Re: Bug in the folders?
hi On XP I just noticed you cannot even create a folder with a preceding space char thru the desktop (it gets removed) but can create them with rev.. learn something new every day :) regards alex Sarah Reichelt wrote: On 3/23/07, Sivakatirswami [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: 2.8 mac osx 10.4.9 I think I hit a bug .. the folders is skipping any folder that begins with a space. this is something new (our team tends to put spaces at the beginning of folder names to force to the top. Whether this is best practice or not is a separate issue. It works fine for me, but I'm on a PPC Mac. Maybe it's an Intel problem? ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Bug in the folders?
Dear Sivakatirswami For what its worth: On Mac OS X all sorts of things go wrong when one uses folders with spaces (either leading or otherwise) in their names. It was impossible to install the RunRev Beta tests into any folders with spaces in their names (Mac OS 10.4.8) So, how much of this is RunRev in itself, and how much this is something to do with the operating system I wouldn't like to say. Having said that, I just made a stack with one button with the script: on mouseUp create folderTHREESPACES set the defaultFolder to (the defaultFolder / THREESPACES) export snapShot to file Test.jpg as JPEG end mouseUp AND, surprise, surprise: it made me a folder inside my RR folder called THREESPACES and after I selected my area to be snapped it saved the Test.jpg inside that folder! sincerely, Richmond Mathewson A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ Now you can scan emails quickly with a reading pane. Get the new Yahoo! Mail. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Auto scaling image object.
Hi, All. I have image object, and set image by text property (set the text of image). But size of image object changes to size of source image. How can I set the source image auto scale to size of image object? Thanks! -- Best regards, Kirill Pekarov Software Engineer Associate Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - The Ultra-Fast Database http://www.valentina-db.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bug in the folders?
On 23 Mar 2007, at 09:14, Richmond Mathewson wrote: For what its worth: On Mac OS X all sorts of things go wrong when one uses folders with spaces (either leading or otherwise) in their names. For what it's worth, the only time I've ever had problems with spaces in folder names on OS X is forgetting to escape them in shell commands. Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: must externals be written in only in C/C++ ?
Hi, If you can get the header generated so that it can be identified correctly then it should work in any language. The project I am working on uses a library that is written in Pascal. I used FreePascal to compile it then included it into a C/C++ Wrapper XCode Project. The C/C++ layer just coverts the parametesr received from RunRev and calsl the appropriate function(s) in the Pascal Library. This works pretty well although it's harder to Debug, but a lot better option than converting the Library from Pascal to C/C++. All the Best Dave On 23 Mar 2007, at 01:12, Bernard Devlin wrote: I'm just wondering if they can be written e.g. using FreePascal (it seems to have performance lying in the range between C and C++ and it is cross-platform). Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bug in the folders?
What about using '_' to force them to the top? Don't use '.' as it's reserved for System files/folders. Other than that there's prefixing them with numbers, like '001'. I use something like to trace folder dates from their names. Cheers, Luis. Ian Wood wrote: On 23 Mar 2007, at 09:14, Richmond Mathewson wrote: For what its worth: On Mac OS X all sorts of things go wrong when one uses folders with spaces (either leading or otherwise) in their names. For what it's worth, the only time I've ever had problems with spaces in folder names on OS X is forgetting to escape them in shell commands. Ian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Installing Ubuntu on USB pendrive
If anyone's into heavy data transfer, or has a large database attached to their USB boot OS app, I've found a shop here in London (YoYo Tech, in Windmill Street, just off Tottenham Court Road) that does 16GB USB sticks (Corsair brand) for £101. Website is www.yoyotech.co.uk Remember to reformat the drives before use. Cheers, Luis. Bob Warren wrote: If you would like Ubuntu on a pendrive, there's no need to install it yourself. You can get one (1GB) for $31.99 at: http://store.madtux.org/product_info.php?products_id=252osCsid=36ecf0 Bob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Rev 2.8.0 gm4 is out!
Thought I'd let you know. Cheers, Luis. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Auto scaling image object.
Just check the Lock Size checkbox in the size and position panel in the Property Inspector for the image object. Hope this Helps All the Best Dave On 23 Mar 2007, at 09:16, Kirill Pekarov wrote: Hi, All. I have image object, and set image by text property (set the text of image). But size of image object changes to size of source image. How can I set the source image auto scale to size of image object? Thanks! -- Best regards, Kirill Pekarov Software Engineer Associate Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - The Ultra-Fast Database http://www.valentina-db.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 2.8.0 gm4 is out!
Hi, Is this a regular download, e.g. just from the www.runrev.com download web page? Oh and do you know how can you check the version number before you install it? Thanks a lot All the Best Dave On 23 Mar 2007, at 11:22, Luis wrote: Thought I'd let you know. Cheers, Luis. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 2.8.0 gm4 is out!
Hiya, I got it by checking for updates within RunRev. It gives you the version (2.8.0 gm4). After installing it asks you whether you want to make it the default version. I'd then recommend restarting it. Cheers, Luis. Dave wrote: Hi, Is this a regular download, e.g. just from the www.runrev.com download web page? Oh and do you know how can you check the version number before you install it? Thanks a lot All the Best Dave On 23 Mar 2007, at 11:22, Luis wrote: Thought I'd let you know. Cheers, Luis. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
group horizontal scrollbar movement
Anyone know if there is a reason why clicking on the arrows on a horizontal scrollbar on a group moves the thumb AWAY from the arrow you clicked on? (Windows + Rev 2.8) JC ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re[2]: Auto scaling image object.
Hi, Dave. Just check the Lock Size checkbox in the size and position panel in the Property Inspector for the image object. Hope this Helps Yes, thank a lot! -- Best regards, Kirill Pekarov Software Engineer Associate Paradigma Software, Inc Valentina - The Ultra-Fast Database http://www.valentina-db.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
On 22 Mar 2007, at 18:29, Richard Gaskin wrote: Dave continued: I suppose my point is that in order to have a beta test, you need to have gone thru the steps to get there. It's no good producing mountains of code, doing little or no testing at the development phase and then throwing that out for beta. With 20/20 hindsight it's easy to suggest that stress testing would have found this leak, and indeed it might well have. But I don't think it would be a cost-effective practice for RunRev to adopt across this product. In the ten years I've been working with this engine this is the first verified leak I've seen. Let's be generous and say that maybe one or two others might have been discovered in that time. Even then, over a decade that's really quite good -- and accomplished without automated stress testing. There were three problems, the leak was just one of them. The export command appears to work well when run once or even a dozen times. Unit testing should always be done, and in this case would yield a good result. Only a sustained test with a great many iterations will expose this specific problem, and only in the Rev IDE. The leak doesn't exist in a standalone or in other IDEs, and since some issues may be specific to standalones it would be necessary to run any soak tests in at least those two environments. Not really if you were to write files 1 to 300 you would hit it at 288 and I had it happen earlier than that to start with. In fact the memory leak would be visible straight away, all you have to do is run once it and look at the memory allocations. And because Rev supports multiple operating systems, each with differing APIs and idiosyncrasies, each of those two tests would need to be run on all supported OSes. Here we already have a combinatorial explosion of test scenarios: 2 engines X Win 98, Win2K, WinME, WinXP, Vista, Mac OS 9, OS X 10.2, OS X 10.3, OS X 10.4, at least one Linux, and for anything that involves QT multiply 9 of those by the number of supported QT versions. That's 20 tests without QT, and just for one command. Agreed. To test it all those platforms would be hard. But in this case it just needed to be tested on the development machine of the person doing the coding and stressed for a lot of operations. I do this automatically without even thinking about it. I agree that you'd have to run it under the IDE and as a Standalone. To start with you just run it in the IDE, then at some point when you feel the time is right you build a standalone. To build a standalone for Mac and Windows takes literally seconds and in the case of the export snapshot the tests take 2 minutes to run. Consider all the effort to design, build, and run these tests, release after release, year after year, and after a decade of that we might turn up a leak or two and maybe a relative handful of other errors of the sort which can be exposed through that specific form of testing. Took me 10 minutes to build the test for the export snapshot command and 2 minutes to run it. On the first part I was working on (last week) it took me 30 minutes to build the tests and about the same to run the tests. I then ran it at least once a day (after I'd added/ changed things) to make sure I hadn't broken something. Another problem here is that people may have different ideas on what Beta means and I haven't seen it defined in terms of RunRev. One company I worked for defined it as meaning Feature Complete, No Known Crashing Bugs. That's the ideal, but I've known no company that ships every Beta in a state that meets that definition. Well, I've beta tested Photoshop and I AFAIK there were no known crashing bugs and AFAIR it was feature complete. I've participated in tests for Adobe, Microsoft, Apple, Oracle, and others who have shipped Betas while still developing new features. Feature Complete was just the way that company did it, I've also seen that beta versions that still being developed. I was trying to find out what beta meant in the wonderful world of RunRev. That you're able to run stress tests on all features and identify 100% of requirements to complete satisfaction before your first Beta is quite an accomplishment, Could you tell me where I said that? I run Stress Tests while developing my software as for requirements and when Beta testing is performed is up to the company I am working for in this case. In the past I have worked where this was the case though. However stress testing is not an accomplishment at all it's really easy, that's why I really can't see why you are going on about it, I do it without even thinking about it! In fact I was absolutely gobsmacked that you were surprised that this was my way of working. and we look forward to URLs of the products you ship so we can all learn how to improve the quality of our own work. Now
Re: Rev 2.8.0 gm4 is out!
Hi, I can't seem to find the Check for Updates command! Where does it live?? Thanks a lot All the Best Dave On 23 Mar 2007, at 11:55, Luis wrote: Hiya, I got it by checking for updates within RunRev. It gives you the version (2.8.0 gm4). After installing it asks you whether you want to make it the default version. I'd then recommend restarting it. Cheers, Luis. Dave wrote: Hi, Is this a regular download, e.g. just from the www.runrev.com download web page? Oh and do you know how can you check the version number before you install it? Thanks a lot All the Best Dave On 23 Mar 2007, at 11:22, Luis wrote: Thought I'd let you know. Cheers, Luis. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 2.8.0 gm4 is out!
Hiya, Mine's in the top menu dropdown 'Help/Check for Updates...' on OS X. Cheers, Luis. Dave wrote: Hi, I can't seem to find the Check for Updates command! Where does it live?? Thanks a lot All the Best Dave On 23 Mar 2007, at 11:55, Luis wrote: Hiya, I got it by checking for updates within RunRev. It gives you the version (2.8.0 gm4). After installing it asks you whether you want to make it the default version. I'd then recommend restarting it. Cheers, Luis. Dave wrote: Hi, Is this a regular download, e.g. just from the www.runrev.com download web page? Oh and do you know how can you check the version number before you install it? Thanks a lot All the Best Dave On 23 Mar 2007, at 11:22, Luis wrote: Thought I'd let you know. Cheers, Luis. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: error in function handler revPaletteObjects
On 3/22/07, Ralf Bitter [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: the cCurrentObject property is set on openField. If you make a copy of your stack and move it to another directory the property will not be updated because of the following line in the revPaletteObjects function: if the cCurrentObject of the target is not empty then return the cCurrentObject of the target Thanks Ralf for taking the time to reply. It still begs the question as to what are the likely ramifications of having cCurrentObject store the 'old' file path rather than the current file path? I notice 'archiving' features in programs such as Galaxy don't seem to do anything special, all the current 'archives' I have the cCurrentObject doesn't point to the archive file, but to the 'working' file. Also, my assumption that at some stage cCurrentObject must be updated at some stage (have no idea when) is based on the fact that, as mentioned earlier I start my scripting day by duplicating the project I'm working on and giving it a new version number. As I look back at some of those, most, but not all have cCurrentObject that reflect their proper file path. I wouldn't normally worry too much about this as my stacks are working fine, but I'm just starting to see some strange behaviour in the Variable Watcher since 2.8.0 gm3. Thanks ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev 2.8.0 gm4 is out!
Thanks, found it now. Cheers Dave On 23 Mar 2007, at 12:55, Luis wrote: Hiya, Mine's in the top menu dropdown 'Help/Check for Updates...' on OS X. Cheers, Luis. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Runtime Revolution Partners with Audio Companies Mojo Audio and Meshbox Music
Luis- Thursday, March 22, 2007, 3:58:47 PM, you wrote: He he... 'sounds like'... he he... :) groan -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: unicodeText problem with Japanese
Nicolas, I'm not sure what's causing your problems. Could it be related to this bug? http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3614 Kenji Kojima is the expert in unicode kanji issues. You might try contacting him--his email address is in the bug report. He also hangs out on the list from time to time. If anyone can help you solve your problem Kenji can. Devin On Mar 22, 2007, at 8:03 PM, Nicolas Cueto wrote: Thank you to Devin for the replace with uniencode idea, but after trying it out the result was that a large portion of the original text disappeared. However, my bigger problem is not the end-of-line character, but rather what to do about the effect one particular Japanese kanji is having on the text. Namely, that though I can see the line bearing that kanji as one line in the field, to scripting functions such as htmlText or unicodeText or even number of lines treat that one line as if it were two. The result being that the problematic line gets cut into two at that particular kanji's position, and the kanji itself becoming transformed into another character. And yet, all the lines before and after that particular line work fine, though. My worry is not how to fix this, but rather not knowing if there are other particular kanji that might result in a similar effect. Incidentally, the final goal is to retrieve the Japanese text file over a network (rather than from a local pc). Are there unicode issues involved in this too? I'm hoping that using write data to socket won't affect the text file itself. Cheers, Nicolas Cueto ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
ARRGHHH!!! MAKE IT STOP, PLEASE! Dave continued: However stress testing is not an accomplishment at all it's really easy, that's why I really can't see why you are going on about it, I do it without even thinking about it! In fact I was absolutely gobsmacked that you were surprised that this was my way of working. and we look forward to URLs of the products you ship so we can all learn how to improve the quality of our own work. Now you're just being silly! How will looking at the products I have worked on help you learn how to improve the quality of your own work? Besides which unless you just happen to have £50,000+ worth of video equipment lying around it wouldn't do you much good! And Apart from all that - I've told you how to do it already! Take Care and All the Best Dave -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
Dave persisted: On 22 Mar 2007, at 18:29, Richard Gaskin wrote: In the ten years I've been working with this engine this is the first verified leak I've seen. Let's be generous and say that maybe one or two others might have been discovered in that time. Even then, over a decade that's really quite good -- and accomplished without automated stress testing. There were three problems, the leak was just one of them. The third problem (garbage collection appearing to only be done at idle) was based on a misunderstanding of results and turned out to have no supporting evidence in this case, as I noted earlier: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2007-March/095651.html That leaves only two, both of which require multiple iterations to be evident. The export command appears to work well when run once or even a dozen times. Unit testing should always be done, and in this case would yield a good result. Only a sustained test with a great many iterations will expose this specific problem, and only in the Rev IDE. The leak doesn't exist in a standalone or in other IDEs, and since some issues may be specific to standalones it would be necessary to run any soak tests in at least those two environments. Not really if you were to write files 1 to 300 you would hit it at 288 and I had it happen earlier than that to start with. Agreed: more than 288 iterations would be needed to see that problem. In fact the memory leak would be visible straight away, all you have to do is run once it and look at the memory allocations. That memory fluctuates while a program is running is normal. The cumulative effect in which some of that memory isn't released is only evident with multiple iterations. Consider all the effort to design, build, and run these tests, release after release, year after year, and after a decade of that we might turn up a leak or two and maybe a relative handful of other errors of the sort which can be exposed through that specific form of testing. Took me 10 minutes to build the test for the export snapshot command and 2 minutes to run it. On the first part I was working on (last week) it took me 30 minutes to build the tests and about the same to run the tests. I then ran it at least once a day (after I'd added/ changed things) to make sure I hadn't broken something. Hindsight. I'm sure you're aware that good soak tests commonly run far longer than 2 minutes, and in most cases for good reason. That this one isolated case was discoverable in less is as much of an anomaly as the rarity of the bug itself. Another problem here is that people may have different ideas on what Beta means and I haven't seen it defined in terms of RunRev. One company I worked for defined it as meaning Feature Complete, No Known Crashing Bugs. That's the ideal, but I've known no company that ships every Beta in a state that meets that definition. Well, I've beta tested Photoshop and I AFAIK there were no known crashing bugs and AFAIR it was feature complete. You wrote Known crashing bugs. That would require a level of testing rarely if ever possible in commercial application development. In fact other apps from Adobe (and other large companies as well) have been delivered to Beta with bugs which were discovered to cause crashes, and crashing issues sometimes even survive undetected into final builds. I've participated in tests for Adobe, Microsoft, Apple, Oracle, and others who have shipped Betas while still developing new features. Feature Complete was just the way that company did it, I've also seen that beta versions that still being developed. I was trying to find out what beta meant in the wonderful world of RunRev. It seems their definition is in keeping with industry norms. That you're able to run stress tests on all features and identify 100% of requirements to complete satisfaction before your first Beta is quite an accomplishment, Could you tell me where I said that? The sum of your posts suggest an expectation for other developers of that level of effort. It would seem reasonable that such expectations are at least met in your own shop. I run Stress Tests while developing my software Great. Another 10,000 function points and your work will begin to approach the complexity of Rev. However stress testing is not an accomplishment at all it's really easy ...for small programs, or with selective testing possible only with hindsight. that's why I really can't see why you are going on about it You might review your posts to see where this ongoing discussion of stress testing originated. You're welcome to stop going on about it at any time. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing
Re: group horizontal scrollbar movement
On Mar 23, 2007, at 6:08 AM, John Craig wrote: Anyone know if there is a reason why clicking on the arrows on a horizontal scrollbar on a group moves the thumb AWAY from the arrow you clicked on? (Windows + Rev 2.8) John, Do you have the latest version of 2.8? I seem to recall reading about a scrollbar bug that sounds a lot like this that was fixed in a later version. I can't find it in the bug list just now, however. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
:) ok Guys... you heard the man... I think you've both made your point/s, as thoroughly as is reasonably possible. Its been an interesting discussion. Let this be the last data point, please. Shake hands and agree to differ amicably. Warm Regards, Heather Heather Nagey Customer Services Manager and Listmom Runtime Revolution Ltd http://www.runrev.com On 23 Mar 2007, at 14:37, Stephen Barncard wrote: ARRGHHH!!! MAKE IT STOP, PLEASE! Dave continued: However stress testing is not an accomplishment at all it's really easy, that's why I really can't see why you are going on about it, I do it without even thinking about it! In fact I was absolutely gobsmacked that you were surprised that this was my way of working. and we look forward to URLs of the products you ship so we can all learn how to improve the quality of our own work. Now you're just being silly! How will looking at the products I have worked on help you learn how to improve the quality of your own work? Besides which unless you just happen to have £50,000+ worth of video equipment lying around it wouldn't do you much good! And Apart from all that - I've told you how to do it already! Take Care and All the Best Dave -- Heather Nagey Customer Services Manager Runtime Revolution Ltd http://www.runrev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
Dave wrote: Took me 10 minutes to build the test for the export snapshot command and 2 minutes to run it. And, as it turns out, we were all wrong. There is a leak, and they will fix it, but the reason there is a leak makes perfect sense. The bug I posted about this problem only a day or two ago has already been verified and answered. This is a *strong* recommendation that those of you who don't want to submit reports should change your mind. Since I was the submitter, the respone came directly to my inbox. If Dave had submitted, he'd have received the response instead. Here is what they said, and now that I think of it, I'm almost embarrassed that I didn't think of the reason myself: The memory leak that has been observed here occurs for all forms of 'export snapshot' and any image format - however, it *only* occurs if the alwaysBuffer of the templateImage is set to true. To eliminate the leak: set the alwaysBuffer of the templateImage to false Before using the export command. The setting of this property is set differently in the Revolution and MC IDE's and in standalones (and on Mac OS X and Windows) - explaining the difficulty in reproducing it for some people. While I admit the leak needs to be fixed, the reason for it become obvious; alwaysbuffer reserves memory space for the image in an offscreen buffer. The bug does not show up on some platforms, and the alwaysbuffer setting varies from one IDE to another. It would be difficult to stress-test this bug; it only seems to occur in one very specific circumstance, in only one IDE, and only on one OS. Dave, your original script should work just fine if you change the alwaysbuffer of the templateimage to false. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
On 23 Mar 2007, at 15:00, Richard Gaskin wrote: Dave persisted: On 22 Mar 2007, at 18:29, Richard Gaskin wrote: In the ten years I've been working with this engine this is the first verified leak I've seen. Let's be generous and say that maybe one or two others might have been discovered in that time. Even then, over a decade that's really quite good -- and accomplished without automated stress testing. There were three problems, the leak was just one of them. The third problem (garbage collection appearing to only be done at idle) was based on a misunderstanding of results and turned out to have no supporting evidence in this case, as I noted earlier: http://lists.runrev.com/pipermail/use-revolution/2007-March/ 095651.html That leaves only two, both of which require multiple iterations to be evident. The export command appears to work well when run once or even a dozen times. Unit testing should always be done, and in this case would yield a good result. Only a sustained test with a great many iterations will expose this specific problem, and only in the Rev IDE. The leak doesn't exist in a standalone or in other IDEs, and since some issues may be specific to standalones it would be necessary to run any soak tests in at least those two environments. Not really if you were to write files 1 to 300 you would hit it at 288 and I had it happen earlier than that to start with. Agreed: more than 288 iterations would be needed to see that problem. Not necessarily. For instance others have reported it happening at less. In fact the memory leak would be visible straight away, all you have to do is run once it and look at the memory allocations. That memory fluctuates while a program is running is normal. The cumulative effect in which some of that memory isn't released is only evident with multiple iterations. Not if the memory allocated is large as is the case of images and movies. Consider all the effort to design, build, and run these tests, release after release, year after year, and after a decade of that we might turn up a leak or two and maybe a relative handful of other errors of the sort which can be exposed through that specific form of testing. Took me 10 minutes to build the test for the export snapshot command and 2 minutes to run it. On the first part I was working on (last week) it took me 30 minutes to build the tests and about the same to run the tests. I then ran it at least once a day (after I'd added/ changed things) to make sure I hadn't broken something. Hindsight. I'm sure you're aware that good soak tests commonly run far longer than 2 minutes, and in most cases for good reason. That this one isolated case was discoverable in less is as much of an anomaly as the rarity of the bug itself. I agree, but the Another problem here is that people may have different ideas on what Beta means and I haven't seen it defined in terms of RunRev. One company I worked for defined it as meaning Feature Complete, No Known Crashing Bugs. That's the ideal, but I've known no company that ships every Beta in a state that meets that definition. Well, I've beta tested Photoshop and I AFAIK there were no known crashing bugs and AFAIR it was feature complete. You wrote Known crashing bugs. That would require a level of testing rarely if ever possible in commercial application development. In fact other apps from Adobe (and other large companies as well) have been delivered to Beta with bugs which were discovered to cause crashes, and crashing issues sometimes even survive undetected into final builds. Ok, this is just a language problem. By known, what I meant was that if a crashing bug was reported, it would be fixed before the next beta was released. I've participated in tests for Adobe, Microsoft, Apple, Oracle, and others who have shipped Betas while still developing new features. Feature Complete was just the way that company did it, I've also seen that beta versions that still being developed. I was trying to find out what beta meant in the wonderful world of RunRev. It seems their definition is in keeping with industry norms. Where is that defined? That you're able to run stress tests on all features and identify 100% of requirements to complete satisfaction before your first Beta is quite an accomplishment, Could you tell me where I said that? The sum of your posts suggest an expectation for other developers of that level of effort. It would seem reasonable that such expectations are at least met in your own shop. I was referring to requirements and beta testing. I run Stress Tests while developing my software Great. Another 10,000 function points and your work will begin to approach the complexity of Rev. And if RunRev stress tested while developing they would have a much more solid product.
Re: error in function handler revPaletteObjects
Kay C Lan wrote: It still begs the question as to what are the likely ramifications of having cCurrentObject store the 'old' file path rather than the current file path? I haven't traced the whole IDE for this, but I think cCurrentObject simply stores the object that was last selected. This allows the IDE to set up the property inpsector correctly when you open it, for example. It won't have any bearing on your own stack, it isn't used anywhere except in the IDE. If you select a different object, the property will update itself according to rules I have no idea about. In other words, you could delete this custom property entirely and it would make no difference; if the IDE needs it again, it will simply re-create it. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
Hi, Here is the original script: on doExport local tNum local twID local tFol local tDest local myImageData put text of fld number into tNum put the windowID of this stack into twID put text of fld export folder into tFol if there is not a folder tFol then answer Export folder not found! exit to top end if set the defaultfolder to tFol repeat with x = 1 to (0 + tNum) put F- x .png into tDest put x into field FieldCounter of group GroupCounter set the alwaysBuffer of the templateImage to false --export snapshot from group GroupCounter to file tDest as PNG export snapshot from group GroupCounter to myImageData as PNG end repeat answer Done! end doExport I still get the error at file 289, is this what you thought would happen? Thanks a lot for this All the Best Dave On 23 Mar 2007, at 15:38, J. Landman Gay wrote: Dave wrote: Took me 10 minutes to build the test for the export snapshot command and 2 minutes to run it. And, as it turns out, we were all wrong. There is a leak, and they will fix it, but the reason there is a leak makes perfect sense. The bug I posted about this problem only a day or two ago has already been verified and answered. This is a *strong* recommendation that those of you who don't want to submit reports should change your mind. Since I was the submitter, the respone came directly to my inbox. If Dave had submitted, he'd have received the response instead. It's not that I don't want to, it's that I can't log on from here and when I get home at the weekends I am so tired and busy catching up with home stuff that it's hard to find the time. Here is what they said, and now that I think of it, I'm almost embarrassed that I didn't think of the reason myself: The memory leak that has been observed here occurs for all forms of 'export snapshot' and any image format - however, it *only* occurs if the alwaysBuffer of the templateImage is set to true. To eliminate the leak: set the alwaysBuffer of the templateImage to false Before using the export command. The setting of this property is set differently in the Revolution and MC IDE's and in standalones (and on Mac OS X and Windows) - explaining the difficulty in reproducing it for some people. While I admit the leak needs to be fixed, the reason for it become obvious; alwaysbuffer reserves memory space for the image in an offscreen buffer. The bug does not show up on some platforms, and the alwaysbuffer setting varies from one IDE to another. It would be difficult to stress-test this bug; it only seems to occur in one very specific circumstance, in only one IDE, and only on one OS. Dave, your original script should work just fine if you change the alwaysbuffer of the templateimage to false. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
We're only having a bit of fun! None of it is meant with any real venom well not on my part anyway and I'd be shocked if Richard felt differently! Take Care and Have a Great Weekend! All the Best Dave On 23 Mar 2007, at 15:11, Heather Nagey wrote: :) ok Guys... you heard the man... I think you've both made your point/s, as thoroughly as is reasonably possible. Its been an interesting discussion. Let this be the last data point, please. Shake hands and agree to differ amicably. Warm Regards, Heather Heather Nagey Customer Services Manager and Listmom Runtime Revolution Ltd http://www.runrev.com On 23 Mar 2007, at 14:37, Stephen Barncard wrote: ARRGHHH!!! MAKE IT STOP, PLEASE! Dave continued: However stress testing is not an accomplishment at all it's really easy, that's why I really can't see why you are going on about it, I do it without even thinking about it! In fact I was absolutely gobsmacked that you were surprised that this was my way of working. and we look forward to URLs of the products you ship so we can all learn how to improve the quality of our own work. Now you're just being silly! How will looking at the products I have worked on help you learn how to improve the quality of your own work? Besides which unless you just happen to have £50,000+ worth of video equipment lying around it wouldn't do you much good! And Apart from all that - I've told you how to do it already! Take Care and All the Best Dave -- Heather Nagey Customer Services Manager Runtime Revolution Ltd http://www.runrev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
We're only having a bit of fun! fun for you, obviously. Annoying for most of us. None of it is meant with any real venom well not on my part anyway and I'd be shocked if Richard felt differently! Take Care and Have a Great Weekend! All the Best Dave -- stephen barncard s a n f r a n c i s c o - - - - - - - - - - - - ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: must externals be written only in C/C++ ?
Thanks to Shao Sean and Dave for those pointers. I had hoped that that was the answer. I'm looking at how I would extend both Python and Rev apps with externals. In both cases C is the assumed default, but I had thought it should be possible in principle to use FreePascal instead. Bernard ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: group horizontal scrollbar movement
This is fixed in the latest version according to the update list. All the Best Dave On 23 Mar 2007, at 12:08, John Craig wrote: Anyone know if there is a reason why clicking on the arrows on a horizontal scrollbar on a group moves the thumb AWAY from the arrow you clicked on? (Windows + Rev 2.8) JC ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
Hi, I really don't understand why you get so upset, if you don't like the subject just don't read it. There are loads of topics on this list I don't read them all. Most of them in fact stay unread. All the Best Dave On 23 Mar 2007, at 16:21, Stephen Barncard wrote: We're only having a bit of fun! fun for you, obviously. Annoying for most of us. None of it is meant with any real venom well not on my part anyway and I'd be shocked if Richard felt differently! Take Care and Have a Great Weekend! All the Best Dave ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: group horizontal scrollbar movement
On Mar 23, 2007, at 9:10 AM, Devin Asay wrote: On Mar 23, 2007, at 6:08 AM, John Craig wrote: Anyone know if there is a reason why clicking on the arrows on a horizontal scrollbar on a group moves the thumb AWAY from the arrow you clicked on? (Windows + Rev 2.8) John, Do you have the latest version of 2.8? I seem to recall reading about a scrollbar bug that sounds a lot like this that was fixed in a later version. I can't find it in the bug list just now, however. Found it. In Engine Change Log for 2.8.0-gm-3: quote Bug: In 2.8.0-gm-2, horizontal scrollbars move the wrong way on Windows Fixed. /quote Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
unknown publisher under Windows Vista
After building my standalone, which is sort of a launcher app for my main installer, and running it under Windows Vista, I get the security warning that tells me the publisher for the exe is unknown. Anyone know how I can make it known? As far as I can tell, I've filled in all the pertinent information in the standalone builder, but nothing seems to take care of the problem. I noticed that Rev's latest installer does not produce this warning, as the publisher appears to be known. I've looked at the properties for my exe and for the Rev installer and, as far as I can tell, they've both got the same information. Theirs produces the normal A program needs your permissions to continue dialog, while mean produces a An unidentified program wants access to your computer dialog. Anyone run into this? I get this warning with other applications I use, mostly those that are older and haven't yet been updated for Vista. Thanks, Chris -- Chris Sheffield Read Naturally The Fluency Company http://www.readnaturally.com -- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: unknown publisher under Windows Vista
On Mar 23, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote: After building my standalone, which is sort of a launcher app for my main installer, and running it under Windows Vista, I get the security warning that tells me the publisher for the exe is unknown. Anyone know how I can make it known? As far as I can tell, I've filled in all the pertinent information in the standalone builder, but nothing seems to take care of the problem. I noticed that Rev's latest installer does not produce this warning, as the publisher appears to be known. I've looked at the properties for my exe and for the Rev installer and, as far as I can tell, they've both got the same information. Theirs produces the normal A program needs your permissions to continue dialog, while mean produces a An unidentified program wants access to your computer dialog. Anyone run into this? I get this warning with other applications I use, mostly those that are older and haven't yet been updated for Vista. You are pointing out Vista's flaws. Cancel or Allow? Sorry, couldn't resist. :-) DNA ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Revolution File Suffix
Hi from Paris, Yes, you should be able to right-click a .rev file and choose Open with... and select Revolution. Then in the dialog there should be a checkbox that says something like Always use the selected program to open this kind of file. Make sure this is checked and click OK. That should do it. Well, I tried that - and when I browse to the StackRunner program, it just DOESN'T allow me to use it. I knew that SOMEWHERE on the PC there was a list of file extensions, with control on the program that is used to open files of each extension. I just didn't know how to find it (20 years on a Mac gives little experience of PC's !). I finally found the list : Control Panel - Folder Options - File Types went to the .REV entry and used the Advanced option to define the program to open .rev files. NOW, I am a happy bunny ! Thanks Bill and Ken for their suggestions. I uninstalled WINRAR, and downloaded 7zip, which I will test out when I get some free time. -Francis ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: having to help Rev
Dave wrote: I still get the error at file 289, is this what you thought would happen? I forgot to ask about that. That looks like a separate issue. Is your memory leak gone though? I'll add to the bug report and mention the numbering issue. If I remember right, the numbering error only happens with PNGs. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
Hi I found out from a complaint about one of my posts that some of the readers of this list get it in digest form instead of individual emails and it is difficult for them to ignore posts by headings (they have to scroll through them). So that might be why they're complaining. After I got the complaint about my post if made me very reluctant to post again as there were about three post immediately after agreeing with how annoying my posts were. Bill On 3/23/07 12:36 PM, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really don't understand why you get so upset, if you don't like the subject just don't read it. There are loads of topics on this list I don't read them all. Most of them in fact stay unread. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: unknown publisher under Windows Vista
I know. It drives me nuts! Unfortunately my company has to support it, or I probably wouldn't even bother. On Mar 23, 2007, at 11:17 AM, Devin Asay wrote: On Mar 23, 2007, at 11:03 AM, Chris Sheffield wrote: After building my standalone, which is sort of a launcher app for my main installer, and running it under Windows Vista, I get the security warning that tells me the publisher for the exe is unknown. Anyone know how I can make it known? As far as I can tell, I've filled in all the pertinent information in the standalone builder, but nothing seems to take care of the problem. I noticed that Rev's latest installer does not produce this warning, as the publisher appears to be known. I've looked at the properties for my exe and for the Rev installer and, as far as I can tell, they've both got the same information. Theirs produces the normal A program needs your permissions to continue dialog, while mean produces a An unidentified program wants access to your computer dialog. Anyone run into this? I get this warning with other applications I use, mostly those that are older and haven't yet been updated for Vista. You are pointing out Vista's flaws. Cancel or Allow? Sorry, couldn't resist. :-) DNA ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Chris Sheffield Read Naturally The Fluency Company http://www.readnaturally.com -- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: unknown publisher under Windows Vista
Chris, After building my standalone, which is sort of a launcher app for my main installer, and running it under Windows Vista, I get the security warning that tells me the publisher for the exe is unknown. Unfortunately, applications you author with Rev cannot simply inherit the signature. Rev's installer is known because it is digitally signed by Revolution in accordance with Microsoft's guidelines. Your standalone is a brand-new program as far as Vista is concerned. And rightly so, because anyone could use a programming tool like Rev to write a program that wreaks havoc. In order to sign your code, you need to have a digital certificate from Verisign, and then you need to go through the code signing process as outlined here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/security/authcode/signing.asp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: unknown publisher under Windows Vista
Ah, good info Bill. Thanks. On Mar 23, 2007, at 11:46 AM, Bill Marriott wrote: Chris, After building my standalone, which is sort of a launcher app for my main installer, and running it under Windows Vista, I get the security warning that tells me the publisher for the exe is unknown. Unfortunately, applications you author with Rev cannot simply inherit the signature. Rev's installer is known because it is digitally signed by Revolution in accordance with Microsoft's guidelines. Your standalone is a brand-new program as far as Vista is concerned. And rightly so, because anyone could use a programming tool like Rev to write a program that wreaks havoc. In order to sign your code, you need to have a digital certificate from Verisign, and then you need to go through the code signing process as outlined here: http://msdn.microsoft.com/workshop/security/authcode/signing.asp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution -- Chris Sheffield Read Naturally The Fluency Company http://www.readnaturally.com -- ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
Hi, Sounds like a good excuse to write a filter application - in RunRev of course! I don't think that Stephen receives the list via digest though. All the Best Dave On 23 Mar 2007, at 17:42, Bill wrote: Hi I found out from a complaint about one of my posts that some of the readers of this list get it in digest form instead of individual emails and it is difficult for them to ignore posts by headings (they have to scroll through them). So that might be why they're complaining. After I got the complaint about my post if made me very reluctant to post again as there were about three post immediately after agreeing with how annoying my posts were. Bill On 3/23/07 12:36 PM, Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: I really don't understand why you get so upset, if you don't like the subject just don't read it. There are loads of topics on this list I don't read them all. Most of them in fact stay unread. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: having to help Rev
Hi Jacque, Ok, I was confused about the two problems again for a second and misunderstood what was being said. So just to make is clear: 1. If you set the alwaysBuffer flag of the templateImage to false the memory leak goes away in the IDE. It also slows down a bit, is this to be expected? 2. the alwaysBuffer has no effect on the magic number of files written. It still goes wrong in file 289. Thanks a lot for the Help All the Best Dave On 23 Mar 2007, at 17:30, J. Landman Gay wrote: Dave wrote: I still get the error at file 289, is this what you thought would happen? I forgot to ask about that. That looks like a separate issue. Is your memory leak gone though? I'll add to the bug report and mention the numbering issue. If I remember right, the numbering error only happens with PNGs. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: having to help Rev
Dave wrote: 1. If you set the alwaysBuffer flag of the templateImage to false the memory leak goes away in the IDE. It also slows down a bit, is this to be expected? No. But I noticed that you are setting the property inside the repeat loop, which might add some time. It only has to be set once, so you could do it outside the loop. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
kicked out
I have been unsubscribed from the use-revolution list, the improve- list, and the education list (well, given the present context, I should add to the best of my knowledge). I have now received the email below. No further comments. Obviously, you won't see me around anymore. Marielle Begin forwarded message: From: Michael McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 23 March 2007 17:54:52 GMT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Runtime Revolution Dear Ms Lange, We have been instructed by Runtime Revolution. We understand that you have threatened to send to Runtime's clients an email making derogatory and untrue remarks about the company. If you carry out this threat we have standing instuctions to instigate interdict and damages proceedings against you. You should desist from making any contact with Runtime's clients immediately. Without Prejudice Yours faithfully Biggart Baillie -- Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist Widged http://widged.com/ Easy access to lexical databaseshttp:// lexicall.widged.com/ Supporting Education Technologists http:// revolution.widged.com/wiki/ -- Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist Widged http://widged.com/ Easy access to lexical databaseshttp:// lexicall.widged.com/ Supporting Education Technologists http:// revolution.widged.com/wiki/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Family punchups
All the best families have their occasional punchups, and in fact without them, they wouldn't be the best families. They just have to stop well short of murder, that's all, and that's obvious. I haven't seen anything on the UR-List that approaches murder for a long time now. There is such a thing as free speech, you know Just because somebody complains, that shouldn't be an excuse for the police to move in. In real life, that often happens because they are itching to do it anyway, or because they are afraid and too up tight. That said, all conflicts that escalate schismogenetically into a war usually happen because the 2 sides are symetrically similar to one another, and there are no 3rd parties present to create impurities and more complementary relationships. That is not the case of the UR-List, especially nowadays. Obviously, ListMom is a little afraid that things will get out of hand, as they have sometimes done in the past. So the logic that nipping it in the bud seems to apply and be a practical solution. But I don't think it is. This is an ongoing situation of learning, and personally, I have seen that the UR-List is perfectly capable of regulating itself - and very well - most of the time. I DO hope this is not considered to be a taboo subject or a challenge to authority in any way, because it is not meant to be. I think we should all remember that being provocative is one of the most essential elements in creativity. For example, I was very grateful that Richard accidentally pressed my button a little bit the other day, and I think it led to results which from my point of view (and possibly from his too) were highly positive. I now suggest that those of you who are much better at humour than I am step in and do your job! Let's lighten it up folks! Live and LET LIVE (and don't forget the 2nd part of the saying)! Bob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
OT: I am now a CS Student...
Hi Folks, I've been silent but is just because I am busy, I am pleased to announce that since last week I am now a Computer Science student. I am about to graduate on the film school as a BA, looking to the future, I see that having a degree onm CS will be important for me, so I am now a student on a cheap medium university here, planning to transfer next year to a better one. I am learning what a byte is and how to code in C using TurboC from 1990... my classmates are happy, ignorance is bliss... PS: the university is a Microsoft partner and a Cisco System partner, meaning that the desktops work half of the time and the network works half of the time, on rare astrological conditions, they even work together... cheers Andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Family punchups
Bob Warren wrote: I was very grateful that Richard accidentally pressed my button a little bit the other day, and I think it led to results which from my point of view (and possibly from his too) were highly positive. My apologies if I'd pushed a button, but as far as any Linux discussion goes I'd say you had a quite positive effect here: Seeing that Ubuntu is at last doing what I'd hoped a distro could do, focusing on the consumer experience to achieve a market dominance that helps simplify the decision for potential new users to get on board, I decided to take the next step. Usability is central to desktop adoption of Linux, and as a developer who prefers high-level tools to bit-counting, it's one of the few areas where I make make a contribution. Since Ubuntu is becoming the clear desktop leader in the Linux world, and since the default window manager for their main product is Gnome, I've subscribed to the Gnome Usability list: http://mail.gnome.org/mailman/listinfo/usability I've just been lurking for now like a good newbie, getting a feel for what's on the agenda and who the players are. But I suspect over time I may be able to contribute a few things, possibly writing portions of a future Gnome HIG. So yes indeed, some very positive results came from that exchange. I very much appreciate your passion for Linux -- it's contagious!. :) -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: kicked out
Dont know whats that all about, but does Runrev need to react in such an extrem way? I for myself dont want to forgo Marielles postings. Regards, Matthias Rebbe Original Message Subject: kicked out (23-Mrz-2007 19:42) From:Marielle Lange [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] I have been unsubscribed from the use-revolution list, the improve- list, and the education list (well, given the present context, I should add to the best of my knowledge). I have now received the email below. No further comments. Obviously, you won't see me around anymore. Marielle Begin forwarded message: From: Michael McLaughlin [EMAIL PROTECTED] Date: 23 March 2007 17:54:52 GMT To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Runtime Revolution Dear Ms Lange, We have been instructed by Runtime Revolution. We understand that you have threatened to send to Runtime's clients an email making derogatory and untrue remarks about the company. If you carry out this threat we have standing instuctions to instigate interdict and damages proceedings against you. You should desist from making any contact with Runtime's clients immediately. Without Prejudice Yours faithfully Biggart Baillie -- Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist Widged http://widged.com/ Easy access to lexical databaseshttp:// lexicall.widged.com/ Supporting Education Technologists http:// revolution.widged.com/wiki/ -- Marielle Lange (PhD), Psycholinguist Widged http://widged.com/ Easy access to lexical databaseshttp:// lexicall.widged.com/ Supporting Education Technologists http:// revolution.widged.com/wiki/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: kicked out
runrev260805 at m-r-d.de wrote: Dont know whats that all about, but does Runrev need to react in such an extrem way? I for myself dont want to forgo Marielles postings. The nature of her posts vary. If they didn't include the types of things which appear to have given rise to this circumstance, there would be more of the good ones. I don't know the backstory nor do I need to. That's between her and RunRev. From the personal correspondence Marielle chose to post publicly, it seems that all they asked her to do was stop. If their claims are true it seems very generous of them. And if they're not, it should be easy to comply with a request to not do something that wasn't done anyway. Doesn't seem all that onerous to me. Can we please not let this personal matter between these two parties not become an issue for us here? Please address comments about this issue to the parties involved. Let's try to keep this list about using Rev. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Family punchups
I do understand Richard's point of view about Linux, though without sharing it, but if you all are not Linux users, but increasingly perhaps write for them, you should be aware that there is a very distinctly different point of view among a large section of them. This point of view feels that if there is one thing they don't care for about Ubuntu, it is the apparent desire to focus.. on the consumer experience to achieve a market dominance. What we really like about Linux (as distinct from Ubuntu) is that you are not handed an expertly packaged user experience, and we are increasingly bothered by the perception of Ubuntu as the answer, when it is in fact only one of half a dozen equally valid answers. This tendency has a positive abhorrence for Human Interface Guidlines, which it sees as misplaced authoritarianism, and that's one of the things that makes us very uneasy about Gnome, and makes us absolutely detest MacOS and Windows. We can't understand why people really want to have all their applications look and feel the same. We happily mix KDE and Gnome apps and don't even notice their different skins. We often do not even use either Gnome or KDE, but something much more minimal like Fluxbox. We don't think one size fits all in user interfaces. We would say with Blake: One law for the lion and the ox is oppression. Now, before you dismiss this as just behind the times silliness, consider this. This is why Linux exists at all today in its present form. This is also broadly the difference between Gnome, with its roots in Apple type HIGs, and KDE, with its roots in 'let them do whatever they want with it'. If you want to see this in action, fire up Debian or whatever in native mode, (not for goodness sake on a MacIntel under Parallels) and try Enlightenment, Fluxbox, FVWM. Try Crux. Try Slackware. Consider that there are people who genuinely prefer these and find them easier to work with. These people are your customers too. So don't, whatever you do, think that all you have to do to support Linux or get it, is run Ubuntu. Especially not virtually. You will be missing the heart of the matter. Peter ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Family punchups
Richard Gaskin wrote: So yes indeed, some very positive results came from that exchange. I very much appreciate your passion for Linux -- it's contagious!. :) Bob badgered me into installing Ubuntu. He made some persuasive points about tech support needing to run the OS (others on the team already do use Linux, but I'm first tier and should have been.) I'd been meaning to take the step for ages but didn't do it until he got pushy about it. Now I'm glad. Thanks Bob. :) Oh, and also, after we corresponded for a while, we got to be friends. Funny how these things work out. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: I am now a CS Student...
Andre, Best wishes, I'm sure you will do well! Paul Looney -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Sent: Fri, 23 Mar 2007 11:51 AM Subject: OT: I am now a CS Student... Hi Folks, I've been silent but is just because I am busy, I am pleased to announce that since last week I am now a Computer Science student. I am about to graduate on the film school as a BA, looking to the future, I see that having a degree onm CS will be important for me, so I am now a student on a cheap medium university here, planning to transfer next year to a better one. I am learning what a byte is and how to code in C using TurboC from 1990... my classmates are happy, ignorance is bliss... PS: the university is a Microsoft partner and a Cisco System partner, meaning that the desktops work half of the time and the network works half of the time, on rare astrological conditions, they even work together... cheers Andre ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution AOL now offers free email to everyone. Find out more about what's free from AOL at AOL.com. =0 ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Family punchups
Peter Alcibiades wrote: What we really like about Linux (as distinct from Ubuntu) is that you are not handed an expertly packaged user experience, and we are increasingly bothered by the perception of Ubuntu as the answer, when it is in fact only one of half a dozen equally valid answers. I can understand this. But it does pose a problem for those who want to release apps for Linux. What, in general, should the Rev developer aim for? For example, I just ran one of my stacks in Ubuntu and the fonts I'd assigned were all wrong. If every Linux user is running a different distro, are there any ways to make our stacks look at least somewhat decent on anyone's machine? Any suggestions about this? So don't, whatever you do, think that all you have to do to support Linux or get it, is run Ubuntu. Especially not virtually. You will be missing the heart of the matter. Except for the crashing, where Parallels goes down in flames, the distro seems to run idenically as it would on a non-virtualized box. I'm not sure what would be different (but maybe you know.) I get your point about not equating Ubuntu with Linux though. That does make sense. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: I am now a CS Student...
Congratulations Andre! I think... Phil Davis Andre Garzia wrote: Hi Folks, I've been silent but is just because I am busy, I am pleased to announce that since last week I am now a Computer Science student. I am about to graduate on the film school as a BA, looking to the future, I see that having a degree onm CS will be important for me, so I am now a student on a cheap medium university here, planning to transfer next year to a better one. I am learning what a byte is and how to code in C using TurboC from 1990... my classmates are happy, ignorance is bliss... PS: the university is a Microsoft partner and a Cisco System partner, meaning that the desktops work half of the time and the network works half of the time, on rare astrological conditions, they even work together... cheers Andre ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: I am now a CS Student...
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:51:40 -0300, Andre Garzia wrote: I am learning what a byte is and how to code in C using TurboC from 1990... my classmates are happy, ignorance is bliss... Nothing like being on the bleeding edge! ;-) But seriously, Andre, congratulations! May it go smoothly and successfully! :-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
kicked out
Nothing new here! been there, been kicked out twice! some people don't grow up (and I do not mean Dr Lange). sincerely, Richmond Mathewson A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ The all-new Yahoo! Mail goes wherever you go - free your email address from your Internet provider. http://uk.docs.yahoo.com/nowyoucan.html ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: I am now a CS Student...
Ken Ray wrote: On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 15:51:40 -0300, Andre Garzia wrote: I am learning what a byte is and how to code in C using TurboC from 1990... my classmates are happy, ignorance is bliss... Nothing like being on the bleeding edge! ;-) But seriously, Andre, congratulations! May it go smoothly and successfully! :-) If he is that good an xtalker before he gets his degree, what's he going to be like when he's done? :) Good going, Andre. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: I am now a CS Student...
You're not already a CS student? Could have fooled me, Andre. Congratulations! Marian ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Family punchups
Why do I have a funny feeling that as Ubuntu seems to gain Linux dominance it also seems to be acquiring some rather unpleasant facets previously only seen with commercial operating system? It has climbed into bed with Google - who next we wonder ? All you lovers of liberty and non-conformity, methinks tis time to move on elsewhere! Love, Richmond A Thorn in the flesh is better than a failed Systems Development Life Cycle. ___ New Yahoo! Mail is the ultimate force in competitive emailing. Find out more at the Yahoo! Mail Championships. Plus: play games and win prizes. http://uk.rd.yahoo.com/evt=44106/*http://mail.yahoo.net/uk ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Another Export Snapshot Problem
On Mar 21, 2007, at 4:32 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Richard and I have been looking at this offlist. I've written Dave privately, but just to update everyone here, this is what we found: 1. There is a problem with PNGs for some reason. The export command fails after a certain number of itertations. In Dave's stack, this is #289. If you change the export type to GIF or JPEG (or maybe some of the others we didn't try) then there is no error after any number of iterations. 2. The memory leak is significant, but it only occurs in the IDE. It isn't an engine problem. When running the same script in the MC IDE or as a standalone, there is no memory leak. Therefore, Dave can probably work around the issue by changing his export format to something other than PNG, and limiting his tests in the IDE to fewer repetitions. When run as a standalone, it should be fully functional without any leaks for any number of iterations. I have submitted a bug report for Dave about this, and will update it with this info. The bug number is #4558. Gotta thank Richard for some heavy-duty sleuthing on this one. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com It's a shot in the dark but could this memory leak be somehow related to the fact that the PaintCompression property in Rev IDE is set to PNG while in MC IDE and in bare engine it's set to RLE ? If you still have the testing handler that exposes the memory leak this can be easily tested by setting PaintCompression to RLE in Rev IDE. best regards Tariel ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Family punchups
On Fri, 23 Mar 2007 19:58:58 +, Peter Alcibiades wrote: Peter, first of all let me say thank you for bringing up this perspective about Linux and its distros. I would venture to say that most people on this list either haven't used any distro of Linux at all, have only done so to address a specific Linux distro to which they are targeting, or have one or two distros that are used pretty exclusively for just seeing how the cross-platform apps look in an environment other than Mac or Windows. And I am squarely in that camp as well. For example, when I developed the Linux version of StackRunner, I only tested it and adjusted the interface so it would look good on Ubuntu and Red Hat Linux and no other distros. As Jacque pointed out, it makes those of us in this camp wonder about Linux and how to distirbute apps to one or more of the distros. So perhaps you can answer a few questions: I do understand Richard's point of view about Linux, though without sharing it, but if you all are not Linux users, but increasingly perhaps write for them, you should be aware that there is a very distinctly different point of view among a large section of them. Any idea how large this section is? I mean what percent (about) would you say that is? This tendency has a positive abhorrence for Human Interface Guidlines, which it sees as misplaced authoritarianism, and that's one of the things that makes us very uneasy about Gnome, and makes us absolutely detest MacOS and Windows. We can't understand why people really want to have all their applications look and feel the same. We happily mix KDE and Gnome apps and don't even notice their different skins. We often do not even use either Gnome or KDE, but something much more minimal like Fluxbox. We don't think one size fits all in user interfaces. We would say with Blake: One law for the lion and the ox is oppression. So does this mean that we shouldn't be too wrapped up about how our apps look on different Linux distros? Or should we tweak the look for a couple of distros and for the rest let the chips fall where they may? So don't, whatever you do, think that all you have to do to support Linux or get it, is run Ubuntu. Especially not virtually. You will be missing the heart of the matter. Understood. It would be really great to get some good advice on developing for Linux (however you interpret that) using Revolution... any suggestions you have would be great. Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software, Inc. Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Family punchups
On Mar 23, 2007, at 3:38 PM, Richmond Mathewson wrote: Why do I have a funny feeling that as Ubuntu seems to gain Linux dominance it also seems to be acquiring some rather unpleasant facets previously only seen with commercial operating system? It has climbed into bed with Google - who next we wonder ? All you lovers of liberty and non-conformity, methinks tis time to move on elsewhere! And while we're at it... I should be able to drive on whatever bl***y side of the street I want to. I want to be surprised when I turn on one of the water faucets in the shower. I don't care if the button on my video player goes forward, backward, stops or records. I should be able to say Goodbye when I answer the phone and expect the person on the other end not to be confused. I want my mouse cursor to move to the right when I move it away from me. ;-) Seriously folks, let's not confuse conformity with convention. For the vast majority of computer users standardized interfaces is a productivity multiplier. There simply will not be widespread adoption of Linux (or any other OS) without a well designed, widely-used GUI with consistently applied conventions. And do you really believe that all other Linux flavors will wither away? To me the emergence of a dominant Linux distro is a win-win for everybody. More users = more support for the underlying OS. Full disclosure: I haven't installed Linux (yet). But when I do I'll probably go with Ubuntu, with nary an ill thought for users of other distros. Cheers. Devin Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
This is a test. I'm sure it's imperative Dave 'get in' the last word. So, let's see. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bug in the folders?
On Mar 23, 2007, at 7:41 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote: ... snip.. The following old directory walker I have use for decades from Ken Ray. Suddenly it is skipping any folders that start with a space. on directoryWalk gMainFolder set the itemDel to / set the directory to gMainFolder put the files into tFiles put the files into temp put fld ID into tID set the itemdel to _ repeat for each line x in temp if item 1 of x = tID then put x cr after tHits end repeat sort temp repeat for each line x in temp if x is not empty then put gMainFolder / x cr after gHierList end if end repeat put the folders into tDirList # any folder that begin with space are not returned here. Interesting, because even if it would return folder with leading space here it would be deleted after next two lines. sort tDirList delete line 1 of tDirList delete line 1 of tDirList is here to delete .. but if there is a folder with leading space it sorts before the .. and gets deleted. So, may be you should try to toggle above two lines? best regards Tariel ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Family punchups
Richard wrote: My apologies if I'd pushed a button, -- Absolutely none necessary: it was nothing more than a slight philosophical difference in relation to your creatively provocative statements about Linux and Microsoft. We both made it positive, because we both trust the basic intentions of the other. That's exactly how it should be. -- So yes indeed, some very positive results came from that exchange. I very much appreciate your passion for Linux -- it's contagious!. :) And that was the best thing someone has told me for a long time. Thank you! Bob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Family punchups
Jacque wrote: Bob badgered me into installing Ubuntu. He made some persuasive points about tech support needing to run the OS (others on the team already do use Linux, but I'm first tier and should have been.) I'd been meaning to take the step for ages but didn't do it until he got pushy about it. Now I'm glad. Thanks Bob. :) Oh, and also, after we corresponded for a while, we got to be friends. Funny how these things work out. -- There are so many nice things being said on this List today, that I really don't know what to do with myself! Thanks Jacque. And don't think that because Ubuntu is my first choice that I don't give value to the different perceptions put forward by Richard, Richmond, Peter, Ken, Devin, etc. NOTHING is simple in this world! Nor should it be. Bob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: having to help Rev (was: Re: Memory Leak on export png????)
From: Dave [EMAIL PROTECTED] Hi, Sounds like a good excuse to write a filter application - in RunRev of course! I don't think that Stephen receives the list via digest though. I do read the list as a digest. I would have expressed my annoyance if Stephen hadn't beaten me to it. Jerry Jensen ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
sneak peak - Panes the Inspector modifier
For anyone who has written add-ons for Rev and would have loved to been able to use Rev's built-in Inspector to allow for easy configuration of your add-on then Panes is for you. Panes non-destructively patches the IDE to allow for you to quickly and easily add new Inspector panes without having to worry about how to do it. [see note] If you're curious about what it looks like, follow these links: Inspector menu - http://shaosean.wehostmacs.com/_ccount/click.php?id=17 Panes Info pane - http://shaosean.wehostmacs.com/_ccount/click.php?id=18 If you're interested in perhaps writing one or two to shipped with it when it gets released, please feel free to contact me. -Sean note: Panes runs as a front script and intercepts certain messages that are handled by the Inspector palette and when Panes is turned off there is no trace of it ever running. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: I am now a CS Student...
Andre wrote: Hi Folks, I've been silent but is just because I am busy, I am pleased to announce that since last week I am now a Computer Science student. I am about to graduate on the film school as a BA, looking to the future, I see that having a degree onm CS will be important for me, so I am now a student on a cheap medium university here, planning to transfer next year to a better one. I am learning what a byte is and how to code in C using TurboC from 1990... my classmates are happy, ignorance is bliss... There is no end to the nice things on this List today! (Except for the amount of engolir sapo that you will have to do for a while.) From a fellow countryman (well, almost), CONGRATULATIONS! You will undoubtedly go very far. Bob ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: sneak peak - Panes the Inspector modifier
Shao Sean, this is marvelous, I could really use it for the CGI stuff and network stuff. congratulations Cheers andre On Mar 23, 2007, at 10:02 PM, Shao Sean wrote: For anyone who has written add-ons for Rev and would have loved to been able to use Rev's built-in Inspector to allow for easy configuration of your add-on then Panes is for you. Panes non-destructively patches the IDE to allow for you to quickly and easily add new Inspector panes without having to worry about how to do it. [see note] If you're curious about what it looks like, follow these links: Inspector menu - http://shaosean.wehostmacs.com/_ccount/click.php? id=17 Panes Info pane - http://shaosean.wehostmacs.com/_ccount/click.php? id=18 If you're interested in perhaps writing one or two to shipped with it when it gets released, please feel free to contact me. -Sean note: Panes runs as a front script and intercepts certain messages that are handled by the Inspector palette and when Panes is turned off there is no trace of it ever running. ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: I am now a CS Student...
Wow Andre, a professional student! Soon you'll have a Phd and then no one can talk to you ;-) I have a great idea, why don't you make a film of your computer science experiences. With you directing and starring, it could be quite funny, and insightful, too. Seriously, I doubt you'll find anyone smarter than you at school. I used to be on the Advisory board for a local university here in Austin, and the CS profs had a very hard time keeping up. They tried, but always had too much to do to keep up with each/every new thing which comes along. Having students like you always helped everyone, as they can take some of the load off teachers by helping others. Good luck! -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Family punchups
Bob, Nice post. Where'd you find schismogenetically ?? ;-) ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Bug in the folders?
A better way of deleting the unwanted is the one line filter tDirList without .* any file beginning with a period no need to sort, or wonder which file is at the top or how many . files you have. filter tDirList with * --isolate any beginning with spaces Jim Ault Las Vegas On 3/23/07 4:31 PM, Tariel Gogoberidze [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: On Mar 23, 2007, at 7:41 AM, Sivakatirswami wrote: ... snip.. The following old directory walker I have use for decades from Ken Ray. Suddenly it is skipping any folders that start with a space. on directoryWalk gMainFolder set the itemDel to / set the directory to gMainFolder put the files into tFiles put the files into temp put fld ID into tID set the itemdel to _ repeat for each line x in temp if item 1 of x = tID then put x cr after tHits end repeat sort temp repeat for each line x in temp if x is not empty then put gMainFolder / x cr after gHierList end if end repeat put the folders into tDirList # any folder that begin with space are not returned here. Interesting, because even if it would return folder with leading space here it would be deleted after next two lines. sort tDirList delete line 1 of tDirList delete line 1 of tDirList is here to delete .. but if there is a folder with leading space it sorts before the .. and gets deleted. So, may be you should try to toggle above two lines? best regards Tariel ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: unicodeText problem with Japanese
Devin Asay wrote: I'm not sure what's causing your problems. Could it be related to this bug? http://quality.runrev.com/qacenter/show_bug.cgi?id=3614 Yes, that's it exactly!! Thank you. -- Nicolas Cueto ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: must externals be written only in C/C++ ?
Bernard- Friday, March 23, 2007, 8:32:25 AM, you wrote: I'm looking at how I would extend both Python and Rev apps with externals. In both cases C is the assumed default, but I had thought it should be possible in principle to use FreePascal instead. In principle, yes. How much control do you have over dll formatting in FreePascal? My experience has been that Pascal compilers generate uppercase exported symbols. You'll have to export mixed-case symbols to work with rev's engine. And I believe, but I'm not sure, that FreePascal allows you to set the calling protocol to stdcall rather than the Pascal one (which I can't remember off the top of my head). At any rate, it's documented in the sdk. -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: OT: I am now a CS Student...
Jacque- Friday, March 23, 2007, 1:35:17 PM, you wrote: If he is that good an xtalker before he gets his degree, what's he going to be like when he's done? :) Dumbed down like the rest of us? ...although it's kind of scary to think of turning Andre loose on C and Pascal... -- -Mark Wieder [EMAIL PROTECTED] ___ use-revolution mailing list use-revolution@lists.runrev.com Please visit this url to subscribe, unsubscribe and manage your subscription preferences: http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
