Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
Well obviously Youtube, metacafe, dailymotion are some good places to start. On 1 February 2010 23:38, Craig Peden cpe...@cogigo.com wrote: Right, I think that someone needs to get down a list of places we can upload to. On 1 Feb 2010, at 21:53, Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 21:41:01 -, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed, that's what I think, the only cost would be putting the advert(s) together. Who actually wants to make this happen? Me -- Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On Sun, 2010-01-31 at 23:32 +, Alan Pope wrote: On 31 January 2010 23:13, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: IF we are going to make this video, ideally, it would be better to thin= k about actual content first. =20 I disagree. The very first thing is to look at what the goal is. Only once you know the goal, target audience, approach, method of delivery and so on can you begin to look at content. I'm personally of the opinion that now is not the time to create a TV advert, and that the money/time could be better spent on other things, but its not my place to tell people what to do. I agree completely that the first thing is to know the goal. We often get ahead of ourselves in the community, which is not necessarily a bad thing but we need to know what we want first before we can begin to plan how to deliver it. I disagree that it's not the time to advertise on TV. I've been championing the idea of a TV advert for Ubuntu for a long time but alongside another campaign of something like offering Ubuntu for sale in mainstream areas e.g. PC World (not some half-assed effort like Dell). The major problems Ubuntu face with adoption are obscurity and Microsoft having a stranglehold on the pre-install market. Both need to be attacked at once if any inroads are to be made, a TV advert on it's own may increase visibility but to what end? The audience it would target are casual computer users who are very unlikely to go and download an ISO and reload their computer off the strength of an ad. If they are then able to go to PC World and buy the 'cheap Mac' after being impressed with the stuff on the advert it has a lot more impact. Getting someone like DSG on-side is a must and Canonical need to do a bit of a deal with the devil with this key area. Regarding the advert content, it's a case of following Apple's lead with their cool iPhone ads. Show how the desktop is silky smooth with desktop effects, show how there's a built-in Office suite with full MS Office compatibility, show how it's immune to viruses and it's the most secure Operating System on the planet. Champion all of it's strengths without going in any way geeky (nothing about community driven development etc.) The strength of the software can stand on it's own without having to refer to traditional geekdom advantages. Regards, --=20 Darren Mansell=20 winmail.dat-- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
Okay, I've been in touch with the marketing team, and they've said that if we wanted to do this, we'd have to look at the costs of producing and marketing the advert, were there to be one. It was also suggested that we should consider not using ITV as the main medium for promoting, but instead use E4 or another cable channel, as it's cheaper. But of course, anther suggested getting commercial backing to fund it, but is that really viable.I think the only thing that's getting in the way here, is the funding of the advert ere we to get it on the air. I think an option we should consider is putting it on the internet; i.e; Youtube. I think it would get a lot more watches there, and would cost a heck less than airing it, and were it to be successful, perhaps we could create more. sort of like microsoft's effortshttp://www.youtube.com/user/WindowsVideos Sort of like what we have with the screencasts channel, too. But that's just my suggestion... Liam On 1 February 2010 10:15, darren.mans...@opengi.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 2010-01-31 at 23:32 +, Alan Pope wrote: On 31 January 2010 23:13, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: IF we are going to make this video, ideally, it would be better to thin= k about actual content first. =20 I disagree. The very first thing is to look at what the goal is. Only once you know the goal, target audience, approach, method of delivery and so on can you begin to look at content. I'm personally of the opinion that now is not the time to create a TV advert, and that the money/time could be better spent on other things, but its not my place to tell people what to do. I agree completely that the first thing is to know the goal. We often get ahead of ourselves in the community, which is not necessarily a bad thing but we need to know what we want first before we can begin to plan how to deliver it. I disagree that it's not the time to advertise on TV. I've been championing the idea of a TV advert for Ubuntu for a long time but alongside another campaign of something like offering Ubuntu for sale in mainstream areas e.g. PC World (not some half-assed effort like Dell). The major problems Ubuntu face with adoption are obscurity and Microsoft having a stranglehold on the pre-install market. Both need to be attacked at once if any inroads are to be made, a TV advert on it's own may increase visibility but to what end? The audience it would target are casual computer users who are very unlikely to go and download an ISO and reload their computer off the strength of an ad. If they are then able to go to PC World and buy the 'cheap Mac' after being impressed with the stuff on the advert it has a lot more impact. Getting someone like DSG on-side is a must and Canonical need to do a bit of a deal with the devil with this key area. Regarding the advert content, it's a case of following Apple's lead with their cool iPhone ads. Show how the desktop is silky smooth with desktop effects, show how there's a built-in Office suite with full MS Office compatibility, show how it's immune to viruses and it's the most secure Operating System on the planet. Champion all of it's strengths without going in any way geeky (nothing about community driven development etc.) The strength of the software can stand on it's own without having to refer to traditional geekdom advantages. Regards, --=20 Darren Mansell=20 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Before we try to get new users into Ubuntu, shouldn't we try to retain the people flicking in and out of Ubuntu now? There was discussion about supporting new users, with remote techy support. Can we catch those who post This is too hard, I'm going back to windows and try to retain more of them with a high-quality community support mechanism? Ubuntu hour might be something we can push, but other things as well, remote or phone support for example? Johnathon Liam Wilson wrote: Okay, I've been in touch with the marketing team, and they've said that if we wanted to do this, we'd have to look at the costs of producing and marketing the advert, were there to be one. It was also suggested that we should consider not using ITV as the main medium for promoting, but instead use E4 or another cable channel, as it's cheaper. But of course, anther suggested getting commercial backing to fund it, but is that really viable.I think the only thing that's getting in the way here, is the funding of the advert ere we to get it on the air. I think an option we should consider is putting it on the internet; i.e; Youtube. I think it would get a lot more watches there, and would cost a heck less than airing it, and were it to be successful, perhaps we could create more. sort of like microsoft's effortshttp://www.youtube.com/user/WindowsVideos Sort of like what we have with the screencasts channel, too. But that's just my suggestion... Liam On 1 February 2010 10:15, darren.mans...@opengi.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 2010-01-31 at 23:32 +, Alan Pope wrote: On 31 January 2010 23:13, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: IF we are going to make this video, ideally, it would be better to thin= k about actual content first. =20 I disagree. The very first thing is to look at what the goal is. Only once you know the goal, target audience, approach, method of delivery and so on can you begin to look at content. I'm personally of the opinion that now is not the time to create a TV advert, and that the money/time could be better spent on other things, but its not my place to tell people what to do. I agree completely that the first thing is to know the goal. We often get ahead of ourselves in the community, which is not necessarily a bad thing but we need to know what we want first before we can begin to plan how to deliver it. I disagree that it's not the time to advertise on TV. I've been championing the idea of a TV advert for Ubuntu for a long time but alongside another campaign of something like offering Ubuntu for sale in mainstream areas e.g. PC World (not some half-assed effort like Dell). The major problems Ubuntu face with adoption are obscurity and Microsoft having a stranglehold on the pre-install market. Both need to be attacked at once if any inroads are to be made, a TV advert on it's own may increase visibility but to what end? The audience it would target are casual computer users who are very unlikely to go and download an ISO and reload their computer off the strength of an ad. If they are then able to go to PC World and buy the 'cheap Mac' after being impressed with the stuff on the advert it has a lot more impact. Getting someone like DSG on-side is a must and Canonical need to do a bit of a deal with the devil with this key area. Regarding the advert content, it's a case of following Apple's lead with their cool iPhone ads. Show how the desktop is silky smooth with desktop effects, show how there's a built-in Office suite with full MS Office compatibility, show how it's immune to viruses and it's the most secure Operating System on the planet. Champion all of it's strengths without going in any way geeky (nothing about community driven development etc.) The strength of the software can stand on it's own without having to refer to traditional geekdom advantages. Regards, --=20 Darren Mansell=20 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAktmyVEACgkQ81bUwCB/xdjwwgCgsZ0I3VL58Hyz2mZppO57rxpv GIEAoJcVj3Ea5fJ0ORN4uzVyMJ447yrC =iWsr -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
Quoting Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com: Okay, I've been in touch with the marketing team, and they've said that if we wanted to do this, we'd have to look at the costs of producing and marketing the advert, were there to be one. It was also suggested that we should consider not using ITV as the main medium for promoting, but instead use E4 or another cable channel, as it's cheaper. Good idea, although E4 is more of a specialist channel aimed I guess at teens to 20's and possibly early 30's. I guess it would be possible to talor an advert to the mid teens to mid 20's, and then maybe look at an advert for say the older viewers who may watch More4 (this is a guess, but I'd say probably mid 40's upwards?). But of course, anther suggested getting commercial backing to fund it, but is that really viable.I think the only thing that's getting in the way here, is the funding of the advert ere we to get it on the air. Could Canonical possibly part fund the advert? Are there any other reasonable size IT companies who make money from Ubuntu out there? Maybe it could be worth contacting some of the hardware vendors, might be a long shot but how about Dell since they already sell machines with Ubuntu pre-installed? I think an option we should consider is putting it on the internet; i.e; Youtube. I think it would get a lot more watches there, and would cost a heck less than airing it, and were it to be successful, perhaps we could create more. sort of like microsoft's effortshttp://www.youtube.com/user/WindowsVideos Sort of like what we have with the screencasts channel, too. But that's just my suggestion... I think Youtube would be a good route to take, at least there isn't any broadcasting costs involved. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
- Original Message - From: Johnathon Tinsley kir...@kirrus.co.uk Before we try to get new users into Ubuntu, shouldn't we try to retain the people flicking in and out of Ubuntu now? There was discussion about supporting new users, with remote techy support. Can we catch those who post This is too hard, I'm going back to windows and try to retain more of them with a high-quality community support mechanism? I agree. I think the people who try Ubuntu (or Linux in general), have problems with it, and then rant about it to their friends have a lot of power in terms of persuading people to avoid Ubuntu. Advertising to new people will only work if a)those people haven't already heard bad things, and b)we can keep those people as users once they decide to download + install it. -- Lesley Harrison -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
Slightly off topic, but why not a guerilla marketting campaign On 1 February 2010 12:38, etali et...@myth-games.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Johnathon Tinsley kir...@kirrus.co.uk Before we try to get new users into Ubuntu, shouldn't we try to retain the people flicking in and out of Ubuntu now? There was discussion about supporting new users, with remote techy support. Can we catch those who post This is too hard, I'm going back to windows and try to retain more of them with a high-quality community support mechanism? I agree. I think the people who try Ubuntu (or Linux in general), have problems with it, and then rant about it to their friends have a lot of power in terms of persuading people to avoid Ubuntu. Advertising to new people will only work if a)those people haven't already heard bad things, and b)we can keep those people as users once they decide to download + install it. -- Lesley Harrison -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Regards Javad -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
Well, say instead of a TV advert, we contributed our ideas to the Viral Video's project or something similar to make a channel on youtube, or even both, if we're lucky, we could touch on subjects such as Ubuntu hour, and ways to help improve your first time experience with Ubuntu. And I guess we could at least try contacting canonical or dell, or some other company, to see what response we get. On 1 February 2010 12:38, etali et...@myth-games.com wrote: - Original Message - From: Johnathon Tinsley kir...@kirrus.co.uk Before we try to get new users into Ubuntu, shouldn't we try to retain the people flicking in and out of Ubuntu now? There was discussion about supporting new users, with remote techy support. Can we catch those who post This is too hard, I'm going back to windows and try to retain more of them with a high-quality community support mechanism? I agree. I think the people who try Ubuntu (or Linux in general), have problems with it, and then rant about it to their friends have a lot of power in terms of persuading people to avoid Ubuntu. Advertising to new people will only work if a)those people haven't already heard bad things, and b)we can keep those people as users once they decide to download + install it. -- Lesley Harrison -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On Mon, Feb 01, 2010 at 12:35:42AM +, Alan Pope wrote: I personally don't believe there is a need for a TV advert at all right now. I'd rather start from the opposite end and ask what the need of a TV advert is. What goal is to be achieved by putting Ubuntu on the telly? I don't think a TV advert itself will achieve much - we are unlikely to have enough money to air it to more than a small number of people and only a tiny minority of them would care at all even if it was the best advert ever. I do think it could work well as a news story though: community cares enough to put effort and money in an unusual direction. Get a bit of coverage on that, with links to/embedding of the video and it could gather some attention. Along the same lines as the firefox advert in the NY times, very little of the value from that was in people actually seeing it in the paper. Robert Robert McWilliamr...@allmail.net www.ormiret.com The buck doesn't even slow down here. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
If you could get the ad posted on all major video uploading sites, and other media sharing sites as well as blogs and such. You could easily have yourself a relatively cheap ad campaign. On 1 Feb 2010, at 12:22, Liam Wilson wrote: Okay, I've been in touch with the marketing team, and they've said that if we wanted to do this, we'd have to look at the costs of producing and marketing the advert, were there to be one. It was also suggested that we should consider not using ITV as the main medium for promoting, but instead use E4 or another cable channel, as it's cheaper. But of course, anther suggested getting commercial backing to fund it, but is that really viable.I think the only thing that's getting in the way here, is the funding of the advert ere we to get it on the air. I think an option we should consider is putting it on the internet; i.e; Youtube. I think it would get a lot more watches there, and would cost a heck less than airing it, and were it to be successful, perhaps we could create more. sort of like microsoft's efforts Sort of like what we have with the screencasts channel, too. But that's just my suggestion... Liam On 1 February 2010 10:15, darren.mans...@opengi.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 2010-01-31 at 23:32 +, Alan Pope wrote: On 31 January 2010 23:13, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: IF we are going to make this video, ideally, it would be better to thin= k about actual content first. =20 I disagree. The very first thing is to look at what the goal is. Only once you know the goal, target audience, approach, method of delivery and so on can you begin to look at content. I'm personally of the opinion that now is not the time to create a TV advert, and that the money/time could be better spent on other things, but its not my place to tell people what to do. I agree completely that the first thing is to know the goal. We often get ahead of ourselves in the community, which is not necessarily a bad thing but we need to know what we want first before we can begin to plan how to deliver it. I disagree that it's not the time to advertise on TV. I've been championing the idea of a TV advert for Ubuntu for a long time but alongside another campaign of something like offering Ubuntu for sale in mainstream areas e.g. PC World (not some half-assed effort like Dell). The major problems Ubuntu face with adoption are obscurity and Microsoft having a stranglehold on the pre-install market. Both need to be attacked at once if any inroads are to be made, a TV advert on it's own may increase visibility but to what end? The audience it would target are casual computer users who are very unlikely to go and download an ISO and reload their computer off the strength of an ad. If they are then able to go to PC World and buy the 'cheap Mac' after being impressed with the stuff on the advert it has a lot more impact. Getting someone like DSG on-side is a must and Canonical need to do a bit of a deal with the devil with this key area. Regarding the advert content, it's a case of following Apple's lead with their cool iPhone ads. Show how the desktop is silky smooth with desktop effects, show how there's a built-in Office suite with full MS Office compatibility, show how it's immune to viruses and it's the most secure Operating System on the planet. Champion all of it's strengths without going in any way geeky (nothing about community driven development etc.) The strength of the software can stand on it's own without having to refer to traditional geekdom advantages. Regards, --=20 Darren Mansell=20 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
Indeed, that's what I think, the only cost would be putting the advert(s) together. Who actually wants to make this happen? On 1 February 2010 17:09, Craig Peden cpe...@cogigo.com wrote: If you could get the ad posted on all major video uploading sites, and other media sharing sites as well as blogs and such. You could easily have yourself a relatively cheap ad campaign. On 1 Feb 2010, at 12:22, Liam Wilson wrote: Okay, I've been in touch with the marketing team, and they've said that if we wanted to do this, we'd have to look at the costs of producing and marketing the advert, were there to be one. It was also suggested that we should consider not using ITV as the main medium for promoting, but instead use E4 or another cable channel, as it's cheaper. But of course, anther suggested getting commercial backing to fund it, but is that really viable.I think the only thing that's getting in the way here, is the funding of the advert ere we to get it on the air. I think an option we should consider is putting it on the internet; i.e; Youtube. I think it would get a lot more watches there, and would cost a heck less than airing it, and were it to be successful, perhaps we could create more. sort of like microsoft's effortshttp://www.youtube.com/user/WindowsVideos Sort of like what we have with the screencasts channel, too. But that's just my suggestion... Liam On 1 February 2010 10:15, darren.mans...@opengi.co.uk wrote: On Sun, 2010-01-31 at 23:32 +, Alan Pope wrote: On 31 January 2010 23:13, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: IF we are going to make this video, ideally, it would be better to thin= k about actual content first. =20 I disagree. The very first thing is to look at what the goal is. Only once you know the goal, target audience, approach, method of delivery and so on can you begin to look at content. I'm personally of the opinion that now is not the time to create a TV advert, and that the money/time could be better spent on other things, but its not my place to tell people what to do. I agree completely that the first thing is to know the goal. We often get ahead of ourselves in the community, which is not necessarily a bad thing but we need to know what we want first before we can begin to plan how to deliver it. I disagree that it's not the time to advertise on TV. I've been championing the idea of a TV advert for Ubuntu for a long time but alongside another campaign of something like offering Ubuntu for sale in mainstream areas e.g. PC World (not some half-assed effort like Dell). The major problems Ubuntu face with adoption are obscurity and Microsoft having a stranglehold on the pre-install market. Both need to be attacked at once if any inroads are to be made, a TV advert on it's own may increase visibility but to what end? The audience it would target are casual computer users who are very unlikely to go and download an ISO and reload their computer off the strength of an ad. If they are then able to go to PC World and buy the 'cheap Mac' after being impressed with the stuff on the advert it has a lot more impact. Getting someone like DSG on-side is a must and Canonical need to do a bit of a deal with the devil with this key area. Regarding the advert content, it's a case of following Apple's lead with their cool iPhone ads. Show how the desktop is silky smooth with desktop effects, show how there's a built-in Office suite with full MS Office compatibility, show how it's immune to viruses and it's the most secure Operating System on the planet. Champion all of it's strengths without going in any way geeky (nothing about community driven development etc.) The strength of the software can stand on it's own without having to refer to traditional geekdom advantages. Regards, --=20 Darren Mansell=20 -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 21:41:01 -, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed, that's what I think, the only cost would be putting the advert(s) together. Who actually wants to make this happen? Me -- Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
Right, I think that someone needs to get down a list of places we can upload to. On 1 Feb 2010, at 21:53, Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Mon, 01 Feb 2010 21:41:01 -, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: Indeed, that's what I think, the only cost would be putting the advert(s) together. Who actually wants to make this happen? Me -- Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
[ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
A new thread to discus a possible TV advert -- Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
Using new thread, but replying to Liam: Negative reinforcement is much more effective than positive, ask any number of companies, or politicians/election campaigners. Do it right, so that you seem to have respect for your opponent, but make yourself seem better, and it's very popular (See: Mac vs. PC ads) On 31/01/2010 14:28, Steve wrote: A new thread to discus a possible TV advert -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:30:51 -, Michael Douglas meh...@mehall.co.cc wrote: Using new thread, but replying to Liam: Negative reinforcement is much more effective than positive, ask any number of companies, or politicians/election campaigners. Do it right, so that you seem to have respect for your opponent, but make yourself seem better, and it's very popular (See: Mac vs. PC ads) If done right. If done wrong you end up looking a right prat. -- Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
Yeah, I guess so. I suppose by putting other OS' down, we are in turn, giving Ubuntu a more positive image. To acheive this I guess we could use the aforementioned idea of someone bieng on hold and then somone getting an instant reply on the forums for free. On 31 January 2010 14:30, Michael Douglas meh...@mehall.co.cc wrote: Using new thread, but replying to Liam: Negative reinforcement is much more effective than positive, ask any number of companies, or politicians/election campaigners. Do it right, so that you seem to have respect for your opponent, but make yourself seem better, and it's very popular (See: Mac vs. PC ads) On 31/01/2010 14:28, Steve wrote: A new thread to discus a possible TV advert -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
BSoD look-a-like, followed by user calling support. Advert uses the user on hold to support throughout, but cutting to an Ubuntu user jumping online, forums, IRC, etc, fixing it quickly. Tagline: Ubuntu. Community at work. On 31/01/2010 14:38, Liam Wilson wrote: Yeah, I guess so. I suppose by putting other OS' down, we are in turn, giving Ubuntu a more positive image. To acheive this I guess we could use the aforementioned idea of someone bieng on hold and then somone getting an instant reply on the forums for free. On 31 January 2010 14:30, Michael Douglas meh...@mehall.co.cc mailto:meh...@mehall.co.cc wrote: Using new thread, but replying to Liam: Negative reinforcement is much more effective than positive, ask any number of companies, or politicians/election campaigners. Do it right, so that you seem to have respect for your opponent, but make yourself seem better, and it's very popular (See: Mac vs. PC ads) On 31/01/2010 14:28, Steve wrote: A new thread to discus a possible TV advert -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On 31/01/2010 14:40, Michael Douglas wrote: BSoD look-a-like, followed by user calling support. Advert uses the user on hold to support throughout, but cutting to an Ubuntu user jumping online, forums, IRC, etc, fixing it quickly. Tagline: Ubuntu. Community at work. On 31/01/2010 14:38, Liam Wilson wrote: Yeah, I guess so. I suppose by putting other OS' down, we are in turn, giving Ubuntu a more positive image. To acheive this I guess we could use the aforementioned idea of someone bieng on hold and then somone getting an instant reply on the forums for free. On 31 January 2010 14:30, Michael Douglas meh...@mehall.co.cc mailto:meh...@mehall.co.cc wrote: Using new thread, but replying to Liam: Negative reinforcement is much more effective than positive, ask any number of companies, or politicians/election campaigners. Do it right, so that you seem to have respect for your opponent, but make yourself seem better, and it's very popular (See: Mac vs. PC ads) On 31/01/2010 14:28, Steve wrote: A new thread to discus a possible TV advert -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ I like that idea for sure! -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
It might be good idea to include at least the majority of subjects covered in the slideshow that is shown when installing ubuntu? -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On 31 January 2010 14:40, Michael Douglas meh...@mehall.co.cc wrote: BSoD look-a-like, followed by user calling support. Advert uses the user on hold to support throughout, but cutting to an Ubuntu user jumping online, forums, IRC, etc, fixing it quickly. Tagline: Ubuntu. Community at work. Ubuntu BSoDs? But yes, how about just a box saying A problem has occurred. Please contact your system administrator. with a user at home drinking a cup of tea. They look around - who? How may people watching will have had the same problem? Not our Ubuntu-runner! Typing into an IRC window, Hey, I have a problem. Can anyone help? Answer, a second later: Sure! What's up? Only thing to get right here is a problem that a home user might have - Linux apps don't tend to crash randomly. Jonathon -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
James Milligan wrote: On 31/01/2010 14:40, Michael Douglas wrote: BSoD look-a-like, followed by user calling support. Advert uses the user on hold to support throughout, but cutting to an Ubuntu user jumping online, forums, IRC, etc, fixing it quickly. Tagline: Ubuntu. Community at work. On 31/01/2010 14:38, Liam Wilson wrote: Yeah, I guess so. I suppose by putting other OS' down, we are in turn, giving Ubuntu a more positive image. To acheive this I guess we could use the aforementioned idea of someone bieng on hold and then somone getting an instant reply on the forums for free. On 31 January 2010 14:30, Michael Douglas meh...@mehall.co.cc mailto:meh...@mehall.co.cc wrote: Using new thread, but replying to Liam: Negative reinforcement is much more effective than positive, ask any number of companies, or politicians/election campaigners. Do it right, so that you seem to have respect for your opponent, but make yourself seem better, and it's very popular (See: Mac vs. PC ads) On 31/01/2010 14:28, Steve wrote: A new thread to discus a possible TV advert -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com mailto:ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ I like that idea for sure! I like the idea of compiz in the advert, alot of people seem to like vista/mac as they look good but nobody realizes that ubuntu outstrips them by far looks wise :) We could also go down the Mac VS PC route, only stick Ubuntu in at the end. They are very popular, and It's a known scheme that works and people love it. We could get some laughs and really have fun with this idea. I don't know if there's a copyright problem with it, though. I also like the idea of a competition to create the best advert, dibs on being a judge. As an idea for funding maybe someone could contact canonical to see if they are interested. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: On 31 January 2010 14:40, Michael Douglas meh...@mehall.co.cc wrote: BSoD look-a-like, followed by user calling support. Advert uses the user on hold to support throughout, but cutting to an Ubuntu user jumping online, forums, IRC, etc, fixing it quickly. Tagline: Ubuntu. Community at work. Ubuntu BSoDs? But yes, how about just a box saying A problem has occurred. Please contact your system administrator. with a user at home drinking a cup of tea. They look around - who? How may people watching will have had the same problem? Not our Ubuntu-runner! Typing into an IRC window, Hey, I have a problem. Can anyone help? Answer, a second later: Sure! What's up? Only thing to get right here is a problem that a home user might have - Linux apps don't tend to crash randomly. Jonathon I don't think shots of IRC or the forum would be that good, there's alot of negative stigma around Chat rooms and Online forums unfortunately :( -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On 31 January 2010 14:50, CShadowRun li...@cshadowrun.com wrote: snip I don't think shots of IRC or the forum would be that good, there's alot of negative stigma around Chat rooms and Online forums unfortunately :( What about someone sending an email to the mailing list? -- Harry Rickards - ha...@linux.com http://oftle.com -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
Harry Rickards wrote: On 31 January 2010 14:50, CShadowRun li...@cshadowrun.com wrote: snip I don't think shots of IRC or the forum would be that good, there's alot of negative stigma around Chat rooms and Online forums unfortunately :( What about someone sending an email to the mailing list? That could work. I don't know much on how the mailing lists work, would the user need to subscribe before mailing? Or could we have a simple address they could email, and then they would be automagically subscribed to their single thread. So it would be like a support query. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:50:58 -, CShadowRun li...@cshadowrun.com wrote: Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: On 31 January 2010 14:40, Michael Douglas meh...@mehall.co.cc wrote: BSoD look-a-like, followed by user calling support. Advert uses the user on hold to support throughout, but cutting to an Ubuntu user jumping online, forums, IRC, etc, fixing it quickly. Tagline: Ubuntu. Community at work. Ubuntu BSoDs? But yes, how about just a box saying A problem has occurred. Please contact your system administrator. with a user at home drinking a cup of tea. They look around - who? How may people watching will have had the same problem? Not our Ubuntu-runner! Typing into an IRC window, Hey, I have a problem. Can anyone help? Answer, a second later: Sure! What's up? Only thing to get right here is a problem that a home user might have - Linux apps don't tend to crash randomly. Jonathon I don't think shots of IRC or the forum would be that good, there's alot of negative stigma around Chat rooms and Online forums unfortunately :( Yes 'Chat Room' = paedophile luring young girls away in the minds of a lot of people. -- Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:55:01 -, CShadowRun li...@cshadowrun.com wrote: Harry Rickards wrote: On 31 January 2010 14:50, CShadowRun li...@cshadowrun.com wrote: snip I don't think shots of IRC or the forum would be that good, there's alot of negative stigma around Chat rooms and Online forums unfortunately :( What about someone sending an email to the mailing list? That could work. I don't know much on how the mailing lists work, would the user need to subscribe before mailing? Or could we have a simple address they could email, and then they would be automagically subscribed to their single thread. So it would be like a support query. Anybody got a pet lynx. nine out of ten cats prefer Ubuntu -- Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On 31 January 2010 14:58, Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:50:58 -, CShadowRun li...@cshadowrun.com wrote: I don't think shots of IRC or the forum would be that good, there's alot of negative stigma around Chat rooms and Online forums unfortunately :( Yes 'Chat Room' = paedophile luring young girls away in the minds of a lot of people. -- Then they need to be educated. But seriously, who are these adverts aimed at? If it's a Generally Ignorant User/Mum, then forget it. They won't know what an OS is let alone how to download, burn a CD, install etc. etc. If it's a teen/young adult then there won't be a problem - they use Facebook/IM *all the time*. Oh, the other problem is the name of Lynx. It already has product/brand association in the UK. We would have to stay well away from it. Ubuntu is OK as a brand (though it's mostly unknown), but 10.04 is weak as water soup. Ten-oh-four? Ten-point-zero-four? What does that mean? (Even Lucid Lynx sounds as geeky as it comes). If anything you have to associate with a known brand - like Linux. Ubuntu Linux. We are Linux? Who else uses Linux? Is it strong enough? Ubuntu is an African word meaning 'Humanity to others', or 'I am what I am because of who we all are'. The Ubuntu distribution brings the spirit of Ubuntu to the software world. We are Ubuntu? So how about a user of another OS sat struggling with their machine by themselves, whereas our Ubuntu user looks up and asks the next room for help and a random profession walks in and helps (points at the screen and says Oh, it's just here), e.g. scientist followed by artist etc. etc. They all grab a drink and snack and the kitchen is full of a diverse range of people. Ubuntu is a Party! Next door other user with ear pressed against wall, walks round to flat, Guys, could I join in? (in unison) Sure! What is Ubuntu? Ubuntu is... help. Ubuntu is... secure. Ubuntu is... us. /end random brainstorm. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
I think it'd be better to show how ubuntu is cost-effective (i.e; Free). If someone sees something that works better than what they have, for a lot less money, then they could possibly be enticed. It could also be noted that ubuntu is much secure to attacks from viruses and such. But yeah, the concept of people stuggeling with thier computers and then showing like a comparison to Ubuntu seems to be a popular one, so why don't we work on that? Liam On 31 January 2010 15:01, Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:55:01 -, CShadowRun li...@cshadowrun.com wrote: Harry Rickards wrote: On 31 January 2010 14:50, CShadowRun li...@cshadowrun.com wrote: snip I don't think shots of IRC or the forum would be that good, there's alot of negative stigma around Chat rooms and Online forums unfortunately :( What about someone sending an email to the mailing list? That could work. I don't know much on how the mailing lists work, would the user need to subscribe before mailing? Or could we have a simple address they could email, and then they would be automagically subscribed to their single thread. So it would be like a support query. Anybody got a pet lynx. nine out of ten cats prefer Ubuntu -- Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: On 31 January 2010 14:58, Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:50:58 -, CShadowRun li...@cshadowrun.com wrote: I don't think shots of IRC or the forum would be that good, there's alot of negative stigma around Chat rooms and Online forums unfortunately :( Yes 'Chat Room' = paedophile luring young girls away in the minds of a lot of people. -- Then they need to be educated. But seriously, who are these adverts aimed at? If it's a Generally Ignorant User/Mum, then forget it. They won't know what an OS is let alone how to download, burn a CD, install etc. etc. If it's a teen/young adult then there won't be a problem - they use Facebook/IM *all the time*. Oh, the other problem is the name of Lynx. It already has product/brand association in the UK. We would have to stay well away from it. Ubuntu is OK as a brand (though it's mostly unknown), but 10.04 is weak as water soup. Ten-oh-four? Ten-point-zero-four? What does that mean? (Even Lucid Lynx sounds as geeky as it comes). If anything you have to associate with a known brand - like Linux. Ubuntu Linux. We are Linux? Who else uses Linux? Is it strong enough? Ubuntu is an African word meaning 'Humanity to others', or 'I am what I am because of who we all are'. The Ubuntu distribution brings the spirit of Ubuntu to the software world. We are Ubuntu? So how about a user of another OS sat struggling with their machine by themselves, whereas our Ubuntu user looks up and asks the next room for help and a random profession walks in and helps (points at the screen and says Oh, it's just here), e.g. scientist followed by artist etc. etc. They all grab a drink and snack and the kitchen is full of a diverse range of people. Ubuntu is a Party! Next door other user with ear pressed against wall, walks round to flat, Guys, could I join in? (in unison) Sure! What is Ubuntu? Ubuntu is... help. Ubuntu is... secure. Ubuntu is... us. /end random brainstorm. This is a really cool idea. It could be bolted onto the email idea previously. Someone sends an email, and then all the professionals start turning up. Hehe. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
If this is actually going to happen, we need to start thinking of ways how we can get this video shown to people, whether it be televised, or viral. If we're going to put our own money or anyone else's money and time into this we need to make sure that it isn't a waste of it, agreed? On 31 January 2010 15:23, CShadowRun li...@cshadowrun.com wrote: Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: On 31 January 2010 14:58, Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:50:58 -, CShadowRun li...@cshadowrun.com wrote: I don't think shots of IRC or the forum would be that good, there's alot of negative stigma around Chat rooms and Online forums unfortunately :( Yes 'Chat Room' = paedophile luring young girls away in the minds of a lot of people. -- Then they need to be educated. But seriously, who are these adverts aimed at? If it's a Generally Ignorant User/Mum, then forget it. They won't know what an OS is let alone how to download, burn a CD, install etc. etc. If it's a teen/young adult then there won't be a problem - they use Facebook/IM *all the time*. Oh, the other problem is the name of Lynx. It already has product/brand association in the UK. We would have to stay well away from it. Ubuntu is OK as a brand (though it's mostly unknown), but 10.04 is weak as water soup. Ten-oh-four? Ten-point-zero-four? What does that mean? (Even Lucid Lynx sounds as geeky as it comes). If anything you have to associate with a known brand - like Linux. Ubuntu Linux. We are Linux? Who else uses Linux? Is it strong enough? Ubuntu is an African word meaning 'Humanity to others', or 'I am what I am because of who we all are'. The Ubuntu distribution brings the spirit of Ubuntu to the software world. We are Ubuntu? So how about a user of another OS sat struggling with their machine by themselves, whereas our Ubuntu user looks up and asks the next room for help and a random profession walks in and helps (points at the screen and says Oh, it's just here), e.g. scientist followed by artist etc. etc. They all grab a drink and snack and the kitchen is full of a diverse range of people. Ubuntu is a Party! Next door other user with ear pressed against wall, walks round to flat, Guys, could I join in? (in unison) Sure! What is Ubuntu? Ubuntu is... help. Ubuntu is... secure. Ubuntu is... us. /end random brainstorm. This is a really cool idea. It could be bolted onto the email idea previously. Someone sends an email, and then all the professionals start turning up. Hehe. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 15:23:25 -, CShadowRun li...@cshadowrun.com wrote: Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: On 31 January 2010 14:58, Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:50:58 -, CShadowRun li...@cshadowrun.com wrote: I don't think shots of IRC or the forum would be that good, there's alot of negative stigma around Chat rooms and Online forums unfortunately :( Yes 'Chat Room' = paedophile luring young girls away in the minds of a lot of people. -- Then they need to be educated. But seriously, who are these adverts aimed at? If it's a Generally Ignorant User/Mum, then forget it. They won't know what an OS is let alone how to download, burn a CD, install etc. etc. If it's a teen/young adult then there won't be a problem - they use Facebook/IM *all the time*. Oh, the other problem is the name of Lynx. It already has product/brand association in the UK. We would have to stay well away from it. Ubuntu is OK as a brand (though it's mostly unknown), but 10.04 is weak as water soup. Ten-oh-four? Ten-point-zero-four? What does that mean? (Even Lucid Lynx sounds as geeky as it comes). Are yes the sweet smell of Ubuntu. If anything you have to associate with a known brand - like Linux. Ubuntu Linux. We are Linux? Who else uses Linux? Is it strong enough? Ubuntu is an African word meaning 'Humanity to others', or 'I am what I am because of who we all are'. The Ubuntu distribution brings the spirit of Ubuntu to the software world. We are Ubuntu? So how about a user of another OS sat struggling with their machine by themselves, whereas our Ubuntu user looks up and asks the next room for help and a random profession walks in and helps (points at the screen and says Oh, it's just here), e.g. scientist followed by artist etc. etc. They all grab a drink and snack and the kitchen is full of a diverse range of people. Ubuntu is a Party! Next door other user with ear pressed against wall, walks round to flat, Guys, could I join in? (in unison) Sure! What is Ubuntu? Ubuntu is... help. Ubuntu is... secure. Ubuntu is... us. /end random brainstorm. This is a really cool idea. It could be bolted onto the email idea previously. Someone sends an email, and then all the professionals start turning up. Hehe. I now know why advertising people get paid lots of . This is not straight forward is it. -- Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On 31/01/2010 14:37, Steve wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:30:51 -, Michael Douglasmeh...@mehall.co.cc wrote: Using new thread, but replying to Liam: Negative reinforcement is much more effective than positive, ask any number of companies, or politicians/election campaigners. Do it right, so that you seem to have respect for your opponent, but make yourself seem better, and it's very popular (See: Mac vs. PC ads) If done right. If done wrong you end up looking a right prat. Personally I like the Novell spoof ads of Mac vs PC vs Linux, but they're a little out of date now as they mention Leopard and Vista, not to mention they are Novell branded. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On 31/01/2010 14:50, CShadowRun wrote: I don't think shots of IRC or the forum would be that good, there's alot of negative stigma around Chat rooms and Online forums unfortunately :( To be honest, to a non-geek, the idea of IRC might be off putting. I don't know anyone who isn't a geek who uses IRC, usually it's Windows Live messenger or Skype which yes I know isn't the same as IRC, but it's what the people I know use, for instance my step daughter is round here at the moment on her Vista (ugh!) laptop running Windows Live messenger talking to about 10 people at once. I mentioned IRC to her and she turned round and just grunted at me (well she is 15). Maybe it would be more attractive if there was a sexy looking front end to IRC. I do wonder if a good idea would be to 'borrow' the iPhone advert idea, an app for everything... Want to do Word Processing? There's an app for that (OpenOffice) Want to browse the web? There's an app for that (Firefox) Want chat to your friends? There's an app for that (Empathy) Want to backup your important pictures and documents? There's an app for that (Ubuntu One) Want to run alongside Windows? There's an app for that (Wubi) Then mention the Ubuntu Software Centre with thousands of applications available covering just about anything you could need. Well, I hope you get the point... Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On 31/01/2010 15:01, Steve wrote: Anybody got a pet lynx. nine out of ten cats prefer Ubuntu Maybe you could show a video of a kitten and say when it grows up, it wants to be a Lucid Lynx :-) Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On 31/01/2010 15:35, Liam Wilson wrote: If this is actually going to happen, we need to start thinking of ways how we can get this video shown to people, whether it be televised, or viral. If we're going to put our own money or anyone else's money and time into this we need to make sure that it isn't a waste of it, agreed? I think maybe a viral video would be a good idea, that way it can be put on the popular video sites (Youtube etc) and shared out across the popular social networking sites. If it's funny and appeals to people then it's more likely to be shared. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
Ok, so I've had an idea, Rob said: Want chat to your friends? There's an app for that (Empathy) Want to backup your important pictures and documents? There's an app for that (Ubuntu One) Want to run alongside Windows? There's an app for that (Wubi) Why don't we have someone against a plain background, (in, say, a ubuntu shirt! :) ) and ask the user those questions - then cut to a screenshot/movie of the app being used? Then at the end, just have a Ubuntu - Free computing for everyone quote with the logo. Just my two pence worth, Joe --- Joe O'Dell bedsLUG Co-Ordinator bedslug.co.cc DFEY Member (SouthEast) dfey.org Ubuntu-UK Group Member (ascenseur) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JoeODell -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On 31/01/2010 16:16, Joe O'Dell wrote: Ok, so I've had an idea, Rob said: Want chat to your friends? There's an app for that (Empathy) Want to backup your important pictures and documents? There's an app for that (Ubuntu One) Want to run alongside Windows? There's an app for that (Wubi) Why don't we have someone against a plain background, (in, say, a ubuntu shirt! :) ) and ask the user those questions - then cut to a screenshot/movie of the app being used? Then at the end, just have a Ubuntu - Free computing for everyone quote with the logo. Just my two pence worth, Joe --- Joe O'Dell bedsLUG Co-Ordinator bedslug.co.cc DFEY Member (SouthEast) dfey.org http://dfey.org Ubuntu-UK Group Member (ascenseur) https://wiki.ubuntu.com/JoeODell Just a quick question - I'm thinking of doing a quick mock up of this with some titles in place of where the footage would be. However, I use Adobe software to edit... which isn't compatible with Ubuntu, nor is it open source Would I be brewing up a whole heap of trouble by making a video to promote Ubuntu... on Windows proprietary software? Please say no! James -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
Liam, you have a good point there. If this is going to work, IMHO it needs to work on the free and open nature of the software itself. A concept for making people watch this and not spending a penny is that people will need to _want_ to see this video, how can we get it number one on youtube? Make it funny. On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: If this is actually going to happen, we need to start thinking of ways how we can get this video shown to people, whether it be televised, or viral. If we're going to put our own money or anyone else's money and time into this we need to make sure that it isn't a waste of it, agreed? On 31 January 2010 15:23, CShadowRun li...@cshadowrun.com wrote: Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: On 31 January 2010 14:58, Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 14:50:58 -, CShadowRun li...@cshadowrun.com wrote: I don't think shots of IRC or the forum would be that good, there's alot of negative stigma around Chat rooms and Online forums unfortunately :( Yes 'Chat Room' = paedophile luring young girls away in the minds of a lot of people. -- Then they need to be educated. But seriously, who are these adverts aimed at? If it's a Generally Ignorant User/Mum, then forget it. They won't know what an OS is let alone how to download, burn a CD, install etc. etc. If it's a teen/young adult then there won't be a problem - they use Facebook/IM *all the time*. Oh, the other problem is the name of Lynx. It already has product/brand association in the UK. We would have to stay well away from it. Ubuntu is OK as a brand (though it's mostly unknown), but 10.04 is weak as water soup. Ten-oh-four? Ten-point-zero-four? What does that mean? (Even Lucid Lynx sounds as geeky as it comes). If anything you have to associate with a known brand - like Linux. Ubuntu Linux. We are Linux? Who else uses Linux? Is it strong enough? Ubuntu is an African word meaning 'Humanity to others', or 'I am what I am because of who we all are'. The Ubuntu distribution brings the spirit of Ubuntu to the software world. We are Ubuntu? So how about a user of another OS sat struggling with their machine by themselves, whereas our Ubuntu user looks up and asks the next room for help and a random profession walks in and helps (points at the screen and says Oh, it's just here), e.g. scientist followed by artist etc. etc. They all grab a drink and snack and the kitchen is full of a diverse range of people. Ubuntu is a Party! Next door other user with ear pressed against wall, walks round to flat, Guys, could I join in? (in unison) Sure! What is Ubuntu? Ubuntu is... help. Ubuntu is... secure. Ubuntu is... us. /end random brainstorm. This is a really cool idea. It could be bolted onto the email idea previously. Someone sends an email, and then all the professionals start turning up. Hehe. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On 31 January 2010 14:28, Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: A new thread to discus a possible TV advert Personally, I think it would be hard to answer a broad set of questions in one advert. The chance of missing the point for a broad range of potential target audience is too great. therefore, it would be better not to try. instead, it would be possible to at least raise brand awareness. Start with just a quick flash of a second or two of the Ubuntu 'circle of friends' logo. A little like they do on the run up to Big Brother. Later show the logo with 'Ubuntu'. That way people start to associate the logo and the word. Finally add a tag line and a web address. Those that are really interested will go to the web address, and that can answer all their questions. They will only need to investigate the features that are relevant to them, be they IT professionals or users. This way, when people walk into a computer store that sells machines with Ubuntu on them, they will say, 'OK, I have heard of that!' and not run a mile looking for the familiar Windows or Apple Logo. -- Philip Stubbs -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On 31 January 2010 14:30, Michael Douglas meh...@mehall.co.cc wrote: Negative reinforcement is much more effective than positive, ask any number of companies, or politicians/election campaigners. Do it right, so that you seem to have respect for your opponent, but make yourself seem better, and it's very popular (See: Mac vs. PC ads) Do it wrong, and you seem like the Defective by Design campaign. Ubuntu doesn't need a TV advert, for the simple reason that the genera public don't know what an Operating System is. The *only* way to run that campaign would be reinvigorate your old PC by having your local tech monkey install Ubuntu on it! which doesn't exactly have the lasting impression most would like. Ubuntu works because of it's community. You can do far better showing people Ubuntu (at an Install Day, when they see your laptop, when their Windows machine dies and you have to help them etc) than a TV advertisement ever would help. Incidentally, the same goes for: Radio adverts Billboards a la Google Chrome Sponsoring events Merchandise left in various places The list goes on... Matthew Walster -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Russell Tester wrote: Liam, you have a good point there. If this is going to work, IMHO it needs to work on the free and open nature of the software itself. A concept for making people watch this and not spending a penny is that people will need to _want_ to see this video, how can we get it number one on youtube? Make it funny. On Sun, Jan 31, 2010 at 3:35 PM, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com mailto:liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: If this is actually going to happen, we need to start thinking of ways how we can get this video shown to people, whether it be televised, or viral. If we're going to put our own money or anyone else's money and time into this we need to make sure that it isn't a waste of it, agreed? I agree, who are we aiming at for example. I don't think shots of IRC or the forum would be that good, there's alot of negative stigma around Chat rooms and Online forums unfortunately :( Yes 'Chat Room' = paedophile luring young girls away in the minds of a lot of people. -- Then they need to be educated. Yeah, Next week is safer internet day (TUESDAY 9TH i think) so as part of that kids are educated on the dangers of chat rooms however that is ALL we ever hear about we need some +ve stories from people technical or otherwise as to how chat rooms have had a good effect on them. So how do chat rooms help bring together a diverse set of cultures, or how do chatrooms contribute to the development of OSS projects. I know that one school has simple advice don't use them, that to me is like not letting kids cross the road, at all, in case they get run over, its up to adults to teach kids to use roads safely, just as it is their job to teach kids to use the net safely. But seriously, who are these adverts aimed at? If it's a Generally Ignorant User/Mum, then forget it. They won't know what an OS is let alone how to download, burn a CD, install etc. etc. If it's a teen/young adult then there won't be a problem - they use Facebook/IM Er you need the backing of parents to allow their kids in to a chat room, we need to educate everyone, what you said here implies that mums are computer illiterate. I think the idea that one particular group don't know what an operating system is or the assumption that someone doesn't know could be seen as rather patronising, lets treat people as if the there are young female Linux users out there, who may well one day become these mums you are talking about. What is needed is to ensure that people understand in P L A I N E N G L I S H what an operating system is. Something even I find it hard to explain without starting to use tech speak. *all the time*. Oh, the other problem is the name of Lynx. It already has product/brand association in the UK. We would have to stay well away from it. Ubuntu is OK as a brand (though it's mostly unknown), but 10.04 is weak as water soup. Ten-oh-four? Ten-point-zero-four? What does that mean? (Even Lucid Lynx sounds as geeky as it comes). If anything you have to associate with a known brand - like Linux. Ubuntu Linux. We are Linux? Who else uses Linux? Is it strong enough? Ubuntu is an African word meaning 'Humanity to others', or 'I am what I am because of who we all are'. The Ubuntu distribution brings the spirit of Ubuntu to the software world. We are Ubuntu? I think as the code name changes, then perhaps we simple need to get people to see the word Ubuntu. just as people see Windows, if you use a Mac you use OSX, which version you use seems not to be important that much, So how about a user of another OS sat struggling with their machine by themselves, whereas our Ubuntu user looks up and asks the next room for help and a random profession walks in and helps (points at the screen and says Oh, it's just here), e.g. scientist followed by artist etc. etc Paul -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAktlvbYACgkQaggq1k2FJq25FACfZzbgNp2/gJtb8HRH4TpyIaUA OaUAn0vL3rQVI9/jBACDr7L0XCyYrIBh =uZSw -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
James Milligan wrote: Just a quick question - I'm thinking of doing a quick mock up of this with some titles in place of where the footage would be. However, I use Adobe software to edit... which isn't compatible with Ubuntu, nor is it open source Would I be brewing up a whole heap of trouble by making a video to promote Ubuntu... on Windows proprietary software? Please say no! James Personally I'd say know, as great as it would be to have something created using all free software, with the limited amount of time to get something done (about 3 months is it, if that?) then I'd say use whatever tools you can to get the job done. I mean it's a TV advert about Ubuntu, I bet half of those Windows 'I'm a PC' adverts have been created on a Mac. Rob -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On 31 January 2010 17:28, Paul Sutton zl...@zleap.net wrote: Er you need the backing of parents to allow their kids in to a chat room, we need to educate everyone, what you said here implies that mums are computer illiterate. I hate to tell you this, but most parents haven't got a clue what their children are doing on their laptops in their rooms. Even schools have limited control over what pupils can view - while they can restrict access via the school system pupils just go onto their phones (and yes, access Facebook et al via mobile web) during breaks/lunchtimes. Remember - we're conversing about FOSS software via a mailing list. We aren't General Ignorant Users, or even General Intelligent Users. We're Subject Experts. I think the idea that one particular group don't know what an operating system is or the assumption that someone doesn't know could be seen as rather patronising, lets treat people as if the there are young female Linux users out there, who may well one day become these mums you are talking about. I wasn't referring to one particular group - I was referring to the General Ignorant User. This group exists for all products/services. Think about cars, or consumer electronics.Yes, Mums as a group is a sweeping generalisation (and I thought I'd deleted that bit). However, if you go into PC World to buy a pink laptop then all you ask is whether it's wireless or not. And whether it has the internet. What is needed is to ensure that people understand in P L A I N E N G L I S H what an operating system is. Something even I find it hard to explain without starting to use tech speak. I hate to go into Prensky here but we're at a border between adoption stages. There are two sets of consumers, with two different approaches. Digital Natives already use computers and are comfortable using them (downloading, ripping, burning, installing). GIUs are generally Digital Migrants, if that. A different approach is needed as they are much less confident in using computers, very worried about breaking something. Installing a new OS is hardly a safe thing to do, especially if what they have already works fine (and cost doesn't come into it - Windows was free with the laptop). Anyhow, this doesn't help in making a TV-style advert! Oh - get Canonical to run a competition in schools with a prize and exhibition. Jonathon -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
Steve wrote: A new thread to discus a possible TV advert I was at a friend's house this afternoon (Sunday) and happened to notice a Microsoft Windows 7 tv advert on the channel which was sky sports, at approximately 3.30 pm , in the middle of a lot of sports programs. It occurred to me that if we wanted a masterclass for tv advertising an OS, then what Microsoft is doing for Windows 7 might be useful to keep in mind. However, peak, peak time on sky sports for 10 seconds might cost more than an arm and a leg? -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On 31/01/2010 20:01, alan c wrote: Steve wrote: A new thread to discus a possible TV advert I was at a friend's house this afternoon (Sunday) and happened to notice a Microsoft Windows 7 tv advert on the channel which was sky sports, at approximately 3.30 pm , in the middle of a lot of sports programs. It occurred to me that if we wanted a masterclass for tv advertising an OS, then what Microsoft is doing for Windows 7 might be useful to keep in mind. However, peak, peak time on sky sports for 10 seconds might cost more than an arm and a leg? -- alan cocks Ubuntu user Personally those adverts don't do anything for me. They can't even demo their product properly - the snap feature doesn't quite look like that when you do it - there's a little animation before it does it, which isn't shown on the advert. It looks low performance, even though I run Win 7 and it runs faster than the advert! So yeah, personally I don't like the advert style, and I know plenty of MS users that also don't like it, too cheesy is the general consensus. James -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
James Milligan wrote: On 31/01/2010 20:01, alan c wrote: Steve wrote: A new thread to discus a possible TV advert I was at a friend's house this afternoon (Sunday) and happened to notice a Microsoft Windows 7 tv advert on the channel which was sky sports, at approximately 3.30 pm , in the middle of a lot of sports programs. It occurred to me that if we wanted a masterclass for tv advertising an OS, then what Microsoft is doing for Windows 7 might be useful to keep in mind. However, peak, peak time on sky sports for 10 seconds might cost more than an arm and a leg? -- alan cocks Ubuntu user Personally those adverts don't do anything for me. They can't even demo their product properly - the snap feature doesn't quite look like that when you do it - there's a little animation before it does it, which isn't shown on the advert. It looks low performance, even though I run Win 7 and it runs faster than the advert! So yeah, personally I don't like the advert style, and I know plenty of MS users that also don't like it, too cheesy is the general consensus. The adverts are obviously not aimed at people like you then! -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
I suppose the problem we have with creating something like this is, the general public alrieady KNOW what windows is, a lot don't really know what Ubuntu, and Linux are. Perhaps if we were to create a TV advert, the main purpose of it would be to inform people what Ubuntu is. Perhaps a TV advert would be a good way to do this - 3 whole minutes of sheer information. However, where it to come into fruition, we would need funds, and I think that's what the main obsticle is here. Perhaps we should start a campaign of some sort in an effort to raise funds for the development and showing of the TV advert BEFORE we talk about who's playing which role, as to speak. Liam On 31 January 2010 20:03, James Milligan li...@lake54.com wrote: On 31/01/2010 20:01, alan c wrote: Steve wrote: A new thread to discus a possible TV advert I was at a friend's house this afternoon (Sunday) and happened to notice a Microsoft Windows 7 tv advert on the channel which was sky sports, at approximately 3.30 pm , in the middle of a lot of sports programs. It occurred to me that if we wanted a masterclass for tv advertising an OS, then what Microsoft is doing for Windows 7 might be useful to keep in mind. However, peak, peak time on sky sports for 10 seconds might cost more than an arm and a leg? -- alan cocks Ubuntu user Personally those adverts don't do anything for me. They can't even demo their product properly - the snap feature doesn't quite look like that when you do it - there's a little animation before it does it, which isn't shown on the advert. It looks low performance, even though I run Win 7 and it runs faster than the advert! So yeah, personally I don't like the advert style, and I know plenty of MS users that also don't like it, too cheesy is the general consensus. James -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:35:25 -, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose the problem we have with creating something like this is, the general public already KNOW what windows is, a lot don't really know what Ubuntu, and Linux are. Perhaps if we were to create a TV advert, the main purpose of it would be to inform people what Ubuntu is. Perhaps a TV advert would be a good way to do this - 3 whole minutes of sheer information. However, where it to come into fruition, we would need funds, and I think that's what the main obstacle is here. Perhaps we should start a campaign of some sort in an effort to raise funds for the development and showing of the TV advert BEFORE we talk about who's playing which role, as to speak. Maybe if we can produce 30-60 seconds worth of advert it may be easier to attract funds. -- Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
-BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE- Hash: SHA1 Jonathon Fernyhough wrote: On 31 January 2010 17:28, Paul Sutton zl...@zleap.net wrote: Er you need the backing of parents to allow their kids in to a chat room, we need to educate everyone, what you said here implies that mums are computer illiterate. I hate to tell you this, but most parents haven't got a clue what their children are doing on their laptops in their rooms. Even schools have limited control over what pupils can view - while they can restrict access via the school system pupils just go onto their phones (and yes, access Facebook et al via mobile web) during breaks/lunchtimes. I know, i was just interpreting waht you said about mums perhaps a little too literally, Remember - we're conversing about FOSS software via a mailing list. We aren't General Ignorant Users, or even General Intelligent Users. We're Subject Experts. Ok, I think the idea that one particular group don't know what an operating system is or the assumption that someone doesn't know could be seen as rather patronising, lets treat people as if the there are young female Linux users out there, who may well one day become these mums you are talking about. I wasn't referring to one particular group - I was referring to the General Ignorant User. This group exists for all products/services. Think about cars, or consumer electronics.Yes, Mums as a group is a sweeping generalisation (and I thought I'd deleted that bit). However, if you go into PC World to buy a pink laptop then all you ask is whether it's wireless or not. And whether it has the internet. Ok i see your point. What is needed is to ensure that people understand in P L A I N E N G L I S H what an operating system is. Something even I find it hard to explain without starting to use tech speak. I hate to go into Prensky here but we're at a border between adoption stages. There are two sets of consumers, with two different approaches. Digital Natives already use computers and are comfortable using them (downloading, ripping, burning, installing). GIUs are generally Digital Migrants, if that. A different approach is needed as they are much less confident in using computers, very worried about breaking something. Installing a new OS is hardly a safe thing to do, especially if what they have already works fine (and cost doesn't come into it - Windows was free with the laptop). Anyhow, this doesn't help in making a TV-style advert! Oh - get Canonical to run a competition in schools with a prize and exhibition. On the above, good point, lets refocus on our objective Jonathon - -- Paul Sutton www.zleap.net Ubuntu 9.10 is out : Visit www.ubuntu.com for details DCGLUG MEETINGS - Details on www.dcglug.org.uk/drupal6, - please click on Group meetings link on right hand side Aged 11 - 19 then dfey may be for you, please goto http://www.dfey.org for more details -BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE- Version: GnuPG v1.4.9 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Mozilla - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iEYEARECAAYFAktl8LAACgkQaggq1k2FJq02lwCdGk6aON5dedKo0PDpttlZAYg0 xIAAn3ah0Ost3pN54LY+4UGYodAnWh5L =6ETt -END PGP SIGNATURE- -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
Yeah, like say Help us finish this sort of thing? sounds like a good incentive! On 31 January 2010 21:00, Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 20:35:25 -, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: I suppose the problem we have with creating something like this is, the general public already KNOW what windows is, a lot don't really know what Ubuntu, and Linux are. Perhaps if we were to create a TV advert, the main purpose of it would be to inform people what Ubuntu is. Perhaps a TV advert would be a good way to do this - 3 whole minutes of sheer information. However, where it to come into fruition, we would need funds, and I think that's what the main obstacle is here. Perhaps we should start a campaign of some sort in an effort to raise funds for the development and showing of the TV advert BEFORE we talk about who's playing which role, as to speak. Maybe if we can produce 30-60 seconds worth of advert it may be easier to attract funds. -- Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:13:18 -, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, like say Help us finish this sort of thing? sounds like a good incentive! I’m playing with your screen shots and impress at the moment to see what I can do. -- Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
Cheers steve, if you're going to re-size them, the'yd ideally be around the 864x514 px size, as that's a reasonable size for them to be printed on A4. On 31 January 2010 21:25, Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:13:18 -, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, like say Help us finish this sort of thing? sounds like a good incentive! I’m playing with your screen shots and impress at the moment to see what I can do. -- Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:33:05 -, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: Cheers steve, if you're going to re-size them, the'yd ideally be around the 864x514 px size, as that's a reasonable size for them to be printed on A4. I’m not going to print them, I’m trying to animate your poster. On 31 January 2010 21:25, Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:13:18 -, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, like say Help us finish this sort of thing? sounds like a good incentive! I’m playing with your screen shots and impress at the moment to see what I can do. -- Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
Oh right. Silly me! xD Liam On 31 January 2010 21:44, Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:33:05 -, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: Cheers steve, if you're going to re-size them, the'yd ideally be around the 864x514 px size, as that's a reasonable size for them to be printed on A4. I’m not going to print them, I’m trying to animate your poster. On 31 January 2010 21:25, Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:13:18 -, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, like say Help us finish this sort of thing? sounds like a good incentive! I’m playing with your screen shots and impress at the moment to see what I can do. -- Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
Hey everyone; IF we are going to make this video, ideally, it would be better to think about actual content first. I think the best plan of action to get this going is to think about what we want in the first 30-60 seconds. This way, we have a general idea of where the video is headed in terms of genre and audience, and as previously mentioned, it will help as an incentive if we are to get any donations/funding for the showing and/or development of this advert. To start us off, we would need a number of things; - Somewhere to host the project - Ideally a blog or website - A paypal account, so viewers can donate funds to the cause - Somewhere to talk about it. - Such as an IRC channel/mailing list/forum, just so it's not just restricted to Ubuntu-uk, and also so any skeptics or people who don't want to participate don't get annoyed by the sheer volume of threads about the advert (which is what seems to be happening at the moment) - People to help! - The more the merrier. Perhaps we could get in touch the with folks at ubuntu-marketing, to see if they can offer any expertise. - A definitive plan. - We really need to decide where we're headed with this advert. If it's to come into fruition, we need to not only get ideas out, but also select which ones are the most feasable and doable within our 3-month target. - Software! - As asked before, ideally any software is good. Wether it be proprietary or FOSS. Remember, if we're going to make this happen, we only have 3 months, so it's best to use software that can get the job done! So if we want to advertise Ubuntu, I think these are the main goals that we need to achieve. If anyone has any other ideas as to what we need to achieve, this is the place for that. First off, I think it would be a good idea to have someplace we can host what we're doing, i.e; the project outlines and goals and suchforth. Would the Ubuntu wiki (maybe even the ubuntu-uk one) be a good place for this? I've made us a Wiki site on google sites, which can be found here: http://sites.google.com/site/ubuntutvadvertproject/ It's only the very basic template as of typing, I'll work more on it tomorrow. Liam On 31 January 2010 21:50, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: Oh right. Silly me! xD Liam On 31 January 2010 21:44, Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:33:05 -, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: Cheers steve, if you're going to re-size them, the'yd ideally be around the 864x514 px size, as that's a reasonable size for them to be printed on A4. I’m not going to print them, I’m trying to animate your poster. On 31 January 2010 21:25, Steve yorvik.ubu...@googlemail.com wrote: On Sun, 31 Jan 2010 21:13:18 -, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, like say Help us finish this sort of thing? sounds like a good incentive! I’m playing with your screen shots and impress at the moment to see what I can do. -- Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- Steve -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert - media?
Steve wrote: A new thread to discus a possible TV advert Just a thought - this Firefox ad in New York Times http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/0,100097,39181362,00.htm -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert - media?
Oh wow. Just goes to show that something like this may still be possible. Alan, are you interested in creating this advert, for serious? If you are, I'll make you a collaborator to the google sites page I set up for the project (the page is bare as-is). http://sites.google.com/site/ubuntutvadvertproject/ On 31 January 2010 23:17, alan c aecl...@candt.waitrose.com wrote: Steve wrote: A new thread to discus a possible TV advert Just a thought - this Firefox ad in New York Times http://news.zdnet.co.uk/internet/0,100097,39181362,00.htm -- alan cocks Ubuntu user -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On 31 January 2010 23:13, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: IF we are going to make this video, ideally, it would be better to think about actual content first. I disagree. The very first thing is to look at what the goal is. Only once you know the goal, target audience, approach, method of delivery and so on can you begin to look at content. I'm personally of the opinion that now is not the time to create a TV advert, and that the money/time could be better spent on other things, but its not my place to tell people what to do. Somewhere to host the project - Ideally a blog or website A paypal account, so viewers can donate funds to the cause Somewhere to talk about it. We have considerable resources to help this kind of marketing effort already. We have a wiki and a collaborative editor:- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ We have a marketing mailing list and irc channel:- https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing #ubuntu-marketing on irc.freenode.net We also have sites where content can be shared:- http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/ Such as an IRC channel/mailing list/forum, just so it's not just restricted to Ubuntu-uk, and also so any skeptics or people who don't want to participate don't get annoyed by the sheer volume of threads about the advert (which is what seems to be happening at the moment) If it is an Ubuntu UK LoCo project then I'd encourage you to use the resources available - including this list. The more the merrier. Not always true. Too many cooks. Perhaps we could get in touch the with folks at ubuntu-marketing, to see if they can offer any expertise. I'd certainly advice introducing the idea to the Ubuntu Community Marketing people (linked above). So if we want to advertise Ubuntu, I think these are the main goals that we need to achieve. If anyone has any other ideas as to what we need to achieve, this is the place for that. First off, I think it would be a good idea to have someplace we can host what we're doing, i.e; the project outlines and goals and suchforth. Would the Ubuntu wiki (maybe even the ubuntu-uk one) be a good place for this? See above links to existing resources. I've made us a Wiki site on google sites, which can be found here: http://sites.google.com/site/ubuntutvadvertproject/ It's only the very basic template as of typing, I'll work more on it tomorrow. Again I'd recommend using the sites and resources we have, and collaborate with existing marketing efforts rather than potentially duplicating effort. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
Yeah, looking at the perspective you've put it at Alan, I guess you're right. You mentioned spending the time/money on other things, but what like? And If we WERE to create a TV adverrt for Ubuntu, no doubt there is interest in doing so, do you think it's a bit ambitious trying to aim for the release of Lucid, or do you think would it be a better option to aim for MM or even beyond? Personally, I think that Lucid would be a good goal to aim for, as it's 3 months away, and there's less chance of loss of interest in 3 months than 6 - but that's just my opinion, obviously, you've had experience working with projects before, such as the UUPC, and I haven't. If I'm honest, I wasn't aware we had tools like a collaborative editor, so thanks for pointing that one out. How would you suggest we start this project then, if we're actually determined to see it through? Thanks; Liam On 31 January 2010 23:32, Alan Pope a...@popey.com wrote: On 31 January 2010 23:13, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: IF we are going to make this video, ideally, it would be better to think about actual content first. I disagree. The very first thing is to look at what the goal is. Only once you know the goal, target audience, approach, method of delivery and so on can you begin to look at content. I'm personally of the opinion that now is not the time to create a TV advert, and that the money/time could be better spent on other things, but its not my place to tell people what to do. Somewhere to host the project - Ideally a blog or website A paypal account, so viewers can donate funds to the cause Somewhere to talk about it. We have considerable resources to help this kind of marketing effort already. We have a wiki and a collaborative editor:- http://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam http://pad.ubuntu-uk.org/ We have a marketing mailing list and irc channel:- https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing #ubuntu-marketinghttps://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-marketing%0A#ubuntu-marketingon irc.freenode.net We also have sites where content can be shared:- http://spreadubuntu.neomenlo.org/ Such as an IRC channel/mailing list/forum, just so it's not just restricted to Ubuntu-uk, and also so any skeptics or people who don't want to participate don't get annoyed by the sheer volume of threads about the advert (which is what seems to be happening at the moment) If it is an Ubuntu UK LoCo project then I'd encourage you to use the resources available - including this list. The more the merrier. Not always true. Too many cooks. Perhaps we could get in touch the with folks at ubuntu-marketing, to see if they can offer any expertise. I'd certainly advice introducing the idea to the Ubuntu Community Marketing people (linked above). So if we want to advertise Ubuntu, I think these are the main goals that we need to achieve. If anyone has any other ideas as to what we need to achieve, this is the place for that. First off, I think it would be a good idea to have someplace we can host what we're doing, i.e; the project outlines and goals and suchforth. Would the Ubuntu wiki (maybe even the ubuntu-uk one) be a good place for this? See above links to existing resources. I've made us a Wiki site on google sites, which can be found here: http://sites.google.com/site/ubuntutvadvertproject/ It's only the very basic template as of typing, I'll work more on it tomorrow. Again I'd recommend using the sites and resources we have, and collaborate with existing marketing efforts rather than potentially duplicating effort. Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
Why not have a competition for an advert for ubuntu, like the one for linux a while ago ? It will cost little or nothing and practice makes perfect for the future. Or two competitions, video for tv and text for newspapers ? Just a thought Ged. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On 31 January 2010 23:46, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, looking at the perspective you've put it at Alan, I guess you're right. I'm just a guy with an opinion. You mentioned spending the time/money on other things, but what like? Whatever takes your fancy, the project has lots of ways for people to contribute:- http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu And If we WERE to create a TV adverrt for Ubuntu, no doubt there is interest in doing so, do you think it's a bit ambitious trying to aim for the release of Lucid, or do you think would it be a better option to aim for MM or even beyond? I personally don't believe there is a need for a TV advert at all right now. I'd rather start from the opposite end and ask what the need of a TV advert is. What goal is to be achieved by putting Ubuntu on the telly? Personally, I think that Lucid would be a good goal to aim for, as it's 3 months away, and there's less chance of loss of interest in 3 months than 6 - but that's just my opinion, obviously, you've had experience working with projects before, such as the UUPC, and I haven't. We planned the first episode of UUPC for about 3 months. Ok, not solid work, but discussion started in January '08 and S01E01 was released in April '08. Planning for a podcast is a whole different ball game than planning a TV advert. I have no experience of the latter, but can only speculate on how much work is involved. Note also that the cost and effort to us of putting out a podcast episode of 1 _hour_ length is orders of magnitude _less_ than it costs to put out a 1 _minute_ TV advert. Video is harder than audio. Great, compelling video that meets its goal is even harder. How would you suggest we start this project then, if we're actually determined to see it through? I've probably made it quite clear that I don't see the value of having a TV advert. Take a look at the experience one person had with putting together a radio advert and learn from that. http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/09/tux-takes-to-airwve.html http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/10/grand-experiment-linux-ads-on-radio.html Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
On Sun, 2010-01-31 at 23:13 +, Liam Wilson wrote: Hey everyone; IF we are going to make this video, ideally, it would be better to think about actual content first. I think the best plan of action to get this going is to think about what we want in the first 30-60 seconds. Note that 60 seconds is rather long for a TV advert. Even 30 seconds can be difficult to fill efficiently. The risk with a long spot is to bore the viewer or to make the message too complicated and we definitely don't want to associate Ubuntu with the words boring or complicated. What about 3 or 4 ads of 10 to 15 seconds each with very simple messages on the format I [use|like|prefer] Ubuntu for [work|play] because...? With the last 1 or 2 seconds showing an Ubuntu logo with the words ubuntu.com below and playing the login sound. The idea would be to trigger viewers' interest with the simple message, tell them how to find out more with the logo and details of the web site, associate the logo and jingle with the word Ubuntu, and reinforce the message through several short ads that complement each other. My £0.02. Please tell me (or ignore it) if it doesn't make any sense. Bruno -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
I guess there are a lot more projects (Probably some similar to this idea) that could do with work/help rather than creating one at the possibility of it not coming into fruition, as raising enough money and getting the advert done correctly would be a pretty big problem in itself, I guess. Suppose something like commercial advertising of Ubuntu is left to the guys who have the money, but that's not to say we should stop campaigning for the the release of lucid, eh? Liam On 1 February 2010 00:35, Alan Pope a...@popey.com wrote: On 31 January 2010 23:46, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, looking at the perspective you've put it at Alan, I guess you're right. I'm just a guy with an opinion. You mentioned spending the time/money on other things, but what like? Whatever takes your fancy, the project has lots of ways for people to contribute:- http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu And If we WERE to create a TV adverrt for Ubuntu, no doubt there is interest in doing so, do you think it's a bit ambitious trying to aim for the release of Lucid, or do you think would it be a better option to aim for MM or even beyond? I personally don't believe there is a need for a TV advert at all right now. I'd rather start from the opposite end and ask what the need of a TV advert is. What goal is to be achieved by putting Ubuntu on the telly? Personally, I think that Lucid would be a good goal to aim for, as it's 3 months away, and there's less chance of loss of interest in 3 months than 6 - but that's just my opinion, obviously, you've had experience working with projects before, such as the UUPC, and I haven't. We planned the first episode of UUPC for about 3 months. Ok, not solid work, but discussion started in January '08 and S01E01 was released in April '08. Planning for a podcast is a whole different ball game than planning a TV advert. I have no experience of the latter, but can only speculate on how much work is involved. Note also that the cost and effort to us of putting out a podcast episode of 1 _hour_ length is orders of magnitude _less_ than it costs to put out a 1 _minute_ TV advert. Video is harder than audio. Great, compelling video that meets its goal is even harder. How would you suggest we start this project then, if we're actually determined to see it through? I've probably made it quite clear that I don't see the value of having a TV advert. Take a look at the experience one person had with putting together a radio advert and learn from that. http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/09/tux-takes-to-airwve.html http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/10/grand-experiment-linux-ads-on-radio.html Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
Re: [ubuntu-uk] Lucid Lynx TV Advert
In fact, if we still wanted to, I'm pretty sure we could make an advert, and then just put it on youtube, sort of like what microsoft have done, with little 'shorts' to promote Win7. On 1 February 2010 01:20, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: I guess there are a lot more projects (Probably some similar to this idea) that could do with work/help rather than creating one at the possibility of it not coming into fruition, as raising enough money and getting the advert done correctly would be a pretty big problem in itself, I guess. Suppose something like commercial advertising of Ubuntu is left to the guys who have the money, but that's not to say we should stop campaigning for the the release of lucid, eh? Liam On 1 February 2010 00:35, Alan Pope a...@popey.com wrote: On 31 January 2010 23:46, Liam Wilson liamwilso...@gmail.com wrote: Yeah, looking at the perspective you've put it at Alan, I guess you're right. I'm just a guy with an opinion. You mentioned spending the time/money on other things, but what like? Whatever takes your fancy, the project has lots of ways for people to contribute:- http://www.ubuntu.com/community/participate https://wiki.ubuntu.com/ContributeToUbuntu And If we WERE to create a TV adverrt for Ubuntu, no doubt there is interest in doing so, do you think it's a bit ambitious trying to aim for the release of Lucid, or do you think would it be a better option to aim for MM or even beyond? I personally don't believe there is a need for a TV advert at all right now. I'd rather start from the opposite end and ask what the need of a TV advert is. What goal is to be achieved by putting Ubuntu on the telly? Personally, I think that Lucid would be a good goal to aim for, as it's 3 months away, and there's less chance of loss of interest in 3 months than 6 - but that's just my opinion, obviously, you've had experience working with projects before, such as the UUPC, and I haven't. We planned the first episode of UUPC for about 3 months. Ok, not solid work, but discussion started in January '08 and S01E01 was released in April '08. Planning for a podcast is a whole different ball game than planning a TV advert. I have no experience of the latter, but can only speculate on how much work is involved. Note also that the cost and effort to us of putting out a podcast episode of 1 _hour_ length is orders of magnitude _less_ than it costs to put out a 1 _minute_ TV advert. Video is harder than audio. Great, compelling video that meets its goal is even harder. How would you suggest we start this project then, if we're actually determined to see it through? I've probably made it quite clear that I don't see the value of having a TV advert. Take a look at the experience one person had with putting together a radio advert and learn from that. http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/09/tux-takes-to-airwve.html http://linuxlock.blogspot.com/2009/10/grand-experiment-linux-ads-on-radio.html Cheers, Al. -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/ -- ubuntu-uk@lists.ubuntu.com https://lists.ubuntu.com/mailman/listinfo/ubuntu-uk https://wiki.ubuntu.com/UKTeam/
