Re: Logon loop after upgrade
Hi, maybe the keyboard layout used by the display manager's greeter doesn't fit the used keyboard. Perhaps the used greeter has got a panel that allows to change the keyboard layout at login and it might be that this can be changed by accident with the mouse wheel. Some GUI designs are tricky. Very often users of the Evolution mail client fear that they have lost all their read emails, but actually they just changed a filter with the mouse wheel by accident, so that only unread emails are shown. Back to the keyboard layout. I for example use a German keyboard. If an English keyboard layout is expected, some chars that are available by both keyboards are assigned to different keys, y vs z, - vs /, _ vs ? etc. If so, you can still log in, you just need to type different keys. Regards, Ralf -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Brother MFC L2700DW an MX-Linux libsane-extras
Hi, auf Deutsch, das Paket gibt es offen sichtlich nicht mehr, die lange Antwort in englischer Sprache: Hi, On Thu, 2023-08-31 at 20:14 +0200, Norbert Nowicki wrote: > sudo apt-get install -y libsane-extras ^^The computer god has been kind to you and that's why this package just doesn't exist. Next time APT::Get::Assume-Yes might damage your install Such a package doesn't exist. Maybe those "extras" are merged into the main branch, maybe there's another reason, consider to read changelogs. https://tracker.debian.org/pkg/sane-backends https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?keywords=sane=names=kinetic=all You probably want one of those packages: libsane-common libsane1 (a transitional package, actually for libsane) sane-utils Actually a package libsane-extra is also not available for Debian, so this and similar hints are not useful: https://askubuntu.com/questions/1414061/e-unable-to-locate-package-libsane-extras Btw. to get English output you can run LANG=C sudo apt-get install packagename LANG=C sudo apt install packagename With very few exceptions, Assume-Yes should be avoided. The best way I can imagine using this option is in a long shell script that tests for adversity beforehand. Using it interactively in the command line makes no sense, but poses a risk. Regards, Ralf -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Suggest enhancement to cp utility.
On Tue, 2023-06-27 at 15:31 -0400, Steven Friedrich wrote: > I want to know transfer statistics, i.e., max speed, min speed, avg > speed when I copy to/from a usb device to/from hdd/ssd. > Please enhance cp utility to provide this info. A cmdline switch could > request this report. Hi, the Internet provides a lot of alternative Linux commands in reply to similar request's as yours. While you can get the wanted statistics, those statistic gain you absolutely nothing, they will confuse you, since such statistics do suffer from the same issue as a diff does, to check the integrity of backups. Files might or might not be cached. Benchmark tests are disputed, but there are certainly very good scientifically based tests. If you would use rsync instead of copy, you could get the wanted, but quite useless kB/s information. How to do good benchmark tests has to do a lot with the skills of the person doing the tests. Apart from the cache I provide another example later. > While shopping for usb cables, I discovered MOST USB cables are only > capable of usb 2.0 speeds (480 Mbps). I don't experience the same. IOW it probably depends where you go shopping for USB cables. > I need more info from utilities and widgets. > Can a usb driver detect the capabilities (transfer speed) of a usb > device/cable? Checking the quality of a cable is tricky what ever tools/"meters" you are using. It's possible to get reported information from a device, but you cannot trust this information. The f3 tool for example can be used to check if the reported size is correct or a fraud. However, back to the speed and another example that make good benchmark tests that difficult. USB3 unlikely is a bottleneck, more likely it's a HDD behind the USB controller. Only buy HDDs if the dealer provides information, if the HDD is a SMR or CMR. Note, the vendors started selling HDDs from the same series that once were CMR, since a long time ago as SMR. When using SMR the speed varies a lot. Testing SSD speed is also a topic on its own. What are you doing that SSD speed is that important to you? If SSDs should be a bottleneck, then maybe you need to change your workflow or your setup (file system, options, tmpfs etc.). > The industry is getting away with obfuscation. Yes and no, this is a topic on its own. Sometimes it's also related to consumers who don't want to learn the truth. If you buy the most expensive camera, but the cheapest lenses, the photos are much likely less good than those made with the cheapest camera, but the most expensive lenses. John and Jane consumer usually buy every now and than a new camera in a bundle with kit lenses, instead to keeping the old camera and buying decent lenses for the old camera. Regards, Ralf -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: ekiga not found
Hi, do you have a question? Obviously this software hasn't been updated for 10 years, which could possibly be the reason why it isn't made available through any repository. Regards, Ralf -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Icons on desktop
On Fri, 2023-03-03 at 10:18 -0800, Coburn Ingram wrote:
> I found it, but I'm not telling you where, because I'm afraid that
> you'll delete it, too.
Hi,
my first guess is dconf.
$ gsettings list-recursively | grep gnome | grep icons
org.gnome.desktop.background show-desktop-icons false
[snip]
The dconf secret seems to be the first hit of my first dconf check.
If so, it took me just less than 10 seconds to run
$ gsettings --help
$ gsettings list-recursively | grep gnome | grep icons
However, while some GTK4 apps still might be tolerable, probably all
apps will become unusable for serious usage after the migration to
GTK{5,6,7,n}.
I'm not a GNOME user at all, but I'm using openbox and a lot of GTK
apps. I already dropped countless GTK apps, because GTK developers run
berserk. In my opinion, the move away from the mailing lists to GNOME
Discourse, a forum suffering from gamification, is a clear statement.
The developers train the users to be stupid little circus monkeys.
Regards,
Ralf
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Re: [si] Modify pre-installed keyboard layouts for specific language
off topic Unfortunately, very aesthetic native lettering invite problems in the context of modern technology. Reminds me of the Turkish alphabet revolution anticipating future benefits https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ottoman_Turkish_alphabet. IMOH aesthetic native scripts or phonetic mixed forms of native scripts is suitable for art, not for modern technology and international networking, regardless of a rating, i.e. whether the decisions were right or wrong, they were made long ago. In my opinion, it makes more sense to introduce and get used to a Latin alphabet with additional characters than to stick with fonts based on old handwriting. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Tomcat9 - Ubuntu 20.04 x64
On Mon, 2022-11-14 at 16:00 +, Brad Turnbough wrote: > Can someone look into getting this package updated in order to resolve > this vulnerability? Hi, why should a release model distro, especially a long term support release model distro, update to another software version? This doesn't make much sense. Maybe a security fix was already backported, maybe not. What vulnerabilities were mentioned by your snake oil scan? Without having it installed on my machine, just doing a 1 minute Internet research "Denial of Service" was found several times for Ubuntu related to Tomcat. Maybe it's a vulnerability that is already fixed? "[...]* SECURITY UPDATE: TLS Denial of Service diff -Nru tomcat9-9.0.31/debian/logrotate.template tomcat9- 9.0.31/debian/logrotate.template [...]" - http://launchpadlibrarian.net/618600500/tomcat9_9.0.31-1ubuntu0.2_9.0.31-1ubuntu0.3.diff.gz "[...] leading to a denial of service [...]" https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/tomcat9/+bug/148 https://ubuntu.com/security/notices/USN-4596-1 The changelog is installed on your machine, you can simply grep the changelog for "Denial" and related terms, you even don't need to do the research by the Internet. Regards, Ralf -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Package Update for Ubuntu
On Tue, 2022-08-30 at 22:45 +0200, Maxime Pietrucci-Blacher wrote: > Good evening, I have come to contact you to find out if the nginx- > common and nginx-core packages are going to be updated soon, as there > are many problems with the use of TLS on these two packages as they > are no longer up to date. > Also, I would like to know if there is a way to fix this independently > or if it is necessary to wait (an update of the package which seems > urgent to me, considering the recent CVE). > Thank you for your help, > Maxime Pietrucci-Blacher > I'm neither an Ubuntu developer nor a nginx user, but I wonder: - Which Ubuntu release are you using? - What are those TLS issues? - Is any CVE fix missing? http://nginx.org/en/security_advisories.html https://ubuntu.com/security/cves?package=nginx Ubuntu is a release model distro, important isn't the upstream version. important are the security fixes of the version used by the Ubuntu release. https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/nginx http://archive.ubuntu.com/ubuntu/pool/main/n/nginx/nginx_1.14.0-0ubuntu1.10.debian.tar.xz From the changelog: "nginx (1.14.0-0ubuntu1.10) bionic-security; urgency=medium * SECURITY UPDATE: ALPACA TLS issue - debian/patches/CVE-2021-3618.patch: specify the number of errors after which the connection is closed in src/mail/ngx_mail.h, src/mail/ngx_mail_core_module.c and src/mail/ngx_mail_handler.c. - CVE-2021-3618 * SECURITY UPDATE: request mutation by unsafe characters - Add input validation to requests in Lua module in debian/modules/http-lua/src/ngx_http_lua_control.c, debian/modules/http-lua/src/ngx_http_lua_headers_in.c, debian/modules/http-lua/src/ngx_http_lua_headers_out.c, debian/modules/http-lua/src/ngx_http_lua_uri.c, debian/modules/http-lua/src/ngx_http_lua_util.h and debian/modules/http-lua/src/ngx_http_lua_util.h. - CVE-2020-36309 * SECURITY UPDATE: request smuggling in ngx.location.capture - Add manual crafting of Content-Length in case request is chunked in debian/modules/http-lua/src/ngx_http_lua_subrequest.c. - CVE-2020-11724 -- David Fernandez Gonzalez Tue, 12 Apr 2022 11:00:15 +0200 nginx (1.14.0-0ubuntu1.9) bionic-security; urgency=medium * SECURITY UPDATE: DNS Resolver issues - debian/patches/CVE-2021-23017-1.patch: fixed off-by-one write in src/core/ngx_resolver.c. - debian/patches/CVE-2021-23017-2.patch: fixed off-by-one read in src/core/ngx_resolver.c. - CVE-2021-23017 -- Marc Deslauriers Tue, 25 May 2021 13:11:02 -0400 [snip]" Regards, Ralf -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu-drivers-common
On Thu, 19 May 2022 23:25:19 -0400, Isaac Encina wrote: >Hello I was wondering if you guys knew where it would be possible to >download a specific Ubuntu-drivers-common package? Hi, starting points are probably https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/ubuntu-drivers-common https://packages.ubuntu.com/ Are you familiar with the concept of dependency packages? Regards, Ralf -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Missiing bacula-fd for 9.6.7-3 Ubuntu 2204
On Tue, 3 May 2022 10:48:21 -0400, Ken Mandelberg wrote: >All the other packages for bacula (director, sd) are available but not >bacula-fd. bacula cannot run without it. Hi, what Ubuntu release are you using? Did you run "sudo apt update" before trying to install it? Oops, while writing I notice "Ubuntu 2204" in the subject, so forget my previous questions. It seems to be not provided for future releases yet. At the moment the official repositories only provide bacula-doc for those future releases: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases https://discourse.ubuntu.com/t/jammy-jellyfish-release-schedule/23906 https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/jammy https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=jammy=any=names=bacula https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=kinetic=any=names=bacula I don't know if other bacula related packages were available and are temporarily removed for future releases. It's seemingly available for all Ubuntu releases that get standard support and that are already released: https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=bionic=any=names=bacula-fd https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=focal=any=names=bacula-fd https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?suite=impish=any=names=bacula-fd And even for the end of life 16.04 the package is seemingly available: "Extended Security Maintenance for Ubuntu 16.04 LTS is available from April 2021 until 2026." - https://ubuntu.com/security/esm [weremouse@moonstudio ~]$ lsb_release -a LSB Version: core-9.20160110ubuntu0.2-amd64:core-9.20160110ubuntu0.2-noarch:security-9.20160110ubuntu0.2-amd64:security-9.20160110ubuntu0.2-noarch Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description:Ubuntu 16.04.7 LTS Release:16.04 Codename: xenial [weremouse@moonstudio ~]$ sudo apt install bacula Reading package lists... Done Building dependency tree Reading state information... Done The following additional packages will be installed: bacula-client bacula-common bacula-common-sqlite3 bacula-console bacula-director-common bacula-director-sqlite3 bacula-fd bacula-sd bacula-sd-sqlite3 bacula-server dbconfig-common mt-st mtx sqlite3 Suggested packages: bacula-doc dds2tar scsitools sg3-utils dbconfig-mysql | dbconfig-pgsql | dbconfig-sqlite | dbconfig-sqlite3 | dbconfig-no-thanks sqlite3-doc The following NEW packages will be installed: bacula bacula-client bacula-common bacula-common-sqlite3 bacula-console bacula-director-common bacula-director-sqlite3 bacula-fd bacula-sd bacula-sd-sqlite3 bacula-server dbconfig-common mt-st mtx sqlite3 0 upgraded, 15 newly installed, 0 to remove and 0 not upgraded. Need to get 2,635 kB of archives. After this operation, 8,682 kB of additional disk space will be used. Do you want to continue? [Y/n] n Abort. Regards, Ralf -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.
On Mon, 21 Mar 2022 08:24:33 +0530, Amit wrote: >There is no menu in the default Ubuntu desktop GUI. Hi, I suspect that still several Ubuntu flavours have got an application menu by default, much likely even for the latest release. At least Xubuntu 20.04 has got an application menu by default, this is what I'm using on an USB stick [1]. On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 22:36:27 -0400, Jeffrey Walton wrote: >I've found I can't set the font to a larger size without hassles and >troubles. This is an issue for all operating systems. An experienced user can manage this to some extend. Probably by replacing grub with another bootloader and doing similar things. However, the issue that some apps don't provide enough space for really large fonts still remains and due to the diversity of Linux, it's not always easy to set system wide fonts for all apps, at least not for a newbie. Some apps allow to set the fonts by their GUI, but if you can't read the preferences in the first place, you can't change the font size. A screen reader might help, but has got it pitfalls, too. Regards, Ralf [1] [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ /bin/ls -hAltr /mnt/v1.ventoy/ total 7.9G -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1.6G Jul 31 2020 xubuntu-20.04.1-desktop-amd64.iso drwxr-xr-x 2 root root 4.0K Jan 6 2021 ventoy -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 6.3G Jan 7 2021 xubuntu-20.04.1-desktop-pers1.dat -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.
On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 23:44:03 +0530, Amit wrote: >I have used both windows and linux gui systems a lot. So you should be able to describe what from your point of few are the pitfalls of a Linux desktop environment and the pros of Windows. As already pointed out, I suspect Jane the elementary school girl and Jane the grandma are used to small touchscreen optimised operating systems and are neither comfortable with a Windows, nor with a Linux desktop environment anymore, unless it imitates touch screen behaviour and smartphone screen size. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.
On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 19:06:39 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >no WM at all Oops, I at least should correct this typo. It should read "no DE (desktop environment) at all". Of course, openbox is a WM (window manager). However, most new users nowadays are likely in favour of a desktop environment that degrades the desktop PC to an unportable smartphone. E.g. banks optimise online-banking websites to smartphones and not to desktop PC monitors. -- “Awards are merely the badges of mediocrity.” ― Charles Ives -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.
On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 19:06:39 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >I'm a child of the 80th, born in 1966, so I never migrated from Windows >to Linux. I do not come from Windows, as well as a lot of Linux users >of my age or who are way older than I am. > >My first machine with something Microsoft alike was an Atari ST with a >80286 hardware emulator, IOW a PCB containing a real 80286 CPU was >soldered. Even this time I didn't use MS-DOS, but DR-DOS, because >Microsoft failed to be reliable from the very beginning. > >Actually I'm not using Ubuntu from an Ubuntu desktop image. I >usually start without a GUI, by e.g. an Ubuntu server install with >disabling the install of several packages or I'm using a DVD or a >Ventoy USB stick with a persistent live Ubuntu flavour such as Ubuntu >Mate, Xubuntu etc., or NomadBSD. My daily used Linux on my desktop >machine is Arch Linux with openbox and no WM at all. I can also boot >into a customised *bunt with openbox (or jwm) and no WM at all. > >I'm running QEMU/KVM and VirtualBox for other operating systems, >including Windows XP, 7 and 10, let alone that I help my neighbourhood >with Windows issues. > >For photos, drawing, drawn and stop motion animation videos, as well >as music productions I'm in favour of Apple. > >I have not the slightest idea what is easier when using the Windows >GUI, than when using BSD, Linux (with openbox and command line, I >usually do most things using command line, instead of e.g. a file >browser and such helpers). I guess people get used to something and are >unwilling tom learn something different, even if it should be easier to >use, they fell it's harder to use, because they are used to something >odd in the first place. > >Btw. half-truth are "bogus" and nothing else. My apologies for typos, you probably are able to understand it anyway. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.
I'm a child of the 80th, born in 1966, so I never migrated from Windows to Linux. I do not come from Windows, as well as a lot of Linux users of my age or who are way older than I am. My first machine with something Microsoft alike was an Atari ST with a 80286 hardware emulator, IOW a PCB containing a real 80286 CPU was soldered. Even this time I didn't use MS-DOS, but DR-DOS, because Microsoft failed to be reliable from the very beginning. Actually I'm not using Ubuntu from an Ubuntu desktop image. I usually start without a GUI, by e.g. an Ubuntu server install with disabling the install of several packages or I'm using a DVD or a Ventoy USB stick with a persistent live Ubuntu flavour such as Ubuntu Mate, Xubuntu etc., or NomadBSD. My daily used Linux on my desktop machine is Arch Linux with openbox and no WM at all. I can also boot into a customised *bunt with openbox (or jwm) and no WM at all. I'm running QEMU/KVM and VirtualBox for other operating systems, including Windows XP, 7 and 10, let alone that I help my neighbourhood with Windows issues. For photos, drawing, drawn and stop motion animation videos, as well as music productions I'm in favour of Apple. I have not the slightest idea what is easier when using the Windows GUI, than when using BSD, Linux (with openbox and command line, I usually do most things using command line, instead of e.g. a file browser and such helpers). I guess people get used to something and are unwilling tom learn something different, even if it should be easier to use, they fell it's harder to use, because they are used to something odd in the first place. Btw. half-truth are "bogus" and nothing else. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.
On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 22:38:56 +0530, Amit wrote: >On Sun, Mar 20, 2022, 10:27 PM Ralf Mardorf > wrote: > >> >> Windows is easier available, since it's installed by default on >> almost all discounter desktop computers (and laptops...). "Available >> by default" isn't the same as easier to use. >> > >So, the question is why is Windows available easily and by default? >Why not Ubuntu/Linux? > >No one is stopping anyone from selling a Ubuntu/Linux laptop. So, why >Ubuntu/Linux is not installed by default? > >Amit For hysterical raisins and mainly related to marketing. If something is available for free as in beer and a lot of this is made by unpaid volunteers and no radical marketing is taking place, then it can't competed with something such as Windows which is based on theft and plain exploitative market economy, as well as malicious lobbying. Either reply to the list, or at least mark your email as "off-list". But please refrain from off-list replies related to Windows vs Linux. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.
I'm not interested in reading another market share link. I'm quite sure that most computer devices used via a GUI are smartphones and I doubt that Windows is the most used OS on smartphones. However, given that most desktop computers likely are equipped with Windows only, the market share still isn't bound to user-friendliness. Windows is easier available, since it's installed by default on almost all discounter desktop computers (and laptops...). "Available by default" isn't the same as easier to use. Windows has got better proprietary support for additional hardware, as well as some professional software, but this is true for Apple operating systems, too. _But_ Windows is the operating system that fails the most and comes with the most worse support related to the countless issue and has got the most security gaps. Without a computer geek in the neighborhood Jane Doe is way more lost, than when using a user-friendly Linux distro + willing to go through a small learning curve. Yes, a *BSD and user-centric Linux distro is not made for Jane and even user-friendly Linux distros aren't idiot proof. Not completely, but close to idiot proof is Apple, but you need to pay for this by much money and accepting radical restrictions. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Increasing user base of Ubuntu desktop.
On Sun, 20 Mar 2022 21:08:01 +0530, Amit wrote:
>Microsoft Windows is there on about 90% of all (computer) systems
>mainly because it is very easy to use.
Hi,
that's complete bogus for several reasons.
>Windows is not a great OS but it is so easy to use that first timers
>and older people also use it without much issues.
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>But, it is for certain that if we want to increase the user base of
>Ubuntu desktop then we have to make it (GUI, etc.) easy to use just
>like Windows or even easier than Windows.
Who {,the .?*@} is we? And when became the non-existent
user-friendliness off Windows an idol?
Actually the neighbourhood ask all the *BSD and Linux geeks for help,
when the Windows support they have payed for fails to solve the
uncountable issues they experience.
Please, folks, if you want something idiot prove to use, pay much money
for Apple hardware and software! If you are willing to read the fine
and easy to understand manual and you don't need professional grade
{,nice} software, but you also don not want to become a power user/geek,
then use a Linux distro such as an Ubuntu flavour.
Regards,
Ralf
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PS: change "/tmp" deletion from the time of boot to the time of shutting down to prevent data loss
On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 23:19:09 +0300, Nicholas Guriev wrote: >You can pass `init=/bin/bash` as kernel boot parameter through GRUB and >then copy the temporary files to a safe place. I can't comment on GRUB. While my machine has got more than one Ubuntu install, too, I'm in favour of syslinux. However, _if_ the wanted files are still in place, access by any live Linux (Ubuntu DVD, whatsoever Linux distro USB stick ...) can be used, too. IMO the better approach is to not use /tmp/ for important log data _or_ at least to disable deletion of /tmp/ items by appropriate measures. Well, I doubt that disabling or masking services that clean tmp/ from time to time is an appropriate measure. It will keep log data in tmp/, but garbage will be collected, too. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: change "/tmp" deletion from the time of boot to the time of shutting down to prevent data loss
On Mon, 26 Jul 2021 23:19:09 +0300, Nicholas Guriev wrote: >However in general, /tmp is not intended to have important data which >is worth regretting. Let alone that tmp could be mounted as tmpfs, see https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tmpfs . However, even if it's not a tmpfs, a systemd unit might clean /tmp, for Ubuntu see https://askubuntu.com/questions/20783/how-is-the-tmp-directory-cleaned-up . Disabling or masking related systemd units should work. An example from my Arch Linux install. It's not mounted by fstab, but by a systemd unit. [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ df -h | grep tmpfs tmpfs 3.9G 31M 3.9G 1% /dev/shm tmpfs 3.9G 1.9M 3.9G 1% /tmp tmpfs 786M 104K 785M 1% /run/user/1000 [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ cat /etc/fstab | grep tmp #tmpfs /tmptmpfs nodev,nosuid,size=3G 0 0 [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ systemctl status tmp.mount ● tmp.mount - Temporary Directory /tmp Loaded: loaded (/proc/self/mountinfo; static) Active: active (mounted) since Sat 2021-07-03 21:09:58 CEST; 3 weeks 2 days ago Where: /tmp What: tmpfs Docs: https://systemd.io/TEMPORARY_DIRECTORIES man:file-hierarchy(7) https://www.freedesktop.org/wiki/Software/systemd/APIFileSystems Tasks: 0 (limit: 9398) Memory: 32.0K CPU: 1ms CGroup: /system.slice/tmp.mount Jul 03 21:09:58 archlinux systemd[1]: Mounting Temporary Directory (/tmp)... Jul 03 21:09:58 archlinux systemd[1]: Mounted Temporary Directory (/tmp). [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ systemctl status systemd-tmpfiles-clean ○ systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service - Cleanup of Temporary Directories Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service; static) Active: inactive (dead) since Mon 2021-07-26 21:35:55 CEST; 1h 47min ago TriggeredBy: ● systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer Docs: man:tmpfiles.d(5) man:systemd-tmpfiles(8) Process: 1018193 ExecStart=systemd-tmpfiles --clean (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) Main PID: 1018193 (code=exited, status=0/SUCCESS) CPU: 65ms Jul 26 21:35:55 archlinux systemd[1]: Starting Cleanup of Temporary Directories... Jul 26 21:35:55 archlinux systemd[1]: systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service: Deactivated successfully. Jul 26 21:35:55 archlinux systemd[1]: Finished Cleanup of Temporary Directories. [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ systemctl status systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer ● systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer - Daily Cleanup of Temporary Directories Loaded: loaded (/usr/lib/systemd/system/systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer; static) Active: active (waiting) since Sat 2021-07-03 21:09:58 CEST; 3 weeks 2 days ago Trigger: Tue 2021-07-27 21:35:55 CEST; 22h left Triggers: ● systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service Docs: man:tmpfiles.d(5) man:systemd-tmpfiles(8) Jul 03 21:09:58 archlinux systemd[1]: Started Daily Cleanup of Temporary Directories. [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ man systemctl | grep " mask UNIT" -A4 mask UNIT... Mask one or more units, as specified on the command line. This will link these unit files to /dev/null, making it impossible to start them. This is a stronger version of disable, since it prohibits all kinds of activation of the unit, including enablement and manual activation. Use this option with care. This honors the --runtime option to only mask temporarily until the next reboot of the system. The --now option may be used to ensure that the units are also stopped. This command expects valid unit names only, it does not accept unit file paths -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: firebird3.0 install on Ubuntu 16.04.7 LTS (Xenial Xerus)
On Fri, 23 Apr 2021 17:27:30 -0400, Thomas Ward wrote: >Be aware though: 16.04.7 goes past End of Standard Support this month >- you should consider upgrading 16.04 to 18.04 before the end of >standard support happens. Doesn't do-release-upgrade after April work anymore? I suspect that it at least does work until April 2023, when Ubuntu 18.04 standard support ends. If a release upgrade isn't needed, 16.04 should be (more or less) good until April 2024. Am I mistaken? "Is Ubuntu 16.04 LTS still supported beyond April 2021? Ubuntu 16.04 LTS will still be supported beyond its free initial five-year maintenance period in April 2021, as it transitions to the extended security maintenance phase - with three additional years of security ensured. Learn more about Ubuntu 16.04 LTS moving to ESM › Free for personal use Canonical provides Ubuntu Advantage Essential subscriptions, which include ESM, free of charge for individuals on up to 3 machines. For our community of Ubuntu members we will gladly increase that to 50 machines. Your personal subscription will also cover Livepatch. Get ESM now" - https://ubuntu.com/security/esm -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: [NEWS]: "Katarina Rostova"
Hi, this is a misuse of protonmail, as well as of the Ubuntu mailing lists. Please remove the accounts from this individual, who acts under a faked name. https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2021-April/303874.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2021-April/019001.html On Wed, 07 Apr 2021 16:29:50 +, Katarina Rostova wrote: >https://gnu.support/richard-stallman/Ludovic-Court%C3%A8s-Guix-is-accusing-Stallman-of-Thoughtcrime-on-his-own-domain-GNU-org.html In my country we have got strict laws against the spreading of this kind of "news", in such a way. Regards, Ralf -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Power problem with Radeon 7750 card and Nouveau driver
On Tue, 9 Feb 2021 16:51:51 -0500, Jeffrey Walton wrote: >Does anyone have suggestions how to troubleshoot this further? Hi, it's probably not a driver related issue. At least you don't care for the correct driver. The Radeon driver is pre-installed and used for your Radeon graphics. The nouveau driver can't handle your AMD (the graphics brand formerly known as ATI) at all, since it's a driver for NVIDIA graphics. A workaround probably could be to migrate from "turn monitor off after 15 minute" to "never" do so. However, in my experiences with Ubuntu flavours that suffer from this screen blanking issue, the screen comes back, if you push Ctrl + Alt + F1 (or F2, F3 ... F6) and right after that Ctrl + Alt + F7. "nouveau (/nuːˈvoʊ/) is a free and open-source graphics device driver for Nvidia video cards" [1] "Radeon (/ˈreɪdiɒn/) is a brand of computer products, including graphics processing units [...] by Radeon Technologies Group, a division of Advanced Micro Devices (AMD)." [2] "This guide shows you how to use the open source Radeon driver for some ATI/AMD graphics cards and APUs, which is part of the xserver-xorg-video-ati package. This driver provides 2D and 3D acceleration in your video hardware. For the most recent releases of Ubuntu (and its flavours) this driver is usually as fast as the closed-source, proprietary fglrx driver (called AMD Catalyst) from AMD Inc. Furthermore the Radeon driver supports some older chipsets that fglrx does not. The Radeon driver is already pre-installed in Ubuntu." [3] Regards, Ralf [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nouveau_(software) [2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radeon [3] https://help.ubuntu.com/community/RadeonDriver -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Feature request: Better start up time of Ubuntu like on version 16.04
On Thu, 2020-11-12 at 08:19 +0100, Damian wrote: > > some versions ago (16.04) a cold start to me 16 seconds. > > With all later versions even with SSD harddrives it takes over a > > minutes. > > Which time frame do you measure that takes a minute? I measure 15 > seconds from hitting enter in grub and seeing my desktop wallpaper. $ systemd-analyze blame might be a starting point. OTOH it provides some quite useless information. I fore example get... $ systemd-analyze blame 2min 30.756s fstrim.service 19.498s man-db.service 14.584s alice-dhcp.service 3.478s lvm2-monitor.service 3.292s dev-sdc1.device 1.060s systemd-random-seed.service 718ms upower.service 654ms systemd-logind.service 650ms lightdm.service [snip] ...actually it much like took less than 10 seconds to boot and start an openbox session and even if I should be mistaken and it took longer, without doubts it was less than 1 minute. However, even if some units take longer, a session can start, but some units probably need to finish a process before a session can start. Trimming and establishing an Internet connection by DHCP needs not to be finished to start a session, but other services probably first need to initial things, before a session can be started. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: install nwipe
On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 15:30:24 +0700, D.Bosch wrote: >Pls give me instructions how to install and run nwipe. > >what are the terminal programs. Hi, installing the package: sudo apt update sudo apt install nwipe https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/nwipe "/usr/sbin/nwipe" - https://packages.ubuntu.com/focal/amd64/nwipe/filelist The manual page: http://manpages.ubuntu.com/manpages/focal/man1/nwipe.1.html It's just one program named nwipe. A hint: "To summarize, securely overwriting hard disk drives involves: One overwriting pass for most HDD erasure. Remember to weigh data sensitivity against the costs of higher level of security and the time you want to spend on each processed asset. More passes take longer and are usually unnecessary." - https://www.blancco.com/blog-many-overwriting-rounds-required-erase-hard-disk/ The proper mailing list for your kind of request: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users Regards, Ralf -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Hot to Upgrade from Linux-Ubuntu 18.04 LTS to 20.04 LTS
On Sat, 11 Jul 2020 10:26:45 -0400, Santosh K. Saha wrote: >*How can I upgrade from Linux-Ubuntu 18.04 LTS to 20.04 LTS* ? Hi, your request belongs to https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-users . If you should have questions related to the following howto, please use the above mentioned mailing list. https://ubuntu.com/blog/how-to-upgrade-from-ubuntu-18-04-lts-to-20-04-lts-today Regards, Ralf -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Jolly Jumper as of Lucky Luke
On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 22:08:46 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 21:25:57 +0200, André Pirard wrote: >>Jolly Jumper. It would make a delicious Ubuntu mascot. > >I suspect you are thinking of an Ubuntu codename (release name) and a >mascot for this Ubuntu release. This most likely would cause a legal >issue. ^ ^ this should read "legal problem" -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Jolly Jumper as of Lucky Luke
On Mon, 27 Apr 2020 21:25:57 +0200, André Pirard wrote: >Jolly Jumper. It would make a delicious Ubuntu mascot. I suspect you are thinking of an Ubuntu codename (release name) and a mascot for this Ubuntu release. This most likely would cause a legal issue. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Cydia/APT(M): x11proto-xext-dev (7.3.0-1)
On Thu, 2020-01-02 at 20:25 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 19:00:55 +, Daniel Llewellyn wrote: > > On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 at 06:41, David Carissimi wrote: > > > I have been installing all debs for Ubuntu on my iPhone with > > > terminal and it seems to magically work. Didn’t know if you had > > > anything else that could modify deep in the system over regular jb > > > tools. I use most debs on a regular iPhone and some on many apple > > > internal devices. I’ve just been bored trying to do random things. > > > Sorry for the confusion. > > Happy New Year! > > This is even more confusing. As a Linux desktop PC and iPadOS user, I'm > only aware of remote Linux apps, such as > https://www.onworks.net/applications/ios-apps/ubuntuow-connection-vnc > and > https://apps.apple.com/us/app/xgimp-image-editor-paint-tool/id1071231711#?platform=ipad > . Those are a PITA. > > What is "terminal"? The only iStore hits related to > "terminal" I get, are SSH clients. IOW also a kind of remote. > > Appart from acting stupid on purpose, "Cydia involves jailbreaking"! Do > you really expect to get replies on an Ubuntu mailing list, related to > Apple jailbreaks? > > Regards, > Ralf PS: Don't blame me for the improper quoting, I did not mess up the quotes in the first place. I've done a proper automated reply to the mailing list, but just didn't fix the mess that wasn't caused by me. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Cydia/APT(M): x11proto-xext-dev (7.3.0-1)
On Thu, 2 Jan 2020 19:00:55 +, Daniel Llewellyn wrote: >On Wed, 1 Jan 2020 at 06:41, David Carissimi wrote: >> I have been installing all debs for Ubuntu on my iPhone with >> terminal and it seems to magically work. Didn’t know if you had >> anything else that could modify deep in the system over regular jb >> tools. I use most debs on a regular iPhone and some on many apple >> internal devices. I’ve just been bored trying to do random things. >> Sorry for the confusion. Happy New Year! This is even more confusing. As a Linux desktop PC and iPadOS user, I'm only aware of remote Linux apps, such as https://www.onworks.net/applications/ios-apps/ubuntuow-connection-vnc and https://apps.apple.com/us/app/xgimp-image-editor-paint-tool/id1071231711#?platform=ipad . Those are a PITA. What is "terminal"? The only iStore hits related to "terminal" I get, are SSH clients. IOW also a kind of remote. Appart from acting stupid on purpose, "Cydia involves jailbreaking"! Do you really expect to get replies on an Ubuntu mailing list, related to Apple jailbreaks? Regards, Ralf -- “Awards are merely the badges of mediocrity.” ― Charles Ives -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: The alternative implementation of Ubuntu user statistics
On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 21:56:54 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >/proc/cmdline provides some information about pitfalls such as >"mitigations=off audit=off" which might vs a new kernel in combination >with a new microcode, by still using kind of a fast past. path It should read path :D. IOW information mentioning the booted kernel and microcode is useless without information about boot attributes. -- “Awards are merely the badges of mediocrity.” ― Charles Ives -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: The alternative implementation of Ubuntu user statistics
On Sat, 21 Dec 2019 23:23:41 +0300, Andrey Ponomarenko wrote: >Hello, > >I've recently initiated a new statistical project based on anonymously >collected outputs of hwinfo, smartmontools and dmidecode utilities >called "Linux Hardware Trends". The report for Ubuntu is now here: >https://github.com/linuxhw/Trends/tree/master/Dist/Ubuntu > >The report can be considered as an alternative to Ubuntu user >statistics (https://ubuntu.com/desktop/statistics) and helps to answer >questions like "How popular are 32-bit systems?", "How fast is SSD >market share growing?", "Which hard drives are less reliable?", "How >many computers use old CPU microcode?", "How good is device drivers >support?", etc. > >Please let me know if you are interested in tracking any OS/hardware >characteristics that are not currently included in the report. > >The data is collected by the Snap package here: >https://snapcraft.io/hw-probe > >Thanks. > Pitfalls: How many percent of users do not participate? The HDD we bought 7 years ago might be very reliable and might live another 7 years, even if we park and release the heads a thousand times a day, but actually you can't purchase this disk anymore. IOW you might get a realistic statistics, but it anyway is useless, since the drive is discontinued. /proc/cmdline provides some information about pitfalls such as "mitigations=off audit=off" which might vs a new kernel in combination with a new microcode, by still using kind of a fast past. Btw. my machine internally is equipped with SSDs only, but all of my backup drives are HDDs only and non is connected during regular computer usage. I could continue the line of possible pitfalls, that most likely will bias any statistic and render it absolutely useless. -- “Awards are merely the badges of mediocrity.” ― Charles Ives -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Enhancement: Make "Keyboard settings" (keyboard layout) easier accessible
On Sat, 7 Dec 2019 04:32:55 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >To cut a long story short, different desktop environments provide >different keyboard layout related GUI dialogs. Some of them follow your >logic, other don't. In then end all of them just steer kind of a middle ^ this should read "reasoning" (in everyday Ruhrgebiet-German language we tend to use the term "logic" for "reasoning", actually it isn't "standard" German and probably absolutely incorrect English :D *?*) >course -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Enhancement: Make "Keyboard settings" (keyboard layout) easier accessible
PS:
In theory Ubuntu developers could change it for Ubuntu only, but you
better report your concern against upstream. Keep in mind that
portability might be important, too. A user might migrate from one Linux
distro to another, or even might migrate from Linux to FreeBSD, or vice
versa.
Disclaimer: I'm not an Ubuntu{,flavour} developer, I'm just another
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Re: Enhancement: Make "Keyboard settings" (keyboard layout) easier accessible
Hi, selecting the wanted keyboard layout is tricky. A single user machine vs a multi-user system where each user might use a different language and/or keyboard. There are different levels on how to set up the wanted keyboard layout, let alone that some apps are more or less smart. An example, even on a single user machine using X, where setting up the keyboard layout could be done for quasi everything by the xorg.conf, some apps, such as e.g. some calculators tend to fail. Imagine a German keyboard by preferring English for the menus of the user session. Some calculators are smart, they "translate" the German "," of the numeric keypad, to the English ".", other don't. To cut a long story short, different desktop environments provide different keyboard layout related GUI dialogs. Some of them follow your logic, other don't. In then end all of them just steer kind of a middle course. There is no smart way to please everybody. Indeed, "Region & Language" does not suggest "keyboard settings", OTOH in practise a keyboard layout is related to region and language settings. Regards, Ralf -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
[Bug 1845874] Re: Screen blotches/flickering on XFCE (Ubuntu Studio) Eoan 19.10
Apart from mentioning the graphics and the used driver, keep in mind that recording the desktop with vokoscreen or any other tool like this, does not record what is displayed. To show what is displayed consider to record the screen with an external camera. The video definitely doesn't show something unusual. If you would cut the cable of one colour of a VGA cable, you would see a picture with a missing colour, but if you would take a screenshot with a screenshot tool from some video buffer, we still would see all colours. Next time consider to not ban people from your Ubuntu Studio mailing lists, because they contribute by providing technical knowledge you are missing. You seem to miss way more basic knowledge, than I thought. -- You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/1845874 Title: Screen blotches/flickering on XFCE (Ubuntu Studio) Eoan 19.10 To manage notifications about this bug go to: https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/xfwm4/+bug/1845874/+subscriptions -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: Announcing release 3.48 of reposurgeon
On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 12:22:16 -0400, Jeremy Bicha wrote: >If every developer sent this list an email every time there was a new >release, this email list would become usable. ^^^ ^^ a Freudian slip ;) or intended? -- “Awards are merely the badges of mediocrity.” ― Charles Ives -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 19.10 and Xubuntu 19.04 and dual quad core Xeon E5335 CPUs
Not-OT: IIRC there were several 5.2 and/or 5.3 kernel issues related mails on the Arch general mailing list. Arch is a rolling release, however, it provides a LTS kernel, that at the moment is at 4.19.76 and actually Ubuntu's 16.04 lowlatency is [root@archlinux moonstudio]# systemd-nspawn apt -qq list linux-lowlatency 2>/dev/null linux-lowlatency/xenial-updates,xenial-security,now 4.4.0.165.173 amd64 [installed] Assuming the machine does use the same set-up for 16.04 and updated Ubuntu installs, my shot in the dark is a kernel regression, since the OP doesn't experience a noticeable performance issue when using the same machine, with a 16.04 lowlatency kernel and IIRC some 5.x kernels with some hardware and software are fishy. OT: On Thu, 3 Oct 2019 08:16:59 -0700 (PDT), Len Ovens wrote: >You will notice if you play with it much that hdmi audio has very >large buffers as a minimum size. They will not accept 256 sample >buffers, they are too small. That might explain why audio output via my LCD display always works when using Ubuntu flavour live DVDs, but never worked, if I tried to use my Ubuntu 16.04 or Arch Linux install. OTOH I used the default audio of the live DVDs, IOW most likely pulseaudio, and I used jackd from command line, when running a 16.04 or Arch session, _but_ I didn't get any jack/alsa messages mentioning an issue, there's just no audio output. I'll try to test it next week with bizarre high frame rates. -- “Awards are merely the badges of mediocrity.” ― Charles Ives -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Ubuntu Studio 19.10 and Xubuntu 19.04 and dual quad core Xeon E5335 CPUs
On Thu, 03 Oct 2019 02:41:50 +, er...@ericheickmeyer.com wrote: >The reason it's slower than the generic kernel is that the lowlatency >kernel prioritizes AUDIO, nothing else. Hi, this is completely irrelevant, if the OP suffers from a regression after an upgrade. It has got impact, but in a moment when audio isn't used, it not necessarily is the cause for bad performance. The combination of the "lowlatency" kernel settings for example in combination with e.g. meltdown/spectre mitigations and audit enabled, could make a difference depending on the kernel version and used hardware. In short, a lot of factors could affect performance. Troubleshooting by changing rt priorities, disabling mitigations and audit and a lot of other things, I can't mention all of them, might lead to some kernel config setting that maybe lead to a thread handling related regression in the kernel or even to an issue related to a shared dependency required by LibreOffice and other software. For other reasons, manly a regression related to GTK2 apps, I stay with [weremouse@moonstudio ~]$ lsb_release -a LSB Version: core-9.20160110ubuntu0.2-amd64:core-9.20160110ubuntu0.2-noarch:security-9.20160110ubuntu0.2-amd64:security-9.20160110ubuntu0.2-noarch Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description:Ubuntu 16.04.6 LTS Release:16.04 Codename: xenial Ubuntu flavours > 16.04, as well as my "main" Linux (Arch Linux) suffer from crashing GTK2 GUIs (not from performance issues). Resume: As soon as "threadirqs" is involved (for the "lowlatency" kernel it is) even the priorities "feature", could suffer from a regression and cause issues. If there is no noticeable performance issue for the OP when using 16.04 with the lowlatency kernel, while for other releases there is such an issue, _it is_ a regression, even if the generic kernel for 16.04 would allow better performance, than the lowlatency kernel for 16.04, too. The key is, that a machine configured for a special purpose slowed down after an upgrade and now can't be used anymore, since the performance isn't good enough anymore. Assuming the hardware didn't break, then a software related regression is the reason. >The generic kernel exists for general purpose, the lowlatency kernel, >while it works for general use, is definitely configured to prioritize >lowlatency audio. But the OP could use the lowlatency kernel of 16.04 for "general purpose" when using 16.04 and can't continue doing it with newer releases, so something changed, that shouldn't change. Only this is relevant. Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [ubuntu-studio-users] Ubuntu Studio 19.10 (Eoan Ermine) Beta Released
On Sat, 28 Sep 2019 11:49:19 -0700, Erich Eickmeyer wrote: >Ralf: Mousepad is part of the Xfce suite, so for consistency sake we >include it. Xfce includes no official GUI archiver, so we (and Xubuntu) >include File Roller from GNOME. There's your consistency. It's arguable that a distro for creative folks provides a default editor without spell checking. Spell checking isn't rocket science and well-established. It's strange that Xubuntu prefers Archive Manager (it isn't FileRoller anymore) over Engrampa. My guess is, that users usually like an environment consistency. Some prefer to get no menu bar, while other prefer to get a menu bar, but I suspect less users like to have a mix of burger menu and menu bar apps. IMO such a mix is a step in the wrong direction. Apropos step in the wrong direction, "Many were increasingly of the opinion that they'd all made a big mistake in coming down from the trees in the first place. And some said that even the trees had been a bad move, and that no one should ever have left the oceans." -- IN this case the German translation is more funny than the original, since "Holzweg" is a correct and very funny translation. Aus dem Englischen von Benjamin Schwarz. "Viele kamen allmählich zu der Überzeugung, einen großen Fehler gemacht zu haben, als sie von den Bäumen heruntergekommen waren. Und einige sagten, schon die Bäume seien ein Holzweg gewesen, die Ozeane hätte man niemals verlassen dürfen." - Per Anhalter durch die Galaxis, Kapitel 1, ISBN 3-453-14697-2, PT7 books.google https://de.wikiquote.org/wiki/Douglas_Adams#Per_Anhalter_durch_die_Galaxis -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [ubuntu-studio-users] Ubuntu Studio 19.10 (Eoan Ermine) Beta Released
My impression is, that this release is a good starting point for almost all creative domains. I doubt that Luke would consider the default optimal regarding privacy and it for sure does not fit my world view related to pro audio, but I didn't notice an issue, it should be possible to tailor it to individual needs. I didn't test if a strange GTK2 issue is solved. Actually the only one I know who seems to be seriously worried about the "!xcb_xlib_threads_sequence_lost" issue, is (apart from myself) Walter Lapchynski (Lubunt). I stay with *buntu 16.04, since it doesn't suffer from this issue, but my main install Arch Linux is affected. -- “Awards are merely the badges of mediocrity.” ― Charles Ives -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Ubuntu Studio 19.10 (Eoan Ermine) Beta Released
On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 18:55:03 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>Eoan Ermine (beta) released by Erich Eickmeyer :).
>^^ ^ ^
>
>I'll download it later and at least test it as a live-DVD when I backup
>my Linux installs tonight or during the weekend.
Hi,
my apologies, first I sent this reply by a wrong email address and I
guess I accidentally did not push "cancel".
At least as a live-DVD to make backups and to open tar archives, it
works without issues.
IMO it's just inconsistent to stay with Xfce4 and at the same
time to provide the GNOME app Archive Manager, former FileRoller.
Even gtk3-nocsd doesn't makes it better, since still the menu bar
is missing and the main window can't be moved while extracting an
archive, so I installed Engrampa, it doesn't require gtk3-nocsd to not
break the theme, it provides a menu bar and the main window as well as
the progress bar window can be moved, while extracting an archive. IMO
Mate apps fit better to Xfce4, than GNOME apps do.
For backup usage I could use mousepad, however, an IDE isn't needed for
a studio distro, but IMO either pluma or xed fit better to a studio
distro, since spell checking should be provided. AFAIK mousepad improved
a lot, but still is way to simple and compared to xed, mosuepad already
is bloatware, while xed already is similar feature-rich as pluma is.
Without taking into account how they work under the hood and without
taking plugins into account, just the file size might be at least a
little bit meaningful:
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl /usr/bin/{mousepad,pluma,xed}
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 258K Aug 12 01:28 /usr/bin/mousepad
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 655K May 20 12:33 /usr/bin/pluma
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 14K Jul 29 01:15 /usr/bin/xed
Dunno if xed is available by repositories, it's the editor I'm using
most of the times on Arch Linux. The script I run, when running an
Ubuntu flavour live-DVD session installs pluma.
Regards,
Ralf
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [ubuntu-studio-users] Ubuntu Studio 19.10 (Eoan Ermine) Beta Released
On Fri, 27 Sep 2019 18:55:03 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>Eoan Ermine (beta) released by Erich Eickmeyer :).
>^^ ^ ^
>
>I'll download it later and at least test it as a live-DVD when I backup
>my Linux installs tonight or during the weekend.
Hi,
my apologies, first I sent this reply by a wrong email address and I
guess I accidentally did not push "cancel".
At least as a live-DVD to make backups and to open tar archives, it
works without issues.
IMO it's just inconsistent to stay with Xfce4 and at the same
time to provide the GNOME app Archive Manager, former FileRoller.
Even gtk3-nocsd doesn't makes it better, since still the menu bar
is missing and the main window can't be moved while extracting an
archive, so I installed Engrampa, it doesn't require gtk3-nocsd to not
break the theme, it provides a menu bar and the main window as well as
the progress bar window can be moved, while extracting an archive. IMO
Mate apps fit better to Xfce4, than GNOME apps do.
For backup usage I could use mousepad, however, an IDE isn't needed for
a studio distro, but IMO either pluma or xed fit better to a studio
distro, since spell checking should be provided. AFAIK mousepad improved
a lot, but still is way to simple and compared to xed, mosuepad already
is bloatware, while xed already is similar feature-rich as pluma is.
Without taking into account how they work under the hood and without
taking plugins into account, just the file size might be at least a
little bit meaningful:
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl /usr/bin/{mousepad,pluma,xed}
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 258K Aug 12 01:28 /usr/bin/mousepad
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 655K May 20 12:33 /usr/bin/pluma
-rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 14K Jul 29 01:15 /usr/bin/xed
Dunno if xed is available by repositories, it's the editor I'm using
most of the times on Arch Linux. The script I run, when running an
Ubuntu flavour live-DVD session installs pluma.
Regards,
Ralf
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Ubuntu Studio 19.10 (Eoan Ermine) Beta Released
Eoan Ermine (beta) released by Erich Eickmeyer :). ^^ ^ ^ I'll download it later and at least test it as a live-DVD when I backup my Linux installs tonight or during the weekend. -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [ubuntu-studio-users] Ubuntu Studio 19.10 (Eoan Ermine) Beta Released
Eoan Ermine (beta) released by Erich Eickmeyer :). ^^ ^ ^ I'll download it later and at least test it as a live-DVD when I backup my Linux installs tonight or during the weekend. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] New Live Music Control Application
>On Mon, 9 Sep 2019, Elias Kesh wrote:
>> WebKit
Which version of webkit?
Note, that Ubuntu dropped libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 for Ubuntu flavour
releases >= Disco, see
https://packages.ubuntu.com/cosmic/libwebkitgtk-1.0-0 .
Guitarix once had a dependency to libwebkitgtk-1.0-0,
https://packages.ubuntu.com/xenial/guitarix . It was dropped by
upstream with Guitarix release 0.35.4, so Ubuntu flavours >= Bionic
already provide Guitarix without this dependency,
https://packages.ubuntu.com/bionic/guitarix .
It was dropped for security reasons.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Solution to my problem
On Wed, 17 Jul 2019 15:25:14 -0400, Mike Squires wrote: >When "grub" is installing it finds two LINUX kernels to boot but both >are labeled as "low latency" when being installed by "grub". Is the >second one really a version without the "low latency" mods? Running dpkg -l 'linux-image-*-*' | grep ii shows all kernels installed by a package. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Studio 19.04 vs XUBUNTU 19.04 vs dual quad Xeon
On Wed, 10 Jul 2019 08:08:33 -0700 (PDT), Len Ovens wrote: >I forgot to mention: The big difference between what I have and your >setup is that I am using an Intel GPU. Hi, I wonder why anybody does run a desktop machine using RAID and I even more wonder that anybody does use RAID, if the desktop machine is used for lowlatency audio work? I suspect that anything special connected to PCIe is asking for trouble. Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: i386 architecture will be dropped starting with eoan (Ubuntu 19.10)
>On 6/23/19 12:51 PM, Mohamed Ikbel Boulabiar wrote: >> My apologies for my long mail, and the kind-of rant. Hi, while I agree on many of your statements, those are not really related to the 32-bit issue. Ubuntu still will support 32-bit for some while, Arch Linux for example has already dropped it. The day when it will be completely dropped by Ubuntu, too, you unlikely will be able to maintain old 32-bit machines anymore, let alone that power consumption of old machines already is a PITA and modern software requires new hardware anyway. Regarding your off-topic rant regarding creation, for niches such as artwork, music production, etc. proprietary solutions are way better, because of the huger communities. Linux nice communities are very small and tend to be intolerant against people, who don't march lock-step with the Linux nice's mainstream. Let alone that where the money is, there is the better development. However, since I'm a Linux and Apple user, Apple has got it's pitfall, too. Regards, Ralf -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] i386 architecture will be dropped starting with eoan (Ubuntu 19.10)
On Fri, 21 Jun 2019 11:33:53 -0400, Luigino Bracci wrote: >I apologize for the rudeness of what I'm going to say, but stop >creating 32-bit distributions is a decision that seems taken by people >living in New York, having computers with 16 GB of RAM and 1 TB SSDs, >and believing that the rest of the world lives like them. Hi, to put it in a nutshell, EOL of 18.04 LTS is April 2028, you shouldn't expect that a lot of i386 or even other 32-bit architecture could be artificially maintained much longer. To some extend you could take the soldering station and make one computer out of two computers. However, at some point there aren't enough IDE drives available anymore. There likely will be a lot of climate agreements in the future, so also consider that power consumption of old machines will become an issue, especially for developing countries. Today we already have a lot of less power consuming, but already aged 64-bit machines, that are not much used by those rich New Yorkers anymore, but ready to become a donation. Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Audio Issues
On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 08:35:43 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 08:06:42 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>PS: >> >>On my machine running >> >> speaker-test >> >>works to test left and right phones channel of the default device (RME >>HDSPe AIO), if nothing else grabs it. Unfortunately speaker-test >>doesn't work for me, if I try to use options such as selecting a >>device or specifying a channel. > >The same is true for running > > aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/*.wav I do understand that for the mentioned RME card the channel issue likely is hdspmixer related, but I don't understand why selecting audio devices fails to work, since jackd using the alsa backend, is able to use all audio devices, excepted of HDMI. -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Audio Issues
On Thu, 20 Jun 2019 08:06:42 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >PS: > >On my machine running > > speaker-test > >works to test left and right phones channel of the default device (RME >HDSPe AIO), if nothing else grabs it. Unfortunately speaker-test >doesn't work for me, if I try to use options such as selecting a >device or specifying a channel. The same is true for running aplay /usr/share/sounds/alsa/*.wav -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Audio Issues
PS: On my machine running speaker-test works to test left and right phones channel of the default device (RME HDSPe AIO), if nothing else grabs it. Unfortunately speaker-test doesn't work for me, if I try to use options such as selecting a device or specifying a channel. -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Audio Issues
On Thu, 2019-06-20 at 10:29 +0530, Ranjith Hegde wrote: > After the June update of ubuntu studio, several things seem to be > broken in my system. Hi, what release of Ubuntu Studio? Open xfce4-terminal and run lsb_release -a select the command and it's output with the mouse, right click and copy the selection, then paste it to your reply. > the most important problem is that I get audio only from the right > channel of my headphones port no matter which hardware I connect to > the port. It still could be, that the socket jack is defect. Consider to run a Linux from a live DVD, to test if audio still is broken. > I have checked in pulse audio control and all channels have volume. I > have checked in Carla and cadence patchbays and all things are > connected as should be. This are a lot of layers. For troubleshooting consider to test with plain ALSA first, IOW stop pulseaudio and stop jack, then add one layer after the other. What audio device or devices are available for playback? In xfce4-terminal run aplay -l and post it, too. Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] no HDMI output
On Tue, 4 Jun 2019 15:47:38 +0200, bart deruyter wrote: >xrandr says: HDMI-1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y >axis) You aren't using Wayland? There's no output mentioning HDMI2? What's the output of xrandr --verbose | grep -i hdmi ? Did you test different HDMI cables? Are the HDMI sockets clean? Do you have anything monitor related in /etc/X11/xorg.conf or /etc/X11/xorg.conf.d/? For example $ head -6 /etc/X11/xorg.conf Section "Monitor" Identifier "HDMI2" DisplaySize 526 296 Option "PreferredMode" "1920x1080" Option "Primary" "true" EndSection Did you test the FLOSS driver? -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
[ubuntu-studio-users] [solved] Krita view and/or export issue - Was: Migration from Gimp to Krita
On Mon, 2019-05-27 at 13:26 +0200, Tommy Hjalmarsson wrote: > Krita has App image and Flatpack also. > https://krita.org/en/download/krita-desktop/ Thank you, even if an alternate install would solve the issue, it wouldn't be a solution for me. Good maintained software should always work on common environments, on major distros as expected. I'm on a Linux multi-boot machine and expect working software what ever distro and version I use, otherwise I could stay with Gimp. By trial-and-error I found out that [ ] (unchecked) Use system monitor profile Screen 1: Rec2020-elle-V2-srgbtrc.icc Rendering intent: Perceptual comes close to the exported wallpaper JPEG. Until now it provides the best result. The remaining difference shouldn't, but could be related to the export. I've done a countercheck viewing the same image with Krita and Mirage, at 100% size, see https://i.imgur.com/NNxDZmf.png, Krita's view seems to be ok now. The remaining difference of the exported JPEG (not shown by this screenshot) might be "normal",even while JPEGs exported with high quality settings not necessarily divert from the original colours that noticeable. I consider it as solved, since the main issue was the completely biased view of Krita, not a less obtrusive issue that might be related to the export. Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
[ubuntu-studio-users] Krita view and/or export issue - Was: Migration from Gimp to Krita
If somebody wants to use Krita, too ;). I asked at the Krita mailing list. On my machine Krita's view is terribly broken. https://mail.kde.org/pipermail/kimageshop/2019-May/015629.html -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
[ubuntu-studio-users] Migration from Gimp to Krita
Hi, due to increasing issues with Gimp, I try to migrate from Gimp to Krita. Is anybody experienced in using Krita? At the moment I'm puzzled on how to come closer to "what you see is nearly what you get", than what I experience at the moment, see https://i.imgur.com/2AySCGp.png. The wallpaper JPEG was exported with high quality JPEG settings. I suspect it's not only loss caused by the export. My guess is, that the 100% / 1:1 view of Krita already is biased. Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
[ubuntu-studio-users] [solved] Linux tool to convert sf2 to sfz
Hi, Polyphone 2.0 is available for Linux, Mac OS X and Windows. https://www.polyphone-soundfonts.com/en/download https://www.archlinux.org/packages/comm ... polyphone/ I successfully used Polyphone to convert sf2 to sfz. A free account gives access to download several usable soundfonts. https://www.polyphone-soundfonts.com/en/soundfonts Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
[ubuntu-studio-users] Linux tool to convert sf2 to sfz
Hi,
does somebody know a Linux tool for automatically converting soundfonts from
sf2 to sfz?
Regards,
Ralf
PS: I already installed 2 Windows tools, but would prefer a Linux tool.
If somebody should be interested to test those, too:
On Linux sforzando Version 1.933 and sfZed beta 0.9 can be installed and
launched using wine-staging 4.8 and much likely using any version of
wine-stable, too.
I haven't tested, if one or both apps do the job.
To install sforzando Version 1.933 open a terminal and run
mkdir -p $HOME/.wine-sf/drive_c/users/$USER/Downloads/{sforzando,sfzed}
cd $HOME/.wine-sf/drive_c/users/$USER/Downloads/sforzando/
wget
https://s3.amazonaws.com/sforzando/{WIN_sforzando_v1.933.exe,sforzando_guide.pdf,FreeSounds/WIN_ARIA_Engine_Free_Sounds_Vol1.exe}
WINEPREFIX=~/.wine-sf wine WIN_sforzando_v1.933.exe
Wine asks to install wine-mono, just cancel.
WINEPREFIX=~/.wine-sf wine WIN_ARIA_Engine_Free_Sounds_Vol1.exe
Continue with sfZed beta 0.9 by running
cd $HOME/.wine-sf/drive_c/users/$USER/Downloads/sfzed/
Since wget fails to download sfZed use w3m
w3m http://audio.clockbeat.com/sfZed.html
Use the cursor down key to navigate to "Download sfZed" and hit Enter.
As soon as "(Download)Save file to: sfZed09.zip" appears on the bottom hit
Enter.
After the download is complete push q and then confirm with y.
wget http://alt2.vst4free.com/get_plug/sfz.zip
unzip sfZed09.zip && rm sfZed09.zip
unzip sfz.zip && rm sfz.zip
WINEPREFIX=~/.wine-sf wine sfz197.exe
Now everything is installed.
To launch sforzando Version 1.933 run
WINEPREFIX=~/.wine-sf wine $HOME'/.wine-sf/drive_c/Program
Files/Plogue/sforzando/sforzando x64.exe' >/dev/null 2>&1
To launch sfZed beta 0.9 run
WINEPREFIX=~/.wine-sf wine
$HOME/.wine-sf/drive_c/users/$USER/Downloads/sfzed/sfZed.exe >/dev/null 2>&1
The dll required by sfZed is located in
C:\Program Files (x86)\Vstplugins\sfz.dll
$HOME'/.wine-sf/drive_c/Program Files (x86)/Vstplugins/sfz.dll'
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Kali Distro
On Wed, 8 May 2019 19:08:57 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >modern pencils for graphic tablets This should read^^^ tablet PCs :D. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Kali Distro
Hi, IMO an AIO approach always requires a rotten compromise. Not only related to the chosen Linux distro, but also to the chosen hardware. You either chose climate protection or you chose a super-computer with a super-instruction set, that anyway is not used by packages provided from repositories. For sure the super-computer still has got advantages over an energy-saving computer. You chose the advantages of a desktop PC, but at the same time the disadvantage caused by e.g. the need for a graphic tablet, that can't hold a candle to the latest generation of 12.9-inch tablet PCs and modern pencils for graphic tablets. You either maintain your own install by using a lot of packages from official repositories of a distro, but also by compiling your own packages or you only use packages provided by repositories. Both ways have got their pitfalls. You could do this or that... This could become a very long list of an ambivalent point of view. For other reasons than yours, I'm using two kinds of computer. Perhaps you should use two computers, too. One for networking and another for media production. We usually use a dishwasher and a washing machine and not just one of those machines to wash dishware and clothes. We can not have a Ferrari and a family car in one car. For web browsing and email I'm almost entirely using a Linux desktop PC. For music production I'm almost exclusively using a tablet PC. For my taste it's more or less impossible to do both on one machine or to do it vice versa. Without doubts, other people have different needs. Btw. to listen to music or to watch a film, I'm usually not using a computer at all. I'm still in favour of a hi-fi system with amplifier, turn table etc. and to watch films I'm still using a television set. Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Web design/theme contribution
Hi, if you need photos of a mixing console, small, not original British, keyboards from small Bluetooth to a real synth, guitars from classic to electric, assimilated by the hex pickup Borg, airbrush from a more or less unknown brand to DeVilbiss cult, pencils, 35mm film, an analog reflex camera, Letraset/Mecanorma screen tones and letters, speakers, 19" gear, analog stomp boxes etc. pp., I've got a new tablet PC that makes way better digital photos, than my old tablet PC could make. On request I could take one or the other photo and take care that no brand name is visible. I've got a lot of this equipment at hand, so without leaving home or even without searching in boxes stored in a cellar room, I could take one or the other photo, without much time investment and provide it under what wanted license ever. I don't want to take a photo spread, I'm just willing to take one or the other photo on demand. Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
[ubuntu-studio-users] MIDI in for VirtualBox iOS guest
Hi, the Synth One open-source project [ https://github.com/AudioKit/AudioKitSynthOne ], unfortunately not available for Linux, runs fine installed to an iOS 12.2 VirtualBox guest [ https://i.imgur.com/4rHkCs4.jpg ]. Audio out works and is available for usage by the Linux host. [weremouse@moonstudio ~]$ lsb_release -a LSB Version:core-9.20160110ubuntu0.2-amd64:core-9.20160110ubuntu0.2- noarch:security-9.20160110ubuntu0.2-amd64:security-9.20160110ubuntu0.2- noarch Distributor ID: Ubuntu Description:Ubuntu 16.04.6 LTS Release:16.04 Codename: xenial MIDI in for the Linux host works without issues, whatever MIDI hardware input I chose. [weremouse@moonstudio ~]$ amidi -l Dir DeviceName IO hw:0,0HDSPMx579bcc MIDI 1 IO hw:1,0TerraTec EWX24/96 MIDI IO hw:4,0,0 Scarlett 18i20 USB MIDI 1 However, MIDI in isn't available for the VirtualBox guest. Any ideas? As a workaround I record MIDI tracks with Ardour running on the Linux host, export the MIDI files and import them by Auria Pro or Cubasis running on the iOS guest. IOW MIDI within the VirtualBox iOS guest works without issues. Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
[ubuntu-studio-users] Bluetooth headphone
Hi, I'm looking for an over ear bluetooth headphone. I like semi-open headphones with unobtrusive bass. In the studio I'm using the discontinued diffuse field-equalised AKG 240 DF since decades. It's not a bluetooth headphone and for sure not the best headphone for hifi enjoyment, but it's perhaps the best headphone for hours of studio work. The wanted audio quality of the bluetooth headphone doesn't need to be usable to gage a mix, it's important that it doesn't cause fatigue or illness. I'm really looking for a bluetooth headphone and nothing else. I'm aware about latency, as well as loss of audio quality. I already own an audio interface, so apart from 16 analog IOs, I also have separated analog headphone outputs. Linux bluetooth support is also no concern, since I'll not pair the headphone with my Linux DAW. The headphone is used with equipment that is used in combination with a Linux machine and this equipment works trouble-free with bluetooth. Tested with a Sony WH-CH400, an on ear headphone that does cause fatigue within a few minutes and illness in less than an hour. So far the best dissent-free reviews I've read are about the Pioneer SE-MS7BT-K and the Superlux HDB-671 both could be used as wired headphones, too. They are closed headphones. Fortunately the isolation of the Superlux seems to be less perfect and the design looks close to the AKG design, so at the moment it's my favourite, but I never tested one of those headphones. There's no dealer close to me, where I could test equipment. I need to order headphones and return headphones I dislike. Before doing this I'm interested in experience reports and opinions. The mentioned headphones cost less than 100,- €. I'm willing to pay more than 100,-€, as long as the high price isn't just for esoteric reasons. Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Audio Handbook
On Tue, 19 Feb 2019 09:30:45 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >There were a lot of discussions related to Calf >plugins, perhaps the AudioHandbook should take them into account, for >example >http://lists.ardour.org/pipermail/ardour-users-ardour.org/2018-November/date.html. Oops, this is the link where a related thread starts: http://lists.ardour.org/pipermail/ardour-users-ardour.org/2018-November/028963.html -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: Anacron/Cron needed by default anymore?
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 09:59:01 -0800, Bryan Quigley wrote: >Subject: Anacron/Cron needed by default anymore? ^^ Oops, I missed that part :D. You don't want to drop it completely. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Anacron/Cron needed by default anymore?
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 09:59:01 -0800, Bryan Quigley wrote: >Based on a disco desktop current jobs: >apport - clean all crash reports which are older than a week. >apt-compat - says to prefer the systemd timers >bsdmainutils - BSD mainutils calendar daily maintenance script >cracklib-runtime - make a wordlist for stronger password checking >dpkg - Backup the 7 last versions of dpkg databases containing user >data. logrotate - skips if systemd is installed >man-db - skips if systemd is installed >mlocate - regenerates locate database >passwd - backups passwd group shadow gshadow >popularity-contest - sends package info >ubuntu-advantage-tools - runs status and stores in a cache >update-notifier-common - Try to rerun any package data downloads that >failed at package install time. FWIW https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents=fstrim.timer=exactfilename=cosmic=any https://packages.ubuntu.com/search?searchon=contents=systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer=exactfilename=cosmic=any Neither for my Ubuntu, nor for my Arch Linux install I need much timers. I'm booted to Arch Linux now, but it should be similar for my Ubuntu install: $ systemctl list-timers --all NEXT LEFT LAST PASSEDUNIT ACTIVATES Wed 2019-02-13 00:00:00 CET 4h 40min left Tue 2019-02-12 00:00:51 CET 19h ago logrotate.timer logrotate.service Wed 2019-02-13 00:00:00 CET 4h 40min left Tue 2019-02-12 00:00:51 CET 19h ago shadow.timer shadow.service Wed 2019-02-13 13:34:46 CET 18h left Tue 2019-02-12 13:34:45 CET 5h 44min ago systemd-tmpfiles-clean.timer systemd-tmpfiles-clean.service Mon 2019-02-18 00:00:00 CET 5 days left Mon 2019-02-11 00:00:21 CET 1 day 19h ago fstrim.timer fstrim.service 4 timers listed. However, backwards compatibility might be useful for those who make intensive use of individual cron jobs that aren't provided by packages. Should they be forced to redo all the work they already have done? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Continuing problem with Ubuntu upgrade
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 17:20:05 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >sudo systemd-nspawn -bqD /mount/point/ When finished you need to shutdown the install booted in the container by running shutdown -h now even while it's just running in a container, it is booted inside the container and needs a safe shutdown. -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Continuing problem with Ubuntu upgrade
Hi, did you backup your install (not just data, but the complete install)? I would restore my install from a backup and try to upgrade the restored install. If you shouldn't have a backup, you could try to fix the install from an Ubuntu flavour live DVD. 1. Boot the live Ubuntu flavour. 2. Connect the live Ubuntu flavour with the Internet. 3. Run sudo apt update sudo apt full-upgrade sudo apt install systemd-container 4. Use a file manager (or command line) to mount the broken Ubuntu Studio's root directory (not /root/, just /). When using a file manager the mount point most likely is /media/ubuntu-flavour-name/label-of-the-ubuntu-install-root-partition/, so replace the below /mount/point/ by the correct path. 6. Run sudo systemd-nspawn -qD /mount/point/ apt update sudo systemd-nspawn -qD /mount/point/ apt install --fix-broken if this should fail, try sudo systemd-nspawn -bqD /mount/point/ log in as user and then run sudo apt update sudo apt install --fix-broken If it shouldn't work, you still could try a "chroot" when running the live Ubuntu flavor or you download all packages manually using the live Ubuntu flavour or Windows and after that you boot the broken install either in a systemd container or you really boot it and install the downloaded packages by sudo apt install /path/to/downloaded/packages/* Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Continuing problem with Ubuntu upgrade
On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 22:24:13 -0500, sci...@vex.net wrote: >The router knows about pppoe. What does "the router knows" mean? ^ You need to enable PPPoE pass through by the router's settings dialog. However, that it worked in the past, doesn't mean that it is still working, since network providers tend to migrate from one kind of access to another. I own a router that is theoretically able to provide PPPoE pass through, but related to a change from ADSL to VDSL bitstream access one session port and the used firmware version, the option is not available. Does your router's firmware provide PPPoE pass through? Isn't the network provider's access via one session port? If so, is PPPoE pass through enabled by the router's settings? With the wrong firmware, resp. one session port access the router's PPPoE pass through feature is null and void. -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] Continuing problem with Ubuntu upgrade
On Sun, 10 Feb 2019 08:00:36 -0500, sci...@vex.net wrote: >It suggests "apt-get -f install". I tried this but it doesn't appear >that networking is up. For connecting by DHCP run sudo dhcpcd $(basename $(ls -d /sys/class/net/enp?s0)) For establishing the Internet access via PPPoE run sudo modprobe -v pppoe sudo pppoeconf #if you already configured pppoe, you could skip this command sudo ip link set $(basename $(ls -d /sys/class/net/enp?s0)) up #dunno if ip link is required sudo pon || sudo pon dsl-provider -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Possible explanation of my problems with Ubuntu Studio 18.10 and video may require more than 768MB in some cases
On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 14:27:15 -0500, Mike Squires wrote: >I wonder if it might have something to do with the security updates >for the various problems like Spectre. You could disable those mitigations, but they unlikely cause that kind or performance issue. Read this thread, IOW this request and _all_ follow-ups: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2018-November/295911.html Especially care about https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2018-November/295924.html. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Possible explanation of my problems with Ubuntu Studio 18.10 and video may require more than 768MB in some cases
On Wed, 5 Dec 2018 14:27:15 -0500, Mike Squires wrote: >My guess is that there is something about the low-latency kernel that >causes my dual Xeon quad core to slow down dramatically. You are dual booting between two releases of Ubuntu, one is running ok, the other does cause performance issues? You could boot into the old kernel and at the same time into the new root directory, IOW you could use the old kernel with the new install, it just requires a "fishy" bootloader entry. Doing so isn't entirely safe, but usually works. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Possible explanation of my problems with Ubuntu Studio 18.10 and video may require more than 768MB in some cases
Hi,
the described performance issues could also happen, if a disc drive is
broken. Sometimes strange things also happen, if the CMOS
battery is getting low.
Usually, but not necessarily running
sudo smartctl -a /dev/sda
^^^
gives a pointer. Replace "sda" with the drive you want to check. If the
drive should be a SSD, it might not be part of systemctl's data base, so
it's better to use a vendor's tool instead of systemctl. Btw. I don't
have experiences with broken SSDs, just with broken HDDs and at least
HHDs could cause such issues.
Very old mobos usually point to a battery that gets low, when turning
on the computer, let alone that very old mobos usually work, even with
an empty CMOS battery, it just requires to set the date and time again.
New mobos tend to provide the correct date and time even with a too low
battery and don't mention that the battery already is too low, they just
start to behave strange and AFAIK there's no way to check the battery,
other than replacing it by a new one. Even using a multimeter and a
resistor to simulate load, might still indicate that the battery isn't
too low.
My guess is, that a disk drive is broken, but if I were you, I would
replace the battery and check the disk drive and just in case I would
run memtest, too. Note, running memtest could lead to false positives,
if the RAM is ok, as well as passing all tests, even with a broken RAM.
Memtest not necessarily is trustworthy, but it still could help
troubleshooting.
Consider to check all connections, especially SATA connectors without a
lock. Sometimes disconnecting everything (SATA cables, power cables,
PCI, RAM ...) and connecting it again, even without cleaning helps.
Regards,
Ralf
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] New version of Calf plugins (and a failed ISO build)
On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 17:25:05 -0800 (PST), Len Ovens wrote: >I use $88CAD walmart specials on Ardour with no problem. In general I >don't even need my glasses like I do for reading. YMMV... The Ardour font and screen size issue is a CRT issue. Regarding the LCD quality the issue isn't related to Ardour, it's a general eye fatigue issue caused by the way the LED backlight is done, how it behaves if the lightning of the room does change, the pixel pitch and even how visible or invisible the plastic of the screen is. I started with a LG24MB56-HQ-B for 135,-€ and replaced it by an EIZO EV2450W-BK for 292,-€. In most regards the EIZO is better than a good CRT, but it still strains the eyes more than a good CRT does. While the EIZO is way better than the LG, it is missing one feature provided by the LG. The LG allowed to add unsharpness. One feature of the EIZO, to add a background image with a pattern, is only available for Windows. However, I would buy the EIZO again, the backlight is ok, there is no viewing angle issue and the auto brightness control is perfect, once you found out how to avoid a setting, that does cause random brightness jumps. Given how fragile the screens are, they are much to expensive for my taste. My screen already has got a scratch that is invisible most of the times, it's only visible if the screen is black and the sun is shining directly onto the screen. Non of my decades old CRTs has got a scratch. The LCDs at work, in the computer room for children are cluttered with scratches. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] New version of Calf plugins (and a failed ISO build)
On Sat, 24 Nov 2018 13:15:36 -0800 (PST), Len Ovens wrote: >I have found that the only problem with Ubuntu is that it is the >easiest Linux to access and so gets more newy users than Arch (for >example). I have found that more than 50% of all ubuntu user problems >are using Ardour/Jack with a USB mic and internal playback. Hi, I follow the Linux audio related mailing lists and this month I didn't read anything about USB microphones, there was just a Calf discussion, but there were also other threads, e.g. somebody experienced the same I experienced with Ardour. Resizing windows stopped working from one release to another. I'm an Ardour user and most issues I experience with Ardour aren't caused by plugins. As probably most musicians I'm neither using an USB mic, nor an integrated audio device. Most issues I experience are caused by Ardour, it's not nearly as good programmed as claimed. For example, the only reason for dropping my CRTs and buying a LCD display was, that Ardour is unable to provide readable font sizes and at the same time windows that fit into the screen resolution. First I bought an inexpensive LCD display, but soon I noticed that I need an expensive LCD display, so I bought an expensive one. Don't get me wrong, I still continue using Ardour and other Linux audio software, but for some software I maintain my own packages for Ubuntu as well as for Arch Linux. It's an annoying roleplaying of upgrading and downgrading packages and keeping intact soname dependencies + consistently upgrading of hardware. Actually I've done most of my "hobby" recordings with an iPad 2 and yesterday I purchased an Apple iPad Pro 12,9“ (3. Generation) Wi-Fi 1 TB, that hopefully allows "professional" recordings, too. While I experienced tons of pitfalls using the iPad 2, I decided against _another_ upgrade of my Linux PC hardware and instead to order a new iPad. Most people are unable to poo money. I like the idea of open source, unfortunately the hardware required for open source solutions is more expensive than proprietary gear. You can't use the new GNOME with old hardware etc. pp., or I for example own a Roland GR-55 and a Behringer V-Amp. An equivalent to each of those devices would be a MOD with the plugins we know. Even the Roland solution is less expensive, than the MOD and provides a way better self-consistent solution, let alone audio quality of the effects and modeling. The Behringer V-Amp is even more cheaper, still provides better audio effects and modeling than Linux plugins, but it is missing MIDI and has got an unusable expression pedal and user interface, something the Roland isn't missing. The real problem with Ardour aren't Calf plugins and USB mic users. The problem is that the idea of open source is good, but for several reasons, in short, a missing infrastructure, missing money and missing knowhow, it can't compete with modern proprietary solutions. It's a dilemma, but it is as it is. It makes more sense to mention that Ardour is very good for some kinds of audio production and unusable for other kind of audio production, instead of claiming that Ardour is the best software ever, but it suffers from odd plugins and Ubuntu users using USB mics. Regards, Ralf -- Kitty, Daisy & Lewis - The Game Is On https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tL6Cuo0YPlo Kitty, Daisy & Lewis - Down On My Knees https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jD86aRsJ1N0 Kitty, Daisy & Lewis - Black Van https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lL--_xzNLI -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: blacklist pcspkr
On Tue, 06 Nov 2018 11:19:07 +0100, Oliver Grawert wrote: >isnt it great that ubuntu allows you to modify the default (that >pleases the majority of users) I seriously doubt that the majority of users is pleased by a blacklisted pcspkr. It isn't great that Ubuntu defaults to something stupid, the bell always needs to be on for diagnostics, that isn't something you can re-eanble on demand, let alone that it is e.g. used to signal incoming mail by the _PC speaker_, while the "regular" speakers or headphones play music only, but never ever the bell. Laptops might not have a PC speaker. GNOME and other desktop environment users, who migrated from Windows might have crap such as desktop sounds enabled, however, a majority of Linux users for sure aren't Windows migrants, but use UNIX alike computers for serious work, in a for good reasons well established work flow. Some things should make progress, art, science etc., other things are well established and shouldn't be changed, since no sane progress is possible. We use forks and knives and don't change it and we should use the bell, too, since it is like forks and knives, the bell isn't something like art, science etc. ... IOW it's not great if Ubuntu developers don't fix a bug, but instead shut away forks and knives during dinner. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
blacklist pcspkr
Hi, when upgrading Ubuntu 16.04.5 LTS right now I noticed something alarming. "Configuration file '/etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf' ==> Modified (by you or by a script) since installation. ==> Package distributor has shipped an updated version. What would you like to do about it ? Your options are: Y or I : install the package maintainer's version N or O : keep your currently-installed version D : show the differences between the versions Z : start a shell to examine the situation The default action is to keep your current version. *** blacklist.conf (Y/I/N/O/D/Z) [default=N] ? d --- /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf 2016-10-23 23:06:36.499257451 +0200 +++ /etc/modprobe.d/blacklist.conf.dpkg-new 2018-10-29 [snip] # ugly and loud noise, getting on everyone's nerves; this should be done by a # nice pulseaudio bing (Ubuntu: #77010) -#blacklist pcspkr +blacklist pcspkr [snip]" pcspkr is a good tool for error diagnosis. Replacing it by a bloated sound server is risky, since the sound server easily could fail, while pcspkr is know to work without issues. Shouldn't this read "pulseaudio a crappy sound server getting on everyone's nerves, it's way better to not install it and to fulfil absurd hard dependencies with an empty dummy package, that fakes to provide pulseaudio"? I'm using either plain ALSA or jackd with the ALSA backend, if I need audio, just to listen to something from the Internet or to do professional grade audio productions, _but_ if I don't need to listen to speech or other audio material, such as music, then I don't turn on an amplifier, I also don't want a sound server to waste my computer's resources, if I need signals from MUAs, the terminal etc., instead I'm using a PC speaker beep. Exaggerated: unnecessary power consumption might be unimportant for climate change deniers. If other users like pulseaudio, it's ok, but it's not ok to blacklist pcspkr by default. Not exaggerated: As a matter of principle, simple, useful features shouldn't be dropped in favour of bloat. 2 Cents, Ralf -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] [off-topic] Problems installing 18.10
>On 10/31/18 1:02 PM, Mike Squires wrote: >> will try to migrate them to a MS Windows 7 VM soon I migrated from a XP guest to a Windows 7 guest, because the software I need isn't supported for XP anymore. Since we don't know how long the needed software will be supported for Windows 7, consider to test wine or wine-staging. Unfortunately some software can't be used as VM guest and other software can't be used under wine. I need software that doesn't work as a VM guest, it's GR-55FloorBoard, to edit my guitar synth. It has got a Linux port, but it's unusable. If you didn't already tested wine and wine-staging, consider to test it. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] GIMP 2.10.6 - Was: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Cosmic Release Notes
On Fri, 19 Oct 2018 15:41:35 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >For testing purpose I downgrade GIMP to 2.8.22, it can't open the >version 11 file, but despite a lot of soname issues (I didn't >downgrade the dependenicies, too), it can open the file saved with >2.10.6 ...that was saved after selecting "Legacy" mode ;). -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] GIMP 2.10.6 - Was: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Cosmic Release Notes
On Thu, 18 Oct 2018 21:24:08 +, Erich Eickmeyer wrote: >this seems like stuff that belongs in a bug report The bugs do so, but not the backwards compatibility information. So here's a last related mail with some information. A package allows the user to see what XCF version is used: https://packages.ubuntu.com/cosmic/xcftools Available for other distros, too, at least for Arch Linux provided by the AUR, so I don't need to restart my computer now. An issue are XCF version 11 files, since GIMP 2.8 can't open those files. [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ xcfinfo ~/Pictures/music/tonleiter_c_am-pentatonik.xcf Warning: XCF version 11 not supported (trying anyway...) Version 11, 1640x525 RGB color, 0 layers, compressed None When storing a file with GIMP 2.10.6, it's possible to store it in legacy mode. Windows > Dockable Dialogs > Layers Select the layer (or one layer by another, I tested with a single layer only) and in the "Mode" bar, click the right dropdown menu, to change from "Default" to "Legacy", then safe the file (if needed by a new name). [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ xcfinfo ~/Pictures/music/tonleiter_c_am-pentatonik.legacy.layer.xcf Version 0, 1640x525 RGB color, 1 layers, compressed RLE + 1640x525+0+0 RGB-alpha Normal Pasted Layer For testing purpose I downgrade GIMP to 2.8.22, it can't open the version 11 file, but despite a lot of soname issues (I didn't downgrade the dependenicies, too), it can open the file saved with 2.10.6. IOW it's possible to share files stored with cosmic's version of GIMP, with other users, who e.g. stay with an Ubuntu Studio LTS. -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] GIMP 2.10.6 - Was: Cosmic Release Notes
On 18 Oct 2018, at 17:39, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On 18 Oct 2018, at 13:20, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> I just downloaded the current daily build and will test GIMP 2.10 on >> Ubuntu Studio cosmic, too. I'll report back. > The computer was unused for a while, so I wasn't surprised about the screen > blanking that happened. When I wanted to start testing GIMP a few seconds > later, I needed to push Ctrl+Alt+some F key and then Ctrl+Alt+F7 to get back > the desktop. Just pushing keys, moving the mouse with and without turning off > and on the display didn't work. During a test with just a single layer, without copy and paste, just using a few tools, it did _not_ crash. I don't know if its stable, it's to time consuming to continue testing. It at least didn't crash during a not so hard test. The grid doesn't work correctly, it requires to close and open GIMP again to get new grid settings. This is what I experienced when using it on Arch Linux, too. With single window mode disabled, it's needed to select "always on to" by the dock windows each time GIMP is opened. This might be related to the DE. IIRC on Arch Linux with openbox I don't need to do it, the GIMP dock windows automatically stay on top. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] GIMP 2.10.6 - Was: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Cosmic Release Notes
On 18 Oct 2018, at 17:39, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On 18 Oct 2018, at 13:20, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> I just downloaded the current daily build and will test GIMP 2.10 on >> Ubuntu Studio cosmic, too. I'll report back. > The computer was unused for a while, so I wasn't surprised about the screen > blanking that happened. When I wanted to start testing GIMP a few seconds > later, I needed to push Ctrl+Alt+some F key and then Ctrl+Alt+F7 to get back > the desktop. Just pushing keys, moving the mouse with and without turning off > and on the display didn't work. During a test with just a single layer, without copy and paste, just using a few tools, it did _not_ crash. I don't know if its stable, it's to time consuming to continue testing. It at least didn't crash during a not so hard test. The grid doesn't work correctly, it requires to close and open GIMP again to get new grid settings. This is what I experienced when using it on Arch Linux, too. With single window mode disabled, it's needed to select "always on to" by the dock windows each time GIMP is opened. This might be related to the DE. IIRC on Arch Linux with openbox I don't need to do it, the GIMP dock windows automatically stay on top. -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] GIMP 2.10.6 - Was: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Cosmic Release Notes
> On 18 Oct 2018, at 13:20, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I just downloaded the current daily build and will test GIMP 2.10 on > Ubuntu Studio cosmic, too. I'll report back. Hi, booting 20181017.2 "Live" worked without issues, btw. nice splash screen. The desktop appeared. I like the wallpaper. The computer was unused for a while, so I wasn't surprised about the screen blanking that happened. When I wanted to start testing GIMP a few seconds later, I needed to push Ctrl+Alt+some F key and then Ctrl+Alt+F7 to get back the desktop. Just pushing keys, moving the mouse with and without turning off and on the display didn't work. FWIW this doesn't happen, if I use an Ubuntu Mate 18.04.1 Live DVD. Now I've got something else to do, but I keep the daily build running and try to test GIMP later. To be continued... Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] GIMP 2.10.6 - Was: Cosmic Release Notes
> On 18 Oct 2018, at 13:20, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > I just downloaded the current daily build and will test GIMP 2.10 on > Ubuntu Studio cosmic, too. I'll report back. Hi, booting 20181017.2 "Live" worked without issues, btw. nice splash screen. The desktop appeared. I like the wallpaper. The computer was unused for a while, so I wasn't surprised about the screen blanking that happened. When I wanted to start testing GIMP a few seconds later, I needed to push Ctrl+Alt+some F key and then Ctrl+Alt+F7 to get back the desktop. Just pushing keys, moving the mouse with and without turning off and on the display didn't work. FWIW this doesn't happen, if I use an Ubuntu Mate 18.04.1 Live DVD. Now I've got something else to do, but I keep the daily build running and try to test GIMP later. To be continued... Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
[ubuntu-studio-users] GIMP 2.10.6 - Was: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Cosmic Release Notes
On Wed, 2018-10-17 at 20:32 -0700, Hank Stanglow wrote: > On 10/17/2018 07:55 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > just a warning regarding GIMP 2.10.6. > > > > Two days ago I used it on Arch Linux. It's more or less unusable. > Oh wow, thanks for that important first hand account. I've been looking > forward to GIMP 2.10 for several months. It's a HUGE release for them > and I hope they get a stable version soon. Hi Hank, I just downloaded the current daily build and will test GIMP 2.10 on Ubuntu Studio cosmic, too. I'll report back. Apart of random crashes, on Arch Linux not everything works as expected. For example, to change the grid it's required to restart GIMP. View > [x] Show Grid Edit > Preferences > Default Image > Default Grid The Windows menu is sometimes fishy, too. If somebody else wants to test it, I added a script to download the current daily build. The script does also get the public Ubuntu keys and anything else needed, to automatically check the ISO against the _signed_ checksum. Regards, Ralf -- The GIMP related mails of the original thread: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2018-October/008954.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2018-October/008955.html ubuntustudio_current_daily_build.sh Description: application/shellscript -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
[ubuntu-studio-devel] GIMP 2.10.6 - Was: Cosmic Release Notes
On Wed, 2018-10-17 at 20:32 -0700, Hank Stanglow wrote: > On 10/17/2018 07:55 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > just a warning regarding GIMP 2.10.6. > > > > Two days ago I used it on Arch Linux. It's more or less unusable. > Oh wow, thanks for that important first hand account. I've been looking > forward to GIMP 2.10 for several months. It's a HUGE release for them > and I hope they get a stable version soon. Hi Hank, I just downloaded the current daily build and will test GIMP 2.10 on Ubuntu Studio cosmic, too. I'll report back. Apart of random crashes, on Arch Linux not everything works as expected. For example, to change the grid it's required to restart GIMP. View > [x] Show Grid Edit > Preferences > Default Image > Default Grid The Windows menu is sometimes fishy, too. If somebody else wants to test it, I added a script to download the current daily build. The script does also get the public Ubuntu keys and anything else needed, to automatically check the ISO against the _signed_ checksum. Regards, Ralf -- The GIMP related mails of the original thread: https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2018-October/008954.html https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-studio-devel/2018-October/008955.html ubuntustudio_current_daily_build.sh Description: application/shellscript -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Cosmic Release Notes
>On Oct 17, 2018, at 4:34 PM, Ross Gammon wrote: >> https://wiki.ubuntu.com/CosmicCuttlefish/ReleaseNotes/UbuntuStudio Hi, just a warning regarding GIMP 2.10.6. Two days ago I used it on Arch Linux. It's more or less unusable. It turns out that independent of the used distro GIMP 2.10.x is broken and users tend to downgrade to 2.8.x. So did I, but when I tried to open a graphic with 2.8.22, that was saved with 2.10.6, I got "XCF error: unsupported XCF file version 11 encountered". I didn't test, if switching all layers from "default" to "legacy" mode or another workaround and than saving the file with 2.10.6, allows to open it with GIMP 2.8. However, weather GIMP 2.10 is or is not broken, I would add a note to the the release notes, since backwards compatibility could be important, even if GIMP 2.10 should be stable. Users might work on a project and share files between different graphic apps or at least different GIMP releases, on different Linux distros, different operating systems or just different Ubuntu releases. Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] [ubuntu-studio-devel] Fwd: Non-final, but very testable (hint, hint) Cosmic RC builds
On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 20:56:14 -0500, Glenn Holmer wrote:
>I thought I might get a more relevant and complete answer
>from the people actually using Ubuntu Studio.
Ross and I provided the relevant and complete description.
Ross Gammon wrote: "It allows you to change your audio settings."
Ralf Mardorf wrote: "Ubuntu Studio Controls is a consolidated location
where several audio/video system settings can be set" -
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioControls
"$ apt show '*studio-controls' 2>/dev/null|tail -3
Description: Ubuntu Studio Controls is a small application that
enables/disables realtime privilege for users"
>In fact, you were probably in diapers when I learned to code.
This could be possible, but I probably didn't wear diapers anymore, when
ARPANET was established.
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[ubuntu-studio-users] Assume good faith - Was: Non-final, but very testable (hint, hint) Cosmic RC builds
On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 10:10:43 -0700, Erich Eickmeyer wrote: >Using "Let Me Google That" is not welcome here. Hi, there is no such Ubuntu mailing list policy, but Ubuntu related mailing lists follow the "assume good faith" approach. The Internet, Linux in general and Ubuntu provide several tools, that help a user to get information. Regarding the request of the original thread it's essential to help users becoming aware of those tools and how to use them. Sometimes information that helps a lot isn't optimal. However, the Internet provides search engines. Linux comes with so called 'man pages' (manual pages) for a lot of software, so it doesn't harm to recommend a search engine and to provide a helpful search term. "Let Me Google That" could be misused as a passive-aggressive tactics, but using it not necessarily is a passive-aggressive tactics. Linux in general provides the command [weremouse@moonstudio ~]$ apropos 'apropos' apropos (1) - search the manual page names and descriptions not useful in case of the original thread. Ubuntu flavour default installs provide the easy to use tool 'apt' that unfortunately isn't well documented yet (other distros provide the same or similar tools), that's why I added the PS. We had a discussion about http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html on the Ubuntu users mailing list, since this is a good as well as an ambivalent help. On Fri, 24 Aug 2018 12:03:33 +0100, Peter Flynn wrote: >On 24/08/18 11:38, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Fri, 24 Aug 2018 11:04:40 +0100, Peter Flynn wrote: >>>>>> Ralf Mardorf wrote: >>>>>>> Please read >>>>>>> http://www.catb.org/esr/faqs/smart-questions.html . >>> It needs condensing (tl;dr) or we need a more concise and >>> up-to-date page to refer users to. >> >> I agree on Nils's as well as on your opinion. The link is >> "intimidating" and way too long, containing a lot of irrelevant >> information and a few insults. > > [snip] > >> However, it's a link much used, since >> it's not easy to find a better explanation. > >Indeed it's not, and I should probably get off my hobbyhorse and >re-write the damn thing :-) > >///Peter The complete mail and thread are available at https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-users/2018-August/294907.html Other than "Let Me Google That" the famous "smart questions" link suffers from a few issues, such as insults. Hopefully somebody does re-write it soon, but as long as there is no alternative, it's still a helpful text and many people provide this link without a bad intention. Btw. when I wrote my reply, nobody else had replied. Yes, there is a reply that was sent before I sent my reply, but it wasn't when I started writing. Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] [ubuntu-studio-devel] Fwd: Non-final, but very testable (hint, hint) Cosmic RC builds
On Mon, 2018-10-15 at 10:10 -0700, Erich Eickmeyer wrote: > On 10/15/2018 9:58 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote: > > On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 09:49:16 -0500, Glenn Holmer wrote: > > > On 10/14/2018 11:03 AM, Len Ovens wrote: > > > > In particular, ubuntustudio-controls has had the most changes. Please > > > > test it to death. > > > What exactly is that? > > Hi, > > > > http://www.letmegooglethat.com/?q=man+ubuntustudio-controls > Ralf, > > In the future, please refrain from using passive-aggressive tactics to > help someone. Using "Let Me Google That" is not welcome here. > > Remember, you don't have to answer every question, nor should you be > involved in every discussion. You consider it "passive-aggressive tactics" to help somebody learning how to get help/answers easily by using a search engine? Are you feeling alright? -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] [ubuntu-studio-devel] Fwd: Non-final, but very testable (hint, hint) Cosmic RC builds
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-users] [ubuntu-studio-devel] Fwd: Non-final, but very testable (hint, hint) Cosmic RC builds
On Mon, 15 Oct 2018 09:49:16 -0500, Glenn Holmer wrote: >On 10/14/2018 11:03 AM, Len Ovens wrote: >> In particular, ubuntustudio-controls has had the most changes. Please >> test it to death. > >What exactly is that? Hi, http://www.letmegooglethat.com/?q=man+ubuntustudio-controls There seems to be no man page, but the first hit leads to the obsolete UbuntuStudioControls Wiki page, that even while being obsolete, does answer your question. "Ubuntu Studio Controls is a consolidated location where several audio/video system settings can be set" - https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudioControls Regards, Ralf -- ubuntu-studio-users mailing list ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] availability of alternate DEs
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 06:59:29 +, jaquil...@eagleeyet.net wrote: >On 2018-10-11 06:43, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >> On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 06:31:01 +0200, Jonathan Aquilina wrote: >>> If the below is accurate what issues could be encountered in terms >>> of configuration? >> >> For example an incomplete "NotShowIn" list for desktop files. >> >> [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ grep NotShowIn >> /etc/xdg/autostart/xfce4-power-manager.desktop >> NotShowIn=GNOME;KDE;Unity;MATE; >> >> For example the preferences of a file manager are set to manage the >> desktop and launching this file manager by a menu based on desktop >> files, it gets launched without a no-desktop option. >> >> [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ grep Exec >> /usr/share/applications/caja.desktop >> Exec=caja >> [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ caja --help | grep no-desktop >> --no-desktopDo not manage the desktop (ignore >> the preference set in the preferences dialog). >> >> Those are trivial issues for power users, but a newbie could be >> confused. >What would need to be done to cater for the newbies? That's hard to say, since there are other config issues, such as averaged settings for apps that a user might want to use with different desktop environments, but by using different setting profiles. 1. Not all apps provide profiles. 2. Those apps that provide profiles, default to one profile. I've written scripts to generate profiles even for window manager sessions. A user could start different openbox sessions or a jwm session by using different GTK, Qt and whatsoever settings, for example: $ ls -hAl .gtkrc-2.0 lrwxrwxrwx 1 rocketmouse rocketmouse 42 Oct 11 10:06 .gtkrc-2.0 -> .gtkrc-2.0_openbox-profile-lcd-realignment .gtkrc-2.0 isn't a file, it's a softlink generated when logging in. For example: [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ grep Exec /usr/share/xsessions/openbox-lcd-realignment.desktop | head -1 Exec=/usr/local/bin/openbox-profile-lcd-realignment [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ grep Exec /usr/share/xsessions/openbox-pre-summery.desktop | head -1 Exec=/usr/local/bin/openbox-profile-pre-summery [rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ ls -hAl /usr/local/bin/openbox-profile-lcd-realignment /usr/local/bin/openbox-profile-pre-summery lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 Aug 13 2017 /usr/local/bin/openbox-profile-lcd-realignment -> openbox-profile lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 15 May 4 2015 /usr/local/bin/openbox-profile-pre-summery -> openbox-profile lightdm among other does provide the above sessions using the /usr/share/xsessions/*.desktop files. In /usr/local/bin/ are links against a script named openbox-profile. Depending on the basename of the links, the script does things such as e.g. generating a links to a .gtkrc-2.0 profile. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] availability of alternate DEs
On Thu, 11 Oct 2018 06:31:01 +0200, Jonathan Aquilina wrote:
>If the below is accurate what issues could be encountered in terms of
>configuration?
For example an incomplete "NotShowIn" list for desktop files.
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ grep NotShowIn
/etc/xdg/autostart/xfce4-power-manager.desktop
NotShowIn=GNOME;KDE;Unity;MATE;
For example the preferences of a file manager are set to manage the
desktop and launching this file manager by a menu based on desktop
files, it gets launched without a no-desktop option.
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ grep Exec /usr/share/applications/caja.desktop
Exec=caja
[rocketmouse@archlinux ~]$ caja --help | grep no-desktop
--no-desktopDo not manage the desktop (ignore the
preference set in the preferences dialog).
Those are trivial issues for power users, but a newbie could be
confused.
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] availability of alternate DEs
On Sun, 07 Oct 2018 22:22:08 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >let alone of e.g. panels that might be replaced after using a file >manager of another desktop environment. this should read panels _and wallpapers_ ;) -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] availability of alternate DEs
On Sun, 2018-10-07 at 15:48 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: > The main issue I have seen is having to tweak startup prograns from a > session's > control panel to keep multiple copies of the desktop icons from being > displayed > by multiple file managers. I have MATE, GNOME, and Cinnamon installed and > can configure any one of them at a time to properly show the desktop, but not > seamlessly session switch without having to either start or kill a file > manager > from the alt-F2 dialog. So trivial for me I think little of it but yeah this > could > flummox a new user. In my first reply I ignored the underlying WM, lets ignore it now, too, but handling of a "desktop", resp. the way ~/Desktop is displayed, is a serious issue for inexperienced users, let alone of e.g. panels that might be replaced after using a file manager of another desktop environment. Usually such issues don't happen, but very seldom, still way too often, they could happen. There are more geekish pitfalls, such as using a GTK based environment, such as e.g. Xfce, that by default does ship with GVFS, but also allow usage without GVFS. Once you e.g. run k3b, you could run into issues caused by the KDE replacement of GVFS, even while you explicitly use Xfce without GVFS, to avoid killing of external green drives. Desktop environments could ship with a lot of crap that even could damage hardware, like e.g. GVFS does, but users don't notice it. If you fix one WM and DE to your needs, it doesn't mean that just because you don't notice an issue while installing an additional WM and DE or even software that belongs to another DE, couldn't launch software that could be dangerous. Continually spinning down and up external green drives are caused by GVFS. If you are using Xfce, you could remove GVFS without a trick, to remove it for GNOME, Mate and Cinnamon, you at least need to build a dummy packge, that fakes to fulfill the completely unneeded dependency to GVFS. Once you launched a KDE app, some KDE thingy likely makes your external green drive spin down and up again and again. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] availability of alternate DEs
On Sun, 7 Oct 2018 21:42:36 +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote: >I would reduce it to switching between window mangers, never does cause >an issue Oops, my apologies, even this isn't true :D. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] availability of alternate DEs
On Sun, 07 Oct 2018 15:27:25 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote: >Most DE's are designed not to conflict with any other DE Yesno :D, for some more or less exceptional cases, regarding so called major DEs, you and I know better :p. A "conflict" might not be the right term for some issues, users could experience. I would reduce it to switching between window mangers, never does cause an issue, but switching between desktop environments not necessarily does, but always could come with a pitfall. -- ubuntu-studio-devel mailing list ubuntu-studio-devel@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-devel
