Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
Thanks Michael, I have added this comment for you (it's better to keep things together) http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies?focusedCommentId=9373263#comment-9373263 Jacques From: Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com To: user@ofbiz.apache.org Sent: Tuesday, November 24, 2009 2:27 PM Subject: Re: about using ofbiz as a platform hmm...I compared the article and the latest code from trunk. I don't think the diagram is consistent with codes. For example, from the diagram party doesn't depend on marketing; however, as I mentioned in previous email, party entity definition does use ContactListParty from marketing. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.comwrote: Just found an article about the dependency: http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+DependenciesFrom the component relationship diagram, it seems I have to include all components under framework and application in my new application. Is it correct? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com wrote: hi all, I try to build a new application using ofbiz. Basically, I want to use the nice overall architect of ofbiz, theme mechanism and Party/Permission/SecurityGroup. However, I found it is very difficult to remove unnecessary components. For example, entitymodel.xml from applications/party uses ContactListParty, which is from marketing component. I think such dependency doesn't make much sense, as marketing is only an optional component but party is a must. What's the best practice for my case? Advices and clues will be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Michael Xu
Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
? Advices and clues will be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Michael Xu -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p933001.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p948290.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk
Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
will be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Michael Xu -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p933001.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p948290.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk
Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
and application in my new application. Is it correct? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com wrote: hi all, I try to build a new application using ofbiz. Basically, I want to use the nice overall architect of ofbiz, theme mechanism and Party/Permission/SecurityGroup. However, I found it is very difficult to remove unnecessary components. For example, entitymodel.xml from applications/party uses ContactListParty, which is from marketing component. I think such dependency doesn't make much sense, as marketing is only an optional component but party is a must. What's the best practice for my case? Advices and clues will be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Michael Xu -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p933001.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p948290.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk
Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
...@wizitsoft.comwrote: Just found an article about the dependency: http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies From the component relationship diagram, it seems I have to include all components under framework and application in my new application. Is it correct? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com wrote: hi all, I try to build a new application using ofbiz. Basically, I want to use the nice overall architect of ofbiz, theme mechanism and Party/Permission/SecurityGroup. However, I found it is very difficult to remove unnecessary components. For example, entitymodel.xml from applications/party uses ContactListParty, which is from marketing component. I think such dependency doesn't make much sense, as marketing is only an optional component but party is a must. What's the best practice for my case? Advices and clues will be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Michael Xu -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p933001.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p948290.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk
Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
+Dependencies From the component relationship diagram, it seems I have to include all components under framework and application in my new application. Is it correct? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com wrote: hi all, I try to build a new application using ofbiz. Basically, I want to use the nice overall architect of ofbiz, theme mechanism and Party/Permission/SecurityGroup. However, I found it is very difficult to remove unnecessary components. For example, entitymodel.xml from applications/party uses ContactListParty, which is from marketing component. I think such dependency doesn't make much sense, as marketing is only an optional component but party is a must. What's the best practice for my case? Advices and clues will be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Michael Xu -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p933001.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p948290.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk
Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
Hi Jacopo, I was originally thinking about putting this stuff in the webtools until I thought that user account management may be done by a user that is not a system administrator (e.g. helpdesk level one support). Webtools seems to be more system administration type stuff. What are the pros and cons of using a separate component versus using webtools for this functionality? Many thanks, Chris Jacopo Cappellato wrote: You are right Christopher. We will have to migrate (and integrate) the user interface for SecurityGroups and User Login management from the Party to a framework component: this could be a new one, the webtools (I like the idea of having them in the webtools), a new webapp under security etc... I am sure that Adrian started this effort and put his code in Jira. Jacopo On Dec 10, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Christopher Snow wrote: Hi Michael, The problem with putting in the Party component is that it will throw up errors due to dependencies on other components. (Try it and see!) It is likely that a new component will be required (i.e. developed) for a standalone framework that has basic user account management functionality. What party management functionality would you want to see in the standalone framework? Cheers, Chris
Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
Hi Michael, Does the framework just need user account and permission management? or, does it need party/organisation management too? Perhaps even using an external framework like ldap would be better for managing the organisational structures, user accounts and permissions? Cheers, Chris Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi Chris, Thanks. For me, I need user, organization, role, permission functionalities from party management. But I think you are right that maybe we need a more elegant party management from framework perspective. Or maybe we even don't need party in the framework. (Just like JIRA did. JIRA implemented its own user/permission/role) -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Christopher Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk wrote: Hi Michael, The problem with putting in the Party component is that it will throw up errors due to dependencies on other components. (Try it and see!) It is likely that a new component will be required (i.e. developed) for a standalone framework that has basic user account management functionality. What party management functionality would you want to see in the standalone framework? Cheers, Chris
Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
hi Chris, I think account and permission management are enough for framework and party/organization probably should not be in the scope of framework. Using LDAP is definitely a good idea. But I think that should be only a option, because not all customers have LDAP. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Christopher Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk wrote: Hi Michael, Does the framework just need user account and permission management? or, does it need party/organisation management too? Perhaps even using an external framework like ldap would be better for managing the organisational structures, user accounts and permissions? Cheers, Chris Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi Chris, Thanks. For me, I need user, organization, role, permission functionalities from party management. But I think you are right that maybe we need a more elegant party management from framework perspective. Or maybe we even don't need party in the framework. (Just like JIRA did. JIRA implemented its own user/permission/role) -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Christopher Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk wrote: Hi Michael, The problem with putting in the Party component is that it will throw up errors due to dependencies on other components. (Try it and see!) It is likely that a new component will be required (i.e. developed) for a standalone framework that has basic user account management functionality. What party management functionality would you want to see in the standalone framework? Cheers, Chris
Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
hi Chris, Not sure what kind of help you need for next step. I would love to help if I can. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.comwrote: hi Chris, I think account and permission management are enough for framework and party/organization probably should not be in the scope of framework. Using LDAP is definitely a good idea. But I think that should be only a option, because not all customers have LDAP. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:53 PM, Christopher Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk wrote: Hi Michael, Does the framework just need user account and permission management? or, does it need party/organisation management too? Perhaps even using an external framework like ldap would be better for managing the organisational structures, user accounts and permissions? Cheers, Chris Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi Chris, Thanks. For me, I need user, organization, role, permission functionalities from party management. But I think you are right that maybe we need a more elegant party management from framework perspective. Or maybe we even don't need party in the framework. (Just like JIRA did. JIRA implemented its own user/permission/role) -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Christopher Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk wrote: Hi Michael, The problem with putting in the Party component is that it will throw up errors due to dependencies on other components. (Try it and see!) It is likely that a new component will be required (i.e. developed) for a standalone framework that has basic user account management functionality. What party management functionality would you want to see in the standalone framework? Cheers, Chris
Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
On Dec 10, 2009, at 9:53 AM, Christopher Snow wrote: Hi Michael, Does the framework just need user account and permission management? or, does it need party/organisation management too? The framework just needs user/security; parties, persons and organizations cannot be referenced by the framework level components. Jacopo Perhaps even using an external framework like ldap would be better for managing the organisational structures, user accounts and permissions? Cheers, Chris Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi Chris, Thanks. For me, I need user, organization, role, permission functionalities from party management. But I think you are right that maybe we need a more elegant party management from framework perspective. Or maybe we even don't need party in the framework. (Just like JIRA did. JIRA implemented its own user/permission/role) -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Christopher Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk wrote: Hi Michael, The problem with putting in the Party component is that it will throw up errors due to dependencies on other components. (Try it and see!) It is likely that a new component will be required (i.e. developed) for a standalone framework that has basic user account management functionality. What party management functionality would you want to see in the standalone framework? Cheers, Chris
Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
Hi Michael, We need to: - decide whether to create a new component for managing accounts and permissions or use webtools. - decide on what content should go into these screens. As mentioned by Jacopo, some of this may have already been done by Adrian: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-1868 Cheers, Chris Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi Chris, Not sure what kind of help you need for next step. I would love to help if I can. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 5:47 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.comwrote: hi Chris, I think account and permission management are enough for framework and party/organization probably should not be in the scope of framework. Using LDAP is definitely a good idea. But I think that should be only a option, because not all customers have LDAP. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong)
Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
Hi Christopher, On Dec 10, 2009, at 9:43 AM, Christopher Snow wrote: Hi Jacopo, I was originally thinking about putting this stuff in the webtools until I thought that user account management may be done by a user that is not a system administrator (e.g. helpdesk level one support). Webtools seems to be more system administration type stuff. The webtools could provide basic interface for user management for administrators; this doesn't preclude other components from implementing custom and process oriented screens for user management (like the helpdesk component you mention); in fact this is already happening in the ecommerce and party components (and should not change); however helpdesk etc.. will need much more than users and roles; they will probably need persons, parties etc... What are the pros and cons of using a separate component versus using webtools for this functionality? This is not a big deal, we can do both ways. But instead of a new component we should consider adding a new webapp to an existing one (it could be the security one). Jacopo Many thanks, Chris Jacopo Cappellato wrote: You are right Christopher. We will have to migrate (and integrate) the user interface for SecurityGroups and User Login management from the Party to a framework component: this could be a new one, the webtools (I like the idea of having them in the webtools), a new webapp under security etc... I am sure that Adrian started this effort and put his code in Jira. Jacopo On Dec 10, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Christopher Snow wrote: Hi Michael, The problem with putting in the Party component is that it will throw up errors due to dependencies on other components. (Try it and see!) It is likely that a new component will be required (i.e. developed) for a standalone framework that has basic user account management functionality. What party management functionality would you want to see in the standalone framework? Cheers, Chris
Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
Hi Michael, Chris As Scott said, I also wonder if Adrian did not begin something more open (Atlassian Crowd, etc.). I'd wait his answer because I found only this https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/OFBIZ-811 related to specialpurpose/ldap Jacques () ascii ribbon campaign against HTML e-mail /\ www.asciiribbon.org From: Christopher Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk Hi Michael, Does the framework just need user account and permission management? or, does it need party/organisation management too? Perhaps even using an external framework like ldap would be better for managing the organisational structures, user accounts and permissions? Cheers, Chris Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi Chris, Thanks. For me, I need user, organization, role, permission functionalities from party management. But I think you are right that maybe we need a more elegant party management from framework perspective. Or maybe we even don't need party in the framework. (Just like JIRA did. JIRA implemented its own user/permission/role) -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 4:21 PM, Christopher Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk wrote: Hi Michael, The problem with putting in the Party component is that it will throw up errors due to dependencies on other components. (Try it and see!) It is likely that a new component will be required (i.e. developed) for a standalone framework that has basic user account management functionality. What party management functionality would you want to see in the standalone framework? Cheers, Chris
Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
I agree with Jacopo. Basically each ofbiz component can define its own admin stuff (like user management in security). In terms of how to show those stuff, that should be left to framework users. Maybe some users prefer to aggregate all admin stuff from different components into webtools or MyPortals. Maybe some users prefer to put admin stuff in each component. Just an idea: If webtools is the central place for administration, can we implement it like MyPortal that webtools can automatically load admin stuff from different components? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Thu, Dec 10, 2009 at 6:03 PM, Jacopo Cappellato jacopo.cappell...@hotwaxmedia.com wrote: Hi Christopher, On Dec 10, 2009, at 9:43 AM, Christopher Snow wrote: Hi Jacopo, I was originally thinking about putting this stuff in the webtools until I thought that user account management may be done by a user that is not a system administrator (e.g. helpdesk level one support). Webtools seems to be more system administration type stuff. The webtools could provide basic interface for user management for administrators; this doesn't preclude other components from implementing custom and process oriented screens for user management (like the helpdesk component you mention); in fact this is already happening in the ecommerce and party components (and should not change); however helpdesk etc.. will need much more than users and roles; they will probably need persons, parties etc... What are the pros and cons of using a separate component versus using webtools for this functionality? This is not a big deal, we can do both ways. But instead of a new component we should consider adding a new webapp to an existing one (it could be the security one). Jacopo Many thanks, Chris Jacopo Cappellato wrote: You are right Christopher. We will have to migrate (and integrate) the user interface for SecurityGroups and User Login management from the Party to a framework component: this could be a new one, the webtools (I like the idea of having them in the webtools), a new webapp under security etc... I am sure that Adrian started this effort and put his code in Jira. Jacopo On Dec 10, 2009, at 9:21 AM, Christopher Snow wrote: Hi Michael, The problem with putting in the Party component is that it will throw up errors due to dependencies on other components. (Try it and see!) It is likely that a new component will be required (i.e. developed) for a standalone framework that has basic user account management functionality. What party management functionality would you want to see in the standalone framework? Cheers, Chris
Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
, it seems I have to include all components under framework and application in my new application. Is it correct? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com wrote: hi all, I try to build a new application using ofbiz. Basically, I want to use the nice overall architect of ofbiz, theme mechanism and Party/Permission/SecurityGroup. However, I found it is very difficult to remove unnecessary components. For example, entitymodel.xml from applications/party uses ContactListParty, which is from marketing component. I think such dependency doesn't make much sense, as marketing is only an optional component but party is a must. What's the best practice for my case? Advices and clues will be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Michael Xu -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p933001.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p948290.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk
Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
Hi Adrian, Would there be any reason the work couldn't be done on trunk? I was just thinking of the next release (whenever that is) being one step closer to framework separation? Many thanks, Chris Adrian Crum wrote: The work I did is so old and out of date that it is probably unusable by now. It might be best to start over. -Adrian Jacopo Cappellato wrote: You are right Christopher. We will have to migrate (and integrate) the user interface for SecurityGroups and User Login management from the Party to a framework component: this could be a new one, the webtools (I like the idea of having them in the webtools), a new webapp under security etc... I am sure that Adrian started this effort and put his code in Jira. Jacopo
Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
The work would have to be done on the trunk. Releases only get bug fixes. -Adrian Christopher Snow wrote: Hi Adrian, Would there be any reason the work couldn't be done on trunk? I was just thinking of the next release (whenever that is) being one step closer to framework separation? Many thanks, Chris Adrian Crum wrote: The work I did is so old and out of date that it is probably unusable by now. It might be best to start over. -Adrian Jacopo Cappellato wrote: You are right Christopher. We will have to migrate (and integrate) the user interface for SecurityGroups and User Login management from the Party to a framework component: this could be a new one, the webtools (I like the idea of having them in the webtools), a new webapp under security etc... I am sure that Adrian started this effort and put his code in Jira. Jacopo
Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
I've just tried commenting out all components except commonext on trunk. I ran the ant tasks create-admin-user-login, then run and then tried to access the url https://localhost:8443/webtools/ I received the following error message: org.ofbiz.widget.screen.ScreenRenderException: Error rendering screen [component://common/widget/CommonScreens.xml#GlobalDecorator]: org.ofbiz.base.util.GeneralException: Error running Groovy script at location [component://commonext/script/changeOrgPartyId.groovy] (Could not find definition for entity name PartyAcctgPrefAndGroup) (Error running Groovy script at location [component://commonext/script/changeOrgPartyId.groovy] (Could not find definition for entity name PartyAcctgPrefAndGroup)) It seems that commonext has a dependency on the party component. Adrian Crum wrote: The work would have to be done on the trunk. Releases only get bug fixes. -Adrian Christopher Snow wrote: Hi Adrian, Would there be any reason the work couldn't be done on trunk? I was just thinking of the next release (whenever that is) being one step closer to framework separation? Many thanks, Chris Adrian Crum wrote: The work I did is so old and out of date that it is probably unusable by now. It might be best to start over. -Adrian Jacopo Cappellato wrote: You are right Christopher. We will have to migrate (and integrate) the user interface for SecurityGroups and User Login management from the Party to a framework component: this could be a new one, the webtools (I like the idea of having them in the webtools), a new webapp under security etc... I am sure that Adrian started this effort and put his code in Jira. Jacopo -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk
Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
That looks like a good candidate for a Jira issue. -Adrian Christopher Snow wrote: I've just tried commenting out all components except commonext on trunk. I ran the ant tasks create-admin-user-login, then run and then tried to access the url https://localhost:8443/webtools/ I received the following error message: org.ofbiz.widget.screen.ScreenRenderException: Error rendering screen [component://common/widget/CommonScreens.xml#GlobalDecorator]: org.ofbiz.base.util.GeneralException: Error running Groovy script at location [component://commonext/script/changeOrgPartyId.groovy] (Could not find definition for entity name PartyAcctgPrefAndGroup) (Error running Groovy script at location [component://commonext/script/changeOrgPartyId.groovy] (Could not find definition for entity name PartyAcctgPrefAndGroup)) It seems that commonext has a dependency on the party component. Adrian Crum wrote: The work would have to be done on the trunk. Releases only get bug fixes. -Adrian Christopher Snow wrote: Hi Adrian, Would there be any reason the work couldn't be done on trunk? I was just thinking of the next release (whenever that is) being one step closer to framework separation? Many thanks, Chris Adrian Crum wrote: The work I did is so old and out of date that it is probably unusable by now. It might be best to start over. -Adrian Jacopo Cappellato wrote: You are right Christopher. We will have to migrate (and integrate) the user interface for SecurityGroups and User Login management from the Party to a framework component: this could be a new one, the webtools (I like the idea of having them in the webtools), a new webapp under security etc... I am sure that Adrian started this effort and put his code in Jira. Jacopo
Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
Adrian, thanks for the feedback - jira created OFBIZ-3329. Adrian Crum wrote: That looks like a good candidate for a Jira issue. -Adrian Christopher Snow wrote: I've just tried commenting out all components except commonext on trunk. I ran the ant tasks create-admin-user-login, then run and then tried to access the url https://localhost:8443/webtools/ I received the following error message: org.ofbiz.widget.screen.ScreenRenderException: Error rendering screen [component://common/widget/CommonScreens.xml#GlobalDecorator]: org.ofbiz.base.util.GeneralException: Error running Groovy script at location [component://commonext/script/changeOrgPartyId.groovy] (Could not find definition for entity name PartyAcctgPrefAndGroup) (Error running Groovy script at location [component://commonext/script/changeOrgPartyId.groovy] (Could not find definition for entity name PartyAcctgPrefAndGroup)) It seems that commonext has a dependency on the party component. Adrian Crum wrote: The work would have to be done on the trunk. Releases only get bug fixes. -Adrian Christopher Snow wrote: Hi Adrian, Would there be any reason the work couldn't be done on trunk? I was just thinking of the next release (whenever that is) being one step closer to framework separation? Many thanks, Chris Adrian Crum wrote: The work I did is so old and out of date that it is probably unusable by now. It might be best to start over. -Adrian Jacopo Cappellato wrote: You are right Christopher. We will have to migrate (and integrate) the user interface for SecurityGroups and User Login management from the Party to a framework component: this could be a new one, the webtools (I like the idea of having them in the webtools), a new webapp under security etc... I am sure that Adrian started this effort and put his code in Jira. Jacopo -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk
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I've also started putting a page together on the steps for manually separating the core framework: http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Ofbiz+as+a+development+framework The pages are just my documentation of the steps needed. I still think its a good idea to have a page for collecting the requirements. Christopher Snow wrote: Sounds good to me! Bruno Busco wrote: Should we try to write a framework-only feature proposal page like the one Scott has writted for Saved Searches http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Saved+Searches collecting all requirements from the mails? Having the path written could help volunteers to contribute in the right direction. -Bruno 2009/12/4 Christopher Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk: That makes a lot of sense - thanks again Scott! Scott Gray wrote: That risk is run by anybody who gets the ball rolling on any new proposal, be it a contributor, committer or PMC member. Nobody is capable of pushing through substantial change without the approval of the community at large. The key for any amount of work is to collaborate with the community as much as possible, if something is large then just break it down and discuss each change piece by piece. An approach such as this substantially reduces the risk that any work done will be wasted and generally improves the overall design. Regards Scott On 4/12/2009, at 7:27 PM, chris snow wrote: Hi Adrian, For a change that may be substantial, could this approach be quite risky that a lot of time could be spent developing something that may not be accepted? Many thanks, Chris Adrian Crum wrote: That is not how the open source community works. If anyone wants to see this move along, they need to make the desired changes to their local copy, create a patch, and submit it to Jira. As far as coordination is concerned, there is an umbrella Jira issue for this already. Just make new Jira issues sub-tasks of it. -Adrian Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi, Like Bruno mentioned, this topic has been discussed over many times. And it is time to take some actions. I really think one or more leaders should lead the process. Otherwise, the discussion might be around for a long long time. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:41 PM, chris snow chsnow...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Bruno, I would like to help. Are you coordinating efforts? Many thanks, Chris Bruno Busco wrote: Hi Michael, the framework isolation and a framework-only installation is definitely something the community as talken about many times. You will find several conversations searching the mailing list. We will have it sooner or later and any help you could provide on this topic will be much appreciated. -Bruno 2009/11/24 Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com: hmm...I compared the article and the latest code from trunk. I don't think the diagram is consistent with codes. For example, from the diagram party doesn't depend on marketing; however, as I mentioned in previous email, party entity definition does use ContactListParty from marketing. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.comwrote: Just found an article about the dependency: http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies From the component relationship diagram, it seems I have to include all components under framework and application in my new application. Is it correct? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com wrote: hi all, I try to build a new application using ofbiz. Basically, I want to use the nice overall architect of ofbiz, theme mechanism and Party/Permission/SecurityGroup. However, I found it is very difficult to remove unnecessary components. For example, entitymodel.xml from applications/party uses ContactListParty, which is from marketing component. I think such dependency doesn't make much sense, as marketing is only an optional component but party is a must. What's the best practice for my case? Advices and clues will be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Michael Xu -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p933001.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive
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Should we try to write a framework-only feature proposal page like the one Scott has writted for Saved Searches http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Saved+Searches collecting all requirements from the mails? Having the path written could help volunteers to contribute in the right direction. -Bruno 2009/12/4 Christopher Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk: That makes a lot of sense - thanks again Scott! Scott Gray wrote: That risk is run by anybody who gets the ball rolling on any new proposal, be it a contributor, committer or PMC member. Nobody is capable of pushing through substantial change without the approval of the community at large. The key for any amount of work is to collaborate with the community as much as possible, if something is large then just break it down and discuss each change piece by piece. An approach such as this substantially reduces the risk that any work done will be wasted and generally improves the overall design. Regards Scott On 4/12/2009, at 7:27 PM, chris snow wrote: Hi Adrian, For a change that may be substantial, could this approach be quite risky that a lot of time could be spent developing something that may not be accepted? Many thanks, Chris Adrian Crum wrote: That is not how the open source community works. If anyone wants to see this move along, they need to make the desired changes to their local copy, create a patch, and submit it to Jira. As far as coordination is concerned, there is an umbrella Jira issue for this already. Just make new Jira issues sub-tasks of it. -Adrian Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi, Like Bruno mentioned, this topic has been discussed over many times. And it is time to take some actions. I really think one or more leaders should lead the process. Otherwise, the discussion might be around for a long long time. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:41 PM, chris snow chsnow...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Bruno, I would like to help. Are you coordinating efforts? Many thanks, Chris Bruno Busco wrote: Hi Michael, the framework isolation and a framework-only installation is definitely something the community as talken about many times. You will find several conversations searching the mailing list. We will have it sooner or later and any help you could provide on this topic will be much appreciated. -Bruno 2009/11/24 Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com: hmm...I compared the article and the latest code from trunk. I don't think the diagram is consistent with codes. For example, from the diagram party doesn't depend on marketing; however, as I mentioned in previous email, party entity definition does use ContactListParty from marketing. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.comwrote: Just found an article about the dependency: http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies From the component relationship diagram, it seems I have to include all components under framework and application in my new application. Is it correct? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com wrote: hi all, I try to build a new application using ofbiz. Basically, I want to use the nice overall architect of ofbiz, theme mechanism and Party/Permission/SecurityGroup. However, I found it is very difficult to remove unnecessary components. For example, entitymodel.xml from applications/party uses ContactListParty, which is from marketing component. I think such dependency doesn't make much sense, as marketing is only an optional component but party is a must. What's the best practice for my case? Advices and clues will be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Michael Xu -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p933001.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p948290.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk
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Sounds good to me! Bruno Busco wrote: Should we try to write a framework-only feature proposal page like the one Scott has writted for Saved Searches http://cwiki.apache.org/confluence/display/OFBIZ/Saved+Searches collecting all requirements from the mails? Having the path written could help volunteers to contribute in the right direction. -Bruno 2009/12/4 Christopher Snow sno...@snowconsulting.co.uk: That makes a lot of sense - thanks again Scott! Scott Gray wrote: That risk is run by anybody who gets the ball rolling on any new proposal, be it a contributor, committer or PMC member. Nobody is capable of pushing through substantial change without the approval of the community at large. The key for any amount of work is to collaborate with the community as much as possible, if something is large then just break it down and discuss each change piece by piece. An approach such as this substantially reduces the risk that any work done will be wasted and generally improves the overall design. Regards Scott On 4/12/2009, at 7:27 PM, chris snow wrote: Hi Adrian, For a change that may be substantial, could this approach be quite risky that a lot of time could be spent developing something that may not be accepted? Many thanks, Chris Adrian Crum wrote: That is not how the open source community works. If anyone wants to see this move along, they need to make the desired changes to their local copy, create a patch, and submit it to Jira. As far as coordination is concerned, there is an umbrella Jira issue for this already. Just make new Jira issues sub-tasks of it. -Adrian Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi, Like Bruno mentioned, this topic has been discussed over many times. And it is time to take some actions. I really think one or more leaders should lead the process. Otherwise, the discussion might be around for a long long time. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:41 PM, chris snow chsnow...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Bruno, I would like to help. Are you coordinating efforts? Many thanks, Chris Bruno Busco wrote: Hi Michael, the framework isolation and a framework-only installation is definitely something the community as talken about many times. You will find several conversations searching the mailing list. We will have it sooner or later and any help you could provide on this topic will be much appreciated. -Bruno 2009/11/24 Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com: hmm...I compared the article and the latest code from trunk. I don't think the diagram is consistent with codes. For example, from the diagram party doesn't depend on marketing; however, as I mentioned in previous email, party entity definition does use ContactListParty from marketing. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.comwrote: Just found an article about the dependency: http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies From the component relationship diagram, it seems I have to include all components under framework and application in my new application. Is it correct? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com wrote: hi all, I try to build a new application using ofbiz. Basically, I want to use the nice overall architect of ofbiz, theme mechanism and Party/Permission/SecurityGroup. However, I found it is very difficult to remove unnecessary components. For example, entitymodel.xml from applications/party uses ContactListParty, which is from marketing component. I think such dependency doesn't make much sense, as marketing is only an optional component but party is a must. What's the best practice for my case? Advices and clues will be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Michael Xu -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p933001.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p948290.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk
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That is not how the open source community works. If anyone wants to see this move along, they need to make the desired changes to their local copy, create a patch, and submit it to Jira. As far as coordination is concerned, there is an umbrella Jira issue for this already. Just make new Jira issues sub-tasks of it. -Adrian Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi, Like Bruno mentioned, this topic has been discussed over many times. And it is time to take some actions. I really think one or more leaders should lead the process. Otherwise, the discussion might be around for a long long time. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:41 PM, chris snow chsnow...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Bruno, I would like to help. Are you coordinating efforts? Many thanks, Chris Bruno Busco wrote: Hi Michael, the framework isolation and a framework-only installation is definitely something the community as talken about many times. You will find several conversations searching the mailing list. We will have it sooner or later and any help you could provide on this topic will be much appreciated. -Bruno 2009/11/24 Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com: hmm...I compared the article and the latest code from trunk. I don't think the diagram is consistent with codes. For example, from the diagram party doesn't depend on marketing; however, as I mentioned in previous email, party entity definition does use ContactListParty from marketing. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.comwrote: Just found an article about the dependency: http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies From the component relationship diagram, it seems I have to include all components under framework and application in my new application. Is it correct? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com wrote: hi all, I try to build a new application using ofbiz. Basically, I want to use the nice overall architect of ofbiz, theme mechanism and Party/Permission/SecurityGroup. However, I found it is very difficult to remove unnecessary components. For example, entitymodel.xml from applications/party uses ContactListParty, which is from marketing component. I think such dependency doesn't make much sense, as marketing is only an optional component but party is a must. What's the best practice for my case? Advices and clues will be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Michael Xu -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p933001.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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hi Adrian, Yes, I agree with you for most issues. However, in my opinion this one seems special, which might cause many fundamental changes. I guess a top-down approach is more practical. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Fri, Dec 4, 2009 at 12:20 AM, Adrian Crum adri...@hlmksw.com wrote: That is not how the open source community works. If anyone wants to see this move along, they need to make the desired changes to their local copy, create a patch, and submit it to Jira. As far as coordination is concerned, there is an umbrella Jira issue for this already. Just make new Jira issues sub-tasks of it. -Adrian Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi, Like Bruno mentioned, this topic has been discussed over many times. And it is time to take some actions. I really think one or more leaders should lead the process. Otherwise, the discussion might be around for a long long time. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:41 PM, chris snow chsnow...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Bruno, I would like to help. Are you coordinating efforts? Many thanks, Chris Bruno Busco wrote: Hi Michael, the framework isolation and a framework-only installation is definitely something the community as talken about many times. You will find several conversations searching the mailing list. We will have it sooner or later and any help you could provide on this topic will be much appreciated. -Bruno 2009/11/24 Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com: hmm...I compared the article and the latest code from trunk. I don't think the diagram is consistent with codes. For example, from the diagram party doesn't depend on marketing; however, as I mentioned in previous email, party entity definition does use ContactListParty from marketing. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.comwrote: Just found an article about the dependency: http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies From the component relationship diagram, it seems I have to include all components under framework and application in my new application. Is it correct? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com wrote: hi all, I try to build a new application using ofbiz. Basically, I want to use the nice overall architect of ofbiz, theme mechanism and Party/Permission/SecurityGroup. However, I found it is very difficult to remove unnecessary components. For example, entitymodel.xml from applications/party uses ContactListParty, which is from marketing component. I think such dependency doesn't make much sense, as marketing is only an optional component but party is a must. What's the best practice for my case? Advices and clues will be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Michael Xu -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p933001.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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Hi Adrian, For a change that may be substantial, could this approach be quite risky that a lot of time could be spent developing something that may not be accepted? Many thanks, Chris Adrian Crum wrote: That is not how the open source community works. If anyone wants to see this move along, they need to make the desired changes to their local copy, create a patch, and submit it to Jira. As far as coordination is concerned, there is an umbrella Jira issue for this already. Just make new Jira issues sub-tasks of it. -Adrian Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi, Like Bruno mentioned, this topic has been discussed over many times. And it is time to take some actions. I really think one or more leaders should lead the process. Otherwise, the discussion might be around for a long long time. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:41 PM, chris snow chsnow...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Bruno, I would like to help. Are you coordinating efforts? Many thanks, Chris Bruno Busco wrote: Hi Michael, the framework isolation and a framework-only installation is definitely something the community as talken about many times. You will find several conversations searching the mailing list. We will have it sooner or later and any help you could provide on this topic will be much appreciated. -Bruno 2009/11/24 Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com: hmm...I compared the article and the latest code from trunk. I don't think the diagram is consistent with codes. For example, from the diagram party doesn't depend on marketing; however, as I mentioned in previous email, party entity definition does use ContactListParty from marketing. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.comwrote: Just found an article about the dependency: http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies From the component relationship diagram, it seems I have to include all components under framework and application in my new application. Is it correct? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com wrote: hi all, I try to build a new application using ofbiz. Basically, I want to use the nice overall architect of ofbiz, theme mechanism and Party/Permission/SecurityGroup. However, I found it is very difficult to remove unnecessary components. For example, entitymodel.xml from applications/party uses ContactListParty, which is from marketing component. I think such dependency doesn't make much sense, as marketing is only an optional component but party is a must. What's the best practice for my case? Advices and clues will be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Michael Xu -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p933001.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p948290.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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That risk is run by anybody who gets the ball rolling on any new proposal, be it a contributor, committer or PMC member. Nobody is capable of pushing through substantial change without the approval of the community at large. The key for any amount of work is to collaborate with the community as much as possible, if something is large then just break it down and discuss each change piece by piece. An approach such as this substantially reduces the risk that any work done will be wasted and generally improves the overall design. Regards Scott On 4/12/2009, at 7:27 PM, chris snow wrote: Hi Adrian, For a change that may be substantial, could this approach be quite risky that a lot of time could be spent developing something that may not be accepted? Many thanks, Chris Adrian Crum wrote: That is not how the open source community works. If anyone wants to see this move along, they need to make the desired changes to their local copy, create a patch, and submit it to Jira. As far as coordination is concerned, there is an umbrella Jira issue for this already. Just make new Jira issues sub-tasks of it. -Adrian Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi, Like Bruno mentioned, this topic has been discussed over many times. And it is time to take some actions. I really think one or more leaders should lead the process. Otherwise, the discussion might be around for a long long time. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:41 PM, chris snow chsnow...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Bruno, I would like to help. Are you coordinating efforts? Many thanks, Chris Bruno Busco wrote: Hi Michael, the framework isolation and a framework-only installation is definitely something the community as talken about many times. You will find several conversations searching the mailing list. We will have it sooner or later and any help you could provide on this topic will be much appreciated. -Bruno 2009/11/24 Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com: hmm...I compared the article and the latest code from trunk. I don't think the diagram is consistent with codes. For example, from the diagram party doesn't depend on marketing; however, as I mentioned in previous email, party entity definition does use ContactListParty from marketing. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.comwrote: Just found an article about the dependency: http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies From the component relationship diagram, it seems I have to include all components under framework and application in my new application. Is it correct? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com wrote: hi all, I try to build a new application using ofbiz. Basically, I want to use the nice overall architect of ofbiz, theme mechanism and Party/Permission/SecurityGroup. However, I found it is very difficult to remove unnecessary components. For example, entitymodel.xml from applications/party uses ContactListParty, which is from marketing component. I think such dependency doesn't make much sense, as marketing is only an optional component but party is a must. What's the best practice for my case? Advices and clues will be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Michael Xu -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p933001.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p948290.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. smime.p7s Description: S/MIME cryptographic signature
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That makes a lot of sense - thanks again Scott! Scott Gray wrote: That risk is run by anybody who gets the ball rolling on any new proposal, be it a contributor, committer or PMC member. Nobody is capable of pushing through substantial change without the approval of the community at large. The key for any amount of work is to collaborate with the community as much as possible, if something is large then just break it down and discuss each change piece by piece. An approach such as this substantially reduces the risk that any work done will be wasted and generally improves the overall design. Regards Scott On 4/12/2009, at 7:27 PM, chris snow wrote: Hi Adrian, For a change that may be substantial, could this approach be quite risky that a lot of time could be spent developing something that may not be accepted? Many thanks, Chris Adrian Crum wrote: That is not how the open source community works. If anyone wants to see this move along, they need to make the desired changes to their local copy, create a patch, and submit it to Jira. As far as coordination is concerned, there is an umbrella Jira issue for this already. Just make new Jira issues sub-tasks of it. -Adrian Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi, Like Bruno mentioned, this topic has been discussed over many times. And it is time to take some actions. I really think one or more leaders should lead the process. Otherwise, the discussion might be around for a long long time. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com On Wed, Dec 2, 2009 at 7:41 PM, chris snow chsnow...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Bruno, I would like to help. Are you coordinating efforts? Many thanks, Chris Bruno Busco wrote: Hi Michael, the framework isolation and a framework-only installation is definitely something the community as talken about many times. You will find several conversations searching the mailing list. We will have it sooner or later and any help you could provide on this topic will be much appreciated. -Bruno 2009/11/24 Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com: hmm...I compared the article and the latest code from trunk. I don't think the diagram is consistent with codes. For example, from the diagram party doesn't depend on marketing; however, as I mentioned in previous email, party entity definition does use ContactListParty from marketing. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.comwrote: Just found an article about the dependency: http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies From the component relationship diagram, it seems I have to include all components under framework and application in my new application. Is it correct? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com wrote: hi all, I try to build a new application using ofbiz. Basically, I want to use the nice overall architect of ofbiz, theme mechanism and Party/Permission/SecurityGroup. However, I found it is very difficult to remove unnecessary components. For example, entitymodel.xml from applications/party uses ContactListParty, which is from marketing component. I think such dependency doesn't make much sense, as marketing is only an optional component but party is a must. What's the best practice for my case? Advices and clues will be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Michael Xu -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p933001.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p948290.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk
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Hi Bruno, I would like to help. Are you coordinating efforts? Many thanks, Chris Bruno Busco wrote: Hi Michael, the framework isolation and a framework-only installation is definitely something the community as talken about many times. You will find several conversations searching the mailing list. We will have it sooner or later and any help you could provide on this topic will be much appreciated. -Bruno 2009/11/24 Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com: hmm...I compared the article and the latest code from trunk. I don't think the diagram is consistent with codes. For example, from the diagram party doesn't depend on marketing; however, as I mentioned in previous email, party entity definition does use ContactListParty from marketing. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.comwrote: Just found an article about the dependency: http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+DependenciesFrom the component relationship diagram, it seems I have to include all components under framework and application in my new application. Is it correct? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com wrote: hi all, I try to build a new application using ofbiz. Basically, I want to use the nice overall architect of ofbiz, theme mechanism and Party/Permission/SecurityGroup. However, I found it is very difficult to remove unnecessary components. For example, entitymodel.xml from applications/party uses ContactListParty, which is from marketing component. I think such dependency doesn't make much sense, as marketing is only an optional component but party is a must. What's the best practice for my case? Advices and clues will be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Michael Xu -- View this message in context: http://n4.nabble.com/about-using-ofbiz-as-a-platform-tp786778p933001.html Sent from the OFBiz - User mailing list archive at Nabble.com.
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hi Bruno, Thanks for your reply. I wish I could make it by myself. However, it turns out too challenging for me. I think it is more piratical if one or more committer could lead the overall process. At this moment, what I can suggest is that the current big ofbiz might need to be split into sub projects, like framework, ERP, CRM, eCommerce, etc. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Wed, Nov 25, 2009 at 4:30 AM, Bruno Busco bruno.bu...@gmail.com wrote: Hi Michael, the framework isolation and a framework-only installation is definitely something the community as talken about many times. You will find several conversations searching the mailing list. We will have it sooner or later and any help you could provide on this topic will be much appreciated. -Bruno 2009/11/24 Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com: hmm...I compared the article and the latest code from trunk. I don't think the diagram is consistent with codes. For example, from the diagram party doesn't depend on marketing; however, as I mentioned in previous email, party entity definition does use ContactListParty from marketing. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.comwrote: Just found an article about the dependency: http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies From the component relationship diagram, it seems I have to include all components under framework and application in my new application. Is it correct? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com wrote: hi all, I try to build a new application using ofbiz. Basically, I want to use the nice overall architect of ofbiz, theme mechanism and Party/Permission/SecurityGroup. However, I found it is very difficult to remove unnecessary components. For example, entitymodel.xml from applications/party uses ContactListParty, which is from marketing component. I think such dependency doesn't make much sense, as marketing is only an optional component but party is a must. What's the best practice for my case? Advices and clues will be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Michael Xu
about using ofbiz as a platform
hi all, I try to build a new application using ofbiz. Basically, I want to use the nice overall architect of ofbiz, theme mechanism and Party/Permission/SecurityGroup. However, I found it is very difficult to remove unnecessary components. For example, entitymodel.xml from applications/party uses ContactListParty, which is from marketing component. I think such dependency doesn't make much sense, as marketing is only an optional component but party is a must. What's the best practice for my case? Advices and clues will be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Michael Xu
Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
Just found an article about the dependency: http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+DependenciesFrom the component relationship diagram, it seems I have to include all components under framework and application in my new application. Is it correct? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.comwrote: hi all, I try to build a new application using ofbiz. Basically, I want to use the nice overall architect of ofbiz, theme mechanism and Party/Permission/SecurityGroup. However, I found it is very difficult to remove unnecessary components. For example, entitymodel.xml from applications/party uses ContactListParty, which is from marketing component. I think such dependency doesn't make much sense, as marketing is only an optional component but party is a must. What's the best practice for my case? Advices and clues will be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Michael Xu
Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
hmm...I compared the article and the latest code from trunk. I don't think the diagram is consistent with codes. For example, from the diagram party doesn't depend on marketing; however, as I mentioned in previous email, party entity definition does use ContactListParty from marketing. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.comwrote: Just found an article about the dependency: http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+DependenciesFrom the component relationship diagram, it seems I have to include all components under framework and application in my new application. Is it correct? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com wrote: hi all, I try to build a new application using ofbiz. Basically, I want to use the nice overall architect of ofbiz, theme mechanism and Party/Permission/SecurityGroup. However, I found it is very difficult to remove unnecessary components. For example, entitymodel.xml from applications/party uses ContactListParty, which is from marketing component. I think such dependency doesn't make much sense, as marketing is only an optional component but party is a must. What's the best practice for my case? Advices and clues will be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Michael Xu
Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
This question feels like it should be a FAQ... Michael Xu (xudong) wrote: hi all, I try to build a new application using ofbiz. Basically, I want to use the nice overall architect of ofbiz, theme mechanism and Party/Permission/SecurityGroup. However, I found it is very difficult to remove unnecessary components. For example, entitymodel.xml from applications/party uses ContactListParty, which is from marketing component. I think such dependency doesn't make much sense, as marketing is only an optional component but party is a must. What's the best practice for my case? Advices and clues will be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Michael Xu -- Chris Snow - CEng MBCS CITP MBA (Tech Mgmt) (Open) CISSP Tel: 01453 890660 Mob: 07944 880950 Www: www.snowconsulting.co.uk
Re: about using ofbiz as a platform
Hi Michael, the framework isolation and a framework-only installation is definitely something the community as talken about many times. You will find several conversations searching the mailing list. We will have it sooner or later and any help you could provide on this topic will be much appreciated. -Bruno 2009/11/24 Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com: hmm...I compared the article and the latest code from trunk. I don't think the diagram is consistent with codes. For example, from the diagram party doesn't depend on marketing; however, as I mentioned in previous email, party entity definition does use ContactListParty from marketing. -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:16 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.comwrote: Just found an article about the dependency: http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+Dependencies http://docs.ofbiz.org/display/OFBADMIN/Component+and+Component+Set+DependenciesFrom the component relationship diagram, it seems I have to include all components under framework and application in my new application. Is it correct? -- Regards, Michael Xu (xudong) www.wizitsoft.com | Office: (8610) 6267 0615 ext 806 | Mobile: (86) 135 0135 9807 | Fax: (8610) 62670096 On Tue, Nov 24, 2009 at 9:07 PM, Michael Xu (xudong) dong...@wizitsoft.com wrote: hi all, I try to build a new application using ofbiz. Basically, I want to use the nice overall architect of ofbiz, theme mechanism and Party/Permission/SecurityGroup. However, I found it is very difficult to remove unnecessary components. For example, entitymodel.xml from applications/party uses ContactListParty, which is from marketing component. I think such dependency doesn't make much sense, as marketing is only an optional component but party is a must. What's the best practice for my case? Advices and clues will be very appreciated. Thanks in advance. -- Regards, Michael Xu
