Re:Non-caving related: A raffle to win an airplane!
Emily, are tickets still available? I was hoping to make it to TCR but did not and would like to purchase a ticket. I live in Dallas, so it will have to be either CC over the phone/online or mail a check, whichever you prefer. I sent you a message over the weekend, but I didn't modify the subject and it might have been filtered if you do that with your mail, so apologies if this is a duplicate. Thanks Charles On 10/14/07, Emily McGowan em...@sbcglobal.net wrote: ** Hey all, Sorry for the non-caving-related post here, but I wanted to let you all know that I will be selling raffle tickets at TCR for a 1947 Cessna 140 (airplane), as part of Houston's 1940 Air Terminal Museum's Win-A-Plane Fundraising Raffle. Tickets are $50 each, and you may purchase them with cash, check (made payable to Houston Aeronautical Heritage Society) or credit card. As per the below information, the drawing for a winning ticket will be held in July 2008, or sooner if all 2,500 tickets have been sold before then. You have a good chance of winning, with only 2,500 tickets being sold! All proceeds from the raffle go to the Houston Aeronautical Heritage Society and will be used for the expenses of the contest, and for operating expenses of the 1940 Air Terminal Museum, located at William P. Hobby Airport. I know that the Greater Houston Grotto alone has had a few members who are also pilots, so perhaps there are other caver/pilots out there, too. And even if you're not a pilot (yet) - you can buy a ticket! If you win, then you can take flying lessons. :) If you are interested, please feel free to email me in advance to let me know, and come find me in the Greater Houston Grotto camping area over the weekend at TCR. I can email you a picture of the airplane if you'd like. Or click the links below to see the plane (and, um, me). It's a sweet-looking ride! http://www.wingsandwheels.org/images/Win_Me_Emily_sm.jpg http://www.wingsandwheels.org/images/Win_Me_Francisco_sm.jpg 1940 Air Terminal Museum link:http://www.1940airterminal.org/ Thanks! Emily McGowan Greater Houston Grotto em...@sbcglobal.net ** *1940 AIR TERMINAL MUSEUM WIN-A-PLANE FUNDRAISING RAFFLE* * * On July 21, 2007 the 1940 Air Terminal museum will unveil its new recently acquired 1947 Cessna 140 airplane, which it will give to one lucky raffle ticket holder. Raffle tickets are available for $50 each, and no more than 2,500 tickets will be sold. The drawing will be held at the Museum's July 2008 Wings Wheels open house, or a sooner Wings Wheels if all tickets have been sold sooner. The raffle airplane will be on display at all Wings Wheels, at fly-ins and air shows and at popular flying destinations throughout the contest. The Cessna 140 is easy to fly, and inexpensive to operate and maintain. The raffle plane won the 2004 Best Continuously Maintained Antique award at Oshkosh, and sports red trim over a gleaming polished aluminum airframe.
Re: Non-caving related: A raffle to win an airplane!
Hi Charles! I'm glad you wrote me again, as I didn't get that first message, and it wasn't in my spam folder/file thingie, so .. who knows where it went!! I still have some tickets, and you are welcome to buy one from me, or from the 1940 Air Terminal Museum directly, whichever is best for you. You may either send me a check for $50, or give me the cc info (I will tell you what-all they need), and give me your name, address, phone number and email address (well, guess I have that, LOL), and I'll fill out the little card to turn in with your money. I will need to send you your portion of the raffle ticket. If you want to pay by credit card, I will need your credit card number, what kind of cc it is (Visa, MC, AE) and the expiration date. Thanks! Just let me know what you'd like to do. Emily PS Sorry you had to miss TCR! It was great fun. Emily, are tickets still available? I was hoping to make it to TCR but did not and would like to purchase a ticket. I live in Dallas, so it will have to be either CC over the phone/online or mail a check, whichever you prefer. I sent you a message over the weekend, but I didn't modify the subject and it might have been filtered if you do that with your mail, so apologies if this is a duplicate. Thanks Charles
[Texascavers] Washington bat cave gated after tragic death :
Dangerous bat cave sealed for safety By Paul Boring Oct 27 2007 The memory of Matthew Hubner lives on in those who knew the 13-year-old Oak Harbor boy and in the travelers who are introduced to him for the first time on Pass Island, where a bench perched on a breathtaking vantage point bears his name. Hubner was killed in May 2006 when he slipped while trying to access a cave northeast of Deception Pass Bridge. He fell 150 feet to the water below and attempts to recover his body were in vain. Almost a year-and-a-half later, the historically-romanticized cave that attracted Hubner and many other hikers to its entrance on the treacherous rock face was effectively sealed off Tuesday night. A crew of three highly-trained, acrophobia-immune workers from Sedro-Woolley’ s Buckhorn Construction installed a “bat gate,” aptly-named grating that will allow Townsend’s big-eared bats access to the cave while dissuading spelunking. The rock shelf in front of the entrance will also be inaccessible with the addition of what Jack Hartt, Deception Pass State Park manager, called a “ cow catcher.” “There’s no place to comfortably sit or stand up there anymore,” Hartt said. “The crew did a great job. They finished it in two days and it’s done and effective.” Shortly after the accident, the knee-jerk reaction was to completely seal off the entrance. The plan changed when the Department of Fish and Wildlife and other local experts determined that the cave is home to Townsend’s big-eared bats. The species hibernates in the cave during the winter. “It’s perfect timing,” Hartt said. “It just finishes the project.” Rare raptors have also been known to use the cave and similarly need protection at certain times of the year. Hubner’s parents had the bench at Pass Island installed in memory of their son. With the new gate serving as a deterrent for other curious hikers, closure is now attainable. “I’m so pleased, not only for the park’s sake, but for the family’s sake, and for the community’s sake,” Hartt said. “Nobody needs to go up there now.” Installing the grating was no small feat. The Buckhorn crew, all professional climbers skilled in the specialized work, accessed the cave from the top and lowered the material by rope. “That’s where they earned their money,” Hartt quipped. “They did it piece by piece. It was not easy. That’s thousands of pounds of grating plus all of their tools. It was fun to watch.” In spite of repeated safety warnings, Hartt has observed tell-tale signs of activity around the cave since Hubner’s death. Hiking to the impressive 8-foot by 10-foot opening, which led into the natural cave expanded in the early 20th century for mining, was not illegal. Park officials could only caution people and the mere thought of another tragedy was terrifying. “I’m so relieved this is done,” the park manager said. _http://www.whidbeynewstimes.com/portals-code/list.cgi?paper=84cat=23id=1092 302more=0_ (http://www.whidbeynewstimes.com/portals-code/list.cgi?paper=84cat=23id=1092302more=0) ** See what's new at http://www.aol.com
Re: [Texascavers] energy
On Fusion - I think its been one of those things like a mirage or rainbow - the closer we've thought we were to its grasp - it only turned out to be that much farther out of reach. Unless a quantum solution is discovered to fake out matter - A 'net positive' fusion reactor might only be possible with a tokomak the size of a planet. which leads to the very interesting notion that perhaps we already have one and just dont know how to use it. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] TCR cooks too much
-- Original message -- From: Stefan Creaser stefan.crea...@arm.com However, I think there was a little too much as we were still eating it for lunch on Sunday :-) When the food and the service are that good, too much is OK. But the most obvious excess I noticed during several scrounging and sampling trips through the cooking area was not the bags of taters, not the piles of onions, and not the stewing pots of meat, but the enthusiasm of those perparing the food. That and their excitement and determination was veritably dripping from them like fat from a well-baked pork shoulder. I had to bite my lip The order changes; the tradition carries on. Thanks, too much, --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Fireworks
-- Original message -- From: Allan Cobb I would like to apologize to any dogs (or people) who were frightened by the fireworks. The fireworks were not an event planned by TCR. Had I known about them, they would have been announced. Actually, had I known about them in advance, they probably would have been discouraged. I had for many years considered adding commercial type fireworks to the evening entertainment after the awards ceremony at TCR. Imagine being in the canyon at Flat Creek and having fireworks shot from the ledge above breaking over your head and resounding through the cliffs of the valley. But dought and fire bans and the general logistics of it all always precluded it happening. That there might be a few unstable dogs in the crowd never occurred to me. (I knew there were unstable cavers, but that's a different issue.) But the fact that dogs are and have been and hopefully always will be an integral and usually positive part of the TCR experience is something that should be kept in mind--that SOME dogs and fireworks don't mix. Because our good record of well behaved dogs at TCR and the sorry record of misapplied fireworks are in, at least, minor conflict with each other I would argue along with Allan that fireworks be discouraged in the future. While perhaps spectacular, the grief they cause can, in some cases, outweigh the elation. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] A little cave humor
2 Rednecks Two rednecks are out hunting, and as they are walking along they come upon a huge cave in the ground. They approach it and are amazed by the size of it. The first hunter says Wow, that's some cave, I can't even see the bottom, I wonder how deep it is? The second hunter says I don't know, let's throw something down and listen and see how long it takes to hit bottom. The first hunter says There's this old transmission here, give me a hand and we'll throw it in and see. So they pick it up and carry it over, and count one, and two and three, and throw it in the cave. They are standing there listening and looking over the edge and they hear a rustling in the brush behind them. As they turn around they see a goat come crashing through the brush, run up to the cave, and jump in headfirst. While they are standing there looking at each other, looking in the hole, and trying to figure out what that was all about, an old farmer walks up. Say there, says the farmer, you fellers didn't happen to see my goat around here anywhere, did you? The first hunter says Funny you should ask, but we were just standing here a minute ago and a goat came running out of the bushes and jumped headfirst into this cave here! And the old farmer said Why that's impossible, I had him chained to a transmission!
[Texascavers] Mars Caves Forged by Volcanoes and Meteors
Mars Caves Forged by Volcanoes and Meteors Larry O'Hanlon, Discovery News Oct. 29, 2007 -- If Mars looks like a primordial Earth-on-ice, the similarity ends just below the surface where Martian caves are borne not of slow dripping processes but from brief, intensely violent times, say researchers.Oct. 29, 2007 -- If Mars looks like a primordial Earth-on-ice, the similarity ends just below the surface where Martian caves are borne not of slow dripping processes but from brief, intensely violent times, say researchers. Full article at: http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2007/10/29/mars-caves-geology.html Roger Moore Houston Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - http://mail.aol.com
RE: [Texascavers] Mars Caves Forged by Volcanoes and Meteors
I don't know, but in that picture they look more like shadows of ridges than holes in the ground. Maybe it's the focus. From:cavera...@aol.comTo:greater_houston_gro...@yahoogroups.com, Texascavers@texascavers.com, floridacav...@yahoogroups.com, cav...@cs.yale.edu, moca...@lists.umsl.eduSubject:[Texascavers] Mars Caves Forged by Volcanoes and MeteorsDate:Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:48:21 -0400MIME-Version:1.0Received:from raistlin.wokka.org ([69.56.185.90]) by bay0-mc3-f15.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 09:48:37 -0700Received:(qmail 65084 invoked by uid 89); 30 Oct 2007 16:48:38 -Received:(qmail 65075 invoked by uid 31338); 30 Oct 2007 16:48:37 - Mars Caves Forged by Volcanoes and Meteors Larry O'Hanlon, Discovery News Oct. 29, 2007 -- If Mars looks like a primordial Earth-on-ice, the similarity ends just below the surface where Martian caves are borne not of slow dripping processes but from brief, intensely violent times, say researchers.Oct. 29, 2007 -- If Mars looks like a primordial Earth-on-ice, the similarity ends just below the surface where Martian caves are borne not of slow dripping processes but from brief, intensely violent times, say researchers. Full article at: http://dsc.discovery.com/news/2007/10/29/mars-caves-geology.html Roger Moore Houston Email and AIM finally together. You've gotta check out free AOL Mail! - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] fusion energy
Want fusion energy? Take one of those hollowed out salt domes and drop an H-bomb in every so often. Pump in water and take out steam. Unfortunately, the steam will be radioactive and contain all those nice things that fission bombs produce, because nobody knows how to set off an H-bomb without using a fission bomb. (Or if they do, it's a big secret.) Also, H-bombs contain tritium, which is hard to obtain. It's mainly made in certain types of fission reactors. --Mixon - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] fusion energy
How would solar energy fare? Would covering 10% of the earth's surface with 25% efficiency solar panels be enough? On Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:52:33 -0500 bmixon...@austin.rr.com wrote: Want fusion energy? Take one of those hollowed out salt domes and drop an H-bomb in every so often. Pump in water and take out steam. Unfortunately, the steam will be radioactive and contain all those nice things that fission bombs produce, because nobody knows how to set off an H-bomb without using a fission bomb. (Or if they do, it's a big secret.) Also, H-bombs contain tritium, which is hard to obtain. It's mainly made in certain types of fission reactors. --Mixon - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- Lyndon Tiu - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] 2008 SUSS Naked Calendar
Texas Cavers: Sue Widmer(and probably Urs), publishers of the excellent Speleo Calendar in Switzerland, will be in the US in November. They will have the tastefully done 2008 SUSS Naked Calendar from the Sheffield Univ. Speleo Society in Britain. If you would like to order one, contact me via e-mail so I can tell Sue how many to bring. They sell for $17.25 US and the proceeds are split between a cave rescue council and an expedition fund. --Ernie Garza - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Austin Cave Day Festival
Cavers, I want to take this opportunity to thank the cavers who helped make this our 6th annual Cave Day event a resounding success. We had cave visits, and vertical setups that hundreds of kids enjoyed. Matt Turner, UT Grotto Bill Mixon, UT Grotto Justin Shaw, UT Grotto Heather Tucek, UT Grotto Dave Ochel, UT Grotto Gary Franklin, UT Grotto Drew Thompson, UT Grotto Thomas Hallock, UT Grotto Corey Moser, UT Grotto Bill Russell, UT Grotto Lyndon Tiu, Houston Grotto Ron Ralph, UT Grotto (preserve prep help) Despite the comments from some in the caving community, Saturday's event was a huge success. We had mass media coverage and as many of you know the media doesn't ever quite get things right but, much fun was had by all who attended and it would not have been possible nor as successful without the help or cavers and of our other volunteers from the Capital Area Master Naturalists, Boy Scout Troop 395, and from the Village of Western Oaks Neighborhood Assn. Many, many thanks! Jules Jenkins, TCMA Barton Springs Edwards Aquifer Conservation District
[Texascavers] TCR chiggers wiki
-- Original message -- From: Brian Riordan riordan.br...@gmail.com From Wikipedia: The North American genus and species can cause severe illness in children. This only occurs when the infestation is particularly heavy. *Symptoms include a hallucinatory sense of floating outside one's body, fatigue, fever and general malaise.* ** Anybody have chigger bites like that?! Hmmm? I guess one doesn't have to have them all to qualify. There have been several TSA meetings where I experienced an hallucinatory sense of floating outside my body, but I'm fairly sure it had nothing to do with chigger bites--but who knows? Fatigue has been a common theme at the end of most days following hard work or caving and caver politics. Fever is essentially unknown to me except when I have the flu. General Malaise has been a standard symptom throughout my life. It's good to know that I now have something to blame it on. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] solar power
Well, let's see... The dry surface of the earth is about 350 million square kilometers. Average insolation (light power available at the surface, averaging over latitudes, day/night, etc.) is about 250 watts per square meter. This means the total available solar power on land would be about 10^17 watts. On 10 percent of the land at an efficiency of 25% one could get 2x10^15. Current world energy use by man is about 2x10^13 watts, so the answer is yes, but not by as large a factor as one might want. Whose 10 percent of the earth do you want to cover with solar cells? Or even figuring 0.1 percent of the area, which would give the current energy use, that would cost about a million billion dollars, making a very optimistic estimate that the whole electrical system (including storage for night and rainy days, etc.) could be built for $2000 a square meter. Donations invited -- Bill Mixon - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] solar power
One of the MAJOR keys is efficiency, I see people with lights all over the outside of their house lighting it up, that makes NO sense at all, burn baby burn. Appliances and lights are not built to be efficient, houses are not built to be efficient. We don't NEED to live in 4,000 square foot homes, we just WANT to. http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/home.htm If everyone in America lived in one of these with solar strapped to the roof, that 2X10^13 would drop quite a bit. Then look at multiple sources for energy, wind, solar, wave, breeder reactors - (breeders could make the much hyped pipe dream of the current tyrant.. er... I mean Bush administration hydrogen economy a reality) My next home may be one of these depending on where my job/future takes me as I'm already invested in a home. In the end, if you want to do no damage to the environment, stop having kids, the size of the human population has the biggest impact of all. -Original Message- From: Mixon Bill [mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:16 PM To: Cavers Texas Subject: [Texascavers] solar power Well, let's see... The dry surface of the earth is about 350 million square kilometers. Average insolation (light power available at the surface, averaging over latitudes, day/night, etc.) is about 250 watts per square meter. This means the total available solar power on land would be about 10^17 watts. On 10 percent of the land at an efficiency of 25% one could get 2x10^15. Current world energy use by man is about 2x10^13 watts, so the answer is yes, but not by as large a factor as one might want. Whose 10 percent of the earth do you want to cover with solar cells? Or even figuring 0.1 percent of the area, which would give the current energy use, that would cost about a million billion dollars, making a very optimistic estimate that the whole electrical system (including storage for night and rainy days, etc.) could be built for $2000 a square meter. Donations invited -- Bill Mixon - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] solar power
I heard a NPR program about a company named Nano Solar. It's their stated goal to have every roof and the walls of skyscrapers in the country serving as solar collectors and feeding the electrical grid. They're serious and taking the necessary steps. Bill Rick r...@linenoise.net wrote: One of the MAJOR keys is efficiency, I see people with lights all over the outside of their house lighting it up, that makes NO sense at all, burn baby burn. Appliances and lights are not built to be efficient, houses are not built to be efficient. We don't NEED to live in 4,000 square foot homes, we just WANT to. http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/home.htm If everyone in America lived in one of these with solar strapped to the roof, that 2X10^13 would drop quite a bit. Then look at multiple sources for energy, wind, solar, wave, breeder reactors - (breeders could make the much hyped pipe dream of the current tyrant.. er... I mean Bush administration hydrogen economy a reality) My next home may be one of these depending on where my job/future takes me as I'm already invested in a home. In the end, if you want to do no damage to the environment, stop having kids, the size of the human population has the biggest impact of all. -Original Message- From: Mixon Bill [mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:16 PM To: Cavers Texas Subject: [Texascavers] solar power Well, let's see... The dry surface of the earth is about 350 million square kilometers. Average insolation (light power available at the surface, averaging over latitudes, day/night, etc.) is about 250 watts per square meter. This means the total available solar power on land would be about 10^17 watts. On 10 percent of the land at an efficiency of 25% one could get 2x10^15. Current world energy use by man is about 2x10^13 watts, so the answer is yes, but not by as large a factor as one might want. Whose 10 percent of the earth do you want to cover with solar cells? Or even figuring 0.1 percent of the area, which would give the current energy use, that would cost about a million billion dollars, making a very optimistic estimate that the whole electrical system (including storage for night and rainy days, etc.) could be built for $2000 a square meter. Donations invited -- Bill Mixon - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] solar power
this I think is a fun link... http://www.escapeartist.com/OREQ11/Cave_Houses.html Wes~ One of the MAJOR keys is efficiency, I see people with lights all over the outside of their house lighting it up, that makes NO sense at all, burn baby burn. Appliances and lights are not built to be efficient, houses are not built to be efficient. We don't NEED to live in 4,000 square foot homes, we just WANT to. http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/home.htm Date: Tue, 30 Oct 2007 15:40:08 -0700 From: speleoste...@tx.rr.com To: r...@linenoise.net CC: texascavers@texascavers.com; bmixon...@austin.rr.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] solar power I heard a NPR program about a company named Nano Solar. It's their stated goal to have every roof and the walls of skyscrapers in the country serving as solar collectors and feeding the electrical grid. They're serious and taking the necessary steps. Bill Rick r...@linenoise.net wrote: One of the MAJOR keys is efficiency, I see people with lights all over the outside of their house lighting it up, that makes NO sense at all, burn baby burn. Appliances and lights are not built to be efficient, houses are not built to be efficient. We don't NEED to live in 4,000 square foot homes, we just WANT to. http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/home.htm If everyone in America lived in one of these with solar strapped to the roof, that 2X10^13 would drop quite a bit. Then look at multiple sources for energy, wind, solar, wave, breeder reactors - (breeders could make the much hyped pipe dream of the current tyrant.. er... I mean Bush administration hydrogen economy a reality) My next home may be one of these depending on where my job/future takes me as I'm already invested in a home. In the end, if you want to do no damage to the environment, stop having kids, the size of the human population has the biggest impact of all. -Original Message- From: Mixon Bill [mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:16 PM To: Cavers Texas Subject: [Texascavers] solar power Well, let's see... The dry surface of the earth is about 350 million square kilometers. Average insolation (light power available at the surface, averaging over latitudes, day/night, etc.) is about 250 watts per square meter. This means the total available solar power on land would be about 10^17 watts. On 10 percent of the land at an efficiency of 25% one could get 2x10^15. Current world energy use by man is about 2x10^13 watts, so the answer is yes, but not by as large a factor as one might want. Whose 10 percent of the earth do you want to cover with solar cells? Or even figuring 0.1 percent of the area, which would give the current energy use, that would cost about a million billion dollars, making a very optimistic estimate that the whole electrical system (including storage for night and rainy days, etc.) could be built for $2000 a square meter. Donations invited -- Bill Mixon - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com _ Peek-a-boo FREE Tricks Treats for You! http://www.reallivemoms.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHMloc=us
RE: [Texascavers] solar power
I read about a company that was able to make a transparent solar cell, they proposed they could use them on windows of sky scrapers. -Original Message- From: speleoste...@tx.rr.com [mailto:speleoste...@tx.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 5:40 PM To: Rick Cc: 'Cavers Texas'; 'Mixon Bill' Subject: RE: [Texascavers] solar power I heard a NPR program about a company named Nano Solar. It's their stated goal to have every roof and the walls of skyscrapers in the country serving as solar collectors and feeding the electrical grid. They're serious and taking the necessary steps. Bill Rick r...@linenoise.net wrote: One of the MAJOR keys is efficiency, I see people with lights all over the outside of their house lighting it up, that makes NO sense at all, burn baby burn. Appliances and lights are not built to be efficient, houses are not built to be efficient. We don't NEED to live in 4,000 square foot homes, we just WANT to. http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/home.htm If everyone in America lived in one of these with solar strapped to the roof, that 2X10^13 would drop quite a bit. Then look at multiple sources for energy, wind, solar, wave, breeder reactors - (breeders could make the much hyped pipe dream of the current tyrant.. er... I mean Bush administration hydrogen economy a reality) My next home may be one of these depending on where my job/future takes me as I'm already invested in a home. In the end, if you want to do no damage to the environment, stop having kids, the size of the human population has the biggest impact of all. -Original Message- From: Mixon Bill [mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:16 PM To: Cavers Texas Subject: [Texascavers] solar power Well, let's see... The dry surface of the earth is about 350 million square kilometers. Average insolation (light power available at the surface, averaging over latitudes, day/night, etc.) is about 250 watts per square meter. This means the total available solar power on land would be about 10^17 watts. On 10 percent of the land at an efficiency of 25% one could get 2x10^15. Current world energy use by man is about 2x10^13 watts, so the answer is yes, but not by as large a factor as one might want. Whose 10 percent of the earth do you want to cover with solar cells? Or even figuring 0.1 percent of the area, which would give the current energy use, that would cost about a million billion dollars, making a very optimistic estimate that the whole electrical system (including storage for night and rainy days, etc.) could be built for $2000 a square meter. Donations invited -- Bill Mixon - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] solar power
My largest customer, Applied Materials, is already fully invested in structural glass window cells. Its essentially the same process as building up semiconductor wafers only on sheets of glass. I believe they already tested this on a small building with great success. If you think of the surface area of all glass buildings its a massive collector that even with the poorly efficient cells today can generate massive power output. - Original Message - From: speleoste...@tx.rr.com To: Rick r...@linenoise.net Cc: 'Cavers Texas' texascavers@texascavers.com; 'Mixon Bill' bmixon...@austin.rr.com Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 5:40 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] solar power I heard a NPR program about a company named Nano Solar. It's their stated goal to have every roof and the walls of skyscrapers in the country serving as solar collectors and feeding the electrical grid. They're serious and taking the necessary steps. Bill Rick r...@linenoise.net wrote: One of the MAJOR keys is efficiency, I see people with lights all over the outside of their house lighting it up, that makes NO sense at all, burn baby burn. Appliances and lights are not built to be efficient, houses are not built to be efficient. We don't NEED to live in 4,000 square foot homes, we just WANT to. http://www.tumbleweedhouses.com/home.htm If everyone in America lived in one of these with solar strapped to the roof, that 2X10^13 would drop quite a bit. Then look at multiple sources for energy, wind, solar, wave, breeder reactors - (breeders could make the much hyped pipe dream of the current tyrant.. er... I mean Bush administration hydrogen economy a reality) My next home may be one of these depending on where my job/future takes me as I'm already invested in a home. In the end, if you want to do no damage to the environment, stop having kids, the size of the human population has the biggest impact of all. -Original Message- From: Mixon Bill [mailto:bmixon...@austin.rr.com] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 3:16 PM To: Cavers Texas Subject: [Texascavers] solar power Well, let's see... The dry surface of the earth is about 350 million square kilometers. Average insolation (light power available at the surface, averaging over latitudes, day/night, etc.) is about 250 watts per square meter. This means the total available solar power on land would be about 10^17 watts. On 10 percent of the land at an efficiency of 25% one could get 2x10^15. Current world energy use by man is about 2x10^13 watts, so the answer is yes, but not by as large a factor as one might want. Whose 10 percent of the earth do you want to cover with solar cells? Or even figuring 0.1 percent of the area, which would give the current energy use, that would cost about a million billion dollars, making a very optimistic estimate that the whole electrical system (including storage for night and rainy days, etc.) could be built for $2000 a square meter. Donations invited -- Bill Mixon - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Paella bread
-- Original message -- From: Minton, Mark mmin...@nmhu.edu I like Mary Thiesse's friend's comment: If you serve Paella on a piece of bread to a Spaniard, and you tell them that is paella they would probably leave the table. The first paella I ever actually saw was served on (in) a large (20-inch diameter) pizza dough sorta flat bread turned up nearly 2 inches (well, maybe 1-1/2) at the edges (like a Conans deep dish pizza) and that filled with the yellow rice which was topped with the sea food and vegie mixture--including 2 or 3 of what looked like crawfish, probably some sorta small lobster--and mollusks of several sorts still in shell. Eating it was a rather messy proposition (like fried chicken or shrimp or crabs) as it required a lot of food fondling prepatory to actual eating. The whole flat bread/edible pan thing could well have been another variation on the free-form nature of paella in the first place. I will admit that I think no paella I've had since has had the bread bottom--and I have noted that and wondered why not. But the bread bottom certainly made it handier to deal with and eat, sorta like a pizza--as opposed to a loose, gloppy rice food mixture, I mean. My only complaint was the lack of chopped green chiles or salsa picante to take it over the edge to the next dimension of flavor. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] RE: OT- aluminum bottled beer
The beer may not be different, but now you can take a longneck into a TX State park and I guess that's worth something. Jacqui - Original Message - From: Minton, Mark To: Texas Cavers Sent: Monday, October 29, 2007 2:08 PM Subject: [Texascavers] RE: OT- aluminum bottled beer David Locklear said: What is up with the aluminum bottle? Is the only benefit, colder beer? Or colder beer for less energy? I don't think beer in an aluminum bottle is any different than beer in an aluminum can.
Re: [Texascavers] RE: OT- aluminum bottled beer
I don't know a whole lot about this subject, but what about the claim that the sides and bottom of the can don't have enought Al to recycle. I'm told they only recover the Al in the top of the can. I guess they just trask the rest. Mike On Mon, 29 Oct 2007, riordan.br...@gmail.com wrote: Subject: Re: [Texascavers] RE: OT- aluminum bottled beer Date: Mon, 29 Oct 2007 14:18:45 -0500 From: Brian Riordan riordan.br...@gmail.com To: Minton, Mark mmin...@nmhu.edu CC: Texas Cavers texascavers@texascavers.com I had some guy pitch the aluminum bottle as an engineering marvel that makes beer colder somehow... I think the reality of the matter is that aluminum conducts heat far better than glass, so when you put your hand around an aluminum bottle, all the cold from your beer inside is quickly and efficiently being transfered to your warm hand. Glass on the other hand will stay cold on its inner wall and warm on its outer- making it seem like the beer is warmer. In short: aluminum cans and bottles will not only get colder in your cooler quicker, but also get warmer in your hand quicker. - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] RE: OT- aluminum bottled beer
Jacqui Bills said: The beer may not be different, but now you can take a longneck into a TX State park and I guess that's worth something. Is that true? I thought it was the alcohol that was not allowed in state parks, not glass bottles. Are other drinks in glass not allowed? Mike Flannigan said: what about the claim that the sides and bottom of the can don't have enought Al to recycle. I'm told they only recover the Al in the top of the can. I can't believe that's true. For one thing, it would be too much effort to cut off the top. And I'll bet the rest of the can weighs way more then the top. Who cares how little Al is in any particular part of the can - it'll all melt down. I don't buy it. See http://earth911.org/recycling/aluminum-can-recycling/how-is-an-aluminum-can-recycled/. Mark Minton
[Texascavers] TCR chiggers
I've had a report from amongst the AI folks of chigger attacks at TCR. Did anyone else notice them? Big fleas have little fleas Upon their backs to bite 'um; And little fleas have smaller fleas And so, ad infintum --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] TCR chiggers
Gill, I am reporting I had some chigger bites too Anyone who doesn't believe in the Devil has obviously never experienced a rash of chigger bites! Pure Evil... What do they live on when people are not around? Bill - Original Message - From: gi...@att.net To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: [Texascavers] TCR chiggers I've had a report from amongst the AI folks of chigger attacks at TCR. Did anyone else notice them? Big fleas have little fleas Upon their backs to bite 'um; And little fleas have smaller fleas And so, ad infintum --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] TCR chiggers
For more on Chiggers (aka, harvest mites, red bugs, etc), see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvest_miteLouise From:"Bill Bentley" ca...@caver.netTo:gi...@att.net,texascavers@texascavers.comSubject:Re: [Texascavers] TCR chiggersDate:Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:15:25 -0600MIME-Version:1.0Received:from raistlin.wokka.org ([69.56.185.90]) by bay0-mc6-f6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:15:43 -0700Received:(qmail 66615 invoked by uid 89); 30 Oct 2007 17:15:42 -Received:(qmail 66606 invoked by uid 31338); 30 Oct 2007 17:15:42 -Gill, Iam reporting I had some chigger bites tooAnyone who doesn't believe in the Devil has obviously never experienced arash of chigger bites!Pure Evil... What do they live on when people are not around?Bill- Original Message -From: gi...@att.netTo: texascavers@texascavers.comSent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:10 AMSubject: [Texascavers] TCR chiggers I've had a report from amongst the AI folks of chigger attacks at TCR.Did anyone else notice them? Big fleas have little fleas Upon their backs to bite 'um; And little fleas have smaller fleas And so, ad infintum --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] TCR chiggers
From Wikipedia: The North American genus and species can cause severe illness in children. This only occurs when the infestation is particularly heavy. *Symptoms include a hallucinatory sense of floating outside one's body, fatigue, fever and general malaise.* ** Anybody have chigger bites like that?! -B On 10/30/07, Louise Power power_lou...@hotmail.com wrote: For more on Chiggers (aka, harvest mites, red bugs, etc), see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harvest_mite Louise -- From: *Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net* To: *gi...@att.net,texascavers@texascavers.com* Subject: *Re: [Texascavers] TCR chiggers* Date: *Tue, 30 Oct 2007 12:15:25 -0600* MIME-Version: *1.0* Received: *from raistlin.wokka.org ([69.56.185.90]) by bay0-mc6-f6.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 10:15:43 -0700* Received: *(qmail 66615 invoked by uid 89); 30 Oct 2007 17:15:42 -* Received: *(qmail 66606 invoked by uid 31338); 30 Oct 2007 17:15:42 - * Gill, I am reporting I had some chigger bites too Anyone who doesn't believe in the Devil has obviously never experienced a rash of chigger bites! Pure Evil... What do they live on when people are not around? Bill - Original Message - From: gi...@att.net To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 11:10 AM Subject: [Texascavers] TCR chiggers I've had a report from amongst the AI folks of chigger attacks at TCR. Did anyone else notice them? Big fleas have little fleas Upon their backs to bite 'um; And little fleas have smaller fleas And so, ad infintum --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] OT - a personal post
I started a new career today. I closed my previous business yesterday, after 9 years of struggling as a self-employed person. I had a theory that if I were self-employed, I would be in control of my free-time and could go caving whenever I wanted. But it didn't go as planned. At my new job, I am sitting behind a computer in a very dusty machine shop for 8 hours a day or more, and I will no longer have the time or the desire to surf the web, and go shopping for LED lights. So I doubt I will be posting much of anything for the next couple of months.( I hear people shouting - Hoorah ! ) In addition, I will no longer be driving much, so my mileage reports on my fuel-efficient vehicles won't be of much interest. I will leave it at that, but feel free to e-mail me privately if you would like to hear more about my mid-life career change. David Locklear caver in Fort Bend County - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Paella
-- Original message -- From: Denise P pepabe...@hotmail.com Paella-Delicious Spanish dish courtesy of Mr. Tommy Jo of Houston, Paella (pi A ya) is popular dish, ostensibly Spanish. However, I have never been able to find anybody who could tell me EXACTLY what the composition or nature of paella is or should be--in Spain or anywhere else. Furthermore, I have never had paella (or what was called or passed off as paella) served to me in the same form or fashion or combination of ingredients the same way 2wice. It appears to be a hodgepodge food. The first time it was described to me it was claimed to be as popularly served in Spain and much resembled a pizza. Served on a large round flat bread like a pizza crust and piled an inch or two high with various previously cooked sea foods and vegetables and other items (perhaps and probably including pork), depending on what happened to be available at the market that day. Even then it was described as non-descript. Since then I've had what was called paella (recipes abound in women's magazines) served in a dozen or more different forms (as glop or even soup/stew), over rice and noodles, even. But basically, I think, the overridding theme of paella is the conglomeration of sea food with other (practically any other) added ingredients. The need for it to be served on a flat bread seems to be fading. --Ediger - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Re: [Texascavers] Paella
Paella, like most famous regional foods, bouillabase and migas come to mind, was originally peasant eat whatever you've got on hand food. It is laughable to see strict recipes dedicated to going out and buying specific ingredients to create - left overs. Nance - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
RE: [Texascavers] Paella
I have had paella several times in northern Spain, in restaurants and in the homes of residents there. Each time it was similar, maybe a regional Cantabrian variation of the dish, but it was best described as a rice casserole with fish and seafood cooked in. I believe the fish and then seafood (each time scallops and clams but sometimes shrimp) were simmered in a rue, then rice added and the dish covered until the rice was ready. In one home sprigs from an herb garden were cooked in, I really wasn't into herbs then (you know, cooking herbs) but in retrospect the plants might have been rosemary, thyme, and oregano. All this makes me hungry... -Original Message- From: gi...@att.net [mailto:gi...@att.net] Sent: Tuesday, October 30, 2007 8:24 AM To: texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: [Texascavers] Paella -- Original message -- From: Denise P pepabe...@hotmail.com Paella-Delicious Spanish dish courtesy of Mr. Tommy Jo of Houston, Paella (pi A ya) is popular dish, ostensibly Spanish. However, I have never been able to find anybody who could tell me EXACTLY what the composition or nature of paella is or should be--in Spain or anywhere else. Furthermore, I have never had paella (or what was called or passed off as paella) served to me in the same form or fashion or combination of ingredients the same way 2wice. It appears to be a hodgepodge food... - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
Fw: Fw: [Texascavers] Paella
I asked a good friend who grew up in Venezuela how he would describe Paella and this is his response. He makes an awesome Paella. Mary TZ Hello Mary... Here is my take on the subject Paella is basically a rice dish is made on a flat pan, called Paellera. Each region of Spain has their own version. The equivalent dish in US cuisine (or Cajun) would be Jambalaya. Paella is made with different ingredients depending on the region of Spain. Some people use seafood only (shellfish, lobster in some cases, shrimp a must in every region and fish stock), others use seafood with pork, chicken, or rabbit, others use a combination of either protein with more vegetables. There are endless combinations. The one I made for you was only seafood; remember that we have several vegans and muslin's in our group so poultry or pork was out of the question. I hope this clear everything... Love David. PS: Let me clarify something, in Spain every region is very proud of their heritage, they claim to have the best of everything and each region use what they have available to make the paella. Each region had very specific ingredients for their dish, all the variation you see now a days, is the result of the internationalization of food. If you serve Paella on a piece of bread to a Spaniard, and you tell them that is paella they would probably leave the table. __ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com
RE: [Texascavers] Paella
I had paella in Barcelona and thought I'd died and gone to heaven. The traditional dish has a variety of veggies, seafood and chicken sort of stir fried in olive oil ina large shallow pan and served with rice that has been cooked with saffron. It is served there in a large shallow dish or plate with a deep edge. It's wonderful!Louise From:gi...@att.netTo:texascavers@texascavers.comSubject:[Texascavers] PaellaDate:Tue, 30 Oct 2007 13:23:44 +X-Originating-IP:[204.127.218.107]Received:from raistlin.wokka.org ([69.56.185.90]) by bay0-mc5-f2.bay0.hotmail.com with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.2668); Tue, 30 Oct 2007 06:23:57 -0700Received:(qmail 58699 invoked by uid 89); 30 Oct 2007 13:23:57 -Received:(qmail 58690 invoked by uid 31338); 30 Oct 2007 13:23:57 --- Original message --From: "Denise P" pepabe...@hotmail.com Paella-Delicious Spanish dish courtesy of Mr. Tommy Jo of Houston, Paella (pi A ya) is popular dish, ostensibly Spanish. However, I have never been able to find anybody who could tell me EXACTLY what the composition or nature of paella is or should be--in Spain or anywhere else. Furthermore, I have never had paella (or what was called or passed off as paella) served to me in the same form or fashion or combination of ingredients the same way 2wice. It appears to be a hodgepodge food.The first time it was described to me it was claimed to be as popularly served in Spain and much resembled a pizza. Served on a large round flat bread like a pizza crust and piled an inch or two high with various previously cooked sea foods and vegetables and other items (perhaps and probably including pork), depending on what happened to be available at the market that day. Even then it was described as non-descript.Since then I've had what was called paella (recipes abound in women's magazines) served in a dozen or more different forms (as glop or even soup/stew), over rice and noodles, even.But basically, I think, the overridding theme of paella is the conglomeration of sea food with other (practically any other) added ingredients. The need for it to be served on a flat bread seems to be fading.--Ediger-Visit our website: http://texascavers.comTo unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.comFor additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] RE: Paella
Ediger said: But basically, I think, the overridding theme of paella is the conglomeration of sea food with other (practically any other) added ingredients. The need for it to be served on a flat bread seems to be fading. The other necessary ingredient is rice. I've never heard of Paella over bread or noodles. I like Mary Thiesse's friend's comment: If you serve Paella on a piece of bread to a Spaniard, and you tell them that is paella they would probably leave the table. The first paella I ever had was in Baja California near Ensenada. It was spectacular, with all manner of seafood including tiny octopus. It also had chicken and chorizo. Yum! Mark Minton
[Texascavers] 2008 SUSS calendar
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Re: [Texascavers] TCR chiggers wiki solar nano power and re-recycling
How nano power solar chiggers genetically designed to feed on ticks and mosquitoes and they leave crude oil and aluminum as a by product? Bill - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
