Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...
On 01/03/13 02:24, Will Tinsdeall wrote: I use Evolution. I find it the most complete solution for all of my organisational needs. I don't know why they decided to move away from it in the default distro Will I dunno, I yoyo between Evolution and TBird - Evolution is much better as office software but sucks as a mail client whilst TBird is a pretty good mail client which sucks as office software. The worst aspect of Evolution's suckiness as a mail client is the annoyingly laggy IMAP (yes, I have tried it again since they allegedly improved this). The other thing it doesn't do is show tasks in the calendar - that totally sucks cos it means I keep booking meetings over task deadlines. I'm sure someone's about to suggest to me that I use both - and God knows I've tried. But that tends to screw up my sync cos one uses funambol and the other uses syncevolution - I keep getting corrupted addressbooks etc. And since Evolution's IMAP implementation is so grim it makes it hard to keep even mails in sync. I don't think anyone's really developing Evolution these days - and Mozilla isn't going to add features to TBird so looks like both will be vaguely unsatisfactory in one way or another in perpetuity ;) Nuffin's ever perfect :D Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...
On 27/02/13 10:37, Alan Pope wrote: On 27/02/13 10:24, Tyler J. Wagner wrote: On 2013-02-27 09:18, Alan Pope wrote: At my previous job where Windows + Outlook was the desktop of choice I've seen plenty of people do what Tyler described. One of the nice features Windows has which I've never seen Linux desktops do nicely is dragging and dropping items from a non-focussed window onto the focussed window without focussing the non-focussed window. I'm describing the opposite. Drag an object from the maximised focused window to a non-focused window. Yes, I got that, I was describing other further useful features that Windows has :) Cheers, Many years ago, I used to do this in Outlook all the time - it's one of the few features I've always missed. I never found a way of doing it in TBird. I've lived without it for the 10 years I've been using Ubuntu already ;) Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Zoostorm laptop at ebuyer.com
Yyyy! 3.8 kernel does have the module. I generally find the next version of Ubuntu solves probs with drivers for relatively new equipment. Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Zoostorm laptop at ebuyer.com
On 06/02/13 13:50, Rowan Berkeley wrote: Linux Emporium do quite a range of Lenovo's with Ubuntu ready installed. I suppose when you rate the machines against the prices, you find that for any given price you're getting less of a machine, because the margin they charge for the installation is not inconsiderable. Rowan I'm a cheapskate speedfreak - want sped, don't care too much about the box as long as the keyboard/pad are useable, don't wanna pay MS tax (cos it's the difference between, say, an i3 and an i5) and I can research driver availability before I buy and put Ubuntu on it myself ;) I can see the PC specialist and Linux Emporium options can be good if you'd rather someone else did it - although I have often had to sort out stuff for friends like Toshiba netbooks with preinstalled Ubuntu which break as soon as the first kernel upgrade comes through. But isn't it fabulous that we're having a discussion about which provider to use - it used to be absolute murder trying to find a box without Windows preinstalled. Now I can choose from eBuyer Zoostorm, PCSpecialist, Aleutia, TranquilPC, Yoyotech, Novatech, pre-built barebones from eBay, Linux Emporium . . . I feel like a kid in a candy shop ;) Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Logon to desktop lag
On 06/02/13 22:44, SuperEngineer wrote: On Wed, 2013-02-06 at 21:53 +, Alan Pope wrote: Bootchart probably. Alan, solved. A thousand thanks. Bootchart proved the one thing I'd got so used to I'd forgotten it might be a cause. Cairo dock loading at start up on a Unity desktop - used to be fine but no longer so it appears... it's in constant conflict when used with Unity if loaded at start up [rather than after start up]. I'd report a bug but I suspect it's just a case that I was pushing boundaries too far for this ol' pooter. Again, thank you. I was having this problem on my Zoostorm (the one with the dodgy wifi driver) - and I also suspected the wifi driver but I read a bug report that blamed Wine dependencies - removed Wine and all its dependencies and it improved the login time drastically. Then I got a load of freezing and system crashing (that's right, no keyboard, total lockup). Terminally lost patience with 12.04, everything I read indicates that 12.10 is just as bad so I upgraded to the 13.04 alpha. So far, I've had less bother with the alpha than with 12.04 ;) Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 13.04 behaves differently...
On 21/02/13 17:37, Barry Drake wrote: Curiously, last week I put Mint on a spare partition just to take a look. I found I was not enjoying the experience! It was only on reflection that I realised I was missing the easy Unity experience too much! I find Unity very usable on PC and netbook (no touch) and everything else feels, well, just old fashioned. Regards,Barry. Agree, hated Unity at first (and there's still things about it, especially lack of customisability) that are annoying) but now that it actually works properly - and looks so nice on 13.04 - I do find anything else feels clunky now. Also agree that Nautilus is a total disaster on 12.04 - will look at Nemo but will wait as it installs the cinnamon desktop and you have to reconfigure to have Nautilus draw the desktop but Nemo manage files. Got a feeling that's possibly going to end in tears on an alpha - and Unity does seem very intolerant of hacking it about. By the look of Nemo's functionality it does seem like a good idea to dump Nautilus and replace it with Nemo for 13.04? Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Zoostorm laptop at ebuyer.com
On 23/01/13 15:57, Mark Fraser wrote: On 18 January 2013 09:32, Simon Greenwood sfgreenw...@gmail.com mailto:sfgreenw...@gmail.com wrote: On 18 Jan 2013 07:59, Mark Fraser mfraz74+ubu...@gmail.com mailto:mfraz74%2bubu...@gmail.com wrote: Found this zoostorm laptop on ebuyer's website http://www.ebuyer.com/411061- zoostorm-laptop-7873-9042 and was wondering if it would be suitable for installing Ubuntu on. Some of the comments mention lack of Debian drivers for wi-fi, but there are instructions on how to compile drivers although I don't fancy going through that every time the kernel changes. There are plenty of more well known names around that price that have better support for Ubuntu. The Lenovo G700 series immediately come to mind, mostly because I've got one. A Clemo laptop from pcspecialist.co.uk http://pcspecialist.co.uk should have a similar spec for that price and they support Ubuntu as they are the same models that System76 sell. Had a look around PCSpecialist and am considering either the Genesis IV or Enigma IV. I was thinking of including a blu-ray driver seeing as VLC now supports them, but would Intel HD Graphics 4000 work or should I go for the NVIDIA GeForce GT 650M? I also buy from PCSpecialist, their laptops are a similar Clevo chassis to the Zoostorm but you get higher spec for lower price with the Zoostorm laptop. I just bought a PCSpecialist mini ITX since Zoostorm desktop boxes sound like low-flying aircraft. I bought the Zoostorm laptop to replace a Lenovo G500 which I accidentally left in Starbucks on Freiburg Central Station before xmas. The Lenovo was fine but it weighed a ton, I had to pay Windows tax on it (not available naked) and the spec per £ ratio is even lower with low-end Lenovos than it is with the (naked) PCSpecialist Clevos. the more expensive PC specialist laptops have prettier cases, I'd rather have the RAM though ;) Paula Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Zoostorm laptop at ebuyer.com
On 02/02/13 10:30, Barry Drake wrote: On 01/02/13 19:28, Paula Graham wrote: So, less confusingly chatty recap: 1. find and download the driver 2. change to driver's folder in a terminal 3. sudo make 4. sudo make-install 5. sudo modprobe [module ID] Paula Paula Thanks for talking this one through in such detail. I've saved it for future reference. I know what you mean about the problems getting the driver in the first place. A couple or three years ago I bought a wifi dongle and had to compile a module. There were four different drivers I found on the internet for this chipset, and only one of them worked. Next kernel update, the module would not compile because of a deprecated function that had been removed in a GCC update so I had to re-write a couple of lines in the source. The following kernel update incorporated the wifi chipset so I haven't had to bother since, but it was a pain at the time. Regards,Barry I Know - I just bought an Epson V37 scanner - it took me half a day to get track down the 4 components of the driver packaged for debian (no ubuntu debs) from two different websites which had to be installed in the correct order - and then Ubuntu still wouldn't recognise the device until I did a bunch more tweaking - and then there's a bug which causes apt-get to whinge every time I update now. Went to fix it by purging the debian drivers and compiling from source but the source for the driver is no longer available - or if it is I can't find it. There's a discussion on Launchpad about how someone should fix it but doesn't seem to have got beyond the discussion stage. Ubuntu has more drivers oob than any other OS so 9 times out of 10 the experience is infinitely better than with Windows - but when there isn't a native driver it really is an epic pain in the btm! Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Zoostorm laptop at ebuyer.com
On 02/02/13 07:48, Rowan Berkeley wrote: On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 7:28 PM, Paula Graham pmg...@gmx.co.uk mailto:pmg...@gmx.co.uk wrote: OK. Verbatim instructions plus chatty asides below cos it's Friday and I'm about to quit for the week wh!(etc) Paula I can see and digest all this. But without actually doing it again right now, I'd like to ask for one more instruction from anybody who feels able to supply it: I want one which will show me any other wireless drivers that may be loitering with intent to conflict, whether assigned, unassigned, enabled, disabled, or whatever. Then I can blacklist them, which is not hard. Don't know if there's a list anywhere - doubt it given that the thing is lurking in someone's Dropbox ;) Apropos the instructions I gave though - it does occur to me that I missed out what to do if Ubuntu whinges it hasn't got gcc when you issue the 'make' command. If it does, this will fix it: sudo apt-get install build-essential Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Zoostorm laptop at ebuyer.com
On 31/01/13 20:30, Tyler J. Wagner wrote: On 2013-01-31 18:46, Paula Graham wrote: I've got the i3 version of the Zoostorm laptop - 12.04 installed perfectly except wifi chip is a bit of a pain, needs to be hunted down, compiled and then recompiled every time the kernel upgrades - native driver should be in kernel 3.8. The current driver is a tad flaky, drops connection irritatingly. An important thing to remember when buying laptops is that the wireless chipset is usual a mini/micro/whatever PCI card and can be swapped out for something with better support. When I run into a weird/Dell/Broadcom wifi chipset with bad Linux support, I buy the last-generation Intel chipset on eBay for £10 and toss the old in a pile somewhere. It's cheaper and easier than you think it is. Certainly easier than compiling a driver every few weeks. Tyler I dunno, doesn't seem a huge burden to me - the driver's in a handy folder - it takes all of 20 secs to compile - prefer it to opening a brand new laptop with a perfectly good Realtek chip (and I'm clumsy with hardware). Will just tolerate mild inconvenience, upgrade when 13.04 comes out with kernel 3.8 and native driver - problem solved, feisty laptop with no MS tax for under £400 ;) Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Zoostorm laptop at ebuyer.com
On 01/02/13 16:18, Rowan Berkeley wrote: On 01/02/13 15:54, Paula Graham wrote: I dunno, doesn't seem a huge burden to me - the driver's in a handy folder - it takes all of 20 secs to compile - prefer it to opening a brand new laptop with a perfectly good Realtek chip (and I'm clumsy with hardware). Will just tolerate mild inconvenience, upgrade when 13.04 comes out with kernel 3.8 and native driver - problem solved, feisty laptop with no MS tax for under £400 ;) Paula Well, then, Paula, may I request you write a Wireless Installation Wizard, of as general application as possible, ie providing guidance for everybody with a converted machine and no wireless, with all the commands listed verbatim, for those of us confused by the scrappy and conflicting instructions on how to do it that are scattered across Ubuntu Forums? For my part, I have downloaded a copy of The Linux Command Line by William E Shotts, which will gradually teach me how to do all this for myself. I stress: gradually OK sorry - it sounds grim but it's really easy to compile it once you've managed to find the wretched driver in the first place. Verbatim instructions plus chatty asides below cos it's Friday and I'm about to quit for the week wh! If your chip's the same as mine it's easy cos I know where the driver is, if not, you'll have to track it down (if I happen to read my email lists at the time I'll help). First you have to find out which wireless chip you have. Open a shell (ctl+alt+t) type: lspci at the prompt - it'll spit out a list of PCI devices among which the ID of your wifi chip should be found. It might not say 'wifi' but it's the networking chip that *isn't* ethernet. Google with the chip's model for the driver. On my Zoostorm, lspci lists the driver like this: 02:00.0 Network controller: Realtek Semiconductor Co., Ltd. Device 8723 So in my case I googled this string: realtek 8723 driver linux and found a bunch of people disagreeing confusingly in various forums - after reading and inwardly digesting I gleaned that there are currently two versions of the driver, one for kernel 3.2 and one for kernel 3.5. To find out which one you want, do this command to find out which kernel you have: uname -r To which my Ubuntu 12.04 replies: 3.2.0-37-generic (No, Alan, I'm not going to upgrade my kernel to a release candidate for 3.8 on my main production laptop lol - I'm going to wait for Ubuntu 13.04) So this means I need the kernel 3.2 driver Found this driver in a very helpful person's post at the bottom of the page here: http://askubuntu.com/questions/139632/wireless-card-realtek-rtl8723ae-bt-is-not-recognized - it's shared in someone's Dropbox but there's testimony from someone who'd already used the driver without having their laptop eaten by monsters so I downloaded it. I can confirm that no disaster occurred after installing it. If your chip is the same, type this command in your terminal to download it and unpack it (it's all one line, the email is wrapping it): wget -O- http://dl.dropbox.com/u/57056576/DRIVERS/REALTEK/rtl_92ce_92se_92de_8723ae_linux_mac80211_0006.0514.2012.tar.gz | tar -xz Once you've got your mitts on the driver the hard bit is done and you won't have to do it again as long as you still have kernel 3.2 (this probably won't change on Ubuntu 12.04 - the upgrades are incremental but the version stays the same). Now change directory to the driver's folder with th 'cd' command: cd /path/to/driver The real command will probably look something like this because the driver folder has a somewhat overly informative name: cd /home/myname/Downloads/rtl_92ce_92se_92de_8723ae_linux_mac80211_0006.0514.2012 Once you're in there, type these commands one by one, waiting till Ubuntu finishes chewing each command: sudo make sudo make install Then do this command to make Ubuntu load it (it'll load automatically on subsequent reboots): sudo modprobe rtl8723e And you're done. Ubuntu immediately starts scanning for the network. On subsequent recompiles, assuming you kept the driver folder, all you have to do is change to the folder and run just the 3 simple commands: make, make-install and modprobe rtl8723e - if you can't remember the module number (I can't!) the commands should still be loitering about in the BASH history - scroll up with the up key till you find them or just make a note of the command somewhere so you can just paste it in again ;) If stuck, this command: lsmod | grep wifi will give you the driver module's ID: rtl8723e It's mildly annoying but pretty quick. Any attempt to automate it IMHO will most likely result in a wasted afternoon smacking your forehead against the wall plus possible remedial cos you've made a mess. Or you can take Alan's advice and upgrade your kernel to 3.8 release candidate and see if the driver's really there, for the good of the community ;) So, less confusingly chatty recap: 1. find and download the driver 2. change to driver's folder
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Zoostorm laptop at ebuyer.com
On 19/01/13 10:21, Colin Law wrote: On 19 January 2013 10:16, Mark Fraser mfraz74+ubu...@gmail.com wrote: On Friday 18 Jan 2013 09:32:35 Simon Greenwood wrote: On 18 Jan 2013 07:59, Mark Fraser mfraz74+ubu...@gmail.com wrote: Found this zoostorm laptop on ebuyer's website http://www.ebuyer.com/411061- zoostorm-laptop-7873-9042 and was wondering if it would be suitable for installing Ubuntu on. Some of the comments mention lack of Debian drivers for wi-fi, but there are instructions on how to compile drivers although I don't fancy going through that every time the kernel changes. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ There are plenty of more well known names around that price that have better support for Ubuntu. The Lenovo G700 series immediately come to mind, mostly because I've got one. A Clemo laptop from pcspecialist.co.uk should have a similar spec for that price and they support Ubuntu as they are the same models that System76 sell. Thanks for reminding me about PCSPecialist I had visited their site before, but had forgotten that they can supply laptops without an OS. Can't seem to find the Clemo laptop you mentioned though. It is Clevo not Clemo, who manufacture the laptops that pcspecialist sell. I believe that all their laptops are Clevo but don't know that for certain. Certainly the Genesis IV that I bought recently is a Clevo. Did my earlier email not get through where I said that already? Colin I've got the i3 version of the Zoostorm laptop - 12.04 installed perfectly except wifi chip is a bit of a pain, needs to be hunted down, compiled and then recompiled every time the kernel upgrades - native driver should be in kernel 3.8. The current driver is a tad flaky, drops connection irritatingly. Having said that, the chip might vary even in the same Zoostorm model but I've got 3 different Zoostorm laptops/PCs and they all installed without fuss except for the occasional wifi hassle. Overall, adore the laptop, fabulous spec for the price, keyboard is comfy, touchpad a bit irritating but perfectly useable, screen crisp, and whilst it's certainly not an ultrabook it's not unweildy either. Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] FLOSS Talent — Women’s Career Taster
On 15/10/12 15:20, Alan Bell wrote: Hi all, There is an event coming up which might be of interest to a number of people on the list, 3 days at Bletchley Park focused on career options for women in the Free and Open Source industry: http://www.flossie.org/?page_id=596 The event is being run for the startlingly low price of £15 for three days and would be of interest to any women seeking a career in this fast growing sector. Anyone seeking to fill posts might want to contact the organisers to find out how best to proceed. Anyone of any gender looking for a job in the Surrey area might want to give me a shout off list :) Alan. Thanks Alan - didn't post to this list before as was afraid it would be off-topic. Women can book on Eventbrite, there's a link on the URL you gave or direct to Eventbrite here: http://www.eventbrite.co.uk/event/4474780188 - the workshops are really amazing, we've got women from IBM and prestigious creative technology companies, participants will be making a simple android app, getting to grips with BASH shell and GitHub and Drupal - there's a women's tour of the National Museum of Computing thrown in along with lunch etc and talks from successful open source career women. Full programme here: http://www.flossie.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/course_outline_and_plan_LIVE.pdf There seems to be a bit of a problem recruiting people with decent open source skills so we're trying to do something about that as well as supporting women to take the plunge and start coding. We're piloting a short taster course with women as Flossie - if it goes well, we'll talk to some of the Universities we already work with about developing a regular summer school - we'll run some for women-only (confidence building) as Flossie and some for mixed participants as Floss Talent (which has the OSC as a partner). Happy to give more info - email i...@flossie.org :) When we develop the longer summer school, it'd be good to include something about how to get started contributing to Ubuntu specifically so we can talk when the time comes? Fossbox has lost our free space, by the way, which kiboshes our Ubuntu sessions for the time being. We're looking at finding an alternative host for them though. We're also toying with the idea of adding a women's Ubuntu session - but not sure if there'd be enough interest to make it worthwhile - so hands up if you'd like one ;) Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] FLOSS Talent — Women’s Career Taster
Thanks Phill - really, we just need a reasonable-sized room with moveable tables, power outlets, and to be able to cable onto the internet - doing Ubuntu laptop installations without cable often results in having to send people home without wifi drivers installed which is not good for beginners. I've got portable projector and stuff so can bring anything else that's needed for sessions with a demo aspect. At the last space we had, we could make tea and coffee, chat, mill about etc so it could be very informal. We avoid pubs - no wifi and also we try to make everything women-friendly as well as man-friendly and milling about drinking tea in a low-key environment is less intimidating - probably for beginners of all sorts and sizes ;) Helps if convenient for transport and reasonably central too. Paula On 15/10/12 17:31, Phill Whiteside wrote: Hi Paula, if you let me know what you need for your Ubuntu sessions, I'll see if I can sort something out for you. Regards, Phill. On 15 October 2012 17:12, Paula Graham pmg...@gmx.co.uk mailto:pmg...@gmx.co.uk wrote: On 15/10/12 15:20, Alan Bell wrote: Hi all, There is an event coming up which might be of interest to a number of people on the list, 3 days at Bletchley Park focused on career options for women in the Free and Open Source industry: http://www.flossie.org/?page_id=596 The event is being run for the startlingly low price of £15 for three days and would be of interest to any women seeking a career in this fast growing sector. Anyone seeking to fill posts might want to contact the organisers to find out how best to proceed. Anyone of any gender looking for a job in the Surrey area might want to give me a shout off list :) Alan. Thanks Alan - didn't post to this list before as was afraid it would be off-topic. Women can book on Eventbrite, there's a link on the URL you gave or direct to Eventbrite here: http://www.eventbrite.co.uk/event/4474780188 - the workshops are really amazing, we've got women from IBM and prestigious creative technology companies, participants will be making a simple android app, getting to grips with BASH shell and GitHub and Drupal - there's a women's tour of the National Museum of Computing thrown in along with lunch etc and talks from successful open source career women. Full programme here: http://www.flossie.org/wp-content/uploads/2012/08/course_outline_and_plan_LIVE.pdf There seems to be a bit of a problem recruiting people with decent open source skills so we're trying to do something about that as well as supporting women to take the plunge and start coding. We're piloting a short taster course with women as Flossie - if it goes well, we'll talk to some of the Universities we already work with about developing a regular summer school - we'll run some for women-only (confidence building) as Flossie and some for mixed participants as Floss Talent (which has the OSC as a partner). Happy to give more info - email i...@flossie.org mailto:i...@flossie.org :) When we develop the longer summer school, it'd be good to include something about how to get started contributing to Ubuntu specifically so we can talk when the time comes? Fossbox has lost our free space, by the way, which kiboshes our Ubuntu sessions for the time being. We're looking at finding an alternative host for them though. We're also toying with the idea of adding a women's Ubuntu session - but not sure if there'd be enough interest to make it worthwhile - so hands up if you'd like one ;) Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- https://wiki.ubuntu.com/phillw -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Volunteer needed in East London
Fossbox is looking for a volunteer to help a women's health organisation in Hackney, East London, to upgrade an Ubuntu LTSP (or possibly simplify the system to a standalone PCs) - I'm snowed under this month and they need someone to go on-site for a day or two and sort it out. Needs some people skills as well as Ubuntu, but they're lovely and will give you lunch etc: http://www.fossbox.org.uk/?q=node/27 Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] FOSS Friday
It's FOSS Friday time again - *3 August, 12-7pm *near Aldgate East/Tower Hill/Tower Gateway/Wapping overground. Women-friendly,*free advice and help with Ubuntu *(www.ubuntu.com) and making use of Free and Open Source Software (FOSS) with Ubuntu, Windows or Mac. We can also give advice on FOSS web applications. More info, contacts, directions and booking here: http://is.gd/cHNgKA !! Linux-knowledgeable *volunteers welcome* !! Hope to see you there, Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Flossie 2012
Hi Rebecca, Sorry you can't make it - yes, all the talks will be video'd by the University's system and we'll post a link on the website afterwards. We'll also be tweeting and on IRC on the day @flossie #flossie and IRC Freenode #fossbox. I'm not sure if I'll make it to OggCamp, Liverpool is a bit of a distance so I'll wait until Flossie is over before I commit. I'll happily circulate info about it anyway. Paula On 15/05/12 21:16, Rebecca Newborough wrote: On Tue, May 15, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Paula Graham pmg...@gmx.co.uk mailto:pmg...@gmx.co.uk wrote: Flossie 2012, 25/26 May, is a conference Fossbox, G.Hack and Codasign are organising for women interested in open source, open culture - and all things open. Women involved with tech projects, arts, non-profits and VCOs equally welcome. View the programme here: http://www.flossie.org/?page_id=125 Still a few tickets left - book here: http://flossie2012.eventbrite.co.uk/ (tickets free, donations appreciated) We're looking for a couple more female volunteers who can commit to the whole two days or at least one whole day. Email i...@flossie.org mailto:i...@flossie.org if you can help woman the reception desk or help with tech support - or if you just want more info. Hope to see some of you there! Paula Hi Paula Good luck for the Flossie 2012 event. For those of us who aren't able to attend the event, will any of the talks be video'd and posted online to view? Hopefully I'll get to meet you and some other Flossie members/contributors at this year's OggCamp event. Cheers Becky Newborough -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Flossie 2012
Flossie 2012, 25/26 May, is a conference Fossbox, G.Hack and Codasign are organising for women interested in open source, open culture - and all things open. Women involved with tech projects, arts, non-profits and VCOs equally welcome. View the programme here: http://www.flossie.org/?page_id=125 Still a few tickets left - book here: http://flossie2012.eventbrite.co.uk/ (tickets free, donations appreciated) We're looking for a couple more female volunteers who can commit to the whole two days or at least one whole day. Email i...@flossie.org if you can help woman the reception desk or help with tech support - or if you just want more info. Hope to see some of you there! Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Flossie 2012 CfP deadline extended
Flossie 2012 is a free, two-day event for women who use or are otherwise interested in Free and Open Source Software (FLOSS) in Digital Arts or Open Data, Knowledge and Education. Details here: http://www.flossie.org/?page_id=175 Link to submission form here: http://www.flossie.org/openconf Register to attend here: http://flossie2012.eventbrite.co.uk/ *Friday 25 May and Saturday 26 May 2012* Queen Mary, University of London, Mile End Road, E1 4NS *Submissions DEADLINE NOW EXTENDED to 19 March 2012 * Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] 11.10 So far mixed fortunes
Its not down to your Tosh as such as my computer is a HP Pavilion desktop with 2GB ram. More likely to be a Unity 3D problem. I had crashes in 11.04 but they have become more frequent in 11.10. I assumed that the issues with the upgrade had caused a problem so did a full install. The machine crashed again two days later. Also Firefox was crashing to the desktop several times a day. I have now downgraded to Unity 2D and everything is stable. My non-techie test subject (the wife) has two things that she dislikes about Unity: 1. The small vertical scroll device is fiddly, especially when using a touch pad. 2. The launcher is too quick to jump out when you go to select things in the top left hand corner of an application, for example the 'Back Arrow' on Firefox. This, again, is a particular problem when using a touch pad as it is generally less accurate and over shoots are more likely. There needs to be a buffer zone between the left hand edge of a 'full screen' application window and the left hand edge of the display screen. Barry T -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ Lenovo (G-something or other) has similar problems - Firefox and Libre Office endlessly crashing, launcher in the way etc. Additionally, I've got some kind of compressed RAM partitions installed by Oneiric (I presume) which gparted can't see (so you can't just get rid of them prior to reinstallation) but which seem to prevent installation of any system capable of recognising them (which seems to be kernel 3.0 upwards but I'm only guessing) unless you wipe the entire HD. This is extremely annoying if you have your /home on a separate partition. The Ubuntu partitioner can see them but, apparently, not remove them. I had to obliterate home and allow the Ubuntu installer to use the whole disk. Otherwise the installer crashes - both Oneiric and Bodhi. No, I haven't filed a bug report because I don't feel like breaking my system in order to reproduce it and don't have time to get to the bottom of it . . . maybe over the xmas break I'll look into it. Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?
On 03/12/11 04:15, Liam Proven wrote: On 2 December 2011 11:30, Simon Greenwoodsfgreenw...@gmail.com wrote: For my 2p worth, I'm happy with Unity as I like the paradigm of the GUI, having returned to Linux after many years of OS X. I think it is easier if you have Mac experience. If all someone knows is Windows, they're lost. The only issues I see within Ubuntu are Compiz as a CPU hog Dunno what's hogging the CPU but Oneiric takes literally (I've timed it) up to 6 mins to boot on my 4 GB Lenovo and almost as long to shut down and is sluggish in use. For several more minutes after logging in, the CPU is going hell-for-leather. Not to mention the freezing and crashing in use. It's a bog standard intel chipset that's a few years old, I don't get it! On the same laptop, Bodhi, with 3.0 kernel, boots and shuts down in seconds without the crashing and freezing on FF and LO and CPU drops down as soon as login is complete. On my barebone ATI 64-bit PC I use for media (it serves files and therefore has a static IP), Oneiric clobbers the dns config on every reboot and the network runs with a top speed of 40-50 mbps when it's normally capable of at least 350 mbps. Networking is also very slow on the Lenovo. I don't like to whine, I think Ubuntu's a great project - but it's currently unuseable for me on any of my personal computers/laptops - the ones at Fossbox have Natty on production machines and Oneiric on the training laptops (where it installs OK and the dynamic networking is working, but still does crash a lot). The crashing is upsetting our non-techie users too and damping their enthusiasm for Ubuntu, which is a shame. I just hope that 12.04 prioritises stabilising the *@ thing and soft pedals on further innovation until Unity is stable on mainstream PCs and laptops. Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu - Wrong Direction?
On 02/12/11 10:59, Alan Pope wrote: On 01/12/11 23:52, thegeeksquad...@ymail.com wrote: Is Ubuntu going in the wrong direction? I personally don't believe so, no. I personally think it's going in exactly the _right_ direction, but some people seem obsessed by yesterday, today and tomorrow and not next year or next decade. We're still promoting Ubuntu with Unity as a desktop for general users as the integration is hard to beat. At the moment, it's not 'just working' but I hope it will 'just work' OOB again in 12.04 for general desktop users. I think Unity is excellent for general users - and they seem to love it, bugs and all! We're also still using Ubuntu on servers. Personally, I've switched to Bodhi on my desktop because Unity is (a) not working properly on any of my desktop computers and (b) it's not nearly configurable enough for me and I find it irritating. I'll also have to cancel my sub to Ubuntu One as I can't set it up it easily on other distros. I like the Englightenment desktop as it combines configurability, lightness and a reasonable degree of eye-candy. It also means I can have the same desktop on everything from my eePC to my Lenovo (rather than xfce on some and Unity on others). I don't think that MATE will be the future of computing - things are moving on and the question is probably more 'how' than 'whether'. On the downside, Bodhi needs quite a lot more tinkering but I think this will be reduced when Bodhi based on 12.04 comes out - mostly it results from running a mix of backported 10.04 apps with kernel 3.0 and new Mozilla releases packaged to run on Ubuntu 10.04 Bodhi. I'll have a look at 12.04 but think it's likely I'll stick with Bodhi and Dropbox now for my own personal use but will continue to promote Ubuntu for mainstream users. Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Happy Hour
On Sun, 2011-09-25 at 10:02 +0100, Simon Watson wrote: Sounds good - should be able to make this one! Simon Hope I can make it too :) Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Flossie network organisers meeting
We've scheduled a meeting for anyone interested in helping out with the Flossie network and the event on 20 Sept at 7pm in IRC: freenode.net #fossbox. I've put up a note on the blog: http://www.flossie.org/?p=158 and added a page with instructions about getting to the chat channel: http://www.flossie.org/?page_id=159 All women welcome :) Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] classic interface and ubntu
On 06/09/11 11:48, paul sutton wrote: Hi Is the classic interface using gnome 3? and is this going to remain an option, i currently run 11.04 with classic will i still have this option if i upgrade to 11.10? Paul Unity's not half as bad on 11.10 - even in alpha it worked better than it did on 11.04. At the current beta stage, the communication deck (under the envelope icon) is acting very, very weird but the rest of it is working pretty well. I'm not getting the dock jamming or completely disappearing, or the desktop freezing and requiring re-logging in etc etc. Also the previously godawful alt+tab cycling now works properly - unlike 11.04 where you couldn't see WTF was going on or tell the app icons apart. The 'put' key combos work properly too. Integration of Mozilla stuff still sux a bit but it doesn't seem to be crashing Unity as badly as it did on 11.04. Nice job! I'm still not crazy about the loss of widgets and it's crap lack of customisation options in general (bloody 'ell, you can't even create a custom launcher in 11.10 without editing a ruddy .desktop file manually - that really is inconvenient! OK non-techies don't want to run scripts but do you want to chase people who do away?) but at least it works overall. Also, it's now very *pretty* - which makes me feel a lot better about it and I can finally get proper transparency on the dock with compiz manager. I had to change my way of working on the desktop drastically but memory of the pain is now fading. Most of all, I did Fossbox' first workshop on 're-use with Ubuntu' with 11.04 a couple of months ago and all the non-techies really loved the Unity interface. I thought they'd never work it out as it seems ridiculously complicated to me but it turns out if you're not used to GNOME classic, it's actually easier to learn because it's like a smartphone with an app store. So s'pose that's the proof of the pudding. People aren't expecting to be able to customise their desktop experience so that's not bothering them either. My worst problem on Oneiric is that, at the moment, I can't sync anything - syncevolution not working properly (and logs not telling me anything I can use) and funambol seem to have given up on Linux/TBird (plugin for 6 seems to be 'in development' as a community sideline so not holding my breath for TBird 7 funambol plugin). Hoping the promised duplex integration with Ubuntu One contacts will be finished quick - but that still leaves my calendars limping along on ical. Seems a bit premature to make TBird default when it can't even sync with my memotoo account any more? Why on earth Mozilla didn't use opensync in the first place often puzzles me - ah, yes, Windows users . . . well, at least we'll get some sort of a choice now - but why sync to Ubuntu One? I use Ubuntu One for files, but not for syncing my PIM (cos it doesn't do it right and I've no idea how that would work on my maemo phone and I'm not faffing around on the cli when there's a perfectly good GUI syncml client for it). Why not either make Ubuntu One sync my contacts, cals and tasks *properly* like memotoo with GUI clients for main smartphone OSs or let me have the choice to use opensync with memotoo which already does the job fabulously. Opensync ain't broke so why fix it - when contacts first synced with Ubuntu One it broke syncevolution - you now get a choice about whether to install couchdb but if you've no choice about sync protocols, it's pointless. It's the one thing Evolution does perfectly - for everything else, Evolution is horrible. Nevertheless, I tried to switch to Evolution so I can have sync - but even syncevolution's not working with Evolution. What I want is TBird with PROPER opensync. Please? I wouldn't even mind paying UbuntuOne for this - given that I pay memotoo AND I pay UbuntuOne already for file sync - but it has to really work as this is a crucial aspect of my working life. The point of now-defunct scheduleworld and memotoo is that they sync anything to anything without fuss. That's how it should be . . . the setup with TBird default mail client syncing only to UbuntuOne is perilously close to lock-in - and lock-in to something that doesn't actually work as well. By all means compete with Memotoo/syncevolution, but at least offer something comparable? I also haven't yet tried setting up remote desktops - so here's hoping Unity 2D works with neatx (assuming neatx will ever be maintained) or x2go - will test this soon. NX goes to GNOME classic on 11.04, will it go to 2D on Oneiric? Is that supported by NX? There was some talk about getting x2go into Oneiric but I don't know if this happened - or if that will work with 2D? Anyway, if you're desperate for classic, apparently you can still install the package gnome-session-fallback on Oneiric but I think might as well either bite the Unity/Gnome 3 bullet and get it over with or change to XFCE really. The only reason
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Press releases .....
On 02/08/11 13:03, Laura Czajkowski wrote: On 02/08/11 12:16, Barry Drake wrote: Hi there A few days ago, Laura Czajkowski made the suggestion that Ubuntu Advertising and/or Ubuntu Marketing might look at preparing and sending press releases to appropriate media. Since then, I've been looking at what happens at present. All I can find are spasmodic releases from Canonical which sometimes reflect the state of play with the latest Ubuntu release. What I suggested doing was doing something other than waiting for stuff to be paid for, you can write on anything perhaps how Ubuntu is being used in other places, and get journalists to pick up on items. Perhaps leaving the release announcements to Canonical as that's their area. Laura I think it's an excellent idea - and I don't think would need to be restricted to the technical press, if Ubuntu is being used in social/charitable projects, that would be newsworthy. Can't think of anything right now but will bear it in mind. The other thing might be to try something like 38 Degrees did to get their campaign to have the BSkyB takeover investigated properly - they used social networking to raise enough donations for some half-page ads in the national press. I hesitate to suggest stuff I don't have the time to do myself, but since it's come up, I had been thinking about it. If anyone's a whizz with social networking, a sustained and planned campaign might go a long way on minimal budget? Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new
On 31/07/11 09:34, Gordon Burgess-Parker wrote: On 27/07/2011 12:40, Paula Graham wrote: It sounds like it's a simple problem with wifi on a BT hub H. I use BT with a BT hub and connecting via Ubuntu is the same as Windows - click on the connection and enter the password. Job done. I can't imagine what problems she is having As I previously said, from the little she's told me it sounds like a driver problem. Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new
On 29/07/11 09:51, Barry Drake wrote: On Fri, 2011-07-29 at 09:12 +0100, alan c wrote: and gave up. There may be a procedural way to help to avoid this, but the range of level of support from location of the 'any key' through to fluent terminal use is vast. I was very impressed by the support from Virgin broadband. I had upgraded my non-techie sister to Ubuntu and the ancient USB modem was unsupported. Virgin kindly agreed to sent a wi-fi router FOC. They sent a letter with it with setting up instructions, but we couldn't connect. The support person I spoke to was fantastic. He started giving very clear instructions in a totally non-technical and very slow way. As soon as he realised I was a bit more technical, he switched modes. I'll have to get on IRC and lurk and see if I can emulated this approach. Maybe I could write a procedure. Oh, the problem turned out to be that Virgin had written the wrong password in their letter: the correct one was the old one that we all knew. Should have had the sense to try it. And Virgin NEVER said 'we don't support Linux' Regards,Barry. Agreed Barry - that's the sort of thing we always try (and don't always succeed) - she hasn't turned up this morning when she was supposed to bring in her laptop - I suspect it's a driver problem on an older laptop. If/when she does turn up, I'll get more details of when she was in the channel and what was said. Should I be sending people to the ubuntu-beginners channel instead? Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new
No, sorry, no details - but I'll probably speak to her later so I'll ask her - and let her know that a process has kicked off and that people care :) Thanks, Paula On 27/07/11 12:56, Matthew Daubney wrote: Hi Paula, I don't suppose you know this persons irc nick? We can have a look in the logs and see where we went wrong. Thanks, Matt Daubney On Jul 27, 2011 12:41 PM, Paula Graham pmg...@gmx.co.uk mailto:pmg...@gmx.co.uk wrote: On 24/07/11 18:19, Alan Bell wrote: On 24/07/11 10:58, a.hun...@visuality-group.co.uk mailto:a.hun...@visuality-group.co.uk wrote: Hi! I'm new to all this, but been reading the discussions coming in through the emails. Is it just me, or is there some sort of petty argument going on? Am I reading it wrong? Love to all! Alex. Welcome Alex, there is indeed a long email conversation going on, I assume you are referring to the Re: [ubuntu-uk] Um, why am I blocked from #ubuntu-uk thread which actually isn't about anyone specific being blocked from the channel, it was accidentally set to only allow registered users for a few hours and is back to open access now. We generally try to keep this mailing list and the IRC channel polite and constructive at all times. This is community support, which means we all help each other, there is no dividing line between those helping and those needing help with an issue, and we all have access to the same information. Sometimes there is no immediate solution to a problem, which can cause frustration from time to time, but we do try to point people in the right direction to find a solution to their problem. Alan. Apropos - and sorry, don't want to whinge to people who're freely giving their time - but thought you'd want to know - I just got an email from one of the people we taught last week to come to the IRC channel for help because BT can't help her as they don't support Linux. This is what she said (and by forum, she means IRC): The chap on the Ubuntu forum who's responded to my plea for help has just given me technical jargon answers I simply don't understand and he's putting me off Ubuntu. This woman is by no means an idiot but she's left a larger organisation, where she had tech support, to start her own non-profit and now has to DIY - she was pretty enthusiastic about Ubuntu at the session we did and the welcome she got on IRC at the session was great - so she has gone ahead and installed her own laptop. But she's bringing the laptop back here for a Fossbox volunteer to look at. It sounds like it's a simple problem with wifi on a BT hub - but she has no prior understanding of networks so she needs simple step-by-step support. This isn't the first time someone boomerangs off Ubuntu-UK back to Fossbox wailing that they don't understand what's been said to them. I know it's often frustrating having to explain the most basic things to people and translate to plain English, but that's what it takes to get beyond the techie-sphere with Ubuntu . . . Again, don't want to carp about the fantastic work done here - I don't know if it's an issue to lose people this way but thought you'd want to know the feedback I get here. Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] I'm new
On 24/07/11 18:19, Alan Bell wrote: On 24/07/11 10:58, a.hun...@visuality-group.co.uk wrote: Hi! I'm new to all this, but been reading the discussions coming in through the emails. Is it just me, or is there some sort of petty argument going on? Am I reading it wrong? Love to all! Alex. Welcome Alex, there is indeed a long email conversation going on, I assume you are referring to the Re: [ubuntu-uk] Um, why am I blocked from #ubuntu-uk thread which actually isn't about anyone specific being blocked from the channel, it was accidentally set to only allow registered users for a few hours and is back to open access now. We generally try to keep this mailing list and the IRC channel polite and constructive at all times. This is community support, which means we all help each other, there is no dividing line between those helping and those needing help with an issue, and we all have access to the same information. Sometimes there is no immediate solution to a problem, which can cause frustration from time to time, but we do try to point people in the right direction to find a solution to their problem. Alan. Apropos - and sorry, don't want to whinge to people who're freely giving their time - but thought you'd want to know - I just got an email from one of the people we taught last week to come to the IRC channel for help because BT can't help her as they don't support Linux. This is what she said (and by forum, she means IRC): The chap on the Ubuntu forum who's responded to my plea for help has just given me technical jargon answers I simply don't understand and he's putting me off Ubuntu. This woman is by no means an idiot but she's left a larger organisation, where she had tech support, to start her own non-profit and now has to DIY - she was pretty enthusiastic about Ubuntu at the session we did and the welcome she got on IRC at the session was great - so she has gone ahead and installed her own laptop. But she's bringing the laptop back here for a Fossbox volunteer to look at. It sounds like it's a simple problem with wifi on a BT hub - but she has no prior understanding of networks so she needs simple step-by-step support. This isn't the first time someone boomerangs off Ubuntu-UK back to Fossbox wailing that they don't understand what's been said to them. I know it's often frustrating having to explain the most basic things to people and translate to plain English, but that's what it takes to get beyond the techie-sphere with Ubuntu . . . Again, don't want to carp about the fantastic work done here - I don't know if it's an issue to lose people this way but thought you'd want to know the feedback I get here. Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] LOOKING FOR JOB
On 15/07/11 20:26, Andy Smith wrote: How I have enough time, I'm looking for in a company that has enough computers to refurbish, and let me repair than. I wouldn't really have thought there is a massive business in repairing computers for businesses though. Perhaps for individuals? Cheers, Andy Yeah, that's a whole kettle of fish and really not economic - it was always hard to make it work but now that you're competing with huge WEEE recycling companies it's almost impossible to do on a small scale. Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] New network for women advocating, using or developing FLOSS
On 15/07/11 18:50, Rob Beard wrote: Sounds good, I'll pass this on to my local LUG list, there are a couple of girls on the list, as you say it's pretty male dominated and some guys can be a bit funny about it, personally I see the girls in my local LUG as fellow Linux geeks :-) Good luck with it. I guess it's okay for us guys to blog about it etc? Rob God yes - do publicise, many thanks :) The women-only thing is just about the actual discussion spaces/meetups etc. The research on women in IT shows that women benefit from having spaces where they can collaborate in ways that are tailored to how women tend to communicate - it shouldn't separate out women but actually to support us to contribute more confidently in the whole community and promote a more inclusive culture overall - thus making it easier for more women to become users and/or get involved in the wider FS movement. So support from the wider community is very welcome - thanks :) Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] New network for women advocating, using or developing FLOSS
We're in the throes of setting up 'Flossie' as a space for women who're involved in FLOSS in any way - especially advocacy. We're hoping this will help us to co-ordinate our advocacy activities a bit better and share what works. We'll be kicking off with an event in November in London so we can have a chance to meet and get to know each other a bit and anyone who wants to help out with that is very welcome. The (half-done) blog is here: http://www.flossie.org/ Sign up for the discussion list here: http://apollo.krystal.co.uk/mailman/listinfo/discuss_flossie.org I'm afraid it's women-only - not from any will to exclude just under half the human race but just cos we can't include one guy and not another - so, given that we're less than 3% of the FLOSS population, we'd most likely end up with another space where we're a tiny minority. It's just a confidence-building thing and not intended to be divisive :) All women welcome, technical genius not required. Have a great weekend, Paula -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
