Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
mlsstl;611978 Wrote: Quite possibly. A router or switch will automatically adjust for the correct connection. In the old days a crossover cable was needed if one directly connected two computers without going through a switch or hub. It is quite possible that even some more recent network cards do not have this automatic adjustment. BTW, a few months ago I needed to replace a faulty 5 port switch. The replacement cost me about $15, brand new including shipping, on eBay. I just ordered this. http://www.digitalet.com/Items/NET-DGS-1005D-GREEN Hopefully this is useful. Another question -- would I run into these same problems connecting the Touch directly into a Vortexbox Appliance? I might be able to get one used now at a reasonable price. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Howard Turkster;612053 Wrote: Another question -- would I run into these same problems connecting the Touch directly into a Vortexbox Appliance? I might be able to get one used now at a reasonable price. not sure, but the VBA is a great way to run SbS. I use one (but my VBA is connected to my router, and my SB Players are connected to my router (via ethernet or wifi). The SB player is not directly connected to VBA. none of my business, but not running a router makes life more difficult than it need be in terms of the SB system -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
garym;612058 Wrote: not sure, but the VBA is a great way to run SbS. I use one (but my VBA is connected to my router, and my SB Players are connected to my router (via ethernet or wifi). The SB player is not directly connected to VBA. none of my business, but not running a router makes life more difficult than it need be in terms of the SB system Yah, it seems that way. I just can't go that way without going wirelss with the Touch, and without getting into that debate :), I just don't want to go that way. Knowing nothing about computers myself really, I still find it odd that the concept of plugging a Touch directly into a computer seems so odd to everyone else. :) -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Howard Turkster;612059 Wrote: Yah, it seems that way. I just can't go that way without going wirelss with the Touch, and without getting into that debate :), I just don't want to go that way. Knowing nothing about computers myself really, I still find it odd that the concept of plugging a Touch directly into a computer seems so odd to everyone else. :) have you looked into ethernet over powerline adaptors instead of wifi. works well for lots of people. regarding plugging the touch directly into your computer, this is sorta like asking why people would think it odd if one asked why they can't just plug their touch into their fridge. The TOUCH is a NETWORK music player. Thus it needs a network. You can force your computer to take on the role of a router, etc. but nonetheless, the TOUCH needs a network. If you just want music coming out of your computer, connect your soundcard out to your stereo in. Or for better sound usually, connect a DAC of some kind to your computer (and this could be a cheap DAC ( $100) or and expensive DAC ( $3,000), and the DAC analog outs can feed your stereo. This is exactly what I did BEFORE I had SB players. (I used a laptop with my music library Benchmark DAC analog out (RCA) preamp amp speakers. edit: and if you can plug your touch into the computer and your computer is wired to the internet, why not just stick a $30 router between the internet modem and plug BOTH your computer and touch into the router. Really quite simple and cheap these days. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Howard Turkster;612059 Wrote: Yah, it seems that way. I just can't go that way without going wirelss with the Touch, and without getting into that debate :), I just don't want to go that way. Knowing nothing about computers myself really, I still find it odd that the concept of plugging a Touch directly into a computer seems so odd to everyone else. :) It seems odd to everyone else because the Touch, like the rest of the SB line, is a _network_ music player. And the center of most networks is the router, not an individual server. I don't understand how you can connect a VBA to the Touch directly, but then claim that if you put a router between the VBA and the Touch you must go wireless. The VBA has exactly one network interface, so if it's connected directly to your Touch, then it can't be connected to the rest of your network. Do you really mean to use the VBA and Touch standalone (or off-network) like that? And if you do mean to use the VBA and Touch that way, you could wire it directly. It will be a bit of a hassle because that's not the way most networking is done, but it's do-able. But you could just as easily pop a $40 router between the VBA and Touch, turn off the wifi on the router, and run ethernet from the router to the VBA and from the routher to the Touch. No wireless needed. Alternatively, if the VBA is going to be wired on the home network, then you can get away with a $10 ethernet switch. Both the VBA and the Touch would plug into the switch, and the switch would connect to the router. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
aubuti;612065 Wrote: And if you do mean to use the VBA and Touch that way, you could wire it directly. It will be a bit of a hassle because that's not the way most networking is done, but it's do-able. But you could just as easily (EDIT: _much_ more easily) pop a $40 router between the VBA and Touch, turn off the wifi on the router, and run ethernet from the router to the VBA and from the routher to the Touch. No wireless needed. Alternatively, if the VBA is going to be wired on the home network, then you can get away with a $10 ethernet switch. Both the VBA and the Touch would plug into the switch, and the switch would connect to the router. Thanks for the replies. I feel like I'm making progress. :) On option #1 above here, does the router have to be connected to my modem? If I put an ethernet switch between the VBA and Touch alone, without any connection to my home network, would that suffice? Basically what my situation comes down to is this -- my stereo listening system does not have wired access to my home network, and enabling it as such with some new wiring doesn't seem feasible at this time. And I do not want to connect wirelessly. I also prefer ethernet connection to use of standalone HDD connected via USB. I want to use the Touch on my listening system because I like the use of its analogue outs, and I do like the ability to stream Internet radio (yes, wirelessly for that) into my amp via these analogue outs. And I like its overall functionality. So the easiest way to plug a 'server' directly into the Touch is what I'm looking after. If I can use a VBA with an ethernet switch between them I'm all for that. If I can't connect them through any intermediary that itself is not somehow connected to my home network, then I might just go back to using a netbook, which has already proven that it works. I just would prefer using a VBA, or similar device, at this point. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Howard Turkster;612091 Wrote: Thanks for the replies. I feel like I'm making progress. :) On option #1 above here, does the router have to be connected to my home network/modem? If I put an ethernet switch between the VBA and Touch alone, without any connection to my home network, would that suffice? Basically what my situation comes down to is this -- my stereo listening system does not have wired access to my home network, and enabling it as such with some new wiring doesn't seem feasible at this time. And I do not want to connect wirelessly. I also prefer ethernet connection to use of standalone HDD connected via USB. I want to use the Touch on my listening system because I like the use of its analogue outs, and I do like the ability to stream Internet radio (yes, wirelessly for that) into my amp via these analogue outs. And I like its overall functionality. So the easiest way to plug a 'server' directly into the Touch is what I'm looking for. If I can use a VBA with an ethernet switch between them I'm all for that. If I can't connect them through any intermediary that itself is not somehow connected to my home network, then I might just go back to using a netbook, which has already proven that it works. I just would prefer using a VBA, or similar device, at this point. My configuration is this: DSL modem/router 16 port ethernet switch VBA Touch Stereo I have about 10 devices (including the VBA, Touch, and a wireless router configured as an access point) connected to the switch---all via CAT6 cable---and it all works flawlessly. Installing the switch is dead simplepower it up, plug in your internet connection into one of the ports, plug in whatever devices you're going to plug into it, and it takes care of each device being able to see/talk to the others. One thing to be very aware of is, if--as I did---you're going to plug a wireless router into the switch AND if both your broadband and wireless router are running DHCP servers, you'll very likely need to turn off DHCP in your wireless router and turn it into a simple access point. Otherwise you'll probably run into IP address conflicts between your broadband router and your wireless router which will vex and befuddle you (speaking from personal experience!). -- rgro Rick System information Main: PS Audio Quintet Touch (wired) via spdif coax CA DacMagic Marantz PM8003 VA Mozart Grands REL Acoustics R305. Home Theatre: SBR (Wired) Pioneer VSX 919 Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.5.3 r31815 running on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 1.7. Touch w/Hardware V.5. Touch: FW 7.5.3 r9283. Duet: FW 67. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
garym;612093 Wrote: No, I think you are misunderstanding how this works. You're making this harder than it needs to be: you have an internet connection coming into your house via a modem. 1. from modem, connect a short ethernet cable connecting to the input of a router (the WAN port). This feeds the internet to your router. 2. Place your VBA next to your router and connect the VBA with ethernet cable to one of the routers other ports (doesn't have to be a VBA, could be any computer, netbook, etc.just something that runs SbS and has access to your music files) 3. If you don't want WIFI in the house, just turn off the WIFI part of the router. 4. now, in a separate room, you have your stereo setup. Connect your TOUCH to this via analog out or digital out to your DAC. But somehow the TOUCH needs to talk to your network (router). You can do this via WIFI or you can do this with ethernet. Because you don't have ethernet at the stereo location, you can get it there by HOMEPLUGS (ethernet over powerline). That is, you connect one homeplug by your router. Run ethernet from the homeplug to your router. Connect another homeplug near your stereo. Run ethernet from that homeplug to your TOUCH. Setup touch to work with ethernet connection and your done. The TOUCH will access your own music (the music sitting on your computer running SbS, which could be the VBA) or internet radio. Even the internet radio will be via the SbS running on your system. Bottom line: You need a home network. Not having ethernet near your stereo is NOT a reason to avoid having a home network. And a home network does NOT have to include WIFI if you don't want it to. But not sure why you wouldn't want WIFI too, for other devices (iphones, itouch, other smart phones, laptops, etc.). Use WPA for wifi security and you don't have any security problems anyhow. I've tried ethernet over powerline and I feel the sound quality degrades significantly over a direct ethernet connection. WIFI is fine in my home for other purposes but I don't want to stream my music via wifi. As I was trying to indicate earlier, *why* I don't want to is a whole 'nother debate that I'm not really trying to get started right now. :) Bottom line is this -- I know I can do what I want to do via a netbook connected directly to the Touch. It's already worked. I want to find a way to use a VBA or similar appliance in the same fashion that I have already done with the netbook. How do I do it? :P If I can just buy a $10-$40 device to stick in between them, I'll gladly do it. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Another question -- am I crazy? :p -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Howard Turkster;612097 Wrote: I've tried ethernet over powerline and I feel the sound quality degrades significantly over a direct ethernet connection. WIFI is fine in my home for other purposes but I don't want to stream my music via wifi. As I was trying to indicate earlier, *why* I don't want to is a whole 'nother debate that I'm not really trying to get started right now. :) For me the bottom line is this -- I know I can do what I want to do via a netbook connected directly to the Touch. It's already worked. I want to find a way to use a VBA or similar appliance in the same fashion that I have already done with the netbook. How do I do it? :P If I can just buy a $10-$40 device to stick in between them, I'll gladly do it. i don't want to get into the other debate either. But I do just have to say, that if the network connection isn't good (whether wifi or ethernet, or homeplug, etc.) it doesn't degrade sound quality. It causes dropouts, silence, excessive buffering, etc. It doesn't reduce soundstage, remove depth, etc.). Bits are bits and no one should try to adapt analog music connection issues to digital transportation of bits. If the WIFI is strong, the bits arriving at the TOUCH will be identical to the bits arriving via ethernet. But again, I know you didn't want to go there, so I'm not expecting a response on this. But to answer your question. No. you can't use the VBA the way you are wanting to. You might as well hook your netbook (with music on it, or connected via USB drive) up near your DAC, connect the netbook to the DAC, the DAC to the stereo, and leave the TOUCH out of the equation. There is no internet radio you can get via the touch that you can't just get on your netbook with about any player (foobar2000, winamp, itunes, etc.) -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
garym;612104 Wrote: i don't want to get into the other debate either. But I do just have to say, that if the network connection isn't good (whether wifi or ethernet, or homeplug, etc.) it doesn't degrade sound quality. It causes dropouts, silence, excessive buffering, etc. It doesn't reduce soundstage, remove depth, etc.). Bits are bits and no one should try to adapt analog music connection issues to digital transportation of bits. If the WIFI is strong, the bits arriving at the TOUCH will be identical to the bits arriving via ethernet. But again, I know you didn't want to go there, so I'm not expecting a response on this. But to answer your question. No. you can't use the VBA the way you are wanting to. You might as well hook your netbook (with music on it, or connected via USB drive) up near your DAC, connect the netbook to the DAC, the DAC to the stereo, and leave the TOUCH out of the equation. There is no internet radio you can get via the touch that you can't just get on your netbook with about any player (foobar2000, winamp, itunes, etc.) and to be clear the VBA is just a computer. No different from your netbook other than the fact that it doesn't have a keyboard or monitor (you access it from a webbrower on a different computer to control things). The VBA runs a special linux based OS and does some other interesting things re: ripping. But at the end of the day, it is just a computer. I use one on my network for feeding several SB Players through the house. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Howard Turkster;612059 Wrote: Yah, it seems that way. I just can't go that way without going wirelss with the Touch, and without getting into that debate :), I just don't want to go that way. Knowing nothing about computers myself really, I still find it odd that the concept of plugging a Touch directly into a computer seems so odd to everyone else. :) I don't see how this makes sense. If you can wire a Touch to a VBA, you can wire a touch to a router and wire the router to the VBA. It's one extra cable. No need for any wi-fi... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - Audiolense 3.3/2.0+INGUZ DRC - MF x-dacv3/x-10/x-psu(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - full Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Belden Digital,Kimber 8TC Speaker Chord Signature Plus Interconnect cables Stax4070+SRM7/II phones Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
garym;612105 Wrote: and to be clear the VBA is just a computer. No different from your netbook other than the fact that it doesn't have a keyboard or monitor (you access it from a webbrower on a different computer to control things). Presumably this makes it rather difficult to administer if it isn't connected to the network. -- chill chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Howard Turkster;612103 Wrote: Another question -- am I crazy? :p You're not crazyjust grappling with some fundamental understandings of how these things work. We've all been there. With all of the help available here and with a bit of work and patience on your part...sooner or later you'll get it! -- rgro Rick System information Main: PS Audio Quintet Touch (wired) via spdif coax CA DacMagic Marantz PM8003 VA Mozart Grands REL Acoustics R305. Home Theatre: SBR (Wired) Pioneer VSX 919 Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.5.3 r31815 running on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 1.7. Touch w/Hardware V.5. Touch: FW 7.5.3 r9283. Duet: FW 67. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
garym;612104 Wrote: i don't want to get into the other debate either. But I do just have to say, that if the network connection isn't good (whether wifi or ethernet, or homeplug, etc.) it doesn't degrade sound quality. It causes dropouts, silence, excessive buffering, etc. It doesn't reduce soundstage, remove depth, etc.). Bits are bits and no one should try to adapt analog music connection issues to digital transportation of bits. If the WIFI is strong, the bits arriving at the TOUCH will be identical to the bits arriving via ethernet. But again, I know you didn't want to go there, so I'm not expecting a response on this. My only response is this theory hasn't been validated by my experience. When I hooked up my wife's netbook for the first time directly to the Touch, I expected it NOT to sound any different. I was a skeptic. But I believe what I heard was much different. That's all I can say. But to answer your question. No. you can't use the VBA the way you are wanting to. You might as well hook your netbook (with music on it, or connected via USB drive) up near your DAC, connect the netbook to the DAC, the DAC to the stereo, and leave the TOUCH out of the equation. There is no internet radio you can get via the touch that you can't just get on your netbook with about any player (foobar2000, winamp, itunes, etc.) Ok, this is good to know. I feel kind of stupid now (or more stupid). My situation would be at this point I don't have a DAC or a netbook/computer (other than one 'borrowed' from my wife). But I do have a Touch. So you're saying I should unload the Touch and pick up a new DAC? Oh boy. Back to square 1. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Phil Leigh;612107 Wrote: I don't see how this makes sense. If you can wire a Touch to a VBA, you can wire a touch to a router and wire the router to the VBA. It's one extra cable. No need for any wi-fi... But I can't wire the router to a newtork. So would it be doing any good? That's my ultimate question right now. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
chill;612111 Wrote: Presumably this makes it rather difficult to administer if it isn't connected to the network. Yes. Of course it is DESIGNED to be connected to the network. This said, you can connect a keyboard and monitor to the VBA, it is just designed that one doesn't need to. The idea is that this is a music (and video) server (computer) that can be hidden away in your basement, back closet, etc. feeding stuff to players (video, Squeezeboxes, SONOS, etc.) that are also connected to your network. Right now I'm at my kitchen table on my laptop. From the laptop web browser, I can see what's going on with my VBA, I can also access SbS running on my VBA, I can copy music from my laptop over to the drive on my VBA, etc. But the VBA is physically located in a back closet chugging away 24/7 (low power use in any case). -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
garym;612115 Wrote: Yes. Of course it is DESIGNED to be connected to the network. Understood - I was simply trying to emphasise the advantage of having the Touch connected to a network for Howard's benefit. Another point worth noting is that you lose all the flexibility of controlling the Touch from other sources (iPhone, web browser etc) if it isn't on a network, and you'll not be able to sync it with other players in the future. -- chill chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Howard Turkster;612112 Wrote: My only response is this theory hasn't been validated by my experience. When I hooked up my wife's netbook for the first time directly to the Touch, I expected it NOT to sound any different. I was a skeptic. But I believe what I heard was much different. That's all I can say.n Then I respectfully submit something is not hooked up properly (and hooking the touch to the netbook doesn't even make any sense...that's not how it works, so I'm not sure what you were listening to), but I won't argue the point, to each their own. Howard Turkster;612112 Wrote: Ok, this is good to know. I feel kind of stupid now (or more stupid). My situation would be at this point I don't have a DAC or a netbook/computer (other than one 'borrowed' from my wife). But I do have a Touch. So you're saying I should unload the Touch and pick up a new DAC? Oh boy. Back to square 1. No I'm not really recommending this. Even with a new DAC, you'll need a computer to run some software to stream music to the DAC. The TOUCH is a wonderful player, with a very good internal DAC. But if you want to use the TOUCH, it needs to talk to a computer that is running SqueezeBoxServer and has access to your music library. Now if you don't want that computer, you have the choice of using the TOUCH's internal tinySbS and hook a USB drive with your music to the TOUCH itself. But the TOUCH needs a SERVER (either its own tiny server or some other computer on your local network acting as the server). -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
garym;612118 Wrote: Then I respectfully submit something is not hooked up properly (and hooking the touch to the netbook doesn't even make any sense...that's not how it works, so I'm not sure what you were listening to), but I won't argue the point, to each their own. No I'm not really recommending this. Even with a new DAC, you'll need a computer to run some software to stream music to the DAC. The TOUCH is a wonderful player, with a very good internal DAC. But if you want to use the TOUCH, it needs to talk to a computer that is running SqueezeBoxServer and has access to your music library. Now if you don't want that computer, you have the choice of using the TOUCH's internal tinySbS and hook a USB drive with your music to the TOUCH itself. But the TOUCH needs a SERVER (either its own tiny server or some other computer on your local network acting as the server). I meant DAC + computer. My issue is connecting to a network. I won't be doing that. So I'm looking for my best solution. I liked the Touch's DAC and analogue outs so I'd prefer just to use THAT. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Maybe I should just pay a professional electrician to wire my house. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Howard Turkster;612120 Wrote: Maybe I should just pay a professional electrician to wire my house. Actually, a better recommendation would be to spend a few dollars on getting someone who's network savy out to your house---the Geek Squad folks would be one such resource. Just tell them what you want to do and I'll bet they'll have it figured out in 10 min...for these guys this is child's play. -- rgro Rick System information Main: PS Audio Quintet Touch (wired) via spdif coax CA DacMagic Marantz PM8003 VA Mozart Grands REL Acoustics R305. Home Theatre: SBR (Wired) Pioneer VSX 919 Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.5.3 r31815 running on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 1.7. Touch w/Hardware V.5. Touch: FW 7.5.3 r9283. Duet: FW 67. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
rgro;612122 Wrote: Actually, a better recommendation would be to spend a few dollars on getting someone who's network savy out to your house---the Geek Squad folks would be one such resource. Just tell them what you want to do and I'll bet they'll have it figured out in 10 min...for these guys this is child's play. I just did exactly this. Not Geek Squad, but a company that specializes in this. Sounded like it would only cost about $125 plus 20 cents a foot for the CAT6 cable. Not bad. It would be worth it because I could also use the hardwire connection to my home theater setup as well (on the same floor as my stereo). Next question now -- if I get this done and can connect directly to my network (that has my main computer on it with over a TB of free hard drive space), why do I need a VBA? I don't mind leaving my main computer on. I do this a large part of the time anyway. What are the advantages of adding a VBA to such a setup? Just more storage and less power-usage? -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Once you connect two network devices you have created a network, wired or wireless. Your wife's laptop wired to Touch was a two item network. What you are proposing is another two piece wired network of VBA to Touch. What people are suggesting is to add a router to simplify your network configuration (this is a primary point of routers). So you will have an all wired network of VBA router Touch No WiFi or access to your internet needed, just your VBA music server Touch, connected by a router. -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
toby10;612125 Wrote: Once you connect two network devices you have created a network, wired or wireless. Your wife's laptop wired to Touch was a two item network. What you are proposing is another two piece wired network of VBA to Touch. What people are suggesting is to add a router to simplify your network configuration (this is a primary point of routers). So you will have an all wired network of VBA router Touch No WiFi or access to your internet needed, just your VBA music server Touch, connected by a router. No WiFi or access to your internet needed Ok, thanks. This was the answer I was seeking. I may have missed the answer (likely), but when I was trying to nail people down on whether the router would still need to be connected to the Internet it seemed like the conversation would drift to the topic of why I didn't want to connect my Touch to the rest of my home (Internet) network. I guess I'm confusing the meaning of the term network...wrongly thinking it automatically includes Internet connection. Ok so I could stick a router between a VBA and the Touch and it would likely work. Would an ethernet switch accomplish the same thing? -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
No, a switch does not have DHCP (assigns, manages, handles the network IP address'), you need a router. I'd suggest a good WiFi router, just turn of the WiFi for now. Later you may want to add additional SB players via WiFi. I know, you say no now, but just wait. ;) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Howard Turkster;612123 Wrote: Next question now -- if I get this done and can connect directly to my network (that has my main computer on it with over a TB of free hard drive space), why do I need a VBA? I don't mind leaving my main computer on. I do this a large part of the time anyway. What are the advantages of adding a VBA to such a setup? Just more storage and less power-usage? You don't need a VBA. It may draw less power than your current desktop, but if your current desktop is usually on (or at least during the times you'd be listening to music) then running a VBA _plus_ your main computer would end up in drawing more power. Another advantage of VBA is the VortexBox software itself. VortexBox is a replacement operating system, based on Fedora Linux. It can run on any Intel CPU-based computer. It is customized for media use, and comes with (a) SBS and many relevant plugins built-in and configured, (b) an auto-ripping and tagging facility for CDs, (c) a graphical user configuration interface to protect users from Linux command lines and other unfamiliar things, and (d) a bunch of other things. But while Vortexbox is great, it is a replacement operating system, and assuming you want to do other things on that main computer, installing VB on it is probably not the way you want to go. Run the ethernet. You'll be happy you did. Use your main computer to run SBS for now. Later on you can worry about changing the server, adding storage, etc. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
aubuti;612134 Wrote: .. Run the ethernet. You'll be happy you did. Use your main computer to run SBS for now. Later on you can worry about changing the server, adding storage, etc. +1 Even better. ;) -- toby10 toby10's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12553 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Howard Turkster;612123 Wrote: I just did exactly this. Not Geek Squad, but a company that specializes in this. Sounded like it would only cost about $125 plus 20 cents a foot for the CAT6 cable. Not bad. It would be worth it because I could also use the hardwire connection to my home theater setup as well (on the same floor as my stereo). Next question now -- if I get this done and can connect directly to my network (that has my main computer on it with over a TB of free hard drive space), why do I need a VBA? I don't mind leaving my main computer on. I do this a large part of the time anyway. What are the advantages of adding a VBA to such a setup? Just more storage and less power-usage? none really. The VBA is a computer running SbS. you main computer is also a computer running SbS. As long as you have one you're good to go. The VBA has some neat stuff regarding Ripping CDs (insert the CD and it automatically creates a FLAC rip and can (if you want) mirror the FLAC files to a set of mp3 versions. But all this is not neccesary. If you have your music in digital form, the VBA is not anything special other than it is a computer running SbB on your network. (this said, I really like my VBA and it is a nice server for anyone looking for such a thing). and a very good idea to run CAT6 to where you need it back to a router somewhere connected to your internet connection. At your home theatre, you'll need a small switch (maybe a 4 port) that the cat6 connects to and then you can connect 4 different devices to the switch (e.g., your DVR, a network equipped bluray player for netflix access, your TOUCH, etc.). The switch is just plug and play. It is not a router, just a way of turning one ethernet plug into 4 or more plugs. Just ask when you get to that point. -- garym garym's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17325 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
garym;612148 Wrote: At your home theatre, you'll need a small switch (maybe a 4 port) that the cat6 connects to and then you can connect 4 different devices to the switch (e.g., your DVR, a network equipped bluray player for netflix access, your TOUCH, etc.). The switch is just plug and play. It is not a router, just a way of turning one ethernet plug into 4 or more plugs. Just ask when you get to that point. In fact, the 'switch Howard just ordered' (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?p=612053#post612053) should be perfect. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Talked to Squeezebox support -- they said it is probably an issue with the network card on the Shuttle. They seemed a little miffed about my setup that didn't involve connecting to either a modem or a router. But when I told them that the netbook had no problem, they said it sounded like a network card issue. Shuttle support was no help. Although they did confirm for me that it only had Fast Ehternet and not Gigabit Ethernet as advertised on Newegg. Another disappointment. This may be going back. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Howard Turkster;611977 Wrote: Sorry to keep bumping this -- but would a crossover cable or adapter solve my problems? http://www.amazon.com/Cables-Unlimited-Cat6-Crossover-Adapter/dp/B00030BYJI Quite possibly. A router or switch will automatically adjust for the correct connection. In the old days a crossover cable was needed if one directly connected two computers without going through a switch or hub. It is quite possible that even some more recent network cards do not have this automatic adjustment. BTW, a few months ago I needed to replace a faulty 5 port switch. The replacement cost me about $15, brand new including shipping, on eBay. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
So I finally got my Shuttle barebones. Installed Windows 7 and SBS on it. When I hook it up to the Touch via ethernet and try to connect via ethernet, get this message: We were unable to find a DHCP address for the network. Then I'm asked to try again, re-enter password, or enter IP information manually. This didn't happen when I plugged my wife's netbook in. It worked right away. I'm sure I'll figure this out eventually, but anyone offer some tips that might save me some time in resolving this? -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
This is not too surprising if you are just directly connecting the Shuttle to your touch, or not connecting it to the ethernet at all. Typically you would connect to a router which is running DHCP, and is therefor serving IP addresses. Is your wife's laptop setup with a static IP address? I imagine in the configuration your trying to have, you will need to setup static (manual) IP addresses in both the Shuttle server and in your Touch. -- tcutting tcutting's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17402 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
tcutting;611727 Wrote: This is not too surprising if you are just directly connecting the Shuttle to your touch, or not connecting it to the ethernet at all. Typically you would connect to a router which is running DHCP, and is therefor serving IP addresses. Is your wife's laptop setup with a static IP address? I imagine in the configuration your trying to have, you will need to setup static (manual) IP addresses in both the Shuttle server and in your Touch. If my wife's laptop did have a static ip it was not set up by either of us. I will try to google, but any quick quides/tips for setting up statip IPs on both the Shuttle and the Touch? -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
ste1;610358 Wrote: yes - good point. more data pathway I suppose. still - I believe in keeping things simple so will see if omitting some of the unecessary signal transfer steps positively affects what happens when it comes to the Touch delivering spdif output to my dac.. It does not matter at all, unless you get stutter because a bad conection, it's a pure data path ( not spdif ) If that reasoning where corect, my lossles downloads bougth on hd tracks in usa would sound really bad to me where i live on another continent. It's actually the same protocoll tcp/ ip over ethernet. So it's not an audio pathway . Makes the same difference as carrying a cd a different way from it's storage place to the CD player. So the audi path begins in the touch -- Mnyb Main hifi: Touch + CIA PS +MeridianG68J MeridianHD621 MeridianG98DH 2 x MeridianDSP5200 MeridianDSP5200HC 2 xMeridianDSP3100 +Rel Stadium 3 sub. Bedroom/Office: Boom Kitchen: SB3 + powered Fostex PM0.4 Misc use: Radio (with battery) iPad 64gB wifi +3g with iPengHD SqueezePad Mnyb's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=4143 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Howard Turkster;611728 Wrote: If my wife's laptop did have a static ip it was not set up by either of us. I will try to google, but any quick quides/tips for setting up statip IPs on both the Shuttle and the Touch? I'm having some problems with this. I tried setting what I thought was a static ip address on the Shuttle, and then entered that manually on the Touch, and does not work. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
sorry, I'm a bit late it seems. About a cheap server solution: I've been running a SheevaPlug with the Squeezeplug image 24/7 for almost a year now without any problem. Of course, it doesn't have much horse power, but depending on what you need it might also do the job for you. http://squeezeplug.de/ just my 2 cents. -- juzi juzi's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=36145 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
KMorgan;610237 Wrote: Phil In the 2 years I've been visiting this forum I've come to regard your's as the 100% voice of reason. Keep it up. K Totally agree! Phil is the main reason I enjoy this forum and keep coming back. Logitech should have him on their payroll -- Eriko Eriko's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=38520 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Eriko;610296 Wrote: Totally agree! Phil is the main reason I enjoy this forum and keep coming back. Logitech should have him on their payroll erm.. thanks(blush) I think there are many folks on here that make a vital contribution - that's the main reason I stay here! -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - INGUZ DRC - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
It seems that the OP is connecting his Touch directly to his (wife's) Netbook via a piece of ethernet cable. I thought SB devices had to go via a router? Touchrouterserver Is this assumption incorrect and you can use the Touch connected directly to server running SBS? And then can you connect from server to the internet for Spotify etc and get this to work on Touch? TouchServerrouter Is this set up workable with ipeng? -- ste1 ste1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23522 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
ste1;610309 Wrote: It seems that the OP is connecting his Touch directly to his (wife's) Netbook via a piece of ethernet cable. I thought SB devices had to go via a router? Touchrouterserver Is this assumption incorrect and you can use the Touch connected directly to server running SBS? And then can you connect from server to the internet for Spotify etc and get this to work on Touch? TouchServerrouter Is this set up workable with ipeng? You definitely don't NEED a router - you just need an IP route from SBS server to SB player. A cable between the 2 will work. You wouldn't normally wire it this way if you have a router/dsl gateway (as most people do) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - INGUZ DRC - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Phil Leigh;610311 Wrote: You definitely don't NEED a router - you just need an IP route from SBS server to SB player. A cable between the 2 will work. You wouldn't normally wire it this way if you have a router/dsl gateway (as most people do) ok - thanks. In the interests of 'simplifying' the audio pathway I'll give this a go as currently my set up is quite long: touchethernethomeplugancient mainshomelugethernetrouterethernetserverall the way back again it used to be longer before i got a netbook with HDD as my server;) touchethernethomeplugancient mainshomelugethernetrouterwirelssserverwirlessrouterethernetNASethenetrouterwirelessserverand all the way back again. -- ste1 ste1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23522 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Go ahead and try it out, but recognize that the chain you describe is the audio pathway in only the loosest sense of the term. Your schematic omits the real audio pathway, which is what happens starting from the Touch's outputs. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
aubuti;610317 Wrote: Go ahead and try it out, but recognize that the chain you describe is the audio pathway in only the loosest sense of the term. Your schematic omits the real audio pathway, which is what happens starting from the Touch's outputs. yes - good point. more data pathway I suppose. still - I believe in keeping things simple so will see if omitting some of the unecessary signal transfer steps positively affects what happens when it comes to the Touch delivering spdif output to my dac.. -- ste1 ste1's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=23522 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
If you put the server elsewhere, the level of quality of parts as it relates to noise generated in the listening environment stops being an issue. I use an aging laptop w/ a music storage USB HDD and it runs XP. Its so old I had to add a USB 2.0 PCMCIA card. It is running on wired ethernet and lives in a 1/2 bath/ laundry room. The processor is about 1GHZ and there is 512MB RAM. My experience is that SBS doesn't require that much in the way of resources. Vortex Box software (Fedora linux) is free and includes SBS, is another possibility. If running wired is a problem, another wireless router running in bridge mode (or a wireles access point) can connect to your internet router. Powerline ethernet gets derided for adding noise to your powerlines but I've yet to find an actual case of this happening, and can save crawling around in an attic or crawlspace. This still allows you to shut off the wlan card which generates electrical noise. Good luck. -- lcrim lcrim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1626 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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aubuti;609895 Wrote: mcr, re your questions about this pc. From the spec sheet at newegg.com: 1) it has at least 4 USB ports on the back, so if your drive is USB, no problem 2) if all it's doing is serving music I would think that CPU and 2GB would be fine. 1GB may work, but why bother when you're talking maybe $10 tops. If you're thinking Windows then definitely go 2GB. 3) that has gotten to be a religious question around here. my god says no 4) safe version of Windows is an oxymoron, but use whatever you're comfortable with. Usually Linux is better at server applications that you just want to run without a lot of intervention. And Linux usually makes better use of lower end hardware, especially because you don't have to run a gui. Although maybe WHS is comparable in this regard, I really don't know. Also, who wants to shell out $100, or even $50, for a Windows license when Linux is free? Thanks. This is quite reassuring, as all I really want is to build a simple-minded appliance, on the cheap, that will run Squeezebox server and pump digital music signal (PCM) into my Touch via ethernet cable. A non-intrusive appliance, such as this Shuttle, which I can shove in the corner, behind the curtains, far away from the eyes, an appliance that is fanless and quiet as a mouse, networked, can access my music library, and thus free my iMac to do its other chores. Me think that's not too much to ask. And for less than $300, it's the sweet spot. All I'm enquiring about at this point is are there any pitfalls to that plan? And from what I'm hearing so far, there aren't any. Thanks again! P.S. The only thing I'm still not sure about is whether the supplied CPU 2 GB of RAM can deal with the task of doing the heavy lifting while converting FLAC, WAV etc. to PCM on the fly, before streaming PCM to the Touch? -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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magiccarpetride;610058 Wrote: P.S. The only thing I'm still not sure about is whether the supplied CPU 2 GB of RAM can deal with the task of doing the heavy lifting while converting FLAC, WAV etc. to PCM on the fly, before streaming PCM to the Touch? Fwiw, my MSI barebone (now discontinued, but here's the link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167032) has 2GB RAM and an Atom 230 and has no problem converting FLAC to PCM when I experiment with that. I am pretty sure the Atom 230 is less powerful than the Atom 530 that is in the Shuttle computer. Do listen to lcrim's advice about not keeping it in your listening room. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
aubuti;610069 Wrote: Fwiw, my MSI barebone (now discontinued, but here's the link: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856167032) has 2GB RAM and an Atom 230 and has no problem converting FLAC to PCM when I experiment with that. I am pretty sure the Atom 230 is less powerful than the Atom 530 that is in the Shuttle computer. Do listen to lcrim's advice about not keeping it in your listening room. Is Shuttle that noisy? I'm keeping my iMac in my listening room, and so far haven't noticed any noise that would interfere with my critical listening. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
I'm not saying the Shuttle is particularly noisy. I've never heard one, but it's probably much less noisy than the average pc, because it's fanless and has a 2.5 HDD. But from the way you have described your critical listening (including concerns about unnecessary noise and interference with the digital signal that is flowing into the Touch) I wouldn't have imagined you'd have a computer in the room. Just goes to show: some people can't detect an audible difference between wifi and ethernet, and some people can't detect an audible difference between the presence or absence of a running computer in the room. I know I can detect the latter (if it has a mechanical hard disk). Go figure. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
magiccarpetride;610058 Wrote: ...P.S. The only thing I'm still not sure about is whether the supplied CPU 2 GB of RAM can deal with the task of doing the heavy lifting while converting FLAC, WAV etc. to PCM on the fly, before streaming PCM to the Touch? Converting wav to pcm doesn't require any heavy lifting (even converting flac to PCM hardly requires very much cpu!) -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - INGUZ DRC - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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magiccarpetride;610092 Wrote: (some very sensible stuff)... That is why we can definitely hear improvements after applying Soundcheck's mods... Please stop stating this as fact - it isn't, it's just your opinion (to which you are perfectly entitled). we (whoever that is) definitely can't all hear the same thing. Some people will DEFINITELY not hear any changes. Anyone who hears a difference (good or bad) after the ttvol100 mod is taking some fantastically good chemicals :-) Before I get jumped on (again) I'm not saying that none of the mods work. I do find it extremely odd that no-one has yet come up with a mod that makes the sound worse by loading the cpu (e.g with a spin-loop)... -- Phil Leigh You want to see the signal path BEFORE it gets onto a CD/vinyl...it ain't what you'd call minimal... Touch(wired/XP) - INGUZ DRC - MF Triplethreat(Audiocom full mods) - Linn 5103 - Aktiv 5.1 system (6x LK140's, ESPEK/TRIKAN/KATAN/SEIZMIK 10.5), Pekin Tuner, Townsend Supertweeters, Blue Jeans Digital,Kimber Speaker Chord Interconnect cables Kitchen Boom, Outdoors: SB Radio, Harmony One remote for everything. Phil Leigh's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=85 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Phil Leigh;610106 Wrote: Please stop stating this as fact - it isn't, it's just your opinion (to which you are perfectly entitled). My opinion IS a fact, in fact. Phil Leigh;610106 Wrote: we (whoever that is) definitely can't all hear the same thing. This is true. It was Heraclitus, I believe, who said you can't enter the same river twice. Phil Leigh;610106 Wrote: Some people will DEFINITELY not hear any changes. True as well. Some people get drunk after drinking one glass of beer, some people remain unfazed after gulping a six pack in a single sitting. I have news for you -- people differ, no two persons are the same (and, for what it's worth, even a single person tends to change from day to day). Phil Leigh;610106 Wrote: Anyone who hears a difference (good or bad) after the ttvol100 mod is taking some fantastically good chemicals :-) Please stop stating this as fact - it isn't, it's just your opinion (to which you are perfectly entitled). Phil Leigh;610106 Wrote: Before I get jumped on (again) I'm not saying that none of the mods work. OK, so what the fuck ARE you saying then? Phil Leigh;610106 Wrote: BI do find it extremely odd that no-one has yet come up with a mod that makes the sound worse by loading the cpu (e.g with a spin-loop)... Please try to realize that people do have a life. Not everyone is in the exact same position that you are in, to have plenty of free time on their hands with nothing better to do but piss their days away measuring some inane shit. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
BTW, it looks like the Shuttle XS35-704 model is back up to $290 at Newegg, but last check Amazon still had it at $270 shipped. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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magiccarpetride;610130 Wrote: OK, so what the fuck ARE you saying then? magiccarpetride;610130 Wrote: Please try to realize that people do have a life. Not everyone is in the exact same position that you are in, to have plenty of free time on their hands with nothing better to do but piss their days away measuring some inane shit. magiccarpetride;609386 Wrote: You are obviously a very intelligent person who'll never stoop to the level of personality obsessions and ad hominem attacks that some of the more deranged and delusional patients around here suffer from. Are you trying to earn yourself a ban? -- chill chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Phil In the 2 years I've been visiting this forum I've come to regard your's as the 100% voice of reason. Keep it up. K -- KMorgan - Sorry, can't spare enough hours today for that 5 min job on the computer. KMorgan's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=22838 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Wanted to follow-up and say thanks again to everyone for all the great input. This really is a great forum. Also, wanted to say that, after some more vigorous research and tearing my hair out going back-and-forth with different options and possibilities, I finally decided on a server solution that I'm pretty excited about. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856101096 Ends up being a little pricier than I wanted, but I had the option of going with the model one step down with half the storage and RAM and without the optical drive for only $175 shipped (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856101095) Was very pleased with these options as they saved some $s over the Vortexbox Appliance. I do lose out on HDD size and the CD-ripping ability, but I gain in processor power and RAM. A good tradeoff for me as my library is only 130 GBs and I don't see myself doubling it any time soon. Love that it's fanless. MUCH better option than looking at some of the old outdated Vostro desktops I thought. It also has Gigabit ethernet which the netbooks I was looking at did not. Another consideration was going with one of the barebones combos that included CPU/processor, and then just adding the HDD and RAM myself, but in the end I felt the savings weren't large enough to overcome the convenience and nice design of what I was getting. Thought I'd share for anybody else in the market in a similar situation. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Interesting box. I don't understand why they call it barebones when it includes RAM, HDD, and DVD drive, but whatever. I don't think you'll regret having more RAM and HDD space than you think you need now. Enjoy. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
aubuti;609839 Wrote: Interesting box. *I don't understand why they call it barebones when it includes RAM, HDD, and DVD drive, but whatever.* I don't think you'll regret having more RAM and HDD space than you think you need now. Enjoy. Yeah I thought that strange, too. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Howard Turkster;608567 Wrote: Is this opinion universally held here? Trust me I didn't expect to hear much of a difference when I tried the ethernet connection -- I stubbornly had been running a HDD directly to the Touch for months cause I didn't think there would be a difference -- but was completely blown away when I tried it. (And I had connected via wifi prior to the HDD). Since I have it connected via ethernet, I literally haven't turned the music off during waking hours, it sounds so much better. It is smoother, less-fatiguing, and if I may mix metaphors, sounds like the difference between 'listening in 2d' vs. 3d. I have found the same - Ethernet was significantly different sounding than WIFI. I have explained this before - I though at first it was just a loudness difference. Then ethernet seemed more forward, and clinical. I switched back to WIFI and stayed with it for some time, thinking it was more analog - more forgiving. What I realized is that ethernet sounded bigger. Bigger bandwidth possibly. More real. Larger soundstage. Clearer and better transients also. Overall, I would conclude the sound is better. -- earwaxer9 System: modified Winsome Labs Mouse, modified Maggie MMG's, Transporter, HSU sub 12, MSB DAC to 500 watt sub slave amp, JPS labs power cords, Silver audio interconnect, Audioquest Granite speaker cable. earwaxer9's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39527 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Howard Turkster;609833 Wrote: Wanted to follow-up and say thanks again to everyone for all the great input. This really is a great forum. Also wanted to say that, after more vigorous research and tearing my hair out going back-and-forth with different options and possibilities, I finally decided on a server solution that I'm pretty excited about. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856101096 Ends up being a little pricier than I wanted, but I had the option of going with the model one step down with half the storage and RAM and without the optical drive for only $175 shipped (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16856101095), which I almost did, but I decided to splurge I guess. Was very pleased with these options as they saved some $s over the Vortexbox Appliance. I do lose out on HDD size and the CD-ripping ability, but I gain in RAM and, unlike the netbook alternatives I was looking at, the processor is dual-core. A good tradeoff for me as my library is only 130 GBs and I don't see myself doubling it any time soon. Love that it's fanless. MUCH better option than looking at some of the old outdated Vostro desktops IMO. Also unlike the netbooks I had been looking at it has Gigabit ethernet. Another consideration was going with one of the barebones combos that included CPU/processor, and then just adding the HDD and RAM myself, but in the end I felt the savings weren't large enough to overcome the convenience and nice design of what I was getting. Thought I'd share for anybody else in the market in a similar situation. Thanks for sharing this, Howard. I am also actively looking at the 'separation of concerns', meaning that I'd like to have a dedicated appliance that will only serve digital music via ethernet cable into my Touch, and leave my iMac for other chores. I have a few questions regarding this Shuttle appliance: 1. I am planning to attach an external hard drive containing my music library to the appliance. Is that a viable option with this product? 2. I have configured my Squeezebox server to convert all non-native formats (i.e. FLAC, WAV, etc.) to PCM before streaming to the Touch. Will the Intel Atom CPU be up to the snuff when it comes doing so much number crunching on the fly? Also, would I need 2GB or RAM, or will 1GB suffice for that task? Please keep in mind that my library of high definition, 24 bit/96 kHz music is growing very rapidly. 3. This Shuttle being on the lower price end, I'm assuming that it's made using the least expensive parts. Would that produce unnecessary noise and interference with the digital signal that is flowing into the Touch? 4. Finally, should I install Linux/Ubuntu, or some safe version of Windows on this appliance? I know these are a lot to ask, but I'm hoping some experts on this forum could guide me in my efforts to create a music serving appliance. Thanks. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
aubuti;609839 Wrote: Interesting box. I don't understand why they call it barebones when it includes RAM, HDD, and DVD drive, but whatever. It's because there is no OS installed, meaning you can't just plug it in and go. You need to install the OS first, then configure it. -- magiccarpetride magiccarpetride's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37863 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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yeah, that is probably why. Still, most other computers marketed as barebone, including others in the Shuttle line, do not come with RAM or HDD (and therefore no OS either). -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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mcr, re your questions about this pc. From the spec sheet at newegg.com: 1) it has at least 4 USB ports on the back, so if your drive is USB, no problem 2) if all it's doing is serving music I would think that CPU and 2GB would be fine. 1GB may work, but why bother when you're talking maybe $10 tops. If you're thinking Windows then definitely go 2GB. 3) that has gotten to be a religious question around here. my god says no 4) safe version of Windows is an oxymoron, but use whatever you're comfortable with. Usually Linux is better at server applications that you just want to run without a lot of intervention. And Linux usually makes better use of lower end hardware, especially because you don't have to run a gui. Although maybe WHS is comparable in this regard, I really don't know. Also, who wants to shell out $100, or even $50, for a Windows license when Linux is free? -- aubuti Nothing high-end, but music anywhere I want it, and it's '100% wind powered' (http://www.cleancurrents.com/). MSI Wind nettop (Debian Lenny 5.0.6) feeding: Living room: SB Touch + SBC NAD C325 BEE Vandersteen 1; Kitchen/Dining: SB2 + SBC AudioSource Amp100 2 pair of Polk RC60i; Basement: SB2 JVC JA-S44 ESS Tempest LS8; Bedroom: Boom; Study:SB Radio; Backyard deck: Duet AudioSource Amp100 Polk Atrium 45; Kid's bedroom: SB3 Klipsch ProMedia 2.0; Limbo:SBR http://www.last.fm/user/aubuti/ aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Phil Leigh;608764 Wrote: No it isn't. You should hear it right now! :) It's singing to me! It's awesome. :) -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Le 05.02.2011 02:31, Howard Turkster a écrit : I posted a thread this morning about connecting a HDD directly to the Touch and preferring its sound to streaming it wirelessly. Even went so far as to consider 'upggrading' the usb cable :) (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85405) Well I figured before I do that I should figure how this thing sounds hooked up via ethernet to a computer running the SBS. Had never tried this because my home computer is on a different level of the house and hadn't been imaginiative enough to consider cheap server possibilities. Anyway, I put a good amount of music on my wife's netbook, installed SBS, and plugged it in via ethernet. And WOW! I don't think I'll be going back to running TinySB or to streaming wirelessly ever again if I can help it. I have run my system before on a Rega Apollo cd player and other Rotel players and frankly I think this is the best it has ever sounded. Only problem is I can't use my wife's netbook forever. What cheap solutions are out there for me. Would this work? http://www.recoupit.com/Desktops/Dell/Optiplex-GX270/Dell-Optiplex-GX270-Computer-p9463103.html Same WOW experience. I recently installed a Touch. My audio files (flac and wav) are on a ReadyNas Ultra, running SBS 7.5.3, on a dedicated network, ethernet connected to the Touch, itself connected by SPDIF to my audio system. My laptop is thus not needed, I use the Touch like i use a CD player. (I use the laptop only to transfer ripped CD files to the NAS). To my ear, the sound is VERY good, at least as good than from CDs played from my CD player (Oppo 83 SE). ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
I run SBS on a spare Dell Mini 9 netbook that I had lying around. The nice thing about this model is that it uses a small (4GB) SSD drive, so the machine is 100% silent when idle. For music storage, I bought a 640GB notebook drive, put it in a copper external case, and have that running off USB bus power. The drive spins up when music is needed, but that's essentially noiseless, too. I have it set to spin down when it hasn't been used for 20 minutes. No, it's not exactly the ideal server solution, but considering it was pretty much made from parts that I had lying around, it tucks in nicely behind things, and it's silent, I'm perfectly satisfied with it. Be a little wary of some of the netbook and nettop machines out there because many have small fans that might drive you crazy after a while. If you can find a Mini 9 for cheap, I'd say grab it. -- Pugnax555 Pugnax555's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=37609 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
I solved this by using a coax adapter. If you have cable outlets near your Touch and the PC where your music is stored it is easy to set up. In my case my cable modem already sends the network signal over the coax (Verizon Fios), so I only needed one adapter. Works great, and as an added bonus I now have a wired connection to my network-ready bluray player. -- cjfreitag cjfreitag's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41363 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Howard Turkster;608470 Wrote: So do people drill holes in their floors and ceilings and run the ethernet cable that way? Is that what you mean? I don't know if I really want to go to that kind of trouble. Yes, although the holes in the floors and ceilings are generally done _inside_ the wall. It's not as if there is an ethernet cord hanging from the ceiling when you're done. Instead it runs to a wall plate on the wall or baseboard. Just like we've been doing with telephone lines, electrical wiring, and cable tv for years. Frequently it is a real pain to do it in existing construction, but I've been surprised how many easy routes I have found to add ethernet around the house without opening up a wall. And of course when we did an addition the cat5e cable went in while the walls were open. -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
aubuti;608524 Wrote: Yes, although the holes in the floors and ceilings are generally done _inside_ the wall. It's not as if there is an ethernet cord hanging from the ceiling when you're done. Instead it runs to a wall plate on the wall or baseboard. Just like we've been doing with telephone lines, electrical wiring, and cable tv for years. Frequently it is a real pain to do it in existing construction, but I've been surprised how many easy routes I have found to add ethernet around the house without opening up a wall. And of course when we did an addition the cat5e cable went in while the walls were open. The room housing my primary computer is directly above the room with the Touch and audio system. So could I drill a hole in the wall (eventually installing a wall plate) and drop a wire down through the wall? :) How easy or hard would that be to run the wire down? -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Howard Turkster;608467 Wrote: I had never heard of this. Looks quite intriguing. Would it provide the same 'quality' of signal as a direct connection to a computer?... i.e. will I still hear the same improvements I heard when I went from streaming wireless to ethernet? It doesn't matter whether your data is delivered by from your computer by direct Ethernet cable, powerline Ethernet or wifi. The same data will still be transferred and so the quality of the transmitted data is identical. This is easily testable and provable. Some people will say they can hear the difference between different types network connections. In theory the different devices involved could introduce different levels/qualities of electro magnetic interference, which could in theory effect the performance of the audio side of the player. Whether you believe that such differences are audible or that one is better than another is up to you to decide. If I were you I'd opt for the powerline Ethernet approach. Get a couple of 85mb/s Devolo adapters. They are the easiest bits of network kit you'll ever use, plug them in and 2 seconds later you'll be up and running. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
andynormancx;608538 Wrote: It doesn't matter whether your data is delivered by from your computer by direct Ethernet cable, powerline Ethernet or wifi. The same data will still be transferred and so the quality of the transmitted data is identical. This is easily testable and provable. I agree with this. The main advantage to hardwiring is going to be the added bandwidth and avoidance of dropouts. I can't say that my Touch sounds any better since I wired it up, but I don't get any dropouts when listening to high bitrate files (FLAC audio or 320k radio streams] andynormancx;608538 Wrote: If I were you I'd opt for the powerline Ethernet approach. Get a couple of 85mb/s Devolo adapters. They are the easiest bits of network kit you'll ever use, plug them in and 2 seconds later you'll be up and running. I almost went the powerline route, but after reading a lot online I concluded that the MoCa (internet over coax) was a better solution for me given the age of my house and the state of its wiring. Here is the hardware I went with: http://www.netgear.com/home/products/powerline-and-coax/high-performance/MCAB1001.aspx -- cjfreitag cjfreitag's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=41363 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
andynormancx;608538 Wrote: It doesn't matter whether your data is delivered by from your computer by direct Ethernet cable, powerline Ethernet or wifi. The same data will still be transferred and so the quality of the transmitted data is identical. This is easily testable and provable. Some people will say they can hear the difference between different types network connections. In theory the different devices involved could introduce different levels/qualities of electro magnetic interference, which could in theory effect the performance of the audio side of the player. Whether you believe that such differences are audible or that one is better than another is up to you to decide. If I were you I'd opt for the powerline Ethernet approach. Get a couple of 85mb/s Devolo adapters. They are the easiest bits of network kit you'll ever use, plug them in and 2 seconds later you'll be up and running. If I WERE one of those anti-science voodoo believers that believes in differences in sound quality among differing connections ;) . would the powerline Ethernet be closer to the wifi or closer to hard-wired Ethernet? i.e, if I already don't like the wifi, would powerline Ethernet set me up for similar disappointment? Or is it known to be fairly similar to hard-wired Ethernet? -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
aubuti;608541 Wrote: Pretty easy if it is an interior wall, and more challenging if it's an exterior wall because exterior walls tend to be filled with insulation. In either case it's good to know if any plumbing or electrical lines run in the space you're looking at. A 'fish tape' (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fish_tape) is a handy tool when pulling wires through walls. Personally I hate doing plaster or drywall stuff (my wife hates it more when I do it) so I end up using surface mount jacks on the baseboard. I terminate the cable using RJ-45 jacks like these (http://www.broadbandutopia.com/levquicsnapc1.html). For a simple direct connection I use a 'surface mount housing like this' (http://images1.cableorganizer.com/leviton/surface-mounts/images/02-2-port.jpg)). I think 'flush-mounted wall plates' (http://www.vpi.us/catacc-plates.html) look better, but they involve cutting into the wall. Some people don't use any jacks, and instead have a cable with the RJ-45 plug sticking out of the wall or floor like a pigtail. Don't do that. Not only is it ugly, but using the jacks is much more flexible, as you can put the equipment anywhere you want, and then use an ethernet patch cord of the correct length to connect to the jacks. TYVM. Appreciate the insight/knowledge. I am not too handy, but my bro-in-law is somewhat handy (as is my wife... she does all the drywall, lol). I'll talk it over with them to see if they think it is feasible. The computer room already has an ethernet jack in the wall that would run down to the touch. And if fact, the computer is almost directly above the Touch and the audio system. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
cjfreitag;608552 Wrote: I agree with this. The main advantage to hardwiring is going to be the added bandwidth and avoidance of dropouts. I can't say that my Touch sounds any better since I wired it up, but I don't get any dropouts when listening to high bitrate files (FLAC audio or 320k radio streams] I almost went the powerline route, but after reading a lot online I concluded that the MoCa (internet over coax) was a better solution for me given the age of my house and the state of its wiring. Here is the hardware I went with: http://www.netgear.com/home/products/powerline-and-coax/high-performance/MCAB1001.aspx Thanks. My entire library is FLAC or 320 kbps mp3 (I figure that's what most people aronund here have). Would that be problematic? I guess I could try out the powerline adapter and return if doesn't go well. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Is the ethernet jack in the wall already connected to something else, or is just the faceplate and jack with no cable running out? If it's just a placeholder then part of the job is done. If it's an interior wall and a straight drop down then it should be pretty easy, especially if your wife can deal with the dry wall at the other end :-) -- aubuti aubuti's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=2074 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Also do you use an 85 mbps or 200 mbps? Unless I find out differently I'd probably be inclined just to try 200 mbps to be safe. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
aubuti;608560 Wrote: Is the ethernet jack in the wall already connected to something else, or is just the faceplate and jack with no cable running out? If it's just a placeholder then part of the job is done. If it's an interior wall and a straight drop down then it should be pretty easy, especially if your wife can deal with the dry wall at the other end :-) No it's handling the DSL connection to my computer. But I figure the 'hole' is already there and I could remove the plate to run wire down and replace with a dual jack plate? It's not an interior wall, though. :( -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Howard Turkster;608553 Wrote: If I WERE one of those anti-science voodoo believers that believes in differences in sound quality among differing connections ;) . would the powerline Ethernet be closer to the wifi or closer to hard-wired Ethernet? i.e, if I already don't like the wifi, would powerline Ethernet set me up for similar disappointment? Or is it known to be fairly similar to hard-wired Ethernet? Hello Howard, nice topic and discussion you have going here. Trust me, there is absolutely no difference between which method you choice (Ethernet, WiFi, Powerline Ethernet, Cable Ethernet) to do when it come to the music/audio quality, none period! Every method used ends with the same means, check sum verified data transfer IE it all has to be correct or its resent. We are also talking of the transfer of data here (Ones and Zeros) as it is turned into analog music in the player hence there is no music signal to be affected by whatever data delivery method you decide to use. For some reason a bunch of people start thinking analog music once the data has left the computer when it is still only digital data consisting of Ones and Zeros. And digital data that isn't analog music yet is extremely hard to corrupt as a dirty Zero is still a perfect Zero. What can differ is the reliability/integrity of the Data being delivered. Just as it is best not to go WiFi wireless from Server to Router to Squeezebox because this involves two wireless hops. My personal believe is that Ethernet is the most reliable followed by Cable Ethernet then Powerline Ethernet, then WiFi. Also don't over read into this as WiFi done right can be just as reliable as Ethernet its just more work to get it right. If it were me (and I haven't seen your home), I would go with a WiFi router since the Server is directly above the Touch. Even the worst WiFi router made should have no trouble going though a single floor. But this is assuming you don't live in an apartment or housing area where your neighbors house is only 21 inches away from yours (high density of WiFi routers usage which can cause interference). As to Server choice, if you go WiFi you can use the up stairs PC and have the bonus of having a WiFi network in the house and the laptop (if it has WiFi) can be a Controller using the WebUI. Or you could still look at a dedicated SBS Server being upstairs using WiFI or in the listening room. An Atom Motherboard makes a great dedicated SBS Server with Vortexbox installed (the ISO is free) or take an old PC and install Vortexbox on it. So IMO, WiFi is the easiest as long as one can install an interference free network (using NetStumbler helps identify other networks and pick the best channel to use). Powerline Ethernet is fairly easy but is more expensive the just running Ethernet cables. -- iPhone *iPhone* Media Room: Transporter, VTL TL-6.5 Signature Pre-Amp, Ayre MX-R Mono's, VeraStarr 6.4SE 6-channel Amp, Vandersteen Speakers: Quatro Wood Mains, VCC-5 Reference Center, four VSM-1 Signatures, Video: Runco RS 900 CineWide AutoScope 2.35:1, Vandersteen V2W Subwoofer Living Room: Duet, ADCOM GTP-870HD, Cinepro 3K6SE III Gold, Vandersteen Model 3A Signature, Two 2Wq subs, VCC-2, Two VSM-1 Kitchen: Touch in-wall mount w/ ceiling speakers Bedroom: Squeezebox BOOM Bathroom: Squeezebox Radio Ford Thunderbird: Duet, Mac Mini Ford Expedition: SB Touch, USB drive iPhone's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=13622 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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iPhone;608565 Wrote: Hello Howard, nice topic and discussion you have going here. Trust me, there is absolutely no difference between which method you choice (Ethernet, WiFi, Powerline Ethernet, Cable Ethernet) to do when it come to the music/audio quality, none period! Is this opinion universally held here? Trust me I didn't expect to hear much of a difference when I tried the ethernet connection -- I stubbornly had been running a HDD directly to the Touch for months cause I didn't think there would be a difference -- but was completely blown away when I tried it. Since I have it connected via ethernet, I literally haven't turned the music off during waking hours, it sounds so much better. It is smoother, less-fatiguing, and if I may mix metaphors, sounds like the difference between 'listening in 2d' vs. 3d. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Howard Turkster;608561 Wrote: Also do you use an 85 mbps or 200 mbps? Unless I find out differently I'd probably be inclined just to try 200 mbps to be safe. You don't need the speed of the 200 mbps ones for FLAC (or even WAV) streaming, 85 is more than enough. However if you have crappy mains wiring the 200mbps ones can punch through more noise than the 85mbps ones, resulting in more usable bandwidth. -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Your experience in running the Touch via wired ethernet is fairly typical. Its difficult not to notice the imppovement. As in most things audio, there has been a vocal minority on this site that clings to strict manufacturer's doctrines denying all user innovation in the use of the Touch. Please see http://soundcheck-audio.blogspot.com/2011/01/soundchecks-squeezebox-touch-toolbox-20.html to learn more about this. -- lcrim lcrim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1626 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
lcrim;608574 Wrote: Your experience in running the Touch via wired ethernet is fairly typical We should take care not to let this thread fork into another discussion of soundcheck's mods, but I think it's worth noting that a possible reason for differing opinions on the importance of the connection type could simply be that some people are using the RCA analogue outputs, and some are using a separate DAC. If you're using a DAC that's robust against jitter and RF interference, then it really doesn't matter how you get the bits to the player. If you're using the RCA outputs, then all sort of other things can possibly come into play. I'm not sure that enough reports have been explicit about setup to be able to draw conclusions about what's a typical experience. -- chill chill's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=10839 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
chill;608578 Wrote: We should take care not to let this thread fork into another discussion of soundcheck's mods, but I think it's worth noting that a possible reason for differing opinions on the importance of the connection type could simply be that some people are using the RCA analogue outputs, and some are using a separate DAC. If you're using a DAC that's robust against jitter and RF interference, then it really doesn't matter how you get the bits to the player. If you're using the RCA outputs, then all sorts of other things can possibly come into play. I'm not sure that enough reports have been explicit about setup to be able to draw conclusions about what's a typical experience. Here, here. I've tried most of the variations in transport to the touch, be it wireless, ethernat, magic and found zero difference in the sound quality. Now some would say that my equipment isn't good enough to be able to tell the difference. I say these people have started to listen to the system rather than listening to the music. If it sounds good to you, that's good enough. For my two' penneth (2 cents) then I would go wired ethernet. Once it's in it's done and can be forgotten about to allow you to concentrate on the music. Gerry. -- Gerry123 Gerry123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
See what I mean? Its also the reason I don't post much here. Try the PC based forum over @ http://www.diyaudio.com/forums/index.php -- lcrim lcrim's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=1626 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
chill;608578 Wrote: We should take care not to let this thread fork into another discussion of soundcheck's mods, but I think it's worth noting that a possible reason for differing opinions on the importance of the connection type could simply be that some people are using the RCA analogue outputs, and some are using a separate DAC. If you're using a DAC that's robust against jitter and RF interference, then it really doesn't matter how you get the bits to the player. If you're using the RCA outputs, then all sorts of other things can possibly come into play. I'm not sure that enough reports have been explicit about setup to be able to draw conclusions about what's a typical experience. There's no doubt that the correct bits get to the player's buffer no matter what transport mechanism is used to get them there. But at any point in the signal path during or after the conversion to analog, there can be an impact of power supply noise on the quality of the analog signal, as well as RF pick-up from the built-in WiFi transmitter on PCB traces on a few cm away from the WiFi antenna. Once RF pick-up at 2.4GHz does occur, it could easily be subject to parasitic rectification due to any semiconductors in the signal path that have a square-law term to their non-linearity. WiFi signals are not constant amplitude, unless you are using 802.11b, so some AM conversion to audio is possible from the very close proximity WiFi antenna. So, I would say there are plausible mechanisms within the laws of physics for sound to be different with WiFi turned on vs. off. Also, if the processor load changes the drain in the power supply, the ideality of the d.c. power supply may change in terms or residual ripple and digital hash, not withstanding that separate digital and analog power supply regulators are used to isolate them as much as possible. However, it should be noted that Stereophile's measurements did not indicate any real sign of trouble, when looking for low levels of noise and jitter. http://www.stereophile.com/content/logitech-squeezebox-touch-network-music-player-measurements JA states at one point: Finally, the Squeezebox Touch's jitter performance remained unchanged, whether it was playing the 16-bit diagnostic Miller-Dunn tone via WiFi or stored on a USB-connected drive. Of course, he did not try ethernet, but the impact of WiFi being in use on these very sensitive measurements seems to be very well controlled indeed. Figure 9 is measured with WiFi being used as the data source. JA didn't specifically go looking for differences between the performance between the three interfaces (WiFi, ethernet and USB), but he notably didn't find anything adverse to publish about the performance using the (arguably) more vulnerable of these. -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
In other words, drill some holes, drop some cables, plug it in, listen to music. -- Gerry123 Gerry123's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=31336 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Gerry123;608610 Wrote: In other words, drill some holes, drop some cables, plug it in, listen to music. Yep, that would definitely work! -- dsdreamer -- Dreamer, easy in the chair that really fits you... dsdreamer's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=12588 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
lcrim;608574 Wrote: Your experience in running the Touch via wired ethernet is fairly typical. Its difficult not to notice the improvement. As in most things audio, there has been a vocal minority on this site that clings to strict manufacturer's doctrines denying all user innovation in the use of the Touch. One can argue endlessly as to which group is the vocal minority and which is in the majority. Similarly, it doesn't take much for the high school quality Ford vs Chevy debates to deteriorate into implied or outright impugning - Your system isn't resolving enough, Your hearing or training is no good, Your mother wears army boots and so on. I suspect the true reality is the vast majority of Touch users simply turn on the device and listen to music with great enjoyment without worrying too much about wires, connection types and so on. It is the minority that obsesses over minutiae, no matter which end of the stick they chase. Regardless in which camp one resides, each person is free to pursue their hobby as they see fit. Sometimes that means the obsessives are doing something that does make a difference (but just doesn't matter to most) and other times they may just be feeding a vivid imagination. It doesn't really matter as long as that individual is getting the enjoyment they want. -- mlsstl mlsstl's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=9598 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Well turns out I possessed and had used an ethernet powerline adapter without even knowing it. I had a SlingLink to connenct a Slingbox to the Internet. Didn't even realize what it *was* and that it could be used with other equipment. So I used it to connect my Touch to my main computer upstairs. Unfortunately I think I sill much prefer the netbook (or whatever I end up replacing it with) direct ethernet connection. So it seems again it's either drilling holes and dropping wire or finding a cheap server solution (for me, $200 or under). Either way it's a good dilemna because I'm loving the sound I'm getting. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
This cheap server isn't going to be in the room you are listening, right ? -- andynormancx Yes, it will. Yes, all of them. Yes, SoftSqueeze as well. What ? I SAID ALL OF THEM ! andynormancx's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=17417 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
andynormancx;608686 Wrote: This cheap server isn't going to be in the room you are listening, right ? No it will be. But I will be cognizant of noise. My wife's netbook that I am using now for example makes no noise. I got it refurbished from Newegg for $200, so at the very worst I'll just get another one of those. Any thoughts on if this would work http://www.recoupit.com/Desktops/HP/HP-Compaq-dc7700-PC-Core2-p9452081.html -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
I use that exact HP desktop in my home office and it is not quiet enough to be in your listening room. Fans run continuously regardless of load. -- Apesbrain Apesbrain's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=738 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Apesbrain;608706 Wrote: I use that exact HP desktop in my home office and it is not quiet enough to be in your listening room. Fans run continuously regardless of load. THANK you for that information. Very helpful and lucky to find someone with first-hand account. Tyvm. The netbook I'm running now still makes virtually no discernible noise. Perhaps I'll just get another one(although not in pink). I have an old Rotel CDP and some Chord Co. Silver Siren interconnects still sitting around that I'll now not be using with the new setup, and they should pay for a good hunk of the new netbook, plus clear out some space. -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
[SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
I posted a thread this morning about connecting a HDD directly to the Touch and preferring its sound to streaming it wirelessly. Even went so far as to consider 'upggrading' the usb cable :) (http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85405) Well I figured before I do that I should figure how this thing sounds hooked up via ethernet to a computer running the SBS. Had never tried this because my home computer is on a different level of the house and hadn't been imaginiative enough to consider cheap server possibilities. Anyway, I put a good amount of music on my wife's netbook, installed SBS, and plugged it in via ethernet. And WOW! I don't think I'll be going back to running TinySB or to streaming wirelessly ever again if I can help it. I have run my system before on a Rega Apollo cd player and other Rotel players and frankly I think this is the best it has ever sounded. Only problem is I can't use my wife's netbook forever. What cheap solutions are out there for me. Would this work? http://www.recoupit.com/Desktops/Dell/Optiplex-GX270/Dell-Optiplex-GX270-Computer-p9463103.html -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
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Howard Turkster;608444 Wrote: Would this work? http://www.recoupit.com/Desktops/Dell/Optiplex-GX270/Dell-Optiplex-GX270-Computer-p9463103.html Yes, with 2 caveats: 1) It needs more memory - probably 1 GB. Since it has 4 memory slots, so that will cost another $30 or so. 2) The Vostro is a business machine and may have a relatively noisy fan - so you should have a backup plan to put it outside the listening room Regards, Kim -- krochat krochat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
krochat;608447 Wrote: Yes, with 2 caveats: 1) It needs more memory - probably 1 GB. Since it has 4 memory slots, so that will cost another $30 or so. 2) The Vostro is a business machine and may have a relatively noisy fan - so you should have a backup plan to put it outside the listening room Regards, Kim They have another one with 500 mb. Do you think that would be sufficient if nothing else was running on it, or do you still think a full gig? -- Howard Turkster Howard Turkster's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=39563 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Howard Turkster;608453 Wrote: My only problem there is it costs more than the Touch itself. I was more interested in a 'beater' computer or maybe a very cheap netbook in the 75-175 range. Any suggestions there? You can install the Vortexbox software on any suitable beater computer you have around that will suffice as a server. The s/w is a free download from the Vortexbox website. If you don't prefer the somewhat enhanced functionality of the Vortexbox s/w (and its Linux-based operating system), why not just install the SBS software on said same beater computer? A lot of folks here have done just that and it seems to work just fine. Currently, as a backup to my Vortexbox, I keep an up to date copy of SBS installed on my Win7 desktop PC (which ran everything just fine before I got the VBA). Just keep in mind that you'll likely decide that want to run your server 24/7, so aesthetics and power consumption may or may not come into play. -- rgro Rick System information Main: PS Audio Quintet Touch (wired) CA DacMagic Marantz PM8003 VA Mozart Grands REL Acoustics R305. Home Theatre: SBR (Wired) Pioneer VSX 919 Energy Take 5 Classic 5.1. SBS 7.5.3 r31815 running on a Vortexbox Appliance, V 1.7. Touch w/Hardware V.5. Touch: FW 7.5.3 r9283. Duet: FW 67. rgro's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=34348 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Howard Turkster;608452 Wrote: They have another one with 500 mb. Do you think that would be sufficient if nothing else was running on it, or do you still think a full gig? I ran the VortexBox software (Linux-based) on a slow-ish computer with 512Mb RAM and it wasn't very nice to use- I upgraded the memory to 1GB and it got a lot faster. If you want to run XP instead of the VortexBox image, I suspect it would work in 512Mb, but the response of the web GUI might be pretty bad. If you don't use the Web GUI it might work OK. How much RAM is in your wife's netbook? Regards, Kim -- krochat -- iZotope SRC (96kHz offline upsampler) - Touch - TacT RCS 2.2X - Convolver PC (w/Acourate filter)- Apogee Big Ben - (TacT S2150 - Vandersteen 3a Signature + TacT S2150 - TacT W210) krochat's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=6579 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
Re: [SlimDevices: Touch] connected my Touch to SBS via ethernet for the first time (wow!)
Ubid today had an IBM notebook with 1Gg of RAM for $179. -- Audiofile Audiofile's Profile: http://forums.slimdevices.com/member.php?userid=42472 View this thread: http://forums.slimdevices.com/showthread.php?t=85420 ___ Touch mailing list Touch@lists.slimdevices.com http://lists.slimdevices.com/mailman/listinfo/touch
