Re: [tips] They Too Died That Day
Hi Personally I do not think that apologies like Claudia's should be necessary when talking about group differences on a list like this (i.e., teachers of psychology), whether those differences concern religion, ethnicity, or whatever. Surely we appreciate when saying, for example, that men tend to be more aggressive than women (sometimes stated in short hand that men are more aggressive than women), that we do not mean that ALL men are more aggressive than ALL women. Similarly to say that a religious group has certain tendencies less present in other groups does not mean that we attribute those tendencies to all members of the group. Psychologists above all others are probably more sensitive to individual and group differences, and the complexities of both. Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor of Psychology 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca >>> Claudia Stanny 14-Sep-10 10:16 PM >>> On reflection, I believe I ought to post an apology for my recent post, which can reasonably be regarded as a rant. I in no way intended to imply that Christians in general (Fundamentalist or otherwise) were terrorists or collectively approved of the dreadful behaviors I described. I apologize to any readers who detected that message in my post. I admit I was hasty and wrote something that could lead a reasonable person to reach that interpretation. I regret any hurt feelings my words caused. By the same token, I hope that posters who wrote similarly hasty things about other religious groups would consider how their words might be interpreted or misinterpreted by others. It is always a mistake to vilify an entire group based on the actions of a few extreme members. I am concerned about the polarized and irrational discourse that surrounds much political discussion these days. I apologize for my contribution to the deterioration of civility. Claudia Stanny On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Michael Smith wrote: > My take would be that "curious directions" are directions he perhaps > thinks are not worthwhile talking about. > And I agree most are related either directly or indirectly to the > "madness" aspect and what-can-we-learn/teach from it. > Including the stereotypes of muslims and christians. > > But anyway, I don't think in a public forum like a listserv that a > poster can expect to exercise control over the discussion, no matter > what he/she thinks is the important point. > > --Mike > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Jim Clark wrote: > > Hi > > > > It is not clear what Mike thinks are "curious directions." Most of the > responses I have seen appear to be reactions to the Mike's characterizing > what was happening as "madness" and asking "what critical thinking lessons > psychologists will teach about this madness." Perhaps it was not his > intention for us to focus on that aspect of his posting? > > > > Take care > > Jim > > > > James M. Clark > > Professor of Psychology > > 204-786-9757 > > 204-774-4134 Fax > > j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca > > > "Mike Palij" 13-Sep-10 9:21:41 PM >>> > > I started this thread several days ago with the post below which > > focused on a Muslin family who had lost a family member on > > 9/11. I felt it was necessary to remind people that many different > > groups of people died that day and the current attempt by some > > to "Christianize" 9/11 should make wonder why such a thing was > > occurring. The contributors to this thread has taken the discussion > > in curious directions and I decided not to respond until now. On > > ... > > On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 06:08:43 -0700, Mike Palij wrote: > >>An article in the NY Times focuses on one family that deals with > >>their grief over the loss of a father and husband in the 9/11 attack > >>on the World Trade Center. How they have dealth with the attack > >>and the aftermath should give us and, if we share with our students, > >>pause. See: > >> > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/10/nyregion/10muslim.html?_r=1&th=&emc=th&pagewanted=all > > >> > >>The fact that the family is Muslim would be incidental except for > >>the recent madness manifesting itself in U.S. religious and political > >>circles. I wonder what critical thinking lessons psychologists will > >>teach about this madness? > > > > > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to tips as: tipsl...@gmail.com. > > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13541.42a7e8017ab9578358f118300f4720fb&n=T&l=tips&o=4793 > > > or send a blank email to > leave-4793-13541.42a7e8017ab9578358f118300f472...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: csta...@uwf.edu. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13144.1572ed60024e708cf21c4c6f19e7d550&n=T&l=tips&o=4799 > > or send a blank email to > leave-4799-13144.1572ed60024e708cf21c4c6f19e7d...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://
Re: [tips] They Too Died That Day
On reflection, I believe I ought to post an apology for my recent post, which can reasonably be regarded as a rant. I in no way intended to imply that Christians in general (Fundamentalist or otherwise) were terrorists or collectively approved of the dreadful behaviors I described. I apologize to any readers who detected that message in my post. I admit I was hasty and wrote something that could lead a reasonable person to reach that interpretation. I regret any hurt feelings my words caused. By the same token, I hope that posters who wrote similarly hasty things about other religious groups would consider how their words might be interpreted or misinterpreted by others. It is always a mistake to vilify an entire group based on the actions of a few extreme members. I am concerned about the polarized and irrational discourse that surrounds much political discussion these days. I apologize for my contribution to the deterioration of civility. Claudia Stanny On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 12:08 PM, Michael Smith wrote: > My take would be that "curious directions" are directions he perhaps > thinks are not worthwhile talking about. > And I agree most are related either directly or indirectly to the > "madness" aspect and what-can-we-learn/teach from it. > Including the stereotypes of muslims and christians. > > But anyway, I don't think in a public forum like a listserv that a > poster can expect to exercise control over the discussion, no matter > what he/she thinks is the important point. > > --Mike > > On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Jim Clark wrote: > > Hi > > > > It is not clear what Mike thinks are "curious directions." Most of the > responses I have seen appear to be reactions to the Mike's characterizing > what was happening as "madness" and asking "what critical thinking lessons > psychologists will teach about this madness." Perhaps it was not his > intention for us to focus on that aspect of his posting? > > > > Take care > > Jim > > > > James M. Clark > > Professor of Psychology > > 204-786-9757 > > 204-774-4134 Fax > > j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca > > > "Mike Palij" 13-Sep-10 9:21:41 PM >>> > > I started this thread several days ago with the post below which > > focused on a Muslin family who had lost a family member on > > 9/11. I felt it was necessary to remind people that many different > > groups of people died that day and the current attempt by some > > to "Christianize" 9/11 should make wonder why such a thing was > > occurring. The contributors to this thread has taken the discussion > > in curious directions and I decided not to respond until now. On > > ... > > On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 06:08:43 -0700, Mike Palij wrote: > >>An article in the NY Times focuses on one family that deals with > >>their grief over the loss of a father and husband in the 9/11 attack > >>on the World Trade Center. How they have dealth with the attack > >>and the aftermath should give us and, if we share with our students, > >>pause. See: > >> > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/10/nyregion/10muslim.html?_r=1&th=&emc=th&pagewanted=all > >> > >>The fact that the family is Muslim would be incidental except for > >>the recent madness manifesting itself in U.S. religious and political > >>circles. I wonder what critical thinking lessons psychologists will > >>teach about this madness? > > > > > > > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to tips as: tipsl...@gmail.com. > > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13541.42a7e8017ab9578358f118300f4720fb&n=T&l=tips&o=4793 > > or send a blank email to > leave-4793-13541.42a7e8017ab9578358f118300f472...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: csta...@uwf.edu. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13144.1572ed60024e708cf21c4c6f19e7d550&n=T&l=tips&o=4799 > or send a blank email to > leave-4799-13144.1572ed60024e708cf21c4c6f19e7d...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=4818 or send a blank email to leave-4818-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
Re: [tips] They Too Died That Day
My take would be that "curious directions" are directions he perhaps thinks are not worthwhile talking about. And I agree most are related either directly or indirectly to the "madness" aspect and what-can-we-learn/teach from it. Including the stereotypes of muslims and christians. But anyway, I don't think in a public forum like a listserv that a poster can expect to exercise control over the discussion, no matter what he/she thinks is the important point. --Mike On Tue, Sep 14, 2010 at 9:06 AM, Jim Clark wrote: > Hi > > It is not clear what Mike thinks are "curious directions." Most of the > responses I have seen appear to be reactions to the Mike's characterizing > what was happening as "madness" and asking "what critical thinking lessons > psychologists will teach about this madness." Perhaps it was not his > intention for us to focus on that aspect of his posting? > > Take care > Jim > > James M. Clark > Professor of Psychology > 204-786-9757 > 204-774-4134 Fax > j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca > "Mike Palij" 13-Sep-10 9:21:41 PM >>> > I started this thread several days ago with the post below which > focused on a Muslin family who had lost a family member on > 9/11. I felt it was necessary to remind people that many different > groups of people died that day and the current attempt by some > to "Christianize" 9/11 should make wonder why such a thing was > occurring. The contributors to this thread has taken the discussion > in curious directions and I decided not to respond until now. On > ... > On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 06:08:43 -0700, Mike Palij wrote: >>An article in the NY Times focuses on one family that deals with >>their grief over the loss of a father and husband in the 9/11 attack >>on the World Trade Center. How they have dealth with the attack >>and the aftermath should give us and, if we share with our students, >>pause. See: >> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/10/nyregion/10muslim.html?_r=1&th=&emc=th&pagewanted=all >> >>The fact that the family is Muslim would be incidental except for >>the recent madness manifesting itself in U.S. religious and political >>circles. I wonder what critical thinking lessons psychologists will >>teach about this madness? > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: tipsl...@gmail.com. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13541.42a7e8017ab9578358f118300f4720fb&n=T&l=tips&o=4793 > or send a blank email to > leave-4793-13541.42a7e8017ab9578358f118300f472...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=4799 or send a blank email to leave-4799-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
re: [tips] They Too Died That Day
Hi It is not clear what Mike thinks are "curious directions." Most of the responses I have seen appear to be reactions to the Mike's characterizing what was happening as "madness" and asking "what critical thinking lessons psychologists will teach about this madness." Perhaps it was not his intention for us to focus on that aspect of his posting? Take care Jim James M. Clark Professor of Psychology 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca >>> "Mike Palij" 13-Sep-10 9:21:41 PM >>> I started this thread several days ago with the post below which focused on a Muslin family who had lost a family member on 9/11. I felt it was necessary to remind people that many different groups of people died that day and the current attempt by some to "Christianize" 9/11 should make wonder why such a thing was occurring. The contributors to this thread has taken the discussion in curious directions and I decided not to respond until now. On ... On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 06:08:43 -0700, Mike Palij wrote: >An article in the NY Times focuses on one family that deals with >their grief over the loss of a father and husband in the 9/11 attack >on the World Trade Center. How they have dealth with the attack >and the aftermath should give us and, if we share with our students, >pause. See: > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/10/nyregion/10muslim.html?_r=1&th=&emc=th&pagewanted=all > > >The fact that the family is Muslim would be incidental except for >the recent madness manifesting itself in U.S. religious and political >circles. I wonder what critical thinking lessons psychologists will >teach about this madness? --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=4793 or send a blank email to leave-4793-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
re: [tips] They Too Died That Day
I started this thread several days ago with the post below which focused on a Muslin family who had lost a family member on 9/11. I felt it was necessary to remind people that many different groups of people died that day and the current attempt by some to "Christianize" 9/11 should make wonder why such a thing was occurring. The contributors to this thread has taken the discussion in curious directions and I decided not to respond until now. On Saturday, 09/11/2010, the NY Times had an article in its "On Religion" section that pointed out that there were two prayer areas in the Twin Towers that were used by Muslims who had worked in the World Trade Center; see: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/11/nyregion/11religion.html?_r=1&sq=wtc%20mosques%209/11&st=cse&scp=1&pagewanted=all Quoting from the article: |Opponents of the Park51 project say the presence of a Muslim |center dishonors the victims of the Islamic extremists who flew |two jets into the towers. Yet not only were Muslims peacefully |worshiping in the twin towers long before the attacks, but even |after the 1993 bombing of one tower by a Muslim radical, Ramzi |Yousef, their religious observance generated no opposition | |“We weren’t aliens,” Mr. Abdus-Salaam, 60, said in a telephone |interview from Florida, where he moved in retirement. “We had a |foothold there. You’d walk into the elevator in the morning and |say, ‘Salaam aleikum,’ to one construction worker and five more |guys in suits would answer, ‘Aleikum salaam.’ ” | |One of those men in suits could have been Zafar Sareshwala, a |financial executive for the Parsoli Corporation, who went to the prayer |room while on business trips from his London office. He was introduced |to it, he recently recalled, by a Manhattan investment banker who |happened to be Jewish. | |“It was so freeing and so calm,” Mr. Sareshwala, 47, said in a phone |conversation from Mumbai, where he is now based. “It had the feel |of a real mosque. And the best part is that you are in the epicenter of |capitalism — New York City, the World Trade Center — and you |had this island of spiritualism. I don’t think you could have that combination |anywhere in the world.” A cynical political prediction one could make is that the people who are promoting the attack against the Park Place Islamic Center will disappear after the November elections though the 9/11 families they used as pawns will be left with their personal pain as welll as thinking that Muslims were not part of the life at the World Trade Cetner, that they were not the only ones to suffer but many, many people suffered. They are not the only stakeholders and they don't get to decide for the rest of us. -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu On Fri, 10 Sep 2010 06:08:43 -0700, Mike Palij wrote: >An article in the NY Times focuses on one family that deals with >their grief over the loss of a father and husband in the 9/11 attack >on the World Trade Center. How they have dealth with the attack >and the aftermath should give us and, if we share with our students, >pause. See: > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/10/nyregion/10muslim.html?_r=1&th=&emc=th&pagewanted=all > > >The fact that the family is Muslim would be incidental except for >the recent madness manifesting itself in U.S. religious and political >circles. I wonder what critical thinking lessons psychologists will >teach about this madness? --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=4785 or send a blank email to leave-4785-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] They Too Died That Day
Wikipedia has interesting list of books that have been burned. I am sure it is not complete or canonical but it is quite long. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_burning Another interesting fact: Martin Luther actually wrote a preface to a Latin translation of the Koran (although some say it tended to overstate some of the distasteful passages-that is probably a matter of interpretation). He certainly disagreed with it; I wonder if he would have burned it (especially with his preface in it)? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Qur'an_translations#Latin If Koran-burning is so popular a pastime among American Christians and churches, it is a wonder that it has escaped the media attention of this latest effort which never actually came to fruition. Rick Dr. Rick Froman, Chair Division of Humanities and Social Sciences Professor of Psychology Box 3055 John Brown University 2000 W. University Siloam Springs, AR 72761 rfro...@jbu.edu (479)524-7295 http://tinyurl.com/DrFroman From: Christopher D. Green [mailto:chri...@yorku.ca] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2010 3:14 PM To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Subject: Re: [tips] They Too Died That Day Dr. Bob Wildblood wrote: Marc Carter wrote: "As late as my youth I can tell you that (at least in the Catholic Church) it was taught that biblical stories required interpretation, and as late as my mom's youth, Catholics were not encouraged to read the bible without a priest handy to help you understand what it was telling you..." Isn't that exactly what Martin Luther was complaining about 500 years ago? I guess that's why we have Catholics and Lutherans today. Luther probably didn't envisioned Terry Jones as the outcome of his injunction that everyone should read the Bible for themselves. (On the other hand, Luther probably would have been perfectly happy to burn copies of the Koran). Interestingly, Calvin's response to Michael Sevitus interpreting the Bible for himself was to execute him. And Calvin probably had a much great influence on American protestantism than Luther. Chris -- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 Canada 416-736-2100 ex. 66164 chri...@yorku.ca<mailto:chri...@yorku.ca> http://www.yorku.ca/christo/ == --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: rfro...@jbu.edu<mailto:rfro...@jbu.edu>. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13039.37a56d458b5e856d05bcfb3322db5f8a&n=T&l=tips&o=4781 (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) or send a blank email to leave-4781-13039.37a56d458b5e856d05bcfb3322db5...@fsulist.frostburg.edu<mailto:leave-4781-13039.37a56d458b5e856d05bcfb3322db5...@fsulist.frostburg.edu> --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=4783 or send a blank email to leave-4783-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] They Too Died That Day
I was thinking more about Jim Jones -- and David Koresh, and people like Fred
Phelps
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Dr. Bob Wildblood wrote:
Marc Carter wrote: "As late as my youth I can tell you that (at least in the
Catholic Church) it was taught that biblical stories required interpretation,
and as late as my mom's youth, Catholics were not encouraged to read the bible
without a priest handy to help you understand what it was telling you..."
Isn't that exactly what Martin Luther was complaining about 500 years ago? I
guess that's why we have Catholics and Lutherans today.
Luther probably didn't envisioned Terry Jones as the outcome of his injunction
that everyone should read the Bible for themselves. (On the other hand, Luther
probably would have been perfectly happy to burn copies of the Koran).
Interestingly, Calvin's response to Michael Sevitus interpreting the Bible for
himself was to execute him. And Calvin probably had a much great influence on
American protestantism than Luther.
Chris
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Re: [tips] They Too Died That Day
Dr. Bob Wildblood wrote: > Marc Carter wrote: "As late as my youth I can tell you that (at least in the > Catholic Church) it was taught that biblical stories required interpretation, > and as late as my mom's youth, Catholics were not encouraged to read the > bible without a priest handy to help you understand what it was telling > you..." > > Isn't that exactly what Martin Luther was complaining about 500 years ago? I > guess that's why we have Catholics and Lutherans today. > > Luther probably didn't envisioned Terry Jones as the outcome of his injunction that everyone should read the Bible for themselves. (On the other hand, Luther probably would have been perfectly happy to burn copies of the Koran). Interestingly, Calvin's response to Michael Sevitus interpreting the Bible for himself was to execute him. And Calvin probably had a much great influence on American protestantism than Luther. Chris -- Christopher D. Green Department of Psychology York University Toronto, ON M3J 1P3 Canada 416-736-2100 ex. 66164 chri...@yorku.ca http://www.yorku.ca/christo/ == --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=4781 or send a blank email to leave-4781-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
RE: [tips] They Too Died That Day
I like Michael's comments on basic human fear and how this perhaps
underlying, unspoken affect finds expression in protest action and can
be exploited by those who sense its presence and want publicity. Just
think in the last few months about the protests in and about
Arizona-treatment of not just immigrants, the ground zero building
placement issue, burning the Koran, let alone the earlier and
continuing tea party phenomenon. In California we have had repeated
protests about police brutality (no protests re public fights and knife
carrying) and the appalling City of Bell financial happenings.
Why didn't we have protests re the proposal of war in Iraq and/or
Afghanistan (that certainly blew the federal financial budget or)
protests re the quiet marketing of financial packages of sub-prime
mortgages i.e., Goldman Sachs? Were these just at quiet times in our
history and people experienced no fear of change or sense of financial
threat?
So, why protests: so much, this year?
Don't mean to make complexities simplistic or maybe I do...
Joann Jelly
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JC.
Your question assumes that the default position has been to read the
bible literally. However, the 'dogmatic literalist' view is a
distortion of modern times. So, the short answer to your question
'when did people seriously consider the bible from a non-literalist
view' is: Always. From the beginning, theologians did not take the
bible "literally" or simplistically, but have always thought deeply
about it's message. Indeed, from the 2nd to 6th centuries (the time
of the church fathers), the 'default position' of biblical
interpretation was primarily allegorical. The 1600's (although not
exclusivley) saw the addition of historical criticism. It's only in
modern times (last 50 years?), that the bible has been taken in a
simplistic, slogan-like way by both fundamentalist Christians and
fundamentalist Atheists.
The form of your question also assumes that the entire bible must
either be understood literally or not. However, biblical
interpretation has always been an issue of which parts warrant literal
interpretation, which allegorical, and which metaphorical.
I can sympathize with Claudia's situation; violence and aggression are
frightening and unwelcome (to say nothing of the noise!). I'm not sure
that religion is to blame or really has that much to do with it though
. Real religion always encourages a deep and thoughtful
self-questioning with regard to one's outlook and motives while always
maintaining a deep concern and respect for others and their worldview.
Fundamentalism as it has come to be known, is not, I think, a
religious issue as much as it is an issue of basic human fear: the
fear of change. When things are changing, when the world doesn't suit
us, when we no longer see our personal values reflected in our
environment, we become frightened and the usual response is to lash
out and try to force the world back into our view of how it should be.
To accomplish this people may use religion ("fundamentalism"), or
politics (tea party?), or education (ivory towers), or any number of
other ways.
So I don't really think it is a religious issue as much as just a
human one. But I think real religion actually helps us here with the
thoughtful re-assessment of our prejudice. For the truly religious,
the world, the people in it, and it's constant change are
opportunities for growth and care of our fellows. Force and violence
are not something which can ever be condoned. It's only when religion
is hijacked by basic human fears that "religion" condones violence and
oppression.
--Mike
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Marc Carter wrote: "As late as my youth I can tell you that (at least in the Catholic Church) it was taught that biblical stories required interpretation, and as late as my mom's youth, Catholics were not encouraged to read the bible without a priest handy to help you understand what it was telling you..." Isn't that exactly what Martin Luther was complaining about 500 years ago? I guess that's why we have Catholics and Lutherans today. . Robert W. Wildblood, PhD Adjunct Psychology Faculty Germanna Community College drb...@rcn.com --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=4779 or send a blank email to leave-4779-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
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JC.
Your question assumes that the default position has been to read the
bible literally. However, the 'dogmatic literalist' view is a
distortion of modern times. So, the short answer to your question
'when did people seriously consider the bible from a non-literalist
view' is: Always. From the beginning, theologians did not take the
bible "literally" or simplistically, but have always thought deeply
about it's message. Indeed, from the 2nd to 6th centuries (the time
of the church fathers), the 'default position' of biblical
interpretation was primarily allegorical. The 1600's (although not
exclusivley) saw the addition of historical criticism. It's only in
modern times (last 50 years?), that the bible has been taken in a
simplistic, slogan-like way by both fundamentalist Christians and
fundamentalist Atheists.
The form of your question also assumes that the entire bible must
either be understood literally or not. However, biblical
interpretation has always been an issue of which parts warrant literal
interpretation, which allegorical, and which metaphorical.
I can sympathize with Claudia's situation; violence and aggression are
frightening and unwelcome (to say nothing of the noise!). I'm not sure
that religion is to blame or really has that much to do with it though
. Real religion always encourages a deep and thoughtful
self-questioning with regard to one's outlook and motives while always
maintaining a deep concern and respect for others and their worldview.
Fundamentalism as it has come to be known, is not, I think, a
religious issue as much as it is an issue of basic human fear: the
fear of change. When things are changing, when the world doesn't suit
us, when we no longer see our personal values reflected in our
environment, we become frightened and the usual response is to lash
out and try to force the world back into our view of how it should be.
To accomplish this people may use religion ("fundamentalism"), or
politics (tea party?), or education (ivory towers), or any number of
other ways.
So I don't really think it is a religious issue as much as just a
human one. But I think real religion actually helps us here with the
thoughtful re-assessment of our prejudice. For the truly religious,
the world, the people in it, and it's constant change are
opportunities for growth and care of our fellows. Force and violence
are not something which can ever be condoned. It's only when religion
is hijacked by basic human fears that "religion" condones violence and
oppression.
--Mike
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following blindly its edicts. It would be interesting to know historically over what time period changes occurred in attitudes toward religion and its components (e.g., bible). When, for example, did people first start entertaining seriously the idea that the bible could be viewed as a figurative document rather than one to be taken literally? I don't have any references for you, but I can tell you that very early on the Fathers of the Church insisted scripture *not* be taken literally. As late as my youth I can tell you that (at least in the Catholic Church) it was taught that biblical stories required interpretation, and as late as my mom's youth, Catholics were not encouraged to read the bible without a priest handy to help you understand what it was telling you... m Let me say this about that. Most changes in attitudes may not be "time driven" but are "event driven".The catholic church has softened some of its views about planetary and evolutionary matters because of the preponderance of evidence from science. Yep,it is true that the Catholic church did not encourage catholics to read the bible because of a perceived lack of interpretation skills.But I also think that the church wanted to uphold some of its doctrines which went contrary to biblical teachings.Just as moslems have a series of sayings from the Haddid,the Catholic church had Canon Law dictates which supported papal infallibility,the cult of the Virgin Mary,and so on.As a matter of fact,the evangelicals have made gret gains in Latin America because they depict catholicism as being anti-biblical.When the church put a stop to Liberation thrology in Latin America,orogressive priests like Camillo de Torres of Colombia left service to the poor a missionary thrust to the evangelicals. On a hidtorical note it has been hypothesized that all of China could have been cetholic if the Pope had allowed the Jesuits there to use Chinese in the mass' Michael "omnicentric" Sylvester,PhD Daytona Beach,Florida --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=4773 or send a blank email to leave-4773-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
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> -Original Message-
> From: Jim Clark [mailto:j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca]
> Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2010 1:11 PM
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> following blindly its edicts. It would be interesting to
> know historically over what time period changes occurred in
> attitudes toward religion and its components (e.g., bible).
> When, for example, did people first start entertaining
> seriously the idea that the bible could be viewed as a
> figurative document rather than one to be taken literally?
I don't have any references for you, but I can tell you that very early on the
Fathers of the Church insisted scripture *not* be taken literally. As late as
my youth I can tell you that (at least in the Catholic Church) it was taught
that biblical stories required interpretation, and as late as my mom's youth,
Catholics were not encouraged to read the bible without a priest handy to help
you understand what it was telling you...
m
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Has Western society really evolved that much from religious barbarism? My perceptions might be distorted a bit . . . I live in a region where churches were bombed in the 1960s because it was "too soon" after the turmoil of the Civil War to consider sitting next to a person of color on a bus or to use the same drinking fountain, much less allow them to vote. I saw evidence of the persistence of this attitude in the 1970s, where some communities still maintained separate seating in the balcony of movie theaters for African Americans. More recently, the youth minister of a local fundamentalist Christian church detonated a bomb in a medical clinic on Christmas morning as his "gift to Jesus." A decade later another fundamentalist Christian minister purchased a small sliver of land adjoining a clinic and set up a system of ladders and scaffolding along the privacy fence, where he would perch with a bullhorn and harass physicians, staff, and clients. This circus continued for a couple of years. He was defended in the community because he owned the property and had a right to do with it at he pleased. (Sound familiar?) His actions finally came to an end when he brought a shotgun and murdered a physician and his escort as they arrived at the clinic one morning. Every weekend of every summer I must endure the shouted "ministry" of ministers-in-training from the local Christian college, who stand on street corners and use their Bibles to direct their tirades threatening all who pass with hell fire and damnation. Closed windows, blasting AC, and Bach at full volume on the CD fail to muffle the noise. I can't imagine what a woman in a head scarf must endure from this crowd. But they do have a right to speak. The same right that protects my speech in this e-mail, which some might find objectionable and would like to silence. Then we have the mere criminals; tax cheats who wrap themselves in some weird interpretation of Biblical verse that they claim grants them permission to pay their employees in cash and not pay Social Security or income taxes on wages. (Actual local case, now convicted.) My fears of religious terrorism are much closer to home. None of these terrorists worships in a mosque. Claudia Stanny --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=4756 or send a blank email to leave-4756-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
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Hi James M. Clark Professor of Psychology 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca >>> Michael Smith 12-Sep-10 9:51:44 AM >>> ... Although, unlike James, I think the reason that Western society has 'evolved' beyond barbarism (at least institutionally) and enshrines human rights and freedoms is not in spite of Christianity, but a major part of that development is because of it. JC: I agree with Mike but I think that extracting what was good in Christianity (do unto others, caring for weak) and leaving behind (somewhat) what was questionable (an eye for an eye, burning heretics) may have depended on some loosening of religion's hold on people so that they did not feel compelled to following blindly its edicts. It would be interesting to know historically over what time period changes occurred in attitudes toward religion and its components (e.g., bible). When, for example, did people first start entertaining seriously the idea that the bible could be viewed as a figurative document rather than one to be taken literally? Not that the latter attitude isn't still present in some people and prevalent in some Christian nations. In the survey of Africans I mentioned previously, a majority of both Christians and Muslims tended to view their religious text as a literal document. I'll be teaching about the rôle of religion in enculturation in my culture and psych class in a few weeks. I've been increasing that material over the years (not much in the text), in part because religion is so central to people's lives in many parts of the world. It will be interesting to see if some of these current events are brought up by students, and if so, what they say. Take care Jim --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=4753 or send a blank email to leave-4753-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
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Apparantly Hermann Goering claimed that it was very easy to control the public (and he should know)...just call a person unpatriotic. It still works today. Just call people who differ in opinion racist, or islamohphobic or homophobic, and there you go--you have control. I also think there could be much to worry about if a competing ideology isn't afraid to use violent coercion and can use democracy to vote in sympathetic leaders during its weak beginnings. The fact that there has not been a vehement condemnation of terrorism across the entire Muslim world and all of its leadership could be telling. Although, unlike James, I think the reason that Western society has 'evolved' beyond barbarism (at least institutionally) and enshrines human rights and freedoms is not in spite of Christianity, but a major part of that development is because of it. --Mike --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=4752 or send a blank email to leave-4752-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
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Jim: I concur with you. I personally will pass on Islam.I can not find any justification for Africans or African-Americans to join Islam.Of course I could make similar modified arguments for christianity.But from what I know of Islam (I stand corrected) there is lots of condoning of justification of slavery in the Koran (or is it Quran).Moslem leaders in the Sudan have engaged in genocide against the Christian and indigenous Africans in the Sudan and other parts of Africa.Despite Islam's claim that it was a black (Bilal) who first called the faithful to prayer,I have reports from many ex-pats who worked in Saudi Arabia,the UAE,and other middle eastern counties that Arab moslems really discriminate against the African moslems. Are there tipsters who can share some light of Arab Moslem-Dark African moslem race relations? It is true that Malcolm X had a conversion when he hajjed to Mecca but I suspect this was more ceremonial. I am content to remain an infidel. ( To be continued) Michael "omnicentric" Sylvester,PhD Daytona Beach,Florida --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=4749 or send a blank email to leave-4749-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
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ry important to them. Even nominally-secular Turkey has a somewhat higher percentage (65%) than the USA (59%), which is much higher than other developed countries (e.g., Canada at 30%, France at 11%). Is it safe to assume that a similar evolution will occur in other religions; that is, that religious passions will become less intense and less influential in people's lives? In tracking down some of these sites, I came across a recent Pew survey on religion in Africa at: http://pewforum.org/executive-summary-islam-and-christianity-in-sub-saharan-africa.aspx It has an updated table on importance of religion to peoples around the world, and is largely consistent with earlier survey. Africa as a whole is a highly religious continent (e.g., 72% of Christians and 92% of Muslims pray once a day). Africa is a balance of Muslim (primarily in North) and Christian adherents, and they asked some interesting questions relevant here. Christians more often saw Muslims as violent than reverse. 60% of Christians endorsed law based on Bible and 63% of Muslims favored Sharia law. 19% of Christians and 29% of Muslims state that violence against civilians is often or sometimes justified in defense of religion. On most questions, there was much variability across countries in responses. All in all I do think that it would be a cop-out for psychologists to characterize what is happening around the world in overly simplistic terms like prejudice or islamaphobia, not that these have no rôle to play in matters. If we just think in our own nations, perhaps especially the USA, how difficult it has been to resolve conflicts that implicate deeply held values and beliefs (e.g., abortion), we might better appreciate the complexity of what is happening as Islam spreads to largely secular nations due to immigration to developed countries, or comes face-to-face with other religions, as in parts of Africa. Take care Jim (sent with some trepidation!) James M. Clark Professor of Psychology 204-786-9757 204-774-4134 Fax j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca >>> "Helweg-Larsen, Marie" 11-Sep-10 3:31:49 AM >>> It seems that there are lots of lessons/topics for a psychologist to discuss in class with respect to the current 'islamaphobia'. Of course such a discussion could be structured around social psychological work on prejudice and discrimination but also emotions in general. This author suggests that fear and not prejudice is the cause of opposition to the Not-at-Ground-Zero Mosque. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/05/opinion/05kristof.html?src=me&ref=general Marie Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Psychology Danish Institute for Study Abroad (DIS), +45 2065 1360 Dickinson College (on leave 2010/2011) http://users.dickinson.edu/~helwegm/index.html -Original Message- From: Mike Palij [mailto:m...@nyu.edu] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 15:08 To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Cc: Mike Palij Subject: [tips] They Too Died That Day An article in the NY Times focuses on one family that deals with their grief over the loss of a father and husband in the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center. How they have dealth with the attack and the aftermath should give us and, if we share with our students, pause. See: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/10/nyregion/10muslim.html?_r=1&th=&emc=th&pagewanted=all The fact that the family is Muslim would be incidental except for the recent madness manifesting itself in U.S. religious and political circles. I wonder what critical thinking lessons psychologists will teach about this madness? -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: helw...@dickinson.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a4468797f&n=T&l=tips&o=4705 or send a blank email to leave-4705-13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a44687...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: j.cl...@uwinnipeg.ca. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a891720c9&n=T&l=tips&o=4731 or send a blank email to leave-4731-13251.645f86b5cec4da0a56ffea7a89172...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=4748 or send a blank email to leave-4748-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
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My take on Islamaphobia.First of all the portrayal of the prophet as a terrorist as appeared in a Danish cartoon was in very bad taste,besides getting some image of the prophet is never allowed in Islam.Personally,I think that U.S society is very tolerant because we are a nation of laws and not of people.We should also distinguish between prejudice and discrimination.Prejudice is more or less a mind thang,whereas discrimination is action oriented.We have come a long way in eliminating discrimination but that should not lead to the conclusion that we have eliminated prejudicial mindset.One can still not discriimitate and still be prejudiced.Some people may still assume that the U.S society is "white" and "Christian" but these notions are gradually fading as the society becomes less white and more diverse.but it is the enforcement of our constitutional laws that unite all of us.I am not too sure of the "accepting diversity" paradigm based on my Tips experience. There was a similar paradigm of xenophobia that existed in Britain.Back in the 1950s there were race riots in Nottinghill .England againt black immigrants from the Caribbean.I think the white kids were called the teddy boys. Then prejudice turned against the Asians especially the Pakistanis.It was my understanding that the prejudice against the Pakistanis in Britain emanated because of the culinary patterns,religious practices,and language patterns.Although some British landlords would not rent flats to both Caribbean blacks amd Pakistanis,there was a tendency to prefer having the Caribbean blacks because of an assumed similariy to Britishers,such as being good cricketers (at that time the West Indies was numero uno,but not anymore),spoke English,and no spicy cuisine flavor throughout the flat,and being Anglican.I suspect that whatever Islamaphobia that exist may have more to do with factors other than religion.So to the Moslem community let me ask this question: Are you ready for some football? (To be continued). Michael "omnicentric" Sylvester,PhD Daytona Beach,Florida --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=4735 or send a blank email to leave-4735-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
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Perhaps psychologists should say that a lasting emotional reaction to serious tradgedy isn't madness nor islamophobia, and that the tough "SHOULD be open minded" Americans need to be treated with care and respect also. Perhaps, as some have suggested, it's too soon, and/or the location should be other than particularly close to ground zero. --Mike On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 9:41 AM, Paul Brandon wrote: > > > And of course there have been protests of mosques in cities far from New > York. > And it's hard to see how a Pastor in rural Florida could be afraid of an > Islamic center in NYC. > Paul Brandon > Emeritus Professor of Psychology > Minnesota State University, Mankato > paul.bran...@mnsu.edu > On Sep 11, 2010, at 7:11 AM, Beth Benoit wrote: > > > Which, of course, would be neither at Ground Zero nor is it a mosque. But > the loudest protesters seem to have overlooked that. Go figure... > Beth Benoit > Granite State College > Plymouth State University > New Hampshire > > On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 4:31 AM, Helweg-Larsen, Marie > wrote: >> >> It seems that there are lots of lessons/topics for a psychologist to >> discuss in class with respect to the current 'islamaphobia'. Of course such >> a discussion could be structured around social psychological work on >> prejudice and discrimination but also emotions in general. This author >> suggests that fear and not prejudice is the cause of opposition to the >> Not-at-Ground-Zero Mosque. >> >> http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/05/opinion/05kristof.html?src=me&ref=general > > --- > > You are currently subscribed to tips as: tipsl...@gmail.com. > > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13541.42a7e8017ab9578358f118300f4720fb&n=T&l=tips&o=4733 > > (It may be necessary to cut and paste the above URL if the line is broken) > > or send a blank email to > leave-4733-13541.42a7e8017ab9578358f118300f472...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=4734 or send a blank email to leave-4734-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
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And of course there have been protests of mosques in cities far from New York. And it's hard to see how a Pastor in rural Florida could be afraid of an Islamic center in NYC. Paul Brandon Emeritus Professor of Psychology Minnesota State University, Mankato paul.bran...@mnsu.edu On Sep 11, 2010, at 7:11 AM, Beth Benoit wrote: > > Which, of course, would be neither at Ground Zero nor is it a mosque. But > the loudest protesters seem to have overlooked that. Go figure... > > Beth Benoit > Granite State College > Plymouth State University > New Hampshire > > On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 4:31 AM, Helweg-Larsen, Marie > wrote: > It seems that there are lots of lessons/topics for a psychologist to discuss > in class with respect to the current 'islamaphobia'. Of course such a > discussion could be structured around social psychological work on prejudice > and discrimination but also emotions in general. This author suggests that > fear and not prejudice is the cause of opposition to the Not-at-Ground-Zero > Mosque. > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/05/opinion/05kristof.html?src=me&ref=general --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=4733 or send a blank email to leave-4733-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
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Which, of course, would be neither at Ground Zero nor is it a mosque. But the loudest protesters seem to have overlooked that. Go figure... Beth Benoit Granite State College Plymouth State University New Hampshire On Sat, Sep 11, 2010 at 4:31 AM, Helweg-Larsen, Marie wrote: > It seems that there are lots of lessons/topics for a psychologist to > discuss in class with respect to the current 'islamaphobia'. Of course such > a discussion could be structured around social psychological work on > prejudice and discrimination but also emotions in general. This author > suggests that fear and not prejudice is the cause of opposition to the > Not-at-Ground-Zero Mosque. > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/05/opinion/05kristof.html?src=me&ref=general > Marie > > > Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D. > Associate Professor of Psychology > Danish Institute for Study Abroad (DIS), +45 2065 1360 > Dickinson College (on leave 2010/2011) > http://users.dickinson.edu/~helwegm/index.html > > > > -Original Message- > From: Mike Palij [mailto:m...@nyu.edu] > Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 15:08 > To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) > Cc: Mike Palij > Subject: [tips] They Too Died That Day > > An article in the NY Times focuses on one family that deals with > their grief over the loss of a father and husband in the 9/11 attack > on the World Trade Center. How they have dealth with the attack > and the aftermath should give us and, if we share with our students, > pause. See: > > http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/10/nyregion/10muslim.html?_r=1&th=&emc=th&pagewanted=all > > The fact that the family is Muslim would be incidental except for > the recent madness manifesting itself in U.S. religious and political > circles. I wonder what critical thinking lessons psychologists will > teach about this madness? > > -Mike Palij > New York University > m...@nyu.edu > > > > > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: helw...@dickinson.edu. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a4468797f&n=T&l=tips&o=4705 > or send a blank email to > leave-4705-13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a44687...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > > --- > You are currently subscribed to tips as: beth.ben...@gmail.com. > To unsubscribe click here: > http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13105.b9b37cdd198e940b73969ea6ba7aaf72&n=T&l=tips&o=4731 > or send a blank email to > leave-4731-13105.b9b37cdd198e940b73969ea6ba7aa...@fsulist.frostburg.edu > --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=4732 or send a blank email to leave-4732-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
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It seems that there are lots of lessons/topics for a psychologist to discuss in class with respect to the current 'islamaphobia'. Of course such a discussion could be structured around social psychological work on prejudice and discrimination but also emotions in general. This author suggests that fear and not prejudice is the cause of opposition to the Not-at-Ground-Zero Mosque. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/05/opinion/05kristof.html?src=me&ref=general Marie Marie Helweg-Larsen, Ph.D. Associate Professor of Psychology Danish Institute for Study Abroad (DIS), +45 2065 1360 Dickinson College (on leave 2010/2011) http://users.dickinson.edu/~helwegm/index.html -Original Message- From: Mike Palij [mailto:m...@nyu.edu] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2010 15:08 To: Teaching in the Psychological Sciences (TIPS) Cc: Mike Palij Subject: [tips] They Too Died That Day An article in the NY Times focuses on one family that deals with their grief over the loss of a father and husband in the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center. How they have dealth with the attack and the aftermath should give us and, if we share with our students, pause. See: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/10/nyregion/10muslim.html?_r=1&th=&emc=th&pagewanted=all The fact that the family is Muslim would be incidental except for the recent madness manifesting itself in U.S. religious and political circles. I wonder what critical thinking lessons psychologists will teach about this madness? -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: helw...@dickinson.edu. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a4468797f&n=T&l=tips&o=4705 or send a blank email to leave-4705-13234.b0e864a6eccfc779c8119f5a44687...@fsulist.frostburg.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=4731 or send a blank email to leave-4731-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
[tips] They Too Died That Day
An article in the NY Times focuses on one family that deals with their grief over the loss of a father and husband in the 9/11 attack on the World Trade Center. How they have dealth with the attack and the aftermath should give us and, if we share with our students, pause. See: http://www.nytimes.com/2010/09/10/nyregion/10muslim.html?_r=1&th=&emc=th&pagewanted=all The fact that the family is Muslim would be incidental except for the recent madness manifesting itself in U.S. religious and political circles. I wonder what critical thinking lessons psychologists will teach about this madness? -Mike Palij New York University m...@nyu.edu --- You are currently subscribed to tips as: arch...@jab.org. To unsubscribe click here: http://fsulist.frostburg.edu/u?id=13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df5d5&n=T&l=tips&o=4705 or send a blank email to leave-4705-13090.68da6e6e5325aa33287ff385b70df...@fsulist.frostburg.edu
