Re: [Ugnet] UPDF flee war front, 500 arrested in 'Panda Gari' Operation
MulindwaI fail to understand your point. Obote brought Panda Gari and now its being done in Gulu. The point here is that a killing method once used in Kampala is being used in Gulu twenty years later.Whose fault is this ? Kansangwawo ?? Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KasangwawoMunange ojjukira omusajja oli Obote omu Northerner eyaleeta Panda Gali e Uganda? Kale kirungi twamuwona munange.Em TorontoThe Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"- Original Message - From: Matek Opoko To: ugandanet@kym.net ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:48 PM Subject: [Ugnet] UPDF flee war front, 500 arrested in 'Panda Gari' Operation UPDF flee war front, 500 arrested in 'Panda Gari' Operation Aswa Times correspondent in Gulu UPDF soldiers caught in action fleeing from battle front wit LRA in Northern Uganda. ABOUT 500 soldiers, UPDF deserters and civilians were arrested in a night Panda Gari on Independence Day in Gulu town. The UPDF, police and Local Councils carried out the operation that started at around 3am and ended at 7:30am on Tuesday. Two SMG guns and several rounds of ammunitions were recovered in the early morning joint operation. Soldiers and idlers that included drunkards and newspaper vendors were arrested. The northern Regional Army Spokesman, Lt. Chris Magezi, yesterday confirmed that hundreds of UPDF soldiers, deserters and idlers were arrested on Monday in a joint mop up operation. The screening is still going on. So far, we have managed to get dozens of UPDF soldiers whom we have detained at our cells. We have handed the civilians to the police, he said.Magezi said the UPDF deserters would appear before the army court this week on charges of dissertation and Away without official leave (AWOL). Gulu District Police Commander, Mr Yasiin Ndimwibo, said only five civilians had be handed to the police by press time. The operation followed concerns by Gulu Municipal authorities that there was high crime rate in the town suburbs. It is not uncommon that hundreds of UPDF soldiers flee the battle front with LRA and take refugee in town and particularly in the slums in civilian dressing and in the night they commit lots of atrocities on the civilians, which the military swiftly blames on LRA rebels. It is this flight from the war front which created the Ghost Soldiers Scandal (GSS) in which UPDF officers made millions of Shillings paying ghost soldiers. A number of senior military officers whose personal loyalty to President Museveni was questionable have been court martial, while his sycophants have been forgiven. [ENDS] Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ___Ugandanet mailing listUgandanet@kym.nethttp://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way.---___Ugandanet mailing listUgandanet@kym.nethttp://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way.--- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta.___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
Re: [Ugnet] UPDF flee war front, 500 arrested in 'Panda Gari' Operation
Simon Nume You see that is the kind of lie I really refuse to stomach, Panda Gali came to Uganda when Obotewas in Tanzania, Panda Gali was started by the Museveni's before Obote stepped into Bushenyi, in fact if you followed Uganda issues there was an argument blaming Obote for not stopping it when he was elected into government. That is the fact. Now today you are taking us to be little kids that were not in Uganda, and who were not following Uganda issues. How did Obote start Panda Gali in Uganda when we had it as he was in Tanzania? Nume you have every right to hate the man but stop peddling such lies. You know and that is what makes me really pissed for now Obote started Panda Gali in Uganda has become an accepted lie as Obote poisoned Mutesa. We need to start to grow up men and start with new ideas, ideas by young people which will make Buganda face this century. For one wonders why Kasangwawo today has old crap like Mulira to back his argument. Doesn't Buganda produce any youths? Do we still have to listen to the Mulira's and Mayanja Nkangi's? What knew idea do they have at that age? But you see with thinking like Nume's Senior citizens can run Buganda to their grave/s. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: Simon Nume To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] UPDF flee war front,500 arrested in 'Panda Gari' Operation Mulindwa I fail to understand your point. Obote brought Panda Gari and now its being done in Gulu. The point here is that a killing method once used in Kampala is being used in Gulu twenty years later. Whose fault is this ? Kansangwawo ?? Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kasangwawo Munange ojjukira omusajja oli Obote omu Northerner eyaleeta Panda Gali e Uganda? Kale kirungi twamuwona munange. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: Matek Opoko To: ugandanet@kym.net ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:48 PM Subject: [Ugnet] UPDF flee war front, 500 arrested in 'Panda Gari' Operation UPDF flee war front, 500 arrested in 'Panda Gari' Operation Aswa Times correspondent in Gulu UPDF soldiers caught in action fleeing from battle front wit LRA in Northern Uganda. ABOUT 500 soldiers, UPDF deserters and civilians were arrested in a night Panda Gari on Independence Day in Gulu town. The UPDF, police and Local Councils carried out the operation that started at around 3am and ended at 7:30am on Tuesday. Two SMG guns and several rounds of ammunitions were recovered in the early morning joint operation. Soldiers and idlers that included drunkards and newspaper vendors were arrested. The northern Regional Army Spokesman, Lt. Chris Magezi, yesterday confirmed that hundreds of UPDF soldiers, deserters and idlers were arrested on Monday in a joint mop up operation. The screening is still going on. So far, we have managed to get dozens of UPDF soldiers whom we have detained at our cells. We have handed the civilians to the police, he said.Magezi said the UPDF deserters would appear before the army court this week on charges of dissertation and Away without official leave (AWOL). Gulu District Police Commander, Mr Yasiin Ndimwibo, said only five civilians had be handed to the police by press time. The operation followed concerns by Gulu Municipal authorities that there was high crime rate in the
RE: [Ugnet] UGANDA DIRTY SECRET IN WAR UNVEILED , ('KONY'= UPDF)
MulindwaWhen the truth ever comes out, it will be revealed that real genocide took place in Uganda.In order to understand HOW this genocide was perpetrated, one has to understand the preparations andearlier genocides which took place before theone in the north. Look out Bwanika's posting for a lot of this backgroundCareful plans were made to divide and rule, to plant hatred and most importantly to dupe even the victims themselves.Before you accuseKezio Musoke and Kansangwawoof not caring about the dead in the north, ask who cared when Musoke's whole family was butchered.?? Incidentally there is now a concerted effort to force Musoke to forget what happened to him or to force him to accept that he got what he deserved. If they can try and do this to Musoke, I shudder what
they will do to Nyeko after they release him from an IDP camp.They will make Nyeko ,Atim, Nobert Mao, Cecilia Ogwal etc kneel down to thank the Nya saviours who saved them from the horrors of 'Kony', and the white world will clap and award the man more money for solving the 'war'.Meanwhile Nyeko will carry on hating Musoke, while he tries to build a small house in Kyengera where one day he will spring to murder Musoke, Mukasa, while Nya and Bya.. are getting world peace prizes.LaughableNume jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mulindwa,I have never stopped you from posting about the war in northern Uganda. On the contrary, I have always encouraged you to stick to your pet subject, the North.Kasangwawo From: "Edward Mulindwa" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo: "The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda" ugandanet@kym.net,[EMAIL PROTECTED]CC: rwanda [EMAIL PROTECTED],David Musoke [EMAIL PROTECTED], [EMAIL PROTECTED],Florence Namutebi [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: [Ugnet] UGANDA DIRTY SECRET IN WAR UNVEILED , ('KONY'=
UPDF)Date: Mon, 2 Oct 2006 22:40:55 -0400Matek/NumeThere are facts in our nation we just cannot ignore, just on record I was a member on New Vision discussion board few months ago and I posted the same facts that actually UPDF is killing our people and I questioned the presence of Konny in Northern Uganda. New Vision decided to boot me out of the forum and not to email me even the daily paper, for what I stated was a disrespect to the goodnational force of UPDF. Today CIA its self is claiming the same thing, and I wonder what Kezio the New Vision administrator has to say on a CIA report.And if you read carefully I forwarded the same posting to him.I have taken a great time
asking about this un ending war, at times gone even opposite to people who follow North issues like Matek for it just did not add up. Today we have pictures of Konny fighters with Rastas. Give me a dam break, did Museveni's fighters in Luwero have Rastas or Konny is just to smarter than how Museveni was in the bush? Some thing is just out right wrong in Northern Uganda and all Uganda government has to do is to look into our face and tell us the truth of who is killing our people. In time I am going to post a writing on this same war. Look there are those of us who have spent a whole life time on this war, when the Kasangwawo's did not even allow us to post that there is a war in Northern Uganda at all, we have lived all our life time fighting these human right abuses. When we were asked why we even care when we are Baganda. This article was written by a non Ugandan , how long are the Kezio Musoke's of today going to hold Northerners at ransom, how many are going to die to
make the Kezio's care?North is suffering today and it is going to become a pain in twenty years if we do not open up and talk about it today based on facts. And I need to know what UPDF is doing that we are not told for starters.Em TorontoThe Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"- Original Message
- From: Matek Opoko To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ; ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Monday, October 02, 2006 9:13 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] UGANDA DIRTY SECRET IN WAR UNVEILED , ('KONY'= UPDF)Culu Nume:Yes indeed we have spent decades here on Ugandanet informing our fellow citizens, that those committing heinous crimes against the people of Northern and Eastern Uganda, are none other then the UPDF did people listen... hell no! Now the fact are coming out!!..even the US
Central Intelligence Agency now believes that the enermy is within the UPDF read Mulindwa article!!MatekSimon Nume [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:But recent revelations in Dar-es-Salaam show that the Ugandan leaders sudden shift in gear in the search for peace in the north would startle, even humble many of his critics, if indeed it is true he had received intelligence reports from the US Central Intelligence
[Ugnet] Bride to be Butchered
In my opinion: Here is the sad side of being a human not any good, either...! Bride to be Butchered By Alamanzan Ssali Tuesday, 14 November 2006 Tragedy has befallen Bukalasa near Wobulenzi, Luweero after a 20 year old girl who was preparing for her give away ceremony (kwanjuka) this Saturday is butchered by unknown assailant Monday night. Namale Margaret was waylaid by the assailant as she walked home in Kikasa village. One of the girl’s parents Domazo Tibaya says the attacker hacked Margaret in the head with a panga. Our Luweero Correspondent says her body was later discovered in a pool of blood by one of the residents. ___ Peter-Rhaina Gwokto Remember: "Even a small dog can piss on a tall building" Jim Hightower www.ottawaocg.org/gpr-mantis ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
[Ugnet] funny and kind'o, serious..
In my opinion: Thanks we don't get along...! Guard Arrested for Loosing Gun By Onno Columbus Tuesday, 14 November 2006A private security Guard in Gulu has been arrested for loosing a gun. Dennis Opio attached to Alert Guards Security firm was on duty in Pece Division when the gun disappeared. Opio has told the police that a boy went to where he was guarding and hit him with a brick before he fainted. The boy allegedly then took the gun but surprisingly the rifle was later found with a 5 year old child who was unknowingly playing with it when he triggered off one bullet. Police suspects Opio could have slept away while on duty when the 5 year old youngster picked his gun. ___ Peter-Rhaina Gwokto Remember: "Even a small dog can piss on a tall building" Jim Hightower www.ottawaocg.org/gpr-mantis ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
[Ugnet] UN to join Uganda truce monitoring team
Australia/Antarctica Kevin Sites Search: All News Yahoo! News Only News Photos Video/Audio AdvancedUN to join Uganda truce monitoring team by Vincent Mayanja Tue Nov 14, 8:12 AM ET KAMPALA (AFP) - The United Nations will join a team monitoring a landmark truce between Uganda and the rebel Lord's Resistance Army hoped to help end northern Uganda's brutal, two-decade war, a top UN envoy has said. UN humanitarian chief Jan Egeland said the world body would deploy observers and helicopters to reinforce the team now overseeing the truce, signed in August and renewed this month despite allegations of violations on both sides. Two days after a historic but inconclusive meeting with elusive LRA supremo Joseph Kony, Egeland said UN staff and choppers would participate in monitoring the truce and two neutral camps where rebels are to gather in south Sudan. "We shall join the monitoring team to go to the assembly areas and to talk to the communities near these areas as a way to find out more about the LRA fears that they are still being pursued by the Ugandan army," he told AFP. "There are still mutual accusations from each side so the monitoring of the assembly areas will try to answer this," Egeland said, without giving a timeframe for the start of UN participation. The truce called for a monitoring team made up of officials from southern Sudan, the African Union, the Ugandan government and the LRA but had not until now involved the United Nations, which has a large mission in south Sudan. Numerous relief groups had complained that the international community was not doing enough to support the talks and Egeland's weekend trip to the talks venue in southern Sudan and meeting with Kony were aimed at easing that concern. Soon after the truce was signed, the LRA accused Uganda of massing troops around the sites in preparation for attack. Rebel fighters who had assembled then left, prompting Kampala to accuse the LRA of regrouping for war. When the truce was extended on November 1, the Ugandan military agreed to pull back from the vicinity of the camps but the rebels are refusing to return until the withdrawals are formally confirmed. "Redeployment (of the army) is a genuine problem for the LRA to assemble," Egeland said, adding that Ugandan President Yoweri Museveni had given him a personal assurance it would be done. "President Museveni assured me that the Ugandan government has agreed to make some redeployments in order to facilitate the LRA's assembling," he told reporters in Kampala earlier. The conflict in northern Uganda has claimed tens of thousands of lives and displaced nearly two million people, and is regularly described as one of the world's worst, and most-forgotten, humanitarian crises by Egeland and others. Peace talks in Juba, the capital of southern Sudan, whose semi-autonomous government is mediating, began in July and were given a major boost by the truce a month later. But since then, the negotiations have stalled apart from the truce renewal, with the two sides bickering over alleged violations as well as war crimes charges and power-sharing and governance issues. Despite the difficulties, the Juba talks are seen by many as the best chance to end the 19-year conflict and Egeland said he hoped the two sides would shortly agree to resume negotiations in earnest after his visit. "There is a commitment on both sides," he said. "They all want to bring this problem to an end although they continue to accuse each other of being dishonest." The conflict has raged since 1988, when Kony and the LRA took leadership of a regional rebellion among northern Uganda's ethnic Acholi minority. __Do You Yahoo!?Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
[Ugnet] Somalia: Arms to Somalia Not a Good Idea
Citizens Kenya and Uganda are already airlifting weapons ( I refer you to previous postings in this forum) to the so called Somalia Interimm Government. So this call by the Kenyan Government to The US and other countries to lift arms embargo, is simply a geared to dupe and hoodwink people. It is like people Know you are doing X, and then you turn around and claim that you are not doing X..you now want approval to do X Who are you fooling?MatekSomalia: Arms to Somalia Not a Good IdeaEmail This Page Print This Page The East African (Nairobi) EDITORIALNovember 14, 2006Posted to the web November 14, 2006 Nairobi KENYA HAS STUCK ITS NECK OUT BY BOLDLY calling for the lifting of the arms embargo on Somalia against the wishes of the United States. Frustrated by the lack of progress in the lawless Horn of Africa state, Kenya now believes that only the lifting of the embargo can allow neighbouring countries to intervene and restore order. It is, however, questionable whether it would be wise to lift the embargo before the antagonists in Somalia have reached a peaceful settlement, at a time when war is looming in the country. The arms embargo was imposed on Somalia by the United Nations Security Council following the collapse of the government of former president Siad Barre in 1991. The US has ensured that the embargo remains in place 16 year later out of fear that the free flow of arms to a country without a central government will end up putting weapons in the wrong hands, especially those inclined to terrorism.Relevant LinksEast Africa Kenya Civil War and Communal Conflict Arms and Military Affairs Somalia Meanwhile, the Transitional Federal Government (TFG) has been campaigning for the lifting of the ban so that it can arm its security personnel and move beyond Baidoa and take control of the country. Still, the reason that Kenya is advancing for lifting the embargo - to enable the Inter-Governmental Authority on Development (Igad) countries to send armed peace keepers to Somalia - remains a source of contention between the TFG and the Islamic Courts. Kenya may well be acting in good faith. But without a functioning government, it would be difficult to monitor the flow of arms into Somalia, especially the heavy weapons both sides crave in order to consolidate their positions. Check out the all-new Yahoo! Mail - Fire up a more powerful email and get things done faster.___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
[Ugnet] FACTBOX-Web of groups, countries supplying weapons to Somalia
Did note that fact.. Uganda under Museveni is supplying the so called Somalia Interim Governemnt with weapons in absoulte disregard to the UN arms embargo against Somalia.! MK FACTBOX-Web of groups, countries supplying weapons to Somalia 13 Nov 2006 17:54:29 GMT Source: Reuters Printable view | Email this article | RSS [-] Text [+] Background Somalia troubles More Nov 13 (Reuters) - An advance copy of a U.N.-commissioned report on violations to a widely flouted 1992 arms embargo on Somalia paints a comprehensive picture of a web of nations and armed groups fuelling Somalia's brewing conflict. The 80-page document, obtained by Reuters and due to be discussed by a Security Council committee on Friday, lists an array of weapons and military supplies sent to the shaky interim government and its rivals in a powerful Islamist movement. Here are some highlights and excerpts from the report: * Syria, Iran, Eritrea, Djibouti, Egypt, Libya and Saudi Arabia have all sent either military personnel, weapons or military supplies including food and medicine to the Islamists, based in Mogadishu. * In the case of Djibouti, the report says the shipment came in disguised as supplies sent by the Djibouti Red Crescent Society. Djibouti denied the allegations. * The Lebanese militant group Hezbollah has provided training to the Islamists, and Egypt, Libya and Eritrea all helped the Islamists establish a training camp in Hiilweyne, Somalia. * Ethiopia, Uganda and Yemen have all sent weapons and military equipment to the interim government, holed up in its sole outpost in Baidoa. * In terms of regional implications, the presence of Ethiopia and Uganda on one side and Eritrea and Djibouti on the other greatly complicates any political solution as all four are members of the east African peace body IGAD which led the peace talks that produced the interim government. * The weapons to both sides include the usual array of Cold War-era castoffs that typify the Somali arsenal, mostly from the former Eastern Bloc. This includes machine guns, assault rifles, rocket-propelled grenades, mines and anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons guns that are usually mounted on pick-up or flat-bed trucks -- which have also been sent in. * More sophisticated weapons are also coming in, mostly toward the Islamist side. These include shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles, multiple rocket launchers and second-generation infrared-guided anti-tank weapons -- all designed to counter Ethiopia's military, backing the government. *The report says the arms and equipment flow is dizzying, even by the standards of a nation known as a byword for arms markets: "Behind the scenes, large cargo aircraft and ocean-going dhows have been clandestinely delivering arms and other forms of military support from states, arms-trading networks and others, almost on a daily basis." * Two Ethiopian rebel groups are backing the Islamists, and some Hezbollah personnel have also arrived in Somalia. * The report warns that if war breaks out, rivals Ethiopia and Eritrea -- still bitter over a 1998-2000 border war -- could fight, and that "acts of terrorism" could be carried out in vulnerable neighbouring states. Experts say this would include Kenya. * The report also shows the strategic logic behind the Islamists' rapid seizure of critical airports and seaports since taking power in June. It traces multiple instances of weapons entering at one port and then being moved around the nation through the others. Sponsored LinkGet a free Motorola Razr! Today Only! Choose Cingular, Sprint, Verizon, Alltel, or T-Mobile.___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
Re: [Ugnet] FACTBOX-Web of groups, countries supplying weapons to Somalia
en dong lok dong tiye kakeno!!!...ka dano otuku duno bi mado mac adada!!!..Kaguta Nice moveyou have , stupidly I reckon, by intervening in Somalia Politics, played the wrong.. you sorry behind will surely pay for your ineptitude..once hit the ceiling!! I bet you have had the arabs are coming...!!..if you haven't read below!!MatekMatek Opoko [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Did note that fact.. Uganda under Museveni is supplying the so called Somalia Interim Governemnt with weapons in absoulte disregard to the UN arms embargo against Somalia.! MK FACTBOX-Web of groups, countries supplying weapons to Somalia 13 Nov 2006 17:54:29 GMT Source: Reuters Printable view | Email this article | RSS [-] Text [+] Background Somalia troubles More Nov 13 (Reuters) - An advance copy of a U.N.-commissioned report on violations to a widely flouted 1992 arms embargo on Somalia paints a comprehensive picture of a web of nations and armed groups fuelling Somalia's brewing conflict. The 80-page document, obtained by Reuters and due to be discussed by a Security Council committee on Friday, lists an array of weapons and military supplies sent to the shaky interim government and its rivals in a powerful Islamist movement. Here are some highlights and excerpts from the report: * Syria, Iran, Eritrea, Djibouti, Egypt, Libya and Saudi Arabia have all sent either military personnel, weapons or military supplies including food and medicine to the Islamists, based in Mogadishu. * In the case of Djibouti, the report says the shipment came in disguised as supplies sent by the Djibouti Red Crescent Society. Djibouti denied the allegations. * The Lebanese militant group Hezbollah has provided training to the Islamists, and Egypt, Libya and Eritrea all helped the Islamists establish a training camp in Hiilweyne, Somalia. * Ethiopia, Uganda and Yemen have all sent weapons and military equipment to the interim government, holed up in its sole outpost in Baidoa. * In terms of regional implications, the presence of Ethiopia and Uganda on one side and Eritrea and Djibouti on the other greatly complicates any political solution as all four are members of the east African peace body IGAD which led the peace talks that produced the interim government. * The weapons to both sides include the usual array of Cold War-era castoffs that typify the Somali arsenal, mostly from the former Eastern Bloc. This includes machine guns, assault rifles, rocket-propelled grenades, mines and anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons guns that are usually mounted on pick-up or flat-bed trucks -- which have also been sent in. * More sophisticated weapons are also coming in, mostly toward the Islamist side. These include shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles, multiple rocket launchers and second-generation infrared-guided anti-tank weapons -- all designed to counter Ethiopia's military, backing the government. *The report says the arms and equipment flow is dizzying, even by the standards of a nation known as a byword for arms markets: "Behind the scenes, large cargo aircraft and ocean-going dhows have been clandestinely delivering arms and other forms of military support from states, arms-trading networks and others, almost on a daily basis." * Two Ethiopian rebel groups are backing the Islamists, and some Hezbollah personnel have also arrived in Somalia. * The report warns that if war breaks out, rivals Ethiopia and Eritrea -- still bitter over a 1998-2000 border war -- could fight, and that "acts of terrorism" could be carried out in vulnerable neighbouring states. Experts say this would include Kenya. * The report also shows the strategic logic behind the Islamists' rapid seizure of critical airports and seaports since taking power in June. It traces multiple instances of weapons entering at one port and then being moved around the nation through the others. Sponsored LinkGet a free Motorola Razr! Today Only! Choose Cingular, Sprint, Verizon, Alltel, or T-Mobile.___Ugandanet mailing listUgandanet@kym.nethttp://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way.--- Want to start your own business? Learn how on Yahoo! Small Business.___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
[Ugnet] Uganda: LRA Demands Hold Truce to Ransom
Reacting to THE EAST AFRICAN ARTICLE BELOW ,MANY POLITICAL OBSERVERS WOULD SAYThat LRA demands , which includes the call for federalism in Uganda , are genuine and must be addressed if any agreement will be reached in the so called Juba peace talks. Refusing to address those demands in Ernest is indeed a recipe for more wars and more Human Suffering. Matek Uganda: LRA Demands Hold Truce to RansomEmail This Page Print This Page The East African (Nairobi) November 14, 2006Posted to the web November 14, 2006 BARBARA AMONGNairobi Lopsided demands and dis-agreement over the terms of a revised truce accord between the Ugandan government and the rebel Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) have held up peace talks between the two sides in the southern Sudanese city of Juba, officials said last week. Talks aimed at ending the two-decade-old war in northern Uganda between the government and Lords Resistance Army rebels have now dragged on for three months with no achievement on any of the five agreed-upon agenda items. Rapidly unfolding events, especially the reported killing of more than 40 civilians by LRA rebels, the ambush of an SPLA truck by the Uganda army, continuous ferrying of food to the rebels by the Government of Southern Sudan, suggest that an outbreak of renewed hostilities is imminent. The two sides renewed the truce two weeks ago, giving the rebels a month to assemble, but the LRA rebels are yet to show up in the two assembly areas of Owiny-Kibul and Ri-kwangba in Southern Sudan. Further hurting the talks is the constant stream of new demands raised by the rebel political wing (LRM) in the talks. The team last week presented a new set of refined demands, including special protection for its fighters and the establishment of a fully-fledged ministry in which the rebels would have a stake, a proposal the government has flatly rejected. The Uganda government has said it is fast growing impatient with the talks and has within a period of three weeks, written twice to the mediator and Government of Southern Sudan (GoSS) expressing its disappointment at the pace of the talks. GoSS is hosting the stop-start peace talks between the Uganda government and the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) rebels who have long been accused of committing atrocities against villagers across the two border regions. Unlike past talks, where the perceived reluctance of both the government and the LRA rebels to engage with one another in political dialogue emerged consistently, this time round, the peace talks started in high gear and the two sides had shown increased commitment. However, the often-articulated government view that the LRA lack a comprehensive political objective and is therefore a "common criminal" seems to be coming back on the table. The repeated argument by the government that the rebels are using the talks to reorganise is quickly resurfacing. The army has on five occasions in the past month engaged rebels trying to cross the Nile into Garamba in Congo. While the rebel political wing constantly raise new demands, leaving old ones unresolved, LRA leader Joseph Kony and his top lieutenants have consistently focused on the withdrawal of the International Criminal Court (ICC) indictment. The 26-page document, spelling out fresh LRA demands, surfaced after the LRM was joined by a fresh team from the US and UK. Okidi Jaramogi, now based in Southern Sudan, and Onen Ostraco, based in Nairobi, have brought a new twist to the talks by introducing it. The rebel political wing is known for squandering past international peace talks, most notably the 1997 Rome peace talks, initiated by the Sant'Egidio group. The LRA delegation presented the 26-page document to the chief mediator, Dr Riek Machar, on Monday night at the Juba Raha Hotel, containing demands 80 percent of which Kampala has rejected. The parties have since August been debating comprehensive solutions to the conflict, a path that could lead to the signing of a comprehensive peace agreement. The document demands that the parties adopt special security measures including a designated assembly area in Northern Uganda, to be elaborated in subsequent agreements. The LRA also wants Masindi district in western Uganda included in districts affected by the war, which should then be declared "disaster areas." The LRA also demands that a referendum be held in 12 months after signing the agreement, a move the rebels say will show that there is genuine demand for a federal form of government as the only way for guaranteeing the political stability of the country. The Uganda government has rejected the above demands, maintaining that it is only offering a "soft landing" for the rebels. The government also argues that the new demands were not raised by the rebels when presenting earlier papers for discussion on the five agreed upon agenda items nor were they presented during the
[Ugnet] Uganda: LRA Demands Hold Truce to Ransom
Reacting to THE EAST AFRICAN ARTICLE BELOW ,MANY POLITICAL OBSERVERS WOULD SAYThat LRA demands , which includes the call for federalism in Uganda , are genuine and must be addressed if any agreement will be reached in the so called Juba peace talks. Refusing to address those demands in Ernest is indeed a recipe for more wars and more Human Suffering. Matek Uganda: LRA Demands Hold Truce to RansomEmail This Page Print This Page The East African (Nairobi) November 14, 2006Posted to the web November 14, 2006 BARBARA AMONGNairobi Lopsided demands and dis-agreement over the terms of a revised truce accord between the Ugandan government and the rebel Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) have held up peace talks between the two sides in the southern Sudanese city of Juba, officials said last week. Talks aimed at ending the two-decade-old war in northern Uganda between the government and Lords Resistance Army rebels have now dragged on for three months with no achievement on any of the five agreed-upon agenda items. Rapidly unfolding events, especially the reported killing of more than 40 civilians by LRA rebels, the ambush of an SPLA truck by the Uganda army, continuous ferrying of food to the rebels by the Government of Southern Sudan, suggest that an outbreak of renewed hostilities is imminent. The two sides renewed the truce two weeks ago, giving the rebels a month to assemble, but the LRA rebels are yet to show up in the two assembly areas of Owiny-Kibul and Ri-kwangba in Southern Sudan. Further hurting the talks is the constant stream of new demands raised by the rebel political wing (LRM) in the talks. The team last week presented a new set of refined demands, including special protection for its fighters and the establishment of a fully-fledged ministry in which the rebels would have a stake, a proposal the government has flatly rejected. The Uganda government has said it is fast growing impatient with the talks and has within a period of three weeks, written twice to the mediator and Government of Southern Sudan (GoSS) expressing its disappointment at the pace of the talks. GoSS is hosting the stop-start peace talks between the Uganda government and the Lord's Resistance Army (LRA) rebels who have long been accused of committing atrocities against villagers across the two border regions. Unlike past talks, where the perceived reluctance of both the government and the LRA rebels to engage with one another in political dialogue emerged consistently, this time round, the peace talks started in high gear and the two sides had shown increased commitment. However, the often-articulated government view that the LRA lack a comprehensive political objective and is therefore a "common criminal" seems to be coming back on the table. The repeated argument by the government that the rebels are using the talks to reorganise is quickly resurfacing. The army has on five occasions in the past month engaged rebels trying to cross the Nile into Garamba in Congo. While the rebel political wing constantly raise new demands, leaving old ones unresolved, LRA leader Joseph Kony and his top lieutenants have consistently focused on the withdrawal of the International Criminal Court (ICC) indictment. The 26-page document, spelling out fresh LRA demands, surfaced after the LRM was joined by a fresh team from the US and UK. Okidi Jaramogi, now based in Southern Sudan, and Onen Ostraco, based in Nairobi, have brought a new twist to the talks by introducing it. The rebel political wing is known for squandering past international peace talks, most notably the 1997 Rome peace talks, initiated by the Sant'Egidio group. The LRA delegation presented the 26-page document to the chief mediator, Dr Riek Machar, on Monday night at the Juba Raha Hotel, containing demands 80 percent of which Kampala has rejected. The parties have since August been debating comprehensive solutions to the conflict, a path that could lead to the signing of a comprehensive peace agreement. The document demands that the parties adopt special security measures including a designated assembly area in Northern Uganda, to be elaborated in subsequent agreements. The LRA also wants Masindi district in western Uganda included in districts affected by the war, which should then be declared "disaster areas." The LRA also demands that a referendum be held in 12 months after signing the agreement, a move the rebels say will show that there is genuine demand for a federal form of government as the only way for guaranteeing the political stability of the country. The Uganda government has rejected the above demands, maintaining that it is only offering a "soft landing" for the rebels. The government also argues that the new demands were not raised by the rebels when presenting earlier papers for discussion on the five agreed upon agenda items nor were they presented during the
[Ugnet] Uganda: S. Sudan Recalls Refugees for Referendum Census
In an environment of wars created by the NRM Military dictatorship in Northern Uganda and southern Sudan for the past 20 years, it is inconceivable that Sudanese Refuges would return back to southern Sudan and participate in the the referendum which will ultimately determine the future of Southern Sudan . Let us face it Sudanese refugees CANNOT return to southern Sudan , if for instance the war between the LRA and Museveni's NRA erupts again! or can they? This mean that it is In the interest of GOSS to ensure that a a peace agreement is reached between the LRA and Museveni NRA? Otherwise.. NOBODY is going to vote in the so called Referendum in southern Sudan. Which further means the Arabs in Khartoum WILL win! MKUganda: S. Sudan Recalls Refugees for Referendum CensusEmail This Page Print This Page The Monitor (Kampala) November 13, 2006Posted to the web November 13, 2006 Tabu Butagira Kefa Atibuni THE government of South Sudan has dispatched a delegation to persuade thousands of its reluctant refugees in Uganda to return home. Daily Monitor has learnt that Mr Etien Kouassi Lazare, the UNHCR Head of Sub Office in Kajo Keji, Sudan organised the 14-member team comprising government and NGO officials to update the exiles on the prevailing situation in their native land and inspire them to return. The team leader, Mr Emilio Igga Alimas, the commissioner for Magwi county in Eastern Equatoria State, told the refugee community in Ikafe settlement camp in Yumbe district on Saturday that they should get home quickly in order to be enumerated in the November 2007 general census so as to participate in the landmark (secession) referendum provided in the January 2004 Comprehensive Peace Agreement. "We are prepared to receive the returnees,"â¬Â Alimas said. In April this year, the Goss released $24m (about Shs4.3 billion) to bankroll the arduous resettlement and reintegration exercise of returnees and IDPs, which is partly being executed by the Norwegian Church Aid. "Generally you people (refugees) are still afraid and think the security situation is bad. Some of you think that when you go home you will be harassed or the property you acquired from Uganda would be looted which is not the case,"â¬Â Alimas said. UNHCR Country Reprehensive in Uganda Cindy Burns stopped the on-going voluntary repatriation of Sudanese refugees from the country on October 20 after the deadly militia attacks on the Nimule-Juba Road. "Nothing like this (attacks) will happen and there is also amnesty for all offences committed in the past. There must be forgiveness and reconciliation," Alimas said. He said mines and caches of other explosives interred in former military barracks or frontlines have already been removed and SPLA soldiers are adequately deployed to guard everyone in Sudan. Other high profile guests on the come-and-inform trip include Lafon County commissioner Luka Aribok, his Ikotos County counterpart Pasquale Angasi and Mr Solomon Ocuko, the acting commissioner for Torit County, all in Eastern Equatoria state. The officials unveiled a package of pleasantries including lucrative job opportunities for the lowly learned and availability of schools, roads and other social infrastructure in Sudan.Relevant LinksEast Africa North Africa Peacekeeping and Conflict Resolution Sudan Uganda Refugees and Displacement "The refugees must, however, recognise that from war, you can't have everything at once. There are certain things they will have to do to improve their welfare and this is why they should return now," Alimas said. The Sudanese officials toured refugee settlements in Yumbe and Arua district over the weekend after a two-day visit to Adjumani and Moyo and were scheduled to visit Kiryandongo camp in Masindi district today. Mr Barry Abdoulaye, the new UNHCR Head of Sub Office in Arua, said it was appropriate for the refugees to consider going back voluntarily because funds for the UN refugee agency to cater for them are dwindling. Sponsored Link Degrees online in as fast as 1 Yr - MBA, Bachelor's, Master's, Associate - Click now to apply___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
[Ugnet] UGANDA DIRTY SECRET IN WAR UNVEILED , ('KONY'= UPDF)
Mwaami Nume
Again you are twisting my statements, there is no
any where that I have stated that deaths in Uganda started in Northern Uganda, I
have been very clear in asking for a public inquirely into the massacres in
Uganda, I have used Luwero as an example and it is so sad that you have missed
all those calls. And my greatest fear is people like your self who publicly
state that we have been with massacres in Uganda but you fear to call for those
inquireries, you come in public forums as here, you go in public meetings both
in and out of Uganda and pretend to know every thing that happened in Uganda's
history. You know who killed the people in Luwero and it was Obote, you know who
killed the people in Nakaseke and it was UNLA. Well can you at least stand up
and ask for the government to charge them? And I differ from such a very sick
thinking, I think that Ugandans are developed enough to stand up and tell who
killed them. Why can Rwanda do it and Ugandans can not?
"Careful plans
were made to divide and rule, to plant hatred and most importantly to dupe even
the victims themselves."
Honestly if you know that such a divide was made
why are you pandering to the same? Why is it so crucial for you to find a
difference between a massacre of a Ugandan in an IDP camp and that of the rest
of Ugandans? Simon splitting up that small nation into small fractions is the
lesson that has been introduced to Uganda by Museveni's song of Ugandan's
problem is North Vs South, it is sad that even a man like you who should know
better use it in your argument. Genocide is bad whether it is in the North or in
the South end of the story, and any thing out side that norm is to create camps
in our country, camps that are today in North but tomorrow will be in Western
Uganda. Rwanda has reached such a hetrade where they are today because they do
not have any Rwandese issue, their issues are always Hutu Based or Tutsi based
and I want you to look very closely on Rwanda, for critical thinkers know for a
fact that Kagame's exit is going to createsuch a genocide that will make
the past one a joke.
It is very sad for Baganda have decided to take us
the Rwanda hate trip and it is to the rest of Ugandans to fight it tooth and
knail to see that it never succeeds.
It is also interesting that now you have started to
note that Kezio Musoke's family was butchered, and you continue "Meanwhile Nyeko will carry on hating Musoke, while
he tries to build a small house in Kyengera" Well The
Kezio Musoke I know is a Musoga, did we have a genocide in Busoga as well, and
if we had a genocide in Busoga as you seem to state today, why would the
repercussion be in Kyengera?
Mwaami Nume it is time we start to think about
Uganda as a nation, it is called nationalism.
Em
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is
in
anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans
l'anarchie"
- Original Message -
From:
Simon Nume
To: The First Virtual Network for friends of
Uganda
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:14
AM
Subject: RE: [Ugnet] UGANDA DIRTY SECRET
IN WAR UNVEILED , ('KONY'= UPDF)
Mulindwa
When the truth ever comes out, it will be revealed that real genocide
took place in Uganda.
In order to understand HOW this genocide was perpetrated, one has to
understand the preparations andearlier genocides which took place before
theone in the north.
Look out Bwanika's posting for a lot of this background
Careful plans were made to divide and rule, to plant hatred and most
importantly to dupe even the victims themselves.
Before you accuseKezio Musoke and Kansangwawoof not caring
about the dead in the north, ask who cared when Musoke's whole family was
butchered.??
Incidentally there is now a concerted effort to force Musoke to forget
what happened to him or to force him to accept that he got what he deserved.
If they can try and do this to Musoke, I shudder what they will do to Nyeko
after they release him from an IDP camp.
They will make Nyeko ,Atim, Nobert Mao, Cecilia Ogwal etc kneel
down to thank the Nya saviours who saved them from the horrors
of 'Kony', and the white world will clap and award the man more money
for solving the 'war'.
Meanwhile Nyeko will carry on hating Musoke, while he tries to build a
small house in Kyengera where one day he will spring to murder Musoke, Mukasa,
while Nya and Bya.. are getting world peace prizes.
Laughable
Nume
jonah kasangwawo [EMAIL PROTECTED]
wrote:
Mulindwa,
I have never stopped you from posting about the war in northern Uganda.
On the contrary, I have always encouraged you to stick to your pet subject,
the North.
Kasangwawo
From: "Edward Mulindwa" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:
The
[Ugnet] Uganda fuelling Somali conflict, says UN report
Uganda fuelling Somali conflict, says UN report FRANK NYAKAIRU AGENCIES KAMPALA UGANDA has been named among countries fuelling the Somali conflict and violating the 1992 arms embargo slapped on the horn of Africa country. The accusations are contained in an 80-page United Nations commissioned report on violence in Somalia to be discussed in the UN Security Council on Friday.The report names Uganda among 10 other countries and armed groups that have flouted the embargo by shipping weapons and military equipment to Somalia, which has been embroiled in a 10 year conflict. "Ethiopia, Uganda and Yemen have all sent weapons and military equipment to the interim government, holed up in its sole outpost in Baidoa," said the report. The report also says Uganda has deployed troops in Baidoa, planting seed for an even bigger regional conflict. Uganda, which also backs the transitional government, sent parts for anti-aircraft guns, supplies for building a military camp, along with an unspecified number of soldiers. Security experts have told Reuters the soldiers are about 100. "In terms of regional implications, the presence of Ethiopia and Uganda on one side and Eritrea and Djibouti on the other greatly complicates any political solution as all four are members of the east African peace body Igad which led to the peace talks that produced the interim government," the report says. According to the report, the weapons to both sides include "the usual array of Cold War-era castoffs that typify the Somali arsenal, mostly from the former Eastern Bloc...machine guns, assault rifles, rocket-propelled grenades, mines and anti-tank and anti-aircraft weapons, guns that are usually mounted on pick-up or flat-bed trucks -- which have also been sent in." The defence ministry however, denies the claims. Ms Ruth Nankabirwa, the State Minister for Defence told Daily Monitor yesterday that Uganda had neither supplied weapons to Somalia nor deployed forces to protect the transitional government in Baidoa, south of the capital Mogadishu. "We are falsely being accused of sending troops to Somalia and supplying arms. there is no truth in that at all," Nankabirwa said. "To send arms to Somalia we need the UN to temporarily lift the arms embargo and we need approval from Parliament," she added. However, her account sharply contrasts that of her colleague Amama Mbabazi, the security minister. Mbabazi told Inside Politics in an interview recently that a UPDF contingent were in Somalia to train troops and protect the transitional government in Baidoa. Contradiction "We are doing a job for Igad- we face the same challenges. When Igad took a decision to act we were given the job of protecting the transitional government and ensuring the training of their security forces. Commonsense commanded that we cooperate," he said. The UN report, however, says the arms and equipment flow is dizzying, even by the standards of a nation known as a byword for arms markets: "Behind the scenes, large cargo aircraft and ocean-going dhows have been clandestinely delivering arms and other forms of military support from states, arms-trading networks and others, almost on a daily basis." More sophisticated weapons, according to the report, are also coming in, mostly towards the Islamist side. These include shoulder-fired anti-aircraft missiles, multiple rocket launchers and second-generation infrared-guided anti-tank weapons all designed to counter Ethiopia's military, backing the government. Two Ethiopian rebel groups are backing the Islamists, and some Hezbollah personnel have also arrived in Somalia. The report warns that if war breaks out, rivals Ethiopia and Eritrea, still bitter over a 1998-2000-border war could fight, and that "acts of terrorism" could be carried out in vulnerable neighbouring states. The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
Re: [Ugnet] UPDF flee war front, 500 arrested in 'Panda Gari' Operation
He has no point. He just enjoys mentioning my name. From:Simon Nume [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To:The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo:The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netSubject:Re: [Ugnet] UPDF flee war front,500 arrested in 'Panda Gari' OperationDate:Tue, 14 Nov 2006 02:21:45 -0800 (PST) Mulindwa I fail to understand your point. Obote brought Panda Gari and now its being done in Gulu. The point here is that a killing method once used in Kampala is being used in Gulu twenty years later. Whose fault is this ? Kansangwawo ?? Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Kasangwawo Munange ojjukira omusajja oli Obote omu Northerner eyaleeta Panda Gali e Uganda? Kale kirungi twamuwona munange. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: Matek Opoko To: ugandanet@kym.net ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:48 PM Subject: [Ugnet] UPDF flee war front, 500 arrested in 'Panda Gari' Operation UPDF flee war front, 500 arrested in 'Panda Gari' Operation Aswa Times correspondent in Gulu UPDF soldiers caught in action fleeing from battle front wit LRA in Northern Uganda. ABOUT 500 soldiers, UPDF deserters and civilians were arrested in a night Panda Gari on Independence Day in Gulu town. The UPDF, police and Local Councils carried out the operation that started at around 3am and ended at 7:30am on Tuesday. Two SMG guns and several rounds of ammunitions were recovered in the early morning joint operation. Soldiers and idlers that included drunkards and newspaper vendors were arrested. The northern Regional Army Spokesman, Lt. Chris Magezi, yesterday confirmed that hundreds of UPDF soldiers, deserters and idlers were arrested on Monday in a joint mop up operation. The screening is still going on. So far, we have managed to get dozens of UPDF soldiers whom we have detained at our cells. We have handed the civilians to the police, he said.Magezi said the UPDF deserters would appear before the army court this week on charges of dissertation and Away without official leave (AWOL). Gulu District Police Commander, Mr Yasiin Ndimwibo, said only five civilians had be handed to the police by press time. The operation followed concerns by Gulu Municipal authorities that there was high crime rate in the town suburbs. It is not uncommon that hundreds of UPDF soldiers flee the battle front with LRA and take refugee in town and particularly in the slums in civilian dressing and in the night they commit lots of atrocities on the civilians, which the military swiftly blames on LRA rebels. It is this flight from the war front which created the Ghost Soldiers Scandal (GSS) in which UPDF officers made millions of Shillings paying ghost soldiers. A number of senior military officers whose personal loyalty to President Museveni was questionable have been court martial, while his sycophants have been forgiven. [ENDS] Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail. ___Ugandanet mailing listUgandanet@kym.nethttp://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way.---___Ugandanet mailing listUgandanet@kym.nethttp://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way.--- Everyone is raving about the all-new Yahoo! Mail beta. ___Ugandanet mailing listUgandanet@kym.nethttp://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way.--- Express yourself instantly with MSN Messenger! MSN Messenger Download today it's FREE! ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE?
Well, I guess you don't know the officers' ethnic origin, do you ? Why did you raise it in the first place then ? Nationalist, my foot ! From: "Edward Mulindwa" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo: "The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda" ugandanet@kym.netCC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE?Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:18:44 -0500 Kasangwawo You are very right it might even be an Obote's government for all we know. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: jonah kasangwawo To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE? Mulindwa, you must have a special way of knowing these things. But tell me, how can you tell that the officers are not Northerners ? Kasangwawo From: "Edward Mulindwa" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo: "The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda" ugandanet@kym.netCC: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Florence Namutebi [EMAIL PROTECTED], ugandanet@kym.netSubject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE?Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 18:20:01 -0500 Peter You know thank God this is not Obote's government, can you imagine how much yelling Ssenyange and Kasangwawo would have lamented if this happened in obote's government, of if these Police officers were Northerners !!! Can you just imagine if this picture was taken during Obote two? That is what has complicated the danger in our nation, we personalize issues and get so weak to attack any misbehavior, for now these two gentlemen and many others like them can not come up and fight for the rights of these students. And one can wonder how many times this has happened in Uganda with out the camera accessing it. That is why we need to move from such a low tribal politics to a nationalism politics, for then and only then can you condemn any thing when you have a ground to stand on. Very shame on all of you for your tribal minds made you loose the ball. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: Peter-Rhaina Gwokto To: Uganda-net Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:24 AM Subject: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE? In my opinion: yikesss...!! And these Neanderthals (aka. humans) have the audacity to call us, Animals...!. Look whateMu7's police is doing to a daughter you, yourself, never caned all her life. Abayizi b¢e Makerere 45 babasindise Luzira Abaserikale ba Poliisi nga bakuba abayizi b¢omu ttendekero ly¢abasomesa e Nkozi nabo abeediimye. ___ Remember: "Even a small dog can piss on a tall building" Jim Hightower ___Ugandanet mailing listUgandanet@kym.nethttp://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way.--- ___Ugandanet mailing listUgandanet@kym.nethttp://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way.--- FREE pop-up blocking with the new MSN Toolbar MSN Toolbar Get it now! ___Ugandanet mailing listUgandanet@kym.nethttp://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way.--- ___Ugandanet mailing listUgandanet@kym.nethttp://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way.--- Don't just search. Find. MSN Search Check out the new MSN Search! ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if
Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE?
Kasangwawo I do not know how old you are but I have seen the results of your thinking fully in Rwanda, Somalia, Burundi and DRC. Some times I wonder if you are prepared for what you have strongly planted in Uganda. And I will leave it at that for now. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: jonah kasangwawo To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:56 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE? Well, I guess you don't know the officers' ethnic origin, do you ? Why did you raise it in the first place then ? Nationalist, my foot ! From: "Edward Mulindwa" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo: "The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda" ugandanet@kym.netCC: [EMAIL PROTECTED]Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE?Date: Mon, 13 Nov 2006 21:18:44 -0500 Kasangwawo You are very right it might even be an Obote's government for all we know. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: jonah kasangwawo To: ugandanet@kym.net Sent: Monday, November 13, 2006 6:52 PM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE? Mulindwa, you must have a special way of knowing these things. But tell me, how can you tell that the officers are not Northerners ? Kasangwawo From: "Edward Mulindwa" [EMAIL PROTECTED]Reply-To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda ugandanet@kym.netTo: "The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda" ugandanet@kym.netCC: [EMAIL PROTECTED],Florence Namutebi [EMAIL PROTECTED], ugandanet@kym.netSubject: Re: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE?Date: Thu, 9 Nov 2006 18:20:01 -0500 Peter You know thank God this is not Obote's government, can you imagine how much yelling Ssenyange and Kasangwawo would have lamented if this happened in obote's government, of if these Police officers were Northerners !!! Can you just imagine if this picture was taken during Obote two? That is what has complicated the danger in our nation, we personalize issues and get so weak to attack any misbehavior, for now these two gentlemen and many others like them can not come up and fight for the rights of these students. And one can wonder how many times this has happened in Uganda with out the camera accessing it. That is why we need to move from such a low tribal politics to a nationalism politics, for then and only then can you condemn any thing when you have a ground to stand on. Very shame on all of you for your tribal minds made you loose the ball. Em Toronto The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie" - Original Message - From: Peter-Rhaina Gwokto To: Uganda-net Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2006 8:24 AM Subject: [Ugnet] Re: POLICE DUTY OR VIOLENCE? In my opinion: yikesss...!! And these Neanderthals (aka. humans) have the audacity to call us, Animals...!. Look whateMu7's police is doing to a daughter you, yourself, never caned all her life. Abayizi b¢e Makerere 45 babasindise Luzira Abaserikale ba Poliisi nga bakuba abayizi b¢omu ttendekero ly¢abasomesa e Nkozi nabo abeediimye. ___ Remember: "Even a small dog can piss on a tall building" Jim Hightower ___Ugandanet mailing listUgandanet@kym.nethttp://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet% UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is
Re: [Ugnet] UGANDA DIRTY SECRET IN WAR UNVEILED , ('KONY'= UPDF)
MulindwaI went too deep and expected you to react like you did.REREAD my posting carefully and you may see what I am saying. Somehow I think that Matek understood.I have no fear of a public inquiry in Uganda genocides, why should I? I am but a victim. What is the point of asking the hyena to keep the meat? WHo is responsible for these genocides and will the inquiry not be conducted by the same??Learn to read between the linesEdward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Mwaami NumeAgain you are
twisting my statements, there is no any where that I have stated that deaths in Uganda started in Northern Uganda, I have been very clear in asking for a public inquirely into the massacres in Uganda, I have used Luwero as an example and it is so sad that you have missed all those calls. And my greatest fear is people like your self who publicly state that we have been with massacres in Uganda but you fear to call for those inquireries, you come in public forums as here, you go in public meetings both in and out of Uganda and pretend to know every thing that happened in Uganda's history. You know who killed the people in Luwero and it was Obote, you know who killed the people in Nakaseke and it was UNLA. Well can you at least stand up and ask for the government to charge them? And I differ from such a very sick thinking, I think that Ugandans are developed enough to stand up and tell who killed them. Why can Rwanda do it and Ugandans can not?"Careful plans were made to divide and rule, to plant hatred and most importantly to dupe even the victims themselves."Honestly if you know that such a divide was made why are you pandering to the same? Why is it so crucial for you to find a difference between a massacre of a Ugandan in an IDP camp and that of the rest of Ugandans? Simon splitting up that small nation into small fractions is the lesson that has been introduced to Uganda by Museveni's song of Ugandan's problem is North Vs South, it is sad that even a man like you who should know better use it in your argument. Genocide is bad whether it is in the North or in the South end of the story, and any thing out side that norm is to create camps in our country, camps that are today in North but tomorrow will be in Western Uganda. Rwanda
has reached such a hetrade where they are today because they do not have any Rwandese issue, their issues are always Hutu Based or Tutsi based and I want you to look very closely on Rwanda, for critical thinkers know for a fact that Kagame's exit is going to createsuch a genocide that will make the past one a joke.It is very sad for Baganda have decided to take us the Rwanda hate trip and it is to the rest of Ugandans to fight it tooth and knail to see that it never succeeds.It is also interesting that now you have started to note that Kezio Musoke's family was butchered, and you continue "Meanwhile Nyeko will carry on hating Musoke, while he tries to build a small house in Kyengera" Well The Kezio Musoke I know is a Musoga, did we have a genocide in
Busoga as well, and if we had a genocide in Busoga as you seem to state today, why would the repercussion be in Kyengera?Mwaami Nume it is time we start to think about Uganda as a nation, it is called nationalism.Em TorontoThe Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"- Original Message - From: Simon Nume To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:14 AM Subject: RE: [Ugnet] UGANDA DIRTY SECRET IN WAR UNVEILED , ('KONY'= UPDF)MulindwaWhen the truth ever comes out, it will be revealed that real genocide took place in Uganda.In order to understand HOW this genocide was perpetrated, one has to understand the preparations andearlier genocides which took place before theone in the north. Look out Bwanika's posting for a lot of this backgroundCareful plans were made to divide and
rule, to plant hatred and most importantly to dupe even the victims themselves.Before you accuseKezio Musoke and Kansangwawoof not caring about the dead in the north, ask who cared when Musoke's whole family was butchered.?? Incidentally there is now a concerted effort to force Musoke to forget what happened to him or to force him to accept that he got what he deserved. If they can try and do this to Musoke, I shudder what they will do to Nyeko after they release him from an IDP camp.They will make Nyeko ,Atim, Nobert Mao, Cecilia Ogwal etc kneel down to thank the Nya saviours who saved them from the horrors of 'Kony', and the white world will clap and award the man more money for solving the 'war'.Meanwhile Nyeko will carry on hating Musoke, while he tries to build a small house in Kyengera where one
day he will spring to murder Musoke, Mukasa, while Nya and Bya.. are getting world peace
Re: [Ugnet] UGANDA DIRTY SECRET IN WAR UNVEILED , ('KONY'= UPDF)
Simon Nume
I refuse to believe that all Ugandans are wasted
and a people that cannot have a commission of inqurely, secondly that stand is
different from classifying a population, that is what scares the wits out of me,
and should scare you.
Em
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is
in
anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans
l'anarchie"
- Original Message -
From:
Simon Nume
To: The First Virtual Network for friends of
Uganda
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 8:33
PM
Subject: Re: [Ugnet] UGANDA DIRTY SECRET
IN WAR UNVEILED , ('KONY'= UPDF)
Mulindwa
I went too deep and expected you to react like you did.
REREAD my posting carefully and you may see what I am saying. Somehow I
think that Matek understood.
I have no fear of a public inquiry in Uganda genocides, why should I? I
am but a victim.
What is the point of asking the hyena to keep the meat?
WHo is responsible for these genocides and will the inquiry not be
conducted by the same??
Learn to read between the linesEdward Mulindwa
[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
Mwaami Nume
Again you are twisting my statements, there is
no any where that I have stated that deaths in Uganda started in Northern
Uganda, I have been very clear in asking for a public inquirely into the
massacres in Uganda, I have used Luwero as an example and it is so sad that
you have missed all those calls. And my greatest fear is people like your
self who publicly state that we have been with massacres in Uganda but you
fear to call for those inquireries, you come in public forums as here, you
go in public meetings both in and out of Uganda and pretend to know every
thing that happened in Uganda's history. You know who killed the people in
Luwero and it was Obote, you know who killed the people in Nakaseke and it
was UNLA. Well can you at least stand up and ask for the government to
charge them? And I differ from such a very sick thinking, I think that
Ugandans are developed enough to stand up and tell who killed them. Why can
Rwanda do it and Ugandans can not?
"Careful
plans were made to divide and rule, to plant hatred and most importantly to
dupe even the victims themselves."
Honestly if you know that such a divide was
made why are you pandering to the same? Why is it so crucial for you to find
a difference between a massacre of a Ugandan in an IDP camp and that of the
rest of Ugandans? Simon splitting up that small nation into small fractions
is the lesson that has been introduced to Uganda by Museveni's song of
Ugandan's problem is North Vs South, it is sad that even a man like you who
should know better use it in your argument. Genocide is bad whether it is in
the North or in the South end of the story, and any thing out side that norm
is to create camps in our country, camps that are today in North but
tomorrow will be in Western Uganda. Rwanda has reached such a hetrade where
they are today because they do not have any Rwandese issue, their issues are
always Hutu Based or Tutsi based and I want you to look very closely on
Rwanda, for critical thinkers know for a fact that Kagame's exit is going to
createsuch a genocide that will make the past one a joke.
It is very sad for Baganda have decided to take
us the Rwanda hate trip and it is to the rest of Ugandans to fight it tooth
and knail to see that it never succeeds.
It is also interesting that now you have
started to note that Kezio Musoke's family was butchered, and you continue
"Meanwhile Nyeko will carry on hating
Musoke, while he tries to build a small house in Kyengera"
Well The Kezio Musoke I know is a Musoga, did we have a
genocide in Busoga as well, and if we had a genocide in Busoga as you seem
to state today, why would the repercussion be in Kyengera?
Mwaami Nume it is time we start to think about
Uganda as a nation, it is called nationalism.
Em
Toronto
The Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni,
Uganda is in
anarchy"
Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est
dans l'anarchie"
- Original Message -
From:
Simon Nume
To: The First Virtual Network for friends of
Uganda
Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:14
AM
Subject: RE: [Ugnet] UGANDA DIRTY
SECRET IN WAR UNVEILED , ('KONY'= UPDF)
Mulindwa
When the truth ever comes out, it will be revealed that real genocide
took place in Uganda.
In order to understand HOW this genocide was perpetrated, one has to
understand the preparations andearlier genocides which took place
[Ugnet] utterances of a derranged mind Kaguta!!!
The utterances of a derranged mind no doubt..apparently it takes the son of Kaguta 20 years solid to perfect his ARMY. The fact is that Twon COO Joseph KONY checked your behind. ALl you can do is make NOISE in the comfort of Kampala...like a typical coward which you are. Your UPDF forces killed our people and blamed KONY. many would argue that KONY has given you and your Military dictatorship a "soft landing" refuse the peace talks and observer what will happen on your behind!!! That UPDF NRA you are still showing off with WILL fall as a house of cards!! Kuma Yokoo!Matek Uganda: Kony a Traitor - MuseveniEmail This Page Print This Page New Vision (Kampala) November 14, 2006Posted to the web November 14, 2006 Milton OlupotKampala PRESIDENT Yoweri Museveni has described LRA rebel leader Joseph Kony as a traitor. "Kony is a traitor and a criminal. Over the last 19 years, he has tried to kill as many Ugandans as possible. If it was not for the NRM/UPDF, he would have killed hundreds of thousands of Ugandans," Museveni said in a statement on Monday. He, however, said although initially under-equipped and under-manned, the UPDF had not allowed Kony to kill as many people as he had wanted. "Nevertheless, he carried out a number of massacres in Atiak, Muchwini, Barlonyo, etc, without counting the individual killings. He abducted many, raped many young girls, infecting them with HIV/AIDS, mutilated many and caused the internal displacement of two million people at the height of his terrorist campaign," he said. Museveni identified two problems that hindered UPDF from defeating the LRA, as President Joseph Kabila's government in Congo failing to evict Kony or allowing the UPDF to hunt him in Garamba and the UN forces in Congo not being able to do it either. "When H.E. Salva Kiir, therefore, proposed a new attempt at peace talks, I agreed because of Congo and the UN giving a safe haven to Kony. I also thought that Otti and Kony, having tasted the serious pressure we had put them under, had understood the dangers to themselves and would use this chance to come out of their criminality. "No sooner had the peace talks started than all sorts of liars and charlatans descended on Juba and caused a lot of confusion. Some were opportunistically trying to give the impression that they are the ones to bring peace," he added. He said the Acellam-Kwoyelo-Dominic group that tried to cross River Nile was repeatedly blocked by the UPDF south of Juba and the SPLA north of Juba. "In the process, the UPDF killed 17 terrorists, foiling their plan to link up with Kony in Garamba," Museveni said. "This clarifies one message to them. The days of playing with UPDF are over. There is no trick you will play that you will get away with. If you continue disturbing peace, you will perish because the UPDF's capacity is now almost complete," he said.Relevant LinksEast Africa Uganda Peacekeeping and Conflict Resolution On the Karimojong cattle rustlers, the President said a large number of them had been killed in Kaabong and Kotido since October 29. "Bring back the guns and live a peaceful life, otherwise, you will go to jail or even die. The army will guarantee the property of the people against the rustlers from Sudan (Topotha) and Kenya (Pokot and Turkana). "Those who the army has not caught up with yet should report with their guns. I give them my word, no action will be taken against them. However, if they continue to hold illegal guns, they will be hunted and captured or killed if they resist." Sponsored Link Get an Online or Campus degree - Associate's, Bachelor's, or Master's - in less than one year.___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
Re: [Ugnet] UPDF flee war front, 500 arrested in 'Panda Gari' Operation
MulindwaI understand from those who have met you that you are no youth and you are YEARS older than me. So dont go into the age thing as you yourself may be pensioned off. Your urguments abount Pand aGrai are strange. Peole who disappeared under Panda Gari died under Obote 2 's watch.You may have more finite details but for those who lost people every morning, it was Obote Obote and nobody else Now if you have Bwiino.NumeEdward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Simon NumeYou see that is the kind of lie I really refuse to stomach, Panda Gali came to Uganda when Obotewas in Tanzania, Panda Gali was started by the Museveni's before Obote stepped into Bushenyi, in fact if you followed Uganda issues there was an argument blaming Obote for not stopping it when he was elected into government. That is the fact. Now today you are taking us to be little kids that were not in Uganda, and who were not following Uganda issues. How did Obote start Panda Gali in Uganda when we had it as he was in Tanzania? Nume you have every right to hate the man but stop peddling such lies.You know and that is what makes me really pissed for now Obote started Panda Gali in Uganda has become an accepted lie as Obote poisoned Mutesa. We need to start to grow up men and start with new ideas, ideas by young people which will make Buganda face this century. For one wonders why Kasangwawo today has old crap like Mulira to back his argument. Doesn't Buganda produce any youths? Do we still have to listen to the Mulira's and Mayanja Nkangi's? What knew idea do they have at that age?But you see with thinking like Nume's Senior citizens can run Buganda to their grave/s.Em TorontoThe Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"- Original Message - From: Simon Nume To: The First Virtual Network for friends of Uganda Sent: Tuesday, November 14, 2006 5:21 AM Subject: Re: [Ugnet] UPDF flee war front,500 arrested in 'Panda Gari' Operation MulindwaI fail to understand your point. Obote brought Panda Gari and now its being done in Gulu. The point here is that a killing method once used in Kampala is being used in Gulu twenty years later.Whose fault is this ? Kansangwawo ?? Edward Mulindwa [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: KasangwawoMunange ojjukira omusajja oli Obote omu Northerner eyaleeta Panda Gali e Uganda? Kale kirungi twamuwona munange.Em TorontoThe Mulindwas Communication Group"With Yoweri Museveni, Uganda is in anarchy" Groupe de communication Mulindwas "avec Yoweri Museveni, l'Ouganda est dans l'anarchie"- Original Message - From: Matek Opoko To: ugandanet@kym.net ; [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Sunday, November 12, 2006 9:48 PM Subject: [Ugnet] UPDF flee war front, 500 arrested in 'Panda Gari' Operation UPDF flee war front, 500 arrested in 'Panda Gari' Operation Aswa Times correspondent in Gulu UPDF soldiers caught in action fleeing from battle front wit LRA in Northern Uganda. ABOUT 500 soldiers, UPDF deserters and civilians were arrested in a night Panda Gari on Independence Day in Gulu town. The UPDF, police and Local Councils carried out the operation that started at around 3am and ended at 7:30am on Tuesday. Two SMG guns and several rounds of ammunitions were recovered in the early morning joint operation. Soldiers and idlers that included drunkards and newspaper vendors were arrested. The northern Regional Army Spokesman, Lt. Chris Magezi, yesterday confirmed that hundreds of UPDF soldiers, deserters and idlers were arrested on Monday in a joint mop up operation. The screening is still going on. So far, we have managed to get dozens of UPDF soldiers whom we have detained at our cells. We have handed the civilians to the police, he said.Magezi said the UPDF deserters would appear before the army court this week on charges of dissertation and Away without official leave (AWOL). Gulu District Police Commander, Mr Yasiin Ndimwibo, said only five civilians had be handed to the police by press time. The operation followed concerns by Gulu Municipal authorities that there was high crime rate in the town suburbs. It is not uncommon that hundreds of UPDF soldiers flee the battle front with LRA and take refugee in town and particularly in the slums in civilian dressing and in the night they commit lots of atrocities on the civilians, which the military swiftly blames on LRA rebels. It is this flight from the war front which created the Ghost Soldiers Scandal (GSS) in which UPDF officers made millions of Shillings paying ghost soldiers. A number of senior military officers whose personal loyalty to President Museveni was questionable have been court martial, while his sycophants have been forgiven. [ENDS]
[Ugnet] *DHR* BOSCO RWIYAMIRIRAIKIRUNGA KIRACIRA, INKONTANYI ZIKAKIZIMYA(For Seth Karekezi)
Dear Seth Karekezi, Nasomye urwandiko rwawe!Nifuje kugusubiza.Tugira ngo IKIRUNGA KIRACIRA ,INKOTANYI TUKAZIKIZIMYA.Mu kyongereza bikavuga ko THE VULCANO ERUPT AND THE INKOTANYI'S EXTINGUISH IT.It is simple as that...! No more..! I am calling for a public and fair trial for Bosco RWIYAMILIRA.As I am writing right now the Head of State is aware about it.I SHARANGABO RUFAGARI will be the INKOTANYI who will fight for the orphans,the widows,the poors,I will make sure that the Ideal of Fred RWIGEMA and even PAUL KAGAME will be lived up...This is our destiny.A great Rwanda for all of us. I am calling for a public and LIVE radio and TV broadcasting of BOSCO RWIYAMILIRA trial.We do not have much to fear from him.Some of us do remember how he took care HARROY.Do not be worry! I will handle him...! I met BOSCO in 1984 for the first time in Brussels.I was very young then.I remember sitting with him in a CAFE and he was telling me that one day we will return to Rwanda.I had told him about my miltary experiences with Mobutu son's.I tought that this guy was out of his mind then.Years latter our brothers and sisters had crossed the RUBICON and guess what BOSCO was with them.The other day I laughed very much to hear from KAGIRANEZA that he use to care with "IKIBANDO" as a military police.Narasestse Pe! Ntidutinya IKIRUNGA KIRUKA.Reka duhe BOSCO ijambo.Nimuhumure nzamuzimya! When I was young I admired BOSCO RWIYAMILIRA after I got older BOSCO RWIYAMILIRA admired me.That what he told me on the President KAGAME banquet in Montreal. For now I am calling on all Rwandans regardless political affiliation to get together and to look after his childrens who do not know where daddy has gone.I therefore request from all of you to get in touch with ETIENNE MASOZERA in Ottawa at this e-mail adress [EMAIL PROTECTED] Let all of us show that INKOTANYI'S have heart.INKOTANYI'S zigira imbabazi,INKOTANYI'S zikunda Abanyarwanda,INKOTANYI zirengera INFUBYI.Niwo murage zahawaye. Let all stand for justice. Reply | Forward Message #112931 of 112948 Prev | Next Next Re: [rwanda-l] CALLING FOR BOSCO RWIYAMIRIRA PUBLIC TRIAL(On Tv and Radio) Mr Sharangabo, Rwiyamirira is a Rwandan like others.His case though iam not well versed with it, is no way very special from other cases that have ever been tried in Rwanda, for this i dont see any reason as to why it should be given all this special attention, after all it only known by netters, friends and relatives. It is not known by a big number of people in Kigali or entirely in Rwanda.he shall be tried like any ohter Rwandan citzen who has ever had a case like this. Cheers, Sethsharangabo rufagari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Dear friends and netters, I am calling for a public trial of BOSCO RWIYAMIRIRA which should be broadcast via the radio and television in Rwanda.I know that we will be on the spotlight as the accused person will became the accuser on the stand. Neverthless,let go on!The nation has been woundeed!Let get over it!Let Bosco explain to us publicaly why such patriotic guy as he was went astray! I know many of us will be hurted!But let face the people.Anyaway we will have to face them one day. I refuse to make some back room deals.I want BOSCO RWIYAMILRA to be tried LIVE on TV and Radio. So our consciences and soul for the good of the People of Rwanda will be TRANQUILLE as we says in french. Sharangabo Rufagari sharangabo rufagari [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:Dear friends and netters, I am calling for a public trial of BOSCO RWIYAMIRIRA which should be broadcast via the radio and television in Rwanda.I know that we will be on the spotlight as the accused person will became the accuser on the stand. Neverthless,let go on!The nation has been woundeed!Let get over it!Let Bosco explain to us publicaly why such patriotic guy as he was went astray! I know many of us will be hurted!But let face the people.Anyaway we will have to face them one day. I refuse to make some back room deals.I want BOSCO RWIYAMILRA to be tried LIVE on TV and Radio. So our consciences and soul for the good of the People of Rwanda will be TRANQUILLE as we says in french. Sharangabo Rufagari Share your photos with the people who matter at Yahoo! Canada Photos Sharangabo Rufagari All new Yahoo! Mail - Get a sneak peak at messages with a handy reading pane. __._,_.___ Les messages publiés sur DHR n'engagent que la responsabilité de leurs auteurs. CONSIDERATION, TOLERANCE, PATIENCE AND MUTUAL RESPECT towards the reinforcement of GOOD GOVERNANCE,DEMOCRACY and HUMAN RIGHTS in our states. Liability and Responsibility: You are legally responsible, and solely responsible, for any content that you post to DHR. You may only post materials that you have the right or permission to
[Ugnet] *DHR* BE THE WARRIOR.(PAUL KAGAME)
sharangabo rufagari Be the WarriorThe warrior is tough in loyalty, intensity, determination, bearing, initiative, endurance, courage and strength of will.The warrior is soft in calmness, self-confidence and compassion.The warrior is frequently called upon to step forward when most gladly step back.Warriors exist on the battlefield and in daily life.People may react to you rudely, selfishly and with malice. Be courteous anyway.Those you help may whine and offer no thanks. Help them anyway.Your honest words may be challenged and ridiculed. Speak anyway.Success may involve many mistakes and disappointments. Succeed anyway.Your donations may seem too small to matter. Give anyway.A warrior is a master, ever prepared to improve and to be of service to others Sharangabo Rufagari Now you can have a huge leap forward in email: get the new Yahoo! Mail. __._,_.___ Les messages publiés sur DHR n'engagent que la responsabilité de leurs auteurs. CONSIDERATION, TOLERANCE, PATIENCE AND MUTUAL RESPECT towards the reinforcement of GOOD GOVERNANCE,DEMOCRACY and HUMAN RIGHTS in our states. Liability and Responsibility: You are legally responsible, and solely responsible, for any content that you post to DHR. You may only post materials that you have the right or permission to distribute electronically. The owner of DHR cannot and does not guarantee the accuracy of any statements made in or materials posted to the group by participants. Maître Innocent TWAGIRAMUNGU DHR FOUNDEROWNER Tél.mobile: 0032- 495 48 29 21 UT UNUM SINT BE NICE TO PEOPLE ON YOUR WAY UP, BECAUSE YOU MIGHT MEET THEM ON YOUR WAY DOWN. Jimmy DURANTE. COMBATTONS la haine SANS complaisance, PARTOUT et avec Toute ENERGIE!! Let's rather prefer Peace, Love , Hope and Life, and get together as one!!! Inno TWAGIRA Vos options mail : Mail individuel|Traditionnel Modifier vos options par le Web ((Compte Yahoo! requis) Modifier vos options par mail : Activer lenvoi groupé | Activer le format Texte riche Visitez votre groupe | Conditions dutilisation Yahoo! | Désinscription __,_._,___ ___ Ugandanet mailing list Ugandanet@kym.net http://kym.net/mailman/listinfo/ugandanet % UGANDANET is generously hosted by INFOCOM http://www.infocom.co.ug/ The above comments and data are owned by whoever posted them (including attachments if any). The List's Host is not responsible for them in any way. ---
[Ugnet] TONNY BLAIR FLIPPING BACK WARDS
Blair wants shunned nations to help solve Iraq fiasco By Andrew Grice and Rupert Cornwell in Washington Published:14 November 2006 Tony Blair has urged George Bush to make a dramatic U-turn by drawing Iran and Syria into efforts to bring stability to Iraq and forge a long-term peace in the wider Middle East. The Prime Minister joined a clamour in Washington for the US President to drop his hardline approach towards what he regards as two rogue states. In his annual foreign affairs speech to the Lord Mayor's Banquet last night, Mr Blair offered Iran a "clear strategic choice" - a partnership if it stops supporting terrorism in Lebanon and Iraq and accepts its international obligations, or isolation if it did not. His advisers said the same choice applied to Syria. Mr Blair's spokesman denied his call meant a softening of British policy, which has always been keener on dialogue with Tehran and Damascus than the Bush administration, and would not involve concessions to the two nations. But he added that this was a "moment when people are rethinking policy, and the time to articulate a way forward". Bringing both Iran and Syria in from the cold is likely to be one of the key recommendations of the Iraq Study Group, led by James Baker, the former US secretary of state, which is reviewing Iraq policy. It is also backed by Robert Gates, who will take over from Donald Rumsfeld as the US Defence Secretary after the Republicans' drubbing in last week's congressional elections. MPs believe Mr Blair is seeking to exert leverage on President Bush over the Middle East at a time when he is weakened domestically and the influence of his neoconservative allies has waned. One Labour source described next month's Study Group report as Mr Bush's "get out of jail card". It is also likely to call for a phased withdrawal of foreign troops from Iraq. Mr Blair will reinforce his message today when he gives evidence to the Baker panel for an hour by video-link. But there are signs that the Prime Minister and the President are at odds over Iran and Syria, with Mr Bush declaring that Iran must first halt its nuclear programme. "If Iranians want to have a dialogue, they must verifiably suspend their enrichment activities," he said. Yesterday Mr Bush met nine of the 10 members of Mr Baker's group. White House officials described the session merely as "a conversation" in which both sides had shared their views, and played down expectations the group might come up with a magic formula to restore stability to Iraq and allow the US to withdraw its troops. But the pressures on Mr Bush to do precisely that intensified as a leading Democrat in the Senate demanded a change of course. "We must start a phased redeployment of US troops ... within four to six months," said Carl Levin, who is set to take over as chairman of the powerful Senate Armed Services Committee. "We cannot save the Iraqis from themselves." In his speech at Guildhall, Mr Blair hinted at changes in Iraq policy, saying: "Just as the situation is evolving, so our strategy should evolve to meet it." He called for strong political efforts, led by the Iraqi government, to build up Iraq's governing capability, and the plugging of any gaps in training, equipment and command and control in the Iraqi army, while rooting out sectarianism in the police. But he argued that a major part of the answer lay in "a whole Middle East" strategy. The starting point had to be Israel and Palestine, then Lebanon, and then an effort to unite all moderate Arab and Muslim voices behind a push for peace in those countries and Iraq. Accusing Iran of "using the pressure points in the region to thwart us" he said it had helped the most extreme elements of Hamas in Palestine, Hizbollah in Lebanon, and the Shia militias in Iraq. "That way, they put obstacles in the path to peace, paint us, as they did over the Israel/Lebanon conflict, as the aggressors, inflame the Arab street and create political turmoil in our democratic politics," he said. The Prime Minister insisted that the alliances Britain has with America and within Europe must remain the cornerstones of its policy in a changing world. He said none of Britain's vital concerns internationally could be addressed without America's support. "We need America. That is a fact," he said. "Europe gives us weight and strength. In fact, in my view, Europe should be far more confident about its potential." To critics demanding a more independent British foreign policy, he replied: "In today's world a foreign policy based on strong alliances is the only British policy which works." The Conservatives described hopes of a breakthrough with Iran and Syria as naive, but the Liberal Democrats welcomed the call, saying it was in their interest to avoid a civil war in Iraq. Tony Blair has urged George Bush to make a dramatic U-turn by drawing Iran and Syria into efforts to bring stability to Iraq and
[Ugnet] Re: [UNAANET] Re: Museveni defends forest allocation Tri Star
Annual General Meeting Tri Star Speech by M.D, Mr. Gananathan: Board of Directors and Shareholders of Tri Star, Our Audited Financial statements for the last three yeras have been certified by Salim Saleh, Certified Fraud Star.. I mean Examiner. The company has earned $12m in the last 3 years. Total expenses amount to $20m. There was no net loss because Uganda has made a name in USA. In fact we made a big contribution or rather profits because the venture has profiteered the important stake holders.Our responsibility was to the stake holders, to miximize their earnings per directive made. Notes attached to the Audited Financial Statements: 1. Armotization: There was no armotization to Fixed Assets because: LAnd and buildings belongs to peasant Coffee farmers who contributed by being taxed on their coffee produce.The Chairman,as a trustee, donated this land and buildings to the Company. Machery was not depreciated because it was bought from Loans that were guaranteed by Bank of Uganda through the trustee\ Chairman.The guarantor is so happy that he forgave the loans and will pay from money saved from Buganda Kingdom Assets plus taxes on Bankubakyeyo remitances. Lastly, the Auditors have recommended not to armotize any other Assets because the company is in no going concern category. 2. A dividend of $12m has been declared and paid out in foreign currency to the stake holders. 3. Liquidity has never been a problem even in these tight monetary policies. We've outcompeted our local competitors thanks to our Chairman who is also the Trustee to the Privatization consolidated fund. This fund is idle and belongs to nobody. end of speech. 4. 95% of the Current assets are Inventory in transit. Lots of bales of cotton have been imported from SriLanka and Abacha family. On arrival to Kisumu port, the bales will be transported by Uganda ferry whose risk assessment level is red because its not insured. Chairman's report: I the Chairman of tri Star, owuld like to thank the management of Tri Star for the work well done. 1st,The company earned 12m, I repeat: 12m in the last 3 years! Moreover from USA! Thats Historical! This has put Uganda on the map by saling that much to USA! 2ndly, 1500 girls were trainied by this investor, Gananathan. Now we have a pool of skilled labour. Moreover the company created a surplus of 1300 skilled girls who are now idle and ready to work. we've made a name! We can now boast of having a skilled labour market that can make garments of high international standards. Among the achievements, Uganda has the biggest market for Mivumba.Imagine some of these mivumba from USA have labels made in Uganda, by Try Star Thats a big of publicity! You know those countries are cold and people must wear cotton fabrics. We have hot weather, thats why many of our rural peasants have wear clothes with holes in the Southern Uganda, and no clothes in hot Karamoja! Beech ware and sunbathing is throught the year. The company's next strategy is to clear the remaining Mabira forest, Entebbe Botanical gardens, Bwindi and Kiryadongo forests to plant more cotton and graze more cattle. A Developed Uganda must be grey, like NewYork City. When these white people see lots of green trees they think we sleep on trees. Enjoy your Xmas dear members. Ssenyange --- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: [UNAANET] Re: Museveni defends forest allocation Date: Tue, 14 Nov 2006 21:15:36 -0500 Mw Musoke Your statement about Obote's move to the left is called a straw man argument. In order to buttress a weak position, you have constructed a feeble rhetorical opponent which you then proceed to knock down. Be assured, Mr Musoke, the move to the left was never worth discussing. What Ugandans should examine in this matter is the industrial and commercial policy adopted by Governor Cohen in the early 1950s, which was followed by the Uganda govt up to 1965. This policy was based on the fact that the govt, combining legislative power with being the biggest purchaser, can encourage the formation and progress of strong local enterprises. These enterprises can be publicly owned, private, or a combination of the two, but they must be locally based, because locally based wealth is the key to a strong local market. Cohen's model organisation, the Uganda Development Corporation, was designed to float enterprises and sell them off to private ownership as rapidly as possible through a stock market (believe it or not, Uganda had a functioning stock market from 1954 to 1972). The UDC's progress was halted when the govt started to use it as a source of patronage jobs in the early 60s, but the model of growth by government nurture is the basis of the success of Singapore (the champion of progress from Third to First World
