[Trisquel-users] Apologies to J.B. Nicholson-Owens

[contact]

As a member of the Trisquel site some 4+ years, I was under the impression  
our email addresses (and other personal info) were kept confidential by the  
site maintainers. Therefore I was surprised when "J.B. Nicholson-Owens"  
responded to my, and other forum posts, by quoting our email addresses. I  
could not figure out how he did it as I did not make it public. I sincerely  
thought s/he was talking liberties with personal information. Eventually, I  
discovered that this personal infromation was revealed by site maintainers as  
a 'feature' and not necessarily as a move in bad faith by J.B.  
Nicholson-Owens. My real contention is with the Trisquel site maintainers and  
not J.B. Nicholson-Owens, who used information that was openly revealed by  
the site maintainers. 

Re: [Trisquel-users] QupZilla-libre?

[onpon4]

No, the version of Qupzilla in the repo is still the version that uses  
QtWebKit; this is true even of Ubuntu 16.04. The engine switch was more  
recent. It's definitely insecure, though, because QtWebKit is insecure.


Are we sure that there is actually proprietary software in this, though? I  
know that it's a common meme to say that Chromium is not entirely libre, but  
no one ever backs this claim up with evidence (by pointing to examples of  
non-libre files).

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[contact]

Ageism is such lovely behaviour. Thank you for your inclusivity. 

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Paypal compatible with software freedom?

[onpon4]

> I have not said, I refuse to tell name and address
to seller.

I wasn't talking about that, I was talking about the fact that the whole way  
credit cards and debit cards work revolves around trust of whoever you're  
buying from. You do understand how it works, right? You give your credit card  
information to someone. You have to trust that they are going to perform the  
transaction they say they will, and do nothing else with that information.  
That's why when you see a shady website online asking for your credit card  
information, you don't give it to them.


Yeah, there are laws to protect you. But there are equally good laws to  
protect you if you're using cash. So if you're OK with the trust required to  
use credit cards, it's logically inconsistent to not be OK with the trust  
required to use cash or e-cash. Heck, the latter two easily involve less  
trust, because the worst that can happen isn't identity theft, it's just a  
criminal not sending you the goods you paid for.


> Can you provide some documentation? I do not know of this option.

Could you please stop jumbling together ideas and hypotheticals with present  
reality? I never said that Ebay supports this. I said they easily could.  
That's up to them. The same goes for other stores. Heck, it could even be  
made into a feature of PayPal.


This is a constant theme in this thread from you. So let me spell this out:

"Purchase protection". has. NOTHING. to do with GNU Taler. If you want to buy  
this service from someone, they can accept and route any payment method they  
want to support. Yes, that includes GNU Taler. It also includes credit cards,  
debit cards, Bitcoin, cash, bottle caps... any payment method they want to  
support. It's not just a secondary issue, it's completely irrelevant to GNU  
Taler.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fora few domains, my .htaccess file isn't effective at blocking them from access by my Abrowser

[jason]

"Something about my installations of Abrowser and Icecat is over-riding the  
blocked status of those domains. What could that be ?"


It's nothing to do with the browser. At all. The determination of which HTTP  
response code to sent (either "200 OK" along with the requested resource or  
to instead serve "403 Forbidden" is entirely the decision of the web server.  
Entirely.


It'll be almost impossible for us to determine exactly what it wrong without  
in-depth access to the full (and I mean full) web server configuration. Since  
you mention cPanel (a proprietary program eek!) you will probably want to  
get in touch with your hosting company to discuss the problem in more detail.


Sorry, but this is not a Trisquel problem.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Fora few domains, my .htaccess file isn't effective at blocking them from access by my Abrowser

[jason]

For sure.

[Trisquel-users] Re : Fora few domains, my .htaccess file isn't effective at blocking them from access by my Abrowser

[lcerf]

https://www.gnu.org/philosophy/words-to-avoid.html#Piracy

[Trisquel-users] OFFLIST:Re: "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[Cassandra of Troy]

That works for me.

On 11/22/2017 05:29 PM, cont...@ikhider.com wrote:
> Heather. 

P.S. check forum; no obscenitites, please, if I'm really an unattended
ten year old boy, my mother would KILL me!!

[Trisquel-users] Re : Is Paypal compatible with software freedom?

[lcerf]

My post was about showing, that gnutaler cannot work as a tool against  
profiling.


It can.  It uses what is known (for 34 years) as "blind signature" to  
guarantee the anonymity of the buyer:  
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blind_signature


See https://grothoff.org/christian/taler2016space.pdf to read more about GNU  
Taler.

[Trisquel-users] Re : Is Paypal compatible with software freedom?

[lcerf]

I claim gnutaler does not change the fact, that seller can do profiling if he  
has proper software. Stallman opposes surveillance and profiling. That is why  
I think gnutaler does not enable Stallman to buy items from shops on the  
internet.


You are wrong.  Here is for instance what RMS says at 2:18:11 of  
http://dcc.ufmg.br/~lcerf/rms_en.webm (talk he gave May 29th this year):


So I can't use Bitcoins to do the thing I most wanna do, which is pay stores  
and publishers anonymously.  That's why we developed GNU Taler.  Taler is not  
a crypto-currency.  Taler is a payment system for payments denominated in,  
well, could be dollars or reais or whatever.  And it's anonymous for the one  
who pays.


Then there is the shipping problem, which is separate from the payment  
problem.  Shipping to a nearby place, such as a physical store taking a  
commission, is an existing solution.  Since GNU Taler emits a legally valid  
proof of payment, it would be the document to present to get the good.

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[contact]

Heather. 

[Trisquel-users] Fora few domains, my .htaccess file isn't effective at blocking them from access by my Abrowser

[amenex]

After viewing my Recent Visitors file in Cpanel, I set about blocking a  
couple of image pirates.


Adding their IP addresses (gleaned with nslookup) to my .htaccess file   
(located under my domain in which the images are stored) did not block their  
use of my images. Similarly, adding the actual domain names to my .htaccess  
file also failed to achieve any blocking effect.


Then I submitted a support ticket to my ISP ... shortly thereafter, I saw in  
the recent visitors file that they had tried to access those images and had  
gotten the desired 403 response ("access denied"). Nevertheless, still no  
luck with my installation of Abrowser ... apparently still not blocked.  
Blocked for other users, though.


Just checking, I tried the offending URL's in another installation of  
ABbrowser on a USB-connected hard drive on which Trisquel is also installed  
... Whoopie ! - Images gone from the offending website ... seemingly, a  
success.


Not so lucky; images still appear in my Abrowser. I deleted the History from  
this reluctant-to-block Abrowser ... no luck.

Icecat also shows the blocked images; it's in the same Trisquel installation.

This has only happened with a couple of domains. All the rest are immediately  
blocked and return "access denied" right after I've added their domain name  
or its IP address to my .htaccess file.


Something about my installations of Abrowser and Icecat is over-riding the  
blocked status of those domains. What could that be ?


George Langford
amenex

Re: [Trisquel-users] Quantum kicks ass

[onpon4]

Really? So version 48 supports both? In that case, I wonder what took all the  
add-on developers so long to convert their extensions over.


When my browser got updated, there were no add-ons that could turn JavaScript  
off. Now there are two that I'm aware of, and both are completely inadequate  
because they don't cause noscript tags to show up (NoScript is one of the  
two). So now, I'm stick with toggling JavaScript in about:config, because  
that's literally the only possible way to toggle JavaScript (and the irony of  
this is that the fact that the old NoScript could effectively work as a  
JavaScript toggle was one of the justifications for removing the "JavaScript"  
checkbox in the options menu).


Hopefully add-ons will catch up eventually. As it is, the only incentives I  
have to use Firefox instead of another libre browser (like Midori) are WebKit  
security issues and the fact that I've already got all my bookmarks and saved  
passwords in Firefox.


* Firefox (with Greasemonkey) is the only browser I've used where user  
scripts work without other JavaScript enabled. I'm not sure why.

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[Ignacio Agulló]

On 22/11/17 10:57,  wrote:
> I understand what you mean now. I remember I had that happen a couple
> of times when someone quoted my post and included my e-mail address
> with the quote. It is certainly undesirable behavior and I was not
> pleased when that happened.

 I prefer to handle the messages through an e-mail client, it's so
much easier for me.  However, it has this inconvenience - when you reply
to someone, like now, the e-mail client automatically quotes the message
and shows the authors e-mail address on top.  I suppose that this is
what happened with this case.

 As for myself, when I started doing that, people would tell me that
they didn't like that, and that I should edit the e-mail address out, so
I logged in to the forum and edited it out.  Since then, I edit out the
e-mail address before sending the messages, like now.  I suppose it
takes constant reminding.

-- 
Ignacio Agulló · agu...@ati.es



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Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[Cassandra of Troy]

Unfortunately, he can't do that any more than  can change "Heather" to
"Aunt Tillie" and troll thewell, Aunt Tillie would never say
THATyou or I would have done that ages ago.

:)

Have a nice day, turkey; you USA american, no?

Re: [Trisquel-users] Quantum kicks ass

[ivan . baldinotti]

Abrowser is already updated to version 57.0 :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[contact]

@SuperTramp83  OK, so instead of your handle "SuperTramp83", kindly use your  
email address as a handle instead. After you do that, please post  
"meh"...ahhh... not so "meh", eh?  

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[greatgnu]

meh

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[contact]

To clarify, I say "whatevs" to your comment. My comment about the Trisquel  
site still stands and that is not "Whatevs". 

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

[greatgnu]

Pessimism is not realism and realism is: people, most of them, don't care and  
the trend is certainly not going to stop or slow down, it will actually  
explode more. I agree with the point expressed in the book "The transparent  
society" - surveillance is here to stay. Whether the peasants will have any  
control and restriction over it is a matter of speculation, or not, if you  
count the current situation... We already have 0 control over it.
I really think the only thing you can do is teach others by example using the  
only real power you have left: rejection. Keep not buying and keep not using:  
there is very little action more powerful than that you can do **legally**.

Re: [Trisquel-users] the crackling

[greatgnu]

Hehe :)
In the past, on the old version of Debian to be precise, I had several issues  
with audio related to pulseaudio. Each time purging pulseaudio proved to be  
the solution..
Pulseaudio works great now, the current version gives me no trouble at all. 

Re: [Trisquel-users] QupZilla-libre?

[greatgnu]

Xfce is transition, a looong one.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Paypal compatible with software freedom?

[svhaab]

>If the accuracy of the profiles decrease, it is discovered.

We do not know the algorithms. I doubt, they are able to filter items which  
are bought
in the name of a proxy person. I do not say, people should not act as a proxy  
person,

but they should know what effects it may have.

>you expect a solution where, at once, all profiling techniques become  
obsolete


I do not expect one.

>you have such a solution

No, I do not. My post was about showing, that gnutaler cannot work as a tool  
against profiling.
And if gnutaler does not provide a purchase protection system, people often  
will have a
reason to not use gnutaler. I am in favor of gnutaler, but I think gnutaler  
should provide a purchase protection too. 

Re: [Trisquel-users] Is Paypal compatible with software freedom?

[svhaab]

>So, I take it you never use a credit card

How did you reach that conclusion? I have not said, I refuse to tell name and  
address
to seller. Credit cards in europe, like paypal, provides an option to make a  
claim
against seller. The legal quality on how these protests are managed, I do not  
know.
I claim gnutaler does not change the fact, that seller can do profiling if he  
has proper
software. Stallman opposes surveillance and profiling. That is why I think  
gnutaler does
not enable Stallman to buy items from shops on the internet. We do not know  
what he

would say.

>That has nothing whatsoever to do with payment method.

Which I have not claimed. It was about profiling. In europe it is commonly  
required to
inform your name and address, if you buy something from a shop on the  
internet. Seller
having this set of data, enables him to make a profile. I wanted to know if  
gnutaler

changes this. It does not.

>Besides this, I must say that there's a fantastic irony here.

There is an illogical conclusion from your side.
Paypal is not a seller of the items I buy. Paypal manages the payment.  
Included in
paypal's service is a purchase protection. It is part of what they sell. If  
it was common knowledge that paypal's purchase protection is a scam and does  
not work for buyer, I would not use paypal. Several times I have bought from  
fraudulent sellers. I got my money back filing a paypal purchase protection  
complaint. My experience is, paypal purchase protection works. But I do not  
trust them to be highly qualified on consumer law and would not be surprised  
would paypal make a wrong decision in a purchase protection case.


>PayPal's purchase protection is not protecting you from Ebay.

I have not said so. Ebay says, if you do not make a paypal payment, you can
make not complaint to ebay about seller.

>Ebay owns PayPal.

What is the relevance? In a dispute paypal looks on the data and makes a  
decision.


>e-cash to Ebay and let them handle everything else

Can you provide some documentation? I do not know of this option.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Either the rating system goes, or I will

[shiretoko]

It's not using Javascript so there is no way you can update the voting system  
without reloading the page.

Reloading the page means going to the top.

Now, they could attach the anchor of the comment to the voting link. That  
way, the page would still reload, you would still go up to the top of the  
page but go down again right afterwards.

Maybe you wouldn't even notice the difference.

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[Cassandra of Troy]

I couldn't agree more.

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[contact]

Whatevs.

Re: [Trisquel-users] raptor talos will make a lower priced mainboard, if you buy 10000

[svhaab]

Stallman answered, he is not knowledgeable on the matter. He will ask people  
who are familiar with fsf's hardware certifying system to decide if fsf  
should engage in endorsing crowd fundings, which are about libre software. I  
assume fsf will return, when they have made a decision.


Not sure a raptor mainboard crowd funding should be in the domain of a well  
known crowd funding website. What do they cost? Costs if the crowd funding  
target fails? I would rather set up a crowd funding website on for instance  
raptor's website, if they agree.
Raptor would have expenses for technical and price calculations, which raptor  
would have to bear. In case the funding target is not achieved, is there a  
fee for returning already received payments? If so who pays?  

Re: [Trisquel-users] raptor talos will make a lower priced mainboard, if you buy 10000

[svhaab]

>POWER9's success is going to be by a mass-production

I do not call 1 mainboards a mass production. The goal of a crowd funding  
is, if there is 1 persons, who want to spend 1000usd on a libre software  
mainboard and cpu, we will find them and give them the option to buy the  
computer. If more want it, fine.
You can have the opinion, there are no 1 persons. You are probably right.  
I think there is a small chance. And if it can be tested at small costs for  
raptor, it should be done.
A market survey could give us the answer telling us if a crowd funding will  
be fruitful. But we do not have one and are not going to get one.

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[Cassandra of Troy]

And one more one more thing...what is the command on systemd to start
networkmanager? I usually use WICD and if you know anything at all about
this particular specific "Aunt Tillie" you know darned well I'm not
going to bat at the pretty pictures and stop worrying my silly little
had about it. I'm perfectly capable of using the terminal to compile
from source, as well as to amuse people young enough to be my
grandchildren by adding cowsay and fortune to my .bashrc file and if the
mods haven't banned me yet, I think that says something positive about
the forum.

But that's no use for not fixing that tie, young man. And that's Mrs.
Mommy to you.

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[Cassandra of Troy]

The site didn't out me. I didn't read the small print carefully enough
or else I forgot I needed to change the "from" field in my email program
for that account between posting here and posting on the Little Old
Ladies Sewing Circle And Terra Wrist Society. ;)

I'm sorry this happened, but since I was outed anyway, I'm old enough to
be your mother, young man, so sit up straight, fix that tie, eat your
vegetables, put away that pocket telephone and go read a good book or
write one of those newfangled videogame thingummies and you'll feel
better after a nice hot bath and a good rest in this nice bowl of
chicken soup.

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[contact]

It's much nicer when you can choose to out your gender or contact info  
instead of have a site helpfully do it for you, is it not?

Re: [Trisquel-users] raptor talos will make a lower priced mainboard, if you buy 10000

[svhaab]

>most recent high-end x86 CPUs

I do not. I have a lenovo t400. It is fast enough to have several programs  
running at the same time. Display youtube hd vidoes. Have a dozen tabs open  
in firefox. It happens that the computer stalls. But not often. That would be  
my benchmark.

It is unlikely the current pc card will be able to manage the above tasks.

>tons of ARM CPUs exist that are as fast or even faster

I know of no one, which is libre software, for sale and performing equal to a  
lenovo t400 cpu.


>is the one lkcl is looking at for the next EOMA68 card.

If it is the Rockchip RK3288, I will have to see it showing a performance  
like a x86 duo core cpu, before I believe it.


I do not doubt we will get arm cpus, which will be able to act like a x86  
notebook. We do not know when? And if it will be small enough to fit in a pc  
card? Because arm software is not libre software, lkcl can only get it by  
software error, reverse engineering or leaks. That is an uncertain strategy.


>EOMA68 isn't supposed to use the same amount of power as x86

If you put a notebook cabinet on sale, people have a just expectation at some  
point getting a pc card, which will make the notebook run as fast as a x86  
notebook, including common gnulinux software.

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[contact]

Users (or at least this user) joined the Trisquel site with certain  
assumptions that when we join something like an on-line forum, that this  
forum would act similar to other forums. You got your user handle and you got  
your comments. So far so good. Nowhere does it say here, when you sign up  
with the forum, "Oh yeah, when you post here, we will not only re-post your  
comments in another area, like an e-mail list, but your email address as  
well, so all know your contact info. Part of the sensitivity of posting email  
addresses is vulnerability to stuff like SPAM, or individuals who act in bad  
faith (for example) if there is an escalation or conflict. Just posting a  
user name contains the situation. While I think community and sharing and  
retaining knowledge is good, when the tools or people who manage this do so  
poorly, we must opt for the greater importance, namely the users' rights.  
There are two contentions here, 1) publishing personal info 2) reposting  
without letting the user know this will be so. 

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

[Cassandra of Troy]

Those of us who are struggling with these issues probably have family
members who would not get past your first intelligently well written
posts and would just see the tl;dr as "Oh no, I'll bet anything my
dingbat dumb blonde daughter Heather posts there! Google, make me a
sammich and forward that grumpy cat meme to everyone in my address
book!" or "My embarassing toothless luddite mother with the absurdly
flowery name would love that stuff but fortunately she'll never see it
because she refuses to carry a smartphone or even use a laptop that
isn't a couple hundred years old".

I've had a [s]difficult[/s] normal life and it isn't going to end well.
Some of you would probably think I made some incredibly bad choices and
others would think I had some incredibly bad luck. I do have some
experience with how the human body works, and like it or not, in times
of stress, the more primitive parts of our brain take over and feelings
shut off like a lightbulb.

If you have to divorce the love of your life to protect your kids from a
substance abuser, you do it. You just do it. You don't feel. You put one
foot in front of the other and walk to the bus stop so you can fill out
the papers to get the proper ID to open the bank account to deposit the
check to hire the lawyer and you don't think.

You feel happy when your five year old tells you it was the best day of
her life because she got to climb a tree at the bus stop, but you don't
feel anything else. You can't.

Protecting kids is easy. They're biological organisms and so are we.
Protecting concepts like free software is going to be a bit harder, to
put it politely.

 rms was so devastated at one point when he saw this coming as a young
man that his "go to" answer when people asked what was wrong with him
was that someone he loved had just died because he honestly couldn't go
out in public grieving like that without an "acceptable" reason.

 You 13-35ish people are probably going to doubt yourselves and possibly
even your own sanities, brilliance, talents, and intelligence. I am old.
I see it already. I see brilliant children who make concrete positive
differences in the lives of real people wasting time blaming themselves
for not having powers that no human being has.

I am old. I know. Do as I say, not as I did. Be kind to yourselves. I
wasn't kind to myself and look how I turned out.

Patterns repeat. This is bigger than whether or not one individual
should accept an unwanted gift of a cellphone or not. You may think you
can't survive in a surveillance society where everybody you love thinks
you're crazy but I am old and that is my superpower and I think you are
a lot stronger than you give yourselves credit for.

Thank you for starting this thread and apologies for the lame post to
get it back on topic.  Any opinions on how an average user with no
formal IT training and/or paid mainstream employment history (or a
toofless iggernut hag if that is how you say it in your language) can be
an effective ally are greatly appreciated but essentially irrelevant in
the grand scheme of things.

:)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Either the rating system goes, or I will

[leoo]

My beef with the rating system is that after clicking plus or minus, it zooms  
me back to the top of the page.  I don't want that.  Why would anyone?

Re: [Trisquel-users] raptor talos will make a lower priced mainboard, if you buy 10000

[svhaab]

>I would highly expect them to use the same POWER9 CPU that the Talos II is  
using


Yes. From what raptor wrote me, there is not much of a wide range of options  
in terms of hardware. It will be a talos 2 power9 sforza. It will be winded  
down such that it can work on a microatx mainboard which has lower priced  
electronic components on it.
Raptor did not state an intel cpu, which would have an comparable  
performance. Only that the power cpu would match a x86 duo core cpu on  
performance.


>wait until the more powerful POWER9 chips become available later on.

No, that is not doable. My understanding is, the power cpu on the raptor  
microatx mainboard has to be winded down about performance in order to work  
on a mainboard having lower priced components. Otherwise the mainboard would  
have to be more expensive.

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[Cassandra of Troy]

Every stupid internet forum on the stupid internet thinks it's the best
forum on the internet but I'm right. I had a similar misunderstanding of
the way the mailing list is integrated with the forums and was
devastated when I accidentally outed myself as female but it's all good
and I learned a lot from my mistake of however many odd years ago,
including that it's not such a big deal that everyone knows I'm female.

Glad that's cleared up now. Not a J.B. Nicholson-Owens issue at all but
J.B. Nicholson-Owens doesn't strike me as anyone who would get upset by
an honest mistake.

I'm old school too and proud of it. :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Uruk 2.0 Last Touches

[dahunt]

Yes.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Either the rating system goes, or I will

[shiretoko]

Hello David, thanks for your response.
Here is my new email adress:

shiret...@openmailbox.org

Re: [Trisquel-users] Need a daily reminder

[no-email]

- i3-wm
exec sleep 5m && xterm -e calcurse
exec sleep 5m && xterm -e nano ~/.daily_reminder.txt

- openbox wm
sleep 5m && xterm -e calcurse &
sleep 5m && xterm -e nano ~/.daily_reminder.txt &

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

I might not be the best person to speak in regards to writing detailed
text in English, but I have a suggestion:

#+begin_example
This contact form will serve as a secondary way to reach you through
your email address and for people using only the forums to post or read
messages. People who use the mailing lists linked to each forum/subforum
will *still see your email address* and (with the limitations of the
current forum system) might cite the address *explicitly* in their
replies.
#+end_example

When the forum display name is correctly set up to show as a friendly
name, you can change it to:

#+begin_example
This contact form will serve as a secondary way to reach you through
your email address and for people using only the forums to post or read
messages. People who use the mailing lists linked to each forum/subforum
will still *see your email address* and might cite the address
*explicitly* in their messages depending on how their email client is
configured to reply and if you have a friendly/display name set for your
forum account.
#+end_example

2017-11-22T11:21:21+0100 da...@sognus.com wrote:
> Hello again.
>
> As I tried to explain to you, the note about the personal contact form
> is not related to this issue, it only refers to whether somebody can
> privately write to you through your user page (with an additional
> "contact" tab appearing to the right) or not.
>
> No admin is using this contact form to write to you or to expose your
> e-mail address. The trisquel-users forums have always been
> synchronized to the mailing lists and this topic has been addressed
> several times through the years, like in 2012 (when we edited the
> e-mail field description to reflect this) and several times later,
> like you can see at this long-standing issue (
> https://trisquel.info/en/issues/2003 ).
>
> I agree though that the help text describing the behaviour of the
> private contact form can be misleading so I will be editing it to
> reflect this issue the same as the one where you provide your e-mail
> address to create the account.
>

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

See my previous reply ([1]).

[1] 
https://listas.trisquel.info/pipermail/trisquel-users/2017-November/083076.html

2017-11-22T10:23:56+0100 cont...@ikhider.com wrote:
> Oh, you can see that "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" helpfully publishes
> everyone's contact info:
>
> https://trisquel.info/en/users/jb-nicholson-owens/track
>
> And for those who cannot view the Imgur link as posted, I was
> eseentially highlighting what Trisquel writes when you use the contact
> form: "Personal contact form
> Allow other users to contact you by e-mail via your personal contact
> form. Note that while your e-mail address is not made public to other
> members of the community, privileged users such as site administrators
> are able to contact you even if you choose not to enable this
> feature."
>
> Nice one Trisquel! Way to go!
>
> : - )
>
>
>

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- https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno
- Palestrante e consultor sobre /software/ livre (não confundir com
  gratis).
- "WhatsApp"? Ele não é livre. Por favor, veja formas de se comunicar
  instantaneamente comigo no endereço abaixo.
- Contato: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno#vCard
- Arquivos comuns aceitos (apenas sem DRM): Corel Draw, Microsoft
  Office, MP3, MP4, WMA, WMV.
- Arquivos comuns aceitos e enviados: CSV, GNU Dia, GNU Emacs Org, GNU
  GIMP, Inkscape SVG, JPG, LibreOffice (padrão ODF), OGG, OPUS, PDF
  (apenas sem DRM), PNG, TXT, WEBM.

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[Adonay Felipe Nogueira]

As a plus: If you make use of the mailing lists instead of the forums,
you can choose to stop receiving emails (although your subscription will
remain).

I don't know if this is the same case for the
"forums-linked-to-mailing-lists" situation, but in *normal* mailing
lists: You can unsubscribe/"delete account" and the threads and comments
already created won't be affected.

Mailing lists don't suffer from the current issues of the
rating system issue.

Finally, using mailing lists has the benefit of allowing you choose any
reader you like (email client), with the workflow you like, with scoring
in the way you like (to automatically set some threads or messages as
important or to set them as spam/junk, although I haven't used any
scoring yet).

And also see, since I'm using the mailing list, citing a message
normally attempts to get the friendly name of that person first,
otherwise most email clients use the email address instead. In the case
of the forums, they don't set the friendly name in "Friendly Name
", so, since "Friendly Name" is missing, the
clients decide to refer to email address. One way around this would be
to take the forum display name and use it as friendly one, but I don't
know if this is possible in forums software (generally speaking, not
limited to this one).

This however, doesn't stop specific customizable email clients to use
the email address for references directly. For example, I know that
Emacs Gnus has this option (you can explicitly tell it to "always cite
the email address when inserting parts of the original message", or
something like that).

Once again, notice that I'm citing david's message and that I'm using an
email client:

2017-11-22T12:12:32+0100 da...@sognus.com wrote:
> Every user has of course the right to delete his or her account. The
> reason for the site to not provide a button for doing that directly is
> that we like to try to offer help to anybody that wants to quit the
> site for some specific problem but specially to ask them for
> permission to keep their contributions to the forum, optionally
> attaching those to an anonymous account.
>
> With the current set-up, if you could delete your user account wholly
> on your own all the forum threads that you started would disappear, so
> lots of helpful replies and conversations would be lost and that's
> usually not the intention of the user leaving the site. So if someone
> wants to delete an account, we ask about what to do with those
> contributions and comply with the desire of the user.
>
> So no, this isn't the Hotel California of the Internet, you can leave
> anytime you want but we'd rather have you or at least your memories
> around to make the community stronger :)

-- 
- https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno
- Palestrante e consultor sobre /software/ livre (não confundir com
  gratis).
- "WhatsApp"? Ele não é livre. Por favor, veja formas de se comunicar
  instantaneamente comigo no endereço abaixo.
- Contato: https://libreplanet.org/wiki/User:Adfeno#vCard
- Arquivos comuns aceitos (apenas sem DRM): Corel Draw, Microsoft
  Office, MP3, MP4, WMA, WMV.
- Arquivos comuns aceitos e enviados: CSV, GNU Dia, GNU Emacs Org, GNU
  GIMP, Inkscape SVG, JPG, LibreOffice (padrão ODF), OGG, OPUS, PDF
  (apenas sem DRM), PNG, TXT, WEBM.

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[david]

Every user has of course the right to delete his or her account. The reason  
for the site to not provide a button for doing that directly is that we like  
to try to offer help to anybody that wants to quit the site for some specific  
problem but specially to ask them for permission to keep their contributions  
to the forum, optionally attaching those to an anonymous account.


With the current set-up, if you could delete your user account wholly on your  
own all the forum threads that you started would disappear, so lots of  
helpful replies and conversations would be lost and that's usually not the  
intention of the user leaving the site. So if someone wants to delete an  
account, we ask about what to do with those contributions and comply with the  
desire of the user.


So no, this isn't the Hotel California of the Internet, you can leave anytime  
you want but we'd rather have you or at least your memories around to make  
the community stronger :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] I'd like to start volunteering my time to help Trisquel. What can I do to help?

[david]

Hi! Some helpful community members have already provided several pointers to  
start helping the distro, but just in case I'll insist on some ways of  
starting to find your way around the basics.


There are many ways to contribute with different aspects of the project, like  
writing the scripts that handle customization, remove non-free software, fix  
compatibility issues or add features to the operating system. If you have  
some of the needed knowledge to help with these issues the best way to start  
is to take a look at this ( https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/development-0 )  
documentation page, where you'll find a first approach to stuff like code  
management, the distro's building process and the pieces it's made of.


You'd probably want to sign-up to the development mailing list at  
https://listas.trisquel.info/mailman/listinfo/trisquel-devel to find specific  
help, or check the project's IRC channel. Depending on your experience with  
packaging, patches and the like, this may be the hardest way to start  
helping, and we're short on support for aspiring collaborators but that  
doesn't mean that you will be ignored; we also intend to keep working on  
making it easier to collaborate with this aspect of the project.


Of course, package and script development is not the only way of helping the  
project, and for instance there is an issue reporting system (  
https://trisquel.info/en/project/issues ) which lists the bugs found with the  
distro and associated resources like its web pages. Maybe you could help with  
some of those, check if they're still relevant or provide more complete  
replicating steps. We intend to migrate this system to a better integrated  
solution in the future but any filtering we can do on the issue list will  
help quite a lot both with this process and with the overall quality of the  
distro.


You'll find that documentation pages can always benefit from new and improved  
manuals in your language ( https://trisquel.info/en/wiki/manuals ) or  
translations from others. Many times a user has specific experience with some  
free software piece that some other user may be struggling with and updated  
documentation is key. Helpful forum answers to common issues can also be  
great candidates for being reviewed and added to the documentation pages.


Another great way of contributing is by helping with other users' questions  
at this forum or just write about some ideas or knowledge which the community  
may benefit from. As you've already noticed, the forum is also a great place  
to find further guidance about other ways to help with the project.

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[contact]

David,

If this be the case, then our friend Quantum made a valid point, the right to  
delete a Trisquel account if need be.


We, the user, should have that right and ability and sign on again when we  
get a better idea of how exactly this site works. Please grant the right of  
account deletion.


Thank you.

Re: [Trisquel-users] I'd like to start volunteering my time to help Trisquel. What can I do to help?

[david]

Please stop spreading this nonsense. I don't think it was funny to start with  
but it definitely isn't when you pretend to give it any official status.

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[david]

Hello again.

As I tried to explain to you, the note about the personal contact form is not  
related to this issue, it only refers to whether somebody can privately write  
to you through your user page (with an additional "contact" tab appearing to  
the right) or not.


No admin is using this contact form to write to you or to expose your e-mail  
address. The trisquel-users forums have always been synchronized to the  
mailing lists and this topic has been addressed several times through the  
years, like in 2012 (when we edited the e-mail field description to reflect  
this) and several times later, like you can see at this long-standing issue (  
https://trisquel.info/en/issues/2003 ).


I agree though that the help text describing the behaviour of the private  
contact form can be misleading so I will be editing it to reflect this issue  
the same as the one where you provide your e-mail address to create the  
account.

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[contact]

Plus one, bro (or sis). Fuggin' solidarity, yo. Yo-ality. 

[Trisquel-users] Re : Need a daily reminder

[lcerf]

Using 'sleep 1m && gnome-terminal -e gedit' as the command in the "Startup  
Applications" does not work: 'sleep' executes for a minute but GEdit is not  
launched afterwards).  Simply 'gedit' works.  "Startup Applications"  
apparently has troubles with "&&".  The fix I proposed (write everything in  
an executable file and choose the file as the "Command") is simple and works.

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[fbits]

Hi I. Khider,

I understand what you mean now. I remember I had that happen a couple of  
times when someone quoted my post and included my e-mail address with the  
quote. It is certainly undesirable behavior and I was not pleased when that  
happened. I read David's reply to this post and I think what he writes is  
correct; i.e., not a malicious feature, rather a negative externality from  
mirroring the forum and the mailing list. Like David and yourself, I wish  
this undesired "feature" was corrected.

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[contact]

Greetings David,

You can see I am an old-timey user here, like 4 years 44 weeks. There was  
nothing about duplicating forum posts with an email list and publishing  
personal info at large. If this was the case, there would not be the  
stipulation:


"Personal contact form
Allow other users to contact you by e-mail via your personal contact form.  
Note that while your e-mail address is not made public to other members of  
the community, privileged users such as site administrators are able to  
contact you even if you choose not to enable this feature."


So if I am wrong here, you can see how a statement like that can mislead me  
and others. 

[Trisquel-users] Re : QupZilla-libre?

[lcerf]

The entire MATE Desktop suite of applications and components is now GTK3+  
only!

https://mate-desktop.org/blog/2017-03-13-mate-1-18-released/

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

[fbits]

Hi I. Khider,

We can do both simultaneously if you post a new topic with your concerns. I  
have never had an issue with anyone on this site though -- moderator or  
otherwise -- so I don't know if I will have anything to contribute. Have a  
nice day.

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[contact]

Hi fbit (notice how I refer to you by your user name, not your email address  
or other personal details),


If you login to your account at Trisquel and click 'My Account', and edit  
your contact, you get the following message:


"Personal contact form
Allow other users to contact you by e-mail via your personal contact form.  
Note that while your e-mail address is not made public to other members of  
the community, privileged users such as site administrators are able to  
contact you even if you choose not to enable this feature."


So that when we post here, we are one user speaking to another user. Sort of  
like on Reddit or Slashdot. The Trisquel site goes out of their way to say  
that the contact info is kept private. And yet, it is posted in public. This  
is acting in bad faith. It is one thing when an admin can see your personal  
information, it is another thing when they post it publically without  
consent. For me, it is not too Earth shattering that my personal email is  
published. I am open about the fact I support Libre software, but I do not  
like it when admins post my info willy-nilly when they stated, as a  
condition, they would not do so. I did not consent to this and belived what  
the site posted about personal info. I am quite displeased with this  
behaviour.

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[david]

Hi!

I'm afraid you've misinterpreted a technical feature as some kind of foul  
play.


Trisquel's user forums and mailing lists are synchronized so you can  
participate on them both through the website and through you preferred e-mail  
client. J.B. Nicholson-Owens is not using any admin privileges, just probably  
quoting some lines through the "reply" function of an e-mail client.


Any mailing list works through e-mail addresses, and any mailing list user  
can see the e-mail addresses of other subscribers. This is not that obvious  
when signing up to a forum and hence not ideal here (this topic has been  
brought up before and we intend to improve on it in the future), but it's  
actually warned at the "create new account" form under the e-mail field. The  
line you show at the screencap is related to the private contact form and has  
nothing to do with this situation.


I hope this clarifies your doubts.

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[fbits]

I was always under the impression that e-mail addresses used on this forum  
are not private. Everyone who receives e-mail updates of posts from this  
forum can see the e-mail address of anyone who posts here, right?


In any case, why is it alarming that the forum admins have access to every  
member's email address?


Cheers.

Re: [Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

[contact]

Oh darling, before we get into that. Let us first address the behaviour of  
Trisquel site runners. Let them observe their own terms and conditions before  
we start pointing fingers via this site elsewhere.  : - )

Re: [Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[contact]

Oh, you can see that "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" helpfully publishes everyone's  
contact info:


https://trisquel.info/en/users/jb-nicholson-owens/track

And for those who cannot view the Imgur link as posted, I was eseentially  
highlighting what Trisquel writes when you use the contact form: "Personal  
contact form
Allow other users to contact you by e-mail via your personal contact form.  
Note that while your e-mail address is not made public to other members of  
the community, privileged users such as site administrators are able to  
contact you even if you choose not to enable this feature."


Nice one Trisquel! Way to go!

: - )

[Trisquel-users] Thoughts about the impact and future direction of proprietary software and technologies of surveillance and control.

[fbits]

tl;dr

Given the continued trends of proprietary software and surveillance  
technologies, what is strategically the best course of action for those of us  
who care -- not only from an individual perspective, but also in terms of the  
wider harmful effects of these technologies to the fabric and structure of  
our societies, from our relationships with nuclear family to extended family,  
friends, and our professional lives? Thoughts?


--

The following is an attempt to put into words some questions and thoughts  
I've been mulling over for a while. I would be happy to hear the opinions of  
others here about them. As invasive proprietary technology makes further and  
further incursions into our lives in ways that give us less and less  
possibility to defend ourselves against, what are strategically the most  
meaningful positions to take? As has been mentioned in the past by Mr.  
Moglen, the surveillance society we live under, represents an ecological  
problem, so individual actions are not enough to change course (not unrelated  
nor so different from the unabashed corporate led destruction of the  
environment and depletion of resources for short-term narrow-minded  
objectives, that we are currently living through).


One good example of what I mean can be illustrated by my relationship with  
google. I have, for a long time, done my utmost to keep google out of my life  
and have done so successfully on all fronts except for Youtube, and whatever  
Analytics or other such surveillance are used on some of the websites I visit  
and where turning JS off renders the site unusable. Lately, I have noticed  
more and more of a trend in that wherever I visit there are more and more  
ubiquitous surveillance devices. There is one such product from google that  
looks like a cylinder speaker and records everything around it (not to  
mention devices from other corporations such as "smart" TV's, amazon's  
whatever it's called, etc.) . Now I see google has come up with a camera that  
people can mount anywhere and which will be on at all times examine an area  
using artificial intelligence to determine when to record photos and videos  
of "cute" moments. It is not difficult to see where this trend is headed and  
how in spite of all efforts to resist these abusive corporations, they will  
make every effort to encroach further and further into our private lives and  
they will succeed, largely with fanfares and praise from those they are  
abusing.


When will it reach the point where those of us opposed to this surveillance  
capitalism model will be completely ostracized and marginalized from society?  
When will the question become "google or me" and our loved ones choose google  
because they perceive can no longer (nor want to) live without it? These  
mega-corporations have managed to endear themselves into the minds of many  
adults in our societies in a way that I find truly alarming. Many people who  
are technologically completely ignorant but who have such strong feelings and  
views about these for profit corporations and technologies they do not  
understand and which mistreat and abuse them. With children it's even worse.  
I have met young kids who tell me they like to chat with google because she  
knows everything and she is so nice and funny. What will become of these kids  
and their relationships with these corporations when they become adults? How  
will they perceive these corporations and the ubiquitous control and  
surveillance? How will they interact with them and how will they in turn  
teach their children?


What to do in light of these continuing trends and the mostly complete lack  
of caring that people show about these issues -- even after Snowden's  
revelations, which I actually feel largely created a sense of "we're already  
doomed by surveillance so lets just embrace it all and cease the moment" in  
the mainstream consciousness? I realize there are many who are alarmed and  
even many who mount efforts to resist and counteract and that thanks to these  
efforts there is at least still a choice in the matter for some technologies  
and for those of us who care, but to what extent will that become less  
meaningful as we come to not even physically control the devices that are  
used to control and surveil us? I can already envisage situations where the  
"owners" of such devices (many times family and friends) will be offended by  
the request to turn them off when we're around, feeling that these requests  
are attempts to control how *they* choose live their lives and the  
technologies they choose in their own homes/environments. And, when that time  
comes, what should those of us who care do about it and what will those of us  
we care about choose when faced with such a choice?


On that subject one of the big questions is what does it mean to be a radical  
or a conservative? Are those who embrace the latest technologies blindly and  
allow 

[Trisquel-users] "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners.

[contact]

So, essentially, "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" has admin priviliges and can flout  
Trisquel's terms and conditions as s/he pleases. Not just with me, but with  
pretty much any user and the runners of the Trisquel site are cool with this.  
Despite writng this:


https://imgur.com/a/Miyij

This is very kind of "J.B. Nicholson-Owens" and Trisquel site runners who are  
probably one-in-the-same. How very cool of you guys. This is a great way to  
run a site. Thank you Trisquel site runners and especially  ""J.B.  
Nicholson-Owens" who is quite marvelous. 

Re: [Trisquel-users] Need a daily reminder

[alonivtsan]

Incidentally, I can't find the upvote button either (I never used this  
function so I have no idea how it works) - I'd gladly return the favor and  
upvote Magic Banana :)

Re: [Trisquel-users] Need a daily reminder

[alonivtsan]

I think the command will work if you add the terminal programme beforehand,  
something like "gnome-terminal -e gedit".

Re: [Trisquel-users] I'd like to start volunteering my time to help Trisquel. What can I do to help?

[radiowavers]

Well, there is a way - to simply wait until the release date. Here is a  
countdown clock  
https://trisquel.info/en/forum/trisquel-8-release-countdown-clock