Re: Remove OO Draw from the default install
I would second this. Ubuntu Linux have been penetrating educational market and schools use whole package, including OO.o Draw. Maybe it's not for good looking presentations, but it gives insight about drawing on computer. Dia is really powerful tool and I love it, but I wait for interface redesign to suggest it to anyone else, because it's clumsy and looks very dated. Cheers, Peter. 2010/5/17 Mark Ellse m...@chaseacademy.com: We are a school. We use OpenOffice Draw all the time. I agree that it doesn't seem to have been developed recently - a great pity. But it does work and is very useful. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Debian Installer = cheeky?
2010/4/27 Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk: Hi, At this point it seems a bit cheeky or even rude for things like this to happen! Surely no-one is expected to translate these? Has there been a change in the installer itself or can the existing translations be used for now? Regards from Tom :) From: Milo Casagrande m...@casagrande.name To: Ubuntu Translators ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com Sent: Tue, 27 April, 2010 10:42:48 Subject: Debian Installer Hi, I noticed only today that the debian-installer template in Lucid just got some new strings: https://translations.launchpad.net/ubuntu/lucid/+source/debian-installer/+pots/debian-installer Just before the deadline I remember at least for my language, that it was 100% complete. Are those strings something Ubuntu specific? Was the POT template stuck in the queue? Just to understand, thanks. Ciao. It seems like import from upstream. It is highly suggested to translate debian-installer in upstream. From practical point of view, those strings are for alternative/server install. Cheers, Peter. -- ubuntu-translators mailing list ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
Re: If Luicd ia a LTS......
Ok, I will bite - but why, is there some particular reasoning behind this? We have a month. We are middle of beta testing and nothing seems to be delayed. So why? Just curious, Peter. 2010/3/23 Scott Beamer geek...@angrykeyboarder.com: Then I sgrongly urge a few exta betas and a delayed release date. Just my $.02... -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Evolution Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
2010/3/5 Thomas ML Novin thomas...@xyz.pp.se: Simple question: Won't Evolution 2.29/30 be in Ubuntu 10.04 LTS? DebianImportFreeze, UI Freeze are in effect but still only Evolution 2.28.3? I find it strange that the default mailer in Ubuntu lags behind. Well, as far as I have heard from developers, Staying with Evolution 2.28 decision was made because 2.30 will have too big sweeping changes, like D-BUS instead of Bonobo, etc. So it is too much for LTS. I plan to provide 2.30 in my PPA, but I already guess it will be quite taxing due of big changes in dependencies. Cheers, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Evolution Ubuntu 10.04 LTS
2010/3/5 Paul Smith p...@mad-scientist.us: On Fri, 2010-03-05 at 11:23 +0200, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: Well, as far as I have heard from developers, Staying with Evolution 2.28 decision was made because 2.30 will have too big sweeping changes, like D-BUS instead of Bonobo, etc. So it is too much for LTS. What?!?! Is that really true? This is the first I've heard of this! Evo 2.30 is an integral part of Gnome 2.30--it's bogus to try to leave it behind. Evolution is at the same time one of the most important applications for deployment of Linux in a typical corporate environment (read: Exchange-based), and also one of the most problematic historically. That means we need to push _forward_, though, not hang back. There are real problems with 2.28: I can't believe anyone would prefer to stay with that over 2.30 regardless of LTS. Not all those problems are fixed in 2.30 but the Exchange MAPI support in 2.29 is far ahead of 2.28, and the new capabilities added in 2.29/2.30 for other backends solve lots of bugs and clean up all kinds of issues. Plus, if Ubuntu moves to 2.30 they will get the advantage of fixes made for 2.30.1, 2.30.2, etc. 2.28.x will be dead (is already dead, from Gnome's perspective) and backporting changes across that barrier will be extremely difficult for exactly the reasons quoted above (sweeping changes). Does Ubuntu really want to get stuck with broken Evo for the entirety of the LTS? Have the decision makers been following the development lists and trying the new version? Surely they must have some factual basis for such a decision, in terms of experienced instability, rather than just running away from the bullet list of changes. However, I don't see any problems and I've been building Evo 2.29.x from the latest git source every few days and using it in anger on all of my systems for daily email (and I get/send a LOT of email), with both IMAP and MAPI, for the last 3 months or so. It works MUCH better than 2.28. MAPI changes was also a reason I pitched this question why 2.30 is not in Lucid. However, I have learned to respect Ubuntu dev decisions - they see a bigger picture, support costs, etc. I think best solution is to provide PPA with regular updates for Lucid. I will try. Who knows, maybe backport will be a answer. Cheers, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Freeze exception for including usb-modeswitch in main and default (was Re: Including usb-modeswitch in default installation?)
A little bit *bump* - so, what we do with this one? Is there enough reason for freeze exception for this one? Cheers, Peter. So far response from hotplug mailing list is been very positive so far[1]: 1) Some attention should be taken what is supported by kernel itself and usb-modeswitch and trying to port it; 2) There are some stuff in modem-modeswitch (according to Dan Williams of NM fame) which are supported only in modem-modeswitch, but these are rare hardware; More or less I think what happens here - user plugs device: 1) udev rules kicks in. If it's in modem-modeswitch, it's used, if it's in usb-modeswitch, use that instead; 2) if device is recognized at kernel level, no udev rules involved; All we need is to make sure that udev rules and kernel doesn't recognize the same device and therefore clash. For 10.10 we could make sure that all stuff in modem-modeswitch is ported to usb-modeswitch and drop modem-modeswitch in Ubuntu and probably upstream. Can we crosscheck udev both modeswitch tool rules in reasonable time and get this in 10.04 with feature freeze break? Cheers, Peter. [1] http://www.spinics.net/lists/hotplug/msg03399.html -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Freeze exception for including usb-modeswitch in main and default (was Re: Including usb-modeswitch in default installation?)
If it wasn't after Feature Freeze already, I'd be quite supportive - usb-modeswitch totally seems the way to go; I just think it's too late to make the change for an LTS, and I certainly don't think it's a good idea to introduce overlapping pieces this late. It seems more prudent to me to simply document that if your card isn't supported by Lucid OOTB, you may install the unsupported usb-modeswitch package from universe. Then work on having that be the sole supported option for lucid+1 All right, I agree. Let's have it documented well, and work it out for post Lucid release. Thanks for communicating it, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Including usb-modeswitch in default installation?
2010/2/25 Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com: 2010/2/25 Timo Jyrinki timo.jyri...@gmail.com: 2010/2/25 Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com: By the way, reading all materials, I just thought - usb-modeswitch now has nice udev wrapper - why not ship it by default? Why it isn't in main? Is there any objections to this? Patents, legal issues (I can't think of any, but still)? I think this is where come back to the beginning of this discussion :) Ubuntu core developers would like to follow upstream, and it's currently not yet clear enough what's the usptream direction (or what upstream we are actually talking about). Josh from usb-modeswitch is making the point that modem-modeswitch upstream has abandoned its development already, and that (at least some) kernel developers would like to see some of the things done in userspace like usb-modeswitch is doing. So I guess a positive round of discussion on the linux-hotplug mailing list Scott now pointed out would be what's needed to get some backing up to what Josh is thinking, and then Ubuntu could follow the direction most parties seem to agree with. At least for Ubuntu 10.10, but also if the current situation is not really wisely supportable from LTS point of view, freeze exception for even 10.04 LTS. There is only very little time, though. -Timo Ok, wisely or not I dropped message to hotplug mailing list about this question. Let's see what happens. :) More or less this question would be nice to have freeze exception, because USB mobile dongles are that important. It could be main selling point for netbooks with Netbook edition. Cheers, Peter. So far response from hotplug mailing list is been very positive so far[1]: 1) Some attention should be taken what is supported by kernel itself and usb-modeswitch and trying to port it; 2) There are some stuff in modem-modeswitch (according to Dan Williams of NM fame) which are supported only in modem-modeswitch, but these are rare hardware; More or less I think what happens here - user plugs device: 1) udev rules kicks in. If it's in modem-modeswitch, it's used, if it's in usb-modeswitch, use that instead; 2) if device is recognized at kernel level, no udev rules involved; All we need is to make sure that udev rules and kernel doesn't recognize the same device and therefore clash. For 10.10 we could make sure that all stuff in modem-modeswitch is ported to usb-modeswitch and drop modem-modeswitch in Ubuntu and probably upstream. Can we crosscheck udev both modeswitch tool rules in reasonable time and get this in 10.04 with feature freeze break? Cheers, Peter. [1] http://www.spinics.net/lists/hotplug/msg03399.html -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
app-install-data
Question: if I will translate app-install-data, how Software Center will do search? Will it search my translated strings? Will it search also english strings? Or it will search just english or just my translated strings? Cheers, Peter. -- ubuntu-translators mailing list ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
Re: Including usb-modeswitch in default installation?
2010/2/25 Timo Jyrinki timo.jyri...@gmail.com: 2010/2/24 Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com: I fully agree with you Scott, however I am not sure which one of us should start discussion there. Would be nice for you Ubuntu guys to start pushing this idea, because you have some backing. Anyway, I'm subscribing to that list and if no one will volunteer, I will try to initialize discussion. It looks to me Josh from usb-modeswitch has the technical capability of explaining why usb-modeswitch is the way forward, and has also implied that modem-modeswitch of udev has already been abandoned by the upstream. Unfortunately he has just started his vacation (see the usb-modeswitch forum), so there is not going to be immediate backup from him. If you think you can express his ideas and references [1] from his postings well enough, you can start the discussion on linux-hotplug. Just try to be as polite as possible, since I don't know what we are touching here :) But so far it seems that Red Hat's Dan William has abandoned modem-modeswitch, and if also Josh's argument about it cannot be solved correctly in kernel space only is accepted, then usb-modeswitch is the natural way to go forward - possibly by integrating it to udev. [1] http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/bb/viewtopic.php?p=1906#1906 -Timo By the way, reading all materials, I just thought - usb-modeswitch now has nice udev wrapper - why not ship it by default? Why it isn't in main? Is there any objections to this? Patents, legal issues (I can't think of any, but still)? Just a thought, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Including usb-modeswitch in default installation?
2010/2/25 Timo Jyrinki timo.jyri...@gmail.com: 2010/2/25 Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com: By the way, reading all materials, I just thought - usb-modeswitch now has nice udev wrapper - why not ship it by default? Why it isn't in main? Is there any objections to this? Patents, legal issues (I can't think of any, but still)? I think this is where come back to the beginning of this discussion :) Ubuntu core developers would like to follow upstream, and it's currently not yet clear enough what's the usptream direction (or what upstream we are actually talking about). Josh from usb-modeswitch is making the point that modem-modeswitch upstream has abandoned its development already, and that (at least some) kernel developers would like to see some of the things done in userspace like usb-modeswitch is doing. So I guess a positive round of discussion on the linux-hotplug mailing list Scott now pointed out would be what's needed to get some backing up to what Josh is thinking, and then Ubuntu could follow the direction most parties seem to agree with. At least for Ubuntu 10.10, but also if the current situation is not really wisely supportable from LTS point of view, freeze exception for even 10.04 LTS. There is only very little time, though. -Timo Ok, wisely or not I dropped message to hotplug mailing list about this question. Let's see what happens. :) More or less this question would be nice to have freeze exception, because USB mobile dongles are that important. It could be main selling point for netbooks with Netbook edition. Cheers, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Including usb-modeswitch in default installation?
2010/2/24 Scott James Remnant sc...@ubuntu.com: On Sun, 2010-02-07 at 16:16 +0200, Timo Jyrinki wrote: Any objections or observations for a MIR (main inclusion request) of usb-modeswitch and inclusion on the default installation of Ubuntu 10.04 LTS? Binary package size is 30kB + 10kB (data). I have an objection on the basis that we *already* have modem-modeswitch (in the udev binary package), and Kernel code that already attempts much the same thing. We shouldn't have three independent pieces overlapping like this, especially since we'll almost certainly end up with conflicts between them. One of these should win to be the default; that discussion shouldn't be specific to Ubuntu but should happen on the upstream linux-hotp...@vger.kernel.org mailing list. I fully agree with you Scott, however I am not sure which one of us should start discussion there. Would be nice for you Ubuntu guys to start pushing this idea, because you have some backing. Anyway, I'm subscribing to that list and if no one will volunteer, I will try to initialize discussion. Cheers, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Debian-installer redux
Hi everyone! I know there are lot of emails with answers floatin around in this list archive, but as it is changing subject, I will ask again. I have debian-installer and debian-installer-help translated for Lucid in LP. Will they be used for Lucid LTS? If no, why not? Please give some update on this :) Cheers, Peter. -- ubuntu-translators mailing list ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
Re: Including usb-modeswitch in default installation?
2010/2/20 Timo Jyrinki timo.jyri...@gmail.com: 2010/2/13 Timo Jyrinki timo.jyri...@gmail.com: I think the main interesting thing would be that what are the usb-modeswitch developers' motivations and could they with some help from the kernel guys be directed to contribute more to the kernel. In addition to previous concerns in this thread addressed in https://lists.ubuntu.com/archives/ubuntu-devel-discuss/2010-February/010691.html , it seems the upstream is convinced that the usb-modeswitch is needed, and kernel quirks are not either enough or the way to go: http://www.draisberghof.de/usb_modeswitch/bb/viewtopic.php?t=322 (scroll down) I think the udev package's modem-modeswitch point is anyway very relevant, if it's obsolete and somewhat broken. It's currently included in Ubuntu's udev package. Conceptually udev modem-modeswitch is right way to go, but so far it supports only one vendor and no one has explained how to extend it. Cheers, Peter -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
New leader of LP ubuntu-translators-lv team
Hi there! I wanted to drop a note to here that from this day LP ubuntu-translators-lv group - Latvian translator team - is owned by me, Peteris Krisjanis. You can check details here https://wiki.ubuntu.com/Translations/Contact/Teams . I have several plans for this group, mostly connected to need of improving quality of translations both within LP Rosetta system and imported from upstream for Latvian language. Thanks to everyone who helped during this change of membership. Cheers, Peteris. -- ubuntu-translators mailing list ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
Re: Glossary for all languages
Usually it is solved in a way that leadership of translation team translates glossary for project (for example, GNOME, OpenOffice.org both has special po files to for this, don't know about KDE). It contains all terms found in msgid. After careful checking and reviewing put it into use as translation memory in translation applications (Lokalize for example supports this). Additionally, in my team we now carefully check any previous and new translations and when we sure that file is clearly ok, we add it to translation memory. It not only gives consistency of terminology, but it also provides fast way to translate strings already used in old translations. And even if there is no 100% match, it can at least give you hint how it should look like. For websites, open-tran.eu is quite ok for quick checking how others use terms. Also I suggest to check eurotermbank.com too (which has official terminology in lot of languages). Anyway, translate terminology is hard thing to do and it's a subject what we as a team spend most of our time on. Cheers, Peteris. 2009/12/27 Eleanor Chen cheny...@gmail.com: Hi, all! During the translation process, I find that tranlation of terms vaies from person to person. So I am wondering if we can write a glossary for each language. Cheers, Eleanor -- The world never lacks miracles. -- ubuntu-translators mailing list ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators -- mortigi tempo Pēteris Krišjānis -- ubuntu-translators mailing list ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
Re: Solang or Shotwell vs. F-Spot for Lucid
The Ubuntu Developers clearly have no understanding of this sector of technology and the IT industry and that sector being digital/photographic imaging. And if they did, they would ditch F-Spot and replace it with a suitable and real image management package. First of all, I think you are misunderstanding reason of F-spot existence. It came as Novell/Ximian guys went crazy with photographing everything (digital cams went cheap) and they wanted good way to manage and organize photos. It is for common people, not definitely for pros. Think Google Picasa as example. It won't be Apperture or Lightroom for Linux if you meant that. It won't be your pro postproduction tool for your photos either. Said that, I can agree that F-spot is not the best example how such application should/could be, but for some time it was best open source candidate in this field. Now, there are several alternatives developed, so this might change. I like Eye Of Gnome and Gthumb, they both are very powerful apps, but they still miss a boat, at least in my imagination. As a user I have accepted F-S existence in Ubuntu default because it was better than nothing. But with alternatives on the rise (like Shotwell mentioned in this thread), I am ready to vote for them to replace F-S. There are alternatives out there that have been mentioned 100 times already (which I'm not going to mention again). The developers seem to either have their hands full with other projects or are walking around with curtains over their eyes. That's harsh judgment. Unfortunately, all alternatives are not simply ready to replace F-S right now (for example, Shotwell have interface and stability issues, but that can be improved). Ubuntu developers usually doesn't develop full blown apps like F-S, but they code support tools, installation managers, etc and do packaging stuff. To do app like F-S requires quite a resources. I personally vote with code and translations. I will test Shotwell and report bugs for devs to deal with so it can be at least be installable from Universe in Lucid. So if you want F-Spot to be replaced with better alternative, I suggest to jump on improving alternatives too. Cheers, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bug #71870 - won't fix???
2009/12/26 paul Hartman 276...@gmail.com: I ran into a problem with my log files growing really huge. I went to launch pad to file a bug about it and found that it had already been filed. https://bugs.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sysklogd/+bug/71870 Under status it is listed as won't fix. Why would this be? This is really basic :) Won't fix usually doesn't mean we don't care and we won't fix it. Usually it means one of this - this will be fixed in other way, wrong bug subject, new version comes with this fix already, etc. This time I think log size is nothing to do with package itself. Usually it means that someone else - user or some sort of system should follow that root partition doesn't run out of space. Cheers, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: cancel the 9.10 release... it is not ready
2009/11/9 Natanael Olaiz nol...@gmail.com: El 10/26/2009 12:28 PM, Mohammed Bassit escribió: [...] I really like to persuade people to use ubuntu. But as long as it looks unready it will strengthen their opinion, that linux is only for nerds. Pleas learn your lesson from the debian community and release a new version only if its ready. You are free to use Debian ! After being migrated from Jaunty to Karmic in three machines (one at work, one mine, and one of a friend), specially seeing that all that works in Jaunty (wireless, ethernet, sound!) stop working in Karmic in my end-user friend machine (I replaced her Windows Vista to Kubuntu, and since Jaunty she was happy and I was proud of that), I seriously considering that option. In this moment I think Debian releases are more user friendly that the for human beings latest distribution. I don't buy that ethernet would have stopped working in Karmic. Sound is more believable, but wireless can be made to work too. Can you be more specific what was issues with wireless and ethernet? Cheers, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Another end-user view of showstoppers etc
As it is kinda issue I have always raised, I think biggest problem is inconsistent hardware support. Not poor, but inconsistent. Hardware section is where most regressions shows their ugly heads. But this require bigger, more coordinated effort between distros and kernel developers. It is also bad that if you check hardware which worked before, and it doesn't work for example in Karmic, you have really small changes that it will work. Unfortunately kernel is slow and hardware check at least for selected general devices should be done on regular basis. Cheers, Peter. 2009/10/29 Alex Cockell alcock...@eclipse.co.uk: Hi folks, First of all - I am your putative end-user. I bought my Thinkpad R61i from Linux Emporium with standard 8.04 Desktop preinstalled (off Canonical's repos - not a downstream version like Mint or Dell's own), and only use software out of Canonical's official repos. I'm also going to be VERY nervous when it comes to a major version upgrade, to the point where I might end up buying a new laptop if replacing the OS didn't go swimmingly. In fact, during a phone conversation with LE, they generally recommend clean reinstalls for major OS upgrades. It's therefore obvious that I'm an LTS-LTS user, and would be too scared to step away from that - although some laptops in LE's range have had to have the most recent regular release put on them as earlier versions wouldn't start or notice all the hardware. Ubuntu is becoming more known by the mainstream - we end-users just want machines that *work*. Might some slight changes into how certain enhancements are introduced be an idea? For example - is new hardware support regularly SRU'd back into the current LTS release, after decent QA? Or is it the case that if there was hardware that was newer than the release level (eg if I bought a new lappie and managed to get a restricted level of functionality with Hardy..) I would have to wait a year for a new component to start working? But it's scary to see showstoppers (or what we users would see as showstoppers) going into a Gold release, rather than spinning a revised RC. The last thing Canonical needs is for Karmic to be its KDE 4.0, considering all the bad press that caused. Maybe the idea of the 6-month releases being advertised as major development milestones is one to consider. All I am saying is please don't let Lucid break my machine when I come to upgrade to it around July next year... Just thoughts from one of your user community. Alex Cockell -- Alex Cockell Reading, Berks, UK alcock...@eclipse.co.uk -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- mortigi tempo Pēteris Krišjānis -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu-devel-discuss Digest, Vol 35, Issue 54
2009/10/26 George Farris farr...@cc.mala.bc.ca: On Mon, 2009-10-26 at 14:16 -0500, solaris manzur wrote: 1. Re: cancel the 9.10 release... it is not ready (Markus Hitter) I agree we should cancel it and deliver 9.12 in a week or so.. it is better because it is the time and we still have bugs in kernel, when changing icon set they are not well applied, ISO files are not well mounted, some icons are lost from main menu which is actually a bug since canonical just wanted to take icons off context menus and many many more... I also agree. There are some major high level functions such as ISO files that really need to be working well. For example I can't burn two copies of an ISO in a row, it doesn't work. Totem doesn't always play a custom DVD, whereas VLC and Mplayer work fine, maybe because there is no menu on it, not sure. Services has gone from System-Administration which after being there for a few years is not good at best. Icons in Apps and Places but not System. Empathy not being able to accept a connection until one turns off notifications. IMHO poor colours in GDM. Evolution displays a red circle with a slash through it for delete. The rest of the world knows a trash can icon. All in all it just looks a little unpolished at the moment and the press will probably pick up on it. Now having said all this I want to give my heart felt thanks and recognition to all the people that have worked hard to get Karmic to where it is today. It really is awesome, just needs to be left in the oven a little while longer. George, I suggest you to report all these bugs and follow them religiously and bug developers so they fix them. Next release is LTS and we should get it in best shape as much as we can. In a while, yes, Karmic has it's share of bugs, but it looks like promising road to 10.04. Let's keep this spirit high :) Cheers, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Compiz zoom scary, enabled by default in Karmic RC
Interesting is that you hit this only in Karmic, it was enabled already in Jaunty. I partly agree that it could be a usability issue (I was seriously confused first time I hit this accidentally). Maybe some tip while zooming (like 'use Windows key and and mouse scroll to zoom out' or whatever) could help, because it is actually good feature when used knowingly. Cheers, Peter. 2009/10/25 Joe Zimmerman joe.zimmerman...@gmail.com: Hi all, (First time posting to this list, so I apologize if this isn't the right place for such comments.) I just recently installed Karmic RC, and happened to inadvertently press Super+Button2 (this is not as crazy as it seems, since Button2 on my laptop is right below the space bar). This made compiz decide to zoom in extremely, and I couldn't figure out how to zoom back out again; eventually I just gave up and logged out (i.e., restarted X); it was only later, after some googling, that I discovered Super+mousewheel. While this was only a minor annoyance for me, I could easily see a newbie doing the same thing and being extremely put-off by the result. Would it be possible to disable this particular shortcut by default? (Perhaps instead, a whole class of such shortcuts could be activated as an option under Appearance or some such.) -Joe -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Domain Server
2009/10/24 Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com: Adding intuitive, obvious, easy GUI configuration tools seems to be keeping step with the overall Ubuntu philosophy. The CLI will always be there for those who want it. Every computer user does not mean Professionals only. Exactly my point. Server administration is not something that every computer user is competent enough to do, even if Microsoft has a server product that is marketed at every computer user. Fluke has a multimeter that is marketed at any garage monkey, that does not mean that just anybody can diagnose ignition problems on a 2007 Mustang GT. And you thing that simple file sharing server based on SMB are comparable to Mustang GT? I know there's notion that users are 'lusers' and they shouldn't admin anything. But you know, they simply don't care about your POV, because they want to share their files between computers in their home network! Cheers, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Preview for ubiquity-ubuntu-slideshow
In my experience, I commit a few emendation from this *edge* translations.LP, translations are dropped out by strange behavior. What do you mean by dropped out by strange behavior? Haven't seen any problems so far. Cheers, Peteris. -- ubuntu-translators mailing list ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
Re: Ubuntu Domain Server
I would like to second these thoughts. Also, even for super admin, while managing a lot of boxes command line can get very dull and depressive (I *know* how to do samba stuff in command line, but that's not *why* I am using Linux). Lot of people aren't admins, and they never will be, but they would like to have small box for file sharing and stuff. Why we shall block their wish? Yes, we need GUI - GTK and web based. That wouldn't be a problem. How to manage all configs and keep ease of use from command line - that's real challenge. Who will code this? As example how I would like to see server management for Ubuntu in gui, see OS X ServerAdmin. Cheers, Peteris. 2009/10/20 Ryan Dwyer ryandwy...@gmail.com: I agree that all networks should be managed by an experienced administrator, but unfortunately a lot of them aren't. We can't change that. Many businesses just want something that works and is easy to manage, even if there are issues such as no backups. The target audience is the general public, and the general public isn't going to know how to configure servers using a CLI. They want something simple that gets the job done, and they're who we need to cater for. The GUI isn't what sells the product but it plays a key part. What sells the product is the fact that it's easy to use plus the other benefits I wrote about which Windows cannot/does not provide (images, auditing, centralised management of all installed software). Linux usage in my town is absolutely minimal. In my town you can enrol in a course for Windows but not Linux. Our town's computer callout team are skilled in Windows only. They set up Windows networks because it's easy. No amount of improving packages and marketing will make these people switch to a CLI environment. No amount of marketing will make regular people switch to Linux on their home desktop. Regular people don't even know what an operating system is. You need to throw it in their face, make them experience it, and the workplace is the best way to do this. They use it at work, then they say I want what they have and it goes from there. -Ryan On Tue, Oct 20, 2009 at 7:56 PM, Michael Zoet michael.z...@zoet.de wrote: Hi everyone, What are your thoughts on having a server product that competes with Windows Server? Something which has a GUI, is very easy to manage and works best with Ubuntu workstations. Such topics pop up every now and then on various Ubuntu mailinglists. I think it is a big mistake to believe server administration is easy when you have a GUI. I have seen a lot of small companies networks where they used Windows and had no admin because everything is so easy... Most of them even had no working backup... In my opinion most companies need admins with knowledge, not another GUI people can misconfigure their networks. ... I believe targeting this market is the key to having Ubuntu take over the desktop. Businesses will use Ubuntu servers and workstations if there are great benefits over Windows equivalents. This results in everyday employees experiencing Ubuntu at work, which leads to Ubuntu being used at home. Ubuntu is already installed in various companies, institution and at home. Why do you think the market share will increase if there is a server GUI? I think Ubuntu should improve the software that is already there and do information marketing on how advanced Ubuntu is. And that it works great in most situations. As Desktop and server, at home and in companies. By the way: there are already a lot of GUIs for various admin tasks. You only need to install them. ... Please reply with your thoughts. I will never understand why a server GUI would improve anything? If you are (also) in Windows system administration you know that a GUI has it's limitations. And even good Windows admins know how to write Windows scripts for automation and need to read a lot of documentation. Knowledge is one of the most important things for a system administrator. Doing things on the command line in Ubuntu gives you the chance to get this knowledge. But that's just my IMHO. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- mortigi tempo Pēteris Krišjānis -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Pulse audio
Switching outputs on the fly (I was sceptical, but when I started to use USB headphones it is no way back), when I switch USB ports from one side of laptop to another, output is just switched and it just works. With Karmic, volume per application is starting to make sense. And I really hope Empathy and Skype use this feature extensively. Of course sound mixing working without any command line woodoo is also a win. Cheers, Peter. 2009/10/12 Lukas Hejtmanek xhejt...@ics.muni.cz: On Sat, Oct 10, 2009 at 10:16:39PM +0300, Peteris Krisjanis wrote: As for a topic - I have criticized PulseAudio as being very bloating edge and therefore not suitable for default desktop. However, again, devs have answered criticism with better code, inegration and bug fixes. Yes, there are issues, and inclusion of it felt very early and sure did lot of damage on Ubuntu presence. However, I start to feel that it was worth it, because in 2.28 PA starts to show it's true colors and so far I really like what I see. not offending, just curious, what are the things you like on PA? -- Lukáš Hejtmánek -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Pulse audio
2009/10/11 Vincenzo Ciancia cian...@di.unipi.it: Il 10/10/2009 21:16, Peteris Krisjanis ha scritto: Sorry, I can't agree more either. You don't even offer your reasoning why there is no strong reasons. For me, integrity, visual style, etc. makes it much better and welcome in Ubuntu desktop than Pidgin. And it has been a class example why we do evaluate apps and why they are given second chance if they improve as Empathy did. I am pointing out that empathy at the moment is widely broken, and none of the feature it promises are there. I don't think you can install ubuntu on a fresh computer and be sure voice calls with empathy will work at all. I don't think you can really use empathy for IRC. I don't think empathy will imports accounts from pidgin in a reliable way. How do I know these things, is because I tried it. When it'll be ready, it will be a pleasure to use it. I am not saying distributors should resist to change. Really? IRC works, I used Empathy to connect to freenode for last two weeks. Sure, there are rough edges, but it is very usable without big effort. About calls - I have done them in the past (using Empathy from PPA about half a year ago) and they worked (problems where if you use different input than default (USB headset for example), PA switched back to default input all the time.). I haven't tried now though, but I really doubt that situation generally is worse than before :) Sorry, I simply don't see it as wildely broken. It has bugs as any new software, but it moves in right direction. Cheers, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: on the install ubiquity slideshow still reads ubuntu software STORE which name has being changed to ubuntu software CENTER
It is already fixed in code and translation template also is updated. So it will appear propably next time when installer will be rebuild. Cheers, Peter. 2009/10/6 solaris manzur sl.sola...@gmail.com: it needs to be fixed -- -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Ubuntu Advanced?
2009/8/25 Jan-Michael Heller j...@mail.hansis-braindump.de: Hi there, is singed up this mailinglist, because i thought of having an Ubuntu-flavor for corporate use. I experienced that ubuntu in its form now (8.04~9.04) is a bit too automatic to handle well and leave customers long-time unsupported. I know for some people out there, the fact that sometime anything automates wrong in ubuntu, gives money to them, because they get payed for support. But aren't we all interested in a system, that we can hand-out to anybody and it will just run and be easy to maintain? Full automation is one aspect, that makes it easy for homeusers. But in a corporate environment a teached person (should) handle with the problems the users have. You are talking about LTS here :) Dapper LTS was very strongly supported and was very very polished. Hardy is still the same but I am using bloatin edge versions, so I can't surerly say that it is rock stable. However, again, it was very polished and robust last time I used it. What, if there would be a long-time-supported or what ever called flavour of ubuntu, that is easy to maintain, meaning: No automated driverbuilds at bootup and no changings in versions, of course Those drivebuilds happens only after you upgrade. Hardy had nice bunch of upgrades for nvidia and stuff, but now I think it is rather calm. LTS doesn't change versions of software unless you're using backports repository (which is disabled by default). only security updates You can do it already by yourself. Just disable all other repositories excluding security ones - via /etc/apt/sources.list or System = Administration = Software Sources. great robustnes: - linux - just proofen hardware-detection at bootup, no underlying Just ensure boxes have up-to-date hwdata package. Otherway, I think it is already there. skripts, that generate configurationfiles, for everything they see and keep it forever - better tested (community is there to help, some unixers would like easy-to-maintain systems for ther families too) But it is already tested a lot and it is easy to maintain for families, there are lot of stories about grandma using Ubuntu floating around. - A centralized configuration that is under /etc/ and not too often changed by scripts, only if that is explicitly necessary. It is already done, as a basic principle of Debian and therefore Ubuntu too. And a bit more tidied-up configuration-tools that really use /etc/ like the admin does. Yes, I agree, some nice guis for some uncovered system settings would be nice. Ubuntu was so nice and tidy, because of its debian-flavour in the beginnig and now its too much affected by many skript-features, that make your life hard. For example? As far as I know, you still can turn off all scripts and run the tidy ship. Maybe someone knows, how Canonical thinks about corporate use of Ubuntu, but good unix-systems are known for their robustness, and this is something, that ubuntu is still missing a bit (make it just a little bit more like Knoppix) What exactly it miss? So far as I have seen there is no streamlined practice/doc/knowhow places about it, but Ubuntu is used in corps. Anyway, it is question to ask Canonical directly, but they offer lot of choices even for individual users now - begining with phone/email support and ending with serious problem solving. And even so - there are at least bunch of companies with very compentent specialists who dig Ubuntu/Debian as they work with such systems every day in their daily work. And I am not an enemy of scripts, but they should be used with care. I hope someone understands me. regards Jan If you about serious about implementing Ubuntu in Enterprise and have concrete qestions about implementation - I suggest contact Canonical about it, because it will require serious expertise. Cheers, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: libsane for Fujitsu ADF scanner
2009/8/9 Martin G. Miller mgmil...@optonline.net: Hello all; I recently obtained a Fujitsu fi-6130 ADF scanner knowing it is not supported in Ubuntu 9.04. I do know it is supported pretty well in 9.10 as I have tried using it with the alpha 3 release. One of the key features in an ADF scanner is the ability to auto detect the page length when the document runs through the scanner. The upcoming version of libsane 1.0.20 lacks this feature in the fujitsu backend. I have been in contact with the developer of the fujitsu sane backend and have paid him to make this important feature functional. The work is done and I have tested it in both the 32 And 64 bit versions of 9.10 Alpha 3, and it works perfectly. The developer has uploaded the changes to the git repository for sane and it is in version libsane-fujitsu.so.1.0.21. Is there any way to get this updated fujitsu backend included in the upcoming Karmic release? Failing that, I have to compile the driver and overwrite the libsane-fujitsu.so.1.0.20 version with the libsane-fujitsu.so.1.0.21. I can do this, but for the average user, it would be much easier to have the improved driver in there in the first place. Would it make any sense to add this to libsane-extras? Once sane releases its 1.0.21 version, the new driver will be in it, but I was hoping to see it sooner if possible. Regards; Marty I think the best way for you and rest of scanner users is to make sure that 1.0.21 makes into Karmic. Feature Freeze is in end of the August and I don't think minor version upgrade could be a subject of Feature Definition Freeze (but it is still my thoughts, so ask release guys). First of all - is 1.0.21 libsane is released? If yes, contact libsane packager for Ubuntu and release team with plea to package 1.0.21 for Karmic and include it. Then follow how it plays out after that. Cheers, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Policy of upstream translations
Some time ago before Interpid or Jaunty release there was policy annoucement about using upstream translations primary. Is still in force? Where I can read details about it? Already thanks for any help, Peter. -- ubuntu-translators mailing list ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
[Bug 154506] Re: Ubuntu LiveCD Install icon confusing
mac_v: but that's the case! It should be simple, and it should be understandable to everyone who tries to get it. I would like to second 'Install Ubuntu on this computer'. -- Ubuntu LiveCD Install icon confusing https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/154506 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: about empathy as the default IM application
I think it is quite clear that so called 'regressions' about Empathy is more like 'We are so used to Pidgin, let it be there'. Yes, there are bugs and they should be fixed. And I am quite sure they will be. Empathy team seems to me are aiming for more concrete desktop experience and have done their homework well. Also being solely as GNOME application helps it. While Pidgin has to find middle ground for various OSes. It is not good or bad, they just have different aims. First of all - not having popup windows - it is a must. It fits so perfectly with Ubuntu new notification system. You get message, first system notifies you, then you can click and get it. It is annoying to have new window - and I don't care if its under or over popup - opened just because someone ping me. It is Skype default behaviour and it actually makes sense. Also I really don't see how Empathy style IM app can implement IRC right. Empathy guys know this and there are plans to make seperate IRC application using Telepathy as framework. More or less I think Empathy is really way to go. Just my two user cents, Peter. 2009/6/17 Martin Pitt martin.p...@ubuntu.com: Danny Piccirillo [2009-06-17 2:22 -0400]: I'm noticing that in the latest daily build of Ubuntu, Pidgin in still included, who makes the actual change and when will that happen? I went through the MIRs last week, and changed the seeds now. It should happen on tomorrow's daily CDs. Martin -- Martin Pitt | http://www.piware.de Ubuntu Developer (www.ubuntu.com) | Debian Developer (www.debian.org) -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: about empathy as the default IM application
What I meant that Empathy, maybe not complete now, but it is the way to go, it fits more in scheme of things for Ubuntu and GNOME. So it felt to me that some of arguments presented in this thread were more about keeping Pidgin, not about problems of Empathy which sure must be addressed before final release of Karmic. I didn't addressed your particular post, though, just 'feeling' of this thread. Cheers, Peter. 2009/6/17 Andrew Sayers andrew-ubuntu-de...@pileofstuff.org: Peteris Krisjanis wrote: I think it is quite clear that so called 'regressions' about Empathy is more like 'We are so used to Pidgin, let it be there'. Yes, there are bugs and they should be fixed. And I am quite sure they will be. If you're saying that the complaint is about a specific bug in Empathy, or about the interests of current Ubuntu users such as myself, or about nobody ever learning a new interface, then I'm not explaining myself properly. Could you point to exactly what I said that gave that impression? I'd be glad to clarify anything that came across wrongly. - Andrew -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- mortigi tempo Pēteris Krišjānis -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: about empathy as the default IM application
Hi Dan, About halfway through this reply, a compromise occurred to me: get migration-assistant to install Pidgin if it's detected. If that works, it would get rid of many of the issues I've been complaining about, at least for migraters that plan to dual boot. This post covers some underlying issues, as well as problems that might still apply to people that (e.g.) get Ubuntu with a new PC. I like this idea. This could be not only limited to Pidgin, but other software, like Xchat, for example. Go ahead, create blueprint for this. Cheers, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: What's wrong with Ubuntu's policy?
Actually, it is not disappointing, it's just Dell as OEM shows us a way where we should be going to. Yes, we need to change release policy. We really need LTS every two years (and lot of small development releases between them), AND we need to overlook 'we don't release new software, just updates' policy. People already use gizillions of PPA reps and backport packages to get what they need. I know, people who love bloatin edge like me would be slightly disappointed because it would mean no more shiny, regular releases with newest stuff. But we need to acknowledge that we have outgrown our geeek roots and Ubuntu is not only for us anymore. So I actually support Dell decision. LTS must and should be aim we are going after and it must be hard stable and basic functionality working without a glitch. Just my two euro cents, Peter. 2009/5/21 Markus Hitter m...@jump-ing.de: Hello all, today it came to my attention Dell plans to do two things: a) Stick with Ubuntu 8.04 in favour of a more recent release for new machines. b) Fork the package repository to get updates out to their customers. http://www.betanews.com/article/Dell-Most-Linux-users-dont-really- need-the-latest-version/1242843704 In my opinion, this is disappointing. Very disappointing. What is wrong with Ubuntu's release/fix/backport strategy for such a thing to happen? Markus - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - Dipl. Ing. Markus Hitter http://www.jump-ing.de/ -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: gnome-scan
2009/4/27 Lars Wirzenius l...@ubuntu.com: su, 2009-04-26 kello 21:41 -0500, solaris manzur kirjoitti: i agree about replacing xsane by gnome-scan Are we talking about flegita? (There is no gnome-scan package in jaunty, and I can't find a command by that name.) flegita is frontend for gnome-scan, yes. However, it is very old version of it, afaik. Newest version can be found on author's PPA https://edge.launchpad.net/~bersace/+archive/ppa Flegita doesn't find my scanner, which is attached to another computer, and shared across the network with the net backend of SANE. gnome-scan doesn't support net backend (yet, probably). I think it would be welcome to provide patches to do that :) Please report a bug for missing functionality. -- mortigi tempo Pēteris Krišjānis -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: gnome-scan
Of these three, gscan2pdf would seem to wins hands down both for usability and usefulness, from my point of view. For example, flegita doesn't seem to have an obvious way to preview the scanned pages, before they're saved to disk. 0.7 of gnome-scan plans to have this. Cheers, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: replacing xsane by gnome-scan
Yes, it is right time to replace xsane with gnome-scan and get some order in Scanning business on Ubuntu/Gnome. As far as I know, Étienne Bersac has started work on 0.7 which was/is planned to become part of GNOME 2.28. However, it should be asked to him if could achieve stability before 9.10 feature freeze. He propably would like to have some help too. Cheers, Peter. 2009/4/26 Nicolò Chieffo nicolo.chie...@gmail.com: I'm also intersted to replace xsane. Yesterday I needed to scan a paper and I could't find out how to zoom on a portion of text without loosing resolution! -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: pulseaudio volume differs from alsa volume
Yes, I had run into similar bug when new style gnome volume control was available in Ubuntu Jaunty betas (for USB headset). After that they reverted to old style mixer. It is clearly Pulse Audio bug of course. If need you need help with reporting it, ping me at GT or write mail. Cheers, Peteris. 2009/4/25 Nicolò Chieffo nicolo.chie...@gmail.com: I've found a really strange problem in alsa and pulseaudio with my intel H.D.A. chip (on a clean Jaunty install) I opened alsamixer in a terminal, and gnome-volume-control (set the view to playback: HDA intel STAC92xx). now, watching both at the same time, I tried to change the alsa volume, and I found this really strange thing: there is no 1:1 proportion in the 2 volumes. In fact, alsa 36% is pulseaudio 0% This is quite bad! since the volume is mute at 36%!!! does this happen to you? do I need to file a bug to alsa or pulseaudio? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- mortigi tempo Pēteris Krišjānis -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Large files under ubuntu do not appear to work
scsi0 : 3ware 9000 Storage Controller 3w-9xxx: scsi0: Found a 3ware 9000 Storage Controller at 0xd014, IRQ: 16. 3w-9xxx: scsi0: Firmware FE9X 2.04.00.005, BIOS BE9X 2.03.01.047, Ports: 8. Vendor: 3ware Model: Logical Disk 00 Rev: 1.00 Type: Direct-Access ANSI SCSI revision: 00 Well, I have identical problem with 3ware storage controller, and it set caps something to 1.6 TB before I got the same output about very big device. I resolved this problem with creating two raids with 1.2 TB each. Obviously, it is a very interesting bug and would rock if someone would fix it. Cheers, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0% signal strength icon
2009/3/22 Vincenzo Ciancia cian...@di.unipi.it: Yep. We're very pleased that there are OEMs selling computers with Ubuntu pre-installed, so that millions more people are using Free Software. And we're happy to accept feedback from those OEMs on problems their customers have with Ubuntu, even if some of that feedback is private. We're not going to make unrealistic demands that they do all their product development in public. We couldn't do that even if we wanted to, precisely because Ubuntu is Free Software. In my opinion we should rather point to build a distributed usability study. Some of us teach ubuntu to ordinary persons; when there are doubts about usability, such as the new behaviour of update-notifier, a set of fixed-answer questions should be prepared (perhaps starting from a discussion on this list). All of us will be able to try this on our... patients :) and report how they react, together with some data on their age, profession, computer science exposure and so on. Then we will not have to choose between observations such as my grandma would never understand the new behaviour of the apache restart mechanism - not that she uses linux - or even the PC, though AND closed-source studies. What I expect for example is that for the new update notifier behaviour we would get a lot of users just getting used to close the window that pops up in the middle of their work and ignore the upgrades. But I might be proven wrong, so that would be a good question to ask. It is very good idea and I dream myself about something like that for very long time, but there are bunch of problems - first of all, how to make OEMs to trust this? (as they will get result and they will have to work with it) Yes, you can create strong methodology, be very careful about selecting data and drawing concludions, but still...how they will now that result isn't affected by some thirty party, interested in them to fail? How you would ease their paranoia? :) I see two parts of this which needs solving: 1) Create study platform for testing such stuff like gui changes 2) Create trust to this study platform within interested players - commercial OEMs, non-commercials, universies; Propably will need stearing from Cannonical, but I think it can be done. Even more - I think it is time to get this right. Freedesktop.org was right way to star this (as on collaboration and standardizing things), but we need to get to second level. Cheers, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0% signal strength icon
By the way, as innocent bystander of all this disscussion, I wanted to check out that icon which was replacement of new NM zero signal strength icon (as I understood, design team overlook decision of using it and provided better alternative), but I really can't find it. It doesn't appear in upgrades, nor in daily live cd. Where I can take a look at it? Or I was wrong about whole better alternative thing? :) Thanks everyone for trying to get Ubuntu better. Let's hope our discusion about different icons for different connections will bring some fruit and bug reports in a future. Cheers, Peter. 2009/3/21 (``-_-´´) -- BUGabundo ubu...@bugabundo.net: Olá Matthew e a todos. On Friday 20 March 2009 11:29:56 Matthew Paul Thomas wrote: Thanks for your efforts. I hope you can understand I can, of course. I'm not a one side person... I listen to all sides if possible. Thanks for your efforts. -- Hi, I'm BUGabundo, and I am Ubuntu (whyubuntu.com) (``-_-´´) http://LinuxNoDEI.BUGabundo.net Linux user #443786 GPG key 1024D/A1784EBB http://BUGabundo.net -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- mortigi tempo Pēteris Krišjānis -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0% signal strength icon
The challenge that we're facing is: - we have at least 3 types of network connections that should be represented by the appropriate icon: 1. Wireless 2. Wired 3. 3G Throw general modem connection in a bowl, because it would be needed for bluetooth and simple dialups (which I hope will be supported somewhere in the future by N-M). Just my two euro cents, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Replacing network-offline (old version 2xmonitor) with NM wlan 0% signal strength icon
Throw general modem connection in a bowl, because it would be needed for bluetooth Bluetooth has already got its own icon and connection manager. This need improving, too, but as a separate track. I was talking about Bluebooth modems. Yes, there are even two connection managers for managing bluez (gnome-bluetooth and bluez-admin), but they just for general bluetooth connections. Anyway, generic modem version would be a must. I know everyone[1] uses 3G today, but I still wait for N-M to do something amazing and provide simple interface for serial/winmodems. It shouldn't be hard to do, should it :) Cheers, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
[Bug 335854] Re: Broken package : revelation depends: python ( 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed
Really huge thanks for everyone involved to fix this! :) -- Broken package : revelation depends: python ( 2.6) but 2.6.1-0ubuntu1 is to be installed https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/335854 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: Strawman: remove vendor-specific configuration tools from default install
Well, I personally also would like to see a more streamlined one tool, one framework for syncing. And there are promising candidates, but so far gnome-pilot have lot of functionality to offer comparing to others. Usually such discussions ends with nothing, but if you Mac care about having common tools and framework for sync you should start a blueprint for that - or try to improve existing ones. Cheers, Peter. 2009/3/6 Oliver Grawert o...@ubuntu.com: hi, Am Donnerstag, den 05.03.2009, 16:02 -0500 schrieb Mackenzie Morgan: Ubuntu by default includes a Palm Pilot sync tool and an HP printer configuration tool.I'm wondering why we need vendor-specific tools like these in the default install. even though they are vendor specific, they still are opensource and usually provide features the other free tools dont for a specific HW. while i agree that its better to make that functionallity work in the more general tools one should also not forget that we support the effort of these vendors to make and distribute opensource software by including their tools ... the proper way imho would be to talk to the OSS departments of the vendors and convince them to contribute their code to the respective projects and not just exclude them from having their tools distributed, so they see the community honors their effort ... ciao oli -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: fast-user-switch-applet
Personally I also strongly second to have icons in applet menu, because yes, turning computer off, putting into sleep, etc. are motor actions for body and eyes and it is very hard for me to stop every time I open that menu and read actual labels - and I am geek who pays attention to all little details. I vote for icons. I think Mark has been wrong this time :) but hey, we can forgive that. Is there bug report on this? Cheers, Peter. 2009/3/6 Nicolò Chieffo nicolo.chie...@gmail.com: Have a look at the fedora gdm-user-switch-applet and tell me which is the most elegant usable -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: fast-user-switch-applet
There are two bug reports for this: 1) For removing icons in Intrepid beta cycle https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fast-user-switch-applet/+bug/301309 2) For overal usability of FUSA in Jaunty https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fast-user-switch-applet/+bug/291846 I suggest to use second bug report, as it has more futher aims. Cheers, Peter. 2009/3/6 Nicolò Chieffo nicolo.chie...@gmail.com: No the icons were removed. Initially there were icons, but mark (or someone else) decided to remove them -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: fast-user-switch-applet
By the way, there is Mark's blog entry about this as reference on why such decision was made: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/233 Cheers, Peter. 2009/3/6 Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com: There are two bug reports for this: 1) For removing icons in Intrepid beta cycle https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fast-user-switch-applet/+bug/301309 2) For overal usability of FUSA in Jaunty https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fast-user-switch-applet/+bug/291846 I suggest to use second bug report, as it has more futher aims. Cheers, Peter. 2009/3/6 Nicolò Chieffo nicolo.chie...@gmail.com: No the icons were removed. Initially there were icons, but mark (or someone else) decided to remove them -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: fast-user-switch-applet
Ohhh boy, third post in a row, should be in spammer blacklist soon... :) Anyway, I found exact argument Mark made about removal of icons: We decided not to put icons into the menu for each of the different statuses. Our design ethic is to aim for cleaner, less cluttered layouts with fewer icons and better choice of text. A couple of people have said that the menu looks “sparse” or “bare” but I think it sets the right direction and we’ll be continuing with this approach as we touch other parts of the system. I think there is a problem. Yes, such attitude is favorable and welcome in a places where important decisions are done and clean, understandable text is much more important than icons. However, people restart/hibernate/logout/shutdown their computers much more frequently and it is very common action (and let's not talk about laptop/netbook ballpark here). In result, it is very welcome to *have* visual guidelines. It helps for small screens, it helps when you are in hurry, etc. As far as I understood, code wise it is very easy to return icons. So maybe some of Canonical guys can land here and discuss whole thing. Cheers, Peter. 2009/3/6 Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com: By the way, there is Mark's blog entry about this as reference on why such decision was made: http://www.markshuttleworth.com/archives/233 Cheers, Peter. 2009/3/6 Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com: There are two bug reports for this: 1) For removing icons in Intrepid beta cycle https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fast-user-switch-applet/+bug/301309 2) For overal usability of FUSA in Jaunty https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/fast-user-switch-applet/+bug/291846 I suggest to use second bug report, as it has more futher aims. Cheers, Peter. 2009/3/6 Nicolò Chieffo nicolo.chie...@gmail.com: No the icons were removed. Initially there were icons, but mark (or someone else) decided to remove them -- mortigi tempo Pēteris Krišjānis -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: fast-user-switch-applet
2009/3/6 Nicolò Chieffo nicolo.chie...@gmail.com: quote from the blog: A couple of people have said that the menu looks “sparse” or “bare” but I think it sets the right direction and we’ll be continuing with this approach as we touch other parts of the system. OMG: he wants to remove icons from everywere Don't use OMG and !!! on any devel list, it looks just like it sounds - childish :) Well, not everywhere. It is all about balance - if I understood it right - and I think they don't have special vendetta against icons :). For now, there are overuse of icons in some places in Ubuntu, yes. But I agree they made wrong decision with FUSA. Ok, back to work, cheers, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
[Bug 273560] Re: usb audio output has annoying clicks when keyboard/mice/touchpad is used and Desktop Effects turned on
This is finally fixed in Jaunty, 25.02.2009 live cd. I can playback and record with compiz enabled without any hearable glitch. ** Changed in: linux (Ubuntu) Status: New = Fix Released -- usb audio output has annoying clicks when keyboard/mice/touchpad is used and Desktop Effects turned on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/273560 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 272477] Re: yelp crashed with SIGSEGV in strlen()
I got this one in Jaunty with up to date updates 25.02.2009. Is this fix coming? -- yelp crashed with SIGSEGV in strlen() https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/272477 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 298424] Re: sl-modem-daemon init.d script looks for information about ALSA modem in wrong place
** Attachment added: Working version of sl-modem-daemon init.d script http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23011539/sl-modem-daemon.working.init -- sl-modem-daemon init.d script looks for information about ALSA modem in wrong place https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/298424 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 298424] Re: sl-modem-daemon init.d script looks for information about ALSA modem in wrong place
For third time, it shall be be perfect :) Ok, here I attach patch which I got from diffing my current init.d script with 2.9.11-20080817-3. I also put right indentation (4 spaces, as original does). However, I also attach my working init.d script in a case if there are again problem with this patch. ** Attachment added: Patch for debian/sl-modem-daemon.init, 2.9.11-20080817-3 http://launchpadlibrarian.net/23011488/sl-modem-daemon.init.patch -- sl-modem-daemon init.d script looks for information about ALSA modem in wrong place https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/298424 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 298424] Re: sl-modem-daemon init.d script looks for information about ALSA modem in wrong place
Hi Martin, There is requested new patch. Tried to implement all your suggestions, and in the way rewrote almost all alsaload. For me it now looks more compact and makes more sense. Tested it, works for both ALSA and slamr scenarios (can't test slmodemd modem:x scenario though). Bear with me, as it is my first patch for Bash script :) ** Attachment added: sl-modem-daemon.init.patch http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22867159/sl-modem-daemon.init.patch -- sl-modem-daemon init.d script looks for information about ALSA modem in wrong place https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/298424 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 295158] Re: Jockey doesn't find Si3054 Modem (winmodem trough ALSA)
Created patch for jockey/data/handlers/sl_modem.py. It checks aplay -l (after /proc/asound/cards check is failed to detect modem) for Modem string. If it finds it, it returns True as it should. ** Attachment added: sl_modem.py.patch http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22735753/sl_modem.py.patch -- Jockey doesn't find Si3054 Modem (winmodem trough ALSA) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/295158 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 295158] Re: Jockey doesn't find Si3054 Modem (winmodem trough ALSA)
Again, corrected patch. Geany did a nasty trick with tabs. This is correct patch so sl_modem.py doesn't get borked. ** Attachment added: sl_modem.py.patch http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22748724/sl_modem.py.patch -- Jockey doesn't find Si3054 Modem (winmodem trough ALSA) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/295158 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 298424] Re: sl-modem-daemon init.d script looks for information about ALSA modem in wrong place
I have to correct my statement in this bug report :) Actually, script works right, but only when modem is as major device. It doesn't look for modems as subdevices of cards. For that, /proc/asound/cards won't show you any information, but aplay -l will. Therefore I added additional check in alsaload method in init.d script for situation when there is no modem string in /proc/asound/cards, but there is such string in aplay -l output. This check then takes row from output, extracts card and subdevice numbers, and create ALSA device address, e.t. hw:0,6 and passes it to slmodemd as needed. Patch is for debian/sl-modem-daemon.init file. ** Attachment added: sl-modem-daemon.init.patch http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22682883/sl-modem-daemon.init.patch -- sl-modem-daemon init.d script looks for information about ALSA modem in wrong place https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/298424 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 298424] Re: sl-modem-daemon init.d script looks for information about ALSA modem in wrong place
Updated patch, fixed one bug, which created wrong device for slmodemd to run. This works as it should. ** Attachment added: sl-modem-daemon.init.patch http://launchpadlibrarian.net/22697702/sl-modem-daemon.init.patch -- sl-modem-daemon init.d script looks for information about ALSA modem in wrong place https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/298424 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: Fake login screens
2009/2/14 Vincenzo Ciancia cian...@di.unipi.it: On 14/02/2009 Felipe Figueiredo wrote: As others said, more than once in this thread, the change is reversible. There will be a package to install so you don't have to edit your xorg.conf. I will keep myself informed but I expected that ubuntu-devel-discuss was also a place to discuss the ubuntu development, involving high-impact changes. My mistake, so I will keep myself informed. However, it seems to me that nobody is getting the point about fake login screens: if I am an *user* of somebody else's network, how can I protect myself from another *user* faking a login screen, used as the only running X application, and stealing my password? You have evidence that such scenario could happen or even is happened? Or you just speculate? Anything can be faked in this world, specially on computers. Under some windows versions, I can use ctrl+alt+delete. I bet the mac has something similar, Nope, it doesn't (as far as I know, and I have worked with OS X as sysadmin for five years). And Windows Ctrl+Alt+Delete have absolutely different meaning than anti-faking measure. and Xorg traditionally had ctrl+alt+backspace (even though, it also kills the session as a nice side effect). Now, you have to consider that even an experienced system administrator may not notice the change when he will install next ubuntu on the client machines of a computing lab, or even worse when upgrading to it. Fancy an unexperienced system administrator as there are many. Well, unexperienced system administrator would allow box to contain trojan to get your password anyway. Believe me, faking login screens is not a way someone would steal your password, unless there is no other way. I will surely write my own fake gdm as an exercise just in case I become an user of such an admin :) Because of statistics, you know, if I carry a bomb there can't be another bomb on my plane. Strawman argument. If the solution is currently, ubuntu jaunty is vulnerable to this problem, let's just admit it and make it public in the release notes at least. So that people will know and avoid leaving the default configuration on clients. No, Jaunty simply won't have C-A-B feature enabled by default. Simple as that. Release notes doesn't have such speculation as OMG, visual interface have changed, someone could use it to steal information from people. Personally I would love that the power button returned to gdm, and that gdm created a new X session (like for the guest login use case) for every login, without disappearing, and occupying a fixed tty (the one the power button would return to). In that case, gdm could also offer a pre-loaded and not-swappable emergency shell that administrator may access. However, this *really* needs a blueprint so for now is there any other solution? Yes, this *really* need blueprint just for a reason - it is how world-shattering changes are introduced into Ubuntu. Disabling C-A-B by default was blueprint for two years. This is how decision making happens. Don't get me wrong - I know that changing features is painful process of some of us, but as far as I have experienced with Ubuntu, it is always pays back in long term. Introduction of compiz broken a lot of setups, but Hardy released with nice desktop effects tested for some time. NetworkManager 0.7 was introduced as main network configuration tool. Sure, I was annoyed, even angry. But I took time to test it and understand it and now I admit that it is a future. There is a blueprint already for dealing with C-A-B without disabling it and I hope it will find a way into Jaunty+1. And that is how system should work. Cheers, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Fwd: Is disabling ctrl-alt-backspace really such a good idea?
Yes, exactly. Just don't be surprised if someone says something happens that shouldn't. No. What surprises me is when people are fine with those bugs as long as there is a quick way to kill the X server that is enabled by default. Because they want to do the work, not report bugs - usually. Just my two cents, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
[Bug 319147] [NEW] [jaunty] Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG works only after rmmod and modprobe
Public bug reported: Laptop HP Compaq nw8440 with Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG. In Hardy, it worked properly - I enabled it trough special key, wireless appeared and vola, it worked. But now: 1) Insert Ubuntu Jaunty Alpha 3 LiveCD 2) Open Applications = Accesories = Terminal 3) sudo bash 4) rmmod iwl3945 5) modprobe iwl3945 6) Vola, it works like charm I saw this issue also in Intrepid. ** Affects: linux-meta (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- [jaunty] Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG works only after rmmod and modprobe https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/319147 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 319147] Re: [jaunty] Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG works only after rmmod and modprobe
** Attachment added: uname-a.log http://launchpadlibrarian.net/21467163/uname-a.log -- [jaunty] Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG works only after rmmod and modprobe https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/319147 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 319147] Re: [jaunty] Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG works only after rmmod and modprobe
** Attachment added: version.log http://launchpadlibrarian.net/21467171/version.log -- [jaunty] Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG works only after rmmod and modprobe https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/319147 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 319147] Re: [jaunty] Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG works only after rmmod and modprobe
** Attachment added: dmesg.log http://launchpadlibrarian.net/21467172/dmesg.log -- [jaunty] Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG works only after rmmod and modprobe https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/319147 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 319147] Re: [jaunty] Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG works only after rmmod and modprobe
** Attachment added: lspci-vnvn.log http://launchpadlibrarian.net/21467177/lspci-vnvn.log -- [jaunty] Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG works only after rmmod and modprobe https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/319147 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 319147] Re: [jaunty] Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG works only after rmmod and modprobe
Also forgot to mention that if I didn't rmmod and modprobe commands, then Ubuntu would claim that there is no Wireless Extentions on wlan0 and I couldn't activate anything or scan anything trough WiFi card. -- [jaunty] Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG works only after rmmod and modprobe https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/319147 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 319147] Re: [jaunty] Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG works only after rmmod and modprobe
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 193970 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/193970 Very likely so. Strange that I missed that bug. -- [jaunty] Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG works only after rmmod and modprobe https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/319147 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 319147] Re: [jaunty] Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG works only after rmmod and modprobe
*** This bug is a duplicate of bug 193970 *** https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/193970 ** This bug has been marked a duplicate of bug 193970 iwl3945 | iwl4965: Wireless can't be activated after disabling kill switch -- [jaunty] Intel Corporation PRO/Wireless 3945ABG works only after rmmod and modprobe https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/319147 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 193970] Re: iwl3945 | iwl4965: Wireless can't be activated after disabling kill switch
Michal Pěnka, it would be better to suggest them to use Hardy :) This time LTS have been really stable if we talk about wifi support. Anyway, this bug is still in Jaunty Alpha 3 Live CD. I will try to install it, but if it isn't fixed, milestone should be moved to alpha 3 or 4. -- iwl3945 | iwl4965: Wireless can't be activated after disabling kill switch https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/193970 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user
With respect of the cost of pressed CDs vs DVDs for shipit, I don't know how much they cost. However, some newspapers in the UK give away DVDs with their newspapers, of course they may be advertising subsidized to offset the cost. Cost of printing DVD is equal of CDs (as far as I know), so I think the right way to solve this is to offer to buy or order for free (like ship it) DVD instead of CD (but leaving CD also as a choice). Also I would suggest to have monthly or three-monthly CDs with updates for main (which could be commercial offering) so users who just want to up to date their systems can get it, throw it in, read some legal yada yada yada, click agree, enter their password (if they're admins) and vola, their system get's updated. More or less harsh lesson of this thread is that lot of people still have dialups or even don't have stable Internet connection at all - or it is very costly (there are countries were they still pay about local traffic too, in Mb/$n). It would rock that Ubuntu/Cannonical could offer them some help - even for fee. Just my two euro cents, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: You lost a new Ubuntu user
2008/12/29 Dotan Cohen dotanco...@gmail.com: 2008/12/29 Peteris Krisjanis pec...@gmail.com: Cost of printing DVD is equal of CDs (as far as I know), so I think the right way to solve this is to offer to buy or order for free (like ship it) DVD instead of CD (but leaving CD also as a choice). Also I would suggest to have monthly or three-monthly CDs with updates for main (which could be commercial offering) so users who just want to up to date their systems can get it, throw it in, read some legal yada yada yada, click agree, enter their password (if they're admins) and vola, their system get's updated. More or less harsh lesson of this thread is that lot of people still have dialups or even don't have stable Internet connection at all - or it is very costly (there are countries were they still pay about local traffic too, in Mb/$n). It would rock that Ubuntu/Cannonical could offer them some help - even for fee. Just my two euro cents, Peter. Lots of old computers have only CD drives, no DVD drive. That's bitten me at least three times, back when I was installing Fedora instead of Ubuntu for people, and the computer wouldn't read the disc! So this corner case would be that user: a) doesn't have DVD reader; b) doesn't have good Internet connection; So only solution to such scenario is multi disc installation, two disc with most important software from 'main' and third for translation stuff, for example. As far as I know it wouldn't require Earth shattering changes in code to allow this (Just have correct /etc/apt/sources.list and preloaded package list). Question is - do Ubuntu community has resources to help such users? Maybe someone has already started blueprint according to this problem? Anyway, I agree that there is lot of such users in the world and in long term Ubuntu and it's ecosystem would only benefit of having solution of installing/upgrading Ubuntu via offline means. Another my two cents, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
[Bug 162006] Re: SATA disk attached to HPT371N controler is very slow or don't work at all
If someone still listens to this bug - short resume of current situation: * Starting somewhere with Feisty Linux kernel started to remove old IDE drivers and replaced them with PATA drivers (nice way to introduce regressions, as it seems); * Alan Cox (re)wrote HighPoint group of drivers during that process, including shiny new one pata_hpt37x; * In result, new driver can't find hard disks connected to lot of controllers, web is full of such reports for some two years; * It feels like no one cares, because you should use better [tm] SATA controllers instead of this broken cruft (partly I agree); Returning to technical side of problem, with boring and extensive testing I have come to conclusion that problem is wrongly detected bus speed. New pata_hpt37x gives me 66Hz for my controller (details see in lspci output attached above), but Dapper, which has last working version of old IDE driver, indicates it uses 33Hz bus speed. As it's mentioned in this b.k.o bug report (http://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7703), controllers shouldn't really use 66 Hz bus speed if there is another controllers down the road on PCI bus. Something is broken within detection of bus speed. I will propably ping upstream (Alan Cox) myself, but if someone can help me with getting this fixed - you are welcome. -- SATA disk attached to HPT371N controler is very slow or don't work at all https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/162006 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 197946] Re: [hardy] 'Connection Information' is greyed out in pop-up menu when right clicking on Network Manager applet
FMartins, this problem you get in Hardy? Did you dist-upgrade or clean install? For me it is clear that bug is NetworkManager incompatibility with /etc/network/interfaces, because it happens when static interface is defined using /etc/network/interfaces settings. There is no such problem when you use NetworkManager Edit Connections Editor. So question is - how to treat it? It is wrong for NetworkManager not to show info about what is defined in /etc/network/interfaces? If yes, how to fix that? What Ubuntu devs plans for /etc/network/interfaces? It will be abandoned? Or NetworkManager will have proper integration with that? For me, it is not a issue, more like policy decision. -- [hardy] 'Connection Information' is greyed out in pop-up menu when right clicking on Network Manager applet https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/197946 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 295158] Re: Jockey doesn't find Si3054 Modem (winmodem trough ALSA)
Sure it should be fixed in sl-modem, but Jockey still needs to rise a flag and give common user to enable this modem easily :) -- Jockey doesn't find Si3054 Modem (winmodem trough ALSA) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/295158 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 298424] [NEW] sl-modem-daemon init.d script looks for information about ALSA modem in wrong place
Public bug reported: This is very similar to bug in Jockey (aka Hardware Drivers): https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/jockey/+bug/295158 Issue is that /etc/init.d/sl-modem-daemon detects if there is ALSA modem automatically. However, for some reason this is broken beginning with Hardy (or maybe even before that), at least for my card, because it looks for modem information in /proc/asound/cards. However, indication that my computer has ALSA modem you can find *only* doing aplay -l, which gives indication that subdevice is modem and it's ALSA address (in my case hw:0,6). my /proc/asound/cards is: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel HDA Intel at 0xf470 irq 16 and aplay -l is: List of PLAYBACK Hardware Devices card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 0: AD198x Analog [AD198x Analog] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 0: Intel [HDA Intel], device 6: Si3054 Modem [Si3054 Modem] Subdevices: 1/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 card 1: Headset [Logitech USB Headset], device 0: USB Audio [USB Audio] Subdevices: 0/1 Subdevice #0: subdevice #0 So please fix so sl-modem-daemon init.d script would look into aplay -l results, if it's available (alsa-utils package). It is installed by default for almost all Ubuntu and Debian distribution scenarios. ** Affects: sl-modem (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- sl-modem-daemon init.d script looks for information about ALSA modem in wrong place https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/298424 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 295158] Re: Jockey doesn't find Si3054 Modem (winmodem trough ALSA)
I reported bug about sl-modem-daemon init.d script here, see https://bugs.edge.launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/sl-modem/+bug/298424 -- Jockey doesn't find Si3054 Modem (winmodem trough ALSA) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/295158 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions
2008/11/15 (``-_-´´) -- Fernando [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Olá Stephan e a todos. On Thursday 13 November 2008 12:20:17 Stephan Hermann wrote: This task is not easy. There needs to be input from the users with the non-working hardware. Most likely, that this information can be gathered with some magic commands on CLI, which is also provided by a nice developer. I've seen this mention a few times, and if anyone looks at brainstorm, I bet its already there: Would it be of any interest having a tool (only on devel branches or the all time) that would gather the entire HW listing with FULL detail and upload it to some database? Some improved version of hwtest-gtk, mixed with hwinfo and sysinfo (sysinfo as a great user UI and could also teach/report to the user about supported HW). Maybe hook up hwtest-gtk to system 1st runs and kernel upgrades, and notify the user to run the tests, and send the report. To addition to this - what we need is user's field test team, something like virtual voluntary hardware test lab. Say, user registers available computers with their hardware profiles (No need to have Ubuntu on it, Live CD for testing and getting hardware details should be fine). It comes into some db on Launchpad/Cannonical, and say, there is Jaunty with new kernel, which has significant changes on such and such hardware. Checking db - for example, we have 2 users with such hardware. Create task list for testing (because it is clearly not enough to test WiFi with just WPA or WEP), users do tests, and report back. In fact, this *already* happens in bug reports, but let's make it more organized. Also this db could contain list of *known* hardware issues with bug reports and people who you can contact with to test issue (if they are available and agree to help, of course). It would also give huge oversight to Cannonical and community in which fronts there are issues. Say, wifi still have lot of issues, or sound cards what causes most of trouble. It would also give Cannonical availability to print nice Hardware issues page so users would know what to expect. When I upgrade to a new release, I always think (or is it knowing): Ok, for the next 4 hours I'll sit in front of this computer, and I expect something to break...because it's software made by people. If nothing breaks, then I'm really surprised and happy. But when something breaks, I already expected that. And when I find the cause for the breakage, I'll try to fix it, AND/OR file a bug report about that issue. Therefore, I don't upgrade my production machine without any real testing. But this won't help for everybody, I know. That's why I start testing in early development versions: so that stuff can be detected and users on a stable release dont find all those many bugs. I've already upgraded my laptop to Jaunty. With this I can keep up the development, and help fix stuff before release There are some issues with that too - for example, my Intel wifi card was broken by updates only two weeks before final release. I would even say that those last minute updates are most dangerous, because they get introduced so close to finish line that it is really hard task to get update for it in release. Ubuntu really needs wider release testing window, when any functional and hardware updates are strictly forbidden unless it is really needed. Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Very bad status of hardware (especially wifi) support in ubuntu, due to the too many accumulated regressions
On Sunday 09 November 2008 15:07, Vincenzo Ciancia wrote: ... network. Some of them work in a release, some of them in another. In the end, you never see your laptop just working in a single release. Oddly enough, for me, my Dell Latitude D430 laptop (not one of the ones that is pre-sold with Ubuntu) has 'just worked' in Gutsy, Hardy, and Intrepid. I don't doubt you've had problems, but it's not safe to over-generalize. What he propably meant more is that Ubuntu don't deliver fully on it's promises, and it is really hard and frustrating to people who like Ubuntu to do more promotional work because usually something breaks between releases. I see solution as feature and hardware spec, where supported stuff is provided as much as possible. It will be never 100% sure, of course, but at least some starting point. Good report when starting new development cycle on this (like bug list about hardware which doesn't work) would be good start. Just my two euro cents, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
[Bug 295158] Re: Jockey doesn't find Si3054 Modem (winmodem trough ALSA)
my /proc/asound/cards is: [EMAIL PROTECTED]:~$ cat /proc/asound/cards 0 [Intel ]: HDA-Intel - HDA Intel HDA Intel at 0xf470 irq 16 About /etc/default/sl-modem-daemon - yes, it is strange. By default, this file has such look: # NOTE: settings in /etc/defautls/slmodemd are used too # set this to 1 to never run the daemon from the init script # you can set it if you have an USB device, than the init script won't # be started at boot (but when the USB device is plugged on) DONTSTART=0 # This is the default configuration for the slmodem driver daemon # running on Debian systems. # # Edit device node and country code here ... # # possible country codes are: # # USA # GERMANY # BELGIUM # etc. # # use 'slmodemd --countrylist' to check out other countries # # #SLMODEMD_DEVICE=slamr0 #SLMODEMD_COUNTRY=GERMANY SLMODEMD_DEVICE=auto SLMODEMD_COUNTRY=USA # # Additional options for slmodemd, see slmodemd -h output for details. # Do NOT set country or device name here! OPTS= # force the start of the daemon even if old type modules seem to be # installed (set it to 1) FORCESTART=0 # set this to not see any hints of the init script on startup # BEQUIET=1 # set this to not create the /dev/modem symlink # NOSYMLINK=1 But to get card working I must provide device name just like this (skipping most of the part): SLMODEMD_DEVICE=hw:0,6 instead of SLMODEMD_DEVICE=auto I just checked /etc/init.d/sl-modem-daemon and your suspicions are confirmed, it greps same /proc/asound/cards. So it is bug in two places, init.d script for slmodemd and jockey, caused by something that has changed output in /proc/asound/cards. -- Jockey doesn't find Si3054 Modem (winmodem trough ALSA) https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/295158 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: where's 3G?
I could be wrong, but you should take a look into NetworkManager, which now handles all such devices. And, btw, support doesn't mean support out of box. Install proper packages and you are set. Cheers, Peter :) 2008/11/5 jude ui [EMAIL PROTECTED]: hi all! I've heard from your lastest relese announcement that ubuntu supports 3G... Where is the code for that? I've treid to find it on lanchpad...(however I really faild).. And how does ubuntu support 3G (this is probably a stupid question..)? is it drivers ,apps etc... And also - where is the java stack? How did you guys manage to get java working without actualy installing properity version of java? -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Question
If you would read all thread in UF, you would saw this: http://www.crapules.com/wordpress/2008/06/02/alienware-m15x-and-ubuntu/ So it can be fixed easily for Hardy. And I think Ubuntu 8.10 will have this fixed already, as it will have newest ALSA fixes. Cheers, Just my two euro cents, Peter. 2008/10/22 Marc DG [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hello! i have a my Alienware M15x i want install Ubuntu 8.10 ( because i am tire for Vista: virus :/ ) problem: it is possible? is compatible? work well with sound to? Hibernate ? i see in forum: Re: Alienware m15x anyone ? Some instability with ubuntu: - Hibernate seems crashing the computer - No sound with external speaker. Shame for the external speaker i'm using it a lot... And don't want to reinstall a fedora. Too Lazy!. Thank you for of your answer! Regard Marc Hitta någon att mysa med i höstrusket! MSN Dejting -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
[Bug 27014] Re: evolution bug, Summary and folder mismatch, even after a sync
There are two suggestions: 1. *anyone* who gets this bug on Intrepid- please report new bug, reproducible steps would be a obligatory, and put link/bug number in comments here so developers can check it out; 2. Please don't link such bugs on Intrepid as duplicates to this bug, put maybe into comments for further evaluation; -- evolution bug, Summary and folder mismatch, even after a sync https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/27014 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is a direct subscriber. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: bugs
Even, please report bug to Launchpad and then provide link here, so someone can check it out asap and start to work on it. Just a question about first bug - sound is crackly, but do you manage to get sound from Totem or Rhythmbox and cracking only comes over it? Or there is just clicks and nothing else. I also suggest you to check Volume Control (Right click on speaker icon in top right coner) and see volume levels for Master and PCM. Cheers, Mortigi tempo, Peter. 2008/10/9 Evan Billy [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Here are some bugs I have found in the kernel (if it helps) 1. my sound is crackly, when a sound is supposed to play it just plays crackles 2. the new kernel has some kind of booting problem or error on my computer; it displays what it is doing and I have to press enter multiple times to get it started. 3. The new network manager wont work for me. It worked when i upgraded, but now it will not recognize my Internet connection. -Evan -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
[Bug 288121] [NEW] Please import latest firefox upstream translations for Latvian language
Public bug reported: Hi there! http://wtf.lv/firefox-3.0.4pre.lv.langpack.xpi This is xpi package for Latvian (lv) language, which will get submitted for inclusion into Firefox 3.0.2 official release. Please upload it to Ubuntu system to be included into Intrepid Ibex. Thanks, Peter. ** Affects: language-pack-lv (Ubuntu) Importance: Undecided Status: New -- Please import latest firefox upstream translations for Latvian language https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/288121 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 288121] Re: Please import latest firefox upstream translations for Latvian language
This is uploaded to upstream already hour ago. -- Please import latest firefox upstream translations for Latvian language https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/288121 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
How to import translation from Firefox official po files into Ubuntu Launchpad
HI there! Anyone know steps needed to import official Firefox translation (done by me and my friends) into Ubuntu Launchpad? So far we tried to export po from Launchpad, then using Kbabel auto translate it using official po files as term dictionary, but there are lot of errors when trying to do that. Anyone has know-how how to deal with this? Already thanks for hints, Pēteris Krišjānis -- ubuntu-translators mailing list ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
Re: How to import translation from Firefox official po files into Ubuntu Launchpad
2008/10/22 Og Maciel [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Wed, Oct 22, 2008 at 8:41 AM, Peteris Krisjanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Ok, let me explain - I mean not auto translate, but more - find exact string 'a' and find a exact translation of it. No fuzzy translations, no partial translations. Just exact match :) So you are matching word 'foo' with the translation that was made somewhere else? Is that right? If so, I have another comment which I'll save for the time being. :) Ok, ok, I know complications of this :) I don't know what do you mean with official FIrefox translations team, but one guy from our team communicates with Mozilla about including our language as one of officially available for download. If that means that I am part of official Firefox translations team, then yes :) I thought that your locale was already part of Firefox and that the issue was just getting them into Rosetta. Now that I understand the situation, I would adivise that you do get your work uploaded into Firefox first, as it will trickle down to every other distribution that ships Firefox, avoiding having you guys do the work twice and, most important of all, making your work available to the entire world! :) Well, that's not helping. I am fully aware how it all works (doing damn translations for ~ 9 years). I want get Firefox 3.x translation into Intrepid. Deadline is tomorrow, so no way it will get trough Firefox official translation system and then uploaded into Launchpad. So, is there good way of doing this except exporting po, translating it and trying to import it again into Launchpad? cheers, Peter. -- ubuntu-translators mailing list ubuntu-translators@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-translators
[Bug 273560] Re: usb audio output has annoying clicks when keyboard/mice/touchpad is used and Desktop Effects turned on
Jrgns, what video card and driver for it you use? -- usb audio output has annoying clicks when keyboard/mice/touchpad is used and Desktop Effects turned on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/273560 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 273560] Re: usb audio output has annoying clicks when keyboard/mice/touchpad is used and Desktop Effects turned on
Sorry, missed Radeon in the end of comment :) So what driver you use for it? Fglrx or ati? Try 'lsmod | grep fglrx' in Applications Accesories Terminal and paste result here. -- usb audio output has annoying clicks when keyboard/mice/touchpad is used and Desktop Effects turned on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/273560 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: Ubuntu 8.10
2.6.27-5 connects automatically at startup where as 2.6.24-19 has to be started via connected to other wireless network. Nothing since 2.6.24-19 has worked. Am running on an Acer TM7720 What 'lspci' command in Terminal says about wireless card? P. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
[Bug 251211] Re: intrepid session dialog experience
As user I would suggest to take out button right top corner. All available options are under System and user switching is done using user applet. Seems to make sense for me. -- intrepid session dialog experience https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/251211 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 147500] Re: volume while using snd_usb_audio goes down to 40% when you change the volume
This irky behaviour is also in 8.10, but in smaller scale. On Hardy is almost impossible to set right volume, in Ibex you can at least try. But it still jumps up and down. -- volume while using snd_usb_audio goes down to 40% when you change the volume https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/147500 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
[Bug 273560] [NEW] usb audio output has annoying clicks when keyboard/mice/touchpad is used and Desktop Effects turned on
Public bug reported: Intrepid Ibex, up to date 23.09.2008 1. Plug in USB Headset 2. Launch Rhythmbox 3. Play your favorite song, very light, maye classic 4. Move cursor very fast 5. Hear lot of annoying clicks 6. Open Applications = Accesories = Gedit 7. Write text and hear click in phones everytime you press key Post Scriptum: this is only when Desktop Effects are turned on. When they are off, no cliks. That propably means problems with PCI latency stuff or ati video card. Video controller: ATI Technologies Inc M56P (Radeon Mobility X1600), using newest open source ati driver ** Affects: ubuntu Importance: Undecided Status: New -- usb audio output has annoying clicks when keyboard/mice/touchpad is used and Desktop Effects turned on https://bugs.launchpad.net/bugs/273560 You received this bug notification because you are a member of Ubuntu Bugs, which is subscribed to Ubuntu. -- ubuntu-bugs mailing list ubuntu-bugs@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-bugs
Re: use imdb-thumbnailer as movie thumbnailer
Hi everyone! I will probably will stand out but I personally think that random frame is matter of taste. For me, it is much better than very badly looking covers, which they are for 80% movies. Only rare movies have pleasant, nice covers (I can say that from my expierence as very active movie watcher/imdb browser). So I would not haste on this decision. Just my two cents, Peter. 2008/9/23 David Prieto [EMAIL PROTECTED]: Hi again, After that, one question of mine would be what happens when the internet connection goes away; does it fallback to Totem's thumbnailer, or do we get the ugly octet-stream icon? The creator of the software answered this: the fallback system is very flexible. It should work also with Xubuntu. It does something like this: cover=$(wget etc...) If there is no connection wget should fail and if it fails there is no cover, if there is no cover the fallback system is used. The fallback system checks first for gnome-video-thumbnailer, if it doesn't exit it tries totem-video-thumbnailer (xubuntu I think), if that one neither exist it checks for mplayer-video-thumb.sh So yes, it falls back to totem's thumbnailer. That aside, the author also asks one question and I would like to know your opinion: Do you want this to work for all videos by default? Right now it only works for the paths specified in the config file but I can change that, it should be very easy. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss -- mortigi tempo Pēteris Krišjānis -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA
Disclaimer: I'm not trademark lawyer, but do know people with some professional insight in this field. Linux is trademarked, yet I see no EULA for it. And it was one of reasons why Linux foundation almost lost trademark. When they tried to enforce it properly, they heard all the same cries, bashes and arguments. Deal with it - trademarks are here, are much older than Linux and free software, and they are incompatible with our way of thinking. Yeah, we could try to live without them, but this world is a nasty place and last thing I would like to see is some SCO-like company trademarking Linux and starting to request license it for using in distros. Trademarks can be free depending on how they're licensed. Actually no, trademarks are trademarks. They must be enforced and only way for owners to control them is agreements. Additional agreements to free software is big no no no matter how do you paint it. We are actually lucky that OpenOffice.org or other trademarked free software don't require this. In a way, the would have to. I already believe Firefox's no modifcations policy is already fairly bad, and now we need an EULA on top of being restricted on changing it? You are not restricted to change it - it's free software, after all. But when distributed as Firefox, it is coupled with trademarked brand name and artwork, which requires agreement to be used (see trademark enforcement above). Unfortunately, Ubuntu modifies Firefox a lot, therefore they shall have such agreement. Bah, if that's how they want to play ball, I recommend debranding it; as we already have abrowser as a debranded Firefox in the repo, I recommend simply changing the seed, and moving Firefox to multiverse. The same applies to Thunderbird, Sunbird, and Seamonkey. In fact, too much emotions in this issue won't be good. Ubuntu is about the choice - users should be possible not to be nagged with EULAs, but in same time, if they want to use FF, they should have most easiest way to do so. Cheers, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Firefox newly insists on showing an EULA
I don't really like #3 because while I recognize that Webkit is a *great* rendering engine, Firefox has a monopoly on extensions. Hrm, maybe there needs to be some mass attempt at migrating FF extensions to Epiphany. By the way, I thought the same, and then I decided to check out Epiphany - haven't done it for several years. And goes what - there is package in Hardy called epiphany-extensions, which contains lot of plugins, adblock included. Extentions isn't issue - if there will be huge Ubuntu market with Epiphany used as default, there will be most useful extensions ported over. It's not rocket science. Firefox is one of those big successful open source projects that we use to introduce people to the idea of open source and to get them used to what they'll be using on Linux before making the big switch. I think the list of F/OSS-for-Windows that's most recognized is Firefox, OpenOffice.org, GIMP, and Pidgin. Yes, I fully agree that Firefox is big brand. As I said previously, OEMs and individual computer builders will install it anyway (as rest of Java/Flash/codecs world), and those people who will install it individually could have option at install time or when system is installed, nice icon with Install Firefox in Applications = Internet. Anyway, Firefox long-held criticism in Ubuntu/GNOME enviroments has been integration issues. Firefox 3 has lot of improvements, but Epiphany still owns web browser for GNOME official title rightfully. Maybe it is time to stop hyping project which Linux port is actually big afterthough (no offense, but Windows *is* priority for Firefox devs) and start to help to improve our own. Just my two euro cents, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
Re: Bugs for NM 0.7
2008/9/7 Wouter Stomp [EMAIL PROTECTED]: On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 7:49 PM, Jordan Mantha [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Fri, Sep 5, 2008 at 9:24 AM, Peteris Krisjanis [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Btw, a slight offtopic from this message, but does it mean that there will be no network-admin from g-s-t in Ibex? Would be very sad if that happened. It won't be installed by default. However, it is still in the archive in the gnome-network-admin package. NM 0.7 seems to have gotten to the place where it has basically all the same features so having 2 tools to do the same thing becomes an issue. I was really against removing the g-s-t network admin tool, but after using and testing NM 0.7 in Intrepid for a while I think it'll be a good move for users. -Jordan Please replace this with something to configure the networkmanager system wide configuration. Networkmanager has had this ability for a while, and both fedora and opensuse support, but as far as I know Ubuntu doesn't. Btw, I haven't seen that system wide configuration on OpenSUSE and Fedora. I would like to see it in action. So far I am very nervous about ditching network-admin, because no matter how it was stuck in development, or it lacked features, it worked, it had over the distros feel and so far Network Manager has been let's repeat PulseAudio all over the place. There should be very good network-admin and NM integration or at least NM should heavily improve their configuration dialogs and menus. Otherwise I still suggest to leave network-admin and work on NM to improve it to get it finally worthy to ditch good old g-s-t tool for good. Just my two cents, Peter. -- Ubuntu-devel-discuss mailing list Ubuntu-devel-discuss@lists.ubuntu.com Modify settings or unsubscribe at: https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-devel-discuss
