Re: Continuing after authentication

[netsql]

Most people use JAAS/JDBC reals built into app servers like Resin, 
Tomcat, etc.

It's done for you... and bug free.
http://tomcat.apache.org/tomcat-5.5-doc/realm-howto.html
.V

James Woodward wrote:

Hello everyone,

I'm trying to figure out if there is an elegant solution to what I want 
to do.


The application I am working on allows users to sign up for an account 
and then enroll themselves into any courses currently being offered.


This is the scenario.

User Bob visits the site and views a calendar of courses. Bob decides to 
view the description of a course that is being offered July 29th. Bob is 
interested in the course and clicks on the Register button. Bob has not 
authenticated at this point and is given a page that requires him to 
enter his ID and Password. Bob enters the ID and Password and then . . .


--What I want to happen is this--
Once Bob authenticates I want him to be able to continue on with what he 
was doing. I want him to be taken to the next step of the registration 
process which will include a message saying something like "You are 
about to register in the course "Programming with Struts" on July 29th" 
Are you sure you want to continue.


--What really happens is this--
Once Bob enters his ID and password he is forwarded to some default page 
like Index.do


My current implementation has a secureAction that is extended by any 
action that a user must be authenticated to access. This secureAction 
checks to see if there is a session variable that is created when you 
authenticate. If this variable doesn't exist it takes you to the logon 
page. If it does exist you continue doing what you had intended to do.


It's probably obvious but keep in mind that this requires that we keep 
track of the courseid as well as the intended url. I have numerous pages 
that extend the secureAction and would like the idea of being able to 
continue where you were before authenticating to work for all of them.


If you have seen or done anything similar I'd appreciate any idea's you 
have on the subject.


James



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Googl's ajax comments?

[netsql]

http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/j-ajax4/index.html?ca=dgr-lnxw07GWT4Ajax

What do people think relative to Struts 2's built in Ajax?

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Re: Poll: What part of a Struts will be the most important to support for migration?

[netsql]

How little do I have to change my JSP!

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6. HTML tag libraries
7. Other (please explain)




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today in Silicon Valley

[netsql]

http://www.baychi.org/bof/java/20060515

This is today. I'll be there, you can say hi.

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Re: friday ha ha

[netsql]

This is like wizard of Oz. "Go Away". "But we cam to get a hart, a 
brain, courage " "No one here now"



Why would anyone care if struts is not being "marketed" or need others 
to approve of you decision to use something else?
If you find Spring better, good for you. If you find JSF better, good 
for you. C#? etc. And no skin of anyones back to post everywhere "Struts 
is dead". It's very funny.


You have permission.

.V
ps: if I have to explain why it's funny, it would not be funny. I find 
it funny because I tried a few others. And people posting that theirs is 
"less intrusive", "easier to extend". ha, ha, ha





Would a rational person be waiting for these innovations you describe to 
emerge from your community, or would they go elsewhere -- Spring among 
other things, for example?



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Re: friday ha ha

[netsql]

Well, except that the "new thing" is not new. It's just Webwork, which 
is a competing framework, that has been around for years.


"Struts Action 2" is just a relabeling of Webwork. Some package names 
and so on change, but it's just webwork.




Clearly you have no idea what you are talking about.
(Struts now has a marketing capability? ha ha)


Focusing on technology on a project will fail; 




I think the above statement -- at least if I understand it -- is based 
on a fallacy. 



Ditto.

Good luck.

.V

ps: personally I might try Shale w/o JSF on this gig or SAF2 as 2nd 
choice if I had to write a browser front end. How often did Ted say on 
this list that it depends on the environment/situation.



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Re: friday ha ha

[netsql]

Call me silly, but I use my brain to figure out what to use.

I think Struts-devs said they are writing something new, once the new 
thing is established... then someone can say that in relation to the new 
release, 1.3.1 is an older release, and that's all.


It's good to separate MVC, mostly people chose the easier way. No one 
got fired for choosing Struts.  Hey... look at PHP apps, they don't use 
anything modern or MVC. It just works. JEE v5 app servers are not even 
ready for something new. What's wrong for having an app in production 
for 10 years. (and when new happens, it will be client side UI - an that 
will be disruptive).


Focusing on technology on a project will fail; focusing on business 
requirements is better. That is the only choice to make.


.V




Well, if the Struts developers themselves are saying that Struts 1.x is 
technically obsolete and is not going to be the focus of further 
development effort, AFAICS, it is silly not to just take this at face 
value.





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ot: tibet ajax download

[netsql]

the reviews on o/s tibet are great.
I can't figure out how to download it?

Can someone help a noob download?

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friday ha ha

[netsql]

http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=39840

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Re: MVC Dilemma

[netsql]

So... how do you do it again?
/server irc.darkmyst.org ?
or ... (I tried in X-Chat)

tia,
.V

Larry Meadors wrote:


Join us on irc.darkmyst.org @ #funkycodemonkey, Dakota. Vent your
frustrations there. It's fun. ;-)




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Re: MVC Dilemma

[netsql]

#1. Most DB's let you connect to another DB, even to another vendor to 
do a join. That be the simplest.


#2. What ever you are doing you need to do in the DAO layer only ( and I 
do not see how transcations are helping you on a select).

So I suggest you document a unit test of what you want the dao to do.
Then.. write it. Iteration?

#3. I suspect iBatis could help, but... not in the way you approached it 
so far.


Remember, data... in data layer.


hth,
.V

olonga henry wrote:

That's Right,  there are multiple issues here that involves
JTATransactionManager which I can deal with.  However what I am asking here



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Re: [FRIDAY] Rarely available images - Berners Lee, Gates, Jobs, et al

[netsql]

We should on wiki have "mug shots" of the Struts devs!!!
You think?
I have meat in person most of them, but ... other might want to see.

So if someone want to start a gallery on wiki (or a photo site) if the like.

.V
ps: not a dev, but here is one mug shot of me http://struts.1up.com

Ted Husted wrote:

Worth the click :)



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Re: I Apologize

[netsql]

I have been on this list since '00 and this is the fastest they have 
been releasing.
Thanks for the fast pace devs. (I do not mean to be sarcastic, I do 
think the pace is quite fast).



.V



"Why did Struts development stagnate?"




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Re: [OT] JMS, RMI, CORBA, SOAP or what?

[netsql]

I use Hessian protocol.
Also, consider OSGi (Eclipse) for breaking up a war into modules.

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Leon Rosenberg wrote:

On 3/29/06, Emmanouil Batsis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Leon Rosenberg wrote:


But I think that CORBA can compete very well here!
Or do you have other impressions?


Nope, just wanted to point out that, where i come from, the analogy of
CORBA and EJB devs is 1 to 10 at best.


Same here, but the one CORBA developer is worth 10 EJB developers in
most cases :-)))


Cheers,

Manos



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Re: [ANNOUNCE] Struts Shale Framework 1.0.2 Alpha

[netsql]

Congrats, devs!
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Wendy Smoak wrote:

The Struts team is pleased to announce the release of Struts Shale 1.0.2 Alpha.




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Re: AppServer comparison analysis (O/T)

[netsql]

Let me make it simple for all you noobs:
Resin!

(It does PHP just like JSP, Groovy, 5x faster, easy reloader, used by 
most seniors on this list )


and most popular of the list: 
http://news.netcraft.com/archives/2003/04/10/java_servlet_engines.html


.V

Martin Gainty wrote:

By far the most complete AppServer comparison matrix I have seen
At the risk of sounding like Red Green.. Thanks Moose!

Martin--




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ot: cool os projects

[netsql]

http://www.wilsonresearch.com/2006/ostgawards06/ostgawards4.php

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Re: Struts CMS ?

[netsql]

http://sourceforge.net/projects/infonoia

.V




On 3/18/06, Shshank Jain <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Hii,

Are there any Content management systems (CMS) which can be easily
integrated into Struts based systems ?

Presently trying to get things working with lenya.

-Shanky

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Re: has struts reached the saturation

[netsql]

A similar question would be:

What if one developed in Ajax, and the back end tech stack did not matter.
What Ajax framework would you use would matter.

.V

Michael Jouravlev wrote:


What if you developed components in good old JSP, and used whatever
action framework you like,



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Re: has struts reached the saturation

[netsql]

So I got to talk to a few start ups in SV. Here is my guess of market 
share of new projects in '07. If you disagree, I will give you a refund.


1.C# is big (  Maverick.net I hope. I am surprised how many companies 
are converting this quick) 35%
2.Ajax is big (client side, not emitted from server, any back end stack) 
 20%

3. SOA (like talking to ebay, 40% of ebay traffic is API) 10%
4.PHP! (Quercus I love) 5%
5.One could just lump all the JEE ones into a single bucket. Emitting UI 
from server, like it's 1999? Who cares, is there someone left in a 3rd 
world high school who still does not know html/css? Just maintain legacy 
apps like is 3270. 3%

6. Other (Ruby.) X%

My hope is that Flash and then "SmartClient/WinFX" "generation follows 
Ajax UI quicker rather than later. Maybe some SOA dispatcher would help 
Groovy get market share, but Java??


Really, more choices competing for developers is a good thing.

.V



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Re: [OT] Jasper Reports

[netsql]

Did you want to send an email to him or did you want to post in Jasper 
Reports forms to see if someone can help you.

.V

Nandakishore Nekkanti wrote:

HI Teodor Danciu

I am facing a problem while using Jasper Reports.

I am using JRxlsExporter to export to Excel fromat.I want to export the
report to a file  and i want all the data  to be appended to the same
file.Why i am forcing to do like this is , If my report

contains records more than 2 lakh then the ResultSet obj is suffering with
OutofMemory.To avoid this  we are running query in batches.In this case i
need to generate only one file for all the

ResultSet objs that i will get .

For this i have created one FileOutputStream obj
in append mode.I am setting this obj to JRxlsExporter .When i run my
application with different ResultSet obj's the size of

the file is increasing.So i can say that data is appending to the file . But
if  i open the file i am not finding any changes in that .When i close the
file it is immediately coming  to previous size.

Why it is happening like this.Please help me to sort out this problem.Or
please suggest any other solution to get out of  OutOfMemory error other
than increasing heap size.


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Re: [OT]Struts - AJAX, best solution

[netsql]

Which AJAX framework do you want to use?

(and then do you need Struts)


.V

Ashish Kulkarni wrote:


1 What is the best soluction to have struts and AJAX
work together?



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Shale article

[netsql]

http://www-128.ibm.com/developerworks/library/j-shale0228/?ca=dgr-lnxw07Shale

or WW2?
Which does services better?

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Re: [OT] Hiding methods

[netsql]

Ahh... that's what code defensively means.  :-)

Some threads are just more fun.

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Frank W. Zammetti wrote:

What's wrong with the implementation?

And, if it took my replacement a week to figure that out, I would hope 
he'd have a replacement shortly thereafter :)


Frank





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Re: [OT] Hiding methods

[netsql]

Wow.

Why not
method(args, this);
so you know the calling object.

or better version.
register(this);
method(arg);

Plenty of OO designs.

Or just don't make it public, there are 3 "modifier" choices left other 
then public, including package/friend.
I would just expose an API interface and have comments "for internal 
use" for implementation, which I would then not JavaDoc! Just JavaDoc 
the API interface.


.V



Frank W. Zammetti wrote:

I saw a very similar question asked a few months back in a general Java
forum, and I suggested an answer that I've never had the chance to
actually try out... the theory is interesting though...

In the method you want to "protect", immediately throw an exception and
catch it.  Then, parse the stack trace and see who the caller was.  If
it's not a class you want to have access to the method, throw an
IllegalAccessException.

Again, it's one of those things that sounds good in your head, I have no
idea if it translates to anything workable :)




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Re: memory usage

[netsql]

Are you using r/o request "beans" or session r/w "beans"?
How many users at a time? What is the mix? How many bytes per 
columns/rows? (ex: displaytag)


Also, what is your DAO (data) caching plans? This in my designs is 
majority of RAM usage.


I built one site to support 10,000 concurent users, and we used 64 bit 
CPU (AMD) on servers ( 6 of them) to be able to address > 4 gig JVM 
space to do more DAO caching of "blobs" (media/images)


Mostly this shakes itself out during stress testing (and struts is great 
at this since you can test your "M" (Data) layer by itself).


So since majority of memory is related to your "domain" (business app 
area)


The struts "servlets" takes very few bytes itself and there is one of 
each (even for multiple sessions).



hth,
.V


[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
I'm not sure I understand your gasps at my question.  To extend on the "that's like buying a truck asking them how much it will weight when you fill it up" -- I can calculate the memory usage of the parts that I implement on behalf of my application itself.  Obviously no one can speak to the size of the memory usage of the applications specific objects that I create, things, I put in session, etc.   

However, this isn't my question.  My question seems answerable enough.  I just want to know how much memory the struts framework tend to take up by itself, OR, alternately, what are the areas of memory usage to examine to decide such a thing.  

Is this really not easily determined?  What would make it so hard to determine?





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To: user@struts.apache.org
Date: Tue, 14 Feb 2006 11:24:58 -0500
Subject: Re: memory usage

James Mitchell wrote:> LOL!  That's like buying a truck from Ford, and then asking them how> much 
it will weigh when you fill it up.That's a better answer than mine; I was just gonna say "15K" 
and call itday.Dave "You don't code your Struts in 
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OT: Is there a very simple "MVC" for ASP 2005 w/ a tutorial? Something to show my poor friend about taking SQL out of ASP but very simple.

[netsql]

tia,
.V


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Thread on JSF.... and a podcast, in case you like to try a pod cast

[netsql]

For those that are not tired of framework wars:
http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=38601


I think Shale can be used w/ different view layer, ex: Wicket. I also 
think Shale WAR can be done in Groovy (it makes class files). That would 
be a good combo for the "old" browser tech. (I do only RiA now, I am no 
longer a webmaster.)



OT: Is there a very simple "MVC" for ASP w/ a tutorial? Something to 
show my poor friend about taking SQL out of ASP.


.V


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Re: Starting with struts again

[netsql]

http://wiki.apache.org/struts/StrutsBook

.V


 


Any books, online articles, etc. of what to use and how to structure the
code? Basically I want to make sure I am using it the "right" way as the
best approach has probably changed since I last used it. 



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ot: more on wicket

[netsql]

http://www.javalobby.org/java/forums/t60786.html

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Re: wicket's #1 ??

[netsql]

I just looked at the web site.
They have possibly best mission statement, from their site:

"I once heard Josh Bloch talk about the power to weight ratio of an API.

The highest compliment anyone could make of Wicket would be to suggest 
that Wicket has *a lot of power and not much conceptual surface area.*


In art, negative space is the part that's not the subject. In music, 
negative space is the rest. In software, negative space is all the code 
that you managed to avoid writing. In all three disciplines, it's what 
separates what is truly excellent from what is merely good.
Following this metaphor, if Wicket is our foreground object, it is 
*defined in a negative sense by all the things that it is not*"


That's cool, and missing a lot from JCP's JEE.
iBatis comes to mind. CoR.

.V

ps: of course I only do ria.

David G. Friedman wrote:

Like I believe that one.  Have you ever read wicket?  *yuck*

-David, full of personal opinions and obviously not a Japanese Wicket promoter 
like that blog sampled

-Original Message-
From: news [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of netsql
Sent: Saturday, January 14, 2006 9:29 AM
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Subject: wicket's #1 ??

http://jroller.com/page/dashorst?entry=delicious_wicket_takes_the_lead

by links it seems.
.V



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wicket's #1 ??

[netsql]

http://jroller.com/page/dashorst?entry=delicious_wicket_takes_the_lead


by links it seems.
.V


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Struts presenation post

[netsql]

http://jroller.com/page/pdelaney?entry=struts_an_embarrassment_of_riches

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very ot/friday: Swing (Vic)

[netsql]

So you know how I like to spin RiA, nothing to do w/ Struts?

here is some Swing thread:
http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=38473

;-P

.V

ps otoh: Anyone building a portal should consider Drupal, it can now run 
on Resin.



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Re: Web Push Technology

[netsql]

otoh, back to the future... pointcast.com!
My current version 1.5x is pull.

Version 2.0 that is in alpha and not released will be push (and allow 
for offline reading, like on a laptop on plane, plus a few more neat 
features).


.V

souravm wrote:

Raghu/Frank,

You are very right in saying that it is a real fun participating in a
discussion where architects bring out all different aspects of the
problems and solutions with the trade-offs.

Now coming back to the topic in hand -

1. I agree with you about the applet route (and its consequences). Bit I
have to rule it out initially itself as the client is not fine with
applet (again due the consequences you already discussed).
2. They are neither ok with using any other standard or custom
application protocol over TCP/IP apart from HTTP.

I'm having a real hard time in convincing them that they are aspiring
for something impossible unless some not so elegant technology like
pushlet (according to me) is used for achieving pull based server over
http.

Regards,
Sourav





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Re: How does Shale affect my Struts development

[netsql]

One way to do is do CoR, which is optional for 1.x, built into 1.3+.
CoR mandates a signature, so if you do all the work there, you can call 
it from anywhere, as all newer build from Struts come w/ CoR jars.


.V




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Jan 12th

[netsql]

http://java.sys-con.com/read/165115.htm

.V


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Re: Online Struts Tutorial

[netsql]

Opps.
We used iBatis 2.0 on a project 2 years ago, 1up.com.
The main difference is that it does not need to map as much, looked 
similar to me, minor things. So 2.x all the way.


.V

Michael Jouravlev wrote:

Er... Actually, I was asking about IBatis 1.x vs. IBatis 2.x. Thanks
for giving me insight on Struts versions, though ;-)




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Re: Online Struts Tutorial

[netsql]

There is no concreate Struts 2.0 afaik! So you can't use it to build.

There's hardly a 1.3 you can download yet to even try.

Lots of changes are yet to happen to "Ti" even at high level. No Api has 
been set. And no date set for it. Look how long 1.3 has been baking.


.V



Michael Jouravlev wrote:




Is 1.x usage so different from 2.0 ? Does it make sense to start from
1.x and then move to 2.0 features or it is better to start from 2.0
right away?



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Re: Online Struts Tutorial

[netsql]

there not even 1.3, hold on early adators.

.V




Is 1.x usage so different from 2.0 ? Does it make sense to start from
1.x and then move to 2.0 features or it is better to start from 2.0
right away?



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Re: Online Struts Tutorial

[netsql]

In the wiki, I think there's a rick reuman Struts and iBatis tutorial

Access Denied wrote:

Would someone please recommend a current tutorial that may include iBATIS
integration?

tia,
am




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Re: [FRIDAY] Struts 1.x is Struts Classic after all

[netsql]

It's happened before: Appache HTTP server.
Or Apache Commons?
Just Appache means the server... or ASF?

Realy, it's no big deal. A rose by any other name!
.V

Preston CRAWFORD wrote:



Or back to my example. Apache Jakarta Struts Shale.





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Re: [FRIDAY] Struts 1.x is Struts Classic after all

[netsql]

I think this would help you:

http://wiki.apache.org/struts/SnapshotGuide11

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Preston CRAWFORD wrote:

I think that's part of the confusion, though.

Struts = Legacy Struts 1.2.x - Action based architecture
Struts Shale = Framework that leans on JSF and has a compatability
layer written so it can support 1.x Struts apps

See the confusion?



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Re: Integrating Struts in DWR??

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But Ajax is only one example of Remoting and "RiA". If Shale lets me do 
JDNC remoting (and 6 others) as well, that's a plus and less 
refactoring. Yes, if everything is COR, one is ahead of the game (and 
that is my case at the moment, everything is COR on back end).


ot: http://prototype.conio.net any coments on this?
realy, I keep looking for a good stable stack.

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Joe Germuska wrote:

That Shale has an Ajax module has nothing to do with DWR; DWR provides 
all of its own AJAX plumbing, if by AJAX you mean having a page 
communicate with a server without a full page refresh.  



 You would have two servlets in one application context sharing 
access to the same business-level components.


If you have so much behavior bound up in Struts Actions and ActionForms 
that you can't easily use DWR in the same application context, then you 
have too much behavior bound up in Struts.  Time to refactor!





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Re: [FRIDAY] Struts 1.x is Struts Classic after all

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Frank W. Zammetti wrote:


what does this AJAX module offer that can't be 
accomplished outside Shale with little difficulty?  I ask because, AJAX 
being nothing but normal HTTP requests, is inherently supported by any 
web framework in existence today.  Oh, don't get me wrong, there are 
some niceties that a framework could offer... automatic parsing of XML 
for instance... but aside from extras like that, there's nothing special 
about AJAX.




http://struts.apache.org/struts-shale/shale-core/apidocs/org/apache/shale/remote/package-frame.html

What's special about Ajax, that is fundamentaly diferent from the past 
is that it renders on the client side. It's a steping stone to future.

It opens the door to client side.
w/ a dynamic view (Ajax to JDNC, or JDNC + embeded browser inside, etc.) 
it be nice to have a stable middle layer. Spring I find to heavy, and I 
CoR centric so... I will try to integrate SHale for my project and I 
hope it works for me. Struts makes 0 sense for my current project.


(this may not make sense but it does to me and I find related:
"I think Bass is best beer". Anyone who drinks other lesser beers, is 
lesser than me. :-) Where's the Miller girls in the fountin?
Note, this is an illustration, if you don't have Bass in your fridge, 
I'll drink what you have in the fridge, realy!)


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Re: [FRIDAY] Struts 1.x is Struts Classic after all

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If JSF spec gets refactored in some future to simplify ( just like EJB3, 
maybe we need to wait for JSF v3, and like EJB likely things will get 
worse before they get better) everyone wins. CoR is great, it's KISS, 
and imo better than Spring factories for configuration.
I now think *Shale is most likely to suceed long term*. I could imagine 
a day when "70%" of "Java"(including Groovy ;0) developers use Shale.


Why?
Now imagine you don't need the view layer in a framework . Struts has a 
view layer, so that emliminates it. Ti plans to build another view layer 
 that runs on the server, so pass. (lets not dice it, it has Servlet 
API buuilt in, request, response, just go w/ it). Shale's goal is not to 
have a view layer ... and it's surley not tied to Servlet API.


What tech stack could possibly not need a View layer, but still need a 
back end?
WinFx(Vista's C# thingy), Flash v 8.5 (now w/ layout), Ajax (a fad) and 
JDNC, they don't need a view on the back end!!!

If you do Ajax, why mess w/ the view layer, servlet api, etc.

Again I advocate Shale! ... and  in Groovy (+ibatis, jdnc). Groovy realy 
improves Java becuase it's dynamic, a lot like C# (and SmallTalk, 
ObjectiveC, etc.) For my current project I had to write my own CoR back 
end dispatcher, so I am looking for a right time to refactor 
pointcast.com(tm :-) to Shale. Yes, my project will likely go Shale once 
 I beg the commons-dev to help me "Digest-create" a groovy object from 
.groovy.


J2EE5 comes w/ WS, it's no longer optional. That will have a huge impact 
on what state of the art is. Google API, Ammazon API, RSS api... he, he.
Imagine... why does Tivo and X-Box 360 have a better UI than our 
applications we use ? (such as Drupal, vBulletin). We can build 
Client/Services like RiA apps, right?
Do you realy want to be the last one maintaining legacy html 
applications? I am not saying it kills it, there are still lots of 
terminal based applications that developers support, but ... support is 
not for me. I want to build the next year's application... and it 
generaly takes me a year to build it so ...  start now.

1up.com is flash based + stuts, but that is so not rich enough.

For now, Shale has an Ajax support module, and no other back end 
(middleware?) framework does AFAIK, and that's enogh.


Now go out there and get a date! Or better go out w/ your friends live 
and leave the chat rooms. It's Saturday Night.. time for ber. 
Bass! got to go.


.V

ps: did I plug groovy enough? It rocks. Much more elegant than Ruby.


Dakota Jack wrote:

Does anyone (I mean "anyone") believe that Shale is a potential
future.  Don't even its most avid advocates see it as a temporary
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Re: Integrating Struts in DWR??

[netsql]

Sorry to be a broken record but Shale + DWR might be a good combo to 
consider since Shale has an Ajax module.


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Frank W. Zammetti wrote:

 From the DWR web site:

http://getahead.ltd.uk/dwr/server/struts

Just reading through it quickly, that's just about what I would have 
suggested too in terms of separating out core logic from Actions and 
letting your Actions and DWR servlet call them as needed.  There might 
be some better approaches, but it sounds like the DWR team is looking 
for those approaches themselves.


Frank

Sonali Kulkarni wrote:


Please suggest if there are any good links, or some working examples that
explain how Struts could be integrated into the DWR (AJAX) framework. Any
help would be appreciated. There is hardly any online support or
documentation.

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Re: [FRIDAY] Struts 1.x is Struts Classic after all

[netsql]

Rick ...realy consider Rails crowd input. Please spend 2 hours on 
Groovy, as per example on Resin.


I am going to find a way for CoR create Groovy classes.

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Rick Reumann wrote:

aimed to simplify the developers life requiring no
configuration,  



What?? No configuration? You mean you aren't using the Spring/ EJB/ 
JASS/ RMI/ Hibernate/ JMS/ Struts/ Maven/ XDoclet/ Ajax/ AspectJ/ 
WebServices/ 1050 XML confif files/ KitchenSink solution? That framework 
must suck.





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in CoR so it could be ported to Shale and others :-) ?
.V



Ted Husted wrote:
 and a iBATIS JPetShop port would be next. Film at 11. :)






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Re: [ANN] AjaxChat Now Available

[netsql]

Impresive!

Presumably it could work w/ Shale Ajax module.

.V



Frank W. Zammetti wrote:

I am happy to announce the availability of AjaxChat at the Struts Apps
project on SourceForge.

AjaxChat is, as I'm sure you've guessed, a Struts-based chat application
utilizing AJAX techniques.  I wrote it mostly to serve as an example for
those wondering how to use AJAX with Struts, which seems to be a common 
question on the Struts mailing lists.  Although, I hope it's a

useful app in and of itself, at least on a small scale :)

You can check out a live version at http://www.omnytex.com/ajaxchat.
And yes, I'm aware of the exception when you log off... it's something
peculiar to Resin as it doesn't happen on my Tomcat development instance.

This is the first release, dubbed 1.0 alpha.  It's bound to not be
perfect, but it seems to be *fairly* stable :)  I will make a real
distro for later versions, but for now just unzip this into your servlet
container of choice and you should be good to go as it's an exploded 
webapp.


Feedback is of course welcome.  Also, please note that there is 
currently a problem with the Struts Apps site being updated, so you WILL 
NOT see this there yet.  But, it is in CVS and the file is available for 
download.





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Re: OT: OutOfMemory

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http://tomcat.apache.org/faq/memory.html#adjust


Eric Plante wrote:

I'm on windows XP and the only catalina files that might serve for
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Struts news releases this weekend and status links

[netsql]

http://wiki.apache.org/struts/SnapshotGuide11

A lot going on, I just linked a guide for wiki

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Re: making a "real" full 1.3 ... help on ajax pick?

[netsql]

Self reply:

Has anyone used Rico or Dojo or DWR and or Frank's thing made it to 
production? comments? Urls?

Rico demo looks cool.

.V


netsql wrote:

I re-read it.
This looks great:
http://dojotoolkit.org/archive/dojo-2005-11-07/demos/widget/

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I re-read it.
This looks great:
http://dojotoolkit.org/archive/dojo-2005-11-07/demos/widget/

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Wendy Smoak wrote:



This thread might help:
   http://www.nabble.com/OT%3A-Best-AJAX-framework-t511421.html

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making a "real" full 1.3 ... help on ajax pick?

[netsql]

(I used to make on sf.net many years ago a zip of a compleate Struts, 
jstl, w/ tomcat, etc.)


It be nice to make a zip of a Struts 1.3 start.zip that includes a super 
simple master/detail(displaytag) and standard development enviroment.


It would include things that we normaly and regulary use w/ Struts 1.3 
but don't come w/ downloads from here (JSTL, DisplayTag, Tiles, tomcat 
reloader, build.xml, junit, validation, and ibatis sql map, etc.) Idea 
is that you can just unzip and start 1.3 development w/ DAO, everything 
just played forward a bit, all the configuration set up. (include just 
dummy code and src folder set up). Yes, it would make some decissions, 
but mostly good ones.


I think it should contain Ajax starter. Which?
this one:
http://javawebparts.sourceforge.net ?
http://getahead.ltd.uk/dwr/getstarted ?

So the question is:
* what ajax should be included in sf.net version of struts full 1.3 
start.zip? *


Answer:




tia,
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Re: Struts and SEO

[netsql]

You can have a nighly job that creates plain jsp's per content, that 
link/redirect to your dynamic content.
You can have mutiple domains/boxes with this "static/artifical" content, 
thus increasing ranking.
( I write async. jobs in Groovy myself... you can use Python or .. 
grrr... Java)

When robots come by, they pick up mutiple links to your dynamic content.

Nothing in Struts that prevents you to having a short readable url, and 
url is used in SEO. Ex: 
http://site_about_xbox_games_including_halo.mydomain.com (this woks for 
a certain engine) can be filter resolved to 
http://mydomain.com?contnt_id=123213131 and still show the long name in 
url.(and tiles do not affect this)


Your content needs to ... be very relevent in the 1st or 2nd sentence, 
so consider having and displaying a summary field, becuase spiders will 
not look in the middle of the page for you.


Also, it takes about 6 weeks or more to see a reaction on search engines 
so when you do something, you have to wait to see the effect.


Consider hosting own Lucene search engine, just to learn more about fts 
indexing and shorten feedback loop.


That will be $100 please ;-)

.V


Tony Santinello wrote:

All,

I'm currently working on a site that uses Struts.  One
of the priorities of the site was to make it highly
flexible to the changing needs of our customer base. 
Search Engine Optimization was not a priority at the

time of development.  Now it is.

Our rankings on search engines, like Google, are
extremely low. I understand rankings have a lot to do
with content, incoming links, etc.  But I was told by
a number of sources that due to the dynamic content of
JSP and Struts, spiders have a difficult time crawling
the site.  Even to the point where a spider gets
losted/confused.  Is this true?

A number of things have been recommended to us to
improve our rankings, such as removing the session id,
limiting parameters on the url string to calling jsp
pages directly and not going through actions.

Can anyone add some insight in terms of the relation
between Struts / Search Engines / Spiders?  Why
Struts/Spiders don't get along? How can I get a spider
to search my site without having to recode my actions
and jsp pages?  


Thanks,
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Re: OT: Best AJAX framework

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Just to be diferent, there are alternatives to Ajax:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/smartclient/understanding/definition/default.aspx

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Rafael Nami wrote:

Super, I tested ajaxtags and really liked it, but that's how I said before -
The team arged that before using a framework, they have to understand what
Ajax is.





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Re: Why Chain over Action?

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1st, you can use Commons Chain in Struts 1.2.X. In 1.3 the request 
processor is done in Chain... but a user can't tell.

You can use Commons Chain (a CoR pattern) outside of Struts.

It lets you xml configure a command to execute, or ... several commands 
(hence it's called Chain) Anyone can look at XML and see where to start 
reading code (just like "old" struts).

I use Chain... w/ JDNC!

I used to use IoC (hivemind) where you 1st define a sginature, etc. In 
CoR... signature is allways same, and you don't have to change it to 
pass in more arguments or to return more arguments or arguments change 
(it's just a map/context) thus giving you less think time and more code 
stability. I allso played w/ JMX to configure "commands" but... for some 
reason I stoped, and only use Chain.


In 1.3 you don't have to use a chain action.
If you do use chain action... you application no longer depends on Struts!
Eventually you have many commands... and my developers cofigure a 
"chain" of resuable comaands, they fit togeter w/o planing.
So a comand x from chain y can be used with command a from chain b to 
from chain alpha (x + a). This was discovered by accident.

In esence, it's modular programming.. but more so.

(Now I stoped doing even that and am moving everything to Groovy to beat 
up on Ruby, Python crowd w/ Java productivity... you just write so fast 
and it just works, almost readable pseudo code)


hth,



Paul Benedict wrote:

Subject line says it all.

I've been contemplating this topic. The best answer I can give here is that in 
Struts 1.3, you
really don't have to ever deal with an Action class at all - use ChainAction as 
an entry point
into your chains. But how would you model a real world application using the 
chains? Let me guess:
see the example applications :-) If there are more brilliant answers, I'd like 
to hear them.

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[OT ANN] Roomity v 1.5 w/ video, social networking and html editor + JDNC article

[netsql]

Roomity.com v 1.5 is a web 2.01/RiA poster child community webapp. This new 
version ads broadcast video, social networking such as favorite authors and 
html editor.
It likely already has groups and content you are already using but aggregated 
and safer, including technology, Java, etc., but it only works on broadband.

It's not Struts based, it's MVC, but you can get to Struts mail list via 
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Re: Struts + Spring + Hibernate

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I use a diferent stack, this one: http://ibatis.apache.org/petstore.html
not what you asked for but..


Martin Ravell wrote:

Are there some developers here who use this solution?
Does someone have a good tutorial or sample to indicate? (I've already
seen "Wiring your web applications with Open Source java"..thanks :o))

Thanks for your feedback on this architecture :o)




Check out Matt Raible's Equinox project. For that matter you can get a head
start on this combination using Appfuse.


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OT Ann : Roomity v 1.5 w/ video and html editor + JDNC article

[netsql]

  

  
  
  




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[netsql]

//Contrast it to creating an IE sidebar:

And how I get IE on Fedora ;-)

One thing about FireFox... current version 1-1.5 is staticaly linked and not 
embedable; unlike mozilla... they said they'll fix it.

.V

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Re: This is my 1st blog

[netsql]

Ooops. that would be a bug w/ 1.3 roomity :-(
(a blog does not post! huh)
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netsql wrote:

I wonder if it works, this blogger of mine.


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Re: Who decides?

[netsql]

I disagree. SQL SELECT command writen by somone w/ 6 years, or 9 years 
of 12 years expereince, etc. is a huge difference IMO.


Also, would you give a $10MM+ budget to 5 years person? No one would. 
They would never see a forest from the trees.


There may be perception amongst MBA's that we are all widgets and "IT 
does not matter", but to me ... PHB's don't matter.


.V

lets see my tech timeline: Unix, Informix, DBII, Turbo Pascal, Cliper, 
rBase, OS2/MS SQL, PowerBuilder, Sybase, C,C++, Java, Fedora,.



Rick Reumann wrote:
Yes, 
a seasoned programmer will more valuable than someone right out of 
college, yet once that college grad has about 5 years (maybe less) 
experience, I would not say that he's necessarily any less valuable than 
the programmer who has been programming for 10 or more years. The 
deciding factor will then become who's been keeping up more with the 
latest technologies. Previous experience becomes much less important.






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Re: basics of struts

[netsql]

The link is an example of it runing (as is 1Up, and a few other clients. 
Cool thing about WHO is that it's set up.exe that install's struts, 
tomcat, db, etc. and runs).


In order to get the book, you have to read the insrutctions about 
attachment at botom of page.


.V


James Mitchell wrote:
Someone should recheck the link from the wiki page, it points to  "World 
Health Organization (WHO)
HIV/AIDS Toolkits on the Web and CD-ROM", which I doubt was the  
intended target.


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On Sep 5, 2005, at 8:58 AM, netsql wrote:


There is a 30 hour tutorial on struts wiki:
http://wiki.apache.org/struts (search book)

I wonder if that would help you. (it's meant for instructors ...  but 
maybe you try it).





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Re: basics of struts

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There is a 30 hour tutorial on struts wiki:
http://wiki.apache.org/struts (search book)

I wonder if that would help you. (it's meant for instructors ... but 
maybe you try it).



Ankit Pancholi wrote:

Hi guys

I am a very new user of struts. Making my first pgm and wanted to know
what will be the argument type in the setter function for a checkbox,
listbox, combo button.

Another thing is when I am trying to compile my basic java code for the
form bean and action class it is giving me that javax.servlet.http.* not
found. I have run the same code in another machine long bac wit no
probs. Any idea wat setting I hav missed. I have set the classpath
variable to sturts.jar file and am running tomcat server.
Thanks for any kinda help.





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Re: Shocking about Netbeans 4.2

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Yes.


Legolas Woodland wrote:


are you Victor Cen. who post in TSS ?
 On 9/5/05, netsql <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: 


http://www.javalobby.org/java/forums/t44901.html

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Shocking about Netbeans 4.2

[netsql]

http://www.javalobby.org/java/forums/t44901.html

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Re: OT: Good Java host

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It be great if this freqeunt OT question was on wiki.
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lchalupa wrote:
I've been with eapps.com 



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Re: Select Options Question

[netsql]

Chapter 16 in wiki struts book will tell you how to use options 
collections w/ DAO, and it has a lab.

hth,
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[EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:

I am sure there is a slick way to do this, but it escapes me at the moment.

I have a Select Box that I am populating with the  tag  The
result is:


Group 1
Group 2
Group 3
   ...


I need the value for DAO actions performed from the search which will
return a detail bean for display on an output JSP.

On the output JSP I need to Display the Group Name that I selected from the
input.  My Form holds the group id and a field for the group name.  The
options that I can see are:

1.  Requery the Database for the output page to retrieve the name given I
have the key.  This would work, but seems like a lot of overhead to go to
the database each time.
2.  Create a delimited value (ie Group
1) and use the String Split to get the value and label.  (I am
leaning toward this)
3.  use javascript to update the field each time the select changes.  The
problem with this is that the select box can be very large based on the
users selections on previous entries.
4.  Store the Value Label list in the session (Don't like this at all
because the volume of users that will use this application).

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Re: Struts Documentation

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From home page of Struts, there is a link to wiki, which has a book/w labs:
http://wiki.apache.org/struts

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Gonella Jayprakash wrote:

Hi,
 Can anyone please tell where to get the documentation for Struts.
I cannot find any link for downloading the struts doc on
struts.apache.org.

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Re: OT: Design Issue.

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You won't get into any problems w/ only 5 users if you just have a field 
in table viewed_by_userId.

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karthikeyan balasubramanian wrote:

Hi all,

This may not be exactly struts question but here is my scenario:

1. I will be reading data from a single table and displaying it to some 
users.
2. Assuming that there are 5 users at one time records read by one user 
should 
not be seen by others.

3. This single table size can be huge.

What is the efficient way to achieve this solution without getting into
table locking issues.

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Re: Shale/JSF/Java posts

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Would starting up a separate shale mailing list be a bad idea? 




Defintely +1 for this idea.




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Re: [JSF] using a jsp:forward to get to backing bean method?

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Rick, consider trying Faclets (from Java.net) w/ Struts Ti (from Dev 
List) combo; that may be more powerfull and more teachable.


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Rick Reumann wrote:

David Haynes wrote the following on 8/22/2005 4:19 PM:


I'm just fumbling my way through like most others...



Trust me you don't want me as your 'JSF running back' 
right now in JSF Fantasy Football. I've been fumbling in all my 
pre-season attempts at carrying the ball:) I think I'm averaging -20 
yards/carry.





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Re:How to Debug easier

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I use https://simple-log.dev.java.net

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Ann: Book softcopy in wiki

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http://wiki.apache.org/struts/StrutsBook

A donation. Hopefully people jump in and maintain, w/o defacing it (Jack).

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Re: Tiles standalone jar

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So 1.3 is NOT using the standalone tiles but the old tiles?

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Craig McClanahan wrote:



Be warned, however, that a couple of changes in the Struts 1.3 version
of Tiles have not yet been ported over ... I hope to do that this
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Re: Struts weaknesses question

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Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
... these are applications that don't
necessarily flow from page to page, instead the user can navigate them 
at will, more or less.  "Events" that occur on the client-side don't 
automatically have to result in a whole new page being rendered (and 
this DOES NOT require AJAX, the other buzzword of the day, although it 
is one good way to achieve the result).





I actualy look at each "page/preport" as it's own MVC. User can just 
type in any url at top, that is the event.
They start filling a form, go to lunch, check CNN.com, and go back to 
your site. It's event driven programing, as opposed to procedural 
programing on vt100 where the programer determined the next step.


I am ammused when newbies try to document or enforce a workflow arround 
an  ever chaning business process. Flow chart anyone :-)


Navigation/menu to me is ... just a menu that has all the urls of each 
page. Event driven, user in control. They feel empowered.



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Re: [OT] Reasonable implementation time guesstimates

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I guess some of this is ot, but you said any comments.

In my shop lead enginers are most productive coders ( I measure LC via 
CVS stats) and also get to... lead the project. (I have no project 
managers, who'd respect them?).


This is how I size my projects. Most similar is Scrum (minus scrum 
master) methodology to what I do.

Step 1: takes unlimited amount of time.
Mockups of every screen and report in HTML. (everyu field).
I can't possibly size it.  My clients, users managers, either know what 
they want or don't. This way I know # of screens. Only senior leads work 
w/ clients to extrack mock ups (newbies tend to say "I know" to client, 
when they should say "No, I have no idea what you want", lets write it 
down).

I call this mock up.

Step 2: I estimate that each prodcitve developr can do 3-6 modules per 
day iterative based on my 15 years + as lead. (Yes, I have a 
productivity goal. Also I have no meetings or LAN downtime). So that 
kind of means that seasoned guys can do "6" "screens/tiles" per day, vs 
less experienced guys can do "3". Since Sturts is MVC, there are like 3 
iterations. This is sizing. I do not make a Microsoft Project plan, 
becuase that artificialy limits prodtivity. (like ok, this iteration is 
not to be finished untill next week, so it eats my profit. I keep anyone 
who think MS Project = Project Managemnt away from my projects)


3. View layer iteration I do 1st. Something like ren *.html *.jsp plus 
clean up. Then I get them to make tiles, and link each jsp to be called 
by empty action that just forwards to "normal". Also emtpy formbeans or 
form maps, with some fake data in constructor. For displaytag, I use a 
collections, again fake data in contructos.  I don't do menu or 
naviagtion in this iteration. I do CSS here. Clients like to debate 
colors and images.
This I call prototype, it has emty action and tiles and css and it looks 
like it works, but no data. (3-6 per day). Clients love how quickly I go 
from 1 to 3, it shows listening ability and responsivnes.

Notice that you just wrap an emty struts sceleton arround clients screens.

4. By now, my DBA studied step 1 and has designed an E/R model. I get my 
 developers to write DAO's matching step 1 / 3 and unit test each DAO 
CRUD. (They are not tied to action or anything Struts). (3-6 per day).


5. Action was blank so far. Tie DAO to Action and View. (3-6 per day). 
Each developer worked on same vertical slice aka module.


6. Navigation and QA (3-6 per day). Since navigation is dynamic, users 
should be able to go from any page to any page at any time, I do it 
last. (story boarding is a waste, business process is dynamic and 
changing, data is static).


7. Interfaces. It takes at least several days per external interface if 
they are well defined in step 1. Write those, starting after 4.

Done!

For example, we did 1Up.com 104 screens (each screen had many tiles) for 
$760K w/ 30% margin over 4 months with 5.5 developers using above. (qa 
came in at end, to validate that mockups in 1 are just like #6. It was 
fixed bid. In hind sight, I think we would have had higher produtivity 
in PHP.


I guess you can see how I don't use top down or bottom up, uper case or 
UML. I just count screens.
Some modules are harder than others. But over life of project it averges 
out. So I allways say 3-6 per day no mater if easy or hard. I don't 
study process, it's a waging tail. I just split screens into modules and 
assign modules to developers. Moduels can be by type of user of you 
system. For example on your project you could have 1 developer write 
Admin MVC modules, another do Exibitior MVC modules and a 3rd do Manager 
MVC modules.
I do not think you sized # of screens/reports from you post at all. They 
can allways change their mind about you not understanding the process 
and making you change your design, just when you think you are done.

But lets say that there are 5 defined screens in each of the 3 modules.
After you have HTML mocups, you should be done in a week w/ 3 
developers. HTML mockups of each field on screen can take month or 2 to 
validate. ALso, if client wants 200 screens/reports but can only afford 
100, they have to pick the ones they want in version 1. And then 
external interfaces depend on if the external ones are defined and 
avilaalbe.
So my esitmates are not hard dates, they are:3 monhts from when we get 
all the hard copies of html mockups you want in version 1. (So if client 
wants a release in April, by Jan 31st they should pick the screens they 
want in version 1). Also, it can take a few weeks to mobilize developers 
(hire, etc.)
Stupid games you play are like client will say: It's 20 screens, start 
now, by the time you are 1/2 done, I'll show you the screens. I allways 
have my developers surf the web and go see a movie while client figures 
out what they want.


I had one developer do 18 modules in one day, no it was not me :-) ... 
it was a she. (She got to be the lead on my next pro

Re: [OT] Tomcat, JAAS and Kerberos

[netsql]

1st answer is I duno.

But...
JAAS I think acts a bit like a filter, it just gets called. In your 
web-xml you tell it what url you want secured and somehow map how the 
users see it. Bea site has a good doc on web.xml.


So I assume that when you get to the secure url, those classes fire and 
see who the users is.


(or just go JDBC relms... map JDBC to LDAP :-)
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Wendy Smoak wrote:



Even if I write a couple of classes and fill in the blanks, I don't see 
what's ever going to instantiate them.


What am I missing?  This can't be as hard as I'm making it.

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[FRIDAY] Link to "Don't use Struts" ;-)

[netsql]

http://jroller.com/page/RickHigh?entry=don_t_use_struts_on1

I think it funny. Be basicly says use anything but Struts. 

Anyday now, we will find a good excuse why it's # 1.
I read someplace: "They chose Struts becuase they already had it, otherwise 
they would have used XYZ. But when we a new project, then... "

Whatever.

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Re: [OT] Swing, was Re: Nice try (was Java code generator including Struts 1.2)

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Yan Hu wrote:

But java is perhaps not suitable for fat client - type apps while it 
is a great language for the server side.



Dave Newton wrote:
How is it "not suitable" for fat clients? 



Yan Hu wrote:   
How many huge apps are written in Java Swing and how many are in C++,C 
or even VB?  




When I did started using Struts, very few people did Struts(Enhydra and 
Turbine and roll your own was the fashion). Majority of traffic 12 years 
ago was Gohper, 1% was html/http. Every 10 years technolgy changes. Wait 
and see, RiA is here:

http://www.theserverside.com/news/thread.tss?thread_id=35810
LimeWire, Azarus, BlogBridge are example client side java apps.

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Should I use JSTL 1.1 & struts taglibs or JSTL 1.0 & struts-el taglibs?

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W/ Tomcat 5 (Servlet 2.4) you should use latest JSTL and regualr Struts tags.

You would only use Struts-el tags w/ Servlet 2.3. 


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Re: Nice try (was Java code generator including Struts 1.2)

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I think Swing is easy if you MVC. For example don't do inner classes and 
listners to this. Just separate out your action from the relizer.

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Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
No argument here... Swing is a pain in the arse under the best of 
conditions.  
Frank


Michael Jouravlev wrote:




Apparently, Swing designers thought that Swing apps would have been
fluid and resizable, and it would have been hard to stick all fluidity
into a simple resource file. And now you have it. Swing code is crap
even when it is well-formatted, with these unwieldy listeners and a
forest of interfaces. There are nicer ways to create event listener
than to implement an interface with bunch of methods in it.



Swing is a clear example why programming to interfaces is sometimes
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AW: Nice try (was Java code generator including Struts 1.2)

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Yeah, them ANN people.

;-)


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[OT] {BEER] commercial J2EE application server recommendations.

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J2EE App Servers:

Resin, Tomcat, Orion

DB:
MySQL, PostgresSQL, Sybase ASA (not ASE)

Framework:
APache/iBatis PetStore

good luck.

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Why would you want to obtusify server side? 

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[OT ANN] Roomity mail lists version 1.0

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I am posting this message using roomity!
Features now and future, we started on version1.5 features this weekend: 
http://roomity.com/news.jsp - yada, yada.
We process arround 45K messages per day.

* http://roomity.com to launch! 

bugs(release early and often!): 
http://tracker.roomity.com:9080/tracker/QuickAddIssue
or [EMAIL PROTECTED] if you can't start it.
Experimental support for Mac. Linux works in Gnome-Mozilla only for now. 

OK, I will TRY not to post more about it here, it's Java, not Stuts. So if you 
want to see new things it does... you'll have to use it. 
Down w/ Ruby and PHP!
(even gmane.org is down today :-( )

Save you mailbox!

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Re: [STRUTS 2X]: Ideas

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Frank W. Zammetti wrote:
 what does it really mean for them to be

rendered client-side and where does DHTML/Ajax fit in?



DHTML renders client side(w Ajax RCP). Flex/Lazlo. Swing. XUL. X-Forms?


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Re: [STRUTS 2X]: Ideas

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Frank W. Zammetti wrote:

See, now it gets interesting because debate starts :)


I would say that key for any "new" framework is that it has to default 
to client side rendering of ui. DHTML/Ajax ... or others ;-)

And then as option be able to do server side generated UI.

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Re: what is M (of MVC) in struts

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Joe Germuska wrote:




Struts does not provide any part of the "M" (Model). 


oh yeah, that's right.

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Re: what is M (of MVC) in struts

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The form"Bean". ;-)

it maps to html form.
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Carl Smith wrote:

Struts privide strong C (of MVC) components, tyical of which are ActionServlet, 
Actions  and RequestProcessors, but I am wondering which part is the M (of MVC).

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Re: [OT] Hibernate vs. iBatis vs. POJO

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Hernandez, Mariano wrote:

we use EJBs, although I and a colleague
have tried to persuade our architech to use ANYTHING other than EJBs. 



Consider having a email "Dear Achitect, thanks for meeting w/ us, we 
brought you some good reasons not to use EJB; we understand you do want 
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Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!!

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news to some:
http://bugs.sakaiproject.org/confluence/pages/viewpage.action?pageId=4981

I think it was said "us Java dudes" should talk less and produce apps 
more in this thread, which is what I said +1 too. It's hard to debate 
PHP vs Java on the server, which is better, which is bigger... bla, bla.


I know you can't do http://roomity.com/launch.jsp in PHP, that would be 
JDNC. And as of tmrw night it will run Linux-Mozilla and OSX-Saffari, 
not just Windoze!.  So if somone says why Java, you say RiA! won't you. 
Lets see somone do that.


(and ah... there is allways the business benefit of not having to post 
your email to mail groups... but we use apps for tech benfit :-) )


hth,
.V

ps: Like Ted said... sometimes we just use MVC we learned in Struts in 
other projects, and my JDNC impl is all MVC, developed by Struts dudes.


John Public wrote:
>  Make no mistake about it. JSF

rocks. JSF is based on "true" MVC architecture, not
the MODEL 2 version that Struts uses. 


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Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!!

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John Henry Xu wrote:


You are right. I worked on Java and hope Java success. That is the reason
my links are java-based. I just want see more sites written in Java. That
is why I think in Java world, we need more doers than talkers.
If more java programmers code complex sites, java could compete to PHP.
But now almost all public sites are dominated by PHP and others... Hope
other Java programmers provides Java links as well.



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Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!!

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Mark Benussi wrote:
Is it

marketing hype to state that Struts/Java/Servlets is for large
applications and I would not build a suite of actions and database 
pooling for my old mans plane photos web site





Why would you say that?

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Mark Benussi wrote:



I have never done any PHP so I can't comment, but agree with the previous
comments in so far as Struts/Java/Servlets is for large applications. I
would not build a suite of actions and database pooling for my old mans
plane photos web site.




You may be just repeating the marketing theory, not what was validated 
in practice. Friendster switched to PHP after Java, so I guess they did 
not find Java scaleable.
On a large project you may want to reduce risk by starting w/ 80% of 
project done and customize the last 20%. Imagine, 1st week and you are 
80% done.

There is DAO, etc for PHP, take a look at architecture of TikiWiki.
And my faviorte lesson: Home page of Spring is in Plone.

Here is a good summary of what's out there:
http://www.opensourcecms.com/index.php?option=content&task=view&id=388&Itemid=143

So if you do non RiA application you need to objactivley consider 
php and plone, see if they have a solution w/ less risk.


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Re: JSF is the beginning of the end of Struts !!!

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John Public wrote:

After just finishing my JSF class, I can confidently
confirm that JSF will eventually lead to Struts
becoming OBSOLETE. 


:-) Enhydra and Torque would say that too circa 2001.
Put up a site and lets see it.


Let's all get
behind JSF before MS takes over the web. 


Nothing wrong w/ C# IMO.
I think PHP is "best(fast and cheap, lowest risk, most roi)" for 
"genric" server side rendering applications. (But then... I think the 
future is client side rendering )

If JSF(or EJB) fails, it won't be becuase somone did not "get behind it".

Competition should give us best answer, and I am all for using better 
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Re: [OT] Hibernate vs. iBatis vs. POJO

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Leon Rosenberg wrote:
 




I think the sentence "clustering will help you scaling" is an urban myth :-)

Leon

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