Re: [Texascavers] Salamanders Suffer Delayed Effects Of Common Herbicide

[Don Cooper]

The article first states atrazine is a herbicide then insecticide.  Which is
it?
Whether herbicide or insecticide I VERY much would like to know what brand
names or product name it's been used as.
-WaV

PS. Last weekend came and went without anyone's mention of the 18th year
passing of the infamous event near Prince William Sound in Alaska.  After
all these years you can find oil under shoreline rocks.  May your
Exxon/Mobile boycott continue...

On 3/27/07, Ron Rutherford  wrote:


Salamanders Suffer Delayed Effects Of Common Herbicide

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070323104654.htm

--
Ron Rutherford

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Re: [Texascavers] Salamanders Suffer Delayed Effects Of Common Herbicide

[Scott]

Yeah they need to ban the use of Atrazine.   Why is it that people need to 
see a kid with two heads before they agree somthing might be harmful..


Anyone ever hear why the street was full of dead birds in downtown Austin 
some months back?





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From: "Ron Rutherford" 

To: "CaveTex" 
Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 11:09 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Salamanders Suffer Delayed Effects Of Common 
Herbicide




Salamanders Suffer Delayed Effects Of Common Herbicide

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2007/03/070323104654.htm

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[Texascavers] new AAA batteries

[David Locklear]

AAA batteries are now readily available in the NiOx variety.

I saw them at CVS pharmacy.Supposedly they will last you
twice as long as an alkaline battery, but start out at 1.7 volt.

So if your headlamp uses AAA's, then you can give the NiOx a try.
Maybe on a long trip in Airmans this could come in handy.   You
could have a small lamp and maybe never have to change batteries.

The link below shows the AA version of the NiOx battery.

http://archives.imaginginfo.com/article/photos/1150997948131_b3.jpg


I wonder how their self-discharge rate is compared to the others.

Some claim that you can recharge them many times if you are careful
and re-charge them over a 24 hour period.

David Locklear

Re: [Texascavers] Looking for Daniel D- vertical practice photos

[Lex and Tammy]

I am trying to find Daniel (new to maverick) to get an email address to send 
photos to.   Please contact me off list.


Thanks

Tammy Cox 




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[metroplexcavers] Fwd: [Texascavers] Guano Gathering --- important details!

[Diana Tomchick]

Please read this if you plan to stop by the Guano Gathering after the  
February 3rd trip to Honey Creek Cave.

Diana

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Jim Kennedy" 
> Date: January 23, 2007 1:16:03 PM CST
> To: 
> Subject: [Texascavers] Guano Gathering --- important details!
>
> This year's Guano Gathering at BCI's Bracken Bat Cave will be held  
> Sunday 4 February. We'll start at 10:30 in the morning in order to  
> give those folks who live away from the Center of the Caving  
> Universe more of a chance to arrive. I suspect that if it goes much  
> like the previous years, we will be manning the bucket brigade for  
> a couple of hours, and then give everyone a chance to go into the  
> cave to poke around. We'll kick everyone out of the property by  
> 4:00 or so.
>
> The Annual Guano Gathering is now in it's 8th year, and usually  
> attracts about 50-60 cavers and their friends. There was a nice  
> little article in the January 2007 issue of Texas Parks and  
> Wildlife Magazine.  It is an event sponsored solely by myself as a  
> favor to my caver friends and others who may want their own bat  
> guano for their gardens, orchards, herbs, etc. Because I am an  
> employee of Bat Conservation International (BCI) and because the  
> cave is owned by BCI, everyone attending must sign a liability  
> waiver and follow certain rules.
>
> Here's what to do if you are interested. Show up at the cave NO  
> EARLIER than 10:00 and NO LATER than 11:00 on Sunday, February 4.  
> To get to the cave, turn off Interstate 35 on Ranch Road 3009,  
> which is also called Natural Bridge Caverns Road. Just before you  
> get to the big curve in 3009 at the entrance drive to Natural  
> Bridge Caverns, you will see a gate on the west side of the road  
> with a couple of orange traffic cones. Turn in there. There will be  
> a brass combination lock set to 2287 (which spells out BATS on a  
> keypad, in case you forget). Go through the gate, replacing the  
> lock exactly like you found it (so that any other lock on the chain  
> can still open the gate), and reset the lock to . Drive a  
> couple of hundred yards west, crossing a dry creekbed. When the  
> major (smooth) road veers to the right, stay to the left  
> (straight). There will be another gate in a high wildlife fence.   
> Open it, drive through, and close it behind you.  Continue down the  
> dirt road to a T near a windmill and stock tank. Turn right here.  
> Hopefully we will have some signs up at the two tricky spots.  
> Continue driving (about 2 miles total from 3009) on the ranch road  
> to the second cave sign. Park here outside the fence, look for Jim,  
> and sign the release.
>
> Bring five-gallon buckets if you have them. We'll line up down the  
> natural entrance to the cave and do a bucket brigade, a la Caverns  
> of Sonora Restoration. And bring something in which to take the  
> guano home. Trash cans with lids are ideal. Heavy-duty (repeat:  
> heavy-duty) trash bags are satisfactory, but less ideal than a  
> rigid container. Big Rubbermaid tubs with lids work OK.  Actually,  
> any bucket with a tight-fitting lid works OK.  Basically, our motto  
> is that if you bring it, we will fill it. Folks have taken home  
> trailers full of guano, and Walt Olenick usually fills the bed of  
> his truck. Keep in mind that the guano is dry and powdery, so it  
> needs to be enclosed in something or it will filter out or blow all  
> over on your way home. Also keep in mind that this guano, while  
> old, still smells like guano. You don't want it in the backseat of  
> your car. I also strongly recommend a complete change of clothes,  
> including shoes, for everyone. And a trash bag for the stinky,  
> dirty clothes.  We'll keep up the bucket brigade until all surface  
> containers are filled, then continue passing up the full buckets  
> until they are filled as well. You might also want to bring a  
> gallon of water, old towels, and Wet Wipes to clean up with  
> afterwards. Often a bunch of us head to Caparelli's for dinner  
> (Italian) on our way home.  But you may want a snack or light lunch  
> and some drinks to get you through the day.
>
> There will only be 2 or 3 people at the head of the line filling  
> buckets. I'll decide who that will be that day. I only want to see  
> FIVE-GALLON plastic buckets in the Line.  No square kitty-litter  
> buckets, no 3-gallon detergent buckets, just 5-gallon buckets.  It  
> makes it so-o-o-o much easier to pass buckets back down the line  
> when we can stack them.  We'll need 2 or 3 people at the tail of  
> the line dumping guano into containers and sending empty buckets  
> back down the line. Everyone else will be spaced evenly down the  
> line. No shovels or other tools are needed, so leave them all at  
> home. You may want gloves and a headlight, particularly if you are  
> towards the digging end of the line or going in the cave later.
>
> Now for the standard disclaimer: Thi

RE: [Texascavers] RE: [Cowtown] Site available for use

[Rick]

That's fine, I've already got a group of my cave diver buddies using it for
us to organize our scuba trips so nothing is wasted, I figured I would
extend it for other uses if people wanted to use it, my small group of
divers won't push the limits of the site by any means so I figured if people
want it, it's there.

-Original Message-
From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] 
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:57 PM
To: Rick
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: [Cowtown] Site available for use

Rick, your effort is great, I know sites like these take up a lot of 
time, I've done my fair share of them.  Also, please don't take this the 
wrong way, I'm intending it to be constructive criticism.

The Texas caving community already has a state wide website/forums that 
a lot of cavetex/texascavers.com members are on.  
http://www.texascaving.com/

Duplicating efforts will only split the community, and I don't think 
anyone wants that to happen.

I'll be happy to discuss this further if you want.

Charles

Rick wrote:
> Sounds pretty nice, if people want to use the site then the script could
be
> setup for it.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] 
> Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 9:13 PM
> To: memb...@cowtowngrotto.org
> Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Cowtown] Site available for use
>
> Nice... I actually know a guy that is programming a php script to take a 
> mailing list and input it into forums, and also doing the reverse. Once 
> he's finished and gets the bugs worked out (its currently in beta 
> software now), I had planned on trying it out for our mailing lists that 
> I host. I know some like mailing lists, and others prefer forums, and 
> this would solve everything, and keep things synchronized.
>
>   

[Texascavers] RE: [Cowtown] Site available for use

[Rick]

For the list/forum combination check this out
http://www.programurl.com/echoforum-phpbb-laci.htm I haven't used it but it
looks interesting.

As far as developing a section for diving on texacaving.com I'm not much of
a developer, I purchased the software that is running the txcavers.com
board, my skills are in building networks and high end server environments,
however I could refit my page to target technical diving (split from local
diving boards, I requested a special forum on the site but was denied, hence
a large motivator to start one) as I'm getting contacted on not just cave
related activates but also deep technical diving in the TX area, then I
could push all cave related traffic to the texascaving.com board, in return
I could do some posting on the texascaving.com board regarding diving to try
to bridge the two areas, generate traffic, and possibly raise interest or be
of some resource to people with interests in the cave diving/technical
diving area, or "spring diving" as RD calls it.

Anyway I'll get more on making changes after work this evening, I'd be
willing to also park txcaves.com and txcavers.com on your site if you wanted
them after I refit the site.

-Original Message-
From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Thursday, January 25, 2007 11:49 PM
To: Rick
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: [Cowtown] Site available for use

Rick, perhaps you could join forces with texascaving.com, develop a
diving section there, I know there are lots of cavers in the area that
are also divers.  You have a plethora of information on your site, and
I'm sure they would welcome the addition of more information.

Good luck
Charles

Rick wrote:
> That's fine, I've already got a group of my cave diver buddies using it
for
> us to organize our scuba trips so nothing is wasted, I figured I would
> extend it for other uses if people wanted to use it, my small group of
> divers won't push the limits of the site by any means so I figured if
people
> want it, it's there.
>  

Re: [Texascavers] admin email and list bounces

[RD Milhollin]

Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wrote:
For those of you who post to the list, you have probably been seeing 
some weird admin or bounce messages.  These are safe to ignore and 
delete.  Please do so with my apologies.  The problem is hopefully 
resolved and no one will get anymore of these.  If you do after a day 
or so, please forward one to me and let me know about it.


Again, my apologies for it, but hopefully I'll get my act together and 
won't let it happen again.


Charles
Cavetex email list maintainer and server hobbyist :)

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Thanks for keeping this working.

RD

[Mav-list] [Fwd: [Texascavers] Guano Gathering reminder and update]

[RD Milhollin]

Again, If you are interested in joining in for reasonably comfortable 
caving Saturday contact be ASAP and I will let you know what we have 
planned.


Attachment is Jim Kennedy's last minute reminder from Texascavers list.
--- Begin Message ---
Guanophiles,

Don't forget that the annual Guano Gathering is this Sunday.  We'll be
meeting at Bracken Bat Cave at 10:30 am in order to give out out-of-town
Gatherers a chance to drive in.  There are 2 locked gates on the way in.
I've been talking to Fran and he says that we will unlock the locks and
just have a carabiner to close the chain on the gates.  Please close the
gates behind you as you come in and make sure the chains are fastened
again with the carabiner.  We'll be setting up the bucket brigade and
hauling guano as soon as everybody gets there.  Afterwards we will have
a brief cedar (juniper) cutting session.  Bring loppers or a chain saw
if you have them.  There will also be an opportunity for people to load
and haul cedar (juniper) mulch.  I'll have a multi-tined pitchfork and
flat shovel, but you might want to bring your own mulch-scooping
implement if you prefer.  Don't forget some kind of light lunch and
drinks, and a complete change of clothes, including shoes (and a trash
bag in which to put your stinky, guano-laden clothes).  You'll also
probably want some kind of a headlight and helmet if you plan to go into
the cave with us after the guano-hauling stops, but you'll not need any
other caving gear in this easy 400-foot long cave.  When everything
finally settles down, say about 3 or 4-ish, those of us interested will
troop over to Caparelli's for the traditional Italian post-guano group
meal.  Bring friends that are interested, even if they are not cavers,
but bring children only if they can take their place in the line and
pass buckets of guano up the hill.  Don't bring dogs at all, as they are
not permitted on the Bracken Bat Cave Preserve.

If you need more details let me know and I will forward the email I sent
out about a week or so ago.  Let's hope the weather holds and that 60 or
70 people show up on Sunday.  And remember, bring sturdy containers with
lids for the guano (trash bags usually don't work), and 5-gallon buckets
ONLY for the Bucket Brigade.

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RE: [Texascavers] Step Sister Ellie

[Fritz Holt]

Ah, the net jester. F

-Original Message-
From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] 
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 2:56 PM
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Step Sister Ellie

Folks, don't sweat posting email to our beloved Cavetex if you are 
worried about saving the environment.  Our server is fueled many 
hamsters that only eat pure, natural corn grown here in Texas.  They are

very fit and healthy, and produce clean energy for our postings :)

The diesel generator I have attached for backup power purposes isn't 
quite so clean, but the power has been stable lately, knock on wood!

Of course, this was meant in jest, please, no one take my ramblings 
seriously :)
Charles

ca...@caver.net wrote:
> Fritz,
>I wonder how much energy has been wasted on the Internet by this 
> energy coal/wind turbine/natural gas burning email thread?
>
> How much energy does an email use?
> Electrons per million miles?
>
>
> Bill

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RE: [Texascavers] Step Sister Forum - Wind Generators - Political Rally's, etc.

[Butch Fralia]

Some people prefer forums, others like mailing lists.  For those of you 
who want to browse our list mail by thread in a web page, there is 
always the handy archives: http://texascavers.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm.cgi 
conveniently linked from http://texascavers.com



I think I've answered my own question but since you brought this subject up,
can an e-mail harvesting spider get to the list to harvest e-mail addresses.
Since you don't have to log into anything to get to the archives, it could
be spidered.  Fritz Holt just sent me an e-mail about getting a lot of spam
and wondered if it was because he was on the list.  I told him he probably
registered for something somewhere that his e-mail address was sold to a
spam list.

I learned from the Beach-Comber BBS there's a command you can give an Apache
Server that will show all the list servers and list addresses.  Whatever it
is they've turned it off because so many lists have been getting spammed.

Butch


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RE: [Texascavers] Step Sister Forum - Wind Generators - Political Rally's, etc.

[Butch Fralia]

SPAM is definitely a way of life!  I helped set up a Win2003 network in
Singapore (they got the servers running, I installed and set up software
over the internet).  They were getting hit by spammers so bad that it was
shutting down the hardware firewall.  They had to replace the firewall with
a bigger unit to handle the additional traffic and still let their regular
e-mail come through.

There are some including me that think it has more to do with crippling the
internet than anything else.  At least the incident in Singapore indicates
it's not just the USA that's getting hit.

Butch




-Original Message-
From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] 
Sent: Monday, February 12, 2007 8:03 PM
To: Butch Fralia
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Step Sister Forum - Wind Generators - Political
Rally's, etc.


It's possible, the archiving software I use does its best to strip out 
email addresses from the archives:  
http://texascavers.com/cgi-bin/ezmlm.cgi?mss:2895:200702

But when people reply, sometimes their email program quotes the real 
address and the software goofs on it and displays it.

It's not perfect, but it's the best that I have been able to do.  Spam 
is a way of life these days, there are so many different ways to get 
people's email addresses.  My mail logs on the server show dictionary 
attacks against every one of my domains, looking for valid email boxes 
that don't bounce.

If enough people asked me to take the archives down or password protect 
them, then I would, I just haven't taken the time to setup a better system.

Butch Fralia wrote:
> I think I've answered my own question but since you brought this subject
up,
> can an e-mail harvesting spider get to the list to harvest e-mail
addresses.
> Since you don't have to log into anything to get to the archives, it could
> be spidered.  Fritz Holt just sent me an e-mail about getting a lot of
spam
> and wondered if it was because he was on the list.  I told him he probably
> registered for something somewhere that his e-mail address was sold to a
> spam list.
>
> I learned from the Beach-Comber BBS there's a command you can give an
Apache
> Server that will show all the list servers and list addresses.  Whatever
it
> is they've turned it off because so many lists have been getting spammed.
>
> Butch
>
>
>   

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Re: [Texascavers] Cueva La Boca - Monterrey, Mexico, Part 1

[Don Cooper]

None of the postings I send to texascavers comes back to me.  That's ok,
they are in my send box.  Is that what you mean?
-Don C.

On 3/21/07, wo...@justfamily.org  wrote:


David, I don't post from my gmail account, but I do know that some email
clients won't post the email that you just sent.  It aggravates me that
Lotus Notes does this by default, and I'm sure there are others.

Any other gmail users seeing this problem?

Charles

> My e-mail is not receiving my post to Cavetex, but I seem to be getting
> everybody elses?
>
> This is a follow-up to my post Sunday night concerning Cueva La Boca.
>
> How long has it been since you have been to Cueva La Boca?
>
> There is a new chain-link fence, running straight up the mountain
> to the eastern wall of the cave entrance, and then across the cave
> entrance. It looks like the poles have been there for a few months,
> but the fence looks brand new.
>
> They are building a much stronger fence across the entrance. 4"
square
> post about 8 feet high and angled outward another foot, and have been
> installed
> in the entrance about 15 feet apart.   They are all set in cement.
>
> I assume that this is an effort to keep people out, and not part of some
> sort
> of eco-tourism plan.
>
> About 1,000 people hiked up to the entrance on Sunday.Imagine that!
> My brother in law, a "regiomontano," called it the "fila india"  I
> wouldn't
> call them spelunkers. None of them had flashlights. Many were in
> sandals and some barefooted. The main goal seems to be "how fast
> you can get up and down."  The problem was everybody was elbowing
> one another to get up.   There was a huge bottleneck, at a place I
> call
> "the Hillary Step."  Here you have 2 trespassing choices.  You
can
> crawl under the fence or you can follow the fence up the hill, squeezing
> your body between the fence and the cave wall.  Either route sucks,
> especially with a toddler.
>
> An eco-tourist consultant was conducting a survey up at the
> cave. It was a 2 page questionaire, with one of the questions being
> do you know what "histo" is?  The guy doing the survey was wearing
> an old shirt that read "Amigos de la Naturaleza."
>
> Many of the males hiking to the cave where shirtless covered in tattoes
> and carrying a Tecate beer can. However, there was no litter on the
> trail or in the cave - just lots of spray-painted murals, one being some
> sort of clowns face about 12 feet tall. Most of the girls were young
> and dressed in casual clothes and with their boyfriends.But there
> were many families making the pilgramage.
>
> Down in the canyon was chaos. Thousands of cars driving thru the
> canyon - bumper to bumper. There are about a dozen cheap roadside
food
> stands
> set up in front of the cave, mostly selling roasted corn - "elotes."
>
> I hadn't been to the cave in about 16 years, but went a few times back
in
> the 80's.
> I didn't go far enough into the cave to report anything, but the
entrance
> floor
> seems to be greatly altered due to mining. I am pretty sure you
could
> drive
> a small ATV to the end of the twilight zone if you could haul one up
> there.
> Because of all the rocks and dirt piled up just inside the entrance it
is
> difficult
> to get a photo like the ones on the AMCS brochures.
>
> Another change was the road exit from the Inter-American Highway.
You
> have
> to go under the highway and drive back north along a huge traffic jam
and
> road-side
> stands and then exit right goint to the town of Caderyet.It is total
> chaos.
>
> By the way, the locals refer to the dam as "La Cortina." I have
always
> asked
> people where the "presa" was and they have always seemed confused, even
> though the roadside sign clearly says "La Presa."
>
> Personally, I think the fence needs to be located further back in the
> cave.However,
> this looks like it was not a choice, due to all the construction rubble.
>
> I believe if you could remove all the breakdown and bat guano, that you
> would have
> a very interesting cave passage.
>
> David Locklear
>



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RE: [Texascavers] new LED light from Siemens 1000 Lumens.

[mark . alman]

Thanks, Charles!

I like your ideas and will try to incorporate some of them into the next
issue.

I have already "borrowed" some of the articles from newsletters I
receive.


Take it easy!

Mark

 

-Original Message-
From: wo...@justfamily.org [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] 
Sent: Thursday, March 22, 2007 12:45 AM
To: Alman, Mark @ IRP
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] new LED light from Siemens 1000 Lumens.

Mark, I'm not a techie when it comes to caving gear, I'm still too new I
guess.

However, a couple of suggestions for content for your excellent
publication:  You may already do this, but do you get most/all of the
Texas area grotto newsletters to gather their best content?  If each
grotto sends you the electronic version of their newsletter each month,
you could pull the best articles and post them for all Texas cavers.

My second suggestion is our little mailing list here, take your most
memorable posts from Cavetex/Texascavers and create a section call the
Cavetex.  Another suggestion is to put the text onto a background that
looks like paper, maybe even change the font to one that looks like
handwriting so that it looks like it was a letter to the editor.  I
dunno, just food for thought, something to mix things up and give you
content.

Good luck
Charles

> All,
>
> we seem to have a lot of techies here and I was wondering if one of 
> y'all would be interested in doing a column in The TEXAS CAVER.
>
> It could be on anything from helmets and packs to lights to
techniques.
>
> Contact me offline, if interested.
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Mark Alman
> Editor - The TC
>

[metroplexcavers] Fwd: [Texascavers] Bracken Karst Survey project

[Diana Tomchick]

Begin forwarded message:

> From: "Fran Hutchins" 
> Date: October 24, 2006 11:21:48 PM CDT
> To: 
> Subject: [Texascavers]  Bracken Karst Survey project
>
> Bat Conservation International will be conducting a resource & karst 
> survey at the Bracken Bat  Cave property. The project will involve a 
> grid search of designated areas to identify natural resources such as 
> Old Oak & Cedar groves, sinkholes and caves.
>
>  
> Survey dates: Saturday November 4th and Saturday December 9th.
>  
> Survey will begin at 8:30 am and search until 2 pm. Training will be 
> provided on site.
>  
> Property is located on Hwy 3009 (Natural Bridge Caverns Road) near 
> Garden Ridge, Texas
>  
> Directions: >From I35 take exit 175 (Hwy 3009) west 7 miles (if you 
> get to NBC turn around) Entrance gate will be marked with orange 
> traffic cones on south side of road. Gate will be latch shut, please 
> shut gate behind you, follow gravel road 1 mile to green game fence, 
> gate will be latch shut, please shut gate behind you. Follow the signs 
> to the Volunteer parking area. Watch out for loose livestock.
>  
> What to bring: You will be walking thru tall grass and thick cedar 
> breaks. Sturdy shoes, long pants, long sleeve shirt, gloves and hat. 
> Light pack to carry water and snacks. Bring your GPS & Digital 
> camera only if you know how to use them. Bring plenty of water, 
> snacks, brown bag lunch, and sunscreen.
>  
> Contact info:  Fran Hutchins fhutch...@batcon.org 512-848-9404
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Re: [Texascavers] 6 watt LED flashlight - part one

[Charles Goldsmith]

David, did the Sears light have any type of brand name on it, I didn't see
anything on their website like you are describing.  I'd like to find some
more information about it and possibly some more reviews.

Thanks
Charles

On 3/21/07, David Locklear  wrote:


You probably guessed that I was going to get the 6 watt flashlight at
Sears.

This is a great flashlight.  It is well constructed and puts out more
light than my 4 watt flashlight - the Inova T4.

http://www.flashlightreviews.com/reviews/inova_t4.htm

This would be a great flashlight to take on a caving trip where you
want to shine your light up at some high domes.Precipicio would
be a good place to use it.

It is water-resistant, but probably is not dunkable.  The package
doesn't
say.

It does not have a lens collator or diffuser, so it is more of a spot
light.

I will compare it to my brightest and best flashlight the "Black
Ice Hero,"
and give a follow up on that.

http://www.outdoorsuperstore.com/product.asp?prod=832267


The 6 watt flashlight at Sears is one of the best Chinese products I have
seen.

Retails for $ 43.

David Locklear

RE: [Texascavers] Administrative update

[Rick Corbell]

Charles,
Thanks for all your work on behalf of keeping us cavers connected.  I have profound respect for you folks who have charged into the inner workings of the web.  I have just started an online HTML course.  This week's first lesson is really scary.  I'll be interested in checking what I can learn from the source code on cavetex and maybe help Randy Baker with our Bexar Grotto site.
Where did you learn html??
Rick Corbell




From:  Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith To:  texascavers@texascavers.comSubject:  [Texascavers] Administrative updateDate:  Wed, 10 Jan 2007 21:53:41 -0600>Just a small update from the list-owner around here.  2006 was a >very good and successful year for Texascavers.com and our mailing >list.  Things are stable, everyone is having a good time and no >major problems around here.>>A few months ago I was browsing around some old email and found my >very first email from the original cavetex.net mailing list, our >previous home of this wonderful mailing list.  It got me to thinking >and I went to see if the domain was available, and low and behold, >cavetex.net was 
unowned.  I snatched up quickly, then put it in my >notes of things to do.  Well, I totally forgot about it, lost my >notes, dog ate them, you know the story.  Anyways, it struck me >tonight to go looking for that domain, and realized I already owned >the rights to it :)>>Anyways, long story made short, http://cavetex.net is alive, it >points to a quick and dirty webpage on http://texascavers.com that >gives a description and why it's there.  Nothing special, just >thought I would let everyone know that our old home lives.  Any old >emails sent to that domain will get forwarded to the new one.>>This is just in case someone has a really old bookmark and tries to >find the new list.  Something that should have been done much >sooner, 
but that's the life of a hobbyist in the wide world of the >interweb :)>>Now, back to your regularly scheduled chitchat about caving, have a >great year!>Charles>>>->Visit our website: http://texascavers.com>To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com>For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com> Fixing up the home? Live Search can help 

Re: [Texascavers] Administrative update

[speleosteele]

Charles,

Thank you very much for taking care of this chore.  

Bill 

-- Original message -- 
From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith  

> Just a small update from the list-owner around here. 2006 was a very 
> good and successful year for Texascavers.com and our mailing list. 
> Things are stable, everyone is having a good time and no major problems 
> around here. 
> 
> A few months ago I was browsing around some old email and found my very 
> first email from the original cavetex.net mailing list, our previous 
> home of this wonderful mailing list. It got me to thinking and I went 
> to see if the domain was available, and low and behold, cavetex.net was 
> unowned. I snatched up quickly, then put it in my notes of things to 
> do. Well, I totally forgot about it, lost my notes, dog ate them, you 
> know the story. Anyways, it struck me tonight to go looking for that 
> domain, and realized I already owned the rights to it :) 
> 
> Anyways, long story made short, http://cavetex.net is alive, it points 
> to a quick and dirty webpage on http://texascavers.com that gives a 
> description and why it's there. Nothing special, just thought I would 
> let everyone know that our old home lives. Any old emails sent to that 
> domain will get forwarded to the new one. 
> 
> This is just in case someone has a really old bookmark and tries to find 
> the new list. Something that should have been done much sooner, but 
> that's the life of a hobbyist in the wide world of the interweb :) 
> 
> Now, back to your regularly scheduled chitchat about caving, have a 
> great year! 
> Charles 
> 
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RE: [Texascavers] Administrative update

[Johnson, Russ]

 Charles,
I think this is very cool news.  I thought you might enjoy the post
below from the previous century, when, as I vaguely recall, flaming
arguments and mass unsubscribing roughly coincided with the moving the
cavetex email server.  And when, apparently, I was in the mood to wax
poetic.

Take care,
Russ K. Johnson
1207 Ford St.
Llano, TX 78643


-Original Message-
From: Johnson, Russ [mailto:johns...@mail.rfweston.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, December 22, 1999 2:39 PM
To: cave...@mailing-list.net
Subject: CaveTex: Eulogy

Some will say that Cavetex is better off now.
  
"We needed only accept Cavetex and we would be served.  It was out there
for us.  For each of us." -- Texas Caver

Cavetex suffered a brutal bought with self destructivism several weeks
ago.  Self doubt and noisy confidence took up arms, heaping insult upon
injury.  Everyone could see.  Everyone knew.  By Cavetex' own nature,
our friend did not hide the intensifying conflict.   This must certainly
have put the caretakers of our soon forgotten patron on alert.  And to
be sure they took steps to stop the hemorrhaging.  But our precious
friend never did recover, choosing instead to die nobly.  

It is as painful as it is plain, to those who knew and loved Cavetex,
that too much was lost.  In the silent vacuum of the calm after the
storm, our companion had no choice but to withdraw...there was nothing
left to show, nothing more to share.  Who in our community can say that
they do not notice; the once fertile fields of discussion now lay
barren.  The cure worse than the disease...Cavetex knew this.  And
rather than be subject to such treatment from those it lived to serve,
Cavetex has chosen not to live.

And it will be our loss.  We will all miss Cavetex and reminisce about
the long gone days when we all were part of the "Golden Age of Cavetex."
We will delude ourselves into believing that it was not our fault.  We
will inevitably forget our shame.  

Cavetex would not want us to mourn.  Not having such a collection of
eccentrics to deal with will be a peaceful and welcome change I'm sure.
I'll bet Cavetex sensed the fast approaching rapture, and faithfully
laid down everything, I say to you, acquiesced to the pulling of the
plug, for our sake...but who am I to eulogize...

And be forewarned...my fellow cavers and friends, I submit that any
reinvention or supposed reincarnation of the old is not the same.
Cavetex is dead.  A new server should be called by another name.
Perhaps "comfortless substitute" is appropriate, or maybe "Empty
Holetex."  But I condemn any attempt to name an imposter "Cavetex" as
tasteless at best, and at worst...sacrilegious.

 
Russ Johnson
UT Grotto Caver, amateur satirist, and future evangelical magnate
NSS43751


-Original Message-
From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] 
Sent: Wednesday, January 10, 2007 9:54 PM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Administrative update

Just a small update from the list-owner around here.  2006 was a very
good and successful year for Texascavers.com and our mailing list.  
Things are stable, everyone is having a good time and no major problems
around here.

A few months ago I was browsing around some old email and found my very
first email from the original cavetex.net mailing list, our previous
home of this wonderful mailing list.  It got me to thinking and I went
to see if the domain was available, and low and behold, cavetex.net was
unowned.  I snatched up quickly, then put it in my notes of things to
do.  Well, I totally forgot about it, lost my notes, dog ate them, you
know the story.  Anyways, it struck me tonight to go looking for that
domain, and realized I already owned the rights to it :)

Anyways, long story made short, http://cavetex.net is alive, it points
to a quick and dirty webpage on http://texascavers.com that gives a
description and why it's there.  Nothing special, just thought I would
let everyone know that our old home lives.  Any old emails sent to that
domain will get forwarded to the new one.

This is just in case someone has a really old bookmark and tries to find
the new list.  Something that should have been done much sooner, but
that's the life of a hobbyist in the wide world of the interweb :)

Now, back to your regularly scheduled chitchat about caving, have a
great year!
Charles


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Re: [Texascavers] CHANGE of email address

[Stephen Fleming]

Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wrote:
Stephen, just to clarify, are you asking me to update your address in 
the database, 


I hadn't thought of that. Yes, please update. Thanks.

RE: [Fwd: Re: [Texascavers] Any sugestions for a climbing treadmill]

[Butch Fralia]

Charles,

I've probably got one somewhere but couldn't even guess where.  I'd suggest
you check with Diana, she has the library right now and it might even be
neatly filed.  Probably get it at the next grotto meeting.

I've copied her in case you don't have her e-mail handy.

Butch


-Original Message-
From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] 
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 5:18 PM
To: Fralia, Butch
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Texascavers] Any sugestions for a climbing treadmill]


Butch, do you happen to have a copy of this issue that I could borrow? 
I was going to buy one from the website, but I haven't had an answer to 
the email yet.  Not sure if I want to tackle building a treadmill, but I 
wanted to look into it.

Thanks!

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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Any sugestions for a climbing treadmill
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:05:53 -0500
From: J. LaRue Bills 
To: shannon summers ,

References: 

Shannon,
Texas Caver July/August 2000 shows/explains a treadmill system that works
with a long rope and no spicing. I've been very happy with how it works.
Jacqui

- Original Message -
From: "shannon summers" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 5:36 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Any sugestions for a climbing treadmill


> Not having any luck splicing rope together.  Any suggestions would be 
> appreciated.
>
> Shannon
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RE: [Fwd: Re: [Texascavers] Any sugestions for a climbing treadmill]

[Butch Fralia]

That'd make a good argument for copies of the caver being on the TSA website
wouldn't it.  

Butch


-Original Message-
From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] 
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 5:18 PM
To: Fralia, Butch
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Texascavers] Any sugestions for a climbing treadmill]


Butch, do you happen to have a copy of this issue that I could borrow? 
I was going to buy one from the website, but I haven't had an answer to 
the email yet.  Not sure if I want to tackle building a treadmill, but I 
wanted to look into it.

Thanks!

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Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Any sugestions for a climbing treadmill
List-Post: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:05:53 -0500
From: J. LaRue Bills 
To: shannon summers ,

References: 

Shannon,
Texas Caver July/August 2000 shows/explains a treadmill system that works
with a long rope and no spicing. I've been very happy with how it works.
Jacqui

- Original Message -
From: "shannon summers" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 5:36 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Any sugestions for a climbing treadmill


> Not having any luck splicing rope together.  Any suggestions would be 
> appreciated.
>
> Shannon
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Re: [Fwd: Re: [Texascavers] Any sugestions for a climbing treadmill]

[Diana Tomchick]

Hi,

Attached is the desired info. Three years ago I asked the same question 
on Cave Tex and Jacqui Bills sent me these documents. I haven't tried 
the system but intend to do it someday. Maybe I'll find the time before 
I'm too old,


Diana




Treadmill Fig.doc
Description: application/applefile


Treadmill Fig.doc
Description: MS-Word document


Treadmill.rtf
Description: RTF file


On Jul 6, 2006, at 5:26 PM, Butch Fralia wrote:


Charles,

I've probably got one somewhere but couldn't even guess where.  I'd 
suggest
you check with Diana, she has the library right now and it might even 
be

neatly filed.  Probably get it at the next grotto meeting.

I've copied her in case you don't have her e-mail handy.

Butch


-Original Message-
From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Thursday, July 06, 2006 5:18 PM
To: Fralia, Butch
Subject: [Fwd: Re: [Texascavers] Any sugestions for a climbing 
treadmill]



Butch, do you happen to have a copy of this issue that I could borrow?
I was going to buy one from the website, but I haven't had an answer to
the email yet.  Not sure if I want to tackle building a treadmill, but 
I

wanted to look into it.

Thanks!

 Original Message 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Any sugestions for a climbing treadmill
Date: Tue, 20 Jun 2006 09:05:53 -0500
From: J. LaRue Bills 
To: shannon summers ,

References: 

Shannon,
Texas Caver July/August 2000 shows/explains a treadmill system that 
works
with a long rope and no spicing. I've been very happy with how it 
works.

Jacqui

- Original Message -
From: "shannon summers" 
To: 
Sent: Monday, June 19, 2006 5:36 AM
Subject: [Texascavers] Any sugestions for a climbing treadmill



Not having any luck splicing rope together.  Any suggestions would be
appreciated.

Shannon

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Re: [Texascavers] TSA Job Opening!

[John P Brooks]

Charles,
   
  That would be great! Nope...no one has volunteered for this...and Kara 
Dittmar and Logan McNatt has been good natured and has just continued to do it. 
Even though he wants to step aside.
  I will find out how we can get you plugged into taking this over.
  Are you in Austin ?
   
  John

Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith  wrote:
  John, if no one else has volunteered for this, I'll take it in hand. 
I've been trying to nudge my wife into volunteering for it, this way she 
won't have a choice :)

Charles

Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote:
> Not sure how well known this is, but, FWIW, I thought I would put a 
> blurb here for a worthy candidate:
> 
> *__* 
> _*Store Keeper*_
> 
> *Description: Someone who will take care of the TSA store items 
> including books, patches, t-shirts and other items as they come 
> available. The responsibilities will include storing the inventory, 
> hauling it to conventions and other TSA events then selling items once 
> there.. The position will involve handling money received from sales 
> and turning it over to the TSA Treasurer when the weekend is complete. 
> Additional responsibilities will include responding to and shipping 
> orders from the online store as they come in.*
> 
> *Requirements: The applicant must be honest, responsible and egoless to 
> hold this thankless position. The applicant will be expected to pass on 
> family events, trips to Mexico or other wonderful places to have the 
> store items on-site when a TSA Event is scheduled.*
> 
> *Benefits: experience and a TSA e-mail address to use for store 
> correspondence. Being able to say you did a good thing when the 
> convention is over. Get your picture and contact information listed on 
> the Officers/Contacts page.*
> 
> With TCR coming up, it would be nice to get this position filled.
> 
> Contact John Brooks at chair...@cavetexas.org 
> or jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net 
> , if interested.
> 
> 
> 
> Later,
> 
> 
> 
> Mark Alman
> 

Re: [Texascavers] TSA Job Opening!

[John P Brooks]

well now... I don't know...The TSA store inventory is stored in Logans garage 
and at the TSS office. We have a storage room. So I don't know how the 
logistics of it would work...but if you want to take this on...I am sure we can 
figure out a solution !
  What do you think ?

Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith  wrote:
  Sorry, am in Fort Worth, but will that be a problem? I do plan on 
attending TCR, this will just ensure that we're there :)

John P Brooks wrote:
> Charles,
> 
> That would be great! Nope...no one has volunteered for this...and Kara 
> Dittmar and Logan McNatt has been good natured and has just continued to 
> do it. Even though he wants to step aside.
> I will find out how we can get you plugged into taking this over.
> Are you in Austin ?
> 
> John
> 
> */Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith /* wrote:
> 
> John, if no one else has volunteered for this, I'll take it in hand.
> I've been trying to nudge my wife into volunteering for it, this way
> she
> won't have a choice :)
> 
> Charles
> 
> Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote:
> > Not sure how well known this is, but, FWIW, I thought I would put a
> > blurb here for a worthy candidate:
> >
> > *__*
> > _*Store Keeper*_
> >
> > *Description: Someone who will take care of the TSA store items
> > including books, patches, t-shirts and other items as they come
> > available. The responsibilities will include storing the inventory,
> > hauling it to conventions and other TSA events then selling items
> once
> > there.. The position will involve handling money received from sales
> > and turning it over to the TSA Treasurer when the weekend is
> complete.
> > Additional responsibilities will include responding to and shipping
> > orders from the online store as they come in.*
> >
> > *Requirements: The applicant must be honest, responsible and
> egoless to
> > hold this thankless position. The applicant will be expected to
> pass on
> > family events, trips to Mexico or other wonderful places to have the
> > store items on-site when a TSA Event is scheduled.*
> >
> > *Benefits: experience and a TSA e-mail address to use for store
> > correspondence. Being able to say you did a good thing when the
> > convention is over. Get your picture and contact information
> listed on
> > the Officers/Contacts page.*
> >
> > With TCR coming up, it would be nice to get this position filled.
> >
> > Contact John Brooks at chair...@cavetexas.org
> > or jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net
> > , if interested.
> >
> >
> >
> > Later,
> >
> >
> >
> > Mark Alman
> >
> 
> 

Re: [Texascavers] TSA Job Opening!

[John P. Brooks]

Charles,

I just copied you on a message from Kara and my response.
Can you take on coordinating the TSA store for TCR ?
I understand that Denise, from Austin, has also expressed an interest in
working with the store.but she will not be at TCR. But at some point, we
should all discuss how the store proceeds in the future...and whom does
what...or what everyone wants to do..
So if  you are willing to do TCR that would be a big help. I might offer a
suggestion...that you recruit a few cavers to cover several store shifts for
you...so that you have the opportunity to enjoy TCR and don't have to spend
all of your time with the store. See if you can get David Locklear to help
sell T Shirts for a few hours! Or ask Darla Bishop to help!
I have committed to help the cooks for awhile...and need to help with TSA
dues renewals...which we might do out of the store boothso maybe we can
coordinate the TSA dues stuff with the store stuff. I am trying to convince
Mark Alman to coordinate the dues renewal stuff...so he might have an
opinion on how we do this.

John Brooks
TSA Chairman





On 8/30/06 10:35 AM, "Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith" 
wrote:

> John, if no one else has volunteered for this, I'll take it in hand.
> I've been trying to nudge my wife into volunteering for it, this way she
> won't have a choice :)
> 
> Charles
> 
> Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote:
>> Not sure how well known this is, but, FWIW, I thought I would put a
>> blurb here for a worthy candidate:
>>  
>> *__* 
>> _*Store Keeper*_
>> 
>> *Description:  Someone who will take care of the TSA store items
>> including books, patches, t-shirts and other items as they come
>> available.  The responsibilities will include storing the inventory,
>> hauling it to conventions and other TSA events then selling items once
>> there..  The position will involve handling money received from sales
>> and turning it over to the TSA Treasurer when the weekend is complete.
>> Additional responsibilities will include responding to and shipping
>> orders from the online store as they come in.*
>> 
>> *Requirements:  The applicant must be honest, responsible and egoless to
>> hold this thankless position.  The applicant will be expected to pass on
>> family events, trips to Mexico or other wonderful places to have the
>> store items on-site when a TSA Event is scheduled.*
>> 
>> *Benefits: experience and a TSA e-mail address to use for store
>> correspondence.  Being able to say you did a good thing when the
>> convention is over.  Get your picture and contact information listed on
>> the Officers/Contacts page.*
>> 
>> With TCR coming up, it would be nice to get this position filled.
>> 
>> Contact John Brooks at chair...@cavetexas.org
>>  or jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net
>> , if interested.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Later,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mark Alman
>> 
> 

RE: [Texascavers] TSA Job Opening!

[Alman, Mark @ IRP]

OK, John, you convinced me to do the TSA renewal stuff, although, I was
glad to help out, anyway.

I suggest we just have one big booth with the TSA store, renewals, info,
old TC's etc. under one roof.

One stop shopping, in other words.

I'm also looking into buying a banner (we have a TSA one don't we?) that
states:

Join the TSA or We Kill This Bat!

Before you react in horror, this is a take off of one of the most famous
marketing campaigns that National Lampoon put on the 
Cover of one of their magazines years ago. It worked very well, I might
add.

Here's a link to it:
http://advertka.ru/img/print/lampoon_national_killdog.jpg

If y'all think it's too over the top, I won't pursue it.

Let me know what I can do to help out, Chuck and John.


Thanks,

Mark





-Original Message-
From: John P. Brooks [mailto:jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net] 
Sent: Thursday, August 31, 2006 10:58 PM
To: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith; Mark Alman; Alman, Mark @ IRP
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] TSA Job Opening!

Charles,

I just copied you on a message from Kara and my response.
Can you take on coordinating the TSA store for TCR ?
I understand that Denise, from Austin, has also expressed an interest in
working with the store.but she will not be at TCR. But at some
point, we should all discuss how the store proceeds in the future...and
whom does what...or what everyone wants to do..
So if  you are willing to do TCR that would be a big help. I might offer
a suggestion...that you recruit a few cavers to cover several store
shifts for you...so that you have the opportunity to enjoy TCR and don't
have to spend all of your time with the store. See if you can get David
Locklear to help sell T Shirts for a few hours! Or ask Darla Bishop to
help!
I have committed to help the cooks for awhile...and need to help with
TSA dues renewals...which we might do out of the store boothso maybe
we can coordinate the TSA dues stuff with the store stuff. I am trying
to convince Mark Alman to coordinate the dues renewal stuff...so he
might have an opinion on how we do this.

John Brooks
TSA Chairman





On 8/30/06 10:35 AM, "Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith" 
wrote:

> John, if no one else has volunteered for this, I'll take it in hand.
> I've been trying to nudge my wife into volunteering for it, this way 
> she won't have a choice :)
> 
> Charles
> 
> Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote:
>> Not sure how well known this is, but, FWIW, I thought I would put a 
>> blurb here for a worthy candidate:
>>  
>> *__*
>> _*Store Keeper*_
>> 
>> *Description:  Someone who will take care of the TSA store items 
>> including books, patches, t-shirts and other items as they come 
>> available.  The responsibilities will include storing the inventory, 
>> hauling it to conventions and other TSA events then selling items 
>> once there..  The position will involve handling money received from 
>> sales and turning it over to the TSA Treasurer when the weekend is
complete.
>> Additional responsibilities will include responding to and shipping 
>> orders from the online store as they come in.*
>> 
>> *Requirements:  The applicant must be honest, responsible and egoless

>> to hold this thankless position.  The applicant will be expected to 
>> pass on family events, trips to Mexico or other wonderful places to 
>> have the store items on-site when a TSA Event is scheduled.*
>> 
>> *Benefits: experience and a TSA e-mail address to use for store 
>> correspondence.  Being able to say you did a good thing when the 
>> convention is over.  Get your picture and contact information listed 
>> on the Officers/Contacts page.*
>> 
>> With TCR coming up, it would be nice to get this position filled.
>> 
>> Contact John Brooks at chair...@cavetexas.org 
>>  or jpbrook...@sbcglobal.net 
>> , if interested.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Later,
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mark Alman
>> 
> 

RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion

[Butch Fralia]

Charles,

We're moving the TSA website to a new hosting company, for a number of
reasons, not the least of which is better statistics to see how many people
are actually using this thing.  It has PHPBB available for install so it
would be directly attached to TexasCavers.org.  I've set up two or three of
these and as you know it isn't a big deal.  Mark could moderate the whole
thing!

Butch


-Original Message-
From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] 
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:13 PM
To: Alman, Mark @ IRP
Cc: David Locklear; Cavetex
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion


Mark, David, both are very good ideas.  Our wonderful cavetex 
(texascavers) mailing list is hosted by myself, which has no affiliation 
with the TSA at all, other than being a member.  But as a member, I'm 
here to help out as necessary.  I do have the skills and ability to host 
  another "forum" for discussion, be it members of TSA only or an opt-in 
list for direct TSA discussions.

We can do this via mailing list, or by a web based forum, for bulletin 
board system.  This can be done quickly, easily and at no cost.

Anyone that wants to discuss it, contact me off-list.

Charles

Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote:
>  
> Superior write-up, thanks for posting it!
>  
> I'll add my 1/50th of a dollar below, plus a proposal I have.
> 
> --
> --
> *From:* David Locklear [mailto:dlocklea...@ev1.net]
> *Sent:* Friday, September 01, 2006 7:25 AM
> *To:* Cavetex
> *Subject:* [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
> 
>  
> I believe the TSA is at a cross-roads. It has been there before, 
> probably many times.  There are issues
> that I believe need to be discussed.   I believe the best way to do that 
> is on the internet on a forum separate but
> similar to Cavetex. There are some drawbacks to this.For 
> example, the e-mail box clutter.   And who is going
> to maintain it?I do not have the computer skills, to volunteer for 
> that.   
>  
>  
> *Since Andy G. and I have access to and maintain the TSA members list
> (Andy as Secretary and myself as the TC Editor), I am*
> *volunteering to start/moderate/maintain a user group * *for all _PAID 
> _TSA members that are interested in the friendly, positive, and congenial*
> *free exchange of ideas and thoughts on the ideals of cave conservation, 
> caving, events, projects, and camarderie that the TSA represents.*
> ** 
> *Think of this group as an amiable gathering of like-minded friends from 
> around this far-flung state, who have chosen to congregate around the 
> proverbial *
> *electronic campfire of cyberspace for a free exchange of dialogue on 
> how to take the TSA into the future, much like my favorite memories of 
> gathering *
> *around the fire pits at CBSP and Kickapoo Caverns after a hard day of 
> mapping, surveying, brushwalking, etc. *
> ** 
> *Negative and hostile thinkers, rock throwers, gossipers, backbiters, 
> anyone who is antagonistic/caustic/cantankerous, arsonists (folks who 
> enjoy throwing a can of gas on the fire to incite flame wars and then 
> stand back to watch), or folks who dwell on the he said/she said 
> "someone done somebody wrong songs" of 1, 5, 10, 20 years ago*
> *need not apply.*
>  
> *CaveTex is a great way for all cavers of all interests and 
> affiliations
> throughout the state to converse, wisecrack, announce projects, and to 
> generally BS.*
> ** 
> *This new group would not take away from that. It would just eliminate 
> folks that have nothing to bring to the TSA table or else they'd be 
> members.*
>  
> I believe someday that you will hear cavers discuss topics concerning
> the future of the TSA.
>  
> For example, back in the good ole days, people showed their caving 
> photos to people in slide shows. Soon
> you will e-mail your slideshows, and we will all have giant plasma
> screens to view the photos in the privacy of
> our home, while sitting on a soft leather recliner. We will have 
> video-conferencing to hold meetings.We won't
> need to drive across Texas to hold the convention.We will have 
> web-conventions. I am willing to go so far
> as to say that by 2030, we will all laugh at the idea of holding an 
> outdoor convention. How many of us will be
> still be around in 2030.  I will only be a young 66, so for me it is 
> something to that is plausible.I think
> if it is still done, it will only be for nostalgia's sake, like when 
> we go caving with carbide.
>  
>  
> *The advent of elctronics and the 'Net is the reason, David, that I
> firmly believe that the conventions, events, and projects that the TSA 
> promotes that brings cavers face-to-face are all the more vital and 
> important. *
> ** 
> *This from a longtime caver who just attended his first convention this 
> year!*
> ** 
> *I love email, but, people are much less reluctant to issue dispara

RE: [Texascavers] FW: Link to FTP Site

[Geary Schindel]

Charles,

Thanks, I've got our IT guys checking it out.  It was working about an
hour ago but we've also had some work done to the network by some
contractors.

Thanks,

Geary

Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
Chief Technical Officer
Program Manager - Aquifer Science
Edwards Aquifer Authority
1615 N. St. Marys Street
San Antonio, TX 78215
210-222-2204
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org


-Original Message-
From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] 
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:50 AM
To: Geary Schindel
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Link to FTP Site

Geary, just an FYI, that ftp site is not responding.

Geary Schindel wrote:
>  
> 
> There have been a number of folks that have inquired about viewing the

> files for the LiDAR work that was performed at Punkin Cave.  Some of
you 
> have seen this file during the LiDAR presentation at the TSA Spring 
> meeting.  I've had it posted on our FTP site at the following link.  
> There are two files on the FTP site, one details the requirements for 
> running for the board of directors for the Authority, the second file
is 
> titled Punkin Better.
> 
>  
> 
> The Punkin Better is the file you want to down load.  It is about 77 
> megs so it will take a while.  I would appreciate it if the file would

> not be used for commercial purposes.  However, the file does give an 
> idea of the level of detail that LiDAR can produce.  It will run on a
MS 
> media player.  Please let me know if you have any problems with the
file.
> 
>  
> 
> Geary Schindel 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> ftp://www.edwardsaquifer.org 
> 

RE: [Texascavers] FW: Link to FTP Site

[Geary Schindel]

Charles,

Try it now and let me know if you have a problem.

Geary

Geary M. Schindel, P.G.
Chief Technical Officer
Program Manager - Aquifer Science
Edwards Aquifer Authority
1615 N. St. Marys Street
San Antonio, TX 78215
210-222-2204
gschin...@edwardsaquifer.org


-Original Message-
From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] 
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 11:50 AM
To: Geary Schindel
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] FW: Link to FTP Site

Geary, just an FYI, that ftp site is not responding.

Geary Schindel wrote:
>  
> 
> There have been a number of folks that have inquired about viewing the

> files for the LiDAR work that was performed at Punkin Cave.  Some of
you 
> have seen this file during the LiDAR presentation at the TSA Spring 
> meeting.  I've had it posted on our FTP site at the following link.  
> There are two files on the FTP site, one details the requirements for 
> running for the board of directors for the Authority, the second file
is 
> titled Punkin Better.
> 
>  
> 
> The Punkin Better is the file you want to down load.  It is about 77 
> megs so it will take a while.  I would appreciate it if the file would

> not be used for commercial purposes.  However, the file does give an 
> idea of the level of detail that LiDAR can produce.  It will run on a
MS 
> media player.  Please let me know if you have any problems with the
file.
> 
>  
> 
> Geary Schindel 
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> ftp://www.edwardsaquifer.org 
> 

RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion

[Butch Fralia]

Thanks, I'll do that.

Butch


-Original Message-
From: wo...@justfamily.org [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] 
Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 4:07 PM
To: Butch Fralia
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion


Sounds good, let me know if you need any help.

> Charles,
>
> We're moving the TSA website to a new hosting company, for a number of 
> reasons, not the least of which is better statistics to see how many 
> people are actually using this thing.  It has PHPBB available for 
> install so it would be directly attached to TexasCavers.org.  I've set 
> up two or three of
> these and as you know it isn't a big deal.  Mark could moderate the whole
> thing!
>
> Butch
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
> Sent: Friday, September 01, 2006 12:13 PM
> To: Alman, Mark @ IRP
> Cc: David Locklear; Cavetex
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
>
>
> Mark, David, both are very good ideas.  Our wonderful cavetex
> (texascavers) mailing list is hosted by myself, which has no 
> affiliation with the TSA at all, other than being a member.  But as a 
> member, I'm here to help out as necessary.  I do have the skills and
ability to host
>   another "forum" for discussion, be it members of TSA only or an 
> opt-in list for direct TSA discussions.
>
> We can do this via mailing list, or by a web based forum, for bulletin 
> board system.  This can be done quickly, easily and at no cost.
>
> Anyone that wants to discuss it, contact me off-list.
>
> Charles
>
> Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote:
>>
>> Superior write-up, thanks for posting it!
>>
>> I'll add my 1/50th of a dollar below, plus a proposal I have.
>>
>> -
>> -
>> --
>> *From:* David Locklear [mailto:dlocklea...@ev1.net]
>> *Sent:* Friday, September 01, 2006 7:25 AM
>> *To:* Cavetex
>> *Subject:* [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
>>
>>
>> I believe the TSA is at a cross-roads. It has been there before,
>> probably many times.  There are issues
>> that I believe need to be discussed.   I believe the best way to do that
>> is on the internet on a forum separate but
>> similar to Cavetex. There are some drawbacks to this.For
>> example, the e-mail box clutter.   And who is going
>> to maintain it?I do not have the computer skills, to volunteer for
>> that.
>>
>>
>> *Since Andy G. and I have access to and maintain the TSA members list 
>> (Andy as Secretary and myself as the TC Editor), I am* *volunteering 
>> to start/moderate/maintain a user group * *for all _PAID _TSA members 
>> that are interested in the friendly, positive, and
>> congenial*
>> *free exchange of ideas and thoughts on the ideals of cave 
>> conservation, caving, events, projects, and camarderie that the TSA 
>> represents.*
>> **
>> *Think of this group as an amiable gathering of like-minded friends from
>> around this far-flung state, who have chosen to congregate around the
>> proverbial *
>> *electronic campfire of cyberspace for a free exchange of dialogue on
>> how to take the TSA into the future, much like my favorite memories of
>> gathering *
>> *around the fire pits at CBSP and Kickapoo Caverns after a hard day of
>> mapping, surveying, brushwalking, etc. *
>> **
>> *Negative and hostile thinkers, rock throwers, gossipers, backbiters,
>> anyone who is antagonistic/caustic/cantankerous, arsonists (folks who
>> enjoy throwing a can of gas on the fire to incite flame wars and then
>> stand back to watch), or folks who dwell on the he said/she said
>> "someone done somebody wrong songs" of 1, 5, 10, 20 years ago*
>> *need not apply.*
>>
>> *CaveTex is a great way for all cavers of all interests and 
>> affiliations throughout the state to converse, wisecrack, announce 
>> projects, and to generally BS.*
>> **
>> *This new group would not take away from that. It would just eliminate
>> folks that have nothing to bring to the TSA table or else they'd be
>> members.*
>>
>> I believe someday that you will hear cavers discuss topics concerning 
>> the future of the TSA.
>>
>> For example, back in the good ole days, people showed their caving
>> photos to people in slide shows. Soon
>> you will e-mail your slideshows, and we will all have giant plasma 
>> screens to view the photos in the privacy of
>> our home, while sitting on a soft leather recliner. We will have
>> video-conferencing to hold meetings.We won't
>> need to drive across Texas to hold the convention.We will have
>> web-conventions. I am willing to go so far
>> as to say that by 2030, we will all laugh at the idea of holding an
>> outdoor convention. How many of us will be
>> still be around in 2030.  I will only be a young 66, so for me it is
>> something to that is plausible.I think
>> if it is still done, it will only be for nostalgia's sake, like when 
>> we go caving with carbide.
>>
>>
>> *The a

Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion

[Kara Dittmer]

I'd like to participate in the forum. Please keep me
posted.
Thank you,

Kara

--- Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith 
wrote:

> Mark, David, both are very good ideas.  Our
> wonderful cavetex 
> (texascavers) mailing list is hosted by myself,
> which has no affiliation 
> with the TSA at all, other than being a member.  But
> as a member, I'm 
> here to help out as necessary.  I do have the skills
> and ability to host 
>   another "forum" for discussion, be it members of
> TSA only or an opt-in 
> list for direct TSA discussions.
> 
> We can do this via mailing list, or by a web based
> forum, for bulletin 
> board system.  This can be done quickly, easily and
> at no cost.
> 
> Anyone that wants to discuss it, contact me
> off-list.
> 
> Charles
> 
> Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote:
> >  
> > Superior write-up, thanks for posting it!
> >  
> > I'll add my 1/50th of a dollar below, plus a
> proposal I have.
> > 
> >
>

> > *From:* David Locklear
> [mailto:dlocklea...@ev1.net]
> > *Sent:* Friday, September 01, 2006 7:25 AM
> > *To:* Cavetex
> > *Subject:* [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another
> opinion
> > 
> >  
> > I believe the TSA is at a cross-roads. It has
> been there before, 
> > probably many times.  There are issues
> > that I believe need to be discussed.   I believe
> the best way to do that 
> > is on the internet on a forum separate but
> > similar to Cavetex. There are some drawbacks
> to this.For 
> > example, the e-mail box clutter.   And who is
> going
> > to maintain it?I do not have the computer
> skills, to volunteer for 
> > that.   
> >  
> >  
> > *Since Andy G. and I have access to and maintain
> the TSA members list 
> > (Andy as Secretary and myself as the TC Editor), I
> am*
> > *volunteering to start/moderate/maintain a user
> group * *for all _PAID 
> > _TSA members that are interested in the friendly,
> positive, and congenial*
> > *free exchange of ideas and thoughts on the ideals
> of cave conservation, 
> > caving, events, projects, and camarderie that the
> TSA represents.*
> > ** 
> > *Think of this group as an amiable gathering of
> like-minded friends from 
> > around this far-flung state, who have chosen to
> congregate around the 
> > proverbial *
> > *electronic campfire of cyberspace for a free
> exchange of dialogue on 
> > how to take the TSA into the future, much like my
> favorite memories of 
> > gathering *
> > *around the fire pits at CBSP and Kickapoo Caverns
> after a hard day of 
> > mapping, surveying, brushwalking, etc. *
> > ** 
> > *Negative and hostile thinkers, rock throwers,
> gossipers, backbiters, 
> > anyone who is antagonistic/caustic/cantankerous,
> arsonists (folks who 
> > enjoy throwing a can of gas on the fire to incite
> flame wars and then 
> > stand back to watch), or folks who dwell on the he
> said/she said 
> > "someone done somebody wrong songs" of 1, 5, 10,
> 20 years ago*
> > *need not apply.*
> >  
> > *CaveTex is a great way for all cavers of all
> interests and affiliations 
> > throughout the state to converse, wisecrack,
> announce projects, and to 
> > generally BS.*
> > ** 
> > *This new group would not take away from that. It
> would just eliminate 
> > folks that have nothing to bring to the TSA table
> or else they'd be 
> > members.*
> >  
> > I believe someday that you will hear cavers
> discuss topics concerning 
> > the future of the TSA.
> >  
> > For example, back in the good ole days, people
> showed their caving 
> > photos to people in slide shows. Soon
> > you will e-mail your slideshows, and we will all
> have giant plasma 
> > screens to view the photos in the privacy of
> > our home, while sitting on a soft leather
> recliner. We will have 
> > video-conferencing to hold meetings.We won't
> > need to drive across Texas to hold the convention.
>We will have 
> > web-conventions. I am willing to go so far
> > as to say that by 2030, we will all laugh at the
> idea of holding an 
> > outdoor convention. How many of us will be
> > still be around in 2030.  I will only be a
> young 66, so for me it is 
> > something to that is plausible.I think
> > if it is still done, it will only be for
> nostalgia's sake, like when 
> > we go caving with carbide.
> >  
> >  
> > *The advent of elctronics and the 'Net is the
> reason, David, that I 
> > firmly believe that the conventions, events, and
> projects that the TSA 
> > promotes that brings cavers face-to-face are all
> the more vital and 
> > important. *
> > ** 
> > *This from a longtime caver who just attended his
> first convention this 
> > year!*
> > ** 
> > *I love email, but, people are much less reluctant
> to issue disparaging 
> > remarks if that person is right in front of them.
> Email and the 'Net 
> > make it too easy issue to trash someone or to send
> an email or remark 
> > that is interpreted the wrong way.*
> > ** 
> > *Does the TSA have is

RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion

[Alman, Mark @ IRP]

Good to hear, Charles.

I think a "Members Only" section would be great, as well as a link/plug
for CaveTex and how to join, what it is, etc.

Would there be adequate server space for old issues of the Texas Caver?

It's up to y'all/membership if we'd want to put these in the Members
Only section, but, I have pdf's of all the ones I've done.

Some good thoughts and discussions going on, and, hey, they're actually
constructive AND positive!

Keep up the great work on CaveTex and the TSA site!


Later,

Mark

 

-Original Message-
From: wo...@justfamily.org [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] 
Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:21 AM
To: John P. Brooks
Cc: Nico Escamilla; Alman, Mark @ IRP; David Locklear
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion

Yes, with most forum software, especially phpbb, having a public section
and a members only section would be very easy.  I understand that Butch
and Pete are working on some new things for the TSA site.  It's in very
capable hands.

> I would prefer to see this type of system set up on the TSA website.
> It would draw cavers to our website...and create a way for the TSA to 
> more effectively communicate with its members...and its prospective 
> member base.
> And members and prospective members would have an opportunity to see 
> and explore the wealth of information on our website. And the 
> increased traffic might supply the traffic for an on line store.
> Everyone says they want a stronger more active TSA that does a number 
> of new things for its members...so its time that we gave the TSA the 
> tools it needs to reach out and grow.
> I acknowledge what a wonderful tool cavetex has been for Texas Cavers.

> And Charles and Bill desire our gratitude for keeping this going. But 
> if you guys want a vibrant organization...we need to make decisions 
> beneficial to that end.
>
>

Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion

[Pete Lindsley]

We have the room on the website. So we can talk about putting up both 
pictures and back issues of the TC!


 - Pete

Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wrote:

I don't do the TSA website, I'll copy Butch and Pete on this and see 
what they say about it.  Putting up the old issues would be great in my 
opinion.


Thanks!
Charles

Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote:



Good to hear, Charles.

I think a "Members Only" section would be great, as well as a link/plug
for CaveTex and how to join, what it is, etc.

Would there be adequate server space for old issues of the Texas Caver?

It's up to y'all/membership if we'd want to put these in the Members
Only section, but, I have pdf's of all the ones I've done.

Some good thoughts and discussions going on, and, hey, they're actually
constructive AND positive!

Keep up the great work on CaveTex and the TSA site!


Later,

Mark

 


-Original Message-
From: wo...@justfamily.org [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: 
Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:21 AM

To: John P. Brooks
Cc: Nico Escamilla; Alman, Mark @ IRP; David Locklear
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion

Yes, with most forum software, especially phpbb, having a public section
and a members only section would be very easy.  I understand that Butch
and Pete are working on some new things for the TSA site.  It's in very
capable hands.


I would prefer to see this type of system set up on the TSA website.
It would draw cavers to our website...and create a way for the TSA to 
more effectively communicate with its members...and its prospective 
member base.
And members and prospective members would have an opportunity to see 
and explore the wealth of information on our website. And the 
increased traffic might supply the traffic for an on line store.
Everyone says they want a stronger more active TSA that does a number 
of new things for its members...so its time that we gave the TSA the 
tools it needs to reach out and grow.

I acknowledge what a wonderful tool cavetex has been for Texas Cavers.



And Charles and Bill desire our gratitude for keeping this going. But 
if you guys want a vibrant organization...we need to make decisions 
beneficial to that end.

RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion

[Butch Fralia]

We have plenty of space 1500MB and more bandwidth that we'll need.  Can we
get the back issues in PDF format or I can make PDF's for the issues that
were done in MS-Publisher.

Older caver's I'd put in a public area where anyone can get to them.  We can
set an aging limit to what's public; six months, a year?  The ANL is
certainly public.

We can have a members area (if you're not in a hurry).  It would require so
PHP programming that I can do.  The problem could be a database for it.  If
we have the BBS/Forum, it runs off a database and has a user table.  The
Store also has a registration area and is on a separate database.  Unless I
write some special interface, there's the opportunity to have even a 3rd
database and user registration table.

Butch


-Original Message-
From: Pete Lindsley [mailto:linds...@raytheon.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:20 PM
To: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith
Cc: Alman, Mark @ IRP; John P. Brooks; Nico Escamilla; David Locklear;
webmas...@cavetexas.org
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion


We have the room on the website. So we can talk about putting up both 
pictures and back issues of the TC!

  - Pete

Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wrote:

> I don't do the TSA website, I'll copy Butch and Pete on this and see
> what they say about it.  Putting up the old issues would be great in my 
> opinion.
> 
> Thanks!
> Charles
> 
> Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote:
> 
>>
>> Good to hear, Charles.
>>
>> I think a "Members Only" section would be great, as well as a 
>> link/plug for CaveTex and how to join, what it is, etc.
>>
>> Would there be adequate server space for old issues of the Texas 
>> Caver?
>>
>> It's up to y'all/membership if we'd want to put these in the Members 
>> Only section, but, I have pdf's of all the ones I've done.
>>
>> Some good thoughts and discussions going on, and, hey, they're 
>> actually constructive AND positive!
>>
>> Keep up the great work on CaveTex and the TSA site!
>>
>>
>> Later,
>>
>> Mark
>>
>>  
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wo...@justfamily.org [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent:
>> Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:21 AM
>> To: John P. Brooks
>> Cc: Nico Escamilla; Alman, Mark @ IRP; David Locklear
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
>>
>> Yes, with most forum software, especially phpbb, having a public 
>> section and a members only section would be very easy.  I understand 
>> that Butch and Pete are working on some new things for the TSA site.  
>> It's in very capable hands.
>>
>>> I would prefer to see this type of system set up on the TSA website. 
>>> It would draw cavers to our website...and create a way for the TSA 
>>> to more effectively communicate with its members...and its 
>>> prospective member base. And members and prospective members would 
>>> have an opportunity to see and explore the wealth of information on 
>>> our website. And the increased traffic might supply the traffic for 
>>> an on line store. Everyone says they want a stronger more active TSA 
>>> that does a number of new things for its members...so its time that 
>>> we gave the TSA the tools it needs to reach out and grow.
>>> I acknowledge what a wonderful tool cavetex has been for Texas Cavers.
>>
>>
>>> And Charles and Bill desire our gratitude for keeping this going. 
>>> But
>>> if you guys want a vibrant organization...we need to make decisions 
>>> beneficial to that end.
>>>
>>>
> 

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RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion

[Butch Fralia]

Mark,

Did you get the e-mail I sent about having a forum set up on cavetexas.org?
It's BBS and not a mailing list, are you to be a moderator and screen people
as TSA members?

Butch


-Original Message-
From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:17 AM
To: Alman, Mark @ IRP
Cc: John P. Brooks; Nico Escamilla; David Locklear; webmas...@cavetexas.org
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion


I don't do the TSA website, I'll copy Butch and Pete on this and see 
what they say about it.  Putting up the old issues would be great in my 
opinion.

Thanks!
Charles

Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote:
> 
> Good to hear, Charles.
> 
> I think a "Members Only" section would be great, as well as a 
> link/plug for CaveTex and how to join, what it is, etc.
> 
> Would there be adequate server space for old issues of the Texas 
> Caver?
> 
> It's up to y'all/membership if we'd want to put these in the Members 
> Only section, but, I have pdf's of all the ones I've done.
> 
> Some good thoughts and discussions going on, and, hey, they're 
> actually constructive AND positive!
> 
> Keep up the great work on CaveTex and the TSA site!
> 
> 
> Later,
> 
> Mark
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wo...@justfamily.org [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:21 AM
> To: John P. Brooks
> Cc: Nico Escamilla; Alman, Mark @ IRP; David Locklear
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
> 
> Yes, with most forum software, especially phpbb, having a public 
> section and a members only section would be very easy.  I understand 
> that Butch and Pete are working on some new things for the TSA site.  
> It's in very capable hands.
> 
>> I would prefer to see this type of system set up on the TSA website. 
>> It would draw cavers to our website...and create a way for the TSA to 
>> more effectively communicate with its members...and its prospective 
>> member base. And members and prospective members would have an 
>> opportunity to see and explore the wealth of information on our 
>> website. And the increased traffic might supply the traffic for an on 
>> line store. Everyone says they want a stronger more active TSA that 
>> does a number of new things for its members...so its time that we 
>> gave the TSA the tools it needs to reach out and grow.
>> I acknowledge what a wonderful tool cavetex has been for Texas Cavers.
> 
>> And Charles and Bill desire our gratitude for keeping this going. But
>> if you guys want a vibrant organization...we need to make decisions 
>> beneficial to that end.
>>
>>

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RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion

[Butch Fralia]

Charles,

I believe you are correct, thanks for the thought because it's not an option
I'd thought of.  You can also let people upload files through the forums.
We'll have to think about whether we want to do that and what files should
be uploaded.

We can also piss Chris Vreeland off and let people upload their animated
avatars.

Butch


-Original Message-
From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:54 PM
To: bfra...@charter.net
Cc: 'Pete Lindsley'; 'Alman, Mark @ IRP'; 'John P. Brooks'; 'Nico
Escamilla'; 'David Locklear'; webmas...@cavetexas.org
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion


Butch, why not just set aside a section in the forums for the 
newsletters, control access via the forum permissions.  I think there is 
even an addon for phpbb for file archives, but don't hold me to that.

Butch Fralia wrote:
> We have plenty of space 1500MB and more bandwidth that we'll need.  
> Can we get the back issues in PDF format or I can make PDF's for the 
> issues that were done in MS-Publisher.
> 
> Older caver's I'd put in a public area where anyone can get to them.  
> We can set an aging limit to what's public; six months, a year?  The 
> ANL is certainly public.
> 
> We can have a members area (if you're not in a hurry).  It would 
> require so PHP programming that I can do.  The problem could be a 
> database for it.  If we have the BBS/Forum, it runs off a database and 
> has a user table.  The Store also has a registration area and is on a 
> separate database.  Unless I write some special interface, there's the 
> opportunity to have even a 3rd database and user registration table.
> 
> Butch
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Pete Lindsley [mailto:linds...@raytheon.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 12:20 PM
> To: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith
> Cc: Alman, Mark @ IRP; John P. Brooks; Nico Escamilla; David Locklear;
> webmas...@cavetexas.org
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
> 
> 
> We have the room on the website. So we can talk about putting up both
> pictures and back issues of the TC!
> 
>   - Pete
> 
> Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith wrote:
> 
>> I don't do the TSA website, I'll copy Butch and Pete on this and see 
>> what they say about it.  Putting up the old issues would be great in 
>> my opinion.
>>
>> Thanks!
>> Charles
>>
>> Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote:
>>
>>> Good to hear, Charles.
>>>
>>> I think a "Members Only" section would be great, as well as a
>>> link/plug for CaveTex and how to join, what it is, etc.
>>>
>>> Would there be adequate server space for old issues of the Texas
>>> Caver?
>>>
>>> It's up to y'all/membership if we'd want to put these in the Members
>>> Only section, but, I have pdf's of all the ones I've done.
>>>
>>> Some good thoughts and discussions going on, and, hey, they're
>>> actually constructive AND positive!
>>>
>>> Keep up the great work on CaveTex and the TSA site!
>>>
>>>
>>> Later,
>>>
>>> Mark
>>>
>>>  
>>>
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: wo...@justfamily.org [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org] Sent: 
>>> Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:21 AM
>>> To: John P. Brooks
>>> Cc: Nico Escamilla; Alman, Mark @ IRP; David Locklear
>>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
>>>
>>> Yes, with most forum software, especially phpbb, having a public
>>> section and a members only section would be very easy.  I understand 
>>> that Butch and Pete are working on some new things for the TSA site.  
>>> It's in very capable hands.
>>>
 I would prefer to see this type of system set up on the TSA 
 website.
 It would draw cavers to our website...and create a way for the TSA 
 to more effectively communicate with its members...and its 
 prospective member base. And members and prospective members would 
 have an opportunity to see and explore the wealth of information on 
 our website. And the increased traffic might supply the traffic for 
 an on line store. Everyone says they want a stronger more active TSA 
 that does a number of new things for its members...so its time that 
 we gave the TSA the tools it needs to reach out and grow.
 I acknowledge what a wonderful tool cavetex has been for Texas Cavers.
>>>
 And Charles and Bill desire our gratitude for keeping this going.
 But
 if you guys want a vibrant organization...we need to make decisions 
 beneficial to that end.


> 

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RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion

[Alman, Mark @ IRP]

 

Yes, I did, Butch and I think it's a great idea, especially if it helps
the TSA be more of a "full service" website.

I have no problem with being the moderator, if this is OK with John and
everyone else.

Just let me know what I need to do and I can send you the members list,
or they can apply for access and I approve? Is this how it would work?

I'm also glad to hear that y'all have room for old TC's. Let me know
when you want them and if we could get the other old TC's from the prior
editors, the better.



Thanks,

Mark




-Original Message-
From: Butch Fralia [mailto:bfra...@charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:36 PM
To: 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith'; Alman, Mark @ IRP
Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; 'Nico Escamilla'; 'David Locklear';
webmas...@cavetexas.org
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion

Mark,

Did you get the e-mail I sent about having a forum set up on
cavetexas.org?
It's BBS and not a mailing list, are you to be a moderator and screen
people as TSA members?

Butch


-Original Message-
From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:17 AM
To: Alman, Mark @ IRP
Cc: John P. Brooks; Nico Escamilla; David Locklear;
webmas...@cavetexas.org
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion


I don't do the TSA website, I'll copy Butch and Pete on this and see 
what they say about it.  Putting up the old issues would be great in my 
opinion.

Thanks!
Charles

Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote:
> 
> Good to hear, Charles.
> 
> I think a "Members Only" section would be great, as well as a 
> link/plug for CaveTex and how to join, what it is, etc.
> 
> Would there be adequate server space for old issues of the Texas 
> Caver?
> 
> It's up to y'all/membership if we'd want to put these in the Members 
> Only section, but, I have pdf's of all the ones I've done.
> 
> Some good thoughts and discussions going on, and, hey, they're 
> actually constructive AND positive!
> 
> Keep up the great work on CaveTex and the TSA site!
> 
> 
> Later,
> 
> Mark
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wo...@justfamily.org [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:21 AM
> To: John P. Brooks
> Cc: Nico Escamilla; Alman, Mark @ IRP; David Locklear
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
> 
> Yes, with most forum software, especially phpbb, having a public 
> section and a members only section would be very easy.  I understand 
> that Butch and Pete are working on some new things for the TSA site.  
> It's in very capable hands.
> 
>> I would prefer to see this type of system set up on the TSA website. 
>> It would draw cavers to our website...and create a way for the TSA to

>> more effectively communicate with its members...and its prospective 
>> member base. And members and prospective members would have an 
>> opportunity to see and explore the wealth of information on our 
>> website. And the increased traffic might supply the traffic for an on

>> line store. Everyone says they want a stronger more active TSA that 
>> does a number of new things for its members...so its time that we 
>> gave the TSA the tools it needs to reach out and grow.
>> I acknowledge what a wonderful tool cavetex has been for Texas
Cavers.
> 
>> And Charles and Bill desire our gratitude for keeping this going. But
>> if you guys want a vibrant organization...we need to make decisions 
>> beneficial to that end.
>>
>>

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RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion

[Butch Fralia]

The first thing I need you to do is go out to the site and register so I can
set you up as administrator/moderator.  We'll need to get rid of the test
forums that are in place and set up the forums like you'll want them.  Do we
want to let non-members read the forums, some of the forums or block all
access for non-registered users.  I'll have the registrations forward to you
and you'll have to check them against your list and approve them.

Charles suggested that the TC's could be downloadable by members only
through the BBS software.  I think that's doable but will have to check up
on it.

You can check out texascaving.com for forum examples.  We'll probably want
to have a rules section that anyone can read.

Again I probably can't do much with it this week but wanted you to be
thinking about it.

Butch


-Original Message-
From: Alman, Mark @ IRP [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:51 PM
To: bfra...@charter.net; Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith
Cc: John P. Brooks; webmas...@cavetexas.org
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion


 

Yes, I did, Butch and I think it's a great idea, especially if it helps the
TSA be more of a "full service" website.

I have no problem with being the moderator, if this is OK with John and
everyone else.

Just let me know what I need to do and I can send you the members list, or
they can apply for access and I approve? Is this how it would work?

I'm also glad to hear that y'all have room for old TC's. Let me know when
you want them and if we could get the other old TC's from the prior editors,
the better.



Thanks,

Mark




-Original Message-
From: Butch Fralia [mailto:bfra...@charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:36 PM
To: 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith'; Alman, Mark @ IRP
Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; 'Nico Escamilla'; 'David Locklear';
webmas...@cavetexas.org
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion

Mark,

Did you get the e-mail I sent about having a forum set up on cavetexas.org?
It's BBS and not a mailing list, are you to be a moderator and screen people
as TSA members?

Butch


-Original Message-
From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:17 AM
To: Alman, Mark @ IRP
Cc: John P. Brooks; Nico Escamilla; David Locklear; webmas...@cavetexas.org
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion


I don't do the TSA website, I'll copy Butch and Pete on this and see 
what they say about it.  Putting up the old issues would be great in my 
opinion.

Thanks!
Charles

Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote:
> 
> Good to hear, Charles.
> 
> I think a "Members Only" section would be great, as well as a
> link/plug for CaveTex and how to join, what it is, etc.
> 
> Would there be adequate server space for old issues of the Texas
> Caver?
> 
> It's up to y'all/membership if we'd want to put these in the Members
> Only section, but, I have pdf's of all the ones I've done.
> 
> Some good thoughts and discussions going on, and, hey, they're
> actually constructive AND positive!
> 
> Keep up the great work on CaveTex and the TSA site!
> 
> 
> Later,
> 
> Mark
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wo...@justfamily.org [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:21 AM
> To: John P. Brooks
> Cc: Nico Escamilla; Alman, Mark @ IRP; David Locklear
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
> 
> Yes, with most forum software, especially phpbb, having a public
> section and a members only section would be very easy.  I understand 
> that Butch and Pete are working on some new things for the TSA site.  
> It's in very capable hands.
> 
>> I would prefer to see this type of system set up on the TSA website.
>> It would draw cavers to our website...and create a way for the TSA to

>> more effectively communicate with its members...and its prospective
>> member base. And members and prospective members would have an 
>> opportunity to see and explore the wealth of information on our 
>> website. And the increased traffic might supply the traffic for an on

>> line store. Everyone says they want a stronger more active TSA that
>> does a number of new things for its members...so its time that we 
>> gave the TSA the tools it needs to reach out and grow.
>> I acknowledge what a wonderful tool cavetex has been for Texas
Cavers.
> 
>> And Charles and Bill desire our gratitude for keeping this going. But 
>> if you guys want a vibrant organization...we need to make decisions 
>> beneficial to that end.
>>
>>

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Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion

[John P. Brooks]

On 9/5/06 3:25 PM, "Butch Fralia"  wrote:

Who is our moderator ? Mark ? I have no issue with itbut please don¹t
over load yourself.

> The first thing I need you to do is go out to the site and register so I can
> set you up as administrator/moderator.  We'll need to get rid of the test
> forums that are in place and set up the forums like you'll want them.  Do we
> want to let non-members read the forums, some of the forums or block all
> access for non-registered users.

Members and non-members should have accessbut we might want to
eventually have some special interest areas that require membership or
registration with the interest group.

I'll have the registrations forward to you
> and you'll have to check them against your list and approve them.
> 
> Charles suggested that the TC's could be downloadable by members only
> through the BBS software.  I think that's doable but will have to check up
> on it.
> 
> You can check out texascaving.com for forum examples.  We'll probably want
> to have a rules section that anyone can read.

We should have the rules as part of the registration process and have people
acknowledge that they will comply. And I would think that we need to have
some ³rules of engagement² to keep things civil.


> 
> Again I probably can't do much with it this week but wanted you to be
> thinking about it.
> 
> Butch
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Alman, Mark @ IRP [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:51 PM
> To: bfra...@charter.net; Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith
> Cc: John P. Brooks; webmas...@cavetexas.org
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Yes, I did, Butch and I think it's a great idea, especially if it helps the
> TSA be more of a "full service" website.
> 
> I have no problem with being the moderator, if this is OK with John and
> everyone else.
> 
> Just let me know what I need to do and I can send you the members list, or
> they can apply for access and I approve? Is this how it would work?
> 
> I'm also glad to hear that y'all have room for old TC's. Let me know when
> you want them and if we could get the other old TC's from the prior editors,
> the better.
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Butch Fralia [mailto:bfra...@charter.net]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:36 PM
> To: 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith'; Alman, Mark @ IRP
> Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; 'Nico Escamilla'; 'David Locklear';
> webmas...@cavetexas.org
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
> 
> Mark,
> 
> Did you get the e-mail I sent about having a forum set up on cavetexas.org?
> It's BBS and not a mailing list, are you to be a moderator and screen people
> as TSA members?
> 
> Butch
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
> Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:17 AM
> To: Alman, Mark @ IRP
> Cc: John P. Brooks; Nico Escamilla; David Locklear; webmas...@cavetexas.org
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
> 
> 
> I don't do the TSA website, I'll copy Butch and Pete on this and see
> what they say about it.  Putting up the old issues would be great in my
> opinion.
> 
> Thanks!
> Charles
> 
> Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote:
>> 
>> Good to hear, Charles.
>> 
>> I think a "Members Only" section would be great, as well as a
>> link/plug for CaveTex and how to join, what it is, etc.
>> 
>> Would there be adequate server space for old issues of the Texas
>> Caver?
>> 
>> It's up to y'all/membership if we'd want to put these in the Members
>> Only section, but, I have pdf's of all the ones I've done.
>> 
>> Some good thoughts and discussions going on, and, hey, they're
>> actually constructive AND positive!
>> 
>> Keep up the great work on CaveTex and the TSA site!
>> 
>> 
>> Later,
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: wo...@justfamily.org [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
>> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:21 AM
>> To: John P. Brooks
>> Cc: Nico Escamilla; Alman, Mark @ IRP; David Locklear
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
>> 
>> Yes, with most forum software, especially phpbb, having a public
>> section and a members only section would be very easy.  I understand
>> that Butch and Pete are working on some new things for the TSA site.
>> It's in very capable hands.
>> 
>>> I would prefer to see this type of system set up on the TSA website.
>>> It would draw cavers to our website...and create a way for the TSA to
> 
>>> more effectively communicate with its members...and its prospective
>>> member base. And members and prospective members would have an
>>> opportunity to see and explore the wealth of information on our
>>> website. And the increased traffic might supply the traffic for an on
> 
>>> line store. Everyone says they want a stronger more active TSA that
>>> does a number of new things for its members...so its time that 

RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion

[Alman, Mark @ IRP]

All, my questions and comments are below:
 

-Original Message-
From: Butch Fralia [mailto:bfra...@charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 3:25 PM
To: Alman, Mark @ IRP; 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith'
Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; webmas...@cavetexas.org
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion

The first thing I need you to do is go out to the site and register so I
can set you up as administrator/moderator.  


How do I do this or is it not set up yet? I was unable to locate it on
the webpage.


We'll need to get rid of the test forums that are in place and set up
the forums like you'll want them.  Do we want to let non-members read
the forums, some of the forums or block all access for non-registered
users.  I'll have the registrations forward to you and you'll have to
check them against your list and approve them.

It's up to y'all, but my feeling is to let non-members be able to read
them, but, you must be a paid and registered TSA member to post or
reply. 

Also, I think the way the Maverick Grotto does their newsletters is
good, in that, you must be a paid member to look at the most recent
TC's. If you're not a paid
Member, maybe we can let them look at the 1st quarter issue.

Charles suggested that the TC's could be downloadable by members only
through the BBS software.  I think that's doable but will have to check
up on it.

You can check out texascaving.com for forum examples.  We'll probably
want to have a rules section that anyone can read.

Again I probably can't do much with it this week but wanted you to be
thinking about it.

Butch


Finally, do we want to have sub-sections in the forums sections, i.e.,
project section, trip section, Grotto section, TSA Business section,
etc. or is this too much?

However y'all want to do it and thanks so much, Butch and Pete, for
undertaking this challenging and, hopefully, groundbreaking task for the
TSA!



Mark





-Original Message-
From: Alman, Mark @ IRP [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com]
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 2:51 PM
To: bfra...@charter.net; Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith
Cc: John P. Brooks; webmas...@cavetexas.org
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion


 

Yes, I did, Butch and I think it's a great idea, especially if it helps
the
TSA be more of a "full service" website.

I have no problem with being the moderator, if this is OK with John and
everyone else.

Just let me know what I need to do and I can send you the members list,
or
they can apply for access and I approve? Is this how it would work?

I'm also glad to hear that y'all have room for old TC's. Let me know
when
you want them and if we could get the other old TC's from the prior
editors,
the better.



Thanks,

Mark




-Original Message-
From: Butch Fralia [mailto:bfra...@charter.net] 
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 1:36 PM
To: 'Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith'; Alman, Mark @ IRP
Cc: 'John P. Brooks'; 'Nico Escamilla'; 'David Locklear';
webmas...@cavetexas.org
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion

Mark,

Did you get the e-mail I sent about having a forum set up on
cavetexas.org?
It's BBS and not a mailing list, are you to be a moderator and screen
people
as TSA members?

Butch


-Original Message-
From: Charles 'wokka' Goldsmith [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
Sent: Tuesday, September 05, 2006 11:17 AM
To: Alman, Mark @ IRP
Cc: John P. Brooks; Nico Escamilla; David Locklear;
webmas...@cavetexas.org
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion


I don't do the TSA website, I'll copy Butch and Pete on this and see 
what they say about it.  Putting up the old issues would be great in my 
opinion.

Thanks!
Charles

Alman, Mark @ IRP wrote:
> 
> Good to hear, Charles.
> 
> I think a "Members Only" section would be great, as well as a
> link/plug for CaveTex and how to join, what it is, etc.
> 
> Would there be adequate server space for old issues of the Texas
> Caver?
> 
> It's up to y'all/membership if we'd want to put these in the Members
> Only section, but, I have pdf's of all the ones I've done.
> 
> Some good thoughts and discussions going on, and, hey, they're
> actually constructive AND positive!
> 
> Keep up the great work on CaveTex and the TSA site!
> 
> 
> Later,
> 
> Mark
> 
>  
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: wo...@justfamily.org [mailto:wo...@justfamily.org]
> Sent: Saturday, September 02, 2006 1:21 AM
> To: John P. Brooks
> Cc: Nico Escamilla; Alman, Mark @ IRP; David Locklear
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] The TSA purpose - another opinion
> 
> Yes, with most forum software, especially phpbb, having a public
> section and a members only section would be very easy.  I understand 
> that Butch and Pete are working on some new things for the TSA site.  
> It's in very capable hands.
> 
>> I would prefer to see this type of system set up on the TSA website.
>> It would draw cavers to our website...and create a way for the TSA to

>> more effectively communicate wi