Re: [libreoffice-users] Adding .pdf Images to Document
Rich , .pdf is not a accepted graphic format for LO or OO surly we urgent need that... in the mean time convert the PDF images to SVG (using Inskape) and then place the SVG in your writer Doc. For non-complex PDF files it works fine. I need to provide a client with a Word version of a report written in LaTeX. Exporting the text to LO format works just fine, but all the images in the document are .pdf files generated by GRASS or R. I'm having difficulty finding how to insert these images in the LO document. Please point me in the right direction. TIA, Rich -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
On 19/11/2012, Dennis E. Hamilton dennis.hamil...@acm.org wrote: The OOXML specifications are at least as complete and rigorous as the ODF ones. Every indication is that the ODF 1.2 support in Office 2013 is quite good. Of particular importance to many users is that OpenFormula is now supported, and this will provide a tremendous improvement in interop between LibreOffice Calc and MSO 2013. Whether this becomes a preferable path between Office and LibreOffice instead of relying on OOXML conversion in LO is an open question. That ODF12 is supported by m$ is useful to know, thanks. This means that LO users will be able to send ODF12 documents and when recipients complain that they can't read it, the recommended options are to upgrade to m$ or use LO/another ODF compliant program. As mentioned before ad nausem, those unhappy with LO should simply revert to m$. The best way to solve these endless questions about compatibility is not to use LO as a m$ clone. Use it to create odf documents or buy m$. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: LibreOffice 3.6.3.2 build on Linux fail on dictionaries and help (localize.sdf not found)
Hey, Thanks, sorry for the mistake, so I'm forwarding it to the dev ML, and maybe later on the french one. And I might go to the IRC channel later too. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/LibreOffice-3-6-3-2-build-on-Linux-fail-on-dictionaries-and-help-localize-sdf-not-found-tp4018811p4019743.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
Don Myers wrote: I have never purchased a copy of Windows either. I only get it when it comes on a computer. Microsoft charges computer companies less than what the public pays, but the last time I heard anything it was something like $50 per computer that the computer companies pay Microsoft for Windows. So we both do pay for it with new computer. And lets not forget the time bombed versions of Office that's included with many new computers. People start using it, and then, after a while, find they can't work with their own documents unless they pay for Office. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
Carl Paulsen wrote: Here, here. But what about gov'ts mandating simply that the format structure be open (without mandating a specific one be used)? That's not political IMHO. http://www.consortiuminfo.org/standardsblog/article.php?story=20121119172623282 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
MS must use several different methods of pushing its Office. My Sony laptop came with Win7 and a Starter version of Office. I have a stripped down version of Word and Excel. Many advanced functions are missing and I have banner ad reminders to buy the full version, but the software doesn't seem to be time bombed. I've had it for two years now and it still works. All that said, I never use it unless I need full Office compatibility, which of course is the issue that started this thread in the first place. Virgil -Original Message- From: James Knott Sent: Tuesday, November 20, 2012 6:15 AM To: LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ? Don Myers wrote: I have never purchased a copy of Windows either. I only get it when it comes on a computer. Microsoft charges computer companies less than what the public pays, but the last time I heard anything it was something like $50 per computer that the computer companies pay Microsoft for Windows. So we both do pay for it with new computer. And lets not forget the time bombed versions of Office that's included with many new computers. People start using it, and then, after a while, find they can't work with their own documents unless they pay for Office. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Charts in Writer
How do I insert a chart in Writer. If I go Insert / Object / Chart one appears which I can edit but as soon as I save and close the file when I reopen it the chart is blank Ta M -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Adding .pdf Images to Document
On Tue, 20 Nov 2012, Steve Edmonds wrote: PDF is not listed as a type of image to insert in my LO 3.5. EPS is if you can convert the PDF's. Steve, That's a thought! Hadn't occurred to me. Thanks, Rich -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Adding .pdf Images to Document
On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Okay, I was incorrect. I thought I did open a PDF in Writer. But it must have been Draw, not Writer. Sorry. I just did some work on this problem and discovered a way to do it. Here is what I did: In Writer, Insert - Object - OLE Object - In the dialog that comes up, Click on Create from file at the top. In the dialog that comes up, Click on Select... to bring up the file browser. Select the PDF file you want to insert. Click on Open. Click on OK. Girvin, Thank you. I think that converting .pdf to .eps will be quicker so I'll try that first. Much appreciated, both of you, Rich -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
VA, In reply to your E-mail from 20-11-2012, 14:05 with subject [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?. V MS must use several different methods of pushing its Office. My Sony laptop V came with Win7 and a Starter version of Office. I have a stripped down V version of Word and Excel. Many advanced functions are missing and I have V banner ad reminders to buy the full version, but the software doesn't seem V to be time bombed. I've had it for two years now and it still works. Just a thought of an average user. Microsoft is forced by the European community to give user the choice what browser they want to use (IE, Firefox, Chrome, Safari ...). Microsoft even got a penalty for refusing it. It would be a nice option, if a buyer of a computer can select as well which office suite he want to use. Let say MSO, OO or LO. This could increase the number off users using LibreOffice. To reach this goal TDF needs to start a lobby in Brussels. Greetings, Piet Jan Koeleman. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
On 11/19/2012 07:04 PM, James Knott wrote: VA wrote: Nobody is forced to purchase MS products. Try and buy a computer without Windows. While there are some available, they're rare. Also, read up on the MS anti trust cases to see how they forced market share with illegal and near illegal methods, including extortion. Buying a computer without an OS installed is easy. You just have to not go into the brick-n-morter stores, but go online to various stores. I bought my quad computer without an OS. I then added a 19 monitor from a differentonline store, which was cheaper than buying the computer's store LCD/LED options. That was a few years back, but I see computers all the time listed with either no OS or Win7. I will never buy a Win8 computer, with its anti-Win7 and anti-Linux security system Try TigerDirect.com for your computer needs. I do. They have good warranties as well. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: libre office calc spreadsheet function question
I figured out how to convert the values in each of the cells at the same time, using the paste special function. Another question relating to the last post: Why use =C7*$A$4 rather than =C7*A4? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libre-office-calc-spreadsheet-function-question-tp4019527p4019799.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] How to edit MS doc(x) files without breaking it for MS?
2012/11/19 Paolo Debortoli paolo_debort...@yahoo.com hi all. i had the same problem receving via email from an office .docx files. when I try to import the file in libreoffice it crashes and does not allow to import in any way. the solution I found is to open such file with gwoffice (google office app, you need a google account connected to use it) and save it in odt format always via gwoffice (then it is exactly in lo format). I think that opening such files shouldn't be very difficult (I am not a programmer at all). paolo I must say I find this odd, as I've not experienced similar problems in Writer. To test, I booted from my usual Ubuntu 12.04 into Windows 7 and created two .docx documents in MS Office Word 2010 (Swedish version), one the first strophe of a Swedish poem, the other a line from Thomas Paine's *Common Sense*. I had no problem opening either one in LibreOffice (Swedish Version 3.6.3.2 (Build ID: 58f22d5)) ; to test further I sent the latter as an attachment to a Gmail message to a friend in India who has an English-language version of LibreOffice (3.5.4.2 Build ID: 350m1(Build:2)). He also had no trouble in opening and reading the attachment. Both these two documents were, of course, extremely simple, no embedded hyperlinks or tables, etc, but for documents of this nature I am unable to reproduce any difficulties in opening .docx files in recent versions of LibreOffice. From what I understand, however, things can become more complicated when links or tables are embedded in documents or when other LibreOffice functions, like Calc or Impress are used Henri -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
On 11/20/2012 09:12 AM, P.J. Koeleman. wrote: VA, In reply to your E-mail from 20-11-2012, 14:05 with subject [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?. V MS must use several different methods of pushing its Office. My Sony laptop V came with Win7 and a Starter version of Office. I have a stripped down V version of Word and Excel. Many advanced functions are missing and I have V banner ad reminders to buy the full version, but the software doesn't seem V to be time bombed. I've had it for two years now and it still works. Just a thought of an average user. Microsoft is forced by the European community to give user the choice what browser they want to use (IE, Firefox, Chrome, Safari ...). Microsoft even got a penalty for refusing it. It would be a nice option, if a buyer of a computer can select as well which office suite he want to use. Let say MSO, OO or LO. This could increase the number off users using LibreOffice. To reach this goal TDF needs to start a lobby in Brussels. Greetings, Piet Jan Koeleman. IMHO Europe will probably finally force the issue with full ODF compatibility with MS. MS has annoyed many with their monopolistic tactics. A marketing problem for MS is as long as the MSO formats are supported/readable by the current MSO and other suites (LO/AOO) many will not need the newest version. Truthfully the market has matured enough for office suites that improvements are incremental not fundamental. I can remember when spelling and grammar checkers were added - that was a big deal. That improvement was enough to get anyone's attention. It was such a valuable addition to the usefulness of the suite that people would get the newest version. But the last versions of any office suite have been incremental improvements, bug fixes, etc. that are important but may not really impact a specific user. Thus the older version is still perfectly adequate. In the case of MSO I not sure I have used any of the new features added since MSO 2000 in any version of MSO I have used. The market growth for MS is much slower because for many there is no major reason to upgrade for many unless forced to by lack of support of either the file format or the software itself. . -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: libre office calc spreadsheet function question
On 11/20/2012 10:16 AM, eddie arni wrote: I figured out how to convert the values in each of the cells at the same time, using the paste special function. Another question relating to the last post: Why use =C7*$A$4 rather than =C7*A4? If you are copying and pasting or using fill down the references increment according to the new location. If you need to reference the same cell you must use $A$1 to tell Calc (or any spreadsheet) that this cell reference does not change when pasting or filling down. For a column of entries to be multiplied by a constant I have two choices. I can enter the constant into each formula or use an absolute reference to the cell where the constant's value is entered. The latter is generally a better technique because any time you need to change the value you only need to make one entry and all the calculations are automatically updated. -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/libre-office-calc-spreadsheet-function-question-tp4019527p4019799.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] How to edit MS doc(x) files without breaking it for MS?
On 11/19/2012 01:08 PM, enemy troep wrote: Hello! A girlfriend of mine was tired of windows and installed the latest Linux Mint on her netbook, which comes with libre office. Although Libre is working generally well, she noticed a problem when working with Docx and Doc. If the original file is made in LO, both LO and MS office can change it without problems. If the original file is made in MS office, then changed in LO, then MS office can no longer read it. After googling, it seems to be a bug in the later versions of LO / Open office. We tried to locate a debian based LO of version 3.4 or earlier, but without success. All links are either dead, or link to the latest version. Coincidentally, we fail to install Open Office (in the hope their product does not have this problem) even after following multiple tutorials to remove LO first before installing OO. Obviously, not being able to interact with documents from MS office is not an option when the netbook is to be used at school. If we can't solve this, she will have to return to Windows just for the sake of being able to share documents with other (non-technical) students. How can we solve this? Many thanks in advance, ET I have only had one document in docx or xlsx format cause problems with LO 3.4 and later out of many. The problem document was a graphics heavy and apparently the picture locations were not very explicit. If you can post the document on Nabble or somewhere else and provide a link may be we see what the problem is. I routinely create MSOX and MSO format documents that are sent to MSOffice users and have not heard any complaints. A common practice is save an MSO file into ODF and then edit the ODF version. When finished save the edited ODF in the appropriate MSO format. This seems to avoid many problems because ODF is the native format for LO/OO. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
On 11/20/2012 06:15 AM, James Knott wrote: Don Myers wrote: I have never purchased a copy of Windows either. I only get it when it comes on a computer. Microsoft charges computer companies less than what the public pays, but the last time I heard anything it was something like $50 per computer that the computer companies pay Microsoft for Windows. So we both do pay for it with new computer. And lets not forget the time bombed versions of Office that's included with many new computers. People start using it, and then, after a while, find they can't work with their own documents unless they pay for Office. The first thing I do when I get a computer is to install Ubuntu as a dual boot system. The next thing I do in Windows is to delete the trial version of MS Office. -- ** -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
Hi :) I think MS have been really clever. Their .DocX and such have been pushed through as ostensibly being an accepted ISO standard even though each of their programs seems to mis-implement it in strange and different way. So, they can say the DocX is a standardised format and then that it's the user's fault for not using the right version of MS Office in order to read this so-called standarised format in the right way. Third party programs such as LibreOffice have to decide which of the DocX formats they follow. Should they implement the spec as agreed with the ISO people, in which case none of the MS programs display it properly or should they pick 2007, 2010 or 365? Whichever of the 4 choices are settled on people will then grumble that their documents produced in any of the others doesn't display properly AND because DocX is an ISO format then therefore it is the fault of LO for not following the 'standard' properly. So, people have to stick with MS Office in order to read and produce the standardised MS format. More than that, they have to upgrade to whichever one all the people they deal with uses otherwise it wont look right. All that is the user's fault because the standard is DocX and the format used in each program is called DocX and therefore it must be the same, right?!!? (The big NO from all those that know gets ignored). So who is claiming that it is the users fault when it clearly isn't?! The users themselves blame themselves and make excuses as to why they haven't bought the 'right' version yet! They honestly don't think it's a bit strange that a so-called 'standard' is not acting the way a standard should and that they need to keep upgrading. So, while file-compatibility is often cited as a reason to stick with MS Office that compatibility only happens if the people sharing the document are using the same version of MS Office. Also a disclaimer during installing 2010 states that it needs to be on the same OS. It says that 2010 on Xp will look different if viewed by 2010 on Win7 [on the same machine with the same printer] The whole thing is crazy. Add in that MS made a big fuss about trying to work with other people by including OpenDocument Format but used the older format rather than the 1.2 that everyone else uses and now says it shows that the ODF format is fundamentally broken so people should stick with DocX. It's only MS Office that fails to display ODF properly. Sometimes one product makes an honest mistake but that is seen as a bug and gets reported and hopefully fixed. It's not blamed on the user for not using the right product. Amazing that people keep falling for MS. Regards from Tom :) From: Carl Paulsen carlpaul...@comcast.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 1:51 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ? Without trying to defend MS, it can only dominate markets that customers allow it to dominate. Nobody is forced to purchase MS products. They do so because, for whatever reason, they perceive that MS serves their needs. One of those needs is file compatibility with others, which by its nature, allows MS sales to feed on themselves. The more people buy MS products, the more people need to buy MS products to communicate with all the others who went before. But, of course, the only reason file compatibility is an issue - the only reason MS can behave as it does - is that it is an effective monopoly. Last time I checked monopolies are anti-competitive, and there are LAWS in the US to curb them. So I agree, there is a role for gov't to step in. Good luck waiting for that though. Break the monopoly for a few years by being hyper-vigilant about code development and marketing and you might actually break the monopoly for good. Furthermore, if enough people forced gov't to accept standardized document types (e.g. ODT or even PDFs!), the monopoly would weaken. Carl -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
Hi :) I tend to use Office either 1. as a generic term covering MS Office, LO, Gnome Office and all the rest (incl ones i don't know) or 2. meaning LO (unless chatting with colleagues) If i am chatting with colleagues and they use the term it's usually to say that something is broken or weird or doesn't work properly in MSO so i make them clarify which Office they are talking about and if they say the MS one then i grimace and shrug and maybe even vocalise the Well what do you expect? That is one of the many typical problems with MSO. You have to either put up with it (as everyone else does) or use LO. Don't worry though because no-one else will notice that mangling of your document because they are so familiar with that sort of thing from MSO Regards from Tom :) From: James Knott james.kn...@rogers.com To: LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 11:15 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ? Don Myers wrote: I have never purchased a copy of Windows either. I only get it when it comes on a computer. Microsoft charges computer companies less than what the public pays, but the last time I heard anything it was something like $50 per computer that the computer companies pay Microsoft for Windows. So we both do pay for it with new computer. And lets not forget the time bombed versions of Office that's included with many new computers. People start using it, and then, after a while, find they can't work with their own documents unless they pay for Office. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Improper English hyphenation
Are you referring to the characters?; if so, you can add the hyphen wherever by clicking on that in the menu -- choosing the character you desire; if not, then I haven't a clue as to what you're doing - I'm quite curious though. On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 5:31 PM, J. Randal Matheny ran...@fastmail.fmwrote: I've used OOo forever, and then jumped to LO, with Brazilian Portuguese and English dictionaries/hyphenation. Recently the English hyphenation has switched, apparently, to Portuguese. I've changed everything to English I can think of, have downloaded and installed the English dictionary etc., done all I know to do. Now I'm at a loss. Any ideas? I'm not so much of a newby, have even edited and published a book in OOo, doing cover and all. Thanks! -- J. Randal Matheny -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
Hi :) Again that is something MS has been pretty clever about. Their new format (the one that only works on the same machine, the same OS and the same version of MSO) has the same name as something they pushed through as an ISO standard and it has all the right words in it, such as Office and Open. So even though their implementations are not open they can claim the standard is and when that standard is implemented and doesn't work they can claim it's the fault of the 3rd party. Regards from Tom :) From: Carl Paulsen carlpaul...@comcast.net To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 1:50 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ? Here, here. But what about gov'ts mandating simply that the format structure be open (without mandating a specific one be used)? That's not political IMHO. Carl On 11/19/12 3:15 PM, M Henri Day wrote: 2012/11/19 VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is my government dictating to me what kind of file format to use on my documents. Virgil At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is a multi-national corporation, responsible to no one save a few major shareholders and/or top executives, which, due to its domination of the market, can effectively render it manditory for me to use its proprietary file format Regulation of markets, so that they remain as free and accessible as possible, is one of the principle tasks of government Henri -- Carl Paulsen 8 Hamilton Street Dover, NH 03820 (603) 749-2310 -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
Hi :) Hmmm, i thought that machines without Windows cost more because of some weird marketing deal with OEMs Regards from Tom :) From: Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com To: VA cuyfa...@hotmail.com Cc: LibreOffice users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 1:40 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ? I get a discount for purchasing without windows. I say I want that machine, no windows, take it off the price, and save myself some dollars. Steve On 2012-11-20 13:57, VA wrote: I'm not defending Microsoft; I don't particularly like them. I'm just saying that if I don't want to buy MS, I don't have to, and neither does anyone else. Of course, you can buy a Mac and not have Windows. However, I never count Windows as a purchase because it comes installed on the computer. I don't pay any extra for it, and I have NEVER purchased any Windows upgrade. After buying a Windows computer, if I wanted, I could completely blow off the Windows, reformat the hard drive and install Linux. I'm sure many people have done just that. I have a dual-boot Windows/Linux system on my laptop. While my employer has purchased MS Office, I have never done so for my home computers. In other words, no matter what tactics MS uses, legal or not, as the customer, I always control where I spend my money. MS cannot dominate my computer without my permission or the software market without our collective permission. Virgil -Original Message- From: James Knott Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 7:04 PM To: LibreOffice Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ? VA wrote: Nobody is forced to purchase MS products. Try and buy a computer without Windows. While there are some available, they're rare. Also, read up on the MS anti trust cases to see how they forced market share with illegal and near illegal methods, including extortion. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Adding .pdf Images to Document
Hi :) Eps?? Are you sure? I seem to have trouble with my Epses but that is probably either my fault or some weirdness of the program producing the Eps (i think Adobe Creative something, an expensive product that tries to force other people into buying it.) So, is there somewhere i can test an Eps to see how well it conforms to what it should be? Regards from Tom :) From: Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com To: Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 1:38 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Adding .pdf Images to Document Hi. PDF is not listed as a type of image to insert in my LO 3.5. EPS is if you can convert the PDF's. Steve On 2012-11-20 13:45, Rich Shepard wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Insert - Picture - From file Hope this helps. Girvin, That's what I kept trying but it would not open a file dialog box and would not accept the file name in the text entry widget on the picture tab. Rich -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
On 19/11/2012 at 14:34, Carl Paulsen carlpaul...@comcast.net wrote: So is there a simple list of SPECIFIC ways users can contribute (templates is a good example) that is easily found? Not sure if this is specific enough, but take a look here: http://standardsandfreedom.net/index.php/2012/11/16/sgauti-digest/ There are also some articles on Sophie's blog that are not listed there. You can find them here: http://sophiegautier.com/blog/index.php/ -- Best regards Mirosław Zalewski -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
Hi :) I think it's better if they make suggests rather than being dictatorial otherwise people make a determined stand to go another way. Prohibition didn't work in the US and other countries have tried to suppress this or that which has continued anyway despite a government outlawing it or even grown in popularity once it becomes naughty. Regards from Tom :) From: Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Monday, 19 November 2012, 21:09 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ? On 11/19/2012 02:24 PM, VA wrote: At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is my government dictating to me what kind of file format to use on my documents. Virgil The issue is not truly political if the agreed standards are used by all - it levels the playing field and tends to lower costs for consumers. -Original Message- From: Jay Lozier Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:16 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ? On 11/19/2012 01:13 PM, Steven Bradley wrote: I remember this discussion a few years back, when MSO was the defacto standard, and a moving target. One of the most important things for any agency, company government, or individual is backward compatibility. I have many documents that are difficult for me to retrieve, and I wrote them less than 20 years ago, using DOS programs. I can only imagine what things will be like in 30 years for those old files. I believe it's of paramount importance, even in this age of rapid development and change, to realize that electronic storage of documents is the wave of the future. They must all be stored in a simple-to-access format that any program can read, not just the latest flavor of the big boy. I am actually fairly concerned about this, since the concept of proprietary file types has never been addressed by any government agency (it would be easy, for example, for the USGovt to mandate that all files be maintained with the formatting in a separate file. If a large govt (China, the US, EU) mandated that simple change, then all files would cease to be proprietary, except for formatting changes. One might lose the formats, but the file itself would have a permanence that most files do not now have. I might also suggest that the file formatting be subject to some sort of regulation (yes, they CAN do that!), which makes all formatting retrievable, no matter how long it's been since the file was created. Otherwise, we'll all lose a huge amount of information. That's my opinion. YMMV Steve Bradley Add to file formats, ability to read the old media (floppies, zip-disks, etc). Back to your point, it will probably take government action to force the use of ODF or similar standard formats over any proprietary formats. I am waiting for the MSO version that drops support for doc and related formats. snip -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] How to edit MS doc(x) files without breaking it for MS?
On 11/20/2012 10:21 AM, M Henri Day wrote: 2012/11/19 Paolo Debortoli paolo_debort...@yahoo.com hi all. i had the same problem receving via email from an office .docx files. when I try to import the file in libreoffice it crashes and does not allow to import in any way. the solution I found is to open such file with gwoffice (google office app, you need a google account connected to use it) and save it in odt format always via gwoffice (then it is exactly in lo format). I think that opening such files shouldn't be very difficult (I am not a programmer at all). paolo I must say I find this odd, as I've not experienced similar problems in Writer. To test, I booted from my usual Ubuntu 12.04 into Windows 7 and created two .docx documents in MS Office Word 2010 (Swedish version), one the first strophe of a Swedish poem, the other a line from Thomas Paine's *Common Sense*. I had no problem opening either one in LibreOffice (Swedish Version 3.6.3.2 (Build ID: 58f22d5)) ; to test further I sent the latter as an attachment to a Gmail message to a friend in India who has an English-language version of LibreOffice (3.5.4.2 Build ID: 350m1(Build:2)). He also had no trouble in opening and reading the attachment. Both these two documents were, of course, extremely simple, no embedded hyperlinks or tables, etc, but for documents of this nature I am unable to reproduce any difficulties in opening .docx files in recent versions of LibreOffice. From what I understand, however, things can become more complicated when links or tables are embedded in documents or when other LibreOffice functions, like Calc or Impress are used Henri I has a lady send me a .docx file of a poster that was very complex. It would have been easier for it to have been created with Publisher, CorelDraw, Inkscsape, or other non-wordprocessor, but she used Word and .docx. It did not load up properly with 3.5.4 or was it 3.5.5. I told her that the poster should have been sent as a PDF and then she agreed, and resent it out to everyone as a PDF file. That is when I saw how complex it was. I would not have tried anything like that in any wordprocessorlet alone saved it in .docx. Now that MSO 2013's .docx format will not be completely compatible with the 2010 or 2007 versions of that format, FOSS users will have as much problems as users of earlier version of MSO. Also, I have read that if you want to get all of the package to work correctly, you have to use MSO2013 with Win8. It was designed to work with Win8 and seems not to work completelywith Win7. I also read somewhere that you should not even try to use it on Vista or XP, since the testers had big problems trying to install the 2013 beta on those earilier OSs. I really think MSO changes the specifications for the OOXML formats so you are required to upgrade to the newest version of MSO to get the format to work properly. Forced upgrading as a way to getmore money from their users is as bad as their new forced software rental policies/penalties on the users. Oh well, I do digress. So, the best solution is to try to get users to use the non-OOXML formats so any version of MSO 2000-2013 can use the files properly. Then there will be no problems with and FOSS office package users as well. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
Hi :) If it's for myself i do very little to the Windows side except perhaps install Firefox and LibreOffice. I just don't use Windows if i can possibly avoid it. However if it's for a colleague or friend that's when i do loads to make it more usable. Regards from Tom :) From: Don C. Myers donmy...@myersfarm.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 17:02 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ? On 11/20/2012 06:15 AM, James Knott wrote: Don Myers wrote: I have never purchased a copy of Windows either. I only get it when it comes on a computer. Microsoft charges computer companies less than what the public pays, but the last time I heard anything it was something like $50 per computer that the computer companies pay Microsoft for Windows. So we both do pay for it with new computer. And lets not forget the time bombed versions of Office that's included with many new computers. People start using it, and then, after a while, find they can't work with their own documents unless they pay for Office. The first thing I do when I get a computer is to install Ubuntu as a dual boot system. The next thing I do in Windows is to delete the trial version of MS Office. -- ** -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
Hi :) Errr, but i always avoid removing a Windows even if i think i'll never use it or need it. Apparently with Win8 it's going to be even more important to keep the OS that is installed by the shop if you want to be able to return the machine for them to fix hardware issues. At least if it's on the machine you can set Grub to hide itself and boot straight into Windows. Regards from Tom :) From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk To: Don C. Myers donmy...@myersfarm.com; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 18:19 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ? Hi :) If it's for myself i do very little to the Windows side except perhaps install Firefox and LibreOffice. I just don't use Windows if i can possibly avoid it. However if it's for a colleague or friend that's when i do loads to make it more usable. Regards from Tom :) From: Don C. Myers donmy...@myersfarm.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 17:02 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ? On 11/20/2012 06:15 AM, James Knott wrote: Don Myers wrote: I have never purchased a copy of Windows either. I only get it when it comes on a computer. Microsoft charges computer companies less than what the public pays, but the last time I heard anything it was something like $50 per computer that the computer companies pay Microsoft for Windows. So we both do pay for it with new computer. And lets not forget the time bombed versions of Office that's included with many new computers. People start using it, and then, after a while, find they can't work with their own documents unless they pay for Office. The first thing I do when I get a computer is to install Ubuntu as a dual boot system. The next thing I do in Windows is to delete the trial version of MS Office. -- ** -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Improper English hyphenation
I rarely use any hyphenations. I do know that you must go to ToolsOptionsLanguage Settingswriting Aids and go to the options box and check the hyphen options, that I find at the bottom of the list there. The Available language modules show that my setup has Libhyphen Hyphenator listed and checked. The only real time I would think about using hyphens would be when I to a fully-justified text option. I do not use that much and I have not used the the hyphen option in a fully-justified text since the last versions of the 3.4.x line [I think]. On 11/20/2012 12:17 PM, anne-ology wrote: Are you referring to the characters?; if so, you can add the hyphen wherever by clicking on that in the menu -- choosing the character you desire; if not, then I haven't a clue as to what you're doing - I'm quite curious though. On Sat, Nov 17, 2012 at 5:31 PM, J. Randal Matheny ran...@fastmail.fmwrote: I've used OOo forever, and then jumped to LO, with Brazilian Portuguese and English dictionaries/hyphenation. Recently the English hyphenation has switched, apparently, to Portuguese. I've changed everything to English I can think of, have downloaded and installed the English dictionary etc., done all I know to do. Now I'm at a loss. Any ideas? I'm not so much of a newby, have even edited and published a book in OOo, doing cover and all. Thanks! -- J. Randal Matheny -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Adding .pdf Images to Document
I use a lot of EPSs in my documents. These are usually the first to drop out with the lost image problem (resolved by turning auto save off). I have linux and mac, so not sure if EPS compatibility is reduced on win. I have a feeling on windows the thumbnail image in many EPSs is used instead of the actual EPS vector data producing poor looking results. LO wasn't producing PDFs well with EPSs (doing the same as win) so I print to PS and use PS2PDF. steve On 2012-11-21 06:34, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Eps?? Are you sure? I seem to have trouble with my Epses but that is probably either my fault or some weirdness of the program producing the Eps (i think Adobe Creative something, an expensive product that tries to force other people into buying it.) So, is there somewhere i can test an Eps to see how well it conforms to what it should be? Regards from Tom :) *From:* Steve Edmonds steve.edmo...@ptglobal.com *To:* Rich Shepard rshep...@appl-ecosys.com *Cc:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 1:38 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Adding .pdf Images to Document Hi. PDF is not listed as a type of image to insert in my LO 3.5. EPS is if you can convert the PDF's. Steve On 2012-11-20 13:45, Rich Shepard wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Insert - Picture - From file Hope this helps. Girvin, That's what I kept trying but it would not open a file dialog box and would not accept the file name in the text entry widget on the picture tab. Rich -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
On 11/20/2012 12:53 PM, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) I think it's better if they make suggests rather than being dictatorial otherwise people make a determined stand to go another way. Prohibition didn't work in the US and other countries have tried to suppress this or that which has continued anyway despite a government outlawing it or even grown in popularity once it becomes naughty. Regards from Tom :) I think the best method is use of open, standard formats for all documents issued by the governments and the requirement that vendors can only submit documents using the same open, standard formats. The proprietary formats are a legacy of the 80's. The real problem with proprietary formats is that the owners' eventually stop supporting them, leave the market, or go out of business. Then users have orphaned documents that are very difficult or impossible to read. Compare books from say 1850 to computer formats from 1990. The book is still functional today and accessible to anyone while many computer formats from 1990 are inaccessible. Anyone who used computers since the mid 80's has run into the data format problem - old unreadable files compounded with storage on obsolete media (5.25 inch floppies, etc.). I picked 1850 to highlight that data formats need long term storage and retrieval into the future not just tomorrow or next week. *From:* Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com *To:* users@global.libreoffice.org *Sent:* Monday, 19 November 2012, 21:09 *Subject:* Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ? On 11/19/2012 02:24 PM, VA wrote: At the risk of getting political, the last thing I want is my government dictating to me what kind of file format to use on my documents. Virgil The issue is not truly political if the agreed standards are used by all - it levels the playing field and tends to lower costs for consumers. -Original Message- From: Jay Lozier Sent: Monday, November 19, 2012 2:16 PM To: users@global.libreoffice.org mailto:users@global.libreoffice.org Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ? On 11/19/2012 01:13 PM, Steven Bradley wrote: I remember this discussion a few years back, when MSO was the defacto standard, and a moving target. One of the most important things for any agency, company government, or individual is backward compatibility. I have many documents that are difficult for me to retrieve, and I wrote them less than 20 years ago, using DOS programs. I can only imagine what things will be like in 30 years for those old files. I believe it's of paramount importance, even in this age of rapid development and change, to realize that electronic storage of documents is the wave of the future. They must all be stored in a simple-to-access format that any program can read, not just the latest flavor of the big boy. I am actually fairly concerned about this, since the concept of proprietary file types has never been addressed by any government agency (it would be easy, for example, for the USGovt to mandate that all files be maintained with the formatting in a separate file. If a large govt (China, the US, EU) mandated that simple change, then all files would cease to be proprietary, except for formatting changes. One might lose the formats, but the file itself would have a permanence that most files do not now have. I might also suggest that the file formatting be subject to some sort of regulation (yes, they CAN do that!), which makes all formatting retrievable, no matter how long it's been since the file was created. Otherwise, we'll all lose a huge amount of information. That's my opinion. YMMV Steve Bradley Add to file formats, ability to read the old media (floppies, zip-disks, etc). Back to your point, it will probably take government action to force the use of ODF or similar standard formats over any proprietary formats. I am waiting for the MSO version that drops support for doc and related formats. snip -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com mailto:jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org mailto:h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
Hi, in my office as a medical pracitioner, I probably had the same situation but sized down as Freiburg is having while switching to OO/LO. Yes, I had a lot of work invested into forms, autotexts, dictionary and many makros (Fachanwendungen) to be used with Word2000 and Access2.0+Works. Yes, it took some time to transcribe the macros into LO Basic slang. But when I exchanged Word for OO/LO on my assistants desk, I doubt they even noticed it (beside some bugs in the makros in the first few weeks). However, I am admin and CEO and hotline in a single person. Today, I just quickly added a basic sub callable by a keystroke to ease their life. And no, we have no problems with formats. Old .doc files are easily readable (except embedded makros), medical reports are sent by Fax. I dont know what will happen, when we will be forced to put digital reports into the cloud. And no, I never want to switch back to MSO W.K. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
In reality, probably all I am getting is an added discount for requesting a PC without windows and no license. The PC in all probability is made no different. Gennerally I can get close to the retail value of win off the price. Steve On 2012-11-21 07:22, Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Errr, but i always avoid removing a Windows even if i think i'll never use it or need it. Apparently with Win8 it's going to be even more important to keep the OS that is installed by the shop if you want to be able to return the machine for them to fix hardware issues. At least if it's on the machine you can set Grub to hide itself and boot straight into Windows. Regards from Tom :) From: Tom Davies tomdavie...@yahoo.co.uk To: Don C. Myers donmy...@myersfarm.com; users@global.libreoffice.org users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 18:19 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ? Hi :) If it's for myself i do very little to the Windows side except perhaps install Firefox and LibreOffice. I just don't use Windows if i can possibly avoid it. However if it's for a colleague or friend that's when i do loads to make it more usable. Regards from Tom :) From: Don C. Myers donmy...@myersfarm.com To: users@global.libreoffice.org Sent: Tuesday, 20 November 2012, 17:02 Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ? On 11/20/2012 06:15 AM, James Knott wrote: Don Myers wrote: I have never purchased a copy of Windows either. I only get it when it comes on a computer. Microsoft charges computer companies less than what the public pays, but the last time I heard anything it was something like $50 per computer that the computer companies pay Microsoft for Windows. So we both do pay for it with new computer. And lets not forget the time bombed versions of Office that's included with many new computers. People start using it, and then, after a while, find they can't work with their own documents unless they pay for Office. The first thing I do when I get a computer is to install Ubuntu as a dual boot system. The next thing I do in Windows is to delete the trial version of MS Office. -- ** -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Adding .pdf Images to Document
Tom Davies wrote: Hi :) Eps?? Are you sure? I seem to have trouble with my Epses but that is probably either my fault or some weirdness of the program producing the Eps (i think Adobe Creative something, an expensive product that tries to force other people into buying it.) So, is there somewhere i can test an Eps to see how well it conforms to what it should be? Regards from Tom :) Tom et. al., Beware of inserting EPS images into a document! I was composing a document with many images that I scanned in and used EPS because the resulting files were smaller than Jpeg or PNG. As I was inserting the EPS images, scrolling through these images got slower and slower. It finally got unbearable and I was still not finished inserting images. It seemed like the LO EPS renderer was inefficient or the file format was inefficient and took a lot of system resources to render the images. I tried increasing the LO graphics RAM allocation, but that did not help. I finally switched to Jpeg versions and as I replaced the EPS images with the Jpeg equivalents, scrolling through the document got faster and faster. Girvin Herr -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] How to edit MS doc(x) files without breaking it for MS?
On 11/20/2012 01:17 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: On 11/20/2012 10:21 AM, M Henri Day wrote: 2012/11/19 Paolo Debortoli paolo_debort...@yahoo.com hi all. i had the same problem receving via email from an office .docx files. when I try to import the file in libreoffice it crashes and does not allow to import in any way. the solution I found is to open such file with gwoffice (google office app, you need a google account connected to use it) and save it in odt format always via gwoffice (then it is exactly in lo format). I think that opening such files shouldn't be very difficult (I am not a programmer at all). paolo I must say I find this odd, as I've not experienced similar problems in Writer. To test, I booted from my usual Ubuntu 12.04 into Windows 7 and created two .docx documents in MS Office Word 2010 (Swedish version), one the first strophe of a Swedish poem, the other a line from Thomas Paine's *Common Sense*. I had no problem opening either one in LibreOffice (Swedish Version 3.6.3.2 (Build ID: 58f22d5)) ; to test further I sent the latter as an attachment to a Gmail message to a friend in India who has an English-language version of LibreOffice (3.5.4.2 Build ID: 350m1(Build:2)). He also had no trouble in opening and reading the attachment. Both these two documents were, of course, extremely simple, no embedded hyperlinks or tables, etc, but for documents of this nature I am unable to reproduce any difficulties in opening .docx files in recent versions of LibreOffice. From what I understand, however, things can become more complicated when links or tables are embedded in documents or when other LibreOffice functions, like Calc or Impress are used Henri I has a lady send me a .docx file of a poster that was very complex. It would have been easier for it to have been created with Publisher, CorelDraw, Inkscsape, or other non-wordprocessor, but she used Word and .docx. It did not load up properly with 3.5.4 or was it 3.5.5. I told her that the poster should have been sent as a PDF and then she agreed, and resent it out to everyone as a PDF file. That is when I saw how complex it was. I would not have tried anything like that in any wordprocessorlet alone saved it in .docx. Now that MSO 2013's .docx format will not be completely compatible with the 2010 or 2007 versions of that format, FOSS users will have as much problems as users of earlier version of MSO. Also, I have read that if you want to get all of the package to work correctly, you have to use MSO2013 with Win8. It was designed to work with Win8 and seems not to work completelywith Win7. I also read somewhere that you should not even try to use it on Vista or XP, since the testers had big problems trying to install the 2013 beta on those earilier OSs. I really think MSO changes the specifications for the OOXML formats so you are required to upgrade to the newest version of MSO to get the format to work properly. Forced upgrading as a way to getmore money from their users is as bad as their new forced software rental policies/penalties on the users. Oh well, I do digress. So, the best solution is to try to get users to use the non-OOXML formats so any version of MSO 2000-2013 can use the files properly. Then there will be no problems with and FOSS office package users as well. I agree totally. Any Word Perfect document ever created can be read by the latest Word Perfect Version. The European Commission for Interoperable Systems published a report in 2009 about Microsoft. A link to the report can be found here: http://www.ecis.eu/2009/03/microsofts-history-of-anticompetitive-behaviour-and-consumer-harm/ For the full report, click on the click here text at the end of the paragraph. Don -- ** -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
On 11/20/2012 01:33 PM, Walther Koehler wrote: Hi, in my office as a medical pracitioner, I probably had the same situation but sized down as Freiburg is having while switching to OO/LO. Yes, I had a lot of work invested into forms, autotexts, dictionary and many makros (Fachanwendungen) to be used with Word2000 and Access2.0+Works. Yes, it took some time to transcribe the macros into LO Basic slang. But when I exchanged Word for OO/LO on my assistants desk, I doubt they even noticed it (beside some bugs in the makros in the first few weeks). However, I am admin and CEO and hotline in a single person. Today, I just quickly added a basic sub callable by a keystroke to ease their life. And no, we have no problems with formats. Old .doc files are easily readable (except embedded makros), medical reports are sent by Fax. I dont know what will happen, when we will be forced to put digital reports into the cloud. And no, I never want to switch back to MSO W.K. I think you mentioned the real problems with transitioning either direction - macros, forms, templates, etc that need to be converted for the end users. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] How to edit MS doc(x) files without breaking it for MS?
2012/11/20 Don C. Myers donmy...@myersfarm.com On 11/20/2012 01:17 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote: On 11/20/2012 10:21 AM, M Henri Day wrote: 2012/11/19 Paolo Debortoli paolo_debort...@yahoo.com hi all. i had the same problem receving via email from an office .docx files. when I try to import the file in libreoffice it crashes and does not allow to import in any way. the solution I found is to open such file with gwoffice (google office app, you need a google account connected to use it) and save it in odt format always via gwoffice (then it is exactly in lo format). I think that opening such files shouldn't be very difficult (I am not a programmer at all). paolo I must say I find this odd, as I've not experienced similar problems in Writer. To test, I booted from my usual Ubuntu 12.04 into Windows 7 and created two .docx documents in MS Office Word 2010 (Swedish version), one the first strophe of a Swedish poem, the other a line from Thomas Paine's *Common Sense*. I had no problem opening either one in LibreOffice (Swedish Version 3.6.3.2 (Build ID: 58f22d5)) ; to test further I sent the latter as an attachment to a Gmail message to a friend in India who has an English-language version of LibreOffice (3.5.4.2 Build ID: 350m1(Build:2)). He also had no trouble in opening and reading the attachment. Both these two documents were, of course, extremely simple, no embedded hyperlinks or tables, etc, but for documents of this nature I am unable to reproduce any difficulties in opening .docx files in recent versions of LibreOffice. From what I understand, however, things can become more complicated when links or tables are embedded in documents or when other LibreOffice functions, like Calc or Impress are used Henri I has a lady send me a .docx file of a poster that was very complex. It would have been easier for it to have been created with Publisher, CorelDraw, Inkscsape, or other non-wordprocessor, but she used Word and .docx. It did not load up properly with 3.5.4 or was it 3.5.5. I told her that the poster should have been sent as a PDF and then she agreed, and resent it out to everyone as a PDF file. That is when I saw how complex it was. I would not have tried anything like that in any wordprocessorlet alone saved it in .docx. Now that MSO 2013's .docx format will not be completely compatible with the 2010 or 2007 versions of that format, FOSS users will have as much problems as users of earlier version of MSO. Also, I have read that if you want to get all of the package to work correctly, you have to use MSO2013 with Win8. It was designed to work with Win8 and seems not to work completelywith Win7. I also read somewhere that you should not even try to use it on Vista or XP, since the testers had big problems trying to install the 2013 beta on those earilier OSs. I really think MSO changes the specifications for the OOXML formats so you are required to upgrade to the newest version of MSO to get the format to work properly. Forced upgrading as a way to getmore money from their users is as bad as their new forced software rental policies/penalties on the users. Oh well, I do digress. So, the best solution is to try to get users to use the non-OOXML formats so any version of MSO 2000-2013 can use the files properly. Then there will be no problems with and FOSS office package users as well. I agree totally. Any Word Perfect document ever created can be read by the latest Word Perfect Version. The European Commission for Interoperable Systems published a report in 2009 about Microsoft. A link to the report can be found here: http://www.ecis.eu/2009/03/**microsofts-history-of-** anticompetitive-behaviour-and-**consumer-harm/http://www.ecis.eu/2009/03/microsofts-history-of-anticompetitive-behaviour-and-consumer-harm/ For the full report, click on the click here text at the end of the paragraph. Don The problem is that since «Steelie Neelie» (Neelie Kroes) has gone on to another portfolio, the European Commission's interest in dealing with anti-competitive behaviour seems to have declined drastically (MS may, however, still be faced with heavy fines for, after releasing Win7 SP1, «inadvertently» omitting to display the browser choice window which constituted part of its previous settlement with the Comptition Authority ; that was probably a bridge too far). It would be wonderful, for example, if the Commision were to mandate that any public documents in the Union would have to be couched in the latest current odt format so that they could be read by any standards-compatible editing programme, but I deem that extremely unlikely. We'd probably be bombed Henri -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive:
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Adding .pdf Images to Document
NoOp wrote: On 11/20/2012 06:08 AM, Rich Shepard wrote: On Mon, 19 Nov 2012, Girvin R. Herr wrote: Okay, I was incorrect. I thought I did open a PDF in Writer. But it must have been Draw, not Writer. Sorry. I just did some work on this problem and discovered a way to do it. Here is what I did: In Writer, Insert - Object - OLE Object - In the dialog that comes up, Click on Create from file at the top. In the dialog that comes up, Click on Select... to bring up the file browser. Select the PDF file you want to insert. Click on Open. Click on OK. Girvin, Thank you. I think that converting .pdf to .eps will be quicker so I'll try that first. ... Just be aware of some EPS issue in LO (and AOO): 1. EPS images in LO will only show the 'image preview'. The thread from this list is worth a read: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/msg02032.html 2. You will most likely experience serious scrolling issues in a document with a large EPS. A simple example of this is: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=37837 Download and try the attachment: https://bugs.freedesktop.org/attachment.cgi?id=47445 and you'll see what I mean. Open the TOP in a terminal set to remain on top. Open the attachment .odt and try to scroll to the bottom of page 2 (where the EPS is embedded). You'll see a significant delay if you watch TOP, you'll see that soffice first calls up gs (Ghost Script) then convert (ImageMagick), and then finally will display the image preview. You can imagine what viewing the document will be like with multiple EPS images... NoOp, I'll second that! That was exactly my experience with many EPS images in a Writer document I was working on. I had anecdotal evidence, but you state factual evidence (the links). Thanks. Girvin Herr -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Word 2003 to Libre Writer - Comparison Chart
Charles, Where do you want the answers to be sent to? On 2012-11-21 05:11, charles meyer wrote: Right now, I'd appreciate it if anyone can please share how to do the following in Writer? 1. Suppress header on the first page of a text document 2. Keep a dotted line across a page without it automatically becoming a solid line 3. Change line spacing - context menu - where’s that? 4. Suppressing hyperlinks 5. Indents - where and how to change 6. Turn on/off Fast Save - so document doesn't leave personal info in a document 7. Turn on/off the Track Changes tool 8. Strike-through a word or sentence - context menu again? 9. Eliminating hard returns 10. Print file list of file names in a sub-directory -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] How to edit MS doc(x) files without breaking it for MS?
On 2012-11-21 04:18, M Henri Day wrote: It would be wonderful, for example, if the Commision were to mandate that any public documents in the Union would have to be couched in the latest current odt format so that they could be read by any standards-compatible editing programme, but I deem that extremely unlikely. We'd probably be bombed Henri I feel that there is a chance to approach the EU but we need to have a bit less bugs to be successful. Can LibO join forces with AOO and Virgil mentioned a few days back? -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: OpenOffice to be dumped in Freiburg ?
On 2012-11-21 01:04, Jay Lozier wrote: Truthfully the market has matured enough for office suites that improvements are incremental not fundamentalThe market growth for MS is much slower because for many there is no major reason to upgrade for many unless forced to by lack of support of either the file format or the software itself. -- Jay Lozier I think Jay expressed it very well. New features do hardly increase productivity. Quite in contrary, the new ribbon cause a tremendous slow down in productivity for several months and requires corporations to spend a lot of time and money to train people. Additionally MS will change to subscription of SW. Both aspects together is a chance for LibO and AOO. I am looking forward to the announcement that both teams tie up, slow down the development of new features and substantially reduce the bugs. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Adding .pdf Images to Document
On 11/20/2012 03:17 PM, Girvin R. Herr wrote: NoOp wrote: ... You can imagine what viewing the document will be like with multiple EPS images... NoOp, I'll second that! That was exactly my experience with many EPS images in a Writer document I was working on. I had anecdotal evidence, but you state factual evidence (the links). Thanks. Girvin Herr I'll have to check on a Windows version to see if the same applies. I think that it might just be a linux issue as linux uses gs + convert. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] [Ten questions]
At 15:11 20/11/2012 -0500, Charles Meyer wrote: Right now, I'd appreciate it if anyone can please share how to do the following in Writer? 1. Suppress header on the first page of a text document Use different page styles for the first and subsequent pages. Set the header only for the subsequent pages (or use an empty header on the first page). Either insert a manual page break after the first page or set the subsequent page style as the next style for the first page style. The existing First Page and Default page styles will do this for you automatically. 2. Keep a dotted line across a page without it automatically becoming a solid line Either disable the facility at Tools | AutoCorrect Options... | Options | Apply Border or - more easily - just use Edit | Undo (or Ctrl+Z) immediately the unwanted correction occurs. 3. Change line spacing - context menu - where's that? Paragraph... | Indents Spacing | Line spacing or Edit Paragraph Style... | Indents Spacing | Line spacing, as appropriate. 4. Suppressing hyperlinks Disable at Tools | AutoCorrect Options... | Options | URL Recognition or use Edit | Undo (or Ctrl+Z) as above. Or right-click | Remove Hyperlink. 5. Indents - where and how to change Paragraph... | Indents Spacing | Indent or Edit Paragraph Style... | Indents Spacing | Indent. 6. Turn on/off Fast Save - so document doesn't leave personal info in a document See Tools | Options... | Load/Save | General and File | Properties... | General. 7. Turn on/off the Track Changes tool Edit | Changes | Record. 8. Strike-through a word or sentence - context menu again? Character... | Font Effects | Strikethrough or Edit Paragraph Style... | Font Effects | Strikethrough. 9. Eliminating hard returns Depends on exactly what you want to do. Use $ in regular expressions in Find Replace. 10. Print file list of file names in a sub-directory Ask your operating system. 11. (The question you didn't ask) Where do I find the answers to these questions? Download the Writer Guide or study the embedded help system. Or both. I trust this helps. Brian Barker -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Calc bug - when sheet is deleted, named ranges are un-defined
I've found a bug in LibreOffice Calc. If I have named ranges in a sheet (let's call it Sheet 7), and I delete a sheet to the left of that sheet (let's call it Sheet 6), some (not all) of the named ranges in Sheet 7 disappear. The data is still there on the sheet, but the name of the range is gone. If you look at Insert Names Manage... , some of the named ranges that had been defined on Sheet 7 are simply not there anymore. Is this a known bug? Is there a workaround that doesn't involve either re-naming ranges or never deleting any sheets? -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Calc-bug-when-sheet-is-deleted-named-ranges-are-un-defined-tp4019919.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
Re: [libreoffice-users] Calc bug - when sheet is deleted, named ranges are un-defined
On 11/21/2012 12:43 AM, bblackmoor wrote: I've found a bug in LibreOffice Calc. If I have named ranges in a sheet (let's call it Sheet 7), and I delete a sheet to the left of that sheet (let's call it Sheet 6), some (not all) of the named ranges in Sheet 7 disappear. The data is still there on the sheet, but the name of the range is gone. If you look at Insert Names Manage... , some of the named ranges that had been defined on Sheet 7 are simply not there anymore. Is this a known bug? Is there a workaround that doesn't involve either re-naming ranges or never deleting any sheets? Which version of LO are using and what OS are using? The problem may be specific to an LO version. -- Jay Lozier jsloz...@gmail.com -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
[libreoffice-users] Re: Calc bug - when sheet is deleted, named ranges are un-defined
On Wed, Nov 21, 2012, at 1:08, Jay Lozier [via Document Foundation Mail Archive] wrote: On 11/21/2012 12:43 AM, bblackmoor wrote: I've found a bug in LibreOffice Calc. If I have named ranges in a sheet (let's call it Sheet 7), and I delete a sheet to the left of that sheet (let's call it Sheet 6), some (not all) of the named ranges in Sheet 7 disappear. The data is still there on the sheet, but the name of the range is gone. If you look at Insert Names Manage... , some of the named ranges that had been defined on Sheet 7 are simply not there anymore. Is this a known bug? Is there a workaround that doesn't involve either re-naming ranges or never deleting any sheets? Which version of LO are using and what OS are using? LibreOffice Version 3.6.3.2 (Build ID: 58f22d5) Windows 7, Service Pack 1 -- Kind regards, Brandon Blackmoor bblackm...@blackgate.net 2012-11-21 -- View this message in context: http://nabble.documentfoundation.org/Calc-bug-when-sheet-is-deleted-named-ranges-are-un-defined-tp4019919p4019922.html Sent from the Users mailing list archive at Nabble.com. -- For unsubscribe instructions e-mail to: users+h...@global.libreoffice.org Problems? http://www.libreoffice.org/get-help/mailing-lists/how-to-unsubscribe/ Posting guidelines + more: http://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Netiquette List archive: http://listarchives.libreoffice.org/global/users/ All messages sent to this list will be publicly archived and cannot be deleted
