folders don't show unread counts...

[Tim Musson]

tbudl,

I am running on XP sp2.
Have been upgrading TB from the 1.x versions.

Last couple of upgrades complained about not being able to find the
.msi file during install. I either pointed to it, or canceled and it
worked just fine. This past time, it complained about not being able
to find 2.99.3.msi when I was installing 3.99.29!

I am not worried about the above, things are running ok now. What my
current problem is is that in the folder window, none of the folders
display the message counts...

Another symptom is that the unread messages are not flagged when I
open TB...

Very frustrating.

Any suggestions?

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Sorting Office question

[Tim Musson]

I recently started using SubFilters and am getting some filtering I
don't understand...

I have a Filter called Set Color that does nothing and is set to
"Continue processing with other filters", in it for example is a
SubFilter to change any message from family (based on AB group) to blue
in the message list. Yes, there are others, and they are all similar.

The next filter is "The Bat!" (configured exactly like my Set Color
filter) and it contains a SubFilter "The Bat! lists" which moves the
message to a folder.

Here is where it gets interesting! The SubFilter to move the message
is not set to "Continue processing with other filters", but it does
continue processing the other filters!

If I have a TB list member in my AB, then my  filter at the end
takes precidence and moves it to Inbox-Known.

Any idea why that is happening or what I can do to fix it?

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Re: Filters not working - was: Lost folders

[Tim Musson]

Hey Jack,

My MUA believes mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
was written on Saturday, June 14, 2008 at 1:05:39 PM.

> The problem is that when the folder was lost, it was moved to a new
> location and the filters were all changed, automatically, to follow
> it. Now that the folder is back where it belongs, the filters are
> all pointing to the old location. Is there a way to mass edit these
> filters to point them to a new location?

Hmmm, how about moving all the messages from the old location to the
new one. Then delete the old folder. THEN move/rename the new folder
to the location/name of the old folder...

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Re: Some folders are slow to respond

[Tim Musson]

Hey Code,

My MUA believes mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
was written on Tuesday, July 8, 2008 at 2:06:13 PM.

8< snip
> Over the last couple weeks, some of my e-mail folders have gotten
> very sluggish.
8< snip

> Compressing the folders doesn't help
8< snip

> Is anyone else experiencing this problem?  Any solutions?

You mention Compressing, but what about a Purge? IIRC, Purge is what
gets rid of messages marked as delete, and Compress removes the unused
space.

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Voyager password recovery?

[Tim Musson]

TBUDL,

I just found my missing USB flash drive with Voyager installed on it.
Unfortunately I can't recall the password.

Does anyone know if it can be recovered, and how to go about it?

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Help - multiple inbox folders in one account!

[Tim Musson]

tbudl,

The wife's TB (2.11.02) has 5 "inbox" folders! Also an Outbox, Sent,
and Trash... Only one set (I marked them with a * on the end) have the
glyphs indicating they are 'special' folders (for example the inbox
has a blue arrow pointing down).

Moving SubFolders has inconsistant results.
Sometimes it will show in the top and bottom one, other times it will
not.

Any suggestion on how to clean this up?

Also, any idea what the $QRNTN$ folder is? I think it is from the AVG
plugin, but then why is it named like that?

Here is what her account looks like.

Account
 +-Inbox
 | +-Folder1
 | +-Folder2
 +-Outbox
 +-Sent
 +-Trash
 +-$QRNTN$
 +-Inbox
 +-Outbox
 +-Sent
 +-Trash
 +-Inbox
 +-Outbox
 +-Sent
 +-Trash
 +-Inbox
 +-Outbox
 +-Sent
 +-Trash
 +-Inbox*
 | +-FolderA
 | +-Folder1
 | +-FolderB
 | +-Folder1
 +-Outbox*
 +-Sent Mail*
 +-Trash*

I have run the maint with no useful results.

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Folder size limit not working ?

[Tim Musson]

TBUDL,

I can't seem to get the folder settings that keep a folder size in
line to work any more...

Folder properties:
  Maximum number of stored messages is 8000
  Keep messages in the base for (days): 90
Folder Maintenance Center:
  Un-select all but the one folder (TBBETA)
  Select Purge old/exceeding messages
  Select Compress (remove deleted messages)

The folder has 9,466 message before and after running the purge!
I just upgraded to 2.12 from 2.11.02, and that didn't make any
difference.
Am I missing a change on how things are done (I haven't read TBUDL for
a while).

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Re: Help - multiple inbox folders in one account!

[Tim Musson]

Hey Tim,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v2.11.02) Personal' was used
to write mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Saturday, July 10, 2004 at 7:54:45 PM.

TM> The wife's TB (2.11.02) has 5 "inbox" folders! Also an Outbox,
TM> Sent, and Trash... Only one set (I marked them with a * on the
TM> end) have the glyphs indicating they are 'special' folders (for
TM> example the inbox has a blue arrow pointing down).

8< snip

FYI I solved this problem...
Any idea what caused it?

Solution:
Create new account (to create blank files).
Copy a fresh ACCOUNT.FLB into the problem account's directory (making
a backup of course).
Ctrl+Alt+Shift+L to find all the correct folders.

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Re: Folder size limit not working ?

[Tim Musson]

Hey Roelof,

My MUA believes '(X-Mailer not set)' was used
to write mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 5:59:41 PM.

I wish I knew what was going on. I sure can't explain it.

RO> The only thing that might cause problems would be the amount of
RO> free space both on the drive with your temp files or the amount of
RO> free space on the drive with your message base. In order to do a
RO> proper purge&compress you need at least as much free space on both
RO> drives as the folder you're going to copmpress.

,- [ Well it's not space on my msg base drive ]
| E:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bat!\TBBETA>dir
|  Volume in drive E is EMAIL
|  Volume Serial Number is 7F2F-7496
| 
|  Directory of E:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Bat!\TBBETA
| 
| 10/25/2003  11:48a.
| 10/25/2003  11:48a..
| 07/21/2004  06:45p  44,492,307 MESSAGES.TBB
| 07/21/2004  06:45p   5,033,188 MESSAGES.TBI
|2 File(s) 49,525,495 bytes
|2 Dir(s)   1,968,627,712 bytes free
`-
,- [ It is also not a space issue on my tmp space ]
| T:\tmp>set | grep T:
| TEMP=T:\tmp
| TMP=T:\tmp
| 
| T:\tmp>dir
|  Volume in drive T is TEMP
|  Volume Serial Number is 3F97-B977
| 
|  Directory of T:\tmp
| 
| 02/01/2004  09:58p.
| 02/01/2004  09:58p..
| 07/19/2004  09:24anotesC9812B
| 07/18/2004  08:12a  24,988 vminst.log
| 07/19/2004  06:29p 256 ZLT0234a.TMP
| 07/21/2004  06:39p 256 ZLT046ea.TMP
| 02/17/2004  03:58pblat
|3 File(s) 25,500 bytes
|4 Dir(s) 851,010,560 bytes free
`-
,- [ And just in case TB uses something other than temp/tmp ]
| C:\temp>dir
|  Volume in drive C is OS&APPS
|  Volume Serial Number is 3F3F-14F0
| 
|  Directory of C:\temp
| 
| 10/25/2003  05:10p.
| 10/25/2003  05:10p..
| 07/21/2004  06:52pstuff
|0 File(s)  0 bytes
|        3 Dir(s)   4,309,557,248 bytes free
`-

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Re: Folder size limit not working ?

[Tim Musson]

Hey Roelof,

My MUA believes '(X-Mailer not set)' was used
to write mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Thursday, July 22, 2004 at 3:25:56 AM.

RO>>> The only thing that might cause problems would be the amount of
RO>>> free space both on the drive with your temp files or the amount of
TM>> | 07/21/2004  06:45p  44,492,307 MESSAGES.TBB
TM>> | 07/21/2004  06:45p   5,033,188 MESSAGES.TBI
TM>> |2 File(s) 49,525,495 bytes
TM>> |2 Dir(s)   1,968,627,712 bytes free

RO> I would've believed you without the 'evidence'.

LOL, when in doubt... :-)

RO> The only thing I can think now is that your message base might be
RO> corrupted.

It has been in the recent past, I had to have a system board replaced
in my notebook. What I did then is create a "REPAIR" folder and
"Parked" folder under it. Move all but the corrupt messages (no on
parked) to Repair, then move all parked to Parked :-). Delete the
messages.tbb and .tbi files, run a "check integrity/repair" on the
"repair" folder, then put the parked messages back (and mark em
parked) followed by moving all the other messages back.

RO> Create a new folder
RO> Move all messages from tbbeta to your new folder
RO> Close TB
RO> Delete the messages.tbb and .tbi files in your tbbeta directory
RO> Start TB
RO> Move all messages from your new folder to tbbeta
RO> Try the maintenance action again.

Ok, I did that (even closing TB at every step, which I have never
needed to do before, but I figured, what the heck :-). I ran a the
maint on both the temp folder before moving back, and again on the
tbbeta foder after moving.

No luck! :-( well, we did make some progress... It purged 1 message).
TBBETA now has over 9k msgs, and is set to only keep 90 days and 8000.
Not including the parked messages, I have them back to Jan of 2004.

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Re: Folder size limit not working ?

[Tim Musson]

Hey rich,

My MUA believes '(X-Mailer not set)' was used
to write mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 7:00:08 PM.

rg> You had it work at one time? I have never been able yet to make a
rg> folder limit itself to X messages (or delete if older than X days).

rg> I've been over & over all my settings with this support list and still
rg> no good.

rg> Now on 2.04.7. It didn't work earlier either though.

Yes, it used to work. I have to admit though that I have not checked
it since before moving to v2. I was just looking around and noticed I
had well over 100k messages in one of my accounts... I have pruned it
down manually for some folders, but there are over 300 folders :-(.

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Re: Folder size limit not working ?

[Tim Musson]

Hey Roelof,

My MUA believes '(X-Mailer not set)' was used
to write mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Thursday, July 22, 2004 at 3:18:52 AM.

RO> I don't know whether it's relevant, but have you got  Account ->
RO> Properties -> Options -> 'Compress all folders on exit' enabled? I
RO> have and as I said purging and compressing on exit works fine with
RO> me.

No, I didn't. I don't want to wait for TB when I shut down my
workstation. I did give it a try, also setting purge/compress in my
folder properties, but no luck with either option.

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Re: Smileys - How Are They Viewed By Non Bat Mail Programs

[Tim Musson]

Hey Leif,

My MUA believes mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
was written on Wednesday, July 21, 2004 at 7:52:22 AM.

Thanks for the instructions!

LG> Below are the instructions to get smileys working properly on your
LG> system.

8< snip

LG>*And nothing else!*

LG> 5. From within The Bat!, hold down the following keys CTRL-ALT-SHIFT,
LG>press the letter 'T' (without quotes), and let go of all the keys.
LG>You may see this key combination referred to on the lists as
LG>C-A-S-T.

LG>This forces a reload of all the .MSL files.

You may also want to note that it creates the order.txt file listing
the *.msl files.

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BayesIt - how can I find out what a message scored?

[Tim Musson]

TBUDL,

  Is there any way to find out what any given message scored when
  BayseIt checked it? I am working my way down for the threshold, and
  am currently at 20. I have seen others needed to put it at 10, so
  maybe that will be the trick. It has not moved a single message yet.

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Re: Virtual Folders

[Tim Musson]

Hey Darrin,

My MUA believes mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
was written on Saturday, July 24, 2004 at 10:28:59 AM.

DR>   I havent tried them yet. Can someone send a link that helps explain
DR>   how they work and some examples of what to use them for? I was using
DR>   Operas M2 email client before, which uses views. I assume thats sort
DR>   of what virtual folders are. Is that correct?
DR>   Thanks
 
I just set up my first one 2 days ago. I wanted to start using
BayesIt, so set one up to list all messages from my TB folder with
BayesIt in the subject line.

I read over 100 messages, and found answers to all my questions except
1, which I then asked on the list yesterday.

If you know how to create a normal folder, search, and create a
filter, you should have no problems. The only thing I had a bit of
trouble with is you need to *left* click the filter criteria, not
right click it.

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How to change which account gets system MAPI calls?

[Tim Musson]

Been running TB for years and not come across this issue...

I recently installed an application (PackMaster - Cub Scout tracking
software from www.troopmaster.com) that uses the OS default mail
system calls to place messages in my Outbox. This works flawlessly.
However, I need to change which account is handling my these messages.

I went into properties for the account I want it to use and set the
default for mailto: URLs.
No luck.

With the mailto: setting on the new account, I re-installed MAPI in
Options | Properties | Applications.
Again no luck.

Each time I made a change, I also closed TB and tested. Then restarted
the OS and tested again.
Still no luck.

My OS is XP sp2.
I have been using TB from the 1.x versions.

A quick easy way to test this - right click a file, then
  Send To | Mail Recipient
That is actually how I have been doing most of my tests to make things
simpler (and rule out PackMaster being the problem).

Anyone have any idea how I change this?

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Re: Attachment handling

[Tim Musson]

Hey Tom,

My MUA believes mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
was written on Saturday, October 27, 2007 at 2:14:38 AM.

> I would prefer to save all attachments to a central location on my
> harddrive (ie outside of the TB) hoping that this will reduce the
> file size within TB.

> I read through the Help file and changed the setting. However with
> my test email I noticed that while the attachment was indeed saved
> elsewhere, the email still showed the attachment (as existing and
> picture). Is this normal and perhaps my misunderstanding? I assumed
> I might only have a txt reference to the split attachment with TB /
> preview pane but the info is complete. Is the file size saved
> actually smaller now or do I have the attachment saved within TB and
> in my external directory now and need to do something else?

The setting you chose only moved the file (in your case, the picture)
out of the messages.tb? files. When you are reading mail, it does not
look any different.

You can do a quick test if you like.

Create a new folder, then send an eMail with a large pix in it.

Change the setting, create another new folder and send the same pix to
that new folder.

Go to the file system and check the size of your messages.tb* files.
They will not be the same size and the diff will be approximately the
size of you pix.

If you don't see an obvious difference, run a quick purge/compress
over those folders and check again.

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Re: Saving a TB! installation to CD

[Tim Musson]

Hey Chris,

Tuesday, December 26, 2000, 3:10:56 PM, you wrote:


CW> I have a very workable TB! installation but am considering re loading
CW> the OS in an early Spring Clean operation. How can i save it to CD for
CW> future reloading? In particular what do I need to save and what about
CW> file attributes when writing a CD? I will be using Nero 5 to write any
CW> backups.

CW> Thanks.

I am planing the same - NT4 to W2k reinstall before Jan. so asked
[EMAIL PROTECTED]

In v148f:
   Tools
Backup
Restore
Syncronise...

I have not found any documentation, but I did a BU of one of my
accounts, then restored it to another computer with TBv148f and got
everything I checked for (mail, and settings...).  Nice!, but I wish
there were some docs about what is backed up, etc...

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Re[2]: Saving a TB! installation to CD

[Tim Musson]

Hey Tim,

Tuesday, December 26, 2000, 4:16:49 PM, you wrote:

TM> Hey Chris,

TM> Tuesday, December 26, 2000, 3:10:56 PM, you wrote:


CW>> I have a very workable TB! installation but am considering re loading
CW>> the OS in an early Spring Clean operation. How can i save it to CD for
CW>> future reloading? In particular what do I need to save and what about
CW>> file attributes when writing a CD? I will be using Nero 5 to write any
CW>> backups.

CW>> Thanks.

TM> I am planing the same - NT4 to W2k reinstall before Jan. so asked
TM> [EMAIL PROTECTED]

TM> In v148f:
TM>Tools
TM> Backup
TM> Restore
TM> Syncronise...

TM> I have not found any documentation, but I did a BU of one of my
TM> accounts, then restored it to another computer with TBv148f and got
TM> everything I checked for (mail, and settings...).  Nice!, but I wish
TM> there were some docs about what is backed up, etc...

TM> [EMAIL PROTECTED]


Well, Everything worked splendidly for the backup and restore (under
Tools) using TB v1.48f.  Only one problem...  None of my filters/rules
are to be found!  What is up with that?...

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Re[2]: Seeking assitance from a Reg Expression Expert

[Tim Musson]

Hey A.,

Wednesday, December 27, 2000, 7:01:02 PM, you wrote:

ACM> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE-
ACM> Hash: SHA1

ACM> On Wed, 27 Dec 2000 22:33:12 +, Manfred Ell contributed this
ACM> to our collective wisdom:

Kevin>>> I'm trying to write a Macro filter for a mail forwarding
Kevin>>> template, but am  not  having  much  luck  so  far.  What  I
Kevin>>> need is to spit out the original  text  while  stripping out all
Kevin>>> new line characters, carriage returns  and  tabs.  It  should
Kevin>>> also strip out any line in the message that contains one or more
Kevin>>> instances of ">".

ME>> Januk is the man  you are looking for ;-)

ACM> AFAIK, this cannot be pulled off with a single regex macro. This is
ACM> complex text processing that has to be done. It would need to be a
ACM> script that runs multiple search and delete operations (a regex being
ACM> used for each operation) and finally outputting the result. A Perl
ACM> script for example.

ACM> The regex macros that we've been using do a simple match and then either
ACM> outputs the entire match or a matched regex subpattern.


I'm not sure how RegEx is used in TB, but using perls/\n\t\//g;
would remove the new line (\n) and tab (\t) characters.  The > part
would be a little more.  If you want this in perl, email me offline...
It's fairly simple...


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Re[2]: Saving a TB! installation to CD

[Tim Musson]

Hey Mark,

Saturday, December 30, 2000, 10:20:00 AM, you wrote:

>> Well, Everything worked splendidly for the backup and restore (under
>> Tools) using TB v1.48f.  Only one problem...  None of my filters/rules
>> are to be found!  What is up with that?...

MA> Confirmed,  tried  it a few days ago with 1.48f all filters were lost

Egg on face -sort of-.  I did loose my filters for my primary account
(this one), but one of my other "list" accounts still had them!  Go
figure!  And yes, all my accounts were backed up with the same
Tools/Backup, and restored with the same Tools/Restore!  Not sure what
happened...  One thing I did find odd, but probably a good idea - The
accounts that needed a password to access, had to be opened with the
password before starting the backup.

Over all, it's kudos to the TB team for writing a VERY simple and
effective backup/restore solution in there mail app.  (which should be
expected as that is a basic defo of TB!  Much easier than the Reg
extraction/Zip solution I have seen previously (which I did just in
case as I knew 148f was the first release with the Backup/Restore
option).


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Re[2]: Seeking assitance from a Reg Expression Expert

[Tim Musson]

Hey A.,

Saturday, December 30, 2000, 11:40:10 AM, you wrote:

ACM> Would you restrict our quoting to what's immediately relevant to your
ACM> replies. This is an explicit rule stated in the list charter. It makes
ACM> the mail a lot more readable and the savings in kb's per message adds up
ACM> when your mail base exceeds 30,000 messages. :=)

Sorry, will do in the future.  Where do I find the Charter so I don't make
such faux pas' in other messages?

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Re[2]: Saving a TB! installation to CD

[Tim Musson]

Hey Mike,

Saturday, December 30, 2000, 10:43:10 AM, you wrote:

MY> In your \Mail\\ folder you should find several files
MY> named ACCOUNT.* with extensions of CFG, FLX, LOG etc.  These should be
MY> backed up/restored as well.  I think the SRX contains the filters and
MY> QTN has the Quick Templates.

MY> I could be wrong about what is in which file, but I'd include them in
MY> any transfer.

Thanks Mike, I will check that out.  I have already recreated my
filters, but will check those to make sure I have not missed any...

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Re[2]: Palm Support?

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Hey Fred,

Wednesday, January 03, 2001, 10:03:03 PM, you wrote:

>> One question: Is there any support available to synchronize E-Mails
>> from The Bat with my Palm PDA? And if not, is support planned for the
>> future?

FW> As a long-time TheBat user, and a fairly recent Palm IIIxe user, I'm
FW> following this public thread.  In the hopes that someone contacts you
FW> off-list with the specifics, I'm wondering if you'd be so kind as to either
FW> post it publicly to the list, or privately to me.

FW> Thanks, and good luck to us all.

I have exchanged mail with people who have this working!...  However,
I have not been able to get my Palm to sync with TB (I think it is
due to other problems I am having on the Palm).  I will post if/when
I get it working (if the following has not been verified to work by
then).

I would say the instructions on how to Sync TB mail and the Palm are
as follows (after various eMail exchanges including Stefan, Frank
Weidmann, and others on the list).

TB needs to be your default MAPI mailer, and must open a TB message
for mailto: URL's.  For example the http code
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"from" account you selected on the bottom line (second field from the
right).

In HotSync Manager select Custom | Mail | Change and ensure/change
your mail system to M$ Outlook Express or Eudora.  Also, HotSync must
be set to Synchronize Files for Mail.

On your Palm, in the Mail app HotSync Options (/H or, Options|HotSync)
select "All" and the mail in your TB Inbox & Outbox should sync with
the Palm Inbox & Outbox.

All this using:
Palm OS v3.3
HotSync Manager v3.1.2
Palm Desktop v3.0.1,
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Re: Scroll-bar quirk

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Hey David,

Thursday, January 04, 2001, 1:25:04 PM, you wrote:

DH> Hello TBUDL,

DH>   I've been using TB for a few years, but since downloading the latest
DH>   update I am experiencing the following problem:

DH>   I often edit down the quoted part of a reply.  But in the latest
DH>   version when I highlight an area right down to the end of the
DH>   message so that everything visible in the reply panel is
DH>   highlighted, when I delete it the reply panel goes totally blank and
DH>   the scroll bar disappears (hope this makes sense).

DH>   It looks as though it has deleted the whole message (even the bit at
DH>   the top that was not highlighted), but in fact it is still there -
DH>   you just have to use the arrow key to go back up (or press Ctrl/Home
DH>   etc.).  I find this quite disconcerting - if part of the message has
DH>   scrolled off the screen then the scroll-bar should still be there.

DH>   I don't recall this happening with the previous version I had.  Is
DH>   there a way to stop this happening ?

I have seen the same thing, and thought I had done something wrong...

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Re: Close thread from a sub message?

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Hey Allie,

My MUA believes '(X-Mailer not set)' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Wednesday, July 3, 2002 at 10:42:32 AM.

ACM> I use Shift-Ctrl-Fn-* to achieve the effect.

Nope, in order to get the numeric keypad functioning, I have to
shift-ScrlLk, at that point, the shift-ctrl-* works, but

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Re: Close thread from a sub message?

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Hey Miguel,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60c) Business' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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MAU> It would be so easy to have the option on the right click context
MAU> menu...

But then I would have to reach _all_ the way over  to the mouse
If I am doing that, I can just click the [-] icon.

MAU> Specially for those of us who have a problem on using and remembering
MAU> so many "longcuts".

Well, I use Vim all the time, and keyboard is everything there. :-)

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Re: help?

[Tim Musson]

Hey John,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60q) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Wednesday, July 3, 2002 at 1:30:10 PM.

JB> Hey guys .. two questions.

JB> 1.  Is there a way to apply a message rule to a folder and have it
JB> sort the contents?

Is View \ Sort By' what you are looking for? You can also click the
column headers.

JB> 2.  How you can you 'auto-size' the the diffent header information?
JB> Usually you just double click on the line seperating From | To |
JB> Subject and the sizes to the max length.

No auto-size feature. :-(

If you put '-- ' in at the end of your msg (start of you sig), it
saves people 'trimming'. This list is a real stickler for trimming 
Try a reply to this msg to see what I mean, my sig does not show up in
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Re: Another way to import AB from Outlook

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Hey Adam,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal' was used
to write mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Friday, July 5, 2002 at 9:32:06 AM.

AR> Also  remember  that  Outlook  can  swap  between  Outlook  and OE
AR> for contacts ...

Corporate PC - OE not loaded

AR> Does Address Book (Start menu) give you the same
AR> contacts as OE and Outlook??

No, it is empty.  In Outlook, I have a number of (personal)
'Contacts' defined.

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Re: Another way to import AB from Outlook

[Tim Musson]

Hey Emanuele,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60q) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Friday, July 5, 2002 at 9:45:59 AM.

E> Ok, then i think that you can export your M$ Outlook AB to .WAB
E> format (the format for M$ AB), import it in M$ AB and then perform
E> the previously explained task.

That is an idea, but the method mentioned in the message that started
this thread  is a much
easier solution.  It worked like a charm!

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Re: Another way to import AB from Outlook

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Hey Christopher,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal' was used
to write mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Friday, July 5, 2002 at 5:15:06 AM.

CTD> It exports your Outlook Address book as a single vCard file which
CTD> The Bat! imports happily.

CTD> It is at: CTD> http://www.geocities.com/gregfrie/

Hey, thanks for this link (works well). I now have a good method of
taking my personal AB from Outlook when this contract ends! 

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Re: Another way to import AB from Outlook

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Hey Adam,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Friday, July 5, 2002 at 11:11:25 AM.

AR> Now I wished I'd waiting before blatting LookOut!!!



AR> If  you  right  click  on Contacts and select properties, is there an option
AR> there  to  share  the contacts with OE - because even though you haven't got
AR> OE, doing so would mean the contacts would pop up in the Address Book app..

Nope

AR> Short of that - try adding Personal Address Book to your Outlook profile...?

Think I will stick with the VB Macro that started this thread.

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Shift+Ctrl+Del bug?

[Tim Musson]

The,

  I have noticed an odd behavior after upgrading to 1.60

  Here is the scenario...
   View \ View threads by \ References
   View \ Sort by \ Received time (Descending)

   I am reading list mail (like TBUDL) and come to a subject line
   I have no interest in, so with just the top message selected
   (and the thread collapsed), I use the 'Shift+Ctrl+Del' hot key.

   Now for the odd part.

  Say there were 5 messages in the thread when I deleted. Now I
  have the next 5 messages highlighted! If I were expecting to
  delete 2 threads by hitting the delete button 2 times (if I
  didn't want to read 2 threads...) I have just deleted a whole
  lot of mail unexpectedly!

   I don't recall this happening in previous versions, and think I
   would as I do that type of thing all the time.

   Any one else see this?  Any solutions?  Have I got something set
   odd?

   BTW, I can not necessarily reproduce on demand, and it does *not*
   always happen. :-(

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Re: Shift+Ctrl+Del bug?

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Hey Tim,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Saturday, July 6, 2002 at 9:22:34 PM.

TM>BTW, I can not necessarily reproduce on demand, and it does
TM>*not* always happen. :-(

It gets worse...  I was paying attention as I was going through my
Perl list, and found a 5 msg thread that when deleted left me with the
next 5 messages highlighted.

So. I went to the trash and moved them back and tried again (a few
times) and guess what.  It did not happen!

Now as I am continuing my reading, I delete a message with just the
delete key (single msg, no thread) and guess what!  I now have the
next 2 messages highlighted (2 top level collapsed threads)!

Frustrated.

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Re: Palm Sync.

[Tim Musson]

Hey Rick,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Monday, July 8, 2002 at 12:29:19 AM.

RR> Does anyone know if the Bat team has some plans to include some
RR> kind of synching for the Palm? It would be an awesome feature and
RR> one I've been dying to have.

As far as I know, RIT has no plans to do anything along these lines,
but I am trying to get something put together from people on this
list. Will keep the list informed.

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Re: Palm Sync.

[Tim Musson]

Hey Britt,

My MUA believes 'SecureBat! (Malka)' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Monday, July 8, 2002 at 8:06:16 AM.

BM> I am very much interested too. Recently we had a Danish request
BM> about how to convert The Bat! mails into Outlook messages, because
BM> I wanted to be able to syncronise with his Palm.

Are you saying you wanted to sync eMail with the Palm? That has worked
for quite a while (via MAPI). What we are trying to get now is the AB
Sync working (which will require a conduit).

BM> It would be enough to write a conduit, but unfortunately I don't
BM> know how to do that.

Me either, but... 

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Re: Palm Sync.

[Tim Musson]

Hey Britt,

My MUA believes 'SecureBat! (Malka)' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Monday, July 8, 2002 at 8:27:38 AM.

BM> Yes, I know, I tried it once, but only with the inbox, isn't that
BM> right?

Yes, mail only syncs with the inbox, but I think to do other folders,
it would take a different mail app on the Palm.

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Re: Palm Sync.

[Tim Musson]

Hey Rick,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Monday, July 8, 2002 at 8:29:20 AM.

RR> On Monday, July 8, 2002, 8:27:38 AM, Britt Malka wrote:

TM>>> Are you saying you wanted to sync eMail with the Palm?

RR>  Actually all I care about is synching the address book. I want my
RR>  contacts to be the same in both places. I don't care about doing
RR>  the e-mail synch although for some I'm sure this would be nice.

I want both of course .

BTB Rick, your sig delimiter is missing the space.  Yours is '--' and
should be '-- '.  TB will automagically rip out everything after '-- '
so all the people who reply to your msg don't need to do it manually!

To see what I mean, reply to your msg, then reply to mine.

RR> --

RR> Rick

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Re: Shift+Ctrl+Del bug?

[Tim Musson]

Hey Daniel,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60q/Post3) Educational' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Monday, July 8, 2002 at 2:55:06 PM.

DG> For what it's worth, I just deleted an 11 message thread, with but a
DG> single [Cntrl]-[Shift]-[Delete]. The threading is diagramed below.

Did you see the problem or not?  You don't indicate?  At a guess, I
see it about 5% of the time...  Can't nail it down to anything
specific though. :-(

DG> I'm using the mysterious, TheBat! 1.60q/Post3. Could this be a reason
DG> for version q/p3?

I don't read TBBeta regularly, but a number of other TBUDL members do,
and I would think they would have mentioned it if there was a fix in
it.

,- [ And, this from the release of p3 ]
| The post-release for 1.60q is available at
| https://www.ritlabs.com/download/the_bat/beta/tb160qp3.rar
| 
| While we are working on The Bat! v2, there is need for better virus
| handling and PKCS#10 Certificate Request generation. Please confirm
| wheter then new anti-virus enhancements and Certificate Request
| generation work properly.
| 
| [-] Fixed control tab order in Address Book Properties dialog.
| 
| [-] Fixed deadlocks which could occur when the AVP COM-module couldn't
| be initialized while AVP plugin was present.
| 
| [-] During an anti-virus check of incoming attachment, if an
| anti-virus API has returned an error, The Bat! did report a false
| positive (virus found).
| 
| [+] Two new anti-virus options: "Check attachments before the user
| saves them to disk" and "Check outgoing mail for viruses". The last
| option calls the anti-virus plugins before the user stores a message
| to the outbox.
| 
| [-] PKCS#10 Certificate Request generation didn't work properly.
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AB_Format.rtf distribution?

[Tim Musson]

Marck,

  Do you know if there are any distribution restrictions on the
  AB_Format.rtf file?  I have a yahoo group set up for building the
  Palm conduit, and would like to keep it in the files section.

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Re: AB_Format.rtf distribution?

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Hey Marck,

My MUA believes 'Ritlabs SecureBat! (v1.61)' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Thursday, July 11, 2002 at 1:54:25 PM.

MDP> My only reservation would be that a public forum placement
MDP> suddenly open the TB AB format for viral abuse.

That was my thought.  I think I will just not post it publicly.

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Re: AB_Format.rtf distribution?

[Tim Musson]

Hey Gerard,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60i) Business' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Thursday, July 11, 2002 at 2:43:21 PM.

TM>> That was my thought.  I think I will just not post it publicly.

G> A yes, security by obscurity. Some of the most important companies
G> do it and they can't be wrong :-^)

Ah, but I am not associated with RIT in any way. If *they* want to put
it on the files list, then I have no problem with it. 

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Re: Palm Sync.

[Tim Musson]

Hey Freddie,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Friday, July 12, 2002 at 10:51:05 AM.

FF> I want to add my 2 cents as well. PLEASE, we need an address book
FF> (and email) conduit for the Palm OS.

You can already sync eMail via the standard MAPI feature of both TB &
Palm.  I have not even heard of any rumors about adding to that
functionality...

We are trying to get something together to allow an AB Sync.

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Re: Palm Sync.

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Hey Joseph,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.61) Business' was used
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on Friday, July 12, 2002 at 11:16:34 AM.

JN> If anyone develops a conduit for TB!, the synchronization of the AB
JN> and the mailboxes should be kept separate.

If I am involved, that is what I would push for.  Actually, I had
never even thought of doing anything with the eMail sync that works
just fine...

JN> The user should be allowed to determine whether the AB information
JN> will be sync'ed.

Agreed.

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Re: Palm Sync.

[Tim Musson]

Hey Joseph,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.61) Business' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Friday, July 12, 2002 at 11:39:13 AM.

JN> If you mean Tim Musson's technique, yes, I know. Tim's technique
JN> works, but it is not useful for those who do not have the time or
JN> willingness to change .ini files.

You should not need to touch the .ini files.  I only included it in
the FAQ because I found it interesting, and was going to try to get
more information from Palm about the format.  Unfortunately, Palm said
'we don't support changing the .ini file by hand, so we are not going
to give you any information about it.'

If someone were to write a conduit to sync Palm mail and TB mail, it
would be similar customizations.

JN> So it seems to me likely that, if someone is going to develop a
JN> conduit for the TB! AB, it would also take care of the TB! inbox.

I am involved in trying to get the AB conduit put together, and there
has not been any discussion about adding eMail sync...

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Re: Navigating to next message in thread

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Hey Joseph,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.61) Business' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Friday, July 12, 2002 at 11:02:52 AM.

JN> I thought I'd seen this request here, but couldn't find it in the
JN> archives.  How does one navigate from one message in a thread to
JN> the next??  The arrow icons in the message viewer do not do it,
JN> regardless of whether the thread is expanded.

How are your messages sorted?
View \ Sort by \
I believe those arrows just take you to the next msg in the list of
messages.

Did you look at the Keyboard shortcuts listed in the FAQ?

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Re: Message final glitches

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Hey Joyce,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60q) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Saturday, July 13, 2002 at 2:39:32 PM.

JS> 1.  How  do  I  get  to stop TB from _always_ suggesting me a template
JS> (which in any case is always wrong for me?). Where do I switch it off?
JS> Can  I  switch it off selectively (according to address or folder?) or
JS> is it all/nothing at all?

Let's see, Templates take affect in this order (I think ):
  AB Contact
  AB Group
  Folder (recommend you don't use this one)
  Account
See the FAQ for more information on Templates.

JS> 2. The OE and CC479 had a nice feature called "follow
JS> conversation", where you would get specific subjects highlighted,
JS> regardless of sender. The color group is a permanent think and is
JS> appropriate for senders, but is there something similar for
JS> subjects? I must point out It's useless for me to work in
JS> "threads", because anyway I deal with people (or 80% of them) who
JS> just don't know how to respect subject/thread definitions.

You can create filters that Change the color of the message in the
message list.  Will that work for you?  ( Message \ Color Group \
Edit... )

JS> 3.  The  "delete"  function (both the button and the delete sub-menus)
JS> seem  to  be  almost  always disabled. The only way I manage to delete
JS> messages  is  to  "move  it to trash" and then tell it to empty it. It
JS> works  for  a few minutes when I first open program and then it stops.
JS> What am I doing wrong?

I have not had this problem.

HTH

One last thing.  If you use a -- as a sig delimiter,
TB strips off your sig automatically so responders don't need to
manually cut your sig and the list footers out. 

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Re: Columns definition in various folders' message lists

[Tim Musson]

Hey Joyce,

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to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Saturday, July 13, 2002 at 2:50:10 PM.

JS> Is  there  a  way  I  can  _globally_  confire the columns of _all_ my
JS> folders in _one_ single operation? I have dozens & dozens of them, and
JS> I  can't  believe I really have to open each and every one of them, go
JS> to view, etc. etc.

JS> Is there a shortcut to all this?

Sort of, Set one folder, then go into folder properties and check "Use
the account default column settings" for each folder you want to be
the same.  Now if you change any one, they all change.

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Re: SMTP server report

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Hey Jonathan,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Saturday, July 13, 2002 at 2:35:49 PM.

JEB> I have tried several SMTP servers recently.  All were
JEB> overcomplicated in configuration...except the newest MERCURY/32.
JEB> It is marvelous.

Which ones did you look at? Will be looking myself soon I think.

JEB> Anyone have a caching-only DNS server they like for Win32 ???

No, sorry, but you might check
 They might have a
suggestion (you could also sign up for the list and ask if
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Re: SMTP server report

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Hey Jonathan,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Saturday, July 13, 2002 at 3:07:00 PM.

JEB>>> I have tried several SMTP servers recently.  All were
JEB>>> overcomplicated in configuration...except the newest
JEB>>> MERCURY/32. It is marvelous.

>> Which ones did you look at? Will be looking myself soon I think.

JEB> Ayii! So many that I don't remember most of them.

Did you try X-Ray?

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Re: sending email

[Tim Musson]

Hey t,

My MUA believes '' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Saturday, July 13, 2002 at 7:39:08 PM.

tc> everytime i try to send mail i get the following error:
tc> !7/13/2002, 18:35:33: SEND - Message has not been sent. Server
tc> reply - Error: queue file write error

That does sound like a server err msg to me... I would go one step
more and try to send a message using Telnet (gets sticky if you need
authentication though.)

,- [ Send eMail via Telnet ]
| # telnet to a machine that responds to smtp on port 25
| telnet smtp.domain.com 25
| # issue the HELO command to start.
| HELO
| # issue the mail from command
| mail from:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| # issue the rcpt to command (this should be a valid address)
| rcpt to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| # now the data command will allow you to do the rest..
| data
| # "Subject:the text you want on the subject line" on the first line for a subject...
| # other text here goes into the message body.
| # end the mail message with a . on a line by itself.
`-

Make sure you capture the output so you can send it off the the server
people if they ask...

,- [ Example so you can see what it may look like ]
| 220 smtp.domain.com Ready for business. iSMTP Version(5.0.1.93).
| HELO
| 250 Ok Pleased to meet you.
| 
| mail from:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| 250 Ok Mail accepted
| 
| rcpt to:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| 250 Ok Recipient accepted
| data
| 354 Start mail input; end with .
| subject:this is a test!
| testing more...
| .
| 250 Ok Data accepted
`-

tc> Just in case, i am sending this here (from the webmail option
tc> site, since i can't send it any other way). I can send from the
tc> webmail bit, just not pop3 from The_Bat.

Nit-picking... POP3 is only to get mail from the server, you use SMTP
to send the mail... 

8< snip

,- [People on this list are much happier if you use a "Cut Mark"]
| This is a "special sequence that starts on a new line and consists of
| two dashes (minus signs) and a space followed by another new line.
| 
| 
| 
| This "cut mark" is recognised by many email programs and is used as a
| cut off point for signatures. That way, when someone replies to one of
| your messages, your signature (anything below the cut mark) is
| removed. Likewise, when you reply to a message from someone that
| includes cut mark, The Bat! will remove anything below the cut mark
| from the text you quote.
`- [see FAQ @ ]

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Re: Message final glitches

[Tim Musson]

Hey Dierk,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.61) Personal' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Sunday, July 14, 2002 at 3:09:50 AM.

DH> 2. Make a Quick Template with the %CLEAR macro in it and invoke it
DH> before you enter anything else in your new message.

Cool tip!

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Auto size subject column

[Tim Musson]

The,

  For some strange reason I turned off the option to auto-size the
  subject column as threads expand. Now I can't find where it is set.
  Can someone help me out?

   TIA

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Re: Auto size subject column

[Tim Musson]

Hey Januk,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60q/Post3) Educational' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Sunday, July 14, 2002 at 4:36:36 PM.

JA>  -> Options
JA>-> Preferences
JA>  -> Message List

JA> It is the first option.
 
Yes, I think I am blind today...
Thanks!

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Re: Importing some fields into AB

[Tim Musson]

Hey Joseph,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.61) Business' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Tuesday, July 16, 2002 at 4:24:48 PM.

JN> Forgive my asking a question here as a shortcut; I think I could
JN> trial-and-error my way to an answer of this, but I don't have the
JN> time: I need to import several hundred records into a new AB group
JN> from another program. The address records in that other program
JN> all have titles such as Mr., Ms., Dr., etc. I don't want those in
JN> my TB! group, but if I import them my customary way, as vCards,
JN> all fields come over. Is there a way to import everything except
JN> the contents of a specified field?

How about editing your .vcf file and stripping out the titles?  A good
text editor (like TextPad, Vim, UltraEdit, etc.) should be able to do
that fairly easily.

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/ImportLDIF syntax?

[Tim Musson]

The /ExportLDIF option is documented in the help file, does anyone
have any documentation on /ImportLDIF?

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Re: /ImportLDIF syntax?

[Tim Musson]

Hey Januk,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.61) Educational' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 9:55:09 PM.

JA> From my tests, the undocumented options are identical.

Thanks, I was hoping to get that kind of answer!

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Re: Bounce messages from postmaster@vizzavi.nl

[Tim Musson]

Hey Marck,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.62/Beta1)' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 6:59:34 AM.

MDP> Here's an update to the filter that includes the message headers
MDP> for their benefit (I already heard back from one of the
MDP> directors).

MDP> BeginFilter
MDP> Name: Vizzavi Mail Administrator
MDP> Active: 1
MDP> Source: \\Marck\Inbox
MDP> Target: \\Marck\Trash
MDP> CopyFolder: none
MDP> MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
MDP> MainSet: 20Mail System Error - Returned Mail
MDP> Actions: faMarkRead,faAutoReply
MDP> ReplyTemplate:
MDP> 
OI!\20Postmaster!\0D\0A%CC\3D\[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]\22\0D\0ADon\27t\20tell\20me.\0D\0A\0D\0AI\20may\20be\20the\20originator\20but\20I\27m\20NOT\20the\20sender.\0D\0A\0D\0APlease\20configure\20your\20server\20to\20send\20NDRs\20to\20the\20right\20address\20and\0D\0ASTOP\20SENDING\20UCE\20TO\20THIS\20INNOCENT\20WEB\20TRAVELLER.\0D\0A\0D\0A8<---\0D\0A%QUOTESTYLE\3D\22NONE\22\0D\0A%HEADERS\0D\0A%TEXT\0D\0A\0D\0A
MDP> EndFilter

Where in the Filter is the ReplyTemplate: field suppost to land? The
paste seemed to work (yes, I changed \\Marck\Inbox) and the filter
created a msg and put it in my out box, but it used my Account reply
template.  Not the reply template you have above...

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Re: Bounce messages from postmaster@vizzavi.nl

[Tim Musson]

Hey Jonathan,

My MUA believes 'Sylpheed version 0.7.8claws (GTK+ 1.2.9; )' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 7:53:50 AM.

JA> The line wrapping broke it I think.

Yep, the single wrap did it...

,- [ This should be on one line... ]
| ReplyTemplate:
| 
|OI!\20Postmaster!\0D\0A%CC\3D\[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]\22\0D\0ADon\27t\20tell\20me.\0D\0A\0D\0AI\20may\20be\20the\20originator\20but\20I\27m\20NOT\20the\20sender.\0D\0A\0D\0APlease\20configure\20your\20server\20to\20send\20NDRs\20to\20the\20right\20address\20and\0D\0ASTOP\20SENDING\20UCE\20TO\20THIS\20INNOCENT\20WEB\20TRAVELLER.\0D\0A\0D\0A8<---\0D\0A%QUOTESTYLE\3D\22NONE\22\0D\0A%HEADERS\0D\0A%TEXT\0D\0A\0D\0A
`-

JA> You may want to copy the whole thing into notepad
Any text editor but notepad! (how about SmartBat? )

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Re: Bounce messages from postmaster@vizzavi.nl

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Hey Marck,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.62/Beta1)' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 8:24:34 AM.

MDP> 
ReplyTemplate:%CC\3D\[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]\22\0D\0AYou\20are\20writing\20to\20the\20wrong\20address.\0D\0A\0D\0AI\20may\20be\20the\20originator\20but\20I\27m\20NOT\20the\20sender.\0D\0A\0D\0APlease\20configure\20your\20server\20to\20send\20NDRs\20to\20the\20right\20address.\0D\0A\0D\0A8<---\0D\0A%QUOTESTYLE\3D\22NONE\22\0D\0A%HEADERS\0D\0A%TEXT\0D\0A\0D\0A
MDP> EndFilter

MDP> By removing the space after the "ReplyTemplate:" title TB won't be
MDP> able to wrap the line.

Interesting, I thought that what you were seeing in the message editor
is what was sent..  Did something change, or did TB always wrap on
send like that?

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Move message store and executables?

[Tim Musson]

Good morning all

I currently have TB installed in d:\The Bat! with my default 'MAIL'
dir under it.

I am looking to put TB executable files back in the default of
c:\Program Files\The Bat! and move the default MAIL folder to e:\Mail.

What is the best way to do this?

I know I can go into an account an change where it lives, but would
rather move it using the OS, and change the default. That way new
accounts come up in the e:\Mail dir.

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Re: Bounce messages from postmaster@vizzavi.nl

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Hey Marck,

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to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 8:49:52 AM.

MDP> TB wraps *on view*. If you "view source" of the original message,
MDP> you will see the line without wrapping.

MDP> TB has to wrap on view for received messages

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Re: Move message store and executables?

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MG> Tim, could you please post if Sergey's trick worked?

Will probably try this weekend... and yes I will post my results.

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Re: Bounce messages from postmaster@vizzavi.nl

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Hey Paul,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.61) Personal' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 11:57:38 AM.

PC>well, what I MEANT was not how to copy and paste, but what the H&!!
PC> it actually means.

I can take a stab at this one.  However, I would suggest you create
the template the way Marck did.  Go into the Filter tool, and do it
there...  That said,

,- [  ]
| BeginFilter
| Name: Vizzavi Mail Administrator   <<- Filter name
| Active: 1  <<- On or off (1/0) at a guess
| Source: \\Marck\Inbox  <<- Source Folder
| Target: \\Marck\Trash  <<- Target Folder
| CopyFolder: none   <<- I read this as 'don't put a
|copy of the message in another folder.
| MainSet: [EMAIL PROTECTED]   <<- Search string to identify msg
| MainSet: 20Mail System Error - Returned Mail  <<- Second Search str
| Actions: faMarkRead,faAutoReply<<- What to do Mark it Read,
|   Create Reply
| 
|ReplyTemplate:%CC\3D\[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED];[EMAIL PROTECTED]\22\0D\0AYou\20are\20writing\20to\20the\20wrong\20address.\0D\0A\0D\0AI\20may\20be\20the\20originator\20but\20I\27m\20NOT\20the\20sender.\0D\0A\0D\0APlease\20configure\20your\20server\20to\20send\20NDRs\20to\20the\20right\20address.\0D\0A\0D\0A8<---\0D\0A%QUOTESTYLE\3D\22NONE\22\0D\0A%HEADERS\0D\0A%TEXT\0D\0A\0D\0A
|   This one is the template used to create the reply
|   The odd stuff you see is mostly formatting (look for
|   /20 - I believe that translates to a 'space' char).
|   I think there is an RFC that defines things like /20,
|   but I don't know what it is - anyone else have a
|   source for info on the translations? Web documents use
|   the codes like /20 also - problems putting a space in
|   a URL, so they translate to /20...
| EndFilter  <<- End of Filter 
`-

Again, I would suggest creating in TB's filter tool, the copy/paste
into an editor (SmartBat).  I am guessing you can rip out any fields
that are not set.

,- [People on this list are much happier if you use a "Cut Mark"]
| This is a "special sequence that starts on a new line and consists of
| two dashes (minus signs) and a space followed by another new line.
| 
| 
| 
| This "cut mark" is recognized by many eMail programs and is used as a
| cut off point for signatures. That way, when someone replies to one of
| your messages, your signature (anything below the cut mark) is
| removed. Likewise, when you reply to a message from someone that
| includes cut mark, The Bat! will remove anything below the cut mark
| from the text you quote.
`- [see FAQ @ ]

PC> / Paul
PC> Using The Bat! v1.61 on Windows XP
PC> 5.1 Build 2600

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Re: Bounce messages from postmaster@vizzavi.nl

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Hey Peter,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.61) Personal' was used
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on Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 1:09:05 PM.

PP> Now there's only one question left: why does TB! not use '%xx',
PP> but '\xx'?

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Re: Bounce messages from postmaster@vizzavi.nl

[Tim Musson]

Hey Thomas,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.62/Beta1) Personal' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 1:40:32 PM.

TF> It is the hexadecimal value of the space character in ASCII.

Good to know, that will make it easier to translate (ASCII tables are
easy to find).
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Re: Multiple email addresses

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Hey Joseph,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.61) Business' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 1:21:16 PM.

JN> It still astonishes me how TB!'s AB has only one field for email
JN> addresses.  Yes, I know that multiple addresses can be inserted
JN> into that field, one per line, and selected with menu commands
JN> from a recipient field, but because it's still only *one* field,
JN> multiple addresses cannot be imported into it.  Most of my
JN> contacts have multiple email addresses.  Is there any way to
JN> import hundreds of contacts with multiple email addresses without
JN> having to manually adjust each record?

Should have no problem using vCard or LDIF formats...

,- [ LDIF import of 2 eMail addresses ]
| mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
| otherMailbox: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
`-
,- [ vCard import of 2 eMail addresses ]
| EMAIL;PREF;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
| EMAIL;INTERNET:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
`-

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Re: Multiple email addresses

[Tim Musson]

Hey alists,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60q) Educational' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 8:13:46 PM.

awc> Am i missing something, what I do is list all the addresses in
awc> one line, separated by a comma.. then it writes messages to all
awc> their addresses..

Joseph's message was talking about the Address Book (TB AB), and
importing contacts that have more than one eMail address. You can
include multiple eMail addresses for each 'contact'.

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Re: Automatic backups?

[Tim Musson]

Hey Michael,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60q)' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Wednesday, July 17, 2002 at 8:33:46 AM.

MT> Hello tbudl,

MT>   Is there any way to automate the Backup procedure??

Now within TB.  However, you can create a batch file that

1. backs up the reg key (see )
2. backs up the TB file systems (copy, compress, etc.)

Then schedule the batch file to run.

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Re: About TBOT

[Tim Musson]

Hey Sudip,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Friday, July 19, 2002 at 8:57:03 AM.

SP>Is TBOT spam free? In the past, with some egroups, I've been at the
SP>receiving end of some nasty spamming.

Don't think I ever got any spam via TBOT...

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New: Palm-The Bat Sync conduit for AB

[Tim Musson]

  Development for the Palm-The Bat! Sync (ptbs) conduit started a
  couple of weeks ago!

  I have created a new group at Yahoo for
  Questions / Feature Requests / Suggestions / etc.

Group Name: ptbs Comments [ptbsC]
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  First question is in the Archives at Yahoo...

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Re: Filters again

[Tim Musson]

Hey Jonathan,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60c) Personal' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Monday, July 22, 2002 at 11:11:39 AM.

>> I've been building spam filters lately, as some of you are aware,
>> and it seemed like I ought to be able to use the 'add' button on
>> the 'general' tab of the filters page to make a list of addresses
>> that ought to go into a particular folder. But for some reason
>> those filters are being totally ignored - So I must be missing
>> something. I've shifted it (them) around a bit in the heirarchy,
>> but no result. Here's a sample of the spam filter - I wanted to do
>> the same with other stuff that belongs in other folders, but
>> getting the same result. The filters are ignored. Anyway, here it
>> is:

JA> Yes... I think you're making a long AND query... so ALL the addresses
JA> would have to be listed.  Move all but the first one to the
JA> alternatives page, and try running the filter again.

I would suggest a little different approach.  Put all your spam
addresses in a 'spamers' AB group, then have your filter process
against that AB group.  That way you don't need to modify your filter
each time you want to add a new spamer.  All you would need to do is
highlight the msg and Ctrl-W to add the new spamer to the AB Group and
away you go...

btw, you would do this on the 'Advanced' tab most of the way to the
bottom. Look for 'Address(es) must be listed in the address book:'
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Re: Filters again

[Tim Musson]

Hey Jonathan,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60c) Personal' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Monday, July 22, 2002 at 11:56:09 AM.

>> I would suggest a little different approach.  Put all your spam
>> addresses in a 'spamers' AB group, then have your filter process
>> against that AB group.  That way you don't need to modify your
>> filter each time you want to add a new spamer.  All you would need
>> to do is highlight the msg and Ctrl-W to add the new spamer to the
>> AB Group and away you go...

JA> But then you cannot match on subjects.  Unless you combine both of the
JA> suggestions, and put address in an address book item, and subjects in
JA> the filter.

True, I missed that there were subjects in the filter... 

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Re: Move message store and executables?

[Tim Musson]

Hey Markus,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.62/Beta1)' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 8:21:17 AM.

>> Will probably try this weekend... and yes I will post my results.

MG> Well, did you try, did it work?
  ^   |
No :-/  --'   |
  |
See previous  -'

Sorry, I had a birthday party for my 6yo and a wedding for a cousin on
Saturday, then a 'dog' picnic all day Sunday.  By the time I got home,
it was wiped!

I am hoping to do it this week, because next week I am on vacation and
am *not* taking my ThinkPad with me (so say I each time, but still end
up taking it...  this time I *am* leaving it home! really!)

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Done - Re: Move message store and executables?

[Tim Musson]

Hey everyone interested,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Thursday, July 18, 2002 at 8:51:14 AM.

TM> I am looking to put TB executable files back in the default of
TM> c:\Program Files\The Bat! and move the default MAIL folder to e:\Mail.

TM> What is the best way to do this?

As suggested, I changed
,- [ Before ]
| [...CURRENT_USER\software\rit\The Bat!]
| "Working Directory"="D:\\The Bat!\\MAIL\\"
| "EXE path"="D:\\The Bat!\\thebat.exe"
`-

to
,- [ After ]
| [...CURRENT_USER\software\rit\The Bat!]
| "Working Directory"="E:\\MAIL\\"
| "EXE path"="C:\Program Files\\The Bat!\\thebat.exe"
`-

When I started TB, I needed to associate it as the default eMail
client again.

I had to open my AB's again. - nothing lost

SmartBat, Quick Templates, & Filters all worked as expected.


Analysis - this was *much* less painful &/or difficult than I
expected.

I still see a couple of reg entries pointing to the old folders, but
expect those will be changed when I upgrade to v1.61 in the next
couple of days.

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Re: IMAP limitations

[Tim Musson]

Hey Bernd,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Tuesday, July 23, 2002 at 5:35:57 AM.


tec>> What are The Bat!' IMAP4 capabilities? I've seen it mention that IMAP
tec>> isn't used beyond simply downloading the messages locally, is this
tec>> true? Is there no capability to store and manipulate folders or sent mail on the
tec>> server?

BG> AFAIK TB! only uses IMAP in the way it would use POP3, i.e. no
BG> server-side storage of mail. Messages filed outside the 'inbox' won't
BG> get synchronized with the IMAP server and thus can't be seen from a
BG> different IMAP client (such as Outlook). But then, I might have an
BG> ill-configured TB!?

That is correct, we are hoping v2 will have a better IMAP
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Re: Cool scripts and anti-spam

[Tim Musson]

Hey Jakob,

My MUA believes '(X-Mailer not set)' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 8:16:22 AM.

First, let me suggest you create a new message instead of just
replying and changing the subject line.  Esp on this list a lot of
users sort by Reference, so your msg shows up buried in an entirely
different thread (a lot of the users could be just ignoring this
thread...)

>> ,- [ Before ]
>> |
>> `-
JBG> How do you make this kind of quoting?

Look at [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
or do a search in the Archives for ,- [ %CURSOR ]

JBG> Are there any other cool scripts possible to obtain from some
JBG> kind of webpage?

JBG> What about anti-spam? Any good filters downloadable anywhere?

You can check the Archives, or the FAQ... (see footers)

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Re: Done - Re: Move message store and executables?

[Tim Musson]

Hey Markus,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.62/Beta1)' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 8:55:31 AM.

MG> Congratulations. Could this find its way into the FAQ, Marck?

After I upgrade to 1.61, I will write up something and send it on to
Marck.  Including anything I can associate with the reg change / file
moves...  (On vacation next week, so...)

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FAQ Submission: Re: Done - Re: Move message store and executables?

[Tim Musson]

Hey Marck,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.62/Beta1)' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Wednesday, July 24, 2002 at 3:06:55 PM.

MDP> Thanks Tim - that will help a lot!

 Here it is...


Question:
I have The Bat! installed and running fine, but want to move it to
another folder/disk.

For example, I have:
D:\The Bat!\ <--contains the executables
D:\The Bat!\MAIL\ <--is the default Account location

What I want is:
C:\Program Files\The Bat!\
E:\MAIL\

Answer:
Make a backup of both the Registry & your The Bat! folders!

,- [ Run this command line to save the RIT part of the Registry ]
| regedit /e TheBatRegBU.reg HKEY_CURRENT_USER\software\rit
`-

Rename the D:\The Bat!\ directory (this is your backup!)
Copy the MAIL directory to E:\
Copy everything *except* the MAIL directory to C:\Program Files\The Bat!

Edit two [...CURRENT_USER\software\rit\The Bat!] Registry entries
,- [ Before ]
| "Working Directory"="D:\\The Bat!\\MAIL\\"
| "EXE path"="D:\\The Bat!\\thebat.exe"
`-
,- [ After ]
| "Working Directory"="E:\\MAIL\\"
| "EXE path"="C:\Program Files\\The Bat!\\thebat.exe"
`-

When The Bat! is next started;
 You will need to associate it as the default eMail client again.
 You will have to open your Address Books again.

Note: I checked, and did not lose anything from SmartBat, Filters, or
Quick Templates.  Also, I had my Palm set up to sync eMail with The
Bat!, and it worked with no problmes!


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Re: FAQ Submission: Re: Done - Re: Move message store and executables?

[Tim Musson]

Hey Markus,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.62/Beta1)' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 4:55:41 AM.

>> regedit /e TheBatRegBU.reg HKEY_CURRENT_USER\software\rit

MG> Is this the same command under all flavors of Windows, I recall there
MG> were differences.

Good point,  My work was all done on W2k SP2.  Anyone have an answer?
Should be included in the FAQ if so...

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Re: another adress book question

[Tim Musson]

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DAC> Is there a way to change the order of the groups? I can't seem to
DAC> drag and drop or find a way to sort.

I don't know of a way, but if your spam group is 'spam', you can just
type s to get to it...

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Re: FAQ Submission: Re: Done - Re: Move message store and executables?

[Tim Musson]

Thanks Allie,

My MUA believes '(X-Mailer not set)' was used
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PP>> Should be the same ... '/e' is known to me since Win95 and still
PP>> present in W2K ... maybe XP differs? Somebody who can tell
PP>> something about XP and 'regedit /e'???

ACM> It's the same for XP and Win2k. The same command works across all
ACM> Win32 windows.

Will let it stand as written then.  No need to mention tests were done
on Win2k.

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Palm AB Sync - Question/Poll

[Tim Musson]

Palm & The Bat! users,

If you are interested in syncing your Palm.AB with The Bat!'s Address
Book, please join the ptbsC group at Yahoo so we can find out what
features, etc. are wanted/needed.  Some things will be in Poll format,
others just in question format on the list.

A new poll has been created for the
Palm - The Bat! Sync Comments (ptbsC) group:

Is there a need to be able to overwrite 
the Palm or The Bat! Address books 
using the new ptbs Conduit?  (The ptbs 
Conduit will default to a full Sync.) 

  o No 
  o Yes - Palm.AB --> TB.AB 
  o Yes - TB.AB --> Palm.AB 
  o Yes - I would like both options 


To vote, please visit the following web page:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/ptbsC/surveys?id=21571  

Note: Please do not reply to this message. Poll votes are 
not collected via email. To vote, you must go to the Yahoo! Groups 
web site listed above.

Thanks All!

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Re: Files Extensions

[Tim Musson]

Hey Adam,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.61) Personal' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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AR> Hi joeo,  On Thu, 25 Jul 2002, at 10:54:22 [GMT -0400] (15:54
AR> where I live) you wrote:

j>> Hi All,

j>> What are the following file extensions and why would I want them to be
j>> associated to the BAT?

j>> .VCF

AR> VCards - Electronic Business Cards

Info about vCards here 

j>> .EML
j>> .MSG

AR> Possible seperate emails saved off



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Re: Palm AB Sync - Question/Poll

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Hey Tim,

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Re: Scenario: is that possible?

[Tim Musson]

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My MUA believes 'SecureBat! (Malka)' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
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CGS>> I know, I always hope some guys from RitLabs are reading the list :)
CGS>> and my begging for a good IMAP Support.

BM> Hope and begging is good.

BM> Writing directly to them is better ;-)

...and submitting to the wish list at the Bug Reports: site (see
footers) is the best choice of all. That way it is tracked...

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Re: Filter to remove duplicate messages

[Tim Musson]

Hey Jonathan,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60c) Personal' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Thursday, July 25, 2002 at 5:11:40 PM.

AXC>>> I would like to remove duplicate messages, cross posting to
AXC>>> multiple mailing lists I am on, in an incoming filter. But I am
AXC>>> running out ideas.

>>   If no one comes up w a filter, you can always resort to
>>   the main menu: Folder -> "Kill Dupes in all Folders"

JA> That shouldn't work (I think) as the two emails will be different, ie,
JA> one will come in from one source, while the other from another... this
JA> would mean they aren't duplicate emails (duplicates being identical
JA> emails including headers, body etc).

Now, that is interesting. I thought dups were determined by the
references in the kludges. So if I put tbot on the To: line, I will
get 2 of this msg. Now, will kill dups kill one? Let's see...

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Re: synchronizing with Outlook

[Tim Musson]

Hey Alaeddin,

My MUA believes 'Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Monday, August 12, 2002 at 4:40:17 AM.

AM>   Can anyone tell me the best way to synchronize my addresses with
AM> my contacts in Outlook.

Sync is not easy, but you can grab your Outlook contacts and import to
TB.  Check the Archives.

AM> I use palm pilot and since I can not synch my Palm with TheBat I
AM> have to use outlook 2000. Please let me know any pointers you may
AM> have.

Wait for the completion of the ptbs (Palm - The Bat! Sync) conduit.
Then you can skip the Outlook part. 

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Sync AB to Palm (was Re: synchronizing with Outlook)

[Tim Musson]

Hey Alaeddin,

My MUA believes 'Microsoft Outlook IMO, Build 9.0.2416 (9.0.2911.0)' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Monday, August 12, 2002 at 7:54:38 AM.

AM> Do you know when the Palm Conduit comes out?

The above is an example of what Marck is talking about 

To answer, no, we don't have an exact time, but there is a list about
it. To Subscribe, [EMAIL PROTECTED] - it is low traffic
at this point. May be able to post a status there in the next couple
of weeks...

In addition to Marck's comment about triming and top posting...

,- [People on this list are much happier if you use a "Cut Mark"]
| This is a "special sequence that starts on a new line and consists of
| two dashes (minus signs) and a space followed by another new line.
| 
| 
| 
| This "cut mark" is recognized by many eMail programs and is used as a
| cut off point for signatures. That way, when someone replies to one of
| your messages, your signature (anything below the cut mark) is
| removed. Likewise, when you reply to a message from someone that
| includes cut mark, The Bat! will remove anything below the cut mark
| from the text you quote.
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Re: moving TB

[Tim Musson]

Hey Deborah,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60q) Educational' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Thursday, August 15, 2002 at 3:30:24 AM.

DW> I'm going to be moving TB to a different computer in the next few
DW> days, & would like simple, step-by-step instructions on what to do
DW> please :-)

Here is what I have done (NT to 2k, and 2k to 2k).

-export regestry
-zip (or whatever) my TB! dir (c:\Program Files\The Bat!)
& ...MAIL dir (d:\MAIL)
-expand the zip where I want them on the new PC, edit the .reg file
(with something like notepad, not wordpad) to change the drives and
paths if needed.
-now import the .reg file.

Start TB! with nothing lost...  It is the 'old' way, but has never
failed me yet.

DW> I have the install file that I originally downloaded, so I can use
DW> that to install. I want to move all my account details including
DW> filters, templates, etc, my preferences, all my saved emails etc.

You should not need any of that if you do what I outlined above.

DW> I'm thinking I may back up some of my older email onto CDs rather than
DW> put it *all* onto my nice, new, clean, hard drive :-) - what's the
DW> best way to go about that too?

Have not done that, I keep all my mail live...

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Re: Tagline

[Tim Musson]

Hey Allie,

My MUA believes '(X-Mailer not set)' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Saturday, August 17, 2002 at 2:00:36 PM.

E>> How do I set up all mail to contain the following as a tagline
E>> after my messages (as it appears here beneath my name)?

ACM> You'll have to include the text as part of your signature in all
ACM> your message templates. There is no centralized that you can add
ACM> text to be included in all messages, across accounts.

ACM> The closest you could get is to use only account templates and then
ACM> add it to the account templates. It will then be added to all
ACM> messages sent from that account.

I like creating a Quick Template for my sig, then referencing the QT
in my message templates.  That way if I want to change something I
only have to change the QT and the change shows everywhere...

%QInclude="gSig"<-- the line in my message templates that gets my
sig below...

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Re: Hot Syncing to Parked Messages

[Tim Musson]

Hey Joseph,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.61) Business' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Tuesday, August 27, 2002 at 1:06:48 PM.

JN> I am trying to figure out what causes me to get a runtime error on
JN> occasion when I sync my Palm with my TB! inbox. The latest idea is
JN> that a parked message in the inbox will result in a runtime error.
JN> Unparking the message allows a normal sync.

I just parked a msg in my Palm/Inbox and had no problems.

JN> Can anyone confirm?  Tim, any ideas?

Try patching your HotSync Mangaer to 4.0.1

BTW, I use USB to sync to my Palm v505 w/ Palm OS v4.0

JN> Win 98/AMD-K6 350 Hz; TB! 1.61; Palm m125 with Palm O/S 4.01 (4.1?);
JN> and Hot Sync Mgr 4.0

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Re: Running TB as an NT/ XP service

[Tim Musson]

Hey Mike,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.61) Personal' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Friday, August 30, 2002 at 4:30:18 PM.

MY> My first thought is that interactive programs are not designed to run
MY> unattended as a service.

Agreed, but...  I don't use TB! all the time, it does however check
mail all the time for me.

MY> Why do you think it's a good idea to run TB! unattached to a user
MY> session?

I can think of one off hand...  I would like to have my computer start
and start checking mail.  However, I don't want to have to have it log
in (yes, I know I can use TweekUI to do this, and then have a Screen
Saver with password kick in, but it would be better to not have to.)

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Re: Running TB as an NT/ XP service

[Tim Musson]

Hey Mike,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.61) Personal' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Friday, August 30, 2002 at 9:33:33 PM.

MY> You are explaining why you want to check your mail at all times.
MY> I'm asking why you think a standard interactive desktop
MY> application is a good candidate for conversion to a service.

Ah. I see. I agree, it is not.

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Re: No TBUDL mail for 24 hours.... ?

[Tim Musson]

Hey Carren,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.60q) Personal' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Wednesday, September 4, 2002 at 9:36:19 PM.

CS> -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1

CS> Is it just me? I have had no list mail for almost 24 hours now.
CS> Absolutely nothing, which is highly unusual to say the least.
CS> Is it a list problem or is it something floopy with Myrealbox ...
CS> anyone know?

I had the same problems with my MRB accounts, so went to the web site
when I first noticed the problem.  Always a good source of info...

,- [ Cut from www.MyRealBox.com ]
| MyRealBox News
| 
| Our SMTP server is currently under a spam attack.
| You will notice delays. [9/04/2002]
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Re: backup strategy

[Tim Musson]

Hey Joseph,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.62/Beta2) Business' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Friday, September 6, 2002 at 12:22:23 PM.

JN> The common folders, however, will stubbornly stay in the program
JN> directory.

Interesting, I don't see that on my system.  I have TB installed in
it's default of C:\Program Files\The Bat!.  But my e:\Mail is the
location of my MAIL dir - and that is where my common folders are.

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Re: question...

[Tim Musson]

Hey Deborah,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.61) Educational' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Thursday, September 19, 2002 at 6:29:13 AM.

DW>   If I were to log-in to "The Bat!" as the "local" user group then
DW>   I could send/receive e-mail to my office-based mail server using
DW>   the three accounts that reference our LAN SMTP/POP3 IP
DW>   address(es).

DW>   If I were to log-in to "The Bat!" as the "remote" user group then I
DW>   could send/receive e-mail to a dial-up server, as the mailboxes
DW>   within the "remote" group reference our ISP's SMTP/POP3 addresses.

DW>   Is my understanding correct?



DW>   I can create my desired functionality very easily in "Microsoft
DW> Outlook"
DW>   using "profiles".  I can also reach the same goal via "Eudora Pro"
DW>   by maintaining two differing "eudora.ini" files that I swap
DW>   (according to the "location" in which I currently reside) prior to
DW>   launching the "eudora.exe" application.

DW>   Maybe "The Bat!" has external settings files that I can also
DW>   manipulate in this way?

I am not sure this will work, but I belive the file that would need to
be 'swapped' is account.cfg in the MAIL\AccountName folder.  It is
worth a try.

Note account.cfg is not a plain ASCII file.

I seem to recall seeing a thread like this before, & IIRC when
creating the account the second time, you need to be careful. I think
it was mentioned that when you create the account the second time, it
cleared all the settings!  Probably best to *not* test this with a
live mail account. 


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Re: Palm Synch

[Tim Musson]

Hey Jon,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.61) UNREG / CD5BF9353B3B7091' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Saturday, September 28, 2002 at 4:06:19 PM.

JH> c operation started 09/28/02 18:26:18
JH> -- Mail
JH>- Failed while trying to log on to the Desktop Mail System.
JH>Please check your Palm Mail settings.
JH>Launch Mail Setup through the Windows
JH>Start menu on your desktop. Select Programs, Palm

JH> I have set the desktop sw to Fedora and selected the simple mapi
under the options>>applications.

JH> palm OS 3.2H  windows 98 and the latest bat (evaluation)
JH> Yes the bat is running when I try to synch.

Is TB your default MAPI mail client? What happens when you click a
MailTo: link on a web page? It should launch a new TB message from the
account you are trying to sync...

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Re: Problem Synching with Palm

[Tim Musson]

Hey Sudip,

My MUA believes 'The_Bat!' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Tuesday, October 1, 2002 at 6:35:34 AM.

SP> Hi Batpeople,

SP> I have two specific problems with managing e-mail between TB! and
SP> Palm. I'll state them in order of their importance.

SP> 1. I can send e-mail from Palm to TB's outbox without any problem but
SP>it's not working the other way around, i.e. I can't get mail from
SP>TB's inbox to Palm. When synching with an option to receive only
SP>Unread messages from TB!, the HotSync as well as the entire sync
SP>process freezes. However, as I mentioned, synching with Palm's
SP>HotSync option 'Send Only' works as it's supposed to. Any thoughts
SP>on why this is happening? And yes, I did mark a message unread in
SP>TB's inbox before synching. I haven't tested the synch with two
SP>other HotSync options: 'All' and 'Filter'

I have not tried the Unread option (just to make sure we are on the
same page, that is in the Mail app on the Palm - Menu \ Options \
HotSync Options... - yes?

I would suggest you try setting it to All and see what happens (less
for the conduit to 'think' about).

SP> 2. Is there any way to wrap mail messages in Palm?

Not that I know of.  I don't usually send long messages from my Palm,
just meeting notes, etc.

SP> So far, I've been opening them, once they're in TB's outbox, and
SP> doing Alt + L. Is it possible to automate this from within TB?

I would say Yes, that is something you should be able to automate.
Create a Quick template that modifies the message as you would like
(ie, change the sig too).

SP> Also, maybe a third party mail software for Palm is capable of
SP> this, but I have only tested Orion mail so far - It doesn't wrap.

I would say there is a good chance of finding something to do what you
want, but I have not looked as I found the Palm eMail app fits my
needs..

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Re: Problem Synching with Palm

[Tim Musson]

Hey Joseph,

My MUA believes 'The Bat! (v1.62/Beta2) Business' was used
to write [EMAIL PROTECTED]">mid:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
on Tuesday, October 1, 2002 at 11:14:38 AM.

JN> What "Palm eMail app" are you referring to?

That would be the one that is part of the PalmOS.  If you pick the
'home' silk screen button, it is listed as "Mail".

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