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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
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Is someone paraphrasing Bob Dylan 
here??
gary ottoson :: http://poet235.com
 
 
jt: Not me Gary - I've never listened to Dylan but I know he did
undergo a conversion experience at one time, in the 70's I think it 
was.
Don't know if today he is still serving the Lord but if he used that phrase 

he got it from the scriptures...
 
Judy

Re: [TruthTalk] PAGAN WOLF FAQ

2003-11-22 Thread ttxpress





 
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Is someone paraphrasing Bob Dylan 
here??
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[TruthTalk] PAGAN WOLF FAQ

From: "Arsene Lupin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
JT:  H!! Fanciful thinking TPW.  So far as He is concerned the gods
of the nations are as nothing. We can be sure that the day WILL occur
because so far Bible prophecy has never failed.  We are told how men who
have not acted upon God's mercy WILL react in that day.  John the beloved
disciple (the one who at the last supper layed his head on Jesus breast)
falls at His feet as one dead - So what makes you think you will be able
to stand and lock eyes with such a One with hair white as snow, eyes a
flame of fire, and a two edged sword coming from His mouth. It will be
reckoning time - too 
late for I apologize or I am sorry.

TPW: What makes me think I couldn't? If you knew someone was comming and
was planning to hurt your family, your friends and all those you care
about, one who would destroy all these things on the basis that I didn't
bow down or 
they were not of the same faith, would you not stand up and fight?  I
wouldn't bow down. I would shout a warcry, a human warcy and run that
tyrant through. Better dead fighting for your kin's freedom than an
eternity of slavery. That is something not even your god could take that
away from me.

jt: I think there are some misconceptions TPW.  My God does not promise
anyone at all an eternity of slavery - where does that come from?  He
does promise that you will spend eternity with the one who you serve and
there are just two Masters so it's either the Lord of Life or the Lord of
Death; Jesus is the Lord of Life and all other gods are part of the other
kingdom.

TPW: I didn't start the fight, but I would try to end it. In the end,
it's god who would lose. He destroys me, It's one less servant he doesn't
have for eternity. He destroys me, I won't know what happened. I won't be
around to have remorse.

jt: God has already given his best for our sake. Yes you will be aware
because you are primarily a spirit being.  God is Spirit and originally
man was created in His image, that is, until he fell into agreement with
the wrong one and the image of God in him was marred.  Spirits don't die.
 You might want to re-read the parable of Lazarus and the rich man, are
you familiar with this parable?

TPW:  My apologies if that sounded grim. But who knows what will truly
happen...

jt: God is not willing that any should perish. He wants all to come to
the knowledge of the truth so He has made it possible that we can
know. If we don't make it we will only have ourselves to blame.

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JT: H!! Fanciful thinking TPW. So far as He is concerned the gods of
the nations are as nothing. We can be sure that the day WILL occur because
so far Bible prophecy has never failed. We are told how men who have not
acted upon God's mercy WILL react in that day. John the beloved disciple
(the one who at the last supper layed his head on Jesus breast) falls at His
feet as one dead - So what makes you think you will be able to stand and
lock eyes with such a One with hair white as snow, eyes a flame of fire, and
a two edged sword coming from His mouth. It will be reckoning time - too
late for I apologize or I am sorry.

TPW: What makes me think I couldn't? If you knew someone was comming and was
planning to hurt your family, your friends and all those you care about, one
who would destroy all these things on the basis that I didn't bow down or
they were not of the same faith, would you not stand up and fight?

I wouldn't bow down. I would shout a warcry, a human warcy and run that
tyrant through. Better dead fighting for your kin's freedom than an eternity
of slavery. That is something not even your god could take that away from
me.

I didn't start the fight, but I would try to end it. In the end, it's god
who would lose. He destroys me, It's one less servant he doesn't have for
eternity. He destroys me, I won't know what happened. I won't be around to
have remorse.

My apologies if that sounded grim. But who knows what will truly happen...

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From: "Arsene Lupin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
JT: Who could make up our minds?  Paganism?  I don't think so.  Jesus
went to the cross for you and I to give us a choice. He said that if we
have seen Him we have seen the Father, IOW the Father is just like Him
and yes, we do have a measure of time right now to get things right.
However, the Day of the Lord is coming and it will be a day of darkness
rather than light.  This is when He will literally put all enemies under
his feet and I would not care to be on the wrong side in that day. This
is when men will cry out for the mountains and rocks to fall on them as
in Revelation 6:15-17.

TPW: I am sorry if I made it sound like I was suggesting that Pagan ways
would be the way for you. Such is not my intent. Just as I despise to be
told what to believe, I wouldn't dare think about undoing your beliefs
and replace them with my own. Besides a "Pagan evangelist" that's unheard
of!  But I must disagree, On that day, should it ever occur, I will not
hide. I will say that no matter how much fear or even awe (Who knows for
sure how will one react to such kind of events?), I would stand, and even
dare to lock my gaze with his. If I am to be judged, let me face my judge
as I must, showing him the same courtesy as I would any opponent. Not out
of pride, but of respect. Only a coward hides. My stance at that 
point? "This is who I am, this is how I chose to live my life, I have no
regrets, do what you must!!"

jt:  H!! Fanciful thinking TPW.  So far as He is concerned the gods
of the nations are as nothing. We can be sure that the day WILL occur
because so far Bible prophecy has never failed.  We are told how men who
have not acted upon God's mercy WILL react in that day.  John the beloved
disciple (the one who at the last supper layed his head on Jesus breast)
falls at His feet as one dead - So what makes you think you will be able
to stand and lock eyes with such a One with hair white as snow, eyes a
flame of fire, and a two edged sword coming from His mouth. It will be
reckoning time - too late for I apologize or I am sorry.

JT: I like the "lead by example" analogy.  We have a saying I like also
and that is  "He that goes forth weeping bearing precious seed shall
doubtless come again with rejoicing, bringing his sheaves with him"

TPW: Interesting, what verse is that?

jt: Psalm 126:5,6

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Re: [TruthTalk] PAGAN WOLF FAQ

2003-11-22 Thread LaurHamm




In a message dated 11/22/2003 1:09:16 PM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
However, In our system we do have a concept of evil/good./neutral (Humanity being an example of "neutral" since we are both capable of the two.)
Can you explain your system?  I never did read many comic books!   I did read Superman years ago.  Laura

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Laura: Who is the conqueror?  Do you believe in Satan?

TPW: I was reffering to any conquering force, it could be anybody. I was 
making a refference to  the mentality behind and the aftermath.

As for Satan, since I explained that I wasn't a Christian, therefore no I 
don't believe in your "accuser". However, In our system we do have a concept 
of evil/good./neutral (Humanity being an example of "neutral" since we are 
both capable of the two.)

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Re: [TruthTalk] PAGAN WOLF FAQ

2003-11-22 Thread LaurHamm




In a message dated 11/22/2003 9:04:58 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
The conqueror's mentality is to destroy, and it was wrong to take innocent lives.Am I ashamed of my Ancestry? No, of course not, but I vowed never to allow this to happen again.
Who is the conqueror?  Do you believe in Satan?  Just curious?  Laura

Re: [TruthTalk] PAGAN WOLF FAQ/Lauren

Dean writes: Laura I recognize this teaching from reading comic books as a
kid-The Pagan Wolf ( or as some call him -Pagan wimp- as I am told) didn't
seem to out grow his comic book characters. Pagan have you tried to twirl a
hammer around-sling it and hang on for a ride in to the sky? I tried this
once as a child-but it didn't work. I never left the ground but shore hurt
my arm. The point is it's time to grow up and leave Thor behind or you will
be hurt by my God who allows you to have the very breath from one moment to
the next..

TPW: *snicker* I think you confuse one aspect of the Asatru faith with the
Marvel Comic's Hero based on that very god. But I forgive you, even thought
you meant to be sarcastic.

And quite frankly, Am I supposed to be impressed by your supernatural
threat? I thought Christians Prayed and didn't curse? Oh well, no matter.

As for the "Pagan Wimp" comment I recongnize that from a certain group of
gentlemen (I am saying "gentlemen" only to be polite) whom I had the
pleasure of taking part of showing them for what they are, the insecure
blowhards who indeed feel mighty intimidating those with poor ego-strenght,
but feel angered at the sight of one man who isn't and even in some cases
had law enforcement agents at the right spot on a few occasions.

*Smiles brightly* that being said, what else is new with you guys, I hear
you suffered a few losses of late...I hope the families don't suffer too
much.

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JT: Who could make up our minds? Paganism? I don't think so. Jesus went
to the cross for you and I to give us a choice. He said that if we have seen
Him we have seen the Father, IOW the Father is just like Him and yes, we do
have a measure of time right now to get things right. However, the Day of
the Lord is coming and it will be a day of darkness rather than light. This
is when He will literally put all enemies under his feet and I would not
care to be on the wrong side in that day. This is when men will cry out for
the mountains and rocks to fall on them as in Revelation 6:15-17.

TPW: I am sorry if I made it sound like I was suggesting that Pagan ways
would be the way for you. Such is not my intent. Just as I despise to be
told what to believe, I wouldn't dare think about undoing your beliefs and
replace them with my own. Besides a "Pagan evangelist" that's unheard of!

But I must disagree, On that day, should it ever occur, I will not hide. I
will say that no matter how much fear or even awe (Who knows for sure how
will one react to such kind of events?), I would stand, and even dare to
lock my gaze with his. If I am to be judged, let me face my judge as I must,
showing him the same courtesy as I would any opponent.

Not out of pride, but of respect. Only a coward hides. My stance at that
point? "This is who I am, this is how I chose to live my life, I have no
regrets, do what you must!!"

JT: I like the "lead by example" analogy. We have a saying I like also and
that is "He that goes forth weeping bearing precious seed shall doubtless
come again with rejoicing, bringing his sheaves with him"

TPW: Interesting, what verse is that?

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Re: [TruthTalk] PAGAN WOLF FAQ/Lauren

2003-11-22 Thread Carrolll Moore

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Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] PAGAN WOLF FAQ/Lauren

In a message dated 11/20/2003 8:10:16 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
TPW: No as I am not a Christian but a Pagan. I believe in a place of rest after death but it's called in our ways Vahalla. It's were the good folk go. The rotten ones go into Nielfelheim. In other circles We go to the Summerlands. Were we are reunited with our ancestors.
Yikes    How do we get to this V place?   Good grief    Are we reading a fiction book?  Is this SciFi? This makes no sense to me at all!    How did you get into this stuff?  Laura

Dean writes: Laura I recognize this teaching from reading comic books as a kid-The Pagan Wolf ( or as some call him -Pagan wimp- as I am told) didn't seem to out grow his comic book characters. Pagan have you tried to twirl a hammer around-sling it and hang on for a ride in to the sky? I tried this once as a child-but it didn't work. I never left the ground but shore hurt my arm. The point is it's time to grow up and leave Thor behind or you will be hurt by my God who allows you to have the very breath from one moment to the next..

[TruthTalk] PAGAN WOLF FAQ


From: "Arsene Lupin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
JT: But TPW they don't pass the fruit test. Didn't Jesus Himself say "You
will know them by their fruit?" and the fruit in a persons life reflects
the root working in their heart. If murder is the fruit of their lives -
they were definitely NOT yoked with Jesus - He was not the root in their
hearts.

TPW: Aaah here's the million dollar question, if they are not yoked with
Jesus, why are there not more Christians speaking out and saying "THIS IS
NOT WHAT GOD TOLD US TO DO?".  You see inaction is like approving the
act. In the past I understand. I studied with great care that
time-period. But today, we have a rather effiecient weapon against such
ugly beast, and that weapon would make Gutenberg green with envy should
he have been with us today. The internet. Nothing can truly be hidden now
(I am well placed to know, I work in that field). Already many are
speaking out, and I rejoice, 
and so, in that respect that's why I like to give a hand with groups that
truly reflect the selflessness of Christ.  Having read that bible, I know
for a fact that alot of things being done in the name in the cross is
really something that the big J would have spat on. In many respects,
when I look at some groups I keep hearing two words "Golden Calf".

JT: Historically mankind has all done the same thing, all that changes is
the name. This is why Jesus went to the cross, to save us from
destruction, in this life and the life to come.

TPW: Sometimes I just wonder if he just bought Christians some time so we
could make up your own minds...

jt: Who could make up our minds?  Paganism?  I don't think so.  Jesus
went to the cross for you and I to give us a choice. He said that if we
have seen Him we have seen the Father, IOW the Father is just like Him
and yes, we do have a measure of time right now to get things right. 
However, the Day of the Lord is coming and it will be a day of darkness
rather than light.  This is when He will literally put all enemies under
his feet and I would not care to be on the wrong side in that day. This
is when men will cry out for the mountains and rocks to fall on them as
in Revelation 6:15-17.

I wrote: Oh, so you are from Viking ancestry? The reason I asked about
FRP is that at one time our son was involved with them and I recognize
some of the same "heroes." Your intent is honorable TPW but where will
you get the power to live it in your own life or enforce it in the life
of other pagans?

TPW: Ah. Of course. As for the power I will need. I have all the tools I
need for that endeavour. You see this is where our respective faiths are
at conflict. You require an outside source (God) in order to be able to
reach outward. We, learn to cultivate our own inner strenght. Focus
within, reach outward. It's not easy, in fact, I wouldn't reccommend it
to anyone. It 
takes a certain mental strenght and will to do so. How will I reach my
kindred? The only way I know. You cannot force them, nor you can berate
them. This is more than likely why many of your preachers are in reality
a failure, no one will budge to a loud-mouth. No, You can only lead by
example and when they ask where you get such strenght, to show them 
the direction they should take.

I know for a fact I will never see the end result, but then we have a
saying 
"The one who plants a acorn will never see it become an oak".

jt: I like the "lead by example" analogy.  We have a saying I like also
and that is  "He that goes forth weeping bearing precious seed shall
doubtless come again with rejoicing, bringing his sheaves with him"

Judy


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JT: But TPW they don't pass the fruit test. Didn't Jesus Himself say "You
will know them by their fruit?" and the fruit in a persons life reflects the
root working in their heart. If murder is the fruit of their lives - they
were definitely NOT yoked with Jesus - He was not the root in their hearts.

TPW: Aaah here's the million dollar question, if they are not yoked with
Jesus, why are there not more Christians speaking out and saying "THIS IS
NOT WHAT GOD TOLD US TO DO?". You see inaction is like approving the act.
In the past I understand. I studied with great care that time-period.

But today, we have a rather effiecient weapon against such ugly beast, and
that weapon would make Gutenberg green with envy should he have been with us
today. The internet. Nothing can truly be hidden now (I am well placed to
know, I work in that field). Already many are speaking out, and I rejoice,
and so, in that respect that's why I like to give a hand with groups that
truly reflect the selflessness of Christ.

Having read that bible, I know for a fact that alot of things being done in
the name in the cross is really something that the big J would have spat on.
In many respects, when I look at some groups I keep hearing two words
"Golden Calf".

JT: Historically mankind has all done the same thing, all that changes is
the name. This is why Jesus went to the cross, to save us from destruction,
in this life and the life to come.

TPW: Sometimes I just wonder if he just bought Christians some time so we
could make up your own minds...

JT: Oh, so you are from Viking ancestry? The reason I asked about FRP is
that at one time our son was involved with them and I recognize some of the
same "heroes." Your intent is honorable TPW but where will you get the power
to live it in your own life or enforce it in the life of other pagans?

TPW: Ah. Of course. As for the power I will need. I have all the tools I
need for that endeavour. You see this is where our respective faiths are at
conflict. You require an outside source (God) in order to be able to reach
outward. We, learn to cultivate our own inner strenght. Focus within, reach
outward. It's not easy, in fact, I wouldn't reccommend it to anyone. It
takes a certain mental strenght and will to do so.

How will I reach my kindred? The only way I know. You cannot force them, nor
you can berate them. This is more than likely why many of your preachers are
in reality a failure, no one will budge to a loud-mouth. No, You can only
lead by example and when they ask where you get such strenght, to show them
the direction they should take.

I know for a fact I will never see the end result, but then we have a saying
"The one who plants a acorn will never see it become an oak".

TPW

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From: "Arsene Lupin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Marlin: What emerged as "Christianity" is actually paganism.  Most of the
holidays and many beliefs and observances of modern day "Christians" are
Pagan, and promoted by hierarchical groups.  The name of Jesus has been
appropriated by paganism.  What we have are some Pagans, calling
themselves "Christians" who have persecuted other Pagans, who have not
converted to the paganism masquerading as "Christianity."

TPW: I heard that song and dance before. "Those were not TRUE
Christians".  And we didn't appropriate Jesus' name. In fact history
reveals that many missionaries merely sought to divert the followers and
say "this is whom you worship now".
Futhermore, you cannot wash your hands clean when the reputation of the
church has been sullied and stained with the blood of innocents.

jt: But TPW they don't pass the fruit test.  Didn't Jesus Himself say
"You will know them by their fruit?" and the fruit in a persons life
reflects the root working in their heart.  If murder is the fruit of
their lives - they were definitely NOT yoked with Jesus - He was not the
root in their hearts.

TPW:  It would be just as if I would say that all the raids and
pilliaging done by Vikings "were not done by REAL vikings". See my point?

jt: Historically mankind has all done the same thing, all that changes is
the name.  This is why Jesus went to the cross, to save us from
destruction, in this life and the life to come.

TPW:  I dare say, I apologize for that. Some of them may be my ancestors.
Whatever reasons behind this was the past, and we paid dearly for it. The
conqueror's mentality is to destroy, and it was wrong to take innocent
lives. Am I ashamed of my Ancestry? No, of course not, but I vowed never
to allow this to happen again.

jt:  Oh, so you are from Viking ancestry?  The reason I asked about FRP
is that at one time our son was involved with them and I recognize some
of the same "heroes."  Your intent is honorable TPW but where will you
get the power to live it in your own life or enforce it in the life of
other pagans?

Judy
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Marlin: What emerged as "Christianity" is actually paganism. Most of the
holidays and many beliefs and observances of modern day "Christians" are
Pagan, and promoted by hierarchical groups. The name of Jesus has been
appropriated by paganism.

What we have are some Pagans, calling themselves "Christians" who have
persecuted other Pagans, who have not converted to the paganism masquerading
as "Christianity."

TPW: I heard that song and dance before. "Those were not TRUE Christians".
And we didn't appropriate Jesus' name. In fact history reveals that many
missionaries merely sought to divert the followers and say "this is whom you
worship now".

Futhermore, you cannot wash your hands clean when the reputation of the
church has been sullied and stained with the blood of innocents. It would be
just as if I would say that all the raids and pilliaging done by Vikings
"were not done by REAL vikings". See my point?

I dare say, I apologize for that. Some of them may be my ancestors. Whatever
reasons behind this was the past, and we paid dearly for it. The conqueror's
mentality is to destroy, and it was wrong to take innocent lives.

Am I ashamed of my Ancestry? No, of course not, but I vowed never to allow
this to happen again.

TPW

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JT: Mesopotamia is the cradle of Civilization, at least that's what they
taught me in Western Civilization and the way I understand it the Celts in
England were originally pagan but it sounds like you are into some kind of
Norse mythology.

TPW: You must not forget that at one point the Anglo met the Saxons...and
that the Norse had a profound influence on the British Isles...

JT: BTW are you involved in fantasy role playing games?

TPW: I fail to see the reasons behind the question. And no. I am not big on
RPG's. I am more a RTS (Real time Strategy) type. I also prefer puzzles.

JT: How do you plan to get it stopped? The RCC is still playing games with
morality. You see the pederasty was not dealt with and it is not talked
about much anymore, will be the same as Michael Jackson who didn't deal with
it 10yrs ago and now here we go again. God says that what is done in secret
will be shouted from the housetops.

TPW: How do I plan to have it stopped? Simple I will start within my own and
vow never to repeat the past. I will focus within and erase my own hatreds
first. I think it's a good place to start as any. I know this may sound
ridiculous to some, but I believe one day there will be some peace between
Pagans and Christians.

I know, that sounds impossible to some. But stranger things have happened.

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Re: [TruthTalk] PAGAN WOLF FAQ

2003-11-22 Thread Terry Clifton







Marlin:
 
I think you may have it figured out.  How do you tell a masquerading pagan from a hypocrite, or is there a difference?
Terry
 
 
What emerged as "Christianity" is actually paganism. Most of the holidays
and many beliefs and observances of modern day "Christians" are Pagan, and
promoted by hierarchical groups. The name of Jesus has been appropriated by
paganism.
 
What we have are some Pagans, calling themselves "Christians" who have
persecuted other Pagans, who have not converted to the paganism masquerading
as "Christianity."
 
--Marlin
 
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No, I don't have a problem with it Izzy and apparently neither does the 
Lord because
I'm constantly talking with Him and He has not convicted me about 
this.  You are the 
one with the problem so I am asking you.  
 
I'm sure glad you are not the Judge.
Judy
 
 
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Ask the Lord.  
Izzy




Which part am I missing Izzy - Hell fire and brimstone? 
Constant burning at Gehenna?

Grace and 
Peace,   Judy
Hi Izzy, you 
write:

JT: I don't know about all that TPW, 
I've seen a lot; but I don't believe a true follower of God, even an immature 
one rejoices when even those he believes to be evil fall. Not if he has any fear 
of God at all in his heart because our scriptures say that God is not pleased 
with that
 
Passive, New-Age 
Christianity thinks such things, Judy.  But our scriptures say: 
 
Hebrews 
10:31:
It is a terrifying thing 
to fall into the hands of the living God.
 
Psalm 
58:10The righteous will rejoice when he sees the vengeance; He will wash 
his feet in the blood of the wicked. 
Proverbs 
11:10When it goes well with the righteous, the city rejoices, and when 
the wicked perish, there is joyful shouting.
It does the Lord great 
injustice to present only ONE side of His personality: He is BOTH Loving and 
Just.  He BOTH rewards righteousness and hates evil. (And those who are 
born again in His image will reflect that duality.) To diminish or ignore one 
side of God becomes an inadvertent, but still black, lie. Balance, Judy, 
balance! Izzy
~~~
Judy:  Not so 
Izzy.  There may be joyful shouting in a city with righteous leadership 
when a wicked king goes on to his reward and I agree that God is a righteous 
judge; yes there will be a recompense to the wicked.  Still it is not our 
place to judge before the time or get too excited about it - David in Psalm 
58 refers to the wicked in general; but our orders are 
to:
"Rejoice not when thine 
enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth; lest the Lord 
see it and it displease him, and he turn away his wrath from him." (Proverbs 
24:17)
Even Job was aware of 
this in his day because he writes "If I rejoiced at the destruction of them 
that hated me, or lifted up myself when evil found him, neither have I suffered 
my mouth to sin by wishing a curse to his soul" (Job 
31:29,30)
And then of course, at 
the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said: "ou have heard that it hath been said "Thou 
shalt love thy neighbor and hate thine enemy.  But I say unto you, Love 
your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray 
for them which despitefully use you and persecute you, that ye may be the 
children of your father which is in heaven; for he maketh his sun to rise on the 
evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust" (Matthew 
5:43,44,45)
Grace and 
Peace,   Judy

Re: [TruthTalk] PAGAN WOLF FAQ

2003-11-21 Thread Marlin Halverson

What emerged as "Christianity" is actually paganism.  Most of the holidays
and many beliefs and observances of modern day "Christians" are Pagan, and
promoted by hierarchical groups.  The name of Jesus has been appropriated by
paganism.

What we have are some Pagans, calling themselves "Christians" who have
persecuted other Pagans, who have not converted to the paganism masquerading
as "Christianity."

--Marlin

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> JT: You say that paganism is so old, even older than Christianity and
> then refer to pagans being harrassed, tortured and killed by
> institutionalized religion Christianity included. Christianity wasn't
> institutionalized until 345 AD under Constantine. ...
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Ask the Lord.  Izzy

 

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Which part am I missing Izzy - Hell fire and brimstone? Constant
burning at Gehenna?





Grace and Peace,   Judy

 

Hi Izzy, you write:



 





JT: I don't know about all that TPW, I've seen a lot; but I
don't believe a true follower of God, even an immature one rejoices when even
those he believes to be evil fall. Not if he has any fear of God at all in his
heart because our scriptures say that God is not pleased with that



 

Passive, New-Age
Christianity thinks such things, Judy.  But our scriptures say: 

 

Hebrews 10:31:

It is a terrifying thing
to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

Psalm
58:10
The righteous will rejoice when he sees the vengeance; He will wash his feet in
the blood of the wicked. 

Proverbs
11:10
When it goes well with the righteous, the city rejoices, and when the wicked
perish, there is joyful shouting.

It does the Lord great injustice to present only ONE side of His
personality: He is BOTH Loving and Just.  He BOTH rewards righteousness
and hates evil. (And those who are born again in His image will reflect that
duality.) To diminish or ignore one side of God becomes an inadvertent, but
still black, lie. Balance, Judy, balance! Izzy

~~~

Judy:  Not so Izzy.  There may be joyful shouting in a city
with righteous leadership when a wicked king goes on to his reward and I agree
that God is a righteous judge; yes there will be a recompense to the
wicked.  Still it is not our place to judge before the time or get too
excited about it - David in Psalm 58 refers to the wicked in general; but
our orders are to:

"Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be
glad when he stumbleth; lest the Lord see it and it displease him, and he turn
away his wrath from him." (Proverbs 24:17)

Even Job was aware of this in his day because he writes "If I
rejoiced at the destruction of them that hated me, or lifted up myself when
evil found him, neither have I suffered my mouth to sin by wishing a curse to
his soul" (Job 31:29,30)

And then of course, at the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said: "ou have
heard that it hath been said "Thou shalt love thy neighbor and hate thine
enemy.  But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you,
do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you and
persecute you, that ye may be the children of your father which is in heaven;
for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on
the just and on the unjust" (Matthew 5:43,44,45)

Grace and Peace,   Judy

[TruthTalk] PAGAN WOLF FAQ

Nobody is claiming the Lord is either or Izzy - the BIG question is how
are
we to be as His servants - how are we to behave when walking in obedience
to Him?
Judy

 "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
As I said: Balance, balance, balance! The Lord is Loving AND Just. (Not
either, or.) Izzy


ShieldsFamily uttered: Milktoast Christianity thinks such things, Judy.
But 
our scriptures say:

TPW: Translation: "Our spin on the bible which convieniently covers our 
inadequacies say..."

Psalm 58:10

The righteous will rejoice when he sees the vengeance; He will wash his
feet

in the blood of the wicked.

TPW:  COUNTER: Proverbs 10:12 "Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love
covereth

all sins."

Proverbs 11:10 When it goes well with the righteous, the city rejoices,
and 
when the wicked perish, there is joyful shouting.

TPW: Counter: Proverbs 10:2 "The merciful man doeth good to his own soul:

but he that is cruel troubleth his own flesh."

Hahahhahaha Didn't think I'd fight back with your own bible huh? Remember

folks, I am well learned. But just for the record Izzy I think you should

re-read Proverbs 17:28

"Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that 
shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding."

And for good mesure, I also reccomend that you re-read Matthew 5:22!!

"Whosoever shall say, thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

Just a few thoughts...TPW
--
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Which part am I missing Izzy - Hell fire and brimstone? Constant burning at 
Gehenna?
 
From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Balance, Judy, BALANCE! Read ALL of 
the Word and your viewpoint won’t be so LOPsided. Izzy

 
Judy:  Not so 
Izzy.  There may be joyful shouting in a city with righteous leadership 
when a wicked king goes on to his reward and I agree that God is a righteous 
judge; yes there will be a recompense to the wicked.  Still it is not our 
place to judge before the time or get too excited about it - David in Psalm 
58 refers to the wicked in general; but our orders are 
to:
"Rejoice not when thine 
enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth; lest the Lord 
see it and it displease him, and he turn away his wrath from him." (Proverbs 
24:17)
Even Job was aware of 
this in his day because he writes "If I rejoiced at the destruction of them 
that hated me, or lifted up myself when evil found him, neither have I suffered 
my mouth to sin by wishing a curse to his soul" (Job 
31:29,30)
And then of course, at 
the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said: "ou have heard that it hath been said "Thou 
shalt love thy neighbor and hate thine enemy.  But I say unto you, Love 
your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray 
for them which despitefully use you and persecute you, that ye may be the 
children of your father which is in heaven; for he maketh his sun to rise on the 
evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust" (Matthew 
5:43,44,45)
Grace and 
Peace,   Judy
 
Hi Izzy, you 
write:

 

JT: I don't know about all that TPW, 
I've seen a lot; but I don't believe a true follower of God, even an immature 
one rejoices when even those he believes to be evil fall. Not if he has any fear 
of God at all in his heart because our scriptures say that God is not pleased 
with that
 
Passive, New-Age 
Christianity thinks such things, Judy.  But our scriptures say: 
 
Hebrews 
10:31:
It is a terrifying thing 
to fall into the hands of the living God.
 
Psalm 
58:10The righteous will rejoice when he sees the vengeance; He will wash 
his feet in the blood of the wicked. 
Proverbs 
11:10When it goes well with the righteous, the city rejoices, and when 
the wicked perish, there is joyful shouting.
It does the Lord great 
injustice to present only ONE side of His personality: He is BOTH Loving and 
Just.  He BOTH rewards righteousness and hates evil. (And those who are 
born again in His image will reflect that duality.) To diminish or ignore one 
side of God becomes an inadvertent, but still black, lie. Balance, Judy, 
balance! Izzy
~~~
Judy:  Not so 
Izzy.  There may be joyful shouting in a city with righteous leadership 
when a wicked king goes on to his reward and I agree that God is a righteous 
judge; yes there will be a recompense to the wicked.  Still it is not our 
place to judge before the time or get too excited about it - David in Psalm 
58 refers to the wicked in general; but our orders are 
to:
"Rejoice not when thine 
enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth; lest the Lord 
see it and it displease him, and he turn away his wrath from him." (Proverbs 
24:17)
Even Job was aware of 
this in his day because he writes "If I rejoiced at the destruction of them 
that hated me, or lifted up myself when evil found him, neither have I suffered 
my mouth to sin by wishing a curse to his soul" (Job 
31:29,30)
And then of course, at 
the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said: "ou have heard that it hath been said "Thou 
shalt love thy neighbor and hate thine enemy.  But I say unto you, Love 
your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray 
for them which despitefully use you and persecute you, that ye may be the 
children of your father which is in heaven; for he maketh his sun to rise on the 
evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust" (Matthew 
5:43,44,45)
Grace and 
Peace,   Judy

RE: [TruthTalk] PAGAN WOLF FAQ


We don't need to worry about 'balance' Izzy other than toward ourselves.
Jesus died so that we could be free to love and so long as we judge
ourselves - 
God will take care of judging all others.  We arn't Him.
Blessings,
Judy


From: "ShieldsFamily" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
As I said: Balance, balance, balance! The Lord is Loving AND Just. (Not
either, or.) Izzy



ShieldsFamily uttered: Milktoast Christianity thinks such things, Judy.
But 
our scriptures say:

TPW: Translation: "Our spin on the bible which convieniently covers our 
inadequacies say..."

Psalm 58:10

The righteous will rejoice when he sees the vengeance; He will wash his
feet

in the blood of the wicked.

TPW:  COUNTER: Proverbs 10:12 "Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love
covereth

all sins."

Proverbs 11:10 When it goes well with the righteous, the city rejoices,
and 
when the wicked perish, there is joyful shouting.

TPW: Counter: Proverbs 10:2 "The merciful man doeth good to his own soul:

but he that is cruel troubleth his own flesh."

Hahahhahaha Didn't think I'd fight back with your own bible huh? Remember

folks, I am well learned. But just for the record Izzy I think you should

re-read Proverbs 17:28

"Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that 
shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding."

And for good mesure, I also reccomend that you re-read Matthew 5:22!!

"Whosoever shall say, thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

Just a few thoughts...TPW

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Balance, Judy, BALANCE! Read ALL of the Word and your
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FAQ

 



Hi Izzy, you write:





 





JT: I don't know about all that TPW, I've seen a lot; but I
don't believe a true follower of God, even an immature one rejoices when even
those he believes to be evil fall. Not if he has any fear of God at all in his
heart because our scriptures say that God is not pleased with that



 

Passive, New-Age
Christianity thinks such things, Judy.  But our scriptures say: 

 

Hebrews 10:31:

It is a terrifying thing
to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

Psalm
58:10
The righteous will rejoice when he sees the vengeance; He will wash his feet in
the blood of the wicked. 

Proverbs
11:10
When it goes well with the righteous, the city rejoices, and when the wicked
perish, there is joyful shouting.

It does the Lord great injustice to present only ONE side of His
personality: He is BOTH Loving and Just.  He BOTH rewards righteousness
and hates evil. (And those who are born again in His image will reflect that
duality.) To diminish or ignore one side of God becomes an inadvertent, but
still black, lie. Balance, Judy, balance! Izzy

~~~

Judy:  Not so Izzy.  There may be joyful shouting in a city
with righteous leadership when a wicked king goes on to his reward and I agree
that God is a righteous judge; yes there will be a recompense to the
wicked.  Still it is not our place to judge before the time or get too
excited about it - David in Psalm 58 refers to the wicked in general; but
our orders are to:

"Rejoice not when thine enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be
glad when he stumbleth; lest the Lord see it and it displease him, and he turn
away his wrath from him." (Proverbs 24:17)

Even Job was aware of this in his day because he writes "If I
rejoiced at the destruction of them that hated me, or lifted up myself when
evil found him, neither have I suffered my mouth to sin by wishing a curse to
his soul" (Job 31:29,30)

And then of course, at the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said: "ou have
heard that it hath been said "Thou shalt love thy neighbor and hate thine
enemy.  But I say unto you, Love your enemies, bless them that curse you,
do good to them that hate you, and pray for them which despitefully use you and
persecute you, that ye may be the children of your father which is in heaven;
for he maketh his sun to rise on the evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on
the just and on the unjust" (Matthew 5:43,44,45)

Grace and Peace,   Judy

RE: [TruthTalk] PAGAN WOLF FAQ

As I said: Balance, balance, balance! The Lord is Loving AND Just. (Not
either, or.) Izzy

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ShieldsFamily uttered: Milktoast Christianity thinks such things, Judy. But 
our scriptures say:

TPW: Translation: "Our spin on the bible which convieniently covers our 
inadequacies say..."

Psalm 58:10

The righteous will rejoice when he sees the vengeance; He will wash his feet

in the blood of the wicked.

TPW:  COUNTER: Proverbs 10:12 "Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth

all sins."

Proverbs 11:10 When it goes well with the righteous, the city rejoices, and 
when the wicked perish, there is joyful shouting.

TPW: Counter: Proverbs 10:2 "The merciful man doeth good to his own soul: 
but he that is cruel troubleth his own flesh."

Hahahhahaha Didn't think I'd fight back with your own bible huh? Remember 
folks, I am well learned. But just for the record Izzy I think you should 
re-read Proverbs 17:28

"Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that 
shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding."

And for good mesure, I also reccomend that you re-read Matthew 5:22!!

"Whosoever shall say, thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

Just a few thoughts...TPW

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JT: You say that paganism is so old, even older than Christianity and
then refer to pagans being harrassed, tortured and killed by
institutionalized religion Christianity included. Christianity wasn't
institutionalized until 345 AD under Constantine. What was
institutionalized in Europe before that? (you did say your religion was
European didn't you?). A true believer does not flaunt themselves because
love does not make a show but Christians want to give and share because
this is the essence of our faith. Our God is love. ATST love isn't God.

TPW: Before Christianity under Constatine we had our problems with Rome
(But then who the heck didn't during that time period?). But the even the
Romans were kinder in some respects as opposed to the rule that
Constatine's endeavours brought. As for Christianity being younger than
the original Paganism, depends how you see it. If you refer to the new
testament then I have to say yes. If you refer to the OT, then I would
have to say that we were there in Europe while 
other empires were being raised and we were there up north, way up there
while your biblicals heroes were doing their thing way down south!!

jt: Mesopotamia is the cradle of Civilization, at least that's what they
taught me in Western Civilization and the way I understand it the Celts
in England were originally pagan but it sounds like you are into some
kind of Norse mythology. BTW are you involved in fantasy role playing
games?  I wrote:  I've seen a lot; but I don't believe a true follower of
God, even an immature one rejoices when even those he believes to be evil
fall. Not if he has any fear of God at all in his heart 
because our scriptures say that God is not pleased with that. I haven't a
clue who Torquemada is - why would anyone envy him?

TPW: *Sigh* if only more Christians were like you, I wouldn't have to do
HALF of the things I had to do. As for Torquemada, I am surprised you
never heard of him. Still for your intellectual appetite I submit this
bit of information, concerning this sinister character who makes both
Paul Hill, Fred Phelps and even Pat Robertson look like kittens. Tomas de
Torquemada, 142098, Spanish churchman and inquisitor. A Dominican, he
became confessor to Ferdinand II and Isabella I and in 1483 was appointed
inquisitor general of Castile and Aragón, charged with the centralization
of the Spanish. He was largely instrumental in bringing about the
expulsion of the Jews in 1492. His great authority was contested by
colleagues and was diminished in some measure by the pope, but he
remained preeminent until his death. Torquemada owes his reputation for
cruelty to the harsh rules of procedure that he devised for the
Inquisition and to the rigor with which he had them enforced I would also
submit more on the Inquisition, but I have learned in the past that
sometimes many modern christians have felt weak in the knees and were
tremendously shaken to the point of being unable to pursue the
discussion. I therefore will spare you. You may however want to research
on it on your own time and see what it is precisely that I take part in
avoiding.

jt: Thanks for the history lesson TPW - actually I like history but what
calls itself RCC Christianity will have a lot to answer for along with
the British (my mother always says that about the British).  I wrote: TPW
are you saying that the pagans are strong, well adjusted, and full of
valour while those serving the God of the Universe are sociopaths?

TPW: What I am saying is we don't sweep our sociopaths under the rug and
pretend they never were there. Paganism has blood on it's hands and we
vow never to allow this sort of thing to happen again. 

jt: How do you plan to get it stopped? The RCC is still playing games
with morality.  You see the pederasty was not dealt with and it is not
talked about much anymore, will be the same as Michael Jackson who didn't
deal with it 10yrs ago and now here we go again.  God says that what is
done in secret will be shouted from the housetops.

TPW: We know that our ancestors have done some horrible things (The
vikings were not angels, raids and plundering are not nice things to do).
 What makes me shudder alot is many professing Christians know little or
nothing about their church's history and even it's mistakes. Remember,
the Church may be the bride of God, but it's not God now is it? Many
pastors would avoid serious mistakes if they knew how the church grew and
what NOT to do should they face a situation that they once faced in the
past.

jt: Actually it's the bride of Christ and possibly many pastors do not
claim the history of the RCC/Episcopalean sector.
No, the Church isn't God.  God has given us a measure of time to get it
together, it presently appears to be a bit of a mess
but what do I know.  Jesus is the builder and he says that the gates of
hell will not prevail against his Church.

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Hi Izzy, you 
write:
 
JT: I don't know 
about all that TPW, I've seen a lot; but I don't believe a true follower of God, even an 
immature one rejoices when even those he believes to be evil fall. Not if he has any 
fear of God at all in his heart because our scriptures say that God is not pleased with 
that

 
Passive, New-Age 
Christianity thinks such things, Judy.  But our scriptures say: 
 
Hebrews 
10:31:
It is a terrifying thing 
to fall into the hands of the living God.
 
Psalm 
58:10The righteous will rejoice when he sees the vengeance; He 
will wash his feet in the blood of the wicked. 
Proverbs 
11:10When it goes well with the righteous, the city rejoices, and when 
the wicked perish, there is joyful shouting.
It does the Lord great 
injustice to present only ONE side of His personality: He is BOTH Loving and 
Just.  He BOTH rewards righteousness and hates evil. (And those who are 
born again in His image will reflect that duality.) To diminish or ignore one 
side of God becomes an inadvertent, but still black, lie. Balance, Judy, 
balance! Izzy
~~~
Judy:  Not so 
Izzy.  There may be joyful shouting in a city with righteous leadership 
when a wicked king goes on to his reward and I agree that God is a righteous 
judge; yes there will be a recompense to the wicked.  Still it is not our 
place to judge before the time or get too excited about it - David in Psalm 
58 refers to the wicked in general; but our orders are 
to:
"Rejoice not when thine 
enemy falleth, and let not thine heart be glad when he stumbleth; lest the Lord 
see it and it displease him, and he turn away his wrath from him." (Proverbs 
24:17)
Even Job was aware of 
this in his day because he writes "If I rejoiced at the destruction of them 
that hated me, or lifted up myself when evil found him, neither have I suffered 
my mouth to sin by wishing a curse to his soul" (Job 31:29,30)
And then of course, at 
the Sermon on the Mount, Jesus said: "ou have heard that it hath been said "Thou 
shalt love thy neighbor and hate thine enemy.  But I say unto you, Love 
your enemies, bless them that curse you, do good to them that hate you, and pray 
for them which despitefully use you and persecute you, that ye may be the 
children of your father which is in heaven; for he maketh his sun to rise on the 
evil and on the good, and sendeth rain on the just and on the unjust" (Matthew 
5:43,44,45)
Grace and 
Peace,   Judy

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2003-11-21 Thread Terry Clifton




 

  WOW!  Amazing insight.  Can 
  this really be Izzy, or did she hire a writer.
   
  Terry
   
  
  Passive, New-Age 
  Christianity thinks such things, Judy.  But our scriptures say: 
   
  Hebrews 
  10:31:
  It is a terrifying 
  thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
  Psalm 
  58:10The righteous will rejoice when he sees the vengeance; He 
  will wash his feet in the blood of the wicked. Proverbs 
  11:10When it goes well with the righteous, the city rejoices, and when 
  the wicked perish, there is joyful shouting.
  It does the Lord great 
  injustice to present only ONE side of His personality: He is BOTH Loving and 
  Just.  He BOTH rewards righteousness and hates evil. (And those who are 
  born again in His image will reflect that duality.) To diminish or ignore one 
  side of God becomes an inadvertent, but still black, lie.  Balance, Judy, 
  balance! Izzy

RE: [TruthTalk] PAGAN WOLF FAQ

2003-11-21 Thread Arsene Lupin

ShieldsFamily uttered: Milktoast Christianity thinks such things, Judy. But 
our scriptures say:

TPW: Translation: "Our spin on the bible which convieniently covers our 
inadequacies say..."

Psalm 58:10

The righteous will rejoice when he sees the vengeance; He will wash his feet 
in the blood of the wicked.

TPW:  COUNTER: Proverbs 10:12 "Hatred stirreth up strifes: but love covereth 
all sins."

Proverbs 11:10 When it goes well with the righteous, the city rejoices, and 
when the wicked perish, there is joyful shouting.

TPW: Counter: Proverbs 10:2 "The merciful man doeth good to his own soul: 
but he that is cruel troubleth his own flesh."

Hahahhahaha Didn't think I'd fight back with your own bible huh? Remember 
folks, I am well learned. But just for the record Izzy I think you should 
re-read Proverbs 17:28

"Even a fool, when he holdeth his peace, is counted wise: and he that 
shutteth his lips is esteemed a man of understanding."

And for good mesure, I also reccomend that you re-read Matthew 5:22!!

"Whosoever shall say, thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire."

Just a few thoughts...TPW

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Milktoast
Christianity thinks such things, Judy.  But our scriptures say: 

 

 

 

-Original
Message-

JT:
I don't know about all that TPW, I've seen a lot; but I don't believe a 

true
follower of God, even an immature one rejoices when even those he 

believes
to be evil fall. Not if he has any fear of God at all in his heart 

because
our scriptures say that God is not pleased with that

 

Passive, New-Age Christianity
thinks such things, Judy.  But our scriptures say: 

 

Hebrews 10:31:

It is a terrifying thing
to fall into the hands of the living God.

Psalm
58:10
The righteous will rejoice when he sees the vengeance; He will wash his
feet in the blood of the wicked. 
Proverbs
11:10
When it goes well with the righteous, the city rejoices, and when the wicked
perish, there is joyful shouting.

It does the Lord great injustice to present only ONE side of His
personality: He is BOTH Loving and Just.  He BOTH rewards righteousness
and hates evil. (And those who are born again in His image will reflect that
duality.) To diminish or ignore one side of God becomes an inadvertent, but
still black, lie.  Balance, Judy, balance! Izzy

Re: [TruthTalk] PAGAN WOLF FAQ

2003-11-21 Thread Arsene Lupin

JT: You say that paganism is so old, even older than Christianity and then
refer to pagans being harrassed, tortured and killed by institutionalized
religion Christianity included. Christianity wasn't institutionalized until
345 AD under Constantine. What was institutionalized in Europe before that?
(you did say your religion was European didn't you?). A true believer does
not flaunt themselves because love does not make a show but Christians want
to give and share because this is the essence of our faith. Our God is love.
ATST love isn't God.

TPW: Before Christianity under Constatine we had our problems with Rome (But
then who the heck didn't during that time period?). But the even the Romans
were kinder in some respects as opposed to the rule that Constatine's
endeavours brought.

As for Christianity being younger than the original Paganism, depends how
you see it. If you refer to the new testament then I have to say yes. If you
refer to the OT, then I would have to say that we were there in Europe while
other empires were being raised and we were there up north, way up there
while your biblicals heroes were doing their thing way down south!!

JT: I don't know about all that TPW, I've seen a lot; but I don't believe a
true follower of God, even an immature one rejoices when even those he
believes to be evil fall. Not if he has any fear of God at all in his heart
because our scriptures say that God is not pleased with that. I haven't a
clue who Torquemada is - why would anyone envy him?

TPW: *Sigh* if only more Christians were like you, I wouldn't have to do
HALF of the things I had to do.
As for Torquemada, I am surprised you never heard of him. Still for your
intellectual appetite I submit this bit of information, concerning this
sinister character who makes both Paul Hill, Fred Phelps and even Pat
Robertson look like kittens.

Tomas de Torquemada, 142098, Spanish churchman and inquisitor. A Dominican,
he became confessor to Ferdinand II and Isabella I and in 1483 was appointed
inquisitor general of Castile and Aragón, charged with the centralization of
the Spanish. He was largely instrumental in bringing about the expulsion of
the Jews in 1492. His great authority was contested by colleagues and was
diminished in some measure by the pope, but he remained preeminent until his
death. Torquemada owes his reputation for cruelty to the harsh rules of
procedure that he devised for the Inquisition and to the rigor with which he
had them enforced

I would also submit more on the Inquisition, but I have learned in the past
that sometimes many modern christians have felt weak in the knees and were
tremendously shaken to the point of being unable to pursue the discussion. I
therefore will spare you. You may however want to research on it on your own
time and see what it is precisely that I take part in avoiding.

JT: TPW are you saying that the pagans are strong, well adjusted, and full
of valour while those serving the God of the Universe are sociopaths?

TPW: What I am saying is we don't sweep our sociopaths under the rug and
pretend they never were there. Paganism has blood on it's hands and we vow
never to allow this sort of thing to happen again. We know that our
ancestors have done some horrible things (The vikings were not angels, raids
and plundering are not nice things to do)

What makes me shudder alot is many professing Christians know little or
nothing about their church's history and even it's mistakes. Remember, the
Church may be the bride of God, but it's not God now is it? Many pastors
would avoid serious mistakes if they knew how the church grew and what NOT
to do should they face a situation that they once faced in the past.

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That's cute Laura, then the 3yr old who likes to sing must be your 
grandaughter who is homeschooled - right?
We've been keeping our 16mth old grandson today and he's got my husband and 
I whipped (well almost :-)
I didn't think he would ever lay down for a nap. Would love to have just 
part of his energy.  Say where is Glenn? \
I don't think of read from him since I've been active on TT?
 
Judy
 
On Thu, 20 Nov 2003 16:41:51 EST [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:

  
  In a message dated 11/20/2003 8:22:13 AM Central Standard Time, 
  [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
  jt: Why do you call Laura child TPW, she has just stated that she 
is aparent. Are you an old man?
  In fact   I am a grandparent.  Our buddy Glenn calls me an 
  old woman!   Laura

Re: [TruthTalk] PAGAN WOLF FAQ/Lauren

2003-11-20 Thread LaurHamm




In a message dated 11/20/2003 8:22:13 AM Central Standard Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
jt: Why do you call Laura child TPW, she has just stated that she is aparent. Are you an old man?
In fact   I am a grandparent.  Our buddy Glenn calls me an old woman!   Laura

[TruthTalk] PAGAN WOLF FAQ


TPW: More of a survival technique that was adopted after centuries of
getting harrassed, tortured and even killed for not following
institutionalized religion (Christianity being one of them). But of
course there is also the element of mystery combined. We don't like to
advertise much our own personal experiences. Reason: It's personal. Hence
that is something I never could understand about the Christian way, If
Jesus is a personal god, why does his followers flaunt their experiences?
I would guard it jealously myself and only speak of it when I finally
know for sure that I can trust that person.

jt: You say that paganism is so old, even older than Christianity and
then refer to pagans being harrassed, tortured and killed by
institutionalized religion Christianity included.  Christianity wasn't
institutionalized until 345 AD under Constantine. What was
institutionalized in Europe before that? (you did say your religion was
European didn't you?). I true believer does not flaunt themselves because
love does not make a show but Christians want to give and share because
this is the essence of our faith.  Our God is love.  ATST love isn't God.

JT: Interesting - that you would feel threatened by Christians TPW. My
prayer today is that you will come to know the Prince of Peace,

TPW: Not threatened  by Christians dear, but by ursupers who adopted a
platform of violence and hate. They are the ones you have to worry about.
Reason: the religious fanatic is by nature insecure, and hence will mount
great campaigns to score points with the afterlife and God and those
thinking they are the "authority" on the supernatural.

You may have seen this before, the one church member who is over-zealous,
bitter on his outlook of the world, yet rejoices at the very thought of
his God cutting a swath thru unbelievers. He will rejoice when
unbelievers suffer and claim that it was divine intervention.  At heart
he is always on the verge of shedding tears. He is torn between accepting
his weaknesses as a human and his religious pride. On the outside, he
seems like a fervent believer, on the inside, he envies Torquemada.

jt: I don't know about all that TPW, I've seen a lot; but I don't believe
a true follower of God, even an immature one rejoices when even those he
believes to be evil fall.  Not if he has any fear of God at all in his
heart because our scriptures say that God is not pleased with that. I
haven't a clue who Torquemada is - why would anyone envy him?

TPW: Those are the dangerous ones, the sociopaths we really need to watch
out for. their heart seem in the right place, but look at their hands and
your will see the blood that might be or has been already!!

jt: TPW are you saying that the pagans are strong, well adjusted, and
full of valour while those serving the God of the Universe are
sociopaths?

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JT: Would it be fair to say that you worship the creation rather than the
Creator TPW?

TPW: A misconception. We acknowledge the creation made by the creator and
honor it by preserving it. Just like one would honor the craftsmanship of a
carpenter who built a house by maintaining it.

JT: So Paganism is along the same lines as the adept system or the mystery
religious?

TPW: More of a survival technique that was adopted after centuries of
getting harrassed, tortured and even killed for not following
institutionalized religion (Christianity being one of them). But of course
there is also the element of mystery combined. We don't like to advertise
much our own personal experiences. Reason: It's personal.

Hence that is something I never could understand about the Christian way, If
Jesus is a personal god, why does his followers flaunt their experiences? I
would guard it jealously myself and only speak of it when I finally know for
sure that I can trust that person.

JT: Interesting - that you would feel threatened by Christians TPW. My
prayer today is that you will come to know the Prince of Peace,

TPW: Not threatened by Christians dear, but by ursupers who adopted a
platform of violence and hate. They are the ones you have to worry about.
Reason: the religious fanatic is by nature insecure, and hence will mount
great campaigns to score points with the afterlife and God and those
thinking they are the "authority" on the supernatural.

You may have seen this before, the one church member who is over-zealous,
bitter on his outlook of the world, yet rejoices at the very thought of his
God cutting a swath thru unbelievers. He will rejoice when unbelievers
suffer and claim that it was divine intervention.
At heart he is always on the verge of shedding tears. He is torn between
accepting his weaknesses as a human and his religious pride. On the outside,
he seems like a fervent believer, on the inside, he envies Torquemada.

Those are the dangerous ones, the sociopaths we really need to watch out
for. their heart seem in the right place, but look at their hands and your
will see the blood that might be or has been already!!

TPW

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Lauren: Yikes How do we get to this V(alhalla) place?

TPW: Since Valhalla means the "Halls of the Valor" I think you now have an 
idea what I must do.

Lauren: Good grief Are we reading a fiction book? Is this SciFi?

TPW: No, It's just what people believed long before Christianity came to 
Europe. Mind you, I follow a revised and I will admit, less bloody tenement 
of the Asatru faith

Lauren: This makes no sense to me at all! How did you get into this stuff?

TPW: I was born into it. As for not making sense, well, it's ok, I still 
respect you even if you do not understand. I am not asking you to 
understand, just to accept the fact that you are not alone on this planet.

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JT: Upon what basis do these beliefs rest?

TPW: A certain spiritual experience I had. I won't discuss it now. But maybe
in the future when I know I can trust some of you...

JT: Because it is appointed unto man once to die and after comes the
judgment. Do you believe you will be able to stand in the day of judgment
TPW?

TPW: Yes. Should there be a judgement made on me I will stand and accept
whatever decision is made. Reason. I will not be ashamed of who I am for no
one. Whereever I may end, I will make the most of it, no matter what!

JT: Why do you call Laura child TPW, she has just stated that she is a
parent. Are you an old man?

TPW: My apologies, It's just the way she shaped her sentences so short and
abrupt, while maintaining her innoncence, I thought I was dealing with a
younger person. And no, I am not an old man, yet. In fact I am three decades
old if you are wondering.

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From: "Arsene Lupin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> writes:
Laura: If you have no hope for the future, then do you fear death?

TPW: You misread child, I said I build my future in the present. If you
work hard at something it will flourish in the future. 

jt: Only because in His great mercy, our God causes it to rain upon both
just and unjust.

TPW: And no I do not fear death as death is a natural thing. Why fear
death if it's natural?

jt: Because it is appointed unto man once to die and after comes the
judgment.  Do you believe you will be able to stand in the day of
judgment TPW?

Laura: Do you believe there is a heaven and a hell? Do you believe in
sin? if so what is sin?

TPW: No as I am not a Christian but a Pagan. I believe in a place of rest
after death but it's called in our ways Vahalla. It's were the good folk
go. The rotten ones go into Nielfelheim. In other circles We go to the
Summerlands. Were we are reunited with our ancestors.

jt: Upon what basis do these beliefs rest?

TPW: Keep asking questions child, yours are short but honest and devoid
of malice.

jt: Why do you call Laura child TPW, she has just stated that she is a
parent. Are you an old man?

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2003-11-20 Thread LaurHamm




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TPW: No as I am not a Christian but a Pagan. I believe in a place of rest after death but it's called in our ways Vahalla. It's were the good folk go. The rotten ones go into Nielfelheim. In other circles We go to the Summerlands. Were we are reunited with our ancestors.
Yikes    How do we get to this V place?   Good grief    Are we reading a fiction book?  Is this SciFi? This makes no sense to me at all!    How did you get into this stuff?  Laura

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Good Morning TPW, you write:
From: "Arsene Lupin" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Dave Miller: This fits very well with my experience with pagans. The
truth is, I have not met any pagan that created any kind of significant
statue the way that Hindus do.

TPW: No we just have Stonehedge and other Stone alignments known either
as Cromlech or Dolmens. We opt for the natural temple. In fact the entire
world is one when you think about it.

jt: Would it be fair to say that you worship the creation rather than the
Creator TPW?

Dave Miller: What exactly goes on in your mind when you pray to a god
like Thor? Is he the one you normally pray to, or do you pray to others?

TPW: That is a private matter. You see unlike you Christians we do not
feel the need to share our personnal lives with every Tom, Dick and
Harry. We do not do "testimonies". In fact our spiritual lives are so
private that what you do when asking us is the spiritual equivalent of
asking a woman what her bra size is or what color are her undergarments.
I refuse flat out to share that in a public forum thank you very much!

jt: So paganism is along the same lines as the adept system or the
mystery religious?

Dave Miller: I'm just trying to understand what your day to day life is
like.

TPW: It sounds more like you seek to know how the Heathen mind operates.
My Day to day life is no different than joe down the street. We put our
pants on one leg at the time.

Dave Miller: Another popular name I have had pagans bring up to me is
Odin. Does Odin have any particular significance with you or with the
other pagans with whom you associate?

TPW: I already gave you a site that would have helped you explain, and I
already explained to you that these things are private matters. Sorry
Dave, Access denied.

Dave Miller: By the way, do you get together with pagans for any kind of
religious purpose, worship, prayer, or whatever? Are there any days that
you hold to be particularly special and religiously observe with other
pagans?

TPW: Why would you need to know with whom I associate and when? What good
will it do to you, since you do not believe in our ways? I will sound a
mite paranoid, but is it only to find out where we would be celebrating
and for 
you the crash the party? I think not. I prefer to remain silent on that
matter and refuse flat out to reveal any information that would probably
endanger my fellow heathens.  The Pagan Wolf

jt: Interesting - that you would feel threatened by Christians TPW.
My prayer today is that you will come to know the Prince of Peace,

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Laura: If you have no hope for the future, then do you fear death?

TPW: You misread child, I said I build my future in the present. If you work 
hard at something it will flourish in the future. And no I do not fear death 
as death is a natural thing. Why fear death if it's natural?

Laura: Do you believe there is a heaven and a hell? Do you believe in sin? 
if so what is sin?

TPW: No as I am not a Christian but a Pagan. I believe in a place of rest 
after death but it's called in our ways Vahalla. It's were the good folk go. 
The rotten ones go into Nielfelheim. In other circles We go to the 
Summerlands. Were we are reunited with our ancestors.

Keep asking questions child, yours are short but honest and devoid of 
malice.

TPW

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