Re: Account configuration file
On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 16:19:18 +0100, you wrote: I thought about that, too. But what would happen if you wanted to change something in your account setup? What is stored in those files? Column settings? Filter rules? If you changed these, it could be a real mess to recreate your backup .cfg files :-( The make-multiple-files-and-just-copy-right-one solution had occured to me. but you stated it right on the nose why I'm not feeling very comfortable in doing it that way. If the file _ONLY_ has account details, it wouldn't be a problem. But it appears also templates are stored in it. Experimenting so far only resulted in crashing TheBat! several times :-( -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Re[2]: Account configuration file
On Sun, 14 Jan 2001 12:24:59 +0100, you wrote: Is it off-topic if I ask you, Olivier and everybody else possed with the idea of making TB changing accounts automatically, why you think this preferable to taking advantage of the great services on the web that enables you to set up TB with only *one* mailbox? I do not _WANT_ one mailbox. I _WANT_ (=need) multiple identities, I _WANT_ (=need) mail accounts from multiple domains. The only "strange" thing here is that I'm getting my mailboxes from different providers, if I had all my mailboxes at one provider, there wouldn't be a problem, but alas, this isn't the case. To stress the point: I am not asking a question about ISP's, SMTP's and what not. I am simply asking why anyone would *ever* want to set up TB with more than *one* mailbox when it isn't necessary. if it weren't necessary, I wouldn't even be here asking questions :-) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 22:31:53 -0800, you wrote: customers), against a table of allowed IP addresses. I really don't think the from email address on the email makes any difference here, but rather the IP it originates from. At least one of the ISP's I'm using checks the "from" and just denies any mail that doesn't have a valid address, and it doesn't only check the domain, it checks the mailboxname too. Apparently (so they claim) they do this as a means of making sure users of their services have set up their mail client properly. Can't really say this is bad practice, I'm getting LOTS of mails where a reply will return with "mail address unknown" or something similar. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Re[2]: Multiple email everything.
On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 20:06:27 -0800, you wrote: Quick and short from what I've read you might try centralinfo.net. There you can host your domain, website, pop and smtp mail from any location or web access. Price is cheap enough at $8.00 US per month for a long list of services and disk space. The only draw-back I've seen is a curious person could see your domain is on a uslive.net virtual server in the header (see mine). I find this trivial do to the great customer support the give. They're ALL cheap enough at offering certain services, and some are cheap at service a but expensive at service b. With other ISP it's just the other way around. This is why I'm currently using 6 ISP's to get everything I need done. Most can't offer EVERYTHING I need, and of the few that do, they simply charge too much for the whole package of services I need. What I REALLY need, is my own dedicated server, but I can't afford the cost of a dedicated SDSL or T1 or comparable speed link. So we have a server hosting at one location (contract stating which services we can run, so can't put an SMTP there), and web sites at another ISP, and ... ) -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Re[2]: Multiple email everything.
On Sat, 13 Jan 2001 06:45:30 +0100, you wrote: But, nothing I suggested will prevent you from this. Simply set up as many mailboxes as you like and let each have it own "From" and "Reply"-name - but let all have *the same* smtp-settings. I promise you, that this will work, as I am doing it currently! It would require an SMTP that allows me to connect and use regardless of where I connected from. And I haven't found one of those yet. Still need to check the ones you gave, will get you an answer on that soon :-) But you have no viable alternative because your ISP's do not *allow* you any alternative. Who is dictating then? The ISPA (local governing body for belgium ISP's) and EuroISPA (same but for europe) do not allow belgium (european) ISP's to have open SMTP servers. What I meant was this: If you start using one of the suggested addresses and get your various correspondents used to send to *that* address, you'll be able to enjoy the benefits of using a *web-account* for sending and retrieving mail - namely, the benefit of reading your mail where ever there is a device with a browser. After your messages are read on the web-interface of your web-account, you just mark them all "unread" and they are ready for TB to download them when you get home to your PC. I don't WANT webmail. I hate it, tried using hotmail for our mail needs once. It's slow, uncomfortable and requires you to be connected to read mail. Something I definately don't want to do when I'm using the GSM to dial into. Customers should send inquiries/questions... to the mailboxes of the company (domain) they're interested in. And even after 1 year of abandonning the trial we still get occasional mails there. Don't wanna go there again. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Account configuration file
Hi, First. DON'T ask my _WHY_ I want what I'm asking here, it's already been put off topic, and you can review the history of it in previous messages... - The information for each The Bat! mail account is apparently stored in a file called ACCOUNT.CFG (stored at drive:\TheBat\Main\Mailbox\), unfortunately, this information is stored in some binary format and I feel hesitant to just go changing the stuff stored in there. (why did they not use simple INI files here :-( sigh ) Is there a formal description of how this file is made up ? If yes, I could modify my "OnConnect" program to fill in the details of my current ISP and change the SMTP server setting depending on what ISP I'm connected to. This would basically solve my problem altogether. If a description is not available, Is there a way to modify the information by calling some other program given a correct set of commandline parameters ? (maybe something like /TheBat.exe /SetAccount:"accountname,smtpserver,mailbox,password") is available or maybe there is an API call I can do into one of the DLL's ? I've been giving TheBat! a thourough testing, and it's addressing all of my needs EXCEPT for a more automatic way to change SMTP servers of the various accounts. Olivier Reubens. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
On Fri, 12 Jan 2001 15:51:47 +0100, you wrote: I've finally managed to read my way through the complete thread, but I still don't understand why you can't use the SMTP-server of one of the web-mail providers offering SMTP-by-login and then 1) set up TB with only *one* account I need to be able to distinguish OUTGOING mailboxes. When customers write to say [EMAIL PROTECTED] and a reply is sent by me or my colleagues, it should have [EMAIL PROTECTED] in the "from" so when customers in turn reply, it nicely arrives in the support inbox again and so on. Same for info@... sales@... and several others. I need this for multiple domains, which are (unfortunately) hosted at different ISP's. This is a cost issue. I'm currently using a somewhat awkward setup of different ISP's and stuff, but I'm paying less than a third of what the cheapest single ISP could offer. (if they COULD offer each of the items I need in the first place). In US currency, the total budget I'm paying NOW for all our internet requirements is a 4 figure sum aching to a 5 figure one each year. Paying 3 times as much is TOO much. To make matters worse, I need to be able to do all this from various places. Connecting to the server of a different ISP depending on where I'm connecting from. And I'm changing locations at least 3 times a day. (can you see me changing account info for 6-7 accounts, 3+ times a day)... sigh. it's depressing... 2) set up TB with just as many account as *you* want (not as many as the amount of your ISP's dictate!) and then use only this *one* SMTP-server for your account. The ISP's don't dictate it, I'm dictating it onto myself because I have no viable alternative. If I really really could, I'd have an in-house server (or servers) taking care of everything we need, but alas, that WOULDd cost a hefty 5 figure sum. Both of these solutions would allow you to send from *one* SMTP-server no matter where you were connected, and would thus save you the trouble of I have at current not found an SMTP server which I can access, from wherever I connected from (i.e. whatever ISP's I'm using). and send the mails through with any of 20 or so different "FROM" addresses (which include several different domains, most of which are ".be" domains). If you know of any, It'd probably solve most of my problems. 1) Changing smtp-servers when changing connection I'm currently _STILL_ using Forte Agent because that one allows me to automatically set the SMTP servers depending on what account I used to make the connection with. The bad news with Forte is that I need to launch an instance for each account. That alone fills up the entire taskbar, takes a lot of switching windows, making it less than optimal to work, and a real hassle if I need to move/copy a mail to another account. 2) Setting up filters, columns etc. for more than *one* account! I can set the filters to distribute incoming mail into separate inboxes (the way I'd like it anyway) and automatically set the "from" address. However, at current with TheBat! I would need to manually change the "Account" for each mail I'm sending. I need "instant" send (so can't save up, call the provider and send mail in batch). And I'm doing several handfulls of mails a day (all accounts mixed). Have I missed something?! If I haven't - and this looks like a solution for you - , you could use the SMTP-server of webmail-providers like www.myrealbox.com , www.gmx.net , www.yahoo.com or www.operamail.com . I'll check them and see if they allow me to SMTP send using the from-addresses I need. Since all of these services also offer POP/IMAP-retrieval from TB, you can collect all your mail-traffic on one of these accounts, and, thus, enjoy the additional bonus of being able to read all your mail where ever you have access to the web - not just on your TB-PC! GETTING the mail isn't a problem. All of the ISP's I have mailboxes at allow me to get pop access and retrieve the mail in the mailboxes, but I can't SEND mail through an account which ISP I'm not directly dialed into. And doing this from multiple PC's isn't a problem either. Olivier Reubens. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
OR None of the Belgium ISP's however support relaying. I get OR 'Relaying Denied' messages if I try. which brings me to problem Obtain an old pc. E.g. a P90. Install a *nix/*BSD on it and use it as a smtp server. This solution works very well if your ISP has a dodgy mail server (e.g. Lineone). When I'm on the internet in Linux I use sendmail and have no need for a smtp server. And if I had a 24/24 line to the internet, I'd get my own domain registered, set up my own server(s) over here and get ALL of my internet problems finally finished, alas this is not the case, and I really don't see how you would install an SMTP server on a non dedicated line. 24/24 lines with a fixed IP are however still too expensive for my budget, I can't afford to hand over about 1000 Euro each month. I am currently FORCED to use multiple ISP's because none of them can solve all of my needs at an affordable price. The real problem is that depending on where I am, I will dial in to different ISP's. Setting the same "SMTP" server in all the accounts would require me to change all of them each time I connect from another location, which happens at least 3 times dayly. sigh -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 14:27:07 +0100, you wrote: On 05-01-2001 at 03:54, Olivier Reubens kindly wrote: Contrary to what someone else suggested, xs4all.be is also a member of the ISPA and doesn't have an open SMTP server. I suggested that XS4all.be probably uses SMTP authentication - which is not the same as an open SMTP. But from a later post of yours I gathered that you do not want a new account, so that solution is out anyway. If I could get an ISP that can do ALL of the things I need at an affordable price, I'd kick out all the rest and go with just the one, but this isn't the case at the moment. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Re[2]: Multiple email everything.
On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 23:39:04 -0500, you wrote: I don't know of any mail program that has a provision to switch servers on an account for sending. I am solving it with Forté Agent at this moment, where I can auto-select the SMTP server depending on what dial-up I made the connection with. But Agent requires me to fire a copy of Agent for each mailbox I want to manage. Launching Agent 5 times works, but it's not easy to work with this way. So far, Agent is the only one which provides me with a "workable" yet cludgy way to do stuff, and I've tried _LOTS_ of e-mail clients over the last few months. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Importing from Forté Agent
Hi, There's a perl script that apparently fixes a problem with importing folders from Forté Agent. Alas, I don't have or know perl. Can anyone tell me what this per script does so I can write my own program to fix this. Olivier Reubens -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Importing from Forté Agent
I am of course referring to the perl script mentionned on the "How do I" page http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/howdoi.html#Importing Olivier Reubens -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 02:41:46 +0800, you wrote: There are servers you can install on your PC. Of course, they will be only active when you are currently connected, but I tried one once, and it sent the messages directly to the recipient's POP server. Actually.. Why does no e-mail client have an option to deliver sent mail directly to the addressed person's SMTP server. Am I missing an obvious "NO" here, or have I just thought up a totally new type of internet application (Maybe I should file a patent for it right away grin) I uninstalled it again, because I found it awkward, and in addition, I have only PC's, no laptop, so I can use my ISP's SMTP at home, and my company's SMTP in the office (which has a 24/7 ISDN connection to the internet, which I can use via the LAN). H I see your point. I would only need the SMTP server the short moment I'm sending the mails. Don't have to make it manage the mailboxes. Another idea would be to connect via attglobal.net (formerly ibm.net) or Compuserve, they have dial-in numbers in many places, and you can use either their SMTP server or connect through them to your respective SMTP servers. I haven't used either of them for a while, so I don't don't whether it still works. About all of the ISP's I use have POP's all over Belgium, some even have access from other countries in Belgium. That however isn't the problem. When I'm home, I'm using ADSL, at the office, we have ISDN, and when I'm on the road I use GSM. The ISP I use at home doesn't provide an ISDN service like the one we have in the office. That one in turn doesn't provide access through ADSL. The "on the road" is a special case again, since dialing either provider would be costly, and it's cheaper per minute to use the internet provided by the company I get my GSM line from... Starting to see the picture here... :-( I really wish I could get it all done via just one, but either they don't provide the service I require or the cost to get it done is too high. I'm not even going to get started as to why I need the other 2 ISP's for :-) Olivier Reubens -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
On Sat, 6 Jan 2001 02:44:11 +0800, you wrote: What are your requirements that no single ISP can satisfy? 1) Access via ADSL or Cable at home. This is where I do most of the management from so the speed needs to be high, I often need to make several MB's worth of changes to the dbase mentionned in 3). 2) Access via GSM at an affordable price/min. 3) ISDN access from the office with "notification" when mail is there (basically the provider calling the office to drop of mail packets). it's a little more complex than this but it is the core of it. 4) Site hosting with semi-large dbase (around 3Gb dbase getting) with remote management of the DB (which we currently take care of via 5) because no adequate alternate was available). 5) Access to Windows NT Terminal server via the internet for around 25 on-the-road users, although rarely more than one or two at any one time. Olivier Reubens. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
Well, perhaps you can consider using Host Colocation Service, means you put your own Server on ISP site ? We have one server running at a provider (the one that has the site and database). OR 1) Access via ADSL or Cable at home. This is where I do most of OR the management from so the speed needs to be high, I often need to OR make several MB's worth of changes to the dbase mentionned in 3). You can choose any connection as you want to connect to your own server (some ISP on my country allow this). That's the prob, the ISP we host our server at and does it at a very nice price only has modem dial-in. no cable or DSL, so it's too slow to be usefull, I'll need another ISP to get faster connection so I can access my own server over the internet at a faster speed. OR 2) Access via GSM at an affordable price/min. Install WAP Web interface engine :-) Not viable for what we need to do. We need the GSM to provide regular dial-up access. OR 3) ISDN access from the office with "notification" when mail is OR there (basically the provider calling the office to drop of mail OR packets). it's a little more complex than this but it is the core OR of it. See above "it is a little more complex than that". I really don't want to go into all the details about it, it has nothing to do with The Bat! anyway :-) What we REALLY need is permamnent connection in the office, but it's not affordable at the time, and since the amount of traffic isn't very high, this suits us fine for the moment. OR 4) Site hosting with semi-large dbase (around 3Gb dbase getting) OR with remote management of the DB (which we currently take care of OR via 5) because no adequate alternate was available). Just add so many HDD as you want, upgrade the RAM or processor if needed :-) Still need to put it online somewhere, where providers ask money for, server hosting is expensive, we got a special deal at this particular provider, but can't use him for dialin since he only has regular modem access. OR 5) Access to Windows NT Terminal server via the internet for OR around 25 on-the-road users, although rarely more than one or two OR at any one time. Use W2K Advance Server or run Citrix Winframe on NT4 :-) It's NT4 TSE now, W2K would do also, but it was installed like this before W2K became available and I see no reason to pay for a W2K upgrade when it offers nothing we can't already do now. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Re[2]: Multiple email everything.
On Fri, 5 Jan 2001 12:31:46 -0800, you wrote: You don't know what your addressed person's SMTP server is - there is no way to know except by looking at RFC headers of mail they have sent you, and then if they are using multiple ISP's like you, it would mean nothing. Not all servers with POP accounts have SMTP; web-based email such as yahoo or hotmail doesn't provide an SMTP that is associated with the domain name; and the SMTP doesn't always match the domain name. Finally, if outsiders could access the sender's SMTP, that would be spammer's heaven -- imagine being able to use the AOL SMTP servers to send your spam to everyone on AOL - you not only would have the benefit of their servers, but you would defeat whatever spam blocking routines were build into their mail handling software. OK.. If that can't be done.. How can installing my own SMTP server work According to that other mail, If I would install a SMTP server on my own PC, I can have that one send the messages to the target SMTP server, but when I'd install a mailer, It wouldn't be ? Sorry but that makes no sense. What's preventing an e-mail client from having the same send-engine as a SMTP server on the same computer would do. I really don't see why that wouldn't work. Then again, I have no idea how mail arrives at a destination mailbox either, so I really can't tell. You might just want to configure your mail options to queue outgoing mail in the outbox rather than sending it right away. If there is one place you are certain to be every day, then when you arrive there the first thing to to when you arrive at that location would be to log on and send all the messages in the outbox. Can't do, users insist on faster than immediate response. Sending direct is an absolute must. Of course, this would result in delayed reply to some email, but you could bypass the routine if an email was particularly important to respond to urgently. they all are grin. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Multiple email everything.
Hi, I asked this via information request, but haven't gotten any response to it yet, maybe some of you have faced similar situations and found a way to work with them... I've been looking for a new e-mail client for quite a while, and having tried and rejected many, it seems like The Bat! comes very very close to what I've been seeking. If there's a way to solve the following 2 issues. I checked the TBUL archive but couldn't really find what I was looking for... I have e-mail accounts at more than one ISP (5 of them, made accounts in The Bat! for each). Ok, no problem, The Bat! can make handle multiple accounts, I found this already, and it is working just fine to retrieve mail from all of them. None of the Belgium ISP's however support relaying. I get 'Relaying Denied' messages if I try. which brings me to problem 1. 1) If I have received an e-mail into one of the mailboxes of an account which ISP I'm not connected to at the moment, I CAN retrieve the mail, but when replying it'll fail (relaying denied). I can solve this from the mail-edit window via Options, Active account, but I need to change it for each message. Is there a way to "lock" which account to use for sending messages. I don't mind the originating address to mismatch the "from" address which they will reply to. Most aren't smart enough to figure out how to obtain the real originating address anyway :-) 2) I have multiple mail names at several of my mail accounts (ex. [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] When checking mail, I can neatly put mail for each mail name into it's own "inbox" (inbox sales, inbox support...) folders with a filter, haven't done that yet, but I guess it's easy enough. But, how do I define how to set another "From:" address when I reply to a mail from any of said inboxes. I don't see a way to do this. When writing a mail, I can change the "From" to any of my account names, but I can't add my other mailboxes to it. Am I supposed to make a new mail account for each of my mail accounts (which I get via one and the same POP3 loginname) I haven't found an alternate way to make other "from" mail names. Olivier Reubens -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 15:36:43 -0800, you wrote: -- On Thursday, January 04, 2001, 3:03:12 PM, Olivier Reubens wrote: OR 1) If I have received an e-mail into one of the mailboxes of an OR account which ISP I'm not connected to at the moment, I CAN retrieve OR the mail, but when replying it'll fail (relaying denied). When you set the account options for that account, don't specify that ISP's outgoing mail server. Under Account Properties, "Transport", simply specify the SMTP server of whichever ISP you have that DOES allow relaying is most reliable. NONE of the ISP's in Belgium allow relaying. Any Belgium ISP allowing relaying will get fairly high fines for doing so. It is a way to avoid someone using their server for spamming, and I understand why this is so. Even though I still think they could solve it easy enough if they used authentication. but what is little me going to do against big corporations :) If you know of a provider /smtp server that I could use for relaying, it may be a solution... The ONLY problem with this is that if you receive mail via a pop server attached to domain1.com, and your mail is sent out via domain2.com, this will appear in the RFC headers in the body of the message, and it is possible that your mail could be rejected if the intended recipient has filters that would block out mail from unknown ISPs, or specifically domain2.com ISPs. uh huh Possible, although why would they do that ? OR I don't mind the originating address to OR mismatch the "from" address which they will reply to. Most aren't OR smart enough to figure out how to obtain the real originating address OR anyway :-) The "from" address will still be whatever you set it - the domain2.com address will only be seen in the RFC headers. If you look at the headers of this email, you will see that my email is at "dyslexia.com", but this has been transmitted via ogopogo.flash.net - I always do this. All I care about is that if they hit "reply" it will return into whatever mailbox I sent a mail out of. and as I said, I doubt any of them is smart enough to figure out the real RFC (?) address. ANd if they do, well, just as long as Reply will get it where it's supposed to. A reply to a mail sent from support should arrive into the support inbox. OR But, how do I define how to set another "From:" address when I reply OR to a mail from any of said inboxes. I don't see a way to do this. OR When writing a mail, I can change the "From" to any of my account OR names, but I can't add my other mailboxes to it. OR Am I supposed to make a new mail account for each of my mail accounts OR (which I get via one and the same POP3 loginname) OR I haven't found an alternate way to make other "from" mail names. Just right click on the folder where you are replying from, and choose "Properties" - you can set everything under the tab marked "Identity". The inbox, outbox, sent... only has a "general" tab. Is it something only available in the registered version ? Olivier Reubens -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Multiple email everything.
On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 19:03:28 -0500, you wrote: This came in with my first batch of messages, I just bought the program and subscribed today. But your situation matches mine, so I'll tell you how to set it up like mine. 1. Set up a separate account for each email address you use. 2. Set each of the accounts up with the appropriate POP3 server info, including username and password. But, for the SMTP (send) server, enter in the server at the ISP you are connected to. This way you don't have to filter the mail. The 'From' will have the correct address. Works OK. Well, it will work if the ISP remains the same forever. But this isn't the case. It depends where I am which ISP I'll connect to. Having to go through all the accounts to change the settings doesn't seem like a very good way to go about this. --John-- Thursday, January 04, 2001, 6:03:12 PM, you wrote: ** ORIGINAL MESSAGE Hi, I asked this via information request, but haven't gotten any response to it yet, maybe some of you have faced similar situations and found a way to work with them... I've been looking for a new e-mail client for quite a while, and having tried and rejected many, it seems like The Bat! comes very very close to what I've been seeking. If there's a way to solve the following 2 issues. I checked the TBUL archive but couldn't really find what I was looking for... I have e-mail accounts at more than one ISP (5 of them, made accounts in The Bat! for each). Ok, no problem, The Bat! can make handle multiple accounts, I found this already, and it is working just fine to retrieve mail from all of them. None of the Belgium ISP's however support relaying. I get 'Relaying Denied' messages if I try. which brings me to problem 1. 1) If I have received an e-mail into one of the mailboxes of an account which ISP I'm not connected to at the moment, I CAN retrieve the mail, but when replying it'll fail (relaying denied). I can solve this from the mail-edit window via Options, Active account, but I need to change it for each message. Is there a way to "lock" which account to use for sending messages. I don't mind the originating address to mismatch the "from" address which they will reply to. Most aren't smart enough to figure out how to obtain the real originating address anyway :-) 2) I have multiple mail names at several of my mail accounts (ex. [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED] When checking mail, I can neatly put mail for each mail name into it's own "inbox" (inbox sales, inbox support...) folders with a filter, haven't done that yet, but I guess it's easy enough. But, how do I define how to set another "From:" address when I reply to a mail from any of said inboxes. I don't see a way to do this. When writing a mail, I can change the "From" to any of my account names, but I can't add my other mailboxes to it. Am I supposed to make a new mail account for each of my mail accounts (which I get via one and the same POP3 loginname) I haven't found an alternate way to make other "from" mail names. Olivier Reubens -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
Re: Re[2]: Multiple email everything.
On Thu, 4 Jan 2001 16:50:48 -0800, you wrote: -- On Thursday, January 04, 2001, 4:38:09 PM, Olivier Reubens wrote: Under Account Properties, "Transport", simply specify the SMTP server of whichever ISP you have that DOES allow relaying is most reliable. OR NONE of the ISP's in Belgium allow relaying. OR If you know of a provider /smtp server that I could use for relaying, OR it may be a solution... It doesn't matter what account you are using on TB, what matters is what CONNECTION you have. Choose whichever ISP is the most reliable for you to connect to, and then use that one for all SMTP. When you are logged on, it is not considered relaying. What is a problem if your connection is with ISP-1 and you try to send mail to the SMTP for ISP-2. Well a ruling of the ISPA (www.ispa.be) (belgium organisation regulating ISP's in belgium) stipulates that no SMTP server should have an "open" line. In short, ISP's are only allowed to give SMTP access to users that reach them from withing their own dial-ins/leased lines/DSL..., but not to someone connecting to it via some other location on the internet. And it doesn't matter whether you pay for your account at a provider and indeed have a mailbox, you are simply not allowed to send mail using their SMTP server if you didn't dial into their server. I've tried locating the actual rules concerning SMTP servers on the site of the ISPA, but it's not there. Maybe I need to write them an e-mail. :-) There's maybe only one or two providers in Belgium who haven't joined the ISPA. But they either don't provide mailboxes, or aren't worth what they're asking to get an account. And I have enough accounts already, I really don't need more of them. And I can't afford to drop any of the ones I have and put 'em all onto one server. sigh Contrary to what someone else suggested, xs4all.be is also a member of the ISPA and doesn't have an open SMTP server. In all practicality, you can safely say that ALL ISP's in Belgium are member or the ISPA. Olivier Reubens. -- -- View the TBUDL archive at http://tbudl.thebat.dutaint.com To send a message to the list moderation team double click here: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] To Unsubscribe from TBUDL, double click here and send the message: mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] -- You are subscribed as : archive@jab.org
