Re: International woes
On Apr 22, 2004, at 10:22 AM, Friedrich F. Grohmann wrote: Christopher Mitchell remarked: Ouch, I didn't pay attention to the punctuation... Mellel seems to get the punctuation right. Probably helpful that it is written by Israelis. Mail.app gets it right also... you can flip keyboards and if you enter a period and then enter another character, the period gets thrown to the left end of the string. ... this is not just a revolution thing, and not just a particular font thing... Then what is it for heaven's sake? It depends on how the app implements text services, and I'm not thinking most implement it in a useful way. Mellel's engine is, if I recall right from support responses, not using Apple's, but I would guess that Apple Mail is. I really don't know, but it is frustrating. chris. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: International woes
Mellel is, indeed, first class for Hebrew. I am still unsure why it is so difficult to include a right to left functionality, even if by a simple script, to get the letters AND words AND punctuation to come in the right order. Of course, before that, there is the need to overcome the international keyboards and fonts being inaccessible :/ ... this is not just a revolution thing, and not just a particular font thing... Yours, Chris On Apr 21, 2004, at 11:25 AM, Friedrich F. Grohmann wrote: Just for the sake of completeness I should mention that in the meantime I've given Mellel 1.7.5 a try. Both, fonts and keyboards, are accessible but the result is much worse than what happens in a Revolution field. For Hebrew, of course, Mellel seems to be first class. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: News: Retrolution 4 Released
I think Lisa did use Twiggy. Yours, Chris On Apr 1, 2004, at 2:38 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: Bummer, I guess my old Lisa will have to wait for Retrolution 5. BTW, anyone know where to purchase a replacement Twiggy drive? Oh, that's right, Lisa didn't use Twiggy. -chipp Rod McCall wrote: In response to customer requests we've decided to release Retrolution 4, please find the press release below. Best, Rod - Runtime Retrolution 4 Release Develop Software for Platforms Past and Present Edinburgh Scotland, April 1st 2004 Runtime Revolution today announces the release of Retrolution 4, the developer tool for computer platforms past and present. Retrolution includes support for a selection of platforms dating from the mid-1900's to the present day and covers most major graphic and chip architectures. Announcing the release, 92 year old Rt. unRev. Kevin Miller CEO of Runtime Revolution said I can remember when the transistor was just a glint in the milkman's eye. Since then we've seen the advent of 4 bit computer systems through to the state of the art G5 While semi-drugged and undergoing a hip replacement operation, Miller added, Retrolution's stacks and punched card development system now make it even easier for developers of all abilities to write software for platforms big and room sized! Retrolution 4 adds support for the following platforms: *Atari 8-bit, including XL and XE *Apple I (Apple II coming soon) *Commodore Pet and C64 *LEO: Lyon's Electronic Office (support for certain bakery products only) *Atari ST *Acorn Atom and Archimedes (prior to RISC OS 3 only) *ENIAC *Dragon 64 *Oric 1, Atmos and Stratos *Sinclair ZX80, ZX81, Spectrum support to follow shortly. *Texas Instruments TI99/4A *Microsoft Windows 1 *Tandy Radioshack TRS-80 (green screen only) *Hanimex Pencil II *MicroBee *Heathkit EC-1 Analogue Valve Vacuum Computer *Seattle Computer Gazelle (Zebra and Giraffe support to follow) *Beattie Bunion 64 Colour Computer *Open University Hektor 2 *Dick Smith Cat Daffid Blanket of the UK Home Office Immigration Service said We've been using punched cards since the year dot, This new release means we don't need to discard our state of the art IT systems which include ENIAC, MicroBee and LEO. Instead we can keep on using them and our trusty stack of punched cards. Retrolution 4 makes development easy by forcing the developer to program in binary and to manually punch the holes in the cards. This latest release adds a whole range of features including: *Multimedia support with up to 1 channel beep-based sound *3D graphics, monochrome wireframe with resolutions of up to 64 by 48 pixels *Ability to use compiled external libraries written in BASIC, 6502 and 6809 assembler *Support for upper and lowercase letters, except for the letter P *Support for all numbers from 0 to 9, except 6 *Databases up to 3 records in size, with one field *Secure data encryption protocols. Each letter is encoded using the next letter in the alphabet. Support for Z due in 2007, numbers in 2009 *Ability to build standalones in 14 days, allowing you to go on holiday while Retrolution gets on with the job *Sync with the Osborne 1 handheld computer Retrolution 4 is priced at $999.95 and is available on reel-to-reel tape, pre-programmed valve bank, cassette, punched card and 8 inch floppy disk from all good computer stores. For more information and a free download visit http://www.runrev.com About Retrolution and Revolution Information on pricing, versions, and local distributors, as well as a free 30-day trial edition of Revolution for all supported platforms: Windows, Mac OS X, classic Mac OS, Linux and Unix, is available at http://www.runrev.com. Runtime Revolution and Express do not support any of the platforms or features listed above. Runtime Revolution Ltd. Founded in 1997, Runtime Revolution focuses on bringing user-centric programming to all major platforms: Macintosh, Windows, Linux, and Unix. Products include Revolution, Revolution Express, and Ten Thumbs Typing Tutor. The company is based in Edinburgh, Scotland. For more information on Runtime Revolution, please visit the company on the web at http://www.runrev.com. ### Contact Dr Rod McCall Runtime Revolution Ltd 91 Hanover Street Edinburgh EH2 1DJ email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] telephone: +44 (0) 131 718 4333 fax:+44 (0) 131 718 4334 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: waveforms
speaking of all this, has anyone experimented with communicating between Rev and Max/MSP? and while I'm writing, the same crowd might know of the best way in RR to access CoreMidi devices, perhaps with a coremidi external... ? Yours, Chris On Mar 23, 2004, at 1:14 PM, jbv wrote: Richard, Any of you have an algorithm or external for generating wave form images from MP3 or other audio files? I'm presently working on an app that will open AIFF files and display the waveforms (and eventually do FFT, filtering and other sound processing, and then save the result as AIFF). JB ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dan Shafer's Book
the list recent carried (still carries) threads regarding gas prices in california and europe, the TIMING of the releases of the next two books, the nature of the pricing and upgrade schemes - none of which have anything to do with using revolution. I don't see how requesting to buy a book about RR in its current actual form, the decision about which has everything to do with an agreement between RR and the author, falls any further outside of being on topic than these mentioned, among other threads. have the multiple threads debating the relative values of transcript and dot syntax languages been so quickly forgotten? it is often frustrating to be unprivileged. On Mar 19, 2004, at 4:04 AM, Heather Nagey wrote: Date: Fri, 19 Mar 2004 00:53:15 -0600 From: Christopher Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Dan Shafer's Book To: How to use Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] Message-ID: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII; format=flowed I see this has been summarily ignored. Not ignored, but this list isn't really the place to discuss this sort of question. Regards, Heather Yours, Chris On Mar 17, 2004, at 1:41 AM, Christopher Mitchell wrote: I'd like to just buy Ch 1 also, but unfortunately it is apparently only available as a trilogy now with the 2nd and 3rd volumes being currently in the works. How about letting us buy the Ch 1 PDF on its own again? Yours, Chris On Mar 16, 2004, at 2:26 PM, Patrick Fleury wrote: I would like to purchase an electronic copy of Dan Shafer's book but I am not sure how to. (I just want volume 1 to get me started.) I have been unable to figure out how to do this on your web site. Part of the problem is that I can not remember my password for the site. If you could give me any help on this, I would appreciate it. --PatF -- Heather Nagey ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] ~ http://www.runrev.com/ Runtime Revolution - User-Centric Development Tools Tel +44 (0) 131 7184333 Fax +44 (0) 845 4588487 ~~~ Check our web site for new Revolution editions special offers ~~~ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dan Shafer's Book
I see this has been summarily ignored. Yours, Chris On Mar 17, 2004, at 1:41 AM, Christopher Mitchell wrote: I'd like to just buy Ch 1 also, but unfortunately it is apparently only available as a trilogy now with the 2nd and 3rd volumes being currently in the works. How about letting us buy the Ch 1 PDF on its own again? Yours, Chris On Mar 16, 2004, at 2:26 PM, Patrick Fleury wrote: I would like to purchase an electronic copy of Dan Shafer's book but I am not sure how to. (I just want volume 1 to get me started.) I have been unable to figure out how to do this on your web site. Part of the problem is that I can not remember my password for the site. If you could give me any help on this, I would appreciate it. --PatF Patrick Fleury, Ph. D.Director, Informatics Core University of Chicago GCRC [EMAIL PROTECTED] (773)-702-0517 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Automating a date typing in every application under OsX
Charles, I'd prefer to see a nice Rev solution, but some people seem to like iKey - even seeming to be replacing their use of Quickeys. It's $20 instead of $89, but even $20 might be a lot to just type in one item. http://www.scriptsoftware.com/ikey/ Yours, Chris On Mar 15, 2004, at 10:37 AM, charles COHN wrote: I wonder how to write a little program to automate the typing of the current date in any program, as does quickeys; Quickeys costs 89 $ and its a little too much for my simple purpose. Does someone know if revolution allows the fact of transmitting such datas to any application when running in the background? ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Dan Shafer's Book
I'd like to just buy Ch 1 also, but unfortunately it is apparently only available as a trilogy now with the 2nd and 3rd volumes being currently in the works. How about letting us buy the Ch 1 PDF on its own again? Yours, Chris On Mar 16, 2004, at 2:26 PM, Patrick Fleury wrote: I would like to purchase an electronic copy of Dan Shafer's book but I am not sure how to. (I just want volume 1 to get me started.) I have been unable to figure out how to do this on your web site. Part of the problem is that I can not remember my password for the site. If you could give me any help on this, I would appreciate it. --PatF Patrick Fleury, Ph. D.Director, Informatics Core University of Chicago GCRC [EMAIL PROTECTED] (773)-702-0517 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Upgrade version and pricing [was] Re: Fix it before moving ahead
I have been wondering about this as well, having just gotten a studio license with 2.12 and finding out that the majority of the bug database is scheduled two updates away and only being entitled to one. On Mar 12, 2004, at 7:24 AM, Frank Leahy wrote: On Friday, March 12, 2004, at 12:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Am 11.03.2004 um 22:54 schrieb Kevin Miller: We have included some bug fixes for 2.2 and scheduled the majority of the rest of the database for 2.3. The situation will continue to improve. We have limited resources, this is what we can deliver just now. Sounds like 2.2 might be more like a 2.1.5. Can someone at RR state whether we are going to be expected to pay $299 for the 2.2 upgrade, and then another $299 for the 2.3 upgrade? Inquiring minds want to know... -- Frank ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Yours, Chris ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Animation not smooth . . .
Roger, Assuming you are running under OSX this is a known issue that is slated to be fixed. Already reported through bugzilla. Yours, Chris On Mar 12, 2004, at 1:03 PM, Roger Guay wrote: I searched the archive but to no avail. Can anyone tell me why the animations I build with Animation Builder are very smooth when run from Animation Builders but very jerky when in the run (revPlayAnimation myAnim) mode? TIA, Roger ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Video Tutorials on the Geometry Manager
No message here but I'll reboot once I can close the other things I'm working on. This is exactly the kind of things the Rev community needs to keep producing to attract people. Forget changing to .syntax, just showing people how things work, literally, would speak louder than talking about the ease of Transcript. How about a Making a simple app in Revolution - Transcript 101 demo? One would think RunRev would love to use something like that as a promo. A really tricked out version could have your narration over sliced and spliced video showing the steps being performed on each platform. (As in only once, where you're suddenly talking about something and it shows a mac, you keep talking and the next click opens up the video clip on linux, XP, Classic, etc)... Yours, Chris On Mar 8, 2004, at 8:38 PM, Chipp Walters wrote: BTW, on my Mac it told me I needed to restart for the codec to work. Did you not see the same message? Hmmm...wonder why? -Chipp ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: TSCC license
Did you notice that section also was titled : WITNESSETH ? Yours, Chris On Mar 8, 2004, at 9:47 PM, Michael J. Lew wrote: Did anyone read the license agreement for the TSCC codec before clicking through and having it installed? It is 23969 characters long (Rev counted them for me ;-) and includes definitions such as: The above identification of parties and recitals are true and correct. and: The term access and variants thereof (including, but not limited to, the terms access, accessible and accessing, in upper or lower case) shall mean to store data in, retrieve data from or otherwise approach or make use of (directly or indirectly) through electronic means or otherwise. Is this a joke or should I get something like that drafted for my Rev projects? I chose not to install the software. I guess I'll have to live without Chipp's geometry manager tutorial. -- Michael J. Lew Senior Lecturer Department of Pharmacology The University of Melbourne Parkville 3010 Victoria Australia Phone +613 8344 8304 ** New email address: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ** ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: good laptop for Revolution?
On Mar 5, 2004, at 5:04 PM, Erik Hansen wrote: it was suggested that buying the lowest price laptop might not be a good idea. I agree with this. a Windows platform ought to make it easier for most others to use apps, so... Could you explain the reasoning here? It seems vague. Who are you buying the machine for? Who are the other users? What other apps will they be running? chris ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: The Scripter's Scrapbook: Update notice
Really cool stack, man. Something you might want to fix though is in the Preferences pane if you click on How do I get an update? the instructions say to click on 'Is a new version available' from the index on the left ... but the index is on the right ;) Yours, Chris On Mar 3, 2004, at 4:40 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Anyone who downloaded The Scripter's Scrapbook yesterday 2 March or who selected a direct upgrade, should please obtain an updated release. A build error has now been corrected. Our apologies for any inconvenience caused... EITHER - Select 'Checking for Updates' under the Help menu. The new version will be delivered to you direct OR - Go to http://FlexibleLearning.com/xtalk.htm Updates are issued regularly for fixes and improvements. You can check if you are up to date under the Help menu at any time. The web stats have gone through the roof over the past couple of days... Thank you for your interest! Do let us know if you have any comments, problems or feature requests. Feedback helps us improve The Scripter's Scrapbook for you and we really do want this to be a useful tool for everyone from beginners to advanced users! Onwards and upwards, Hugh Senior ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Special Rev License offer at EuroRevCon!
Very good on the Express pricing, but it is a bit misleading to claim a special 1/4th off Studio - even if the retail price is $399 - because the website has been selling Studio for $299 for months. Yours, Chris On Mar 2, 2004, at 10:37 AM, sims wrote: Make sure your seat is reserved at the European Revolution Conference! 17-18 April 2004 in Valletta, Malta - seating is limited so book now. The following fantastic offer will be available for all who attend EuroRevCon: * One-third off Revolution Express! Buy Revolution Express at the show for just $99 (retail price $149) * One-fourth off Revolution Studio! Buy the Eddy-winning Revolution Studio Edition for $299 (retail price $399). The special hotel and conference price ends on 10 March!! Hotel two nights (bed breakfast) airport transfer conference is only $375.00 Hotel three nights (bed breakfast) airport transfer conference is only $435.00 We will have expert Rev developers Malte Brill, Klaus Major, and Jan Schenkel explaining how to get started with Rev, develop games, perform problem solving, algorithm development, how to build sophisticated business applications, and much more. The presentations are designed for beginner, intermediate, and advanced Rev users. For the conference schedule and more information: http://www.techietours.com/Rev/ To reserve your seat at the conference email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] -- Tech Conferences http://TechieTours.com We make... iBirthday http://EZPZapps.com/iB SmartDoghttp://EZPZapps.com/SmartDog Kartolina http://EZPZapps.com/kartolina ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev mauals
are printed manuals still available? I guess I should just look at the site, but this is intriguing now :) Yours, Chris On Mar 3, 2004, at 12:49 AM, Ken Ray wrote: Yup, just got mine, too... Didn't realize the transcript dictionary was 8.5 x 11 and about 2 inches thick... whoa! Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Dar Scott Sent: Tuesday, March 02, 2004 6:04 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: Re: Rev mauals On Tuesday, March 2, 2004, at 04:56 PM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: I just got my Manuals for REV. Yippee. My wife just walked in with mine. Yippee. I opened the technical reference to something I didn't know. Folks should go look on their porches! Well, those who ordered manuals. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use- revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: where to list problems in Beta ver of Rev
And now the link shows up as an oops you hit a page that is not here Yours, Chris On Mar 1, 2004, at 11:47 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: Yeah, I almost missed it too. But there it was.. T On Mar 1, 2004, at 12:45 PM, Klaus Major wrote: Hi Thomas McGrath III, Klaus, The first beta of Revolution 2.2 is now available for download for Windows and Mac OS X at the following locations: http://www.runrev.com/~mark/revolution22/Revolution2.2b1osx.sit http://www.runrev.com/~mark/revolution22/Revolution2.2b1.zip Ooops, looks like there is a lot that i don't know, too :-) Missed the announcement somehow...? No hint on the RR website... Thanks! Tom Regards Klaus Major [EMAIL PROTECTED] www.major-k.de ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: where to list problems in Beta ver of Rev
No problem here, that's great news. Yours, Chris On Mar 1, 2004, at 4:59 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 3/1/04 4:15 PM, Christopher Mitchell wrote: And now the link shows up as an oops you hit a page that is not here The beta has been moved to another location. One of the advantages of being an Enterprise license holder is access to the betas and the ability to provide direct early feedback to the team. That's why it wasn't posted to this list or put on the web site, since the original announcement was sent only to the Improve list. The announcement here was premature, but at least you know you can look forward to a release pretty soon. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev on ICQ ?
Well, in this format yes. However, I've got logs of every character from every banter I've had on Fire for the last two months. organized by date and numeric order of the chat. I like the idea of having it as a soft backup for info. I kind of wanted to make Rev client for it, as it is all open XML, but I doubt it would turn out all that well. Since it is my primary IM protocol maybe I should learn something about XML .. hrm Yours, Chris On Feb 29, 2004, at 3:12 AM, Ops wrote: of coursewhat would be lost in all this...is the *valuable* information trail that is created by the list itself...just the (valid) banter so far about which IM technology would be the one...is, well, telling...and (IMHO) proof enough that the concept, while novel and not without merit...is futile to even consider with today's technology(s) and the fruits which would become inaccessible to the list at large Opie Brian Yennie wrote: I should add as bait to many that the Jabber protocol is relatively easy to implement. A Rev chat client could easily tap into the major IM networks that way. for OSX I heartily recommend Fire http://fire.sourceforge.net/ ... very well done, overall. I use it for Jabber and AIM. Of course some functionality is lost, as mentioned, but overall I find it to be the best choice for me. Yours, Chris On Feb 28, 2004, at 7:39 PM, Ken Ray wrote: www.indigofield.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: using a custom property as a sort key ?
On Feb 29, 2004, at 1:10 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 2/28/04 10:55 PM, Christopher Mitchell wrote: using a hidden background field to do the work of a custom property is a kludge. Okay. How about: sort cards of this stack by (the index of this cd) I didn't try it but it should work. Let us know. That won't work unless you're on the card with Index = 1 Right. Note that marking cards does not reorder them in the stack. If you don't care about the card order and you just want to go to a specific card, then using marked cards is definitely simpler. I think there are two different things going on. Sorting the cards re-orders them but doesn't necessarily move you to a specific card. Marking one and then going to it takes you there but doesn't rearrange the cards in the stack. I'm still not quite sure which one you want to do. No, it's really just one thing. I want to do both. I want to find/goto the card with Index = 1, then sort by the index of that cd. I just want to re-order a stack of cards to the numeric order that is in their custom property, but you have to be on the right card in order to do that. I'd rather not have to go to the card and just sort by the index, but that doesn't seem to give any useful order. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: using a custom property as a sort key ?
Tom, Hrm, I'll look into this property then provided it can be 'set' . I would just sort on the card ID number except that I created 4 cards in the beginning to test the audio and transport controls, then added the other 20+ cards later, after a lot of added/deleted additional cards which threw off the numbers. Yours, Chris On Feb 29, 2004, at 7:31 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: Chris, Don't forget the altID of each card as well... The altID does not change if you have them in the preferred order when you set the altID. This is good to get back to the original order. Then you can use the index of card to sort other ways. TOM On Feb 28, 2004, at 11:58 PM, Christopher Mitchell wrote: This looks like something just about what I was hoping for. It is still not my perfect syntax but if it does the same thing then so be it. What I'm really looking for (ideally) is a command that bypasses the marking/going step and just goes there. go card where (the Index of this card = 1) or go card with the Index = 1 an exact parallel of something like: go card with the short name foo In any case these beat my solution - but I was very pleased with myself for having made it work on my own even in a very crude script. Thanks, Chris On Feb 28, 2004, at 10:10 PM, Ken Ray wrote: How's this: mark cards where (the Index of this card = 1) go next marked card unmark all cards -- just to be safe HTH, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Mitchell Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 9:11 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: using a custom property as a sort key ? Howdy, Is it possible to use a custom property as a sort key? I have a stack of flashcards that have an embedded permanent order in the form of a custom property called Index. I use a pretty crude script to flip through all the cards (after being shuffled, aka sort on key random), find the one with index 1, go to it, then sort on it. Is it possible to say something like: go to card with Index of 1 ? (obviously that is not appropriate transcript, as i'm searching for the syntax)... this would be similar to saying something along the lines of go to card with short name xyz Surely this is implemented, and I just can't find it. Yours, Chris ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use- revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: using a custom property as a sort key ?
Indeed, I'll look at this later and make sure I just didn't have something typed wrong before, and if not then I'll put up the rev file to get a double check that I'm just not doing something wrong before doing bugzilla. The standalone is already up but it would not demonstrate much since it is hardcoded now to go to that card with Index = 1. And the rev file might not be very useful to show that it is being sorted weirdly unless the viewer knows the hebrew alphabet, but I will try to get that sorted soon. Thanks for your input here! Yours, Chris On Feb 29, 2004, at 12:55 PM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote: At 11:28 AM -0600 2/29/2004, Christopher Mitchell wrote: sort cards of this stack by (the index of this cd) I didn't try it but it should work. Let us know. That won't work unless you're on the card with Index = 1 Jacque's example certainly ought to work. If you have a stack that shows this bug, it might be a good idea to file it in Bugzilla. -- jeanne a. e. devoto ~ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.jaedworks.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Rev on ICQ ?
for OSX I heartily recommend Fire http://fire.sourceforge.net/ ... very well done, overall. I use it for Jabber and AIM. Of course some functionality is lost, as mentioned, but overall I find it to be the best choice for me. Yours, Chris On Feb 28, 2004, at 7:39 PM, Ken Ray wrote: www.indigofield.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
using a custom property as a sort key ?
Howdy, Is it possible to use a custom property as a sort key? I have a stack of flashcards that have an embedded permanent order in the form of a custom property called Index. I use a pretty crude script to flip through all the cards (after being shuffled, aka sort on key random), find the one with index 1, go to it, then sort on it. Is it possible to say something like: go to card with Index of 1 ? (obviously that is not appropriate transcript, as i'm searching for the syntax)... this would be similar to saying something along the lines of go to card with short name xyz Surely this is implemented, and I just can't find it. Yours, Chris ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: using a custom property as a sort key ?
On Feb 28, 2004, at 10:07 PM, J. Landman Gay wrote: Is it possible to use a custom property as a sort key? You mean, to sort cards? yes, as you guessed to resort them back to their native order I'm not sure I'm clear on what you want to do, but if it is to return the cards to their native order, then the usual method is to place the index number into a hidden background field (a grouped field) that is placed on all cards. Then you can just sort cards of this stack by fld 'index'. well, that's what I want to do by custom property. the trouble is if you don't sort on the card whether by field or customer property with value 1, they get sorted in a VERY bizarre order. I can't even really explain what the order is based on if you did a sort cards of this stack by this card on a card that was not actually the first one. using a hidden background field to do the work of a custom property is a kludge. If you are just trying to go to a card with a certain index number rather than trying to rearrange the cards, then a naming convention is easiest. Name your cards flash1, flash2, etc. Then you can: go cd (flashindex) can't do this as the card names are already tied into associated audiofiles. Another way: keep the custom card properties and when the stack starts up, create an array by scanning through all the cards and storing their index property number along with the card ID. Then when you want to go to a particular index, look it up in the array and go to that card ID. this might be something to look into. it would be essentially what I am doing now on each re-order command, but would keep from having to do the search each time. This seems awkward though to have to create and manage a separate array just to access custom properties - rather than access them directly. I guess though that custom properties aren't really equals in Transcript terms to native properties. (short name, card ID, etc... ) this is unfortunate. Actually Ken's response is probably the simplest answer for doing what I want to do. It is halfway between what I want to do and your methods. There are just so many ways of doing things in transcript! Thanks very much! Chris ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: using a custom property as a sort key ?
This looks like something just about what I was hoping for. It is still not my perfect syntax but if it does the same thing then so be it. What I'm really looking for (ideally) is a command that bypasses the marking/going step and just goes there. go card where (the Index of this card = 1) or go card with the Index = 1 an exact parallel of something like: go card with the short name foo In any case these beat my solution - but I was very pleased with myself for having made it work on my own even in a very crude script. Thanks, Chris On Feb 28, 2004, at 10:10 PM, Ken Ray wrote: How's this: mark cards where (the Index of this card = 1) go next marked card unmark all cards -- just to be safe HTH, Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Mitchell Sent: Saturday, February 28, 2004 9:11 PM To: How to use Revolution Subject: using a custom property as a sort key ? Howdy, Is it possible to use a custom property as a sort key? I have a stack of flashcards that have an embedded permanent order in the form of a custom property called Index. I use a pretty crude script to flip through all the cards (after being shuffled, aka sort on key random), find the one with index 1, go to it, then sort on it. Is it possible to say something like: go to card with Index of 1 ? (obviously that is not appropriate transcript, as i'm searching for the syntax)... this would be similar to saying something along the lines of go to card with short name xyz Surely this is implemented, and I just can't find it. Yours, Chris ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use- revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: # actually the short way returns an error / PARENTHESES
It is true that the polygon needs to be regular, which really leaves a lot to be desired... you can't rotate non-regular vector art, and you can't rotate groups of art regular or not. so the things you're rotating are pretty limited. and my results from rotating things I created with the weird paint tool experience shall not even be discussed. btw I don't know that we call these delimiters anything in English. They are simply less-than/greater-than signs. I know, however, they they are typographer's quotation marks as around the world. Yours, Chris On Feb 22, 2004, at 2:36 AM, Malte Brill wrote: hi opie and all, GEEZ!! I did it again!!! g I always say brackets ( is that []? ) when I mean parentheses [ is that ()?]. What is the english name of these ? If you happen to see me saying something about brackets it is always possible I mean parentheses and vice versa... :-( In the example I sent, there is a precedence problem. I was pretty confused about that problem and if I remember correctly 1.1.1 compiled and ran the non parenthesis version.. I might be wrong there. P.S. Don't know what kind of graphic that pointer1 is...but...in my test, although it compiled correctly with the above...*my* pointer1 didn't seem to rotate... Needs to be a regular polygon. (I had to look it up, because it didn´t rotate here either.) Best, Malte ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: # actually the short way returns an error / PARENTHESES (OT)
But not all circumflexes should be pointy, and since standard ascii doesn't allow for combining characters how was this intended to be useful as a character on a computer keyboard? (just thinking outloud, as someone very familiar with using alt-key combinations and accents, including circumflex, this has always seemed like a second-best choice for what would be on the 6 key - and just following as a vestige of typewriters that actually allowed a back-up overstrike) Yours, Chris On Feb 22, 2004, at 10:12 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: circumflex is the language reference for ^ (shift 6) but is also referred to as the caret key. On Feb 22, 2004, at 10:36 AM, Marian Petrides wrote: Actually a caret is a ^ (shift 6 on your keyboard). Is carrot the correct jargonese or just a misspelling of caret? M On Feb 22, 2004, at 9:45 AM, Thomas McGrath III wrote: are angle brackets in typography! but in computer jargon they have always been called carrots around here Tom On Feb 22, 2004, at 7:09 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: What is the english name of these ? I thought these are called angle brackets ? :) http://info.astrian.net/jargon/terms/a/angle_brackets.html Shishi ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution Thomas J. McGrath III SCS 1000 Killarney Dr. Pittsburgh, PA 15234 412-885-8541 ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Graphic Rotation
Scott, The tmpanel loaded and is very nicely designed, but the contents come up with a lot of html tags and the only live url is for the first demo. looks like some great stuff in here hiding among the tags. Yours, Chris On Feb 22, 2004, at 12:28 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Christopher Mitchell wrote: It is true that the polygon needs to be regular, which really leaves a lot to be desired... you can't rotate non-regular vector art, and you can't rotate groups of art regular or not. so the things you're rotating are pretty limited. You might want to look at our Tangram demo stack -- you may be able to adapt something there to your needs (math routines developed by Carl Manaster). Enter the following in your message box and scroll to the bottom of the list: go url http://www.tactilemedia.com/tmpanel.rev; Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Graphic Rotation
I got it to work with an internal reload of the demos channel. rev 2.1.2 . This is some very interesting stuff in here all right. I think some of the math routines could be replaced by native functions now in rev (like atan) but it's really neat! Was this imported from HC, or are all the little cards that each hold one image (regular hc/mc icons) part of the optionally included graphics in the app builder? very cool stuff, all of it. This is a totally different application of the environment than I'd seen up until this point and I think some standalone demos of these would better impress upon my java friend that RunRev is not a toy gui maker. Yours, Chris On Feb 22, 2004, at 4:08 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: Recently, Christopher Mitchell wrote: The tmpanel loaded and is very nicely designed, but the contents come up with a lot of html tags and the only live url is for the first demo. looks like some great stuff in here hiding among the tags. Works fine here. What version of Rev are you using? Alternatively, you can try this: go url http://www.tactilemedia.com/download/tangram.rev; Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Multimedia Design Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web: www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Graphic Rotation
If by this you mean non-standalones would be more impressive, he doesn't have the runtime environment on his machine . Yours, Chris On Feb 22, 2004, at 4:28 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: I think some standalone demos of these would better impress upon my java friend that RunRev is not a toy gui maker. In fact, the reverse may be more accurate. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: MouseRelease (was Scrolling a Card?)
Ah, thanks, Ken... yes this is what I was asking about. Makes sense but is not something I would have thought about, and a few cycles beyond me at this point. Something to archive for the future. :)_~ Yours, Chris On Feb 21, 2004, at 2:19 AM, Ken Norris wrote: Howdy, Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 20:09:37 -0600 From: J. Landman Gay [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Scrolling a Card? On 2/20/04 5:53 PM, Christopher Mitchell wrote: Could you please explain under what circumstances this handler would require to be explicitly declared? This seems like something implicit to the engine, and if not handled reliably then how many other things need to be re-defined? That's not exactly how it works; it isn't about defining but rather about access. - Not sure what you're thinking of here. Christopher's actual post looks like this: * Date: Fri, 20 Feb 2004 17:53:43 -0600 From: Christopher Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] Subject: Re: Scrolling a Card? Klaus, Could you please explain under what circumstances this handler would require to be explicitly declared? This seems like something implicit to the engine, and if not handled reliably then how many other things need to be re-defined? Yours, Chris On Feb 20, 2004, at 4:17 PM, Klaus Major wrote: on mouserelease mouseup end mouserelease ** ...So, I think the only thing he was referring to was the doubling up of the mouse events, IOW, he was questioning why a mouseUp, then a mouserelease that refers to the mouseUp. It does look suspiscious if he doesn't know what's actually happening Here's hoping he reads on to this. For Christopher: Here's the deal. In Rev, mouseUp messages only take place within the actual control object. IOW, if the user drags the mouse ouside the object and releases, the _object_ not get a mouseUp message. Consequently, if you want to be sure Rev gets the mouseUp message (or some other message related to releasing outside the object), you need to handle the mouseRelease message as well. Take a look at mouseRelease in the dictionary. All the best, Ken N. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Appropriate syntax for referencing objects in a looping structure?
Howdy, Another likely simple question for which the specific documentation does not seem readily available, or at least accessible. Hopefully someday other newbies will benefit from all these syntax questions and you all won't tar and feather me just yet. I feel like I've been spamming the list :/ - Ok, I've got a card with several graphic objects all named pointer1, pointer2, pointer3, etc. I want a repeat script to change the angle property of each one of them. The usual line that works outside the loop is, of course: set the angle of graphic pointer1 to rotAngle The problem comes in getting the 'set' command to properly parse any of the content I'm throwing at it in order to make it work in the same way using the counter generated by a 'repeat with' loop, as follows: repeat with i = 1 to 3 put quote pointer i quote into tName answer tName -- this is giving me the right content: pointer1 set the angle of graphic tName to rotAngle -- this line chokes with chunk error, no such object. hint: pointer1 end repeat As indicated by the comment, I put in the 'answer' just as a sanity check and the contents of tName at that point are exactly what I would type into the usual line; yet it tells me that there is a chunk error:no such object - with the hint, ironically, as pointer1 ... Is there some way i need to escape this variable tName when I put it in the 'set' statement in order to make it use the contents literally, exactly as if I had typed them in? I've tried several combinations of using the quote constant and the '' operator, but the 'set' command definitely does not like having those things in its strings anymore than moving it out into a variable. Thanks, Chris ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Appropriate syntax for referencing objects in a looping structure?
Opie, Thanks for the reply. well, yes, you're right that this works - and I would have sworn I had tried it, but I guess the confusion stems from the fact that in my regular format I have to use the quotes. So I must have just been loading the variable wrong earlier when I was doing it before I looked up 'quote' ... :/ It seems weird to not put quotes when it is in a variable and to put them when it is not. The shorter way is the first thing I tried! I promise! must have been 4am typos or something. Thanks again! Yours, Chris, the Newbie On Feb 21, 2004, at 6:15 AM, Ops wrote: Christopher, The name of your graphic pointer is: pointer1 It's NOT pointer1 (with the double quotes). In your lone set statement, the quotes merely tell the engine that what's enclosed (withing the quotes) should be treated (or looked upon) as a literal string and NOT a variable/container...so in effect, your lone set statement actually conveys to the engine the literal string: pointer1 In your repeat loop, you are telling the engine to look for a container named pointer1 instead of pointer1, and it does not find it, and thus generates the error. Change your repeat to: repeat with i = 1 to 3 put pointer i into tName answer tName -- should now give you the right content: pointer1 set the angle of graphic tName to rotAngle end repeat A shorter way to write the above would be: repeat with i = 1 to 3 set the angle of graphic pointer i to rotAngle end repeat Hope this was clear. Opie Christopher Mitchell wrote: Howdy, Another likely simple question for which the specific documentation does not seem readily available, or at least accessible. Hopefully someday other newbies will benefit from all these syntax questions and you all won't tar and feather me just yet. I feel like I've been spamming the list :/ - Ok, I've got a card with several graphic objects all named pointer1, pointer2, pointer3, etc. I want a repeat script to change the angle property of each one of them. The usual line that works outside the loop is, of course: set the angle of graphic pointer1 to rotAngle The problem comes in getting the 'set' command to properly parse any of the content I'm throwing at it in order to make it work in the same way using the counter generated by a 'repeat with' loop, as follows: repeat with i = 1 to 3 put quote pointer i quote into tName answer tName -- this is giving me the right content: pointer1 set the angle of graphic tName to rotAngle -- this line chokes with chunk error, no such object. hint: pointer1 end repeat As indicated by the comment, I put in the 'answer' just as a sanity check and the contents of tName at that point are exactly what I would type into the usual line; yet it tells me that there is a chunk error:no such object - with the hint, ironically, as pointer1 ... Is there some way i need to escape this variable tName when I put it in the 'set' statement in order to make it use the contents literally, exactly as if I had typed them in? I've tried several combinations of using the quote constant and the '' operator, but the 'set' command definitely does not like having those things in its strings anymore than moving it out into a variable. Thanks, Chris ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
actually the short way returns an error
Opie, I think the thing that confused me from the beginning and caused me to use that variable was that putting in : repeat with i = 1 to 3 set the angle of graphic pointer i to rotAngle end repeat returns an error in the script debugger of type: set, missing 'to' so by putting in the concatenation, the set command does not follow to the to ... and of course, you can't put the i counter in quotes, so that's why I started pulling it out of the line. Is there a good reason why the script shouldn't like the inline concatenation though? that seems absurd. Yours, Chris On Feb 21, 2004, at 6:15 AM, Ops wrote: set the angle of graphic pointer i to rotAngle ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Does anyone actually USE the Animation Builder?
Devin, This is a known issue on bugzilla and hopefully it will be fixed soon. I also think this is an OSX only thing, because the animation I was testing with (similar to the one in the tutorial) played back smoothly on Windows. see bugs 333 and 1178. These should probably be combined. I think Kevin submitted both from me, but 333 is assigned and should be sufficient. Chris Yours, Chris On Feb 20, 2004, at 10:31 AM, Devin Asay wrote: All, I'm trying to figure out why animations built in the Animation Builder perform so miserably once you've left the AB environment. I've searched the archives and have found several queries on this subject, but no one seems to know the answer. Specifically, if you create an animation in the AB it plays back smoothly as long as you are in that environment. But as soon as you close the Animation Builder window and try to play back the animation using revPlayAnimation, the playback is jerky, jumpy and generally unacceptable. This behavior does not improve when you compile the stack as a standalone executable. So back to my original question: Can animations created in the Animation Builder actually be used in applications, or is the AB just a fun toy to play around with? Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Does anyone actually USE the Animation Builder?
Devin, Did you see my reply? This is a known issue in bugzilla, and it is a Mac problem. Yours, Chris On Feb 20, 2004, at 12:37 PM, Devin Asay wrote: Okay, I got my hands on a Windows machine running Rev 2.1 under Win 2000. The animations run reasonably well outside of the Animation Builder, so this appears to be a Mac (PPC?) issue. Can anyone else confirm that this works okay under Windows? Devin On Feb 20, 2004, at 9:31 AM, Devin Asay wrote: All, I'm trying to figure out why animations built in the Animation Builder perform so miserably once you've left the AB environment. I've searched the archives and have found several queries on this subject, but no one seems to know the answer. Specifically, if you create an animation in the AB it plays back smoothly as long as you are in that environment. But as soon as you close the Animation Builder window and try to play back the animation using revPlayAnimation, the playback is jerky, jumpy and generally unacceptable. This behavior does not improve when you compile the stack as a standalone executable. So back to my original question: Can animations created in the Animation Builder actually be used in applications, or is the AB just a fun toy to play around with? Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University Devin Asay Humanities Technology and Research Support Center Brigham Young University ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Scrolling a Card?
Klaus, Could you please explain under what circumstances this handler would require to be explicitly declared? This seems like something implicit to the engine, and if not handled reliably then how many other things need to be re-defined? Yours, Chris On Feb 20, 2004, at 4:17 PM, Klaus Major wrote: on mouserelease mouseup end mouserelease ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
simple local variable question
Howdy, I'm declaring some local variables at the top of a card script that I need to use in several handlers... here is a simplified recipe question that will help me understand why I'm not able to access the values I'm assigning to them: --card script begins here local rotAngle put 20 into rotAngle on mouseUp answer rotAngle end mouseUp -- My question is, why does this not put up an answer dialog with 20 in it? the dialog that comes up is empty. Thanks, Chris ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: simple local variable question
However, that is contrary to the documentation for the local command: You create a script local variable by using the local command in a script, outside any handlers in the script. (pasted from transcript dictionary) So I'm still not convinced that it must be in a handler, or if so then the documentation is misleading. Yours, Chris On Feb 20, 2004, at 7:20 PM, Phil Davis wrote: - Original Message - From: Christopher Mitchell [EMAIL PROTECTED] To: How to use Revolution [EMAIL PROTECTED] Sent: Friday, February 20, 2004 4:55 PM Subject: simple local variable question Howdy, I'm declaring some local variables at the top of a card script that I need to use in several handlers... here is a simplified recipe question that will help me understand why I'm not able to access the values I'm assigning to them: --card script begins here local rotAngle put 20 into rotAngle on mouseUp answer rotAngle end mouseUp -- My question is, why does this not put up an answer dialog with 20 in it? the dialog that comes up is empty. It comes up empty because nothing can ever cause 'rotAngle' to be set. Any executable code not inside a handler can never be executed. Phil Davis Thanks, Chris ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: simple local variable question
Dar, This seems to have helped. Evidently although the script local variables are declared outside handlers, the put assignment is not evaluated so they must be initialized in the declaration if they need initial values. If they were all dynamic values perhaps declaring at the top then immediately following with a set of initialization assignments in cardOpen. Thanks very much. Yours, Chris On Feb 20, 2004, at 7:21 PM, Dar Scott wrote: On Friday, February 20, 2004, at 05:55 PM, Christopher Mitchell wrote: --card script begins here local rotAngle put 20 into rotAngle on mouseUp answer rotAngle end mouseUp -- Does this help? --card script begins here local rotAngle = 20 on mouseUp answer rotAngle end mouseUp -- See About... the structure of a script in the doc. My question is, why does this not put up an answer dialog with 20 in it? the dialog that comes up is empty. Another question might be why doesn't the compiler complain. I have gotten the impression is that this is for some legacy code in which people hide data in scripts for some reason. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: simple local variable question
er, or openCard rather... On Feb 21, 2004, at 12:44 AM, Christopher Mitchell wrote: Dar, This seems to have helped. Evidently although the script local variables are declared outside handlers, the put assignment is not evaluated so they must be initialized in the declaration if they need initial values. If they were all dynamic values perhaps declaring at the top then immediately following with a set of initialization assignments in cardOpen. Thanks very much. Yours, Chris On Feb 20, 2004, at 7:21 PM, Dar Scott wrote: On Friday, February 20, 2004, at 05:55 PM, Christopher Mitchell wrote: --card script begins here local rotAngle put 20 into rotAngle on mouseUp answer rotAngle end mouseUp -- Does this help? --card script begins here local rotAngle = 20 on mouseUp answer rotAngle end mouseUp -- See About... the structure of a script in the doc. My question is, why does this not put up an answer dialog with 20 in it? the dialog that comes up is empty. Another question might be why doesn't the compiler complain. I have gotten the impression is that this is for some legacy code in which people hide data in scripts for some reason. Dar Scott ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Place group on all cards, after already duplicated
Howdy, Just wondering if there is a way to place a group on all cards - if you realized after you've already duplicated and individualized all cards in a particular stack with an original, but deficient, set of controls. kind of like oops I really should have put a close button in this.. Just off the top of my head, adding that extra control to the originally duplicated group should do it, right? on the other hand, if you wanted it to be a separate group, one might have to do something like (this is very mocked up) repeat with i = 1 to the number of cards place group foo end repeat I don't particularly want to add it to the original control group, but I don't want to edit each individual card either. the UI makes accessing card elements and doing multicard edits or even multicard deletions difficult unless you write a small script to do it. or maybe I just don't know what's going on! Yours, Chris ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What is causing my missing taskbar (makes it necessary to ctrl-alt-del to close, can't tab back)
Ok, so it seems that palette windows do not create the taskbar item. Is there a way to force it to do so? I really want to have it just a menu... i guess I can do without it being in palette form. Yours, Chris On Feb 18, 2004, at 7:40 PM, Christopher Mitchell wrote: howdy, If this is in the docs, just point me there, but the only thing I found about the windows taskbar was the command to hide and show it. I've got an app for which the main stack is never revealed to the user. It houses scripts and is the container for the substacks, but it is always hidden. As soon as the application starts, it immediately opens up a palette with buttons to turn off and on other substack windows for different purposes. Well this seems to be working pretty well, except under windows this seems to run as an invisible application - that is to say, it doesn't put the title/icon down in the taskbar and you cannot tab to it. So, if you're using it and tab away from it, it disappears but is still in memory, thus the only way to close it down is to ctl-alt-del. Under OSX, the icon shows up in the dock as well as in the command-tab list. Is there any way to make this show up as a non-invisible app under windows without revealing that main stack? I really need to keep it hidden (and not just off screen somewhere :/) Thanks, Chris ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What is causing my missing taskbar (makes it necessary to ctrl-alt-del to close, can't tab back)
it might. i'm coming across a new problem that seems bizarre to me, i'll post it separately then see if this worked. Yours, Chris On Feb 18, 2004, at 9:34 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: A modeless window is similar to a palette (not editable) but doesn't float like a palette. Would that work? Sarah On 19 Feb 2004, at 1:21 pm, Christopher Mitchell wrote: Ok, so it seems that palette windows do not create the taskbar item. Is there a way to force it to do so? I really want to have it just a menu... i guess I can do without it being in palette form. Yours, Chris ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
closeStackRequest handling oddness - main stack keeps quitting out
Hello, again... I have three stacks - a main stack acting as a menu with buttons that should be highlighted when that particular function is activated, and (currently only) 2 windows that pop up when my one button is activated. they are supposed to be closed when that button is clicked again. Well, strange things are happening now that I moved my menu toolbar onto my main stack, and there is some weird interaction in the realm of close stack handling. This script is in the main stack, thus inherited all around: on closeStackRequest answer Quit program? with Yes or No if it is Yes then pass closeStackRequest end closeStackRequest on closeStack quit end closeStack -- to make this behavior not happen in the other two stacks open, I have put this in each one (if there is a way to localize a handler to prevent inheritance, please let me know): on closeStackRequest end closeStackRequest -- finally, I have this button script on the main stack which go's to and closes the two substacks, as well as toggles the highlight of the button itself and a custom property to keep tabs on its status: on mouseUp if the selectStatus of me is off then set the selectStatus of me to on set the hilight of me to true set the defaultStack to consonants go stack consonants palette stack controls else set the selectStatus of me to off set the highlight of me to false close stack consonants close stack controls set the defaultStack to main end if end mouseUp -- Okay, this was all working well until I got rid of the SUBSTACK toolbar, which had previously been my visible main menu and handled the close request/program quitting. because it is a sibling, it did not mess with the other substacks. Now, however, the main stack causes all the stacks to inherit this functionality, and even though they are blocked off with an empty pair of handlers to override the main function, everytime I click the button the second time (thus to close the other two stacks and turn off the highlighting) the whole thing closes WITHOUT going through the Do you want to quit handler! I don't see why the main stack would be receiving a close stack message here, and certainly why, if it were receiving this message, my Yes or No handler would be over-ridden. If anyone has time to instruct me in the errors of my ways here, I'd appreciate it as it is driving me batty. Yours, Chris ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: closeStackRequest handling oddness - main stack keeps quitting out
somehow these lines: --close stack consonants --close stack controls in the button onMouseup handler, are making their way into the main stack and simultaneously bypassing the closestackrequest handler. If I comment these lines, as such, the highlight toggles and the thing does not quit. I do not see the logical message path here. Yours, Chris On Feb 18, 2004, at 9:56 PM, Christopher Mitchell wrote: Hello, again... I have three stacks - a main stack acting as a menu with buttons that should be highlighted when that particular function is activated, and (currently only) 2 windows that pop up when my one button is activated. they are supposed to be closed when that button is clicked again. Well, strange things are happening now that I moved my menu toolbar onto my main stack, and there is some weird interaction in the realm of close stack handling. This script is in the main stack, thus inherited all around: on closeStackRequest answer Quit program? with Yes or No if it is Yes then pass closeStackRequest end closeStackRequest on closeStack quit end closeStack -- to make this behavior not happen in the other two stacks open, I have put this in each one (if there is a way to localize a handler to prevent inheritance, please let me know): on closeStackRequest end closeStackRequest -- finally, I have this button script on the main stack which go's to and closes the two substacks, as well as toggles the highlight of the button itself and a custom property to keep tabs on its status: on mouseUp if the selectStatus of me is off then set the selectStatus of me to on set the hilight of me to true set the defaultStack to consonants go stack consonants palette stack controls else set the selectStatus of me to off set the highlight of me to false close stack consonants close stack controls set the defaultStack to main end if end mouseUp -- Okay, this was all working well until I got rid of the SUBSTACK toolbar, which had previously been my visible main menu and handled the close request/program quitting. because it is a sibling, it did not mess with the other substacks. Now, however, the main stack causes all the stacks to inherit this functionality, and even though they are blocked off with an empty pair of handlers to override the main function, everytime I click the button the second time (thus to close the other two stacks and turn off the highlighting) the whole thing closes WITHOUT going through the Do you want to quit handler! I don't see why the main stack would be receiving a close stack message here, and certainly why, if it were receiving this message, my Yes or No handler would be over-ridden. If anyone has time to instruct me in the errors of my ways here, I'd appreciate it as it is driving me batty. Yours, Chris ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
might have figured it out, could I get a verification on this
It seems that, and I guess in a way it makes sense, if there is no over-riding handler in the children, the message path goes all the way up until it finds it, then it runs it in that location. So I've over come this by putting a series of empty handlers in each of the substacks. It seems like this could be easier if there was a way to specify that certain stacks in parents were not inherited... am I missing this? Yours, Chris On Feb 18, 2004, at 10:01 PM, Christopher Mitchell wrote: somehow these lines: --close stack consonants --close stack controls in the button onMouseup handler, are making their way into the main stack and simultaneously bypassing the closestackrequest handler. If I comment these lines, as such, the highlight toggles and the thing does not quit. I do not see the logical message path here. Yours, Chris On Feb 18, 2004, at 9:56 PM, Christopher Mitchell wrote: Hello, again... I have three stacks - a main stack acting as a menu with buttons that should be highlighted when that particular function is activated, and (currently only) 2 windows that pop up when my one button is activated. they are supposed to be closed when that button is clicked again. Well, strange things are happening now that I moved my menu toolbar onto my main stack, and there is some weird interaction in the realm of close stack handling. This script is in the main stack, thus inherited all around: on closeStackRequest answer Quit program? with Yes or No if it is Yes then pass closeStackRequest end closeStackRequest on closeStack quit end closeStack -- to make this behavior not happen in the other two stacks open, I have put this in each one (if there is a way to localize a handler to prevent inheritance, please let me know): on closeStackRequest end closeStackRequest -- finally, I have this button script on the main stack which go's to and closes the two substacks, as well as toggles the highlight of the button itself and a custom property to keep tabs on its status: on mouseUp if the selectStatus of me is off then set the selectStatus of me to on set the hilight of me to true set the defaultStack to consonants go stack consonants palette stack controls else set the selectStatus of me to off set the highlight of me to false close stack consonants close stack controls set the defaultStack to main end if end mouseUp -- Okay, this was all working well until I got rid of the SUBSTACK toolbar, which had previously been my visible main menu and handled the close request/program quitting. because it is a sibling, it did not mess with the other substacks. Now, however, the main stack causes all the stacks to inherit this functionality, and even though they are blocked off with an empty pair of handlers to override the main function, everytime I click the button the second time (thus to close the other two stacks and turn off the highlighting) the whole thing closes WITHOUT going through the Do you want to quit handler! I don't see why the main stack would be receiving a close stack message here, and certainly why, if it were receiving this message, my Yes or No handler would be over-ridden. If anyone has time to instruct me in the errors of my ways here, I'd appreciate it as it is driving me batty. Yours, Chris ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What is causing my missing taskbar (makes it necessary to ctrl-alt-del to close, can't tab back)
Neither the modeless nor the palette show up in the Windows taskbar. Really since neither of them work I'd choose the palette so it always remains focused looking. I'm hoping there's a way to force this to show as a running program in the taskbar, but I guess I could just make it a regular window under Windows. Yours, Chris On Feb 18, 2004, at 9:34 PM, Sarah Reichelt wrote: A modeless window is similar to a palette (not editable) but doesn't float like a palette. Would that work? Sarah On 19 Feb 2004, at 1:21 pm, Christopher Mitchell wrote: Ok, so it seems that palette windows do not create the taskbar item. Is there a way to force it to do so? I really want to have it just a menu... i guess I can do without it being in palette form. Yours, Chris ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: What is causing my missing taskbar (makes it necessary to ctrl-alt-del to close, can't tab back)
I've got a stack of name invis now being called from my mainstack preOpenStack handler, but it only shows up on the windows taskbar if there is actually a toplevel visible. thanks for the suggestion. Yours, Chris On Feb 18, 2004, at 10:49 PM, Scott Rossi wrote: Neither the modeless nor the palette show up in the Windows taskbar. Really since neither of them work I'd choose the palette so it always remains focused looking. I'm hoping there's a way to force this to show as a running program in the taskbar, but I guess I could just make it a regular window under Windows. Use a hidden topLevel window to display a name/icon in the taskbar, but keep your palette window as the main region of interaction. Regards, Scott Rossi Creative Director Tactile Media, Development Design - E: [EMAIL PROTECTED] W: http://www.tactilemedia.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: might have figured it out, could I get a verification on this
Alex, That if-then idiom looks like exactly what I was looking for. It should essentially cut off inheritance. I'll give it a shot tomorrow, but I think I'm done for the evening. Thanks very much. Yours, Chris On Feb 18, 2004, at 11:02 PM, Alex Rice wrote: On Feb 18, 2004, at 9:30 PM, Christopher Mitchell wrote: It seems that, and I guess in a way it makes sense, if there is no over-riding handler in the children, the message path goes all the way up until it finds it, then it runs it in that location. So I've over come this by putting a series of empty handlers in each of the substacks. It seems like this could be easier if there was a way to specify that certain stacks in parents were not inherited... am I missing this? The message path is just always there- you can't turn it off for any stacks. It's perfectly acceptable to put an empty handler if you want to trap a message and not have it reach the mainstack or whatever parent control. There is an idiom that can be used instead, and I like this better (learned on this list perhaps from Ken Ray). In a mainstack you can put: on preOpenStack if the owner of the target is me then -- handle mainstack message else -- handle substack message end if end preOpenStack Similarly, for a library stack start using, you want to check the target of the message: on libraryStack if the target me then exit libraryStack ... end libraryStack Check out Dar's excellent Message Mechanics primer to learn more about the message path. http://www.swcp.com/~dsc/revstacks.html -- Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Discrete Browser 1.4 - Yet Another release
Okay, that was supposed to not be on the list, but ah well. My wishes are more along the lines of wish I had gotten my rev license during the time when I could get Dan Shafer's book 1 on its own. Yours, Chris On Feb 17, 2004, at 4:11 AM, Christopher Mitchell wrote: hey this is looking good man. wish i had time to learn rev, but i haven't yet. i'm running on OSX. apple.com displays kind of funny.. if it doesn't on your end, i can send a screenshot later this week. Yours, Chris On Feb 17, 2004, at 2:07 AM, MisterX wrote: Hi everyone, It's so simple when you design nice groups that work independently of the stack... Copy paste features! Here's release 1.4 with media lists, links, view menu (change the display font and size), and the upcoming (but disabled) filtering. Added a home page and new icons for your visual pleasure. Last release before the weekend... All comments and issues (specialy regarding Mac or Linux which I cant test for the moment) are welcome... Feature requests are open! Enjoy! Xavier -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of MisterX Sent: Monday, February 16, 2004 21:07 To: How to use Revolution Subject: Rel: Discrete Browser 1.3 - the borg release A new version of the Discrete Browser is here under the mango tree (aaah, the inspiring sounds that drives this developper)! http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=Downloadsd_op=getitlid=44 Im still looking to scratch the guest can't download feature... Enjoy the stories, the sounds, the views! Enjoy your login and downloads, no popups or ads or banners or lame stories! ;) ;) So discrete is this small project that version 1.2 was this morning, 1.3 is here for the evening... V1.5 is a big paste job from XOS so hold your breath coz im integrating a zillion features at once ;). At the rate im adding features, it's gonna blow any browser you know! It may not have the most html-standard-respecting display but it will not loose one byte about what you download! A few novelties since last 1.0 mention are: - Google search (and many more to come) - wiki linkclicked support (other cgi's to be tested) - Added smart url guessing (monsieurx = www.monsieurx.com) - Added eventual failsafe for ftp links (ftp not really supported) - Finished the Favorites menu (delete with controlkey down, shiftkey reserved) - Fixed the source so that it displays the page instead of the filtered html, and also smarter format displays (many more to come) To disperse some rumors that Im rebuilding yet another browser... or just another dumb browser... XOS GUI is coming... - If you want to pitch in, I'll send you the feature dev plan or come and chat @ monsieurx.com! Hit that SPChat module! http://monsieurx.com/modules.php?name=SPChat ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Activate Rev.
Regarding Windows Scripting Host, isn't it optional on the system install? I seem to recall many times having to select it to be installed... Just thinking out loud that this might be an issue if one becomes dependent on its presence, unlike Applescript which is fully integrated, and used frequently as a result. I could be wrong here! Yours, Chris On Feb 15, 2004, at 8:17 AM, Mark MacKenzie wrote: rodney tamblyn wrote: Does anyone know of a way to activate Revolution (from a script) that is, bring it to the front if it is not the frontmost application? Thanks ~ Rodney -- Rodney Tamblyn 44 Melville Street I believe that you have to do this outside Revolution. On the Mac you can readily use Applescripting. Windows is a bit trickier. I have just been reviewing the Windows Scripting Host and it looks promising. Have a look at the Windows site for this. I created a simple *.vbs file in notepad. This is a text file created in Notepad and saved with .vbx suffix. When called it works through the Windows Scripting Host resident within Win2000 and XP. File Contents as follows: Const MAXIMIZE_WINDOW = 9 Set objShell = WScript.CreateObject(WScript.Shell) objShell.Run Revolution.exe, MAXIMIZE_WINDOW saved as file: minmaxprogwind.vbs Please be advised that this script does not do what you wish as when I just tested it with an instance of Revolution open and minimized it actually called another instance of Rev. and opened it maximized! This is a run command. Perhaps the answer lies through using a start using command. Certainly I was looking for that but found this instead.. You would also have to call this script from within whatever application you are using while Rev. app. is in the background. Many programs allow that. Back to poking around windows scripting! Mark MacKenzie ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Latitude and longitude and HIG
You might try XMenu as an in-bar applications/document menu plugin. it works well. http://www.devon-technologies.com/download.php Yours, Chris On Feb 14, 2004, at 2:24 AM, Stephen Quinn Barncard wrote: And *why* did Apple drop something as useful as the Map control panel? -- -Mark . I hate the way the windows work, and the loss of the Applications menu... I'm a hard core Apple guy and the dark side is worse to me but there is no reason for that except arrogance and an attempt to out do MS with useless flash. ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Qt vs Revolution
Also, at least on my powerbook, apps compiled with Qt have a giveaway buzz or hum when i move a window or panel. See http://psi.affinix.com/ and see if it does it for you. Also, as mentioned, this demonstrates how unMaclike the interface can be... It's pretty lame, and the pop up windows are all over the place. Later versions have been getting better but it's really kind of obnoxious so I use Fire instead for jabber. Yours, Chris On Feb 14, 2004, at 2:22 PM, Alex Rice wrote: On Feb 14, 2004, at 10:59 AM, Dar Scott wrote: I suggested to a customer that a new family of programs in their product be implemented in Revolution. The customer did (at some level) consider Revolution, but decided to go with Qt. How would folks here compare these? I've never programmed in QT (Trolltech SDK). So you probably know as much as I do :-) QT is a C++ application framework It's Windows/Linux/Mac OS X (No Mac Classic I think) It uses emulated widgets (maybe native look and feel, maybe no themes) So using QT would therefore take lots longer to develop with, and would look less like a native app than a runrev one. However QT surely has a more advanced set of GUI controls, including I am guessing spreadsheet and word processing controls. -- Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RR as a browser plugin?
And universities... IT departments in universities can be just as strange. My professor, a mac user for a particular program (Accordance), instead of being permitted to bring in his own computer at his own expense was given a very very very bottom of the barrel PC gray-box and some Mac emulation software. Now which do you think is going to be more of a challenge to support? But yes, they image everything as well and if education is a market for RunRev on the backend, this would work well enough there too. Maybe we should just get the engine preloaded, or perhaps I don't see why that is any more dangerous than any other engine being installed (.NET, java, etc... they're (in some sense) all very similar)) I did see some information about homestacks being infiltrated by a HyperCard virus, but that seems unlikely to be anymore dangerous than, for example, MS Office or Windows in general. Yours, Chris On Feb 12, 2004, at 1:37 AM, Alex Rice wrote: On Feb 12, 2004, at 12:27 AM, Richard Gaskin wrote: Because unless it's bundled it will still need to be downloaded, and if one needs to download and install something it could just as well provide multiple window, menus, and other options not possible in a browser. Look at the number of plugins in '98, and how few are left today. Bundling is the advantage of plugins. Without bundling, an engine's an engine It's not such a black and white issue. You are talking about average-joe-consumer out there with Windows 98, and generalizing that to say there is no advantage to browser plugins, period. I disagree. Look at IT departments that ghost their systems for rollouts. No downloading of plugins required. In fact downloading may not be allowed. In fact- public www access may not even be allowed! Corporations are strange places. -- Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RR as a browser plugin?
I don't know where the original message went to this, but there is emulation software that emulates a 68k environment, so installing a classic system would work. I know this, because I've installed system 8 on my p4 laptop before. Was it fun? no, but it worked. Basilisk ][. enjoy all ye daring! http://www.uni-mainz.de/~bauec002/B2Main.html And it wasn't a requirement for a class, but for his office machine, which makes even less sense. Yours, Chris On Feb 12, 2004, at 3:25 PM, Stephen Quinn Barncard wrote: But it's under Linux/PPC! If I had a Power PC processor, why bother, I'd just run Mac OS. Sure there is! http://www.maconlinux.org/ Among others. ummm there is no such thing as 'Mac Emulation Software' - Apple would never license the firmware...and if I had such Draconian requirements for a class, I'd change schools... ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RR as a browser plugin?
perhaps he forgot to specify that they would be singing the songs outside your window... This is an interesting idea, though, and something I think would be helpful. As was mentioned, however, it is unfortunately a non-trivial request for some people to have to install any 3rd party helper (it is only non-trivial when the 3rd party engines are installed without them knowing about it) because then they might have some thoughts about whether it is secure. in this case, then, following the threads about product placement, it might be a good thing that there is a Mac-centric flavor to the perception. Not many people make too many jokes about Apple or Apple products as being laughably insecure, unlike some competitors. Automating a single install of the runtime (and keeping it current) would be really interesting, and if implemented as described, could be used for other purposes. If there was one unified runtime download/install/setup-as-helper, then standalone apps could be generated in a mode more reminiscent of a stack - just a pointer executable that verifies the engine is already there, and if not downloads and/or updates it. Why have a separate engine in each standalone app if it could be had and used in one location, instantiated for each instance of Revolution app that is run at any given time. just thinking outloud. Yours, Chris On Feb 11, 2004, at 6:57 PM, Ken Ray wrote: The village people would sign songs about us Oh, good... then I wouldn't have to hear them... ;-) Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: RR as a browser plugin?
So I guess then the distinction brower plugin implies it runs in a heavily partitioned area that keeps it safe from being able to be exploited to damage the system... that could still be useful but it is probably easier or at least more useful to build the browser into Rev than to build rev into the browser. but for a bit of hope, I witnessed lots of women walking the streets unescorted at night in Buenos Aires last summer. I will keep my further comments mum! Yours, Chris On Feb 11, 2004, at 9:08 PM, Richard Gaskin wrote: [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Instead of a rev engine plug-in, I want one that makes the following scenario happen i roll out a web page with a link to my rev stack that triggers a plug-in required the user accepts the plug-in is downloaded it launches and downloads the rev client app AND (most importantly) configures the browser to use the app as the helper for the rev type the link to the rev stack now goes through and launches the rev helper app That type of scenario cuts the roll-out cost of the app significantly. IT would not have to go around and configure everyone. If we can offer that to clients then we will be local heroes. Yes, that would be as desirable as women being able to walk city streets at night without escort. But sadly neither is possible, for the same reason: criminals abound. A system that could automate what you've described would also allow the automatic installation of any executable, including spyware, viruses, or more dangerous, Microsoft products. -- Richard Gaskin Fourth World Media Corporation ___ [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://www.FourthWorld.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: REV and multimedia
I can give you a concrete reason why some of my Win only friends are edgy about having to install quicktime, and it is for the same reason I am edgy about having to install any product from Real media: there is, or at least has been in past installers, a tendency for QT to hijack media playing, and this is (again, an an older release) even with being careful about installation choices. If you get too many people gunshy of installing your product because it either has given them experience of hijacking their media (whether by user error or not-quite-okay install script) then they're not going to change easily... getting people to install anything when they have something comparable that works is like pulling teeth. i've been trying to convince a friend of mine to try iTunes on Windows for several months now, but because of the a) quicktime installation required, and b) some weird thing that happened no his machine with it on the first time he ran it, he's preferring to stick with Winamp. No amount of convincing him that he hasn't given it a fair shot or that QT installs very well on Win these days seems to make an effort, and so there is my story... Yours, Chris On Feb 9, 2004, at 11:24 AM, Stephen Quinn Barncard wrote: Why this big negative about using Apple technologies? Quicktime works well, and is free. All this Applephobia is getting really dumb. Does Sony think they will sell more videocams because they call Firewire iLink, even though Apple created it? People should get over the fact that Apple developed almost every new computer technology over the last 15 years and get over it. All the PC companies had plenty of time to develop iPods, Wireless, utilize USB (I know apple didn't invent it but they were the first to embrace it), and they invented a Teleconferencing system that actually worked well (iSight). All Windoze and Linux users have all benefited from Apple raising the bar and should admit it. As far as multimedia is concerned, Revolution as a native support for Quicktime, clearly an Apple technology. Windows and Linux users are not so happy... Claude ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: command-2 (previous) and command-3 (next), jumping by 2
Could you point the way to this script for someone who couldn't transcript his way out of a wet paper bag (yet)? I've certainly not looked into making editions in the IDE scripts, but if someone else debugs this and can kick back a recipe I have no problem following the directions. I can't even look at Rev the next week and a half though thanks to a disease called end of quarter research papers and presentations. Yours, Chris On Feb 9, 2004, at 7:41 AM, Robert Brenstein wrote: On Feb 7, 2004, at 12:22 PM, Jeanne A. E. DeVoto wrote: Increasing the delay might work, as a workaround. Oh god. Is this an engine bug or an IDE bug? Surely go next isn't broken? cmd-3 etc used to be in a frontscript of IDE (commandkeydown handler if I recall). I haven't looked at the current implementation in Rev but probably it is still the same. My guess is that there is a glitch and the front script handler is called twice but the issue may be elsewhere. This should be easy to verify by replacing the current frontscript with a debug version. Robert ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: Andy's comments and positioning...
That seems to have been the attitude starting day one of my first uni CS class, and among all the self-taught programmers of a variety of that paradigm language. The argument is, from my best friend the Java and Flash programmer but I could do that in Java or That would look better in Flash. I usually respond to him that I'm cat'ing all the contents of The Matrix DVD out to my printer and will mail it to him. Once he types it all in, I hope he enjoys the movie. I have heard from him and others time and time again but I can do that in [X] ... He goes to great lengths to learn the newer (much better looking) gui toolkits for Java and then he figures since he knows how to do it, he doesn't need to look at any other option for making the GUI by an easier method. (one that may have been available in the first place). I am like this too, sometimes, though. we all are. Often if I know only one way to get somewhere, I will drive that way every time. Someone else might know a way that cuts out 10 miles of driving, but I'm already comfortable with my way. it is for this reason that I would stand behind the argument that changing the xTalk/Transcript syntax to make it more feasible to C-paradigm programmers is inappropriate. Having Rev installed on my powerbook does not erase GCC should I be so inclined... Yours, Chris On Feb 9, 2004, at 8:02 AM, Rob Cozens wrote: If memory serves, none of these standard statements would pass a FORTRAN, COBOL, PL/1, Pascal, or Modula compiler or a BASIC interpreter. Must C syntax prevail for a language to be non-beginner-ish? ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: command-2 (previous) and command-3 (next), jumping by 2
Ahoy, So this seems very odd to me, and disruptive - is it then a known bug on bugzilla? Yours, Chris On Feb 7, 2004, at 1:53 AM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: Yup, happening over here too. :) Valetia ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: command-2 (previous) and command-3 (next), jumping by 2
Well, it could be that.. I'd say it is an IDE bug though - the stack I'm using has 4 cards on it and none of them have any referenced files (not referenced that would be displayed, there is a reference to audio but that is per button push). It's basically like I have a stack with 4 letters, one each on 4 cards. And it does the skipping even when the stack has been open for a long time, giving plenty of time for the system to buffer whatever it may care to buffer. The way I make it happen is to open the stack, open up the property inspector on any given item, and there it goes. note that it is only when I do it via the keyboard, not when I select the menu item. Yours, Chris On Feb 7, 2004, at 11:58 PM, Alex Rice wrote: On Feb 7, 2004, at 10:51 PM, Alex Rice wrote: 5) Forget it, now the problem isn't happening. It was a moment ago. I hate this intermittent kind of bug. I have a hunch it's related to delays and loading images from disk. I have another project that doesn't use images very much at all, and I've never run into this bug on that project. -- Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: command-2 (previous) and command-3 (next), jumping by 2
Here's a stack and method by which I can replicate it: see attachment. Steps: 1) open stack jumpingbug.rev - don't click the stack. 2) immediately select Object-Card Inspector 3) hit command-3 ... It's jumping for me. If this list is stripping attachments, which it probably should, the stack is up at http://www.luminus.com/runrev/jumping/jumpingbug.rev Yours, Chris On Feb 7, 2004, at 11:58 PM, Alex Rice wrote: On Feb 7, 2004, at 10:51 PM, Alex Rice wrote: 5) Forget it, now the problem isn't happening. It was a moment ago. I hate this intermittent kind of bug. I have a hunch it's related to delays and loading images from disk. I have another project that doesn't use images very much at all, and I've never run into this bug on that project. -- Alex Rice | Mindlube Software | http://mindlube.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
New to the Revolution, excited but confused about cross-platform UI insanity! Rev poets, come to my aid, please.
Hey, folks, I've just registered a Studio license this week and have been tooling around with this fabulous software, but I'm having some concerns when it comes to how very simple Win32 windows are being represented in contrast to the Mac windows. Now, I'm aware of the 21 pixel issue if there is a menu in play (which I guess is always) but please take a look at these small shots: http://www.luminus.com/runrev/ The filenames are self-explanatory. I built the Windows standalone based on the Mac stack as you see it. I did some adjusting and was messing around with property profiles to try to get a Mac and a Windows setup where there was enough space and proper alignment, but there seems to be more to it than just that. Note where the glyph in the Windows shot is being cutoff. If I turn a grid plugin on in the editor on the mac, it shows that I have a little over 30 (THIRTY) pixels space between the top of the glyph and the top edge of the stack window. As you can see, it is about equidistant to the little control bundle at the bottom. No matter how you slice it, taking into account the menu area at the top (which is still narrower, as I understand, than what is shown) the Windows stack has WAY too much space between the glyph and the controls. Trying to get them to be in the right place required almost placing the glyph field right on top of the controls. What's up with this? I knew there were some problems, but this is enough to require having to go back and redo each element just so it doesn't show up in a funky place - time consuming and contra the write once run anywhere purpose of having a multi-environment builder. Oddly enough it looks like the controls are in the right place, but this field is just out in space once it moves over to Windows. Any hints/help on this? I'm thinking of getting an Express license to clean up the UI on Windows but that just seems like - well - something that I shouldn't have to do unless there's something hardcore going on - and this is just a single text field (and for the record is not a unicode font, so there's none of that issue coming up - yet...) Thanks all! Yours, Chris ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New to the Revolution, excited but confused about cross-platform UIinsanity! Rev poets, come to my aid, please.
Hey, Ken, Thanks! I've been looking at your site, actually, and the many others that are out there. It is unbelievable how many resources people have made available, even more unbelievable that nobody I know has ever heard of RunRev. Per the discussion in another thread, it's hard for me to get it through to my java/flash guru friend that RunRev is a good idea, but it seems like the world that knows about it is filled with real zealots. (ha. a Sons of Thunder joke) Well, it could be a font issue. I will give it a go with Arial. This font is HebraicaII by Linguist Software, not something I could distribute with a stack anyway. It is English OSX.3.2 that I'm running, and XP on the Win side. I did not put a menu bar in, so in this case it is getting way cut off even without the bar-space. Have a look at the files in here called winwarped and macwarped http://www.luminus.com/runrev/ That's the original Mac spacing I had to do to get the windows to look as it does in winwarped (which is not warped at all, and what I expected my original stack to export like). I'll go give it a test with Arial though. I notice that there have not been any posts in the archives for some time about Right to Left keyboarding and fonts, but this is the major need for which I will be carrying the standard. I don't suppose you (or anyone reading this) knows offhand why when I switch to Hebrew-QWERTY the system automagically switches me to Lucida Grande, and I can't seem to change fonts in the right-left scripted mode... RunRev needs to give a call to Mellel! Especially with the education market in graduate/postgrad studies in Middle Eastern languages and literatures... (I'm currently assisting in editing my prof's dissertation for U. Ed, and one of the biggest issues has been dealing with Hebrew, Greek and English in one document. May I take this time to express a moment of disdain for MS Word). Mellel is one of the only apps I've seen so far that does it right - but even Mail.app works reasonably well. Getting wordy, will go try Arial then look for a better Hebrew font... any suggestions from the gallery? Yours, Chris On Feb 6, 2004, at 11:35 PM, Ken Ray wrote: Chris, Welcome aboard! Which font is this using, and is this in an English OS (it looks like it is, but I want to be sure). At the outset it looks like a font-related issue... if you change the font to something generic like Arial, do you still have the same issue? And it doesn't look like you have a menu bar in play, right? Ken Ray Sons of Thunder Software Email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] Web Site: http://www.sonsothunder.com/ -Original Message- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Christopher Mitchell Sent: Friday, February 06, 2004 11:27 PM To: 'How to use Revolution' Subject: New to the Revolution, excited but confused about cross-platform UIinsanity! Rev poets, come to my aid, please. Hey, folks, I've just registered a Studio license this week and have been tooling around with this fabulous software, but I'm having some concerns when it comes to how very simple Win32 windows are being represented in contrast to the Mac windows. Now, I'm aware of the 21 pixel issue if there is a menu in play (which I guess is always) but please take a look at these small shots: http://www.luminus.com/runrev/ The filenames are self-explanatory. I built the Windows standalone based on the Mac stack as you see it. I did some adjusting and was messing around with property profiles to try to get a Mac and a Windows setup where there was enough space and proper alignment, but there seems to be more to it than just that. Note where the glyph in the Windows shot is being cutoff. If I turn a grid plugin on in the editor on the mac, it shows that I have a little over 30 (THIRTY) pixels space between the top of the glyph and the top edge of the stack window. As you can see, it is about equidistant to the little control bundle at the bottom. No matter how you slice it, taking into account the menu area at the top (which is still narrower, as I understand, than what is shown) the Windows stack has WAY too much space between the glyph and the controls. Trying to get them to be in the right place required almost placing the glyph field right on top of the controls. What's up with this? I knew there were some problems, but this is enough to require having to go back and redo each element just so it doesn't show up in a funky place - time consuming and contra the write once run anywhere purpose of having a multi-environment builder. Oddly enough it looks like the controls are in the right place, but this field is just out in space once it moves over to Windows. Any hints/help on this? I'm thinking of getting an Express license to clean up the UI on Windows but that just seems like - well - something that I shouldn't have to do unless there's something hardcore going on - and this is just a single text field
Re: fixedLineHeight = a great help
Thanks, ladies and gentlemen, for your tips here. Dar, your list is scary... It's as if someone decided consciously to make sure that fonts didn't quite line up the same on the competing platforms. Excellent resource though, and shows why weird things happen when you start using cross-platform fonts of that size (72pt) fixedlineheight and adjustment of the lineHeight value has made a huge difference. Thanks for pointing this out, even the Hebrew font looks reasonably well placed now! exciting things ahead ... thanks to all of you! Yours, Chris On Feb 7, 2004, at 12:25 AM, J. Landman Gay wrote: On 2/7/04 12:06 AM, Christopher Mitchell wrote: Here are the results of a test with Arial. Notice, oddly, that changing the field font to Arial also had a corresponding change to the font used in the control group... Try setting the fixedlineheight property of the field to true and the setting a fairly high lineHeight value. (The lineHeight property corresponds to what printers call leading.) If the fixedlineheight is false, then characters do not always use the same leading across platforms. -- Jacqueline Landman Gay | [EMAIL PROTECTED] HyperActive Software | http://www.hyperactivesw.com ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
Re: New to Rev, smooth animation in Builder but Jumpy animation in app/browse (repost as new thread)
Is anybody around to read this beside our friendly autoresponder? chris On Jan 14, 2004, at 10:47 PM, Sannyasin Sivakatirswami wrote: Namaskara and Aloha, ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
New to Rev, smooth animation in Builder but Jumpy animation in app/browse (repost as new thread)
Howdy, please forgive this repost but it seems to have gotten skipped over today because I inadvertently sent it in under a completely non-related thread. Original message follows: Hello to all, I just made the very simple tweened animation of a text field in the tutorials. The thing is that although the animation looks reasonably smooth in the Animation builder, when I trigger it from within the Browse function or as an external app it looks terrible. It jumps across like it is 3fps instead of 11. I would think I was just doing something wrong except it looks right in the builder. Incidentally, is there a quick way to set the max frames in the anim builder? (it says x frames of Y, but only X appears to be directly available for setting) Thanks, Chris ___ use-revolution mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://lists.runrev.com/mailman/listinfo/use-revolution
