Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!

[balmatmic]

Rob, I can relate totally to what you said about exercise, pain and overdoing 
it.  How do we find a happy medium, keep it up, and keep our bodies happy with 
the level and intensity?  Yeah right!

Moderation, sure!  But, as I am doing the exercise most of the time I feel 
great and don't feel that I am overdoing it at all.  I also have a very poor 
habit of giving up on it from time to time due to pain issues and thinking it 
may be better not to exercise which I've found is also a bad idea.  The worse 
thing I can do is to stop making it a part of my routine, it's too easy to let 
it go and not get it done.  Once I do that, I'm done.  I cannot find a happy 
medium for my body. 

I was in the pool the other night with my grandsons and didn't realize how much 
time had passed.  That night I couldn't sleep due to the pain and spasms, and 
the next two days were pretty bad.  I was actually worse than I'd been in a 
long time.  After 10 yrs you'd think the mind/body connection would be made but 
it hasn't in my case.  My mind forgets to engage and think about my limits. 

Hugs to all,
Barbara A


-Original Message-
From: Janice jan...@centurytel.net
To: Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com; Tmic-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2009 8:49 pm
Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!



Robert,

I did water aerobics for about 5 years before TM hit.   I started it because of 
arthritis in my20back.  Exercise done in water should

not make you sore unless you are over doing it.   You really need to think hard 
about moderation when you first begin and add

more slowly.    Sure hope it helps you.   I would give my eye teeth to get back 
in the water, but am not ready yet.   Someday soon

I hope.    Good luck.


- Original Message -

From: Robert Pall

To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com

Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:26 AM

Subject: [TMIC] Every now and then!




    I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements that 
seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually provides 
legitimacy to the discussion. Stop being so quick to argue and remember the 
purpose of the list. No one needs to take sides….if what is written does not 
apply or offers words you do not care for…just delete it!

    Do you ever think of how a new visitor to the site reacts to 
bickering….my guess is it turns them off…and that is a tragedy! If one member 
has a problem with what someone else says. why not try to just contact that 
person directly and not to the group as a whole. Remember we are all in this 
together and inevitably when these things occur the next thing that happens is 
we see the word unsubscribe. When one is in 24/7 pain and discomfort it is 
easy to pick a fight or disagreement…anyth
ing at all to avoid what is really the problem. TM

New topic: Exercise

    Exercise….when is enough enough?

    I tend to exercise in spurts….I am either following a regular routine 
or giving into my pain and discomfort and doing nothing at all!  I am not very 
good at knowing when I am overdoing it and therefore make the same mistakes 
over and over. After pretty much doing nothing for the past 6 months I am now 
back to swimming 3-4 times per week and I have never felt worse. My legs feel 
weighed down and I am walking far worse than normal. The level of discomfort 
and Pain are also off my charts. So what do I do….probably stop exercising and 
see if my legs feel better….that being said we have had horribly huimid,wet 
weather in the New York area the entire month of June…so I am not certain if 
the over exercising or the weather is making the TM flare up. Even after 12 
years I have not really learned to listen to my body….part of this is due to 
the fact that I am not in discomfort while exercising….but hours later it is as 
if my body is just realizing I over did it and I have to pay the price.

    My main exercise is swimming (and a little treadmill)….for the first 10 
years of TM I had far fewer breaks from the exercise routine …and then all of a 
sudden when I hit 60 I kinda gave up and threw in the to
wel….I kinda just quit. I felt hopeless and helpless…therefore I just started 
back on my routine…and so far the pain far outweighs the gain.

    I will attempt to introduce moderation to my exercise and try to 
remember I am closing in on 62 so I would guess non related TM problems are 
beginning to surface such as arthritis. I still have a lot on my plate…I drive 
80 miles a day to work and sometimes I am just so exhausted that the thought of 
a workout is something I cannot handle. That being said I do find that when I 
let myself get out of shape and gain addl. Weight I always feel worse…and I can 
assure you that this is not a vanity issue.

    I would appreciate hearing from the group as to what exercises works 
for them…how do you know when you are over doing it? I am seeing Dr. Kerr on 
Weds and will pose the question to him…I have a feeling he will stress 

Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!

[Janice]

 Barbara,  as I told Rob, we can, can, can learn new tricks.With our 
bodies, we have to.   I hated to read that you suffered
for 3 days after swimming - how awful for you.I can  and have done the 
same thing doing things around the house - so I
know what you feel when you just don't want to stop.  BUT, again, with our 
bodies, we have to.   I hope you never
have that kind of pain for that long a time ever again!!   Janice

  - Original Message - 
  From: balmat...@aol.com 
  To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:23 AM
  Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!


  Rob, I can relate totally to what you said about exercise, pain and overdoing 
it.  How do we find a happy medium, keep it up, and keep our bodies happy with 
the level and intensity?  Yeah right!

  Moderation, sure!  But, as I am doing the exercise most of the time I feel 
great and don't feel that I am overdoing it at all.  I also have a very poor 
habit of giving up on it from time to time due to pain issues and thinking it 
may be better not to exercise which I've found is also a bad idea.  The worse 
thing I can do is to stop making it a part of my routine, it's too easy to let 
it go and not get it done.  Once I do that, I'm done.  I cannot find a happy 
medium for my body.  

  I was in the pool the other night with my grandsons and didn't realize how 
much time had passed.  That night I couldn't sleep due to the pain and spasms, 
and the next two days were pretty bad.  I was actually worse than I'd been in a 
long time.  After 10 yrs you'd think the mind/body connection would be made but 
it hasn't in my case.  My mind forgets to engage and think about my limits.  

  Hugs to all,
  Barbara A


  -Original Message-
  From: Janice jan...@centurytel.net
  To: Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com; Tmic-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2009 8:49 pm
  Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!

  0A 
  Robert,
  I did water aerobics for about 5 years before TM hit.   I started it because 
of arthritis in my back.  Exercise done in water should
  not make you sore unless you are over doing it.   You really need to think 
hard about moderation when you first begin and add
  more slowly.Sure hope it helps you.   I would give my eye teeth to get 
back in the water, but am not ready yet.   Someday soon
  I hope.Good luck.
- Original Message - 
From: Robert Pall 
To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:26 AM
Subject: [TMIC] Every now and then!


I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements that 
seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually provides 
legitimacy to the di scussion. Stop being so quick to argue and remember the 
purpose of the list. No one needs to take sides….if what is written does not 
apply or offers words you do not care for…just delete it!
Do you ever think of how a new visitor to the site reacts to 
bickering….my guess is it turns them off…and that is a tragedy! If one member 
has a problem with what someone else says. why not try to just contact that 
person directly and not to the group as a whole. Remember we are all in this 
together and inevitably when these things occur the next thing that happens is 
we see the word unsubscribe. When one is in 24/7 pain and discomfort it is 
easy to pick a fight or disagreement…anything at all to avoid what is really 
the problem. TM
New topic: Exercise 
Exercise….when is enough enough? 
I tend to exercise in spurts….I am either following a regular 
routine or giving into my pain and discomfort and doing nothing at all!  I am 
not very good at knowing when I am overdoing it and therefore make the same 
mistakes over and over. After pretty much doing nothing for the past 6 months I 
am now back to swimming 3-4 times per week and I have never felt worse. My legs 
feel w eighed down and I am walking far worse than normal. The level of 
discomfort and Pain are also off my charts. So what do I do….probably stop 
exercising and see if my legs feel better….that being said we have had horribly 
huimid,wet weather in the New York area the entire month of June…so I am not 
certain if the over exercising or the weather is making the TM flare up. Even 
after 12 years I have not really learned to listen to my body….part of this is 
due to the fact that I am not in discomfort while exercising….but hours later 
it is as if my body is just realizing I over did it and I have to pay the price.
My main exercise is swimming (and a little treadmill)….for the 
first 10 years of TM I had far fewer breaks from the exercise routine …and then 
all of a sudden when I hit 60 I kinda gave up and threw in the towel….I kinda 
just quit. I felt hopeless and helpless…therefore I just started back on my 
routine…and so far the pain far outweighs the gain.
I will attempt to introduce 

Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!

[LadyOwl1961]

I am a constant over doer. My theory is that when I feel good get it all done 
and then pay for it as I can never predict when I will feel well enough again 
to get to it.  It never crosses my mind that if I go slow today on a good day 
that it may last into tomorrow. Nope, not me.  After 21 years (as of this past 
Feb) of TM, I still have not stopped it and continue to do it.  My husband 
knows this and reminds me of it all the time. Even my doctors have told me to 
stop it but I just can’t. My doctor has learned not to tell me to NOT do things 
as he knows I will just go ahead and do specifically what he told me not to. 
Ever the actress I would attend things I should not have and then paid for it 
for days.  I must say though that during this occurrence things are very 
different. I have some new symptoms that seem to knock me off my feet, 
literally (burning pain in feet) and arms get very tired, very fast (typing, 
making tea or coffee, brushing teeth, showering, and even holding the phone 
receiver).  I am hoping that this will lessen with time and that they are not 
going to become the norm for me. Today is the first day that I am getting back 
on my normal medication regime after a month of upping and lowering my dosages 
and I made it till 10:30 am with taking a pain killer so I would have to say 
this is a good day. 

Have a GOOD day all

Kathy

  - Original Message - 
  From: Janice 
  To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com ; balmat...@aol.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:42 AM
  Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!


   Barbara,  as I told Rob, we can, can, can learn new tricks.With our 
bodies, we have to.   I hated to read that you suffered
  for 3 days after swimming - how awful for you.I can  and have done 
the same thing doing things around the house - so I
  know what you feel when you just don't want to stop.  BUT, again, with 
our bodies, we have to.   I hope you never
  have that kind of pain for that long a time ever again!!   Janice

- Original Message - 
From: balmat...@aol.com 
To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:23 AM
Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!


Rob, I can relate totally to what you said about exercise, pain and 
overdoing it.  How do we find a happy medium, keep it up, and keep our bodies 
happy with the level and intensity?  Yeah right!

Moderation, sure!  But, as I am doing the exercise most of the time I feel 
great and don't feel that I am overdoing it at all.  I also have a very poor 
habit of giving up on it from time to time due to pain issues and thinking it 
may be better not to exercise which I've found is also a bad idea.  The worse 
thing I can do is to stop making it a part of my routine, it's too easy to let 
it go and not get it done.  Once I do that, I'm done.  I cannot find a happy 
medium for my body.  

I was in the pool the other night with my grandsons and didn't realize how 
much time had passed.  That night I couldn't sleep due to the pain and spasms, 
and the next two days were pretty bad.  I was actually worse than I'd been in a 
long time.  After 10 yrs you'd think the mind/body connection would be made but 
it hasn't in my case.  My mind forgets to engage and think about my limits.  

Hugs to all,
Barbara A


-Original Message-
From: Janice jan...@centurytel.net
To: Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com; Tmic-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2009 8:49 pm
Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!

0A 
Robert,
I did water aerobics for about 5 years before TM hit.   I started it 
because of arthritis in my back.  Exercise done in water should
not make you sore unless you are over doing it.   You really need to think 
hard about moderation when you first begin and add
more slowly.Sure hope it helps you.   I would give my eye teeth to get 
back in the water, but am not ready yet.   Someday soon
I hope.Good luck.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Robert Pall 
  To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:26 AM
  Subject: [TMIC] Every now and then!


  I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements 
that seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually provides 
legitimacy to the di scussion. Stop being so quick to argue and remember the 
purpose of the list. No one needs to take sides….if what is written does not 
apply or offers words you do not care for…just delete it!
  Do you ever think of how a new visitor to the site reacts to 
bickering….my guess is it turns them off…and that is a tragedy! If one member 
has a problem with what someone else says. why not try to just contact that 
person directly and not to the group as a whole. Remember we are all in this 
together and inevitably when these things occur the next thing that happens is 
we see the word unsubscribe. When one is in 

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Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!

[Trudy Ogilvie]

RobThat is the question of the day!!  I just wish somehow we would be able
to tell when too much is too much..  It's been seven years of stop and go
exercise. And who can really tell us that answer..   Yes, if my body would
give me some indication that I should slow it down NO, NO
and we pay for days and then stop exercise. Rob I am 63 years young. I
believe that exercise is a key to staying healthy... BUT I am s
frustrated. I work out on the machines at the gym then a swim... that was
NOT good.  So choose my poison... swim or gym???  I've been doing some
travelling lately and I am home after a week back on Long Island. Took me 7
hours to drive up... did I tell you Rob (no offense) but I HATE
the ^^%#**## New Jersey Turnpike  almost as much as I hate the %%$#@
Belt Pkwy...  It was a fantastic trip... and of course you have to party at
least one or two nights. I worked my way from Islip, L.I. then to Mineola,
then to Forest Hills, then to the BIG APPLE.  Then drove home to Va.
early Sat. morning only to hit horrendous traffic on a bridge just outside
the Holland Tunnel.  I know this is too much info for everyone but your
stuck with me and I want to share my blessings and my curses with this
group!!  I have taken 1 and 1/2 Vicodin every day since I've been home. I'm
getting ready for my trip next week to Phoenix for my son's graduation. BUT
 my husband, my hero, will be with me and will take good care of me as will
my four adult children. And we will be in one place all week. Chris will be
a Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine... it's been a very long journey for him
but he has accomplished his dream.  O.K I will put you all out of your
misery with this t long e-mail.   take care!
Blessings
Trudy
Find the thing that stirs your heart
and make room for it.  Joan Chittister

On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com wrote:

  I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements
 that seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually provides
 legitimacy to the discussion. Stop being so quick to argue and remember the
 purpose of the list. No one needs to take sides….if what is written does not
 apply or offers words you do not care for…just delete it!

 Do you ever think of how a new visitor to the site reacts to
 bickering….my guess is it turns them off…and that is a tragedy! If one
 member has a problem with what someone else says. why not try to just
 contact that person directly and not to the group as a whole. Remember we
 are all in this together and inevitably when these things occur the next
 thing that happens is we see the word unsubscribe. When one is in 24/7
 pain and discomfort it is easy to pick a fight or disagreement…anything at
 all to avoid what is really the problem. TM

 New topic: Exercise

 Exercise….when is enough enough?

 I tend to exercise in spurts….I am either following a regular
 routine or giving into my pain and discomfort and doing nothing at all!  I
 am not very good at knowing when I am overdoing it and therefore make the
 same mistakes over and over. After pretty much doing nothing for the past 6
 months I am now back to swimming 3-4 times per week and I have never felt
 worse. My legs feel weighed down and I am walking far worse than normal. The
 level of discomfort and Pain are also off my charts. So what do I
 do….probably stop exercising and see if my legs feel better….that being said
 we have had horribly huimid,wet weather in the New York area the entire
 month of June…so I am not certain if the over exercising or the weather is
 making the TM flare up. Even after 12 years I have not really learned to
 listen to my body….part of this is due to the fact that I am not in
 discomfort while exercising….but hours later it is as if my body is just
 realizing I over did it and I have to pay the price.

 My main exercise is swimming (and a little treadmill)….for the
 first 10 years of TM I had far fewer breaks from the exercise routine …and
 then all of a sudden when I hit 60 I kinda gave up and threw in the towel….I
 kinda just quit. I felt hopeless and helpless…therefore I just started back
 on my routine…and so far the pain far outweighs the gain.

 I will attempt to introduce moderation to my exercise and try to
 remember I am closing in on 62 so I would guess non related TM problems are
 beginning to surface such as arthritis. I still have a lot on my plate…I
 drive 80 miles a day to work and sometimes I am just so exhausted that the
 thought of a workout is something I cannot handle. That being said I do find
 that when I let myself get out of shape and gain addl. Weight I always feel
 worse…and I can assure you that this is not a vanity issue.

 I would appreciate hearing from the group as to what exercises
 works for them…how do you know when you are over doing it? I am seeing Dr.
 Kerr on Weds and will pose the question to him…I have a feeling 

Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!

[Todd Tarno]

Chris will be a Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine...
 
So, does this mean that you have your own private doctor now? LOL
I bet Chris is glad to be done. lol  Congratulation!!!
Todd in CC, TX

--- On Tue, 6/30/09, Trudy Ogilvie mother...@gmail.com wrote:


From: Trudy Ogilvie mother...@gmail.com
Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!
To: Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com
Cc: Tmic-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 2:19 PM


Rob 
That is the question of the day!!  I just wish somehow we would be able to tell 
when too much is too much..  It's been seven years of stop and go exercise. And 
who can really tell us that answer..   Yes, if my body would give me some 
indication that I should slow it down NO, NO
and we pay for days and then stop exercise. Rob I am 63 years young. I believe 
that exercise is a key to staying healthy... BUT I am s
frustrated. I work out on the machines at the gym then a swim... that was NOT 
good.  So choose my poison... swim or gym???  I've been doing some travelling 
lately and I am home after a week back on Long Island. Took me 7 hours to drive 
up... did I tell you Rob (no offense) but I HATE
the ^^%#**## New Jersey Turnpike  almost as much as I hate the %%$#@ Belt 
Pkwy...  It was a fantastic trip... and of course you have to party at least 
one or two nights. I worked my way from Islip, L.I. then to Mineola, then to 
Forest Hills, then to the BIG APPLE.  Then drove home to Va.
early Sat. morning only to hit horrendous traffic on a bridge just outside the 
Holland Tunnel.  I know this is too much info for everyone but your stuck with 
me and I want to share my blessings and my curses with this group!!  I have 
taken 1 and 1/2 Vicodin every day since I've been home. I'm getting ready for 
my trip next week to Phoenix for my son's graduation. BUT  my husband, my hero, 
will be with me and will take good care of me as will my four adult children. 
And we will be in one place all week. Chris will be a Doctor of Naturopathic 
Medicine... it's been a very long journey for him but he has accomplished his 
dream.  O.K I will put you all out of your misery with this t long 
e-mail.   take care!
Blessings
Trudy
Find the thing that stirs your heart
and make room for it.  Joan Chittister


On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com wrote:



    I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements that 
seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually provides 
legitimacy to the discussion. Stop being so quick to argue and remember the 
purpose of the list. No one needs to take sides….if what is written does not 
apply or offers words you do not care for…just delete it!
    Do you ever think of how a new visitor to the site reacts to 
bickering….my guess is it turns them off…and that is a tragedy! If one member 
has a problem with what someone else says. why not try to just contact that 
person directly and not to the group as a whole. Remember we are all in this 
together and inevitably when these things occur the next thing that happens is 
we see the word unsubscribe. When one is in 24/7 pain and discomfort it is 
easy to pick a fight or disagreement…anything at all to avoid what is really 
the problem. TM
New topic: Exercise 
    Exercise….when is enough enough? 
    I tend to exercise in spurts….I am either following a regular routine 
or giving into my pain and discomfort and doing nothing at all!  I am not very 
good at knowing when I am overdoing it and therefore make the same mistakes 
over and over. After pretty much doing nothing for the past 6 months I am now 
back to swimming 3-4 times per week and I have never felt worse. My legs feel 
weighed down and I am walking far worse than normal. The level of discomfort 
and Pain are also off my charts. So what do I do….probably stop exercising and 
see if my legs feel better….that being said we have had horribly huimid,wet 
weather in the New York area the entire month of June…so I am not certain if 
the over exercising or the weather is making the TM flare up. Even after 12 
years I have not really learned to listen to my body….part of this is due to 
the fact that I am not in discomfort while exercising….but hours later it is as 
if my body is
 just realizing I over did it and I have to pay the price.
    My main exercise is swimming (and a little treadmill)….for the first 10 
years of TM I had far fewer breaks from the exercise routine …and then all of a 
sudden when I hit 60 I kinda gave up and threw in the towel….I kinda just quit. 
I felt hopeless and helpless…therefore I just started back on my routine…and so 
far the pain far outweighs the gain.
    I will attempt to introduce moderation to my exercise and try to 
remember I am closing in on 62 so I would guess non related TM problems are 
beginning to surface such as arthritis. I still have a lot on my plate…I drive 
80 miles a day to work and sometimes I am just so 

Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!

[Akua]

I am a constant over doer. My theory is that when I feel good get it 
all done and then pay for it as I can never predict when I will feel 
well enough again to get to it.


For me, too--- because I am paralyzed--- good days -- are precious 
and get stuffed. I am up til 3 or 4 or 5 am and if the next day is 
good, I'll be up at 10 if not  it's noon


--

Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!

[Todd Tarno]

Hey Rob,
Remember that you're working too.  
Include the time you're at work walking, standing,  etc...  
I do PT twice a week with a trainer at home and now able to stand long enough 
to take the dishes from the sink to fill the dishwasher.  I still can't carry 
dishes into the kitchen, but now at least I can help fill the dishwasher. lol
I have found that sometime I need a new PT for new exercises  and new ideals. 
Keep up the exercises,
Todd in CC, TX


--- On Mon, 6/29/09, Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com wrote:


From: Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com
Subject: [TMIC] Every now and then!
To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 8:26 AM



    I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements that 
seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually provides 
legitimacy to the discussion. Stop being so quick to argue and remember the 
purpose of the list. No one needs to take sides….if what is written does not 
apply or offers words you do not care for…just delete it!
    Do you ever think of how a new visitor to the site reacts to 
bickering….my guess is it turns them off…and that is a tragedy! If one member 
has a problem with what someone else says. why not try to just contact that 
person directly and not to the group as a whole. Remember we are all in this 
together and inevitably when these things occur the next thing that happens is 
we see the word unsubscribe. When one is in 24/7 pain and discomfort it is 
easy to pick a fight or disagreement…anything at all to avoid what is really 
the problem. TM
New topic: Exercise 
    Exercise….when is enough enough? 
    I tend to exercise in spurts….I am either following a regular routine 
or giving into my pain and discomfort and doing nothing at all!  I am not very 
good at knowing when I am overdoing it and therefore make the same mistakes 
over and over. After pretty much doing nothing for the past 6 months I am now 
back to swimming 3-4 times per week and I have never felt worse. My legs feel 
weighed down and I am walking far worse than normal. The level of discomfort 
and Pain are also off my charts. So what do I do….probably stop exercising and 
see if my legs feel better….that being said we have had horribly huimid,wet 
weather in the New York area the entire month of June…so I am not certain if 
the over exercising or the weather is making the TM flare up. Even after 12 
years I have not really learned to listen to my body….part of this is due to 
the fact that I am not in discomfort while exercising….but hours later it is as 
if my body is
 just realizing I over did it and I have to pay the price.
    My main exercise is swimming (and a little treadmill)….for the first 10 
years of TM I had far fewer breaks from the exercise routine …and then all of a 
sudden when I hit 60 I kinda gave up and threw in the towel….I kinda just quit. 
I felt hopeless and helpless…therefore I just started back on my routine…and so 
far the pain far outweighs the gain.
    I will attempt to introduce moderation to my exercise and try to 
remember I am closing in on 62 so I would guess non related TM problems are 
beginning to surface such as arthritis. I still have a lot on my plate…I drive 
80 miles a day to work and sometimes I am just so exhausted that the thought of 
a workout is something I cannot handle. That being said I do find that when I 
let myself get out of shape and gain addl. Weight I always feel worse…and I can 
assure you that this is not a vanity issue. 
    I would appreciate hearing from the group as to what exercises works 
for them…how do you know when you are over doing it? I am seeing Dr. Kerr on 
Weds and will pose the question to him…I have a feeling he will stress 
moderation and developing a routine that will keep my muscles from atrophying 
while a t the same time not exhausting me to the point of pain.
    OK…enough for now…let's get back on topic! 
Rob in New Jersey 

Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!

[Akua]

the ^^%#**## New Jersey Turnpike almost as much as I hate the 
%%$#@ Belt Pkwy... It was a fantastic trip... and of course you have 
to party at least one or two nights. I worked my way from Islip, 
L.I. then to Mineola, then to Forest Hills, then to the BIG APPLE.


My old hometown. I was born in Manhattan grew up in the South Bronx and Queens.


Chris will be a Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine...


HIP HIP HOORAAAY! Hopefully you will get him to work on us!
I've been a nonmeat
eater for 36 years now and am always looking for new tips! CONGRATULATIONS!
Akua


--

Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!

[Linda Egli]

I have found a program called Sit  Be Fit on public television that has 
really helped me to exercise longer than 15 minutes ( if I am standing).  This 
program lasts about 25 minutes  since I am sitting, I can go that long.  The 
program has a web site where you can check for any programs in your area.  They 
also offer DVDs of the programs for sale.
Linda E. (Deep East Texas)





From: Todd Tarno toddtm2...@sbcglobal.net
To: Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com
Cc: Tmic-list@eskimo.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 3:34:11 PM
Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!


Hey Rob,
Remember that you're working too.  
Include the time you're at work walking, standing,  etc...  
I do PT twice a week with a trainer at home and now able to stand long enough 
to take the dishes from the sink to fill the dishwasher.  I still can't carry 
dishes into the kitchen, but now at least I can help fill the dishwasher. lol
I have found that sometime I need a new PT for new exercises  and new ideals. 
Keep up the exercises,
Todd in CC, TX


--- On Mon, 6/29/09, Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com wrote:


From: Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com
Subject: [TMIC] Every now and then!
To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com
Date: Monday, June 29, 2009, 8:26 AM


    I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements that 
seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually provides 
legitimacy to the discussion. Stop being so quick to argue and remember the 
purpose of the list. No one needs to take sides….if what is written does not 
apply or offers words you do not care for…just delete it!
    Do you ever think of how a new visitor to the site reacts to 
bickering….my guess is it turns them off…and that is a tragedy! If one member 
has a problem with what someone else says. why not try to just contact that 
person directly and not to the group as a whole. Remember we are all in this 
together and inevitably when these things occur the next thing that happens is 
we see the word unsubscribe. When one is in 24/7 pain and discomfort it is 
easy to pick a fight or disagreement…anything at all to avoid what is really 
the problem. TM
New topic: Exercise 
    Exercise….when is enough enough? 
    I tend to exercise in spurts….I am either following a regular routine 
or giving into my pain and discomfort and doing nothing at all!  I am not very 
good at knowing when I am overdoing it and therefore make the same mistakes 
over and over. After pretty much doing nothing for the past 6 months I am now 
back to swimming 3-4 times per week and I have never felt worse. My legs feel 
weighed down and I am walking far worse than normal. The level of discomfort 
and Pain are also off my charts. So what do I do….probably stop exercising and 
see if my legs feel better….that being said we have had horribly huimid,wet 
weather in the New York area the entire month of June…so I am not certain if 
the over exercising or the weather is making the TM flare up. Even after 12 
years I have not really learned to listen to my body….part of this is due to 
the fact that I am not in discomfort while exercising….but hours later it is as 
if my body is
 just realizing I over did it and I have to pay the price.
    My main exercise is swimming (and a little treadmill)….for the first 10 
years of TM I had far fewer breaks from the exercise routine …and then all of a 
sudden when I hit 60 I kinda gave up and threw in the towel….I kinda just quit. 
I felt hopeless and helpless…therefore I just started back on my routine…and so 
far the pain far outweighs the gain.
    I will attempt to introduce moderation to my exercise and try to 
remember I am closing in on 62 so I would guess non related TM problems are 
beginning to surface such as arthritis. I still have a lot on my plate…I drive 
80 miles a day to work and sometimes I am just so exhausted that the thought of 
a workout is something I cannot handle. That being said I do find that when I 
let myself get out of shape and gain addl. Weight I always feel worse…and I can 
assure you that this is not a vanity issue. 
    I would appreciate hearing from the group as to what exercises works 
for them…how do you know when you are over doing it? I am seeing Dr. Kerr on 
Weds and will pose the question to him…I have a feeling he will stress 
moderation and developing a routine that will keep my muscles from atrophying 
while a t the same time not exhausting me to the point of pain.
    OK…enough for now…let's get back on topic! 
Rob in New Jersey  

[TMIC] mail blocked?

[wim from holland]

In the discussion of arts, I send two pictures of my work to share it with you, 
things I learned to do during the TM period. 

 

Send it twice but none of them came through. Are they blocked or cencored, one 
of them was the Madonna to the painting of Edvard Munch.

 

Wim from Holland

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Haal meer uit je leven met Windows Live
http://www.microsoft.com/netherlands/windowslive/Views/index.aspx

Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!

[Trudy Ogilvie]

Akua,Knowing what I do of you... you would have loved coming to the Met
Museum... My daughter and I got there around 1:00 and stayed till 7:00
Absolutely AMAZING. I have an incredible pic of the top of the museum with
an incredible piece of work that looks like a huge silver tree branch.
So there we were a beer in hand at the top of the MET with so many people
from so many countries. just enjoying life!
As I told Todd..   he better help us out!!!   :)  He has completely
changed our diet. At the top of the forbidden list  redmeat!!  Fish is in
(well some fish) and now our THanksgiving turkey has to have been breastfed
by it's mother..  :)
have a good one...
Blessings
Find the thing that stirs your heart and make room for it.   Joan
Chittister

On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Akua a...@artfarm.com wrote:


 the ^^%#**## New Jersey Turnpike almost as much as I hate the %%$#@
 Belt Pkwy... It was a fantastic trip... and of course you have to party at
 least one or two nights. I worked my way from Islip, L.I. then to Mineola,
 then to Forest Hills, then to the BIG APPLE.


 My old hometown. I was born in Manhattan grew up in the South Bronx and
 Queens.

  Chris will be a Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine...


 HIP HIP HOORAAAY! Hopefully you will get him to work on us!
 I've been a nonmeat
 eater for 36 years now and am always looking for new tips!
 CONGRATULATIONS!
 Akua


 --

Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!

[jrushton]

 Gosh, what fun that would be!!!  I'm still thinking of that breast-fed
turkey, tho..h  :)
 
---Original Message---
 
From: Trudy Ogilvie
Date: 6/30/2009 6:36:15 PM
To: Akua
Cc: tmic-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!
 
Akua, 
Knowing what I do of you... you would have loved coming to the Met Museum...
My daughter and I got there around 1:00 and stayed till 7:00
Absolutely AMAZING. I have an incredible pic of the top of the museum with
an incredible piece of work that looks like a huge silver tree branch.
So there we were a beer in hand at the top of the MET with so many people
from so many countries. just enjoying life! 
As I told Todd..   he better help us out!!!   :)  He has completely
changed our diet. At the top of the forbidden list  redmeat!!  Fish is in
(well some fish) and now our THanksgiving turkey has to have been breastfed
by it's mother..  :)  
have a good one...   
Blessings 
Find the thing that stirs your heart and make room for it.   Joan
Chittister


On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Akua a...@artfarm.com wrote:


the ^^%#**## New Jersey Turnpike almost as much as I hate the %%$#@ Belt
Pkwy... It was a fantastic trip... and of course you have to party at least
one or two nights. I worked my way from Islip, L.I. then to Mineola, then to
Forest Hills, then to the BIG APPLE.



My old hometown. I was born in Manhattan grew up in the South Bronx and
Queens. 



Chris will be a Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine...



HIP HIP HOORAAAY! Hopefully you will get him to work on us!
I've been a nonmeat
eater for 36 years now and am always looking for new tips!
CONGRATULATIONS!
Akua


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Re: [TMIC] mail blocked?

[jrushton]

Don't give up on it, Wim!  We would love to see your work as I would others!
 One more way to get to know each other!  Jeanne

---Original Message---
 
From: wim from holland
Date: 6/30/2009 6:28:47 PM
To: TMIC
Subject: [TMIC] mail blocked?
 
In the discussion of arts, I send two pictures of my work to share it with
you, things I learned to do during the TM period. 
 
Send it twice but none of them came through. Are they blocked or cencored,
one of them was the Madonna to the painting of Edvard Munch.
 
Wim from Holland



Heb jij de nieuwe Messenger nog niet?! Download 'm hier
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Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!

[Janice]

 Kathy, I hope you always have many more good days than bad ones!!   After 
21 years, I was going to say that no one knows
 your body better than you do.   But, with TM that doesn't make much sense. 
   We think we know, then TM throws another
 wrench into things. Keep up the good spirit!Janice
  - Original Message - 
  From: LadyOwl1961 
  To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 11:10 AM
  Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!


  I am a constant over doer. My theory is that when I feel good get it all done 
and then pay for it as I can never predict when I will feel well enough again 
to get to it.  It never crosses my mind that if I go slow today on a good day 
that it may last into tomorrow. Nope, not me.  After 21 years (as of this past 
Feb) of TM, I still have not stopped it and continue to do it.  My husband 
knows this and reminds me of it all the time. Even my doctors have told me to 
stop it but I just can’t. My doctor has learned not to tell me to NOT do things 
as he knows I will just go ahead and do specifically what he told me not to. 
Ever the actress I would attend things I should not have and then paid for it 
for days.  I must say though that during this occurrence things are very 
different. I have some new symptoms that seem to knock me off my feet, 
literally (burning pain in feet) and arms get very tired, very fast (typing, 
making tea or coffee, brushing teeth, showering, and even holding the phone 
receiver).  I am hoping that this will lessen with time and that they are not 
going to become the norm for me. Today is the first day that I am getting back 
on my normal medication regime after a month of upping and lowering my dosages 
and I made it till 10:30 am with taking a pain killer so I would have to say 
this is a good day. 

  Have a GOOD day all

  Kathy

- Original Message - 
From: Janice 
To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com ; balmat...@aol.com 
Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 9:42 AM
Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!


 Barbara,  as I told Rob, we can, can, can learn new tricks.With 
our bodies, we have to.   I hated to read that you suffered
for 3 days after swimming - how awful for you.I can  and have done 
the same thing doing things around the house - so I
know what you feel when you just don't want to stop.  BUT, again, with 
our bodies, we have to.   I hope you never
have that kind of pain for that long a time ever again!!   
Janice

  - Original Message - 
  From: balmat...@aol.com 
  To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 4:23 AM
  Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!


  Rob, I can relate totally to what you said about exercise, pain and 
overdoing it.  How do we find a happy medium, keep it up, and keep our bodies 
happy with the level and intensity?  Yeah right!

  Moderation, sure!  But, as I am doing the exercise most of the time I 
feel great and don't feel that I am overdoing it at all.  I also have a very 
poor habit of giving up on it from time to time due to pain issues and thinking 
it may be better not to exercise which I've found is also a bad idea.  The 
worse thing I can do is to stop making it a part of my routine, it's too easy 
to let it go and not get it done.  Once I do that, I'm done.  I cannot find a 
happy medium for my body.  

  I was in the pool the other night with my grandsons and didn't realize 
how much time had passed.  That night I couldn't sleep due to the pain and 
spasms, and the next two days were pretty bad.  I was actually worse than I'd 
been in a long time.  After 10 yrs you'd think the mind/body connection would 
be made but it hasn't in my case.  My mind forgets to engage and think about my 
limits.  

  Hugs to all,
  Barbara A


  -Original Message-
  From: Janice jan...@centurytel.net
  To: Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com; Tmic-list@eskimo.com
  Sent: Mon, Jun 29, 2009 8:49 pm
  Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!

  0A 
  Robert,
  I did water aerobics for about 5 years before TM hit.   I started it 
because of arthritis in my back.  Exercise done in water should
  not make you sore unless you are over doing it.   You really need to 
think hard about moderation when you first begin and add
  more slowly.Sure hope it helps you.   I would give my eye teeth to 
get back in the water, but am not ready yet.   Someday soon
  I hope.Good luck.
- Original Message - 
From: Robert Pall 
To: Tmic-list@eskimo.com 
Sent: Monday, June 29, 2009 8:26 AM
Subject: [TMIC] Every now and then!


I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements 
that seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually provides 
legitimacy to the di scussion. Stop being so quick to argue and remember the 

Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!

[Janice]

 Trudy,
  You wear me out!! I love that you can travel that much.How worn 
out do you get?   How do you
   feel once you get back from these trips?   Janice
  - Original Message - 
  From: Trudy Ogilvie 
  To: Robert Pall 
  Cc: Tmic-list@eskimo.com 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 2:19 PM
  Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!


  Rob
  That is the question of the day!!  I just wish somehow we would be able to 
tell when too much is too much..  It's been seven years of stop and go 
exercise. And who can really tell us that answer..   Yes, if my body would give 
me some indication that I should slow it down NO, NO
  and we pay for days and then stop exercise. Rob I am 63 years young. I 
believe that exercise is a key to staying healthy... BUT I am s
  frustrated. I work out on the machines at the gym then a swim... that was NOT 
good.  So choose my poison... swim or gym???  I've been doing some travelling 
lately and I am home after a week back on Long Island. Took me 7 hours to drive 
up... did I tell you Rob (no offense) but I HATE
  the ^^%#**## New Jersey Turnpike  almost as much as I hate the %%$#@ Belt 
Pkwy...  It was a fantastic trip... and of course you have to party at least 
one or two nights. I worked my way from Islip, L.I. then to Mineola, then to 
Forest Hills, then to the BIG APPLE.  Then drove home to Va.
  early Sat. morning only to hit horrendous traffic on a bridge just outside 
the Holland Tunnel.  I know this is too much info for everyone but your stuck 
with me and I want to share my blessings and my curses with this group!!  I 
have taken 1 and 1/2 Vicodin every day since I've been home. I'm getting ready 
for my trip next week to Phoenix for my son's graduation. BUT  my husband, my 
hero, will be with me and will take good care of me as will my four adult 
children. And we will be in one place all week. Chris will be a Doctor of 
Naturopathic Medicine... it's been a very long journey for him but he has 
accomplished his dream.  O.K I will put you all out of your misery with this 
t long e-mail.   take care!
  Blessings
  Trudy
  Find the thing that stirs your heart
  and make room for it.  Joan Chittister


  On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com wrote:

I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and disagreements that 
seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them actually provides 
legitimacy to the discussion. Stop being so quick to argue and remember the 
purpose of the list. No one needs to take sides….if what is written does not 
apply or offers words you do not care for…just delete it!

Do you ever think of how a new visitor to the site reacts to 
bickering….my guess is it turns them off…and that is a tragedy! If one member 
has a problem with what someone else says. why not try to just contact that 
person directly and not to the group as a whole. Remember we are all in this 
together and inevitably when these things occur the next thing that happens is 
we see the word unsubscribe. When one is in 24/7 pain and discomfort it is 
easy to pick a fight or disagreement…anything at all to avoid what is really 
the problem. TM

New topic: Exercise 

Exercise….when is enough enough? 

I tend to exercise in spurts….I am either following a regular 
routine or giving into my pain and discomfort and doing nothing at all!  I am 
not very good at knowing when I am overdoing it and therefore make the same 
mistakes over and over. After pretty much doing nothing for the past 6 months I 
am now back to swimming 3-4 times per week and I have never felt worse. My legs 
feel weighed down and I am walking far worse than normal. The level of 
discomfort and Pain are also off my charts. So what do I do….probably stop 
exercising and see if my legs feel better….that being said we have had horribly 
huimid,wet weather in the New York area the entire month of June…so I am not 
certain if the over exercising or the weather is making the TM flare up. Even 
after 12 years I have not really learned to listen to my body….part of this is 
due to the fact that I am not in discomfort while exercising….but hours later 
it is as if my body is just realizing I over did it and I have to pay the price.

My main exercise is swimming (and a little treadmill)….for the 
first 10 years of TM I had far fewer breaks from the exercise routine …and then 
all of a sudden when I hit 60 I kinda gave up and threw in the towel….I kinda 
just quit. I felt hopeless and helpless…therefore I just started back on my 
routine…and so far the pain far outweighs the gain.

I will attempt to introduce moderation to my exercise and try to 
remember I am closing in on 62 so I would guess non related TM problems are 
beginning to surface such as arthritis. I still have a lot on my plate…I drive 
80 miles a day to work and sometimes I am just so exhausted that the 

Re: [TMIC] mail blocked?

[Jim Lubin]

The list does not allow message larger than exactly 4
bytes.
I recommend using

http://skydrive.live.com 25Gb free online storage that you can use to
share files.
At 04:28 PM 6/30/2009, wim from holland wrote:
In the discussion of arts, I
send two pictures of my work to share it with you, things I learned to do
during the TM period. 

Send it twice but none of them came through. Are they blocked or
cencored, one of them was the Madonna to the painting of Edvard
Munch.

Wim from Holland

Heb jij de nieuwe Messenger nog niet?!

Download 'm hier 


Jim
Lubin

jlu...@makoa.org
Home Page:
http://makoa.org/jim

disAbility Resources:
http://www.makoa.org

Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!

[Akua]

I loved the Met! and Natural History!
Good for him. Meat is bad ( unless you free ranged it yourself).
LOL!
Glad you had a great time!


--

Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!

[Janice]

Trudy,
 Forgot to ask.What exactly is Nathuropathic Medicine?By the way,  
congratulations.   You must be
 so proud of him.   Janice
  - Original Message - 
  From: Trudy Ogilvie 
  To: Todd Tarno 
  Cc: TMIC 
  Sent: Tuesday, June 30, 2009 5:01 PM
  Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!


  Thanks Todd   Yes, and since I gave him life  he owes me big time ! 
 


  On Tue, Jun 30, 2009 at 4:07 PM, Todd Tarno toddtm2...@sbcglobal.net wrote:

  Chris will be a Doctor of Naturopathic Medicine...

  So, does this mean that you have your own private doctor now? LOL
  I bet Chris is glad to be done. lol  Congratulation!!!
  Todd in CC, TX

  --- On Tue, 6/30/09, Trudy Ogilvie mother...@gmail.com wrote:


From: Trudy Ogilvie mother...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: [TMIC] Every now and then!

To: Robert Pall rp...@neillsupply.com

Cc: Tmic-list@eskimo.com
Date: Tuesday, June 30, 2009, 2:19 PM



Rob 
That is the question of the day!!  I just wish somehow we would be 
able to tell when too much is too much..  It's been seven years of stop and go 
exercise. And who can really tell us that answer..   Yes, if my body would give 
me some indication that I should slow it down NO, NO
and we pay for days and then stop exercise. Rob I am 63 years 
young. I believe that exercise is a key to staying healthy... BUT I am s
frustrated. I work out on the machines at the gym then a swim... 
that was NOT good.  So choose my poison... swim or gym???  I've been doing some 
travelling lately and I am home after a week back on Long Island. Took me 7 
hours to drive up... did I tell you Rob (no offense) but I HATE
the ^^%#**## New Jersey Turnpike  almost as much as I hate the 
%%$#@ Belt Pkwy...  It was a fantastic trip... and of course you have to party 
at least one or two nights. I worked my way from Islip, L.I. then to Mineola, 
then to Forest Hills, then to the BIG APPLE.  Then drove home to Va.
early Sat. morning only to hit horrendous traffic on a bridge just 
outside the Holland Tunnel.  I know this is too much info for everyone but your 
stuck with me and I want to share my blessings and my curses with this group!!  
I have taken 1 and 1/2 Vicodin every day since I've been home. I'm getting 
ready for my trip next week to Phoenix for my son's graduation. BUT  my 
husband, my hero, will be with me and will take good care of me as will my four 
adult children. And we will be in one place all week. Chris will be a Doctor of 
Naturopathic Medicine... it's been a very long journey for him but he has 
accomplished his dream.  O.K I will put you all out of your misery with this 
t long e-mail.   take care!
Blessings
Trudy
Find the thing that stirs your heart
and make room for it.  Joan Chittister


On Mon, Jun 29, 2009 at 9:26 AM, Robert Pall 
rp...@neillsupply.com wrote:

  I refuse to even discuss the petty arguments and 
disagreements that seem to happens several times a year. To discuss them 
actually provides legitimacy to the discussion. Stop being so quick to argue 
and remember the purpose of the list. No one needs to take sides….if what is 
written does not apply or offers words you do not care for…just delete it!
  Do you ever think of how a new visitor to the site reacts 
to bickering….my guess is it turns them off…and that is a tragedy! If one 
member has a problem with what someone else says. why not try to just contact 
that person directly and not to the group as a whole. Remember we are all in 
this together and inevitably when these things occur the next thing that 
happens is we see the word unsubscribe. When one is in 24/7 pain and 
discomfort it is easy to pick a fight or disagreement…anything at all to avoid 
what is really the problem. TM
  New topic: Exercise 
  Exercise….when is enough enough? 
  I tend to exercise in spurts….I am either following a 
regular routine or giving into my pain and discomfort and doing nothing at all! 
 I am not very good at knowing when I am overdoing it and therefore make the 
same mistakes over and over. After pretty much doing nothing for the past 6 
months I am now back to swimming 3-4 times per week and I have never felt 
worse. My legs feel weighed down and I am walking far worse than normal. The 
level of discomfort and Pain are also off my charts. So what do I do….probably 
stop exercising and see if my legs feel better….that being said we have had 
horribly huimid,wet weather in the New York area the entire month of June…so I 
am not certain if the over exercising or the weather is making the TM flare up. 
Even after 12 years I have not really learned to listen to my body….part of 
this is 

[TMIC] July birthdays

[JHarper33]

Happy birthday to the July kids!!

Please send any additions or corrections to _tmic-l...@eskimo.com_
(mailto:tmic-list@eskimo.com) .

7-5 Sumer (_fjs181...@aol.com_ (mailto:fjs181...@aol.com) )

7/5 Rick in TN (_ashfordrich...@bellsouth.net_
(mailto:ashfordrich...@bellsouth.net) )

7-9 Vicki Frohna (_to...@bright.net_ (mailto:to...@bright.net)  )

7-14 Julie (_chi...@cox.net_ (mailto:chi...@cox.net) )

7-15 Sandi Siegel (_ssie...@myelitis.org_ (mailto:ssie...@myelitis.org) )

7-25 (_jennapa...@aol.com_ (mailto:jennapa...@aol.com) )

7-25 Michelle Balliet (_chelley...@aol.com_ (mailto:chelley...@aol.com) )

7-27 Linda (_lp...@aol.com_ (mailto:lp...@aol.com) )

7/29 Hildred (_missprissgran...@aol.com_ (mailto:missprissgran...@aol.com) )

7/30 Dex Packard (_d...@centurytel.net_ (mailto:d...@centurytel.net) )
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[TMIC] Birthdays

[PWi1991449]

Hello everyone haven't been on in a while hope everyone is doing very good.
 I will be celebrating my 60 years of life with TM and all, praises be unto
 God
There is none so amazing as God
Peggy  Wilson
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[TMIC] Birthdays

[PWi1991449]

So happy to be alive My Birthday is July 25

There is none so amazing as God
Peggy  Wilson
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