Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation for 16.04

2015-10-21 Thread Kaj Ailomaa 
On Tue, Oct 20, 2015, at 07:05 PM, Set Hallstrom wrote:
> On 2015-10-20 12:25, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> 
> > You can just add a page at the wiki somewhere. It can always be redone
> > and renamed so it's all pretty safe.
> 
> I started this:
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UserGuide/Graphics/draftpage
> 
(...)

First, a short version:

We need a documentation lead who is responsible for organizing
documentation, but I'm not just going to name one as I have done before
- we need an official and transparent way of dealing with that, so I
will get back to that shortly (15.10 is soon out and we can begin
focusing on 16.04).

Long version (with thoughts on documentation as a whole):

I like the way you write, and my first impression of this was that it
would be a nice start on an education on computer graphics. And, it fits
well together with the idea of the user guide as it had been organized
(long ago, by me and Scott, I believe), in that it includes just about
everything you need in order to learn how to use the system for
multimedia production. So, in that respect, I'm very satisfied.

Though, my idea for the next LTS was to do something simple, like the
quick instruction you get when you buy a new product. Something like:
"here's the power button, here's where you do A, B and C, and, here's
where to look when something went wrong." Something which helps the user
but doesn't become too big of a project for the author. 
For audio the biggest problem is how to handle the jack audio system,
both in terms of usage and troubleshooting. For graphics and video (but
also audio), I suspect we are more dealing with installing drivers and
other nonfree stuff to get support for formats. Maybe also learning
which applications may be used for what - the more technical aspects of
just getting stuff to work, so we can actually get working.
So, yeah. I was thinking more in those terms, but I wasn't expecting to
get such a great response, so I'm moving my attention to another problem
instead, namely leadership and organization.

I haven't looked in the user guide for a long time, so I don't remember
what I or anyone else were thinking back then. Also, we've discussed
youtube videos, see here -
https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UbuntuStudio/YoutubeVideoFormat, which is a less
structured way of providing things like tutorials (each video can either
be something very specific, or very general - up to the author of the
video, works for wikis too, but not manuals or general user guides).
Putting all that together, there is one thing that becomes clear. There
is structure, but no content, basically. And restructuring would not
hurt anyone.
When I put out the call for someone to help with documentation, I was
actually loosely disregarding all of that, and I'm sure most others were
too, just out of not being aware of it for obvious reasons.

Since there seems to be some interest in this topic, I think it might be
best we have someone in charge of documentation, who can work
independently with organizing at least what is currently being discussed
in a couple of threads.

My first thought was to just improvise and just get someone be doc lead,
which is not a bad idea when there are so few people in the team. But,
perhaps it is best we do that in a structured and officially (yet
undocumented) way :). 
15.10 is almost out, so we may just as well begin preparing for next
release, and start by deciding who is responsible for what. We have
established a few lead positions over the years, though they haven't
always been populated. So, I will start discussions about that.
- A year ago, this would have been pointless, since there was pretty
much no one involved, but this time perhaps we can do things
differently.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation for 16.04

2015-10-21 Thread Set Hallstrom 
On 2015-10-20 12:22, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> I linked to the Ubuntu TroubleShootingGuide,
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/TroubleShooting .

Thanks for adding those links, i think you are right: it is essential to
have a consolidated troubleshooting. The link to troubleshooting
resources should probably be either in the header or the sidebar. Placed
within the guide, i would expect it to be specifically for
troubleshooting graphic applications, which in itself would be nice too.
I've been trying to think about what kind of common trouble arise while
working on graphics, but i guess i don't really have much trouble in
that workflow anymore... Maybe thread-digging in the forum could give an
overview of common problems when working with graphics?... The good
reflex would be to add an entry in
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/TroubleShooting
each time a support case has been solved.

Have a good day y'all!

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation for 16.04

2015-10-21 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Wed, 21 Oct 2015 09:22:26 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>The link to troubleshooting resources should probably be either in the
>header or the sidebar. 

That was my first thought too, but to make it noob-prove it's probably
better to add it as a chapter to each help.

>Placed within the guide, i would expect it to be specifically for
>troubleshooting graphic applications, which in itself would be nice
>too.

It's possible to link against a specific chapter.

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/TroubleShooting#Help.21_Qjackctl_is_not_able_to_shut_down_jack
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/TroubleShooting#I_can.27t_seem_to_get_sound_when_I_use_qjackctl

instead of

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/TroubleShooting

We also could make it vice versa and link from the trouble shooting
page to the trouble shooting chapters of the application help.

>The good reflex would be to add an entry in
>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/TroubleShooting each
>time a support case has been solved.

+1

At least such information should be collected and if it got enough
"hits" moved to troubleshooting FAQ.

Consider troubleshooting not only something that has to do with bugs or
misconfigured settings, but also with completely cluelessness on how
computerized tools work. Self-reliant learning and testing how such
tools work in their imagination might spark a war, damage the
International Space Station or worse. Humans have different levels of
abstract reasoning.

Qtractor

1. Why can't I hear sound from MIDI tracks? The sound card works, I can
hear audio tracks.

2. What is the difference between a MIDI and an audio track?

GIMP

1. I draw a background and now I draw on a layer. If I draw with real
watercolours on a background drawn on real paper, the new drawn colour
doesn't cover the background. Drawing with the GIMP brush the colour
does cover the background.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation for 16.04

2015-10-20 Thread Set Hallstrom 
On 2015-10-20 09:20, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:

> I would put the finished stuff in our user help wiki, from where we can
> then copy it to our website once it's finished and add it to our ISO
> somehow. There are barebones for a user guide on our help wiki, but you
> don't need to use that. It's a bit more extensive - we should just make
> sure to have something simple for starters.
> I'm thinking we focus less on desktop issues (reference instead to other
> user guides, like Xubuntu), and more on the multimedia particular
> subjects.
> 

I'll get started today. I wouldn't be of a great help on desktop issues
anyway.

Is it all good for me to create a drafts page somewhere in the wiki, or
should i write it localy and submit it you guys first?

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation for 16.04

2015-10-20 Thread Set Hallstrom 
On 2015-10-20 11:41, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> Where can I find this user Wiki?

https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio
The "documentation" link on http://ubuntustudio.org will take you there.
This could probably be optimized, it took me some time to find it aswell


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation for 16.04

2015-10-20 Thread Kaj Ailomaa 
On Tue, Oct 20, 2015, at 11:14 AM, Set Hallstrom wrote:
> On 2015-10-20 09:20, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> 
> > I would put the finished stuff in our user help wiki, from where we can
> > then copy it to our website once it's finished and add it to our ISO
> > somehow. There are barebones for a user guide on our help wiki, but you
> > don't need to use that. It's a bit more extensive - we should just make
> > sure to have something simple for starters.
> > I'm thinking we focus less on desktop issues (reference instead to other
> > user guides, like Xubuntu), and more on the multimedia particular
> > subjects.
> > 
> 
> I'll get started today. I wouldn't be of a great help on desktop issues
> anyway.
> 
> Is it all good for me to create a drafts page somewhere in the wiki, or
> should i write it localy and submit it you guys first?
> 

You can just add a page at the wiki somewhere. It can always be redone
and renamed so it's all pretty safe.
Also, makes it easier for people to contribute, all though the wiki
syntax might be hard for some people. If that is a problem, and many
would like to help, google docs may be a better place - I don't know.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation for 16.04

2015-10-20 Thread Set Hallstrom 
On 2015-10-20 12:25, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:

> You can just add a page at the wiki somewhere. It can always be redone
> and renamed so it's all pretty safe.
> Also, makes it easier for people to contribute, all though the wiki
> syntax might be hard for some people. If that is a problem, and many
> would like to help, google docs may be a better place - I don't know.

Cool! The further away from google, the happier robot i am. :) And since
the wiki-tool is there for us why not use it? This said, I have nothing
against copy pasting someones work from a google doc. Formatting
shouldn't be much of a problem. The craving part is to actually type the
content to be formatted. But that is probably just my opinion.

I'm getting started with graphics, simply because i reckon it's the
work-flow i am the most experienced with.

Have a great day y'all!

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation for 16.04

2015-10-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 12:52:39 +0200, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
>If anyone else would like to contribute to this, please do.

But consider to improve
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/TroubleShootingGuide
instead of editing
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/TroubleShooting
if the troubleshooting is relevant for all Ubuntu flavours.

The reason to do this is to avoid conflicting troubleshooting help, to
benefit from a large group of contributors and to contribute to all
Ubuntu flavours.

When contributing it's also useful to search the Ubuntu Wiki/help and
as the case may be to edit an existing Wiki/help and then to link to
this page.

As an example, the Wiki about the Ubuntu Releases listed the Ubuntu
flavours instead of providing a link to the Ubuntu flavours Wiki. This
list didn't contain a new Ubuntu flavour, while the Ubuntu flavours Wiki
was updated and included the new one. So it was better to remove this
list from the Releases Wiki and Link to the Flavour Wiki. This approach
makes a Wiki clearer and it more likely will be up-to-date.

Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation for 16.04

2015-10-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:14:31 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>On 2015-10-20 09:20, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
>
>> I would put the finished stuff in our user help wiki, from where we
>> can then copy it to our website once it's finished and add it to our
>> ISO somehow. There are barebones for a user guide on our help wiki,
>> but you don't need to use that. It's a bit more extensive - we
>> should just make sure to have something simple for starters.
>> I'm thinking we focus less on desktop issues (reference instead to
>> other user guides, like Xubuntu), and more on the multimedia
>> particular subjects.
>>   
>
>I'll get started today. I wouldn't be of a great help on desktop issues
>anyway.
>
>Is it all good for me to create a drafts page somewhere in the wiki, or
>should i write it localy and submit it you guys first?

Where can I find this user Wiki?

Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation for 16.04

2015-10-20 Thread Kaj Ailomaa 
On Tue, Oct 20, 2015, at 12:22 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
(...)
> Thank you,
> 
> I linked to the Ubuntu TroubleShootingGuide,
> https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/TroubleShooting .
> IMO it's more helpful to link to the Ubuntu TroubleShootingGuide and to
> edit this site, if the troubleshooting is not limited to Ubuntu Studio.
> 
> Since I'm short in time, I can't contribute now, but at least I now
> know were to go.
> 
> Regards,
> Ralf
> 
(...)

That the link to the troubleshooting page deserves a more prominent
place on the landing page. But, we can fix that later. For now, that is
probably the best place to add troubleshooting tips. We can reorganize
later, once we have some content.

If anyone else would like to contribute to this, please do.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation for 16.04

2015-10-20 Thread Kaj Ailomaa 
On Tue, Oct 20, 2015, at 10:28 AM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> Why isn't there an Ubuntu Studio _user_ Wiki everybody could log in by
> an Ubunbtu One account and contribute? A snapshot of such a Wiki could
> become a package.
> 

There is.

http://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation for 16.04

2015-10-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 11:48:12 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>On 2015-10-20 11:41, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>
>> Where can I find this user Wiki?  
>
>https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio
>The "documentation" link on http://ubuntustudio.org will take you
>there. This could probably be optimized, it took me some time to find
>it aswell

Thank you,

I linked to the Ubuntu TroubleShootingGuide,
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/TroubleShooting .
IMO it's more helpful to link to the Ubuntu TroubleShootingGuide and to
edit this site, if the troubleshooting is not limited to Ubuntu Studio.

Since I'm short in time, I can't contribute now, but at least I now
know were to go.

Regards,
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation for 16.04

2015-10-20 Thread Kaj Ailomaa 
On Tue, Oct 20, 2015, at 01:42 AM, Set Hallstrom wrote:
> On 2015-10-19 21:54, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> > I'm not really looking for input as much as finding someone who is
> > willing to do some writing.
> 
> I'd be interested in that. My spelling is far optimal, but my
> formulation is decent. So if someone would agree to proof read me, it
> could probably work out...
> 

I'd be happy to, of course. And, I'm sure you have a wealth of input
from this or the user mail list further down the road.

I would put the finished stuff in our user help wiki, from where we can
then copy it to our website once it's finished and add it to our ISO
somehow. There are barebones for a user guide on our help wiki, but you
don't need to use that. It's a bit more extensive - we should just make
sure to have something simple for starters.
I'm thinking we focus less on desktop issues (reference instead to other
user guides, like Xubuntu), and more on the multimedia particular
subjects.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation for 16.04

2015-10-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
Why isn't there an Ubuntu Studio _user_ Wiki everybody could log in by
an Ubunbtu One account and contribute? A snapshot of such a Wiki could
become a package.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation for 16.04

2015-10-20 Thread Set Hallstrom 
On 2015-10-20 19:51, Ralf Mardorf wrote:

> The page history provides all diffs.

Couldn't find it, (probably didn't look hard enough) and I didn't dare
to just assume it was available.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation for 16.04

2015-10-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 13:28:35 -0400, lukefro...@hushmail.com wrote:
>Google docs should be avoided simply due to Google's massive tracking

First we should collect the needed information including such websites.

To the Ubuntu Studio troubleshooting site I added this link:

https://www.linux.com/learn/tutorials/752708-linux-commands-for-troubleshooting-linux-graphical-apps-for-beginners

Ghostery found 10 trackers, but the site is easy to read and
performs good. It gives a lot of basic hints I had to reply to noob
questions a trillion times. If you and I have more time, then we could
add the same information in our own words to the Ubuntu Studio help. To
this link words I e.g. would add  $ grep EE /var/log/Xorg.0.log , IOW
rewriting not only is useful to get rid of the trackers. Anyway,
writing needs much time and collecting useful information does need
less time and is a starting point.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation for 16.04

2015-10-20 Thread Ralf Mardorf 
On Tue, 20 Oct 2015 19:05:17 +0200, Set Hallstrom wrote:
>I'll bump it up when i think its ready for proof reading, however, I
>keep a local copy, so feel free to add, edit and remove as you deem
>suitable.

The page history provides all diffs.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation for 16.04

2015-10-20 Thread lukefromdc 
Google docs should be avoided simply due to Google's massive tracking
and presumed sale of personal information to ad networks. When someone
I work with sends a link to a Google doc, I can't open it because it won't work
on Tor browser and I keep Google blocked in /etc/hosts to prevent them from
fingerprinting my browser or hardware. I don't trust anything but Torbrowser 
against Google. Tor Browser ignores /etc/hosts so this is a simple way to 
make a site Tor-only. Unfortunately things like commercial map sites and 
Google Docs don't work in Torbrowser.

On 10/20/2015 at 6:36 AM, "Set Hallstrom"  wrote:
>
>On 2015-10-20 12:25, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
>
>> You can just add a page at the wiki somewhere. It can always be 
>redone
>> and renamed so it's all pretty safe.
>> Also, makes it easier for people to contribute, all though the 
>wiki
>> syntax might be hard for some people. If that is a problem, and 
>many
>> would like to help, google docs may be a better place - I don't 
>know.
>
>Cool! The further away from google, the happier robot i am. :) And 
>since
>the wiki-tool is there for us why not use it? This said, I have 
>nothing
>against copy pasting someones work from a google doc. Formatting
>shouldn't be much of a problem. The craving part is to actually 
>type the
>content to be formatted. But that is probably just my opinion.
>
>I'm getting started with graphics, simply because i reckon it's the
>work-flow i am the most experienced with.
>
>Have a great day y'all!
>
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation for 16.04

2015-10-20 Thread Set Hallstrom 
On 2015-10-20 12:25, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:

> You can just add a page at the wiki somewhere. It can always be redone
> and renamed so it's all pretty safe.

I started this:
https://help.ubuntu.com/community/UbuntuStudio/UserGuide/Graphics/draftpage

I think its appropriate to have a decently superficial introduction to
graphics in general. Due to the various licensing of tutorials out
there, this would ideally be made up of external links, but then the
documentation becomes vulnerable to 404 errors. So i'm writing a short
introduction to the basic concepts myself, to back those eventual 404 up.

I'll bump it up when i think its ready for proof reading, however, I
keep a local copy, so feel free to add, edit and remove as you deem
suitable.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation for 16.04

2015-10-20 Thread Set Hallstrom 
On 2015-10-20 19:05, Set Hallstrom wrote:
> Due to the various licensing of tutorials out
> there, this would ideally be made up of external links, but then the
> documentation becomes vulnerable to 404 errors. So i'm writing a short
> introduction to the basic concepts myself, to back those eventual 404 up.

I didn't find any option to chose a license. However, if i have to
decide, my words are public domain. But i'm fine with whatever you guys
think is best.


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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation for 16.04

2015-10-19 Thread Devin 
On 10/19/2015 04:57 AM, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> Would anyone be interested in writing documentation for us?

Have you asked around in the US (end-user) IRC?

I am sure that they have lots of input.

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation for 16.04

2015-10-19 Thread WMID 
I have a idea, perhaps is possible ussing the package from deepin linux
user manual, to make a tutorial:

wget -c
http://packages.linuxdeepin.com/deepin/pool/main/d/deepin-user-manual/deepin-user-manual_1.0+git20131206100813~1a99425fff_all.deb



The steps are two:

1.- Replace (backup) default sources.list for the coming attached here

2.- Install the key

wget http://packages.linuxdeepin.com/deepin/project/deepin-keyring.gpg
gpg --import deepin-keyring.gpg
sudo gpg --export --armor 209088E7 | sudo apt-key add -


See this video that I made https://youtu.be/wnp5ScK74kY

*Bibliography*
ppa - Can i install Deepin Desktop Environment 2 in Ubuntu 14.04 LTS? - Ask
Ubuntu
http://askubuntu.com/questions/515302/can-i-install-deepin-desktop-environment-2-in-ubuntu-14-04-lts

Package Repository - deepin Wiki
http://wiki.deepin.org/index.php?title=Package_Repository


*Note:* I installed Linux repositories Deepin only to see "Deepin Store" to
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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation for 16.04

2015-10-19 Thread Kaj Ailomaa 
On Mon, Oct 19, 2015, at 01:50 PM, Devin wrote:
> On 10/19/2015 04:57 AM, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> > Would anyone be interested in writing documentation for us?
> 
> Have you asked around in the US (end-user) IRC?
> 
> I am sure that they have lots of input.
> 
> Devin
> 

I'm not really looking for input as much as finding someone who is
willing to do some writing. There's plenty of experience among people on
this list, though I'm sure not everyone fancies themselves authors -
which is not really what you need to be anyway.

It may be a few days work, and those are a few days that I myself would
like to put on something else, if possible. This is just one of many,
many things that we have talked about forever, but nothing much has come
out of it. There's also the youtube tutorial video thing, which we have
made some pre-work for, but same thing there - someone needs to start
making videos :).

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Re: [ubuntu-studio-devel] Documentation for 16.04

2015-10-19 Thread Set Hallstrom 
On 2015-10-19 21:54, Kaj Ailomaa wrote:
> I'm not really looking for input as much as finding someone who is
> willing to do some writing.

I'd be interested in that. My spelling is far optimal, but my
formulation is decent. So if someone would agree to proof read me, it
could probably work out...

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