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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: interestingly Terry hasn't answered while your evidently ignorant 'Yes'quite naturallyaffirms the impossible--opposite'truthful' characterizations of God's thought..it'sa typical dialectical comment, whereas, one may "Seek the LORD..[who said his] 'thoughts are not y/our thoughts..' " G - Maybe I am getting (more) feeble minded G. I was not aware that you had asked me a question. If you will repeat it, I will try to respond. Terry
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Title: 9/11 overview If so, Marlin, what would that indicate to you? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlin Halverson Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 11:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview What am I missing here??? Izzy There were at least two other buildings that were demolished and the media did not draw attention to it. I never knew about these until I searched these sites and viewed the photographs again. The airplanes could not have done this, let alone the damage attributed to them in the twin towers. Check out the videos and studies posted at the sites. Take another look at the evidence. There is a great deal missing from 'official' reports. You just might be disillusioned. Marlin - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 7:23 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview Marlin, Wouldnt you think that two collapsing buildings the size of the WTC would set off a lot of explosions (gas, etc.) in the process? Wouldnt it feel like an earthquake? What am I missing here??? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlin Halverson Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview Not all that seems true is true. --Marlin Evidence of Controlled Demolition by: Geronimo Jones 9-11, THE EXPLOSIVE TRUTH REVEALED It was a picture perfect day in September. I was watering some plants on my terrace and enjoying the unseasonably warm weather when I heard the sound of a plane flying low. Within seconds I watched in horror as the unthinkable unfolded, right in my backyard! The shock was overwhelming. My first thoughts was that it was a terrorist attack. This was confirmed by the news reports of Al Qaeda. But one thing the reporters left out was something I witnessed first hand. A very important omission at that! Seconds before the South Tower crumbled to its doom, I heard/felt a series of explosions. Same with the North Tower. There was no denying it, I could FEEL the vibrations of them like a small earthquake. Yet when I turned on the news none of the other eyewitnesses commented on this. Indeed, in the days that followed, like many Americans, I remained glued to the news networks to keep myself informed of any developments and confirm what I had witnessed. But despite the numerous eyewitness accounts, there was still no mention of the explosions. I decided to examine the evidence for myself http://letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html The foundations were 70 feet deep. At that level, 47 huge box columns, connected to the bedrock, supported the entire gravity load of the structures. The steel walls of these lower box columns were 4 inches thick. This is where clean-up crew discovered hot spots of literally molten steel more than a month after the collapse. Such persistent and intense residual heat, 70 feet below the surface, required the help of a professional. A call was placed to Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) who arrived on the WTC site two days later and wrote the clean-up plan for the entire operation American Free Press asked Loizeaux about the report of molten steel on the site. Yes, he said, hot spots of molten steel in the basements. These incredibly hot areas were found at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels, Loizeaux said. The molten steel was found three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed, Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon. What could have caused those box columns of 4-inch thick steel to melt like this?
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I wouldn't receive it Izzy - It's got to be heresy because God doesn't respect any man's person. IOW - He has no favorites, loves everyone but we receive according to our deeds. We are either for Him or we are against Him and receive blessing or curse accordingly. Had a fantastic week of ministry in GA and metppl from all over the US. Tonight we are in Meridian MS on our way to AR for the Taylorfamily reunion. They had a pretty good hit by Ivan here - we seetrees down and debris everywhere. The Welcome MS Rest Stop ladies told us thattheir lights were out and toilets not working for a couple of days which didn't make the truck drivers very happy. BTW where did Lance and Jonathan retire to? Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:God has spoken to me to let me know (and pass it on) that Rudi is one of His favorites. John the BelovedPraise God!!! Could you check on the status of G for us now? Izzy He said, "Absolutely." John
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On Mon, 20 Sep 2004 07:25:09 -0400 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: [i suspect/ed (however) thatthis is true:] ..G.I was..aware that you had asked..a question..
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this is rather strong language, below; apologies if/as it offends however, moving on, perhaps someone heremay desire insight into God's thought/s about people which buffermy critique(?) E.g., the way it's written, Moses' flood storydoes not convey thatNoah (et. al.; the 8 survivors mentioned in Peter's writing, too)possessed personal star power likea Madonna; even if he did, one could argue thatNoah was no Mother Teresa, but perhapsa Jimmy Swaggert anyway, aside from such cultural frivolity, in Moses' realm of (God's) thought, Noah's obedience is captivating; however, so is his disobedience acc to Moses, they're disparate elements of his character carefullydocumented against the background of two societies' civilized lawlessness--the society destroyed by water, the societythe survivor/sfounded.. literarily, i think the deeper issue Moses is addressing is the absolute indispensability of God's grace; while there is no ocean bottom to it yet too explosive materialit isfor thosewho'd manufacturethe Rule of Law.. G On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 21:47:46 -0600 [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: interestingly Terry hasn't answered while your evidently ignorant 'Yes'quite naturallyaffirms the impossible--opposite'truthful' characterizations of God's thought..it'sa typical dialectical comment, whereas, one may "Seek the LORD..[who said his] 'thoughts are not y/our thoughts..' " G On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:13:57 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 4:59 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview iz thiswhatGod thinks? or is that what God thinks? On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 13:50:42 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Some of us are just more special than others. J Izzy PS (Think Mother Theresa and Saddam Hussein.) || On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:30:38 -0400 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ||God thinks you are special.just like everyone else.
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In a message dated 9/20/2004 3:43:05 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: this is rather strong language, below; apologies if/as it offends however, moving on, perhaps someone here may desire insight into God's thought/s about people which buffer my critique(?) E.g., the way it's written, Moses' flood story does not convey that Noah (et. al.; the 8 survivors mentioned in Peter's writing, too) possessed personal star power like a Madonna; even if he did, one could argue that Noah was no Mother Teresa, but perhaps a Jimmy Swaggert anyway, aside from such cultural frivolity, in Moses' realm of (God's) thought, Noah's obedience is captivating; however, so is his disobedience acc to Moses, they're disparate elements of his character carefully documented against the background of two societies' civilized lawlessness--the society destroyed by water, the society the survivor/s founded.. literarily, i think the deeper issue Moses is addressing is the absolute indispensability of God's grace; while there is no ocean bottom to it yet too explosive material it is for those who'd manufacture the Rule of Law.. G Amen J
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In a message dated 9/18/2004 7:17:30 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: God has spoken to me to let me know (and pass it on) that Rudi is one of His favorites. John the Beloved Praise God!!! Could you check on the status of G for us now? Izzy He said, "Absolutely." John Actually, if God does speak to us, He will say exactly the same thing to you as He does to me -- soo, perhaps you can ask hIm yourself and avoid the middle man. John
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/18/2004 7:33:54 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: God thinks you are special.just like everyone else. Terry I keep a journal. In it, I write those things spoken or written by others that have a positive effect on me rising to the emotional level of "wow !" When I get down in the mouth, I go to this journal. I have found that the words recorded on those pages have exactly the same effect on me -- the "wow" factor -- as they did the moment they came my way. Terry -- you made the journal. Congratulations. Your comment above will be immortalized along side "11/24/98 - Pain is manditory, misery is not. Jody and Richard." "11/20/99 - While talking to Jim Sheets, he mentioned the hard times he eas experiencing. He kind of read God the riot act and added -- 'I let know know just exactly how I felt. But he would not accept my counsel." "5/10/98 - A primary goal in life should be to live a fulfilled life in spite of unfulfilled expectations. Steve Spencer." 8/12/00 on my wifes' computer screen (I had just met her) -- "Love is a passion for oneness.." John Your wife has great wisdom. Her comment should go to the top of the page. Terry
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i think so G On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:30:38 -0400 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ||God thinks you are special.just like everyone else.Terry
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Some of us are just more special than others. J Izzy PS (Think Mother Theresa and Saddam Hussein.) From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 8:57 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview i think so G On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:30:38 -0400 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: || God thinks you are special.just like everyone else. Terry
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interestingly Terry hasn't answered while your evidently ignorant 'Yes'quite naturallyaffirms the impossible--opposite'truthful' characterizations of God's thought..it'sa typical dialectical comment, whereas, one may "Seek the LORD..[who said his] 'thoughts are not y/our thoughts..' " G On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 18:13:57 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Yes From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, September 19, 2004 4:59 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview iz thiswhatGod thinks? or is that what God thinks? On Sun, 19 Sep 2004 13:50:42 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Some of us are just more special than others. J Izzy PS (Think Mother Theresa and Saddam Hussein.) || On Sat, 18 Sep 2004 21:30:38 -0400 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: ||God thinks you are special.just like everyone else. G ~ P 235
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Title: 9/11 overview What am I missing here??? Izzy There were at least two other buildings that were demolished and the media did not draw attention to it. I never knew about these until I searched these sites and viewed the photographs again. The airplanes could not have done this, let alone the damage attributed to them in the twin towers. Check out the videos and studies posted at the sites. Take another look at the evidence. There is a great deal missing from 'official' reports. You just might be disillusioned. Marlin - Original Message - From: ShieldsFamily To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 7:23 PM Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview Marlin, Wouldnt you think that two collapsing buildings the size of the WTC would set off a lot of explosions (gas, etc.) in the process? Wouldnt it feel like an earthquake? What am I missing here??? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlin HalversonSent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:44 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview Not all that seems true is true. --Marlin Evidence of Controlled Demolitionby: Geronimo Jones 9-11, THE EXPLOSIVE TRUTH REVEALED It was a picture perfect day in September. I was watering some plants on my terrace and enjoying the unseasonably warm weather when I heard the sound of a plane flying low. Within seconds I watched in horror as the unthinkable unfolded, right in my backyard! The shock was overwhelming. My first thoughts was that it was a terrorist attack. This was confirmed by the news reports of Al Qaeda. But one thing the reporters left out was something I witnessed first hand. A very important omission at that! Seconds before the South Tower crumbled to its doom, I heard/felt a series of explosions. Same with the North Tower. There was no denying it, I could FEEL the vibrations of them like a small earthquake. Yet when I turned on the news none of the other eyewitnesses commented on this. Indeed, in the days that followed, like many Americans, I remained glued to the news networks to keep myself informed of any developments and confirm what I had witnessed. But despite the numerous eyewitness accounts, there was still no mention of the explosions. I decided to examine the evidence for myself http://letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html The foundations were 70 feet deep. At that level, 47 huge box columns, connected to the bedrock, supported the entire gravity load of the structures. The steel walls of these lower box columns were 4 inches thick. This is where clean-up crew discovered hot spots of "literally molten steel" more than a month after the collapse. Such persistent and intense residual heat, 70 feet below the surface, required the help of a professional. A call was placed to Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) who arrived on the WTC site two days later and wrote the clean-up plan for the entire operation American Free Press asked Loizeaux about the report of molten steel on the site. "Yes," he said, "hot spots of molten steel in the basements." These incredibly hot areas were found "at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels," Loizeaux said. The molten steel was found "three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed," Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon. What could have caused those box columns of 4-inch thick steel to melt like this?
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All what??? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 9:21 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview In a message dated 9/16/2004 5:39:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What the heck is that??? Compromiser is right. Also, Im sad to say, an adulterer. But he was the right man at the right time on 9/11. Very classy and courageous. Izzy Aren't we all. John
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 17, 2004 9:47 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview In a message dated 9/17/2004 9:18:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I dont think Rudi G is a Christian, by any means. But he is a great American in many respects, and was even before 9/11. Why? Because he used Republican wisdom to turn NY City around completely. NY City was once so overrun by crime that people were afraid to even visit there. It was so corrupt and run down that it was a national embarrassment. But when it left as mayor the Big Apple was a totally changed place; revived and on the right path again. I guess thats why liberals dislike him. I say we could use a lot more men just like himstrong leaders with a vision for the future. I just wish we could get the man saved. How about we all pray for Rudi to get saved? J Izzy God has spoken to me to let me know (and pass it on) that Rudi is one of His favorites. John the Beloved Praise God!!! Could you check on the status of G for us now? Izzy
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Title: 9/11 overview Marlin, Wouldnt you think that two collapsing buildings the size of the WTC would set off a lot of explosions (gas, etc.) in the process? Wouldnt it feel like an earthquake? What am I missing here??? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlin Halverson Sent: Thursday, September 16, 2004 10:44 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview Not all that seems true is true. --Marlin Evidence of Controlled Demolition by: Geronimo Jones 9-11, THE EXPLOSIVE TRUTH REVEALED It was a picture perfect day in September. I was watering some plants on my terrace and enjoying the unseasonably warm weather when I heard the sound of a plane flying low. Within seconds I watched in horror as the unthinkable unfolded, right in my backyard! The shock was overwhelming. My first thoughts was that it was a terrorist attack. This was confirmed by the news reports of Al Qaeda. But one thing the reporters left out was something I witnessed first hand. A very important omission at that! Seconds before the South Tower crumbled to its doom, I heard/felt a series of explosions. Same with the North Tower. There was no denying it, I could FEEL the vibrations of them like a small earthquake. Yet when I turned on the news none of the other eyewitnesses commented on this. Indeed, in the days that followed, like many Americans, I remained glued to the news networks to keep myself informed of any developments and confirm what I had witnessed. But despite the numerous eyewitness accounts, there was still no mention of the explosions. I decided to examine the evidence for myself http://letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html The foundations were 70 feet deep. At that level, 47 huge box columns, connected to the bedrock, supported the entire gravity load of the structures. The steel walls of these lower box columns were 4 inches thick. This is where clean-up crew discovered hot spots of literally molten steel more than a month after the collapse. Such persistent and intense residual heat, 70 feet below the surface, required the help of a professional. A call was placed to Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) who arrived on the WTC site two days later and wrote the clean-up plan for the entire operation American Free Press asked Loizeaux about the report of molten steel on the site. Yes, he said, hot spots of molten steel in the basements. These incredibly hot areas were found at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels, Loizeaux said. The molten steel was found three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed, Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon. What could have caused those box columns of 4-inch thick steel to melt like this?
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In a message dated 9/18/2004 4:21:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: God has spoken to me to let me know (and pass it on) that Rudi is one of His favorites. John the Beloved Praise God!!! Could you check on the status of G for us now? Izzy He said, "Absolutely." John
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 7:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview In a message dated 9/18/2004 4:21:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: God has spoken to me to let me know (and pass it on) that Rudi is one of His favorites. John the Beloved Praise God!!! Could you check on the status of G for us now? Izzy He said, Absolutely. John Absolutely what? Izzy
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ShieldsFamily wrote: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Saturday, September 18, 2004 7:01 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview In a message dated 9/18/2004 4:21:37 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: God has spoken to me to let me know (and pass it on) that Rudi is one of His favorites. John the Beloved Praise God!!! Could you check on the status of G for us now? Izzy He said, "Absolutely." John Absolutely what? Izzy === God thinks you are special.just like everyone else. Terry
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In a message dated 9/17/2004 9:18:12 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I dont think Rudi G is a Christian, by any means. But he is a great American in many respects, and was even before 9/11. Why? Because he used Republican wisdom to turn NY City around completely. NY City was once so overrun by crime that people were afraid to even visit there. It was so corrupt and run down that it was a national embarrassment. But when it left as mayor the Big Apple was a totally changed place; revived and on the right path again. I guess thats why liberals dislike him. I say we could use a lot more men just like himstrong leaders with a vision for the future. I just wish we could get the man saved. How about we all pray for Rudi to get saved? J Izzy God has spoken to me to let me know (and pass it on) that Rudi is one of His favorites. John the Beloved
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Title: 9/11 overview readin' you'zreadin' a politician--no wonder you lovehis lips On Wed, 15 Sep 2004 07:19:40 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I was wishing I could have a talk with Rudi about just those things, but there is a time and a place (and a person) for everything. God is able to get through to him if he is receptive. If not, its too bad for him, and for all of us. That still doesnt mean he cant be used for Gods purposes in many ways. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:33 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview me neither--nobody is didn't you tell him the truth(?): thatincluded inwhatremaineth of JCsthought/s, there isevidence of the narrow way to God; e.g., 'no mancomes to the Father but by me' ftr, dialeticianscan't handle JC's'one way' type of thinkin', butthe NT plainly indicates that following JCisn't for everybody; he said: 'whosoever will may come' On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:38:58 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I dont think Rudi G is a Christian, by any means.. G ~ P 235
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In a message dated 9/16/2004 5:39:11 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: What the heck is that??? Compromiser is right. Also, Im sad to say, an adulterer. But he was the right man at the right time on 9/11. Very classy and courageous. Izzy Aren't we all. John
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Title: 9/11 overview Not all that seems true is true. --Marlin Evidence of Controlled Demolitionby: Geronimo Jones 9-11, THE EXPLOSIVE TRUTH REVEALED It was a picture perfect day in September. I was watering some plants on my terrace and enjoying the unseasonably warm weather when I heard the sound of a plane flying low. Within seconds I watched in horror as the unthinkable unfolded, right in my backyard! The shock was overwhelming. My first thoughts was that it was a terrorist attack. This was confirmed by the news reports of Al Qaeda. But one thing the reporters left out was something I witnessed first hand. A very important omission at that! Seconds before the South Tower crumbled to its doom, I heard/felt a series of explosions. Same with the North Tower. There was no denying it, I could FEEL the vibrations of them like a small earthquake. Yet when I turned on the news none of the other eyewitnesses commented on this. Indeed, in the days that followed, like many Americans, I remained glued to the news networks to keep myself informed of any developments and confirm what I had witnessed. But despite the numerous eyewitness accounts, there was still no mention of the explosions. I decided to examine the evidence for myself http://letsroll911.org/articles/controlleddemolition.html The foundations were 70 feet deep. At that level, 47 huge box columns, connected to the bedrock, supported the entire gravity load of the structures. The steel walls of these lower box columns were 4 inches thick. This is where clean-up crew discovered hot spots of "literally molten steel" more than a month after the collapse. Such persistent and intense residual heat, 70 feet below the surface, required the help of a professional. A call was placed to Mark Loizeaux, president of Controlled Demolition, Inc. (CDI) who arrived on the WTC site two days later and wrote the clean-up plan for the entire operation American Free Press asked Loizeaux about the report of molten steel on the site. "Yes," he said, "hot spots of molten steel in the basements." These incredibly hot areas were found "at the bottoms of the elevator shafts of the main towers, down seven [basement] levels," Loizeaux said. The molten steel was found "three, four, and five weeks later, when the rubble was being removed," Loizeaux said. He said molten steel was also found at 7 WTC, which collapsed mysteriously in the late afternoon. What could have caused those box columns of 4-inch thick steel to melt like this?
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Title: 9/11 overview I was wishing I could have a talk with Rudi about just those things, but there is a time and a place (and a person) for everything. God is able to get through to him if he is receptive. If not, its too bad for him, and for all of us. That still doesnt mean he cant be used for Gods purposes in many ways. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 10:33 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview me neither--nobody is didn't you tell him the truth(?): thatincluded inwhatremaineth of JCsthought/s, there isevidence of the narrow way to God; e.g., 'no mancomes to the Father but by me' ftr, dialeticianscan't handle JC's'one way' type of thinkin', butthe NT plainly indicates that following JCisn't for everybody; he said: 'whosoever will may come' On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:38:58 -0500 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I dont think Rudi G is a Christian, by any means..
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I hope not our next President (due to his pro-homo-marriage and pro-abortion stance.) However, he is definitely a true American hero. He outdid himself in his RNC speech. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 11:16 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview In a message dated 9/13/2004 8:52:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tomorrow night I get to go hear Rudi Guillanicool! J Iz Our next President -- a true American hero. John
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In a message dated 9/14/2004 4:22:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: hope not our next President (due to his pro-homo-marriage and pro-abortion stance.) However, he is definitely a true American hero. He outdid himself in his RNC speech. Izzy Actually, I think Rudy is anti-abortion but pro choice. And I do not understand the "pro-homo-marriage" line. Help. John
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What the heck is that??? Compromiser is right. Also, Im sad to say, an adulterer. But he was the right man at the right time on 9/11. Very classy and courageous. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Terry Clifton Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 6:23 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: In a message dated 9/14/2004 4:22:09 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Actually, I think Rudy is anti-abortion but pro choice. Help. John In other words, a compromiser= some God, some world. Niether hot nor cold. Terry
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or another dialectician On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 08:23:04 -0400 Terry Clifton [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: In other words, a compromiser= some God, some world...
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Title: 9/11 overview Are youspeaking ofRudy Giuliani *,thepolitician who speaks so highly ofGW Bush? When you seeRudy, ask himif he'dsupport a 'war on terror'as the Mayor of Port-au-Prince? ..read on.. *Rudolph William Louis "Rudy" Giuliani III, KBE (born May 28, 1944) served as the Mayor of New York City from January 1, 1994 through December 31, 2001. Giuliani first gained national prominence as the federal U.S. Attorney ..[he] attracted some criticism for arranging very public arrests of people, then dropping charges for lack of evidence instead of going to trial. || [Re: Giuliani's]policing efforts [in NYC]..[some contend they] led to an increase in the distrust of police by blacks and other minorities. Among the better-known incidents of police brutality during the Giuliani mayorality are the killing of unarmed Amadou Diallo in a storm of 41 bullets and the brutalization of Abner Louima while Louima was in custody. Giuliani was subsequently appointed the third-ranking official in the U.S. Department of Justice. He successfully argued on behalf of the U.S. government, in a high-profile case, that there was "no political repression" in Haiti under President Jean-Claude Duvalier, aka "Baby Doc". FYI: Duvalier ['Papa Doc']came under pressure from the government of John F. Kennedy due to evidence of corruption over aid. Aid was officially suspended in 1962 but the pressure eased following the death of Kennedy. The country assumed the mantle of an anti-communist presence to balance that of nearby Cuba. After Kennedy's assassination, Duvalier claimed that the killing was a result of his placing a curse on Kennedy. In April 1963, Haiti was almost attacked by the Dominican Republic. Only the lack of senior military support for Juan Bosch y Gavio prevented the Dominicans invading; instead, the conflict was mediated by the OAS. By the mid-1960s it was clear that Duvalier had no intention of stepping down. In June of 1964 he was proclaimed president for life and began to create a personality cult around the image of himself as the physical embodiment of the Haitian nation. Like some of his predecessors, Duvalier was often rumored to be contemplating making himself Emperor of Haiti, and ruling the nation as a monarch. Within the country Duvalier used both political murder and expulsion to suppress his opponents; estimates of those killed are as high as 30,000. Attacks on Duvalier from within the military were treated as especially serious; in 1967 bombs detonated near the Presidential Palace led to the execution of twenty Garde Prsidentielle officers. His reign of terror kept the country in his grip until his death in early 1971, after he had set his 19-year-old son Jean-Claude Duvalier ['Baby Doc']to succeed him. || Haiti has [..]become the poorest country in the Western Hemisphere and has been plagued by political violence and corrupt dictators for most of its history. In 1957, Franois Duvalier, "Papa Doc", ruled the nation, becoming dictator in 1964. He was known for his army of sunglasses-clad volunteers, the Tonton Macoute *. He was followed by his son Jean-Claude Duvalier, "Baby Doc".. *Tonton Macoute ..the force was notorious for its widespread and brutal repression of political dissidents. In Haiti, like other nations, at Christmas, good children are visited by Santa Claus, known locally as Uncle Christmas. The bad children are visited by Uncle Gunnysack, or Uncle Knapsack. Translated literally from Creole, Tonton (Uncle) Macoute (gunnysack). The term Tonton Macoutes is the bogeyman in Haiti. Duvalier came to power in 1957, as a populist, freely elected. He had served as Health minister, and was noted in the fight against Typhus. After an attempted coup against him in 1958, Duvalier rewrote the Haitian constitution. In 1959, he created the force, which were granted automatic amnesty for any crime committed during any official act. They were know for wearing dark glasses, wielding machetes, and leaving their victims hanging in a public place as a warning to others. They cultivated the image of being vodun demons or zombies. It is alleged that the death squad continues to operate in Haiti, through 2000. Source: http://en.wikipedia.org -- On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 22:51:29 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tomorrow night I get to go hear Rudi Guillanicool! J Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 8:09 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview you like gambling with the Future, eh? On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:29:19 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You bet!!! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview
Title: 9/11 overview I dont think Rudi G is a Christian, by any means. But he is a great American in many respects, and was even before 9/11. Why? Because he used Republican wisdom to turn NY City around completely. NY City was once so overrun by crime that people were afraid to even visit there. It was so corrupt and run down that it was a national embarrassment. But when it left as mayor the Big Apple was a totally changed place; revived and on the right path again. I guess thats why liberals dislike him. I say we could use a lot more men just like himstrong leaders with a vision for the future. I just wish we could get the man saved. How about we all pray for Rudi to get saved? J Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Tuesday, September 14, 2004 7:37 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview Are youspeaking ofRudy Giuliani *,thepolitician who speaks so highly ofGW Bush? When you seeRudy, ask himif he'dsupport a 'war on terror'as the Mayor of Port-au-Prince? ..read on..
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Title: 9/11 overview me neither--nobody is didn't you tell him the truth(?): thatincluded inwhatremaineth of JCsthought/s, there isevidence of the narrow way to God; e.g., 'no mancomes to the Father but by me' ftr, dialeticianscan't handle JC's'one way' type of thinkin', butthe NT plainly indicates that following JCisn't for everybody; he said: 'whosoever will may come' On Tue, 14 Sep 2004 22:38:58 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: I dont think Rudi G is a Christian, by any means..
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Title: 9/11 overview What about those cell phone calls from the planes that crashed on 9/11? "American Airlines, Qualcom 'Finally Develop' brand new Technology which should allow passengers to use cell phone as early as 2006!" http://letsroll911.org/ipw-web/bulletin/bb/viewtopic.php?p=23188#23188
RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview
Title: 9/11 overview Your faith, if its real, affects EVERTHING in your life. What you believe about politics, dress, family, morals, etc, etc. Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 9:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:59:58 -0400 Jonathan Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Iz: ..my personal relationship with God is the basis for my politics. Ever notice thats true about everyone? how many political parties is Godleading ? G
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Title: 9/11 overview then you're reallyloveNovember 2 On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:07:11 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Choosing to sit on a chair is not one of the decisions I had in mind, although I do love days when my hardest choice is Plastic or paper?, such as today. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 11:45 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview it takes faith to sit in a chair, but not faith in God On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:32:27 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your faith, if its real, affects EVERTHING in your life. What you believe about politics, dress, family, morals, etc, etc. Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 9:24 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:59:58 -0400 "Jonathan Hughes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Iz: "..my personal relationship with God is the basis for my politics. Ever notice thats true about everyone?" how many political parties is Godleading ? G G ~ P 235
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Title: 9/11 overview you like gambling with the Future, eh? On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:29:19 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You bet!!! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:39 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview then you're really[gonna] loveNovember 2 On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:07:11 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Choosing to sit on a chair is not one of the decisions I had in mind, although I do love days when my hardest choice is Plastic or paper?, such as today. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 11:45 AMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview it takes faith to sit in a chair, but not faith in God On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:32:27 -0500 "ShieldsFamily" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your faith, if its real, affects EVERTHING in your life. What you believe about politics, dress, family, morals, etc, etc. Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED]Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 9:24 PMTo: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:59:58 -0400 "Jonathan Hughes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Iz: "..my personal relationship with God is the basis for my politics. Ever notice thats true about everyone?" how many political parties is Godleading ? G G ~ P 235 G ~ P 235
RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview
Title: 9/11 overview Tomorrow night I get to go hear Rudi Guillanicool! J Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 8:09 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview you like gambling with the Future, eh? On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 20:29:19 -0500 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: You bet!!! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 5:39 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview then you're really[gonna] loveNovember 2 On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 17:07:11 -0500 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Choosing to sit on a chair is not one of the decisions I had in mind, although I do love days when my hardest choice is Plastic or paper?, such as today. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Monday, September 13, 2004 11:45 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview it takes faith to sit in a chair, but not faith in God On Mon, 13 Sep 2004 08:32:27 -0500 ShieldsFamily [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Your faith, if its real, affects EVERTHING in your life. What you believe about politics, dress, family, morals, etc, etc. Iz From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 9:24 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:59:58 -0400 Jonathan Hughes [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Iz: ..my personal relationship with God is the basis for my politics. Ever notice thats true about everyone? how many political parties is Godleading ? G G ~ P 235 G ~ P 235
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In a message dated 9/13/2004 8:52:24 PM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Tomorrow night I get to go hear Rudi Guillanicool! J Iz Our next President -- a true American hero. John
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Title: 9/11 overview Jonathan in green. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 11:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview Izzy in red: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hughes Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 7:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview Izzy, your first response to the helpful links posted by Lance was, Do not post liberal propaganda on TT. Now that we know that you are the newly promoted moderator able to dictate TTs content you then continue to respond to a thoughtful post by Marlin. As I said before, we need to avoid turning this formum into a propaganda website (of any kind), and get off the track of pursuing Christ. Politics has a habit here of turning into a shouting match free for all. I know Marlin is not a particularly political animal. (He is into conspiracies, but not necessarily politics.) My point is that you have no authority to say what can, or cannot be discussed or posted on this list. Your fear of liberal propaganda is interesting. What are you afraid of? Thats rather like sodomities calling people who find their lifestyle abhorrent homophobes. They flatter themselves with the epithet they cast at others. Your use of an illustration involving sin when we are talking about the difference between liberal and conservative politics is interesting. Do you actually believe that to be liberal is to be a sinner? And of course you would have to post a fuller context but it is very possible to be a homophobe. It is also possible to think of homosexuality as a sin and not be a homophobe. See John Smithson for proof of this. If you were so certain in your political faith, liberal propaganda (read the truth) should not affect you at all. See above. Again the discrepancy: I can call your view of God abhorrent and you barely blink. Thats different than you casting insults and slanders about my God, isnt it? That is what you do politically (as do all people who cannot defend their point of view without name-calling as a substitute for reason.) I have no problem with discussing a specific point about my views. I do have a problem with nasty insulters. Izzy you take just as much of a part in the insulting and slander as anyone else here. And the point must be made ad nauseam, to speak critically about your country or its leaders is not an insult, slander or treason. It is using our God given gifts of thought to expose corruption. A post that may intrude upon your political persuasions causes all sorts of cattiness to come out. SoIm a cat! (duh!) The question to be asked yet again is why do you hold your politics closer to your heart than your Christianity? That is merely your opinion, and baseless at that. See previous sentences please. If it was baseless why do I keep bringing it up? It strikes me as a very peculiar characteristic of yours. Why is one (neoconservative politics) so much more important to you than the other? Why does one have an emotional reaction (always negative except in fawning worship sessions of your president)? (See how insulting you are? Do you have any clue, Jonathan? This is a definite problem whenever you try to get someone to be open minded. What are you thinking?) Izzy, please go back and read your posts about meeting George W Bush. I feel that the way you described your meeting was worship like; just my opinion. I think a lot about you. You are obviously bright and care for your family.(Bright??? How about brilliant???) There is no doubt in my mind that you are intelligent. You are obviously a lover of God and committed to Him. What I dont understand is why you are not open-minded in your quest for truth.(What makes you think YOU are and I am not? What if the reverse is true? Would you see it? (Hint: No!) Izzy, I have never hid my bias and am quite upfront about it. What makes me think I am being more open-minded than you? Well that is easy. I am willing to read, discuss and study both sides. You are not. Please explain how this makes you open-minded. You see, politics are an untouchable area for you, one you refuse to study. You see, I think that if you actually understood Bush and his colleagues, as a Christian you would steer the widest path around him as possible (and the second choice of Kerry is not much better; the country will still be led off the cliff, just a bit later). What keeps you from reading books, articles etc. from the other side? Because they are all written by liberals, which means slanderers and insulters with no real evidence to discussonly nasty, baseless, biased allegations. You realize that this is a nasty, baseless, biased allegation? Need I say more here? It is racism on a political scale. Neither you or Lance has ever produced a single bit of proof about anything you say. Sure we have. Lots of it. You chose
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Title: 9/11 overview Izzy in blue! From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hughes Sent: Sunday, September 12, 2004 5:08 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview Jonathan in green. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of ShieldsFamily Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 11:02 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview Izzy in red: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hughes Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 7:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview Izzy, your first response to the helpful links posted by Lance was, Do not post liberal propaganda on TT. Now that we know that you are the newly promoted moderator able to dictate TTs content you then continue to respond to a thoughtful post by Marlin. As I said before, we need to avoid turning this formum into a propaganda website (of any kind), and get off the track of pursuing Christ. Politics has a habit here of turning into a shouting match free for all. I know Marlin is not a particularly political animal. (He is into conspiracies, but not necessarily politics.) My point is that you have no authority to say what can, or cannot be discussed or posted on this list. My point is that I can ask, and I said please. Your fear of liberal propaganda is interesting. What are you afraid of? Thats rather like sodomities calling people who find their lifestyle abhorrent homophobes. They flatter themselves with the epithet they cast at others. Your use of an illustration involving sin when we are talking about the difference between liberal and conservative politics is interesting. Do you actually believe that to be liberal is to be a sinner? And of course you would have to post a fuller context but it is very possible to be a homophobe. It is also possible to think of homosexuality as a sin and not be a homophobe. See John Smithson for proof of this. From what Ive seen of liberals, they call evil good and good evil. (ie: homosexuality, abortion, anti-war even for defense of country, anti-repentance gospel, anti-conservative politics, etc, etc, etc. If you were so certain in your political faith, liberal propaganda (read the truth) should not affect you at all. See above. Again the discrepancy: I can call your view of God abhorrent and you barely blink. Thats different than you casting insults and slanders about my God, isnt it? That is what you do politically (as do all people who cannot defend their point of view without name-calling as a substitute for reason.) I have no problem with discussing a specific point about my views. I do have a problem with nasty insulters. Izzy you take just as much of a part in the insulting and slander as anyone else here. And the point must be made ad nauseam, to speak critically about your country or its leaders is not an insult, slander or treason. It is using our God given gifts of thought to expose corruption. You still dont understandno matter how many times I tell youthat discussion of topics is one thing, but insults are insults, and slander (false assertions) is still slander. That is what you do repeatedly, and when I state that is why we cannot converse, you just say Well, you do it, too! A post that may intrude upon your political persuasions causes all sorts of cattiness to come out. SoIm a cat! (duh!) The question to be asked yet again is why do you hold your politics closer to your heart than your Christianity? That is merely your opinion, and baseless at that. See previous sentences please. If it was baseless why do I keep bringing it up? It strikes me as a very peculiar characteristic of yours. You are entitled to your opinion. It is an uncharitable one. No matter that I tell you that my personal relationship with God is the basis for my politics. Ever notice thats true about everyone? Why is one (neoconservative politics) so much more important to you than the other? Why does one have an emotional reaction (always negative except in fawning worship sessions of your president)? (See how insulting you are? Do you have any clue, Jonathan? This is a definite problem whenever you try to get someone to be open minded. What are you thinking?) Izzy, please go back and read your posts about meeting George W Bush. I feel that the way you described your meeting was worship like; just my opinion. That is because you hate to hear anything good about GWB. You dismiss it as worshipanother characteristic liberal insult used by many. I think a lot about you. You are obviously bright and care for your family.(Bright??? How about brilliant???) There is no doubt in my mind that you are intelligent. You are obviously a lover of God and committed to Him. What I dont understand is why you are not open-minded in your quest for truth.(What makes you think YOU are and I am not? What
RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview
Title: 9/11 overview Jonathan in purple. I have deleted paragraphs where I did not make a comment just to shorten the post. Izzy in blue! Jonathan in green. Izzy in red: Your fear of liberal propaganda is interesting. What are you afraid of? Thats rather like sodomities calling people who find their lifestyle abhorrent homophobes. They flatter themselves with the epithet they cast at others. Your use of an illustration involving sin when we are talking about the difference between liberal and conservative politics is interesting. Do you actually believe that to be liberal is to be a sinner? And of course you would have to post a fuller context but it is very possible to be a homophobe. It is also possible to think of homosexuality as a sin and not be a homophobe. See John Smithson for proof of this. From what Ive seen of liberals, they call evil good and good evil. (ie: homosexuality, abortion, anti-war even for defense of country, anti-repentance gospel, anti-conservative politics, etc, etc, etc. Now this might have been beneficial. I should have asked you to define what you meant by liberal. I am against homosexuality, abortion and am pro-war for defense of country. I am all for repentance. Not sure what anti-conservative politics are so I cant comment. Do you still think I am a liberal? All along you have been branding me liberal just because I disagree with your countrys foreign policy and my disagreement with that begins right after WW2. The reason I am harsh on Bush is only because he is the current President and currently committing atrocities in Iraq. Whether he is conservative or liberal doesnt mean a fig to me. I have stressed over and over again: my issue is with foreign policy! If you were so certain in your political faith, liberal propaganda (read the truth) should not affect you at all. See above. Again the discrepancy: I can call your view of God abhorrent and you barely blink. Thats different than you casting insults and slanders about my God, isnt it? That is what you do politically (as do all people who cannot defend their point of view without name-calling as a substitute for reason.) I have no problem with discussing a specific point about my views. I do have a problem with nasty insulters. Izzy you take just as much of a part in the insulting and slander as anyone else here. And the point must be made ad nauseam, to speak critically about your country or its leaders is not an insult, slander or treason. It is using our God given gifts of thought to expose corruption. You still dont understandno matter how many times I tell youthat discussion of topics is one thing, but insults are insults, and slander (false assertions) is still slander. That is what you do repeatedly, and when I state that is why we cannot converse, you just say Well, you do it, too! With all due respect please just consider that this applies to you as well. A post that may intrude upon your political persuasions causes all sorts of cattiness to come out. SoIm a cat! (duh!) The question to be asked yet again is why do you hold your politics closer to your heart than your Christianity? That is merely your opinion, and baseless at that. See previous sentences please. If it was baseless why do I keep bringing it up? It strikes me as a very peculiar characteristic of yours. You are entitled to your opinion. It is an uncharitable one. No matter that I tell you that my personal relationship with God is the basis for my politics. Ever notice thats true about everyone? Yes and this is what bothers me. Knowing American foreign policy as I do and knowing God as I do I wonder how you can put them together. One is complete unrighteousness. Why is one (neoconservative politics) so much more important to you than the other? Why does one have an emotional reaction (always negative except in fawning worship sessions of your president)? (See how insulting you are? Do you have any clue, Jonathan? This is a definite problem whenever you try to get someone to be open minded. What are you thinking?) Izzy, please go back and read your posts about meeting George W Bush. I feel that the way you described your meeting was worship like; just my opinion. That is because you hate to hear anything good about GWB. You dismiss it as worshipanother characteristic liberal insult used by many. I have never indulged in hate speech. Please prove it. I have never said that George W Bush is completely bad. In fact I have made few comments about Bush. In reality I am far more concerned with the neo-conservatives that are actually driving his policies than I am with him himself. I think a lot about you. You are obviously bright and care for your family.(Bright??? How about brilliant???) There is no doubt in my mind that you are intelligent. You are obviously a lover of God and committed to Him. What I dont understand is why you are not open-minded in your quest for truth.(What makes you think YOU are and
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Title: 9/11 overview On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:59:58 -0400 "Jonathan Hughes" [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: Iz: "..my personal relationship with God is the basis for my politics. Ever notice thats true about everyone?" how many political parties is Godleading ? G
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: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview Marlin, Any chance the advance planning was done by the devil? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlin Halverson Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview Thank you for the link. I never knew about the destruction of WTC-7. I played the NBC and CBS videos posted on http://www.wtc7.net/. No plane hit WTC-7. To pull off a demolition of that magnitude, therehad to be a great amount of planning in advance. I also did not know about the gag order placed upon Sibel Edmonds. --Marlin - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:22 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview - Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 10, 2004 16:16 Subject: 9/11 overview Interesting article covering an overview of 9/11 conspiracy, now referred to as the 9/11 Truth Movement. http://www.guerrillanews.com/intelligence/doc5233.html www.guerrillanews.com is actually a pretty good site overall and one I visit 4 or 5 times a week. Others that are worth while looking/wasting your time at: www.buzzflash.com www.propagandamatrix.com www.whatreallyhappened.com Jonathan Hughes Supervisor of Application Support Kingsway Financial 905-629-7888 x. 2471 This e-mail and any attachments contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. Thank you for your cooperation in connection with the above. Ce courriel ainsi que tous les documents sy rattachant contiennent de linformation confidentielle et privilégiée. Si vous nêtes pas le destinataire visé, s.v.p. en informer immédiatement son expéditeur par retour de courriel, effacer le message et détruire toute copie (électronique ou autre). Toute diffusion ou utilisation de cette information par une personne autre que le destinataire visé est interdite et peut être illégale. Merci de votre coopération relativement au message susmentionné.
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In a message dated 9/11/2004 6:27:54 AM Pacific Daylight Time, [EMAIL PROTECTED] writes: My main question is, How do we dialogue on this forum in a way that fosters the participants listening and hearing each other? How do we disagree with one another while still generating respect? A couple of thoughts: it seems to me that there are at least three levels of communication, monologue (one person talking); dialogue (two or more people talking with a view to the exchange of information); and debate (opposing views presented and defended.) It is interesting to me that one person talking (monologue) to himself in the car is considered a little whacky, but if he does it in a crowd, it is 'normal." What's the difference? Dialogue, in order to be mutually effectual must spring from a (divine - perhaps) sense of empathy. Some have it and some do not (?) Debate is actually the presenting and defending of two monologues. It is received as dialogue by those who take the presentations into consideration. "Respect" is the product of one's world view. It is not necessarily manifested in our conversation because of such distractions as sarcasm and poor judgment It is not necessarily the manifestation of agreement. But, I think, respect is manifested in the paying of tribute -- assuming that such tribute is sincerely expressed. John
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As I write at this very moment, the North Tower fell. John
RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview
Title: 9/11 overview Izzy in red: From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jonathan Hughes Sent: Saturday, September 11, 2004 7:27 AM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview Izzy, your first response to the helpful links posted by Lance was, Do not post liberal propaganda on TT. Now that we know that you are the newly promoted moderator able to dictate TTs content you then continue to respond to a thoughtful post by Marlin. As I said before, we need to avoid turning this formum into a propaganda website (of any kind), and get off the track of pursuing Christ. Politics has a habit here of turning into a shouting match free for all. I know Marlin is not a particularly political animal. (He is into conspiracies, but not necessarily politics.) Your fear of liberal propaganda is interesting. What are you afraid of? Thats rather like sodomities calling people who find their lifestyle abhorrent homophobes. They flatter themselves with the epithet they cast at others. If you were so certain in your political faith, liberal propaganda (read the truth) should not affect you at all. See above. Again the discrepancy: I can call your view of God abhorrent and you barely blink. Thats different than you casting insults and slanders about my God, isnt it? That is what you do politically (as do all people who cannot defend their point of view without name-calling as a substitute for reason.) I have no problem with discussing a specific point about my views. I do have a problem with nasty insulters. A post that may intrude upon your political persuasions causes all sorts of cattiness to come out. SoIm a cat! (duh!) The question to be asked yet again is why do you hold your politics closer to your heart than your Christianity? That is merely your opinion, and baseless at that. See previous sentences please. Why is one (neoconservative politics) so much more important to you than the other? Why does one have an emotional reaction (always negative except in fawning worship (See how insulting you are? Do you have any clue, Jonathan? This is a definite problem whenever you try to get someone to be open minded. What are you thinking?) sessions of your president)? I think a lot about you. You are obviously bright and care for your family.(Bright??? How about brilliant???) You are obviously a lover of God and committed to Him. What I dont understand is why you are not open-minded in your quest for truth.(What makes you think YOU are and I am not? What if the reverse is true? Would you see it? (Hint: No!) You see, politics are an untouchable area for you, one you refuse to study. You see, I think that if you actually understood Bush and his colleagues, as a Christian you would steer the widest path around him as possible (and the second choice of Kerry is not much better; the country will still be led off the cliff, just a bit later). What keeps you from reading books, articles etc. from the other side? Because they are all written by liberals, which means slanderers and insulters with no real evidence to discussonly nasty, baseless, biased allegations. Neither you or Lance has ever produced a single bit of proof about anything you say. You just say heres a website, here are some masses of books and liberal media publicationsgo read them. You have not one thing to say for yourself. Frankly, I dont care. Id rather let God change your heart by talking about Him and His Word. The mass of evidence is so much it is unbelievable (Trueyour words, not mine.). I have a theory about forums such as this one. I think that it is extremely rare to see someone actually change their mind. The first barrier is an inability to admit that they were/are ever wrong. Judy is a good example of this. Judy has expressed a few times that her understanding of God has never been wrong; hence the certainty of all her posts being correct leading mischievous people to call her the voice of God. I see far more humility in you Izzy and think that you would admit you were/are wrong if the situation demanded it.(Nope; if it were true.) This leads to my second barrier. I do not believe that anyone will listen to another in a way that makes them vulnerable unless they have full respect for the person speaking.Better yet, if they respect God. This is perhaps the major reason true change rarely happens on Truthtalk no matter how much truth is being thrown around. Three people have generated little respect on this forum; Lance and I for holding different views than most and sharing some of them with a coat Thats a euphemistic way of putting it. of sarcasm (Judy and you also make posts dripping in the sarcastic) and DaveH for being Mormon and therefore being automatically placed outside the circle. (DaveH is well loved here. Weird, but well loved. J ) You yourself have expressed that you want nothing to do with our theology.Righto, if it makes you hate what is good and love
RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview
Title: 9/11 overview Please refrain from posting liberal propaganda on TT. Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Lance Muir Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 4:06 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview - Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 10, 2004 16:16 Subject: 9/11 overview Interesting article covering an overview of 9/11 conspiracy, now referred to as the 9/11 Truth Movement. http://www.guerrillanews.com/intelligence/doc5233.html www.guerrillanews.com is actually a pretty good site overall and one I visit 4 or 5 times a week. Others that are worth while looking/wasting your time at: www.buzzflash.com www.propagandamatrix.com www.whatreallyhappened.com Jonathan Hughes Supervisor of Application Support Kingsway Financial 905-629-7888 x. 2471 This e-mail and any attachments contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. Thank you for your cooperation in connection with the above. Ce courriel ainsi que tous les documents sy rattachant contiennent de linformation confidentielle et privilégiée. Si vous nêtes pas le destinataire visé, s.v.p. en informer immédiatement son expéditeur par retour de courriel, effacer le message et détruire toute copie (électronique ou autre). Toute diffusion ou utilisation de cette information par une personne autre que le destinataire visé est interdite et peut être illégale. Merci de votre coopération relativement au message susmentionné.
Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview
Title: 9/11 overview Thank you for the link. I never knew about the destruction of WTC-7. I played the NBC and CBS videos posted on http://www.wtc7.net/. No plane hit WTC-7. To "pull" off a demolition of that magnitude, therehad to be a great amount of planning in advance. I also did not know about the gag order placed upon Sibel Edmonds. --Marlin - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:22 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview - Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 10, 2004 16:16 Subject: 9/11 overview Interesting article covering an overview of 9/11 conspiracy, now referred to as the 9/11 Truth Movement. http://www.guerrillanews.com/intelligence/doc5233.html www.guerrillanews.com is actually a pretty good site overall and one I visit 4 or 5 times a week. Others that are worth while looking/wasting your time at: www.buzzflash.com www.propagandamatrix.com www.whatreallyhappened.com Jonathan Hughes Supervisor of Application Support Kingsway Financial 905-629-7888 x. 2471 This e-mail and any attachments contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. Thank you for your cooperation in connection with the above.Ce courriel ainsi que tous les documents sy rattachant contiennent de linformation confidentielle et privilgie. Si vous ntes pas le destinataire vis, s.v.p. en informer immdiatement son expditeur par retour de courriel, effacer le message et dtruire toute copie (lectronique ou autre). Toute diffusion ou utilisation de cette information par une personne autre que le destinataire vis est interdite et peut tre illgale. Merci de votre coopration relativement au message susmentionn.
RE: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview
Title: 9/11 overview Marlin, Any chance the advance planning was done by the devil? Izzy From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Marlin Halverson Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 9:31 PM To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview Thank you for the link. I never knew about the destruction of WTC-7. I played the NBC and CBS videos posted on http://www.wtc7.net/. No plane hit WTC-7. To pull off a demolition of that magnitude, therehad to be a great amount of planning in advance. I also did not know about the gag order placed upon Sibel Edmonds. --Marlin - Original Message - From: Lance Muir To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, September 10, 2004 6:22 PM Subject: [TruthTalk] Fw: 9/11 overview - Original Message - From: Hughes Jonathan To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: September 10, 2004 16:16 Subject: 9/11 overview Interesting article covering an overview of 9/11 conspiracy, now referred to as the 9/11 Truth Movement. http://www.guerrillanews.com/intelligence/doc5233.html www.guerrillanews.com is actually a pretty good site overall and one I visit 4 or 5 times a week. Others that are worth while looking/wasting your time at: www.buzzflash.com www.propagandamatrix.com www.whatreallyhappened.com Jonathan Hughes Supervisor of Application Support Kingsway Financial 905-629-7888 x. 2471 This e-mail and any attachments contain confidential and privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify the sender immediately by return e-mail, delete this e-mail and destroy any copies. Any dissemination or use of this information by a person other than the intended recipient is unauthorized and may be illegal. Thank you for your cooperation in connection with the above. Ce courriel ainsi que tous les documents sy rattachant contiennent de linformation confidentielle et privilégiée. Si vous nêtes pas le destinataire visé, s.v.p. en informer immédiatement son expéditeur par retour de courriel, effacer le message et détruire toute copie (électronique ou autre). Toute diffusion ou utilisation de cette information par une personne autre que le destinataire visé est interdite et peut être illégale. Merci de votre coopération relativement au message susmentionné.
