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I second everything that Mark said below about the StenLight. A dab of dielectric grease on the connector seems to do the trick. Exceptional customer service. They sent me a waterproof battery pack at one point but the thing is pretty bulky compared to the standard pack and won't stay on the helmet using the velcro they provide. I just strap it down like every other battery pack. Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com From: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 8:37:40 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Whatever kind of light you get, you'll definitely want to go with LEDs. Incandescent just can't compete when it comes to brightness and battery life. And for batteries, you can't beat lithium ion. They are small, lightweight, long-lasting, very reliable and much cheaper in the long run over disposable types. I dislike waist-mounted battery packs with their respective cords, but with lithium ion you can easily mount the battery on the helmet. For my money, the Sten Light is the best available for general caving. It is not a diving light, but it is definitely waterproof enough to use on any normal trip, even in a wet cave like Honey Creek. According to their web site it is waterproof to 8 meters, which is enough for anything most cavers will encounter. I've worn mine on free dives a couple of meters deep with no problem. The cord connector, while definitely not watertight, has never been a problem for me. They're not cheap, but a very worthwhile investment. They also have excellent customer service and will usually repair any problem short of actual abuse for free. Mark At 04:54 PM 6/13/2011, Stefan Creaser wrote: I second the durability of FX-2's; I've had mine for more than 15yrs and it's still going strong. It's outlasted numerous helmet mounted lights, though it is more robustly made (for caving). Looks like you can still get old ones: http://www.thecavingandclimbingshop.com/epages/BT3421.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT3421/Categories/Caving_Equipment/Lighting%5B1%5D/SpeleoTechnics s http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300555317667 Cheers, Stefan From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:26 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Tim Stich; Don Arburn; Mallory Mayeux; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light. Josh On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory's original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stich Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr
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Do I need to bring free tubes of Dialectirc Silicone Grease to TCR? - Original Message - tFrom: Andy Gluesenkamp To: Mark Minton ; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I second everything that Mark said below about the StenLight. A dab of dielectric grease on the connector seems to do the trick. Exceptional customer service. They sent me a waterproof battery pack at one point but the thing is pretty bulky compared to the standard pack and won't stay on the helmet using the velcro they provide. I just strap it down like every other battery pack. Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com -- From: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 8:37:40 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Whatever kind of light you get, you'll definitely want to go with LEDs. Incandescent just can't compete when it comes to brightness and battery life. And for batteries, you can't beat lithium ion. They are small, lightweight, long-lasting, very reliable and much cheaper in the long run over disposable types. I dislike waist-mounted battery packs with their respective cords, but with lithium ion you can easily mount the battery on the helmet. For my money, the Sten Light is the best available for general caving. It is not a diving light, but it is definitely waterproof enough to use on any normal trip, even in a wet cave like Honey Creek. According to their web site it is waterproof to 8 meters, which is enough for anything most cavers will encounter. I've worn mine on free dives a couple of meters deep with no problem. The cord connector, while definitely not watertight, has never been a problem for me. They're not cheap, but a very worthwhile investment. They also have excellent customer service and will usually repair any problem short of actual abuse for free. Mark At 04:54 PM 6/13/2011, Stefan Creaser wrote: I second the durability of FX-2's; I've had mine for more than 15yrs and it's still going strong. It's outlasted numerous helmet mounted lights, though it is more robustly made (for caving). Looks like you can still get old ones: http://www.thecavingandclimbingshop.com/epages/BT3421.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT3421/Categories/Caving_Equipment/Lighting%5B1%5D/SpeleoTechnics http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300555317667 Cheers, Stefan From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:26 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Tim Stich; Don Arburn; Mallory Mayeux; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light. Josh On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory's original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stich Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea
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Thanks everyone! It's nice to see lively discussion on Cavetex...it's been eerily quiet since David left. I currently have a Princeton Apex Tec, which is nice, especially for the price, but I think it's time for a brighter light. Roger Moore has very generously offered to loan me his new Sten until I upgrade, but I wanted to start getting opinions because discussing gear is so fun. :) I've seen several cavers with the Duo, so thanks for the insight. Waterproof is important for me, since I don't want to have to switch out lights between water and dry caves. I think my current plan is to go ahead and save up for a Sten, unless I see a Petzl Duo on some sort of super-sale somewhere. -Mallory
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For the wrestling pit? From: Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net] Do I need to bring free tubes of Dialectirc Silicone Grease to TCR? -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
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I'm in love with the Scurion, Mallory, since Bill Steele so generously let me borrow Michael Cicherski's at Jester Cave earlier this year. But, alas, I don't have $700 laying around for one. Talk about a nice, rugged light! I have the Princeton Apex Tec, as well as having bought three for my kids. We've had good luck, for the most part, but mine did start acting up where I couldn't turn it off. I took out the batteries, and put them back in. Now it won't come on. I have sent them an email on getting it repaired (they have a lifetime warranty), but haven't heard back. Suggestions? Mark From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:35 AM To: caverarch Cc: a...@oztotl.com; timstic...@gmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Thanks everyone! It's nice to see lively discussion on Cavetex...it's been eerily quiet since David left. I currently have a Princeton Apex Tec, which is nice, especially for the price, but I think it's time for a brighter light. Roger Moore has very generously offered to loan me his new Sten until I upgrade, but I wanted to start getting opinions because discussing gear is so fun. :) I've seen several cavers with the Duo, so thanks for the insight. Waterproof is important for me, since I don't want to have to switch out lights between water and dry caves. I think my current plan is to go ahead and save up for a Sten, unless I see a Petzl Duo on some sort of super-sale somewhere. -Mallory
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I was going to go there, but, thought better of it, Stefan! I guess degenerate minds do think alike! Mark From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:40 AM To: Bill Bentley; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question For the wrestling pit? From: Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net] Do I need to bring free tubes of Dialectirc Silicone Grease to TCR? -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
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A true caver doesn't know the bottom of the pit ;-) (Does that make this on topic?) From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:41 AM To: Stefan Creaser; Bill Bentley; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I was going to go there, but, thought better of it, Stefan! I guess degenerate minds do think alike! Mark From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:40 AM To: Bill Bentley; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question For the wrestling pit? From: Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net] Do I need to bring free tubes of Dialectirc Silicone Grease to TCR? -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
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I've sent an Apex a Yukon both back. I went to their web site and emailed from there. They sent me a return number. I sent them in and had new lights in less than a month. Steve across the creek in KY I GoodSearch for American Cave Conservation Association. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! _http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=908162_ (http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=842245) Take nothing but pictures, kill nothing but time, leave nothing but footprints In a message dated 6/14/2011 12:41:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark.al...@l-3com.com writes: I’m in love with the Scurion, Mallory, since Bill Steele so generously let me borrow Michael Cicherski’s at Jester Cave earlier this year. But, alas, I don’t have $700 laying around for one. Talk about a nice, rugged light! I have the Princeton Apex Tec, as well as having bought three for my kids. We’ve had good luck, for the most part, but mine did start acting up where I couldn’t turn it off. I took out the batteries, and put them back in. Now it won’t come on. I have sent them an email on getting it repaired (they have a lifetime warranty), but haven’t heard back. Suggestions? Mark From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:35 AM To: caverarch Cc: a...@oztotl.com; timstic...@gmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Thanks everyone! It's nice to see lively discussion on Cavetex...it's been eerily quiet since David left. I currently have a Princeton Apex Tec, which is nice, especially for the price, but I think it's time for a brighter light. Roger Moore has very generously offered to loan me his new Sten until I upgrade, but I wanted to start getting opinions because discussing gear is so fun. :) I've seen several cavers with the Duo, so thanks for the insight. Waterproof is important for me, since I don't want to have to switch out lights between water and dry caves. I think my current plan is to go ahead and save up for a Sten, unless I see a Petzl Duo on some sort of super-sale somewhere. -Mallory
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Can the same grease be used on silicone o-rings and seals? (ie. things not necessarily needing to conduct electricity) -WaV On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net wrote: Do I need to bring free tubes of Dialectirc Silicone Grease to TCR? - Original Message - t*From:* Andy Gluesenkampandrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com *To:* Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net ; texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2011 7:25 AM *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I second everything that Mark said below about the StenLight. A dab of dielectric grease on the connector seems to do the trick. Exceptional customer service. They sent me a waterproof battery pack at one point but the thing is pretty bulky compared to the standard pack and won't stay on the helmet using the velcro they provide. I just strap it down like every other battery pack. Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com -- *From:* Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Mon, June 13, 2011 8:37:40 PM *Subject:* RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Whatever kind of light you get, you'll definitely want to go with LEDs. Incandescent just can't compete when it comes to brightness and battery life. And for batteries, you can't beat lithium ion. They are small, lightweight, long-lasting, very reliable and much cheaper in the long run over disposable types. I dislike waist-mounted battery packs with their respective cords, but with lithium ion you can easily mount the battery on the helmet. For my money, the Sten Light is the best available for general caving. It is not a diving light, but it is definitely waterproof enough to use on any normal trip, even in a wet cave like Honey Creek. According to their web site it is waterproof to 8 meters, which is enough for anything most cavers will encounter. I've worn mine on free dives a couple of meters deep with no problem. The cord connector, while definitely not watertight, has never been a problem for me. They're not cheap, but a very worthwhile investment. They also have excellent customer service and will usually repair any problem short of actual abuse for free. Mark At 04:54 PM 6/13/2011, Stefan Creaser wrote: I second the durability of FX-2's; I've had mine for more than 15yrs and it's still going strong. It's outlasted numerous helmet mounted lights, though it is more robustly made (for caving). Looks like you can still get old ones: http://www.thecavingandclimbingshop.com/epages/BT3421.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT3421/Categories/Caving_Equipment/Lighting%5B1%5D/SpeleoTechnics http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300555317667 Cheers, Stefan From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:26 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Tim Stich; Don Arburn; Mallory Mayeux; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light. Josh On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory's original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stich Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone
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I've used the Apex for a while. The first time I used it in Longhorn Caverns, the electronics went wacky, and drying it at home didn't help. Got a replacement, of course, but I shouldn't have had to. I'm tired of Princeton Tec. Probably sent 10 lights back to them over the years. A good warranty is nice, but reliability is nicer. Dale On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:53 AM, sgentry...@aol.com wrote: *I've sent an Apex a Yukon both back. I went to their web site and emailed from there. They sent me a return number. I sent them in and had new lights in less than a month.* *Steve* *across the creek in KY** I GoodSearch for American Cave Conservation Association. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=908162http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=842245 * Take nothing but pictures, kill nothing but time, leave nothing but footprints In a message dated 6/14/2011 12:41:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark.al...@l-3com.com writes: I’m in love with the Scurion, Mallory, since Bill Steele so generously let me borrow Michael Cicherski’s at Jester Cave earlier this year. But, alas, I don’t have $700 laying around for one. Talk about a nice, rugged light! I have the Princeton Apex Tec, as well as having bought three for my kids. We’ve had good luck, for the most part, but mine did start acting up where I couldn’t turn it off. I took out the batteries, and put them back in. Now it won’t come on. I have sent them an email on getting it repaired (they have a lifetime warranty), but haven’t heard back. Suggestions? Mark *From:* Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:35 AM *To:* caverarch *Cc:* a...@oztotl.com; timstic...@gmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Thanks everyone! It's nice to see lively discussion on Cavetex...it's been eerily quiet since David left. I currently have a Princeton Apex Tec, which is nice, especially for the price, but I think it's time for a brighter light. Roger Moore has very generously offered to loan me his new Sten until I upgrade, but I wanted to start getting opinions because discussing gear is so fun. :) I've seen several cavers with the Duo, so thanks for the insight. Waterproof is important for me, since I don't want to have to switch out lights between water and dry caves. I think my current plan is to go ahead and save up for a Sten, unless I see a Petzl Duo on some sort of super-sale somewhere. -Mallory -- My technical blog: http://dalebarnardonwpf.wordpress.com/
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I bought my Duo thinking it was waterproof - it is not. It does has seals, so at least it tries to be waterproof - perhaps with enough silicon grease it would be. At least when water got in to the head, nothing was really affected as there's no electronics in it. -WaV On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone! It's nice to see lively discussion on Cavetex...it's been eerily quiet since David left. I currently have a Princeton Apex Tec, which is nice, especially for the price, but I think it's time for a brighter light. Roger Moore has very generously offered to loan me his new Sten until I upgrade, but I wanted to start getting opinions because discussing gear is so fun. :) I've seen several cavers with the Duo, so thanks for the insight. Waterproof is important for me, since I don't want to have to switch out lights between water and dry caves. I think my current plan is to go ahead and save up for a Sten, unless I see a Petzl Duo on some sort of super-sale somewhere. -Mallory
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I agree on the great thread that has been going on this topoc. But you can also borrow my FX-2, Mal, of the type Stefan likes. It's fresh out of the box and untried like the Sten. I bet it even still has some traces of NM cave mud since it hasn't been underground since before decon started. Roger -Original Message- From: Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com To: caverarch cavera...@aol.com Cc: a...@oztotl.com; timstic...@gmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:35 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Thanks everyone! It's nice to see lively discussion on Cavetex...it's been eerily quiet since David left. I currently have a Princeton Apex Tec, which is nice, especially for the price, but I think it's time for a brighter light. Roger Moore has very generously offered to loan me his new Sten until I upgrade, but I wanted to start getting opinions because discussing gear is so fun. :) I've seen several cavers with the Duo, so thanks for the insight. Waterproof is important for me, since I don't want to have to switch out lights between water and dry caves. I think my current plan is to go ahead and save up for a Sten, unless I see a Petzl Duo on some sort of super-sale somewhere. -Mallory
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You still need to coat the batter compartment of a waterproof light with grease since it will get moisture in there anyway, and that's enough for corrosion to start. Petroleum jelly works fine. No need for fancy grease. On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: I bought my Duo thinking it was waterproof - it is not. It does has seals, so at least it tries to be waterproof - perhaps with enough silicon grease it would be. At least when water got in to the head, nothing was really affected as there's no electronics in it. -WaV On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks everyone! It's nice to see lively discussion on Cavetex...it's been eerily quiet since David left. I currently have a Princeton Apex Tec, which is nice, especially for the price, but I think it's time for a brighter light. Roger Moore has very generously offered to loan me his new Sten until I upgrade, but I wanted to start getting opinions because discussing gear is so fun. :) I've seen several cavers with the Duo, so thanks for the insight. Waterproof is important for me, since I don't want to have to switch out lights between water and dry caves. I think my current plan is to go ahead and save up for a Sten, unless I see a Petzl Duo on some sort of super-sale somewhere. -Mallory
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I meant to say that the FX-2 is NOT fresh out, of the box. Just that, like me, it hasn't been in any tough caves in a decade or so! Roger -Original Message- From: caverarch cavera...@aol.com To: mmay...@gmail.com Cc: a...@oztotl.com; timstic...@gmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I agree on the great thread that has been going on this topoc. But you can also borrow my FX-2, Mal, of the type Stefan likes. It's fresh out of the box and untried like the Sten. I bet it even still has some traces of NM cave mud since it hasn't been underground since before decon started. Roger -Original Message- From: Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com To: caverarch cavera...@aol.com Cc: a...@oztotl.com; timstic...@gmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:35 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Thanks everyone! It's nice to see lively discussion on Cavetex...it's been eerily quiet since David left. I currently have a Princeton Apex Tec, which is nice, especially for the price, but I think it's time for a brighter light. Roger Moore has very generously offered to loan me his new Sten until I upgrade, but I wanted to start getting opinions because discussing gear is so fun. :) I've seen several cavers with the Duo, so thanks for the insight. Waterproof is important for me, since I don't want to have to switch out lights between water and dry caves. I think my current plan is to go ahead and save up for a Sten, unless I see a Petzl Duo on some sort of super-sale somewhere. -Mallory
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Don, Any type of silicone grease will likely work for any application requiring waterproofing. I think they're all waterproof by nature. As far as I know, no silicone grease will actually conduct electricity. Rather, they just do not hinder it. Mark At 01:09 PM 6/14/2011, Don Cooper wrote: Can the same grease be used on silicone o-rings and seals? (ie. things not necessarily needing to conduct electricity) -WaV On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net wrote: Do I need to bring free tubes of Dialectirc Silicone Grease to TCR? - Original Message - tFrom: Andy Gluesenkamp To: Mark Minton ; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I second everything that Mark said below about the StenLight. A dab of dielectric grease on the connector seems to do the trick. Exceptional customer service. They sent me a waterproof battery pack at one point but the thing is pretty bulky compared to the standard pack and won't stay on the helmet using the velcro they provide. I just strap it down like every other battery pack. Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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I second everything that Mark said below about the StenLight. A dab of dielectric grease on the connector seems to do the trick. Exceptional customer service. They sent me a waterproof battery pack at one point but the thing is pretty bulky compared to the standard pack and won't stay on the helmet using the velcro they provide. I just strap it down like every other battery pack. Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com From: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 8:37:40 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Whatever kind of light you get, you'll definitely want to go with LEDs. Incandescent just can't compete when it comes to brightness and battery life. And for batteries, you can't beat lithium ion. They are small, lightweight, long-lasting, very reliable and much cheaper in the long run over disposable types. I dislike waist-mounted battery packs with their respective cords, but with lithium ion you can easily mount the battery on the helmet. For my money, the Sten Light is the best available for general caving. It is not a diving light, but it is definitely waterproof enough to use on any normal trip, even in a wet cave like Honey Creek. According to their web site it is waterproof to 8 meters, which is enough for anything most cavers will encounter. I've worn mine on free dives a couple of meters deep with no problem. The cord connector, while definitely not watertight, has never been a problem for me. They're not cheap, but a very worthwhile investment. They also have excellent customer service and will usually repair any problem short of actual abuse for free. Mark At 04:54 PM 6/13/2011, Stefan Creaser wrote: I second the durability of FX-2's; I've had mine for more than 15yrs and it's still going strong. It's outlasted numerous helmet mounted lights, though it is more robustly made (for caving). Looks like you can still get old ones: http://www.thecavingandclimbingshop.com/epages/BT3421.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT3421/Categories/Caving_Equipment/Lighting%5B1%5D/SpeleoTechnics s http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300555317667 Cheers, Stefan From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:26 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Tim Stich; Don Arburn; Mallory Mayeux; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light. Josh On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory's original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stich Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr
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Do I need to bring free tubes of Dialectirc Silicone Grease to TCR? - Original Message - tFrom: Andy Gluesenkamp To: Mark Minton ; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I second everything that Mark said below about the StenLight. A dab of dielectric grease on the connector seems to do the trick. Exceptional customer service. They sent me a waterproof battery pack at one point but the thing is pretty bulky compared to the standard pack and won't stay on the helmet using the velcro they provide. I just strap it down like every other battery pack. Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com -- From: Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net To: texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Mon, June 13, 2011 8:37:40 PM Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Whatever kind of light you get, you'll definitely want to go with LEDs. Incandescent just can't compete when it comes to brightness and battery life. And for batteries, you can't beat lithium ion. They are small, lightweight, long-lasting, very reliable and much cheaper in the long run over disposable types. I dislike waist-mounted battery packs with their respective cords, but with lithium ion you can easily mount the battery on the helmet. For my money, the Sten Light is the best available for general caving. It is not a diving light, but it is definitely waterproof enough to use on any normal trip, even in a wet cave like Honey Creek. According to their web site it is waterproof to 8 meters, which is enough for anything most cavers will encounter. I've worn mine on free dives a couple of meters deep with no problem. The cord connector, while definitely not watertight, has never been a problem for me. They're not cheap, but a very worthwhile investment. They also have excellent customer service and will usually repair any problem short of actual abuse for free. Mark At 04:54 PM 6/13/2011, Stefan Creaser wrote: I second the durability of FX-2's; I've had mine for more than 15yrs and it's still going strong. It's outlasted numerous helmet mounted lights, though it is more robustly made (for caving). Looks like you can still get old ones: http://www.thecavingandclimbingshop.com/epages/BT3421.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT3421/Categories/Caving_Equipment/Lighting%5B1%5D/SpeleoTechnics http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300555317667 Cheers, Stefan From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:26 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Tim Stich; Don Arburn; Mallory Mayeux; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light. Josh On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory's original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stich Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea
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Thanks everyone! It's nice to see lively discussion on Cavetex...it's been eerily quiet since David left. I currently have a Princeton Apex Tec, which is nice, especially for the price, but I think it's time for a brighter light. Roger Moore has very generously offered to loan me his new Sten until I upgrade, but I wanted to start getting opinions because discussing gear is so fun. :) I've seen several cavers with the Duo, so thanks for the insight. Waterproof is important for me, since I don't want to have to switch out lights between water and dry caves. I think my current plan is to go ahead and save up for a Sten, unless I see a Petzl Duo on some sort of super-sale somewhere. -Mallory
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For the wrestling pit? From: Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net] Do I need to bring free tubes of Dialectirc Silicone Grease to TCR? -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
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I'm in love with the Scurion, Mallory, since Bill Steele so generously let me borrow Michael Cicherski's at Jester Cave earlier this year. But, alas, I don't have $700 laying around for one. Talk about a nice, rugged light! I have the Princeton Apex Tec, as well as having bought three for my kids. We've had good luck, for the most part, but mine did start acting up where I couldn't turn it off. I took out the batteries, and put them back in. Now it won't come on. I have sent them an email on getting it repaired (they have a lifetime warranty), but haven't heard back. Suggestions? Mark From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:35 AM To: caverarch Cc: a...@oztotl.com; timstic...@gmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Thanks everyone! It's nice to see lively discussion on Cavetex...it's been eerily quiet since David left. I currently have a Princeton Apex Tec, which is nice, especially for the price, but I think it's time for a brighter light. Roger Moore has very generously offered to loan me his new Sten until I upgrade, but I wanted to start getting opinions because discussing gear is so fun. :) I've seen several cavers with the Duo, so thanks for the insight. Waterproof is important for me, since I don't want to have to switch out lights between water and dry caves. I think my current plan is to go ahead and save up for a Sten, unless I see a Petzl Duo on some sort of super-sale somewhere. -Mallory
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I was going to go there, but, thought better of it, Stefan! I guess degenerate minds do think alike! Mark From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:40 AM To: Bill Bentley; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question For the wrestling pit? From: Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net] Do I need to bring free tubes of Dialectirc Silicone Grease to TCR? -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
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A true caver doesn't know the bottom of the pit ;-) (Does that make this on topic?) From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:41 AM To: Stefan Creaser; Bill Bentley; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I was going to go there, but, thought better of it, Stefan! I guess degenerate minds do think alike! Mark From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:40 AM To: Bill Bentley; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question For the wrestling pit? From: Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net] Do I need to bring free tubes of Dialectirc Silicone Grease to TCR? -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
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I've sent an Apex a Yukon both back. I went to their web site and emailed from there. They sent me a return number. I sent them in and had new lights in less than a month. Steve across the creek in KY I GoodSearch for American Cave Conservation Association. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! _http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=908162_ (http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=842245) Take nothing but pictures, kill nothing but time, leave nothing but footprints In a message dated 6/14/2011 12:41:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark.al...@l-3com.com writes: I’m in love with the Scurion, Mallory, since Bill Steele so generously let me borrow Michael Cicherski’s at Jester Cave earlier this year. But, alas, I don’t have $700 laying around for one. Talk about a nice, rugged light! I have the Princeton Apex Tec, as well as having bought three for my kids. We’ve had good luck, for the most part, but mine did start acting up where I couldn’t turn it off. I took out the batteries, and put them back in. Now it won’t come on. I have sent them an email on getting it repaired (they have a lifetime warranty), but haven’t heard back. Suggestions? Mark From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:35 AM To: caverarch Cc: a...@oztotl.com; timstic...@gmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Thanks everyone! It's nice to see lively discussion on Cavetex...it's been eerily quiet since David left. I currently have a Princeton Apex Tec, which is nice, especially for the price, but I think it's time for a brighter light. Roger Moore has very generously offered to loan me his new Sten until I upgrade, but I wanted to start getting opinions because discussing gear is so fun. :) I've seen several cavers with the Duo, so thanks for the insight. Waterproof is important for me, since I don't want to have to switch out lights between water and dry caves. I think my current plan is to go ahead and save up for a Sten, unless I see a Petzl Duo on some sort of super-sale somewhere. -Mallory
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Can the same grease be used on silicone o-rings and seals? (ie. things not necessarily needing to conduct electricity) -WaV On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net wrote: Do I need to bring free tubes of Dialectirc Silicone Grease to TCR? - Original Message - t*From:* Andy Gluesenkampandrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com *To:* Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net ; texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2011 7:25 AM *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I second everything that Mark said below about the StenLight. A dab of dielectric grease on the connector seems to do the trick. Exceptional customer service. They sent me a waterproof battery pack at one point but the thing is pretty bulky compared to the standard pack and won't stay on the helmet using the velcro they provide. I just strap it down like every other battery pack. Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com -- *From:* Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Mon, June 13, 2011 8:37:40 PM *Subject:* RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Whatever kind of light you get, you'll definitely want to go with LEDs. Incandescent just can't compete when it comes to brightness and battery life. And for batteries, you can't beat lithium ion. They are small, lightweight, long-lasting, very reliable and much cheaper in the long run over disposable types. I dislike waist-mounted battery packs with their respective cords, but with lithium ion you can easily mount the battery on the helmet. For my money, the Sten Light is the best available for general caving. It is not a diving light, but it is definitely waterproof enough to use on any normal trip, even in a wet cave like Honey Creek. According to their web site it is waterproof to 8 meters, which is enough for anything most cavers will encounter. I've worn mine on free dives a couple of meters deep with no problem. The cord connector, while definitely not watertight, has never been a problem for me. They're not cheap, but a very worthwhile investment. They also have excellent customer service and will usually repair any problem short of actual abuse for free. Mark At 04:54 PM 6/13/2011, Stefan Creaser wrote: I second the durability of FX-2's; I've had mine for more than 15yrs and it's still going strong. It's outlasted numerous helmet mounted lights, though it is more robustly made (for caving). Looks like you can still get old ones: http://www.thecavingandclimbingshop.com/epages/BT3421.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT3421/Categories/Caving_Equipment/Lighting%5B1%5D/SpeleoTechnics http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300555317667 Cheers, Stefan From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:26 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Tim Stich; Don Arburn; Mallory Mayeux; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light. Josh On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory's original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stich Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone
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I've used the Apex for a while. The first time I used it in Longhorn Caverns, the electronics went wacky, and drying it at home didn't help. Got a replacement, of course, but I shouldn't have had to. I'm tired of Princeton Tec. Probably sent 10 lights back to them over the years. A good warranty is nice, but reliability is nicer. Dale On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:53 AM, sgentry...@aol.com wrote: *I've sent an Apex a Yukon both back. I went to their web site and emailed from there. They sent me a return number. I sent them in and had new lights in less than a month.* *Steve* *across the creek in KY** I GoodSearch for American Cave Conservation Association. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=908162http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=842245 * Take nothing but pictures, kill nothing but time, leave nothing but footprints In a message dated 6/14/2011 12:41:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark.al...@l-3com.com writes: I’m in love with the Scurion, Mallory, since Bill Steele so generously let me borrow Michael Cicherski’s at Jester Cave earlier this year. But, alas, I don’t have $700 laying around for one. Talk about a nice, rugged light! I have the Princeton Apex Tec, as well as having bought three for my kids. We’ve had good luck, for the most part, but mine did start acting up where I couldn’t turn it off. I took out the batteries, and put them back in. Now it won’t come on. I have sent them an email on getting it repaired (they have a lifetime warranty), but haven’t heard back. Suggestions? Mark *From:* Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com] *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:35 AM *To:* caverarch *Cc:* a...@oztotl.com; timstic...@gmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Thanks everyone! It's nice to see lively discussion on Cavetex...it's been eerily quiet since David left. I currently have a Princeton Apex Tec, which is nice, especially for the price, but I think it's time for a brighter light. Roger Moore has very generously offered to loan me his new Sten until I upgrade, but I wanted to start getting opinions because discussing gear is so fun. :) I've seen several cavers with the Duo, so thanks for the insight. Waterproof is important for me, since I don't want to have to switch out lights between water and dry caves. I think my current plan is to go ahead and save up for a Sten, unless I see a Petzl Duo on some sort of super-sale somewhere. -Mallory -- My technical blog: http://dalebarnardonwpf.wordpress.com/
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I bought my Duo thinking it was waterproof - it is not. It does has seals, so at least it tries to be waterproof - perhaps with enough silicon grease it would be. At least when water got in to the head, nothing was really affected as there's no electronics in it. -WaV On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone! It's nice to see lively discussion on Cavetex...it's been eerily quiet since David left. I currently have a Princeton Apex Tec, which is nice, especially for the price, but I think it's time for a brighter light. Roger Moore has very generously offered to loan me his new Sten until I upgrade, but I wanted to start getting opinions because discussing gear is so fun. :) I've seen several cavers with the Duo, so thanks for the insight. Waterproof is important for me, since I don't want to have to switch out lights between water and dry caves. I think my current plan is to go ahead and save up for a Sten, unless I see a Petzl Duo on some sort of super-sale somewhere. -Mallory
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I agree on the great thread that has been going on this topoc. But you can also borrow my FX-2, Mal, of the type Stefan likes. It's fresh out of the box and untried like the Sten. I bet it even still has some traces of NM cave mud since it hasn't been underground since before decon started. Roger -Original Message- From: Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com To: caverarch cavera...@aol.com Cc: a...@oztotl.com; timstic...@gmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:35 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Thanks everyone! It's nice to see lively discussion on Cavetex...it's been eerily quiet since David left. I currently have a Princeton Apex Tec, which is nice, especially for the price, but I think it's time for a brighter light. Roger Moore has very generously offered to loan me his new Sten until I upgrade, but I wanted to start getting opinions because discussing gear is so fun. :) I've seen several cavers with the Duo, so thanks for the insight. Waterproof is important for me, since I don't want to have to switch out lights between water and dry caves. I think my current plan is to go ahead and save up for a Sten, unless I see a Petzl Duo on some sort of super-sale somewhere. -Mallory
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You still need to coat the batter compartment of a waterproof light with grease since it will get moisture in there anyway, and that's enough for corrosion to start. Petroleum jelly works fine. No need for fancy grease. On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: I bought my Duo thinking it was waterproof - it is not. It does has seals, so at least it tries to be waterproof - perhaps with enough silicon grease it would be. At least when water got in to the head, nothing was really affected as there's no electronics in it. -WaV On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks everyone! It's nice to see lively discussion on Cavetex...it's been eerily quiet since David left. I currently have a Princeton Apex Tec, which is nice, especially for the price, but I think it's time for a brighter light. Roger Moore has very generously offered to loan me his new Sten until I upgrade, but I wanted to start getting opinions because discussing gear is so fun. :) I've seen several cavers with the Duo, so thanks for the insight. Waterproof is important for me, since I don't want to have to switch out lights between water and dry caves. I think my current plan is to go ahead and save up for a Sten, unless I see a Petzl Duo on some sort of super-sale somewhere. -Mallory
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I meant to say that the FX-2 is NOT fresh out, of the box. Just that, like me, it hasn't been in any tough caves in a decade or so! Roger -Original Message- From: caverarch cavera...@aol.com To: mmay...@gmail.com Cc: a...@oztotl.com; timstic...@gmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I agree on the great thread that has been going on this topoc. But you can also borrow my FX-2, Mal, of the type Stefan likes. It's fresh out of the box and untried like the Sten. I bet it even still has some traces of NM cave mud since it hasn't been underground since before decon started. Roger -Original Message- From: Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com To: caverarch cavera...@aol.com Cc: a...@oztotl.com; timstic...@gmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:35 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Thanks everyone! It's nice to see lively discussion on Cavetex...it's been eerily quiet since David left. I currently have a Princeton Apex Tec, which is nice, especially for the price, but I think it's time for a brighter light. Roger Moore has very generously offered to loan me his new Sten until I upgrade, but I wanted to start getting opinions because discussing gear is so fun. :) I've seen several cavers with the Duo, so thanks for the insight. Waterproof is important for me, since I don't want to have to switch out lights between water and dry caves. I think my current plan is to go ahead and save up for a Sten, unless I see a Petzl Duo on some sort of super-sale somewhere. -Mallory
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Don, Any type of silicone grease will likely work for any application requiring waterproofing. I think they're all waterproof by nature. As far as I know, no silicone grease will actually conduct electricity. Rather, they just do not hinder it. Mark At 01:09 PM 6/14/2011, Don Cooper wrote: Can the same grease be used on silicone o-rings and seals? (ie. things not necessarily needing to conduct electricity) -WaV On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net wrote: Do I need to bring free tubes of Dialectirc Silicone Grease to TCR? - Original Message - tFrom: Andy Gluesenkamp To: Mark Minton ; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I second everything that Mark said below about the StenLight. A dab of dielectric grease on the connector seems to do the trick. Exceptional customer service. They sent me a waterproof battery pack at one point but the thing is pretty bulky compared to the standard pack and won't stay on the helmet using the velcro they provide. I just strap it down like every other battery pack. Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Thanks everyone! It's nice to see lively discussion on Cavetex...it's been eerily quiet since David left. I currently have a Princeton Apex Tec, which is nice, especially for the price, but I think it's time for a brighter light. Roger Moore has very generously offered to loan me his new Sten until I upgrade, but I wanted to start getting opinions because discussing gear is so fun. :) I've seen several cavers with the Duo, so thanks for the insight. Waterproof is important for me, since I don't want to have to switch out lights between water and dry caves. I think my current plan is to go ahead and save up for a Sten, unless I see a Petzl Duo on some sort of super-sale somewhere. -Mallory
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For the wrestling pit? From: Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net] Do I need to bring free tubes of Dialectirc Silicone Grease to TCR? -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
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A true caver doesn't know the bottom of the pit ;-) (Does that make this on topic?) From: mark.al...@l-3com.com [mailto:mark.al...@l-3com.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:41 AM To: Stefan Creaser; Bill Bentley; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I was going to go there, but, thought better of it, Stefan! I guess degenerate minds do think alike! Mark From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:40 AM To: Bill Bentley; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question For the wrestling pit? From: Bill Bentley [mailto:ca...@caver.net] Do I need to bring free tubes of Dialectirc Silicone Grease to TCR? -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you. -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
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I've sent an Apex a Yukon both back. I went to their web site and emailed from there. They sent me a return number. I sent them in and had new lights in less than a month. Steve across the creek in KY I GoodSearch for American Cave Conservation Association. Raise money for your favorite charity or school just by searching the Internet with GoodSearch - www.goodsearch.com - powered by Yahoo! _http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=908162_ (http://www.goodsearch.com/?charityid=842245) Take nothing but pictures, kill nothing but time, leave nothing but footprints In a message dated 6/14/2011 12:41:01 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, mark.al...@l-3com.com writes: I’m in love with the Scurion, Mallory, since Bill Steele so generously let me borrow Michael Cicherski’s at Jester Cave earlier this year. But, alas, I don’t have $700 laying around for one. Talk about a nice, rugged light! I have the Princeton Apex Tec, as well as having bought three for my kids. We’ve had good luck, for the most part, but mine did start acting up where I couldn’t turn it off. I took out the batteries, and put them back in. Now it won’t come on. I have sent them an email on getting it repaired (they have a lifetime warranty), but haven’t heard back. Suggestions? Mark From: Mallory Mayeux [mailto:mmay...@gmail.com] Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 11:35 AM To: caverarch Cc: a...@oztotl.com; timstic...@gmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Thanks everyone! It's nice to see lively discussion on Cavetex...it's been eerily quiet since David left. I currently have a Princeton Apex Tec, which is nice, especially for the price, but I think it's time for a brighter light. Roger Moore has very generously offered to loan me his new Sten until I upgrade, but I wanted to start getting opinions because discussing gear is so fun. :) I've seen several cavers with the Duo, so thanks for the insight. Waterproof is important for me, since I don't want to have to switch out lights between water and dry caves. I think my current plan is to go ahead and save up for a Sten, unless I see a Petzl Duo on some sort of super-sale somewhere. -Mallory
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Can the same grease be used on silicone o-rings and seals? (ie. things not necessarily needing to conduct electricity) -WaV On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net wrote: Do I need to bring free tubes of Dialectirc Silicone Grease to TCR? - Original Message - t*From:* Andy Gluesenkampandrew_gluesenk...@yahoo.com *To:* Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net ; texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Tuesday, June 14, 2011 7:25 AM *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I second everything that Mark said below about the StenLight. A dab of dielectric grease on the connector seems to do the trick. Exceptional customer service. They sent me a waterproof battery pack at one point but the thing is pretty bulky compared to the standard pack and won't stay on the helmet using the velcro they provide. I just strap it down like every other battery pack. Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com -- *From:* Mark Minton mmin...@caver.net *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com *Sent:* Mon, June 13, 2011 8:37:40 PM *Subject:* RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Whatever kind of light you get, you'll definitely want to go with LEDs. Incandescent just can't compete when it comes to brightness and battery life. And for batteries, you can't beat lithium ion. They are small, lightweight, long-lasting, very reliable and much cheaper in the long run over disposable types. I dislike waist-mounted battery packs with their respective cords, but with lithium ion you can easily mount the battery on the helmet. For my money, the Sten Light is the best available for general caving. It is not a diving light, but it is definitely waterproof enough to use on any normal trip, even in a wet cave like Honey Creek. According to their web site it is waterproof to 8 meters, which is enough for anything most cavers will encounter. I've worn mine on free dives a couple of meters deep with no problem. The cord connector, while definitely not watertight, has never been a problem for me. They're not cheap, but a very worthwhile investment. They also have excellent customer service and will usually repair any problem short of actual abuse for free. Mark At 04:54 PM 6/13/2011, Stefan Creaser wrote: I second the durability of FX-2's; I've had mine for more than 15yrs and it's still going strong. It's outlasted numerous helmet mounted lights, though it is more robustly made (for caving). Looks like you can still get old ones: http://www.thecavingandclimbingshop.com/epages/BT3421.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT3421/Categories/Caving_Equipment/Lighting%5B1%5D/SpeleoTechnics http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300555317667 Cheers, Stefan From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:26 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Tim Stich; Don Arburn; Mallory Mayeux; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light. Josh On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory's original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stich Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone
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I bought my Duo thinking it was waterproof - it is not. It does has seals, so at least it tries to be waterproof - perhaps with enough silicon grease it would be. At least when water got in to the head, nothing was really affected as there's no electronics in it. -WaV On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Thanks everyone! It's nice to see lively discussion on Cavetex...it's been eerily quiet since David left. I currently have a Princeton Apex Tec, which is nice, especially for the price, but I think it's time for a brighter light. Roger Moore has very generously offered to loan me his new Sten until I upgrade, but I wanted to start getting opinions because discussing gear is so fun. :) I've seen several cavers with the Duo, so thanks for the insight. Waterproof is important for me, since I don't want to have to switch out lights between water and dry caves. I think my current plan is to go ahead and save up for a Sten, unless I see a Petzl Duo on some sort of super-sale somewhere. -Mallory
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I agree on the great thread that has been going on this topoc. But you can also borrow my FX-2, Mal, of the type Stefan likes. It's fresh out of the box and untried like the Sten. I bet it even still has some traces of NM cave mud since it hasn't been underground since before decon started. Roger -Original Message- From: Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com To: caverarch cavera...@aol.com Cc: a...@oztotl.com; timstic...@gmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:35 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Thanks everyone! It's nice to see lively discussion on Cavetex...it's been eerily quiet since David left. I currently have a Princeton Apex Tec, which is nice, especially for the price, but I think it's time for a brighter light. Roger Moore has very generously offered to loan me his new Sten until I upgrade, but I wanted to start getting opinions because discussing gear is so fun. :) I've seen several cavers with the Duo, so thanks for the insight. Waterproof is important for me, since I don't want to have to switch out lights between water and dry caves. I think my current plan is to go ahead and save up for a Sten, unless I see a Petzl Duo on some sort of super-sale somewhere. -Mallory
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You still need to coat the batter compartment of a waterproof light with grease since it will get moisture in there anyway, and that's enough for corrosion to start. Petroleum jelly works fine. No need for fancy grease. On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:15 AM, Don Cooper wavyca...@gmail.com wrote: I bought my Duo thinking it was waterproof - it is not. It does has seals, so at least it tries to be waterproof - perhaps with enough silicon grease it would be. At least when water got in to the head, nothing was really affected as there's no electronics in it. -WaV On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.comwrote: Thanks everyone! It's nice to see lively discussion on Cavetex...it's been eerily quiet since David left. I currently have a Princeton Apex Tec, which is nice, especially for the price, but I think it's time for a brighter light. Roger Moore has very generously offered to loan me his new Sten until I upgrade, but I wanted to start getting opinions because discussing gear is so fun. :) I've seen several cavers with the Duo, so thanks for the insight. Waterproof is important for me, since I don't want to have to switch out lights between water and dry caves. I think my current plan is to go ahead and save up for a Sten, unless I see a Petzl Duo on some sort of super-sale somewhere. -Mallory
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I meant to say that the FX-2 is NOT fresh out, of the box. Just that, like me, it hasn't been in any tough caves in a decade or so! Roger -Original Message- From: caverarch cavera...@aol.com To: mmay...@gmail.com Cc: a...@oztotl.com; timstic...@gmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Jun 14, 2011 12:47 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I agree on the great thread that has been going on this topoc. But you can also borrow my FX-2, Mal, of the type Stefan likes. It's fresh out of the box and untried like the Sten. I bet it even still has some traces of NM cave mud since it hasn't been underground since before decon started. Roger -Original Message- From: Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com To: caverarch cavera...@aol.com Cc: a...@oztotl.com; timstic...@gmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tue, Jun 14, 2011 11:35 am Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Thanks everyone! It's nice to see lively discussion on Cavetex...it's been eerily quiet since David left. I currently have a Princeton Apex Tec, which is nice, especially for the price, but I think it's time for a brighter light. Roger Moore has very generously offered to loan me his new Sten until I upgrade, but I wanted to start getting opinions because discussing gear is so fun. :) I've seen several cavers with the Duo, so thanks for the insight. Waterproof is important for me, since I don't want to have to switch out lights between water and dry caves. I think my current plan is to go ahead and save up for a Sten, unless I see a Petzl Duo on some sort of super-sale somewhere. -Mallory
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Don, Any type of silicone grease will likely work for any application requiring waterproofing. I think they're all waterproof by nature. As far as I know, no silicone grease will actually conduct electricity. Rather, they just do not hinder it. Mark At 01:09 PM 6/14/2011, Don Cooper wrote: Can the same grease be used on silicone o-rings and seals? (ie. things not necessarily needing to conduct electricity) -WaV On Tue, Jun 14, 2011 at 12:28 PM, Bill Bentley ca...@caver.net wrote: Do I need to bring free tubes of Dialectirc Silicone Grease to TCR? - Original Message - tFrom: Andy Gluesenkamp To: Mark Minton ; texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Tuesday, June 14, 2011 7:25 AM Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I second everything that Mark said below about the StenLight. A dab of dielectric grease on the connector seems to do the trick. Exceptional customer service. They sent me a waterproof battery pack at one point but the thing is pretty bulky compared to the standard pack and won't stay on the helmet using the velcro they provide. I just strap it down like every other battery pack. Andrew G. Gluesenkamp, Ph.D. 700 Billie Brooks Drive Driftwood, Texas 78619 (512) 799-1095 a...@gluesenkamp.com Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Headlamp question
Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory
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Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stich Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11
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You could always search around the Lost Petzl Cave System for Melanie Alspaugh's lost Duo. It's been there for a few years, so it might need new O-rings. ;-) On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan *From:* Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM *To:* Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com *Cc:* Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com ; Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11
Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
I started caving with a Petzl Duo 8 and a Duo 14 in that order. The lights held up fine but I would not get one with a remote battery pack http://www.petzl.com/us/outdoor/duo-series-0/duobelt-led-5 , when I had just started caving having that extra length of cord was a pain and led to the eventual destruction of the original electrical connections. The Duo 14 was my primary before upgrading to the STEN and I would still recommend it. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com wrote: I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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I've always had good results with my old incandescent version of the Duo, but that probably isn't for sale anymore. Roger -Original Message- From: Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com To: Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com Cc: Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com; Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Mon, Jun 13, 2011 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stich Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11
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Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light. Josh On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan *From:* Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM *To:* Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com *Cc:* Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com ; Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11
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I second the durability of FX-2's; I've had mine for more than 15yrs and it's still going strong. It's outlasted numerous helmet mounted lights, though it is more robustly made (for caving). Looks like you can still get old ones: http://www.thecavingandclimbingshop.com/epages/BT3421.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT3421/Categories/Caving_Equipment/Lighting%5B1%5D/SpeleoTechnics http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300555317667 Cheers, Stefan From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:26 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Tim Stich; Don Arburn; Mallory Mayeux; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light. Josh On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.commailto:a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory's original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stichmailto:timstic...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobbmailto:a...@oztotl.com Cc: Don Arburnmailto:donarb...@mac.com ; Mallory Mayeuxmailto:mmay...@gmail.com ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.commailto:a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.commailto:mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.comhttp://texascavers.com/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com/ Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.comhttp://texascavers.com/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
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Whatever kind of light you get, you'll definitely want to go with LEDs. Incandescent just can't compete when it comes to brightness and battery life. And for batteries, you can't beat lithium ion. They are small, lightweight, long-lasting, very reliable and much cheaper in the long run over disposable types. I dislike waist-mounted battery packs with their respective cords, but with lithium ion you can easily mount the battery on the helmet. For my money, the Sten Light is the best available for general caving. It is not a diving light, but it is definitely waterproof enough to use on any normal trip, even in a wet cave like Honey Creek. According to their web site it is waterproof to 8 meters, which is enough for anything most cavers will encounter. I've worn mine on free dives a couple of meters deep with no problem. The cord connector, while definitely not watertight, has never been a problem for me. They're not cheap, but a very worthwhile investment. They also have excellent customer service and will usually repair any problem short of actual abuse for free. Mark At 04:54 PM 6/13/2011, Stefan Creaser wrote: I second the durability of FX-2's; I've had mine for more than 15yrs and it's still going strong. It's outlasted numerous helmet mounted lights, though it is more robustly made (for caving). Looks like you can still get old ones: http://www.thecavingandclimbingshop.com/epages/BT3421.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT3421/Categories/Caving_Equipment/Lighting%5B1%5D/SpeleoTechnics http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300555317667 Cheers, Stefan From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:26 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Tim Stich; Don Arburn; Mallory Mayeux; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light. Josh On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory's original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stich Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Headlamp question
Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory
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Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stich Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11
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You could always search around the Lost Petzl Cave System for Melanie Alspaugh's lost Duo. It's been there for a few years, so it might need new O-rings. ;-) On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan *From:* Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM *To:* Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com *Cc:* Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com ; Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11
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I started caving with a Petzl Duo 8 and a Duo 14 in that order. The lights held up fine but I would not get one with a remote battery pack http://www.petzl.com/us/outdoor/duo-series-0/duobelt-led-5 , when I had just started caving having that extra length of cord was a pain and led to the eventual destruction of the original electrical connections. The Duo 14 was my primary before upgrading to the STEN and I would still recommend it. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com wrote: I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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I've always had good results with my old incandescent version of the Duo, but that probably isn't for sale anymore. Roger -Original Message- From: Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com To: Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com Cc: Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com; Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Mon, Jun 13, 2011 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stich Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11
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Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light. Josh On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan *From:* Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM *To:* Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com *Cc:* Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com ; Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11
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I second the durability of FX-2's; I've had mine for more than 15yrs and it's still going strong. It's outlasted numerous helmet mounted lights, though it is more robustly made (for caving). Looks like you can still get old ones: http://www.thecavingandclimbingshop.com/epages/BT3421.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT3421/Categories/Caving_Equipment/Lighting%5B1%5D/SpeleoTechnics http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300555317667 Cheers, Stefan From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:26 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Tim Stich; Don Arburn; Mallory Mayeux; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light. Josh On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.commailto:a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory's original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stichmailto:timstic...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobbmailto:a...@oztotl.com Cc: Don Arburnmailto:donarb...@mac.com ; Mallory Mayeuxmailto:mmay...@gmail.com ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.commailto:a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.commailto:mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.comhttp://texascavers.com/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com/ Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.comhttp://texascavers.com/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
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Whatever kind of light you get, you'll definitely want to go with LEDs. Incandescent just can't compete when it comes to brightness and battery life. And for batteries, you can't beat lithium ion. They are small, lightweight, long-lasting, very reliable and much cheaper in the long run over disposable types. I dislike waist-mounted battery packs with their respective cords, but with lithium ion you can easily mount the battery on the helmet. For my money, the Sten Light is the best available for general caving. It is not a diving light, but it is definitely waterproof enough to use on any normal trip, even in a wet cave like Honey Creek. According to their web site it is waterproof to 8 meters, which is enough for anything most cavers will encounter. I've worn mine on free dives a couple of meters deep with no problem. The cord connector, while definitely not watertight, has never been a problem for me. They're not cheap, but a very worthwhile investment. They also have excellent customer service and will usually repair any problem short of actual abuse for free. Mark At 04:54 PM 6/13/2011, Stefan Creaser wrote: I second the durability of FX-2's; I've had mine for more than 15yrs and it's still going strong. It's outlasted numerous helmet mounted lights, though it is more robustly made (for caving). Looks like you can still get old ones: http://www.thecavingandclimbingshop.com/epages/BT3421.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT3421/Categories/Caving_Equipment/Lighting%5B1%5D/SpeleoTechnics http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300555317667 Cheers, Stefan From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:26 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Tim Stich; Don Arburn; Mallory Mayeux; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light. Josh On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory's original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stich Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
[Texascavers] Headlamp question
Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory
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Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stich Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11
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You could always search around the Lost Petzl Cave System for Melanie Alspaugh's lost Duo. It's been there for a few years, so it might need new O-rings. ;-) On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:45 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan *From:* Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM *To:* Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com *Cc:* Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com ; Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11
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I started caving with a Petzl Duo 8 and a Duo 14 in that order. The lights held up fine but I would not get one with a remote battery pack http://www.petzl.com/us/outdoor/duo-series-0/duobelt-led-5 , when I had just started caving having that extra length of cord was a pain and led to the eventual destruction of the original electrical connections. The Duo 14 was my primary before upgrading to the STEN and I would still recommend it. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:40 PM, Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com wrote: I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
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I've always had good results with my old incandescent version of the Duo, but that probably isn't for sale anymore. Roger -Original Message- From: Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com To: Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com Cc: Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com; Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com texascavers@texascavers.com Sent: Mon, Jun 13, 2011 12:45 pm Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stich Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11
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Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light. Josh On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory’s original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan *From:* Tim Stich timstic...@gmail.com *Sent:* Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM *To:* Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com *Cc:* Don Arburn donarb...@mac.com ; Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com texascavers@texascavers.com *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com -- No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11
RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
I second the durability of FX-2's; I've had mine for more than 15yrs and it's still going strong. It's outlasted numerous helmet mounted lights, though it is more robustly made (for caving). Looks like you can still get old ones: http://www.thecavingandclimbingshop.com/epages/BT3421.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT3421/Categories/Caving_Equipment/Lighting%5B1%5D/SpeleoTechnics http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300555317667 Cheers, Stefan From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:26 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Tim Stich; Don Arburn; Mallory Mayeux; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light. Josh On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.commailto:a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory's original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stichmailto:timstic...@gmail.com Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobbmailto:a...@oztotl.com Cc: Don Arburnmailto:donarb...@mac.com ; Mallory Mayeuxmailto:mmay...@gmail.com ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Commailto:texascavers@texascavers.com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.commailto:a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.commailto:mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory - Visit our website: http://texascavers.comhttp://texascavers.com/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com - No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com/ Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 - Visit our website: http://texascavers.comhttp://texascavers.com/ To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.commailto:texascavers-h...@texascavers.com No virus found in this message. Checked by AVG - www.avg.comhttp://www.avg.com Version: 10.0.1382 / Virus Database: 1513/3701 - Release Date: 06/13/11 -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any medium. Thank you.
RE: [Texascavers] Headlamp question
Whatever kind of light you get, you'll definitely want to go with LEDs. Incandescent just can't compete when it comes to brightness and battery life. And for batteries, you can't beat lithium ion. They are small, lightweight, long-lasting, very reliable and much cheaper in the long run over disposable types. I dislike waist-mounted battery packs with their respective cords, but with lithium ion you can easily mount the battery on the helmet. For my money, the Sten Light is the best available for general caving. It is not a diving light, but it is definitely waterproof enough to use on any normal trip, even in a wet cave like Honey Creek. According to their web site it is waterproof to 8 meters, which is enough for anything most cavers will encounter. I've worn mine on free dives a couple of meters deep with no problem. The cord connector, while definitely not watertight, has never been a problem for me. They're not cheap, but a very worthwhile investment. They also have excellent customer service and will usually repair any problem short of actual abuse for free. Mark At 04:54 PM 6/13/2011, Stefan Creaser wrote: I second the durability of FX-2's; I've had mine for more than 15yrs and it's still going strong. It's outlasted numerous helmet mounted lights, though it is more robustly made (for caving). Looks like you can still get old ones: http://www.thecavingandclimbingshop.com/epages/BT3421.sf/en_GB/?ObjectPath=/Shops/BT3421/Categories/Caving_Equipment/Lighting%5B1%5D/SpeleoTechnics http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItemitem=300555317667 Cheers, Stefan From: Josh Rubinstein [mailto:kars...@gmail.com] Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 3:26 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Tim Stich; Don Arburn; Mallory Mayeux; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Allan, I like my Sten Light too. It is not NOT a good waterproof light. The battery contains circuitry. The plug connection between the battery and the light is a portal for water. Not a good combination. The risk can be lessen by coating the connection with dielectric grease. The light I use for exploring water caves is no longer available. Speleo Technic FX2 was the brightest, least bulky and most robust light of its day. Now the incandescent light powered by a NiCd battery on a belt is still one of the most robust. Mine is a twenty plus years old. If I have not killed, it is not for lack of trying. I have surveyed with the head piece half filled with water with no ill effect. But in this era of retina burning lasers, it is no longer the bright light. Josh On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 12:45 PM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: I am really fond of my Sten light. It is not cheap but it is dependable, robust, and fairly water resistant. In answer to Malory's original question, I used to use a Duo and it worked well for me. I highly recommend the LED version. For casual caving, it will work just fine. Allan From: Tim Stich Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:40 PM To: Allan B. Cobb Cc: Don Arburn ; Mallory Mayeux ; Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question I'm kind of curious as well about the best waterproof headlamp for the money out there. For what I used them for these days, the cheap ones work fine. But for caving I would want a much tougher light. On Mon, Jun 13, 2011 at 11:35 AM, Allan B. Cobb a...@oztotl.com wrote: Autolite Carbide Lamp! -Original Message- From: Don Arburn Sent: Monday, June 13, 2011 12:15 PM To: Mallory Mayeux Cc: Texascavers@Texascavers.Com Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Headlamp question Wheatlamp! Don's iPhone. On Jun 13, 2011, at 12:15 PM, Mallory Mayeux mmay...@gmail.com wrote: Hello Cavers! I am toying with the idea of purchasing a new headlamp and wanted some opinions--is anyone using the Petzl Duo? If so, how do you like it? For the money, is there something else you would recommend? Mallory Please reply to mmin...@caver.net Permanent email address is mmin...@illinoisalumni.org - Visit our website: http://texascavers.com To unsubscribe, e-mail: texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com For additional commands, e-mail: texascavers-h...@texascavers.com
