Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Powder
On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 15:25 -0500, Matthew Nuzum wrote: My suggestion is to include a theme that has a distinctly feminine appeal. I'm not suggesting eye-burning pink (like is included in XP), but choosing a human related palette that says to women, This is for you. Sheesh, seeing the lack of women especially here, that would mean to design a theme that is not for ourselves. How could you ever suggest for such a deed of selflessness or professionalism? ;) Here are some of the thoughts behind my suggestion: * When going to the grocery store with my son and daughter they often pick cereal based on the colour of the box. Yes, this is insane, but my daughter knows that if the box is pink it's for girls and since she's a girl she wants it. I disagree with this article on a few fundamental (but overall minute) points, but just to show there is evidence for this: http://www.guardian.co.uk/science/2007/aug/21/sciencenews.fashion Hmm. It's hard to know in how far gender specific color preferences are cultural or biological. It seems the pink for girls, blue for boys is a rather new convention. Some claim it was reversed at some point, while other say there simply wasn't a convention for a long time. http://answers.google.com/answers/threadview?id=238733 http://www.straightdope.com/columns/read/2831/was-pink-originally-the-color-for-boys-and-blue-for-girls Not the most credible links, but I read about it elsewhere, too. One thing on the biological side we can be sure of is that the most common color vision deficiency is for red-green and far more often affects men than women. I agree that it would be nice to have at least one theme aimed at women. To get there, one would first have to do some research. Then you need female testers. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] system-search2 Icon
Am Montag 30 März 2009 06:29:46 schrieb Matthew Lye: I like the look of this but it doesn't seem to have the same bubbly 3d depth that the other icons have managed. Perhaps building in another lightsource? Me too :) But at moment I let it without fixing. I am over gtk-media. Let me explain you one thing ... There are Icons you see from near (webcam, disk, gtk-media) the 3d effect is more, of course. Things far away (1/2 - 1 meter) and front-view generally don't have much of 3d-depth. ;) The lightsource is right. Above - above-right. Oliver -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] gtk-media
snip I think that they look really great, but have one possible suggestion: could the shadows be sort of orange-tinted, as though the glyphs were backlit by orange LEDs? I think it would lend a very slick look to multimedia apps even beyond the excellent work you've done already! Thank you Ryan, but this I haven't understand you (Led's?) in any case. :) If I haved finish we can do experiments with it if Cory K. wish it ... ;) Oliver -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] gtk-media
On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 12:41 +0200, Oliver wrote: snip I think that they look really great, but have one possible suggestion: could the shadows be sort of orange-tinted, as though the glyphs were backlit by orange LEDs? I think it would lend a very slick look to multimedia apps even beyond the excellent work you've done already! Thank you Ryan, but this I haven't understand you (Led's?) in any case. :) If I haved finish we can do experiments with it if Cory K. wish it ... ;) He talks about the effect LEDs behind the buttons would have. A bit like what Apple does, but with orange light: http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2401/2265191850_49c266d522.jpg?v=0 http://www.flickr.com/photos/zanoii/3325630516/sizes/l/ -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Powder
Thorsten Wilms wrote: I agree that it would be nice to have at least one theme aimed at women. To get there, one would first have to do some research. Then you need female testers. Posting on the forums, or communities like the subreddit women, should make information flow easy. (There is an ubuntu women group right?) Shouldn't we first ask women users if they want a theme aimed at them? I mean to say the whole point of a gui is to be gender neutral right? I could see making a theme for targeting an age group, which tends to have tighter (less variable) preferences, but an entire gender? Perhaps the theme should target a subset of all women: a specific age bracket? --Saleel -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Powder
Really, before *anything* else happens, we need someone dedicated who *will* do the work. They have to create the theme (or at lease get someone else dedicated to do it), handle wiki documentation, research, make command decisions. Building a team is great also but I feel any effective effort around here has been a 1 person show or had someone strong at the center with 1 or 2 people around. You need that person otherwise we're all talk like normal. Volunteers? -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Powder
On Tuesday 31 March 2009 12:05:31 Tibault Damman wrote: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:44, Thorsten Wilms t...@freenet.de wrote: It seems the pink for girls, blue for boys is a rather new convention. Some claim it was reversed at some point, while other say there simply wasn't a convention for a long time. For what it's worth: in Belgium this depends form city to city. Where I grew up babies are dressed in pink if they're boys and blue if they're girls. Though due to American influences such as the Barbie dolls pink is generally considered to be for girls. Actually, historically speaking, pink was for baby boys and blue for girls in America as well. In time it changed but you still see lots of men wearing pink shirts. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Looking for a dark gtk theme base
Hi folks, I posted about a theme called Nine a few months ago. Since, then I've been working on a dark theme, a kind of re-imaging of Dark Room. I've currently re-written it twice. The first time using an evolved version of Nine, originally based on Shiki-Colors 2.1, back when it was using clearlooks. And the second using my study on dark themes, ClearLUX, originally based on SzerencseFia's LUX 0.9x, Human-Clearlooks 0.28.6. Both have inexplicable bugs the other doesn't. I am working on fixing up the second revision, which I prefer; but if I fail to do so, I am looking to re-write it. Can anyone recommend a good dark theme to use as a base? The engine doesn't matter, as long as it's not pixmap, though murrine would be preferable. I've taken a quick look at Dark Room and it seems pretty solid. But I am loathe to use it as a base so as to avoid unconsciously accepting its design choices. That is why I started with my Nine code, which I know very well and reflects my own biases/preferences, and then proceeded to permit some of LUX's ideas, which I think is very well thought out. Perhaps I'm nitpicking; since all dark themes, even the best hybrid ones, are riddled with bugs in OO, Firefox, and even Evolution. Thanks for you help, Alex -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Powder
2009/3/31 Kenneth Wimer kw...@ubuntu.com: On Tuesday 31 March 2009 12:05:31 Tibault Damman wrote: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 10:44, Thorsten Wilms t...@freenet.de wrote: It seems the pink for girls, blue for boys is a rather new convention. Some claim it was reversed at some point, while other say there simply wasn't a convention for a long time. Actually, historically speaking, pink was for baby boys and blue for girls in America as well. In time it changed but you still see lots of men wearing pink shirts. I'm wearing a pink shirt now as a matter of fact. I know some women/girls. I'm willing to do some research on the matter. The problem is that this is indeed very cultural so my results in central USA may not be indicative of what's found in other parts of the world. However, USA and Western Europe are very big markets for Ubuntu (not sure what the free software equivalent to a business market is) so we should be able to make some good ground from my testing. Fortunately since the themes in Jaunty can have their colours adjusted it should be easy to do some ad-hoc testing. I'll start with some of the colours from the Ubuntu Intrepid palette that Ken posted a year ago. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Powder
So we have some smalltalk with Colours, Themes, girls and boys etc. I will write a analyse I noticed. Windows: Games, DirectX and tuning are the most imprortant Themes there. So we will find many many stuffs about this in this Operating System. Mac: Sound, Graphic and DTP. This OS-Users makes a lot of Art-Work and who don't belive it can take a look in DeviantArt. ;) Here we find many many varities of Icons-Artwork (one beautiful default-Icons in many varities) and Wallpapers etc. So much manpower lost for non important things. :) Linux: Bash, Pyhton, Wiki's like: how I get this run, copy/paste with Gimp, compiling and testing etc. The Artwork here. two years ago, was quite poor. Music ... only good Players. I know only one prof. Programm for Music-Studios. Conclution: I'm sure if Linux would be known - like Mac - for his Graphic- Power (maybe because we have similars Programms like Freehand and Photoshop), Breathe would have much more Volunteers helping in this Project. But it's logical. ;) My idea finally is to get involved bored Mac-Users to the Ubuntu-Artwork- Projects with a slogan like: Mac-Users new hobby ... Ubuntu etc. Okay I am jocking a little bit. But I think a little bit puplishing in this way (Twitter, Blogs and Irc, ...) would be (maybe) helpfull. It's a little bit sad that the Ubuntu-Artwork-Maillist is so short ... and Ubuntu-Users are many. And many of them saw the Breathe-Project and don't helps. Why? -- so much peoples are shouting out that they want a pretty Linux and waits for a wonder. Of course if everybody only shout and wait without any activities ... things needs longer. ;) My 2¢ Oliver -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Powder
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Oliver scholli...@yahoo.de wrote: Conclution: I'm sure if Linux would be known - like Mac - for his Graphic- Power (maybe because we have similars Programms like Freehand and Photoshop), Breathe would have much more Volunteers helping in this Project. But it's logical. ;) Hi, a very strong opportunity for Ubuntu to take market share is the ever-increasing Internet consumer type of user. The person who sends emails, uses facebook, shares photos and etc. For these users there is no benefit to paying the Microsoft tax and their main application is the web browser. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Powder
Am Dienstag 31 März 2009 19:20:43 schrieb Matthew Nuzum: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 11:24 AM, Oliver scholli...@yahoo.de wrote: Conclution: I'm sure if Linux would be known - like Mac - for his Graphic- Power (maybe because we have similars Programms like Freehand and Photoshop), Breathe would have much more Volunteers helping in this Project. But it's logical. ;) Hi, a very strong opportunity for Ubuntu to take market share is the ever-increasing Internet consumer type of user. The person who sends emails, uses facebook, shares photos and etc. For these users there is no benefit to paying the Microsoft tax and their main application is the web browser. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter Absolute true. :) But the cloud-pc idea (supporter RedHad) is a little bit a foolish idea for the internet consumer, not? So I don't have always a stable internet- connection... No internet today - No PC today! :-[] Oliver -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] [Breathe] media flash various
I uploaded to the wiki new icons for Compact Flash, Memory Stick and Smart Media cards. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions Now I'm gonna make something more generic for media-flash. Oxygen have some kind of chip that I think it represents the one inside the cards. I should do something similar or anyone has a better idea? -- Seba (AKA spg76) http://www.ubuntu-ar.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Powder
So, we're just gonna keep *talking* about this without someone stepping up and saying Ok. I can get this done. Without that, this is just the same old hot air. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] media flash various
spg76 wrote: I uploaded to the wiki new icons for Compact Flash, Memory Stick and Smart Media cards. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions Now I'm gonna make something more generic for media-flash. Oxygen have some kind of chip that I think it represents the one inside the cards. I should do something similar or anyone has a better idea? Cool. Once you get the generic one done, I'll add these. As for it's design, go with your gut. ;) -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Community Themes Brainstorm
I want to address some things from the previous thread: Thorsten Wilms wrote: I'm in support of all your points. But not in favour of voting. Rough consensus or even dictatorship is better. Meritocracy not democracy, please ;) I generally agree with the idea that consensus is the best approach, but it is often never reached. This necessitates the benevolent dictator / project leader. Who would this person be? The way I see it, the main problem is that community-themes already exists, but no process was ever really set up. So we're not really starting from scratch. I can't go and declare that I'm the project leader for something that already exists. Anyway, I'm not an artist, I'm a packager. I shouldn't be making aesthetic decisions. Saleel wrote: Agreed with both your points. Number 4 I feel should be slightly later than the official artwork deadline, in case some one is contributing to both. Someone will have to write up a draft of what the decision making process should look like, any volunteers? Or should we just start a new topic and brainstorm into it? The problem with setting the deadline for inclusion too late in the cycle is that the packaging becomes harder. It requires feature freezes, ect to get uploaded. This bogs down the process and in the end makes us more or less dependent on Ken pulling some strings from the Canonical side. This is part of the problem that we are facing now in Jaunty. It's clear that most people would like to see Impression in the package, it's not clear if we are actually going to see this happen. In general, as I said above I'm not an artist, I'm a packager. My personal interest here is to help get things done, and try to bridge the gap between the creative folks making themes and the technical/process work needed to get things uploaded - Andrew -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Powder
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Cory K. coryis...@ubuntu.com wrote: So, we're just gonna keep *talking* about this without someone stepping up and saying Ok. I can get this done. Without that, this is just the same old hot air. Did you read the email I sent earlier today? As a matter of fact over my lunch I put together four themes based on clearlooks. I used the same wallpaper for each, an image of sakura blossoms, desaturated and then added a hue to match each of the themes. I will create a poll and start asking some of the people I know to give their opinion on the appearance to see what they like. I have two concerns... the human icon theme does not look good with the colours I'm using. I'm going to take a wild guess that it would not be OK to ship another set of icons on the CD so I've got to work out a solution to this before I make the screenshots. The other concern is how to get the most meaningful results. I've set the themes so that the only difference is the colour. Would it be meaningful to have four screen shots of themed desktops stacked one above the other and letting them choose the one they like? Should there be an application open on the desktop, and if so, what? -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Powder
On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 13:48 -0500, Matthew Nuzum wrote: As a matter of fact over my lunch I put together four themes based on clearlooks. I used the same wallpaper for each, an image of sakura blossoms, desaturated and then added a hue to match each of the themes. I will create a poll and start asking some of the people I know to give their opinion on the appearance to see what they like. I have two concerns... the human icon theme does not look good with the colours I'm using. I'm going to take a wild guess that it would not be OK to ship another set of icons on the CD so I've got to work out a solution to this before I make the screenshots. The other concern is how to get the most meaningful results. I've set the themes so that the only difference is the colour. Would it be meaningful to have four screen shots of themed desktops stacked one above the other and letting them choose the one they like? Should there be an application open on the desktop, and if so, what? The top level question is if it actually makes sense to create a theme for women? It isn't even necessarily a question of demand, because sometimes the supply has to come before the demand. Since this is not going to be the default theme, it must be for women who will customise the appearance? From my own anecdotal experience, women are at least as interested in changing the wallpaper as are men, if not more so. I'd say the not-that-technical among them won't even think of changing the widget theme - or would need encouragement to do so. Not gender specific, actually. How do desktops customised by women look like? Are there recurring themes? Are there common characteristics women look for in desktop appearance? Are there common complaints, perceived shortcomings of common offerings? Do the findings here suggest that the target group can and should be more specific? What is the state of cognitive psychology, neurology, gender studies regarding this issue? What information is there on cultural differences? What is done in other fields to speak to women? Design language? We're talking about colors, shapes, textures, motives. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Powder
Matthew Nuzum wrote: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 12:55 PM, Cory K. coryis...@ubuntu.com wrote: So, we're just gonna keep *talking* about this without someone stepping up and saying Ok. I can get this done. Without that, this is just the same old hot air. Did you read the email I sent earlier today? Matthew Nuzum wrote: I'm willing to do some research on the matter. Though this is the most positive affirmation I found from you or anyone, is not stepping up and taking the lead. That was, I know some girls. I'll see what they think. Which is why even after reading it the 1st time, I sent an email. -Cory K -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] [Breathe] media flash various
spg76 wrote: I uploaded to the wiki new icons for Compact Flash, Memory Stick and Smart Media cards. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet/Submissions Now I'm gonna make something more generic for media-flash. Oxygen have some kind of chip that I think it represents the one inside the cards. I should do something similar or anyone has a better idea? Ok. So is there anyone cooler than Sebastien right now? :) He has the new generic icon up. Some people might have issue with it since like the Oxygen one it's literally the flash chip. I'm personally fine with it but opening it up to a bit of chat before we call it final is fine. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Powder
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 3:49 PM, Cory K. coryis...@ubuntu.com wrote: Sorry for the split reply. @Matthew If you are indeed going to see the creation of this new theme to the end, great. I trust you know as much as any of the older heads around here the amount if ideas that get thrown out there and come to nothing. That is a great statement, I will begin my evaluation and ponder if I feel I'm capable of bringing this to completion. QUESTION: Is the end game to ship w/Ubuntu or a separate package? (I see no prior info on this) I am an optimist so I will say that the end-game is to ship with Ubuntu. That means that there are some compromises that need to be made in the interest of making it compatible with that scenario. That said, it is very realistic this will be just another contributed theme package, which is OK too. I see no reason not to aim for the stars though. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Powder
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:25 PM, Thorsten Wilms t...@freenet.de wrote: How do desktops customised by women look like? Are there recurring themes? Are there common characteristics women look for in desktop appearance? Are there common complaints, perceived shortcomings of common offerings? Do the findings here suggest that the target group can and should be more specific? What is the state of cognitive psychology, neurology, gender studies regarding this issue? What information is there on cultural differences? What is done in other fields to speak to women? Design language? We're talking about colors, shapes, textures, motives. I will never understand women, I will not even try. But here's what I know... When I want to research colours that will be popular I visit sites like this http://www.fashiontrendsetter.com/content/color_trends.html that are on the edge of fashion. I can find pictures of fashion shows, the latest clothing lines and grab pantone swatches for fabrics that are being released. There are clear trends and they make their way throughout the western world. Men and women are buying similar fashions and colours in Paris, New York, Oslo and Montreal. So yes, there are cultural differences between countries, but somehow the textile industry seems to do OK. So I think that is where I'll focus first. Once I have some colours to work with then we can look at shapes and textures. I *think* this is the best way. I'll put in a human clearlooks screenshot to see how it fares when compared against the others. There's no way I can do this on my own. I can create mock-ups and test users but when it comes to the artwork I'm not qualified. But getting started is half the battle so I'll see if I can do that. Regarding women's customized desktops, my wife and mother have both customized theirs. I suspect that just as many women customize their desktop as men. As a matter of fact, the ladies in the office I used to work at knew all the tricks for getting past the lock-down on the desktops so that they could change their wallpaper and colours. This makes me reminisce about the days of the Helix (later Ximian) desktop. Upon first login it presented you with a wizard to customize your desktop. I wonder why this concept went away. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode, skype, linkedin, identi.ca and twitter -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Powder
Matthew Nuzum wrote: Cory K. wrote: QUESTION: Is the end game to ship w/Ubuntu or a separate package? (I see no prior info on this) I am an optimist so I will say that the end-game is to ship with Ubuntu. That means that there are some compromises that need to be made in the interest of making it compatible with that scenario. That said, it is very realistic this will be just another contributed theme package, which is OK too. I see no reason not to aim for the stars though. The reason I ask is indeed package-related. If this were an overarching concept, worthy of it's own packaging, I was going to suggest the example-look packaging as a base. I was also going to suggest a project on LP. But I guess that depends on how grandiose the idea is. I think I'm pretty decent at getting the technicals in place for things. So once details are put in place I can help there if needed. I think something like: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Powder should be created to put up some basic structure for details to go into. I'm sure thorwil would be great for this if he so chooses. -Cory K. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Community Themes Brainstorm
On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:52 AM, John Baer bae...@gmail.com wrote: Key points put forward on this list are: This is awesome :) I'm pleased to see organisation and discussion in a direction away from the default theme. Spot on. I tried to instigate a process like this a few years ago - but there was basically no take up. I think reading through https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-January/004821.html Clearly, something in that process wasn't right because it didn't bear any fruit! For edgy we were more successful, and Frank Schoep, who coordinated that process replied with his thoughts to the thread above. Having a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/ThemeTeams and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Blubuntu/ might be useful for ideas about how to organise this (The first link was not a success, so bear that in mind!) Before I start I think my answers to the below will make more sense if I say that I think we should not limit what we make installable to a selected set of themes. All the themes we make should be packaged (with LP this is easy, right?) and then we should take a selection of those packaged themes and make a metapackage called 'ubuntu-community-thmes' for the 'best' themes that we want to showcase. If someone wants to find out about a theme we made on the wiki and install it from the repos rather than manually, why should we limit them? 1) Define guidelines for inclusion a) Packaged b) Provides unique GTK, Metacity (bonus points for wallpaper, GDM, usplash, etc) c) Has a maintainer prepared to handle bugs for this theme through the cycle d) Developed by people on the list, or with the explicit collaboration/contact with the original author if bits from other places ar used. I really wouldn't expect unique icon themes for this cycle, for example! I think completeness should be strongly considered - If someone/some people create a theme with a usplash, GDM, Desktop, GTK, Metacity, emerald, lock screen dialog, icon, GTK and QT themes that match then this should go in above a similar or even 'more popular' GTK/metacity only theme. One reason I suggest doing this is that it incentivises creation of complete, thorough themes! 2) Define milestones and deadlines dates I thought through this before and lined up art deadlines with deadlines in the release cycle. (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/ThemeTeams) We were late to the party back then, and so I think everything should come forward a bit, probably. I would say the milestones and rough deadlines are a) Rules of Engagement - to be done by end of UDS b) Themes put forward with idea/brainstorm page so other team members can decide which theme to help with c) Around alpha 2 get first set of packages done d) Alpha 3 ish - Packes in REVU for inclusion in Universe THIS NEEDS TO BE BEFORE UVF Universe! e) official first release in alphas - publicity for testing - we want to be operating with LP bugtrackers for each theme at this stage. I suggest at this stage all themes have their name ON THE BACKGROUND so bugs get reported to right community theme, f) In line with the main distro final deadline we want images/artwork finished to leave lots of time for bugfixing, final packaging, quality improvements, etc 3) Define the decision process All themes that get into universe should be in ubuntu-community-themes-extra metacpackage A select few complete and excellent themes in ubuntu-community-themes I would add ... 4) Define the process to remove a submission Why? But if we need to can't we just close the LP team for it and remove the package? 5) Define packaging and support requirements See above: a )Must be packaged and in REVU by UVF for Universe. We should try and use LP from the start. b) Must have a 'maintainer' prepared to handle all bugs. Maintenance team preferred. Are there others? I think we should run a few 'Theme Schools' in IRC leading up to the deadline for putting forward a theme a) GTK themeing b) GDM metacity c) PACKAGING and using BZR and LKP -- maybe run this one twice to ensure everyone can make it John I also think there should be an 'Artist in Chief' to facilitate the whole process and ultimately make the final decision of themes for the showcase package (taking into account the opinions of the community). This leader should probably be elected (I would not be against Ken appointing someone either, tbh), but things like 'can make UDS' might be important criteria for the leader. This sounds exciting! I'm looking forward to seeing what we can do! Who -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Community Themes Brainstorm
Anyone wanting to run some themeing tutorials ( GTK themeing + GDM metacity) in IRC let me know and Ill get it set up for you. There are already packaging tutorials in operation as listed in the Fridge. -Matthew Lye You can do anything you set your mind to when you have vision, determination, and and endless supply of expendable labor. No tree's were harmed during this transmission. However, a great number of electrons were terribly inconvenienced On Wed, Apr 1, 2009 at 10:39 AM, Who mailfor...@googlemail.com wrote: On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 2:52 AM, John Baer bae...@gmail.com wrote: Key points put forward on this list are: This is awesome :) I'm pleased to see organisation and discussion in a direction away from the default theme. Spot on. I tried to instigate a process like this a few years ago - but there was basically no take up. I think reading through https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-art/2008-January/004821.html Clearly, something in that process wasn't right because it didn't bear any fruit! For edgy we were more successful, and Frank Schoep, who coordinated that process replied with his thoughts to the thread above. Having a look at https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/ThemeTeams and https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Blubuntu/ might be useful for ideas about how to organise this (The first link was not a success, so bear that in mind!) Before I start I think my answers to the below will make more sense if I say that I think we should not limit what we make installable to a selected set of themes. All the themes we make should be packaged (with LP this is easy, right?) and then we should take a selection of those packaged themes and make a metapackage called 'ubuntu-community-thmes' for the 'best' themes that we want to showcase. If someone wants to find out about a theme we made on the wiki and install it from the repos rather than manually, why should we limit them? 1) Define guidelines for inclusion a) Packaged b) Provides unique GTK, Metacity (bonus points for wallpaper, GDM, usplash, etc) c) Has a maintainer prepared to handle bugs for this theme through the cycle d) Developed by people on the list, or with the explicit collaboration/contact with the original author if bits from other places ar used. I really wouldn't expect unique icon themes for this cycle, for example! I think completeness should be strongly considered - If someone/some people create a theme with a usplash, GDM, Desktop, GTK, Metacity, emerald, lock screen dialog, icon, GTK and QT themes that match then this should go in above a similar or even 'more popular' GTK/metacity only theme. One reason I suggest doing this is that it incentivises creation of complete, thorough themes! 2) Define milestones and deadlines dates I thought through this before and lined up art deadlines with deadlines in the release cycle. (see https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/ThemeTeams) We were late to the party back then, and so I think everything should come forward a bit, probably. I would say the milestones and rough deadlines are a) Rules of Engagement - to be done by end of UDS b) Themes put forward with idea/brainstorm page so other team members can decide which theme to help with c) Around alpha 2 get first set of packages done d) Alpha 3 ish - Packes in REVU for inclusion in Universe THIS NEEDS TO BE BEFORE UVF Universe! e) official first release in alphas - publicity for testing - we want to be operating with LP bugtrackers for each theme at this stage. I suggest at this stage all themes have their name ON THE BACKGROUND so bugs get reported to right community theme, f) In line with the main distro final deadline we want images/artwork finished to leave lots of time for bugfixing, final packaging, quality improvements, etc 3) Define the decision process All themes that get into universe should be in ubuntu-community-themes-extra metacpackage A select few complete and excellent themes in ubuntu-community-themes I would add ... 4) Define the process to remove a submission Why? But if we need to can't we just close the LP team for it and remove the package? 5) Define packaging and support requirements See above: a )Must be packaged and in REVU by UVF for Universe. We should try and use LP from the start. b) Must have a 'maintainer' prepared to handle all bugs. Maintenance team preferred. Are there others? I think we should run a few 'Theme Schools' in IRC leading up to the deadline for putting forward a theme a) GTK themeing b) GDM metacity c) PACKAGING and using BZR and LKP -- maybe run this one twice to ensure everyone can make it John I also think there should be an 'Artist in Chief' to facilitate the whole process and ultimately make the final decision of themes for the showcase package (taking into account the opinions of the community). This
Dropping mobile-basic-flash
Hi We're using kourou instead of mobile-basic-flash since intrepid; if you see a reason we shouldn't drop it, please speak up now. Thanks, -- Loïc Minier -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Ubuntu Netbook Remix beta candidate testing
While testing the beta candidate I noted the same issues that in previous releases. The audio is played so low both in the in-built speakers and through the headphones and the touch screen doesn't work at all. This may help: mobetri...@asusr2:~$ sudo lspci -v -nn | grep -A 7 Audio 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 02) Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1753] Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16 Memory at fea38000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 Capabilities: [60] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit+ Queue=0/0 Enable- Capabilities: [70] Express Root Complex Integrated Endpoint, MSI 00 Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel ? mobetri...@asusr2:~$ sudo lsusb -v -s 001:007 Bus 001 Device 007: ID 0eef:0001 D-WAV Scientific Co., Ltd eGalax TouchScreen Device Descriptor: bLength18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 1.10 bDeviceClass0 (Defined at Interface level) bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize064 idVendor 0x0eef D-WAV Scientific Co., Ltd idProduct 0x0001 eGalax TouchScreen bcdDevice1.00 iManufacturer 1 eGalax Inc. iProduct2 USB TouchController iSerial 0 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 34 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 1 eGalax Inc. bmAttributes 0xa0 (Bus Powered) Remote Wakeup MaxPower 100mA Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 3 Human Interface Device bInterfaceSubClass 0 No Subclass bInterfaceProtocol 0 None iInterface 0 HID Device Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType33 bcdHID 2.10 bCountryCode0 Not supported bNumDescriptors 1 bDescriptorType34 Report wDescriptorLength 178 Report Descriptors: ** UNAVAILABLE ** Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN bmAttributes3 Transfer TypeInterrupt Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0008 1x 8 bytes bInterval 3 Device Status: 0x (Bus Powered) Any help to make this work would be much appreciated. Regards, Javi El 31 de marzo de 2009 14:12, Javier Gálvez Guerrero javier.galvez.guerr...@gmail.com escribió: This worked. Thank you. Regards, Javi El 30 de marzo de 2009 18:06, Paul Larson paul.lar...@canonical.comescribió: Javier Gálvez Guerrero wrote: Thank you, Javier, I've installed on an Asus R2 the current development branch version but all windows are too big for the current display size (800x480) and I can't scroll down the screen to see the Accept/Cancel buttons and so on. How can I do it? One thing you might try, is to hold the alt key then left-click and hold somewhere in the window. In some cases, this will allow you to move the window around to a better location. -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Ubuntu Netbook Remix beta candidate testing
Done. They have been filed as bugs #352480https://bugs.launchpad.net/netbook-remix/+bug/352480and #352487 https://bugs.launchpad.net/netbook-remix/+bug/352487. Sorry if the bug description is not accurate enough, but I'm not used to this. If you have any suggestion, it will be welcome =). Regards, Javi El 31 de marzo de 2009 17:38, Paul Larson paul.lar...@canonical.comescribió: Thank you very much for your testing Javier. If you have not already done so, could you please go to https://bugs.launchpad.net/ and open a bug on these issues? Thanks, Paul Larson Javier Gálvez Guerrero wrote: While testing the beta candidate I noted the same issues that in previous releases. The audio is played so low both in the in-built speakers and through the headphones and the touch screen doesn't work at all. This may help: mobetri...@asusr2:~$ sudo lspci -v -nn | grep -A 7 Audio 00:1b.0 Audio device [0403]: Intel Corporation 82801G (ICH7 Family) High Definition Audio Controller [8086:27d8] (rev 02) Subsystem: ASUSTeK Computer Inc. Device [1043:1753] Flags: bus master, fast devsel, latency 0, IRQ 16 Memory at fea38000 (64-bit, non-prefetchable) [size=16K] Capabilities: [50] Power Management version 2 Capabilities: [60] Message Signalled Interrupts: Mask- 64bit+ Queue=0/0 Enable- Capabilities: [70] Express Root Complex Integrated Endpoint, MSI 00 Capabilities: [100] Virtual Channel ? mobetri...@asusr2:~$ sudo lsusb -v -s 001:007 Bus 001 Device 007: ID 0eef:0001 D-WAV Scientific Co., Ltd eGalax TouchScreen Device Descriptor: bLength18 bDescriptorType 1 bcdUSB 1.10 bDeviceClass0 (Defined at Interface level) bDeviceSubClass 0 bDeviceProtocol 0 bMaxPacketSize064 idVendor 0x0eef D-WAV Scientific Co., Ltd idProduct 0x0001 eGalax TouchScreen bcdDevice1.00 iManufacturer 1 eGalax Inc. iProduct2 USB TouchController iSerial 0 bNumConfigurations 1 Configuration Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 2 wTotalLength 34 bNumInterfaces 1 bConfigurationValue 1 iConfiguration 1 eGalax Inc. bmAttributes 0xa0 (Bus Powered) Remote Wakeup MaxPower 100mA Interface Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType 4 bInterfaceNumber0 bAlternateSetting 0 bNumEndpoints 1 bInterfaceClass 3 Human Interface Device bInterfaceSubClass 0 No Subclass bInterfaceProtocol 0 None iInterface 0 HID Device Descriptor: bLength 9 bDescriptorType33 bcdHID 2.10 bCountryCode0 Not supported bNumDescriptors 1 bDescriptorType34 Report wDescriptorLength 178 Report Descriptors: ** UNAVAILABLE ** Endpoint Descriptor: bLength 7 bDescriptorType 5 bEndpointAddress 0x81 EP 1 IN bmAttributes3 Transfer TypeInterrupt Synch Type None Usage Type Data wMaxPacketSize 0x0008 1x 8 bytes bInterval 3 Device Status: 0x (Bus Powered) Any help to make this work would be much appreciated. Regards, Javi El 31 de marzo de 2009 14:12, Javier Gálvez Guerrero javier.galvez.guerr...@gmail.com escribió: This worked. Thank you. Regards, Javi El 30 de marzo de 2009 18:06, Paul Larson paul.lar...@canonical.com escribió: Javier Gálvez Guerrero wrote: Thank you, Javier, I've installed on an Asus R2 the current development branch version but all windows are too big for the current display size (800x480) and I can't scroll down the screen to see the Accept/Cancel buttons and so on. How can I do it? One thing you might try, is to hold the alt key then left-click and hold somewhere in the window. In some cases, this will allow you to move the window around to a better location. -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: Ubuntu Netbook Remix beta candidate testing
On Monday 30 March 2009 19:15:10 Ronald Stewart wrote: Hi, Also, is it in your GNOME ALSA Mixer settings (double click the speaker) you can go into FileChange devices and pick the external card considering that it has a driver in the build or class compliant ? I am not sure that this matters but the Volume Control panel does not include a task bar. It has a drop down selector titled Device: with the options described below. Using your instructions I find that I have the following Device: entries: HDA Intel (Alsa mixer) Realtek ALC269 (OSS Mixer) Playback: HDA Intel - ALC269 Analog (PulseAudio Mixer) Capture: Monitor of HDA Intel - ALC269 Analog (PulseAudio Mixer) Capture: HDA Intel - ALC269 Analog (PulseAudio Mixer) I have tried all of them. When I rub my finger across the mike I can get static out of my speaker but no sound recorded with Audacity. That should help... Thanks Ronald Stewart www.indamixx.com On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:08 PM, Ronald Stewart ronaldjstew...@gmail.com wrote: Hi, Could it be in the alsa mixer that you are getting feedback on the mic input but the input connect in audacity is mic front... two different mic inputs front and mic front ??? Thanks Ronald Stewart www.indamixx.com On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 7:02 PM, Kent Loobey k...@uoregon.edu wrote: On Monday 30 March 2009 17:18:54 Kent Loobey wrote: I have a problem with the screen size of the beta posted on March 30 th. The install display pages fit my Lenovo S10 (1024x600) fine until the Prepare disk space page and it is wider than my display so that the right hand side is cut off. The Prepare partitions page is also cut off on the right hand side. The rest of the install pages continue to be too wide. ALT-left mouse button down lets me move the page around though. Previous versions of Administration-Printing-New would automatically find my network connected printer. This beta was not able to find my printer. Also the Lenovo S10 mike (both external and internal) still doesn't work with software. I tried it with both Audacity and gnome-sound-recorder 2.26.0. I can create a feedback loop by cranking up the volume and the mike-speaker feedback will squeal. So I know mike input works I just can't capture from it with software. On Wednesday 25 March 2009 08:32:54 Paul Larson wrote: There is only a short time left before 9.04 beta, but a beta candidate is available at: http://cdimage.ubuntu.com/cdimage/ubuntu-netbook-remix/daily-live/cur rent /j aunty-netbook-remix-i386.img If you have a netbook, and would like to help, grab the image and a USB stick to boot from and head over to: http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com/qatracker/test/2475 There you will find some basic test plans for testing the install of UNR. While you are waiting on the image to download, you may wish to create an account on http://iso.qa.ubuntu.com so you can log your test results. Even if you are not ready to install a beta of Jaunty UNR on your netbook, you can still help by running through the live boot test that is listed there. Please let us know about any bugs you find, and whether the installs passed or failed on your hardware. Thanks, Paul Larson -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile -- Ubuntu-mobile mailing list Ubuntu-mobile@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-mobile
Re: [ubuntu-in] Continuing Problems with Huawei ETS2288
Ram Ramnarayan.K wrote: :~$ sudo modprobe usbserial vendor=0x0451 product=0x3410 :~$ sudo mknod /dev/ttyUSB0 c 188 0 :~$ sudo mknod /dev/ttyUSB1 c 188 1 Perhaps it might be an idea to create ttyUSB2, ttyUSB3 etc to see if those could be allotted to the WLL modem. Can you try that? Moz -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
[ubuntu-in] Wireless Driver for Dell Inspiron 5160
Hi All, I have a old Dell Inspiron 5160 Laptop, iam not able to get my wireless card working, can someone please guide me. REgards jag -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Wireless Driver for Dell Inspiron 5160
Could you please post the output of sudo lspci -vv ? Regards, Ritesh On Tue, Mar 31, 2009 at 3:39 PM, consoleart console...@gmail.com wrote: Hi All, I have a old Dell Inspiron 5160 Laptop, iam not able to get my wireless card working, can someone please guide me. REgards jag -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in -- Blessed are the forgetful: for they get the better even of their blunders. -- Friedrich Nietzsche -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Wireless Driver for Dell Inspiron 5160
Ritesh Sinha wrote: Could you please post the output of sudo lspci -vv ? That may be too much of output. A better way is : lspci | grep -i network I searched the net, it looks like you have a broadcom chipset. Broadcom does not have open drivers and bcm43xx driver which doesnt always work. Check this: http://ankurs.com/2008/04/installing-ndiswrapper-on-ubuntu-804/ Though you can still make bcm43xx to work, but it doesnt always succeed. Check this: http://djkaos.wordpress.com/2008/10/25/installing-broadcom-80211-linux-sta-driver/ -- Manish Sinha Blog [ http://blog.manishsinha.net/ ] Tech Blog [ http://manishtech.wordpress.com/ ] Twitter [ http://twitter.com/ManishSinha ] -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Wireless Driver for Dell Inspiron 5160
2009/3/31 Manish Sinha (मनीष सिन्हा) m...@manishsinha.net: Ritesh Sinha wrote: Could you please post the output of sudo lspci -vv ? I searched the net, it looks like you have a broadcom chipset. Broadcom does not have open drivers and bcm43xx driver which doesnt always work. Check this: http://ankurs.com/2008/04/installing-ndiswrapper-on-ubuntu-804/ Though you can still make bcm43xx to work, but it doesnt always succeed. Check this: http://djkaos.wordpress.com/2008/10/25/installing-broadcom-80211-linux-sta-driver/ -- Manish Sinha I've got the same wifi chipset on my laptop and it works perfectly well by selecting the Broadcom STA wireless driver from Hardware Drivers. I'm running Ubuntu 8.04.2 on my laptop. Regards, Sarfaraz -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
Re: [ubuntu-in] Wireless Driver for Dell Inspiron 5160
Sarfaraz Kazi wrote: I've got the same wifi chipset on my laptop and it works perfectly well by selecting the Broadcom STA wireless driver from Hardware Drivers. I'm running Ubuntu 8.04.2 on my laptop. You can count yourself as a lucky person. The laptops provided by my college for the present 2nd years have Broadcom chipset and none of them work out of box. Ndiswrapper has always been a simpler solution for them. -- Manish Sinha Blog [ http://blog.manishsinha.net/ ] Tech Blog [ http://manishtech.wordpress.com/ ] Twitter [ http://twitter.com/ManishSinha ] -- ubuntu-in mailing list ubuntu-in@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-in
[Ubuntu-QC] Le Ministère de l'éducation cou che avec Microsoft et c'est nous qui payons la pute
Paru sur Cyberpresse hier. Extraits: Le ministère de l'Éducation remplace ses logiciels sans appel d'offres Sans lancer le moindre appel d'offres, le ministère de l'Éducation a accordé un contrat de 1,32 million à Microsoft pour acquérir 1800 licences de la suite de bureautique Microsoft Office Professionnel 2007. En plus de ces 1800 licences, toutes les commissions scolaires de la province devront également mettre «dès ce printemps» à disposition de leurs employés des ordinateurs équipés du logiciel Office 2007 Professionnel. «Il n'y a pas eu d'appel d'offres, car il y a seulement Microsoft qui donne le logiciel Office 2007», justifie-t-on au ministère de l'Éducation. «Il n'y a pas eu d'appel d'offres, car il y a seulement Microsoft qui donne le logiciel Office 2007», justifie-t-on au ministère de l'Éducation. Cette explication fait bien rire Cyrille Béraud, président de Savoir-faire Linux, une firme montréalaise experte dans l'implantation de logiciels libres en entreprise. «C'est comme si le gouvernement changeait son parc automobile pour des BMW en disant qu'il n'y a que BMW qui fabrique des BMW», affirme-t-il. Lire la suite: http://tinyurl.com/dzjv94 Gilbert Dion gilbertd...@gmail.com -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec
Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Le Ministère de l'éducation couc he avec Microsoft et c'est nous qui payons la put e
ahem... désolé mais je ne trouve pas cela si pertinent. Il n'est même pas question de Linux ici et de changement de système d'exploitation, mais seulement de changement sur un poste de travail qui peut rester en XP (ou vista s'ils sont très masochistes) et de remplacer la suite office par la suite bureautique libre OpenOffice.org par exemple... Et oui le Québec est en retard sur ce point. à ce niveau, c'est même un aveuglement et une erreur historique... En France, dans plusieurs administrations, c'est près de 300.000 postes sous OpenOffice et des investissements dans des PME locales pour les adaptations métiers... au lieu de verser tout cet argent (un peu nos impôts) directement à une boite américaine au lieu de faire profiter le tissu économique locale ce qui aurait été d'autant plus pertinent en cette période économique difficile. Il faudrait les inviter à ma conférence : http://www.actionti.com/_evenements/id/122/eventShowSection/11 Librement, Christophe Villemer 2009/4/1 Maxime Maguire maxime.magu...@gmail.com Commentaire très pertinent. Merci. 2009/3/31 Christian Legault christian.lega...@gmail.com Je vois quelques facteurs: - Est-ce qu'on présente notre produit, le logiciel libre, comme étant facile d'utilisation? - Est-ce qu'il y a de la formation d'adaptation de MS à Linux? Abordable? - Combien coûte le support hautement spécialisé en Linux? (pour le communautaire, par exemple.) - Est-ce facile de recruter du personnel connaissant Linux? Essentiellement, je crois que c'est là le problème. Il faudrait changer notre vision du bon produit. Maintenant qu'on a un bon produit, il faudrait travailler la mise en marché. Ce n'est pas vrai qu'on va vendre Ubuntu en donnant comme argument que c'est un meilleur produit. La personne qui connaît rien à l'informatique ne sait même pas c'est quoi un bon produit! Il faut des gadgets et de la facilité pour installer/utiliser ces gadgets. Il faudrait qu'on aie pas à se questionner si le PC prend ou ne prend pas Ubuntu. Une des forces de Linux, sinon la plus grande, est la polyvalence. Mais cette polyvalence est aussi notre faiblesse parce qu'elle ressemble à des complications aux yeux des néophytes, la majorité. Christian 2009/3/31 Maxime Maguire maxime.magu...@gmail.com En tout cas j'dois dire que le Québec accuse un retard de plus en plus important par rapport aux États-Unis et surtout à l'Europe et l'Amérique du Sud en ce qui concerne l'adoption de logiciels libres. Même le milieu associatif, communautaire et syndical, qui auraient tout intérêt à faire le saut sont très frileux sur la question. J'aimerais bien comprendre pourquoi... 2009/3/31 Gilbert Dion gilbertd...@gmail.com Paru sur Cyberpresse hier. Extraits: Le ministère de l'Éducation remplace ses logiciels sans appel d'offres Sans lancer le moindre appel d'offres, le ministère de l'Éducation a accordé un contrat de 1,32 million à Microsoft pour acquérir 1800 licences de la suite de bureautique Microsoft Office Professionnel 2007. En plus de ces 1800 licences, toutes les commissions scolaires de la province devront également mettre «dès ce printemps» à disposition de leurs employés des ordinateurs équipés du logiciel Office 2007 Professionnel. «Il n'y a pas eu d'appel d'offres, car il y a seulement Microsoft qui donne le logiciel Office 2007», justifie-t-on au ministère de l'Éducation. «Il n'y a pas eu d'appel d'offres, car il y a seulement Microsoft qui donne le logiciel Office 2007», justifie-t-on au ministère de l'Éducation. Cette explication fait bien rire Cyrille Béraud, président de Savoir-faire Linux, une firme montréalaise experte dans l'implantation de logiciels libres en entreprise. «C'est comme si le gouvernement changeait son parc automobile pour des BMW en disant qu'il n'y a que BMW qui fabrique des BMW», affirme-t-il. Lire la suite: http://tinyurl.com/dzjv94 Gilbert Dion gilbertd...@gmail.com -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec -- - Celui qui est le maître de lui-même est plus grand que celui qui est le maître du monde. - Gautama -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec -- - Celui qui est le maître de lui-même est plus grand que celui qui est le maître du monde. - Gautama -- Ubuntu-quebec mailing list Ubuntu-quebec@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-quebec -- Membre de l'April -
Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Le Ministère de l'éducation couc he avec Microsoft et c'est nous qui payons la put e
Encore un petit mot! Ubuntu sonne élitisme à mon oreille. Pourtant, ça fait déjà quelques années que je suis utilisateur et encore plus que je suis en informatique. C'est dommage parce que ça va dans le sens contraire du logiciel libre. Logiciel libre? Ça sonne patenteux, pas structuré, n'importe qui peut le programmer. C'est ça que les gens pensent. En plus que c'est gratuit, il doit bien y avoir une passe, genre du support à prix exorbitant ET des techniciens introuvables. C'est notre job de prouver que ce n'est pas vrai. Je vous remercie d'avoir alimenter cette discussion. Je ne vois pas ça du tout comme un combat, mais plutôt comme la recherche d'un projet de société ou sa mise en oeuvre... Christian Le 31 mars 2009 20:30, Christian Legault christian.lega...@gmail.com a écrit : De là à dire que je suis dans le champs, c'est un peu fort. J'ai travaillé dans des grandes entreprises et dans des ministères. Imaginez-vous que des gens, pas seulement un peu mais tous, voulaient une formation de mise à jour de Word 2000 à Word 2003. Une fortune a été payée en formation de ce genre. La même chose pour le passage de Win98 à XP. Sur le terrain, ça gueulait parce qu'on imposait des changements. J'ai des personnes, des professionnels, qui me parlaient de partir pour leur retraite tellement qu'on leur demandait beaucoup!!! Honnêtement, on aurait pu leur mettre un Linux avec un logo MS et ils auraient pris leur pilulle de la même façon. Dans ce sens, tu as raison. Il y a un manque de volonté du plus haut des cieux. Mais... Nous, ici, on doit faire notre part. Montrer et dire comment c'est facile d'utiliser ces programmes libres dont Linux est le maître d'oeuvre. Je pense que d'avoir une approche plus positive et plus ouverte nous apporterait une plus grande clientèle. Si je montre comment c'est facile de transformer ma musique en MP3 ou de faire du montage vidéo, tout ça légalement, sans virus, ça pourrait intéresser une ou deux personnes de plus. Christian 2009/3/31 Christophe Villemer christo...@villemer.org ahem... désolé mais je ne trouve pas cela si pertinent. Il n'est même pas question de Linux ici et de changement de système d'exploitation, mais seulement de changement sur un poste de travail qui peut rester en XP (ou vista s'ils sont très masochistes) et de remplacer la suite office par la suite bureautique libre OpenOffice.org par exemple... Et oui le Québec est en retard sur ce point. à ce niveau, c'est même un aveuglement et une erreur historique... En France, dans plusieurs administrations, c'est près de 300.000 postes sous OpenOffice et des investissements dans des PME locales pour les adaptations métiers... au lieu de verser tout cet argent (un peu nos impôts) directement à une boite américaine au lieu de faire profiter le tissu économique locale ce qui aurait été d'autant plus pertinent en cette période économique difficile. Il faudrait les inviter à ma conférence : http://www.actionti.com/_evenements/id/122/eventShowSection/11 Librement, Christophe Villemer 2009/4/1 Maxime Maguire maxime.magu...@gmail.com Commentaire très pertinent. Merci. 2009/3/31 Christian Legault christian.lega...@gmail.com Je vois quelques facteurs: - Est-ce qu'on présente notre produit, le logiciel libre, comme étant facile d'utilisation? - Est-ce qu'il y a de la formation d'adaptation de MS à Linux? Abordable? - Combien coûte le support hautement spécialisé en Linux? (pour le communautaire, par exemple.) - Est-ce facile de recruter du personnel connaissant Linux? Essentiellement, je crois que c'est là le problème. Il faudrait changer notre vision du bon produit. Maintenant qu'on a un bon produit, il faudrait travailler la mise en marché. Ce n'est pas vrai qu'on va vendre Ubuntu en donnant comme argument que c'est un meilleur produit. La personne qui connaît rien à l'informatique ne sait même pas c'est quoi un bon produit! Il faut des gadgets et de la facilité pour installer/utiliser ces gadgets. Il faudrait qu'on aie pas à se questionner si le PC prend ou ne prend pas Ubuntu. Une des forces de Linux, sinon la plus grande, est la polyvalence. Mais cette polyvalence est aussi notre faiblesse parce qu'elle ressemble à des complications aux yeux des néophytes, la majorité. Christian 2009/3/31 Maxime Maguire maxime.magu...@gmail.com En tout cas j'dois dire que le Québec accuse un retard de plus en plus important par rapport aux États-Unis et surtout à l'Europe et l'Amérique du Sud en ce qui concerne l'adoption de logiciels libres. Même le milieu associatif, communautaire et syndical, qui auraient tout intérêt à faire le saut sont très frileux sur la question. J'aimerais bien comprendre pourquoi... 2009/3/31 Gilbert Dion gilbertd...@gmail.com Paru sur Cyberpresse hier. Extraits: Le ministère de l'Éducation remplace ses logiciels sans appel d'offres Sans lancer le moindre appel d'offres, le ministère de l'Éducation a accordé
Re: [Ubuntu-QC] Le Ministère de l'éducation couc he avec Microsoft et c'est nous qui payons la pute
Il faut être réaliste aussi, regarder l'implications des mouvements reliés aux logiciels libres en France, et ceux aux Québec et aux Canada. Un exemple? Comparez le site de la FSF France et celui de la FSF Canada, je vous donne la première phrase de chaque site: http://fsffrance.org - La FSF France est une association à but non lucratif (régie par la loi 1901 française), dont le rôle est de promouvoir le Logiciel Libre (Free Software) en France. http://www.fsf.ca/ - This is the future website of the Free Software Foundation in Canada. (traduction: Ceci est le future site web de la FSF au Canada.) Autrement dit, au Québec, le gouvernement doit payer très cher (125$ de l'heure sa serai dans la moyenne apparemment) des compagnies très spécialisés, qui n'ont à coeur que de faire de l'argent en vendant leurs services. Il n'y a personne au Québec et au Canada pour transmettre les valeurs véhiculé par la FSF(http://www.fsf.org). La FSF à été fondé en 1985 au USA, et la liste de diffusion de la FSF France date de 2001. La France a alors 8 ans d'avance sur nous. Alors venez pas me dire ah bin là le gouvernement fait ceci ou cela. On as obtenu ce qu'on a semé, c'est à dire, rien du tout! Il ne peuvent pas envisager utiliser un produit dont ils n'ont jamais entendu parler en bien. Tout ce qu'ils savent, c'est que ce que le support technique va leur couter s'ils utilisent des logiciels libres, sans compter les frais associé à l'éducation du personnel. Si je me souvient bien, chez Savoir-Faire Linux justement, c'est au alentour de 1200$ pour un cour de 3 jours, genre introduction à Linux... Alors y peuvent bien parler et trainer en cours qui y voudront, ils ne sont pas les mieux placé pour véhiculer les valeurs du libre. Et là c'est plàte mais au Québéc beaucoup on tendance à être chialeux et à accepter difficilement le changement. C'est plus facile d'agir maintenant et de justifier d'avoir commit une erreur par la suite que d'avoir à expliquer que sa leur tente tout simplement pas d'avoir à apprendre à utiliser un nouveau logiciel. Sa toujours fonctionné comme ça icitte et je vois pas pourquoi sa étonne encore le monde. C'était mon petit grin de sel... ;) David Giard Christophe Villemer a écrit : ahem... désolé mais je ne trouve pas cela si pertinent. Il n'est même pas question de Linux ici et de changement de système d'exploitation, mais seulement de changement sur un poste de travail qui peut rester en XP (ou vista s'ils sont très masochistes) et de remplacer la suite office par la suite bureautique libre OpenOffice.org par exemple... Et oui le Québec est en retard sur ce point. à ce niveau, c'est même un aveuglement et une erreur historique... En France, dans plusieurs administrations, c'est près de 300.000 postes sous OpenOffice et des investissements dans des PME locales pour les adaptations métiers... au lieu de verser tout cet argent (un peu nos impôts) directement à une boite américaine au lieu de faire profiter le tissu économique locale ce qui aurait été d'autant plus pertinent en cette période économique difficile. Il faudrait les inviter à ma conférence : http://www.actionti.com/_evenements/id/122/eventShowSection/11 Librement, Christophe Villemer 2009/4/1 Maxime Maguire maxime.magu...@gmail.com mailto:maxime.magu...@gmail.com Commentaire très pertinent. Merci. 2009/3/31 Christian Legault christian.lega...@gmail.com mailto:christian.lega...@gmail.com Je vois quelques facteurs: - Est-ce qu'on présente notre produit, le logiciel libre, comme étant facile d'utilisation? - Est-ce qu'il y a de la formation d'adaptation de MS à Linux? Abordable? - Combien coûte le support hautement spécialisé en Linux? (pour le communautaire, par exemple.) - Est-ce facile de recruter du personnel connaissant Linux? Essentiellement, je crois que c'est là le problème. Il faudrait changer notre vision du bon produit. Maintenant qu'on a un bon produit, il faudrait travailler la mise en marché. Ce n'est pas vrai qu'on va vendre Ubuntu en donnant comme argument que c'est un meilleur produit. La personne qui connaît rien à l'informatique ne sait même pas c'est quoi un bon produit! Il faut des gadgets et de la facilité pour installer/utiliser ces gadgets. Il faudrait qu'on aie pas à se questionner si le PC prend ou ne prend pas Ubuntu. Une des forces de Linux, sinon la plus grande, est la polyvalence. Mais cette polyvalence est aussi notre faiblesse parce qu'elle ressemble à des complications aux yeux des néophytes, la majorité. Christian 2009/3/31 Maxime Maguire maxime.magu...@gmail.com mailto:maxime.magu...@gmail.com En tout cas j'dois dire que le Québec accuse un retard de plus en plus important par rapport aux
Re: [ubuntu-uk] VirtualBox
2009/3/30 David King linux...@avoura.com: I use Virtual Box on Ubuntu 8.04 AMD64. It is version 2.0.6, but the Ubuntu package manager keeps telling me there is an updated version available, which is version 2.0. Are you sure? I can only see version 2.0.4 of virtualbox-ose in the repositories for Ubuntu 8.10 at the moment I think version 2.1 will be available in Ubuntu 9.04 (but could be remembering wrong). -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] [marketing] great-grandma-takes-internet-shopping-by-storm-with-ubuntu
I have posted this expos'e of how easy it is for a great grandma to do internet shopping on her own with Ubuntu http://dnc.digitalunite.com/2009/03/31/great-grandma-takes-internet-shopping-by-storm-with-ubuntu-linux/ It would be great to think it might get some good coverage, any suggestions please about where I could post about it? Or mention it yourself elsewhere by all means. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user. No viruses were harmed in the sending of this message. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] VirtualBox
On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 22:48 +0100, David King wrote: I use Virtual Box on Ubuntu 8.04 AMD64. It is version 2.0.6, but the Ubuntu package manager keeps telling me there is an updated version available, which is version 2.0. I downloaded 2.1.4 from the Virtual Box website, and installed that, but when I run Virtual Box all I get is the old 2.0.6 version again. Where would the new version be installed? I currently run it from the icon that is the menus, which just has the command VirtualBox. David King Chances are you have the virtualbox debian repository enabled, (http://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Linux_Downloads) but have synaptic set up to always prefer official repository versions over the latest version available, thus even though 2.1 is available to you, it will keep offering to install the earlier version. -- Gordon Allott gordall...@gmail.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] great-grandma-takes-internet-shopping-by-storm-with-ubuntu
I tweeted about it on @otfrom, but I think digg, reddit or slashdot would be the place to go. 2009 - The year of the linux desktop for Great Grandmas? cheers, Bruce 2009/3/31 alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com: I have posted this expos'e of how easy it is for a great grandma to do internet shopping on her own with Ubuntu http://dnc.digitalunite.com/2009/03/31/great-grandma-takes-internet-shopping-by-storm-with-ubuntu-linux/ It would be great to think it might get some good coverage, any suggestions please about where I could post about it? Or mention it yourself elsewhere by all means. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user. No viruses were harmed in the sending of this message. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] great-grandma-takes-internet-shopping-by-storm-with-ubuntu
me too: http://twitter.com/yishaym/status/1424196619 2009/3/31 Bruce Durling b...@otfrom.com I tweeted about it on @otfrom, but I think digg, reddit or slashdot would be the place to go. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] remote accessing an ubuntu machine (vnc or similar)
Hi -- I already remotely administrate a PC for my Mum one for my Dad, and both are Windows machines. So LogMeIn.com is perfect for those. However, I am setting up an Ubuntu machine for my brother that will also require remote administration, and was wondering about the best way to set that up. Unfortunately, LogMeIn.com only works for Mac and Windows. Could anyone offer any advice? Cheers, Doug. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] great-grandma-takes-internet-shopping-by-storm-with-ubuntu
Yishay, I like the tag line you put with it. Better than mine. :-) 2009/3/31 Yishay Mor yish...@gmail.com: me too: http://twitter.com/yishaym/status/1424196619 2009/3/31 Bruce Durling b...@otfrom.com I tweeted about it on @otfrom, but I think digg, reddit or slashdot would be the place to go. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] remote accessing an ubuntu machine (vnc or similar)
Cheers for that -- I'm just doing some work-related reading on OpenSSL, so that's all very synchronous! ;) 2009/3/31 Ciarán Mooney general.moo...@googlemail.com Hi, Linux has had this for years. You can use both a shell login (that gives you a terminal on the remote machine) or combine it with VNC. VNC will enable you to have a remote graphic desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC Have a read of those two pages, and have a stab at it. You will have to get your hands a bit dirtier than with LogMeIn, but you'll have a more secure connection with no mysterious third parties involved. You will definately have to forward some ports on routers and firewalls. Good luck. Ciarán On 3/31/09, doug livesey biot...@gmail.com wrote: Hi -- I already remotely administrate a PC for my Mum one for my Dad, and both are Windows machines. So LogMeIn.com is perfect for those. However, I am setting up an Ubuntu machine for my brother that will also require remote administration, and was wondering about the best way to set that up. Unfortunately, LogMeIn.com only works for Mac and Windows. Could anyone offer any advice? Cheers, Doug. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] remote accessing an ubuntu machine (vnc or similar)
Well that's lucky! I'm not sure how related OpenSSL and OpenSSH are though. To be honest don't get frustrated if you can't figure out what to do. I find it very confusing, but I've just about got my head around it. Ciarán On 3/31/09, doug livesey biot...@gmail.com wrote: Cheers for that -- I'm just doing some work-related reading on OpenSSL, so that's all very synchronous! ;) 2009/3/31 Ciarán Mooney general.moo...@googlemail.com Hi, Linux has had this for years. You can use both a shell login (that gives you a terminal on the remote machine) or combine it with VNC. VNC will enable you to have a remote graphic desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC Have a read of those two pages, and have a stab at it. You will have to get your hands a bit dirtier than with LogMeIn, but you'll have a more secure connection with no mysterious third parties involved. You will definately have to forward some ports on routers and firewalls. Good luck. Ciarán On 3/31/09, doug livesey biot...@gmail.com wrote: Hi -- I already remotely administrate a PC for my Mum one for my Dad, and both are Windows machines. So LogMeIn.com is perfect for those. However, I am setting up an Ubuntu machine for my brother that will also require remote administration, and was wondering about the best way to set that up. Unfortunately, LogMeIn.com only works for Mac and Windows. Could anyone offer any advice? Cheers, Doug. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Realtek 8187b Wireless VERY VERY slow
Gordon wrote: Installed 8.10 using WUBI on my Toshiba Satellite L40. Realtek 8187B Wireless card will see the network and connect to it, but is so slow as to be unusable. Are there any fixes that people know about for this? Solved! (Sort of...) it seems that the drivers supplied with Ubuntu 8.10 are very susceptible to distance, and don't like being too far away from the WAP! I moved he laptop about 6 feet, and got 100% signal, and am downloading updates at the top rate of our broadband as we speak! Thanks to all who replied. (I might see about getting another WAP to use as a bridge) -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] remote accessing an ubuntu machine (vnc or similar)
Apparently OpenSSH uses OpenSSL extensively -- that's what me book says, anyway. Probably not on any level that I'll ever need to know about, though. I use SSH at work (in a safe environment), so once I've got it set up, at least I'll be familiar with the easy bits. 2009/3/31 Ciarán Mooney general.moo...@googlemail.com Well that's lucky! I'm not sure how related OpenSSL and OpenSSH are though. To be honest don't get frustrated if you can't figure out what to do. I find it very confusing, but I've just about got my head around it. Ciarán On 3/31/09, doug livesey biot...@gmail.com wrote: Cheers for that -- I'm just doing some work-related reading on OpenSSL, so that's all very synchronous! ;) 2009/3/31 Ciarán Mooney general.moo...@googlemail.com Hi, Linux has had this for years. You can use both a shell login (that gives you a terminal on the remote machine) or combine it with VNC. VNC will enable you to have a remote graphic desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC Have a read of those two pages, and have a stab at it. You will have to get your hands a bit dirtier than with LogMeIn, but you'll have a more secure connection with no mysterious third parties involved. You will definately have to forward some ports on routers and firewalls. Good luck. Ciarán On 3/31/09, doug livesey biot...@gmail.com wrote: Hi -- I already remotely administrate a PC for my Mum one for my Dad, and both are Windows machines. So LogMeIn.com is perfect for those. However, I am setting up an Ubuntu machine for my brother that will also require remote administration, and was wondering about the best way to set that up. Unfortunately, LogMeIn.com only works for Mac and Windows. Could anyone offer any advice? Cheers, Doug. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] remote accessing an ubuntu machine (vnc or similar)
Well ssh is the easy bit! I always got confused with setting up the ssh tunnel on the machine you were sitting at. I think I've got it now though. The actual setting up of OpenSSH and VNC on the remote machine was easy. It's connecting to the damn things though firewalls and stuff! Ciarán On 3/31/09, doug livesey biot...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently OpenSSH uses OpenSSL extensively -- that's what me book says, anyway. Probably not on any level that I'll ever need to know about, though. I use SSH at work (in a safe environment), so once I've got it set up, at least I'll be familiar with the easy bits. 2009/3/31 Ciarán Mooney general.moo...@googlemail.com Well that's lucky! I'm not sure how related OpenSSL and OpenSSH are though. To be honest don't get frustrated if you can't figure out what to do. I find it very confusing, but I've just about got my head around it. Ciarán On 3/31/09, doug livesey biot...@gmail.com wrote: Cheers for that -- I'm just doing some work-related reading on OpenSSL, so that's all very synchronous! ;) 2009/3/31 Ciarán Mooney general.moo...@googlemail.com Hi, Linux has had this for years. You can use both a shell login (that gives you a terminal on the remote machine) or combine it with VNC. VNC will enable you to have a remote graphic desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC Have a read of those two pages, and have a stab at it. You will have to get your hands a bit dirtier than with LogMeIn, but you'll have a more secure connection with no mysterious third parties involved. You will definately have to forward some ports on routers and firewalls. Good luck. Ciarán On 3/31/09, doug livesey biot...@gmail.com wrote: Hi -- I already remotely administrate a PC for my Mum one for my Dad, and both are Windows machines. So LogMeIn.com is perfect for those. However, I am setting up an Ubuntu machine for my brother that will also require remote administration, and was wondering about the best way to set that up. Unfortunately, LogMeIn.com only works for Mac and Windows. Could anyone offer any advice? Cheers, Doug. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joiku wireless connection......
Sorrym to keep on about this, but I am still having problems. i just wondered, could there be something wrong with the networkmanager applet? Could somebody help please? Thank you. John On 26/03/2009, John jake...@sky.com wrote: I'm wondering if its an authentication problem. Is there something in the settings in the network manager or even Ubuntu itself that might be causing this? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] remote accessing an ubuntu machine (vnc or similar)
I'll look forwards to that, then! Cheers again, man, Doug. 2009/3/31 Ciarán Mooney general.moo...@googlemail.com Well ssh is the easy bit! I always got confused with setting up the ssh tunnel on the machine you were sitting at. I think I've got it now though. The actual setting up of OpenSSH and VNC on the remote machine was easy. It's connecting to the damn things though firewalls and stuff! Ciarán On 3/31/09, doug livesey biot...@gmail.com wrote: Apparently OpenSSH uses OpenSSL extensively -- that's what me book says, anyway. Probably not on any level that I'll ever need to know about, though. I use SSH at work (in a safe environment), so once I've got it set up, at least I'll be familiar with the easy bits. 2009/3/31 Ciarán Mooney general.moo...@googlemail.com Well that's lucky! I'm not sure how related OpenSSL and OpenSSH are though. To be honest don't get frustrated if you can't figure out what to do. I find it very confusing, but I've just about got my head around it. Ciarán On 3/31/09, doug livesey biot...@gmail.com wrote: Cheers for that -- I'm just doing some work-related reading on OpenSSL, so that's all very synchronous! ;) 2009/3/31 Ciarán Mooney general.moo...@googlemail.com Hi, Linux has had this for years. You can use both a shell login (that gives you a terminal on the remote machine) or combine it with VNC. VNC will enable you to have a remote graphic desktop. https://help.ubuntu.com/community/SSHHowto https://help.ubuntu.com/community/VNC Have a read of those two pages, and have a stab at it. You will have to get your hands a bit dirtier than with LogMeIn, but you'll have a more secure connection with no mysterious third parties involved. You will definately have to forward some ports on routers and firewalls. Good luck. Ciarán On 3/31/09, doug livesey biot...@gmail.com wrote: Hi -- I already remotely administrate a PC for my Mum one for my Dad, and both are Windows machines. So LogMeIn.com is perfect for those. However, I am setting up an Ubuntu machine for my brother that will also require remote administration, and was wondering about the best way to set that up. Unfortunately, LogMeIn.com only works for Mac and Windows. Could anyone offer any advice? Cheers, Doug. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] remote accessing an ubuntu machine (vnc or similar)
doug livesey wrote: Hi -- I already remotely administrate a PC for my Mum one for my Dad, and both are Windows machines. So LogMeIn.com http://LogMeIn.com is perfect for those. However, I am setting up an Ubuntu machine for my brother that will also require remote administration, and was wondering about the best way to set that up. Unfortunately, LogMeIn.com only works for Mac and Windows. Could anyone offer any advice? Cheers, Doug. There is the option to connect to a remote desktop (System, Preferences, Remote Desktop) which would probably work. IIRC it also now supports encrypted connections (although I haven't personally tried that). As far as I can tell the only issue is the user would have to be logged in for it to work. You can also specify that they accept the connection (just for that added bit of security, you could tell them not to accept it unless you call them). You would need to forward some ports on the router and it would probably be a good idea to setup a Dynamic DNS account for them (the router should normally support dyndns.org) to make life easier connecting if they are on a dynamic IP. Hope this helps. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joiku wireless connection......
Quoting jakewc2 jake...@sky.com: Sorrym to keep on about this, but I am still having problems. i just wondered, could there be something wrong with the networkmanager applet? Could somebody help please? Thank you. John If there is a problem with network manager, you could use wubi, an alternative to network manager. It bills itself as an open source wired and wireless network manager for Linux which aims to provide a simple interface to connect to networks with a wide variety of settings, and allows you to do pretty much the same as Network Manager. However, if you want a wicd applet, you'll have to set '/opt/wicd/tray.py' to run at startup. To install, you first need to remove network manager by opening a terminal (Accessories Terminal) and running 'sudo apt-get remove network-manager network-manager-applet'. When this is done, run the command 'sudo apt-get install wicd'. Harry -- O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] remote accessing an ubuntu machine (vnc or similar)
doug livesey wrote: Hi -- I already remotely administrate a PC for my Mum one for my Dad, and both are Windows machines. So LogMeIn.com is perfect for those. However, I am setting up an Ubuntu machine for my brother that will also require remote administration, and was wondering about the best way to set that up. Unfortunately, LogMeIn.com only works for Mac and Windows. Could anyone offer any advice? Cheers, Doug. by chance I have just posted a link here in an other thread great-grandma-takes-internet-shopping-by-storm-with-ubuntu http://dnc.digitalunite.com/2009/03/31/shopping-delivered-by-ubuntu-linux/ mmm. I would have to think a bit to remember quite all that I did though. I used ubuntuforums a lot and posted summaries there. (under username candtalan) -- alan cocks Ubuntu user #10391 Linux user #360648 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] great-grandma-takes-internet-shopping-by-storm-with-ubuntu
Bruce Durling wrote: I tweeted about it on @otfrom, but I think digg, reddit or slashdot would be the place to go. thanks. How do I get it marked for digg, reddit and slashdot? alan 2009 - The year of the linux desktop for Great Grandmas? cheers, Bruce 2009/3/31 alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com: I have posted this expos'e of how easy it is for a great grandma to do internet shopping on her own with Ubuntu http://dnc.digitalunite.com/2009/03/31/great-grandma-takes-internet-shopping-by-storm-with-ubuntu-linux/ It would be great to think it might get some good coverage, any suggestions please about where I could post about it? Or mention it yourself elsewhere by all means. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user. No viruses were harmed in the sending of this message. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- alan cocks Ubuntu user #10391 Linux user #360648 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joiku wireless connection......
2009/3/31 Harry Rickards hricka...@l33tmyst.com: If there is a problem with network manager, you could use wubi, an You mean WICD, not WUBI. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] great-grandma-takes-internet-shopping-by-storm-with-ubuntu
On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 16:07 +0100, alan c wrote: Bruce Durling wrote: I tweeted about it on @otfrom, but I think digg, reddit or slashdot would be the place to go. thanks. How do I get it marked for digg, reddit and slashdot? alan stuck it on digg for you http://digg.com/linux_unix/Shopping_delivered_to_Great_Grandma_by_Ubuntu_Linux digg it up people :) -- Gordon Allott gordall...@gmail.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Joiku wireless connection......
Quoting Alan Pope a...@popey.com: 2009/3/31 Harry Rickards hricka...@l33tmyst.com: ... You mean WICD, not WUBI. ... Sorry, yeah. I keep on typing the wrong thing today. -- O ascii ribbon campaign - stop html mail - www.asciiribbon.org -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] great-grandma-takes-internet-shopping-by-storm-with-ubuntu
Can I use it in Full Circle magazine next month? We did a story a good year or so ago on a similar theme, written by Knightwise, about his 'Ubuntu Granny' using Ubuntu on her EEE that they bought her. BTW: just don't let her near Twitter, it's too addictive!!! ;D If anyone else has Ubuntu themed stories/articles we're always looking for stuff... alan c wrote: I have posted this expos'e of how easy it is for a great grandma to do internet shopping on her own with Ubuntu http://dnc.digitalunite.com/2009/03/31/great-grandma-takes-internet-shopping-by-storm-with-ubuntu-linux/ It would be great to think it might get some good coverage, any suggestions please about where I could post about it? Or mention it yourself elsewhere by all means. -- Ronnie Tucker ron...@fullcirclemagazine.org FullcircleMagazine.org Jabber: ronnietuc...@jabber.org Registered Linux User # 456627 Registered Ubuntu User # 18227 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] great-grandma-takes-internet-shopping-by-storm-with-ubuntu
On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 16:29 +0100, Gordon Allott wrote: On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 16:07 +0100, alan c wrote: Bruce Durling wrote: I tweeted about it on @otfrom, but I think digg, reddit or slashdot would be the place to go. thanks. How do I get it marked for digg, reddit and slashdot? alan stuck it on digg for you http://digg.com/linux_unix/Shopping_delivered_to_Great_Grandma_by_Ubuntu_Linux digg it up people :) I've just seeded to Newsvine! http://djd.newsvine.com/_news/2009/03/31/2622420-shopping-delivered-to-great-grandma-by-ubuntu-linux David -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] remote accessing an ubuntu machine (vnc or similar)
Gitso looks perfect, cheers! I don't want access any time -- I could get blamed for things, then! 2009/3/31 Stephen Garton sheepeating...@sheepeatingtaz.co.uk 2009/3/31 doug livesey biot...@gmail.com Hi -- I already remotely administrate a PC for my Mum one for my Dad, and both are Windows machines. So LogMeIn.com is perfect for those. However, I am setting up an Ubuntu machine for my brother that will also require remote administration, and was wondering about the best way to set that up. Unfortunately, LogMeIn.com only works for Mac and Windows. Could anyone offer any advice? Cheers, Doug. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ I have used gitso (http://code.google.com/p/gitso/) with a reasonable amount of success, for connecting linux and windows machines in all configurations (i.e. L-L, L-W, W-L and W-W). I say reasonable amount of success purely because I don't use it very often, but everytime I've needed it it works. It does require instigating by an end user (i.e. they ask for help) which is different to having full access as and when you want it, but if you are just supporting your brother, it could be ideal. If you do want access anytime, then +1 to the ssh option mentioned later in the thread to where I have replied from. Steve Garton sheepeatingtaz.co.uk -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] remote accessing an ubuntu machine (vnc or similar)
2009/3/31 doug livesey biot...@gmail.com: Hi -- I already remotely administrate a PC for my Mum one for my Dad, and both are Windows machines. So LogMeIn.com is perfect for those. However, I am setting up an Ubuntu machine for my brother that will also require remote administration, and was wondering about the best way to set that up. Unfortunately, LogMeIn.com only works for Mac and Windows. Could anyone offer any advice? LogMeIn offers a Linux version of their VPN software. Look for Hamachi VPN from the same website. You can configure Hamachi to start automatically on the target computer and thus establish a secure VPN with your computer. Then, on the target computer go to System/Preferences/Remote desktop and enable the remote desktop feature. The Remote Desktop will be enabled obviously for the local network, however you can access through Hamachi. Hamachi is not open-source software. Simos -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] great-grandma-takes-internet-shopping-by-storm-with-ubuntu
Ronnie Tucker wrote: Can I use it in Full Circle magazine next month? Yes please! Either in full or edited. If you can also give the DU site a plug it will be useful too because until I recently came along they thought the world was only Windows. :-) I hope that an active interest into their site re Ubuntu will awaken them to how useful a reliable secure and stable OS is - for elderly and vulnerable novices. I would have had nightmares trying to do this with credit cards and Windows in the circumstances. It is a long little old piece, I will be happy to work with you to shrink it and if that is needed please give me some guidance? alan c We did a story a good year or so ago on a similar theme, written by Knightwise, about his 'Ubuntu Granny' using Ubuntu on her EEE that they bought her. BTW: just don't let her near Twitter, it's too addictive!!! ;D LOL At the moment she is happy that the internet is one very big shop. If anyone else has Ubuntu themed stories/articles we're always looking for stuff... alan c wrote: I have posted this expos'e of how easy it is for a great grandma to do internet shopping on her own with Ubuntu http://dnc.digitalunite.com/2009/03/31/great-grandma-takes-internet-shopping-by-storm-with-ubuntu-linux/ It would be great to think it might get some good coverage, any suggestions please about where I could post about it? Or mention it yourself elsewhere by all means. -- Ronnie Tucker ron...@fullcirclemagazine.org FullcircleMagazine.org Jabber: ronnietuc...@jabber.org Registered Linux User # 456627 Registered Ubuntu User # 18227 -- Ubuntu user #10391 Linux user #360648 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] great-grandma-takes-internet-shopping-by-storm-with-ubuntu
Dianne Reuby wrote: I've Stumbled it. Thanks Dianne Do yuo have a link I could refer to? I am not into stumble, does it work like that with a link? It also says a lot about PC training courses - I know they can't tailor a course for every student, but they don't seem to offer stuff that will be useful for the average new user. I know my widowed cousin asked about a course that was running locally, and was told she was too old to learn! I wonder how many PCs are sitting unused because the surviving partner can't use it. Yes I had to smile when she told about the friend who could invert a printer font Dianne On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 13:59 +0100, alan c wrote: I have posted this expos'e of how easy it is for a great grandma to do internet shopping on her own with Ubuntu http://dnc.digitalunite.com/2009/03/31/great-grandma-takes-internet-shopping-by-storm-with-ubuntu-linux/ It would be great to think it might get some good coverage, any suggestions please about where I could post about it? Or mention it yourself elsewhere by all means. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user. No viruses were harmed in the sending of this message. -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] great-grandma-takes-internet-shopping-by-storm-with-ubuntu
2009/3/31 alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com: Dianne Reuby wrote: I've Stumbled it. Thanks Dianne Do yuo have a link I could refer to? I am not into stumble, does it work like that with a link? Stumbleupon works by people having a toolbar in their browser. Two things happen. 1) People submit stuff they 'find' but clicking a little thumbs up icon. They give it a description, tags etc and that's it, it's in the stumbleupon database. 2) People get bored, and click the 'stumble' button in the toolbar, if their profile matches the tags on that submitted page they may get to see it, and they can then (optionally) thumbs up or thumbs down the article. You can visit stumbleupon and find the link to the submitted site but that's generally not how it's used. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] great-grandma-takes-internet-shopping-by-storm-with-ubuntu
I think this is it: http://freesitebuilder.stumbleupon.com/blog/ Dianne On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 17:58 +0100, alan c wrote: Do yuo have a link I could refer to? I am not into stumble, does it work like that with a link? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Firefox, Swiftfox and Swiftweasel
Hey everyone, I've been experiencing some issues with Firefox lately (freezing during general use, lagging during Flash video playback, etc.). So I looked into it and it appears that the binary provided in Ubuntu for Firefox doesn't use some special compiler/compile method that is used on the Windows binaries. Next I found Swiftfox but because it is proprietary software I continued to search the web until I came across Swiftweasel (which is AFAIK the same thing but without the Firefox branding). Unfortunately the latest *.deb provided is for version 3.0.3 (there have been numerous security patches since then) and the tar.gz along with instructions for 3.0.8 does not appear to work on Ubuntu (I've tried it). So I've been using Swiftweasel 3.0.3 lately and didn't notice much difference which led me to believe that my Firefox profile might have been damaged by an extension or simply have gotten crowded over the years. Thus I created a new profile but when trying to install Google Gears in Swiftweasel it wouldn't acknowledge installation on any Gears enabled websites. So I copied my profile over to Firefox and got Gears to work in that now leaving me running a newish profile under Firefox with a few questions. 1) How much better will the performance be from Swiftweasel? Is it worth migrating this profile back to the browser with the understanding that Gears will probably work now it's been installed? As such should I spend further time trying to get the Firefox 3.0.8 tar.gz to work in Ubuntu or just settle for 3.0.3 knowing there is exposed security flaws in it? 2) How come Firefox is so slow on GNU/Linux anyway? I've been looking at threads on the Ubuntu forums where people go as far as to say that Firefox is as much as twice as fast on Windows XP. Surely someone inside Canonical will compile Firefox using the same compiling technique as used with Windows if that is what's causing the problem. Otherwise how come that a FOSS browser is slower on the most open platform OS when the majority of its users on said platform are developers? I have an Intel Core 2 Duo CPU (2MB Cache) T5750 @ 2.00GHz along with 2GB of RAM (over half of which isn't being used). This doesn't seem to be a question of insufficient hardware to me. I await your replies, Jai Venko -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] remote accessing an ubuntu machine (vnc or similar)
Stephen Garton wrote: 2009/3/31 doug livesey biot...@gmail.com mailto:biot...@gmail.com Hi -- I already remotely administrate a PC for my Mum one for my Dad, and both are Windows machines. So LogMeIn.com http://LogMeIn.com is perfect for those. However, I am setting up an Ubuntu machine for my brother that will also require remote administration, and was wondering about the best way to set that up. Unfortunately, LogMeIn.com only works for Mac and Windows. Could anyone offer any advice? Cheers, Doug. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ I have used gitso (http://code.google.com/p/gitso/) with a reasonable amount of success, for connecting linux and windows machines in all configurations (i.e. L-L, L-W, W-L and W-W). I say reasonable amount of success purely because I don't use it very often, but everytime I've needed it it works. It does require instigating by an end user (i.e. they ask for help) which is different to having full access as and when you want it, but if you are just supporting your brother, it could be ideal. If you do want access anytime, then +1 to the ssh option mentioned later in the thread to where I have replied from. Steve Garton sheepeatingtaz.co.uk http://sheepeatingtaz.co.uk Oooh that looks good. Most of the customers I support (and family too) are on Windows so I generally use LogMeIn for supporting them but there are one or two people who I support who are on Ubuntu (and this is going to increase too) so this looks really handy. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] [marketing] great-grandma-takes-internet-shopping-by-storm-with-ubuntu
I've Stumbled it. It also says a lot about PC training courses - I know they can't tailor a course for every student, but they don't seem to offer stuff that will be useful for the average new user. I know my widowed cousin asked about a course that was running locally, and was told she was too old to learn! I wonder how many PCs are sitting unused because the surviving partner can't use it. What a gross, ageist attitude to take with regards to training courses. My brother, who is knocking on 73 runs a course arranged by Age Concern, for his contemporaries and younger. Norman -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] remote accessing an ubuntu machine (vnc or similar)
Stephen Garton wrote: I have used gitso (http://code.google.com/p/gitso/) with a reasonable amount of success, for connecting linux and windows machines in all configurations (i.e. L-L, L-W, W-L and W-W). I say reasonable amount of success purely because I don't use it very often, but everytime I've needed it it works. It does require instigating by an end user (i.e. they ask for help) which is different to having full access as and when you want it, but if you are just supporting your brother, it could be ideal. If you do want access anytime, then +1 to the ssh option mentioned later in the thread to where I have replied from. Steve Garton sheepeatingtaz.co.uk http://sheepeatingtaz.co.uk gitso is good, as is x11vnc --connect ip address of supporter where the supporter is running a listening VNC viewer. The good thing about doing it this way is that the supportee can be on a dynamic IP address (or even if it is static they have no idea what their address is or how to set up an inbound connection which amounts to the same thing) You just map port 5500 to your PC on your firewall and run a listening VNC viewer. The supportee has no black magic to do on their router. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Firefox, Swiftfox and Swiftweasel
I have Firefox on two machines side-by-side right now, one running Ubuntu 8.10 and the other running Windows XP, and Firefox runs extremely fast on the Ubuntu machine and extremely slow on the Windows one. I admit the machine running Ubuntu has a faster CPU, but the freezing and lagging you describe are and have always been Windows-related problems for me, and I have had none of them on the Ubuntu machine at all. Perhaps you are using an older version of Ubuntu, like 8.04? On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 21:02 +0100, ubuntu-uk-requ...@lists.ubuntu.com wrote: Message: 8 Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:52:23 +0100 From: Jai Harrison j...@jaiharrison.com Subject: [ubuntu-uk] Firefox, Swiftfox and Swiftweasel To: British Ubuntu Talk ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com Message-ID: 37eeeb790903311152o36ef84c0l640b95400b400...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Hey everyone, I've been experiencing some issues with Firefox lately (freezing during general use, lagging during Flash video playback, etc.). So I looked into it and it appears that the binary provided in Ubuntu for Firefox doesn't use some special compiler/compile method that is used on the Windows binaries. Next I found Swiftfox but because it is proprietary software I continued to search the web until I came across Swiftweasel (which is AFAIK the same thing but without the Firefox branding). Unfortunately the latest *.deb provided is for version 3.0.3 (there have been numerous security patches since then) and the tar.gz along with instructions for 3.0.8 does not appear to work on Ubuntu (I've tried it). So I've been using Swiftweasel 3.0.3 lately and didn't notice much difference which led me to believe that my Firefox profile might have been damaged by an extension or simply have gotten crowded over the years. Thus I created a new profile but when trying to install Google Gears in Swiftweasel it wouldn't acknowledge installation on any Gears enabled websites. So I copied my profile over to Firefox and got Gears to work in that now leaving me running a newish profile under Firefox with a few questions. 1) How much better will the performance be from Swiftweasel? Is it worth migrating this profile back to the browser with the understanding that Gears will probably work now it's been installed? As such should I spend further time trying to get the Firefox 3.0.8 tar.gz to work in Ubuntu or just settle for 3.0.3 knowing there is exposed security flaws in it? 2) How come Firefox is so slow on GNU/Linux anyway? I've been looking at threads on the Ubuntu forums where people go as far as to say that Firefox is as much as twice as fast on Windows XP. Surely someone inside Canonical will compile Firefox using the same compiling technique as used with Windows if that is what's causing the problem. Otherwise how come that a FOSS browser is slower on the most open platform OS when the majority of its users on said platform are developers? I have an Intel Core 2 Duo CPU (2MB Cache) T5750 @ 2.00GHz along with 2GB of RAM (over half of which isn't being used). This doesn't seem to be a question of insufficient hardware to me. I await your replies, Jai Venko -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu broken, low graphics mode, no sound
I have booted into Ubuntu 3 times, and each time, it only boots into low graphics mode and with no sound. The only thing different is having installed Virtual Box last night, and now I cannot get Ubuntu working properly. What can I do to fix it? David King -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Firefox, Swiftfox and Swiftweasel
On Tue, 31 Mar 2009 19:52:23 +0100, Jai Harrison wrote: I've been experiencing some issues with Firefox lately (freezing during general use, lagging during Flash video playback, etc.). I'm using FF on 2 machines with Ubuntu 8.04. Yes, starting at the first time FF does it damn slow. Sometimes it takes it from 6 to 10 seconds to appear. Otherwise it runs just fine, no complaints. So I've been using Swiftweasel 3.0.3 lately and didn't notice much difference I've tried Swiftweasel 3.0.3 PGO myself and did not notice much difference comparing with FF either. If it starts a little faster the difference might be in a second or two, if any. There was one website that did not work with FF but surprisingly worked with Swiftweasel. So, FF lost on that. But for me it was not a big deal, so I prefered to keep FF as my default browser. BTW, I actually liked Swiftweasel but... It's pretty hard to favour Swiftweasel more then FF considering the developer's support depends of his OS preferences. E.g. he used to provide deb packages for Ubuntu and then stopped just because he switched from Ubuntu to Arch. So, currently and further on the only option to install the latest would be a tarball. But keeping that thing up to date would be then a permanent job. Especially considering that starting from version 3.0 Swiftweasel does not support importing FF profile. Thus in addition to manual install new/remove old one would have to take care of manual profiles moving too. Well, after a thought I decided that using it would require to much of effort. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu broken, low graphics mode, no sound
I got the normal graphics settings back by reselecting the nvidia driver through the system settings, only for it to then remove about half my installed programs!! G... This is the first time I have had a serious problem with Ubuntu, and this is really annoying. Virtual Box has disappeared, for example, along with Compiz, although I reinstalled that. When things like this can happen with an OS, I am reluctant to ever recommend it to anyone again unless this problem is prevented by being fixed asap. I just hope it does not take too long to get my system back to where it was before when it was all working okay. David King David King wrote: I have booted into Ubuntu 3 times, and each time, it only boots into low graphics mode and with no sound. The only thing different is having installed Virtual Box last night, and now I cannot get Ubuntu working properly. What can I do to fix it? David King -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu broken, low graphics mode, no sound
so was this using a fully updated Intrepid or a different version of Ubuntu? what version of virtualbox did you try to install? Alan. David King wrote: I got the normal graphics settings back by reselecting the nvidia driver through the system settings, only for it to then remove about half my installed programs!! G... This is the first time I have had a serious problem with Ubuntu, and this is really annoying. Virtual Box has disappeared, for example, along with Compiz, although I reinstalled that. When things like this can happen with an OS, I am reluctant to ever recommend it to anyone again unless this problem is prevented by being fixed asap. I just hope it does not take too long to get my system back to where it was before when it was all working okay. David King David King wrote: I have booted into Ubuntu 3 times, and each time, it only boots into low graphics mode and with no sound. The only thing different is having installed Virtual Box last night, and now I cannot get Ubuntu working properly. What can I do to fix it? David King -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu broken, low graphics mode, no sound
I am running Ubuntu 8.04 AMD 64. I managed to reinstall Virtual Box, this time version 2.1.4 from the version I downloaded from their website. I have not upgraded Ubuntu as I prefer to have something that is well-supported and stable, as well as having at least some of the latest software. Currently I cannot get VLC reinstalled, due to dependency errors. Is there a log file that I can look at that lists all that the system did when it reinstalled the nvidia drivers and deleted many other programs? David King Alan Bell wrote: so was this using a fully updated Intrepid or a different version of Ubuntu? what version of virtualbox did you try to install? Alan. David King wrote: I got the normal graphics settings back by reselecting the nvidia driver through the system settings, only for it to then remove about half my installed programs!! G... This is the first time I have had a serious problem with Ubuntu, and this is really annoying. Virtual Box has disappeared, for example, along with Compiz, although I reinstalled that. When things like this can happen with an OS, I am reluctant to ever recommend it to anyone again unless this problem is prevented by being fixed asap. I just hope it does not take too long to get my system back to where it was before when it was all working okay. David King David King wrote: I have booted into Ubuntu 3 times, and each time, it only boots into low graphics mode and with no sound. The only thing different is having installed Virtual Box last night, and now I cannot get Ubuntu working properly. What can I do to fix it? David King -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Ubuntu broken, low graphics mode, no sound
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Hi David, David King wrote: Currently I cannot get VLC reinstalled, due to dependency errors. Is there a log file that I can look at that lists all that the system did when it reinstalled the nvidia drivers and deleted many other programs? You can see an update history by starting Synaptic (System-Administration-Synaptic Package Manager) and clicking History under the File menu. Cheers, JT - -- - ---+ James Tait, BSc|xmpp:jayte...@wyrddreams.org Programmer and Free Software advocate | VoIP: +44 (0)870 490 2407 - ---+ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAknSnXgACgkQyDo4xMNTLibxBgCgnXnSofWsag0naSHLhBvBWwTx Ap4An0Xk84st8yCyFAfEye3q8HAyu6p0 =uqZ4 -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: Inaccessible logout and reset dialogs
I am not sure yet, but I suspect that it happens after restart orca. I'll try to confirm. On 31-03-2009 02:26, nolan wrote: Do we know what causes these? It appears to me to be highly random, that or it depends on factors which I'm tweaking without knowing it. It looks like /etc/sudoers as shipped includes the necessary ATK variables in the environment, though I don't know if that's relevant in this instance. I also tried with a /root/.orbitrc present, as well as one in my home directory. At one point I got it working, thinking that the key was the lack of a orbitrc in $HOME (yeah, I know, I'm reaching. :) It seems to work, or not, then keep that working/non-working state throughout the session. I tested both the shutdown and logout dialogs several times in the previous working session and they worked like a charm. In this session, though, both refuse to work repeatedly. Strange how this behavior is so non-deterministic, seems like it should either just work or just not. :) Thoughts? -- José Vilmar Estácio de Souza Informal Informatica msn: vil...@informal.com.br aim: zevilmar gmail: jvil...@gmail.com fone: +55 21-2555-2650 cel: +55 21-8868-0859 -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
here are three things I found after installing ubuntu that need looking in to
Hi, I installed the latest live CD today and discovered three things. 1, The audio sounds like it is speeding up at times when the system logs in. This has been the case for a while, but Orca works fine. 2, The adman apps are still not accessible from the user account like they are on the live CD. If Luke's fix was suppose to fix this, it isn't working yet. 3, I enabled the root account so I could use some of those apps, and found when I ran Orca from that account it isn't usable. Apparently pulse audio is only disabled for the user account created when you install the system. I haven't tried this yet, but if pulse is also enabled for any account you create this is going to be a problem for those creating accounts for other people if they need access to those accounts. Other than that, 9.04 seems to be working fine. Mike. -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Re: here are three things I found after installing ubuntu that need looking in to
Dear List! I have some ydeas, I hope helps: Mike, what happen if you put the .pulse_a11y_nostart file in the /etc/skel directory and after this you create another user account? When you create another user account, all files and directoryes copyed in the /etc/skel directory to the new user home directory. Luke, possible doing my following suggestions (I tryed and works)? 1. If the accessibility mode selected with any option with the live cd boot, please copy the entire /home/ubuntu/.gconf directory to /etc/skel directory. If you doing this method and the admin user create new user account, the new user gets an accessible profile and Orca starts automaticaly when the new user was logged in. I use this method for the BeLin release (similar distribution with Vinux) and works fine. 2. If this method is possible doing, copy the .pulse_a11y_nostart file with the /etc/skel directory. 3. If possible but not critical need, please add following commands with shortcut (now default no have shortcut key this commands): Launch terminal: Ctrl+Alt+t Open home directory: Ctrl+Shift+h Launch Webbrowser: Ctrl+Alt+w Launch e-mail client: Ctrl+Alt+m Launch Orca Screen Reader: Ctrl+Alt+O If need, I sending the need of gconf keys. I hope this modifications is not a security risk, but producing better integration result. If doing this modifications with 1 and 2 suggestions, the new created user not need doing accessibility configuring tasks with no speech: gconftool-2 -s -t bool /desktop/gnome/interface/accessibility true gconftool-2 -s -t bool /desktop/gnome/at/visual/startup true gconftool-2 -s -t bool /apps/gksu/disable-grab true creating a .pulse_a11y_nostart file. Thougs? Attila -- Ubuntu-accessibility mailing list Ubuntu-accessibility@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-accessibility
Ubuntu 7.10 End-of-Life on April 18th
Gutsy fans, get ready to pack your bags...er, data! Gutsy has had a good run with many features that made it a favourite operating system and ubuntu release. Unfortunately, as with all releases, there is a date after which a release is no longer unsupported and more importantly unsecure, because the ubuntu developers cease to provide support for it, making it possible to focus more on new releases. This date is known as End-of-Life (EoL). You can upgrade from Ubuntu 7.10 to Ubuntu 8.04 LTS using the instructions here: https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades You can also see a list of Releases along with their date of End-of-Life: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Releases Cheers, Savvas Radevic aka medigeek -- Forwarded message -- From: Steve Langasek steve.langa...@ubuntu.com Date: 2009/3/23 Subject: Ubuntu 7.10 reaches end-of-life on April 18, 2009 To: ubuntu-annou...@lists.ubuntu.com Ubuntu announced the release of 7.10 almost 18 months ago, on October 18, 2007. As with the earlier releases, Ubuntu committed to ongoing security and critical fixes for a period of 18 months. The support period is now nearing its end and Ubuntu 7.10 will reach end of life on Saturday, April 18, 2008. At that time, Ubuntu Security Notices will no longer include information or updated packages for Ubuntu 7.10. The supported upgrade path from Ubuntu 7.10 is via Ubuntu 8.04 LTS. Instructions and caveats for the upgrade may be found at https://help.ubuntu.com/community/HardyUpgrades. Note that upgrades to version 8.10 and beyond are only supported in multiple steps, via an upgrade first to 8.04 LTS, then to 8.10. Both Ubuntu 8.04 LTS and Ubuntu 8.10 continue to be actively supported with security updates and select high-impact bug fixes. All announcements of official security updates for Ubuntu releases are sent to the ubuntu-security-announce mailing list, information about which may be found at https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-security-announce. Since its launch in October 2004 Ubuntu has become one of the most highly regarded Linux distributions with millions of users in homes, schools, businesses and governments around the world. Ubuntu is Open Source software, costs nothing to download, and users are free to customise or alter their software in order to meet their needs. -- ubuntu-announce mailing list ubuntu-annou...@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-announce
Re: τεστ (ignore this)
2009/3/30 Savvas Radevic vice...@gmail.com: test τεστ τεστ 1 2 3 τεστ τεστ 1 2 3 τεστ τεστ 1 2 3 τεστ τεστ 1 2 3 τεστ Απολογούμαι, δοκιμάζω κάτι για να φτιάξω το πρόβλημα με τα ελληνικά. Πιστεύω πως έχω βρεί τη λύση για το Digest mode. Έχω σβήσει το msg_header / msg_footer από τα μηνύματα και μάλλον είναι όλα μια χαρά τώρα. Θα το δοκιμάσω κι αν έχουμε πάλι πρόβλημα, θα το επαναφέρω.
Re: 3Gb ram being reported as 1.9Gb
On Mon, 2009-03-30 at 23:33 +0100, (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo wrote: Olá Nishith e a todos. On Monday 30 March 2009 15:44:10 Nishith Nand wrote: Should also note that some boards are incapable of using DIMMs bigger then some size, or chipset limits to the amount of address memory. In your case maybe you are being hit by the board limit or a faulty DIMM. Run memtest to be sure. I have an ASUS A8N VM mobo, it supports 4GBs of RAM. Its detected correctly by windows. memtest shows me 3071MB RAM. I guess you found a bug... http://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+filebug (or better yet: $ apport-cli -fp linux) Not necessarily; I'd still like to hear whether the amd64 version works fine. If it does, it's most likely the BIOS memory layout that's the issue. A PAE-enabled kernel would probably work - Nishith: have you tried installing a -server variant of the kernel and seeing whether that can utilise all of your memory? Scott -- Scott James Remnant sc...@canonical.com signature.asc Description: This is a digitally signed message part -- ubuntu-desktop mailing list ubuntu-desktop@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-desktop
Desktop Team 20090331 meeting minutes
Here are the minutes from the desktop team meeting. You can also find them here: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/DesktopTeam/Meeting/2009-03-24 == Present == * Rick Spencer (rickspencer3) - chair * Alexander Sack (asac) * Arne Goetje (ArneGoetje) * Bryce Harrington (bryce) * Chris Cheney (calc) * Jonathan Riddell (Riddell) * Ken VanDine (kenvandine) * Martin Pitt (pitti) * Sebastien Bacher (seb128) * Till Kamppeter (tkamppeter) * Pedro Villavicencio (pedro) == Apologies == * robert_ancell == Agenda == Compressing meeting to focus * Hug/Bug Day (pedro) * LF summit * Release Bugs/Release Status * Review activity reports * Any other business === Moved to wiki/email === * Desktop Summit * Karmic sprint dates * Meeting time == Outstanding actions from last meeting == * None == Actions from this meeting == * ACTION: All - If you've got a blog, blog about X Hug day * ACTION: All - Contact pitti if there are people at Linux Foundations that you want him to meet on your behalf == Desktop Summit == * http://www.grancanariadesktopsummit.org/ * If you want to attend, you must submit talk(s), deadline April 10 * For those who submit talks, but don't get accepted, you may still be able to go == Hug/Bug Day (pedro) == * X related Hug day is planned for April 2nd - http://blog.qa.ubuntu.com/node/45 * Please join for an hour or two if possible, See https://wiki.ubuntu.com/X/Triaging * It would help out if folks could blog about it, especially if they have blogs on planet.ubuntu == LF Summit == * Till Kamppeter (tkamppeter): Leading the [[https://www.linuxfoundation.org/en/OpenPrinting/OpenPrinting_Summit_San_Francisco_2009|OpenPrinting Summit]] Wed-Fri April 8-10 * Martin Pitt (pitti): Leading the [[http://events.linuxfoundation.org/backport|Driver Backport Meeting]], Fri April 10 * Let pitti know if there is anyone there you want him to talk to * Pitti will be reachable by email, make sure you catch him this week for high priority items == Release Bugs/Release Status == === Jaunty Targeted Bugs === || '''Id''' || '''Title''' || '''Assigned To''' || '''Status''' || '''Importance''' || '''Package''' || '''Release''' || '''Milestone''' || '''Team''' || '''Date Confirmed''' || || 348428 || Swithing to another user and then to anything else, freezes laptop. Jaunty || bryceharrington || Confirmed || High || xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu Jaunty) || jaunty || || canonical-desktop-team || 2009-03-26 23:47:22.559454+00:00 || || 352307 || update-notifier message about recording mount passphrase || pitti || Triaged || High || ecryptfs-utils (Ubuntu Jaunty) || jaunty || || canonical-desktop-team || 2009-03-31 11:17:55.932138+00:00 || || 304871 || [i845G] Fatal server error: Couldn't bind memory for BO front buffer (Jaunty) || bryceharrington || In Progress || High || xserver-xorg-video-intel (Ubuntu Jaunty) || jaunty || || canonical-desktop-team || 2009-02-04 16:05:50.270746+00:00 || || 264336 || pgsql fails to start due to shared buffer setting greater than kernel allows || pitti || Triaged || High || postgresql-common (Ubuntu Jaunty) || jaunty || || canonical-desktop-team || 2009-02-16 09:39:46.237983+00:00 || || 337926 || vino: mouse cursor stays in upper left corner || bryceharrington || New || Medium || xfree86-driver-synaptics (Ubuntu Jaunty) || jaunty || || canonical-desktop-team || None || || 145716 || panel launchers break on upgrade || asac || Triaged || Medium || thunderbird (Ubuntu Jaunty) || jaunty || || canonical-desktop-team || 2008-12-31 18:38:57.742883+00:00 || || 271283 || [ooo-build] OpenOffice.org subpixel font rendering broken with new cairo || asac || Triaged || Medium || openoffice.org (Ubuntu Jaunty) || jaunty || ubuntu-9.04 || canonical-desktop-team || 2009-02-04 06:35:37.188598+00:00 || || 348225 || Remove inline translations from .desktop files || pitti || Fix Committed || Medium || synaptic (Ubuntu Jaunty) || jaunty || || canonical-desktop-team || 2009-03-25 10:29:01.770611+00:00 || === Milestoned but not targeted bugs, importance=High === || '''Id''' || '''Title''' || '''Assigned To''' || '''Status''' || '''Importance''' || '''Package''' || '''Release''' || '''Milestone''' || '''Team''' || '''Date Confirmed''' || || 270303 || MASTER - firefox (intrepid): your browser has been updated and needs to be restarted || asac || In Progress || High || ubufox (Ubuntu) || || ubuntu-9.04 || canonical-desktop-team || 2008-10-23 09:11:26.751443+00:00 || || 89005 || [debian] [1:3.0.1-8] oosmoketest fails to run || ccheney || Triaged || High || openoffice.org (Ubuntu) || || ubuntu-9.04 || canonical-desktop-team || 2007-06-16 00:29:15.066585+00:00 || || 150579 || OpenOffice covers the whole screen and has no borders or titlebar when using compiz || ccheney || Triaged || High || openoffice.org (Ubuntu) || || ubuntu-9.04 || canonical-desktop-team || 2009-03-25 02:14:12.693118+00:00 || || 319824 || [ooo-build] DATA LOSS: openoffice oobase reports SIGSEGV in openjdk-6 when
Re: Simply Backup help
On Tue, 2009-03-31 at 15:13 +1030, Callan Davies wrote: I have loaded the system monitor as you have suggested and now have the the little window on my panel. Couldn't find Load and Disk but I'll work that out. You comments are pertinent and encouraging. Thanks again. Hi Dave, Right-Click on the system monitor panel applet and choose PREFERENCES from the popup menu. Set the update interval to 500ms, and make sure you put ticks in CPU, LOAD, DISK, and perhaps NETWORK. Cheers :) CD Got it. Thanks Callan. -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
live vs alt install cd
Hi Guys Just wondering if there's a simple way to tell what systems might need the alternate cd to install as opposed to the live cd. I'm trying to install on a friends (hardy) which has a celeron and both hdd and optical drives are sata. The install cd is fine though it keeps throwing up errors on that system when installing. It boots fine to the desktop. I know the cd is fine cuz it was used to install on another of my systems later with complete success and no errors. I just downloaded the alternate cd and so will try that next on her system. Also are there other things I should look out for that may lend clues as to which cd may be needed. I know of the AMD processors for example Thx James -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Telstra Next-G Wireless Broadband
What kind of modem is it? If it's a USB modem it should be pretty much plug and play. At least it is with my 3 mobile broadband; plug it in, answer a few questions about the account, and you're online. On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 15:08 +1030, LinuxDan wrote: Hi all, Have been receiving the mail on this list for a while now but have yet to send one out...so first off, thanks for all of the indirect help you've given me through this list. I'm writing to ask for some instructions on how I can set up Telstra's Next G Wireless Broadband with Ubuntu 8.10. I've recently put a workmate onto Ubuntu and he went out and bought one of these packs and I've got no idea how to get it running. Any help you could give would be greatly appreciated Regards, Dan -- WebLinux - Linux live on the web! http://www.weblinux-live.org -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
RE: Telstra Next-G Wireless Broadband
Is it Telstra Bigpond, Telstra mobile broadbanðor telstra prepaid wireless broadband and what type of modem is it try to get th make and model not just the telstra marketing it should be written on the device. Regards, Barry -Original Message- From: LinuxDan linux...@adam.com.au Sent: Wednesday, 1 April 2009 14 : 08 To: ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Telstra Next-G Wireless Broadband Hi all, Have been receiving the mail on this list for a while now but have yet to send one out...so first off, thanks for all of the indirect help you've given me through this list. I'm writing to ask for some instructions on how I can set up Telstra's Next G Wireless Broadbandwith Ubuntu 8.10. I've recently put a workmate onto Ubuntu and he went out and bought one of these packs and I've got no idea how to get it running. Any help you could give would be greatly appreciated Regards, Dan-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Telstra Next-G Wireless Broadband
On Wed, 2009-04-01 at 15:08 +1030, LinuxDan wrote: I'm writing to ask for some instructions on how I can set up Telstra's Next G Wireless Broadband with Ubuntu 8.10. I've recently put a workmate onto Ubuntu and he went out and bought one of these packs and I've got no idea how to get it running. Hello What pack did your friend purchase. Express card, usb or modem? My experience with modem was to connect it up, enter WPA as requested and use it. Regularly achieving 2600/700kbps after getting roof mounted external aerial. -- Regards G# -- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
re: Telstra NextG Mobile Broadband
I'm not sure about the specifics, but it's a usb wireless modem (little white number ;) ) and according to the spiel on the back, its Model: MF626 PP Wireless Modem...judging by another card in the pack, its made by a company called ZTE. Hope this helps cheers attachment: stock_smiley-3.png-- ubuntu-au mailing list ubuntu-au@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-au
Re: Duplicate template for evolution-exchange in jaunty
El mar, 31-03-2009 a las 02:13 +0300, Adi Roiban escribió: În data de Lu, 30-03-2009 la 23:52 +0300, Thanos Lefteris a scris: I have noticed that for evolution-exchange there are 2, very similar templates available for translation in jaunty: https://translations.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/jaunty/+source/evolution-exchange/ It would be great if this would be resolved, so that we know which one to translate :) Thanks Yes. We should only have the domain evolution-exchange-2.26. However, according to https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/349909 , we should translate evolution-data-server instead of evolution-data-server-2.26 (which does not exist). Is it right? Ricardo. -- ubuntu-translators mailing list ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
Tascam US-122
Is there someone who can help me get my Tascam US-122 to work with Ubuntu Studio Is there some one that could write something that would make the Tascam US-122 run when you plug it in? Would it be a lot of work? I will keep trying to get it to work I do not want to have to buy another sound card. Ed -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Re: Tascam US-122
On Mon, Mar 30, 2009 at 11:04 PM, Edward Tyrie edty...@gmail.com wrote: Is there someone who can help me get my Tascam US-122 to work with Ubuntu Studio Is there some one that could write something that would make the Tascam US-122 run when you plug it in? Would it be a lot of work? I will keep trying to get it to work I do not want to have to buy another sound card. Ed -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users This was the howto I followed way back when (I think): http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=431066 but the Tascam US-122 is NOT a supported card. This is an unoffiical hack to get things running, and when they did run for me I had many issues of noisy buzzing after stopping audio (paused or stopped). Because that method runs windows binary drivers, it's almost impossible to troubleshoot an issue like buzzing. My advice would be to purchase a new soundcard, but those instructions should help you test this one out first. You may also want to phone Tascam help and ask them how to get the card working in Ubuntu - if/when they say you can't, then explain you're going to return the card and purchase a soundcard from a company that supports Linux ;) -Eric -- ___ http://greyrockstudio.blogspot.com -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
audacity freezes
I can load a (20 min mp3) file into Audacity and preview a filter-effect, but then the app freezes. Any suggestions much appreciated! /:b -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Ubuntu Studio w/ dual monitors
Hi, I have a laptop with UBStudio 8.04. The graphics hardware is nvidia. I am not using the nvidia proprietary drivers I added an external monitor to the VGA port (it also has an HDMI port). I added the virtual screen size in xorg.conf so I can spread the desktop across the laptop screen and the monitor. I am still testing, but it appears that with both screens active I get more xruns and qjackctl/jackd hangs than with only one screen. This happens while recording ffado - jack - ardour. Is this likely? Any ideas on what might be going on? Mac mail2web.com - Microsoft® Exchange solutions from a leading provider - http://link.mail2web.com/Business/Exchange -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
Echo Audiofire 4 and Ubuntu Studio Jaunty Beta
[I posted this same to the ffado-users list...] Echo Audiofire 4 and Ubuntu Studio Jaunty Beta http://subversion.ffado.org/wiki/StepByStepUbuntuStudio8.10RT Well, I have to ask one mo' time, because this is what I get... Is there something that I should know or do? r...@ubuntu-studio:~# /usr/bin/jackd -R -P70 -dfirewire -r44100 -p256 -n3 no message buffer overruns jackd 0.116.1 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. 01681312449: (ffado.cpp)[ 92] ffado_streaming_init: libffado 1.999.40- built Feb 24 2009 00:53:39 firewire ERR: Error creating FFADO streaming device cannot load driver module firewire no message buffer overruns r...@ubuntu-studio:~# 1. I have upgraded firmware to 4.8 2. I have /dev/raw1394 r...@ubuntu-studio:~# ls -al /dev/raw1394 crwxrwxrwx 1 root root 171, 0 2009-03-31 14:53 /dev/raw1394 r...@ubuntu-studio:~# 3. I have modules r...@ubuntu-studio:~# lsmod | grep 1394 raw139433116 0 ohci1394 38832 0 ieee1394 95932 2 raw1394,ohci1394 r...@ubuntu-studio:~# 4. My fw is not Ricoh. r...@ubuntu-studio:~# lspci | grep FireWire 0a:04.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): O2 Micro, Inc. Firewire (IEEE 1394) (rev 02) 0a:07.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB43AB23 IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link) r...@ubuntu-studio:~# 5. FFado sees Echo r...@ubuntu-studio:~# ffado-test ListDevices --- FFADO test and diagnostic utility Part of the FFADO project -- www.ffado.org Version: 1.999.40- (C) 2008, Daniel Wagner, Pieter Palmers This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. --- === 1394 PORT 0 === Node id GUID VendorId ModelId Vendor - Model 0 0x00a0d1a0d1a38156 0xA0D1 0x Linux - ohci1394 - === 1394 PORT 1 === Node id GUID VendorId ModelId Vendor - Model 0 0x00a0d1a0d1a38155 0xA0D1 0x Linux - ohci1394 - 1 0x0014860968bc006a 0x1486 0x0AF4 Echo Digital Audio - AudioFire4 no message buffer overruns r...@ubuntu-studio:~# 6. Log file is here: http://www.arkki.info/howto/Ubuntu_Studio/Jaunty/ffado-jack.log r...@ubuntu-studio:~# jackd --verbose -d firewire -v6 2 ffado-jack.log getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_oss.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_net.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_dummy.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_firewire.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_alsa.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_freebob.so jackd 0.116.1 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. registered builtin port type 32 bit float mono audio registered builtin port type 8 bit raw midi clock source = system clock via clock_gettime start poll on 3 fd's loading driver .. new client: firewire_pcm, id = 1 type 1 @ 0x9966b00 fd = -1 new buffer size 1024 starting server engine shutdown server thread back from poll freeing shared port segments stopping server thread last xrun delay: 0.000 usecs max delay reported by backend: 0.000 usecs freeing engine shared memory max usecs: 0.000, engine deleted r...@ubuntu-studio:~# 7. This is a linux-rt r...@ubuntu-studio:~# uname -a Linux ubuntu-studio 2.6.28-3-rt #9-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT RT Fri Mar 27 23:23:50 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux r...@ubuntu-studio:~# Best regards Asmo Koskinen. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
RE: Echo Audiofire 4 and Ubuntu Studio Jaunty Beta
Asmo, I have seen similar issues with my Audiofire12's when trying to start after there has been a timeout crash or I've been doing other things before attempting to start jack. I'm not sure who actually has thier nicker in a twist when this happens, ffado, 1394 subsystem, or the Audiofires. I have found that powering off the Audiofire's and doing a ffado-test BusReset seems to get the firewire out of it's malaze. I've seen this behavior on both 8.04 and 8.10. Mac Original Message: - From: Asmo Koskinen asmo.koski...@arkki.info Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2009 15:53:56 +0300 To: ubuntu-studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Echo Audiofire 4 and Ubuntu Studio Jaunty Beta [I posted this same to the ffado-users list...] Echo Audiofire 4 and Ubuntu Studio Jaunty Beta http://subversion.ffado.org/wiki/StepByStepUbuntuStudio8.10RT Well, I have to ask one mo' time, because this is what I get... Is there something that I should know or do? r...@ubuntu-studio:~# /usr/bin/jackd -R -P70 -dfirewire -r44100 -p256 -n3 no message buffer overruns jackd 0.116.1 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. loading driver .. 01681312449: (ffado.cpp)[ 92] ffado_streaming_init: libffado 1.999.40- built Feb 24 2009 00:53:39 firewire ERR: Error creating FFADO streaming device cannot load driver module firewire no message buffer overruns r...@ubuntu-studio:~# 1. I have upgraded firmware to 4.8 2. I have /dev/raw1394 r...@ubuntu-studio:~# ls -al /dev/raw1394 crwxrwxrwx 1 root root 171, 0 2009-03-31 14:53 /dev/raw1394 r...@ubuntu-studio:~# 3. I have modules r...@ubuntu-studio:~# lsmod | grep 1394 raw139433116 0 ohci1394 38832 0 ieee1394 95932 2 raw1394,ohci1394 r...@ubuntu-studio:~# 4. My fw is not Ricoh. r...@ubuntu-studio:~# lspci | grep FireWire 0a:04.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): O2 Micro, Inc. Firewire (IEEE 1394) (rev 02) 0a:07.0 FireWire (IEEE 1394): Texas Instruments TSB43AB23 IEEE-1394a-2000 Controller (PHY/Link) r...@ubuntu-studio:~# 5. FFado sees Echo r...@ubuntu-studio:~# ffado-test ListDevices --- FFADO test and diagnostic utility Part of the FFADO project -- www.ffado.org Version: 1.999.40- (C) 2008, Daniel Wagner, Pieter Palmers This program comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY. --- === 1394 PORT 0 === Node id GUID VendorId ModelId Vendor - Model 0 0x00a0d1a0d1a38156 0xA0D1 0x Linux - ohci1394 - === 1394 PORT 1 === Node id GUID VendorId ModelId Vendor - Model 0 0x00a0d1a0d1a38155 0xA0D1 0x Linux - ohci1394 - 1 0x0014860968bc006a 0x1486 0x0AF4 Echo Digital Audio - AudioFire4 no message buffer overruns r...@ubuntu-studio:~# 6. Log file is here: http://www.arkki.info/howto/Ubuntu_Studio/Jaunty/ffado-jack.log r...@ubuntu-studio:~# jackd --verbose -d firewire -v6 2 ffado-jack.log getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_oss.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_net.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_dummy.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_firewire.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_alsa.so getting driver descriptor from /usr/lib/jack/jack_freebob.so jackd 0.116.1 Copyright 2001-2005 Paul Davis and others. jackd comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY This is free software, and you are welcome to redistribute it under certain conditions; see the file COPYING for details JACK compiled with System V SHM support. registered builtin port type 32 bit float mono audio registered builtin port type 8 bit raw midi clock source = system clock via clock_gettime start poll on 3 fd's loading driver .. new client: firewire_pcm, id = 1 type 1 @ 0x9966b00 fd = -1 new buffer size 1024 starting server engine shutdown server thread back from poll freeing shared port segments stopping server thread last xrun delay: 0.000 usecs max delay reported by backend: 0.000 usecs freeing engine shared memory max usecs: 0.000, engine deleted r...@ubuntu-studio:~# 7. This is a linux-rt r...@ubuntu-studio:~# uname -a Linux ubuntu-studio 2.6.28-3-rt #9-Ubuntu SMP PREEMPT RT Fri Mar 27 23:23:50 UTC 2009 i686 GNU/Linux r...@ubuntu-studio:~# Best regards Asmo Koskinen. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users mail2web - Check your email from the web at http://link.mail2web.com/mail2web -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or
Re: Echo Audiofire 4 and Ubuntu Studio Jaunty Beta
sue...@empire.net kirjoitti: I have found that powering off the Audiofire's and doing a ffado-test BusReset seems to get the firewire out of it's malaze. I've seen this behavior on both 8.04 and 8.10. I have another 8.04 box with Delta 66, I'll see later tonight what happen. This Jaunty Beta is Intel/Ati laptop. Thank you for quick response. Best Regards Asmo Koskinen. -- Ubuntu-Studio-users mailing list Ubuntu-Studio-users@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-studio-users
