Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Fritz Holt]

Missy,
I apologize for the idiots who called you by their name. Please forgive them as 
they are in the minority. 
Fritz

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 23, 2013, at 6:15 PM, jerryat...@aol.com wrote:

> I agree with Jon. The comments directed to Missy were entirely uncalled for.
> 
> Jerry.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Oct 23, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Jon Cradit  wrote:
> 
>> This seems to me to be symptomatic of what our society is increasingly 
>> accepting as the norm or acceptable behavior.  This is becoming more common 
>> in how we treat our “friends”, our extended family of cavers, who at times 
>> we depend on for our safety and at times our life.  We see this in our 
>> politicians and the dysfunctional government.  It hurts people to the bone.  
>> Is it truly necessary?  The personal attacks and name calling.  Can we no 
>> longer have a civil discussion and accept each other’s personal quirks?  
>> It’s easy for someone, “them”, to press DELETE, the same is true for me and 
>> you, if I don’t want to read their post.
>> 
>> 
>> Just wondering….
>> 
>>  
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:57 PM
>> To: Missy Singleton
>> Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> You are obviously an idiot (sic) then since you don’t realize there is no 
>> way to avoid a thread when you’re on a mailing list :-)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> If you tell the list what sort of tool/filter you use to read email – 
>> Outlook, Yahoo, Gmail, etc. I’m sure some nice person who’s more technically 
>> savvy than I am (I just use the delete button in Outlook) will tell you how 
>> to set up the appropriate filter.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> 
>> Stefan
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> (Deleteing the rest for Sleaze’s benefit :-)
>> 
>> 
>> -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
>> confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended 
>> recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the 
>> contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the 
>> information in any medium. Thank you.
>> 
>> ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, 
>> Registered in England & Wales, Company No: 2557590
>> ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, 
>> Registered in England & Wales, Company No: 2548782

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Charles Goldsmith]

Sheesh, some people.  Simply browsing to http://texascavers.com/ will get
you the instructions on this list.  Also, my mailing list software includes
headers which tells you how to unsubscribe, and it also includes a footer,
with instructions as well.  Problem is, most email clients hide both of
these.

As most people probably know, you can't unsubscribe from a single thread,
the software isn't that complicated, it's an opt-in list, you get all mail.
 Delete what you don't want.

Charles
mailing list administrator and lurker :)


On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:15 PM,  wrote:

> I agree with Jon. The comments directed to Missy were entirely uncalled
> for.
>
> Jerry.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Oct 23, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Jon Cradit 
> wrote:
>
>  This seems to me to be symptomatic of what our society is increasingly
> accepting as the norm or acceptable behavior.  This is becoming more common
> in how we treat our “friends”, our extended family of cavers, who at times
> we depend on for our safety and at times our life.  We see this in our
> politicians and the dysfunctional government.  It hurts people to the
> bone.  Is it truly necessary?  The personal attacks and name calling.  Can
> we no longer have a civil discussion and accept each other’s personal
> quirks?  It’s easy for someone, “them”, to press DELETE, the same is true
> for me and you, if I don’t want to read their post.
>
> 
>
> Just wondering….
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:57 PM
> *To:* Missy Singleton
> *Cc:* texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Subject:* RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
>
> ** **
>
> You are obviously an idiot (sic) then since you don’t realize there is no
> way to avoid a thread when you’re on a mailing list :-)
>
> ** **
>
> If you tell the list what sort of tool/filter you use to read email –
> Outlook, Yahoo, Gmail, etc. I’m sure some nice person who’s more
> technically savvy than I am (I just use the delete button in Outlook) will
> tell you how to set up the appropriate filter.
>
> ** **
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stefan
>
> ** **
>
> *(Deleteing the rest for Sleaze’s benefit :-)*
>
>
> -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are
> confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended
> recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the
> contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the
> information in any medium. Thank you.
>
> ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ,
> Registered in England & Wales, Company No: 2557590
> ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ,
> Registered in England & Wales, Company No: 2548782
>
>

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[jerryatkin]

I agree with Jon. The comments directed to Missy were entirely uncalled for.

Jerry.

Sent from my iPhone

On Oct 23, 2013, at 4:34 PM, Jon Cradit  wrote:

> This seems to me to be symptomatic of what our society is increasingly 
> accepting as the norm or acceptable behavior.  This is becoming more common 
> in how we treat our “friends”, our extended family of cavers, who at times we 
> depend on for our safety and at times our life.  We see this in our 
> politicians and the dysfunctional government.  It hurts people to the bone.  
> Is it truly necessary?  The personal attacks  and name calling.  Can we no 
> longer have a civil discussion and accept each other’s personal quirks?  It’s 
> easy for someone, “them”, to press DELETE, the same is true for me and you, 
> if I don’t want to read their post.
> 
> 
> Just wondering….
> 
>  
> 
>  
> 
> From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] 
> Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:57 PM
> To: Missy Singleton
> Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
> 
>  
> 
> You are obviously an idiot (sic) then since you don’t realize there is no way 
> to avoid a thread when you’re on a mailing list :-)
> 
>  
> 
> If you tell the list what sort of tool/filter you use to read email – 
> Outlook, Yahoo, Gmail, etc. I’m sure some nice person who’s more technically 
> savvy than I am (I just use the delete button in Outlook) will tell you how 
> to set up the appropriate filter.
> 
>  
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Stefan
> 
>  
> 
> (Deleteing the rest for Sleaze’s benefit :-)
> 
> 
> -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
> confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended 
> recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the 
> contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the 
> information in any medium. Thank you.
> 
> ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, 
> Registered in England & Wales, Company No: 2557590
> ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, 
> Registered in England & Wales, Company No: 2548782

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Steve Keselik]

I think some have missed the point,Poison-Ivy is just plain irritating
whether you get the rash or not, virtual or real.But I do think the
Sim-Cave needs a little in the entrance


On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 4:34 PM, Jon Cradit wrote:

>  This seems to me to be symptomatic of what our society is increasingly
> accepting as the norm or acceptable behavior.  This is becoming more common
> in how we treat our “friends”, our extended family of cavers, who at times
> we depend on for our safety and at times our life.  We see this in our
> politicians and the dysfunctional government.  It hurts people to the
> bone.  Is it truly necessary?  The personal attacks and name calling.  Can
> we no longer have a civil discussion and accept each other’s personal
> quirks?  It’s easy for someone, “them”, to press DELETE, the same is true
> for me and you, if I don’t want to read their post.
>
> 
>
> Just wondering….
>
> ** **
>
> ** **
>
> *From:* Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com]
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:57 PM
> *To:* Missy Singleton
> *Cc:* texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Subject:* RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
>
> ** **
>
> You are obviously an idiot (sic) then since you don’t realize there is no
> way to avoid a thread when you’re on a mailing list :-)
>
> ** **
>
> If you tell the list what sort of tool/filter you use to read email –
> Outlook, Yahoo, Gmail, etc. I’m sure some nice person who’s more
> technically savvy than I am (I just use the delete button in Outlook) will
> tell you how to set up the appropriate filter.
>
> ** **
>
> Cheers,
>
> Stefan
>
> ** **
>
> *(Deleteing the rest for Sleaze’s benefit :-)*
>
>
> -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are
> confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended
> recipient, please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the
> contents to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the
> information in any medium. Thank you.
>
> ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ,
> Registered in England & Wales, Company No: 2557590
> ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ,
> Registered in England & Wales, Company No: 2548782
>

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Bill Bentley]

John, 
 I contacted Missy (through Facebook) and collectivly apologized for the rude 
behavior.. I got her the contact information for Charles Goldsmith, so she can 
be properly removed...
I don't think some even consider what they do. Or maybe don't care... 
Seems like your reply shut it all down... good I hope...

Thanks,
Bill (former list owner) 
 
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jon Cradit 
  To: Stefan Creaser ; Missy Singleton 
  Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 4:34 PM
  Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy


  This seems to me to be symptomatic of what our society is increasingly 
accepting as the norm or acceptable behavior.  This is becoming more common in 
how we treat our "friends", our extended family of cavers, who at times we 
depend on for our safety and at times our life.  We see this in our politicians 
and the dysfunctional government.  It hurts people to the bone.  Is it truly 
necessary?  The personal attacks and name calling.  Can we no longer have a 
civil discussion and accept each other's personal quirks?  It's easy for 
someone, "them", to press DELETE, the same is true for me and you, if I don't 
want to read their post.


  Just wondering..

   

   

  From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com] 
  Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:57 PM
  To: Missy Singleton
  Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
  Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

   

  You are obviously an idiot (sic) then since you don't realize there is no way 
to avoid a thread when you're on a mailing list :-)

   

  If you tell the list what sort of tool/filter you use to read email - 
Outlook, Yahoo, Gmail, etc. I'm sure some nice person who's more technically 
savvy than I am (I just use the delete button in Outlook) will tell you how to 
set up the appropriate filter.

   

  Cheers,

  Stefan

   

  (Deleteing the rest for Sleaze's benefit :-)


  -- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, 
please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any 
other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any 
medium. Thank you.

  ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, 
Registered in England & Wales, Company No: 2557590
  ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, 
Registered in England & Wales, Company No: 2548782

RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Jon Cradit]

This seems to me to be symptomatic of what our society is increasingly 
accepting as the norm or acceptable behavior.  This is becoming more common in 
how we treat our "friends", our extended family of cavers, who at times we 
depend on for our safety and at times our life.  We see this in our politicians 
and the dysfunctional government.  It hurts people to the bone.  Is it truly 
necessary?  The personal attacks and name calling.  Can we no longer have a 
civil discussion and accept each other's personal quirks?  It's easy for 
someone, "them", to press DELETE, the same is true for me and you, if I don't 
want to read their post.
Just wondering


From: Stefan Creaser [mailto:stefan.crea...@arm.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:57 PM
To: Missy Singleton
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

You are obviously an idiot (sic) then since you don't realize there is no way 
to avoid a thread when you're on a mailing list :-)

If you tell the list what sort of tool/filter you use to read email - Outlook, 
Yahoo, Gmail, etc. I'm sure some nice person who's more technically savvy than 
I am (I just use the delete button in Outlook) will tell you how to set up the 
appropriate filter.

Cheers,
Stefan

(Deleteing the rest for Sleaze's benefit :-)

-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, 
please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any 
other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any 
medium. Thank you.

ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered 
in England & Wales, Company No: 2557590
ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, 
Registered in England & Wales, Company No: 2548782

RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Missy Singleton]

As much as I once loved the caving community; I'm out.  I will now gladly ask 
to be taken off the mailing list.  I have received at least 5 private messages 
where I have been called an idiot, been berated, insulted and mocked.  All 
because I asked politely to not be included on an email thread.

Fuck off!  Oh, and have a nice day!
Missy 



From: stefan.crea...@arm.com
To: missie...@hotmail.com
CC: texascavers@texascavers.com
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:57:20 -0700
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy









You are obviously an idiot (sic) then since you don’t realize there is no way 
to avoid a thread when you’re on a mailing list :-)
 
If you tell the list what sort of tool/filter you use to read email – Outlook, 
Yahoo, Gmail, etc. I’m sure some nice person who’s more technically savvy than
 I am (I just use the delete button in Outlook) will tell you how to set up the 
appropriate filter.
 
Cheers,
Stefan
 


(Deleteing the rest for Sleaze’s benefit :-)





-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, 
please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents
 to any other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information 
in any medium. Thank you.



ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered 
in England & Wales, Company No: 2557590

ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, 
Registered in England & Wales, Company No: 2548782

  

RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Stefan Creaser]

You are obviously an idiot (sic) then since you don't realize there is no way 
to avoid a thread when you're on a mailing list :-)

If you tell the list what sort of tool/filter you use to read email - Outlook, 
Yahoo, Gmail, etc. I'm sure some nice person who's more technically savvy than 
I am (I just use the delete button in Outlook) will tell you how to set up the 
appropriate filter.

Cheers,
Stefan

(Deleteing the rest for Sleaze's benefit :-)

-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, 
please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any 
other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any 
medium. Thank you.

ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered 
in England & Wales, Company No: 2557590
ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, 
Registered in England & Wales, Company No: 2548782

RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Stefan Creaser]

Missy,

One can remove themselves from a thread, you don't need the Admin to do it for 
you:

Email a blank message to: 
texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers-unsubscr...@texascavers.com>


From: Missy Singleton [mailto:missie...@hotmail.com]
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 2:19 PM
To: Louise Power; texas cavers
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

YOU ARE THE MESSENGER RIGHT NOW.  PLEASE STOP EMAILING ME ABOUT THIS!


From: power_lou...@hotmail.com<mailto:power_lou...@hotmail.com>
To: missie...@hotmail.com<mailto:missie...@hotmail.com>; 
texascavers@texascavers.com<mailto:texascavers@texascavers.com>
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:16:53 -0700
I don't think it's possible for anyone other than the moderator to modify the 
list. So it wouldn't be possible for any one other than him to take you off the 
list. And you'd probably have to be taken off the list in general. I don't 
think he'd do it for one thread. Do what I do, just delete. It's not exactly a 
secret what the subject of the messages are, so quit shooting the messengers.




-- IMPORTANT NOTICE: The contents of this email and any attachments are 
confidential and may also be privileged. If you are not the intended recipient, 
please notify the sender immediately and do not disclose the contents to any 
other person, use it for any purpose, or store or copy the information in any 
medium. Thank you.

ARM Limited, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, Registered 
in England & Wales, Company No: 2557590
ARM Holdings plc, Registered office 110 Fulbourn Road, Cambridge CB1 9NJ, 
Registered in England & Wales, Company No: 2548782

RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Missy Singleton]

YOU ARE THE MESSENGER RIGHT NOW.  PLEASE STOP EMAILING ME ABOUT THIS!



From: power_lou...@hotmail.com
To: missie...@hotmail.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:16:53 -0700




I don't think it's possible for anyone other than the moderator to modify the 
list. So it wouldn't be possible for any one other than him to take you off the 
list. And you'd probably have to be taken off the list in general. I don't 
think he'd do it for one thread. Do what I do, just delete. It's not exactly a 
secret what the subject of the messages are, so quit shooting the messengers.
 



From: missie...@hotmail.com
To: power_lou...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:51:40 -0500




Sure do and thank you for inundating me with yet another email I do not wish to 
read.  I assume you don't know how to not respond to someone asking to not be 
on a thread.

I asked nicely once.







From: power_lou...@hotmail.com
To: missie...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:46:23 -0700




probably not as long as you're on the Texascavers list. I assume you know how 
to use your delete button
 



From: missie...@hotmail.com
To: pw...@dca.net; power_lou...@hotmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; 
texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:57:34 -0500




Can I please be removed from the Poison ivy thread?

Thank you,







Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:53:38 -0400
To: power_lou...@hotmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
From: pw...@dca.net
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

All the inactive ingredients can be considered solvents if they are liquids.

At 10/23/2013 10:51 AM -0700, Louise Power wrote:

Here is what the Tech-Nu label says. I'm not a chemist, so which one of these 
ingredients is a solvent?
 
Active ingredient:

Grindelia robusta 3X - Purpose:anti-itch


Inactive ingredients:

alcohol 0.4%, aminomethyl propanol, benzethonium chloride, carbomer, fragrance, 
polyethylene beads, polyoxyethylene (4) lauryl ether, polysorbate 20, purified 
water, SD alcohol 40B 6.4%


Uses:



Temporarily relieves burning, itching and pain due to poison ivy, oak and 
sumac. 
Removes poison ivy, oak and sumac oil (urushiol) from skin. 

Warnings:



Do not use on severe, draining rashes. 
Do not use if pregnant or nursing, ask a health professional before use. 
Keep out of reach of children 
If swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away. 
Keep out of eyes. 
If condition worsens, or if symptoms persist more than 7 days or clear up and 
occur again with a few days, stop use and consult a physician. 
Do not use on children under 2 years of age, consult a physician. 

Directions:



To treat a rash: (adults and children 2 years and older)



Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of 
water. 
Apply to affected skin and surrounding areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; 
avoid breaking the skin. 
Rinse with cool running water and towel dry gently. 
Repeat as needed. 

To remove urushiol oil: (adults and children 2 years and older)



Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of 
water. 
Apply to exposed areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; if hypersensitive, wash 
entire body with Tecnu Extreme. 
Rinse with cool running water and towel dry. 

Other information:

Store at 59 to 89°F (15 to 30°C)
 


From: donarb...@mac.com
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:13:49 -0500
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

When affected, I have found -tremendous- relief of the lesions by simply 
spraying them with a jet of very hot water. The sensation is much more 
gratifying than scratching but also completely stops the itching, no meds 
needed after. Hot as I could stand, ONLY on the wound. Strange but true.

Sent cellularly. 
-Don

On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mary Thiesse  wrote:



I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea in 
this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter or 
spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can enable 
the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these products 
seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I think I'll 
stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then treat with 
topical steroids if needed.


Mary TZ



From: Tom Rogers < decksunlimi...@hotmail.com>

To: caverarch ; Texascavers@texascavers.com 

Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM

Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy


I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is mineral 
spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will work. Rub 
it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There will s

RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Louise Power]

I don't think it's possible for anyone other than the moderator to modify the 
list. So it wouldn't be possible for any one other than him to take you off the 
list. And you'd probably have to be taken off the list in general. I don't 
think he'd do it for one thread. Do what I do, just delete. It's not exactly a 
secret what the subject of the messages are, so quit shooting the messengers.
 



From: missie...@hotmail.com
To: power_lou...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:51:40 -0500




Sure do and thank you for inundating me with yet another email I do not wish to 
read.  I assume you don't know how to not respond to someone asking to not be 
on a thread.

I asked nicely once.







From: power_lou...@hotmail.com
To: missie...@hotmail.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:46:23 -0700




probably not as long as you're on the Texascavers list. I assume you know how 
to use your delete button
 



From: missie...@hotmail.com
To: pw...@dca.net; power_lou...@hotmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; 
texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 12:57:34 -0500




Can I please be removed from the Poison ivy thread?

Thank you,







Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:53:38 -0400
To: power_lou...@hotmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
From: pw...@dca.net
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

All the inactive ingredients can be considered solvents if they are liquids.

At 10/23/2013 10:51 AM -0700, Louise Power wrote:

Here is what the Tech-Nu label says. I'm not a chemist, so which one of these 
ingredients is a solvent?
 
Active ingredient:

Grindelia robusta 3X - Purpose:anti-itch


Inactive ingredients:

alcohol 0.4%, aminomethyl propanol, benzethonium chloride, carbomer, fragrance, 
polyethylene beads, polyoxyethylene (4) lauryl ether, polysorbate 20, purified 
water, SD alcohol 40B 6.4%


Uses:



Temporarily relieves burning, itching and pain due to poison ivy, oak and 
sumac. 
Removes poison ivy, oak and sumac oil (urushiol) from skin. 

Warnings:



Do not use on severe, draining rashes. 
Do not use if pregnant or nursing, ask a health professional before use. 
Keep out of reach of children 
If swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away. 
Keep out of eyes. 
If condition worsens, or if symptoms persist more than 7 days or clear up and 
occur again with a few days, stop use and consult a physician. 
Do not use on children under 2 years of age, consult a physician. 

Directions:



To treat a rash: (adults and children 2 years and older)



Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of 
water. 
Apply to affected skin and surrounding areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; 
avoid breaking the skin. 
Rinse with cool running water and towel dry gently. 
Repeat as needed. 

To remove urushiol oil: (adults and children 2 years and older)



Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of 
water. 
Apply to exposed areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; if hypersensitive, wash 
entire body with Tecnu Extreme. 
Rinse with cool running water and towel dry. 

Other information:

Store at 59 to 89°F (15 to 30°C)
 


From: donarb...@mac.com
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:13:49 -0500
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

When affected, I have found -tremendous- relief of the lesions by simply 
spraying them with a jet of very hot water. The sensation is much more 
gratifying than scratching but also completely stops the itching, no meds 
needed after. Hot as I could stand, ONLY on the wound. Strange but true.

Sent cellularly. 
-Don

On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mary Thiesse  wrote:



I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea in 
this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter or 
spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can enable 
the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these products 
seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I think I'll 
stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then treat with 
topical steroids if needed.


Mary TZ



From: Tom Rogers < decksunlimi...@hotmail.com>

To: caverarch ; Texascavers@texascavers.com 

Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM

Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy


I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is mineral 
spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will work. Rub 
it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There will still 
be a rash but it will stop it from spreading. Rub down tools with alcohol also 
to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has built immunity. 

 Tom


--- Original Message ---


From: "caverarch" 

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Don Arburn]

Guys, trim your replies. You are replying to BOTH the senders AND the list. We 
get two emails from you. Please.

Sent cellularly.
-Don

> On Oct 23, 2013, at 12:53 PM, Phil Winkler  wrote:
> 
> All the inactive ingredients can be considered solvents if they are liquids.
> 
> At 10/23/2013 10:51 AM -0700, Louise Power wrote:
>> Here is what the Tech-Nu label says. I'm not a chemist, so which one of 
>> these ingredients is a solvent?
>>  
>> Active ingredient:
>> 
>> Grindelia robusta 3X - Purpose:anti-itch
>> 
>> Inactive ingredients:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> alcohol 0.4%, aminomethyl propanol, benzethonium chloride, carbomer, 
>> fragrance, polyethylene beads, polyoxyethylene (4) lauryl ether, polysorbate 
>> 20, purified water, SD alcohol 40B 6.4%
>> 
>> Uses:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Temporarily relieves burning, itching and pain due to poison ivy, oak and 
>> sumac.
>> Removes poison ivy, oak and sumac oil (urushiol) from skin.
>> 
>> Warnings:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Do not use on severe, draining rashes.
>> Do not use if pregnant or nursing, ask a health professional before use.
>> Keep out of reach of children
>> If swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away.
>> Keep out of eyes.
>> If condition worsens, or if symptoms persist more than 7 days or clear up 
>> and occur again with a few days, stop use and consult a physician.
>> Do not use on children under 2 years of age, consult a physician.
>> 
>> Directions:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> To treat a rash: (adults and children 2 years and older)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of 
>> water.  
>> Apply to affected skin and surrounding areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; 
>> avoid breaking the skin.
>> Rinse with cool running water and towel dry gently.
>> Repeat as needed.
>> 
>> To remove urushiol oil: (adults and children 2 years and older)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of 
>> water.  
>> Apply to exposed areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; if hypersensitive, 
>> wash entire body with Tecnu Extreme.
>> Rinse with cool running water and towel dry.
>> 
>> Other information:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Store at 59 to 89°F (15 to 30°C)
>>  
>> From: donarb...@mac.com
>> Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:13:49 -0500
>> To: texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
>> 
>> When affected, I have found -tremendous- relief of the lesions by simply 
>> spraying them with a jet of very hot water. The sensation is much more 
>> gratifying than scratching but also completely stops the itching, no meds 
>> needed after. Hot as I could stand, ONLY on the wound. Strange but true.
>> 
>> Sent cellularly. 
>> -Don
>> 
>> On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mary Thiesse  wrote:
>> 
>> I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea 
>> in this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter 
>> or spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can 
>> enable the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these 
>> products seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I 
>> think I'll stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then 
>> treat with topical steroids if needed.
>> 
>> Mary TZ
>> 
>> 
>> From: Tom Rogers < decksunlimi...@hotmail.com>
>> To: caverarch ; Texascavers@texascavers.com 
>> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
>> 
>> I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is 
>> mineral spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will 
>> work. Rub it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There 
>> will still be a rash but it will stop it from spreading. Rub down tools with 
>> alcohol also to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has 
>> built immunity. 
>>  Tom
>> 
>> --- Original Message ---
>> 
>> From: "caverarch" 
>> Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM
>> To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
>> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
>> 
>> I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was in my youth. I'm sure this 
>> is the result of repeated exposure from lots of field work in t

RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Missy Singleton]

Can I please be removed from the Poison ivy thread?

Thank you,



Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 13:53:38 -0400
To: power_lou...@hotmail.com; donarb...@mac.com; texascavers@texascavers.com
From: pw...@dca.net
Subject: RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy



All the inactive ingredients can be considered solvents if they are
liquids.


At 10/23/2013 10:51 AM -0700, Louise Power wrote:

Here is what the Tech-Nu label
says. I'm not a chemist, so which one of these ingredients is a
solvent?

 

Active ingredient:


Grindelia robusta 3X - Purpose:anti-itch



Inactive
ingredients:


alcohol 0.4%, aminomethyl propanol, benzethonium
chloride, carbomer, fragrance, polyethylene beads, polyoxyethylene (4)
lauryl ether, polysorbate 20, purified water, SD alcohol 40B 6.4%



Uses:



Temporarily relieves burning, itching and pain due to poison ivy, oak
and sumac. 
Removes poison ivy, oak and sumac oil (urushiol) from skin.


Warnings:



Do not use on severe, draining rashes. 
Do not use if pregnant or nursing, ask a health professional before
use. 
Keep out of reach of children 
If swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center
right away. 
Keep out of eyes. 
If condition worsens, or if symptoms persist more than 7 days or
clear up and occur again with a few days, stop use and consult a
physician. 
Do not use on children under 2 years of age, consult a physician.


Directions:




To treat a rash: (adults and children 2 years and
older)



Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal
amount of water. 
Apply to affected skin and surrounding areas and gently rub for 15
seconds; avoid breaking the skin. 
Rinse with cool running water and towel dry gently. 
Repeat as needed.


To remove urushiol oil: (adults and children 2 years and
older)



Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal
amount of water. 
Apply to exposed areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; if
hypersensitive, wash entire body with Tecnu Extreme. 
Rinse with cool running water and towel dry.


Other information:


Store at 59 to 89°F (15 to 30°C)

 


From: donarb...@mac.com

Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:13:49 -0500

To: texascavers@texascavers.com

Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy


When affected, I have found -tremendous- relief of the lesions by simply
spraying them with a jet of very hot water. The sensation is much more
gratifying than scratching but also completely stops the itching, no meds
needed after. Hot as I could stand, ONLY on the wound. Strange but
true.


Sent cellularly. 

-Don


On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mary Thiesse
 wrote:




I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad
idea in this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical
splatter or spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area.
Solvents can enable the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin.
So using these products seems contrary to what I've learned over the
years. Personally I think I'll stick with soap (Dawn) and water for
removal of the oils and then treat with topical steroids if
needed.



Mary TZ





From: Tom Rogers
<
decksunlimi...@hotmail.com>


To: caverarch
;

Texascavers@texascavers.com 


Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM


Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy




I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use
is mineral spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based
liquid will work. Rub it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten
minutes. There will still be a rash but it will stop it from spreading.
Rub down tools with alcohol also to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my
repeated exposures has built immunity. 


 Tom




--- Original Message ---



From: "caverarch"



Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM


To:

Texascavers@texascavers.com


Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy



I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was in my youth. I'm
sure this is the result of repeated exposure from lots of field work in
the eastern woodlands and blissfully disregarding contact back in those
days.



Roger G. Moore





-Original Message-


From: George Veni



To: Texas Cavers
<
Texascavers@texascavers.com>


Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:40 pm


Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy



Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that
immunity can sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to
those who are currently immune is to avoid it as much as possible.




George





Sent from my mobile phone 



 



George Veni, Ph.D.


Executive Director


National Cave and Karst Research Institute


400-1 Cascades Avenue


Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215


USA


Office: 575-887-5517


Mobile: 210-863-5919


Fax: 575-887-5523


gv...@nckri.org


www.nckri.org









 Original message 


From: Sheryl Rieck
 


Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00) 


To: Mark Minton
 


Cc: TexasCavers
<
texascavers@texascavers.

RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Phil Winkler]

All the inactive ingredients can be considered solvents if they are liquids.

At 10/23/2013 10:51 AM -0700, Louise Power wrote:
Here is what the Tech-Nu label says. I'm not a 
chemist, so which one of these ingredients is a solvent?


Active ingredient:

Grindelia robusta 3X - Purpose:anti-itch


Inactive ingredients:



alcohol 0.4%, aminomethyl propanol, benzethonium 
chloride, carbomer, fragrance, polyethylene 
beads, polyoxyethylene (4) lauryl ether, 
polysorbate 20, purified water, SD alcohol 40B 6.4%



Uses:



   * Temporarily relieves burning, itching and 
pain due to poison ivy, oak and sumac.

   * Removes poison ivy, oak and sumac oil (urushiol) from skin.


Warnings:



   * Do not use on severe, draining rashes.
   * Do not use if pregnant or nursing, ask a 
health professional before use.

   * Keep out of reach of children
   * If swallowed, get medical help or contact 
a Poison Control Center right away.

   * Keep out of eyes.
   * If condition worsens, or if symptoms 
persist more than 7 days or clear up and occur 
again with a few days, stop use and consult a physician.

   * Do not use on children under 2 years of age, consult a physician.


Directions:





To treat a rash: (adults and children 2 years and older)



   * Squeeze a desired amount of product into 
hand and mix with equal amount of water.
   * Apply to affected skin and surrounding 
areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; avoid breaking the skin.

   * Rinse with cool running water and towel dry gently.
   * Repeat as needed.


To remove urushiol oil: (adults and children 2 years and older)



   * Squeeze a desired amount of product into 
hand and mix with equal amount of water.
   * Apply to exposed areas and gently rub for 
15 seconds; if hypersensitive, wash entire body with Tecnu Extreme.

   * Rinse with cool running water and towel dry.


Other information:



Store at 59 to 89°F (15 to 30°C)


--
From: donarb...@mac.com
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:13:49 -0500
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

When affected, I have found -tremendous- relief 
of the lesions by simply spraying them with a 
jet of very hot water. The sensation is much 
more gratifying than scratching but also 
completely stops the itching, no meds needed 
after. Hot as I could stand, ONLY on the wound. Strange but true.


Sent cellularly.
-Don

On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mary Thiesse 
<<mailto:wpipistre...@yahoo.com>wpipistre...@yahoo.com> wrote:


I have to say that my instincts tell me that 
solvents seem like a bad idea in this case. 
Working in the lab if there was any kind of 
chemical splatter or spill it was always soap 
and water to wash off the area. Solvents can 
enable the offender (whatever it is) to 
penetrate the skin. So using these products 
seems contrary to what I've learned over the 
years. Personally I think I'll stick with soap 
(Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and 
then treat with topical steroids if needed.


Mary TZ


From: Tom Rogers 
<<mailto:decksunlimi...@hotmail.com>decksunlimi...@hotmail.com>
To: caverarch 
<<mailto:cavera...@aol.com>cavera...@aol.com>; 
<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com>Texascavers@texascavers.com

Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. 
The best stuff to use is mineral spirits. The 
main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based 
liquid will work. Rub it on immediately. Rinse 
with water after about ten minutes. There will 
still be a rash but it will stop it from 
spreading. Rub down tools with alcohol also to 
remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has built immunity.

 Tom

--- Original Message ---

From: "caverarch" <<mailto:cavera...@aol.com>cavera...@aol.com>
Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM
To: <mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com>Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was 
in my youth. I'm sure this is the result of 
repeated exposure from lots of field work in the 
eastern woodlands and blissfully disregarding contact back in those days.


Roger G. Moore


-Original Message-
From: George Veni <<mailto:gv...@nckri.org>gv...@nckri.org>
To: Texas Cavers 
<<mailto:Texascavers@texascavers.com>Texascavers@texascavers.com>

Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but 
I learned that immunity can sometimes be lost by 
repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are 
currently immune is to avoid it as much as possible.


George


Sent from my mobile phone



George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215
USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-55

RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Louise Power]

Here is what the Tech-Nu label says. I'm not a chemist, so which one of these 
ingredients is a solvent?

 

Active ingredient:

Grindelia robusta 3X - Purpose:anti-itch
Inactive ingredients:
alcohol 0.4%, aminomethyl propanol, benzethonium chloride, carbomer, fragrance, 
polyethylene beads, polyoxyethylene (4) lauryl ether, polysorbate 20, purified 
water, SD alcohol 40B 6.4%
Uses:

Temporarily relieves burning, itching and pain due to poison ivy, oak and sumac.
Removes poison ivy, oak and sumac oil (urushiol) from skin.
Warnings:

Do not use on severe, draining rashes.
Do not use if pregnant or nursing, ask a health professional before use.
Keep out of reach of children
If swallowed, get medical help or contact a Poison Control Center right away.
Keep out of eyes.
If condition worsens, or if symptoms persist more than 7 days or clear up and 
occur again with a few days, stop use and consult a physician.
Do not use on children under 2 years of age, consult a physician.
Directions:
To treat a rash: (adults and children 2 years and older)

Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of 
water.
Apply to affected skin and surrounding areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; 
avoid breaking the skin.
Rinse with cool running water and towel dry gently.
Repeat as needed.
To remove urushiol oil: (adults and children 2 years and older)

Squeeze a desired amount of product into hand and mix with equal amount of 
water.
Apply to exposed areas and gently rub for 15 seconds; if hypersensitive, wash 
entire body with Tecnu Extreme.
Rinse with cool running water and towel dry.
Other information:
Store at 59 to 89°F (15 to 30°C)
 


From: donarb...@mac.com
Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 11:13:49 -0500
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy


When affected, I have found -tremendous- relief of the lesions by simply 
spraying them with a jet of very hot water. The sensation is much more 
gratifying than scratching but also completely stops the itching, no meds 
needed after. Hot as I could stand, ONLY on the wound. Strange but true.

Sent cellularly. 
-Don

On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mary Thiesse  wrote:





I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea in 
this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter or 
spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can enable 
the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these products 
seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I think I'll 
stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then treat with 
topical steroids if needed.


Mary TZ






From: Tom Rogers 
To: caverarch ; Texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy







I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is mineral 
spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will work. Rub 
it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There will still 
be a rash but it will stop it from spreading. Rub down tools with alcohol also 
to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has built immunity. 
 Tom

--- Original Message ---

From: "caverarch" 
Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy


I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was in my youth. I'm sure this is 
the result of repeated exposure from lots of field work in the eastern 
woodlands and blissfully disregarding contact back in those days.


Roger G. Moore


-Original Message-
From: George Veni 
To: Texas Cavers 
Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy




Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can 
sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are currently 
immune is to avoid it as much as possible. 


George



Sent from my mobile phone 

 

George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215
USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org 




 Original message 
From: Sheryl Rieck  
Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00) 
To: Mark Minton  
Cc: TexasCavers  
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy 





Good things to know. Since I am not allergic, I haven't been aware of the other 
treatments.

Sheryl





Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant
True SEM Antics, Inc.
832-632-2387 Home

361-205-1458 Cell



On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Mark Minton  wrote:

A related product is Tecnu 
<http://www.teclabsinc.com/products/poison-oak-ivy/tecnu>, also commonly 
available at pharmacies.  These products wash away the oily residue that causes 
the rash .  They work best when used as soon as possib

RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst

[Louise Power]

take a look at these pics:

 

http://img.webmd.com/dtmcms/live/webmd/consumer_assets/site_images/media/medical/hw/hwkb17_017_18_19.jpg
 



Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 23:05:55 -0500
From: gi...@att.net
To: dirt...@comcast.net
CC: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst


I've never had anybody successfully identify the difference between poison ivy 
and poison oak for me. They look the same to my eyes.  
--Ediger



On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:15 PM,  wrote:





Poison-ivy and Karst

How cave related can you get??  (I'll do everything I can to get this site back 
on track)

I grew up in New York and was terribly allergic to poison ivy as a youngster.  
Like, someone burned some  brush with the vines in the pile, a half-mile away.  
Good Lord, was I ever in an awful itchy situation after the smoke passed over 
me --.  Fortunately my lungs did not react.

When I started to do karst and geological things in upstate NY, I discovered 
two things:

1. To see the bedrock I had to crawl on my belly like a snake up stream beds.

2. I could map the limestone without ever seeing it, just by mapping where the 
lush poison ivy grew. (THAT is the Karst tie-in)

After I came West, I could more easily see Rocks and I gradually lost my 
extreme reaction.  But I learned what George cautioned:  Immunity is lost by 
repeated exposure.

Then I moved to Texas and discovered Poison Oak.  It makes TREES going up the 
cliffs with trunks as big around as Bob Oakley's thighs around springs in the 
Big Bend.  ESPECIALLY in what is now Big Bend Ranch State Park.






  

RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst

[Louise Power]

Cave related: When my sister and her now ex were living in Tennessee, they went 
caving one weekend. The entrance was a crawl-in slit, but what Jodie didn't 
realize was that the lush veg at the entrance was p-i. She got it all down her 
front including neck, chest, belly and legs. I think she may have burned her 
clothes when she got home. She used something topical for the itch and 
blisters, but got a cortisone shot from her doc. The blisters finally went 
away. Out West, we have poison oak (same results) and we carry Tech-Nu in our 
warehouse for people to wash up with if they've been exposed. The biggest 
problem is when we get big wildland fires that burn through poison oak areas; 
you can't wash your lungs with Tech-Nu. 



Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 23:15:06 +
From: dirt...@comcast.net
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst








Poison-ivy and Karst

How cave related can you get??  (I'll do everything I can to get this site back 
on track)

I grew up in New York and was terribly allergic to poison ivy as a youngster.  
Like, someone burned some  brush with the vines in the pile, a half-mile away.  
Good Lord, was I ever in an awful itchy situation after the smoke passed over 
me --.  Fortunately my lungs did not react.

When I started to do karst and geological things in upstate NY, I discovered 
two things:

1. To see the bedrock I had to crawl on my belly like a snake up stream beds.

2. I could map the limestone without ever seeing it, just by mapping where the 
lush poison ivy grew. (THAT is the Karst tie-in)

After I came West, I could more easily see Rocks and I gradually lost my 
extreme reaction.  But I learned what George cautioned:  Immunity is lost by 
repeated exposure.

Then I moved to Texas and discovered Poison Oak.  It makes TREES going up the 
cliffs with trunks as big around as Bob Oakley's thighs around springs in the 
Big Bend.  ESPECIALLY in what is now Big Bend Ranch State Park.





  

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Don Arburn]

When affected, I have found -tremendous- relief of the lesions by simply 
spraying them with a jet of very hot water. The sensation is much more 
gratifying than scratching but also completely stops the itching, no meds 
needed after. Hot as I could stand, ONLY on the wound. Strange but true.

Sent cellularly.
-Don

> On Oct 23, 2013, at 11:06 AM, Mary Thiesse  wrote:
> 
> I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea in 
> this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter or 
> spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can enable 
> the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these products 
> seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I think I'll 
> stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then treat with 
> topical steroids if needed.
> 
> Mary TZ
> 
> From: Tom Rogers 
> To: caverarch ; Texascavers@texascavers.com 
> Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
> 
> I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is 
> mineral spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will 
> work. Rub it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There 
> will still be a rash but it will stop it from spreading. Rub down tools with 
> alcohol also to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has 
> built immunity. 
>  Tom
> 
> --- Original Message ---
> 
> From: "caverarch" 
> Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM
> To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
> 
> I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was in my youth. I'm sure this 
> is the result of repeated exposure from lots of field work in the eastern 
> woodlands and blissfully disregarding contact back in those days.
> 
> Roger G. Moore
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: George Veni 
> To: Texas Cavers 
> Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:40 pm
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
> 
> Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can 
> sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are 
> currently immune is to avoid it as much as possible. 
> 
> George
> 
> 
> Sent from my mobile phone
> 
> 
> 
> George Veni, Ph.D.
> Executive Director
> National Cave and Karst Research Institute
> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215
> USA
> Office: 575-887-5517
> Mobile: 210-863-5919
> Fax: 575-887-5523
> gv...@nckri.org
> www.nckri.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Sheryl Rieck  
> Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00) 
> To: Mark Minton  
> Cc: TexasCavers  
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy 
> 
> 
> Good things to know. Since I am not allergic, I haven't been aware of the 
> other treatments.
> 
> Sheryl
> 
> Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant
> True SEM Antics, Inc.
> 832-632-2387 Home
> 361-205-1458 Cell
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Mark Minton  wrote:
> A related product is Tecnu 
> <http://www.teclabsinc.com/products/poison-oak-ivy/tecnu>, also commonly 
> available at pharmacies.  These products wash away the oily residue that 
> causes the rash .  They work best when used as soon as possible after 
> exposure, but can help even the next day or two.  Calamine (pink stuff), on 
> the other hand, is simply a topical anesthetic and antiseptic.  It reduces 
> itching, but doesn't really cure the problem (treats the symptoms, not the 
> disease).  (I'm also not affected by poison ivy, but my partner Yvonne is 
> extremely sensitive.)
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> At 06:06 PM 10/22/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
> I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump on 
> me, always have been.  The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it is 
> http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product
>  
> 
> Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named 
> brand.  I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results.  it's 
> expensive, but worth every cent.
> 
> Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on me.  There 
> was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local pharmacist, drop it 
> into a pint of water and spread the resulting concoction on me, but I swore 
> it was just water, never seemed to help and I don't know the name either.
> 
> If you can, try the above link
> 
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Mary Thiesse]

I have to say that my instincts tell me that solvents seem like a bad idea in 
this case. Working in the lab if there was any kind of chemical splatter or 
spill it was always soap and water to wash off the area. Solvents can enable 
the offender (whatever it is) to penetrate the skin. So using these products 
seems contrary to what I've learned over the years. Personally I think I'll 
stick with soap (Dawn) and water for removal of the oils and then treat with 
topical steroids if needed.

Mary TZ



 From: Tom Rogers 
To: caverarch ; Texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:43 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
 


 
I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is mineral 
spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will work. Rub 
it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There will still 
be a rash but it will stop it from spreading. Rub down tools with alcohol also 
to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has built immunity. 
 Tom

--- Original Message ---

From: "caverarch" 
Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy


I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was in my youth. I'm sure this is 
the result of repeated exposure from lots of field work in the eastern 
woodlands and blissfully disregarding contact back in those days.


Roger G. Moore


-Original Message-
From: George Veni 
To: Texas Cavers 
Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy


Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can 
sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are currently 
immune is to avoid it as much as possible. 

George


Sent from my mobile phone 

 

George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215
USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org 



 Original message 
From: Sheryl Rieck  
Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00) 
To: Mark Minton  
Cc: TexasCavers  
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy 



Good things to know. Since I am not allergic, I haven't been aware of the other 
treatments.


Sheryl



Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant

True SEM Antics, Inc.

832-632-2387 Home

361-205-1458 Cell



On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Mark Minton  wrote:

        A related product is Tecnu 
<http://www.teclabsinc.com/products/poison-oak-ivy/tecnu>, also commonly 
available at pharmacies.  These products wash away the oily residue that causes 
the rash .  They work best when used as soon as possible after exposure, but 
can help even the next day or two.  Calamine (pink stuff), on the other hand, 
is simply a topical anesthetic and antiseptic.  It reduces itching, but doesn't 
really cure the problem (treats the symptoms, not the disease).  (I'm also not 
affected by poison ivy, but my partner Yvonne is extremely sensitive.)
>
>Mark 
>
>
>At 06:06 PM 10/22/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
>
>I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump on me, 
>always have been.  The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it is 
>http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product
> 
>>
>>Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named 
>>brand.  I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results.  it's 
>>expensive, but worth every cent.
>>
>>Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on me.  There 
>>was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local pharmacist, drop it 
>>into a pint of water and spread the resulting concoction on me, but I swore 
>>it was just water, never seemed
 to help and I don't know the name either.
>>
>>If you can, try the above link
>>
>>On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David  wrote:
>>
>>Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal 
>>experience?
>>
>>Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ?
>>
>>4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot 
>>water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable.
>>
>>Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned 
>>people are the most allergic ?
>>
>>David Locklear
>>
>
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RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst

[Bob West]

I remember being very sensitive to poison ivy in my early teens growing up in 
northern Brown county.  All it had to be was springtime and I would get itchy 
welts on my ankles and wrists.  My parents found some poison ivy extract that 
came in a dropper bottle.  I would take 1 drop a day for a week or 10 days; 
then 2 drops a day for that long and do that all the way to 10 drops a day.  I 
would start the drop therapy in the winter so by springtime I was up the the 10 
drop max and my sensitivity was then greatly diminished.

My mother would get poison ivy reaction regularly and not even be around it.  
She stopped getting it when she stopped handling my fathers dirty jeans putting 
them in the washing machine. 

Bob West

Date: Wed, 23 Oct 2013 08:42:57 -0500
From: gi...@att.net
To: dirt...@comcast.net
CC: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst

I forgot to mention an apocryphal story regarding my East Texas cousins who 
were Piney Woods squirrel hunters in their youth and often came home with 
poison ivy lesions. My aunt used an old procedure that involved my cousins 
taking a certain number (which I don't remember) of ripe poison ivy seeds by 
mouth for several (again, I don't remember how many) days. They were, 
reportedly, cured of their sensitivity to poison ivy--or, at least, it was 
greatly diminished. 
--Ediger 

On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:15 PM,   wrote:


Poison-ivy and Karst


How cave related can you get??  (I'll do everything I can to get this site back 
on track)

I grew up in New York and was terribly allergic to poison ivy as a youngster.  
Like, someone burned some  brush with the vines in the pile, a half-mile away.  
Good Lord, was I ever in an awful itchy situation after the smoke passed over 
me --.  Fortunately my lungs did not react.


When I started to do karst and geological things in upstate NY, I discovered 
two things:

1. To see the bedrock I had to crawl on my belly like a snake up stream beds.

2. I could map the limestone without ever seeing it, just by mapping where the 
lush poison ivy grew. (THAT is the Karst tie-in)


After I came West, I could more easily see Rocks and I gradually lost my 
extreme reaction.  But I learned what George cautioned:  Immunity is lost by 
repeated exposure.

Then I moved to Texas and discovered Poison Oak.  It makes TREES going up the 
cliffs with trunks as big around as Bob Oakley's thighs around springs in the 
Big Bend.  ESPECIALLY in what is now Big Bend Ranch State Park.







  

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Tom Rogers]

I recently went to Poison Ivy pit in Bexar County. It lives up to its name. The 
sinkhole was hidden by massive vines. Completely covering it save one port hole 
about 20" diameter. It was the only way in so I rappelled thru that and saw 
that I could have walked into the sink hole from the other side if it wasn't 
choked with poison ivy. It was hanging 10' down the pit. The cave lives up to 
its name, trust me. It didn't get me that time, surprising because I was in my  
"caving clothes"(for those who know my caving attire).
 The worst place to get it? Not the genitals. In the eye. Salt water every ten 
minutes. After that I can largely ignore regular exposures.

--- Original Message ---

From: "Gill Edigar" 
Sent: October 23, 2013 8:51 AM
To: vivb...@att.net
Cc: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

I forgot to mention an apocryphal story regarding my East Texas cousins who
were Piney Woods squirrel hunters in their youth and often came home with
poison ivy lesions. My aunt used an old procedure that involved my cousins
taking a certain number (which I don't remember) of ripe poison ivy seeds
by mouth for several (again, I don't remember how many) days. They were,
reportedly, cured of their sensitivity to poison ivy--or, at least, it was
greatly diminished.
--Ediger


On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:27 AM,  wrote:

>If you're in Texas, it's Poison Ivy. Poison Oak grows on the West
> coast. the leaf and habit is pretty different, but still 3 leaflets per
> leaf, and variable. Poison Ivy forms a vine more, but will also form a
> bush.
>  best way to prevent it is wash and wash and wash again with a good
> oil cutting soap. I use dawn or the brand "technu" which is specific for
> poison ivy. If you're getting new breakout bumps, then you haven't washed
> it all off yet. Half frozen wet paper towels feel really good on it.
>  No one is immune to poison ivy. For some people it takes more
> exposure. The more you are exposed to it, the more sensitive you become.
>  You cannot develop an immunity.
> Vivian Loftin
>
>   --
>  *From:* Bill Walden 
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:11 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
>
>  When I was young I would break out horribly from poison ivy. At age 7
> (1949) I underwent a series of shots for poison ivy. Following those shots
> I didn't break out from contact with poison Ivy. Today it is rare for me to
> get a bubble or two after contact with that plant. I believe that the shots
> are no longer given.
>
> Bill Walden
>
>
>
> On 10/23/2013 8:59 AM, Gill Edigar wrote:
>
> A technical point or two: Reaction to Poison Ivy, etc, is a chemical
> contact condition, not an allergy.
> And I'm not sure that we can describe resistance to it as an 'immunity'
> since it's not a disease.
> I'm a little unsure about Tom's suggestion to use 'mineral spirits' which
> is a carcinogenic organic solvent, i.e.: paint thinner (among other things)
> and should not really be put on the skin. It surely ought to get rid of any
> oils, however.
> Thoughts? Info?
> --Ediger
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Kurt L. Menking wrote:
>
>I also have a small patch of it from TCR this weekend.
>
> For many years I was immune, but while clearing our campsite with a weed
> eater for the first TCR near Luling I was super exposed.  I was in shorts,
> sandals, etc.  I had no idea there was poison ivy around but came down with
> it all over.  After a few days of trying everything and it only getting
> worse I went to the Dr.  It was better the next day, and completely gone in
> 3-4 days.  Prednisone and Desoximetasone cream, both are prescription.
>
> Kurt
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Tom Rogers]

If you don't like the idea of mineral spirits on your skin then just use 
rubbing alcohol. Works almost as good. Or buy over priced deodorized mineral 
spirits(tecnu). Probably just as carcinogenic as canned paint thinners. Any of 
that is way safer than the doctor. I wouldn't want the shot that's lasted over 
fifty years(Bill Walden). If nothing is available water and dirt makes mud. The 
more alkaline the dirt the better. Add some ash to make it even more alkaline.  
Whatever it takes to get the oil off. Anything to avoid doctors.
Tom

--- Original Message ---

From: vivb...@att.net
Sent: October 23, 2013 8:27 AM
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

   If you're in Texas, it's Poison Ivy. Poison Oak grows on the West coast. the 
leaf and habit is pretty different, but still 3 leaflets per leaf, and 
variable. Poison Ivy forms a vine more, but will also form a bush.
 best way to prevent it is wash and wash and wash again with a good oil 
cutting soap. I use dawn or the brand "technu" which is specific for poison 
ivy. If you're getting new breakout bumps, then you haven't washed it all off 
yet. Half frozen wet paper towels feel really good on it.
 No one is immune to poison ivy. For some people it takes more exposure. 
The more you are exposed to it, the more sensitive you become.  You cannot 
develop an immunity.
Vivian Loftin



 From: Bill Walden 
To: texascavers@texascavers.com
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy



When I was young I would break out horribly from poison ivy. At age 7 (1949) I 
underwent a series of shots for poison ivy. Following those shots I didn't 
break out from contact with poison Ivy. Today it is rare for me to get a bubble 
or two after contact with that plant. I believe that the shots are no longer 
given.

Bill Walden



On 10/23/2013 8:59 AM, Gill Edigar wrote:

A technical point or two: Reaction to Poison Ivy, etc, is a chemical contact 
condition, not an allergy.
>And I'm not sure that we can describe resistance to it as an 'immunity' since 
>it's not a disease.
>I'm a little unsure about Tom's suggestion to use 'mineral spirits' which is a 
>carcinogenic organic solvent, i.e.: paint thinner (among other things) and 
>should not really be put on the skin. It surely ought to get rid of any oils, 
>however.
>Thoughts? Info?
>--Ediger
>
>
>
>On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Kurt L. Menking  wrote:
>
>I also have a small patch of it from TCR this weekend.
>>> 
>>>For many years I was immune, but while clearing our campsite with a weed 
>>>eater for the first TCR near Luling I was super exposed.  I was in shorts, 
>>>sandals, etc.  I had no idea there was poison ivy around but came down with 
>>>it all over.  After a few days of trying everything and it only getting 
>>>worse I went to the Dr.  It was better the next day, and completely gone in 
>>>3-4 days.  Prednisone and Desoximetasone cream, both are prescription.
>>> 
>>>Kurt
>

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Gill Edigar]

I forgot to mention an apocryphal story regarding my East Texas cousins who
were Piney Woods squirrel hunters in their youth and often came home with
poison ivy lesions. My aunt used an old procedure that involved my cousins
taking a certain number (which I don't remember) of ripe poison ivy seeds
by mouth for several (again, I don't remember how many) days. They were,
reportedly, cured of their sensitivity to poison ivy--or, at least, it was
greatly diminished.
--Ediger


On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 8:27 AM,  wrote:

>If you're in Texas, it's Poison Ivy. Poison Oak grows on the West
> coast. the leaf and habit is pretty different, but still 3 leaflets per
> leaf, and variable. Poison Ivy forms a vine more, but will also form a
> bush.
>  best way to prevent it is wash and wash and wash again with a good
> oil cutting soap. I use dawn or the brand "technu" which is specific for
> poison ivy. If you're getting new breakout bumps, then you haven't washed
> it all off yet. Half frozen wet paper towels feel really good on it.
>  No one is immune to poison ivy. For some people it takes more
> exposure. The more you are exposed to it, the more sensitive you become.
>  You cannot develop an immunity.
> Vivian Loftin
>
>   --
>  *From:* Bill Walden 
> *To:* texascavers@texascavers.com
> *Sent:* Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:11 AM
> *Subject:* Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
>
>  When I was young I would break out horribly from poison ivy. At age 7
> (1949) I underwent a series of shots for poison ivy. Following those shots
> I didn't break out from contact with poison Ivy. Today it is rare for me to
> get a bubble or two after contact with that plant. I believe that the shots
> are no longer given.
>
> Bill Walden
>
>
>
> On 10/23/2013 8:59 AM, Gill Edigar wrote:
>
> A technical point or two: Reaction to Poison Ivy, etc, is a chemical
> contact condition, not an allergy.
> And I'm not sure that we can describe resistance to it as an 'immunity'
> since it's not a disease.
> I'm a little unsure about Tom's suggestion to use 'mineral spirits' which
> is a carcinogenic organic solvent, i.e.: paint thinner (among other things)
> and should not really be put on the skin. It surely ought to get rid of any
> oils, however.
> Thoughts? Info?
> --Ediger
>
>
> On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Kurt L. Menking wrote:
>
>I also have a small patch of it from TCR this weekend.
>
> For many years I was immune, but while clearing our campsite with a weed
> eater for the first TCR near Luling I was super exposed.  I was in shorts,
> sandals, etc.  I had no idea there was poison ivy around but came down with
> it all over.  After a few days of trying everything and it only getting
> worse I went to the Dr.  It was better the next day, and completely gone in
> 3-4 days.  Prednisone and Desoximetasone cream, both are prescription.
>
> Kurt
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst

[Phil Winkler]

Pretty sure poison oak can be found in the eastern US, too.
http://www.webmd.com/skin-problems-and-treatments/poison-ivy-oak-and-sumac-leaves 
and sumac, too.


At 10/23/2013 08:42 AM -0500, Gill Edigar wrote:
I forgot to mention an apocryphal story regarding my East Texas 
cousins who were Piney Woods squirrel hunters in their youth and 
often came home with poison ivy lesions. My aunt used an old 
procedure that involved my cousins taking a certain number (which I 
don't remember) of ripe poison ivy seeds by mouth for several 
(again, I don't remember how many) days. They were, reportedly, 
cured of their sensitivity to poison ivy--or, at least, it was 
greatly diminished.

--Ediger


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:15 PM, 
<dirt...@comcast.net> wrote:


Poison-ivy and Karst

How cave related can you get??  (I'll do everything I can to get 
this site back on track)


I grew up in New York and was terribly allergic to poison ivy as a 
youngster.  Like, someone burned some  brush with the vines in the 
pile, a half-mile away.  Good Lord, was I ever in an awful itchy 
situation after the smoke passed over me --.  Fortunately my 
lungs did not react.


When I started to do karst and geological things in upstate NY, I 
discovered two things:


1. To see the bedrock I had to crawl on my belly like a snake up stream beds.

2. I could map the limestone without ever seeing it, just by mapping 
where the lush poison ivy grew. (THAT is the Karst tie-in)


After I came West, I could more easily see Rocks and I gradually 
lost my extreme reaction.  But I learned what George 
cautioned:  Immunity is lost by repeated exposure.


Then I moved to Texas and discovered Poison Oak.  It makes TREES 
going up the cliffs with trunks as big around as Bob Oakley's thighs 
around springs in the Big Bend.  ESPECIALLY in what is now Big Bend 
Ranch State Park.







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Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst

[Gill Edigar]

I forgot to mention an apocryphal story regarding my East Texas cousins who
were Piney Woods squirrel hunters in their youth and often came home with
poison ivy lesions. My aunt used an old procedure that involved my cousins
taking a certain number (which I don't remember) of ripe poison ivy seeds
by mouth for several (again, I don't remember how many) days. They were,
reportedly, cured of their sensitivity to poison ivy--or, at least, it was
greatly diminished.
--Ediger


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:15 PM,  wrote:

>
> Poison-ivy and Karst
>
> How cave related can you get??  (I'll do everything I can to get this site
> back on track)
>
> I grew up in New York and was terribly allergic to poison ivy as a
> youngster.  Like, someone burned some  brush with the vines in the pile, a
> half-mile away.  Good Lord, was I ever in an awful itchy situation after
> the smoke passed over me --.  Fortunately my lungs did not react.
>
> When I started to do karst and geological things in upstate NY, I
> discovered two things:
>
> 1. To see the bedrock I had to crawl on my belly like a snake up stream
> beds.
>
> 2. I could map the limestone without ever seeing it, just by mapping where
> the lush poison ivy grew. (THAT is the Karst tie-in)
>
> After I came West, I could more easily see Rocks and I gradually lost my
> extreme reaction.  But I learned what George cautioned:  Immunity is lost
> by repeated exposure.
>
> Then I moved to Texas and discovered Poison Oak.  It makes TREES going up
> the cliffs with trunks as big around as Bob Oakley's thighs around springs
> in the Big Bend.  ESPECIALLY in what is now Big Bend Ranch State Park.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[vivbone]

   If you're in Texas, it's Poison Ivy. Poison Oak grows on the West coast. the 
leaf and habit is pretty different, but still 3 leaflets per leaf, and 
variable. Poison Ivy forms a vine more, but will also form a bush. 
     best way to prevent it is wash and wash and wash again with a good oil 
cutting soap. I use dawn or the brand "technu" which is specific for poison 
ivy. If you're getting new breakout bumps, then you haven't washed it all off 
yet. Half frozen wet paper towels feel really good on it.
     No one is immune to poison ivy. For some people it takes more exposure. 
The more you are exposed to it, the more sensitive you become.  You cannot 
develop an immunity.
Vivian Loftin



 From: Bill Walden 
To: texascavers@texascavers.com 
Sent: Wednesday, October 23, 2013 8:11 AM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
 


When I was young I would break out horribly from poison ivy. At age 7 (1949) I 
underwent a series of shots for poison ivy. Following those shots I didn't 
break out from contact with poison Ivy. Today it is rare for me to get a bubble 
or two after contact with that plant. I believe that the shots are no longer 
given.

Bill Walden



On 10/23/2013 8:59 AM, Gill Edigar wrote:

A technical point or two: Reaction to Poison Ivy, etc, is a chemical contact 
condition, not an allergy.  
>And I'm not sure that we can describe resistance to it as an 'immunity' since 
>it's not a disease. 
>I'm a little unsure about Tom's suggestion to use 'mineral spirits' which is a 
>carcinogenic organic solvent, i.e.: paint thinner (among other things) and 
>should not really be put on the skin. It surely ought to get rid of any oils, 
>however. 
>Thoughts? Info? 
>--Ediger 
>
>
>
>On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Kurt L. Menking  wrote:
>
>I also have a small patch of it from TCR this weekend. 
>>> 
>>>For many years I was immune, but while clearing our campsite with a weed 
>>>eater for the first TCR near Luling I was super exposed.  I was in shorts, 
>>>sandals, etc.  I had no idea there was poison ivy around but came down with 
>>>it all over.  After a few days of trying everything and it only getting 
>>>worse I went to the Dr.  It was better the next day, and completely gone in 
>>>3-4 days.  Prednisone and Desoximetasone cream, both are prescription.
>>> 
>>>Kurt 
>

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst

[vivbone]

     If you're in Texas, it's Poison Ivy. Poison Oak grows on the West coast. 
the leaf and habit is pretty different, but still 3 leaflets per leaf, and 
variable. Poison Ivy forms a vine more, but will also form a bush. 
     best way to prevent it is wash and wash and wash again with a good oil 
cutting soap. I use dawn or the brand "technu" which is specific for poison 
ivy. If you're getting new breakout bumps, then you haven't washed it all off 
yet. Half frozen wet paper towels feel really good on it.
     No one is immune to poison ivy. For some people it takes more exposure. 
The more you are exposed to it, the more sensitive you become.  You cannot 
develop an immunity.



 From: Charles Goldsmith 
To: Gill Edigar  
Cc: "Deal, Dwight" ; Cave Texas 
 
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 11:13 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst
 


Easy Gill, poison oak grows on trees :)



On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Gill Edigar  wrote:

I've never had anybody successfully identify the difference between poison ivy 
and poison oak for me. They look the same to my eyes. 
>--Ediger
>
>
>
>On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:15 PM,  wrote:
>
>
>>Poison-ivy and Karst
>>
>>How cave related can you get??  (I'll do everything I can to get this site 
>>back on track)
>>
>>I grew up in New York and was terribly allergic to poison ivy as a youngster. 
>> Like, someone burned some  brush with the vines in the pile, a half-mile 
>>away.  Good Lord, was I ever in an awful itchy situation after the smoke 
>>passed over me --.  Fortunately my lungs did not react.
>>
>>When I started to do karst and geological things in upstate NY, I discovered 
>>two things:
>>
>>1. To see the bedrock I had to crawl on my belly like a snake up stream beds.
>>
>>2. I could map the limestone without ever seeing it, just by mapping where 
>>the lush poison ivy grew. (THAT is the Karst tie-in)
>>
>>After I came West, I could more easily see Rocks and I gradually lost my 
>>extreme reaction.  But I learned what George cautioned:  Immunity is lost by 
>>repeated exposure.
>>
>>Then I moved to Texas and discovered Poison Oak.  It makes TREES going up the 
>>cliffs with trunks as big around as Bob Oakley's thighs around springs in the 
>>Big Bend.  ESPECIALLY in what is now Big Bend Ranch State Park.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Bill Walden]

When I was young I would break out horribly from poison ivy. At age 7 
(1949) I underwent a series of shots for poison ivy. Following those 
shots I didn't break out from contact with poison Ivy. Today it is rare 
for me to get a bubble or two after contact with that plant. I believe 
that the shots are no longer given.


Bill Walden



On 10/23/2013 8:59 AM, Gill Edigar wrote:
A technical point or two: Reaction to Poison Ivy, etc, is a chemical 
contact condition, not an allergy.
And I'm not sure that we can describe resistance to it as an 
'immunity' since it's not a disease.
I'm a little unsure about Tom's suggestion to use 'mineral spirits' 
which is a carcinogenic organic solvent, i.e.: paint thinner (among 
other things) and should not really be put on the skin. It surely 
ought to get rid of any oils, however.

Thoughts? Info?
--Ediger


On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Kurt L. Menking > wrote:


I also have a small patch of it from TCR this weekend.

For many years I was immune, but while clearing our campsite
with a weed eater for the first TCR near Luling I was super
exposed.  I was in shorts, sandals, etc.  I had no idea there
was poison ivy around but came down with it all over.  After a
few days of trying everything and it only getting worse I went
to the Dr.  It was better the next day, and completely gone in
3-4 days. Prednisone and Desoximetasone cream, both are
prescription.

Kurt

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Gill Edigar]

A technical point or two: Reaction to Poison Ivy, etc, is a chemical
contact condition, not an allergy.
And I'm not sure that we can describe resistance to it as an 'immunity'
since it's not a disease.
I'm a little unsure about Tom's suggestion to use 'mineral spirits' which
is a carcinogenic organic solvent, i.e.: paint thinner (among other things)
and should not really be put on the skin. It surely ought to get rid of any
oils, however.
Thoughts? Info?
--Ediger


On Wed, Oct 23, 2013 at 6:50 AM, Kurt L. Menking  wrote:

>I also have a small patch of it from TCR this weekend. 
>
> ** **
>
> For many years I was immune, but while clearing our campsite with a weed
> eater for the first TCR near Luling I was super exposed.  I was in shorts,
> sandals, etc.  I had no idea there was poison ivy around but came down with
> it all over.  After a few days of trying everything and it only getting
> worse I went to the Dr.  It was better the next day, and completely gone in
> 3-4 days.  Prednisone and Desoximetasone cream, both are prescription.
>
> ** **
>
> Kurt 
>
>

RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Kurt L. Menking]

I also have a small patch of it from TCR this weekend.

For many years I was immune, but while clearing our campsite with a weed eater 
for the first TCR near Luling I was super exposed.  I was in shorts, sandals, 
etc.  I had no idea there was poison ivy around but came down with it all over. 
 After a few days of trying everything and it only getting worse I went to the 
Dr.  It was better the next day, and completely gone in 3-4 days.  Prednisone 
and Desoximetasone cream, both are prescription.

Kurt

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst

[Charles Goldsmith]

Easy Gill, poison oak grows on trees :)


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 11:05 PM, Gill Edigar  wrote:

> I've never had anybody successfully identify the difference between poison
> ivy and poison oak for me. They look the same to my eyes.
> --Ediger
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:15 PM,  wrote:
>
>>
>> Poison-ivy and Karst
>>
>> How cave related can you get??  (I'll do everything I can to get this
>> site back on track)
>>
>> I grew up in New York and was terribly allergic to poison ivy as a
>> youngster.  Like, someone burned some  brush with the vines in the pile, a
>> half-mile away.  Good Lord, was I ever in an awful itchy situation after
>> the smoke passed over me --.  Fortunately my lungs did not react.
>>
>> When I started to do karst and geological things in upstate NY, I
>> discovered two things:
>>
>> 1. To see the bedrock I had to crawl on my belly like a snake up stream
>> beds.
>>
>> 2. I could map the limestone without ever seeing it, just by mapping
>> where the lush poison ivy grew. (THAT is the Karst tie-in)
>>
>> After I came West, I could more easily see Rocks and I gradually lost my
>> extreme reaction.  But I learned what George cautioned:  Immunity is lost
>> by repeated exposure.
>>
>> Then I moved to Texas and discovered Poison Oak.  It makes TREES going up
>> the cliffs with trunks as big around as Bob Oakley's thighs around springs
>> in the Big Bend.  ESPECIALLY in what is now Big Bend Ranch State Park.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy and Karst

[Gill Edigar]

I've never had anybody successfully identify the difference between poison
ivy and poison oak for me. They look the same to my eyes.
--Ediger


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 6:15 PM,  wrote:

>
> Poison-ivy and Karst
>
> How cave related can you get??  (I'll do everything I can to get this site
> back on track)
>
> I grew up in New York and was terribly allergic to poison ivy as a
> youngster.  Like, someone burned some  brush with the vines in the pile, a
> half-mile away.  Good Lord, was I ever in an awful itchy situation after
> the smoke passed over me --.  Fortunately my lungs did not react.
>
> When I started to do karst and geological things in upstate NY, I
> discovered two things:
>
> 1. To see the bedrock I had to crawl on my belly like a snake up stream
> beds.
>
> 2. I could map the limestone without ever seeing it, just by mapping where
> the lush poison ivy grew. (THAT is the Karst tie-in)
>
> After I came West, I could more easily see Rocks and I gradually lost my
> extreme reaction.  But I learned what George cautioned:  Immunity is lost
> by repeated exposure.
>
> Then I moved to Texas and discovered Poison Oak.  It makes TREES going up
> the cliffs with trunks as big around as Bob Oakley's thighs around springs
> in the Big Bend.  ESPECIALLY in what is now Big Bend Ranch State Park.
>
>
>
>
>
>

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[cvreeland]

This is true, by my experience. I wasn't at all allergic - could rub it on my 
skin to no effect until I was in my mid-30's. Was out ridge walking, and stuck 
my face down in a patch of it to look into a low lead under a ledge, and later 
noticed just the faintest of itches, but no real rash. About 6 months later, 
got into another patch while weeding the side yard at the old VG location on 
Shady Ln (river bottom, so it was everywhere) and BLAM. I am now full-blown 
don't even look at it allergic.

On Oct 22, 2013, at 5:40 PM, George Veni  wrote:

> Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can 
> sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are 
> currently immune is to avoid it as much as possible. 
> 
> George
> 
> 
> Sent from my mobile phone
> 
> 
> 
> George Veni, Ph.D.
> Executive Director
> National Cave and Karst Research Institute
> 400-1 Cascades Avenue
> Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215
> USA
> Office: 575-887-5517
> Mobile: 210-863-5919
> Fax: 575-887-5523
> gv...@nckri.org
> www.nckri.org
> 
> 
> 
> 
>  Original message 
> From: Sheryl Rieck  
> Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00) 
> To: Mark Minton  
> Cc: TexasCavers  
> Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy 
> 
> 
> Good things to know. Since I am not allergic, I haven't been aware of the 
> other treatments.
> 
> Sheryl
> 
> Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant
> True SEM Antics, Inc.
> 832-632-2387 Home
> 361-205-1458 Cell
> 
> 
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Mark Minton  wrote:
> A related product is Tecnu 
> <http://www.teclabsinc.com/products/poison-oak-ivy/tecnu>, also commonly 
> available at pharmacies.  These products wash away the oily residue that 
> causes the rash .  They work best when used as soon as possible after 
> exposure, but can help even the next day or two.  Calamine (pink stuff), on 
> the other hand, is simply a topical anesthetic and antiseptic.  It reduces 
> itching, but doesn't really cure the problem (treats the symptoms, not the 
> disease).  (I'm also not affected by poison ivy, but my partner Yvonne is 
> extremely sensitive.)
> 
> Mark
> 
> 
> At 06:06 PM 10/22/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
> I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump on 
> me, always have been.  The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it is 
> http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product
>  
> 
> Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named 
> brand.  I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results.  it's 
> expensive, but worth every cent.
> 
> Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on me.  There 
> was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local pharmacist, drop it 
> into a pint of water and spread the resulting concoction on me, but I swore 
> it was just water, never seemed to help and I don't know the name either.
> 
> If you can, try the above link
> 
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David  wrote:
> 
> Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal 
> experience?
> 
> Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ?
> 
> 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot 
> water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable.
> 
> Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned 
> people are the most allergic ?
> 
> David Locklear
> 
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Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Tom Rogers]

I have had it many times. I have now from TCR. The best stuff to use is mineral 
spirits. The main ingredient in tecnu. Any alcohol based liquid will work. Rub 
it on immediately. Rinse with water after about ten minutes. There will still 
be a rash but it will stop it from spreading. Rub down tools with alcohol also 
to remove poison ivy oil. I suspect my repeated exposures has built immunity.
 Tom

--- Original Message ---

From: "caverarch" 
Sent: October 22, 2013 6:12 PM
To: Texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was in my youth. I'm sure this is 
the result of repeated exposure from lots of field work in the eastern 
woodlands and blissfully disregarding contact back in those days.


Roger G. Moore



-Original Message-
From: George Veni 
To: Texas Cavers 
Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy



Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can 
sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are currently 
immune is to avoid it as much as possible.


George




Sent from my mobile phone





George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215
USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org





 Original message 
From: Sheryl Rieck 
Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00)
To: Mark Minton 
Cc: TexasCavers 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy




Good things to know. Since I am not allergic, I haven't been aware of the other 
treatments.


Sheryl




Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant

True SEM Antics, Inc.

832-632-2387 Home

361-205-1458 Cell





On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Mark Minton  wrote:

A related product is Tecnu 
<http://www.teclabsinc.com/products/poison-oak-ivy/tecnu>, also commonly 
available at pharmacies.  These products wash away the oily residue that causes 
the rash .  They work best when used as soon as possible after exposure, but 
can help even the next day or two.  Calamine (pink stuff), on the other hand, 
is simply a topical anesthetic and antiseptic.  It reduces itching, but doesn't 
really cure the problem (treats the symptoms, not the disease).  (I'm also not 
affected by poison ivy, but my partner Yvonne is extremely sensitive.)

Mark


At 06:06 PM 10/22/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote:

I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump on me, 
always have been.  The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it 
ishttp://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product

Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named brand.  
I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results.  it's expensive, but 
worth every cent.

Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on me.  There 
was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local pharmacist, drop it 
into a pint of water and spread the resulting concoction on me, but I swore it 
was just water, never seemed to help and I don't know the name either.

If you can, try the above link

On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David  wrote:

Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal 
experience?

Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ?

4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot water, 
and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable.

Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned 
people are the most allergic ?

David Locklear



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Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[caverarch]

I am a bit more sensitive to the vine than I was in my youth. I'm sure this is 
the result of repeated exposure from lots of field work in the eastern 
woodlands and blissfully disregarding contact back in those days.


Roger G. Moore



-Original Message-
From: George Veni 
To: Texas Cavers 
Sent: Tue, Oct 22, 2013 5:40 pm
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy



Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can 
sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are currently 
immune is to avoid it as much as possible. 


George




Sent from my mobile phone





George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215
USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org





 Original message 
From: Sheryl Rieck  
Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00) 
To: Mark Minton  
Cc: TexasCavers  
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy 




Good things to know. Since I am not allergic, I haven't been aware of the other 
treatments.


Sheryl




Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant

True SEM Antics, Inc.

832-632-2387 Home

361-205-1458 Cell





On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Mark Minton  wrote:

A related product is Tecnu 
<http://www.teclabsinc.com/products/poison-oak-ivy/tecnu>, also commonly 
available at pharmacies.  These products wash away the oily residue that causes 
the rash .  They work best when used as soon as possible after exposure, but 
can help even the next day or two.  Calamine (pink stuff), on the other hand, 
is simply a topical anesthetic and antiseptic.  It reduces itching, but doesn't 
really cure the problem (treats the symptoms, not the disease).  (I'm also not 
affected by poison ivy, but my partner Yvonne is extremely sensitive.)

Mark


At 06:06 PM 10/22/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote:

I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump on me, 
always have been.  The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it 
ishttp://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product

Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named brand.  
I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results.  it's expensive, but 
worth every cent.

Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on me.  There 
was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local pharmacist, drop it 
into a pint of water and spread the resulting concoction on me, but I swore it 
was just water, never seemed to help and I don't know the name either.

If you can, try the above link

On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David  wrote:

Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal 
experience?

Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ?

4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot water, 
and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable.

Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned 
people are the most allergic ?

David Locklear



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RE: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Louise Power]

The Mayo Clinic site says: 

 

For more severe or widespread rashes — especially if it's on your face or 
genitals — your doctor may suggest taking corticosteroid pills, such as 
prednisone, for a few weeks. 
 



From: donarb...@mac.com
Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 17:44:13 -0500
CC: texascavers@texascavers.com
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy


DONT INHALE THE SMOKE OF IT.

Sent cellularly. 
-Don

On Oct 22, 2013, at 4:47 PM, David  wrote:




Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal 
experience?

Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ?

4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot water, 
and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable.

Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned 
people are the most allergic ?


David Locklear
  

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Don Arburn]

DONT INHALE THE SMOKE OF IT.

Sent cellularly.
-Don

> On Oct 22, 2013, at 4:47 PM, David  wrote:
> 
> Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal 
> experience?
> 
> Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ?
> 
> 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot 
> water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable.
> 
> Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned 
> people are the most allergic ?
> 
> David Locklear

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[George Veni]

Poison ivy never bothered me for many years, but I learned that immunity can 
sometimes be lost by repeated exposure. So my advice to those who are currently 
immune is to avoid it as much as possible.

George


Sent from my mobile phone



George Veni, Ph.D.
Executive Director
National Cave and Karst Research Institute
400-1 Cascades Avenue
Carlsbad, New Mexico 88220-6215
USA
Office: 575-887-5517
Mobile: 210-863-5919
Fax: 575-887-5523
gv...@nckri.org
www.nckri.org




 Original message 
From: Sheryl Rieck 
Date: 2013/10/22 16:31 (GMT-07:00)
To: Mark Minton 
Cc: TexasCavers 
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy


Good things to know. Since I am not allergic, I haven't been aware of the other 
treatments.

Sheryl

Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant
True SEM Antics, Inc.
832-632-2387 Home
361-205-1458 Cell


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Mark Minton 
mailto:mmin...@caver.net>> wrote:
A related product is Tecnu 
<http://www.teclabsinc.com/products/poison-oak-ivy/tecnu>, also commonly 
available at pharmacies.  These products wash away the oily residue that causes 
the rash .  They work best when used as soon as possible after exposure, but 
can help even the next day or two.  Calamine (pink stuff), on the other hand, 
is simply a topical anesthetic and antiseptic.  It reduces itching, but doesn't 
really cure the problem (treats the symptoms, not the disease).  (I'm also not 
affected by poison ivy, but my partner Yvonne is extremely sensitive.)

Mark


At 06:06 PM 10/22/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump on me, 
always have been.  The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it is 
http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product

Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named brand.  
I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results.  it's expensive, but 
worth every cent.

Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on me.  There 
was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local pharmacist, drop it 
into a pint of water and spread the resulting concoction on me, but I swore it 
was just water, never seemed to help and I don't know the name either.

If you can, try the above link

On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David 
mailto:dlocklea...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal 
experience?

Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ?

4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot water, 
and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable.

Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned 
people are the most allergic ?

David Locklear

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Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Sheryl Rieck]

Good things to know. Since I am not allergic, I haven't been aware of the
other treatments.

Sheryl

Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant
True SEM Antics, Inc.
832-632-2387 Home
361-205-1458 Cell


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 5:27 PM, Mark Minton  wrote:

> A related product is Tecnu  products/poison-oak-ivy/tecnu
> >**, also commonly available at pharmacies.  These products wash away the
> oily residue that causes the rash .  They work best when used as soon as
> possible after exposure, but can help even the next day or two.  Calamine
> (pink stuff), on the other hand, is simply a topical anesthetic and
> antiseptic.  It reduces itching, but doesn't really cure the problem
> (treats the symptoms, not the disease).  (I'm also not affected by poison
> ivy, but my partner Yvonne is extremely sensitive.)
>
> Mark
>
>
> At 06:06 PM 10/22/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
>
>> I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump
>> on me, always have been.  The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it
>> is http://www.walgreens.com/**store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-**
>> wash/ID=prod6113607-product
>>
>> Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named
>> brand.  I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results.  it's
>> expensive, but worth every cent.
>>
>> Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on me.
>>  There was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local
>> pharmacist, drop it into a pint of water and spread the resulting
>> concoction on me, but I swore it was just water, never seemed to help and I
>> don't know the name either.
>>
>> If you can, try the above link
>>
>> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David  wrote:
>>
>> Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from
>> personal experience?
>>
>> Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ?
>>
>> 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot
>> water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable.
>>
>> Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that
>> white-skinned people are the most allergic ?
>>
>> David Locklear
>>
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Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Mark Minton]

A related product is Tecnu 
, also 
commonly available at pharmacies.  These products wash away the oily 
residue that causes the rash .  They work best when used as soon as 
possible after exposure, but can help even the next day or 
two.  Calamine (pink stuff), on the other hand, is simply a topical 
anesthetic and antiseptic.  It reduces itching, but doesn't really 
cure the problem (treats the symptoms, not the disease).  (I'm also 
not affected by poison ivy, but my partner Yvonne is extremely sensitive.)


Mark

At 06:06 PM 10/22/2013, Charles Goldsmith wrote:
I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it 
jump on me, always have been.  The best stuff I've ever found to get 
rid of it is 
http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product 



Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are 
named brand.  I've used the walgreen's brand with very good 
results.  it's expensive, but worth every cent.


Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on 
me.  There was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local 
pharmacist, drop it into a pint of water and spread the resulting 
concoction on me, but I swore it was just water, never seemed to 
help and I don't know the name either.


If you can, try the above link

On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David  wrote:

Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from 
personal experience?


Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ?

4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or 
hot water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable.


Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that 
white-skinned people are the most allergic ?


David Locklear


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Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[gary Dunham]

Ichycoo red spray bottle dont know if they still make it
On Oct 22, 2013 5:07 PM, "Charles Goldsmith"  wrote:

> I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump on
> me, always have been.  The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it is
> http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product
>
>
> Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named
> brand.  I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results.  it's
> expensive, but worth every cent.
>
> Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on me.
>  There was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local
> pharmacist, drop it into a pint of water and spread the resulting
> concoction on me, but I swore it was just water, never seemed to help and I
> don't know the name either.
>
> If you can, try the above link
>
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David  wrote:
>
>> Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from
>> personal experience?
>>
>> Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ?
>>
>> 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot
>> water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable.
>>
>> Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that
>> white-skinned people are the most allergic ?
>>
>> David Locklear
>>
>
>

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

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I am also totally immune. My daughter, however, has been horribly allergic to 
it since she was 8 years old (now 23). She always has to take prednisone to get 
rid of it once it starts. For her, it always causes a systemic reaction. 
Everyone in our family is immune except for her and my ex-mother-in-law.
 
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 From: George D. Nincehelser 
To: David  
Cc: CaveTex  
Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 5:02 PM
Subject: Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy
 


I seem to be immune to poison ivy... so immune that I don't even know what 
poison ivy really looks like.  Last year I was apparently standing in patch 
with shorts and sandals.  It didn't bother me one bit.

Nettles are another matter.  Luckily a little bit of mud cures that for me.



On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David  wrote:

Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal 
experience?
>Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ?
>4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot 
>water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable.
>Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that white-skinned 
>people are the most allergic ?
>
>David Locklear

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Charles Goldsmith]

I'm very allergic to it, I swear I can just look at a plant and it jump on
me, always have been.  The best stuff I've ever found to get rid of it is
http://www.walgreens.com/store/c/walgreens-poison-ivy-wash/ID=prod6113607-product


Of course that's a store brand, there are other products that are named
brand.  I've used the walgreen's brand with very good results.  it's
expensive, but worth every cent.

Pink stuff didn't seem to work very well, my mom always put it on me.
 There was also some form of tablet she would buy from the local
pharmacist, drop it into a pint of water and spread the resulting
concoction on me, but I swore it was just water, never seemed to help and I
don't know the name either.

If you can, try the above link



On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David  wrote:

> Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal
> experience?
>
> Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ?
>
> 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot
> water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable.
>
> Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that
> white-skinned people are the most allergic ?
>
> David Locklear
>

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[George D. Nincehelser]

I seem to be immune to poison ivy... so immune that I don't even know what
poison ivy really looks like.  Last year I was apparently standing in patch
with shorts and sandals.  It didn't bother me one bit.

Nettles are another matter.  Luckily a little bit of mud cures that for me.


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David  wrote:

> Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal
> experience?
>
> Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ?
>
> 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot
> water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable.
>
> Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that
> white-skinned people are the most allergic ?
>
> David Locklear
>

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Sheryl Rieck]

Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant
True SEM Antics, Inc.
832-632-2387 Home
361-205-1458 Cell


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:51 PM, Sheryl Rieck wrote:

> I am not allergic and you don't get much whiter-skinned than I. I also
> have never heard of any particular ethnic group immunity. The pink goop
> helps, calamine lotion. You should avoid spreading by not scratching and
> then touching other parts of your body. It mostly has to run its course
> unless you go to the doctor.
>
> Sheryl
>
> Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant
> True SEM Antics, Inc.
> 832-632-2387 Home
> 361-205-1458 Cell
>
>
> On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David  wrote:
>
>> Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from
>> personal experience?
>>
>> Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ?
>>
>> 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot
>> water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable.
>>
>> Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that
>> white-skinned people are the most allergic ?
>>
>> David Locklear
>>
>
>

Re: [Texascavers] Poison-ivy

[Sheryl Rieck]

I am not allergic and you don't get much whiter-skinned than I. I also have
never heard of any particular ethnic group immunity. The pink goop helps,
calamine lotion. You should avoid spreading by not scratching and then
touching other parts of your body. It mostly has to run its course unless
you go to the doctor.

Sheryl

Sheryl Rieck, Senior Oracle Financials Consultant
True SEM Antics, Inc.
832-632-2387 Home
361-205-1458 Cell


On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 4:47 PM, David  wrote:

> Anybody know the best proven treatment for a poison-ivy rash from personal
> experience?
>
> Anybody have a good theory about how to boost immunity ?
>
> 4 things that I feel make it worse are scratching, sunlight, heat or hot
> water, and drying off with bath towels, all of which seem unavoidable.
>
> Is it true that some ethnic groups are not allergic, and that
> white-skinned people are the most allergic ?
>
> David Locklear
>