Re: [ubuntu-art] Hiatus of Development
On Mon, Sep 22, 2008 at 4:30 PM, SzerencseFia [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Ken Vermette wrote: Hello everyone; I'm emailing more/less because of a fundamental change in my schedule. For those that don't know, I'm in an extremely compressed electronics course thats the equivalent of learning 2 years of college in less than 6 months. Obviously, to develop artwork to the best of anyones ability - time is a significant investment, and it's no longer an investment I have to offer. This is somewhat obvious when you look at my sparse updates on my own projects. Until I have a less hectic schedule, I'll be unsubscribing the mailing list and discontinuing work. I personally apologize to those whom I've said I would assist, especially with Breathe, but I cannot jeopardize my career to continue. If anyone has time, and would like to take over Didymous, I would be much obliged. Good luck with all your projects, as always, outstanding stuff everyone! Thank you; -Ken Vermette Ken, I am sorry to hear that. Shall you be available via this email address? -- Cheers, Erno [szerencsefia] --- Home: http://www.szerencsefia.webs.com/ WhoIs: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/SzerencseFia -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art You can reach me directly at [EMAIL PROTECTED] I'll do my best to get back to any emails, no guarantees on how long it might take though if it's anything involved. I do understand I'm leaving a few loose ends. -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Hiatus of Development
Hello everyone; I'm emailing more/less because of a fundamental change in my schedule. For those that don't know, I'm in an extremely compressed electronics course thats the equivalent of learning 2 years of college in less than 6 months. Obviously, to develop artwork to the best of anyones ability - time is a significant investment, and it's no longer an investment I have to offer. This is somewhat obvious when you look at my sparse updates on my own projects. Until I have a less hectic schedule, I'll be unsubscribing the mailing list and discontinuing work. I personally apologize to those whom I've said I would assist, especially with Breathe, but I cannot jeopardize my career to continue. If anyone has time, and would like to take over Didymous, I would be much obliged. Good luck with all your projects, as always, outstanding stuff everyone! Thank you; -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] GTK theme help
On Thu, Sep 18, 2008 at 2:21 PM, Rico Sta. Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Re: borderless borders: They're staying at 1px for the reasons everyone's already pointed out. :) If you want to change them, just edit metacity-theme-1.xml and look at line 19. Btw, I'm working on a Dust Firefox theme. Any thoughts? http://img133.imageshack.us/img133/8383/dust0919firefoxzo8.png Nicholas Kraak wrote: Looks almost better than the original mockup! Although the scroll bars are a bit blocky or squared or maybe big, but don't fit (for me) the overall appearance of the theme. Another point is the borderless version of the theme included in the tar.gz . The border is 1 px wide while the older version of Dust has no border at all( real borderless) Pic: http://dl.getdropbox.com/u/177221/Pantallazo-1.png -- Jos? Luis Ric?n [EMAIL PROTECTED] IMO, no-pixel boarders are horrible because they are such a pain to resize and almost kill the usability of the theme. One pixel boarders (at least) are great. Nicholas -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/GTK-theme-help-tp19524364p19558658.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Any chance I could get the theme files off you? Firefox has been less-than-co-operative trying to get what you have there. -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] What do we want to do for Jaunty?
On Wed, Sep 17, 2008 at 6:42 AM, Giuseppe Pennisi [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2008/9/17 Who [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Tue, Sep 16, 2008 at 1:29 PM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Now that we've decided that we aren't out to change the default art, what do we want to do for the next cycle? :) I had the idea to create a package where we couple through a couple of walls, themes and GDM called community-artwork. Sound fine for all? How many theme items do we put in it to start? 2 walls, 2 themes, 2 GDMs? I'm looking for numbers to shoot for but obviously things can change. I agree, three themes, but there's no reason to stop at 3 if we get four great ones made. Also, I'd like to think about a way of being able to switch between them easily - that will change GDM, BG, Usplash, and some other App splashes, if we get that far. A good theme has so many components it is crazy to expect the user to 'turn them all on' but we shouldn't expect them to have to reinstall a theme to change the theme, unless we write a little UI that does that for them. I propose a theme consitst of: Usplash theme GDM theme Desktop BG Icon theme (NOT expecting these to be designed form scratch, just use a good HQ one that fits best if you want... edit key icons, perhaps) GTK Theme Opional but good: Matching theme for QT apps. Some nod to Wine integration by using linux colours or a WinXP theme that is close to yours Firefox Theme IF FF doesn't inherit your theme well (userstyles.css, if I remember correctly) Evolution theme (if evolution doesn't pick up the GTK icons yet...didn't used to) Splash screens for Gimp, OpenOffice, other major apps with splashes. Perhaps: Sounds More than one BG I agree with you. However I think that 3 themes are a good solution. gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Just throwing this in, but if we have 3 themes, why don't we try taking an aim for them? One theme geared for office/average users (more generic), one for power users/technophiles (more bling), and one for developers/artists (darker, like our take on studio) -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] What is the art team?
On Thu, Sep 11, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Michael Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/9/12 Vadim Peretokin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please do not straw man me, I subscribe to other mailing lists, non of them ubuntu and non are censored. I am not advocating that the mailing list should change, just that team should not be synonymous with the mailing list. Well, then, I resign from this conversation, because I see absolutely zero point or helpfulness in doing that. Nor how are you going to accomplish that - kick out all non-artists or something? Heh. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art It is an art mailing list, what is important is the outcome. Someone could conceivably create an svg icon in gedit, does that make them less of an artist than someone who made it in inkscape? No, your argument is another straw man. The helpfulness is that in every other project the mailing list doesn't constitute a team, and I don't see any reason that the art team should be any different, it is a meritocracy after all. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art The focus of this list is getting off-rails and argumentative; Michael, I agree with some of the points you're making, as well as points Vadim made. Nobody is really wrong, just in the extremes. Nobody likes to look like an idiot, but I'll proceed to look like an idiot, to push ahead a point: When I first started on this list, I joined with the goal of making the default theme. And now that I know more of how everything is Managed, I know now that I'm not going to do it. But I still try to anyway. Do I look like an idiot yet? The goal of the Artwork Team is to produce artwork for the community side of Ubuntu. Mostly, this means the look of the actual distro itself, not promotional or marketing materials. We hope to produce artwork stunning enough that upon first glance, people want to know what Ubuntu is and where to get it. (team wiki) People on this mailing list tend to have a burn-out when they realize that the above quote is a very political quote. This mailing list isn't getting backstage with Ubuntu, but it's still official. More or less this mailing list is a community art portal. Canonical is neither obligated nor guaranteed to pull work from the community, but it can if it should decide so. They can hire a third party to make the default theme if that's the desire. This is why I continue to act like an idiot. There might not be a default theme from the list at the end of the day; But it is well worth participating and influencing the direction. The default wallpaper came from this list and the wiki, Breathe icons started here, and countless other details. Consider the huge accomplishment knowing hundreds of thousands, even millions of people might boot up to even just a 32x32 icon you made; and that will let you sleep very well knowing that many people are using something that much better. -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Theme Updates
The usual updates have been made to the Kin Dust themeset; Including a Metacity theme (pretty much a Dust recolour at this point). I've also changed the name of the theme to Didymous, people are confusing too many themes so it's necessary. https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kin%20Dust#Downloads -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Theme Updates
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Andrea Cimitan [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2008/9/10 Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The usual updates have been made to the Kin Dust themeset; Including a Metacity theme (pretty much a Dust recolour at this point). I've also changed the name of the theme to Didymous, people are confusing too many themes so it's necessary. https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kin%20Dust#Downloads -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art You can du much better if you start customizing murrine's gradients -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art I'm having trouble getting Configurator to work, even to make a generic and re-tool it. For some reason, no themes will show up when I run it... -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Theme Updates
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Andrea Cimitan [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: 2008/9/10 Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Andrea Cimitan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/9/10 Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The usual updates have been made to the Kin Dust themeset; Including a Metacity theme (pretty much a Dust recolour at this point). I've also changed the name of the theme to Didymous, people are confusing too many themes so it's necessary. https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kin%20Dust#Downloads -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art You can du much better if you start customizing murrine's gradients -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art I'm having trouble getting Configurator to work, even to make a generic and re-tool it. For some reason, no themes will show up when I run it... -- You should edit themes by hand, the configurator does not support the newer Murrine SVN snapshots. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art I'm constantly tooling the GTK, but I still stumble around it like a drunken idiot. I'll hunt for what I can do with it. -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Theme Updates
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Andrea Cimitan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/9/10 Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Andrea Cimitan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/9/10 Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The usual updates have been made to the Kin Dust themeset; Including a Metacity theme (pretty much a Dust recolour at this point). I've also changed the name of the theme to Didymous, people are confusing too many themes so it's necessary. https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kin%20Dust#Downloads -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art You can du much better if you start customizing murrine's gradients -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art I'm having trouble getting Configurator to work, even to make a generic and re-tool it. For some reason, no themes will show up when I run it... -- You should edit themes by hand, the configurator does not support the newer Murrine SVN snapshots. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art I'm constantly tooling the GTK, but I still stumble around it like a drunken idiot. I'll hunt for what I can do with it. -- -Ken Vermette I managed to tool around in the GTK enough to do Murrine justice, it should be better now. -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Theme Updates
On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 11:28 PM, Jonathan Motes [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 7:31 PM, Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 12:00 PM, Andrea Cimitan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/9/10 Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Sep 10, 2008 at 8:02 AM, Andrea Cimitan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/9/10 Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: The usual updates have been made to the Kin Dust themeset; Including a Metacity theme (pretty much a Dust recolour at this point). I've also changed the name of the theme to Didymous, people are confusing too many themes so it's necessary. https://wiki.kubuntu.org/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kin%20Dust#Downloads -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art You can du much better if you start customizing murrine's gradients -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art I'm having trouble getting Configurator to work, even to make a generic and re-tool it. For some reason, no themes will show up when I run it... -- You should edit themes by hand, the configurator does not support the newer Murrine SVN snapshots. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art I'm constantly tooling the GTK, but I still stumble around it like a drunken idiot. I'll hunt for what I can do with it. -- -Ken Vermette I managed to tool around in the GTK enough to do Murrine justice, it should be better now. -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art The Shiki-Colorshttp://www.gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Shiki-Colors?content=86717theme on gnome-look has managed to make the Firefox menu-titles text a lighter color while having a dark menu-bar (I'm sorry if I'm not calling these by their proper names). This works without having to utilize a Firefox CSS file. Do you think this is possible with your theme? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art After bouncing some messages back and fourth, it doesn't seem like he's done any specific fixes; I think it may just be the engines themselves by the look of it. Either way, I'm working on a full firefox theme, so the individual CSS file should be near irrelavent when the firefox theme is ready. -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] meeting
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 5:35 PM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kenneth Wimer wrote: Breathe Icons: Cory's call to pens, so to speak, has born fruit. More to come from him personally. I'd like to discuss: * perspective * palette (or lack there of) * lighting * submission process * What Mark would *like* to see. * Where info will be. (answer is here but is very early: https://launchpad.net/breathe-icon-set https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/BreatheIconSet) I have general ideas about most of above but it needs chat. I'm sure much more will come up. I will officially announce the project once more of the technical and aesthetic details are worked out. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art If possible, Friday at 19 UTC would be ideal, I'd be just in time for the meeting. If not, no biggie, I'd just like to be there. -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] We *will* create a new icon set for Ubuntu. (naming closed)
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 10:24 PM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: tonic wrote: I guess Breathe is the codename for development ;). The name can always change for release. I must admit my flatmate immediately started making jokes about Ubuntu breath when he saw the name of the neat new icons. Oh well. We can make a mockery of anything. ;) Name stays until an overwhelmingly better choice comes along. I've had the question open for a good couple of days and got no *real* consensus. One can't stagnate on little things like a name for an icon set. The icons are what matter. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art I'll -breathe- a sign of relief when the name is figured out! ... That was terrible, I should apologize for that... Anywho, the name really isn't important as actual progress. The icon set could be named Human 2 or Orange-White Supericons + PRO (Ultimate Bluescreen Edition); But hey, when the icon set is near completion, they might inspire a name of their own. -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] We *will* create a new icon set for Ubuntu. (naming closed)
On Thu, Sep 4, 2008 at 11:00 PM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Human 2 How generically Hollywood. :P -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art I personally prefer Orange-White Supericons + PRO (Ultimate Bluescreen Edition). aka O.W.Si.P (UBE) -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 5:55 AM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 02 September 2008 03:21:27 Ken Vermette wrote: http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example_mk2.png Wow, that is really impressive! One thing to note is that the system uses both open and closed folders. How would it look if it is closed? -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art O.o; That's actually a very good question. I'll post a closed folder when I get a few minutes to make one later on today. -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 7:40 AM, Giuseppe Pennisi [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Il giorno lun, 01/09/2008 alle 21.21 -0400, Ken Vermette ha scritto: As per a smaller version, a re-make in the older flat style might be more visually appropriate. Anywho, mark 2. I also threw in some gloss versions in there. I have no idea if the thumbnails in the icon are feasable at this point, but nonetheless they are there. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example_mk2.png -- -Ken Vermette Wow, very nice. Good Look. gp -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Thank you! I liked Antons folder icons, so I've tooled my own to look more like his, attached is yet another revision of the folders, with more minute detailing. Also, this one has closed folders... http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example_mk3.png -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 12:29 PM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Tuesday 02 September 2008 18:18:41 Ken Vermette wrote: I liked Antons folder icons, so I've tooled my own to look more like his, attached is yet another revision of the folders, with more minute detailing. Also, this one has closed folders... http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example_mk3.png Could you add a smaller version (something like 22x22)? It goes a long way to understanding the lines and dithering problems which can occur. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art 22x22 us up! I had to post on Deviantart, I don't want to compress these images. http://raraken.deviantart.com/art/Ubuntu-Folder-Concept-mk5-96838710 added examples of... - 22x22 - dark outlines - emblems and fixed a positioning problem that caused fuzzy borders. -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] We *will* create a new icon set for Ubuntu. (naming)
On Tue, Sep 2, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Cory K. wrote: Thorsten Wilms wrote: On Tue, 2008-09-02 at 10:26 -0400, Cory K. wrote So. Name, thoughts? Breath or Breeze would be ok. Inhale makes me think of certain substances, but maybe that's ok, too :) So we have: * Breath * Breeze * Ozone (via kwwii on IRC) Sorry to be stuck on my tagline. It just so rocks. :) And gives a nice nod to the KDE folks. Because humans need oxygen. So far Breath is the one that best fits. Mind you, I don't think it needs to be an English word. umoya is apparently Zulu for air. http://isizulu.net Might work (thorwil's idea) I'll let this go 'till Thursday if nothing decisive happens tomorrow. I need to start the wikipages. -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Busica; Show and display, show and display our icons. Were not Oxygen, we are not Tango, we are proud to display, not mimic. -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kin Dust
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 7:15 AM, Anton Kerezov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: В 15:43 -0400 на 29.08.2008 (пт), Ken Vermette написа: I forgot to ask, but is there anybody with GTK theme experience available to help me stamp some bugs out of the GTK/streamline it a little? I know there are several (more/less) simple fixes, I just have no experience in GTK (and the fact that this even has a working GTK theme at all still shocks me) Main issues right now are almost all related to dark panels, and customizing some panel applets. I'm posting the entire contents of what I have on Wikipedia tonight (with bug warnings on the GTK) aswell a things I need done. Since final submission deadline is coming up (and burning my heels), time is a bit too tight. Obi-wan-anybodyatallplease; you're my only hope! Any help at all would be -really- appreacted, like, endlessly. -Ken Vermette I can help you but I'm not such a big guru. What do you have problems with? Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Right now I'm fighting with panels. There are two problems with them; - The buttons on the panels are beige, instead of blending in with the panels. - The Applications-Places-System use the wrong background, they should look like the rest of the panel. Everything can be downloaded at the WIki now. The GTK itself is a bit of a piece-together, so I apologize for how messy it is. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kin%20Dust Thanks for any help! -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kin Dust
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Anton Kerezov [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: В 09:44 -0400 на 01.09.2008 (пн), Ken Vermette написа: Right now I'm fighting with panels. There are two problems with them; - The buttons on the panels are beige, instead of blending in with the panels. - The Applications-Places-System use the wrong background, they should look like the rest of the panel. Everything can be downloaded at the WIki now. The GTK itself is a bit of a piece-together, so I apologize for how messy it is. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kin%20Dust Thanks for any help! About the second one - I'm having problems with this too and right now it is impossible to solve it. About the buttons : see the attachment. I just used the old code from New Wave when it was based on clearlooks. Anton -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art The different background on the applications/places/system doesn't look bad, it just wasn't the original intent. Great job on the panel buttons though! Looks much slicker! I'm toiling away on the Metacity theme (I'm winging half of this stuff, so I'm a bit slower than I should be). Anywho, if you want to run rampant and go though the GTK, there's some other known bugs posted on the Wiki - you seem to know more of what you're doing, and it would be much appreciated since I have about 4 things on the go. ;) Great stuff! Thank you! -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Dust theme implementation
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 11:22 AM, Rico Sta. Cruz [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Is there any way we can get some GTK love on this theme? I'm currently lost at figuring out how to make the menubar have a gradient. The latest versions are always at: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme -Rico S. Kido Mariano wrote: I *tried* to implement the Dust theme using one of my other themes as base. Try it out: http://www.geocities.com/kid_orig/themer/Dust-0.tar.gz (requires Aurora engine installed) It's still a bit far from the mockup, and some apps have problems (most notably Firefox, due to quirks in the Aurora engine). Anyone care to help? -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- View this message in context: http://www.nabble.com/Dust-theme-implementation-tp19116621p19256483.html Sent from the ubuntu-art mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art I also read about your firefox issue. I found a fix in the SlickneSS theme involving userchrome.css; It should be in the Kin Dust theme, just replace the text colour in the file (bottom of file) with whatever colour you want. For the menubar, if you use a pixmap, you can just use an image with any gradient you want. I reccoment SVG for excellent scaling. I can get more detailed on these, but I really just reccomend downloading a could other themes with the sttributes you need, and then borrowing code. Kin Didymous has very similar features (It was inspired by Dust) so it has almost everythig you're already looking for. Mind you, it's kind of sloppily coded right now... (GTK / Userchrome.css, I think) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kin%20Dust?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=Human-Didymous.tar.gz -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Folder Icon challenge.
On Mon, Sep 1, 2008 at 12:46 PM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi all, I think that for a first try this is pretty good. The highlight gradient at the bottom could be less saturated at the first stop and perhaps a bit more subtle - I know that is getting picky but it is one very important part that we don't want to lose. One very tricky part of making folders is making small version which work well and look similar to the large versions. My experience has shown that making a small version while making the big version keeps things within the bounds of possibility. I will try to scrounge up some of the other folder variants we made for Oxygen a couple of years ago and post them to the list. -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art As per a smaller version, a re-make in the older flat style might be more visually appropriate. Anywho, mark 2. I also threw in some gloss versions in there. I have no idea if the thumbnails in the icon are feasable at this point, but nonetheless they are there. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/example_mk2.png -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kin Dust
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:11 PM, Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Arjuna Navaratna [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED]wrote: Hey Everyone; Heres live screenshots of Kin Dust. Right now I'm tweaking the panels and doing any per-program fixes for programs like firefox and OpenOffice (which disagree with dark menubars). Similar to all the Kith/Kin theme derivatives, when buttons are moused-over they have an under the window glow that blooms on the wireframe... Not shown in the pictures though; I need to manually edit images to show what the glow looks like, and I'm lazy. But if you've used Kith/Kin Emerald themes, you know the glow. http://raraken.deviantart.com/art/Kin-Dust-Live-96257933 http://raraken.deviantart.com/art/Kin-Dust-avec-Firefox-et-Avant-96261776 Things that are done include the firefox fix (but not a full theme), emerald, modified Metacity theme (looks similar to the origional dust), Avant navigator theme, Dark KithKin wallpaper, and the GTK (newest Murrine version, panels still under work). Things en route include customized cursors (similar to DMZ-Black), a true firefox theme, more fixes (Openoffice, mainly), panel themes and KDE colour sets. Things down the road (provided I get some rubber on the road) will be custom login and bootsplash images. -Ken Vermette Just a question, is your firefox theme going to fix the bookmarks toolbar as well? Just curious, because your screenshot is missing the it. I'm using Dust right now and I modified the userChrome.css to fix most of the issues I have except for the bookmarks toolbar. -Arjuna -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art The navigation bar and bookmarks toolbars will be dark-text-on-light, so no fixing will be necessary. The firefox theme will primarily tweak the tabs, keeping the rest of the theme simple and free of potential bugs. -- -Ken Vermette I forgot to ask, but is there anybody with GTK theme experience available to help me stamp some bugs out of the GTK/streamline it a little? I know there are several (more/less) simple fixes, I just have no experience in GTK (and the fact that this even has a working GTK theme at all still shocks me) Main issues right now are almost all related to dark panels, and customizing some panel applets. I'm posting the entire contents of what I have on Wikipedia tonight (with bug warnings on the GTK) aswell a things I need done. Since final submission deadline is coming up (and burning my heels), time is a bit too tight. Obi-wan-anybodyatallplease; you're my only hope! Any help at all would be -really- appreacted, like, endlessly. -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Kin Dust
Hey Everyone; Heres live screenshots of Kin Dust. Right now I'm tweaking the panels and doing any per-program fixes for programs like firefox and OpenOffice (which disagree with dark menubars). Similar to all the Kith/Kin theme derivatives, when buttons are moused-over they have an under the window glow that blooms on the wireframe... Not shown in the pictures though; I need to manually edit images to show what the glow looks like, and I'm lazy. But if you've used Kith/Kin Emerald themes, you know the glow. http://raraken.deviantart.com/art/Kin-Dust-Live-96257933 http://raraken.deviantart.com/art/Kin-Dust-avec-Firefox-et-Avant-96261776 Things that are done include the firefox fix (but not a full theme), emerald, modified Metacity theme (looks similar to the origional dust), Avant navigator theme, Dark KithKin wallpaper, and the GTK (newest Murrine version, panels still under work). Things en route include customized cursors (similar to DMZ-Black), a true firefox theme, more fixes (Openoffice, mainly), panel themes and KDE colour sets. Things down the road (provided I get some rubber on the road) will be custom login and bootsplash images. -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kin Dust
On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 12:03 PM, Arjuna Navaratna [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Aug 28, 2008 at 11:53 AM, Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hey Everyone; Heres live screenshots of Kin Dust. Right now I'm tweaking the panels and doing any per-program fixes for programs like firefox and OpenOffice (which disagree with dark menubars). Similar to all the Kith/Kin theme derivatives, when buttons are moused-over they have an under the window glow that blooms on the wireframe... Not shown in the pictures though; I need to manually edit images to show what the glow looks like, and I'm lazy. But if you've used Kith/Kin Emerald themes, you know the glow. http://raraken.deviantart.com/art/Kin-Dust-Live-96257933 http://raraken.deviantart.com/art/Kin-Dust-avec-Firefox-et-Avant-96261776 Things that are done include the firefox fix (but not a full theme), emerald, modified Metacity theme (looks similar to the origional dust), Avant navigator theme, Dark KithKin wallpaper, and the GTK (newest Murrine version, panels still under work). Things en route include customized cursors (similar to DMZ-Black), a true firefox theme, more fixes (Openoffice, mainly), panel themes and KDE colour sets. Things down the road (provided I get some rubber on the road) will be custom login and bootsplash images. -Ken Vermette Just a question, is your firefox theme going to fix the bookmarks toolbar as well? Just curious, because your screenshot is missing the it. I'm using Dust right now and I modified the userChrome.css to fix most of the issues I have except for the bookmarks toolbar. -Arjuna -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art The navigation bar and bookmarks toolbars will be dark-text-on-light, so no fixing will be necessary. The firefox theme will primarily tweak the tabs, keeping the rest of the theme simple and free of potential bugs. -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Dust-Based theme
http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/concept.png Essentially a brown dust-theme with unionish stylings. I'm thoroughly enjoying Dust, and I really want to see where it can go, and see at least something like dust get into the theme set. Essentially, this is just Ubuntu-Dust. -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Intrepid Dust Theme
On Mon, Aug 18, 2008 at 9:50 AM, Andrew Wood [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm a big fan of this very clean and modern looking. On Sun, 2008-08-17 at 23:31 -0700, Brian wrote: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/DustTheme Has anyone opened this for discussion? I think it's a very good mockup, and doesn't look like it'd take that much work to get a working mockup from it at least. Throw in some orange highlights here and there, and I think this would be absolutely perfect. [: -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art I actually gasped aloud (to the cause of great mockery on my part) when I saw this. This is the GTK look, the frame blends beautifully, I just have no words. This mockup has caused me to scrap my current design for Kin Piano, and I'm going to use this as a template for anything I do further, but this remarkable theme, in my humble opinion, is it. I dont know if I can do better, because this is always what I've been trying to aim for, in sheer cleansliness and polish. Excellent, Excellent work. -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Extending the art direction on a per-program basis
Hey everyone; This post easily would not be in regards to intrepid, possibly it's successor. It's in relation to extending the art-teams direction beyond theme creation, into program layouts and per-program optimization. One of the main things I'm noticing with Ubuntu is that we have a lot of -really- nice themes ready and poised. Dust is simply astounding, for example (please post the Dust theme files, I love them). However, if we ever plan to take on interface masters such as the designers over at Apple and Microsoft, we need to polish individual programs once we have established themes. A good example of an unpolished looking program is Asilerot Solitare. The game looks horrible, and is in no way related to any Ubuntu theme. To make asilerot solitare look good, all we need are some cards and a new background. Firefox is a good example of when a per-program theme is made. The Dust firefox theme adds amazing polish, and solidifies the theme. Other programs just have inconsistant layouts, if we managed to steal away some programmers they could just make sure programs have a more standardized layout. Overall, this would include a slow per-program layout update, and involve maintaining program changes post-update (or getting the devs to add it to the changes to their main builds). Programs that support themes (like firefox or Solitare) and programs frequently used (such as Nautilus or Evolution) would be the best to focus on. This post is mostly observational, but I personally beleive that it should be a priority - once we have a polished, updatable theme (such as OSX is doing with Aqua). -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Again, top-posting. (*sigh*)
On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 5:08 PM, coz DS [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, Aug 4, 2008 at 2:12 PM, Thorsten Wilms [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mon, 2008-08-04 at 12:09 -0500, Matthew Nuzum wrote: We need to be careful to avoid putting too many barriers in place. Nothing stifles creativity and enthusiasm more than getting hit with a laundry list of rules and regulations you must comply with (well, except maybe getting caught up in a flame over them). The chaos we have leads to nowhere. Enthusiasm that burns so faintly it doesn't even survive being told about rules that are strictly designed to make the live of mailing list recipients easier is worth nothing, because that's all it will lead to: nothing (but words). I'm always eager to hear new ideas and thoughts on this list. However I am really tired of rants about etiquette. Every day I deal with people who don't know that its best to trim posts or reply below the original message. Its not my job to educate them, I simply lead by example. You cannot lead if no one follows. What I'm tired about is single line replies combined with quoting whole threads. How could one expect anything good regarding artwork, which is much about communication, from people who are so ignorant about the work others (would) have to invest to read their ... opinions? I would suggest that we've probably lost more opportunities to do something great as a team because of this top-posting fascism than probably any other issue we've addressed. I take issue with you calling this fascism and regarding opportunities, I point to my first paragraph. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Hey guys, Honestly is this top posting that big of a deal ? I also use gmail and hit reply. I have no idea if it is top or bottom posting. so let me know if this is top or bottom. Maybe what needs to be done is ONE team in ONE area of the country and ONLY THAT team be responsible for ALL ubuntu artwork. At least unimportant art unrelated issues will be omitted. It would save time with no mailing lists required, and no rules of posting to get in the way of the important stuff, no mailing list attachments etc etc etc. What do you guys think? I vote that the ONLY art team be located in Pittsburgh , PA USA. coz -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art The point of having a community-accessible channel is the community part. Having a core art team somewhere eliminates the community, forces relocation and requires that everyone there be paid to be there. Even 2 artists at $10/hr for 8 hours a day would cost $160/day, $800 for a 5 day week, $4000 a month, or $48,000 per year. No self-respecting artist would work for that much, so they would have to be terrible artists to be that cheap. So suck it up, and unless you want to personally spend $48,000+ to not need to follow the top-posting rule... Just don't top post!!! As long as all the old messages are -above- the scrawl of your new messages, mission accomplished! If I can figure it out, anyone can. -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Kin Piano Progress
Hey Everyone; I've been without an internet connection of my own for awhile, I've recently moved so I'm waiting to get hooked up. The Piano styling of Kin is still in the works, and some things are being modified due to Emerald Pixmap limitations, but it is looking very good, albut I had to remove the highlight on the top and bottom rims. Meat and Potatoes; What I'd really like to get at, is forming a Kin team to help unify Kin-Theme development and diversify styles. We have Kith, Slab, Tonic, Human2, Piano, Codname Plue and others; all being produced individually. They all have several styles in common, so if we could get the people that excel in their elements to work on what they do best - we could not only have a diverse collection, but one with truly complete themes instead of half-baked lemons. Realistically, what I could dedicate to any team that forms is I personally can create Emerald themes, from start-to-finish, and build Pixmap/SVG GTK elements. Anything that could be done with SVG, I could help style and concept. What we would need on the team, would be actual GTK theme programming (having several failed Kin GTK themes myself, I'm no good at it), Metacity programming (although Kin Tonic metacity has set an EXCELLENT standard for that, hopefully Tonic, I would like you to join the team). Additionally, anybody with experience is tweaking themes on a program-level would be good. In addition, bootsplash, logon pages and other interface elements could be done, aswell, I can help produce graphics for those. Going onto less-important assets (but assests nonetheless) we could also give gnome-games a facelift (I know I've already started a couple graphical tweaks for aislerot and a couple others), and other programs auch as Avant, Kiba, Gnome-Panel applets, KDE, Firefox, etc. Any program that either doesn't fit or looks outdated. I don't know how to setup launchpad or other sites a team could be established (unless I program a personal site, but I would prefer an already ubuntu-oriented website) but when I get a solid connection I could set one up, unless someone beats me to it (I get a connection on Wednsday, nudge nudge, wink wink) Lastly, as always, amazing work, everybody! All these themes are similar and unique. One way or another, if we create a pallet of themes and suite of components - it would be simple mix and match to maximize all of our themes unique potential, and we could establish the level of organization required to polish our themes. -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] variation of Kin styling
On Mon, Jul 28, 2008 at 1:38 PM, shadowh511 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jul 28, 2008, at 5:06 AM, Michael Stephenson [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/28 shadowh511 [EMAIL PROTECTED][EMAIL PROTECTED] On Jul 27, 2008, at 11:44 PM, tonic [EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I've been dabbling with my own variation on the Kin styling http://picasaweb.google.com/ghatanothoa/CurrentProjects/photo#5227945564509952210 http://picasaweb.google.com/ghatanothoa/CurrentProjects/photo#5227945564509952210 I got 404'd odd :( attached it since its small enough anyway. cheers, Tonic Kin Tonic.png -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.comubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art It looks like something Steve jobs would use (huge compliment)! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.comubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art The new maximize, minimize and close buttons are inspired, nothing like anything I have ever seen before, Far better than anything that Steve Jobs has produced (Huge Compliment). How far away is an implementation, can it be done with metacity and any of the current gtk engines? Mick -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Remember that anything is possible with Linux. A way will present itself eventually. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art For the waves, you just make an emerald theme with a wave pattern, and set it to repeat. ;) -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] More Mockups
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 2:01 PM, Kim Kahns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 26.07.2008 22:50:03 schrieb(en) Ken Vermette: I'm not entirely sure about the direction Kin and Kith are taking, especially with the whole OSX smackdown - so I'm trying something new with the themes, posting mockups of the new directions the theme could go flailing into. When I hit something half-decent, I'm going to develop it similarly to Kith/Kin, but I'd like to know I'm getting warmer first. If you post links to other themes, I'll try to incorperate what you like, wether I personally like it or not! Below are with different backgrounds... http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_kith.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_grass.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_leaf.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_rocks.png With buttons... http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_btns.png The main difference is that I've broken the slab, and made the outer rim outline protrude even farther from the block while making it more subtle. I've also switched to gray for the window contents. -- -Ken Vermette --quoted attachment-- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art The mockups lock nice, but this won't work. Dark toolbars with bright text combined with bright window-content with dark text won't work together because it is not possible with non- native-gtk applications (like Firefox and OpenOffice). Sure, one could modify the userChrome.css for Firefox but there is no workaround for OpenOffice and others. ~Kim Kahns (Kimmik) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Aside from firefox (because you can create themes for it) Openoffice could simply not have a dark toolbar, simply looking like any window that doesn't have one of its own. Bigger, more in-depth stuff coming later when I have more time. -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] More Mockups
On Sun, Jul 27, 2008 at 8:41 PM, Kim Kahns [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 28.07.2008 02:31:11 schrieb(en) Ken Vermette: Aside from firefox (because you can create themes for it) Openoffice could simply not have a dark toolbar, simply looking like any window that doesn't have one of its own. There is no way to do that other than launching openoffice with env GTK2_RC_FILES=/usr/share/themes/ALTERNATETHEME/gtk-2.0/gtkrc ooffice But I don't think that this would be an option. ~Kim Kahns (Kimmik) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art New batch, I tried to get everyones ideas in here. The only thing I did differently from the suggestions was the buttons, the gray background to them just made it all feel more solid. http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_kith_r2.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_clouds_r2.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_rocks_r2.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_trnthtfrnupsddwn_r2.png aaand... The development SVG. One thing about the SVG is that it's -very- rough. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kin_Intrepid?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=kin_piano_rev2.svg As a thought, please tell me if you like the idea; but what if we create an all-brown dark theme for the root account? With the root set as a matching all-brown theme, users will still see when they're using the root account, and the windows will look half-decent (as opposed to using the most generic theme settings) Again, any suggestions will be implemented one way or another! Also, I'm thinking of getting a team together to work on a complete version of this style, from login screens to avant colour schemes aswell assuming thingskeep going in the right direction. -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] More Mockups
I'm not entirely sure about the direction Kin and Kith are taking, especially with the whole OSX smackdown - so I'm trying something new with the themes, posting mockups of the new directions the theme could go flailing into. When I hit something half-decent, I'm going to develop it similarly to Kith/Kin, but I'd like to know I'm getting warmer first. If you post links to other themes, I'll try to incorperate what you like, wether I personally like it or not! Below are with different backgrounds... http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_kith.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_grass.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_leaf.png http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_rocks.png With buttons... http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin_piano_btns.png The main difference is that I've broken the slab, and made the outer rim outline protrude even farther from the block while making it more subtle. I've also switched to gray for the window contents. -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Mark has Thrown Down the Gauntlet!
On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 6:48 AM, Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 9:42 AM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salane Ashcraft wrote: On Thu, Jul 24, 2008 at 9:22 AM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Salane Ashcraft wrote: I just received an email from another Gtk programmer who I recruited to help out. Get them on the ML. I *really* hope they work out. I know with Studio I've gone through about 20 people I recruited. It always comes down to me and maybe 1 or 2 other cool people around our community. :( I'm my experience things got done best when the designers/artists worked directly with the person who has the final word. I really don't think Mark will get what he wants 'till he's on this list and involved. -Cory \m/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Mark made it clear to Ken and I what he wanted us to do - he wanted guidelines to be made, by the community, that were within his certain guidelines. Which are where? They are well known- with Icons and the Theme, he just wants us to retain our identity. Too vague. Though *I* can work with it you still run the rick of people doing alot work that that Mark doesn't like. That has been the history of Ubuntu art and is quite disheartening to alot of people. I do agree he should be even more clear, and more explanatory. But that doesnt matter if we dont have the people. Clear guidelines can also get people on board IMO. In the end the only way this really gets done is a small group of talented people working with Ken that don't care about the wider communities opinions. Come up with a vision/guidelines and go for it. Are you planning on creating a new theme for US for the 8/10 release? Ubuntu Studio has a evolved theme for 8.10 in the works. Still very familiar. Still dark. ;) -Cory K. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Ok well I posted them a while back, about a month ago. I am working on creating a small team, and hopefully I can get some things done. i almost think that we need to wait a bit for Icons - as what I have been working on looks great with the current icons. Mark wants in 2 years for us to have moved to the point of surpassing OS X - So I think we can create this theme, change the fonts, the work on icons for the next release, while making improvements to theme in preparation for the next LTS. -- Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art 2 years is doable. What we really need to do, and again it's pounding the idea into the ground, is create a set of guidelines and a strong focus of where we want to be in 2 years. Apple didn't just pick the OSX interface out of the ground yesterday, if whatever we produce looks about as sharp as the cheetah interface I think we'll be on good ground to build on our product. After looking at Kin against Kims GTK work, I think silver is the way to go, but looking at OSX I also beleive we might need something cleaner. Just like Apple, we also need to keep in mind that technology will change, and we can build on that later aswell. One of the main things that I'm finding is stopping an Apple level of polish, is that linux/ubuntu programs just don't follow the same standards for interfaces. We can create an extremely polished interface, but side by side the two wrong applications will still reflect badly. Be it a scrollbar that's not positioned the same, or 2 completly different guidelines for buttons (audacity, inkscape are huge examples) we should also consider polish on the program level. Throwing it out there as an example, the card games that are packaged with gnome look like the windows 98 card games. What would bring a -deep- level of polish, just on the level of these card games, would be to create a theme for the game that blends in with our final GTK theme. We aren't at that point yet, when we have our theme in cement will be when were ready for it. When we have our interface standard, we will have the luxury of slowing down instead creating entire new themes every release. Without the extra overhead of building Emerald and GTK themes, the extra time we get could go towards skinning chess, and going into the application level of skinning. That's what apple is on now. They stopped making new styles (brushed, for example) and unified the themes. And now on individual applications they're polishing. Time Machine is the perfect example, of where a utilitarian program was made almost into art. In summary; What we need is that standard, once we have our identity we don't need to build it every release, and with the extra time we can move onto polish in the application level. -Ken Vermette
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kith Intrepid
On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 12:52 PM, Andrea Cimitan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: To add to that, the min/max/close buttons are a direct copy of Vista. Might want to do something with that. Yeah I noticed that too -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art The Kith buttons (similar, but only stuck to the right ride of the window frame) use the same pallet size and shape as the original Union theme, and aswell they have a mouseover glow ready (albut the glows may look a little weird without the suspended frame bordering the window) Cimi, what is the RGBA hex value of your window background? I'd like to tailor an exact union-style frame (with the suspended rim and button glows) if you'd be willing to post a screenshot. Also, on a side note, apologies for the top-posting, I didn't realize I was doing it, tell me if this message top-posts (I'm paranoid now) -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kith Intrepid
... Getting back on topic... I've read a few complaints about the exact colour of Kith, specifically how it looks like someone gutted a salmon on their computer. I've put together Kin, which is somewhere between Kith and Union and even (going back on this one) Basic Ideals. Link below. Should I build the Emerald theme and give it a real whirl? http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin.png I'm hesitant to make an emerald theme for a RGBA Murrine theme; Cimi, do you know if there will be full GTK support for the feature by the time InIx will be released? On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Julian Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..on or around Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 04:28:35PM -0700 shadowh511 wrote: Look at my sig! shadowh511 Please don't complain about top-posting, I'm typing from an iTouch. you could've waited until you were at a desktop computer to post us that, but then i suppose your sig wouldn't make sense. ah, i get it now.. that was a 'meta-top-post'. -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com http://selectparks.net messages containing HTML will not be read. On Jul 13, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Klaus Bitto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, on a side note, apologies for the top-posting, I didn't realize I was doing it, tell me if this message top-posts (I'm paranoid now) It does not. Everything was fine ;) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kith Intrepid
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 8:31 PM, Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ... Getting back on topic... I've read a few complaints about the exact colour of Kith, specifically how it looks like someone gutted a salmon on their computer. I've put together Kin, which is somewhere between Kith and Union and even (going back on this one) Basic Ideals. Link below. Should I build the Emerald theme and give it a real whirl? http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin.png I'm hesitant to make an emerald theme for a RGBA Murrine theme; Cimi, do you know if there will be full GTK support for the feature by the time InIx will be released? On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 7:37 PM, Julian Oliver [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: ..on or around Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 04:28:35PM -0700 shadowh511 wrote: Look at my sig! shadowh511 Please don't complain about top-posting, I'm typing from an iTouch. you could've waited until you were at a desktop computer to post us that, but then i suppose your sig wouldn't make sense. ah, i get it now.. that was a 'meta-top-post'. -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com http://selectparks.net messages containing HTML will not be read. On Jul 13, 2008, at 12:53 PM, Klaus Bitto [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Also, on a side note, apologies for the top-posting, I didn't realize I was doing it, tell me if this message top-posts (I'm paranoid now) It does not. Everything was fine ;) -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette Sorry about the top-post, I'm an idiot. -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kith Intrepid
On Sun, Jul 13, 2008 at 8:39 PM, Andrea Cimitan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/14 Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: ... Getting back on topic... I've read a few complaints about the exact colour of Kith, specifically how it looks like someone gutted a salmon on their computer. I've put together Kin, which is somewhere between Kith and Union and even (going back on this one) Basic Ideals. Link below. Should I build the Emerald theme and give it a real whirl? http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y111/raraken/kin.png I'm hesitant to make an emerald theme for a RGBA Murrine theme; Cimi, do you know if there will be full GTK support for the feature by the time InIx will be released? I really don't think so. I can't work on it, and I didn't received any help by someone who would like to patch GTK+ system tray (this is the biggest issue with RGBA colormaps due to an old freedesktop spec thats need to be updated) If someone (Mirco Muller or Neil Patel) would like to patch Ubuntu's GTK+ and add the modern code... but well, I don't think they will. -- Andrea Cimitan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] - http://www.cimitan.com Murrine: http://murrine.cimitan.com GNOME Developer: http://www.gnome.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art There's too much for myself to program as well, and I would need to learn the architecture to implement anything... Either way, I'll be unable to do it, too much I'm unfamiliar with. In RGBA enabled themes through, could you set a short gradient to start at 100% then fade into semitransparency for a smooth blend, correct? In the meantime I've been looking at Murrine and it's drawing routines. Next week I'll be going on a short vacation, and scanning my designs for what I sketched as the Kin interface; I'd like to try to incorperate some kith/kin-ish features into the gnome panels (particularly the wireline). Would the panels support RGBA in Murrine? I know I'm asking quite a bit, I'd just like to see where all this could go. It's probably a good thing I'm not curious about the garbage disposal unit in my sink too, or I'd be typing a lot slower... -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kith Intrepid
Alrighty. Maybe if you'd like we can try this the other way around, I've just uploaded the Kith emerald theme (named Didymous) onto the tubes, the colour might be slightly off with the metacity theme, but if you want, give it a try! https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kith_Intrepid?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=Didymous.emerald or the wiki... https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kith_Intrepid#head-1929036c38a4d895a1d544c27bef8d017949b58d On Sat, Jul 12, 2008 at 6:55 AM, Andrea Cimitan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/11 Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Andrea, could you pass the theme files my way so I could try them with my theme files? All of this is amazing, and I'd like to start updating Kith around the Murrine engine and get a really consistent look. This is all just fantastic. -Ken It requires some changes in the engine in order to get the tabs -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kith Intrepid
Andrea, could you pass the theme files my way so I could try them with my theme files? All of this is amazing, and I'd like to start updating Kith around the Murrine engine and get a really consistent look. This is all just fantastic. -Ken On Fri, Jul 11, 2008 at 4:33 AM, Andrea Cimitan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/11 Andrea Cimitan [EMAIL PROTECTED]: 2008/7/11 Salane Ashcraft [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Thu, Jul 10, 2008 at 8:59 PM, Andrea Cimitan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2008/7/11 Mario Viviani [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Actally i's just a trial to see if it's possible to make Kith using Aurora Engine. The first step i took was the colourscheme, and i think it's not so bad like this. However if i got time next days i can add some change, like the Emerald theme fixed and some issues with the GTK theme.. I used different font from Kith mockup becausei think it's interesting see how Droid can mix with new themes and concepts... However i can make a branch of the theme wit the mockup fonts, of course. Mario Quick try using the Murrine engine (still bugged but doesn't look bad at all): http://img67.imageshack.us/img67/6747/schermata11fq2.png Cheers, Cimi -- Andrea Cimitan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.cimitan.com Murrine: http://murrine.cimitan.com GNOME Developer: http://www.gnome.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art That is SO much better! Amazing! I won't work anymore on this... I just liked to show that you can reach a lor of styles using murrine. If someone would like to have that dirty hack just ask me In order to get these tabs you need to add ~ 20 lines to murrine: http://img172.imageshack.us/img172/8282/kithtabsks2.png -- Andrea Cimitan - [EMAIL PROTECTED] Website: http://www.cimitan.com Murrine: http://murrine.cimitan.com GNOME Developer: http://www.gnome.org -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Wallpapers, contributing to the WIki
Hey everyone, it's been quite some time since I've been able to work on themes, - but I'm back. I've caught up on (most) of the discussion (with an email inbox of 287 messages, never subscribe to a list and leave it for over 5 months) A more community approach is definitely excellent - when it comes to updating community wikis and creating possible standards, should we use the mailing list as the main means of discussion before solidifying an idea on the wiki, or go straight into dropping ideas into the community wikis? I would really like to help out on this now that I can seriously develop again. As mentioned, I'm able to develop again; I've graduated BMQ and I've been given back my rights and privledges for electronics, weekends, and all that good stuff. Itching for action I've already updated the Kith wiki, and added several wallpapers. Moslty - I'd like to know if I should move them into the community wallpaper wiki, as they aren't actually Kith-specific without starting an extra wiki page. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kith_Intrepid#head-9851c541584c71456bdd4d3f6375fbcf1bf2cd19 Thank you, -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kith Intrepid
I've gotta make this email quick, so I can't go into details; Great ideas, I'll try to get to them next time I can, I've ran out of time this weekend. The last update to the page is the addition of the wallpaper I've been using, or a close re-make of it for higher-resolutions. Thank you for the comments and input, I'll see what I can do. I have no idea when I'll get at a computer next for updates, could be into late June. Everybody keep up the great work everywhere! -Ken On Sun, May 25, 2008 at 6:56 AM, florian schoeberl [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Sat, 2008-05-24 at 08:51 -0700, Ken Vermette wrote: I've updated the page with a second button scheme, and a studio style as well. It should look less vista-ish on the second button style. First of all: I like that very much! Just had the following idea: what about removing the outer orange line of INACTIVE windows - this would extremely highlight the active ones and make the desktop more clear. Also I am not sure about these lines at the panels. Maybe they are a little bit too stylish instead of functional? -flo -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Kith Intrepid
I've updated the page with a second button scheme, and a studio style as well. It should look less vista-ish on the second button style. On Sat, May 24, 2008 at 6:33 AM, Valentin Steinwandter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Looks really nice, but the buttons are in my opinion a bit too vista-like ;-) Am Samstag, den 24.05.2008, 06:16 -0700 schrieb Ken Vermette: Hello again; I've added frame buttons, made a few small adjustments, and updated the wallpaper to Kith Intrepid. Link below, as mentioned, slow updates. Thank you. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Intrepid/Kith_Intrepid - Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] meeting in 3 hours
The wiki doesn't appear to have been updated since the last meeting; what's to be covered in our next meeting? Just to be sure, is it going to be in #ubuntu-meeting or #ubuntu-artwork? -- Other Ken On Jan 10, 2008 8:25 AM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 10 January 2008 17:03:26 xl cheese wrote: I'd like to join this one, but I can't seem to connect through my work's proxy server. If you have any thing you would like to add now, send an email to the list so that we can include it during the meeting. -- Ken From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Thu, 10 Jan 2008 16:02:40 +0100 Subject: [ubuntu-art] meeting in 3 hours Hi all, As of the time I am sending this email there are 3 hours until the meeting. it would be good to have as many people as possible attend :-) -- Ken -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art _ Share life as it happens with the new Windows Live. http://www.windowslive.com/share.html?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_sharelife_012008 -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] meeting in 3 hours
Excellent, thank you. Just a reminder; firefox has speelchak, so expact me speeleng tu bi rele baad een liv IRcee! ... And in other possible topics to be covered, would a decision on application and environment skinning be appropriate (e.g. KDE, Firefox, WINE themes)? And additionally, now that were working with both Emerald and Metacity, how similar/different should themes for the different systems be treated (Would the default Emerald theme just be an antialiased version of the metacity theme, should it use transparencies or be more similar)? -- Ken B (or V) On Jan 10, 2008 9:03 AM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Thursday 10 January 2008 17:59:06 Ken Vermette wrote: The wiki doesn't appear to have been updated since the last meeting; what's to be covered in our next meeting? Yeah, what with the holidays and all I missed updating that, sorry (anyone who would like to help with this kind of thing just let me know!) Just to be sure, is it going to be in #ubuntu-meeting or #ubuntu-artwork? It will be in #ubuntu-meeting -- that one Ken guy -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up updates ending.
I've updated the wiki to include all the assets, including the svg v0.3, there's also the upadated 0.4 (final) svg. I recommend using the 0.4 file, as it's more up-to-date. So I guess that's my last personal update to the Union theme, for now at least. New readers, link to the final union update below; https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Union if anyone wants to take over the theme wiki, please, feel free to have at it! Also, to everyone working on the live version of the theme, would it be possible to post your work on the wiki? Julian, if you still can't download the files, tell me and I'll email you the .zip with everything in it. Thanks to everyone again; -- Ken On Jan 8, 2008 1:32 AM, julian [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi Ken, do you have the SVG available for the 0.3 theme? i see the link is broken on the wiki and it can't be readily downloaded using other means due to SSL restrictions. i'd like to have a play with it if possible, as i'm sure others may too. cheers, -- julian oliver http://julianoliver.com http://selectparks.net -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up updates ending.
Thanks everyone; The good news is that some strange concoction of software managed to salvage the data off my hard drive, so I still have all the assets to the theme; I can't use tar.gz on this computer (Windows) without downloading extra stuff, so I'll be loading a .zip file loaded with the assets tomorrow or the day after. I've re-downloaded GIMP and Inkscape, so I will be able to complete the 0.4 update and ship that out... However this computer is not my asset, so I'll no doubt be slowed as I cede control; so I can't give an estimate as per when I can actually get it finished. -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up compiz problem.
Looking at the screenshot, I need to say good work! Somewhat freaky seeing a live rendition of the mockup... If I wouldn't be murdered in my sleep, I'd install Ubuntu on this computer so I could see it in action! Looking at the potential dropdown problem of one item flowing into the next, plus the shadow at the same intersection, why not go the opposite direction? Where the music selection has the solid orange highlight, why not copy it onto the places button? That way the highlight has continuity with the button, and it eliminates both the shadow and the border issue. So really, just make places the solid orange too. The only other way I could see it being done would be to eliminate the line at the top completely (don't know if it's feasible), decreasing the depth of the shadow, and lowering it to the point where it no longer meets the border. This solution is horribly sloppy, and would hit the bottom menu hard. Aside from the dropdown, if you would like the Emerald theme I've developed, I can't send you the file directly, but I can attach a .zip file with all the images and instructions necessary to piece it together. I'll try to have it ready for tomorrow. Amazing work! -- Ken V On Jan 7, 2008 6:25 PM, xl cheese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think compiz will put a damper on the nice menus and menubaritem combination. Compiz puts a shadow all the way around the menu. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Union?action=AttachFiledo=gettarget=menu.png It may also be tricky to have the engine draw the 1px border around the menu except for the intersection of the menu and menubaritem. I'm sure the right programmer could make it happen tho. Date: Sun, 6 Jan 2008 01:44:02 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: [ubuntu-art] Union mock-up updates ending. Updates to the union mock ups and sources are officially ending. While working on the most recent update, my laptop froze completely, and now it appears to be completely dead. Because I'm beginning military training on the 13th, there's no point in fixing the 6-year old beast of a laptop. The data might be fine (I think it's the graphics card), and I'm going to plug my hard-drive into a desktop computer to see if I still have my work; depending on how this goes, I might get one more update loaded into the wiki, after that I'll make the most of my time with the family before I leave. If my data is corrupt or irretrievable, then I'll be forced to forget any more updates. The 0.4 update was the second last planned before calling the theme design final. It unified outlines throughout the theme, added an additional button to the bottom of the windows, and overall had some colour balancing. If anyone wants to get a step closer to the planned design, follow the steps below: - Brown lines throughout the chrome receive 35% opacity, including drag circles. - Window frame button outlines receive converted tab outlines, becoming more square and sharp. - Close button no longer fades to the right, instead going into the edge of the window and only fading at the top. From here on out, I'm a useless bag of opinions until I leave (sucks to be this mailing list now, eh?). I'll try to keep up, and my email will always be open. If I do manage the update, a tar.gz will be available with all of my materials, including wallpapers, all versions of the theme, experiments, notes, personal instructions and my Formulae Tru design shown in my deviantart account, below. http://raraken.deviantart.com/ Thank you, extreme apologies for any and all trouble this may cause. -Ken Vermette _ Watch Cause Effect, a show about real people making a real difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_watchcause -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Stop kickin' the dead horse - Create a full Union GTK theme.
I just updated the wiki to include some buttons and tabs, so there's a rough idea of the direction widgets could be going. I pushed it out as quickly as I could, but I didn't have my regular machine so I couldn't build it as quickly as I would have liked. I'll have an update later today with multiple desktop wallpapers and the like, with more widgets as well. I'll also polish existing widgets. I'm still trying to wrap my head around the GTK, so I'll see if I can get some contributions into the GTK as well, but for now I'll focus on Emerald, and an opaque version of Union. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Union Also, I'm leaving on the 13th of this month, so my last updates will be on the night of the 12th before I go into a 3-month blackout. It could potentially be over a year I'm disconnected, but I believe it will only be 3 months. Either way, I'll probably gone until the LTS of Ubuntu comes out - so if there's anything anybody needs/wants, tell me so I can get it done. On Jan 3, 2008 11:49 PM, xl cheese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm thinking we can go ahead and get as close as we can to his mockup with what is currently available. Then tackle the nitty gritty stuff possibly hacking some engines. Attached a slightly updated gtk. From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Thu, 3 Jan 2008 12:07:42 +0100 Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Stop kickin' the dead horse - Create a full Union GTK theme. Hi folks! I think one of the problems creating a theme like Kens mockup could be, that (AFAIK) there is no gtk-engine supporting things like rounded corners for menus, because the only transparency we can get there comes from compiz/beryl/xcompmgr. I think we would need to hack an engine... cheers Sebastian Billaudelle Am Mittwoch, den 02.01.2008, 23:32 -0500 schrieb Ken Vermette: I've tackled Emerald, I'll be honest and say I suck when it comes to the live conversion, so it could probably be done better. I'll post what I have done tomorrow the moment I get at my regular development machine (traveling). I'll also make a variation with an opaque content arera in case Cimis' GTK mod is a beast, and to help get things rolling. We might need it anyway for low-end machines using Metacity. Should I post the Emerald theme I have in the Wiki? Or is there anywhere you would prefer to keep the files? (Also, thank you! Been fighting this stuff tooth and nail, I'm still very new to the theme formats) --Ken Vermette On Jan 2, 2008 11:07 PM, xl cheese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to try to mimick Ken's mockups as close as I can with a true gtk theme. If anyone here would like to help out with it email and we can take it offline. I'll start using the pixmap engine for things I can't get any current themes to make then attempt to alter some other engines to do it and replace the pixmap parts. Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:52:09 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards. Ooh, what's that one? OSX is long held as one of the boldest and most unique designs in the industry, when Windows was just toying with XP - Apple made the ultra-shiny, over-glossed look and threw in every effect they could think of and paired it with a pinstripe. If you look at OSX now, compared to when it was first demonstrated, it has toned down dramatically; no pinstripes, for example. That being said, I'm a firm believer in designs that are both bold and unique. If it's unique, people will remember it. If it's bold, people will talk about it. When you see a desktop screen-shot of Vista, you know it's Vista. Vista is bold, unique. When you see OSX, you can see the dock - the signature - Unique to OSX. Apple has always been bold, and the big X on the box shouts at you. Ooh, what's that one? If you want to make an argument for just being Unique - that bold should be beyond our users, then I would be tempted to present Amiga. There's an operating unique to itself, but there's no oomph in the design. I've only ever -heard- of these Amiga users, and I only hear that the Amiga users out there are the ones unwilling to let it go. I doubt anyone will walk by an Amiga in a store and be captured by it. It's unique, and users of Amiga reminisce about it - but it's not being talked about in anything other than fond memories. Linux users have posted pictures of Vista-clone desktops, or OSX-like machines. You forget them, because it's not unique or ever as polished as the original. Linux/Ubuntu is not Vista, it's not OSX, it's not Amiga: Ubuntu needs to be Unique and bold - Capturing - Ubuntu. Ubuntu can be that, and be user-friendly at the same time. It doesn't need to be jet-black to be bold, bold isn't a colour or a specific design. It doesn't need to have patterns
Re: [ubuntu-art] Theme Update
I like the way you've used the brown and made it feel very light. Also, the way elements will use two tones of brown is very appealing. The first impression when I look at the theme though, is that it's looking at what else looks good - and patches all these looks together. In the end, individually all the pieces look good on their own, but the theme itself looks a like patchwork. What the theme really needs (in my personal opinion) is some basic or structure to go by, more consistency. For example, something like the outlines. Here's the different styles I've counted in the lines alone: - 2px, dark brown (Active Window) - 1px, dark brown (Inactive Window) - 1px black (Panels) - 1px light brown (Dropdown, inner content-box) - 1px gray (panel inactive window) You have gray, black, several shades of brown... The outlines could technically work - but there's no real pattern to it. There's two drop downs and while everything else is identical about them, they have 2 styles of outline... It's just what looks best for each individual element. Try making some sort of pattern or structure for it like you had before, for example, heres some possible rules: - active windows widgets, dark brown. - inactive windows widgets, light gray. - windows, 2px. - all other elements, 1px. Your first scrollbars shared that same semitransparent look as the origional dropdown, but now the scrollbars look like inactive parts in an active window. Buttons are glossy but the window title is textured. Every element is rounded to a different degree. When you start defining what things should look like on a global level, elements may not look -as- good on an individual basis, but overall it would look much better. In a nutshell, my advice would be to use jot down some basic rules on outlines, fills, textures, colours, how rounded corners should be, where and what direction gradients should look like, etc. Then comb over your theme, and unify the look feel. The first incarnation of your theme was much more consistent across all the elements, and as a whole my opinion is that it looked better. The theme is good though, and it's got huge potential. Keep up the good work! -- -Ken Vermette On Jan 4, 2008 7:15 PM, Nemes Ioan Sorin [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: julian wrote: ..on Fri, Jan 04, 2008 at 10:25:18PM +0100, sylvain marc wrote: Good theme this is a clean and eye-pleasing direction. comments: i think the shading on the buttons is a bit too much, perhaps so much so that it's hard to differentiate between a button-pressed and a button-normal. could they not be 'flatter'? this may make them look like they're more a part of the canvas than the stuff the window title is made of.. i find the diagonal pattern in the scrollbar troughs a bit too much, perhaps even dominating the scroll-handle itself. taking the trough colour back to a simple dark gradiant might be enough. that panel gradiant is good: just enough to give them form. the window title text is well resolved too i think: it sits out with the same depth those buttons are in relief. choice of typeface is great.. i think the contrast is better in the v1.5 than v1.6. i'd be keen to see v1.5 with squarer buttons and a few of the above suggestions implemented.. cheers, Sorry Julian, you say this is a clean and eye-pleasing direction ...but is not really ;). really. From a functional perspective those scrollbars is not what is supposed to be regarding UI Usability. First functionality, then the candy - that's the rule in Design. Scrollbars must mark visually that there in place, the content overflow over recipient margins and it's height/width should suggest an approximative difference between how much information are hidden and how much is visible. Scrollbar must be enough distinctive place and should not distract the look focus from content. In our case we have here an interesting hypnotic effect created by the scroll-track bar. Moving the scrollbar over the scroll-track - this hypnotic effect is amplified. So I see here some problems - theme is nice and clean - but scrollbar design denote one fact - the author is not yet very clear on it's knowledge, on it's power. Yet.No problem - time and experience will help here. But the scrollbar is not usable as is now. Other elements are OK (excluding colors of course - but is not his choice I understand that). SorinN -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Stop kickin' the dead horse - Create a full Union GTK theme.
On Jan 4, 2008 8:17 PM, Troy James Sobotka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Nemes Ioan Sorin wrote: Blue OR blue + green, well combined will give you a Peace of Mind feeling [don't think a second that $MS designers are stupid]. Once again, colour psychology has been debunked 100 times in 10 different environments. Don't even think about going there. Look no further than the most extreme cases of light - black and white. Black is sometimes associated with death in some cultures, white in others. We have been over this rubbish 1000 times before. Don't peddle it here without getting a swift bout of recourse. It is utter tripe, utterly misleading, and a complete distraction from the point at hand. This is a nature vs nurture argument, and nobody will ever be right. Colours do affect people, but it will affect people differently. There's no point going into a bloodcurdling rage over colour theory, because despite being a theory, it still has merit. I know that bright yellow is a much happier colour than a dark gray. When you see bluish green you're going to think of water. You might even associate water with being clean or hydrated, but red kool-aid would do that for red. The only problem with colour theory is when you read too far into things. I won't say any particular colour represents fear, or sadness. I just agree that you associate colours with objects, and those materials will determine how you associate with those colours. So if we wanted to choose colours we should really look at why they represent what. Why is brown a clean/dirty colour? Some people say brown is delicious, but it's not the colour they like, it's the chocolate. When we know why a colour feels what way, then we can design the hue, tone, lightness and texture of the colour around the analog. Delicious brown might be chocolaty or coffee-like, sturdy brown might look more like wood with a grain. Dry brown might look like sand, or avoid dirty brown that might look like waste. Nemes Ioan Sorin wrote: First functionality, then the candy - that's the rule in Design. And you are aware that our now ubiquitous 'form versus function' was a general byproduct of the Swiss Style movement? It is also a dated approach from a contemporary standpoint. You are also aware that movements change? You just barfed up some fictional fact that once again is rooted in contextual relationship to society and artistic / design tends. Functionality first. We didn't get to where we are now because as cavemen we decided we wanted a round spear instead of a pointy one. You need to design the functionality of your system before you polish it. You could design a perfectly flat phone but at one point you had to carry the things in a bag - but we did manage to make the bag look decent. If you don't build the functionality of the system first, you have nowhere to start, that's all. If we didn't have the functionality known as buttons and windows you'd probably fight that the font of your command-line interface needs to be serif because sans fonts are made for functionality. Fact is, you need to design functionality first, with what you have. When that's over with, you can polish with the room you have remaining. There's so much leeway now that you might have the illusion that there's no need for function - but you're still working with _functional_ elements. Even new designs, like a round contextual menu, still first must have a functional design. Design for arts sake might look good, but cripple the experience. Sorry, but I have been reading this list too long to put up with yet-another-fictional-fact regarding art and design. You just said something close to Disco is the only musical style out there. It will always be the way to create music. or Food that is always built with no spice or herbs will always be successful to every audience that tastes them. The main thing is that I do, partially agree with you. There's common sense and then there's extreme Freudian theory. Common sense says I like milk because I find it delicious. Freud might say I like milk because it subconsciously reminds me of milk from my mother in after birth and I want to feel young - so on. I was never breastfed. The main thing about your comment I disagree with, was the attitude taken. I'm sorry to point to call you out on it, but you should focus on the contributing instead of attacking. Slogging through several paragraphs and not one of them actually had real input. You can be a little more civil in your argument - and get more done in the process. Sincerely, TJS -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Stop kickin' the dead horse - Create a full Union GTK theme.
Probably not a good idea, in my opinion. It would require an additional dialog/prompt during interrupting our well-streamlined installation process, and possibly confuse some users. It could additionally kill the ability to easily troubleshoot without needing to ask how the user has their computer configured. In terms of branding, Ubuntu would also lose it's brand awareness, and risk potential suits for stealing another systems look feel. Plus we would need to maintain several themes at once, and risk needing to program new features specifically for imitation... Apologies, just not so hot on the idea. -Ken Vermette On Jan 4, 2008 10:24 PM, shadowh511 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: You know what, lets not create an official theme and have the user choose a theme from a list when the account is created or have a dialog to ask which OS they used in the past and have it open themes to make it look like that os Hey, its an idea -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Usage of Blur...
By default, I don't believe so, but if the art team makes something that might be considered worthwhile - the argument could probably be made to support blur by default on powerful-enough machines. I'm unsure of who would make that decision in the end - possibly Mark, I don't know. On Jan 2, 2008 6:03 PM, Jan Niklas Hasse [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I don't think it will be, because there are only a few graphic cards which support it. Intel and the free ATI driver are not along them. But I'm just a user and don't know any official decisions. On Jan 2, 2008 11:28 PM, AA Boy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have seen a few mockups which seen to make use of blur. I was wondering if anyone knew if it was going to be turned on in Hardy? Just wondering, because I could add that to my mockups if it was (it would also worry me, since not all graphics cards can handle it).. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.
No author of any theme is remotely aware of whether or not their submission will make it into the final product. I don't know that, if I turn one of my themes into a full-out GTK with Emerald and Metacity, my time will have been worth it. While we are all aware that Mark will decide the final theme, how do I know if Mark will see it? How much effort should I put into the theme, vs how much effort should I put into the mailing list or the Wiki, making sure the right people will see it? Maybe everyone would be much happier if there were just some sort of list - or anything, that says The list of everything Mark is guaranteed to consider, the list the Art Team will push to Mark first as their best and finest selection. A list where at least you will probably know you've made it as even an alternate choice. Mark will have the final say, so where do we find out what Mark wants? Can he be given a selection of what we have now, so we can get his commentary? I personally don't want to turn anything into a real theme because I don't know what will be considered. If a clear set of rules is established (must be a working GTK theme, with Metacity and where applicable, Emerald files, etc) and I'm told Hey - if you make X into a live theme, X will be on that list - we will put you there then I'll make the full GTK, and I'll make the Emerald, and I'll kick into overdrive to make everything you'll need because I know it'll be seriously considered. Right now all I know is that Basic Ideals got public attention, Union was given a union-like GTK to develop on, and then this Gelatin thing came out from left field and now I have a third theme I've started because I think thats what the Art team likes... I have two weeks before I'm serving in the Canadian Air Force, I have two weeks before I'm gone for 3 months, and possible well over a year if I don't get permission to get a new laptop. I don't expect to make the next default, and I don't know who will - but among this mess of message boards and Wiki articles how is anyone expected to feel like they've made it farther than a few good comments? -Ken Vermette On Jan 2, 2008 9:06 PM, Justin Rogers [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Jan 2, 2008 6:47 PM, Troy James Sobotka [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is no war. There never has been war. There is only sabdfl and his way that he chooses to run his company. I applaud his patience, monetary input, and brilliance in this light. Voting is also irrelevant. The poorly conceived Edgy byproduct achieved approximately 75% voter approval over the existing artwork of Dapper. It made no difference, and nor should it. the only thing to fear from a vote is the reality that your contributions are not as popular as you would like them to be. And given enough votes, all things will median. Sincerely, TJS -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art Dude you are just spinning your wheels, because I don't understand how nything up to this point can be called brilliant. I don't claim to know what to implement to get this project back on its feet. But the fact is that we are more then two months into a six month release cycle without anything to show for it. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards.
Ooh, what's that one? OSX is long held as one of the boldest and most unique designs in the industry, when Windows was just toying with XP - Apple made the ultra-shiny, over-glossed look and threw in every effect they could think of and paired it with a pinstripe. If you look at OSX now, compared to when it was first demonstrated, it has toned down dramatically; no pinstripes, for example. That being said, I'm a firm believer in designs that are both bold and unique. If it's unique, people will remember it. If it's bold, people will talk about it. When you see a desktop screen-shot of Vista, you know it's Vista. Vista is bold, unique. When you see OSX, you can see the dock - the signature - Unique to OSX. Apple has always been bold, and the big X on the box shouts at you. Ooh, what's that one? If you want to make an argument for just being Unique - that bold should be beyond our users, then I would be tempted to present Amiga. There's an operating unique to itself, but there's no oomph in the design. I've only ever -heard- of these Amiga users, and I only hear that the Amiga users out there are the ones unwilling to let it go. I doubt anyone will walk by an Amiga in a store and be captured by it. It's unique, and users of Amiga reminisce about it - but it's not being talked about in anything other than fond memories. Linux users have posted pictures of Vista-clone desktops, or OSX-like machines. You forget them, because it's not unique or ever as polished as the original. Linux/Ubuntu is not Vista, it's not OSX, it's not Amiga: Ubuntu needs to be Unique and bold - Capturing - Ubuntu. Ubuntu can be that, and be user-friendly at the same time. It doesn't need to be jet-black to be bold, bold isn't a colour or a specific design. It doesn't need to have patterns and pinstripes - it needs to stand out; Ooh, what's that one? When 3 computers are lined up at computer store X - you don't want Ubuntu to be passed. If it makes the stand, people will notice it and be drawn to it for it's beauty - and stay for the amazing operating system it is. You want whoever passes that computer to say... Ooh, what's that one? On Jan 2, 2008 9:43 PM, Andrew Laignel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who wrote: How does a conventional 'vote for the one you like' allow us to see this? Maybe you could vote 1...5 on each entry then look at the tally graphs for distribution? into love it/hate it camps which should be avoided at all cost. Ideally a default theme should not be even noticed by the public - being neutral and innofensive as possible should be the goal. A perfect demonstration of this is Apple, where the current theme for OSX is crips, clean, stylish and probably as neutral as you can get - no loud colours, drastic layouts or hard edges. AFAIK, this has never been the aim for the Ubuntu default theme - and I don't think it ever will be. Sometimes going for love it or hate it beats going for bland. At least then people see it! As long as I can remember the Ubuntu Theme has been part of the branding, something that helps make Ubuntu known, something for people to talk about. From this point of view, it has worked very well - if you see a screenshot of linux and it is brown, you _know_ it is ubuntu - if you see a blue distro who knows... I'm not saying don't be brown, or to lose the Ubuntu theme, but to avoid anything overly stylized. Most people using a computer will never touch the default theme settings, and the less likely that a sizable percentage will be sitting in front of something they hate the better. If people want something really cool/different (ultra dark/steampunk etc) then maybe there should be some alternate themes shipped with it so if someone does have a look into the menus something is there. Ulitmately if you really want a radical theme you can with very little effort. The focus should be on giving the people who simply don't care about the subject as pleasant an experience as possible, rather than forcing them to change it because it's horrible (to them). -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] ArtPackagingSchool
I can lead a team until mid this-month, get a team off to a good start. But if anybody has bold and unique ideas, I'd be willing to work under them. All and all, if people are willing to put up with a guy that has a tree up his [censored for children] for two weeks, and they just need a design -started- but want to finish one, then I'll lead a team. In two weeks time though, the project would need to be picked up by one of the team members. I believe I would be best suited working underneath someone with more experience though, and I'd hate to leave a project leaderless. On Jan 2, 2008 10:27 PM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who wrote: On Jan 3, 2008 3:04 AM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who wrote: Cory, I mentioned ArtPackagingSchool on the wiki page about Theme Teams - are you familiar with the launchpad theme packaging method in a way that would mean you can contribute to that? I notice Troy has added a very sensible comment on the wiki suggesting we write a document not just run a school for a day on irc. what do you think? Does it exist? I'm only slightly familiar with it. We mostly did our packages based on example-look and help with dholbach. Our source package is cleaner that example-look atm but we plan to fix that. We're also looking into how to make 1 source package for everything needed for the art that will make multiple binary pckages. Theme, wallpaper, GDM, etc... I'll give the wiki page a look and see if I can help. I agree a IRC day is a cool idea but yeah, most likely won't be enough. Expanding the wiki to address art packaging might help. I'll have to sit down and pick a couple of days to really dig in. -Cory \m/ Great :) Now we just need some theme team leaders :P There is the clincher. :) It really will take someone to step up and say Ok. I believe in this theme/concept enough to learn what is needed to get it into Universe. It will take learning Launchpad, BZR and working with -MOTU. If you prep the source packages right you wont *need* to learn packaging but it wouldn't hurt. -Cory \m/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] ArtPackagingSchool
On Jan 2, 2008 11:08 PM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ken Vermette wrote: On Jan 2, 2008 10:27 PM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who wrote: On Jan 3, 2008 3:04 AM, Cory K. [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who wrote: Cory, I mentioned ArtPackagingSchool on the wiki page about Theme Teams - are you familiar with the launchpad theme packaging method in a way that would mean you can contribute to that? I notice Troy has added a very sensible comment on the wiki suggesting we write a document not just run a school for a day on irc. what do you think? Does it exist? I'm only slightly familiar with it. We mostly did our packages based on example-look and help with dholbach. Our source package is cleaner that example-look atm but we plan to fix that. We're also looking into how to make 1 source package for everything needed for the art that will make multiple binary pckages. Theme, wallpaper, GDM, etc... I'll give the wiki page a look and see if I can help. I agree a IRC day is a cool idea but yeah, most likely won't be enough. Expanding the wiki to address art packaging might help. I'll have to sit down and pick a couple of days to really dig in. -Cory \m/ Great :) Now we just need some theme team leaders :P There is the clincher. :) It really will take someone to step up and say Ok. I believe in this theme/concept enough to learn what is needed to get it into Universe. It will take learning Launchpad, BZR and working with -MOTU. If you prep the source packages right you wont *need* to learn packaging but it wouldn't hurt. -Cory \m/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art I can lead a team until mid this-month, get a team off to a good start. But if anybody has bold and unique ideas, I'd be willing to work under them. All and all, if people are willing to put up with a guy that has a tree up his [censored for children] for two weeks, and they just need a design -started- but want to finish one, then I'll lead a team. In two weeks time though, the project would need to be picked up by one of the team members. I believe I would be best suited working underneath someone with more experience though, and I'd hate to leave a project leaderless. -- -Ken Vermette It really should have a committed leader willing to see a project through completion. Leaving before that would only do harm. -Cory \m/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art I agree, I'll join any team that needs an artist - but leading any projects just wouldn't be a good idea with the time I have left. -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Stop kickin' the dead horse - Create a full Union GTK theme.
I've tackled Emerald, I'll be honest and say I suck when it comes to the live conversion, so it could probably be done better. I'll post what I have done tomorrow the moment I get at my regular development machine (traveling). I'll also make a variation with an opaque content arera in case Cimis' GTK mod is a beast, and to help get things rolling. We might need it anyway for low-end machines using Metacity. Should I post the Emerald theme I have in the Wiki? Or is there anywhere you would prefer to keep the files? (Also, thank you! Been fighting this stuff tooth and nail, I'm still very new to the theme formats) --Ken Vermette On Jan 2, 2008 11:07 PM, xl cheese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I'm going to try to mimick Ken's mockups as close as I can with a true gtk theme. If anyone here would like to help out with it email and we can take it offline. I'll start using the pixmap engine for things I can't get any current themes to make then attempt to alter some other engines to do it and replace the pixmap parts. Date: Wed, 2 Jan 2008 22:52:09 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Moving things forwards. Ooh, what's that one? OSX is long held as one of the boldest and most unique designs in the industry, when Windows was just toying with XP - Apple made the ultra-shiny, over-glossed look and threw in every effect they could think of and paired it with a pinstripe. If you look at OSX now, compared to when it was first demonstrated, it has toned down dramatically; no pinstripes, for example. That being said, I'm a firm believer in designs that are both bold and unique. If it's unique, people will remember it. If it's bold, people will talk about it. When you see a desktop screen-shot of Vista, you know it's Vista. Vista is bold, unique. When you see OSX, you can see the dock - the signature - Unique to OSX. Apple has always been bold, and the big X on the box shouts at you. Ooh, what's that one? If you want to make an argument for just being Unique - that bold should be beyond our users, then I would be tempted to present Amiga. There's an operating unique to itself, but there's no oomph in the design. I've only ever -heard- of these Amiga users, and I only hear that the Amiga users out there are the ones unwilling to let it go. I doubt anyone will walk by an Amiga in a store and be captured by it. It's unique, and users of Amiga reminisce about it - but it's not being talked about in anything other than fond memories. Linux users have posted pictures of Vista-clone desktops, or OSX-like machines. You forget them, because it's not unique or ever as polished as the original. Linux/Ubuntu is not Vista, it's not OSX, it's not Amiga: Ubuntu needs to be Unique and bold - Capturing - Ubuntu. Ubuntu can be that, and be user-friendly at the same time. It doesn't need to be jet-black to be bold, bold isn't a colour or a specific design. It doesn't need to have patterns and pinstripes - it needs to stand out; Ooh, what's that one? When 3 computers are lined up at computer store X - you don't want Ubuntu to be passed. If it makes the stand, people will notice it and be drawn to it for it's beauty - and stay for the amazing operating system it is. You want whoever passes that computer to say... Ooh, what's that one? On Jan 2, 2008 9:43 PM, Andrew Laignel [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Who wrote: How does a conventional 'vote for the one you like' allow us to see this? Maybe you could vote 1...5 on each entry then look at the tally graphs for distribution? into love it/hate it camps which should be avoided at all cost. Ideally a default theme should not be even noticed by the public - being neutral and innofensive as possible should be the goal. A perfect demonstration of this is Apple, where the current theme for OSX is crips, clean, stylish and probably as neutral as you can get - no loud colours, drastic layouts or hard edges. AFAIK, this has never been the aim for the Ubuntu default theme - and I don't think it ever will be. Sometimes going for love it or hate it beats going for bland. At least then people see it! As long as I can remember the Ubuntu Theme has been part of the branding, something that helps make Ubuntu known, something for people to talk about. From this point of view, it has worked very well - if you see a screenshot of linux and it is brown, you _know_ it is ubuntu - if you see a blue distro who knows... I'm not saying don't be brown, or to lose the Ubuntu theme, but to avoid anything overly stylized. Most people using a computer will never touch the default theme settings, and the less likely that a sizable percentage will be sitting in front of something they hate the better. If people want something really cool/different (ultra dark/steampunk etc) then maybe there should be some
[ubuntu-art] Second version of Union mockup
The second version of the Union mockup is up, with sources and alternate wallpapers. Widgets will be coming in the next upload, within the next few days. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Union Anyway, suggestions, comments, all is fair game. Please explain any suggestions in detail so I know the logic behind it, and how to best implement ideas. Heads-up that mid-January I'm going to be unavailable for about 3 months, and afterwards I'll be spotty for another literal year. After the 3-month mark I will be making updates, but they will be nowhere near as frequent. Cheers! -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Second version of Union mockup
I think as long as the widgets are done correctly they'll look good; I'm basing the widgets, very much like the rest of the theme, off of the Murrine per-pixel-alpha demonstration image and Basic ideals; although the widgets will be more flat. I also kind of want to stick close to the Murrine alpha demonstration (in terms of widgets) because if this theme is fully done, it means that there will probably be less bugs until per-pixel-alpha matures. The three buttons running on the bottom-left of windows are for less-used, but helpful actions. I don't know how possible they are, but I figure it makes no sense to pack the entire topside of a window with buttons when the bottom is practically untouched. All of the 3 buttons are on/off, and in order they are: Roll up, Above other windows, Tack/Sticky. I drew the tack backwards (doh!) I agree about the transparency with the inactive window; it needs much more opacity. On the orange background I use it looks less apparent; but you can really see it on every other background. The + - is there mostly because I wanted something other than the Vista look, but I'll make some new buttons that hopefully explain what they do, while avoiding vista-like icons. I'm unsure on how they'll look when th user mouse-overs, but they will have a green/yellow/red glow if I can make it look good. I'll have an update tomorrow with the changes, and possibly widgets. I'll also mock-up calculator and another basic program so we'll see how an actual program might look. Thanks everyone! -- Ken V On Dec 30, 2007 2:41 PM, Nicolas Deschildre [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Dec 30, 2007 11:37 PM, Matthew McGowan [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I find the current set in the designs (the plus and minus) a little confusing as to what their function exactly is. +1 Regards matt Dylan McCall wrote: I wasn't 100% with this mockup originally, but now I love it! Those colour changes are well chosen. Those fancy panel icons would be quite a pile of work, however. With an effect like that, it's can be either all of them or none of them, and there are /a lot/ of programs that put themselves in the notification area. Having said that, it would be very cool if unimportant (and inactive) notifications faded into the background, while they used the colourful images we see today when active. However, that sounds more like a code matter... Perhaps that effect would be happier being implemented in code, since on that end it can be implemented for everything, including unofficial applications. One thing important to look at is menu bars that are not directly within windows. GTK decided that menu bars should be independent widgets, (which is good thinking in some ways, but definitely limits some of the cool possibilities of menus that know what window they belong to) so those menus could theoretically be anywhere. Granted, they are usually on the top, but extra use cases would be safe. Nick Telford makes a good point about text areas. Have you put much pondering into those? What are those three buttons you have on the bottom of your windows? Looks like an interesting window management feature that could be implemented by an Ubuntu-side GTK hack... Speaking of effects, I think you could do with a tad less alpha on unfocussed windows. People often look at two or three windows at once for some tasks, and them being so transparent could well make that undoable. Perhaps if that Pin button (which I believe you have on the status bars there) was implemented somewhere, we could better expect people to use the feature. Then, if a window was pinned and unfocussed, it would not have the same transparent effect. (Again, I am not up on how themes work, so please forgive my ignorance!). Keep up the amazing work, Ken! Everyone likes SVGs, so I see a very good chance of this mockup making it as a mainified (mainly? mained?) theme. Bye, -Dylan McCall -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Who is our target audience?
in terms of what is and isn't feasible, yet would want their votes? Great. This is why things are made feasable. Why we design libraries. Years ago per-pixel alpha channels was thought impossible, but we have it now. This is why we make radical concepts, because if we don't think outside the box for one second we wind up where the theme is now: dated. Now, this is an LTS, so really, I agree that we should avoid experimental features somewhat, designing entirely new libraries for a few extra round corners is out-of-the-question, at least in this release. Users aren't tainted by us programmers and designers. They know what they like. Never discard an opinion because someone somewhere doesn't know something - It's high-minded thinking like that which makes progress stagnate. aiming high, in my opinion, is developing a design that more-than-satisfies a supposed majority of Ubuntu using public. until we know what it is most Ubuntu users actually want, we cannot have a clear design charter. Aiming high in my opinion means going through a very thorough design process. It starts with a proper briefing. A good design is a working design. You can get to the same result several ways. -- Thorsten Wilms thorwil's design for free software: http://thorwil.wordpress.com/ -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Union Theme
Thanks for the input everyone, I'll have a batch of improvements ready for tomorrow night. If I missed you, please tell me. Anyway, several issues were mentioned, I'll recap them and cover solutions, since this theme I hope to handle differently than BasicIdeals, I'm going to explain the design decisions and offer solutions. If you feel strongly about any input that was declined, please post reasons why it would benefit so I have a batter understanding: The top Panel Bottom panel are different colours. (bug) They should technically be the same, other than the bolder lines on the inner-most sides of the panels. This theme has been ruthlessly edited because I wasn't happy with several elements, and in the effort of using as few unique gradients as possible (creating consistency) several gradients connected to panels were inadvertently adjusted when modifying window gradients. I fixed each panel individually, instead of deleting one panel and copying the corrected anel to both top and bottom (which I usually do). I'll do that step for the next mockup, so no matter what the panels themselves will be the same. If they still appear different, it may be because the wallpaper in the example is darker on the bottom. Window Contents Transparency (informational) Currently the plan is to use a tweaked GTK+ using Cimi's mod, which enables GTK transparency. Because Cimi created the update him/herself, I honestly don't know what to expect in terms of widget possibilities. Overall the actual contents will loosely resemble the look in the link below with human colours. http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.media/murrine_glass.jpg Variant Transparency in Panels (design) The panels in Union have an opaque-transparent-opaque pattern, with the center of each panel being more transparent than the outside. This is intentional, as users have a tendency to place icons, clocks the application on the far sides, while expanding button contents consume the center. Overall, it's just a method used to get users to see transparency where it's less likely to make things look messy. If possible (I don't know if it is, but I would use it in a second if we could do this) would be to have an areas between panel elements be more transparent, while having panel elements use a more opaque background. 8.04is meant to be a more stable version of 7.10, so ideally we want to use as few experimental technologies as possible. Per Pixel Transparency is a push, but I think it gives such a dramatic effect that it's one new technology really worth pushing forward. Active Window Transparency (design) The current mockup has the active window use a transparency level on-par with inactive windows. To signify an active window from an inactive variant, there's brighter spotlights, orange glows on the top/bottom of the windows, and the frame line is the same shade of orange. The decision to keep active windows within a similar opacity is so the users wallpaper can leak through the window. The theme itself, in solid colours, is extremely boring, it's essentially all tan with few highlights. Because most users will change desktop backgrounds (even if they do keep most other defaults) I want the background to do the work for us in making the theme feel rich. The full transparency will also help push the theme forward as a unique identity from other operating systems. Even if the window itself is not enough to portray itself as active, widgets will also assist as they will be flattened when inactive. Mac OSX uses similar techniques. Adjustments will however be made should widgets not provide enough. Buttons (design) I'm still unsure of what to do with the buttons. I want them to be unique, simple, practical and stylish. They will not be from the BasicIdeals theme, and they will not be straight buttons. I'm still working on a few concepts, but please, if you have buttons you like please link them! I'm considering something similar to the style of the buttons where you only see the symbol, but no visible button frame. The orange is too bright (design) I agree. I'm going to move them closer to orange than yellow. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Union Theme
A few days back I said I'd create a theme based from my own work: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/BasicIdeals ...and another theme by forum user Floodcasso2... http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2620273#post2620273 The end result is linked below in a new Wiki, which also states the end goal. Just as a side note, this was the biggest pain to develop - I'm Light Theme impaired, so don't expect much. The theme also has several half-finished elements and is missing common features such as Buttons and Widgets (Who needs those, anyway?); The theme is called Union, because it's the Union of the two themes. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Union I'll be away on the 25th (today), so apologies if I don't get back to any emails or anything expediently. Tear this theme apart, please. -- Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] SVG engine
What Emrah Ünal is getting at, is that while most engines support the SVG format, they can't yet make full use of them. It's like buying a high-definition DVD player (or blu-ray, whatever) and watching it on a regular TV - you have the potential, but you can't use it. Specifically how it works, is the engine takes your SVG, renders it once at a 1:1 scale, and then uses the render to save processing power. I support SVG graphics because down the road engines will probably improve in this area with the advent of high-definition monitors. It's all still very new, so it will take some time for resolution-independence to be built into an engine - and take even longer for it to run efficiently... On Dec 23, 2007 12:09 PM, AA Boy [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There is a GTK engine specially made for SVGs. I was just thinking this could be used because we could make themes for several screen sizes. On 12/23/07, Emrah Ünal [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What do you mean with SVG engine? Pixmap gtk engine can already handle svg images. In fact svg images do not have a visible advantage vs png images with current stretching model. On Sun, 2007-12-23 at 10:55 -0800, AA Boy wrote: I think we should use the SVG engine in future releases. It does need some work, but that could be done for 8.10+. Anyway, what does everyone else think? Smartboy -- Emrah Ünal [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
[ubuntu-art] Define the elements of 8.04's design
Looking over the mockups, it's easy to see what's getting popular, and what the overall look should resemble; The only problem is, we're all making these designs and unless the perfect design pops into place, none of our designs will be the next Ubuntu theme - come 8.04 it will just be the same bland theme because everyone was waiting for the white whale to appear. So instead of waiting for someone to just make the perfect theme, why don't we list the elements, concepts and ideals everyone most likes from the concepts we've seen? With a list of generally accepted features, we can start getting some serious contenders for the default look, because we won't be firing blind, and we'll have something to work towards I'll throw a few things out to get things started, and maybe after a little give take from we could narrow something down. I'm trying not to be biased having my own theme in the mix, so please call out anything I throw in there that seems self-serving. In []'s are themes/concepts that use whichever feature, with Mailing List just being anything bounced around here. - No Gloss, Use Gradients [Kerberos, BasicIdeals, Mailing List] - Unified titlebar/toolbar [Hardline, BasicIdeals] - Semitransparent Windows, panels (providing GTK uses Cimi's mod, or we use a modified GTK) [Kerberos, Hardline, BasicIdeals, Mailing List] - The theme should feel lightweight [Thorwils' Design, FloodCassos' Design, Mailing List] - Custom icons/notifications to match panels [Mailing List] -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Art Director
Well, here are some wordy and general questions! - Would you say it's better to have a unique visual identity that people my not necessarily like, but would recognize; or have an identity people love, but is not unique and people would not recognize? - Are there exceptions? - If you had to go with one or the other, would strong visual presentation at the cost of performance speed be better than a weak presentation that runs smoothly? Going with the weaker/smoother prsentation will also risk looking outdated, quickly. - If you could do both, and accept that neither would be as polished, would you try to make them as similar as possible, or as unique as possible? - If you design a new, more intuitive user interface: would it be worth alienating users of the old interface to switch to the new one? If you come up with regular innovations, should you add them whenever you get the chance, or allow users to first adjust to previous designs? - If other groups copy your innovation, should you update yours to remain unique? - Common designs specifications are commonly used in programs that are installed on your system. You have a specification that works much better for you and your users needs, but does not match other specifications. Is it better to design your work around the other specifications and risk monotony, or go with your own design specification and risk fragmentation/inconsistency? - Assuming other specifications are more polished because they've had time to refine, how would that affect your decision? - Assuming other specifications aren't as good as what you could produce, would you update their specifications or create your own? - People complain about one of the design decisions running through your work - but it's part of your core visual identity. Assuming if you change the design you completely lose your products years of built-up identity, would the change be worth it? - Depending on whether or not people like/hate your brand (not necessarily the design, but the underlying product), how would that affect your decision? - Another group has a really great new feature/design in their product, and you know your group needs something similar. Should you quickly copy the exact feature as-is, or should you design something new with similar overall functionality? - What if you already had that feature, but your existing version was somehow crippled? - Another group has a product that dominates the market, and you know you need to take their market share to grow. Should you try to make your product similar (so migrating users are more familiar) and risk duplicating any of the other groups mistakes? - What if people love/hate the competitive product? Hope those are good questions. --Ken Vermette On Dec 22, 2007 12:43 PM, Álvaro Medina Ballester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I think you said that we can make some questions... here are mines (less to more important): 1.- Andrew, do you think that Ubuntu can have a great design with brown/orange shades? 2.- Do you feel that Tango icons are better than a more-realistic icons? 3.- Should Ubuntu has monocrome icons in notification area? 4.- This is quite off-topic, sorry. Some gnome developers are thinking about changing gnome's visual metaphor, what do you think about gnome's desktop metaphor? In wich ways should be changed in your opinion? And what do you like about gnome? Thank you very much Andrew. Cheers. 2007/12/22, Troy James Sobotka [EMAIL PROTECTED]: -BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Greetings all. An art director / designer associate of mine has graciously accepted an invitation for an interview. His name is Andrew Menzies ( http://imdb.com/name/nm0579980/ ). He is formally trained in Architectural design and has extended his experience into art direction / design on feature films. Aside from being a great and knowledgeable guy, I thought that his insights might be able to elevate some of the principles and notions of art / design / etc. in Free Software if they were formalized into a 'Question and Answer' format. It will be certainly a single person vantage, but one that comes with a good deal of experience and training behind the offerings. To this end, I am extending this invitation out to all of the readers on the list (and I do mean _all_). If you have a question of workflow / approach / etc., please feel free to offer it up. Sincerely, TJS -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.6 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQFHbWiWar0EasPEHjQRApn3AJsGWhG097BoP1pWS57YdbIMVrCZWACfSm7b vlKHGcyD7GCP1rq3JCi/Iok= =WNxh -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Álvaro. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list
Re: [ubuntu-art] my oppinions and a theme idea (mock up)
Apart from the jags (which I conceded is because it's a mockup) the theme has several elements I really like. The blacks are heavy, and don't feel very Ubuntuish - either switching to brown or another colour might make things more mainstream. Probably my favorite idea is having dropdowns that fade out; Although I don't know how that would work out in terms of usability, it's an effect that I could dig in future themes. Apart from this theme on a more general observation, many of the latest mockups I've seen seems to be taking the route of completely semitransparent windows - it seems to be a pretty popular concept, and it would be an element unique to Ubuntu/Linux. -- Ken Vermette On Dec 22, 2007 4:43 PM, Max Tristen [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: hi people :) i subscribed to the mailing list a week or 2 ago and have been following it with alot of interest. i like the direction that the Hardline theme is taking, it feels more finished and professional to me. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Hardline tbh I'm not a great lover of the current version of the theme.. it has some nice features but they just lacking the finish off which they require. https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/BasicIdeals its too heavy and it feels like an effort just to look at it.. i don't think the colours in the background the buttons works, they're would be better to have a main colour theme not to try mixing other colour themes with the browns of Ubuntu. i do however like this trend of mixing the top bar of windows with the menu bar, that looks very sexy, and that what i think we need to do to the Ubuntu theme, we have to make it sexy. its is one of the main factors which would persuade people to convert to ubuntu. oh another this I'm not too fond of is the amount of curves most of these mock ups seem to have. its a bit too much for me! REMEMBER! if you round all your corners then you loose your edge! I've made a mock up of what i think would look sexy as a default theme. i tried to make my own alternative hardy theme wiki page but it wasn't happening, so instead you can find mine at.. http://www.unknowndomain.co.uk/uploader/files/6/hardyheron..jpg http://www.unknowndomain.co.uk/uploader/files/6/hardyheron2.jpg you can contact me at [EMAIL PROTECTED] or at [EMAIL PROTECTED] i would love to hear you feed back people :) -- Everything in one place. All new Windows Live!http://www.windowslive.co.uk/get-live -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Anyone Remember this idea?
The idea of combining the themes has me curious. Although the theme we could see coming out of it might be less bold or concepty (is that even a word?), I could see something like that being a much more popular theme... I'm going to try a meshing of the two and see what we get. Expect results tomorrow or the day after. I'm also going to make this theme one possible with current technology - without the need for additional libraries. It will only take me a short time to make it, but if it proves more popular than Basic Ideals I'll put my other projects on hiatus to complete the new theme. On Dec 21, 2007 1:10 PM, Álvaro Medina Ballester [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The wallpaper is amazing, the shades are great, but the shutdown button is not usable and don't fits well with the theme. Mixing this colour scheme with Ken's ideas would be amazing. 2007/12/21, xl cheese [EMAIL PROTECTED]: I tweaked the colors on my theme and slapped the brown wallpaper on it. I also recently discovered the inverted button effect with the clearlooks engine and like them quite a bit. Be sure to click on the full size view: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/SmoothMergedGradients#preview From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Date: Fri, 21 Dec 2007 14:58:11 -0600 Subject: [ubuntu-art] Anyone Remember this idea? I thought is was a good use of brown. http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?p=2620273#post2620273 _ Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_dec -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art _ i'm is proud to present Cause Effect, a series about real people making a difference. http://im.live.com/Messenger/IM/MTV/?source=text_Cause_Effect -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- Álvaro. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Where's the official proposed theme idea?
So far the theme is still just mock-ups, and sadly, there's noting actually usable in a live environment. :( At the latest, when mid-January comes to pass I hope to have an almost fully-working theme available. Latest! I hope to have working portions sooner than that. ;) I did just get a whole slew of ideas on my wiki, so I'm going to work on getting version 3.3 of the theme out tonight with the ideas. On Dec 20, 2007 10:24 AM, shadowh511 [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Could I please have a link to the BasicIdeals Theme? I would love to use it -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Where's the official proposed theme idea?
True; but I'd rather give people the option if they use a more windows-like layout, or just don't have anything on the topside of the screen. No real reason limit yourself, keep things available just-in-case. On Dec 19, 2007 4:51 PM, Daniel Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: While it doesn't sound like a big deal, it's just another thing to look at. If I rounded the corner then the button would need to be 1 or 2 pixels lower to accommodate the top-edge, breaking the users ability to slam. You can't slam with floating (non maximised) windows. Mac user can always slam because of the unified tool bar at the top. --Ken Vermette On Dec 19, 2007 6:28 AM, George Brooke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about making the window close minimise ect. icons rounded off at the top rather like the main menu. solar.george Ken Vermette wrote: It's kind of like a mold... Like it or not, it kind grows on you. I hated my windows when I made them, and I have a gallery of hideous window ideas that I hope will never see the light of day. Orange is really just a highlight colour in this theme, so it'll proballbly look odd on the theme until some widgets are added. When they get added though, hopefully the additional orange in the theme will make it feel more balanced. I lightened up the brown and slightly altered the orange - so it should hopefully be a bit better. I can't really use any other colours (even if I think they'll look better) because I want to stick to the official Ubuntu colour pallet. I'm actively planning a small set of variations in popular colours; I don't think there will be a way to change the colours via the colour menu - unless there's a hue-shifting algorithm involved (similar to the one implemented in Vista or Windowblinds). Anyway, there's another update up on the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/BasicIdeals?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=fulldesk%28svg%29_v3_2.jpg the XCF and SVG sources have been updated aswell; the XCF actually has everything in it now, I uploaded a half-finished XCF file on the first version, but the new one will be much better for people who want to use or edit content because it's complete. For anyone wanting to make a mockup using the files, the Mock-ups are first edited/rendered in InkScape, then are imported into the bottom layer of the XCF. You could delete the BG in inkscape and export a transparent PNG to create a render suitable for porting into other themes. Thanks as always, --Ken V On Dec 18, 2007 12:42 PM, Corey Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At first I didn't like this theme, but it is really growing on me. Of coarse there are things that still need work. The orange in the theme feels out of place. It just doesn't fit it because of how heavy the browns are. I think using white as the selected item color in the menus would look a lot better. I also think that the notification area needs to use different colors. It needs to stand out more. Now it hardly stands out at all since it is the same color as the background behind it, and of most windows. Speaking of the windows, I really like the way the titlebar and menu bar are visuially connected int the active window. In the unactive window where it looks like just a gradient from brown to tan looks very ugly to me. I think this theme is about the prettiest a brown theme could be, but we would still get a lot of flac from the brown haters if this were default. I hope that it works well with the color options in the appearence settings so that keeping the theme but using a different color is just a couple of clicks worth of work. Corey On Dec 17, 2007 9:30 PM, Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got the link, and thanks to Racoqster for the quick post on the blog. I know about every language BUT python, so I can try to learn python this weekend and assist in coding later if absolutely necessary; Would it be possible to work without the configurator? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/BasicIdeals The Wiki has been updated to include a mockup with all current elements - and links to the SVG source and XCF source are directly below the image. I'll be downloading some themes that resemble mine (in their technical composition) and start to figure out how we could get this beast into a live environment! The XCF source is almost useless, but it can make life easy if anyone wants to make a mockup with icons text. The large mockup doesn't include the most recent requests (several of which will be integrated), but it gives the closest impression to what a full desktop would look like right now - barring the lack of widgets. Thanks all; -- Ken V On Dec 17, 2007 7:51 PM
Re: [ubuntu-art] Where's the official proposed theme idea?
I also go by Ken #2 or Ken B; but if another Ken whose last name is like, Bernard or something, I'll go by Ken C or with my last initial Ken V. But not W, that's taken. Hope that clears things up. :P But yes, Ken is right (No the other Ken, wait, no, yes, no... Mr.Wimer); This isn't by any means or stretch the official theme, even though a few websites have promoted it as such. It's just a concept theme. With all that in mind, I'm updating the theme wiki for 3.3, and it should be up by the time everyone figures out what to call me. -- Ken (A, B, C or V but not W) On Dec 20, 2007 9:32 PM, Kenneth Wimer [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi, Just thought I should clear something up. This work is not the official theme. Also this is another person who happens to be named Ken making this theme (nice name, dude!) and although I do find several parts of it intersting it is in no direct sense the future of Ubuntu or what we will use in Hardy. Having cleared that up, I like you palette and use of colors although I do not get the feeling of that in the mockup you sent other than the colors at the bottom. -- Ken On Friday 21 December 2007 02:51:14 Andrew Laignel wrote: To be honest I am not particularly keen on the current incarnation of the offical theme so far. I find most of the themes based on brown to overly dark - although this may be more personal preference. I like light, bright themes and find the trend of brown on brown a bit claustraphobic at times. The themes buttons are also a bit too similar in design to Vista for comfort. Putting my money where my mouth is I have created a mockup for a brown based theme that still keeps the spirit of Ubuntu (I hope) but uses large amounts of contrasting and light colours. It's just quick-and-dirty and lacks the majority of the required controls, but hopefully it'll demonstrate what I mean. http://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/Kerberos -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Where's the official proposed theme idea?
It's kind of like a mold... Like it or not, it kind grows on you. I hated my windows when I made them, and I have a gallery of hideous window ideas that I hope will never see the light of day. Orange is really just a highlight colour in this theme, so it'll proballbly look odd on the theme until some widgets are added. When they get added though, hopefully the additional orange in the theme will make it feel more balanced. I lightened up the brown and slightly altered the orange - so it should hopefully be a bit better. I can't really use any other colours (even if I think they'll look better) because I want to stick to the official Ubuntu colour pallet. I'm actively planning a small set of variations in popular colours; I don't think there will be a way to change the colours via the colour menu - unless there's a hue-shifting algorithm involved (similar to the one implemented in Vista or Windowblinds). Anyway, there's another update up on the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/BasicIdeals?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=fulldesk%28svg%29_v3_2.jpg the XCF and SVG sources have been updated aswell; the XCF actually has everything in it now, I uploaded a half-finished XCF file on the first version, but the new one will be much better for people who want to use or edit content because it's complete. For anyone wanting to make a mockup using the files, the Mock-ups are first edited/rendered in InkScape, then are imported into the bottom layer of the XCF. You could delete the BG in inkscape and export a transparent PNG to create a render suitable for porting into other themes. Thanks as always, --Ken V On Dec 18, 2007 12:42 PM, Corey Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At first I didn't like this theme, but it is really growing on me. Of coarse there are things that still need work. The orange in the theme feels out of place. It just doesn't fit it because of how heavy the browns are. I think using white as the selected item color in the menus would look a lot better. I also think that the notification area needs to use different colors. It needs to stand out more. Now it hardly stands out at all since it is the same color as the background behind it, and of most windows. Speaking of the windows, I really like the way the titlebar and menu bar are visuially connected int the active window. In the unactive window where it looks like just a gradient from brown to tan looks very ugly to me. I think this theme is about the prettiest a brown theme could be, but we would still get a lot of flac from the brown haters if this were default. I hope that it works well with the color options in the appearence settings so that keeping the theme but using a different color is just a couple of clicks worth of work. Corey On Dec 17, 2007 9:30 PM, Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got the link, and thanks to Racoqster for the quick post on the blog. I know about every language BUT python, so I can try to learn python this weekend and assist in coding later if absolutely necessary; Would it be possible to work without the configurator? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/BasicIdeals The Wiki has been updated to include a mockup with all current elements - and links to the SVG source and XCF source are directly below the image. I'll be downloading some themes that resemble mine (in their technical composition) and start to figure out how we could get this beast into a live environment! The XCF source is almost useless, but it can make life easy if anyone wants to make a mockup with icons text. The large mockup doesn't include the most recent requests (several of which will be integrated), but it gives the closest impression to what a full desktop would look like right now - barring the lack of widgets. Thanks all; -- Ken V On Dec 17, 2007 7:51 PM, Iacopo Masi [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On 12/17/07, Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: There's go GTK yet, currently most of the work is going into mockups. I need to get ahold of the Murrine Developer Andrea Cimitan, and see about getting information on the Transparent GTK tweaks before I start making the mockups live graphics. Cimi will release the code when a Murrine Configurator should be available so we must work towards the murrine configurator in pygtk. take a look at http://www.cimitan.com/blog/2007/12/16/searching-coders-for-the-murrine-configurator/ -- Iacopo Masi -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Expressing dislike
I agre wholeheartedly, but sadly I don't think there's no way to really enforce it. You're always going to get users who say That's the worst X I've ever seen or Y is better... at that point, you're probably never going to get more detail out of them, and if you do, would you really want to know why your art is teh sux? As much as I hate hiking up the rubber boots and wading through the useless criticism, it comes with the job. Best thing you can do is ask personally, usually people will provide some level of courtesy when they realize it's actually another persons work. On Dec 19, 2007 8:34 AM, xl cheese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I agree. I've seen too many comments like That theme is ugly because I don't like the green wallpaper. Comments like that are narrow minded and not helpful to the creators. Mentioning what you DO like would be much more helpful. Even if there's only one small part of the theme you like. -- Date: Wed, 19 Dec 2007 10:02:34 -0600 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: [ubuntu-art] Expressing dislike On Dec 19, 2007 1:53 AM, [someone] wrote: Looks nice indeed. But doesn't it look too much like MacOS? (except for the color palett of course) I propose a new rule that anyone who says, that theme looks too much like [some other OS]... must also back up their statement with an objective comparison of the elements in question. I think it's being tossed out as a generic criticism. I'm all for constructive criticism and I'm certainly not opposed to people voicing their dislike for all or part of a mockup, but its most helpful if the concerns are specific. Just my two cents. -- Matthew Nuzum newz2000 on freenode -- Don't get caught with egg on your face. Play Chicktionary! Check it out!http://club.live.com/chicktionary.aspx?icid=chick_wlhmtextlink1_dec -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Mockup
You didn't come of as meaning to hijack when you posted your mock-up, no fears! Anyway, starting a wiki is pretty easy! 1. Go to https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate (or the sub-wiki of your choice) 2. Halfway down the page there's an Alternate Submissions section, with an entry to create new concept pages. Enter in the name of your page/theme and hit the Create new Concept Page button. 3. You'll be given a template that rambles on about the majestic platypus. Replace anything that isn't relevant, but keep the general layout intact. I don't know if you work with wikis, so heres a heads-up: -People can come in and edit your wiki. 99% of the time, people only edit it to add comments into the comments section. -You can subscribe to your wiki after you create it, at the top of the page. This will email you whenever changes are made, and keep you up to date. -It will automatically update your table of contents and attachment list for you. Hope that helps! --Ken On Dec 19, 2007 3:48 AM, Thomas L.G [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Hi there Ken, How do I start a theme wiki? And sorry Mikkel, wasn't my intention to hijack the thread, I just thought I would continue the mockup-title-thread, seemed logical at the moment :) Jan Niklas, I don't think it looks like MacOS. I don't know exactly what you're thinking about, but of course we will have the default gnome setup with top panel and bottom panel (which isn't present in my mockup). Joining the window's titlebar and menu also looks neat and is rather fresh, while MacOS has no visible division between the window's parts. Daniel Moore, I know exactly what you mean... I also like some more minimalistic themes. A good minimalistic theme might look very cool. Thinking of some Murrine themes, GAIA themes - Thomas L.G Ken Vermette skrev: Excellent work guys! Thomas, I love the colour layout and your use of gloss (I'm a fan of gloss myself); Keep up the good work. If you don't have a theme wiki, you should definitely start one! -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Where's the official proposed theme idea?
One thing I need to say about Vista is they did good with the window buttons. I'll give em credit where credit is due. A few weeks before I started this theme I read as many reviews and interface guidelines as I could, and one was a review on GUI aspects of Vista and OSX. While they come a dime a dozen, this one was (surprisingly) neutral. Anyway, when it was on topic about window buttons, one thing it mentioned constantly was slamming, where users will slam the mouse onto one edge of the screen. So, as long as an element touches an edge or a corner (which is why I'm tempted to make the X cover the complete corner of the window) the user doesn't need to bother with carefully positioning the mouse over the button. While it doesn't sound like a big deal, it's just another thing to look at. If I rounded the corner then the button would need to be 1 or 2 pixels lower to accommodate the top-edge, breaking the users ability to slam. --Ken Vermette On Dec 19, 2007 6:28 AM, George Brooke [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: How about making the window close minimise ect. icons rounded off at the top rather like the main menu. solar.george Ken Vermette wrote: It's kind of like a mold... Like it or not, it kind grows on you. I hated my windows when I made them, and I have a gallery of hideous window ideas that I hope will never see the light of day. Orange is really just a highlight colour in this theme, so it'll proballbly look odd on the theme until some widgets are added. When they get added though, hopefully the additional orange in the theme will make it feel more balanced. I lightened up the brown and slightly altered the orange - so it should hopefully be a bit better. I can't really use any other colours (even if I think they'll look better) because I want to stick to the official Ubuntu colour pallet. I'm actively planning a small set of variations in popular colours; I don't think there will be a way to change the colours via the colour menu - unless there's a hue-shifting algorithm involved (similar to the one implemented in Vista or Windowblinds). Anyway, there's another update up on the wiki: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/BasicIdeals?action=AttachFiledo=viewtarget=fulldesk%28svg%29_v3_2.jpg the XCF and SVG sources have been updated aswell; the XCF actually has everything in it now, I uploaded a half-finished XCF file on the first version, but the new one will be much better for people who want to use or edit content because it's complete. For anyone wanting to make a mockup using the files, the Mock-ups are first edited/rendered in InkScape, then are imported into the bottom layer of the XCF. You could delete the BG in inkscape and export a transparent PNG to create a render suitable for porting into other themes. Thanks as always, --Ken V On Dec 18, 2007 12:42 PM, Corey Woodworth [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: At first I didn't like this theme, but it is really growing on me. Of coarse there are things that still need work. The orange in the theme feels out of place. It just doesn't fit it because of how heavy the browns are. I think using white as the selected item color in the menus would look a lot better. I also think that the notification area needs to use different colors. It needs to stand out more. Now it hardly stands out at all since it is the same color as the background behind it, and of most windows. Speaking of the windows, I really like the way the titlebar and menu bar are visuially connected int the active window. In the unactive window where it looks like just a gradient from brown to tan looks very ugly to me. I think this theme is about the prettiest a brown theme could be, but we would still get a lot of flac from the brown haters if this were default. I hope that it works well with the color options in the appearence settings so that keeping the theme but using a different color is just a couple of clicks worth of work. Corey On Dec 17, 2007 9:30 PM, Ken Vermette [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Got the link, and thanks to Racoqster for the quick post on the blog. I know about every language BUT python, so I can try to learn python this weekend and assist in coding later if absolutely necessary; Would it be possible to work without the configurator? https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/BasicIdeals The Wiki has been updated to include a mockup with all current elements - and links to the SVG source and XCF source are directly below the image. I'll be downloading some themes that resemble mine (in their technical composition) and start to figure out how we could get this beast into a live environment! The XCF source is almost useless, but it can make life easy if anyone wants to make a mockup with icons text. The large mockup doesn't include the most recent requests (several of which will be integrated
Re: [ubuntu-art] Ubuntu Mockup
Excellent work guys! Thomas, I love the colour layout and your use of gloss (I'm a fan of gloss myself); Keep up the good work. If you don't have a theme wiki, you should definitely start one! On Dec 18, 2007 11:46 PM, Daniel Moore [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: The colours work really well. I'm not a big fan of the superfluous transparent borders or the faded out menus. I'd like to see everything much more crisp, then I think this theme should be a serious contender. The dark brown is a fantastic touch. On 19/12/2007, at 10:40 AM, Thomas L.G wrote: Oh well since we're all mocking up now, let me throw in a suggestion as well: http://www.portefolje.net/div/mockup.jpg Based on Ken's suggestion on this list. Some modifications (darker top area + some reflection, hover, consistent menus, dark notifications with some reflection). Another wallpaper (stock-image from sxc.hu), and another top-panel. Please ignore the ugly notification-icons at top right and other glitches - it is all just photoshop mocking! Also, I didn't make any minimize/maximize-icons yet, I really don't think we should use the Vista-like ones... - Thomas L.G AA Boy skrev: Oops, for some reason teh link got deleted. Oh well, here it is again! :D http://www.smartboy.salocinlinux.org/db/ubuntu-mockup.png On 12/18/07, *Corey Woodworth* [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: It looks invisible to me. On Dec 18, 2007 4:32 PM, AA Boy [EMAIL PROTECTED] mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I have been thinking about what I would like Ubuntu to look like, and made a mockup. Pretty much every shape in this except the panel background and wallpaper is made using SVGs. I may supply sources latter if anyone is interested in them. I didn't do windows yet (since I use Enlightenment, and don't want to change GNOME's theme right now), but I think this may be enough to start with. Anyway, please comment. I tried to make this a pleasing black/brown/orange theme. -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu- [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Where's the official proposed theme idea?
There's go GTK yet, currently most of the work is going into mockups. I need to get ahold of the Murrine Developer Andrea Cimitan, and see about getting information on the Transparent GTK tweaks before I start making the mockups live graphics. Also, the theme is still having regular design updates as I get feedback; I believe several elements are solid though, such as the panels, notifications, tooltips and the like. The actual widgets themselves will (hopefully) have similar opacity properties as http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.media/murrine_glass.jpg, widgets such as sliders and buttons will be similarly styled as current Ubuntu elements, and organizational elements like tabs and boxes will look more like Oxygen-derived elements (in how they fade into the main content) So far though, if it looks good enough to everyone, we could narrow down what's possible and what's not - I know this theme has several technical hurdles; But maybe if we get something working we could iron it out and see what's possible... -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Where's the official proposed theme idea?
I'll post a huge mockup with all elements within a couple hours (I'm starting it after I finish this message), and I'll post the SVG source in a link below it. Once it's completed, I'll also post links to everything to the mailing list as well. That way we have a single image that can reference all elements in a single place. There's pressure for a black and orange theme, and several other colours (Ubuntu Studio look-alike and a silver/pearl theme); if I can, I'll post mockups for those tonight as well in a second wiki sub-section (it's enough maintaining the main wiki with a single alternate set of colours, so a new sub-section will help me keep updates cleaner and more regular). Also, since it's only colour swaps for the most part, if and when alternate themes are added, we'll be able to just swap out graphics and colours when the time comes. Is there a way that we can allow users to select colours in an SVG-based theme? If there is, then I can make any changes necessary in order to give users that option. Otherwise, I can just make several versions of the colouring scheme. Also, should I get ahold of Ubuntu Studio and other Ubuntu-based distros and see if they might want variations of the theme? Anyway, after the update tell me if there's anything more anyone needs. I'll send links to the content when I have it ready. Thanks; -Ken V On Dec 17, 2007 12:26 PM, xl cheese [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Well stop whistling dixie and post up the mocks you have. :) -- Date: Mon, 17 Dec 2007 04:17:48 -0500 From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com Subject: Re: [ubuntu-art] Where's the official proposed theme idea? There's go GTK yet, currently most of the work is going into mockups. I need to get ahold of the Murrine Developer Andrea Cimitan, and see about getting information on the Transparent GTK tweaks before I start making the mockups live graphics. Also, the theme is still having regular design updates as I get feedback; I believe several elements are solid though, such as the panels, notifications, tooltips and the like. The actual widgets themselves will (hopefully) have similar opacity properties as http://arstechnica.com/journals/linux.media/murrine_glass.jpg , widgets such as sliders and buttons will be similarly styled as current Ubuntu elements, and organizational elements like tabs and boxes will look more like Oxygen-derived elements (in how they fade into the main content) So far though, if it looks good enough to everyone, we could narrow down what's possible and what's not - I know this theme has several technical hurdles; But maybe if we get something working we could iron it out and see what's possible... -- -Ken Vermette -- Get the power of Windows + Web with the new Windows Live. Get it now!http://www.windowslive.com?ocid=TXT_TAGHM_Wave2_powerofwindows_122007 -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art -- -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
Re: [ubuntu-art] Where's the official proposed theme idea?
Hey; I know I'm probably very late to the party when it comes to submitting this stuff, but hopefully it's in time for either consideration or even just half-useful input. Other Wiki guys and myself have been working on the GTK and Emerald/Metacity themes; We've just gotten enough polish to be worth showing you guys: https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Artwork/Incoming/Hardy/Alternate/BasicIdeals It's still in draft-format, but it's completly SVG and would use the Murrine Engine with semitransparencies. There would be 4 Emerald/Metacity themes, and 2 GTK themes, for varying hardware and an alternate colour theme for Blubuntu fans. I've kept track of the mailing list (and I was the Ken in the Art meeting, sorry to Wimer if people thought I was you) and I think I have (most) of the concepts discussed in the theme itself. Would this theme be worth modding or changing to be accepted as the default Ubuntu theme? Or should we just continue working on it and try throwing it in as an alt theme? Or is it too late to the party? -Ken Vermette -- ubuntu-art mailing list ubuntu-art@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-art
