date:20210313

Hi Jeremy,


On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 5:11 PM Jeremy Ruston 
wrote:

> Of the 123 selectors, an awful lot fall into some special categories like
> diffs, alerts, modals, and TiddlyDesktop’s wikilist. Adding foldable groups
> to the palette editor would go a long way to making things more
> comprehensible.
>
>
So, we can with much smaller set!



> Ideally, the user would select a handful of cornerstone colours and there
> would be sensible defaults to ripple them through the specific entries,
> most of which should be expressed in terms of those cornerstone colours.
>


Do you recommend having a dynamic stylesheet or have a tool to create the
static stylesheet? The question is true for the color palette.


>
> To do that, we’d probably need some colour mixing macros, so that one
> could set a palette entry to, say, the primary colour at 50% brightness.
>

In color play I have used a small blend macro (JS) to create shades and
tints the outs are acceptable and you can mix any other color. It uses a
simple formula like below:

// 4: blend
var color3 = [
(1 - percentage) * color1[0] + percentage * color2[0],
(1 - percentage) * color1[1] + percentage * color2[1],
(1 - percentage) * color1[2] + percentage * color2[2] ];


(see: https://colorplay.tiddlyhost.com/#Color%20Scheme%20UI%20with%20Stripe)
other properties like alpha value can be added.

Best wishes
>
> Jeremy
>
> On 12 Mar 2021, at 04:50, Mohammad Rahmani 
> wrote:
>
> Hi Chris,
>  Thank you for your reply!
>   Yes, I think so, getting to sort out the vanilla palette and try
> removing extra selectors is a tough job!
>  I like to know what Jeremy thinks about this.
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
>
>
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 5:26 AM clutterstack  wrote:
>
>> Hi Mohammad,
>>
>> I very much agree that the palette is very uncomfortable to tweak
>> selector-by-selector.
>>
>> I think this has grown organically and cleaning it up (or rethinking the
>> impact of changing it) is a tedious job. What breaks if we don't have all
>> the selectors currently in Vanilla? I haven't investigated (except
>> occasionally by accident, ha).
>>
>> There are a bunch of "wikilist" ones at the end that I think are for
>> TiddlyDesktop(?) and so add to the number without making the TW theming
>> more complicated.
>>
>> I haven't looked (and I should, if I'm going to be playing with this sort
>> of thing), but I would guess that there are themes out there that don't
>> need Vanilla, with fewer selectors.
>>
>> I'm rambling. I agree with what you say. At the moment, it seems to me
>> that grouping some selectors together, as I'm doing, but perhaps a bit less
>> aggressively (or more aggressively?) will make it easier for users to make
>> themes without making any changes to the core.
>>
>> Thomas Elmiger and Jeremy have evidently been thinking about colour and
>> colour harmony tools for some time, from the thread you referenced
>> (Jeremy's response and TT's link to telmiger's colour tools page).
>>
>> Best,
>> Chris
>>
>> On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 11:52:59 AM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:
>>
>>> Referencing to Tweakable colour palette
>>> 
>>>
>>> 1. Goto https://tiddlywiki.com/
>>> 2. Open the Advanced search
>>> 
>>> 3. In the filter tab enter [[$:/palettes/Vanilla]indexes[]count[]]
>>>
>>> You see there are *132 *css selectors!
>>>
>>> Trying to create a new template is a BIG headache!
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Best wishes
>>> Mohammad
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Tiddlywiki Color Template: Too many colors to be set

Hi Thomas,

On Sun, Mar 14, 2021 at 12:49 AM Thomas Elmiger 
wrote:

> Is there any list to recognize the important elements?
>>
>
> Well, here are *some* elements I did consider important:
> https://tid.li/tw5/apps/bricks.html#%24%3A%2Fapps%2Ftelmiger%2Fbricks%2Freadability
> But it depends both on the design and the usage.
>

Thank you! I think this is a good start! I think it is also useful to have
all possible items (e.g text, links, button, other inputs edittext, range,
...) to test in the above readability tiddler.

>
> Example for theme complexity: I found it really hard to style a theme with
> bright colours (dark font on light background) in the story river and dark
> mode (bright fonts on dark background) in the sidebar.
> Examples for usage importance: The saving confirmation popping up in the
> top right corner is important for folks like me using the single page
> version and a browser plugin. It might be less important for people working
> on Node.js.
>
> By the way, you can see that my solution is not working for all colour
> definitions. In CSS and in TiddlyWiki you can define a colour value as
> "inherit" – but it is impossible to test that with my macros.
>
> Hovering over the test lines with the mouse will show you the macro input
> (near the border) and the output colours tested.
>

Yes, I found it really tough! I am not sure if it is possible to start with
a theme+palette from scratch! and build build everything on top of them.



>
>
> All the best,
> Thomas
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[tw5] Re: Some more thoughts on linking in TW (aliases, display text, and relationship types: Oh My!)

2021-03-13 Thread Soren Bjornstad

Thomas,

I must admit, i am not able to see the advantage of storing information 
> about a person or object in a link instead of in a field. In fields you can 
> store 
>
> name: Joe
> familiy: Doe
> father: Alfred Doe
> mother: Beatrix Doe
> spouse: Foo Bar
> course-about-hacking: attended
>

Indeed, and in many cases that may well be a better approach. The primary 
benefit to relationships on the links, to me, is that if you want to have a 
clickable link in the text, you don't have to describe the relationship 
twice, once in the text and once in the field. Don't repeat yourself 
 should apply to 
TiddlyWiki.

I appear to have been the one who originally sparked this discussion, and I 
have to admit I'm surprised how much interest it's gotten. :-) I wouldn't 
be terribly disappointed if nobody wanted it, because as you point out 
there are few major advantages to typed links over fields, but I do think 
it could be a marginal improvement in quite a few cases.

Question: how would HTML handle the additional relation information?  Could 
> it be presented to users in a useful and accessible way?
>

This is a good point! Maybe a tooltip if there isn't already one on the 
link?
 

> And a short reminder: HTML anchors  (a) already can have *type* and *rel* 
> attributes – both are not supported by the link widget at the moment, but 
> there are indeed some kinds of relations already covered to be aware of. 
> https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/a
>

Interesting idea, but if I'm reading the Mozilla docs correctly, both these 
attributes have a specific set of standard values, so it wouldn't work for 
adding arbitrary relationships in TW.
 

>  One last provocation: How about [[ Joe (stepson) | Joe Doe ]] ?
>

You can't introspect this using filters, at least not easily, which I think 
was the primary goal of this proposal.

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[tw5] Re: How to Backup and Restore TiddlyWiki on Nodejs?

2021-03-13 Thread Joshua Fontany

If you are starting tiddlywiki on node with `tiddlywiki 
/home/username.wiki/ --listen <>` then yes, this seems like a good 
"quick" backup strategy. Because of the way TW modularly loads itself in 
node & the browser, you should have everything you need from the 
"/home/username.wiki/" ZIP files. Bare monimum you would need is the 
"tiddlywiki.info" file (a JSON describing the TW startup options for that 
wiki) and the contained "tiddlers/" folder inside the wiki folder.

You can simply unzip an archive anywhere, and replace that directory in the 
command to start the TW server.

Alternately, you can use the `tiddlywiki ~/Path/To/MyWiki --rendertiddler 
$:/core/save/all index.html text/plain` to render the folder-style wiki 
into a single "index.html" file (or change the 2nd parameter in the 
command), which will be placed in a newly created "output/" folder in the 
wiki directory.

Reference: 
https://tiddlywiki.com/#How%20to%20build%20a%20TiddlyWiki5%20from%20individual%20tiddlers:%5B%5BHow%20to%20build%20a%20TiddlyWiki5%20from%20individual%20tiddlers%5D%5D%20Commands%20HelloThere%20GettingStarted%20Community

Best,
Joshua Fontany

On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 2:23:17 PM UTC-8  wrote:

> I've setup TiddlyWiki on an Ubuntu server. It's running on Nodejs. I've 
> got a shell script that zips up my /home/username/wiki/ directory. The 
> shell script then runs a PHP script that renames the zip file to 
> DAYOFMONTH_wiki.zip. For example, if today is March 13th, then it renames 
> the zip file to:
>
> 13_wiki.zip
>
> The idea here is that it backs up the files on a monthly rotation, so 
> there shouldn't be more than about 30 backup files (for 30 days in the 
> month) since when the new month rolls around it will replace 1_wiki.zip, 
> then 2_wiki.zip and so on.
>
> This PHP script then uploads the renamed zip file to my Amazon S3 bucket 
> each day and also when the server reboots (it's a cron job).
>
> Anyways, could someone please confirm that if I backup the 
> /home/username/wiki/ directory, then is this a sufficient backup for my 
> TiddlyWiki? I would just hate to find out that I'm not backing up enough 
> files or doing it incorrectly if my server breaks for some reason.
>
> Also, what would be the process for restoring the backup on a new server, 
> if I ever have to do a restore?
>

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Re: [tw5] Tiddlywiki Color Template: Too many colors to be set

2021-03-13 Thread Álvaro

Maybe we are dealing with this problem in the wrong way.  

   - 132 selectors are too many to group directly
   - It is also a headache to try to do it with 50-60 colors that there are 
   in Vanilla (this was the way that I tried long ago)
   

However there are 15-20 colors in ContrastLight palette. We could do the 
groups more easily and also separate selectors of "special categories" 
commented by Jeremy.

When I tried it I thought that TWCrosslinks 
 (by akhater) could be useful to 
move selectors between groups. 

El sábado, 13 de marzo de 2021 a las 22:19:22 UTC+1, thomas@gmail.com 
escribió:

> Is there any list to recognize the important elements?
>>
>
> Well, here are *some* elements I did consider important: 
> https://tid.li/tw5/apps/bricks.html#%24%3A%2Fapps%2Ftelmiger%2Fbricks%2Freadability
> But it depends both on the design and the usage. 
> Example for theme complexity: I found it really hard to style a theme with 
> bright colours (dark font on light background) in the story river and dark 
> mode (bright fonts on dark background) in the sidebar.
> Examples for usage importance: The saving confirmation popping up in the 
> top right corner is important for folks like me using the single page 
> version and a browser plugin. It might be less important for people working 
> on Node.js. 
>
> By the way, you can see that my solution is not working for all colour 
> definitions. In CSS and in TiddlyWiki you can define a colour value as 
> "inherit" – but it is impossible to test that with my macros. 
>
> Hovering over the test lines with the mouse will show you the macro input 
> (near the border) and the output colours tested. 
>
> All the best,
> Thomas
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: Sameday

Ok i see, good! Thanks, but i thought i solve it by tagging the
tiddlers with 'code' as 'script'
Now this line seems to ignore that..: <$list
filter="[sameday:created[20210310]][sameday:modified[20210310]!is[system]!tag[script]]">
What now??? Looks ok isnt it??
#puzzled...

Ray

Op za 13 mrt. 2021 om 20:56 schreef si :

> The reason for that error is that the tiddler that contains your code is
> trying to transclude itself. But then this transcluded tiddler contains the
> same code, so it tries to transclude itself again and again. It's like if
> you hold a mirror up in front of another mirror - you will see an image
> that seems to contain itself infinitely: see images
> <https://www.google.com/search?q=recursive+mirror=isch=2ahUKEwid6bjuhK7vAhVG0OAKHfduCuEQ2-cCegQIABAA=recursive+mirror_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIECAAQQzICCAA6BQgAELEDOggIABCxAxCDAToHCAAQsQMQQzoGCAAQBRAeOgQIABAYUIaEDFj-lwxg3pgMaAFwAHgAgAGNAYgB3AuSAQQxMi41mAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE=img=GhdNYJ30Nsaggwf33amIDg=588=1280=firefox-b-d>
>
> Anyway you can avoid this by making sure to exclude the current tiddler
> from your filter: !is[current]
>
> On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 18:58:31 UTC rayv...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yes it looks like tidders that contain scripts for TW get "evualated" but
>> maybe i see things wrong.
>>
>> TW5 is very hard to learn for me...
>> Now this one says Recursive transclusion error:  <$list
>> filter="[sameday:created[20210312]][sameday:modified[20210312]!is[system]![12
>> Mar]]">
>> Why is THIS wrong??
>> Will i ever learn?? :-)
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> Op za 13 mrt. 2021 om 19:52 schreef si :
>>
>>> >>> But now i run into other list filters in tiddlers created today that
>>> get executed so to say.
>>>
>>> I may be misunderstanding you - are you saying that some of the tiddlers
>>> that get transcluded by your widget themselves have list filters, and you
>>> would like to display the plain text rather than actually execute the
>>> widget?
>>>
>>> I'm not 100% sure but I think you can display the plain text by
>>> replacing {{!!text}} with <$text text={{!!text}}/>
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 16:47:50 UTC rayv...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Yes i noted, thanks!
>>>>
>>>> But now i run into other list filters in tiddlers created today that
>>>> get executed so to say.
>>>> How can i prevent that?
>>>> Create for those tiddlers separate SCRIPT fields or something?
>>>> Or can it be done simpler?
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>>
>>>> Op za 13 mrt. 2021 om 17:33 schreef si :
>>>>
>>>>> I think its because your filter lists two separate runs, which returns
>>>>> tiddlers that match *any* of those two runs. You need just need to
>>>>> squeeze the whole expression into a single run:
>>>>> [sameday:created[20210313]!is[system]]
>>>>>
>>>>> See: https://tiddlywiki.com/#Introduction%20to%20filter%20notation
>>>>>
>>>>> On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 14:49:31 UTC rayv...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>> Hi
>>>>>>
>>>>>> can anyone tell me why this filter returns also $:/HistoryList (which
>>>>>> is huge) even when !is[system] is included? It returns all my tiddles 
>>>>>> btw...
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <$list filter="[sameday:created[20210313]][!is[system]]">
>>>>>>
>>>>>> <$link>''<> ''
>>>>>>
>>>>>> {{!!text}}
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Tx
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Ray
>>>>>>
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[tw5] Re: Some more thoughts on linking in TW (aliases, display text, and relationship types: Oh My!)

Hi,

I must admit, i am not able to see the advantage of storing information
about a person or object in a link instead of in a field. In fields you can
store

name: Joe
familiy: Doe
father: Alfred Doe
mother: Beatrix Doe
spouse: Foo Bar
course-about-hacking: attended

The last one might be solved differently by storing a list of attendants in
a tiddler "course about hacking" of course. Now you could write macros to
style links based on that information. And you would have all the
information in the one place where it makes sense istead of scattered over
many tiddlers and many links. – But let’s assume it makes sense in some
contexts.

Question: how would HTML handle the additional relation information? Could
it be presented to users in a useful and accessible way?

And a short reminder: HTML anchors (a) already can have *type* and *rel*
attributes – both are not supported by the link widget at the moment, but
there are indeed some kinds of relations already covered to be aware of.
https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Element/a

One last provocation: How about [[ Joe (stepson) | Joe Doe ]] ?

Goodnight ;–)
Thomas

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[tw5] How to Backup and Restore TiddlyWiki on Nodejs?

2021-03-13 Thread zzzz

I've setup TiddlyWiki on an Ubuntu server. It's running on Nodejs. I've got 
a shell script that zips up my /home/username/wiki/ directory. The shell 
script then runs a PHP script that renames the zip file to 
DAYOFMONTH_wiki.zip. For example, if today is March 13th, then it renames 
the zip file to:

13_wiki.zip

The idea here is that it backs up the files on a monthly rotation, so there 
shouldn't be more than about 30 backup files (for 30 days in the month) 
since when the new month rolls around it will replace 1_wiki.zip, then 
2_wiki.zip and so on.

This PHP script then uploads the renamed zip file to my Amazon S3 bucket 
each day and also when the server reboots (it's a cron job).

Anyways, could someone please confirm that if I backup the 
/home/username/wiki/ directory, then is this a sufficient backup for my 
TiddlyWiki? I would just hate to find out that I'm not backing up enough 
files or doing it incorrectly if my server breaks for some reason.

Also, what would be the process for restoring the backup on a new server, 
if I ever have to do a restore?

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Re: [tw5] Tiddlywiki Color Template: Too many colors to be set



> Is there any list to recognize the important elements?
>

Well, here are *some* elements I did consider important: 
https://tid.li/tw5/apps/bricks.html#%24%3A%2Fapps%2Ftelmiger%2Fbricks%2Freadability
But it depends both on the design and the usage. 
Example for theme complexity: I found it really hard to style a theme with 
bright colours (dark font on light background) in the story river and dark 
mode (bright fonts on dark background) in the sidebar.
Examples for usage importance: The saving confirmation popping up in the 
top right corner is important for folks like me using the single page 
version and a browser plugin. It might be less important for people working 
on Node.js. 

By the way, you can see that my solution is not working for all colour 
definitions. In CSS and in TiddlyWiki you can define a colour value as 
"inherit" – but it is impossible to test that with my macros. 

Hovering over the test lines with the mouse will show you the macro input 
(near the border) and the output colours tested. 

All the best,
Thomas

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Re: [tw5] Tiddlywiki Color Template: Too many colors to be set

Best wishes
Mohammad


On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 8:27 PM Thomas Elmiger 
wrote:

> Ideally, the user would select a handful of cornerstone colours and there
>> would be sensible defaults
>>
>
> That was my intention too, but I did never find the time to finish the
> idea. Something like this:
>
>
> https://tid.li/tw5/apps/bricks.html#%24%3A%2Fapps%2Ftelmiger%2Fbricks%2Fpaletteeditor
>
> Note 1: All colours are present as a sample here, something the standard
> palette editor does not offer. (Colours defined as rgba(0,0,255,0.25) or
> <> seem to be black there.)
>
>
Lovely!



> Note 2: The testing section at the bottom where you should be able to see
> the consequences for important elements.
>

Is there any list to recognize the important elements?



>
> Have a nice weekend, you all!
> Thomas
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Re: [tw5] Tiddlywiki Color Template: Too many colors to be set

Hi Thomas


Best wishes
Mohammad


On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 8:11 PM Thomas Elmiger 
wrote:

>
> To do that, we’d probably need some colour mixing macros, so that one
>> could set a palette entry to, say, the primary colour at 50% brightness.
>>
>> Here’s a plugin that offers a lot of functions for exactly this kind of
> colour variants:
> https://tid.li/tw5/plugins.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftelmiger%2FColorAction
>

This is awesome and it can be very handy in creating a palette!

>
> Maybe a good starting point for something baked into the core?
>

Yes, It is important to have some color handling macro here!

>
>
> Cheers,
> Thomas
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Re: [tw5] Re: Sameday

The reason for that error is that the tiddler that contains your code is 
trying to transclude itself. But then this transcluded tiddler contains the 
same code, so it tries to transclude itself again and again. It's like if 
you hold a mirror up in front of another mirror - you will see an image 
that seems to contain itself infinitely: see images 
<https://www.google.com/search?q=recursive+mirror=isch=2ahUKEwid6bjuhK7vAhVG0OAKHfduCuEQ2-cCegQIABAA=recursive+mirror_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIECAAQQzICCAA6BQgAELEDOggIABCxAxCDAToHCAAQsQMQQzoGCAAQBRAeOgQIABAYUIaEDFj-lwxg3pgMaAFwAHgAgAGNAYgB3AuSAQQxMi41mAEAoAEBqgELZ3dzLXdpei1pbWfAAQE=img=GhdNYJ30Nsaggwf33amIDg=588=1280=firefox-b-d>

Anyway you can avoid this by making sure to exclude the current tiddler 
from your filter: !is[current]

On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 18:58:31 UTC rayv...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yes it looks like tidders that contain scripts for TW get "evualated" but 
> maybe i see things wrong.
>
> TW5 is very hard to learn for me...
> Now this one says Recursive transclusion error:  <$list 
> filter="[sameday:created[20210312]][sameday:modified[20210312]!is[system]![12 
> Mar]]">
> Why is THIS wrong??
> Will i ever learn?? :-)
>
> Ray
>
> Op za 13 mrt. 2021 om 19:52 schreef si :
>
>> >>> But now i run into other list filters in tiddlers created today that 
>> get executed so to say. 
>>
>> I may be misunderstanding you - are you saying that some of the tiddlers 
>> that get transcluded by your widget themselves have list filters, and you 
>> would like to display the plain text rather than actually execute the 
>> widget?
>>
>> I'm not 100% sure but I think you can display the plain text by replacing 
>> {{!!text}} with <$text text={{!!text}}/>
>>
>> On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 16:47:50 UTC rayv...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Yes i noted, thanks!
>>>
>>> But now i run into other list filters in tiddlers created today that get 
>>> executed so to say.
>>> How can i prevent that?
>>> Create for those tiddlers separate SCRIPT fields or something?
>>> Or can it be done simpler?
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
>>> Op za 13 mrt. 2021 om 17:33 schreef si :
>>>
>>>> I think its because your filter lists two separate runs, which returns 
>>>> tiddlers that match *any* of those two runs. You need just need to 
>>>> squeeze the whole expression into a single run: 
>>>> [sameday:created[20210313]!is[system]]
>>>>
>>>> See: https://tiddlywiki.com/#Introduction%20to%20filter%20notation
>>>>
>>>> On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 14:49:31 UTC rayv...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hi
>>>>>
>>>>> can anyone tell me why this filter returns also $:/HistoryList (which 
>>>>> is huge) even when !is[system] is included? It returns all my tiddles 
>>>>> btw...
>>>>>
>>>>> <$list filter="[sameday:created[20210313]][!is[system]]">
>>>>>
>>>>> <$link>''<> ''
>>>>>
>>>>> {{!!text}}
>>>>>
>>>>> 
>>>>>
>>>>> Tx
>>>>>
>>>>> Ray
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[tw5] Re: Release of the kin filter plugin: Recursively looking for kinship between tiddler titles; finds related tags

2021-03-13 Thread History Buff

Bimlas,

I love the kin filter plugin and use it in all of my TWs. I do have a 
question though. I seem to not be able to get it to work with dictionary 
tiddlers. Is there something in the plugin that prevents dictionary 
tiddlers from being recognized? If not, then is there some secret sauce to 
get it to work?

Thanks,

Damon

On Tuesday, February 12, 2019 at 12:54:38 AM UTC-7 bimlas wrote:

> The purpose of the kin operator with examples:
>
>- Finds related tags, related tiddlers in any depth
>- Finds out where base tiddler originates and what other elements 
>originate from it
>- Finds the ancestors and successors of a family member
>- Finds the "leaves" of the branch of the base tiddler in a tree-like 
>structure (where the base tiddler is a leaf)
>- Finds the super- and subsets / groups of a mathematical set (where 
>the base tiddler is a set)
>
> Demo: https://bimlas.gitlab.io/tw5-kin-filter/
> Official repository: https://gitlab.com/bimlas/tw5-kin-filter/
> Mirror, please give a star if you like it: 
> https://github.com/bimlas/tw5-kin-filter/
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[tw5] Re: When "sameday" seems to mean "yesterday"

2021-03-13 Thread Jack Baty

Ah, so *single* curly braces, thanks! 

I'm not sure I'll ever completely understand when to use which variation. :)

On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 12:22:10 PM UTC-5 Mark S. wrote:

> Oh, that's an easier question:
>
> <>
>
> The sameday filter does understand timezones and "sameday", but it doesn't 
> understand about hard-coded values, despite what the documentation says. So 
> it will use your local time to match sameday with an existing tiddler. But 
> not if you do your own (e.g. 20210313)
>
> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 6:56:13 AM UTC-8 ja...@baty.net wrote:
>
>> Well sorry, I don't actually want <>. I want the created date of the 
>> current tiddler, but I think the overall question is the same, which is, 
>> how do I show a list of tiddlers created on the same day (date) as the 
>> current tiddler. This will eventually be a macro, possibly.
>>
>>
>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:48:39 AM UTC-5 Jack Baty wrote:
>>
>>> I'm still tinkering with this. 
>>>
>>> Thanks to Mark for suggesting adding the Timezone to the sameday filter. 
>>> That works, but I can't find it documented anywhere. On the DateFormat 
>>> page <https://tiddlywiki.com/#DateFormat> "TZD" is mentioned as 
>>> Timezone format option but in use it renders as "-5:00" not "05". I've 
>>> found that only "05" works when used in the sameday operator, e.g.:
>>>
>>> <>
>>>
>>> This works (by works I mean that sameday lists tiddlers created on the, 
>>> er, same day).
>>>
>>> I'm obviously not capable of understanding documentation, because the 
>>> only way I can find to show a list of tiddlers created on the same day as 
>>> the current tiddler is something like this:
>>>
>>> <$set name="thedate" value=<>>
>>> <>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Note the hardcoded "05". Also, this seems somewhat convoluted. There 
>>> *must* be a better way to just include the MMDD formated date as 
>>> part of the filter operator without setting a variable, right? And it's 
>>> probably something obvious and simple that I've overlooked. I get confused 
>>> around "<>" vs "$foo$" vs "$(foo)$" vs "[[foo]]" and I cannot figure 
>>> out how to just put the "now 0MMDD" bit right in the filter.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 2:36:56 PM UTC-5 Jack Baty wrote:
>>>
>>>> I'll try the offset, thanks. I'd be happy with a string match on 
>>>> "20210302*", too though, as that's always the day I'm looking for. Half 
>>>> the 
>>>> reason I got out of development was to avoid dealing with timezones :)
>>>>
>>>> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 1:18:08 PM UTC-5 Mark S. wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> If you add your offset to the time, then I think you'll get the 
>>>>> results you want. That is, if you're in Lima (utc -5), you might use
>>>>>
>>>>> sameday:created[2021030205]
>>>>>
>>>>> If you live in the other direction, then the math is harder. If you 
>>>>> live in Yekaterinburg (utc +5), then I assume you would have to use:
>>>>>
>>>>> sameday:created[2021030119]
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>  
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Sameday

Yes it looks like tidders that contain scripts for TW get "evualated" but
maybe i see things wrong.

TW5 is very hard to learn for me...
Now this one says Recursive transclusion error:  <$list
filter="[sameday:created[20210312]][sameday:modified[20210312]!is[system]![12
Mar]]">
Why is THIS wrong??
Will i ever learn?? :-)

Ray

Op za 13 mrt. 2021 om 19:52 schreef si :

> >>> But now i run into other list filters in tiddlers created today that
> get executed so to say.
>
> I may be misunderstanding you - are you saying that some of the tiddlers
> that get transcluded by your widget themselves have list filters, and you
> would like to display the plain text rather than actually execute the
> widget?
>
> I'm not 100% sure but I think you can display the plain text by replacing
> {{!!text}} with <$text text={{!!text}}/>
>
> On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 16:47:50 UTC rayv...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Yes i noted, thanks!
>>
>> But now i run into other list filters in tiddlers created today that get
>> executed so to say.
>> How can i prevent that?
>> Create for those tiddlers separate SCRIPT fields or something?
>> Or can it be done simpler?
>>
>> Ray
>>
>> Op za 13 mrt. 2021 om 17:33 schreef si :
>>
>>> I think its because your filter lists two separate runs, which returns
>>> tiddlers that match *any* of those two runs. You need just need to
>>> squeeze the whole expression into a single run:
>>> [sameday:created[20210313]!is[system]]
>>>
>>> See: https://tiddlywiki.com/#Introduction%20to%20filter%20notation
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 14:49:31 UTC rayv...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
>>>> Hi
>>>>
>>>> can anyone tell me why this filter returns also $:/HistoryList (which
>>>> is huge) even when !is[system] is included? It returns all my tiddles 
>>>> btw...
>>>>
>>>> <$list filter="[sameday:created[20210313]][!is[system]]">
>>>>
>>>> <$link>''<> ''
>>>>
>>>> {{!!text}}
>>>>
>>>> 
>>>>
>>>> Tx
>>>>
>>>> Ray
>>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Sameday

>>> But now i run into other list filters in tiddlers created today that 
get executed so to say. 

I may be misunderstanding you - are you saying that some of the tiddlers 
that get transcluded by your widget themselves have list filters, and you 
would like to display the plain text rather than actually execute the 
widget?

I'm not 100% sure but I think you can display the plain text by replacing 
{{!!text}} with <$text text={{!!text}}/>

On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 16:47:50 UTC rayv...@gmail.com wrote:

> Yes i noted, thanks!
>
> But now i run into other list filters in tiddlers created today that get 
> executed so to say.
> How can i prevent that?
> Create for those tiddlers separate SCRIPT fields or something?
> Or can it be done simpler?
>
> Ray
>
> Op za 13 mrt. 2021 om 17:33 schreef si :
>
>> I think its because your filter lists two separate runs, which returns 
>> tiddlers that match *any* of those two runs. You need just need to 
>> squeeze the whole expression into a single run: 
>> [sameday:created[20210313]!is[system]]
>>
>> See: https://tiddlywiki.com/#Introduction%20to%20filter%20notation
>>
>> On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 14:49:31 UTC rayv...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Hi
>>>
>>> can anyone tell me why this filter returns also $:/HistoryList (which is 
>>> huge) even when !is[system] is included? It returns all my tiddles btw...
>>>
>>> <$list filter="[sameday:created[20210313]][!is[system]]">
>>>
>>> <$link>''<> ''
>>>
>>> {{!!text}}
>>>
>>> 
>>>
>>> Tx
>>>
>>> Ray
>>>
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[tw5] Re: Drag-and-drop in Vivaldi

So very strange.  I was wondering what was captured as a mouse event.  What 
I've been trying, say with the open list, is to try a long press on a ink 
and then trying to move it.  I can move any of the links 
left/right/vertically/diagonally without an issue.  I wish I could help.

I have a Lenovo T440 Windows 10 laptop in my home office downstairs that I 
will have to set up, try and report back.  

Stan

On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 11:42:34 AM UTC-5 si wrote:

> I guess usually just a fraction of a second, but trying varying lengths 
> just now it doesn't seem to affect the behaviour in any way.
>
> On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 16:30:12 UTC stan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @si, I am curious about something -- how long do you hold down the mouse 
>> key before you drag and drop? I can get different behaviors depending on 
>> the amount of time I hold the key pressed before dragging.  
>>
>> I'm grasping at straws, you know.   
>>
>> I am running Vivaldi 3.6.2165.40 (Stable channel) (x86_64)
>>
>> Stan
>>
>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 11:19:44 AM UTC-5 si wrote:
>>
>>> @Stan OK thanks. I just tried updating the newest Vivaldi but the 
>>> behaviour I described remains. Hopefully someone else will see this thread 
>>> and give it a try so we can get more info.
>>>
>>> @Soren What OS did you use to test it?
>>> On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 14:21:04 UTC stan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 @si - I did a quickie here.  I am sitting at my MacBook Air (11in, 
 Mojave).  Followed your instructions and had no problems reordering the 
 "open" list.  I did not have to be careful about dragging the link - in 
 fact, I made a point of dragging at an angle and didn't have a problem. 
 I've been able to do this several times now.   I did not experience the 
 horizontal/vertical problem that Soren described. 

 Stan

 On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 8:57:02 AM UTC-5 si wrote:

> @Stan I don't think its a Windows problem, because IIR Soren doesn't 
> use Windows. There's not much to add in the way of instructions:
>
> 1. Open Vivaldi and go to tiddlywiki.com
> 2. Click on one of the links in the "open" tab, and try to 
> drag-and-drop to reorder them. I find that it only works if I am careful 
> to 
> drag the link on a strictly vertical plane. If Idrag it slightly to the 
> side it doesn't work. Same is true for other lists, like the ones you get 
> when you click on tag pills.
>
> This seems to happen in any wiki that I try.
>
> On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 13:45:22 UTC stan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the additional detail, si.  Now I understand your problem 
>> better - I thought the issue was drag and drop for installations.   I 
>> will 
>> have to try out re-ordering a list to see if I can reproduce the 
>> behavior.  
>>  Can you easily provide example instructions? Maybe we can rule out 
>> Windows 
>> as being part of the problem. 
>>
>> You are right, Vivaldi is based on Chrome, as is Brave.  I dropped 
>> Brave as there were too many times when button activation didn't work.   
>>
>> Stan
>>
>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 8:35:31 AM UTC-5 si wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the replies. I forgot to mention that I'm running Windows 
>>> 10 and Timimi.
>>>
>>> >>> I've found that at least on my machine, you have to drag in an 
>>> up or down direction, rather than a left and right direction, to get 
>>> Vivaldi to start dragging at all...but then it usually does not display 
>>> the 
>>> "drop here" item anyway. 
>>>
>>> @Soren I hadn't noticed this but yeah your right. It seems that 
>>> often I am dragging slightly to the side, inadvertently highlighting 
>>> some 
>>> of the text because the mechanism isn't working, then dragging the 
>>> highlighted text. This creates a tiddler with a bunch of html in the 
>>> title 
>>> (">>
>>> >>>The peculiar thing is that I have been able to drag and drop many 
>>> plugins, *except* that I have not been able to drag and drop the 
>>> Kookma library to a Tiddlywiki hosted on Fission.  However, I could 
>>> drag 
>>> and drop the Shiraz plugin to the Fission TW.  I have TW on Gitlab and 
>>> Tiddlyhost, with no drag and drop problems.
>>>
>>> @Stan I don't have any problems with installing plugins via 
>>> drag-and-drop, I'm only noticing problems with re-ordering lists (like 
>>> when 
>>> clicking on a tag pill). I've not run TW on Fission or Tiddlyhost 
>>> though.
>>>
>>> >>> Do you have any extensions running on Vivaldi?
>>>
>>> I do but tried it with a blank profile and the problem persists. It 
>>> seems like there's just something weird about Vivaldi, though I thought 
>>> it 
>>> was still based on Chromium.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at

[tw5] Re: Color Play: a playground for colors and palettes in Tiddlywiki

2021-03-13 Thread clutterstack

Looking good, Mohammad. I like that you've incorporated a way to keep a 
"mood" colour but change the lightness. 

Best wishes,
Chris

On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 7:58:37 AM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:

> Hi Chris,
>
> Following your great idea of having a TW palette generator. I did some 
> experiments today. I have uploaded the codes and demos to 
> https://colorplay.tiddlyhost.com/
>
> It uses a predefined color scheme and then generates clickable color 
> shades and tints to be set for a new palette!
> You can test the new palettes using the provided toggle button!
>
> It was not packaged as a plugin, so you can simply use the codes and 
> styles in any way you like.
>
>
> It would be a dream if you can create a tool to generate a TW palette in a 
> simple way! Grouping and automatic setting the colors would be great!
> As we discussed creating a palette is a big headache now! But your idea is 
> a step forward!
>
>
> Screenshot
> [image: img_12_msedge.png]
>
> References:
>
>- https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/lGabtMCLmyk/m/y_SV5jdhAgAJ
>- https://groups.google.com/g/tiddlywiki/c/ATBaeD5uDYE/m/S3O7w6LBAgAJ
>
>
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
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[tw5] Re: Some more thoughts on linking in TW (aliases, display text, and relationship types: Oh My!)

2021-03-13 Thread PMario

Hi,
Just thought about it. .. We will also need to make sure, that the 
"relink-plugin" can handle this new stuff
-mario

On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 9:12:08 PM UTC+1 Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> I'm really liking the idea of piggybacking on the existing extended link 
> syntax -- better than the versions I suggested off the top of my head in my 
> original post. And thanks for the technical background.
>
> On not wanting to put arbitrary text between the [['s: this seems like 
> exactly the same issue that we have with filter operators/fields, so could 
> we use the same solution? Have a hard-coded string *?* or *type* or 
> something that serves as an unambiguous syntax, and then people can choose 
> to use that or not (this would also let them call a relationship, e.g., 
> *img*). If they use the implicit form and someone else later comes along 
> and overloads it to mean something else, then that's on them to go back and 
> add the full format to disambiguate it.
>
> Mark, for more on the use case, also see my post 
>  that 
> Diego mentioned in the OP.
>
> On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 7:41:42 AM UTC-6 PMario wrote:
>
>> On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 2:14:38 PM UTC+1 PMario wrote:
>>
>> title: Jack 
>>> [? stepson[Joe]], [? daughter[Jill]] and [? wife[Jane]] 
>>>
>>
>> Some technical background. At the moment TW builds the "backlink" 
>> information at "parsing time", when the parse-tree is created. Parsing the 
>> tiddler content is a very "heavy weight" function. .. It need quite some 
>> CPU cycles. ... That's why this info is cached and only recreated if a 
>> tiddler changes. 
>>
>> If someone uses the eg: backlinks[] 
>>  operator, the TW core has 
>> to touch every tiddler and parse it. Then it internally searches the 
>> parse-tree for a pattern like: 
>>
>> "type": "link",
>> "attributes": {
>>   "to": {
>>   "type": "string", 
>>   "value": "Joe" 
>>   } 
>> }, 
>>
>> and it stores some info in the indexer. ... Since we have to "run" all 
>> this code already, it shouldn't be too much of a hassle to add additional 
>> info to the link structure. eg:
>>
>> "type": "link",
>> "attributes": {
>>   "to": {
>>   "type": "string", 
>>   "value": "Joe" 
>>   },
>>   "relation": {
>>   "type": "string", 
>>   "value": "stepson" 
>>   } 
>> }, 
>>
>> In a second step, this info can be "indexed" and we can create filter 
>> operators for it. 
>>
>> -mario
>>
>>

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[tw5] Re: When "sameday" seems to mean "yesterday"

2021-03-13 Thread 'Mark S.' via TiddlyWiki

Oh, that's an easier question:

<>

The sameday filter does understand timezones and "sameday", but it doesn't 
understand about hard-coded values, despite what the documentation says. So 
it will use your local time to match sameday with an existing tiddler. But 
not if you do your own (e.g. 20210313)

On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 6:56:13 AM UTC-8 ja...@baty.net wrote:

> Well sorry, I don't actually want <>. I want the created date of the 
> current tiddler, but I think the overall question is the same, which is, 
> how do I show a list of tiddlers created on the same day (date) as the 
> current tiddler. This will eventually be a macro, possibly.
>
>
> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:48:39 AM UTC-5 Jack Baty wrote:
>
>> I'm still tinkering with this. 
>>
>> Thanks to Mark for suggesting adding the Timezone to the sameday filter. 
>> That works, but I can't find it documented anywhere. On the DateFormat 
>> page <https://tiddlywiki.com/#DateFormat> "TZD" is mentioned as Timezone 
>> format option but in use it renders as "-5:00" not "05". I've found that 
>> only "05" works when used in the sameday operator, e.g.:
>>
>> <>
>>
>> This works (by works I mean that sameday lists tiddlers created on the, 
>> er, same day).
>>
>> I'm obviously not capable of understanding documentation, because the 
>> only way I can find to show a list of tiddlers created on the same day as 
>> the current tiddler is something like this:
>>
>> <$set name="thedate" value=<>>
>> <>
>> 
>>
>> Note the hardcoded "05". Also, this seems somewhat convoluted. There 
>> *must* be a better way to just include the MMDD formated date as 
>> part of the filter operator without setting a variable, right? And it's 
>> probably something obvious and simple that I've overlooked. I get confused 
>> around "<>" vs "$foo$" vs "$(foo)$" vs "[[foo]]" and I cannot figure 
>> out how to just put the "now 0MMDD" bit right in the filter.
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 2:36:56 PM UTC-5 Jack Baty wrote:
>>
>>> I'll try the offset, thanks. I'd be happy with a string match on 
>>> "20210302*", too though, as that's always the day I'm looking for. Half the 
>>> reason I got out of development was to avoid dealing with timezones :)
>>>
>>> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 1:18:08 PM UTC-5 Mark S. wrote:
>>>
>>>> If you add your offset to the time, then I think you'll get the results 
>>>> you want. That is, if you're in Lima (utc -5), you might use
>>>>
>>>> sameday:created[2021030205]
>>>>
>>>> If you live in the other direction, then the math is harder. If you 
>>>> live in Yekaterinburg (utc +5), then I assume you would have to use:
>>>>
>>>> sameday:created[2021030119]
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>  
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] How does TW differentiate numbers from text? Also Mathematics operator syntax.

2021-03-13 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Hi Brad

> Pretty basic question, I believe... I have been trying to get some plugin 
> macros to work, and the output is NaN, which I am guessing means "not a 
> number".
> 
> The plugin macros work if a number is put in the macro call, but when I try 
> to transclude a field it gives NaN. The macro is supposed to output the raw 
> score and a bonus based on the raw score. It's a Dungeons & Dragons thing if 
> you aren't familiar.
> 
> <>   Gives correct output:  16 (+3)
> 
> <>  Gives:  NaN  
> (−NaN )
> 
> {{!!dnd.creature.str}}Correctly transcludes the field value:16
> 
> Is there the something line an INT function that must be used to say this is 
> an integer and not a string?

The macro call <> passes the literal string 
"{{!!dnd.creature.str}}” as the parameter to the macro, rather than evaluating 
it.

There’s a more flexible underlying syntax for calling macros where the 
parameters are evaluated before invocation:

<$macrocall $name="dnd.ability" paramName={{!!dnd.creature.str}}/>

Where “paramName” is the name of the parameter to your macro.

> Also, I was simply pasting in some of the mathematics operator examples and 
> they do not evaluate the expression. There is obviously something else I am 
> missing:
> 
> [[23]add[19]]gives  23]add[19 

Pasting [[23]add[19]] is interpreted as a link to a tiddler titled “23]add[19” 
because filter expressions are only evaluated in certain contexts, notably 
triple curly braces. Try:

{{{ [[23]add[19]] }}}

Best wishes

Jeremy

> 
> Thanks! 
> 
> 
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Re: [tw5] Tiddlywiki Color Template: Too many colors to be set


>
> Ideally, the user would select a handful of cornerstone colours and there 
> would be sensible defaults 
>

That was my intention too, but I did never find the time to finish the 
idea. Something like this:

https://tid.li/tw5/apps/bricks.html#%24%3A%2Fapps%2Ftelmiger%2Fbricks%2Fpaletteeditor

Note 1: All colours are present as a sample here, something the standard 
palette editor does not offer. (Colours defined as rgba(0,0,255,0.25) or 
<> seem to be black there.)

Note 2: The testing section at the bottom where you should be able to see 
the consequences for important elements.

Have a nice weekend, you all!
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[tw5] Re: Unilink and my possibly unrealistic wants...

2021-03-13 Thread PMario

Hi Ste,

With the latest discussions going on about "link attributes" I did re-visit 
the "feature wishlist" and came back to this thread. 

What do you think about 
 - title: This is a Test
 - link: [[this is a test|??]]

Where the second ? means: "search for the exact title ... case insensitive" 
 Which is pretty much exactly what you requested. 

On the other hand the "search for title" function in the core has the same 
possibilities as the search[] operator 
. ... 

-mario

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Re: [tw5] Re: Sameday

Yes i noted, thanks!

But now i run into other list filters in tiddlers created today that get
executed so to say.
How can i prevent that?
Create for those tiddlers separate SCRIPT fields or something?
Or can it be done simpler?

Ray

Op za 13 mrt. 2021 om 17:33 schreef si :

> I think its because your filter lists two separate runs, which returns
> tiddlers that match *any* of those two runs. You need just need to
> squeeze the whole expression into a single run:
> [sameday:created[20210313]!is[system]]
>
> See: https://tiddlywiki.com/#Introduction%20to%20filter%20notation
>
> On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 14:49:31 UTC rayv...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> can anyone tell me why this filter returns also $:/HistoryList (which is
>> huge) even when !is[system] is included? It returns all my tiddles btw...
>>
>> <$list filter="[sameday:created[20210313]][!is[system]]">
>>
>> <$link>''<> ''
>>
>> {{!!text}}
>>
>> 
>>
>> Tx
>>
>> Ray
>>
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[tw5] How does TW differentiate numbers from text? Also Mathematics operator syntax.

2021-03-13 Thread Brad DeBruler

Pretty basic question, I believe... I have been trying to get some plugin 
macros to work, and the output is NaN, which I am guessing means "not a 
number".

The plugin macros work if a number is put in the macro call, but when I try 
to transclude a field it gives NaN. The macro is supposed to output the raw 
score and a bonus based on the raw score. It's a Dungeons & Dragons thing 
if you aren't familiar.

<>   Gives correct output:  16 (+3)

<>  Gives:  NaN <#NaN> (−NaN 
<#NaN>)

{{!!dnd.creature.str}}Correctly transcludes the field value:16

Is there the something line an INT function that must be used to say this 
is an integer and not a string?


Also, I was simply pasting in some of the mathematics operator examples and 
they do not evaluate the expression. There is obviously something else I am 
missing:

[[23]add[19]]gives  23]add[19 <#23%5Dadd%5B19>

Thanks! 



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[tw5] Re: Drag-and-drop in Vivaldi

I guess usually just a fraction of a second, but trying varying lengths 
just now it doesn't seem to affect the behaviour in any way.

On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 16:30:12 UTC stan...@gmail.com wrote:

> @si, I am curious about something -- how long do you hold down the mouse 
> key before you drag and drop? I can get different behaviors depending on 
> the amount of time I hold the key pressed before dragging.  
>
> I'm grasping at straws, you know.   
>
> I am running Vivaldi 3.6.2165.40 (Stable channel) (x86_64)
>
> Stan
>
> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 11:19:44 AM UTC-5 si wrote:
>
>> @Stan OK thanks. I just tried updating the newest Vivaldi but the 
>> behaviour I described remains. Hopefully someone else will see this thread 
>> and give it a try so we can get more info.
>>
>> @Soren What OS did you use to test it?
>> On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 14:21:04 UTC stan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> @si - I did a quickie here.  I am sitting at my MacBook Air (11in, 
>>> Mojave).  Followed your instructions and had no problems reordering the 
>>> "open" list.  I did not have to be careful about dragging the link - in 
>>> fact, I made a point of dragging at an angle and didn't have a problem. 
>>> I've been able to do this several times now.   I did not experience the 
>>> horizontal/vertical problem that Soren described. 
>>>
>>> Stan
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 8:57:02 AM UTC-5 si wrote:
>>>
 @Stan I don't think its a Windows problem, because IIR Soren doesn't 
 use Windows. There's not much to add in the way of instructions:

 1. Open Vivaldi and go to tiddlywiki.com
 2. Click on one of the links in the "open" tab, and try to 
 drag-and-drop to reorder them. I find that it only works if I am careful 
 to 
 drag the link on a strictly vertical plane. If Idrag it slightly to the 
 side it doesn't work. Same is true for other lists, like the ones you get 
 when you click on tag pills.

 This seems to happen in any wiki that I try.

 On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 13:45:22 UTC stan...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the additional detail, si.  Now I understand your problem 
> better - I thought the issue was drag and drop for installations.   I 
> will 
> have to try out re-ordering a list to see if I can reproduce the 
> behavior.  
>  Can you easily provide example instructions? Maybe we can rule out 
> Windows 
> as being part of the problem. 
>
> You are right, Vivaldi is based on Chrome, as is Brave.  I dropped 
> Brave as there were too many times when button activation didn't work.   
>
> Stan
>
> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 8:35:31 AM UTC-5 si wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the replies. I forgot to mention that I'm running Windows 
>> 10 and Timimi.
>>
>> >>> I've found that at least on my machine, you have to drag in an up 
>> or down direction, rather than a left and right direction, to get 
>> Vivaldi 
>> to start dragging at all...but then it usually does not display the 
>> "drop 
>> here" item anyway. 
>>
>> @Soren I hadn't noticed this but yeah your right. It seems that often 
>> I am dragging slightly to the side, inadvertently highlighting some of 
>> the 
>> text because the mechanism isn't working, then dragging the highlighted 
>> text. This creates a tiddler with a bunch of html in the title ("> class=..etc").
>>
>> >>>The peculiar thing is that I have been able to drag and drop many 
>> plugins, *except* that I have not been able to drag and drop the 
>> Kookma library to a Tiddlywiki hosted on Fission.  However, I could drag 
>> and drop the Shiraz plugin to the Fission TW.  I have TW on Gitlab and 
>> Tiddlyhost, with no drag and drop problems.
>>
>> @Stan I don't have any problems with installing plugins via 
>> drag-and-drop, I'm only noticing problems with re-ordering lists (like 
>> when 
>> clicking on a tag pill). I've not run TW on Fission or Tiddlyhost though.
>>
>> >>> Do you have any extensions running on Vivaldi?
>>
>> I do but tried it with a blank profile and the problem persists. It 
>> seems like there's just something weird about Vivaldi, though I thought 
>> it 
>> was still based on Chromium.
>>
>> On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 00:34:43 UTC Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>>
>>> I've never used Vivaldi with TW because I have other plugins that 
>>> interfere with TW, so I've always done TW in a separate browser – so 
>>> never 
>>> noticed this before. But on checking, it does not work for me either.
>>>
>>> I've found that at least on my machine, you have to drag in an up or 
>>> down direction, rather than a left and right direction, to get Vivaldi 
>>> to 
>>> start dragging at all...but then it usually does not display the "drop 
>>> here" item anyway.

Re: [tw5] Tiddlywiki Color Template: Too many colors to be set



> To do that, we’d probably need some colour mixing macros, so that one 
> could set a palette entry to, say, the primary colour at 50% brightness.
>
> Here’s a plugin that offers a lot of functions for exactly this kind of 
colour variants: 
https://tid.li/tw5/plugins.html#%24%3A%2Fplugins%2Ftelmiger%2FColorAction

Maybe a good starting point for something baked into the core? 

Cheers,
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[tw5] Re: Sameday

I think its because your filter lists two separate runs, which returns 
tiddlers that match *any* of those two runs. You need just need to squeeze 
the whole expression into a single run: 
[sameday:created[20210313]!is[system]]

See: https://tiddlywiki.com/#Introduction%20to%20filter%20notation

On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 14:49:31 UTC rayv...@gmail.com wrote:

> Hi
>
> can anyone tell me why this filter returns also $:/HistoryList (which is 
> huge) even when !is[system] is included? It returns all my tiddles btw...
>
> <$list filter="[sameday:created[20210313]][!is[system]]">
>
> <$link>''<> ''
>
> {{!!text}}
>
> 
>
> Tx
>
> Ray
>

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[tw5] Re: Drag-and-drop in Vivaldi

@si, I am curious about something -- how long do you hold down the mouse 
key before you drag and drop? I can get different behaviors depending on 
the amount of time I hold the key pressed before dragging.  

I'm grasping at straws, you know.   

I am running Vivaldi 3.6.2165.40 (Stable channel) (x86_64)

Stan

On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 11:19:44 AM UTC-5 si wrote:

> @Stan OK thanks. I just tried updating the newest Vivaldi but the 
> behaviour I described remains. Hopefully someone else will see this thread 
> and give it a try so we can get more info.
>
> @Soren What OS did you use to test it?
> On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 14:21:04 UTC stan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> @si - I did a quickie here.  I am sitting at my MacBook Air (11in, 
>> Mojave).  Followed your instructions and had no problems reordering the 
>> "open" list.  I did not have to be careful about dragging the link - in 
>> fact, I made a point of dragging at an angle and didn't have a problem. 
>> I've been able to do this several times now.   I did not experience the 
>> horizontal/vertical problem that Soren described. 
>>
>> Stan
>>
>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 8:57:02 AM UTC-5 si wrote:
>>
>>> @Stan I don't think its a Windows problem, because IIR Soren doesn't use 
>>> Windows. There's not much to add in the way of instructions:
>>>
>>> 1. Open Vivaldi and go to tiddlywiki.com
>>> 2. Click on one of the links in the "open" tab, and try to drag-and-drop 
>>> to reorder them. I find that it only works if I am careful to drag the link 
>>> on a strictly vertical plane. If Idrag it slightly to the side it doesn't 
>>> work. Same is true for other lists, like the ones you get when you click on 
>>> tag pills.
>>>
>>> This seems to happen in any wiki that I try.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 13:45:22 UTC stan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the additional detail, si.  Now I understand your problem 
 better - I thought the issue was drag and drop for installations.   I will 
 have to try out re-ordering a list to see if I can reproduce the behavior. 
  
  Can you easily provide example instructions? Maybe we can rule out 
 Windows 
 as being part of the problem. 

 You are right, Vivaldi is based on Chrome, as is Brave.  I dropped 
 Brave as there were too many times when button activation didn't work.   

 Stan

 On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 8:35:31 AM UTC-5 si wrote:

> Thanks for the replies. I forgot to mention that I'm running Windows 
> 10 and Timimi.
>
> >>> I've found that at least on my machine, you have to drag in an up 
> or down direction, rather than a left and right direction, to get Vivaldi 
> to start dragging at all...but then it usually does not display the "drop 
> here" item anyway. 
>
> @Soren I hadn't noticed this but yeah your right. It seems that often 
> I am dragging slightly to the side, inadvertently highlighting some of 
> the 
> text because the mechanism isn't working, then dragging the highlighted 
> text. This creates a tiddler with a bunch of html in the title (" class=..etc").
>
> >>>The peculiar thing is that I have been able to drag and drop many 
> plugins, *except* that I have not been able to drag and drop the 
> Kookma library to a Tiddlywiki hosted on Fission.  However, I could drag 
> and drop the Shiraz plugin to the Fission TW.  I have TW on Gitlab and 
> Tiddlyhost, with no drag and drop problems.
>
> @Stan I don't have any problems with installing plugins via 
> drag-and-drop, I'm only noticing problems with re-ordering lists (like 
> when 
> clicking on a tag pill). I've not run TW on Fission or Tiddlyhost though.
>
> >>> Do you have any extensions running on Vivaldi?
>
> I do but tried it with a blank profile and the problem persists. It 
> seems like there's just something weird about Vivaldi, though I thought 
> it 
> was still based on Chromium.
>
> On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 00:34:43 UTC Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>
>> I've never used Vivaldi with TW because I have other plugins that 
>> interfere with TW, so I've always done TW in a separate browser – so 
>> never 
>> noticed this before. But on checking, it does not work for me either.
>>
>> I've found that at least on my machine, you have to drag in an up or 
>> down direction, rather than a left and right direction, to get Vivaldi 
>> to 
>> start dragging at all...but then it usually does not display the "drop 
>> here" item anyway.
>>
>> On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 9:27:20 AM UTC-6 si wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I recently went back to the Vivaldi browser , 
>>> and I noticed that drag-and-drop functions of TiddlyWiki don't work 
>>> properly. If you go the "Open" tab (or click on a tag pill) and try to 
>>> drag 
>>>

[tw5] Re: Drag-and-drop in Vivaldi

@Stan OK thanks. I just tried updating the newest Vivaldi but the behaviour 
I described remains. Hopefully someone else will see this thread and give 
it a try so we can get more info.

@Soren What OS did you use to test it?
On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 14:21:04 UTC stan...@gmail.com wrote:

> @si - I did a quickie here.  I am sitting at my MacBook Air (11in, 
> Mojave).  Followed your instructions and had no problems reordering the 
> "open" list.  I did not have to be careful about dragging the link - in 
> fact, I made a point of dragging at an angle and didn't have a problem. 
> I've been able to do this several times now.   I did not experience the 
> horizontal/vertical problem that Soren described. 
>
> Stan
>
> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 8:57:02 AM UTC-5 si wrote:
>
>> @Stan I don't think its a Windows problem, because IIR Soren doesn't use 
>> Windows. There's not much to add in the way of instructions:
>>
>> 1. Open Vivaldi and go to tiddlywiki.com
>> 2. Click on one of the links in the "open" tab, and try to drag-and-drop 
>> to reorder them. I find that it only works if I am careful to drag the link 
>> on a strictly vertical plane. If Idrag it slightly to the side it doesn't 
>> work. Same is true for other lists, like the ones you get when you click on 
>> tag pills.
>>
>> This seems to happen in any wiki that I try.
>>
>> On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 13:45:22 UTC stan...@gmail.com wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the additional detail, si.  Now I understand your problem 
>>> better - I thought the issue was drag and drop for installations.   I will 
>>> have to try out re-ordering a list to see if I can reproduce the behavior.  
>>>  Can you easily provide example instructions? Maybe we can rule out Windows 
>>> as being part of the problem. 
>>>
>>> You are right, Vivaldi is based on Chrome, as is Brave.  I dropped Brave 
>>> as there were too many times when button activation didn't work.   
>>>
>>> Stan
>>>
>>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 8:35:31 AM UTC-5 si wrote:
>>>
 Thanks for the replies. I forgot to mention that I'm running Windows 10 
 and Timimi.

 >>> I've found that at least on my machine, you have to drag in an up 
 or down direction, rather than a left and right direction, to get Vivaldi 
 to start dragging at all...but then it usually does not display the "drop 
 here" item anyway. 

 @Soren I hadn't noticed this but yeah your right. It seems that often I 
 am dragging slightly to the side, inadvertently highlighting some of the 
 text because the mechanism isn't working, then dragging the highlighted 
 text. This creates a tiddler with a bunch of html in the title (">>> class=..etc").

 >>>The peculiar thing is that I have been able to drag and drop many 
 plugins, *except* that I have not been able to drag and drop the 
 Kookma library to a Tiddlywiki hosted on Fission.  However, I could drag 
 and drop the Shiraz plugin to the Fission TW.  I have TW on Gitlab and 
 Tiddlyhost, with no drag and drop problems.

 @Stan I don't have any problems with installing plugins via 
 drag-and-drop, I'm only noticing problems with re-ordering lists (like 
 when 
 clicking on a tag pill). I've not run TW on Fission or Tiddlyhost though.

 >>> Do you have any extensions running on Vivaldi?

 I do but tried it with a blank profile and the problem persists. It 
 seems like there's just something weird about Vivaldi, though I thought it 
 was still based on Chromium.

 On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 00:34:43 UTC Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> I've never used Vivaldi with TW because I have other plugins that 
> interfere with TW, so I've always done TW in a separate browser – so 
> never 
> noticed this before. But on checking, it does not work for me either.
>
> I've found that at least on my machine, you have to drag in an up or 
> down direction, rather than a left and right direction, to get Vivaldi to 
> start dragging at all...but then it usually does not display the "drop 
> here" item anyway.
>
> On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 9:27:20 AM UTC-6 si wrote:
>
>>
>> I recently went back to the Vivaldi browser , 
>> and I noticed that drag-and-drop functions of TiddlyWiki don't work 
>> properly. If you go the "Open" tab (or click on a tag pill) and try to 
>> drag 
>> something, it either doesn't work or creates a new tiddler with some 
>> crazy 
>> html as the title.
>>
>> Does anyone else get this with Vivaldi? It's a shame because it has 
>> some nice TW-friendly features, so I wondered if there was a fix out 
>> there?
>>
>

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[tw5] Re: When "sameday" seems to mean "yesterday"

2021-03-13 Thread Jack Baty

Well sorry, I don't actually want <>. I want the created date of the 
current tiddler, but I think the overall question is the same, which is, 
how do I show a list of tiddlers created on the same day (date) as the 
current tiddler. This will eventually be a macro, possibly.


On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 9:48:39 AM UTC-5 Jack Baty wrote:

> I'm still tinkering with this. 
>
> Thanks to Mark for suggesting adding the Timezone to the sameday filter. 
> That works, but I can't find it documented anywhere. On the DateFormat 
> page  "TZD" is mentioned as Timezone 
> format option but in use it renders as "-5:00" not "05". I've found that 
> only "05" works when used in the sameday operator, e.g.:
>
> <>
>
> This works (by works I mean that sameday lists tiddlers created on the, 
> er, same day).
>
> I'm obviously not capable of understanding documentation, because the only 
> way I can find to show a list of tiddlers created on the same day as the 
> current tiddler is something like this:
>
> <$set name="thedate" value=<>>
> <>
> 
>
> Note the hardcoded "05". Also, this seems somewhat convoluted. There 
> *must* be a better way to just include the MMDD formated date as part 
> of the filter operator without setting a variable, right? And it's probably 
> something obvious and simple that I've overlooked. I get confused around 
> "<>" vs "$foo$" vs "$(foo)$" vs "[[foo]]" and I cannot figure out how 
> to just put the "now 0MMDD" bit right in the filter.
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 2:36:56 PM UTC-5 Jack Baty wrote:
>
>> I'll try the offset, thanks. I'd be happy with a string match on 
>> "20210302*", too though, as that's always the day I'm looking for. Half the 
>> reason I got out of development was to avoid dealing with timezones :)
>>
>> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 1:18:08 PM UTC-5 Mark S. wrote:
>>
>>> If you add your offset to the time, then I think you'll get the results 
>>> you want. That is, if you're in Lima (utc -5), you might use
>>>
>>> sameday:created[2021030205]
>>>
>>> If you live in the other direction, then the math is harder. If you live 
>>> in Yekaterinburg (utc +5), then I assume you would have to use:
>>>
>>> sameday:created[2021030119]
>>>
>>>
  
>

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[tw5] Sameday

Hi

can anyone tell me why this filter returns also $:/HistoryList (which is 
huge) even when !is[system] is included? It returns all my tiddles btw...

<$list filter="[sameday:created[20210313]][!is[system]]">

<$link>''<> ''

{{!!text}}



Tx

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[tw5] Re: When "sameday" seems to mean "yesterday"

2021-03-13 Thread Jack Baty

I'm still tinkering with this. 

Thanks to Mark for suggesting adding the Timezone to the sameday filter. 
That works, but I can't find it documented anywhere. On the DateFormat page 
 "TZD" is mentioned as Timezone format 
option but in use it renders as "-5:00" not "05". I've found that only "05" 
works when used in the sameday operator, e.g.:

<>

This works (by works I mean that sameday lists tiddlers created on the, er, 
same day).

I'm obviously not capable of understanding documentation, because the only 
way I can find to show a list of tiddlers created on the same day as the 
current tiddler is something like this:

<$set name="thedate" value=<>>
<>

Note the hardcoded "05". Also, this seems somewhat convoluted. There *must* be 
a better way to just include the MMDD formated date as part of the 
filter operator without setting a variable, right? And it's probably 
something obvious and simple that I've overlooked. I get confused around 
"<>" vs "$foo$" vs "$(foo)$" vs "[[foo]]" and I cannot figure out how 
to just put the "now 0MMDD" bit right in the filter.

On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 2:36:56 PM UTC-5 Jack Baty wrote:

> I'll try the offset, thanks. I'd be happy with a string match on 
> "20210302*", too though, as that's always the day I'm looking for. Half the 
> reason I got out of development was to avoid dealing with timezones :)
>
> On Tuesday, March 2, 2021 at 1:18:08 PM UTC-5 Mark S. wrote:
>
>> If you add your offset to the time, then I think you'll get the results 
>> you want. That is, if you're in Lima (utc -5), you might use
>>
>> sameday:created[2021030205]
>>
>> If you live in the other direction, then the math is harder. If you live 
>> in Yekaterinburg (utc +5), then I assume you would have to use:
>>
>> sameday:created[2021030119]
>>
>>
>>>  

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[tw5] Re: Drag-and-drop in Vivaldi

@si - I did a quickie here.  I am sitting at my MacBook Air (11in, 
Mojave).  Followed your instructions and had no problems reordering the 
"open" list.  I did not have to be careful about dragging the link - in 
fact, I made a point of dragging at an angle and didn't have a problem. 
I've been able to do this several times now.   I did not experience the 
horizontal/vertical problem that Soren described. 

Stan

On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 8:57:02 AM UTC-5 si wrote:

> @Stan I don't think its a Windows problem, because IIR Soren doesn't use 
> Windows. There's not much to add in the way of instructions:
>
> 1. Open Vivaldi and go to tiddlywiki.com
> 2. Click on one of the links in the "open" tab, and try to drag-and-drop 
> to reorder them. I find that it only works if I am careful to drag the link 
> on a strictly vertical plane. If Idrag it slightly to the side it doesn't 
> work. Same is true for other lists, like the ones you get when you click on 
> tag pills.
>
> This seems to happen in any wiki that I try.
>
> On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 13:45:22 UTC stan...@gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the additional detail, si.  Now I understand your problem 
>> better - I thought the issue was drag and drop for installations.   I will 
>> have to try out re-ordering a list to see if I can reproduce the behavior.  
>>  Can you easily provide example instructions? Maybe we can rule out Windows 
>> as being part of the problem. 
>>
>> You are right, Vivaldi is based on Chrome, as is Brave.  I dropped Brave 
>> as there were too many times when button activation didn't work.   
>>
>> Stan
>>
>> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 8:35:31 AM UTC-5 si wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks for the replies. I forgot to mention that I'm running Windows 10 
>>> and Timimi.
>>>
>>> >>> I've found that at least on my machine, you have to drag in an up or 
>>> down direction, rather than a left and right direction, to get Vivaldi to 
>>> start dragging at all...but then it usually does not display the "drop 
>>> here" item anyway. 
>>>
>>> @Soren I hadn't noticed this but yeah your right. It seems that often I 
>>> am dragging slightly to the side, inadvertently highlighting some of the 
>>> text because the mechanism isn't working, then dragging the highlighted 
>>> text. This creates a tiddler with a bunch of html in the title (">> class=..etc").
>>>
>>> >>>The peculiar thing is that I have been able to drag and drop many 
>>> plugins, *except* that I have not been able to drag and drop the Kookma 
>>> library to a Tiddlywiki hosted on Fission.  However, I could drag and drop 
>>> the Shiraz plugin to the Fission TW.  I have TW on Gitlab and Tiddlyhost, 
>>> with no drag and drop problems.
>>>
>>> @Stan I don't have any problems with installing plugins via 
>>> drag-and-drop, I'm only noticing problems with re-ordering lists (like when 
>>> clicking on a tag pill). I've not run TW on Fission or Tiddlyhost though.
>>>
>>> >>> Do you have any extensions running on Vivaldi?
>>>
>>> I do but tried it with a blank profile and the problem persists. It 
>>> seems like there's just something weird about Vivaldi, though I thought it 
>>> was still based on Chromium.
>>>
>>> On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 00:34:43 UTC Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>>>
 I've never used Vivaldi with TW because I have other plugins that 
 interfere with TW, so I've always done TW in a separate browser – so never 
 noticed this before. But on checking, it does not work for me either.

 I've found that at least on my machine, you have to drag in an up or 
 down direction, rather than a left and right direction, to get Vivaldi to 
 start dragging at all...but then it usually does not display the "drop 
 here" item anyway.

 On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 9:27:20 AM UTC-6 si wrote:

>
> I recently went back to the Vivaldi browser , 
> and I noticed that drag-and-drop functions of TiddlyWiki don't work 
> properly. If you go the "Open" tab (or click on a tag pill) and try to 
> drag 
> something, it either doesn't work or creates a new tiddler with some 
> crazy 
> html as the title.
>
> Does anyone else get this with Vivaldi? It's a shame because it has 
> some nice TW-friendly features, so I wondered if there was a fix out 
> there?
>


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[tw5] Re: Drag-and-drop in Vivaldi

@Stan I don't think its a Windows problem, because IIR Soren doesn't use 
Windows. There's not much to add in the way of instructions:

1. Open Vivaldi and go to tiddlywiki.com
2. Click on one of the links in the "open" tab, and try to drag-and-drop to 
reorder them. I find that it only works if I am careful to drag the link on 
a strictly vertical plane. If Idrag it slightly to the side it doesn't 
work. Same is true for other lists, like the ones you get when you click on 
tag pills.

This seems to happen in any wiki that I try.

On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 13:45:22 UTC stan...@gmail.com wrote:

> Thanks for the additional detail, si.  Now I understand your problem 
> better - I thought the issue was drag and drop for installations.   I will 
> have to try out re-ordering a list to see if I can reproduce the behavior.  
>  Can you easily provide example instructions? Maybe we can rule out Windows 
> as being part of the problem. 
>
> You are right, Vivaldi is based on Chrome, as is Brave.  I dropped Brave 
> as there were too many times when button activation didn't work.   
>
> Stan
>
> On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 8:35:31 AM UTC-5 si wrote:
>
>> Thanks for the replies. I forgot to mention that I'm running Windows 10 
>> and Timimi.
>>
>> >>> I've found that at least on my machine, you have to drag in an up or 
>> down direction, rather than a left and right direction, to get Vivaldi to 
>> start dragging at all...but then it usually does not display the "drop 
>> here" item anyway. 
>>
>> @Soren I hadn't noticed this but yeah your right. It seems that often I 
>> am dragging slightly to the side, inadvertently highlighting some of the 
>> text because the mechanism isn't working, then dragging the highlighted 
>> text. This creates a tiddler with a bunch of html in the title ("> class=..etc").
>>
>> >>>The peculiar thing is that I have been able to drag and drop many 
>> plugins, *except* that I have not been able to drag and drop the Kookma 
>> library to a Tiddlywiki hosted on Fission.  However, I could drag and drop 
>> the Shiraz plugin to the Fission TW.  I have TW on Gitlab and Tiddlyhost, 
>> with no drag and drop problems.
>>
>> @Stan I don't have any problems with installing plugins via 
>> drag-and-drop, I'm only noticing problems with re-ordering lists (like when 
>> clicking on a tag pill). I've not run TW on Fission or Tiddlyhost though.
>>
>> >>> Do you have any extensions running on Vivaldi?
>>
>> I do but tried it with a blank profile and the problem persists. It seems 
>> like there's just something weird about Vivaldi, though I thought it was 
>> still based on Chromium.
>>
>> On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 00:34:43 UTC Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>>
>>> I've never used Vivaldi with TW because I have other plugins that 
>>> interfere with TW, so I've always done TW in a separate browser – so never 
>>> noticed this before. But on checking, it does not work for me either.
>>>
>>> I've found that at least on my machine, you have to drag in an up or 
>>> down direction, rather than a left and right direction, to get Vivaldi to 
>>> start dragging at all...but then it usually does not display the "drop 
>>> here" item anyway.
>>>
>>> On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 9:27:20 AM UTC-6 si wrote:
>>>

 I recently went back to the Vivaldi browser , 
 and I noticed that drag-and-drop functions of TiddlyWiki don't work 
 properly. If you go the "Open" tab (or click on a tag pill) and try to 
 drag 
 something, it either doesn't work or creates a new tiddler with some crazy 
 html as the title.

 Does anyone else get this with Vivaldi? It's a shame because it has 
 some nice TW-friendly features, so I wondered if there was a fix out there?

>>>

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[tw5] Re: Drag-and-drop in Vivaldi

Thanks for the additional detail, si.  Now I understand your problem better 
- I thought the issue was drag and drop for installations.   I will have to 
try out re-ordering a list to see if I can reproduce the behavior.   Can 
you easily provide example instructions? Maybe we can rule out Windows as 
being part of the problem. 

You are right, Vivaldi is based on Chrome, as is Brave.  I dropped Brave as 
there were too many times when button activation didn't work.   

Stan

On Saturday, March 13, 2021 at 8:35:31 AM UTC-5 si wrote:

> Thanks for the replies. I forgot to mention that I'm running Windows 10 
> and Timimi.
>
> >>> I've found that at least on my machine, you have to drag in an up or 
> down direction, rather than a left and right direction, to get Vivaldi to 
> start dragging at all...but then it usually does not display the "drop 
> here" item anyway. 
>
> @Soren I hadn't noticed this but yeah your right. It seems that often I am 
> dragging slightly to the side, inadvertently highlighting some of the text 
> because the mechanism isn't working, then dragging the highlighted text. 
> This creates a tiddler with a bunch of html in the title (" class=..etc").
>
> >>>The peculiar thing is that I have been able to drag and drop many 
> plugins, *except* that I have not been able to drag and drop the Kookma 
> library to a Tiddlywiki hosted on Fission.  However, I could drag and drop 
> the Shiraz plugin to the Fission TW.  I have TW on Gitlab and Tiddlyhost, 
> with no drag and drop problems.
>
> @Stan I don't have any problems with installing plugins via drag-and-drop, 
> I'm only noticing problems with re-ordering lists (like when clicking on a 
> tag pill). I've not run TW on Fission or Tiddlyhost though.
>
> >>> Do you have any extensions running on Vivaldi?
>
> I do but tried it with a blank profile and the problem persists. It seems 
> like there's just something weird about Vivaldi, though I thought it was 
> still based on Chromium.
>
> On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 00:34:43 UTC Soren Bjornstad wrote:
>
>> I've never used Vivaldi with TW because I have other plugins that 
>> interfere with TW, so I've always done TW in a separate browser – so never 
>> noticed this before. But on checking, it does not work for me either.
>>
>> I've found that at least on my machine, you have to drag in an up or down 
>> direction, rather than a left and right direction, to get Vivaldi to start 
>> dragging at all...but then it usually does not display the "drop here" item 
>> anyway.
>>
>> On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 9:27:20 AM UTC-6 si wrote:
>>
>>>
>>> I recently went back to the Vivaldi browser , and 
>>> I noticed that drag-and-drop functions of TiddlyWiki don't work properly. 
>>> If you go the "Open" tab (or click on a tag pill) and try to drag 
>>> something, it either doesn't work or creates a new tiddler with some crazy 
>>> html as the title.
>>>
>>> Does anyone else get this with Vivaldi? It's a shame because it has some 
>>> nice TW-friendly features, so I wondered if there was a fix out there?
>>>
>>

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Re: [tw5] Tiddlywiki Color Template: Too many colors to be set

2021-03-13 Thread Jeremy Ruston

Of the 123 selectors, an awful lot fall into some special categories like 
diffs, alerts, modals, and TiddlyDesktop’s wikilist. Adding foldable groups to 
the palette editor would go a long way to making things more comprehensible.

Ideally, the user would select a handful of cornerstone colours and there would 
be sensible defaults to ripple them through the specific entries, most of which 
should be expressed in terms of those cornerstone colours.

To do that, we’d probably need some colour mixing macros, so that one could set 
a palette entry to, say, the primary colour at 50% brightness.

Best wishes

Jeremy

> On 12 Mar 2021, at 04:50, Mohammad Rahmani  wrote:
> 
> Hi Chris,
>  Thank you for your reply!
>   Yes, I think so, getting to sort out the vanilla palette and try removing 
> extra selectors is a tough job!
>  I like to know what Jeremy thinks about this.
> 
> 
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
> 
> 
> On Fri, Mar 12, 2021 at 5:26 AM clutterstack  > wrote:
> Hi Mohammad,
> 
> I very much agree that the palette is very uncomfortable to tweak 
> selector-by-selector.
> 
> I think this has grown organically and cleaning it up (or rethinking the 
> impact of changing it) is a tedious job. What breaks if we don't have all the 
> selectors currently in Vanilla? I haven't investigated (except occasionally 
> by accident, ha).
> 
> There are a bunch of "wikilist" ones at the end that I think are for 
> TiddlyDesktop(?) and so add to the number without making the TW theming more 
> complicated. 
> 
> I haven't looked (and I should, if I'm going to be playing with this sort of 
> thing), but I would guess that there are themes out there that don't need 
> Vanilla, with fewer selectors.
> 
> I'm rambling. I agree with what you say. At the moment, it seems to me that 
> grouping some selectors together, as I'm doing, but perhaps a bit less 
> aggressively (or more aggressively?) will make it easier for users to make 
> themes without making any changes to the core.
> 
> Thomas Elmiger and Jeremy have evidently been thinking about colour and 
> colour harmony tools for some time, from the thread you referenced (Jeremy's 
> response and TT's link to telmiger's colour tools page).
> 
> Best,
> Chris
> 
> On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 11:52:59 AM UTC-5 Mohammad wrote:
> Referencing to Tweakable colour palette 
> 
> 
> 1. Goto https://tiddlywiki.com/ 
> 2. Open the Advanced search  
> 3. In the filter tab enter [[$:/palettes/Vanilla]indexes[]count[]]
> 
> You see there are 132 css selectors!
> 
> Trying to create a new template is a BIG headache!
> 
> 
> 
> Best wishes
> Mohammad
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[tw5] Re: Drag-and-drop in Vivaldi

Thanks for the replies. I forgot to mention that I'm running Windows 10 and 
Timimi.

>>> I've found that at least on my machine, you have to drag in an up or 
down direction, rather than a left and right direction, to get Vivaldi to 
start dragging at all...but then it usually does not display the "drop 
here" item anyway. 

@Soren I hadn't noticed this but yeah your right. It seems that often I am 
dragging slightly to the side, inadvertently highlighting some of the text 
because the mechanism isn't working, then dragging the highlighted text. 
This creates a tiddler with a bunch of html in the title (">>The peculiar thing is that I have been able to drag and drop many 
plugins, *except* that I have not been able to drag and drop the Kookma 
library to a Tiddlywiki hosted on Fission.  However, I could drag and drop 
the Shiraz plugin to the Fission TW.  I have TW on Gitlab and Tiddlyhost, 
with no drag and drop problems.

@Stan I don't have any problems with installing plugins via drag-and-drop, 
I'm only noticing problems with re-ordering lists (like when clicking on a 
tag pill). I've not run TW on Fission or Tiddlyhost though.

>>> Do you have any extensions running on Vivaldi?

I do but tried it with a blank profile and the problem persists. It seems 
like there's just something weird about Vivaldi, though I thought it was 
still based on Chromium.

On Saturday, 13 March 2021 at 00:34:43 UTC Soren Bjornstad wrote:

> I've never used Vivaldi with TW because I have other plugins that 
> interfere with TW, so I've always done TW in a separate browser – so never 
> noticed this before. But on checking, it does not work for me either.
>
> I've found that at least on my machine, you have to drag in an up or down 
> direction, rather than a left and right direction, to get Vivaldi to start 
> dragging at all...but then it usually does not display the "drop here" item 
> anyway.
>
> On Friday, March 12, 2021 at 9:27:20 AM UTC-6 si wrote:
>
>>
>> I recently went back to the Vivaldi browser , and 
>> I noticed that drag-and-drop functions of TiddlyWiki don't work properly. 
>> If you go the "Open" tab (or click on a tag pill) and try to drag 
>> something, it either doesn't work or creates a new tiddler with some crazy 
>> html as the title.
>>
>> Does anyone else get this with Vivaldi? It's a shame because it has some 
>> nice TW-friendly features, so I wondered if there was a fix out there?
>>
>

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Re: [tw5] Re: [Feedback wanted] Tweakable colour palette

2021-03-13 Thread Jeremy Ruston

> Thanks! I have a lot of things to tidy up on the manipulating-palettes 
side, but I am intrigued to know more of your envisioned colour wheel. I 
can imagine something wherein you pick a base colour and a "mode" 
(triadic/complementary/analogous or something) and it shows a wheel with 
the suggestions outlined or something.  But I'm not sure I am picturing 
what you're picturing. 

The idea would be that instead of manually setting all six root colours, 
I'd just set one or perhaps two, and then choose from a list of harmony 
relationships used to generate the other required shades, ensuring that 
they work well with the selected colours.

The harmony relationships are covered in 
wikipedia: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harmony_(color)

But it's much more fun to explore them 
interactively: https://color.adobe.com/create/color-wheel

Best wishes

Jeremy



On Thursday, March 11, 2021 at 12:01:08 AM UTC clutterstack wrote:

> Hi Jeremy, 
>
> Thanks! I have a lot of things to tidy up on the manipulating-palettes 
> side, but I am intrigued to know more of your envisioned colour wheel. I 
> can imagine something wherein you pick a base colour and a "mode" 
> (triadic/complementary/analogous or something) and it shows a wheel with 
> the suggestions outlined or something.  But I'm not sure I am picturing 
> what you're picturing. 
>
> Best,
> Chris
>
> On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 5:30:54 PM UTC-5 Jeremy Ruston wrote:
>
>> Hi Chris
>>
>> This is excellent, I do encourage you to continue with it. I'd love to 
>> have an integrated colour wheel to make it easier to select colour 
>> relationships like complementary, triadic, etc. I'm keen to add filter 
>> operators to perform colour manipulations like darken/lighten, rotate hue 
>> etc, which might make that sort of thing a bit easier.
>>
>> Best wishes
>>
>> Jeremy
>>
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>> jer...@jermolene.com
>> https://jermolene.com
>>
>> On 10 Mar 2021, at 22:07, clutterstack  wrote:
>>
>> Added a sidebar tab (refactoring will remove the voluble text at the 
>> top).
>>
>>
>>
>> On Wednesday, March 10, 2021 at 3:29:22 PM UTC-5 clutterstack wrote:
>>
>>> Hi all,
>>>
>>> I've just uploaded a hacked-together demo of a plugin for a palette that 
>>> you can tweak. The idea is that you choose a few colours you like (a 
>>> "mood") and decide which groups of features in TW get which of those 
>>> colours. The groups are not optimised and not all palette colour names from 
>>> Vanilla are incorporated.
>>>
>>> Moods plugin demo 
>>>
>>> I'd like to know if people think this would be useful/fun, and also in 
>>> which ways it's broken for others!
>>>
>>> Best,
>>> Chris
>>>
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Re: [tw5] Re: Color Play: a playground for colors and palettes in Tiddlywiki

That's true!

Best wishes
Mohammad


On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 2:55 PM TiddlyTweeter 
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> TiddlyTweeter  wrote:
>>
>>> TW Vanilla, I think, is a really good CSS design, but too complex for
>>> EASY logical modification.
>>>
>>
> Mohammad wrote:
>
>> Let me disagree! I think it is very difficult to maintain Vanilla CSS! It
>> can have a much better design!
>>
>
> We are likely *BOTH *right! In different ways.
>
> I think Vanilla works *well *out-of-the-box.
>
> In actual CSS re-design developers, most of them, do a* "CSS cascade
> overlay"  *BECAUSE* zeroing out Vanilla  is a real challenge that few
> have attempted.*
>
> But we CAN zero-out Vanilla. But we CAN'T zero-out the *zillions *of
> classes that will still need defining.
>
> My 2 Cents
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Re: [tw5] Re: Color Play: a playground for colors and palettes in Tiddlywiki


>
> TiddlyTweeter  wrote:
>
>> TW Vanilla, I think, is a really good CSS design, but too complex for 
>> EASY logical modification.
>>
>
Mohammad wrote: 

> Let me disagree! I think it is very difficult to maintain Vanilla CSS! It 
> can have a much better design!
>

We are likely *BOTH *right! In different ways.

I think Vanilla works *well *out-of-the-box. 

In actual CSS re-design developers, most of them, do a* "CSS cascade 
overlay"  *BECAUSE* zeroing out Vanilla  is a real challenge that few have 
attempted.*

But we CAN zero-out Vanilla. But we CAN'T zero-out the *zillions *of 
classes that will still need defining.

My 2 Cents
TT

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Re: [tw5] Re: Color Play: a playground for colors and palettes in Tiddlywiki

On Sat, Mar 13, 2021 at 2:18 PM TiddlyTweeter 
wrote:

> Mohammad wrote:
>
>> Yes, you are tight! There are 132 css selectors! ...
>>
> ... there are still too many selectors and no grouping! I think this is
>> not a good design practice.
>>
>
> RIGHT. The issue arose, I think, (1) partly from legacy; (2) partly
> recognition of the power of CSS.
>
> *In reality, TW has SO MANY METHODS of applying CSS it is really daunting
> (here are SOME of them
>  , there are
> MORE available through WikiText) .*
>
> *The palette selectors reflect the complexity of TW's CSS in general I
> think! *
>
> FYI, the only developer I know who attempted to look at the whole CSS
> issue from "*Ground Zero*" was Telmiger in his BRICKS plugin.
>

I have seen it before! but I will have close look again!

ّ‌

>
> TW Vanilla, I think, is a really good CSS design, but too complex for EASY
> logical modification.
>

Let me disagree! I think it is very difficult to maintain Vanilla CSS! It
can have a much better design!


> My 2 Cents :-)
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Re: [tw5] Re: Color Play: a playground for colors and palettes in Tiddlywiki

Mohammad wrote:

> Yes, you are tight! There are 132 css selectors! ...
>
... there are still too many selectors and no grouping! I think this is not 
> a good design practice.
>

RIGHT. The issue arose, I think, (1) partly from legacy; (2) partly 
recognition of the power of CSS. 

*In reality, TW has SO MANY METHODS of applying CSS it is really daunting  
(here are SOME of them 
 , there are 
MORE available through WikiText) .*

*The palette selectors reflect the complexity of TW's CSS in general I 
think! *

FYI, the only developer I know who attempted to look at the whole CSS issue 
from "*Ground Zero*" was Telmiger in his BRICKS plugin. 

TW Vanilla, I think, is a really good CSS design, but too complex for EASY 
logical modification.

My 2 Cents :-)
TT

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[tw5] Re: Curiouse discovery, not tiddlyverse but tidyverse

Ciao TW Tones

It IS interesting. But* R* is a Whole World in itself: *"In R, the 
fundamental unit of shareable code is the package. A package bundles 
together code, data, documentation, and tests, and is easy to share with 
others."  *(https://r-pkgs.org/intro.html).

I am totally UNCLEAR how you could use *R *in *TW*? Seems like re-package 
of package?

Best wishes
TT

TW Tones wrote:

> I stumbled apon tidyverse.org which caught my eye. It is "R packages for 
> data science". I do not know how easy it would be to intergrate it with 
> tiddlywiki but many of its packages would be useful for displaying or 
> interogating data in tiddlers.
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