Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[Xen]

I had been wanting to say: If you are that enthusiast about it, by all 
means go ahead by now ;-). It might come to an interesting conversation 
and it is a courageous thing to do nonetheless. After all, this person 
is apparently a Gnome Ubuntu user and you'd get your side of the story ;-).


Well..

Bye.

Keith I Myers schreef op 23-6-2015 om 14:54:

Hello All,
Sorry for being so quiet over the past 12 hours, busy day at the office.

Based on everyone's feedback, I will hold off on making any contact 
for the time being.


On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:52 AM, Tim > wrote:




On 23/06/15 01:49, Erick Brunzell wrote:
> Hi Keith, I suggest we just drop this. Please read below:

+1, I really don't see the point in even contacting the seller.
Just forget about it!




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Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[Keith I Myers]

Hello All,
Sorry for being so quiet over the past 12 hours, busy day at the office.

Based on everyone's feedback, I will hold off on making any contact for the
time being.

On Tue, Jun 23, 2015 at 3:52 AM, Tim  wrote:

>
>
> On 23/06/15 01:49, Erick Brunzell wrote:
> > Hi Keith, I suggest we just drop this. Please read below:
>
> +1, I really don't see the point in even contacting the seller. Just
> forget about it!
>
>


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Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[Patrik Bubák]

The artwork team is working on everything now - installer, logo, website, 
wallpapers, I even want a Firefox theme if you will (as soon as I figure out 
how to do it) for a complete personalized desktop experience. It's a small 
extra, but it would be nice.



We know people want to see results, but real life comes first. Some of us had 
their exams and some have work way over their head.



We're currently discussing the final stages of some projects. Yesterday I 
started modifying our pictograms and soon I'll have a look at ubiquity.



As far as the logo is concerned, borrowing GNOME's was a mistake from day 1. 
It's highly confusing, and due to its complexity difficult to work with, plus 
using someone else's logo as our own isn't quite all right, even though certain 
permissions have been given it will never be clear unless it's completely 
changed, which it will, soon.



Rule of thumb: Changing somebody else's trademark is a no go and is often a 
violation (many entities have an explicit statement, that altering their 
identity is strictly prohibited). An identity is a unique representation of a 
product/company. Using somebody else's should only be done in full context with 
no modifications and w/ permission.



Personally, I don't (entirely) agree with what Xubuntu and Ubuntu MATE did 
(technically they violate some rules, because they have modified somebody 
else's logo and used it to represent themselves), but if those whose identities 
were forked don't object, neither can anyone else.



As far as the the Craiglist issue goes, we should drop it. Unless it's someone 
earning a fortune and literally claiming the product as their own it's not an 
issue.




Nothing ruins creativity like too many voices weighing in. We call it the Ice 
Cream Principle. Tell 10 people to go get ice cream with one condition: they 
all have to agree on one flavour. That flavour is going to be chocolate or 
vanilla every time. Groups of people don't agree on what's cool or interesting, 
they agree on what's easy to agree on.



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Subject: Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30
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On 23/06/15 09:36, Andrés Muñiz Piniella wrote:
> But while on the subject of legalities and such, is gnome going to be one of 
> the official trademarks ? Is that what the new Logo going to be for?
>
> http://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/intellectual-property-policy
The full logo has approval from both Canonical and the GNOME foundation and is 
fully legit.
The problem is that the GNOME foundation wont allow us to use the roundel by 
itself, i.e like what you see on the plymouth boot splash screen,
since it looses the context of 'Ubuntu'. This is a particular problem on social 
media sites and what not.

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Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[Tim]

On 23/06/15 09:36, Andrés Muñiz Piniella wrote:
> But while on the subject of legalities and such, is gnome going to be one of 
> the official trademarks  ? Is that what the new Logo going to be for?
>
> http://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/intellectual-property-policy
The full logo has approval from both Canonical and the GNOME foundation and is 
fully legit.
The problem is that the GNOME foundation wont allow us to use the roundel by 
itself, i.e like what you see on the plymouth boot splash screen,
since it looses the context of 'Ubuntu'. This is a particular problem on social 
media sites and what not.

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Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[Tim]

On 23/06/15 01:49, Erick Brunzell wrote:
> Hi Keith, I suggest we just drop this. Please read below:

+1, I really don't see the point in even contacting the seller. Just forget 
about it!


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Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[Andrés Muñiz Piniella]

El 22 de junio de 2015 15:10:39 GMT+01:00, David Gonzalez 
 escribió:
>Seems a lot of people are getting riled up for nothing here. Keep calm,
>and keep reporting bugs to further polish Ubuntu GNOME? ;) Geez...
>

5 or so bug reports sent automatically in the last 2 days. Bug reporting seems 
too easy! ;)

>Just to recap, citing Tim that left this:
>---
>
>
>"While Ubuntu will not charge licence fees for this distribution, you
>might want to charge to print Ubuntu CDs, or create your own customised
>versions of Ubuntu which you sell, and should have the freedom to do
>so."
>
>
>---
>
>
Agreed! And what an awesome distro it is. I remember reading an Interview with 
stormy peters about how new gnome3 was going to be, unlike anything else! It 
is! Thank you for your hard work in making this available! I really did not 
want to use fedora or having the crazy hybrid of unity/gnome3 I had for some 
time.

But while on the subject of legalities and such, is gnome going to be one of 
the official trademarks  ? Is that what the new Logo going to be for?

http://www.ubuntu.com/legal/terms-and-policies/intellectual-property-policy







>
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2015 09:52:20 -0400
>Xen wrote  
>
>  Dude,
> 
> Don't go through all this trouble? You have nothing better to do?
> 
>Are you seriously going to go after every single 'offender' in your
>eyes that sells 'free' software? Of course the ones doing it should be
>the ones making money. Not other people trying to make a buck out of
>other people's work. I understand that. The whole Softpedia article is
>a blowup. It's just funny. People get attracted to that story.
> 
>But it doesn't mean much, except that it inspired a kind of debate
>about how to make money on selling or converting or installing Ubuntu
>(Gnome), which I find interesting ;-).
> 
> Regards, and good luck.
> 
> 
> Keith I Myers schreef op 22-6-2015 om 15:46:
> 
>xqx_buxnpavxxn7jnkktu7nf_-_...@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"> Hello
>All, I will be reaching out to this person this afternoon to try to get
>his side of the story. We will all agree that the posting on CraigsList
>is extremely vague and leaves A LOT of room for speculation and the
>article on Softpedia covering the story was written in a way that it
>could incite anger, lets not fall for it until we get both sides of the
>story. A journalist should NEVER publish a one sided story without at
>least making an attempt to reach out to the other party involved.  Lets
>not question this persons intelligence or resort to insults. 
> 
> 
>If this person is actually charging users $30.00 to install Ubuntu
>Gnome on their machine and make sure everything works, then this person
>is doing nothing wrong and in many ways should be an inspiration to the
>community as this person is helping to spread Ubuntu Gnome to his local
>area. I personally would love to see such grass-root businesses spring
>up all over the place to not only do the install but also provide
>support. If this is the case, I will ask this person to re-write the
>CraigsList posting to be much more clear and in a way that it respects
>the Ubuntu and Gnome trademarks. 
> 
> 
>However if this person is simply downloading the ISO and burning it to
>a DVD/Flash Drive then I will try my best to educate him about the
>ethical issues of selling "free software". I would ask that he
>discontinue this and if it does continue then we will need to decide
>our next steps.
> 
> 
>I will try to reach out to this person after my morning meetings and
>report back to the community with what happens. 
> 
> 
>On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Tim  wrote:
> 
> 
> On 22/06/15 21:36, Andrés Muñiz Piniella wrote:
> >
>> El 22 de junio de 2015 10:35:58 GMT+01:00, Tim
> escribió:
> >> Why is everyone getting so worked up about this?
> >
> > Actually from reading  this
> >
> > http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/licensing
> its even stated on that page, and I quote
>"While Ubuntu will not charge licence fees for this distribution, you
>might want to charge to print Ubuntu CDs, or create your own customised
>versions of Ubuntu which you sell, and should have the freedom to do
>so."
> 
>Of course they have tightened up the trademark rules a bit since that
>was written, however it should still apply to unmodified images.
> 
> >
> > And listening to the interview here
>>
>http://linuxluddites.com/ogg/podcast-43-ogg/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LinuxLudditesOgg+%28Linux+Luddites+%C2%BB+Ogg%29
>I don't have time to listen to random interviews, but really I don't
>see what all fuss is about. Softpedia are click-baiting and hyping
>things
>up. But what would I know, I'm only the co-founder and Technical lead
>of Ubuntu GNOME
>  >
> >
> 
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Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[Erick Brunzell]

Hi Keith, I suggest we just drop this. Please read below:

On 06/22/2015 08:46 AM, Keith I Myers wrote:

Hello All,
I will be reaching out to this person this afternoon to try to get his 
side of the story. We will all agree that the posting on CraigsList is 
extremely vague and leaves A LOT of room for speculation and the 
article on Softpedia covering the story was written in a way that it 
could incite anger, lets not fall for it until we get both sides of 
the story. A journalist should NEVER publish a one sided story without 
at least making an attempt to reach out to the other party involved.  
Lets not question this persons intelligence or resort to insults.


If this person is actually charging users $30.00 to install Ubuntu 
Gnome on their machine and make sure everything works, then this 
person is doing nothing wrong and in many ways should be an 
inspiration to the community as this person is helping to spread 
Ubuntu Gnome to his local area. I personally would love to see such 
grass-root businesses spring up all over the place to not only do the 
install but also provide support. If this is the case, I will ask this 
person to re-write the CraigsList posting to be much more clear and in 
a way that it respects the Ubuntu and Gnome trademarks.


We don't know what the person's limitations might be  maybe 
English is not his/her native language. Why stir the pot? Is he actually 
doing anyone any harm? Has anyone actually complained that they've been 
negatively impacted (aka; ripped off)?


I truly suggest we just drop this to avoid sounding like a bunch of kids 
fighting over who gets to use the sand box.


Lance



However if this person is simply downloading the ISO and burning it to 
a DVD/Flash Drive then I will try my best to educate him about the 
ethical issues of selling "free software". I would ask that he 
discontinue this and if it does continue then we will need to decide 
our next steps.


Even then I see no real problem. I've created a vast number of live 
DVD's at no cost to the recipient, but I do accept donations to cover my 
out-of-pocket costs. Live USB's w/persistence are a different story. The 
cost of USB sticks varies greatly but $30 is about what I charge for a 
32GB live USB, again just to recover my out-of-pocket costs and a bit 
for my time.




I will try to reach out to this person after my morning meetings and 
report back to the community with what happens.


On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Tim > wrote:




On 22/06/15 21:36, Andrés Muñiz Piniella wrote:
>
> El 22 de junio de 2015 10:35:58 GMT+01:00, Tim
mailto:dark...@fastmail.fm>> escribió:
>> Why is everyone getting so worked up about this?
>
> Actually from reading  this
>
> http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/licensing
its even stated on that page, and I quote
"While Ubuntu will not charge licence fees for this distribution,
you might want to charge to print Ubuntu CDs, or create your own
customised
versions of Ubuntu which you sell, and should have the freedom to
do so."

Of course they have tightened up the trademark rules a bit since
that was written, however it should still apply to unmodified images.

>
> And listening to the interview here
>

http://linuxluddites.com/ogg/podcast-43-ogg/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LinuxLudditesOgg+%28Linux+Luddites+%C2%BB+Ogg%29
I don't have time to listen to random interviews, but really I
don't see what all fuss is about. Softpedia are click-baiting and
hyping things
up. But what would I know, I'm only the co-founder and Technical
lead of Ubuntu GNOME
>
>


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Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[David Gonzalez]

Seems a lot of people are getting riled up for nothing here. Keep calm, and 
keep reporting bugs to further polish Ubuntu GNOME? ;) Geez...

Just to recap, citing Tim that left this:
---


"While Ubuntu will not charge licence fees for this distribution, you might 
want to charge to print Ubuntu CDs, or create your own customised
versions of Ubuntu which you sell, and should have the freedom to do so."


---


You can also sell GPL software and anything under MIT/BSD, etc. This isn't 
something new, maybe to the new users. There are better things to worry about 
than keeping a look out on people that sells GNU/Linux distributions on 
DVD/CD/any type of media, imho.



 On Mon, 22 Jun 2015 09:52:20 -0400 Xen 
wrote  

  Dude,
 
 Don't go through all this trouble? You have nothing better to do?
 
 Are you seriously going to go after every single 'offender' in your eyes that 
sells 'free' software? Of course the ones doing it should be the ones making 
money. Not other people trying to make a buck out of other people's work. I 
understand that. The whole Softpedia article is a blowup. It's just funny. 
People get attracted to that story.
 
 But it doesn't mean much, except that it inspired a kind of debate about how 
to make money on selling or converting or installing Ubuntu (Gnome), which I 
find interesting ;-).
 
 Regards, and good luck.
 
 
 Keith I Myers schreef op 22-6-2015 om 15:46:
 
 xqx_buxnpavxxn7jnkktu7nf_-_...@mail.gmail.com" type="cite"> Hello All, I 
will be reaching out to this person this afternoon to try to get his side of 
the story. We will all agree that the posting on CraigsList is extremely vague 
and leaves A LOT of room for speculation and the article on Softpedia covering 
the story was written in a way that it could incite anger, lets not fall for it 
until we get both sides of the story. A journalist should NEVER publish a one 
sided story without at least making an attempt to reach out to the other party 
involved.  Lets not question this persons intelligence or resort to insults. 
 
 
 If this person is actually charging users $30.00 to install Ubuntu Gnome on 
their machine and make sure everything works, then this person is doing nothing 
wrong and in many ways should be an inspiration to the community as this person 
is helping to spread Ubuntu Gnome to his local area. I personally would love to 
see such grass-root businesses spring up all over the place to not only do the 
install but also provide support. If this is the case, I will ask this person 
to re-write the CraigsList posting to be much more clear and in a way that it 
respects the Ubuntu and Gnome trademarks. 
 
 
 However if this person is simply downloading the ISO and burning it to a 
DVD/Flash Drive then I will try my best to educate him about the ethical issues 
of selling "free software". I would ask that he discontinue this and if it does 
continue then we will need to decide our next steps.
 
 
 I will try to reach out to this person after my morning meetings and report 
back to the community with what happens. 
 
 
 On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Tim  wrote:
 
 
 On 22/06/15 21:36, Andrés Muñiz Piniella wrote:
 >
 > El 22 de junio de 2015 10:35:58 GMT+01:00, Tim 
 escribió:
 >> Why is everyone getting so worked up about this?
 >
 > Actually from reading  this
 >
 > http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/licensing
 its even stated on that page, and I quote
 "While Ubuntu will not charge licence fees for this distribution, you might 
want to charge to print Ubuntu CDs, or create your own customised
 versions of Ubuntu which you sell, and should have the freedom to do so."
 
 Of course they have tightened up the trademark rules a bit since that was 
written, however it should still apply to unmodified images.
 
 >
 > And listening to the interview here
 > 
http://linuxluddites.com/ogg/podcast-43-ogg/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LinuxLudditesOgg+%28Linux+Luddites+%C2%BB+Ogg%29
 I don't have time to listen to random interviews, but really I don't see what 
all fuss is about. Softpedia are click-baiting and hyping things
 up. But what would I know, I'm only the co-founder and Technical lead of 
Ubuntu GNOME
  >
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Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[Xen]

Dude,

Don't go through all this trouble? You have nothing better to do?

Are you seriously going to go after every single 'offender' in your eyes 
that sells 'free' software? Of course the ones doing it should be the 
ones making money. Not other people trying to make a buck out of other 
people's work. I understand that. The whole Softpedia article is a 
blowup. It's just funny. People get attracted to that story.


But it doesn't mean much, except that it inspired a kind of debate about 
how to make money on selling or converting or installing Ubuntu (Gnome), 
which I find interesting ;-).


Regards, and good luck.


Keith I Myers schreef op 22-6-2015 om 15:46:

Hello All,
I will be reaching out to this person this afternoon to try to get his 
side of the story. We will all agree that the posting on CraigsList is 
extremely vague and leaves A LOT of room for speculation and the 
article on Softpedia covering the story was written in a way that it 
could incite anger, lets not fall for it until we get both sides of 
the story. A journalist should NEVER publish a one sided story without 
at least making an attempt to reach out to the other party involved.  
Lets not question this persons intelligence or resort to insults.


If this person is actually charging users $30.00 to install Ubuntu 
Gnome on their machine and make sure everything works, then this 
person is doing nothing wrong and in many ways should be an 
inspiration to the community as this person is helping to spread 
Ubuntu Gnome to his local area. I personally would love to see such 
grass-root businesses spring up all over the place to not only do the 
install but also provide support. If this is the case, I will ask this 
person to re-write the CraigsList posting to be much more clear and in 
a way that it respects the Ubuntu and Gnome trademarks.


However if this person is simply downloading the ISO and burning it to 
a DVD/Flash Drive then I will try my best to educate him about the 
ethical issues of selling "free software". I would ask that he 
discontinue this and if it does continue then we will need to decide 
our next steps.


I will try to reach out to this person after my morning meetings and 
report back to the community with what happens.


On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Tim > wrote:




On 22/06/15 21:36, Andrés Muñiz Piniella wrote:
>
> El 22 de junio de 2015 10:35:58 GMT+01:00, Tim
mailto:dark...@fastmail.fm>> escribió:
>> Why is everyone getting so worked up about this?
>
> Actually from reading  this
>
> http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/licensing
its even stated on that page, and I quote
"While Ubuntu will not charge licence fees for this distribution,
you might want to charge to print Ubuntu CDs, or create your own
customised
versions of Ubuntu which you sell, and should have the freedom to
do so."

Of course they have tightened up the trademark rules a bit since
that was written, however it should still apply to unmodified images.

>
> And listening to the interview here
>

http://linuxluddites.com/ogg/podcast-43-ogg/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LinuxLudditesOgg+%28Linux+Luddites+%C2%BB+Ogg%29
I don't have time to listen to random interviews, but really I
don't see what all fuss is about. Softpedia are click-baiting and
hyping things
up. But what would I know, I'm only the co-founder and Technical
lead of Ubuntu GNOME
>
>


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Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[Satyajit Sahoo]

There is no ethical issues with selling free software. Lots of companies
distribute free software in CD or DVD. I think we're unnecessarily wasting
time on this.

Satyajit Sahoo
UX Designer
Behance Profile 

We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh? — The Doctor,
Season 5, Episode 13.

On 22 June 2015 at 19:16, Keith I Myers  wrote:

> Hello All,
> I will be reaching out to this person this afternoon to try to get his
> side of the story. We will all agree that the posting on CraigsList is
> extremely vague and leaves A LOT of room for speculation and the article on
> Softpedia covering the story was written in a way that it could incite
> anger, lets not fall for it until we get both sides of the story. A
> journalist should NEVER publish a one sided story without at least making
> an attempt to reach out to the other party involved.  Lets not question
> this persons intelligence or resort to insults.
>
> If this person is actually charging users $30.00 to install Ubuntu Gnome
> on their machine and make sure everything works, then this person is doing
> nothing wrong and in many ways should be an inspiration to the community as
> this person is helping to spread Ubuntu Gnome to his local area. I
> personally would love to see such grass-root businesses spring up all over
> the place to not only do the install but also provide support. If this is
> the case, I will ask this person to re-write the CraigsList posting to be
> much more clear and in a way that it respects the Ubuntu and Gnome
> trademarks.
>
> However if this person is simply downloading the ISO and burning it to a
> DVD/Flash Drive then I will try my best to educate him about the ethical
> issues of selling "free software". I would ask that he discontinue this and
> if it does continue then we will need to decide our next steps.
>
> I will try to reach out to this person after my morning meetings and
> report back to the community with what happens.
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Tim  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On 22/06/15 21:36, Andrés Muñiz Piniella wrote:
>> >
>> > El 22 de junio de 2015 10:35:58 GMT+01:00, Tim 
>> escribió:
>> >> Why is everyone getting so worked up about this?
>> >
>> > Actually from reading  this
>> >
>> > http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/licensing
>> its even stated on that page, and I quote
>> "While Ubuntu will not charge licence fees for this distribution, you
>> might want to charge to print Ubuntu CDs, or create your own customised
>> versions of Ubuntu which you sell, and should have the freedom to do so."
>>
>> Of course they have tightened up the trademark rules a bit since that was
>> written, however it should still apply to unmodified images.
>>
>> >
>> > And listening to the interview here
>> >
>> http://linuxluddites.com/ogg/podcast-43-ogg/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LinuxLudditesOgg+%28Linux+Luddites+%C2%BB+Ogg%29
>> I don't have time to listen to random interviews, but really I don't see
>> what all fuss is about. Softpedia are click-baiting and hyping things
>> up. But what would I know, I'm only the co-founder and Technical lead of
>> Ubuntu GNOME
>> >
>> >
>>
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Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[Xen]

I don't think "doing it solely for your own good" contradicts doing 
something that might be of benefit to some others, as if you have to 
take the interests of those others into account before you start doing 
something.


The highest good anyone can does for himself or herself is also the 
highest good for everyone else. You don't have to take into 
consideration all of the interests for all of the other parties before 
you start doing your thing. That aside, probably doing someone a 
service, thinking that the product might be of use to someone, is good 
enough in itself.


But I don't think the person is trying to sell a copy of Ubuntu Gnome, 
as the other author mentioned. I think the person is trying to sell a 
complete system that has Ubuntu Gnome installed on it, and actually the 
wording is so bad that you can't distinguish between the two.


I think the best service you can do to this person is to help him 
clarify what he wants to sell, but that aside, it's not like there's a 
monumental problem here; the guy wrote a bad ad.


There are people selling copies of Ubuntu Linux (and other derivatives 
or distributions) and I know there is one in the Netherlands and he is 
actually doing a service to people who cannot download or burn 
themselves. There are also people I believe on Amazon or Similar in the 
USA doing the same thing. You buy a small package for a small price, 
usually around $8 or $10, and you get a DVD sent to you.


You can end up in situations in life where the simple means of burning a 
disc yourself can be unavailable to you.


Then having a DVD sent to you is a real help.

Regards,

Patrik Bubák schreef op 22-6-2015 om 10:18:
/"This Not Windows But It runs smooth. More Like Apple mac os x Type. 
Linux Operating System. Just Boot from Start Up Screen Or Desktop."/ - 
who the heck wrote this sentence? An elementary school drop out?



I think you guys fail to see the point that this person might solely 
be doing it for their own good.


Just look at the grammar. Do you honestly think they might actually be 
doing the community a service by "spreading the word" this way? 
Without a proper product presentation the one offering this doesn't 
sound like an honest entity.


If I were to profit from offering any kind of services involving UG I 
would definitely make it look professional, not posting one sentence 
as written by Tarzan.


Nothing ruins creativity like too many voices weighing in. We call it 
the /Ice Cream Principle/. Tell 10 people to go get ice cream with one 
condition: they all have to agree on one flavour. That flavour is 
going to be chocolate or vanilla every time. Groups of people don't 
agree on what's cool or interesting, they agree on what's easy to 
agree on.



 Original Message 
Subject: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist
for $30
Time (GMT): Jun 22 2015 03:47:33
From: amjja...@gnome.org
To: ubuntu-gnome@lists.ubuntu.com

Hi everyone,

I found this tweet on Twitter:
https://twitter.com/Softpedia/status/612791924282540033

The article:

http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Someone-Tries-to-Sell-Ubuntu-GNOME-Linux-OS-on-Craigslist-for-30-484867.shtml?utm_content=bufferb8c51&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

Here is the ad:
http://fayetteville.craigslist.org/sys/5040249435.html

When you click on "Reply" and tell the website that you're not a
bot/machine, you'll get the number of the person who published
that ad 29 days ago!

Could someone who lives in USA to contact that person and
understand what is going on?!

As a person who respects privacy, I am not going to publish
his/her number here on a public mailing list.

I'll be waiting for someone's reply to this :)

Thank you!

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Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[Keith I Myers]

Hello All,
I will be reaching out to this person this afternoon to try to get his side
of the story. We will all agree that the posting on CraigsList is extremely
vague and leaves A LOT of room for speculation and the article on Softpedia
covering the story was written in a way that it could incite anger, lets
not fall for it until we get both sides of the story. A journalist should
NEVER publish a one sided story without at least making an attempt to reach
out to the other party involved.  Lets not question this persons
intelligence or resort to insults.

If this person is actually charging users $30.00 to install Ubuntu Gnome on
their machine and make sure everything works, then this person is doing
nothing wrong and in many ways should be an inspiration to the community as
this person is helping to spread Ubuntu Gnome to his local area. I
personally would love to see such grass-root businesses spring up all over
the place to not only do the install but also provide support. If this is
the case, I will ask this person to re-write the CraigsList posting to be
much more clear and in a way that it respects the Ubuntu and Gnome
trademarks.

However if this person is simply downloading the ISO and burning it to a
DVD/Flash Drive then I will try my best to educate him about the ethical
issues of selling "free software". I would ask that he discontinue this and
if it does continue then we will need to decide our next steps.

I will try to reach out to this person after my morning meetings and report
back to the community with what happens.

On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 8:18 AM, Tim  wrote:

>
>
> On 22/06/15 21:36, Andrés Muñiz Piniella wrote:
> >
> > El 22 de junio de 2015 10:35:58 GMT+01:00, Tim 
> escribió:
> >> Why is everyone getting so worked up about this?
> >
> > Actually from reading  this
> >
> > http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/licensing
> its even stated on that page, and I quote
> "While Ubuntu will not charge licence fees for this distribution, you
> might want to charge to print Ubuntu CDs, or create your own customised
> versions of Ubuntu which you sell, and should have the freedom to do so."
>
> Of course they have tightened up the trademark rules a bit since that was
> written, however it should still apply to unmodified images.
>
> >
> > And listening to the interview here
> >
> http://linuxluddites.com/ogg/podcast-43-ogg/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LinuxLudditesOgg+%28Linux+Luddites+%C2%BB+Ogg%29
> I don't have time to listen to random interviews, but really I don't see
> what all fuss is about. Softpedia are click-baiting and hyping things
> up. But what would I know, I'm only the co-founder and Technical lead of
> Ubuntu GNOME
> >
> >
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Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[Tim]

On 22/06/15 21:36, Andrés Muñiz Piniella wrote:
>
> El 22 de junio de 2015 10:35:58 GMT+01:00, Tim  escribió:
>> Why is everyone getting so worked up about this?
>
> Actually from reading  this
>
> http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/licensing
its even stated on that page, and I quote
"While Ubuntu will not charge licence fees for this distribution, you might 
want to charge to print Ubuntu CDs, or create your own customised
versions of Ubuntu which you sell, and should have the freedom to do so."

Of course they have tightened up the trademark rules a bit since that was 
written, however it should still apply to unmodified images.

>
> And listening to the interview here
> http://linuxluddites.com/ogg/podcast-43-ogg/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LinuxLudditesOgg+%28Linux+Luddites+%C2%BB+Ogg%29
I don't have time to listen to random interviews, but really I don't see what 
all fuss is about. Softpedia are click-baiting and hyping things
up. But what would I know, I'm only the co-founder and Technical lead of Ubuntu 
GNOME
>
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Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[Andrés Muñiz Piniella]

El 22 de junio de 2015 10:35:58 GMT+01:00, Tim  escribió:
>Why is everyone getting so worked up about this?


Actually from reading  this

http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/licensing

And listening to the interview here
http://linuxluddites.com/ogg/podcast-43-ogg/?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+LinuxLudditesOgg+%28Linux+Luddites+%C2%BB+Ogg%29


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Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[Tim]

Why is everyone getting so worked up about this? Clearly softpedia is just 
click-baiting, otherwise it wouldnt even be news. The monkey that
wrote the ad clearly doesn't have the intelligence to make any money. Surely 
any sane person (consumer) would take one look at that ad and ask
wtf. I hardly see him making a rush of sales. At the best someone might wonder 
what is Ubuntu GNOME and google it to find out.

Anyway regardless, it is afaik perfectly legal to sell DVD/USB's with Ubuntu 
(and the flavours) so long as they are the official unmodified
images (there are or atleast were, heaps of sites doing this, seems osdisc 
might be the only one left). Its also perfectly legal for someone to
sell support services so long as they don't make claims that they are 
officially connected with the trademark owners. Its also ok to sell
systems with Ubuntu GNOME pre-installed, however if its on a commercial scale, 
Canonical would probably want you to sign a OEM agreement.

Seriously just forget about this one! There are plenty more productive things 
to be done than worry about some stupid ad on craigslist!

Tim




On 22/06/15 18:18, Patrik Bubák wrote:
> /"This Not Windows But It runs smooth. More Like Apple mac os x Type. Linux 
> Operating System. Just Boot from Start Up Screen Or Desktop."/ -
> who the heck wrote this sentence? An elementary school drop out?
>
>
> I think you guys fail to see the point that this person might solely be doing 
> it for their own good.
>
> Just look at the grammar. Do you honestly think they might actually be doing 
> the community a service by "spreading the word" this way? Without
> a proper product presentation the one offering this doesn't sound like an 
> honest entity.
>
> If I were to profit from offering any kind of services involving UG I would 
> definitely make it look professional, not posting one sentence as
> written by Tarzan.
>
> Nothing ruins creativity like too many voices weighing in. We call it the 
> /Ice Cream Principle/. Tell 10 people to go get ice cream with one
> condition: they all have to agree on one flavour. That flavour is going to be 
> chocolate or vanilla every time. Groups of people don't agree on
> what's cool or interesting, they agree on what's easy to agree on.
>
>
>  Original Message 
> Subject: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30
> Time (GMT): Jun 22 2015 03:47:33
> From: amjja...@gnome.org
> To: ubuntu-gnome@lists.ubuntu.com
>
> Hi everyone,
>
> I found this tweet on Twitter:
> https://twitter.com/Softpedia/status/612791924282540033
>
> The article:
> 
> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Someone-Tries-to-Sell-Ubuntu-GNOME-Linux-OS-on-Craigslist-for-30-484867.shtml?utm_content=bufferb8c51&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
>
> Here is the ad:
> http://fayetteville.craigslist.org/sys/5040249435.html
>
> When you click on "Reply" and tell the website that you're not a 
> bot/machine, you'll get the number of the person who published that ad 29
> days ago!
>
> Could someone who lives in USA to contact that person and understand what 
> is going on?!
>
> As a person who respects privacy, I am not going to publish his/her 
> number here on a public mailing list.
>
> I'll be waiting for someone's reply to this :)
>
> Thank you!
>
> @Keith
> Can you give him/her a call, please?
>
>
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Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[Patrik Bubák]

"This Not Windows But It runs smooth. More Like Apple mac os x Type. Linux 
Operating System. Just Boot from Start Up Screen Or Desktop." - who the heck 
wrote this sentence? An elementary school drop out?



I think you guys fail to see the point that this person might solely be doing 
it for their own good.



Just look at the grammar. Do you honestly think they might actually be doing 
the community a service by "spreading the word" this way? Without a proper 
product presentation the one offering this doesn't sound like an honest entity.



If I were to profit from offering any kind of services involving UG I would 
definitely make it look professional, not posting one sentence as written by 
Tarzan.




Nothing ruins creativity like too many voices weighing in. We call it the Ice 
Cream Principle. Tell 10 people to go get ice cream with one condition: they 
all have to agree on one flavour. That flavour is going to be chocolate or 
vanilla every time. Groups of people don't agree on what's cool or interesting, 
they agree on what's easy to agree on.




 Original Message 

Subject: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

Time (GMT): Jun 22 2015 03:47:33

From: amjja...@gnome.org

To: ubuntu-gnome@lists.ubuntu.com











Hi everyone,



I found this tweet on Twitter:

https://twitter.com/Softpedia/status/612791924282540033



The article:

http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Someone-Tries-to-Sell-Ubuntu-GNOME-Linux-OS-on-Craigslist-for-30-484867.shtml?utm_content=bufferb8c51&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer



Here is the ad:

http://fayetteville.craigslist.org/sys/5040249435.html



When you click on "Reply" and tell the website that you're not a bot/machine, 
you'll get the number of the person who published that ad 29 days ago!



Could someone who lives in USA to contact that person and understand what is 
going on?!



As a person who respects privacy, I am not going to publish his/her number here 
on a public mailing list.



I'll be waiting for someone's reply to this :)



Thank you!













@Keith

Can you give him/her a call, please?






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Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[Julien Olivier]

Hi,

Le lundi 22 juin 2015 à 08:51 +0200, Narcis Garcia a écrit :
> I've made hunderds of Ubuntu/Lubuntu/UbuntuGnome installations
> professionally, but I've never sold the software itself.
> 
> The problem I see in the ad is the phrase, because it seems Ubuntu can
> be sold itself.
> 

Actually it can be sold, provided that you respect the GPL licence. For
example, it would be perfectly legal to put Ubuntu CDs or DVDs in nice
boxes with paper docs and sell them in stores or Amazon.

> 
> El 22/06/15 a les 08:31, Andrés Muñiz Piniella ha escrit:
> > 
> > 
> > El 22 de junio de 2015 07:18:30 GMT+01:00, Ali/amjjawad 
> >  escribió:
> >> Hi,
> >>
> >> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Andres 
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >>> El Mon, 22-06-2015 a las 10:35 +0530, Satyajit Sahoo escribió:
>  But isn't it completely legal?
> >>>
> >>> Not only legal as far as I know ethical according to the fsf as  Free
> >>> software is Free as in freedom and not price (not free beer).
> >>>
> >>>
> >> http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/licensing
> >>
> >>
> >>> This person could actually be doing a public service? What if your
> >>> download speeds are too low or too expensive?
> >>>
> >>>
> >> For nearly a year, I've been converting people to GNU/Linux left and
> >> right
> >> and I did that 'not' for free, but for money. However, before I do
> >> anything, I have informed the user/client that I'm charging for the
> >> service, NOT the software itself. Usually, my services were involving
> >> much
> >> more of just installation. I had to do other things beside
> >> installation.
> >>
> >> All that led me to think about it deeply .. why not expand that and
> >> make my
> >> living instead of spending my entire life updating my CV and beg for a
> >> job?
> >>
> >> So, Kibo was born:
> >> http://kibo.computer/
> >>
> >> And, I just got my first client the other day. I managed to convert the
> >> lady from Windows 7 that couldn't even boot in to Xubuntu 14.04 LTS and
> >> all
> >> that happened ONLINE .. I did not touch anything .. I was giving
> >> instructions and she (the user) was doing it herself.
> >>
> >> My charges where for my time + efforts, NOT the software itself.
> >>
> >>
> >>
> >>> It is more likely that someone is trying to make a quick buck.
> >> Hopefully
> >>> not someone distributing a dodgy copy with malware. Then again, when
> >> was
> >>> the last time normal people do the checksums?
> >>>
> >>> Some years ago someone was  selling CDs of ubuntu in amazon or ebay.
> >>> Since canonical stopped providing CDs they were actually providing a
> >>> service.
> >>>
> >>
> >> The reason I asked someone (thanks To Keith) to contact that person, is
> >> to
> >> find out what is going on? if you go back to my original email, I
> >> didn't
> >> say anything :) I am not even upset, but so curious to understand what
> >> is
> >> going on :) so, let's hold our horses and wait for Keith ;)
> >>
> >>
> >>>
> >>> And wow. Softpedia looks like a horrible website.
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >> That's your own personal opinion. I'd ask you nicely and politely not
> >> to
> >> get into this kind of topics here :)
> >>
> >>
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Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[Narcis Garcia]

I've made hunderds of Ubuntu/Lubuntu/UbuntuGnome installations
professionally, but I've never sold the software itself.

The problem I see in the ad is the phrase, because it seems Ubuntu can
be sold itself.


El 22/06/15 a les 08:31, Andrés Muñiz Piniella ha escrit:
> 
> 
> El 22 de junio de 2015 07:18:30 GMT+01:00, Ali/amjjawad  
> escribió:
>> Hi,
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Andres 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> El Mon, 22-06-2015 a las 10:35 +0530, Satyajit Sahoo escribió:
 But isn't it completely legal?
>>>
>>> Not only legal as far as I know ethical according to the fsf as  Free
>>> software is Free as in freedom and not price (not free beer).
>>>
>>>
>> http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/licensing
>>
>>
>>> This person could actually be doing a public service? What if your
>>> download speeds are too low or too expensive?
>>>
>>>
>> For nearly a year, I've been converting people to GNU/Linux left and
>> right
>> and I did that 'not' for free, but for money. However, before I do
>> anything, I have informed the user/client that I'm charging for the
>> service, NOT the software itself. Usually, my services were involving
>> much
>> more of just installation. I had to do other things beside
>> installation.
>>
>> All that led me to think about it deeply .. why not expand that and
>> make my
>> living instead of spending my entire life updating my CV and beg for a
>> job?
>>
>> So, Kibo was born:
>> http://kibo.computer/
>>
>> And, I just got my first client the other day. I managed to convert the
>> lady from Windows 7 that couldn't even boot in to Xubuntu 14.04 LTS and
>> all
>> that happened ONLINE .. I did not touch anything .. I was giving
>> instructions and she (the user) was doing it herself.
>>
>> My charges where for my time + efforts, NOT the software itself.
>>
>>
>>
>>> It is more likely that someone is trying to make a quick buck.
>> Hopefully
>>> not someone distributing a dodgy copy with malware. Then again, when
>> was
>>> the last time normal people do the checksums?
>>>
>>> Some years ago someone was  selling CDs of ubuntu in amazon or ebay.
>>> Since canonical stopped providing CDs they were actually providing a
>>> service.
>>>
>>
>> The reason I asked someone (thanks To Keith) to contact that person, is
>> to
>> find out what is going on? if you go back to my original email, I
>> didn't
>> say anything :) I am not even upset, but so curious to understand what
>> is
>> going on :) so, let's hold our horses and wait for Keith ;)
>>
>>
>>>
>>> And wow. Softpedia looks like a horrible website.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>> That's your own personal opinion. I'd ask you nicely and politely not
>> to
>> get into this kind of topics here :)
>>
>>
>>>
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>> Thank you for your reply :)
>>
>> All what we need to do now is wait for Keith's feedback :)
> 
> 
> All valid points. I am sorry if the tone sounded horrible.
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Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[Andrés Muñiz Piniella]

El 22 de junio de 2015 07:18:30 GMT+01:00, Ali/amjjawad  
escribió:
>Hi,
>
>On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Andres 
>wrote:
>
>> El Mon, 22-06-2015 a las 10:35 +0530, Satyajit Sahoo escribió:
>> > But isn't it completely legal?
>>
>> Not only legal as far as I know ethical according to the fsf as  Free
>> software is Free as in freedom and not price (not free beer).
>>
>>
>http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/licensing
>
>
>> This person could actually be doing a public service? What if your
>> download speeds are too low or too expensive?
>>
>>
>For nearly a year, I've been converting people to GNU/Linux left and
>right
>and I did that 'not' for free, but for money. However, before I do
>anything, I have informed the user/client that I'm charging for the
>service, NOT the software itself. Usually, my services were involving
>much
>more of just installation. I had to do other things beside
>installation.
>
>All that led me to think about it deeply .. why not expand that and
>make my
>living instead of spending my entire life updating my CV and beg for a
>job?
>
>So, Kibo was born:
>http://kibo.computer/
>
>And, I just got my first client the other day. I managed to convert the
>lady from Windows 7 that couldn't even boot in to Xubuntu 14.04 LTS and
>all
>that happened ONLINE .. I did not touch anything .. I was giving
>instructions and she (the user) was doing it herself.
>
>My charges where for my time + efforts, NOT the software itself.
>
>
>
>> It is more likely that someone is trying to make a quick buck.
>Hopefully
>> not someone distributing a dodgy copy with malware. Then again, when
>was
>> the last time normal people do the checksums?
>>
>> Some years ago someone was  selling CDs of ubuntu in amazon or ebay.
>> Since canonical stopped providing CDs they were actually providing a
>> service.
>>
>
>The reason I asked someone (thanks To Keith) to contact that person, is
>to
>find out what is going on? if you go back to my original email, I
>didn't
>say anything :) I am not even upset, but so curious to understand what
>is
>going on :) so, let's hold our horses and wait for Keith ;)
>
>
>>
>> And wow. Softpedia looks like a horrible website.
>>
>>
>>
>That's your own personal opinion. I'd ask you nicely and politely not
>to
>get into this kind of topics here :)
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Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[Ali/amjjawad]

Hi,

On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 3:42 PM, Andres  wrote:

> El Mon, 22-06-2015 a las 10:35 +0530, Satyajit Sahoo escribió:
> > But isn't it completely legal?
>
> Not only legal as far as I know ethical according to the fsf as  Free
> software is Free as in freedom and not price (not free beer).
>
>
http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/licensing


> This person could actually be doing a public service? What if your
> download speeds are too low or too expensive?
>
>
For nearly a year, I've been converting people to GNU/Linux left and right
and I did that 'not' for free, but for money. However, before I do
anything, I have informed the user/client that I'm charging for the
service, NOT the software itself. Usually, my services were involving much
more of just installation. I had to do other things beside installation.

All that led me to think about it deeply .. why not expand that and make my
living instead of spending my entire life updating my CV and beg for a job?

So, Kibo was born:
http://kibo.computer/

And, I just got my first client the other day. I managed to convert the
lady from Windows 7 that couldn't even boot in to Xubuntu 14.04 LTS and all
that happened ONLINE .. I did not touch anything .. I was giving
instructions and she (the user) was doing it herself.

My charges where for my time + efforts, NOT the software itself.



> It is more likely that someone is trying to make a quick buck. Hopefully
> not someone distributing a dodgy copy with malware. Then again, when was
> the last time normal people do the checksums?
>
> Some years ago someone was  selling CDs of ubuntu in amazon or ebay.
> Since canonical stopped providing CDs they were actually providing a
> service.
>

The reason I asked someone (thanks To Keith) to contact that person, is to
find out what is going on? if you go back to my original email, I didn't
say anything :) I am not even upset, but so curious to understand what is
going on :) so, let's hold our horses and wait for Keith ;)


>
> And wow. Softpedia looks like a horrible website.
>
>
>
That's your own personal opinion. I'd ask you nicely and politely not to
get into this kind of topics here :)


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Thank you for your reply :)

All what we need to do now is wait for Keith's feedback :)

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Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[Ali/amjjawad]

Hi,

Long time no see ;)

On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 3:05 PM, Satyajit Sahoo 
wrote:

> But isn't it completely legal?
>
>
It might be a bit tricky :)

http://www.ubuntu.com/about/about-ubuntu/licensing



> Satyajit Sahoo
> UX Designer
> Behance Profile 
>
> We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh? — The Doctor,
> Season 5, Episode 13.
>
> On 22 June 2015 at 09:51, Ali/amjjawad  wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Keith I Myers <
>> keithiokepamy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hello Ali,
>>>
>>
>> Hello Keith :)
>> Long time, no see ;)
>>
>>
>>> This is disturbing and I will try to reach out to this person to make
>>> sure that they know that this is wrong. It also happens that I will be up
>>> in that area at the end of next week as well.
>>>
>>
>> Thank you so much for your quick response.
>> I appreciate that and I am sure this matter in a good hands now so I am
>> not worried at all :)
>>
>>
>>>
>>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Ali/amjjawad 
>>> wrote:
>>>
 Hi everyone,

 I found this tweet on Twitter:
 https://twitter.com/Softpedia/status/612791924282540033

 The article:

 http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Someone-Tries-to-Sell-Ubuntu-GNOME-Linux-OS-on-Craigslist-for-30-484867.shtml?utm_content=bufferb8c51&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer

 Here is the ad:
 http://fayetteville.craigslist.org/sys/5040249435.html

 When you click on "Reply" and tell the website that you're not a
 bot/machine, you'll get the number of the person who published that ad 29
 days ago!

 Could someone who lives in USA to contact that person and understand
 what is going on?!

 As a person who respects privacy, I am not going to publish his/her
 number here on a public mailing list.

 I'll be waiting for someone's reply to this :)

 Thank you!

 @Keith
 Can you give him/her a call, please?


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 Best Regards,
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 GNOME 

>>>
>>>
>>>
>> I hope he/she is selling USB drives with Ubuntu GNOME but the one way to
>> find out is to find him/her.
>>
>>
>>
>>>
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>>> [image: http://]http://KMyers.me
>>> +Keith I Myers 
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>>>
>>>
>>>
>> Thank you!
>>
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Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[Andres]

El Mon, 22-06-2015 a las 13:47 +1000, Ali/amjjawad escribió:
> Here is the ad:
> http://fayetteville.craigslist.org/sys/5040249435.html

Reading the ad for me a "system" is a full computer. For $30 it is
really cheap.

Also this person could be giving a 1hr introduction to ubuntuGnome at
the time of sell, that could be a great service that has no reason to be
free. 

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Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[Andres]

El Mon, 22-06-2015 a las 10:35 +0530, Satyajit Sahoo escribió:
> But isn't it completely legal?

Not only legal as far as I know ethical according to the fsf as  Free
software is Free as in freedom and not price (not free beer).

This person could actually be doing a public service? What if your
download speeds are too low or too expensive?

It is more likely that someone is trying to make a quick buck. Hopefully
not someone distributing a dodgy copy with malware. Then again, when was
the last time normal people do the checksums? 

Some years ago someone was  selling CDs of ubuntu in amazon or ebay.
Since canonical stopped providing CDs they were actually providing a
service.

And wow. Softpedia looks like a horrible website.



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Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[Satyajit Sahoo]

But isn't it completely legal?

Satyajit Sahoo
UX Designer
Behance Profile 

We're all stories, in the end. Just make it a good one, eh? — The Doctor,
Season 5, Episode 13.

On 22 June 2015 at 09:51, Ali/amjjawad  wrote:

>
>
> On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Keith I Myers  > wrote:
>
>> Hello Ali,
>>
>
> Hello Keith :)
> Long time, no see ;)
>
>
>> This is disturbing and I will try to reach out to this person to make
>> sure that they know that this is wrong. It also happens that I will be up
>> in that area at the end of next week as well.
>>
>
> Thank you so much for your quick response.
> I appreciate that and I am sure this matter in a good hands now so I am
> not worried at all :)
>
>
>>
>> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Ali/amjjawad 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Hi everyone,
>>>
>>> I found this tweet on Twitter:
>>> https://twitter.com/Softpedia/status/612791924282540033
>>>
>>> The article:
>>>
>>> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Someone-Tries-to-Sell-Ubuntu-GNOME-Linux-OS-on-Craigslist-for-30-484867.shtml?utm_content=bufferb8c51&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
>>>
>>> Here is the ad:
>>> http://fayetteville.craigslist.org/sys/5040249435.html
>>>
>>> When you click on "Reply" and tell the website that you're not a
>>> bot/machine, you'll get the number of the person who published that ad 29
>>> days ago!
>>>
>>> Could someone who lives in USA to contact that person and understand
>>> what is going on?!
>>>
>>> As a person who respects privacy, I am not going to publish his/her
>>> number here on a public mailing list.
>>>
>>> I'll be waiting for someone's reply to this :)
>>>
>>> Thank you!
>>>
>>> @Keith
>>> Can you give him/her a call, please?
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>>>
>>> Best Regards,
>>> Ali/amjjawad 
>>>
>>> *http://kibo.computer * - http://torios.net - Ubuntu
>>> GNOME 
>>>
>>
>>
>>
> I hope he/she is selling USB drives with Ubuntu GNOME but the one way to
> find out is to find him/her.
>
>
>
>>
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>>
>>
>>
> Thank you!
>
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Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[Ali/amjjawad]

On Mon, Jun 22, 2015 at 1:58 PM, Keith I Myers 
wrote:

> Hello Ali,
>

Hello Keith :)
Long time, no see ;)


> This is disturbing and I will try to reach out to this person to make sure
> that they know that this is wrong. It also happens that I will be up in
> that area at the end of next week as well.
>

Thank you so much for your quick response.
I appreciate that and I am sure this matter in a good hands now so I am not
worried at all :)


>
> On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Ali/amjjawad  wrote:
>
>> Hi everyone,
>>
>> I found this tweet on Twitter:
>> https://twitter.com/Softpedia/status/612791924282540033
>>
>> The article:
>>
>> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Someone-Tries-to-Sell-Ubuntu-GNOME-Linux-OS-on-Craigslist-for-30-484867.shtml?utm_content=bufferb8c51&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
>>
>> Here is the ad:
>> http://fayetteville.craigslist.org/sys/5040249435.html
>>
>> When you click on "Reply" and tell the website that you're not a
>> bot/machine, you'll get the number of the person who published that ad 29
>> days ago!
>>
>> Could someone who lives in USA to contact that person and understand what
>> is going on?!
>>
>> As a person who respects privacy, I am not going to publish his/her
>> number here on a public mailing list.
>>
>> I'll be waiting for someone's reply to this :)
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>> @Keith
>> Can you give him/her a call, please?
>>
>>
>> --
>> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Ali/amjjawad 
>>
>> *http://kibo.computer * - http://torios.net - Ubuntu
>> GNOME 
>>
>
>
>
I hope he/she is selling USB drives with Ubuntu GNOME but the one way to
find out is to find him/her.



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>
>
>
Thank you!


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Re: Someone Tries to Sell Ubuntu GNOME Linux OS on Craigslist for $30

[Keith I Myers]

Hello Ali,
This is disturbing and I will try to reach out to this person to make sure
that they know that this is wrong. It also happens that I will be up in
that area at the end of next week as well.

On Sun, Jun 21, 2015 at 11:47 PM, Ali/amjjawad  wrote:

> Hi everyone,
>
> I found this tweet on Twitter:
> https://twitter.com/Softpedia/status/612791924282540033
>
> The article:
>
> http://linux.softpedia.com/blog/Someone-Tries-to-Sell-Ubuntu-GNOME-Linux-OS-on-Craigslist-for-30-484867.shtml?utm_content=bufferb8c51&utm_medium=social&utm_source=twitter.com&utm_campaign=buffer
>
> Here is the ad:
> http://fayetteville.craigslist.org/sys/5040249435.html
>
> When you click on "Reply" and tell the website that you're not a
> bot/machine, you'll get the number of the person who published that ad 29
> days ago!
>
> Could someone who lives in USA to contact that person and understand what
> is going on?!
>
> As a person who respects privacy, I am not going to publish his/her number
> here on a public mailing list.
>
> I'll be waiting for someone's reply to this :)
>
> Thank you!
>
> @Keith
> Can you give him/her a call, please?
>
>
> --
> Remember: "All of us are smarter than any one of us."
>
> Best Regards,
> Ali/amjjawad 
>
> *http://kibo.computer * - http://torios.net - Ubuntu
> GNOME 
>



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