Re: Search with Google
Title: Re: Search with Google Hello Bats, Having used both Thunderbird and The Bat! back and forth, I am missing the feature available in Thunderbird in The Bat! - which is to select text in an email, and right-click to select "Search Google for...". I'd like to stay with The Bat! for so many reasons, like much lower memory usage, and also because Thunderbird is soon to become multi-process like Chrome browser. I like one process and low memory usage. Virus-free. www.avg.com I too use The Bat! (for personal email) and Thunderbird (for business email). What do you mean by Thunderbird becoming multi-process? I'm not familiar with that term. What does it mean and how should I expect my email to change? Thanks for any information you can provide. -- Mike Current version is 9.1.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Account tree font size
MG>> The font on this is really too big. Is there any way I can change MG>> the font size of the account tree? I've tried the Help search but nothing has com up. Go to Options -->> System -->Account Tree Font And you can determine the font and size. THANK YOU!! I have no idea why I couldn't find this on my own. Mike Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Account tree font size
I am using The Bat! version 6.4.0.2 (32 bit) with Windows 7. My interface is set up with a full-height account tree on the left. The font on this is really too big. Is there any way I can change the font size of the account tree? I've tried the Help search but nothing has com up. Thanks for any suggestions. Also, I just noticed how far behind I am with my version. Should I upgrade and how many problems will I run into if I do? -- Mike Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html --- This email has been checked for viruses by AVG. https://www.avg.com Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Preview pane and main menu disappeared - revised
Thanks very much for the suggestions. Really appreciated. Mike > Hello Mike, > On Fri, 4 Jan 2019 15:50:31 -0700 GMT (05-Jan-19, 5:50 +0700 GMT), > Mike Greenbaum wrote: >> MAU, >> Thanks for your response. >>> Hello Mike, >>>> However, I still cannot figure out how to restore the toolbar or >>>> main menu which contains File, Edit, etc. >>> If your Main menu has disappeared, how the heck did click on Workspace >>> and Message auto-view? >> I guess I was assuming that The Bat! had a typical menu which >> begins with File and then Edit and then other sections. My Messages, >> Specials, Folder, Account toolbar I do have and didn't lose that >> one. I guess I was just mistaken about a File, Edit, etc. toolbar. > I think you have the toolbar with the icons, but you are missing the > one with the words (i.e. the Main Menu), is that correct? > Try this: >>> Anyway, I assume you have never done any customisation of your menus >>> or toolbars, have you?. If so, I would suggest that you right click on >>> any toolbar and select Customise. Once the Customise window opens, >>> click on the "Restore to default" button on bottom left corner. > Once you right-click on any toolbar icon and select Customise, you > have under tab "Menues and Toolbars" the tab "Containers". > In that tab, you have the container "Main Menu". Here you can create > it and add the menu items you want to see. > HTH. Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Preview pane and main menu disappeared - revised
MAU, Thanks for your response. > Hello Mike, >> Correction to my previous email below: I found what I thought was >> the preview pane but apparently is called the Message space and was >> able to restore it by clicking in the Workspace menu and turning on >> Message auto-view. so that problem is solved. > You should also be aware of the possibilities of Workspace/Window > Split Mode. >> However, I still cannot figure out how to restore the toolbar or >> main menu which contains File, Edit, etc. > If your Main menu has disappeared, how the heck did click on Workspace > and Message auto-view? I guess I was assuming that The Bat! had a typical menu which begins with File and then Edit and then other sections. My Messages, Specials, Folder, Account toolbar I do have and didn't lose that one. I guess I was just mistaken about a File, Edit, etc. toolbar. > Anyway, I assume you have never done any customisation of your menus > or toolbars, have you?. If so, I would suggest that you right click on > any toolbar and select Customise. Once the Customise window opens, > click on the "Restore to default" button on bottom left corner. Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Preview pane and main menu disappeared - revised
Correction to my previous email below: I found what I thought was the preview pane but apparently is called the Message space and was able to restore it by clicking in the Workspace menu and turning on Message auto-view. so that problem is solved. However, I still cannot figure out how to restore the toolbar or main menu which contains File, Edit, etc. Thanks. I'm not sure I have the correct term, but the preview pane, the part of the main screen which shows me a preview of the message below my list of emails, has disappeared. I have no idea how to get it back. I did a search for Preview Pane, but that gave me nothing. Also, my main menu has disappeared. This is the menu which has File, Edit, etc up at the top. Again, I don't know what I did to cause it to disappear, but can anyone suggest a way to get it back? Thanks. -- Mike Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Preview pane and main menu disappeared
I'm not sure I have the correct term, but the preview pane, the part of the main screen which shows me a preview of the message below my list of emails, has disappeared. I have no idea how to get it back. I did a search for Preview Pane, but that gave me nothing. Also, my main menu has disappeared. This is the menu which has File, Edit, etc up at the top. Again, I don't know what I did to cause it to disappear, but can anyone suggest a way to get it back? Thanks. -- Mike Current version is 8.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Thanks!
Thanks very much to Thomas Fernandez and MFPA for the responses to my question about moving TB! and for their suggestions. I'm doing this as a new email since I always seem to reply to people incorrectly and get chastised for it.:) -- Mike Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Moving The Bat!
In the next week or so, I will be replacing the computer on which The Bat! is located. I'm a registered user of 6.4.0.2 (32-bit) currently on a Windows 7 machine. I will be moving to another new Windows 7 machine which will support 64-bit (actually, the old computer supports 64-bit--not sure why I'm using the 32-bit). I have a current backup named BatBackup2.tbk which is stored off-site. Since I'm a bit of a dunce at this, can someone let me know where I can find instructions about moving everything to a new machine? I would assume I'd download the latest version of The Bat! -- or can I get the same version--which would be best to do? Can I then simply select Restore from the Tools menu and everything will be back to normal? Or is that making things too simple? Thanks. -- Mike Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address Book Question
Thanks to all who helped with my Address Book problem. I created a new address book, created groups under it which mirrored the old groups, and then copied and pasted the contacts from the old groups to the new ones. I was able to create a new group at the correct level. I deleted the old groups. All seems to be fine. I appreciate all the suggestions I received. Thanks again. Mike Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Address Book Question
MG>> I'm trying to add a new group to my address book which I haven't MG>> done in years, but TB keeps making the new group a sub-group of whatever group is highlighted. MG>> My current groups are, for example: Friends, Family, First Week. MG>> I want to add a Second Week as a group on the same level as First MG>> Week. But TB keeps creating the group under First Week. MG>> How can I add another group at the same level as the others? > Am using version 7-1-8 > You have to Highlight Personal Address Book at the top and then right > click to go ahead and add new group. > Hope this works for you. There is no Personal Address Book at the top. At the very top is my first group. Nothing above that. Mike Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Address Book Question
I'm currently using version 6.4.0.2 (32-bit) with Windows 7. I'm trying to add a new group to my address book which I haven't done in years, but TB keeps making the new group a sub-group of whatever group is highlighted. My current groups are, for example: Friends, Family, First Week. I want to add a Second Week as a group on the same level as First Week. But TB keeps creating the group under First Week. How can I add another group at the same level as the others? Thanks. Mike Greenbaum -- Current version is 7.1 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Backup question
I'm currently using version 6.4.0.2 (32-bit) with Windows 7. I backup my Bat every day at around 5:30 pm with The Bat backup utility that places a .tbk file in a folder on my C drive. Each night, that .tbk file gets backed up to an off-site cloud location through IBackup. If my computer totally crashed and I had to get a new computer, am I correct in saying that I could then download whatever the current version of TheBat! is and restore the .tbk file and have my Bat program be exactly the same as before the crash with all the emails available and readable, etc? In other words, is the .tbk backup fill all I need to be functioning again? I ask this because I've noticed that in my user folder under AppData||Roaming there are a number of TheBat! files. One of the Roaming files has the name of my account, and it's 2.2 gb in size. Do I need to back these Roaming files up as well, or are all of these in my .tbk file? Thanks. Mike Greenbaum -- - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3722/7242 - Release Date: 03/24/14 Current version is 6.6 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
New version?
I'd written for help because after reinstalling The Bat (when I had to also reinstall my Windows 7 operating system), the Preferences window would not enlarge and would not allow me to make any changes. Basically, no one had a suggestion that worked, so I guess I'm going to try to solve the problem by upgrading to a new version of The Bat. I'm currently using 4.2.44.2. Does anyone have a suggestion as to which version is the most stable? The current version seems to be 6.3.2, but when I try to see what's new in that version, the link is broken. That doesn't make me feel very comfortable about that version. Thanks. Mike Greenbaum Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Preferences window won't enlarge
On Saturday 8 March 2014 at 6:53:46 PM, in mid:1906133626.20140308115...@dakotacom.net, Michael S. Greenbaum wrote: Since re-installing The Bat! (v. 4.2.44.2) after having had to re-install Windows 7, when I go to Options|Preferences, the window that comes up is a small square window (maybe 15-20 lines long) that won't allow me to enlarge it or change it in any way. It, appears to be frozen. Mine is non-resizeable as well. But most of the options panes are fully displayed, and those that do not fit have scroll bars. There are no scroll bars on the Preferences window and the option panes do not fully display. How can I get the Preferences window to display correctly so that I can see the full page? Apart from Jack's suggestion to try re-installing TB!, maybe you could tweak a windows display setting about font sizes, or maybe there is something in the TB! registry entry. This all happened after I did reinstall The Bat! I know nothing about registry entries and would be loath to touch them without expert guidance. Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Preferences window won't enlarge
Hello Mike, On Monday, March 10, 2014 you wrote: On Saturday 8 March 2014 at 6:53:46 PM, in mid:1906133626.20140308115...@dakotacom.net, Michael S. Greenbaum wrote: Since re-installing The Bat! (v. 4.2.44.2) after having had to re-install Windows 7, when I go to Options|Preferences, the window that comes up is a small square window (maybe 15-20 lines long) that won't allow me to enlarge it or change it in any way. It, appears to be frozen. Mine is non-resizeable as well. But most of the options panes are fully displayed, and those that do not fit have scroll bars. MG There are no scroll bars on the Preferences window and the option panes do not fully display. How can I get the Preferences window to display correctly so that I can see the full page? Apart from Jack's suggestion to try re-installing TB!, maybe you could tweak a windows display setting about font sizes, or maybe there is something in the TB! registry entry. MG This all happened after I did reinstall The Bat! MG I know nothing about registry entries and would be loath to touch them without expert guidance. MG MG Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: MG http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html MG - MG No virus found in this message. MG Checked by AVG - www.avg.com MG Version: 2014.0.4335 / Virus Database: 3722/7177 - Release Date: 03/10/14 This is just a shot in the dark but did you try adjusting your screen resolution or screen font? I don't know what version of Windows you're running but you should be able to right-click on a blank part of the desktop and get a screen resolution menu up. I had display problems with TB! a while back and it was all because I had my screen resolution messed up. I was trying to get the screen font bigger and was successful but it messed up the way TB! displayed things. As I said, a shot in the dark. Jack, Thanks for the suggestion, but this is the only window in al of TheBat which is giving me a problem. Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Need Advice on Backing Up and Reinstalling
I am currently using The Bat! version 4.2.44.2 on a PC with a Windows 7 operating system. I received an error message this morning saying that my copy of Windows 7 was not a genuine one. It is genuine and came loaded on my laptop from Dell. I called Dell support, and after trying a number of other workarounds, they've decided that my Windows 7 has become corrupted--or at least some files on it have--and I need to have the operating system reinstalled. They will work with me on this, but obviously it means I'm going to have to reinstall all my programs after the operating system is re-done, and that includes The Bat! My questions are three: 1a. Will I be able to reinstall the same version of The Bat? It has given me no problems, and I seem to be reading that people are having problems with version 6. I still have the thebat_pro_4-2-44.msi file from when I originally installed it and I do have my Key Block. 1b. If I have to use a newer version of The Bat! are there any changes I need to know about that will affect my ability to retrieve my mail from the backups? 2. What files will I need to back up? ---My mail directory setting in Preferences lists: %APPDATA%\The Bat!\ I assume this means my mail directory is in C:\Users\MSG\AppData\Roaming\TheBat!\Janus1 where MSG is my user name and Janus1 is my mail account name. I already back up my Users\MSG directory every night to an online backup site called IBackup. ---In addition, I do an automatic daily backup to a file called C:\TheBatBackups\Batbackup2.tbk This daily backup is set to back up all address books and all accounts. This also is sent every night to the IBackup site. ---Is there anything else I need to back up in order to retrieve all my mail after I reinstall TheBat!? 3. After I reinstall TheBat! I will copy my backed up Users\MSG file onto my computer. Do I also have to restore the .tbk file to The Bat! or will just moving the previous User folder be enough? Thanks for any help. Mike -- Current version is 6.1.8 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Encryption concerns
Why is everyone so concerned about encrypting their email? It must be clear by now the that US National Security Agency--as well as the comparable security agencies in every other civilized country in the world--can break all encryption codes and most likely were involved in setting up the encryption codes in the first place. The good news is that from now on when I forget one of my passwords I can probably file a request with the NSA and have them send it to me. :) -- Mike -- Mike Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Encryption concerns - it was meant as humor
Hello Mike, Monday, September 9, 2013, 10:57:59 AM, you wrote: It must be clear by now the that US National Security Agency--as well as the comparable security agencies in every other civilized country in the world--can break all encryption codes and most likely were involved in setting up the encryption codes in the first place. I would have to see a list of articles verifying that claim. Remember, for one example, that 'Snowden' was using some form of email encryption. I use OpenPGP with The Bat!, thus an RSA4096 subset, and seriously doubt that, given they didn't get my pass-phrase, they could break it in a 100 years or less with distributed computing even. As for being in on the development, it's open source code, available to all of us to verify no back doors. Current German Tech News Moments are saying, in their talking-points, that people should begin using GPG4win and other OpenPGP . What i sent was meant as humor, a joke. I was not serious. Mike Current version is 5.2.2 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Help with removing old email addresses
I haven't been here in a long time, but I'm having a problem with old email addresses which appear when I begin to address an email. For example, if I start to write to John Smith, I may get the following choices in the To: line-- johnsm...@yahoomail.com johnsm...@googlemail.com johnsm...@someotheraddress.com I know how to change an address if it's in my address book, but these are people to whom I've written in the past, and The Bat is giving me the choice of using them. But some of those addresses might be old ones which are no longer active, and I don't know how to delete them. Consequently, I often choose the wrong address, and then the email gets bounced back to me. Can anyone help with deleting addresses which are not in my address book but are suggested by The Bat from my history? -- Mike Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with removing old email addresses
Where do I go to select the addresses? They appear as choices when I'm typing in the To: line. I can arrow up and down the choices, but the delete key doesn't do anything. Sorry for being so dense. Can anyone help with deleting addresses which are not in my address book but are suggested by The Bat from my history? Use Arrows Up/Down to select the address, then Delete-button to delete. Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Help with removing old email addresses
Rick, At first I didn't see any tabs at all, but I went into the View menu, found Display Folder Tabs, and was able to remove them exactly as you suggested. Thanks very much!!! Mike Where do I go to select the addresses? They appear as choices when I'm typing in the To: line. I can arrow up and down the choices, but the delete key doesn't do anything. Sorry for being so dense. No problem - if you don't get it to work, then it's cumbersome. :) But the procedure works here on my machine (using version 4.2.42). When I start typing, TheBat! suggests what's in history (the recent addresses). If there are entries I know I won't need I just arrow down to the ones I want to erase - and pressing the Delete-button executes my wish. To me it's as easy as that. So I am not sure how to suggest anything different or a more correct way to do it. That is not working in v5 What you CAN do is go to the lower left and click the ADDRESSES tab and purge out any you don't want Current version is 4.2.42 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: email traveling
I see you apparently have the professional version of TB! in which case you can download and use Voyager with your current license. I'd load that up on a USB drive of your preference and use that as your home copy and just take it on the road with you. That's what I do and take it between home and the office everyday as well as with me on any trips. Works great and no need to sync files. I'm a bit confused. Does one download mail to the desktop version and to the Voyager on the USB drive? Or do you use only the Voyager version and always download mail to it, no matter which computer you're on--never using the desktop version of TB at all? -- Mike Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Moving from Outlook 2003
1A. Can TB data files be stored on a networked external hard drive so that we can access the mail from two computers and a laptop? Doing this here every day: one desktop (hosting the files actually, but works with a network-share, too) and one notebook used in the office sometimes, mostly on the road. I am opening TB only on one machine at a time (so I think one licence is fine, isn't it?) and have the files available as offline files so TB finds them in the rightplace when I am not connected to the server. I'm not sure what you mean by having the files available as offline files. Would this be necessary for me since I'm not on a server? It's just a home network. -- Mike Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Moving from Outlook 2003
I'm sure this topic has been covered if someone could help me find the information. I'm currently using TB 3.95 for one business. However, I'm involved in a second business which uses Microsoft Outlook 2003. Please don't tell me how bad it is. I already know that. I'm trying to convince my partner to move from Outlook to TB, and I have some questions: 1A. Can TB data files be stored on a networked external hard drive so that we can access the mail from two computers and a laptop? We do NOT need to access the mail at the same time, but we do need to look at it and respond to it from the two desktops and the laptop at different times easily. 1B Will we have to buy three versions of TB (one for each computer and one for the laptop) and still be able to access the same data files from all three computers? I'm a bit fuzzy on how this would work. 2. Our Outlook mail is currently in a PST file which is approaching 1 gb. Our mailboxes have folders and sub-folders. Will TB import all the mail and mailboxes correctly so that we won't have lost anything? I'm not asking for a guarantee here, just some advice on the general reliability of the import process. 3. What we'd do, probably is download a trial version of TB onto my computer (since I already have some experience with it) and test the importing and data file setup. I definitely want to keep the test installation completely separate from my current one. Is it possible to run two different versions so they don't interfere with one another? Thanks for any help. -- Mike Current version is 3.99 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Outgoing Mail Delays
How weird that this topic should come up. I'm using version 3.95.6, and about two weeks ago I began getting a 40 second delay (I can see the seconds count up in the control center) when I send mail. The mail goes out, but there's always a 40-second delay. The status tells me that it connected and that it got through my ISP's authentication process, but the delay occurs at about 6-7 seconds when the center shows sending message header. The second weird thing is that I use both a a business and a personal server from my ISP. I get no outgoing delay if I use the personal server, but I do get the delay if I use the business server. The third weird thing is that my partner, who sits 15 feet away from me and uses Outlook for email but uses the same ISP, has exactly the same problem: a 40-second delay on outgoing mail from the business server but not from the personal one. Two different computers, two different mail programs, but the same problem. Our ISP has been helpful but can come up with no answer. They try the same things from outside computers (using our account settings and passwords) but do not get the same delay. We've tried telnetting to the mail servers (both business and personal) and get no delay at all with the personal server but a 3-5 second delay (insignificant, they say) with the business server. It's probably not a Bat problem, so I apologize for bringing it up, but my ISP claims it's not an ISP problem either. Just fishing for answers anywhere I can. Thanks for listening. -- Mike Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Moving Account Properties
I'd like to move the icon for Account Properties from the Configuration toolbar to the Standard toolbar. I can see how to remove it, but then I can't find it to move it back onto the Standard toolbar. Are there directions for doing this? -- Mike Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Thanks - Copying templates to several groups at once
Do those persons appear in other groups with an empty forwarding template? What happens when you address the whole group with Roelof, Right you are again! The person was also in another group with a different forwarding template. Once I changed the other filtering template, the forward worked correctly. That brings up a second question. I have about 15 groups under one address book folder. I'd like to have them all to have the same templates. Must I change each group one at a time or is there a way to make changes to all the groups at once? Also, is it possible to copy all the templates from an older group to a newly created group, rather than having to retype each template in the new group? I can't change the templates at the account level because there are other address book folders in that account which need to have different templates. Thanks. -- Mike Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Forwarding
I have a Forward set up for a group as such: %FROM=Mike Greenbaum [EMAIL PROTECTED] %TEXT I've also tried the above with %QUOTES and the same thing happens. When I click on Forward, the old message is retained UNTIL I put in the name of a person from the group. Then the message disappears. I do not have any specific personal properties set for Forward, and the people are not duplicated in my address book. Any idea why on a Forward, the message I'm trying to forward gets deleted? The Forward setting for the Account is simply %TEXT Thanks. -- Mike Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Forwarding
Do those persons appear in other groups with an empty forwarding template? What happens when you address the whole group with Roelof, Right you are again! The person was in another group with a different forwarding template. Once I changed that one, the forward worked correctly. That brings up a second question. I have about 15 groups under one address book folder, and I'd like to have them all have the same templates. Must I change each group one at a time or is there a way to make changes to all the groups at once? The account level won't work because there are other address book folders which I need to have different templates. Thanks. -- Mike Current version is 3.95.08 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Backup and Address Books
I regularly use the backup utility of The Bat! to backup my mail files. What's annoying is that every time I must re-select which address books I want to back up. LVK I *think* the last selection is automatically remembered if you LVK back-up using the scheduler, I think the same, but then I deleted all those extra address books in my setup. I had deleted the Intermediate and Trusted Root Folders from my Address Book, but they still showed up in the backup utility list. So I went to C:\Program Files\TheBat!|Mail and found they were still there. So I deleted them from that folder. I closed TB, reopened it, and checked the backup utility. The Intermediate and Trusted Root items were still there. I went back to Program Files\TheBat!\Mail only to find the folders I'd deleted had been apparently recreated when I reopened TB. Wonder why this is. Seems unfriendly of TB to continue to force me to deal with something I don't want. -- Mike Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Backup and Address Books
I regularly use the backup utility of The Bat! to backup my mail files. What's annoying is that every time I must re-select which address books I want to back up. I don't understand why I can't set a default for which address books I want backed up--with the option to change them if I want. Instead, I'm given some option by TheBat! which I must uncheck (Intermediate CA--I have no idea what that is and don't use it) and then re-check the ones I want. Why does the utility not give me the option of setting the address book backup defaults? -- Mike Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Blue Lines
A friend sent me an email that he asked me to edit and return to him. When I hit reply, I get his text with a thick blue line to the left, and it's nearly impossible to edit what he sent me in any coherent way. What causes the blue line? Is it possible to turn that off? Frustrating. -- Mike Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Forward Message Question
MG Whenever I try to forward mail to people in one of my address MG book groups, the text of the message I'm trying to forward gets deleted. I tried your forwarding template and that works fine, so I guess you're bitten by duplicate address book entries or you made some typo in your template. You were exactly correct. I did have duplicate entries, and after I corrected them, things worked. Thanks very much. Mike -- Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Templates for a Beginner
First question: I found the following in an article by Gerd Ewald and edited by Marck D. Pearlstone on How to Use Regular Expressions: You have to download a DLL written by Dirk Heiser (http://www.Dirk-Heiser.de/RegExTest/RegExTest.zip) and copy it into your TB-directory. That link is no longer a good one. Does anyone know how to find this file? Second question: Is the above Ewald article the best tutorial on how a non-technical novice can learn to use templates? If not, can you suggest another? Third question: I've used TB since 2000, but never taken much advantage of anything it can do. I have a few simple Quick Templates, but I'm interested in learning more of the basics of template construction. For example, is it possible to create a new message or a reply and have it show one of three different email account addresses in the FROM line dependent upon the person to whom it is going without my having to remember to change the FROM line? For example, my emails to this mailing list often get rejected the first time because I forget to change the FROM line from my default business address to the personal address I registered here with. :) A direction to resources which might help me do this, if it's possible, would be appreciated. Thanks. -- Mike Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Christmas Edition
Last night I ordered The Bat! Christmas edition. As of today I've not yet received anything other than a confirmation that the order was placed. I haven't received an indication of where or how to download the file or what my new license number will be. Does anyone know how long this usually takes? Thanks -- Mike Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Returning to previous versions
If I try it and decide I don't like it, how do I return to my previous version which is 2.01.3? Create a complete backup prior to installing the new version. Then restore it in case you want it back. By complete backup, Peter means a backup of the program files directory as well, not just a backup using the built-in backup tool. Would I have the complete program files if I backed up everything in C:\Program Files\The Bat! or are there other files lurking elsewhere on my hard drive? -- Mike Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Returning to previous versions
Thanks to all who responded. I certainly hope I won't need to return to my current version, but it's helpful to know how to do that should I need to. -- Mike Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Returning to previous versions
The new Christmas edition says one can try it for 30 days, but it also says to install it over the previous version. If I try it and decide I don't like it, how do I return to my previous version which is 2.01.3? -- Mike Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Address Book Nesting
Is it possible in the address book to have groups inside of a group? My main folder, for example, is called Classes. Under that I have groups called class1, class2, class3, class4, etc. Some of these classes are no longer active, but I don't want to delete the groups. I want to move the whole group (class 2 and class 4 for example) inside a folder under Classes, called inactive classes. I want to end up with: Classes Class1 Contact1 Contact2 Contact 3 Class3 Contact1 Contact2 Contact 3 Inactive Classes Class2 Contact1 Contact2 Contact 3 Class4 Contact1 Contact2 Contact 3 I haven't been able to figure out how to do that. Thanks. -- Mike Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Address Book Question
I'm using TB 2.01.3. I'd like to have the Address Book display peoples names by last name and then first name so they are easy to locate. But when I send an email, I'd like the To: line to show the first name before the last name and then the email address. Is there a way to do this so that I don't have to reverse the names manually each time? I have a feeling there should be an obvious solution which I haven't figured out. Thanks for any help. -- Mike Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Address Book Question
On Saturday, January 06, 2007, Peter Kerekes wrote: Mike I'd like to have the Address Book display peoples names by last name Mike and then first name so they are easy to locate. Open Address book, go to |View| |Sort by| choose |Last name| Mike But when I send an email, I'd like the To: line to show the first Mike name before the last name and then the email address. In properties choose: |Display Name as | First, Middle, Last. It's true that with your method sorting in the address book is done by last name, but the names are still shown in the address book with first name first. I can live with this if necessary, but ideally--and I suggest this for some later update if it's not available now--I'd like to have the option of having the address book show the last name first while the email shows the first name first. Thanks. -- Mike Current version is 3.95.06 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Question about Voyager
I'm a bit puzzled about Voyager. Does one buy it separately or does it come automatically with The Bat! Professional? I'm currently using 2.01.3 Business Edition and am thinking of taking advantage of the Christmas sale to upgrade, but I'm not sure whether Voyager is sold separately or as part of Professional. Thanks for any clarification. -- Mike Current version is 3.95.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Problem with Address Book
On Monday, October 09, 2006, Robin Anson wrote: Just check that Hide items if not explicitly selected is unticked in the properties of ALL the groups, otherwise you will get behaviour like that. That did it. After checking Hide items in all the groups, I was able to delete duplicates and have one listing for each person remain, showing up both in the root list and in the group list(s). The address book is still a bit confusing to me, but you've helped me clear up all the immediate problems. Has the address book been changed in any significant manner in versions later than the one I'm using: 2.01.3 Business? Thanks again for all your help! Mike -- Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Problem with Address Book
I am currently using the business edition 2.01.3 on a PC using XP Pro with plenty of memory and hard drive space. I need to set up groups within a major address book. Let's call the address book Club.I need four or more groups within that. Club Class A Members Class B Members Class C Members Class D Members To complicate the matter, one person can be in two or more groups. Question 1 - I can set up the groups with no problem, but if I enter the people in a group, they do not show up in the overall Club list. If I enter them in the overall Club list and mark them as being in a group on the Properties page, then they disappear from the overall Club list and show up only in the Group list. How do I get them to show up in both places so that I have the choice of sending a mailing to all the members in the Club list or only to members of a specific group? Question 2 - Also, sometimes, the same name shows up twice in a group and if I delete one of them, they will occasionally both disappear. Why? Question 3 - When I try to delete a listing for a person, I get some kind of message that makes no sense to me at all: The group ___ hides its items unless it is specifically selected. Do you want to remove items associated only with this group from the address book? What does this mean? I can make no sense out of that message at all. Question 4 - Do later versions correct some of the problems I'm having? Mike Greenbaum Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Problem with Address Book
Robin, Thanks. That partially helped. But I had 6 items in the group and, after unticking the Hide items line, four of them now do show up in the root list, but two do not. Does it matter whether I created the item originally in the root list or in the group list? Any way to change this without totally retyping items? I had never heard of cut marks, but I'll try to remember to include them. I assume they go after my signature? Where would they go on a reply like this? I also put them under my signature here. Mike -- On Monday, October 09, 2006, Robin Anson wrote: On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 at 09:36:34 -0700, Mike wrote: Question 1 - I can set up the groups with no problem, but if I enter the people in a group, they do not show up in the overall Club list. If I enter them in the overall Club list and mark them as being in a group on the Properties page, then they disappear from the overall Club list and show up only in the Group list. How do I get them to show up in both places so that I have the choice of sending a mailing to all the members in the Club list or only to members of a specific group? Edit the properties of the group so that Hide items if not explicitly selected is not ticked. The purpose of this is (to quote from the help) When checked (default) contacts are shown only in the Group but not in the root the group belongs to. Question 2 - Also, sometimes, the same name shows up twice in a group and if I delete one of them, they will occasionally both disappear. Why? Don't know Question 3 - When I try to delete a listing for a person, I get some kind of message that makes no sense to me at all: The group ___ hides its items unless it is specifically selected. Do you want to remove items associated only with this group from the address book? What does this mean? I can make no sense out of that message at all. Relates to the answer to question 1. It's asking if you just want to remove it from the group, or also from the address book. PS. You have no cut mark towards the end of your message. This is required by the group rules and it is used because some email clients (including, of course, TB) automatically strip off everything after the cut mark when replying. A cut mark consists of dash dash space on a line by itself. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Problem with Address Book
Robin: Interesting. When I unchecked the groups on the item's properties in the group list, the item reappeared in the root list and disappeared from the group list (as expected), but when I then went to the properties for the item in the root list and checked them, the person disappeared again from the root list and reappeared in the group list. Can't seem to keep this item in both places, even though other items in that group are in both places. Mike -- On Monday, October 09, 2006, Robin Anson wrote: On Mon, 9 Oct 2006 at 14:32:23 -0700, Mike wrote: Thanks. That partially helped. But I had 6 items in the group and, after unticking the Hide items line, four of them now do show up in the root list, but two do not. Hmm, I'm not sure how that could be the case. Look at the address book entry itself (i.e. select Properties on the item) and on the first tab you should see both the address book and the group listed. Try unselecting the group that page and see if the entry reappears in the root list. Does it matter whether I created the item originally in the root list or in the group list? It shouldn't Any way to change this without totally retyping items? Try as above I had never heard of cut marks, but I'll try to remember to include them. I assume they go after my signature? They go at the end of the content of your message. It could go after your name, or (as mine does) before your name. No one seems much fussed by that. But if you have other stuff like cookies or system configuration, it should go before that. Where would they go on a reply like this? I also put them under my signature here. That was fine, and it worked properly. Do you have a separate template for this list? If so, it's useful to put the cut mark and your system configuration in it. Something like: -- Mike Using The Bat! v%THEBATVERSION %WINDOWSPLATFORMNAME %- %WINDOWSMAJORVERSION.%WINDOWSMINORVERSION %- Build %WINDOWSBUILDNUMBER %WINDOWSCSDVERSION That gives you a signature much like mine below. Current version is 3.85.03 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
