RE: [U2] Green Software - Green Business
Ross, That's funny - and sad. My sister lives in Norway - and maybe that explains why I haven't heard of any other companies doing it. Maybe US companies are concerned with just such a lawsuit! Now who can I sue because the US has developed such a litigious reputation? S Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:00:48 +1000 From: Ross Ferris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: As an observer from across the water, and given the litigious nature I perceive pervading the US, I just wonder what will happen to this initiative the first time an employee is hit injured whilst travelling to work? If the community had bike lanes and/or trails that were JUST for bikes, it would be safer -- unless of course one of the bike riders runs over an innocent pedestrian I'm probably just FAR too cynical :-( Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Green Software - Green Business
Here in the UK there is a Government scheme under which you can buy a bicycle tax free so long as your employer has signed up. I don't know the details or anyone who has done it though. George On 31/07/2008 11:27, Susan Joslyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ross, That's funny - and sad. My sister lives in Norway - and maybe that explains why I haven't heard of any other companies doing it. Maybe US companies are concerned with just such a lawsuit! Now who can I sue because the US has developed such a litigious reputation? S Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:00:48 +1000 From: Ross Ferris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: As an observer from across the water, and given the litigious nature I perceive pervading the US, I just wonder what will happen to this initiative the first time an employee is hit injured whilst travelling to work? If the community had bike lanes and/or trails that were JUST for bikes, it would be safer -- unless of course one of the bike riders runs over an innocent pedestrian I'm probably just FAR too cynical :-( Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ ** This email and any files transmitted with it are confidential and intended solely for the use of the individual or entity to whom they are addressed. If you have received this email in error please notify us immediately on +44 (01952) 214000 or at [EMAIL PROTECTED] . Please delete and destroy any copies in any format of this email you may have received in error. The recipient should note that the views contained or expressed within this correspondence do not necessarily reflect those of APT Solutions Limited , it subsidiaries, affiliates or associates. This email and any attachments are not guaranteed to be free from so-called computer viruses and it is recommended that you check for such viruses before down-loading it to your computer equipment. It is the responsibility of the recipient to ensure that the onward transmission, opening or use of this message or any attachments will not adversely affect their systems or data. Registered Office:- Stratum House, Stafford Park 10, Telford, Shropshire, TF3 3AB Registration Number:- 2228445 Place of Registration: England Wales ** --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Green Software - Green Business
Drive 55? Ha! More like 60-70 or 25-40! I don't know what is worse getting tailgated by the high speeders, or by the line of traffic behind you. Driving in the middle of the road, passing on curves regardless of whether they are going uphill or downhill. Then you have the people that ignore the fact someone else is already in their lane and pull out and go no where. I just love meeting dump trucks flying around a curve where by the time they complete the curve they are halfway on my side of the road. No shoulders, narrow roads. If you get car sick easily don't come here! If I lived just a little closer and didn't have to cross a bridge over the lake, I'd seriously consider riding my horse to work. Brenda Price -Original Message- From: jpb-u2ug [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 10:20 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Green Software - Green Business In our area of the Ozarks none of this would work because most of our roads are two lane and, except for the main roads, they are unpaved. We have several people that have changed to driving motor cycles and higher powered motor scooters. Most of the people in this area have to drive 4 wheel drives because of the dirt roads and they know how to drive 55 mph on the winding roads so anything that is underpowered, like a bicycle, would be risking their lives. Jerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Joslyn Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:28 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Green Software - Green Business Ross, That's funny - and sad. My sister lives in Norway - and maybe that explains why I haven't heard of any other companies doing it. Maybe US companies are concerned with just such a lawsuit! Now who can I sue because the US has developed such a litigious reputation? S Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:00:48 +1000 From: Ross Ferris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: As an observer from across the water, and given the litigious nature I perceive pervading the US, I just wonder what will happen to this initiative the first time an employee is hit injured whilst travelling to work? If the community had bike lanes and/or trails that were JUST for bikes, it would be safer -- unless of course one of the bike riders runs over an innocent pedestrian I'm probably just FAR too cynical :-( Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Green Software - Green Business
In our area of the Ozarks none of this would work because most of our roads are two lane and, except for the main roads, they are unpaved. We have several people that have changed to driving motor cycles and higher powered motor scooters. Most of the people in this area have to drive 4 wheel drives because of the dirt roads and they know how to drive 55 mph on the winding roads so anything that is underpowered, like a bicycle, would be risking their lives. Jerry -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Joslyn Sent: Thursday, July 31, 2008 5:28 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: RE: [U2] Green Software - Green Business Ross, That's funny - and sad. My sister lives in Norway - and maybe that explains why I haven't heard of any other companies doing it. Maybe US companies are concerned with just such a lawsuit! Now who can I sue because the US has developed such a litigious reputation? S Date: Wed, 30 Jul 2008 19:00:48 +1000 From: Ross Ferris [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: As an observer from across the water, and given the litigious nature I perceive pervading the US, I just wonder what will happen to this initiative the first time an employee is hit injured whilst travelling to work? If the community had bike lanes and/or trails that were JUST for bikes, it would be safer -- unless of course one of the bike riders runs over an innocent pedestrian I'm probably just FAR too cynical :-( Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Green Software - Green Business
On Thu, Jul 31, 2008 at 7:50 AM, George Land [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Here in the UK there is a Government scheme under which you can buy a bicycle tax free so long as your employer has signed up. I don't know the details or anyone who has done it though. But why would I buy a bicycle tax? And even if it's free it's not much of a bargain. ;-) Yes, I'm joking. But it just goes to show how the American Congress looks at things; exactly opposite of how it was intended, and as nonsensical as possible. I wonder how solid the internet connections are in Ireland? --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Green Software - Green Business
As an observer from across the water, and given the litigious nature I perceive pervading the US, I just wonder what will happen to this initiative the first time an employee is hit injured whilst travelling to work? If the community had bike lanes and/or trails that were JUST for bikes, it would be safer -- unless of course one of the bike riders runs over an innocent pedestrian I'm probably just FAR too cynical :-( Ross Ferris Stamina Software Visage Better by Design! -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:owner-u2- [EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Joslyn Sent: Wednesday, 30 July 2008 3:25 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Green Software - Green Business Don Verhagen made the point that we do what comes naturally (conveniently) and sometimes that's green and sometimes it's not. For me, I admit, that's true. My green efforts have stemmed from what is convenient and less expensive, I admit it. I just think that it's lucky we are in an industry / business where being greener and doing what is better and cheaper all line up! My sister's company issued a green offer to the employees that it would pay for a bicycle for any employee that would ride it to work. So my sister jumped on it, got a great new bicycle and rides it to work every day and is the world's biggest enthusiast now. She's lost weight and says she feels 20 years younger. It's a huge triple win. I thought I might hear a few stories like my sister's company bicycle. I guess these kinds of initiatives are still rare, but expect they will become more common -- both for the marketing appeal of being able to claim greenness and because of the price of gas. Susan --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Green Software - Green Business
Don Verhagen made the point that we do what comes naturally (conveniently) and sometimes that's green and sometimes it's not. For me, I admit, that's true. My green efforts have stemmed from what is convenient and less expensive, I admit it. I just think that it's lucky we are in an industry / business where being greener and doing what is better and cheaper all line up! My sister's company issued a green offer to the employees that it would pay for a bicycle for any employee that would ride it to work. So my sister jumped on it, got a great new bicycle and rides it to work every day and is the world's biggest enthusiast now. She's lost weight and says she feels 20 years younger. It's a huge triple win. I thought I might hear a few stories like my sister's company bicycle. I guess these kinds of initiatives are still rare, but expect they will become more common -- both for the marketing appeal of being able to claim greenness and because of the price of gas. Susan --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Green Software - Green Business
Ultimately, there's only one kind of green that companies care about (though for those of you outside the US, they print it in more than one color), and the other kind of green won't happen unless it facilitates making more of the first kind. Susan Joslyn wrote: Don Verhagen made the point that we do what comes naturally (conveniently) and sometimes that's green and sometimes it's not. For me, I admit, that's true. My green efforts have stemmed from what is convenient and less expensive, I admit it. I just think that it's lucky we are in an industry / business where being greener and doing what is better and cheaper all line up! My sister's company issued a green offer to the employees that it would pay for a bicycle for any employee that would ride it to work. So my sister jumped on it, got a great new bicycle and rides it to work every day and is the world's biggest enthusiast now. She's lost weight and says she feels 20 years younger. It's a huge triple win. I thought I might hear a few stories like my sister's company bicycle. I guess these kinds of initiatives are still rare, but expect they will become more common -- both for the marketing appeal of being able to claim greenness and because of the price of gas. Susan --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ -- Geoffrey Mitchell Programmer/Analyst Home Decorator's Collection 314-684-1062 --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Green Software - Green Business
On Tue, Jul 29, 2008 at 11:24 AM, Susan Joslyn [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I thought I might hear a few stories like my sister's company bicycle. I guess these kinds of initiatives are still rare, but expect they will become more common -- both for the marketing appeal of being able to claim greenness and because of the price of gas. Especially with the price of gas, there's no better time than the present for companies to seriously consider telecommuting. I've been a full time telejockey for many years now and there's nothing quite like filling up the (motorcycle) tank for $8, especially knowing it's all for entertainment travel rather than required to make a living. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Green Software - Green Business
Jeff, you wouldn't happen to have worked for EBS and VERSYSS? David Laansma IT Manager Hubbard Supply Co. Direct: 810-342-7143 Office:810-234-8681 Fax: 810-234-6142 www.hubbardsupply.com Delivering Products, Services, and Innovative Solutions -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Powell Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 7:28 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Green Software - Green Business Well Susan, my company makes it's money selling products to manufacturers of oil and natural gas equipment. I tried to bring up the subject of telecommuting and was laughed out of the room. My motives were however purely selfish as I don't like pouring $40-$50 a week down the filler tube on my car. We are trying to go paperless. We print thousands of sheets of paper, then scan and shred them once we're done writing on them. Oh well ... going green is not on the radar anytime soon. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Green Software - Green Business
The definition of a bureaucrat is one who photocopies their documents before shredding them. A former employer of mine used to have me print inventory lists every Friday; about 400 pages times about 30 users. Decollating four-part carbon paper was a riot. Talk about a carbon footprint! I finally convinced the boss that giving 30 people terminals with an inventory display (updated in real-time) was cheaper and more useful than all that printing. I still had to print one copy for each branch in case the computer (or more often, a phone line) went down. -- Louie On Fri, Jul 25, 2008 at 4:28 PM, Jeff Powell [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... We are trying to go paperless. We print thousands of sheets of paper, then scan and shred them once we're done writing on them. ... --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Green Software - Green Business
Susan, I've had this up on my screen all day, pondering this topic and your comments on it. While I applaud companies who make concerted efforts for overall betterment in any direction, I have grave concerns over the current kermit-chrome movement. If it were about saving the planet, that's something to get behind. But it's not. Rather, it's first and foremost a marketing angle to try to improve perception among an increasingly cynical market. Case in point: I received correspondence from a company touting itself as going green with all sorts of platitudes about saving the environment, yada, yada, yada. I would have really appreciated their efforts had this correspondence not been done via a big color catalog. Frankly, the concept of a small software company going green and achieving any positive impact (other than the market perception issue) is laughable. While I'm all for making big changes through small moves, I believe the greatest effort to be green will pale in comparison to the global positive impact that corporate honesty and integrity could bring. For starters, a company could stop talking about green and just do it. At least then there's a chance that they're being honest about it, rather than bastardizing altruistic causes for personal gain. -K --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
Re: [U2] Green Software - Green Business
Well Susan, my company makes it's money selling products to manufacturers of oil and natural gas equipment. I tried to bring up the subject of telecommuting and was laughed out of the room. My motives were however purely selfish as I don't like pouring $40-$50 a week down the filler tube on my car. We are trying to go paperless. We print thousands of sheets of paper, then scan and shred them once we're done writing on them. Oh well ... going green is not on the radar anytime soon. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Green Software - Green Business
So can I coin the term carbon-beltsame as the rust-belt (old steel industry) It has all the connotations as the word legacy. It appears you work for a carbon challenged company. Or mgmt are 'cabrons' - spanish slang Garry L. Smith Dir Info Systems Charles McMurray Company V# 559-292-5782 F# 559-346-6169 -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jeff Powell Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 4:28 PM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: Re: [U2] Green Software - Green Business Well Susan, my company makes it's money selling products to manufacturers of oil and natural gas equipment. I tried to bring up the subject of telecommuting and was laughed out of the room. My motives were however purely selfish as I don't like pouring $40-$50 a week down the filler tube on my car. We are trying to go paperless. We print thousands of sheets of paper, then scan and shred them once we're done writing on them. Oh well ... going green is not on the radar anytime soon. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
RE: [U2] Green Software - Green Business
Susan, While the below changes may result in green results I tend to believe the main motivation behind most of the changes were monetary not environmental. Every green change has monetary benefit to the business owner. 1) Software and Documentation - No CD production costs / No Reams of Paper 2) Don't commute / Employees don't commute -- No office building rent/lease, a/c, water, etc. 3) Travel -- Obvious, however, it may be like me and I like to keep me shoes on in public. =) I think the question is what really motivated the change. Money (and convenience) or green? Would you make a green change if it *cost you more* money than not going green. And as a side note, I hate green, the movement, the color. Can't we go blue? The sky is blue, so is the ocean, so is the porn..., damn it, blue is out. Don Verhagen Commuting 60 miles a day in 5.7L Hemi SUV with the a/c on high and the windows open. -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Susan Joslyn Sent: Friday, July 25, 2008 7:25 AM To: u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org Subject: [U2] Green Software - Green Business This idea is interesting, though. Is this bordering - or boldly going - into an off-topic discussion? Software companies (and departments) are among the types of organizations that can most easily lend themselves to Kermit-chrome. I can't say that I require payment by Paypal - my customers' are businesses that have accounting departments and pay cycles and all kinds of things that I don't feel are my right to force them to circumvent in order to do business with me. But I do provide the software and the documentation via electronic media, I avoid unnecessary paper, I don't commute and the folks that do work for me also do it from home. I do upgrades and training remotely with more and more use of web-based meetings. So less flying my carbon footprint around (which also conserves my more personal energy!) So far my efforts to go green have been very easy. They corresponded with technology advances, good sense budget monitoring and convenience. That's a triple win! I would be interested in hearing about other companies who are making any efforts and what kind of efforts to go green. Replacing monitors? Lowering the power settings? (I'd have a hard time seeing my laptop screen!) What else is anyone doing or thinking of doing? Curiously and even spuriously yours, Susan J. --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/ --- u2-users mailing list u2-users@listserver.u2ug.org To unsubscribe please visit http://listserver.u2ug.org/
