date:20110627

He's been cast in Man of Steel, but not as the well-known character
from that realm who, like him lately, is clean-shaven:

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[TV orNotTV] Weekend Roundup: Killin', Hirin' and Flamin'

AMC president Charlie Collier (son of Chet, former Group W chief
during the Mike/Merv/David days and Roger Ailes' long-time lieutenant
at CNBC, AT and Fixed Noise) said that they did not intend to mislead
viewers of The Killing by not revealing the killer of Rosie Larsen
in the season finale--it will be revealed within the first few
episodes of season 2:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/06/24/the-killing-finale-response/

James Hibberd of EW says James Spader is talking to the producers of
The Office, but not to replace Steve Carell as the Scranton office
boss, but as the CEO of Dunder Mifflin, replacing Kathy Bates, who is
currently caught in the David Kelley vortex on Harry's Law:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/06/24/james-spader-the-office/

And one Ian Bernardo, who not only unsuccessfully auditioned for
American Idol twice but was invited on the 2010 season finale
farewell to Simon Cowell as the worst contestant in 'Idol' history,
filed a gay discrimination suit against the producers, claiming that
the crew mocked him and he was told to camp up his performance--the
judge said that at this late date, anyone who goes on Idol should
know what they're getting into and threw the case out:

http://www.adweek.com/news/television/american-idol-lawsuit-tossed-out-132852

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[TV orNotTV] Re: A question for viewers of Fox local news...



On Jun 27, 8:39 am, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'd say he's been the face of the network for a while now: the news guy in 
 a sea of blowhard opinionators.

Whenever Fox News goes on the main network, Shep's been the anchor,
including the State of the Union and election coverage (which in 2008
was separate from FNC).  Supposedly, Shep's also been promised the
anchor gig if Ailes can get the main network to give him a weeknight
half-hour, either at dinner time or at 11 p.m.

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[TV orNotTV] Chris Wallace Finally Apologizes for Inappropriate Fox Sunday Interview

No, not the heavily edited mash-up job he did on Jon Stewart 2 shows ago,
but the interview from yesterday when he had the nerve to ask Michele
Bachmann if she was a flake. Bachmann, proving her flakiness, has refused to
accept the apology:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/27/chris-wallace-apologizes-bachmann_n_885057.html?utm_source=feedburnerutm_medium=feedutm_campaign=Feed%3A+HP%2FPolitics+%28Politics+on+The+Huffington+Post%29utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher
*
**
or: http://tinyurl.com/3jqn9hw*

Stewart said he did not think Wallace took marching orders from the Fox
corporate talking points memo - but apparently he does. I guess sometimes he
forgets the other side of the news he is supposed to be presenting. Keep
in mind, Wallace did not call her a flake, just served up a soft ball giving
her the opportunity to re-package herself as a non-flake. All she had to say
was no Chris, - that's the perception of the liberal elites trying to ruin
our country. There is nothing flaky about standing up for traditional
American values.

Bachmann has gotten to where she is (in the recent Iowa poll second
front-runner for the Republican nomination for President) by delivering red
meat quotes to the most radical, conservative extremist groups in the party.
If she really wants to make the transition to a serious national candidate,
she has to find a way to reinterpret her extremist views for a more
mainstream audience. Or maybe not, if she only appears on Fox News, and the
rest of their employees learn the lesson Wallace has about which questions
can and can not be asked.

And no, there is nothing even remotely sexist about the question - any male
candidate, from either political pole who had burst on the national scene
defined by such extremist rhetoric, would be asked the same kind of question
(note that Obama burst on the national consciousness at the 2004 Democratic
Convention giving a relentlessly moderate speech, not wearing a dashiki and
a big afro god damning America).

Huff Po: (
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/27/michele-bachmann-quotes-_n_872256.html#s288337title=Many_Scientists_Believe)
has a sampling of some of her more extreme statements on one of their
slideshows, including:

Her claim that intelligent design is supported by a significant portion of
the scientific community; her accusation that the Obama Administration runs
a gangster government; her claim that legislation to reform regulation of
the financial industry in the wake of the financial crisis was similar to
the fascist rule of  Benito Mussolini; her comment in New Hampshire that it
was the state where the shot was heard around the world in Lexington and
Concord (she did later admit she was wrong about that, though it was
particularly flakey given the group she has made her name with); her public
refusal to answer the Census questions (Why does the government need our
phone numbers?); her claim that last year that the Obama administration
was  turning our country into a nation of slaves.; her claim that Obama
was trying to create re-education camps for young people; and her warning
that the US was considering abandoning the dollar for a multinational
currency. (appropriately for this thread, Politifact rated Bachmann's
statement False).

The point here is not that nobody who believes most or all of the above can
be president of the USA ; the point is that while delivering these kinds of
red meat lines can get you a lot of attention from an extreme base, if you
want to run for president of the country you have to expect to be asked
about them, and find a way to make them palatable to the mainstream. You
can't just start crying and get your goons to get the president of Fox News
to write a memo to the mean man who asked you about it on TV to say he is
sorry (oh, wait, I guess you can).

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[TV orNotTV] Why the World Loves Procedurals

Basically the same reason they dominate U.S. ratings:  Self-contained
and easy to go back and forth on--article from Deadline includes top-
rated U.S. series in several European countries and why (although I
expect Adam to state that the lineup for the UK is suspiciously long):

http://www.deadline.com/2011/06/why-tv-procedurals-also-rule-the-world/

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Why the World Loves Procedurals

I tried to find it, but I recently saw a story about a new TV series
in Mexico that is a sort of Law  Order procedural. Because the local
law enforcement is not well liked, these sorts of shows don't work
well there.

On Monday, June 27, 2011, Mark J. mjeffr...@marcrealty.com wrote:
 Basically the same reason they dominate U.S. ratings:  Self-contained
 and easy to go back and forth on--article from Deadline includes top-
 rated U.S. series in several European countries and why (although I
 expect Adam to state that the lineup for the UK is suspiciously long):

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[TV orNotTV] Re: The Death of Lt Columbo

2011-06-27 Thread Dave Sikula

Quincy was part of the mystery wheel? I remember only the other three.
Too bad they couldn't have worked Ellery Queen in there; might have
prolonged the series.

Great TV, regardless.

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 Everyone whistle along. From the days when there were cool opening credits:

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Ce Soir Avec Arthur et Craig Ferguson

2011-06-27 Thread Dave Sikula

I really wish I liked Ferguson more. Even though you can't qualify
unique, his show is probably the  most unique of all. I just can't
get past the puppets, the robot, and all the (what seems to me) time
wasting -- which I know is what gives the show its uniqueness. I've
tried, but it just doesn't appeal to me, even though I generally enjoy
the panels; I just don't want to wait 45 minutes to get there.

Oh, well.

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On Jun 26, 12:24 pm, Karen Owen ko...@frontiernet.net wrote:
 http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xjhd2w_ce-soir-ave-arthur-saison-2-c...

 Promo for Craig Ferguson's appearance on the French
 Late Late Show.  Le Cheval et Le Panda are there
 along with Eddie Izzard and French soccer star Zidane

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: The Death of Lt Columbo

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:37 AM, Dave Sikula dsik...@yahoo.com wrote:

 Quincy was part of the mystery wheel? I remember only the other three.
 Too bad they couldn't have worked Ellery Queen in there; might have
 prolonged the series.

 Great TV, regardless.


Quincy joined the wheel very late in its run (after Sally left Mac), and
only for a little while, as it was more popular than any of the other three
(including Columbo) and was made a weekly show on its own.

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[TV orNotTV] Re: A question for viewers of Fox local news...

The most trusted man on FOX news? Not really a comforting concept.

On Jun 27, 6:39 am, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote:
 I'd say he's been the face of the network for a while now: the news guy in 
 a sea of blowhard opinionators.
 .
 On Jun 24, 2011, at 11:40 AM, Dave Sikula dsik...@yahoo.com wrote:



  Is Shep the face of the network now? I don't watch enough Fox to know.
  If so, he's not a bad choice, seeming to have the moments of lucidity
  that everyone else there lacks.

  --Dave Sikula

  On Jun 23, 8:02 am, Mark J. mjeffr...@marcrealty.com wrote:
  Shep Smith was in a hurry to toss it over
  to Cat Deeley and So You Think You Can Dance, so all he said was to
  turn to FNC and FBN for analysis.

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Ce Soir Avec Arthur et Craig Ferguson

Whereas I buy the whole package. Although some of the schtick gets a
bit wearisome, I still think that the hits outweigh the misses in the
monologue. And whenever I think I'm over Geoff Peterson, the damn
robot makes me laugh - particularly with its recently-installed
smartass-chip. (Kudos to whoever is doing his live dialogue.)

Looking forward to the Arthur show, too. Hoping my French will be
serviceable enough for me to get the jokes. At least I know I'm going
to get Secretariat.

On Jun 27, 11:04 am, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 10:40 AM, Dave Sikula dsik...@yahoo.com wrote:
  I really wish I liked Ferguson more. Even though you can't qualify
  unique, his show is probably the  most unique of all. I just can't
  get past the puppets, the robot, and all the (what seems to me) time
  wasting -- which I know is what gives the show its uniqueness. I've
  tried, but it just doesn't appeal to me, even though I generally enjoy
  the panels; I just don't want to wait 45 minutes to get there.

  Oh, well.

 I too have tried to like Ferguson as much as many here seem to, with limited
 success. I don't hate him,and  like Dave I like many of his actual
 interviews. I like the robot ok, but can not seem to stomach the puppets.
 And it is not just the time wasting that irks - I often feel like he has
 smoked a little too much of his own I'm special, I'm different shit. I
 actually record the show every night, and try to skip to the interviews when
 he has particularly interesting guests, but I gave up months ago trying to
 actually sit through and watch entire shows.

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[TV orNotTV] Re: What Meloni IS doing rather than SVU

Lois Lane's legs?

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 He's been cast in Man of Steel, but not as the well-known character
 from that realm who, like him lately, is clean-shaven:

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Chris Wallace Finally Apologizes for Inappropriate Fox Sunday Interview

The lunatic fringe moves towards the mainstream, and is enabled by the
pundits/puppets and their masters. It would be pathetic if it wasn't
so creepy and unsettling.

On Jun 27, 9:24 am, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote:
 No, not the heavily edited mash-up job he did on Jon Stewart 2 shows ago,
 but the interview from yesterday when he had the nerve to ask Michele
 Bachmann if she was a flake. Bachmann, proving her flakiness, has refused to
 accept the apology:

 http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/27/chris-wallace-apologizes-bac...
 *
 **
 or:http://tinyurl.com/3jqn9hw*

 Stewart said he did not think Wallace took marching orders from the Fox
 corporate talking points memo - but apparently he does. I guess sometimes he
 forgets the other side of the news he is supposed to be presenting. Keep
 in mind, Wallace did not call her a flake, just served up a soft ball giving
 her the opportunity to re-package herself as a non-flake. All she had to say
 was no Chris, - that's the perception of the liberal elites trying to ruin
 our country. There is nothing flaky about standing up for traditional
 American values.

 Bachmann has gotten to where she is (in the recent Iowa poll second
 front-runner for the Republican nomination for President) by delivering red
 meat quotes to the most radical, conservative extremist groups in the party.
 If she really wants to make the transition to a serious national candidate,
 she has to find a way to reinterpret her extremist views for a more
 mainstream audience. Or maybe not, if she only appears on Fox News, and the
 rest of their employees learn the lesson Wallace has about which questions
 can and can not be asked.

 And no, there is nothing even remotely sexist about the question - any male
 candidate, from either political pole who had burst on the national scene
 defined by such extremist rhetoric, would be asked the same kind of question
 (note that Obama burst on the national consciousness at the 2004 Democratic
 Convention giving a relentlessly moderate speech, not wearing a dashiki and
 a big afro god damning America).

 Huff Po: 
 (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/27/michele-bachmann-quotes-_n_8...)
 has a sampling of some of her more extreme statements on one of their
 slideshows, including:

 Her claim that intelligent design is supported by a significant portion of
 the scientific community; her accusation that the Obama Administration runs
 a gangster government; her claim that legislation to reform regulation of
 the financial industry in the wake of the financial crisis was similar to
 the fascist rule of  Benito Mussolini; her comment in New Hampshire that it
 was the state where the shot was heard around the world in Lexington and
 Concord (she did later admit she was wrong about that, though it was
 particularly flakey given the group she has made her name with); her public
 refusal to answer the Census questions (Why does the government need our
 phone numbers?); her claim that last year that the Obama administration
 was  turning our country into a nation of slaves.; her claim that Obama
 was trying to create re-education camps for young people; and her warning
 that the US was considering abandoning the dollar for a multinational
 currency. (appropriately for this thread, Politifact rated Bachmann's
 statement False).

 The point here is not that nobody who believes most or all of the above can
 be president of the USA ; the point is that while delivering these kinds of
 red meat lines can get you a lot of attention from an extreme base, if you
 want to run for president of the country you have to expect to be asked
 about them, and find a way to make them palatable to the mainstream. You
 can't just start crying and get your goons to get the president of Fox News
 to write a memo to the mean man who asked you about it on TV to say he is
 sorry (oh, wait, I guess you can).

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[TV orNotTV] Wrestling news: Shawn, HBK-Hart DVD, Raw glitch, Chavo

2011-06-27 Thread Brian Henke

  Normally, I write this on RATV, but Google Groups has been down for almost 
two days now. So I'm putting this up on TVorNotTV.
 
  Here are some wrestling news items for you:
 
  - Shawn Michaels will appear on tonight's Raw from Las Vegas, which will 
also feature of Raw Roulette.
 
  - Speaking of Shawn, WWE will release a DVD of the Shawn-Bret Hart rivalry 
that led to the 1997 Montreal Screwjob.
 
  - A technical problem on last week's Raw will mean that Evan Bourne will 
take on Sin Cara tonight. On the Power to the People Raw, Cara was one ot 
the three choices to face Bourne; the screwup meant that Mason Ryan won the 
vote, and beat Bourne. 
 
- Chavo Guerrero was unhappy with his place in the WWE hierachy, so he 
asked for - and got Saturday - his release.
 
cincy43...@aol.com - RATV's pro wrestling ambassador
 
  -
 
  I told the audience to shut up. - David Letterman

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Chris Wallace Finally Apologizes for Inappropriate Fox Sunday Interview

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Michael mikethekn...@gmail.com wrote:
 The lunatic fringe moves towards the mainstream, and is enabled by the
 pundits/puppets and their masters. It would be pathetic if it wasn't
 so creepy and unsettling.

We have a debate often about the cable news channels, but I have
noticed a not-too-subtle difference: Liberals still pay lip service to
FoxNews. The teabaggers don't pay any mind to MSNBC or CNN, and they
openly mock wherever the hell Keith wandered off to. By contrast,
the left still watches and participates in FoxNews. They still appear
on the programs to be chided by the whack-job hosts. Say what you will
about the right-wing, but by refusing to participate in the
mainstream, they have forced the game to change.

At the turn of the millennium, Rush Limbaugh had ceased to be a power
player, in large part due to the fact that following his drug
addiction, the left simply began ignoring him. Some of my conservative
friends would marvel at the patently offensive utterances he made
during those years that nobody picked up on. But by 2005 or so,
liberals started commenting on his crap again, and the ditto-heads
made a comeback.

I have found that by and large, the liberals active in politics won't
shut up about FoxNews. They insist on stating and restating the
obvious issues with the channel, and -- whenever they do -- it merely
serves to feed the fire. FoxNews uses that vitriol to encourage its
fan base (See what those guys on the left say about us?). It doesn't
matter that the criticisms are all true. Truth no longer matters in
the world of overpoliticized journalism.

I'd like to conduct a social experiment and see what would happen if
the left would ignore FoxNews for six months. No liberals appear as
guests, no panel discussions on other channels reacting to strange
outbursts by Fox  Friends, no feeling the need to constantly decry
the latest teabagger talking points, and no humorous reairings of any
FoxNews segments by Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. Imagine if
between now and Christmas the liberals would just shut it all down --
refuse to enter into the non-debate. It is a decidedly Republican
tactic, but I think it might work. And even if it doesn't, imagine how
refreshing it might be to see MSNBC and CNN opting to cover other
things -- of course they still won't cover actual issues or engage in
substantive debate, but it has to be better than the FoxNews stalking
they regularly feel compelled to engage in.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Chris Wallace Finally Apologizes for Inappropriate Fox Sunday Interview

2011-06-27 Thread Joe Hass

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:24 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote:

 The point here is not that nobody who believes most or all of the above can
 be president of the USA ; the point is that while delivering these kinds of
 red meat lines can get you a lot of attention from an extreme base, if you
 want to run for president of the country you have to expect to be asked
 about them, and find a way to make them palatable to the mainstream. You
 can't just start crying and get your goons to get the president of Fox News
 to write a memo to the mean man who asked you about it on TV to say he is
 sorry (oh, wait, I guess you can).

Last year Sharon Angle effectively refused to talk to anyone who
wasn't on her approved media list, and nearly won. The catch, of
course, is that was a state race versus a national one. Palin tried it
after the Couric disaster, and it's impossible to determine what
factor it played.

That being said, may I remind everyone of two points:
1. We are still 498 days away from the US general elections.
2. IIRC, at this time in 2007, everyone thought we'd have a Rudy
Giuliani/Hilary Clinton matchup.

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Chris Wallace Finally Apologizes for Inappropriate Fox Sunday Interview

2011-06-27 Thread donz5



On Jun 27, 4:55 pm, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:39 AM, Michael mikethekn...@gmail.com wrote:
  The lunatic fringe moves towards the mainstream, and is enabled by the
  pundits/puppets and their masters. It would be pathetic if it wasn't
  so creepy and unsettling.

 We have a debate often about the cable news channels, but I have
 noticed a not-too-subtle difference: Liberals still pay lip service to
 FoxNews. The teabaggers don't pay any mind to MSNBC or CNN, and they
 openly mock wherever the hell Keith wandered off to. By contrast,
 the left still watches and participates in FoxNews. They still appear
 on the programs to be chided by the whack-job hosts. Say what you will
 about the right-wing, but by refusing to participate in the
 mainstream, they have forced the game to change.

Tea party folks frequently guest on Hardball and The Last Word.


 At the turn of the millennium, Rush Limbaugh had ceased to be a power
 player, in large part due to the fact that following his drug
 addiction, the left simply began ignoring him. Some of my conservative
 friends would marvel at the patently offensive utterances he made
 during those years that nobody picked up on. But by 2005 or so,
 liberals started commenting on his crap again, and the ditto-heads
 made a comeback.

 I have found that by and large, the liberals active in politics won't
 shut up about FoxNews. They insist on stating and restating the
 obvious issues with the channel, and -- whenever they do -- it merely
 serves to feed the fire. FoxNews uses that vitriol to encourage its
 fan base (See what those guys on the left say about us?). It doesn't
 matter that the criticisms are all true. Truth no longer matters in
 the world of overpoliticized journalism.

 I'd like to conduct a social experiment and see what would happen if
 the left would ignore FoxNews for six months. No liberals appear as
 guests, no panel discussions on other channels reacting to strange
 outbursts by Fox  Friends, no feeling the need to constantly decry
 the latest teabagger talking points, and no humorous reairings of any
 FoxNews segments by Jon Stewart and Stephen Colbert. Imagine if
 between now and Christmas the liberals would just shut it all down --
 refuse to enter into the non-debate. It is a decidedly Republican
 tactic, but I think it might work. And even if it doesn't, imagine how
 refreshing it might be to see MSNBC and CNN opting to cover other
 things -- of course they still won't cover actual issues or engage in
 substantive debate, but it has to be better than the FoxNews stalking
 they regularly feel compelled to engage in.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Chris Wallace Finally Apologizes for Inappropriate Fox Sunday Interview

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:51 PM, donz5 do...@aol.com wrote:
 Tea party folks frequently guest on Hardball and The Last Word.

Why do you think they do? What about those shows is different?


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[TV orNotTV] Your 'SVU' Replacements

Kelli Giddish, who played a Marshall Mary Shannon-type without the
crabass attitude on NBC's bomb Chase last season, and Danny Pino
from Cold Case--start your shark-jumping arguments now:

http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/06/27/law-order-svu-kelly-giddish-and-danny-pino/

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Chris Wallace Finally Apologizes for Inappropriate Fox Sunday Interview

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:09 PM, Joe Hass hassgoc...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 11:24 AM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote:
 
  The point here is not that nobody who believes most or all of the above
 can
  be president of the USA ; the point is that while delivering these kinds
 of
  red meat lines can get you a lot of attention from an extreme base, if
 you
  want to run for president of the country you have to expect to be asked
  about them, and find a way to make them palatable to the mainstream. You
  can't just start crying and get your goons to get the president of Fox
 News
  to write a memo to the mean man who asked you about it on TV to say he is
  sorry (oh, wait, I guess you can).

 Last year Sharon Angle effectively refused to talk to anyone who
 wasn't on her approved media list, and nearly won. The catch, of
 course, is that was a state race versus a national one. Palin tried it
 after the Couric disaster, and it's impossible to determine what
 factor it played.

 That being said, may I remind everyone of two points:
 1. We are still 498 days away from the US general elections.
 2. IIRC, at this time in 2007, everyone thought we'd have a Rudy
 Giuliani/Hilary Clinton matchup.


If Michelle Bachmann is the Republican nominee for President in 2012, and
Barak Obama is not the Democratic nominee, then we will really have a
surprise. But neither of those conditional hypotheticals will occur.

My post was less about Bachmann or Fox News, and more about Chris Wallace,
who has tried to portray himself as a credible journalist whose sense of
professionalism and fair play required him to leave the liberal mainstream
news operations for Fox (simultaneously trying to parlay this supposed
credibility into a legitimation of the Fox News operation). This was the
context of his (losing) joust with Stewart. His leg spreading to Bachmann
shows how thin that lie really is.

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[TV orNotTV] Alessandra's Stanley's Law Order: Criminal Intent farewell column

2011-06-27 Thread televisiongirl

In today's Times, Alessandra Stanley said goodbye to LO: CI (
http://tinyurl.com/43dwer4 ) with an odd end to the article:

Fewer and fewer dramas are set in New York City, let alone filmed on
location.

Has she watched TV lately?  There are a number of programs filmed here in
NYC - Gossip Girl/Blue Bloods/White Collar/The Good Wife (though
they're pretending to be Chicago)/30 Rock.  The fall schedule is full of
programs being filmed here (all of CBS's new dramas, Smash, Pan Am).  As
a television writer for the New York Times, shouldn't she be aware of oh,
say the television in New York?


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[TV orNotTV] Re: Chris Wallace Finally Apologizes for Inappropriate Fox Sunday Interview



On Jun 27, 4:55 pm, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote:
 On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 2:51 PM, donz5 do...@aol.com wrote:
  Tea party folks frequently guest on Hardball and The Last Word.

 Why do you think they do? What about those shows is different?

Can't really speak to Larry O'Donnell, but Matthews' show, which
started at the old AT under Roger Ailes, has always had guests from
both sides of the aisle.  As much as the right that loves to scream
about Matthews' alleged my leg got warm at the mention of Obama
remark, they tend to forget that the left accused Matthews of a
similar line about Dubya, which makes me think that Tweety is more a
political junkie than an ideologue--but there are many progressives
who still have a distrust of Matthews from the Bush Administration.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Chris Wallace Finally Apologizes for Inappropriate Fox Sunday Interview

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Mark J. mjeffr...@marcrealty.com wrote:
 Can't really speak to Larry O'Donnell, but Matthews' show, which
 started at the old AT under Roger Ailes, has always had guests from
 both sides of the aisle.  As much as the right that loves to scream
 about Matthews' alleged my leg got warm at the mention of Obama
 remark, they tend to forget that the left accused Matthews of a
 similar line about Dubya, which makes me think that Tweety is more a
 political junkie than an ideologue--but there are many progressives
 who still have a distrust of Matthews from the Bush Administration.

You might look into Real Time from two weeks ago where Matthews was
a panelist. He very clearly has an ideology.

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Weekend Roundup: Killin', Hirin' and Flamin'

2011-06-27 Thread Dave Sikula

They could hire strippers to go door to door with shoeboxes full of
twenties to reveal the murderer, and I wouldn't care. I'm beyond over
the show.

--Dave Sikula

On Jun 27, 8:09 am, Mark J. mjeffr...@marcrealty.com wrote:
 AMC president Charlie Collier (son of Chet, former Group W chief
 during the Mike/Merv/David days and Roger Ailes' long-time lieutenant
 at CNBC, AT and Fixed Noise) said that they did not intend to mislead
 viewers of The Killing by not revealing the killer of Rosie Larsen
 in the season finale--it will be revealed within the first few
 episodes of season 2:

 http://insidetv.ew.com/2011/06/24/the-killing-finale-response/

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[TV orNotTV] Jeff Probst Enters New Oprah Derby

CBS Distribution, who syndicated Oprah for all 25 years (as its
predecessor KingWorld), has signed the Survivor host/showrunner (and
frequent fill-in for Regis and Larry King) for a strip talk show to
start Sept. 2012 focusing on newsmakers and family issues (dear God,
let's hope he doesn't join Maury in the paternity test dodge):

http://www.deadline.com/2011/06/jeff-probst-inks-for-syndicated-talk-show-to-bow-in-fall-2012/

So now it's Anderson Cooper (who starts in September), Katie Couric
and Probst--who else is a contestant on Who Wants to Be the Next
Daytime Talk Franchise?

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Jeff Probst Enters New Oprah Derby

I always liked Probst as host of fx's BackChat, and he was slightly
above average as the host of Rock 'N' Roll Jeopardy! I just found
his most well-known series to be staged, vapid, and somewhat sad.

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Mark J. mjeffr...@marcrealty.com wrote:
 CBS Distribution, who syndicated Oprah for all 25 years (as its
 predecessor KingWorld), has signed the Survivor host/showrunner (and
 frequent fill-in for Regis and Larry King) for a strip talk show to
 start Sept. 2012 focusing on newsmakers and family issues (dear God,
 let's hope he doesn't join Maury in the paternity test dodge):

 http://www.deadline.com/2011/06/jeff-probst-inks-for-syndicated-talk-show-to-bow-in-fall-2012/

 So now it's Anderson Cooper (who starts in September), Katie Couric
 and Probst--who else is a contestant on Who Wants to Be the Next
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[TV orNotTV] Re: Ce Soir Avec Arthur et Craig Ferguson

2011-06-27 Thread JW

 I too have tried to like Ferguson as much as many here seem to, with limited
 success. I don't hate him,and  like Dave I like many of his actual
 interviews. I like the robot ok, but can not seem to stomach the puppets.
 And it is not just the time wasting that irks - I often feel like he has
 smoked a little too much of his own I'm special, I'm different shit. I
 actually record the show every night, and try to skip to the interviews when
 he has particularly interesting guests, but I gave up months ago trying to
 actually sit through and watch entire shows.

I'm with Mike. LLS works for me more often than not. And I find the
puppet cold opens funny. (YMMV.) I think Worldwide Pants has made a
point of making sure the 12:35 show is different than the Late Show,
and Ferguson (and staff) has done a good job of filling some of the
holes that's left.

My big complaint would be that when they got away from the typical
monologue, Craig would go into his real life and his past, which was
good stuff. Now, even if it's not a typical series of jokes, the
monologue is an attempt to be humorous about the story of day, and is
much less compelling.

 And whenever I think I'm over Geoff Peterson, the damn
 robot makes me laugh - particularly with its recently-installed
 smartass-chip. (Kudos to whoever is doing his live dialogue.)

Josh Robert Thompson, who also records the canned responses.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Alessandra's Stanley's Law Order: Criminal Intent farewell column

2011-06-27 Thread Jon Delfin

Maybe she's competing with Ginia B for Most Clueless Timeser?

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:12 PM, televisiongirl televisiong...@gmail.comwrote:

 In today's Times, Alessandra Stanley said goodbye to LO: CI (
 http://tinyurl.com/43dwer4 ) with an odd end to the article:

 Fewer and fewer dramas are set in New York City, let alone filmed on
 location.

 Has she watched TV lately?  There are a number of programs filmed here in
 NYC - Gossip Girl/Blue Bloods/White Collar/The Good Wife (though
 they're pretending to be Chicago)/30 Rock.  The fall schedule is full of
 programs being filmed here (all of CBS's new dramas, Smash, Pan Am).  As
 a television writer for the New York Times, shouldn't she be aware of oh,
 say the television in New York?


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[TV orNotTV] Blagojevich Guilty on 17 of 20 Counts

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/28/us/28blagojevich.html?_r=1partner=rssemc=rsspagewanted=all

Rod R. Blagojevich the former governor of Illinois, of trying to personally
benefit from his role in selecting a replacement for President Obama in the
United States Senate. Mr. Blagojevich, a Democrat whose former aides say
once saw himself as a presidential contender some day, was found guilty of
17 counts of wire fraud, attempted extortion, bribery, extortion conspiracy
and bribery conspiracy. He was acquitted on one charge of bribery, and the
jury deadlocked on two counts of attempted extortion. (SNIP)
**

I tag this as TV because of his interviews on TDS (where I thought Stewart
did not do a particularly good job of pinning him down either time). Also, I
guess he was on one of the reality shows (or did the prosecutors keep him
off?).

The more important story for me is that the prosecutors did learn their
lesson from the first trial - keeping their narrative simpler and trimming
some of the counts. Prosecutors almost always feel obliged to overcharge and
then over-try high profile cases, no matter how often it gets them in
trouble. OJ Simpson would be serving a life sentence for double murder in
California today if his prosecutors had a little bit of discipline. In this
case the key was focusing like a laser on the point that Blagojevich did not
actually have to by a successful extortionist to be guilty of extortion.
Just trying to get personal benefit for his public duties is a crime (this
was one of the things Stewart did not quite seem to understand when
interviewing him).

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Chris Wallace Finally Apologizes for Inappropriate Fox Sunday Interview

2011-06-27 Thread David Bruggeman

He does also come across to me as a political junkie who confuses those 
instincts and desires with populism.  Way too much time on the 'having a beer 
with the guy' kind of stuff for me to take him seriously.


David





From: Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com

Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Chris Wallace Finally Apologizes for 
Inappropriate 
Fox Sunday Interview

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 3:19 PM, Mark J. mjeffr...@marcrealty.com wrote:
 Can't really speak to Larry O'Donnell, but Matthews' show, which
 started at the old AT under Roger Ailes, has always had guests from
 both sides of the aisle.  As much as the right that loves to scream
 about Matthews' alleged my leg got warm at the mention of Obama
 remark, they tend to forget that the left accused Matthews of a
 similar line about Dubya, which makes me think that Tweety is more a
 political junkie than an ideologue--but there are many progressives
 who still have a distrust of Matthews from the Bush Administration.

You might look into Real Time from two weeks ago where Matthews was
a panelist. He very clearly has an ideology.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Ce Soir Avec Arthur et Craig Ferguson

2011-06-27 Thread David Bruggeman

I'm in the tank for the guy, but you have a point that the monologue tries to 
be 
a bit more topical than it has in the past.  That said, I don't think it does 
it 
as much as you might suspect, and when it does, it rarely sustains itself for a 
full monologue.

David





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Subject: [TV orNotTV] Re: Ce Soir Avec Arthur et Craig Ferguson

My big complaint would be that when they got away from the typical
monologue, Craig would go into his real life and his past, which was
good stuff. Now, even if it's not a typical series of jokes, the
monologue is an attempt to be humorous about the story of day, and is
much less compelling.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Jeff Probst Enters New Oprah Derby

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 3:47 PM, Mark J. mjeffr...@marcrealty.com wrote:

 CBS Distribution, who syndicated Oprah for all 25 years (as its
 predecessor KingWorld), has signed the Survivor host/showrunner (and
 frequent fill-in for Regis and Larry King) for a strip talk show to
 start Sept. 2012 focusing on newsmakers and family issues (dear God,
 let's hope he doesn't join Maury in the paternity test dodge):


 http://www.deadline.com/2011/06/jeff-probst-inks-for-syndicated-talk-show-to-bow-in-fall-2012/

 So now it's Anderson Cooper (who starts in September), Katie Couric
 and Probst--who else is a contestant on Who Wants to Be the Next
 Daytime Talk Franchise?


I am only recently getting hip to how these day time talk shows work. CBS
produced Oprah, but it appeared mostly on ABC stations. Katie has signed to
do a talk show that will appear mostly on ABC stations. Will the Probst show
also appear on ABC stations, in more of a support role to Katie, or will it
appear on competing stations in direct conflict?

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[TV orNotTV] Re: The Death of Lt Columbo

2011-06-27 Thread K.M. Richards

According to the Brooks  Marsh book, here are the rotating series
from Mystery Movie's run on NBC, season-by-season:

1971-72: Columbo, McCloud, McMillan  Wife (McCloud having debuted the
previous season as part of Four-In-One)
1972-73: Columbo, McCloud, McMillan, Hec Ramsey (Sunday); Banacek,
Cool Million, Madigan  (Wednesday)
1973-74: same as 1972-73 season Sundays;  Banacek, Faraday  Company,
Tenafly, The Snoop Sisters (Wednesday until January, then Tuesdays);
1974-75: Columbo, McCloud, McMillan, Amy Prentiss
1975-76: Columbo, McCloud, McMillan, McCoy
1976-77: Columbo, McCloud, McMillan, Quincy M.E. (Quincy moved to its
own timeslot with hour-long episodes in January, and was replaced on
Sunday with Lanigan's Rabbi; that was indeed due to it getting higher
ratings than the other rotating series, although IIRC it wasn't that
far ahead of Columbo, and the latter was never going to be a weekly
series because Peter Falk refused to do more of them than he already
was)

The Ellery Queen series with Jim Hutton ran in the 1975-76 season and
was the lead-in to Mystery Movie during its last nine months (Ellery
8:00-9:00, Mystery Movie 9:00-11:00).  As MM had gone to two-hour
episodes beginning with the previous season, perhaps NBC and Universal
felt trying to do Ellery in that length would have been excessive?

Trivial addition to thread ... the number of episodes produced for
each Mystery Movie series (pilot episodes not included):
Columbo: 43
McCloud: 39 (not including the 1970-71 Four-In-Ones)
McMillan (with and without Wife): 39
Banacek: 16
Hec Ramsey: 10
Madigan: 6
McCoy: 5
Cool Million: 4
Faraday and Company: 4
Lanigan's Rabbi: 4
Quincy M.E.: 4 (then 144 more after being spun off)
The Snoop Sisters: 4
Amy Prentiss: 3

There were 22 episodes of Ellery Queen produced, for comparison
purposes.

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 Quincy was part of the mystery wheel? I remember only the other three.
 Too bad they couldn't have worked Ellery Queen in there; might have
 prolonged the series.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: The Death of Lt Columbo

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 5:56 PM, K.M. Richards richard...@gmail.com wrote:

 Trivial addition to thread ... the number of episodes produced for
 each Mystery Movie series (pilot episodes not included):
 Columbo: 43
 McCloud: 39 (not including the 1970-71 Four-In-Ones)
 McMillan (with and without Wife): 39
 Banacek: 16
 Hec Ramsey: 10
 Madigan: 6
 McCoy: 5
 Cool Million: 4
 Faraday and Company: 4
 Lanigan's Rabbi: 4
 Quincy M.E.: 4 (then 144 more after being spun off)
 The Snoop Sisters: 4
 Amy Prentiss: 3

 There were 22 episodes of Ellery Queen produced, for comparison
 purposes.


Even more triviallyFor some time I had been nostalgic for Bancek, and
bitter that it was not streaming on the Netflix. I finally broke down and
ordered them on the disks, allocated some quality time to sit down and savor
them andwow, did they not hold up well.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: The Death of Lt Columbo

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:10 PM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote:

 Even more triviallyFor some time I had been nostalgic for Bancek, and
 bitter that it was not streaming on the Netflix. I finally broke down and
 ordered them on the disks, allocated some quality time to sit down and savor
 them andwow, did they not hold up well.

I mildly disagree. I think they hold up well as period pieces, and the
mysteries are not without their degree of fun. I concur that Peter
Falk's series was better at storytelling and character development,
but I can still sit down and enjoy George Peppard as a post Tiffanys
and pre A-Team hipster.

And the short skirts worn by many of the female guest star and
extras... well, they hold up well.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: The Death of Lt Columbo

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:14 PM, Kevin M. drunkbastar...@gmail.com wrote:

 On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:10 PM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote:

  Even more triviallyFor some time I had been nostalgic for Bancek, and
  bitter that it was not streaming on the Netflix. I finally broke down and
  ordered them on the disks, allocated some quality time to sit down and
 savor
  them andwow, did they not hold up well.

 I mildly disagree. I think they hold up well as period pieces, and the
 mysteries are not without their degree of fun. I concur that Peter
 Falk's series was better at storytelling and character development,
 but I can still sit down and enjoy George Peppard as a post Tiffanys
 and pre A-Team hipster.

 And the short skirts worn by many of the female guest star and
 extras... well, they hold up well.


I will give you the short skirts, but the hair and make-up were a joke, and
the dialogue was even worse. It is not so much a period piece as a gross
caricature of what out of touch middle aged white guys must have thought was
hip and groovy 10 years before. The mysteries were often fun, but turned on
implausible plot points and clues so subtle as to be indistinguishable from
background noise and writing and acting imperfections. You might be able to
guess who the bad guy was using some rule of tv formula (second most
obvious, or second least obvious, suspect), but no chance figuring out the
specifics of the how or the why until Banacek's great reveal. I still did
get a bit of a kick out of Peppard hamming it up, but that was not nearly
enough to sustain the thin gruel of the stories. Columbo on the other hand I
can (and do) watch over and over again, and enjoy the writing and the acting
and the characters and the plot as much today as 35 years ago.

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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: The Death of Lt Columbo

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 6:31 PM, PGage pga...@gmail.com wrote:
 I will give you the short skirts, but the hair and make-up were a joke, and
 the dialogue was even worse. It is not so much a period piece as a gross
 caricature of what out of touch middle aged white guys must have thought was
 hip and groovy 10 years before. The mysteries were often fun, but turned on
 implausible plot points and clues so subtle as to be indistinguishable from
 background noise and writing and acting imperfections. You might be able to
 guess who the bad guy was using some rule of tv formula (second most
 obvious, or second least obvious, suspect), but no chance figuring out the
 specifics of the how or the why until Banacek's great reveal. I still did
 get a bit of a kick out of Peppard hamming it up, but that was not nearly
 enough to sustain the thin gruel of the stories. Columbo on the other hand I
 can (and do) watch over and over again, and enjoy the writing and the acting
 and the characters and the plot as much today as 35 years ago.

As I said, all fair points, but I can still get some enjoyment from
the kitsch factor of the series.

Onto another tangent that drags us farther off topic: I recently
picked up two vinyl albums by Doc Severinsen, for which I paid less
than $4.00 for the pair (though this was a low cost purchase, it is
monumentally bad -- financially speaking -- that I work across the
street from Amoeba Records on Sunset Blvd.). He recorded them both in
the mid 1960s, and while they are both good, there is a vibe to the
music that unmistakably shouts, I am to be played at a party attended
by Jeannie and Majors Healy and Nelson! Though many songs on the
albums are jazz standards, the arrangements are alarmingly indicative
of that era. There was that brief period in big band jazz when they
tried to adapt and compete directly with the pop and rock genres --
the modern equivalent would be me trying to pass in the world of urban
hip hop. Severinsen's music is well produced and well performed, but
man oh man is it dated. Fun to groove to, but entirely dated.
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RE: [TV orNotTV] Re: The Death of Lt Columbo

2011-06-27 Thread Melissa P

My first concert at Wolf Trap (http://www.wolftrap.org/) -- long before it
burned down and was rebuilt -- was to hear Doc play in person.  The finest
trumpet player.  Ever.

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Onto another tangent that drags us farther off topic: I recently
picked up two vinyl albums by Doc Severinsen, for which I paid less
than $4.00 for the pair (though this was a low cost purchase, it is
monumentally bad -- financially speaking -- that I work across the
street from Amoeba Records on Sunset Blvd.). He recorded them both in
the mid 1960s, and while they are both good, there is a vibe to the
music that unmistakably shouts, I am to be played at a party attended
by Jeannie and Majors Healy and Nelson! Though many songs on the
albums are jazz standards, the arrangements are alarmingly indicative
of that era. There was that brief period in big band jazz when they
tried to adapt and compete directly with the pop and rock genres --
the modern equivalent would be me trying to pass in the world of urban
hip hop. Severinsen's music is well produced and well performed, but
man oh man is it dated. Fun to groove to, but entirely dated.
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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: The Death of Lt Columbo

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Melissa P takingupspace...@gmail.com wrote:
 My first concert at Wolf Trap (http://www.wolftrap.org/) -- long before it
 burned down and was rebuilt -- was to hear Doc play in person.  The finest
 trumpet player.  Ever.

I -- um -- accidentally posted this link last year. It was the
performance Doc and several of his Tonight Show band members played on
Letterman after Johnny passed. The raw emotion of this piece is
intense. You can really feel the sadness in Doc's horn.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2416505/here%20comes%20that%20rainy%20day.mp3


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[TV orNotTV] Re: Dems Attempt to Stop Handover of NJ PTV Net


Mark J., last week:
 As a company run by New York PBS power WNET prepares to take over
 operations of New Jersey's state-owned NJN stations on next Friday and
 Gov. Christie can claim himself the most successful Republican
 lawmaker to shut down those Commie public broadcasters, two Democratic
 members of the legislature have introduced resolutions to stop the
 transfer--the resolutions only require a simple majority and both
 houses hold Democratic majorities, so the transfer could be stopped:

The Assembly measure failed, and tonight, so did the Senate's... US
senator Lautenberg was dismayed:
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/06/post_222.html

Trouble is, the deal does not completely bail out the state:
http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2011/06/wnet_13_will_take_over_njn_but.html



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RE: [TV orNotTV] Re: The Death of Lt Columbo

2011-06-27 Thread Melissa P

Thanks.  I listened to it the first time.  And, again just a minute ago.

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Subject: Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: The Death of Lt Columbo

On Mon, Jun 27, 2011 at 7:15 PM, Melissa P takingupspace...@gmail.com
wrote:
 My first concert at Wolf Trap (http://www.wolftrap.org/) -- long before it
 burned down and was rebuilt -- was to hear Doc play in person.  The finest
 trumpet player.  Ever.

I -- um -- accidentally posted this link last year. It was the
performance Doc and several of his Tonight Show band members played on
Letterman after Johnny passed. The raw emotion of this piece is
intense. You can really feel the sadness in Doc's horn.

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2416505/here%20comes%20that%20rainy%20day.mp3

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[TV orNotTV] Re: Wrestling news: Shawn, HBK-Hart DVD, Raw glitch, Chavo


We're not aware of any issues with GG... it's probably only with
Usenet. We haven't heard about any action on Google's part; meanwhile,
I don't know how many pro-rasslin' fans there are here, but it can't
be many.



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[TV orNotTV] Re: Blagojevich Guilty on 17 of 20 Counts

PGage, in part:
 I tag this as TV because of his interviews on TDS (where I thought Stewart
 did not do a particularly good job of pinning him down either time). Also, I
 guess he was on one of the reality shows (or did the prosecutors keep him
 off?).

Celebrity Apprentice, summer 2010.



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Re: [TV orNotTV] Re: Blagojevich Guilty on 17 of 20 Counts