Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

2000-10-13 Thread A . Curtis Martin

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  On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:25:40 +1300, Britta wrote:

B   and  A. Curtis Martin replied:
 Unfortunately, not an easy one. If you manually quote your text it will
 will be quoted the way that you want it to be.

B I am totally mystified by this ... TB! has always quoted *including
B line spaces* for me, by default.

So am I. Note the lack of a quote prefix between the two paragraphs
above.

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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

2000-10-13 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

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Hi Britta,

On 13 October 2000 at 09:25:40 GMT +1300 (which was 21:25 where I
live) Britta wrote and made these points on the subject
of "! 1.46d: quoting question":

 In TheBat! 1.46d is there a way to allow the quote character "" to
 appear on a line space when quoting a message with paragraphs?

B   and  A. Curtis Martin replied:
 Unfortunately, not an easy one. If you manually quote your text it
 will will be quoted the way that you want it to be.

B I am totally mystified by this ... TB! has always quoted *including
B line spaces* for me, by default.

Yes, but the lines in-between the paragraphs are left blank with no
quotation prefix. That is the issue here.

Q: Is your email address anything to do with Mr Terry Pratchett?

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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

2000-10-13 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

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Hi A,

On 13 October 2000 at 16:23:44 GMT  -0500 (which was 22:23 where I
live) A . Curtis Martin wrote and made these points on the subject
of "! 1.46d: quoting question":

ACM On Sat, 14 Oct 2000 09:25:40 +1300, Britta wrote:

B   and  A. Curtis Martin replied:
 Unfortunately, not an easy one. If you manually quote your text it will
 will be quoted the way that you want it to be.

B I am totally mystified by this ... TB! has always quoted *including
B line spaces* for me, by default.

ACM So am I. Note the lack of a quote prefix between the two paragraphs
ACM above.

Got it! Of course TB can't (at this stage) quote the blank lines.
Whose are they really? Were they in the immediate message to which
this reply is address or from the previous level and another client
has failed to quote them.

Quoting blank lines can end up misleading in mutli-level replies. I
have seen many Eudora quoted messages that, frankly, just look a mess.
And that's *nothing* compared to what OE will do if you let it! g

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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

2000-10-12 Thread A . Curtis Martin

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  On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 14:54:29 -0400, Mark Knipfer wrote:

MK In TheBat! 1.46d is there a way to allow the quote character "" to
MK appear on a line space when quoting a message with paragraphs?

Unfortunately, not an easy one. If you manually quote your text it will
will be quoted the way that you want it to be.

IOW's, select and copy the text that you'd like to quote, hit shift+F4
to reply without quoting, and then paste the copied text as a quotation
using the right click context menu or toolbar button in the message
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Re: ! 1.46d: quoting question

2000-10-12 Thread A . Curtis Martin

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  On Thu, 12 Oct 2000 15:35:59 -0400, Mark Knipfer wrote:

snip
MK The above definitely detailed a tedious and slow process to
MK accomplish something that all other e-mail clients already do.

Granted. :-) I did say it wasn't easy.:-) I don't consider it a workable
solution but thought it best to indicate that it can be done and how.

TB! has its own style of quoting ... that's all. Let's see if they
change this with future versions.

MK BTW... I am seeking an e-mail client to suite my needs and my
MK clients (around 50 to 500 users). I am a Technical Solutionist for a
MK software company and we have many clients outside of the software
MK business. They basically will use an e-mail client that I highly
MK recommend and has ease of use. Currently I am support them on
MK Netscape Communicator 4.7x and this program constantly crashes. Many
MK of us use IMAP, but mostly POP3.

Again, the present version of TB! isn't a shining example of IMAP
implementation in that it's lacking in functionality. I personally have
never used the IMAP support and can only tell you other user impressions
on it. There are official plans to greatly improve on IMAP support in
the upcoming version 2.

I'm sorry that I can't tell you version 2 will appear on the scenes.
No-one really knows. Ritlabs have not officially given word on this in a
very long time.

However, TB!'s present POP3 support is excellent.

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Re[2]: ! 1.46d: quoting question

2000-10-12 Thread Oleg Zalyalov

Hello, the Bat! list recipients,

Friday, October 13, 2000, A. Curtis Martin wrote to Mark Knipfer on TBUDL about
! 1.46d: quoting question:

ACM paste  the  copied  text  as  a  quotation  using the right click
ACM context menu or toolbar button in the message editor.

Or Alt-Ins shortcut.

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quoting subject timestamp

2000-09-26 Thread Jan Rifkinson

Hello BatListers,

 I've  not  noticed a way to set up a template that includes a
 place for "original subject". Is this so , if so, is there a
 work around?

 Also  I've  tried  to build a template that you may have seen
 that  includes  a  time stamp of the original post but I find
 that  this  is  not always accurate. Maybe this is because of
 the  different  time  zones.  In  your  opinion,  what is the
 cleanest  way  to  include  a  time stamp in a template, i.e.
 based on what?

 And,  finally,  is it sufficient to set a filter to recognize
 "kludges"then  enter  a real word or do you also have to
 turn on the option for "regular expressions"? If not, when is
 this option used? Many thanks.

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Re: quoting subject timestamp

2000-09-26 Thread A . Curtis Martin

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On Tue, 26 Sep 2000 11:27:52 -0400, Jan Rifkinson wrote:

JR I've not noticed a way to set up a template that includes a place
JR for "original subject". Is this so , if so, is there a work around?

I'm not quite sure exactly what you're asking but the macro to generate
the original subject is %OSUBJ.

JR Also I've tried to build a template that you may have seen that
JR includes a time stamp of the original post but I find that this is
JR not always accurate. Maybe this is because of the different time
JR zones. In your opinion, what is the cleanest way to include a time
JR stamp in a template, i.e. based on what?

TB! tends to convert the message time stamps to your local time zone and
uses these times in the templates. As a result of this, if you use the
provided macros for original message time, you'll get the original
message time adjusted to your local time zone. The time is technically
still correct but, I know, you prefer if the senders time zone was used.

Well, if you wish to do this, you need to use a regular expression to
extract the original time and here it is.

%SETPATTREGEXP="(?m-s)Date\:\s*?((.*?[\d]{4})\s*?([\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2}\:[\d]{0,2})\s*?(.*))"%REGEXPBLINDMATCH="%HEADERS"%SUBPATT="3"%SUBPATT="4"

Create a new quick template, then copy and paste the above macro *as is*
in it. I gave my quick template the handle name 'odate'. This new quick
template will generate the original message time by extracting it from
the RFC headers.

If I wish to do this, I just type 'odateCTRLSpaceBar' at the time
when I wish to insert the date. For example, the otime for this message
to which I'm replying is 11:27:52 -0400. :-)

If you wish to put the original time above in a template, at the point
you wish to insert the time use the macro: %QINCLUDE="odate".

JR And, finally, is it sufficient to set a filter to recognize
JR "kludges"  then enter a real word or do you also have to turn on
JR the option for "regular expressions"?

No, you don't have to turn on the regular expressions option.

JR If not, when is this option used? Many thanks.

You use the regular expressions option when you wish to use a regular
expression as the filter search string. With the option off, simple
search strings are used instead.

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Re: Editor Tips and Tricks (was: Re: Odd quoting)

2000-09-23 Thread A . Curtis Martin

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On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 21:39:14 -0700, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

JA So with alt-L it is possible to reflow text in a list or a table
JA without losing the crlf marks. The trick is to highlight text
JA from the lines you want to reformat.

I never thought of this, thanks.

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Re[2]: Editor Tips and Tricks (was: Re: Odd quoting)

2000-09-23 Thread Avenarius

A Bat-fellow, A. Curtis Martin,
wrote on Friday, September 22, 2000 at 22:08:56 (GMT -0500),
which was Saturday 5:08 a.m. in Bratislava --

ACM Me? I just make the necessary changes, ignoring the distortion of
ACM the formatting. When I'm done, I hit Alt+L once and voila, text
ACM is reflowed.

Not really, Allie. After you're done, you cannot hit ALT+L
immediately. First you need to *move the cursor* (one letter to the
right or left or up or down) and *only then* does ALT+L reflow the
entire paragraph. It's another of those infuriating aspects of The
Bat...

Rather than groping for those ARROW keys anytime I need to use the
ALT+L feature, I do as Januk does: toggling the CTRL+SHIFT+F
autoformat. But this has its negatives, too: for one thing, three keys
are far too many keys for a keyboard shortcut that you use every other
minute. Plus, the status bar doesn't show you whether auto-format is
currently switched on or off, and so you often bungle in editing your
posts anyway, having (for instance) started editing them while
auto-format was on and you thought it was switched off...

These things are flawed through and through, but what can you do? The
Bat is still the best email client out there. My comfort is the
following: The Bat, in its version 1.46, already accomplishes far more
and better than Outlook or Eudora in their versions 5. Indeed the
expectations for the Bat's Version 2 are high. (Not to mention
Versions 3 and 4 ;-))).


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Re: Editor Tips and Tricks (was: Re: Odd quoting)

2000-09-23 Thread A . Curtis Martin

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On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 19:46:05 +0200, Avenarius wrote:

ACM Me? I just make the necessary changes, ignoring the distortion of
ACM the formatting. When I'm done, I hit Alt+L once and voila, text is
ACM reflowed.

A Not really, Allie. After you're done, you cannot hit ALT+L
A immediately. First you need to *move the cursor* (one letter to the
A right or left or up or down) and *only then* does ALT+L reflow the
A entire paragraph. It's another of those infuriating aspects of The
A Bat...

That's the case only if you have placed the cursor in the target
paragraph with the mouse. However, when I'm composing mail, I don't use
the mouse at all, hence, I really only need to press Alt+L.

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Re[2]: Editor Tips and Tricks (was: Re: Odd quoting)

2000-09-23 Thread Avenarius

A Bat-fellow, A. Curtis Martin,
wrote on Saturday, September 23, 2000 at 12:59:13 (GMT -0500), 
which was 19:59 in Bratislava --

ACM Me? I just make the necessary changes, ignoring the distortion of
ACM the formatting. When I'm done, I hit Alt+L once and voila, text is
ACM reflowed.

A Not really, Allie. After you're done, you cannot hit ALT+L
A immediately. First you need to *move the cursor* (one letter to the
A right or left or up or down) and *only then* does ALT+L reflow the
A entire paragraph. It's another of those infuriating aspects of The
A Bat...

ACM That's the case only if you have placed the cursor in the target
ACM paragraph with the mouse. However, when I'm composing mail, I
ACM don't use the mouse at all, hence, I really only need to press
ACM Alt+L.


That's not so. I don't touch the mouse, either, when composing emails.
The most common method I use for editing myself is selecting a few
original words with the keyboard and directly supplying a
re-formulated version instead. After you finish writing what you've
edited this way, the ALT+L shortcut does *not* reformat the entire
paragraph, and you've got to grope for one of the ARROW keys. I've
been using various recent versions of The Bat! on two computers and
this has always been so...

The ALT+L shortcut only seems to work immeditely not if you're
supplying old text for new but if you're merely adding a few words to
what's already there. (An operation I rarely perform.)

Incidentally: another weakness of the editor is that, although
multiple UnDo is possible, not a single ReDo is allowed. (Let alone
multiple RepeatLastAction.)


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Re: Editor Tips and Tricks (was: Re: Odd quoting)

2000-09-23 Thread A . Curtis Martin

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On Sat, 23 Sep 2000 23:22:55 +0200, Avenarius wrote:

ACM That's the case only if you have placed the cursor in the target
ACM paragraph with the mouse. However, when I'm composing mail, I
ACM don't use the mouse at all, hence, I really only need to press
ACM Alt+L.

A That's not so. I don't touch the mouse, either, when composing
A emails.

Hmmm. Do you have auto-wrap (not auto-format) enabled? Here is what
happens with me. I write a paragraph which is automatically being
wrapped as I go along. I'm finished, and I reread, or while writing I
decide to insert some text or rearrange the last sentence. I use the
arrow keys to navigate to the new insertion point and start typing.
After the corrections are made, the wrapping is off, so I press Alt+L
*without* having to hit an arrow key immediately prior to this. I just
did this. I'm wondering why it doesn't work for you. :-/

A The most common method I use for editing myself is selecting a few
A original words with the keyboard and directly supplying a
A re-formulated version instead. After you finish writing what you've
A edited this way, the ALT+L shortcut does *not* reformat the entire
A paragraph, and you've got to grope for one of the ARROW keys.

That's it! This is true. I personally don't do that sort of thing when
editing. :-)

A The ALT+L shortcut only seems to work immeditely not if you're
A supplying old text for new but if you're merely adding a few words to
A what's already there. (An operation I rarely perform.)

This is what I do all the time. I just add words and delete others; not
select and then overwrite text. g

A Incidentally: another weakness of the editor is that, although
A multiple UnDo is possible, not a single ReDo is allowed. (Let alone
A multiple RepeatLastAction.)

True. Another call for the need to be able to use ones own editor of
choice.

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Re: Odd quoting (was Re: scripts languages)

2000-09-22 Thread Krister Ekstrom

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Hi!

on Friday, September 22, 2000 02:48:03, our bat friend Januk Aggarwal typed:


 Hmm...  Not quite sure i understood that... and why does my editor act
 up on me? Here, this message looks awfully strange...

JA You appear to have auto-formatting turned on.  I would recommend you
JA turn it off by default and enable it only when you are sure that you
JA want to use it's capabilities.  This can be done using the
JA Ctrl-Shift-F shortcut (on a Standard US keyboard layout).


Been there done that. Now let's see how this looks.


JA The function has been discussed many times here this past week.  If
JA you have trouble locating one of these discussions let me know and
JA I'll give you a more complete answer.

Wooops so much for wanting to read mails fast... I'm afraid i have
deleted that particular discussion. I guess i need more info.:-) If
you want you can contact me off-list so as not to clutter up the list
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Editor Tips and Tricks (was: Re: Odd quoting)

2000-09-22 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Krister,


On  Friday, September 22, 2000  at  13:24:15 GMT +0200 (which was 4:24 AM
where I live) witnesses say Krister Ekstrom typed:

snip auto format discussion

 Wooops so much for wanting to read mails fast... I'm afraid i have
 deleted that particular discussion. I guess i need more info.:-) If
 you want you can contact me off-list so as not to clutter up the list
 with things newly discussed.

I don't think this is off topic, but I didn't want to patronize you
with the same info either.  Hence my earlier caution. :)  Please note
that I've broken the tread since this is sufficiently different than
the original post.

The auto-format feature is a neat little tool when used efficiently.
If you learn the Ctrl-Shift-F key combo, you're doing well.

By default I leave auto-formatting turned off.  This way I can type
what I want, however I want.  I also leave a blank line between my
paragraphs.  In type, this looks much nicer, and it allows us to use
TB's reformatting properties without too many troubles.

So after I've typed a paragraph, I might notice that I want to edit
something in the middle of the paragraph.  So now I turn on the
auto-format tool (use the keyboard shortcut), make my changes, and TB
responds the way most Windows text editors do.  When I'm finished with
these modifications, I turn off auto-format (use the keyboard shortcut
again).

So why leave auto-format off?  Well for one, it doesn't let you type
on two consecutive lines without reflowing the text.  A list such as:

Januk
is
typing.

Would be converted into:

Januk is typing.

No matter how hard I tried, this will always be the case.  Also, if
you accidentally hit the spacebar or any other key while scrolling
through paragraphs, you will get reformatted text.  As you've seen,
this can be annoying.

With judicious use of TB's text reflowing capabilities and some simple
rules for formatting, TB's editor can be shown to be very useful.
Please note, I do not want to start up the Editor debate again.  The
purpose of this post is simply to indicate how to use the *current*
implementation and in no way indicates my preference of editors.

Does anyone else have any other tips or tricks that they have learned
to make their message editing speedier and more convenient?  Please
note, I'm asking for ideas for the *current* implementation.


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Re: Editor Tips and Tricks (was: Re: Odd quoting)

2000-09-22 Thread A . Curtis Martin

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On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:07:21 -0700, Januk Aggarwal wrote:

JA By default I leave auto-formatting turned off.

Me too. Although I had left it on by default for a long time.

JA This way I can type what I want, however I want.

This is why I have finally switched it off permanently.

JA So  after I've typed a paragraph, I might notice that I want to edit
JA something  in  the  middle  of  the  paragraph. So now I turn on the
JA auto-format  tool  (use the keyboard shortcut), make my changes, and
JA TB  responds the way most Windows text editors do. When I'm finished
JA with  these  modifications, I turn off auto-format (use the keyboard
JA shortcut again).

Me?  I  just  make the necessary changes, ignoring the distortion of the
formatting. When I'm done, I hit Alt+L once and voila, text is reflowed.
It  seems  more  efficient to me because in your case you have to toggle
the  autoformat on and then off. I just hit Alt+L once. The intermittent
Alt+L'ing  is  the price that I am willingly paying to be able to reflow
quoted text.

See above  isn't it just great? :-)

JA With  judicious  use  of  TB's  text reflowing capabilities and some
JA simple  rules  for  formatting,  TB's editor can be shown to be very
JA useful.

Indeed. :-)

JA Please  note, I do not want to start up the Editor debate again. The
JA purpose  of this post is simply to indicate how to use the *current*
JA implementation and in no way indicates my preference of editors.

Hehehe. Yes, I realize this.

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Re: Editor Tips and Tricks (was: Re: Odd quoting)

2000-09-22 Thread Thomas Fernandez

Hallo Januk,

On Fri, 22 Sep 2000 17:07:21 -0700 GMT (23/09/2000, 08:07 +0800 GMT),
Januk Aggarwal wrote:

JA Please note, I do not want to start up the Editor debate again.  The
JA purpose of this post is simply to indicate how to use the *current*
JA implementation and in no way indicates my preference of editors.

I love disclaimers. ;-)

JA Does anyone else have any other tips or tricks that they have learned
JA to make their message editing speedier and more convenient?  Please
JA note, I'm asking for ideas for the *current* implementation.

Instead of hitting shft-crftl-F before, and again after editing a
paragraph, I hit alt-L only once, namely after editing it. I think
that's easier (for me). IOW I don't use auto-format at all.

Oops, while typing this, Allie's and your follow-up messages just came
in. So alt-L is not just the manual version of auto-format. They do
different things. Didn't know that.

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Re: Editor Tips and Tricks (was: Re: Odd quoting)

2000-09-22 Thread Januk Aggarwal

Hello Thomas,


On  Friday, September 22, 2000  at  11:58:26 GMT +0800 (which was 8:58 PM
where I live) witnesses say Thomas Fernandez typed:

 I love disclaimers. ;-)

I love writing disclaimers. :)  (Please note, this was a joke.  It was
intended to be not funny.)

 Oops, while typing this, Allie's and your follow-up messages just came
 in. So alt-L is not just the manual version of auto-format. They do
 different things. Didn't know that.

Yep, in fact alt-L (and its siblings for other justified modes) have
one distinct advantage.  You can select the lines you want to reflow.
Here as an example, I've mangled part of your message:

 Oops, while typing this,
  Allie's and your follow-up
 messages just came
 in.
 So alt-L is not just the manual
 version of auto-format.

This has pretty ugly formatting, but let's say I want to keep the last
two lines the way they are, so I'll select some text from each of the
other lines and hit alt-L.

 Oops, while typing this, Allie's and your follow-up messages just
 came in.
 So alt-L is not just the manual
 version of auto-format.

So with alt-L it is possible to reflow text in a list or a table
without losing the crlf marks.  The trick is to highlight text
from the lines you want to reformat.

Happy editing.


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Re[2]: Quoting character (WAS:Re[2]: Directory Tree)

2000-09-21 Thread Gerd Ewald

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On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:58:46 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was 20.09.2000, 18:58 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:

snip

MDP gt; is HTMLese for ''. I didn't see that encoding in Karin's message
MDP so I can only guess that it's something at your end, Gerd.

snip

THX Marck ! The funny thing is that quite a lot of msgs show this HTML '' but I
can't find any rule. I first saw that in Karins mail and further on in some
others. But I did find normal '' in msgs sent by Karin and others (I checked
it: it's not a matter of TB's version).

But when you say it could be something at my end, what could that be for example
?


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Re: Quoting character (WAS:Re[2]: Directory Tree)

2000-09-21 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

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Hi Gerd,

On 21 September 2000 at 16:26:12 GMT +0200 (which was 15:26 where I
live) Gerd Ewald wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Quoting character (WAS:Re[2]: Directory Tree)":

GE On  Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:58:46 +0100 GMT your local time, which was
GE 20.09.2000, 18:58 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:

GE snip

MDP gt; is HTMLese for ''. I didn't see that encoding in Karin's message
MDP so I can only guess that it's something at your end, Gerd.

GE snip

GE THX Marck ! The funny thing is that quite a lot of msgs show this
GE HTML '' but I can't find any rule. I first saw that in Karins
GE mail and further on in some others. But I did find normal '' in
GE msgs sent by Karin and others (I checked it: it's not a matter of
GE TB's version).

GE But when you say it could be something at my end, what could that
GE be for example ?

Some  bizarre server en-route which thinks that all mail is HTML or is
being  viewed  and  that  greater-than  signs  need  escaping  to gt;
wherever  they  occur.  It  is not the originator of the message or we
would  have  all  seen it. It equally not the dutaint server because I
know  that inside out and know that it wouldn't do that. So, it has to
have happened after it left dutaint and before you received it.

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Re[2]: Quoting character (WAS:Re[2]: Directory Tree)

2000-09-21 Thread Gerd Ewald

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Hello Marck D. Pearlstone !


On Thu, 21 Sep 2000 16:49:00 +0100 GMT your local time,
which was 21.09.2000, 17:49 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:

snip

 Some  bizarre server en-route which thinks that all mail is HTML or is
 being  viewed  and  that  greater-than  signs  need  escaping  to gt;
 wherever  they  occur.  It  is not the originator of the message or we
 would  have  all  seen it. It equally not the dutaint server because I
 know  that inside out and know that it wouldn't do that. So, it has to
 have happened after it left dutaint and before you received it.

snip

Thanks Marck, I think I found the culprit. It only happened in messages that
received via my WEB.DE account. I unsubscribed all mailing lists and
resubscribed with my second account. In case it wasn't my ISP I will let you
know and apologize g.

Thanks again for your input !

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Quoting character (WAS:Re[2]: Directory Tree)

2000-09-20 Thread Gerd Ewald

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Hello Karin Spaink !


On Wed, 20 Sep 2000 17:20:35 +0200 GMT your local time,
which was 20.09.2000, 17:20 (GMT+0200) where I live, you wrote:

snip

KS KSgt;gt; If you close and then reopen TB, the same subfolders will be
KS KSgt;gt; open. In other words, it keeps that directory tree setting.
^


KS gt; So there is not a menu command to open all account subtree in one
KS gt; operation ?
^

 Which character do you use for quoting ?? Is it only me who receives "gt" or
 does this mean something special I never heard of ?

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Re: Quoting character (WAS:Re[2]: Directory Tree)

2000-09-20 Thread Karin Spaink

On 20-09-2000 at 18:05, Gerd Ewald kindly wrote:
 Hello Karin Spaink !

KS KSgt;gt; If you close and then reopen TB, the same subfolders will be
KS KSgt;gt; open. In other words, it keeps that directory tree setting.
 ^

  Which character do you use for quoting ??

Just the chevron... (although for the life of me, by now I
can't find where one defines whether to use a chevron, a |
or something else.)

 Is it only me who receives "gt"

I surely hope nobody else does, and I have no idea what
triggers this weird quoting behaviour.



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Re: Quoting character (WAS:Re[2]: Directory Tree)

2000-09-20 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone

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Hi Gerd,

On 20 September 2000 at 18:05:25 GMT +0200 (which was 17:05 where I
live) Gerd Ewald wrote and made these points on the subject
of "Quoting character (WAS:Re[2]: Directory Tree)":

KS gt;  So  there is not a menu command to open all account subtree
KS in one gt; operation ?
GE ^

GE Which character do you use for quoting ?? Is it only me who
GE receives "gt" or does this mean something special I never heard
GE of ?

gt; is HTMLese for ''. I didn't see that encoding in Karin's message
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Selective quoting

2000-08-09 Thread Kenneth Porter

On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 14:19:27 -0700, Steve Lamb wrote:

Same reason I detested it in PMMail when they implemented it.  I CP
something in a message to something else and then hit reply.  Whoops, the
entire message isn't there.  The assumption is that marked text in an email
client's read window would only be used for a reply is simply not true.  First
and foremost marked text is, in general, used for a variety of things.

Ok, I can see that. However, the frequency with which I use the
selective quote is far higher than my copying text to another app and
*then* replying. As I've said elsewhere, this should be a configurable
default to satisfy our different work styles. (And I've been bitten by
the same thing, but I just kill the composition window and try again
when that (occasionally) happens. Or start a new composition window
with full quoting and then CP my additions from the botched one.)

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Selective quoting

2000-08-09 Thread Kenneth Porter

On Wed, 9 Aug 2000 15:04:47 -0500, Curtis wrote:

TB! did not originally have this feature. I among others suggested it
but there was some opposition, by others (I remember Steve Lambs
opposing arguments clearly :-)), to it's implementation. The best of
both worlds occurred. It was implemented but made an optional instead of
a default behaviour.

Okay, Steve, what was your argument against selective quoting (ie. the
F4 function)? (I don't want to take issue with it, I  just want to
understand the issues.) I'd prefer that this be another thing that can
be changed from some global options dialog, so that it's *truly*
optional, ie. the choice of default is itself an option. (Much of the
argument on this list seems to be over what should be the default, when
this can easily be addressed by making the default configurable.)

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Re: Selective quoting

2000-08-09 Thread Steve Lamb

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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 3:04:49 PM, Kenneth wrote:
 As I've said elsewhere, this should be a configurable
 default to satisfy our different work styles.

It is configurable.  You know you're going to quote selected, hit F4.
Personally my suggestion for the mice users in the crowd is that they make the
reply button have a down arrow like the other buttons on the main tool bar
which has those options there.  Trust me, there are special replies that I use
as well and find the keyboard shortcut as well as the proposed GUI
modification sufficient without getting into the feaperism of a multitude of
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Re: Selective quoting

2000-08-09 Thread Steve Lamb

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Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 2:53:08 PM, Kenneth wrote:
 Okay, Steve, what was your argument against selective quoting (ie. the
 F4 function)?

Sent to you before you even asked this question.  ;)

 argument on this list seems to be over what should be the default, when
 this can easily be addressed by making the default configurable.)

Which is, in itself, a discussion.  Having had used Terminate in my old
BBS days I can say that putting to much in default dialogs like that causes
problems in and of itself.  At some point, on a lot of features, you have to
choose a default and then stick with it but provide easy access to the other
options.

For those that don't know Terminate had 3-4 80x50 /pages/ of checkboxes to
control its behavior.  It was a mess to configure because of the sheer
volume of what was configurable.

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Re: Selective quoting

2000-08-09 Thread Joe Finocchiaro

Wednesday, August 09, 2000, 4:53:08 PM, Kenneth Porter, wrote:

KP (Much of the
KP argument on this list seems to be over what should be the default, when
KP this can easily be addressed by making the default configurable.)

Amen!

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Highlighted Quoting - was Re: original message’s text in the initial text of a reply

2000-07-23 Thread Leif Gregory

Hello Nick, 

On Sat, 22 Jul 2000 at 18:52:33 [GMT -0700], you wrote:
NA I'm a mouse person... use a wheel mouse... so I assigned the
NA keyboard shortcut of F4 to my wheel button. All I have to do now,
NA is use the mouse to highlight the text I want to reply to, then
NA hit the wheel button, and up pops a message window with just the
NA text I've highlighted that I want to reply to.

Hahahahahahha! I love it! I just picked up my Microsoft Intellimouse
Explorer today, and your tip was timely indeed. Button four is now
mapped to F4 for highlighted quoting.

Thanks!


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Re: Highlighted Quoting - was Re: original message’s text in the initial text of a reply

2000-07-23 Thread Tony Boom

This message: 23/07/2000 14:27 GMT.
Hello Leif,

On 23 July 2000 at 17:12:42 GMT +0900 (which was 09:12 where I live)
Leif ([EMAIL PROTECTED]) typed:

LG Hahahahahahha! I love it! I just picked up my Microsoft Intellimouse
LG Explorer today, and your tip was timely indeed. Button four is now
LG mapped to F4 for highlighted quoting.


  Well I've been wondering what to do with my middle button ever since
  I bought the mouse. It's now in use!


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Printing of quoted text in bold? - and other quoting issues

2000-04-22 Thread SyP

Hello The Bat! users,

Jan-Arild Løkstad wrote at 4/22/2000, 7:08 PM

 This line is printed in bold, while...
   this line is not.

JAL Anything I can do about this in TB!?

I would add that C source code often looks silly in TB.
Consider:

dprintk("RPC: %4d exit() = %d\n", task-tk_pid, task-tk_status);
status = task-tk_status;
if (task-tk_exit)
task-tk_exit(task);

 I suggest that if a "" character is preceded by a "-" than TB
 shouldn't consider it as quotation. Please, developers! :)

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Re[2]: Folder specific quoting style (and other things)?

2000-03-18 Thread Oliver Sturm

Hi Marck D. Pearlstone,

On Friday, March 17, 2000 at 9:09:21 PM you wrote:


 as I'd really like to activate "Receipt request" on a
 person-by-person basis. Am I missing something?

 See Template Macros:
 %READCONFIRM  -  set  the  Reading  Confirmation  Request  flag for the
  current message.
 %RCPTCONFIRM  -  set the Receipt Request flag for the current message.

Thanks, I overlooked those.

 The quoting style, however, is on a per-account basis. :-(

So  that one should be a feature request... On some mailing lists with
not-too-many  people  on them I like that style with the initials very
much, though it doesn't work nicely with every sender's address.

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Folder specific quoting style (and other things)?

2000-03-17 Thread Oliver Sturm

Hi there,

When  configuring  templates  for  an  account,  I  can  set  several
parameters  such as "Receipt request" or the quoting style. It doesn't
seem  I  can do that for templates which are specific to one folder or
even  to  one  contact  in  the  address book. That's not good, as I'd
really like to activate "Receipt request" on a person-by-person basis.
Am I missing something?

Thanks!

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Re: Folder specific quoting style (and other things)?

2000-03-17 Thread Marck D. Pearlstone


Hi Oliver,

On  16 March 2000  at  22:26:07 GMT +0100 (which was 21:26 where I
live) [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote and made these points:

 When configuring templates for an account, I can set several
 parameters such as "Receipt request" or the quoting style. It
 doesn't seem I can do that for templates which are specific to one
 folder or even to one contact in the address book. That's not good,
 as I'd really like to activate "Receipt request" on a
 person-by-person basis. Am I missing something?

See Template Macros:

%READCONFIRM  -  set  the  Reading  Confirmation  Request  flag for the
 current message.

%RCPTCONFIRM  -  set the Receipt Request flag for the current message.

The quoting style, however, is on a per-account basis. :-(

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