Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to check the progress of a scan of the USB drive?

2010-04-23 Thread DigitalMitch

I noticed that even after a 'good' scan, every time I remounted the
USB-HD, it always found 1670 new files. This was strangely close to the
number of albums (1614).

I then remembered that when EAC rips each disc it creates an m3u
playlist in each directory (back on fullfatSBS this had doubled-up my
music until I pointed the playlist folder elsewhere). Searching the
USB-HD i found excatly 1670 m3u playlists, so I deleted 18 and then
remounted, only 1652 'new' files.

I'll go ahead and delete the balance (a playlist = album is pretty
useless anyway and see if I can turn off in EAC). They don't show under
playlists on tinySC anyway.

My question is what impact do these 'spurious' files have? tinySC is
clearly identifying them as music, so must aim to do something but then
doesn't recognise that they have been scanned at the next remount. 

I don't know whether the presence of these files has any impact of scan
performacne or resulting server performance. will report back if any
noticeable changes.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to check the progress of a scan of the USB drive?

2010-04-22 Thread RichardLittlewood

I removed about 5 GByte of non-music files from the USB (~220G in a 320G
drive used now). I then did another factory reset because the player had
lost mysqueezebox.com password and there appears to be no way of
entering it except after a factory reset. After doing the welcome
wizard I mounted the USB drive and started a scan.

After 4 hours or so it stopped the server with the usual warning SBT
has stopped due to a problem (really informative that one). I then
restarted the server and it continued scanning (it still is acording to
the server status actually). I see the memory is 67% full under
advanced/diagnostics.

However, now everything is working well. I have my 3k file library
all available with albumart and I am logged into mysqueezebox. Lets see
how long it lasts.

I think this proves that the problems are more software related than
hardware. If it works well intermitently then it could always work if
they just fix the damn bugs.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to check the progress of a scan of the USB drive?

2010-04-22 Thread lrossouw

RichardLittlewood;538769 Wrote: 
 
 However, now everything is working well. I have my 3k file library
 all available with albumart and I am logged into mysqueezebox. Lets see
 how long it lasts.

3k = 30,000,000 is a lot of music :)  Just kidding but 30k is also
a lot of music. I'd imagine lots of PC based software would struggle to
get that scanned let alone a small little touch.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to check the progress of a scan of the USB drive?

2010-04-22 Thread DigitalMitch

RichardLittlewood;538769 Wrote: 
  I then did another factory reset because the player had lost
 mysqueezebox.com password and there appears to be no way of entering it
 except after a factory reset.
 
 

Ricard,

I don't believe that Touch loses the password, there is some other
connection problem when tinySC/Touch Server is running.

Try http://forums.slimdevices.com/showpost.php?p=538071postcount=17
and see if it reconncts you to mySB after you've had the error message.
If that works like it did for me, then it shows the password is
retained.

Mitch


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to check the progress of a scan of the USB drive?

2010-04-22 Thread DigitalMitch

John, thanks for such a comprehensive reply.

I'll drve the My Apps and last.fm scrobbling elsewhere as they are
minor compared to unlistenable music!

JohnSwenson;538624 Wrote: 
 Figuring out what is going on with the stuttering is ongoing. Is it
 happening with FLAC files? 

yes - I'm 95% FLAC ripped from CD, thought that the -0 problem was just
on 24/96. For no reason I know, from when I set FLAC up 2+ years ago, my
settings are flac.exe -6 -T -V at 768kbit/s. I'll do some experimenting
(and learning) here, by recoding.



JohnSwenson;538624 Wrote: 
 
 If you have the drive shared try unsharing it, samba takes up some
 memory and cycles. 
  

I'd shared to get access to the logfiles, guess I need to learn ssh to
reduce the load onto the Touch.


JohnSwenson;538624 Wrote: 
 
 If there is an existing one from an external server or if there is a
 partial one from a scan which did not complete, its a good idea to
 delete it before starting the scan.
 

does wipe and rescan from the Server status screen (when server is
not running) acheieve this adequately?

JohnSwenson;538624 Wrote: 
 
 When done eject the drive, unplug drive, unplug power. Plug in power,
 wait a couple minutes, plug in drive, wait for (hopefully much shorter)
 rescan. At this point you should be good to go for playing music. 
 

After ejecting drive, I have powered it off (it's a Samsung Story 1.5T
which has a switch on the front) assuming that is the same, but easier,
than actually unplugging. Is that correct?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to check the progress of a scan of the USB drive?

2010-04-21 Thread JohnSwenson

DigitalMitch;538401 Wrote: 
 Accepting that, I'm on the path of trying to optimise but I am
 struggling to understand/isolate issues which are library size related
 and others which could be settings/setup/bugs.
 
 I understand your 3 examples are clearly directly based on library
 size, I have several others which I think should be independent:-
 
 music stream is interuppted or stuttering 

Figuring out what is going on with the stuttering is ongoing. Is it
happening with FLAC files? A number of people have gotten around the
problem by re-encoding using level -0 compression. If scanning is still
going on when trying to play music all bets are off. In addition any
animated visualizers can take up CPU time (spectrum analyzer, VU
meters, picture viewer). When the server is running the processor has
to handle both the server side and the player side so anything else
going on can cause problems. If you have the drive shared try unsharing
it, samba takes up some memory and cycles. 

 can't connect to mySB for MyApps or App Gallery whilst playing from
 tinySC

That one I don't have a solution for. It works fine for me. There are
log files on the Touch which are frequently useful in debugging this
sort of thing. You have to ssh into the Touch and then you can read the
log files. If there are errors making connections you might find
pertinent info in the logs.


 tinySC doesn't scrobble to last.fm
I'm pretty sure that has nothing to do with large libraries, etc. I
don't do scrobbling so I've never tried it.

 I suspect that the former may be incurred by outstanding scan
 issues/background processes caused by a 'bad' scan/remount which may
 have been caused by library size.
 
 Is there any reason library size should affect the other two issues.
 
 In terms of large, does non-music on the USB have any impact?
 (discovering files seems to go to 60,000 which I guess includes all
 non-music)

I don't think so. At one point I connected a drive which had 2 million
files, most of which were NOT audio files. There was about 10gigs of
audio files in various locations on the disk. It handled it perfectly,
found the audio files and ignored the rest. 

 Also, is large defined purely by number of files or does type of file
 and length of track (i.e. size of file) also impact?

I THINK its probably number of songs not size of file thats an issue. I
have a disk which has about 100 songs on it but each song is 2 gig in
size (they are raw concert recordings), this scans very quickly. 

Just a few thoughts on scanning in general, which you probably already
know but here goes anyway. The scan stores data in the .Squeezebox dir
on the disk. If there is an existing one from an external server or if
there is a partial one from a scan which did not complete, its a good
idea to delete it before starting the scan. I've seen the scanner do
weird things when it couldn't correctly read the database. Turn off
sharing, this leaves a little more memory which might help. Don't plug
in an SD card. Don't do anything else while scanning, don't touch the
screen, don't display pictures, nothing.

The sequence I have found that gives the best chance of success is to
disconnect the drive, unplug the power on the Touch. Plug the drive
into another computer and delete .Squeezebox directory. Plug power into
the Touch, let it sit for a couple minutes so all startup and
initialization precesses have finished. Plug in the drive. When it
comes up with the message about using the eject button go ahead and
select the item for viewing the scan progress. After this don't touch
the Touch until its done or you are really sure its hung. When done
eject the drive, unplug drive, unplug power. Plug in power, wait a
couple minutes, plug in drive, wait for (hopefully much shorter)
rescan. At this point you should be good to go for playing music. 


John S.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to check the progress of a scan of the USB drive?

2010-04-20 Thread perro6969

RichardLittlewood;537662 Wrote: 
 Hey, you're not alone.I've got a big library of 250 Gbytes, and had
 numerous issues getting my new Squeezebox touch to work properly. 
 
 My main problem was that when scanning for files, after about 4 hours
 of scanning the HDD, some time after starting to scan album art, the
 squeezebox stops with an error music server stopped due to a problem.
 I tried 4 different models of USB HDD (including a powered one) and I
 bought a USB powered hub in case the unpowered USB HDDs couldn't supply
 sufficient current without luck. 
 
 Some issues I had along the way included:
 1) USB connection dropped repeatedly.
 2) When I navigate to a file and try to play it I get an error Problem
 can not open file for:
 3) GUI freezes or is unuseably slow
 4) Server needs restarting
 5) Impossible to browse by tags because every time you enter a menu
 such as Artists It takes forever to populate the entries. That would
 be OK if it remembered them, but as soon as you exit that menu and
 re-enter it does the same thing again.
 6) Squeezebox hangs saying it is scanning but it's not, the HDD isn't
 even spinning.
 
 Eventually after several scans, wipe and rescans and factory resets, I
 got it to scan everything although albumart is missing (which was
 working at one point), I can't log into the squeezebox server (which
 was working) and the device is permanently scanning for new files
 (which I guess is making the GUI so slow).Wouldn't it make more sense
 to be able to manually control the file scanning and choose the
 directories. I have other stuff on my HDD I don't want scanned. 
 
 I also tried to point the picture viewer at a picasa album embedded URL
 and that failed too.
 
 So, I'm very unimpressed so far but I haven't given up yet.

Hi,
I'm having the same problems as you...
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77600
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156

I still can't find a solution. Even the Logitech support couldn't give
me a good answer to my problems. I think we can forget using the touch
as a stand alone player for USB HD's containing big music collections


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to check the progress of a scan of the USB drive?

2010-04-20 Thread JohnSwenson

perro6969;537853 Wrote: 
 Hi,
 I'm having the same problems as you...
 http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77600
 http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=77156
 
 I still can't find a solution. Even the Logitech support couldn't give
 me a good answer to my problems. I think we can forget using the touch
 as a stand alone player for USB HD's containing big music collections

In order to fit in the limited resources in the Touch the server
software has to have some of its functionality disabled. For large
collections its just trying to cram too much stuff into a small box. I
think you will be much happier with an external server. 

A VortexBox or Sheevaplug will almost certainly be a much better fit
with a large collection. 

John S.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to check the progress of a scan of the USB drive?

2010-04-20 Thread DigitalMitch

JohnSwenson;538070 Wrote: 
  For large collections its just trying to cram too much stuff into a
 small box.
 
 John S.

how big is large? when is it too large?
what happens when it is too large and which features/services should
therefore be avoided?

there is no documentation suggesting a restriction.

I've got a big/full/huge SBS on WHS but bought the Touch specifically
to act as a server at my GF's streaming to a receiver and Radio. 
The USB Drive has 26,212 mostly FLAC tracks, I'm sure there is
duplication and genres I can do without but how many should I remove?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to check the progress of a scan of the USB drive?

2010-04-20 Thread DigitalMitch

JohnSwenson;538070 Wrote: 
  For large collections its just trying to cram too much stuff into a
 small box.
 
 John S.

how big is large? when is it too large?
what happens when it is too large and which features/services should
therefore be avoided?

there is no documentation suggesting a restriction.

I've got a big/full/huge SBS on WHS but bought the Touch specifically
to act as a server at my GF's streaming to a receiver and Radio. 
The USB Drive has 26,212 mostly FLAC tracks, I'm sure there is
duplication and genres I can do without but how many should I remove?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to check the progress of a scan of the USB drive?

2010-04-20 Thread RichardLittlewood

Mr_Sukebe;537719 Wrote: 
 Did you try the Factory settings reset?  As mentioned, I did that after
 playing around and not getting that far with the initial scan.  It's
 performed flawlessly since.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to check the progress of a scan of the USB drive?

2010-04-20 Thread RichardLittlewood

JohnSwenson;538070 Wrote: 
 In order to fit in the limited resources in the Touch the server
 software has to have some of its functionality disabled. For large
 collections its just trying to cram too much stuff into a small box. I
 think you will be much happier with an external server. 
 
 A VortexBox or Sheevaplug will almost certainly be a much better fit
 with a large collection. 
 
 John S.

The internal memory of the ST is only 27% full after scanning 35000
files. In any case, Logitech should publicize any limitations. On one
of their forums I see they mention it had been tested with a 2 TB
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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to check the progress of a scan of the USB drive?

2010-04-20 Thread JohnSwenson

There are no hard and fast rules. Its not a number in the software that
after its reached stuff doesn't work. There seems to be a gradual
degradation in performance (initial scan time, remount scan time, GUI
responsiveness etc) as the database gets larger. Exactly where things
start to get really bad seems to be very individual setup dependant. 

Several beta testers are running large libraries on big disks and its
working fine for them. Others (such as those posting here in this
thread) are having major problems. Unfortunately right now nobody knows
what the differences are. I don't think anybody can say right now If
you do this its guaranteed to work and if you do this its guaranteed
not to work.

Its going to take some more experience to find out what parameters
affect it and how to optimize a large library running on the builtin
server. 

For now if you are having major difficulties there are a couple
options: spend more time trying to find out what you can do that will
improve things with the current setup, give up in disgust and return
it, or go to an external server. It doesn't have to be very expensive,
the Sheevaplug costs $99 and can be used with the USB drive you already
have. I think most people are going to prefer the experience with the
external server, you have the full capabilities of the server at your
disposal, which are probably even more important for people with large
collections. 

John S.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to check the progress of a scan of the USB drive?

2010-04-20 Thread JohnSwenson

RichardLittlewood;538096 Wrote: 
 The internal memory of the ST is only 27% full after scanning 35000
 files. In any case, Logitech should publicize any limitations. On one
 of their forums I see they mention it had been tested with a 2 TB
 drive.

Where did you get the 27% memory utilization number? I and everyone
else who has checked are seeing 97% to 99% memory utilization when
running the builtin server. The lowest I've ever seen it is 43% when
running over a wired connection to an external server streaming PCM. 

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to check the progress of a scan of the USB drive?

2010-04-19 Thread RichardLittlewood

Hey, you're not alone.I've got a big library of 250 Gbytes, and had
numerous issues getting my new Squeezebox touch to work properly. 

My main problem was that when scanning for files, after about 4 hours
of scanning the HDD, some time after starting to scan album art, the
squeezebox stops with an error music server stopped due to a problem.
I tried 4 different models of USB HDD (including a powered one) and I
bought a USB powered hub in case the unpowered USB HDDs couldn't supply
sufficient current without luck. 

Some issues I had along the way included:
1) USB connection dropped repeatedly.
2) When I navigate to a file and try to play it I get an error Problem
can not open file for:
3) GUI freezes or is unuseably slow
4) Server needs restarting
5) Impossible to browse by tags because every time you enter a menu
such as Artists It takes forever to populate the entries. That would
be OK if it remembered them, but as soon as you exit that menu and
re-enter it does the same thing again.
6) Squeezebox hangs saying it is scanning but it's not, the HDD isn't
even spinning.

Eventually after several scans, wipe and rescans and factory resets, I
got it to scan everything although albumart is missing (which was
working at one point), I can't log into the squeezebox server (which
was working) and the device is permanently scanning for new files
(which I guess is making the GUI so slow).Wouldn't it make more sense
to be able to manually control the file scanning and choose the
directories. I have other stuff on my HDD I don't want scanned. 

I also tried to point the picture viewer at a picasa album embedded URL
and that failed too.

So, I'm very unimpressed so far but I haven't given up yet.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to check the progress of a scan of the USB drive?

2010-04-19 Thread Mr_Sukebe

Did you try the Factory settings reset?  As mentioned, I did that after
playing around and not getting that far with the initial scan.  It's
performed flawlessly since.


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to check the progress of a scan of the USB drive?

2010-04-13 Thread DigitalMitch

mine also 'hung' showing 'scanning media for music files. please wait
...' but not progressing.

I eventually got it to scan through a combination of 'stop server',
'eject USB' and putting Touch into standby (I haven't used the factory
reset).

I powered it down overnight (eject USB first) ad today it
recognises/remembers all teh files on the USB drive but

setting/advanced/squeezebox_server still shows 'scanning media for
music files. please wait...'
setting/advanaced/squeezebox_information shows 'rescanning music
library...' where it shows Library Information when done. Drilling in
shows 'empty'.

Mr-Sukebe and tank121, what do you see now and have you put Touch into
Standby or powered off since the successful scan?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to check the progress of a scan of the USB drive?

2010-04-13 Thread DigitalMitch

mine also 'hung' showing 'scanning media for music files. please wait
...' but not progressing.

I eventually got it to scan through a combination of 'stop server',
'eject USB' and putting Touch into standby (I haven't used the factory
reset).

I powered it down overnight (eject USB first) ad today it
recognises/remembers all teh files on the USB drive but

setting/advanced/squeezebox_server still shows 'scanning media for
music files. please wait...'
setting/advanaced/squeezebox_information shows 'rescanning music
library...' where it shows Library Information when done. Drilling in
shows 'empty'.

Mr-Sukebe and tank121, what do you see now and have you put Touch into
Standby or powered off since the successful scan?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to check the progress of a scan of the USB drive?

2010-04-13 Thread Mr_Sukebe

I've put mine into standby, played lots of tracks and even removed the
USB drive (the wrong way, oops).  The Touch has still performed
flawlessly.


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[SlimDevices: Touch] How to check the progress of a scan of the USB drive?

2010-04-12 Thread Mr_Sukebe

Got my SB Touch today (my thanks Logitech) and very nice it looks too.

At the moment, I believe it's scanning the attached USB drive (which
will be used as it's music source).  I've got roughly 1100 CDs cut onto
the HD and was wondering how I check progress of the scan whilst it's
running?
Any thoughts?

I have read elsewhere that it can take roughly 5 times longer than it
would on a PC.  Last time I did a scan on my PC, it took roughly 45
mins, so should I be expecting a scan to take 3 hours?

Lastly, if I switch to another music source (e.g. my PC), then go back
to the USB HDD, will I need to re-scan it?


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to check the progress of a scan of the USB drive?

2010-04-12 Thread Michael Herger
 Any thoughts?

Settings/Advanced/Squeezebox Server

 Lastly, if I switch to another music source (e.g. my PC), then go back
 to the USB HDD, will I need to re-scan it?

No.

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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to check the progress of a scan of the USB drive?

2010-04-12 Thread DigitalMitch

go to settings/advanced/squeezebox server

which should give you a progress report.

I think it will be slower if you are playing music whilst it scans but
see my post as I think I crashed mine byinstalling an applet (which
always reboots Squeezeplay devices like teh touch) mid-scan.
http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=533775#post533775


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to check the progress of a scan of the USB drive?

2010-04-12 Thread tank121

Mine too seemed to stop the first time it was doing the scan. Powered
down and restarted and all tracks, album art etc scanned successfully.

You should see the tracks scanned going up and a %


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Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] How to check the progress of a scan of the USB drive?

2010-04-12 Thread Mr_Sukebe

I used the factory reset option, restarted it, then setup to scan my USB
HDD.  Worked a treat.  Scanned the whole lot in 25 mins, then played
everything with zero issues.
Big thumbs up from me.


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