Re[7]: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Wednesday, April 9, 2008, 11:56:33 AM, you wrote: This leads to my next question about synchronization: Assume desktop user Abe downloads e-mail in the morning: items a, b, and c are downloaded and Abe, in the morning, reads all messages and deletes items b and c from desktop. Assume laptop user Sara downloads the e-mail in the afternoon: items a, b, c, and d and Sara reads only item b and deletes nothing. Assume that a, b, c, and d will remain on server for 24 hours. At night, both the laptop and desktop synchronize. Here are my questions: 1. Will items b and c be deleted from the laptop or will they be added back to the desktop? With Directory Toolkit, I have the options of: Synchronize Both field: Adds new files to both directories and copies newer common files from either directory to the other. Augment Target field: Adds new files from the source directory to the target directory. Refresh Target field: Update only existing files from the source directory to the target directory. Update Target field: Updates existing files and adds new files from the source directory to the target directory. Update Prune Target field: Deletes files in the target directory that cannot be found in the source directory, updates existing files, and adds new files from the source directory to the target directory. Remove Duplicates from Target field: Deletes files in the target directory that were found in the source directory and were identical. If the Binary Check Files is on (Compare Options), files whose contents are identical are considered identical, otherwise if the date and time stamp is used to determine whether files are considered identical. Recreate Directory Structure Only: The directory structure of the source is created on the target but no files are copied. All subdirectories under the source path are reproduced regardless of program settings for view subdirectories (View Menu or Options-General). Delete All Empty Directories (from the target): Directories that contain no files on the target will be deleted. No other file operation is performed. All that being said, however, remember that the bat stores messages for each folder as ONE FILE. So if a file has some messages deleted and some added, that whole file will be replaced by the other file, which may have DIFFERENT messages added and deleted. Perhaps relevant to your other comment about different install locations, I consistently install ALL of the software I want to synchronize between two computers to ONE directory, namely /all my stuff/ for me. So the whole contents of the directory are synched back and forth. It does mean I have to be VERY careful to synch before opening the same program on a different computer without synching first. Otherwise I could lose things, both sent and received, as well as changes made in my calendar program, etc. BTW, for calendar I used to use Time Chaos, which I've liked for some ten years. They recently (like last year) changed to !ntellect, which is same calendaring with an integrated mail client. I switched to it from TheBat!, but within three months, since it was clear they weren't interested in upgrading the mail side of it, switched back to TB. I may never even try again to switch away from TB. (And I only tried it due to the integration featurewhich was terrible) dan -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Hello Avram, Tuesday, April 8, 2008, 6:59:29 PM, you wrote: I also changed settings so that whenever one machine downloads e-mail, it leaves it on the server for 14 days--a period that will be more than enough to insure that e-mail gets downloaded on to both. (Which, if I synchronize every night, I really wouldn't need to leave it on the server for more than 24 hours, I would think.) However, for synchronization, I can either use The Bat's own synchronization feature OR Dan Lester's recommendation to use the Directory Toolkit. By leaving the mail on the server you do not need to sync except for Sent mail. When you connect to your email account with either machine it will download the mail that the current computer has not downloaded before. (Note: you must make sure that both computers are set up to leave mail on server.) To get sent mail you would need to CC or BCC yourself. If you plan on syncing the 2 computers anyway, then you do not need to leave messages on the server as it would serve no purpose. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v4.0.20.2 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Re[5]: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Hi, Stuart, On Wednesday, April 09, 2008 5:49 AM, you wrote regarding my synchronization question: By leaving the mail on the server you do not need to sync except for Sent mail. When you connect to your email account with either machine it will download the mail that the current computer has not downloaded before. (Note: you must make sure that both computers are set up to leave mail on server.) To get sent mail you would need to CC or BCC yourself. If you plan on syncing the 2 computers anyway, then you do not need to leave messages on the server as it would serve no purpose. OK, thanks. I think I have a better picture of this now. Since I want to exactly duplicate on each computer what the other computer sees (including which messages are read and unread), it seems that I should leave both computers on and synch every night. However, if I leave messages on the server for at least 24 hours before deletion, then that will insure that messages downloaded in the morning to one computer can still be downloaded by the second computer in the afternoon and still read before the next synchronization takes place. This leads to my next question about synchronization: Assume desktop user Abe downloads e-mail in the morning: items a, b, and c are downloaded and Abe, in the morning, reads all messages and deletes items b and c from desktop. Assume laptop user Sara downloads the e-mail in the afternoon: items a, b, c, and d and Sara reads only item b and deletes nothing. Assume that a, b, c, and d will remain on server for 24 hours. At night, both the laptop and desktop synchronize. Here are my questions: 1. Will items b and c be deleted from the laptop or will they be added back to the desktop? 2. After synchronization, will item a appear as read on the laptop or revert to unread status on the desktop? If synchronization is invoked, is one computer designated a master such that however mail appears on THAT computer is controlling as to how it appears on the second computer, or is the process more complex? -- Avram Sacks Chicago Using The Bat ver. 4.0.18 (desktop) and ver 4.0.20 (laptop) on MS Windows Pro sp2 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Re[3]: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Hi, Dan and other list members: Although I have kept the same subject line, because the subject remains the same, a more appropriate title, at this point would be synchronization revisited. Tuesday, April 1, 2008, 10:20:39 PM, Dan Lester wrote: I keep two computers synchronized daily, morning and night, by using a little program (25 bucks I think) called Directory Toolkit. It does a host of other things, but I use it to synchronize a directory called all my stuff from one computer to another. I install TheBat!, all of its files, and half a dozen other programs into that directory. Then the program syncs from one to the other. OK. I have successfully installed The Bat on the laptop and I have also successfully set up on the laptop as its Mail directory, a copy of the same directory that is on the laptop. (Curiously, on the desktop that directory is in the The Bat! Folder within the program folder, while, on the laptop, it automatically established itself in the Applications Data directory.) I also changed settings so that whenever one machine downloads e-mail, it leaves it on the server for 14 days--a period that will be more than enough to insure that e-mail gets downloaded on to both. (Which, if I synchronize every night, I really wouldn't need to leave it on the server for more than 24 hours, I would think.) However, for synchronization, I can either use The Bat's own synchronization feature OR Dan Lester's recommendation to use the Directory Toolkit. Other than the fact that Directory Toolkit will allow me synchronize other folders, can anyone think of a reason why it is more preferable than The Bat's own synch function? Is there any reason why using The Bat's synch function might be preferred? Whether I synch using The Bat's own synch function or a third party software, what is it that I am synching? Is it merely the Mail directory? -- Avram Sacks Chicago Using The Bat ver 4.0.1.8 (desktop) or 4.0.2.0 (laptop) on Windows Pro XP sp2 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
FW: Re[3]: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
A typo on the note just sent to the list makes a sentence incomprehensible. I wrote, in error: OK. I have successfully installed The Bat on the laptop and I have also successfully set up on the laptop as its Mail directory, a copy of the same directory that is on the laptop. What I intended to write is the following: OK. I have successfully installed The Bat on the laptop and I have also successfully set up on the laptop as its Mail directory, a copy of the same MAIL directory that is on the DESKTOP. -- Avram Sacks Chicago Using The Bat ver 4.0.1.8 (desktop) or 4.0.2.0 (laptop) on Windows Pro XP sp2 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Sacks, Avram @ 2008-4-02 10:52:27 AM Best way to use The Bat on two home computers? mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED] I keep two computers synchronized daily, morning and night, by using a little program (25 bucks I think) called Directory Toolkit. This program sounds great, particularly since I would like to do with another application (Adobe Photoshop Elements and Premier Elements) what I would like to do with the Bat. How long have you been using it, and do you encounter any firewall issues with it? I've not be following this thread that closely, but you may want to take a look at Unison: http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~bcpierce/unison/ -- Christopher Using The Bat! v4.0.18 on Windows Vista 6.0 Build 6000. Accessing POP3 and IMAP4 mailboxs. perl is the lossy compression for programming languages -ralph pgpBEvBr55rVG.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Hello Achdut18, Tuesday, April 1, 2008, 11:20:39 PM, you wrote: That brings us to the question of synchronization. Although The Bat offers a synchronization feature; after reading about this in the Help Topics, I assume that the feature only works if I have The Bat set up in IMAP, rather than POP3. Is this correct? No, synchronization works with POP, it is not necessary with IMAP. If that is so, then, if I want to be able to download messages on the laptop as well as the desktop in a POP3 environment, I would have to be willing to live with not being able to see on one computer, what messages were read or not read on the other. Is that correct? Not sure what you mean here as your original hypothesis was wrong. Alternatively, could I set up The Bat on the laptop, but have it point to the mail directory on the desktop where the messages are kept, and merely copy that directory to my laptop when I travel with it, which is only a few times a year? Yes this should work. If the answer to this is yes, how do I make an installation of The Bat on the laptop point to the mail directory on the desktop? Two different things. Either you use the mail directory on the desktop as your main directory in which case when you travel your laptop would not be able to find it, or you let the laptop create its own directory for mail and then when you want to go travelling you copy the mail directory from the desktop. Neither of these would work well as when you travel messages that you download on the road would not end up back on your desktop. Would this, then, obviate the need to blind BCC myself on every message sent from the laptop? See above. And, if I do that, will downloads initiated from the laptop place mail in the mail directory on the desktop so long as I have the laptop's installation of The Bat point to the Mail folder located on the desktop? See above. Just as an aside, IMAP is not particularly slow, and really is best for what you are trying to do. Having said that I don't think IMAP in TB! is quite ready enough for the business environment. Again to test this for yourself, sign up for a free account with fastmail.fm and subscribe to The Bat lists with that account. You can then see how it works. Having said that I would still think that BCCing yourself and leaving messages on the server until downloaded by the laptop would be your best bet. -- Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v4.0.18.7 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Tuesday, April 1, 2008, 10:20:39 PM, you wrote: Alternatively, could I set up The Bat on the laptop, but have it point to the mail directory on the desktop where the messages are kept, and merely copy that directory to my laptop when I travel with it, which is only a few times a year? One other thought: I keep two computers synchronized daily, morning and night, by using a little program (25 bucks I think) called Directory Toolkit. It does a host of other things, but I use it to synchronize a directory called all my stuff from one computer to another. I install TheBat!, all of its files, and half a dozen other programs into that directory. Then the program syncs from one to the other. You can do it with drives on one mapped to the other on the network, or more frequently I just do it with my flash drive or other external USB drive. It is also handy way to synchronize to a backup drive. I always have it set to add new files, delete ones no longer on the source, and update all that need updating. It saves lots of time since it only updates that small percentage that need it. -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
RE: Re[3]: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Hi, Dan, Dan Lester wrote on Wednesday, April 02, 2008 at 9:59 AM: I keep two computers synchronized daily, morning and night, by using a little program (25 bucks I think) called Directory Toolkit. It does a host of other things, but I use it to synchronize a directory called all my stuff from one computer to another. I install TheBat!, all of its files, and half a dozen other programs into that directory. Then the program syncs from one to the other. Did you ever try the synchronize feature in The Bat? Why do you use this program rather than The Bat's own synchronizing feature? This program sounds great, particularly since I would like to do with another application (Adobe Photoshop Elements and Premier Elements) what I would like to do with the Bat. How long have you been using it, and do you encounter any firewall issues with it? When the program sunchronizes with The Bat, will it automatically reflect that a message read on the first computer appears as read on the second computer? How long have you been using the program? //Avi Avram Sacks Chicago Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[5]: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Wednesday, April 2, 2008, 9:52:27 AM, you wrote: Did you ever try the synchronize feature in The Bat? Why do you use this program rather than The Bat's own synchronizing feature? I used the program even before I used The Bat, clear back in days of using Eudora. It also syncs several other programs, including my calendar program, a collection of personal files, work files, and so forth. The folder in question runs about 3GB. In fact, when started using the Directory Toolkit it was probably under Win95 and know the stuff I synced fit on a 3.5 floppy. Then I moved to CDR, then to flash drive and/or external USB. Generally do it with a 4gb flash. This program sounds great, particularly since I would like to do with another application (Adobe Photoshop Elements and Premier Elements) what I would like to do with the Bat. How long have you been using it, and do you encounter any firewall issues with it? As noted, probably using a version of it for ten years or more. It will do a lot of other useful things as well, and well worth the 25 bucks I think it is now. I'm either syncing to an external drive or to a network drive, so no firewall issues. Don't recall if ever used it with Remote Desktop. When the program sunchronizes with The Bat, will it automatically reflect that a message read on the first computer appears as read on the second computer? Sure. It copies over all the settings in the directory. It appears that some settings are written to registry, but everything related to your mail files is just fine. How long have you been using the program? Forever. :-) There is a shareware version you can download and try if you want, so take a bit of time with it and see if it is worth springing for the big dollars. dan -- The road goes on forever and the party never ends. REK, Jr. Dan Lester, Boise, ID Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Hi, everyone. On Sunday, March 30, 2008, 4:53:35 PM, Thomas wrote: DH Synchronisation is a three step process and so you don't want to be doing this on a DH daily basis. A Is it really that involved? TF This is how I have been synchronising for years: TF Each outgoing mail is BCC'ed to myself. This way, not only the TF incoming but also the outgoing mails are on each computer on which I TF check them. TF TB! is on each computer is set to leave messages on the server, albeit TF it is possible to set one computer to a number of days ... TF IMAP or webmail are no option for me due to unreliable and somewhat TF slow internet connections. ... After thinking through, further, about how I want to use the laptop and desktop, it makes most sense to me to have mail on BOTH machines so that when I travel with the laptop, I am not confined to just whatever mail happens to be on the server. It also makes sense that I not use IMAP for several reasons: difficulties reported by some people, a friend who owns a computer repair/consulting business recommends against it, and I have found that the server-based e-mail system we use at the office (where we have T3 lines!!!) is often painfully slow. That brings us to the question of synchronization. Although The Bat offers a synchronization feature; after reading about this in the Help Topics, I assume that the feature only works if I have The Bat set up in IMAP, rather than POP3. Is this correct? If that is so, then, if I want to be able to download messages on the laptop as well as the desktop in a POP3 environment, I would have to be willing to live with not being able to see on one computer, what messages were read or not read on the other. Is that correct? Alternatively, could I set up The Bat on the laptop, but have it point to the mail directory on the desktop where the messages are kept, and merely copy that directory to my laptop when I travel with it, which is only a few times a year? If the answer to this is yes, how do I make an installation of The Bat on the laptop point to the mail directory on the desktop? Would this, then, obviate the need to blind BCC myself on every message sent from the laptop? And, if I do that, will downloads initiated from the laptop place mail in the mail directory on the desktop so long as I have the laptop's installation of The Bat point to the Mail folder located on the desktop? -- Avi Avram Sacks Chicago Using The Bat 4.0.18 on Windows XP Pro SP2. Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Hello Dwight, Friday, March 28, 2008, 5:58:31 PM, you wrote: DAC There is no reason why one cannot collect one's mail on both the DAC laptop and the desktop. Saves lots of trouble. Just need to bcc DAC yourself. DAC Better yet, switch to IMAP and leave POP behind. You'll be glad you DAC did. I don't use IMAP--at least not yet. If I understand it correctly, with IMAP, I would leave all of my mail on my ISP's server, and both the desktop and laptop could simultaneously access the mail. However, it seems to me that this would be constrained by how much space I am permitted to have on the ISP's mail server. My mail folder occupies about 635 MB of space. I also don't like the idea of leaving personal mail on an outside server. After reading all of the posts on this subject, It seems to me that I could do the following: download mail to either the laptop or the desktop, but then use the synchronization feature of The Bat to make sure that both machines have the same mail on their hard drives. Would this also work to automatically copy to the laptop all of the mail on the desktop, the first time I invoke synchronization on the laptop? Thanks, Avram Sacks Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Hello Dwight, Sunday, March 30, 2008, 3:02:13 AM, you wrote: DC I've been very satisfied with fastmail, and there are others out there DC too, some even free. I'm using IMAP with Fastmail and AIM Mail. But that's only a fraction of my email. Most goes trough my domain names. DC your message caused me to look at my provider's email services. They DC never mention IMAP in their entire documentation. From their POV it's probably a wise decision. :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 4.0.20 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Hello Achdut18, Sunday, March 30, 2008, 7:25:17 AM, you wrote: A After reading all of the posts on this subject, It seems to me that I A could do the following: download mail to either the laptop or the A desktop, but then use the synchronization feature of The Bat to make A sure that both machines have the same mail on their hard drives. A Would this also work to automatically copy to the laptop all of the A mail on the desktop, the first time I invoke synchronization on the A laptop? Synchronisation is a three step process and so you don't want to be doing this on a daily basis. It would be nice if it were possible to do this automatically over a network. The solution I have used for a long time was to use TheBat Voyager on a memory stick. I could carry it with me between work and home. I've stopped using Voyager for now until version 4 is released. Then I will probably continue with Voyager after I get the tiniest USB device I can find. Since I have a small laptop, I don't want something big sticking out the side of it. But Voyager is by far the best way to keep email with you no matter what machine you're on. -- Dougmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] ** TheBat! 4.0.20 on Windows XP Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Hello Doug, Sunday, March 30, 2008, 3:31:59 PM, you wrote: DH Hello Achdut18, DH Sunday, March 30, 2008, 7:25:17 AM, you wrote: A After reading all of the posts on this subject, It seems to me that I A could do the following: download mail to either the laptop or the A desktop, but then use the synchronization feature of The Bat to make A sure that both machines have the same mail on their hard drives. A Would this also work to automatically copy to the laptop all of the A mail on the desktop, the first time I invoke synchronization on the A laptop? DH Synchronisation is a three step process and so you don't want to be doing this on a DH daily basis. Is it really that involved? DH The solution I have used for a long time was to use TheBat Voyager on a memory stick. DH I could carry it with me between work and home. But, I don't want to carry it with me so much, as I want to use it at home, in two different offices, on two different computers (the main or desktop computer and the second or laptop computer DH I've stopped using Voyager for now until version 4 is released. It is released because I just installed it! DH Then I will probably DH continue with Voyager after I get the tiniest USB device I can find. Since I have a DH small laptop, I don't want something big sticking out the side of it. But Voyager DH is by far the best way to keep email with you no matter what machine you're on. But, I don't see that working for me so much if I already have two computers linked together on a network. -- Avram Sacks Using (finally!) The Bat 4.0.1.8 on Windows XP Pro SP2 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Hello Achdut18, On Sun, 30 Mar 2008 16:36:37 -0500 GMT (31/03/2008, 04:36 +0700 GMT), Achdut18 wrote: DH Synchronisation is a three step process and so you don't want to be doing this on a DH daily basis. A Is it really that involved? This is how I have been synchronising for years: Each outgoing mail is BCC'ed to myself. This way, not only the incoming but also the outgoing mails are on each computer on which I check them. TB! is on each computer is set to leave messages on the server, albeit it is possible to set one computer to a number of days after which you are sure that each PC has downloaded the mails. If you use each computer every day (including weekends), then 2 days is enough. BBC'ing to yourself was mentioned earlier in this thread, I don't whether you saw this. IMAP or webmail are no option for me due to unreliable and somewhat slow internet connections. I need to have the mails on the computer (or USB stick), and let POP or SMTP do their slow work in the background. -- Cheers, Thomas. 100 000 Muenchner koennen Deutsche werden. * http://thomas.fernandez.hat-gar-keine-homepage.de/ Message reply created with The Bat! 4.0.20 under Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Guten Morgen, Avram spoke of going to v4. It would probably not be wise to do this while using IMAP. DAC don't see why not. works fine for me. Congratulations. -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgp8ErFGKXklG.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[3]: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
AS Guten Morgen, Avram spoke of going to v4. It would probably not be wise to do this while using IMAP. DAC don't see why not. works fine for me. AS Congratulations. Dear DAC, I am so glad to hear you have IMAP working. I am presently using it with another e-mail client just for that support. Obviouslt it makes more sense to have it all working under TB. So please tell us how you got it working. I would settle for just GMail support at this stage. In another thread I include an admission from RITLabs there are problems with it. Thanks -- Michael J. Sharp [EMAIL PROTECTED] Using the world's best e-mail client: The Bat! Pro v4.0.18.6 on Windows XP 5.1 Build 2600 Service Pack 2 with AntispamSniper Pro v2.7.1.7 on Fujitsu-Siemens, Centrino 1.4Ghz, 512MB, 60GB www.TechniSmart.com Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[4]: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Hello Michael, A reminder of what Michael J. Sharp typed on: Saturday, March 29, 2008 at 18:07:32 GMT -0400 MJS So please tell us how you got it working. I would settle for just GMail support at MJS this stage. In another thread I include an admission from RITLabs MJS there are problems with it. IMAP with Gmail works here, with the caveat that IMAP generally has problems such as counters not always working and refreshing not working well. True it is frustrating, but it can be tolerated if necessary. Having said that I really look forward to Ritlabs addressing the problems and making IMAP as reliable as POP. I run 4 IMAP accounts and each one has its own quirks. I think this is completely dependant dependent on the server. -- Best regards, Stuartmailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Using The Bat! v4.0.20 On Windows XP 5.1 Build #2600 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
On Saturday, March 29, 2008, 5:07:32 PM, Michael J. Sharp wrote: So please tell us how you got it working. It has been working so long I have no memory of any fine tuning. If you look at the beta archives from back when it was first being worked on there I'm sure you will find some discussions about optimization. I allow 4 connections. I don't synchronize, since that seems to be entirely unnecessary. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.20 on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Hello Dwight, Friday, March 28, 2008, 11:58:31 PM, you wrote: DAC Better yet, switch to IMAP and leave POP behind. You'll be glad you DAC did. Except of course when your provider has decided to stop offering IMAP :-) -- Best Wishes, Mark using The Bat! 4.0.18.7 Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
On Saturday, March 29, 2008, 6:19:08 PM, Mark Partous wrote: Except of course when your provider has decided to stop offering IMAP :-) I've been very satisfied with fastmail, and there are others out there too, some even free. your message caused me to look at my provider's email services. They never mention IMAP in their entire documentation. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.20 on Windows Vista version 6,0 () Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Hello fellow listmates: Old-timers will recall that 3-5 years ago I inquired as to the best way in which to use The Bat on more than one home computer. Some suggestions were posted, but I never followed through. However, with my intention to upgrade to the current version (see separate post) I am revisiting this issue. We have a desktop and a laptop. Currently, The Bat has been accessed only via the desktop. With the establishment of a second home office in the same house I would like to also access all of our e-mail from The laptop as well. How is this best done so that mail can be downloaded by either machine without the other losing access to either old or new mail? I would also like to be able to download mail on the laptop when it is away from home, and either later merge that mail with the mail on the desktop, or, in the alternative, download the mail without deleting it from the mail server so that the desktop can also download the mail. It seems to me that there are several options: 1. Install the new version of The Bat on both the laptop AND the desktop (are two licenses needed?), but then set up the mail folder on the desktop as a shared folder so that the laptop's The Bat will point to folder on the desktop. Is this possible? When The Bat opens up on the laptop, it will automatically display the messages that are on the desktop. If messages are sent or downloaded via the Laptop, the actual message content would be stored on the desktop. Again, is this possible? Finally, when traveling, the laptop could download messages, but upon returning home, the messages would either be copied to the desktop, or the download would be done in such a way that messages would be left on the server for later downloading by the desktop. 2. Install the new version of The Bat on both the laptop AND the desktop, but also copy all mail from the desktop to the laptop so that both computers have all mail on their hard drives. Allow either machine to download e-mail, but set up some sort of automatic synchronization between the two machines. Again, is this possible? If so, how would it be done? -- Avram Sacks Chicago Using ver 1.62r on Windows XP professional sp2. Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Guten Morgen, SA 1. Install the new version of The Bat on both the laptop AND the desktop SA (are two licenses needed?), but then set up the mail folder on the SA desktop as a shared folder so that the laptop's The Bat will point to SA folder on the desktop. Is this possible? Yes, I've been working like this for years. You can manage the synchronization part using Window's Offline Folders. This way, if you have downloaded mail with the Laptop disconnected, on returning home you will get a prompt to copy the new files to the desktop or vice versa. If the desktop version hasn't changed in the meantime the synchronization will even be fully automatic. SA 2. Install the new version of The Bat on both the laptop AND the SA desktop, but also copy all mail from the desktop to the laptop so that SA both computers have all mail on their hard drives. Allow either machine SA to download e-mail, but set up some sort of automatic synchronization SA between the two machines. Again, is this possible? If so, how would it SA be done? Well, yes. You could use a program like Second Copy (http://www.secondcopy.com) which could even run automatcally with as few prompts as possible. However, it would be about the same as the first option, just with a seperate program instead of Window's built-in mechanism. -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpJq4QRFh8F2.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
On Friday, March 28, 2008, 5:42:31 PM, Alto Speckhardt wrote: Yes, I've been working like this for years. You can manage the synchronization part using Window's Offline Folders. This way, if you have downloaded mail with the Laptop disconnected, on returning home you will get a prompt to copy the new files to the desktop or vice versa. If the desktop version hasn't changed in the meantime the synchronization will even be fully automatic. There is no reason why one cannot collect one's mail on both the laptop and the desktop. Saves lots of trouble. Just need to bcc yourself. Better yet, switch to IMAP and leave POP behind. You'll be glad you did. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.18.7 on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re[2]: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
Guten Morgen, DAC There is no reason why one cannot collect one's mail on both the DAC laptop and the desktop. Yes, there is: If you play it like this every time before you leave your home you have to power up the laptop, start TheBat, receive mail and shut it down. If you use the shared folder method you just have to switch the laptop on, let it work for a while and switch it off again to bring it up to speed with the desktop. This is much quicker and more convenient. DAC Better yet, switch to IMAP and leave POP behind. You'll be glad you DAC did. Avram spoke of going to v4. It would probably not be wise to do this while using IMAP. -- MfG, Altomailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] pgpuQ96kUg7P7.pgp Description: PGP signature Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
On Friday, March 28, 2008, 6:05:57 PM, Alto Speckhardt wrote: Yes, there is: If you play it like this every time before you leave your home you have to power up the laptop, start TheBat, receive mail and shut it down. If you use the shared folder method you just have to switch the laptop on, let it work for a while and switch it off again to bring it up to speed with the desktop. This is much quicker and more convenient. I collected mail on both for years without a problem. Just leave the mail on the server a few days, how many would depend on how often you use the laptop. It is not just quick and convenient, but totally transparent. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.18.7 on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
Re: Best way to use The Bat on two home computers?
On Friday, March 28, 2008, 6:05:57 PM, Alto Speckhardt wrote: Avram spoke of going to v4. It would probably not be wise to do this while using IMAP. don't see why not. works fine for me. -- Dwight A. Corrin 316.303.9385 phone ahead to fax dcorrin at fastmail.fm photo galleries at http://dcorrin.smugmug.com Using IMAP with The Bat! 4.0.18.7 on Windows XP version 5,1 (Service Pack 2) Current version is 4.0.18 | 'Using TBUDL' information: http://www.silverstones.com/thebat/TBUDLInfo.html
