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[TruthTalk] Fw: Satan

2005-06-05 Thread Judy Taylor

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From: "Lance Muir" [EMAIL PROTECTED]
From: Hughes Jonathan 

even if an angel from 
heaven

I think it was from James Jordan that I first encountered the notion that 
Satan may have had a legitimate teaching task in 
Eden. After all, despite popular mythology, we don't have a 
biblical text that specifically points out when Satan fell. Moreover, 
elsewhere in Scripture, angels are teachers of human 
beings - indeed, angel means messenger. Furthermore, as I 
think I noted recently, God pronounces a curse upon the serpent specifically in 
connection with his deception of Adam and Eve; it could be argued that this is 
the initial curse against Satan.
Hmmm I don't have to ask who the author of this is. 
Legitimate teaching task? Only if you want to learn the lie; what do you 
expect the Father of lies to teach? We do have a biblical text that tells 
us Satan fell from the third heaven with the angels who rebelled with him, no 
date but it was before God created AE. I'd like to see somewhere in 
scripture where angelsteach. A messenger announces something and/or 
delivers a message. A teacher teaches.
But it strikes me that there is one further possible line of evidence: 
Galatians 1.8. "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to 
you, let him be accursed." It seems to me that it is not much of a 
stretch to think that Paul is alluding to Satan coming as a messenger from 
heaven and "preaching" something other than what had already been preached to 
Adam and Eve - namely, the words of God in Genesis 2.16-17. This is only 
fortified by the resultant curse upon the serpent in Gen 3.14-15 and Paul's use 
of the term anathema. The point then would not be that the serpent/Satan 
was not supposed to be in the garden - he had a legitimate teaching 
task. But he "preached another message," and Adam and Eve's calling was to judge 
it in terms of the message they had already received.
AE were to fellowship with and obey God and when 
they chose to obey the voice with the opposite message they lost it.
This again opens up a further interesting door upon what 
the serpent was doing, if the analogy goes further. Paul is speaking of 
those who are offering "a different gospel," or 
rather, not another one, but a perversion of the gospel that they had heard. 
Suggesting, if the parallel holds, that Satan wasn't just telling nothing but 
lies; rather, he was twisting the truth that they knew. All very 
interesting possibilities which deserve further reflection and investigation, it 
seems to me. 
And.. Should we give our pulpits over to Satan 
now as the teacher??
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Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Satan

2005-06-05 Thread knpraise


Don't wait up all night looking for a response.
Jd

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From: Hughes Jonathan 

even if an angel from heaven


I think it was from James Jordan that I first encountered the notion that Satan may have had a legitimate teaching task in Eden. After all, despite popular mythology, we don't have a biblical text that specifically points out when Satan fell. Moreover, elsewhere in Scripture, angels are teachers of human beings - indeed, angel means messenger. Furthermore, as I think I noted recently, God pronounces a curse upon the serpent specifically in connection with his deception of Adam and Eve; it could be argued that this is the initial curse against Satan.
Hmmm I don't have to ask who the author of this is. Legitimate teaching task? Only if you want to learn the lie; what do you expect the Father of lies to teach? We do have a biblical text that tells us Satan fell from the third heaven with the angels who rebelled with him, no date but it was before God created AE. I'd like to see somewhere in scripture where angelsteach. A messenger announces something and/or delivers a message. A teacher teaches.
But it strikes me that there is one further possible line of evidence: Galatians 1.8. "But even if we, or an angel from heaven, preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed." It seems to me that it is not much of a stretch to think that Paul is alluding to Satan coming as a messenger from heaven and "preaching" something other than what had already been preached to Adam and Eve - namely, the words of God in Genesis 2.16-17. This is only fortified by the resultant curse upon the serpent in Gen 3.14-15 and Paul's use of the term anathema. The point then would not be that the serpent/Satan was not supposed to be in the garden - he had a legitimate teaching task. But he "preached another message," and Adam and Eve's calling was to judge it in terms of the message they had already received.
AE were to fellowship with and obey God and when they chose to obey the voice with the opposite message they lost it.
This again opens up a further interesting door upon what the serpent was doing, if the analogy goes further. Paul is speaking of those who are offering "a different gospel," or rather, not another one, but a perversion of the gospel that they had heard. Suggesting, if the parallel holds, that Satan wasn't just telling nothing but lies; rather, he was twisting the truth that they knew. All very interesting possibilities which deserve further reflection and investigation, it seems to me. 
And.. Should we give our pulpits over to Satan now as the teacher??
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Re: [TruthTalk] Social concerns and the church

2005-06-05 Thread knpraise

Pure and undefiled religion is defined by James in terms of two different kinds of activities. One has to do with our relationship to others. A second concern is our relationship to ourselves (Jam 1:27). Only the most thoughtless would believe that our responsibility to others is fulfilled in a "Hi and how are you" to the fatherless or that the fatherless are to be our only concern. And we not much help, in some cases, if we are doing what we can to keep ourselves free of worldly influences.

Social concern, then, is a part of our divine imperative.

In James, a book written to those who tended towards legalism and the "doing of church," he pointedly reminds his readers that their efforts are good for nothing if their speech is not followed by action. Be thou warmed and fill is a part of the message of the church. But if it is not accompanied with that which is necessary for the health and well-being of the body, their message is of no use (James 2:16,17)

The story of the good Samaritan is a story that is all about social responsibilities. It's message is as much for us todayas it was 2000 years ago. It is a lie of the Father of Lies to believe and teach that the preaching of repentance is the only evangelical concern of the church. Evangelical, I say, as if social considerations were part of the evangelical outreach of the church. If that is what you thought I had in mind, then I want you to know that, yes, I confirm that impression. God is manifest in us and how we react to the world we live in. That is the example ofChrist. Our lives should be lived with His in mind.

He fed, perhaps, tens of thousands of people (the loaves and the fishes -- is the count of men only?)A dramatic statement of His concern for the social welfare of the community in which He had influence.

His miracles expressed his social concern, as well.

And passages such as Is 58:9-11 make it clear that our search for God will not be complete if it does not included an out-pouring for the hungry and the afflicted.

I, for one, admit my hypocrisy in this part of the ministry of reconciliation. I have failed in the showing of social concern. The question, ask by others on this in an effort to continue the fight, is nonetheless, a good questionwhat are we going to do about the suffering of those not so white and not so rich? I do not know. I am just now asking myself this question.And there will be an answer.

there is too much in scripture for me to deny. A change of mind, for me, is in order and I appreciate Lance and Gary having things to say on this subject that have brought me to this moment.

Grace to you who know not grace,
Peace to you who know not peace,
Love to those who show no love

and mercy upon us all

Re: [TruthTalk] [Bulk] Rmoderator Commant: was: Re: NIV Bible Quiz

2005-06-05 Thread Lance Muir

CPL suggests that 'people with discernment also know WHY they discern the
things they do'. To some extent, IMO, this is illustrative of a genuine
logical dilemma. It has to do with apprehension and articulation. Also, IMO,
such apprehension is available to all of humankind. Sometimes things
(realities) are 'just known'. Again, sometimes this knowing comes over time
via tutelage, mentoring, discipling or apprenticeship. Occasionally life
itself 'teaches' those who are of a mind to learn. This is why the
generalization 'few have ought of substance to say before the age of
40).Before this becomes even more boring, I'll just conclude by saying that
'we all know more than we can say'.


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 Lance, I cannot disagree that Gary MAY have the gift of discernment.
 However, people with discernment also know WHY they discern the things
they
 do.

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 Gary might have the gift of discernment, Charles. If this is the case
then,
 simply 'discerning' (though he didn't, as you seem to suggest infer David
 was a false prophet, IMO) is sufficient.
 
 Why not let David take care of this privately?
 
 
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   Gary, To call someone's comments a myth (even without any evidence)
   expresses your unsupported opinion. But, your parenthetical comment
 equates
   David to a false prophet. Rather than level such an ad hominem attack,
   please provide exidence to support your claim or retract it.
  
   Perry the moderator
  
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   myth (false prophets speak of JC in the past tense for manipulative
   personal reasons or as does the author, below)
   
   On Fri, 3 Jun 2005 20:09:38 -0400 David Miller [EMAIL PROTECTED]
   writes:
..Jesus also respected Scripture the way that we do.
  
  
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Re: [TruthTalk] A public request to DaveH

2005-06-05 Thread Lance Muir




Dave:Thanks for taking a 'run' at it. I'm surprized 
at your response to #1 and, I'll attempt to elucidate. As to #2, I'm afraid it's 
a 'Roseanne Roseanna Danna thingy. (I said Evangelicalism NOT 
Evangelism)!

I believe that thinking shoul be 'open structured'. 
You've read me on this previously so, I'll not repeat myself. I also believe 
that Who Jesus Is is absolutely central to the gospel.(See the Nicean Creed). 
There are distinctives, not historically but in contrast to current evangelical 
thought, that I espouse (see them best articulated in the archives by Bill 
Taylor). Given this, I never cease to subject my beliefs to critical 
questioning. Not unlike yourself, I do this best with those who do not simply 
offer a caricature of that which I believe.
I not only could but do offer a critique of my own 
theology regularly. (Get to the point, Lance) This is that which I sought from 
yourself.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  Dave 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 04, 2005 20:30
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] A public request 
  to DaveH
  Lance Muir wrote: 
  



You've outlined your reasons for being here on 
numerous occasions, Dave.You write well. You read well. You've 
undoubtedly learned much. DAVEH: Thank you for 
  the kind words, Lance. Though I'm not sure I quite deserve 
  them
  
Would you kindly consider the 
following:

1. Write a description of Mormonism, as if you 
were a non-Mormon, utilizing the information you've gleaned while being a 
participant on TT?DAVEH: I'm afraid I 
  don't know how to do that. I think I am far too biased to ever write 
  such from a non-LDS viewpoint.
  

2. Write a description of Evangelicalism, from 
a Mormon persepctive, utilizing the information you've gleaned while being a 
participant on TT?DAVEH: ??? 
  I'm not sure I can do that either. What I see on TT appears not to be 
  evangelism from my (LDS biased) perspective. Maybe if you would define 
  it as you perceive it, the perhaps I could offers my thoughts. 
   Let me explain how I perceive evangelism, and then 
  you can correct (or enlighten) me if I am wrong. I see evangelism as a 
  way or calling to spread the gospel of the Lord. I don't see that 
  happening in TT though. While many have expressed a desire to bring 
  others to Jesus, what appears to happen on TT is quite the opposite. 
  What is said seems to have more an opposing force, rather than an attractive 
  effect. Let me give you an example. To a 
  committed Mormon, having their holy underwear waved in their faces at 
  Conference time is an abomination, and would cause many to recoil rather than 
  be attracted to the message. Similarly, if another TTer takes what I 
  find holy and tries to embarrass me with it in TT, would you think I would be 
  attracted to the person trying to denigrate my beliefs? So where's 
  evangelism in TT? Instead I see strife and intended conflict. It 
  almost seems some folks are here to witness the blood an carnage, if not being 
  the perpetrators of such themselves. Maybe it's like a wrestling 
  match. Do people really watch wrestling to see good triumph over evil, 
  or do they instead simply want to see two guys brutalize one another. 
  IOWthe more blood drawn, the more enthused the crowd. Those who do 
  not enjoy seeing the blood, simply leave the arena after getting their fill of 
  it. Perhaps those of us who remain have a high capacity for the talk 
  that is less true and more battle. SoHas TT merely become a 
  spectator sport in a virtual world of TruthTalk gladiators and not much 
  else?
  

It need not be some multi-page, 
to-be-published, document. Just do what you've already demonstrated that you 
do well.DAVEH: I may have failed you on that 
  one, Lance. I don't think I can step aside my LDS biases enough to give 
  you that view. And, I suspect we have two strikingly different 
  understandings of evangelism. If you want me to elaborate, you'll have 
  to define evangelism as you understand it.
  

I. and every thoughtful participant on TT, 
understands that youdraw a distinction between believers  
non-believerswhich places 'us' in the 
NB category.DAVEH: Not at all, Lance. As 
  far as I've seen, I think all TTers are believers. We just don't believe 
  all the same things. For that matter, I don't think there are any two 
  TTers who believe alike. But in my book, that doesn't mean they are all 
  unbelievers.  As I see it though, 
  believing is simply not enough to achieve salvation.
  

I'm genuinely interested in this. Unless 
the moderator objectsDAVEH: You mean besides 
  objecting to my definition of evangelism, or do you think he will 
  object to me teaching you what I think? :-) 
  
I'd really like to hear you on both of the 
above.

Lance

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Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Satan

2005-06-05 Thread Lance Muir

Lance Muir did not make that submission I've no 
idea who did.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: June 05, 2005 01:47
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Satan
  DAVEH: Mormons have been criticized for suggesting the 
  same. Has JJ received a lot of similar criticism from other 
  Christians?Lance Muir wrote: 

even if an angel from heaven

I think it was from James Jordan that I first encountered the notion that 
Satan may have had a legitimate teaching task in 
  Eden.-- 
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Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Satan

2005-06-05 Thread Lance Muir

Whoops! I now believe that I forwarded something 
received from my friend, Jonathan. Sorry 'bout that.

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: June 05, 2005 01:47
  Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: Satan
  DAVEH: Mormons have been criticized for suggesting the 
  same. Has JJ received a lot of similar criticism from other 
  Christians?Lance Muir wrote: 

even if an angel from heaven

I think it was from James Jordan that I first encountered the notion that 
Satan may have had a legitimate teaching task in 
  Eden.-- 
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Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

2005-06-05 Thread Lance Muir

Correctamundo, bishop!

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
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  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: June 05, 2005 00:19
  Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV 
  Bible Quiz

  To my shame, I am much more inclined to go 2nd grade with you, 
  Kevin. Lance and Gary simply do not spend much time returning 
  insults -- and I am constantlyhaving to hold myself 
  back. If you really were concerned for their answers, they would 
  give answer. But when their words will be twisted and used against 
  them NO MATTER WHAT IS SAID -- well what is the point. 
  You are here on TT just for the fight and nothing else. Virtually 
  all of your posts are about the fight -- complete with insults and 
  the most uncaring presentation of anyone on this forum. 

  JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: 
  Sat, 4 Jun 2005 20:32:05 -0700 (PDT)Subject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] 
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  Are you asking Lance ALSO?
  He is a little backed up with questions he is 
  avoiding.
  Get in Line![EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  wrote:

does the "love of God" in your life say anything to this problem or is 
your thinking that the Government fulfills your responsiblity to those dying 
in the Congo? - or is that just more liberal nonsense? 

JD-Original Message-From: 
ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED]To: 
TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSent: Sat, 4 Jun 2005 09:54:13 
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Lance, get it off 
your chest and please EXPLAIN to us 
exactly what you want US to do SPECIFICALLY about the CONGO! 
Shall we follow your example and just blame other 
entirely guiltless people for it so that we can feel how compassionate we are? 
Izzy

From: 
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On Behalf Of Lance 
MuirSent: Saturday, June 
04, 2005 4:21 AMTo: 
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Bible Quiz

Myopia. Ask your husband about 
it. I've found a total lack of concern on TT, from DM to DH, for global 
issues. To make light of 4M deaths is simply beyond my comprehension. Wait, 
actually it's not as you've all made jokes at any reference to events 
outside of either your neighborhoods or some 'sodomite' convention with an 
accompanying 'hollerin'' contest.

  - Original Message - 

  From: ShieldsFamily 

  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

  Sent: June 
  03, 2005 21:19

  Subject: RE: 
  [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

  You don?t make me 
  feel uncomfortable except for you, Lance. You?re really ?out there? 
  my friend. And your concerns about the Congo?what are you and Canada doing about it? Did you 
  have a complaint with someone other than your beloved United Nations? 
  (It?s a crooked JOKE!!!) Izzy

  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 1:25 
  PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] 
  NIV Bible Quiz

  It's truly uncomfortable is it 
  not? When (in print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do 
  be faithful to one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 
  'hearing in the sky.' He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland 
  security is on the lookout for terrorists. It's the head in the sand 
  thingy, Iz.

  You want serious? I'll give 
  you serious! Does anyone out there know the following: One thousand people 
  die every day in the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of 
  these deaths are accounted for by children under five years of age. 
  These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities 
  since the crisis began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. 
  This makes the DRC conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of 
  World War II and in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, 
  including Bosnia (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo 
  (12,000),. and Darfur in Sudan 
  (70,000)

  Despite this, the 
  international community has failed to take the necessary action to 
  alleviate the crisis. During 2004, only 42% of funding sought by the 
  United Nations for its activities had been raised by August, while 
  contributions by the United Sates Agency for International Assistance to 
  DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% when compared with 2003. 
  "No other recent confllict has claimed as many lives and mortality rates

Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz

2005-06-05 Thread Lance Muir




Suggestions:
1. Intercessory prayer
2. Tell others to pray
3. Be further informed so as to separate the false 
information from the true.
4. Were any of you to watch 'Shake Hands With the 
Devil', you would have heard Dallaire criticize the UN along with the former 
Canadian Ambassador to the UN, Stephen Lewis. The UN ain't much that is good 
but, neither is it nothing.

Does anyone know of the millions who interceded re: 
what has been referred to as the 10/40 window? Of late many Muslims within that 
10/40 window have been receiving visions/dreams of Jesus. 

  - Original Message - 
  From: 
  ShieldsFamily 
  To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 
  
  Sent: June 04, 2005 22:23
  Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV 
  Bible Quiz
  
  Neither Lance nor JD has been one bit helpful today in 
  suggesting concrete ways in which we can cure the ills of the Congo. I 
  am sorely disappointed. Izzy
  
  
  From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] 
  [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Kevin 
  DeeganSent: Saturday, June 04, 2005 7:28 PMTo: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.orgSubject: 
  Re: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] NIV Bible Quiz
  
  I asked you before what you were DOING. You did not want to answer 
  because it is not important. Right!
  
  What gets it DONE JD?
  Tell us how you do it.
  
  Is this not a REAL ISSUE? Then don't avoid it. 
  Just come out and admit it, you are DOING 
  _[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
  


Hidding behind tough words don't get it done, Deegan. 
Just another way of avoiding the real and important issues. 


JD-Original Message-From: Kevin Deegan 
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NIV Bible Quiz



These deaths add daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million 
fatalities since the crisis began in August

Why don't you go over there and do something about it?
Talk is cheap!Lance Muir 
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

  
  
  

  

  It's truly uncomfortable is it not? When (in 
  print) you sound, often, like someone so ?yuck! Do be faithful to 
  one of your own, Iz. Joe looks down from 'the great 'hearing in the sky.' 
  He's on the lookout for 'commies' like homeland security is on the lookout 
  for terrorists. It's the head in the sand thingy, Iz.
  
  You want serious? I'll give you serious! Does 
  anyone out there know the following: One thousand people die every day in 
  the Democratic Republic of Congo (DRC) and nearly half of these deaths are 
  accounted for by children under five years of age. These deaths add 
  daily to the cumulative total of 3.8 million fatalities since the crisis 
  began in August, 1998 to the end of April 2004. This makes the DRC 
  conflict worse than any other conflict since the end of World War II and 
  in terms of death toll exceeds other recent crises, including Bosnia 
  (estimated 250,000 dead), Rwanda (800,000), Kosovo (12,000),. and Darfur 
  in Sudan (70,000)
  
  Despite this, the international community has 
  failed to take the necessary action to alleviate the crisis. During 
  2004, only 42% of funding sought by the United Nations for its activities 
  had been raised by August, while contributions by the United Sates Agency 
  for International Assistance to DRC for 2004 have declined by almost 25% 
  when compared with 2003. "No other recent confllict has claimed as 
  many lives and mortality rates remain elevated at an alarming level. 
  In spite of these unambiguous facts, the international community has not 
  yet mobilized the necessary will or resources to effectively address the 
  crisis," according to the latest mortality study, a joint effort by the 
  New York based International Rescue Committee (IRC) and Australia's Burnet 
  Institute.
  
- Original Message - 
From: 
ShieldsFamily 

To: TruthTalk@mail.innglory.org 

Sent: June 03, 2005 14:27
Subject: RE: [Bulk] Re: [TruthTalk] 
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Oh, good 
grief---why is it that liberals always fall back on those old tried and 
true names to call other people? If it isn?t ?Hitler? it?s 
?McCarthy?. Get a new, but more creative insult please. 
Izzy





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[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance MuirSent: Friday, June 03, 2005 11:47 
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So then Kevin, in 
Senator McCarthy like fashion you hurl out accusations sans proof 
in the hope that the accusation itself will serve you well enough! I'd

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