. All you need is to write some interface module between The Bat! and your DBMS. This module will translate (proxy) The Bat! core calls to the internal message base handlers to the valid SQL syntax. In other words you need to "hook" you module to the TB core. I think that the better way to do it is to write to RIT Labs and ask them for cooperation. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Dupes every time I check mail
Hello! Thursday, January 04, 2001, 2:38:12 AM, Matthias Worch [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: MW I just installed The Bat! and like it so far, but now I got a problem MW that's getting pretty annoying: I set the option to leave the MW messages on the server and delete after 2 days. But now when I get new MW messages it downloads all those messages again and again. Every time I MW get new mail I get those dupes and have to kill them via Menu (and MW when I use the Mail Dispatcher the Receive flag for those Mails is MW set, of course). MW Shouldn't The Bat! receive those Mails ONCE and then delete the MW Receive flag? I want to be able to get my mails once, but still leave MW the copies on the server for 2 days (so that I can get the same mails MW on two different computers) - like this I'm getting the same mails again MW and again, every time I check mail :( Perhaps something is wrong with your POP3 server. To be exact, there is something wrong with the so-called UIDL mechanism which is used by every MUA to determine the presence of a really new messages in the user's mailbox. You should check the output of a raw POP3 session. To do so: 1. Ensure that you have at least 3 new messages in your mailbox. 2. Shutdown The Bat! and any other applications such as mailbox checkers. 3. Launch you telnet client (UNIX shell will be great :-), enable logging to some file and connect to the POP3 server in question. Then type: USER your_pop3_username PASS your_pop3_password LIST UIDL QUIT Repeat the server session for at least 2 times and then compare server replies to the UIDL command in 1st and 2nd sessions. If you'll see any differencies it clearly indicates that POP3 server you're using needs some maintenance or additional tweaking. The first line in your telnet log probably will also contain the POP3 server identification string, such as +OK QPOP (version 3.0.2) at hostname starting. 79106.978566438@hostname This ID can help you resolve this issue by consulting the appropriate documentation. -- Yours sincerely, Andrey G. Sergeev (AKA Andris) http://www.andris.msk.ru/ -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
