Re: [libreoffice-users] irritating problem 4.0

[Jean-Francois Nifenecker]

Le 13/02/2013 08:44, Jean-Francois Nifenecker a écrit :


Have look at those paragraphs that inappropriately go to the index and
check their outline level. I guess this level is set to some value other
than Text body.



This might be caused by the previous paragraph style setting "Next 
style". Check that also.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] irritating problem 4.0

[Jean-Francois Nifenecker]

Hi,

Le 13/02/2013 07:16, Tim Lloyd a écrit :


Today, I updated the FAQ with some GIT information. So I created a
new heading1 for GIT with a heading2 underneath. And a few lines of
information along the way (in the format text body). When I updated
the index, all lines I had typed in were added to the index. Plus a
few from the page before and the page after. But not all pages!



Have look at those paragraphs that inappropriately go to the index and 
check their outline level. I guess this level is set to some value other 
than Text body.


In this case, using the Ctrl+M key combination (Format / Default) should 
set them back to the default Text body level value.


Apart from some manual setting, I can't see why this paragraph setting 
would have changed on its own.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request

[Brian Barker]

At 11:04 12/02/2013 -0800, John R. Sowden wrote:
For the 'recent documents' menu selection under 'file', it would be 
nice to: 1) allow us to set the number of recent documents, under 
tools/options.


I know this is not quite what you are asking for, but in the absence 
of exactly what you want, you may like to try customising the 
Standard toolbar to display the "Load URL" command.  (Click the 
down-arrow at the right of the toolbar and select Customize 
Toolbar... .)  This gives a much longer list of recent files.  Note 
that the customisation needs to be made separately for each 
LibreOffice component that you wish to display this, but the list 
itself is common to all of them.


At 15:01 12/02/2013 -0500, Tim Lungstrom wrote:
I remember seeing some packages that allow you to define the number 
of "recent documents" are kept in the queue.  I never seen the 
"permanent" one, ...


Earlier versions of (close your eyes if these are dirty words for 
you) Microsoft Word (at least) had a "Work" menu which allowed you to 
create your own list of frequently used documents - which would not 
evaporate until you wanted them to; later versions of Microsoft 
Office have dropped this idea but allow you to pin items already on 
the recent files menu so that they do not drop off.


Brian Barker


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[libreoffice-users] irritating problem 4.0

[Tim Lloyd]

Hi, created a FAQ for myself in Fedora 16 using LO3.6. When I upgraded to 
Fedora 18 I was also using 3.6. I really can't remember but I would say the 
version of LO came from the Fedora repository (it isn't installed by default in 
F18).

The FAQ is a very basic ODT file. I created an index at the front using the 
defaults provided so index is based on defaults - Heading1 is position 1, 
Heading2 is position 2 & Heading3 is position3, etc. Anyway, all good, the 
document grew as I grabbed more information. Mostly I just added lines to the 
end, in some cases I added a new heading which went into the index.

Yesterday I downloaded the latest LO version from the official site. removed 
3.6 and installed 4.0.

Today, I updated the FAQ with some GIT information. So I created a new heading1 
for GIT with a heading2 underneath. And a few lines of information along the 
way (in the format text body). When I updated the index, all lines I had typed 
in were added to the index. Plus a few from the page before and the page after. 
But not all pages!

So I reinstalled 3.6 and updated the index but the same problem persists.

I have read the writer guide often enough recently to have a pretty good idea 
how this works but I am stumped. Any thoughts on how to sort out the index?

Cheers

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 60710 - EDITING: Cannot save particular untitled document containing comments

[C. H. D.]

 
Someone else got the same issue:

http://ask.libreoffice.org/en/question/12015/cannot-save-file-error-in-writing-sub-document/


Perhaps, this issue is quite common. 


(Not being able to save the file could be very inconvenient.)

Regards,
C. H. D. 



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 寄件人︰ C. H. D. 
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傳送日期︰ 2013年02月13日 (週三) 11:27 AM
主題︰ Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 60710 - EDITING: Cannot save particular 
untitled document containing comments
 


Hi! I got it. To reproduce, see the video:

http://youtu.be/_XotQrTvGJM 


Add random comments. Delete one of them.

I reproduced this issue three times.


Regards,
C. H. D.

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寄件人︰ Joel Madero 
收件人︰ C. H. D.  
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主題︰ Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 60710 - EDITING: Cannot save particular 
untitled document containing comments

I reproduced it once and now for the life of me I can't.very strange.
Trying a few more times


Best Regards,
Joel


On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 8:14 PM, C. H. D. <
webofht-libreoffice...@yahoo.com.hk> wrote:

>
>
> Hello!
>
> In my use case, I cannot save a particular untitled document.
>
>
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60710
>
> I should be grateful if you have a look.
>
> The video is here:
> http://youtu.be/9ImnaTY65gA
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> C. H. D.
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 60710 - EDITING: Cannot save particular untitled document containing comments

[C. H. D.]

Hi! I got it. To reproduce, see the video:

http://youtu.be/_XotQrTvGJM 


Add random comments. Delete one of them.

I reproduced this issue three times.


Regards,
C. H. D.

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 寄件人︰ Joel Madero 
收件人︰ C. H. D.  
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傳送日期︰ 2013年02月12日 (週二) 11:55 PM
主題︰ Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 60710 - EDITING: Cannot save particular 
untitled document containing comments
 
I reproduced it once and now for the life of me I can't.very strange.
Trying a few more times


Best Regards,
Joel


On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 8:14 PM, C. H. D. <
webofht-libreoffice...@yahoo.com.hk> wrote:

>
>
> Hello!
>
> In my use case, I cannot save a particular untitled document.
>
>
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60710
>
> I should be grateful if you have a look.
>
> The video is here:
> http://youtu.be/9ImnaTY65gA
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> C. H. D.
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0: intrinsic database: relations only between primaries keys?

[Dan Lewis]

On 02/12/2013 12:03 PM, Uwe Brauer wrote:

"Dan" == Dan Lewis  writes:


>  Perhaps you need to learn more about primary keys, foreign keys,
> and the relationship that must exist between them. Another topic that
> would help is normalizing tables. Still another topic is constraints
> that must be applied to either type of keys. (This one really goes to
> the error message you got. (I make these suggestions because it is
> what I had to do to understand tables in a relational database.)
Yes of course, I desperately need to learn more.  But the issue is that
the GUI seems only to set and save relations between primaries keys. Did
you try it out via the GUI, what is your experience?

>  I am a little curious. Your email address implies you may live in
> Spain.

Yes, I do.

> Your name looks German to me. If you are German, then there is
> a Base Handbook written in German that you might be able to use.

Yes again, I am German.
> Tom might be able to tell you from where to download it on the
> LibreOffice wiki if that would help.
That would be extremely helpful. I googled around of course but mostly
found old material (2007/08).

>  As far as MySQL problems, I think I tried to modify fields in a
> table while using MySQL. They were not saved either.

Aha so there is a problem?!

Uwe
 At the time I thought there was a problem, but after writing about 
MySQL, I tried again. This time I was able to modify a field and later 
when editing that table,  I saw that the changes had been saved.
 If you saw this link: 
http://de.libreoffice.org/hilfe-kontakt/handbuecher/, this should 
explain what you need to know in a language that you better understand 
than English.


--Dan

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Re: Fwd: [libreoffice-users] Value and Date function in Macro

[Andrew Douglas Pitonyak]

Can you post your code here?

You may send me a copy of the document, but I have much on my plate at 
the moment.


On 02/11/2013 06:41 PM, Joel Madero wrote:

So I came out with a really micky mouse way that works but I don't like it.
I'm hoping one of you (or someone else or both of you) will help me with
the entire code so that I can clean it up. I'm not a programmer by
profession (no formal training) so I know the code has issues - but it
works!

Any way that we can take this off the thread and I'll send the template
your way?

I know this is asking a lot so no worries if not possible. I'm not asking
someone to do it for me, more like "tutor me when you have time" to get the
code up to snuff.


Thanks for everyone's help up to date, much help.


Best Regards,
Joel


On Sun, Feb 10, 2013 at 9:02 PM, Andrew Douglas Pitonyak <
and...@pitonyak.org> wrote:


On 02/10/2013 04:49 AM, Johnny Rosenberg wrote:


Oh no, I did it again! I sent yet another reply directly to the
original poster.


I feel your pain! :-)


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0: intrinsic database: relations only between primaries keys?

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Robert Großkopf on the Docs Team's amiling list gave me this link  
http://de.libreoffice.org/hilfe-kontakt/handbuecher/

Hope it helps!
Good luck and happy hunting ;)
Regards from
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>
> From: Uwe Brauer 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013, 17:03
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0: intrinsic database: relations only 
>between primaries keys?
> 
>>> "Dan" == Dan Lewis  writes:
>
>
>   >      Perhaps you need to learn more about primary keys, foreign keys,
>   > and the relationship that must exist between them. Another topic that
>   > would help is normalizing tables. Still another topic is constraints
>   > that must be applied to either type of keys. (This one really goes to
>   > the error message you got. (I make these suggestions because it is
>   > what I had to do to understand tables in a relational database.)
>Yes of course, I desperately need to learn more.  But the issue is that
>the GUI seems only to set and save relations between primaries keys. Did
>you try it out via the GUI, what is your experience?
>
>   >      I am a little curious. Your email address implies you may live in
>   > Spain. 
>
>Yes, I do.
>
>   > Your name looks German to me. If you are German, then there is
>   > a Base Handbook written in German that you might be able to use. 
>
>Yes again, I am German.
>   > Tom might be able to tell you from where to download it on the
>   > LibreOffice wiki if that would help.
>That would be extremely helpful. I googled around of course but mostly
>found old material (2007/08).
>
>   >      As far as MySQL problems, I think I tried to modify fields in a
>   > table while using MySQL. They were not saved either.
>
>Aha so there is a problem?!
>
>Uwe 
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] icons

[Malcolm Moore]

The tool bar icons. OpenSuse include about 4 ... I love LO
I just think the ones you get with openSuse are a bit dated


Ta


M

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Cc: users@global.libreoffice.org
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Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] icons

Which icons? The launcher icons or the toolbar icons?

I'm not on my opensuse machine now, but I think they package some of the
toolbar icon themes separately.

There are also launcher icons in some sets on sites like gnome-look, but as
I'm just finding then they don't seem to be applied once the app opens.
On Feb 12, 2013 9:19 PM, "Malcolm Moore"  wrote:

> Is there anywhere that does different icon sets .. sorry, but
> I think the ones that come with opensuse are a bit boring
>
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> Ta
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Re: [libreoffice-users] icons

[IBBoard]

Which icons? The launcher icons or the toolbar icons?

I'm not on my opensuse machine now, but I think they package some of the
toolbar icon themes separately.

There are also launcher icons in some sets on sites like gnome-look, but as
I'm just finding then they don't seem to be applied once the app opens.
On Feb 12, 2013 9:19 PM, "Malcolm Moore"  wrote:

> Is there anywhere that does different icon sets .. sorry, but
> I think the ones that come with opensuse are a bit boring
>
>
> Ta
>
>
> M
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Changing the LibreOffice icons (Linux)

[IBBoard]

The Linux icons can be a variety of sizes - Chromium supplies a 64x64 icon
in the xprop reported icon set (or possibly bigger) as well as the two
sizes that LibreOffice shows.

Does Libreoffice actually load its app icons from /usr/share/icons/hicolor?
I've tried replacing those icons with symlinks to my icons (an ugly bodge,
but potentially workable) and rebuilt the icon caches, but nothing seemed
to change so I assumed there was another source that they were read from or
that the icons were built in at compile-time.

Thanks.
On Feb 12, 2013 9:34 PM, "webmaster-Kracked_P_P" 
wrote:

> On 02/12/2013 03:29 PM, IBBoard wrote:
>
>> I don't know if this is the best place (I couldn't see a developer
>> mailing list outside the internal-focused ones) but here goes.
>>
>> I use LibreOffice on openSUSE Linux. I've got a custom icon set that
>> replaces the application icons for LibreOffice. This works fine for
>> launcher icons, but once the program is running (e.g. I'm editing a file
>> in LO Writer) then the "current app" icon and the Alt-Tab app switcher
>> use the original icons (upscaled horribly from about 24x24 to 64x64).
>>
>> As best as I can tell, Gnome is honouring the _NET_WM_ICON property of
>> the window, which does show the old style icons when you query it with
>> xprop.
>>
>> I'm not talking about the toolbar icons, which I know there are multiple
>> themes that I can select from, but the actual launcher icon, and the one
>> that Gnome Shell uses to show you which app is running.
>>
>> Is it possible to either a) get LibreOffice to use my theme's icons for
>> _NET_WM_ICON or b) replace some files pre-build, and if so, which ones?
>>
>> I've got an account that already has some repackaged software on the
>> openSUSE Build Service (OBS), so I'm not afraid of patching packages, if
>> that is the only option :)
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>>
>>  Maybe the solution is to include other icon sizes, like 24x24 and 64x64,
> or maybe larger ones, for those systems that might need or use them.
>  Small, medium, large, and extra-large, icons might work for those who are
> on systems where you can change the icon size. I think Win7 has only two
> icon sizes to choose from.  I do not remember seeing that option in my
> Ubuntu/MATE install, though.  It could be there and I never seen where the
> option resides.
>
> So, maybe there might be a need for icon sizes other than the two being
> used already.
>
> Debian install[s] show
> icon="/usr/share/icons/**hicolor/32x32/apps/**libreoffice4.0-writer.png"\
> icon16x16="/usr/share/icons/**hicolor/16x16/apps/**
> libreoffice4.0-writer.png"
>
> Could there be an "icon24x24" and "icon64x64" added to the
> desktop-integration system?
> How many systems would work with more than just the "default" two sizes?
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Fwd:

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Ooops.  A bit of accidental spam from Drew of all people.  I 
risked the link in Gnu&Linux and it's just a weight-loss thing from 
Foxx.  Probably best not to risk it in Windows jic but it seemed 
harmless
Regards from
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>
> From: Drew Jensen 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013, 20:56
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing the Deb

[Tanstaafl]

On 2013-02-12 2:52 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
 wrote:

On 02/12/2013 11:10 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:

On 2013-02-10 10:27 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:

I do not like all that typing.

What I do is use the default file manager and double click the archived
file and unarchive it.  Then I take the folder that is created and
rename it to Lib or LibO.  That way you do not need to type all of the
characters of the folder's name.


Never heard of 'tab-completion'?

Try hitting the tab key after typing one or two characters of the
folder name and see what happens...



Never heard of this.  Never know of the Tab completion in the Terminal.

Does it work with the Terminal that is in GNOME, MATE, Unity, KDE?  How
about the one that comes with openSUSE and other non-Ubuntu systems.  I
have been told that Debian and Ubuntu is "growing apart" so some distros
are showing both Ubuntu-based and Debian-based versions.


It works in virtually all *nix that I'm aware of, and DOS and Windows 
Command Prompt terminals, and has for as long long time...


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Command-line_completion

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request

[Tanstaafl]

On 2013-02-12 3:11 PM, John R. Sowden  wrote:

I will follow your advice, although I think that this process needs
review.  I feel that it is disrespectful to the people that are creating
this great program to say that since My Idea (emphasis added) is not
there, then it is a bug.


Hi John,

You must be new to the world of open source software. Virtually *all* 
open source software projects track Feature Requests in their bug 
trackers... usually you just flag it as an enhancement request, but it 
is still in the big tracker.


It is just a convenience thing, no disrespect intended...

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request

[Joel Madero]

I am one of the QA members and I assure you, no developer is offended that
a feature request is reported as a bug. It is our (QA) job to ensure that
they are categorized correctly after the request/bug is confirmed.

@Tom - thanks for the compliment :-D

Best Regards,
Joel


On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 12:30 PM, Tom Davies wrote:

> Hi :)
> The QA team and bug-triagers are pretty smart so they can sort it out for
> you (or others).  There are a lot of drop-downs on the page and it's a
> little tricky to find the right one but when you know where it is then you
> could help the bug-triagers by just doing that for a whole load of
> 'bug-reports' where the poster grumbles that they couldn't find the
> option.  There's all sorts of simple, dumb, easy things that can be quite a
> significant help and can help you learn your way in to doing more and more
> complex stuff.
> Regards from
> Tom :)
>
>
>
>
>
> >
> > From: John R. Sowden 
> >To: users@global.libreoffice.org
> >Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013, 20:11
> >Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request
> >
> >I will follow your advice, although I think that this process needs
> review.  I feel that it is disrespectful to the people that are creating
> this great program to say that since My Idea (emphasis added) is not there,
> then it is a bug.  Secondly, good improvements from actual users might not
> be suggested because of the above and the fact that it is not clear where
> to request them.
> >
> >John
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >On 02/12/2013 11:51 AM, Joel Madero wrote:
> >>
> >> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:50 AM, John R. Sowden <
> jsow...@americansentry.net > wrote:
> >>
> >> I went to the site that you recommended.  I could not find any
> >> feature request link.  I searched for 'feature', no luck.  I also
> >> could not find a reference to 'recent', as my 'feature request'
> >> might be interpreted to mean that it is a 'bug'.  I searched the
> >> entire page.
> >>
> >>
> >> My mistake, should have clarified, report it as if it's a bug, then it
> can be changed to "Enhancement" by QA team :-D
> >>
> >>
> >> -- *Joel Madero*
> >> LibreOffice QA Volunteer
> >> jmadero@gmail.com 
> >>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Changing the LibreOffice icons (Linux)

[webmaster-Kracked_P_P]

On 02/12/2013 03:29 PM, IBBoard wrote:

I don't know if this is the best place (I couldn't see a developer
mailing list outside the internal-focused ones) but here goes.

I use LibreOffice on openSUSE Linux. I've got a custom icon set that
replaces the application icons for LibreOffice. This works fine for
launcher icons, but once the program is running (e.g. I'm editing a file
in LO Writer) then the "current app" icon and the Alt-Tab app switcher
use the original icons (upscaled horribly from about 24x24 to 64x64).

As best as I can tell, Gnome is honouring the _NET_WM_ICON property of
the window, which does show the old style icons when you query it with
xprop.

I'm not talking about the toolbar icons, which I know there are multiple
themes that I can select from, but the actual launcher icon, and the one
that Gnome Shell uses to show you which app is running.

Is it possible to either a) get LibreOffice to use my theme's icons for
_NET_WM_ICON or b) replace some files pre-build, and if so, which ones?

I've got an account that already has some repackaged software on the
openSUSE Build Service (OBS), so I'm not afraid of patching packages, if
that is the only option :)

Thanks.


Maybe the solution is to include other icon sizes, like 24x24 and 64x64, 
or maybe larger ones, for those systems that might need or use them.  
Small, medium, large, and extra-large, icons might work for those who 
are on systems where you can change the icon size. I think Win7 has only 
two icon sizes to choose from.  I do not remember seeing that option in 
my Ubuntu/MATE install, though.  It could be there and I never seen 
where the option resides.


So, maybe there might be a need for icon sizes other than the two being 
used already.


Debian install[s] show
icon="/usr/share/icons/hicolor/32x32/apps/libreoffice4.0-writer.png"\
icon16x16="/usr/share/icons/hicolor/16x16/apps/libreoffice4.0-writer.png"

Could there be an "icon24x24" and "icon64x64" added to the 
desktop-integration system?

How many systems would work with more than just the "default" two sizes?


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[libreoffice-users] icons

[Malcolm Moore]

Is there anywhere that does different icon sets .. sorry, but
I think the ones that come with opensuse are a bit boring


Ta


M  

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request

[Jay Lozier]

On 02/12/2013 03:11 PM, John R. Sowden wrote:
I will follow your advice, although I think that this process needs 
review.  I feel that it is disrespectful to the people that are 
creating this great program to say that since My Idea (emphasis added) 
is not there, then it is a bug.  Secondly, good improvements from 
actual users might not be suggested because of the above and the fact 
that it is not clear where to request them.


John



John,

Using the bug tracking system and flagging it as feature request puts 
all the issues for the devs and QA team in one central spot. 
Unfortunately the use of "bug tracking" is sometimes a little misleading .


Jay




On 02/12/2013 11:51 AM, Joel Madero wrote:


On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:50 AM, John R. Sowden 
mailto:jsow...@americansentry.net>> wrote:


I went to the site that you recommended.  I could not find any
feature request link.  I searched for 'feature', no luck.  I also
could not find a reference to 'recent', as my 'feature request'
might be interpreted to mean that it is a 'bug'.  I searched the
entire page.


My mistake, should have clarified, report it as if it's a bug, then 
it can be changed to "Enhancement" by QA team :-D



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
The QA team and bug-triagers are pretty smart so they can sort it out for you 
(or others).  There are a lot of drop-downs on the page and it's a little 
tricky to find the right one but when you know where it is then you could help 
the bug-triagers by just doing that for a whole load of 'bug-reports' where the 
poster grumbles that they couldn't find the option.  There's all sorts of 
simple, dumb, easy things that can be quite a significant help and can help you 
learn your way in to doing more and more complex stuff.  
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: John R. Sowden 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013, 20:11
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request
> 
>I will follow your advice, although I think that this process needs review.  I 
>feel that it is disrespectful to the people that are creating this great 
>program to say that since My Idea (emphasis added) is not there, then it is a 
>bug.  Secondly, good improvements from actual users might not be suggested 
>because of the above and the fact that it is not clear where to request them.
>
>John
>
>
>
>
>
>On 02/12/2013 11:51 AM, Joel Madero wrote:
>> 
>> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:50 AM, John R. Sowden > > wrote:
>> 
>>     I went to the site that you recommended.  I could not find any
>>     feature request link.  I searched for 'feature', no luck.  I also
>>     could not find a reference to 'recent', as my 'feature request'
>>     might be interpreted to mean that it is a 'bug'.  I searched the
>>     entire page.
>> 
>> 
>> My mistake, should have clarified, report it as if it's a bug, then it can 
>> be changed to "Enhancement" by QA team :-D
>> 
>> 
>> -- *Joel Madero*
>> LibreOffice QA Volunteer
>> jmadero@gmail.com 
>> 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request

[Dan Lewis]

On 02/12/2013 03:01 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:

On 02/12/2013 02:04 PM, John R. Sowden wrote:
I know this is a bad time, since 4.0 was just released, but 
improvement is an ongoing process.


For the 'recent documents' menu selection under 'file', it would be 
nice to:

1) allow us to set the number of recent documents, under tools/options.
2) allow us, in the recent menu, to right click and set certain files 
to 'permanent' so
they will not fifo off the stack.  An asterisk (blue?) could act 
as a visual flag.


John




I remember seeing some packages that allow you to define the number of 
"recent documents" are kept in the queue.  I never seen the 
"permanent" one, but that would be an interesting thing to have.  That 
way, if you are actively working on editing and updating documents on 
a regular basis, you do not have them removed from the "recent" list 
because you were required to do some other more pressing and time 
sensitive work. I wonder how it might be done.


Also, it would be nice to be able to clear the list from time to time 
to keep other users of a "shared" system from "snooping" into what 
work you are doing for others.  I knows this might dealt with only 
using "user accounts" that "point" to user only folders, but I have 
worked at places where you did not have that ability of keeping your 
work away from the other users of the system.  Even if you used 
thumbdrives to store the data files, the other users could access the 
list of files you worked on.  Wiping work history would be a good 
thing for some.
 This was mentioned on this mailing list probably the latter part 
of last year. An extension was first created for OpenOffice.org  before 
Sun was bought by Oracle. The name is History Maker. It will work for LO 
as well. You can get it here:

http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/en/project/HistoryMaster.
 It only changes the number of documents kept on the recent 
document list.


--Dan


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[libreoffice-users] Changing the LibreOffice icons (Linux)

[IBBoard]

I don't know if this is the best place (I couldn't see a developer
mailing list outside the internal-focused ones) but here goes.

I use LibreOffice on openSUSE Linux. I've got a custom icon set that
replaces the application icons for LibreOffice. This works fine for
launcher icons, but once the program is running (e.g. I'm editing a file
in LO Writer) then the "current app" icon and the Alt-Tab app switcher
use the original icons (upscaled horribly from about 24x24 to 64x64).

As best as I can tell, Gnome is honouring the _NET_WM_ICON property of
the window, which does show the old style icons when you query it with
xprop.

I'm not talking about the toolbar icons, which I know there are multiple
themes that I can select from, but the actual launcher icon, and the one
that Gnome Shell uses to show you which app is running.

Is it possible to either a) get LibreOffice to use my theme's icons for
_NET_WM_ICON or b) replace some files pre-build, and if so, which ones?

I've got an account that already has some repackaged software on the
openSUSE Build Service (OBS), so I'm not afraid of patching packages, if
that is the only option :)

Thanks.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing the Deb

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Ok, so how about running a Virtual Machine? Perhaps acquire an old hard-drive 
that you don't care about too much and physically unplug all your 5Tb and then 
plug in the experimental one.  

Btw on a command-line if 2 pathnames or file-names are quite close to each 
other then when you press Tab it will show the 2 or more options and then give 
you a new prompt with all the stuff you had already typed already on it.  
Sounds complicated but try it and you'll soon work it out.  
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013, 19:52
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing the Deb
> 
>On 02/12/2013 11:10 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>> On 2013-02-10 10:27 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
>>> I do not like all that typing.
>>> 
>>> What I do is use the default file manager and double click the archived
>>> file and unarchive it.  Then I take the folder that is created and
>>> rename it to Lib or LibO.  That way you do not need to type all of the
>>> characters of the folder's name.
>> 
>> Never heard of 'tab-completion'?
>> 
>> Try hitting the tab key after typing one or two characters of the folder 
>> name and see what happens...
>> 
>
>Never heard of this.  Never know of the Tab completion in the Terminal.
>
>Does it work with the Terminal that is in GNOME, MATE, Unity, KDE?  How about 
>the one that comes with openSUSE and other non-Ubuntu systems.  I have been 
>told that Debian and Ubuntu is "growing apart" so some distros are showing 
>both Ubuntu-based and Debian-based versions.
>
>What happens when you have two folders that are similar characters, except 
>some difference?
>     LibreOffice-4.0-installsvs. LibreOffice-3.6-installs?
>You would have to make sure you go out till the difference?
>
>I tend to unarchive all of the downloaded file for my version at the same 
>time.  For me, that is just the main install and the help pack.
>
>   /To be honest, I never really got into doing all that much with the
>   terminal.  I prefer to use a GUI to do the work. There are a very
>   large amount of things that the terminal can do that I do not know
>   of, or how to do those things that might help me once and a while.    I 
>just never bought or download and GOODand easy to understand
>   reference to what you can do in the terminal.  Of course, there are
>   different ways to do things in a Ubuntu/Debian system than you would
>   do the same thing in a openSUSE or RPM system.  Different commands
>   and such. //
>   //
>   //I have tried things that others say work for the, but does not
>   work in my install of Ubuntu. That is one reason I have a laptop
>   that has a partition that I use to test new versions of Ubuntu and
>   desktop environments.  I do not want to upgrade my 5 TB "production"
>   desktop and then find that something is not right.  I did the
>   upgrading from 10.04 to 12.04 on the laptop and it worked fine, but
>   totally crashed on my desktop causing me to need to wipe the system
>   and do a fresh install.  I really did not want to have to reinstall
>   all of the packages over again, but in the end I had no choice to do
>   so and move my data files from my external backup drive.  That took
>   days to complete./
>
>
>SO
>I do not experiment with things on the Terminal, or almost never.
>
>I would love to "experiment" and see about creating a script that would 
>automate the install of LO from an earlier versionusing something like "sh 
>libre-update.run" and then have it do the removal of the older version and 
>install the newer one.  I could place it in the folderthat contains the "DEBS" 
>folder so it will be version independent. But, if I do something wrong, how 
>bad will it go wrong? So right now I am not going toexperiment that way.
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing the Deb

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Tab complete is what i was trying to describe in this thread the other day, 
possibly yday although it's already nearly tomorrow here so possibly the day 
before yday.  

Works on any unix-based platform so that includes Bsd although possibly not 
Mac.  I've not seen a command-line on a Mac.  Also works on the Grub 
command-line although i try to avoid that even more than the regular 
command-line as i'm even more clueless there.  Point&click rules!  (unless you 
are showing off)
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: webmaster-Kracked_P_P 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013, 19:52
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing the Deb
> 
>On 02/12/2013 11:10 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:
>> On 2013-02-10 10:27 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:
>>> I do not like all that typing.
>>> 
>>> What I do is use the default file manager and double click the archived
>>> file and unarchive it.  Then I take the folder that is created and
>>> rename it to Lib or LibO.  That way you do not need to type all of the
>>> characters of the folder's name.
>> 
>> Never heard of 'tab-completion'?
>> 
>> Try hitting the tab key after typing one or two characters of the folder 
>> name and see what happens...
>> 
>
>Never heard of this.  Never know of the Tab completion in the Terminal.
>
>Does it work with the Terminal that is in GNOME, MATE, Unity, KDE?  How about 
>the one that comes with openSUSE and other non-Ubuntu systems.  I have been 
>told that Debian and Ubuntu is "growing apart" so some distros are showing 
>both Ubuntu-based and Debian-based versions.
>
>What happens when you have two folders that are similar characters, except 
>some difference?
>     LibreOffice-4.0-installsvs. LibreOffice-3.6-installs?
>You would have to make sure you go out till the difference?
>
>I tend to unarchive all of the downloaded file for my version at the same 
>time.  For me, that is just the main install and the help pack.
>
>   /To be honest, I never really got into doing all that much with the
>   terminal.  I prefer to use a GUI to do the work. There are a very
>   large amount of things that the terminal can do that I do not know
>   of, or how to do those things that might help me once and a while.    I 
>just never bought or download and GOODand easy to understand
>   reference to what you can do in the terminal.  Of course, there are
>   different ways to do things in a Ubuntu/Debian system than you would
>   do the same thing in a openSUSE or RPM system.  Different commands
>   and such. //
>   //
>   //I have tried things that others say work for the, but does not
>   work in my install of Ubuntu. That is one reason I have a laptop
>   that has a partition that I use to test new versions of Ubuntu and
>   desktop environments.  I do not want to upgrade my 5 TB "production"
>   desktop and then find that something is not right.  I did the
>   upgrading from 10.04 to 12.04 on the laptop and it worked fine, but
>   totally crashed on my desktop causing me to need to wipe the system
>   and do a fresh install.  I really did not want to have to reinstall
>   all of the packages over again, but in the end I had no choice to do
>   so and move my data files from my external backup drive.  That took
>   days to complete./
>
>
>SO
>I do not experiment with things on the Terminal, or almost never.
>
>I would love to "experiment" and see about creating a script that would 
>automate the install of LO from an earlier versionusing something like "sh 
>libre-update.run" and then have it do the removal of the older version and 
>install the newer one.  I could place it in the folderthat contains the "DEBS" 
>folder so it will be version independent. But, if I do something wrong, how 
>bad will it go wrong? So right now I am not going toexperiment that way.
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request

[John R. Sowden]

I will follow your advice, although I think that this process needs 
review.  I feel that it is disrespectful to the people that are creating 
this great program to say that since My Idea (emphasis added) is not 
there, then it is a bug.  Secondly, good improvements from actual users 
might not be suggested because of the above and the fact that it is not 
clear where to request them.


John





On 02/12/2013 11:51 AM, Joel Madero wrote:


On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:50 AM, John R. Sowden 
mailto:jsow...@americansentry.net>> wrote:


I went to the site that you recommended.  I could not find any
feature request link.  I searched for 'feature', no luck.  I also
could not find a reference to 'recent', as my 'feature request'
might be interpreted to mean that it is a 'bug'.  I searched the
entire page.


My mistake, should have clarified, report it as if it's a bug, then it 
can be changed to "Enhancement" by QA team :-D



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request

[Kieran Peckett]

Don't worry, just file it as a bug, and explain that it is a feature
request. The devs will understand.

On Tuesday, 12 February 2013, John R. Sowden wrote:

> I went to the site that you recommended.  I could not find any feature
> request link.  I searched for 'feature', no luck.  I also could not find a
> reference to 'recent', as my 'feature request' might be interpreted to mean
> that it is a 'bug'.  I searched the entire page.
>
> John
>
>
>
>
>
>
> On 02/12/2013 11:33 AM, Joel Madero wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:04 AM, John R. Sowden <
>> jsow...@americansentry.net > wrote:
>>
>> I know this is a bad time, since 4.0 was just released, but
>> improvement is an ongoing process.
>>
>> For the 'recent documents' menu selection under 'file', it would
>> be nice to:
>> 1) allow us to set the number of recent documents, under
>> tools/options.
>> 2) allow us, in the recent menu, to right click and set certain
>> files to 'permanent' so
>> they will not fifo off the stack.  An asterisk (blue?) could
>> act as a visual flag.
>>
>>
>> Feature requests should be made through our bug tracker, most devs don't
>> follow the user mailing list (they already have way too much on their
>> plates).
>>
>> https://wiki.**documentfoundation.org/**BugReport_Details
>>
>>
>> Best Regards,
>> Joel
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request

[webmaster-Kracked_P_P]

On 02/12/2013 02:04 PM, John R. Sowden wrote:
I know this is a bad time, since 4.0 was just released, but 
improvement is an ongoing process.


For the 'recent documents' menu selection under 'file', it would be 
nice to:

1) allow us to set the number of recent documents, under tools/options.
2) allow us, in the recent menu, to right click and set certain files 
to 'permanent' so
they will not fifo off the stack.  An asterisk (blue?) could act 
as a visual flag.


John




I remember seeing some packages that allow you to define the number of 
"recent documents" are kept in the queue.  I never seen the "permanent" 
one, but that would be an interesting thing to have.  That way, if you 
are actively working on editing and updating documents on a regular 
basis, you do not have them removed from the "recent" list because you 
were required to do some other more pressing and time sensitive work. I 
wonder how it might be done.


Also, it would be nice to be able to clear the list from time to time to 
keep other users of a "shared" system from "snooping" into what work you 
are doing for others.  I knows this might dealt with only using "user 
accounts" that "point" to user only folders, but I have worked at places 
where you did not have that ability of keeping your work away from the 
other users of the system.  Even if you used thumbdrives to store the 
data files, the other users could access the list of files you worked 
on.  Wiping work history would be a good thing for some.


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing the Deb

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On 02/12/2013 11:10 AM, Tanstaafl wrote:

On 2013-02-10 10:27 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:

I do not like all that typing.

What I do is use the default file manager and double click the archived
file and unarchive it.  Then I take the folder that is created and
rename it to Lib or LibO.  That way you do not need to type all of the
characters of the folder's name.


Never heard of 'tab-completion'?

Try hitting the tab key after typing one or two characters of the 
folder name and see what happens...




Never heard of this.  Never know of the Tab completion in the Terminal.

Does it work with the Terminal that is in GNOME, MATE, Unity, KDE?  How 
about the one that comes with openSUSE and other non-Ubuntu systems.  I 
have been told that Debian and Ubuntu is "growing apart" so some distros 
are showing both Ubuntu-based and Debian-based versions.


What happens when you have two folders that are similar characters, 
except some difference?

 LibreOffice-4.0-installsvs. LibreOffice-3.6-installs?
You would have to make sure you go out till the difference?

I tend to unarchive all of the downloaded file for my version at the 
same time.  For me, that is just the main install and the help pack.


   /To be honest, I never really got into doing all that much with the
   terminal.  I prefer to use a GUI to do the work. There are a very
   large amount of things that the terminal can do that I do not know
   of, or how to do those things that might help me once and a while. 
   I just never bought or download and GOODand easy to understand

   reference to what you can do in the terminal.  Of course, there are
   different ways to do things in a Ubuntu/Debian system than you would
   do the same thing in a openSUSE or RPM system.  Different commands
   and such. //
   //
   //I have tried things that others say work for the, but does not
   work in my install of Ubuntu. That is one reason I have a laptop
   that has a partition that I use to test new versions of Ubuntu and
   desktop environments.  I do not want to upgrade my 5 TB "production"
   desktop and then find that something is not right.  I did the
   upgrading from 10.04 to 12.04 on the laptop and it worked fine, but
   totally crashed on my desktop causing me to need to wipe the system
   and do a fresh install.  I really did not want to have to reinstall
   all of the packages over again, but in the end I had no choice to do
   so and move my data files from my external backup drive.  That took
   days to complete./


SO
I do not experiment with things on the Terminal, or almost never.

I would love to "experiment" and see about creating a script that would 
automate the install of LO from an earlier versionusing something like 
"sh libre-update.run" and then have it do the removal of the older 
version and install the newer one.  I could place it in the folderthat 
contains the "DEBS" folder so it will be version independent. But, if I 
do something wrong, how bad will it go wrong? So right now I am not 
going toexperiment that way.




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request

[John R. Sowden]

I went to the site that you recommended.  I could not find any feature 
request link.  I searched for 'feature', no luck.  I also could not find 
a reference to 'recent', as my 'feature request' might be interpreted to 
mean that it is a 'bug'.  I searched the entire page.


John






On 02/12/2013 11:33 AM, Joel Madero wrote:




On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:04 AM, John R. Sowden 
mailto:jsow...@americansentry.net>> wrote:


I know this is a bad time, since 4.0 was just released, but
improvement is an ongoing process.

For the 'recent documents' menu selection under 'file', it would
be nice to:
1) allow us to set the number of recent documents, under
tools/options.
2) allow us, in the recent menu, to right click and set certain
files to 'permanent' so
they will not fifo off the stack.  An asterisk (blue?) could
act as a visual flag.


Feature requests should be made through our bug tracker, most devs 
don't follow the user mailing list (they already have way too much on 
their plates).


https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport_Details


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Feature Request

[Joel Madero]

On Tue, Feb 12, 2013 at 11:04 AM, John R. Sowden  wrote:

> I know this is a bad time, since 4.0 was just released, but improvement is
> an ongoing process.
>
> For the 'recent documents' menu selection under 'file', it would be nice
> to:
> 1) allow us to set the number of recent documents, under tools/options.
> 2) allow us, in the recent menu, to right click and set certain files to
> 'permanent' so
> they will not fifo off the stack.  An asterisk (blue?) could act as a
> visual flag.
>
>
Feature requests should be made through our bug tracker, most devs don't
follow the user mailing list (they already have way too much on their
plates).

https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport_Details


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[libreoffice-users] Feature Request

[John R. Sowden]

I know this is a bad time, since 4.0 was just released, but improvement 
is an ongoing process.


For the 'recent documents' menu selection under 'file', it would be nice to:
1) allow us to set the number of recent documents, under tools/options.
2) allow us, in the recent menu, to right click and set certain files to 
'permanent' so
they will not fifo off the stack.  An asterisk (blue?) could act as 
a visual flag.


John


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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0: intrinsic database: relations only between primaries keys?

[Alex Thurgood]

On 02/12/2013 06:03 PM, Uwe Brauer wrote:

Hi Uwe,

Robert Grosskopf wrote a handbook in German that should be available on
the German LO wiki somewhere.


>>  As far as MySQL problems, I think I tried to modify fields in a
>> table while using MySQL. They were not saved either.

You might be right, I haven't tried this recently. I gave up using LO or
even OOo to define my fields in mysql because it used to mess them up
somewhat, so I took to doing things via the command line interface. It
was hard going (and sometimes still is with mysql's rather unhelpful
obscure error messages), but at least I learnt more that way.

Alex



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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0: intrinsic database: relations only between primaries keys?

[Alex Thurgood]

On 02/12/2013 05:59 PM, Uwe Brauer wrote:

Hi Uwe,


> Well show engines;
> showed  
> 
> InnoDB | YES | Supports transactions | YES  | YES  | YES
> 
> So I presume the answer is yes.
> 

In theory, yes, but you might want to check each table to see whether it
does actually use the InnoDB engine and has not defaulted to myisam.


>> This is true whether you are using ODBC, JDBC or the native mysql
>> connector to reach your tables from within LO.
> A question, can you set various relations between tables, using mysql
> and they are saved?

Yes, but I don't use LO for this, I either code it by hand from the
mysql command line interface or when I'm feeling lazy use phpmysqladmin
or MySQL Workbench.

The reason : LO, and previously OOo, did not always make a very good job
of defining my table fields the way I wanted them.

Alex


Alex






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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0: intrinsic database: relations only between primaries keys?

[Uwe Brauer]

>> "Dan" == Dan Lewis  writes:


   >  Perhaps you need to learn more about primary keys, foreign keys,
   > and the relationship that must exist between them. Another topic that
   > would help is normalizing tables. Still another topic is constraints
   > that must be applied to either type of keys. (This one really goes to
   > the error message you got. (I make these suggestions because it is
   > what I had to do to understand tables in a relational database.)
Yes of course, I desperately need to learn more.  But the issue is that
the GUI seems only to set and save relations between primaries keys. Did
you try it out via the GUI, what is your experience?

   >  I am a little curious. Your email address implies you may live in
   > Spain. 

Yes, I do.

   > Your name looks German to me. If you are German, then there is
   > a Base Handbook written in German that you might be able to use. 

Yes again, I am German.
   > Tom might be able to tell you from where to download it on the
   > LibreOffice wiki if that would help.
That would be extremely helpful. I googled around of course but mostly
found old material (2007/08).

   >  As far as MySQL problems, I think I tried to modify fields in a
   > table while using MySQL. They were not saved either.

Aha so there is a problem?!

Uwe 


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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4.0: intrinsic database: relations only between primaries keys?

[Uwe Brauer]

>> "Alex" == Alex Thurgood  writes:

   > On 02/11/2013 11:31 PM, Uwe Brauer wrote:
   > Hi Uwe,

   >> As I said, in another mail,  when I connect the data base to mysql via
   >> ODBC then I can set more relations, but they are not saved..
   >> 

   > I take it that you are using InnoDB engine in your mysql db ?


Aha, good question.

Well show engines;
showed  

InnoDB | YES | Supports transactions | YES  | YES  | YES

So I presume the answer is yes.

   > Otherwise, e.g. if you are using myisam or heap as the default engine,
   > relations are not supported by mysql, i.e. they are not enforced
   > (although they can be stored as a textual reference).

   > This is true whether you are using ODBC, JDBC or the native mysql
   > connector to reach your tables from within LO.
A question, can you set various relations between tables, using mysql
and they are saved?

Uwe 

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: Installing the Deb

[Tanstaafl]

On 2013-02-10 10:27 PM, webmaster-Kracked_P_P wrote:

I do not like all that typing.

What I do is use the default file manager and double click the archived
file and unarchive it.  Then I take the folder that is created and
rename it to Lib or LibO.  That way you do not need to type all of the
characters of the folder's name.


Never heard of 'tab-completion'?

Try hitting the tab key after typing one or two characters of the folder 
name and see what happens...


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 60710 - EDITING: Cannot save particular untitled document containing comments

[Joel Madero]

I reproduced it once and now for the life of me I can't.very strange.
Trying a few more times


Best Regards,
Joel


On Mon, Feb 11, 2013 at 8:14 PM, C. H. D. <
webofht-libreoffice...@yahoo.com.hk> wrote:

>
>
> Hello!
>
> In my use case, I cannot save a particular untitled document.
>
>
> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60710
>
> I should be grateful if you have a look.
>
> The video is here:
> http://youtu.be/9ImnaTY65gA
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
> C. H. D.
>
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 60390 - FILEOPEN: Cannot open particular document

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
The situation is improving now that people are moving to ODF more and more.  
Relying on a single companies whims has of course left a lingering problem but 
ODF is defined by a large group of companies most of which produce software 
that is designed to read the formats.  

So, if you stick with MS formats then you are still relying on a situation that 
hasn't changed in 30years.  If you have moved to ODF then things are a lot more 
stable and reliable because there are a lot of products that can read ODF 
sucessfully.
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Mirosław Zalewski 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013, 12:49
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 60390 - FILEOPEN: Cannot open particular 
>document
> 
>On 12/02/2013 at 10:53, "e-letter"  wrote:
>
>> If LO, or any other odf-compliant software disappears, you can find
>> another. 
>
>Yeah, especially since LO default saving format incorporates number of non-
>standard extensions that other ODF-compliant software will just ignore.
>
>Don't get me wrong - I appreciate many of these extensions, as they give me 
>ability to use great features not covered by ODF spec.
>
>But I am also worried by the fact, that over thirty years after introducing 
>first word processor software, we are still at a stage where documents can be 
>freely exchanged only by users of the same software in the same version.
>-- 
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS Excel file macros cause infinite loop of errors

[Todd E. Moore]

My original objective in submitting to the forum was to determine if an 
LO/OO "bug" or "limitation" was being exposed by the macros found in the 
sample file rather than having folks in the development team or 
community expend the effort to fix the offending file.  To me, the issue 
is now closed.




On 2/12/13 9:52 AM, Tom Davies wrote:

Hi :)
+1
to all of Jay's various points there.  I totally agree.

The "another private company", the one that sent the offending spreadsheet, 
appears to be Oracle.  So,
1.  it's extremely unlikely that they will re-write the macros for LibreOffice 
or even for OpenOffice (same macro languages)
2.  that fact the macros seem horribly broken is not a surprise either and they 
probably wont fix them
3.  If we could fix them and send to the original poster so that he could send the 
results to the "another company"  in an ODF document then that would be a bit 
of a triumph for all of us.

Yes, it would be nice if someone here got paid for the work but that is 
unlikely to happen.  Ideally i would like someone here to get paid perhaps 
somewhat less than the cost of new MSO licenses for the op's machines.  Perhaps 
Andrew Pitonyak, Alex, Jay, Dan(?) or someone else that knows macro coding well 
enough to get it done quite quickly.

At the moment the company that approached us doesn't have any versions of MSO 
(apart fromt he old 2003 lurking somewhere) and it's only being forced into 
buying MSO by this 1 document from Oracle!!  It's outrageous that Oracle would 
do such a thing but again, no surprise!  So, even if no-one got paid it would 
still be a good result for us.

Regards from
Tom :)







From: Jay Lozier 
To: users@global.libreoffice.org
Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013, 14:21
Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS Excel file macros cause infinite loop 
of errors

On 02/12/2013 01:34 AM, e-letter wrote:

On 11/02/2013, todd.e.moore  wrote:

Originally I posted under my todd.mo...@dynamicsystemsinc.com
account.Unfortunately, I need the macros enabled.  The spreadsheet is
developed by another company and includes features/functions that we must
use to properly submit requests.The behavior I observe is that after
changing security settings to allow the macros to run, I receive a macro
execution error that pops up on the screen.  Clicking on the equivalent of
"ok", "ignore", "cancel" just displays another error message.  This
continues for what seems about 30 clicks.  Then the boxes no longer appear.

Trying to do anything in the UI, even closing the file, starts the error
message deluge again.I noticed the issue in v3.x.x and hoped that with
v4.0.0 there may have been changes that would cope with the macros in this
file.  Unfortunately, the problems persist.Attaching file (1MB zip file
containing a single MS Excel ) that causes this issue to occur.
File_with_Bad_Macro.zip



Amazed that a private company receives a proprietary file from another
private company and asks the libre software community to solve a
proprietary problem.

LO is not an m$ clone. A business that can't afford to pay m$
licences, most probably shouldn't be in business.

How does odf benefit from LO being used to solve your problem?

Have you contacted the source of the document and asked them to
re-format the document to ods?

What did they say? ;)

Have you contacted m$ and asked them to make their software easier to
use with non-m$ products? Did you get a reply ? ;)

How much company time have you wasted, compared to the cost of buying
a legitimate copy of m$? Is your MD aware?


e-letter

The issue is macro conversion which is tricky at best. As budgets tighten many 
are looking for less expensive or free options for software and these issues 
are important to address in a polite manner not snide comments about the 
validity of their license or how they should use MSO. MS does not by their 
choice have versions of MSO for all OSes so depending on your OS you may not 
even have an option to use MSO.

In previous post, it was noted that the macro may be buggy because it 
apparently does not always run correctly in Excel (2003). So there may have two 
independent problems: a buggy macro and macro conversion/interoperability.

Macros are the hardest area to convert because of differences in the APIs 
between MSO and LO.

-- Jay Lozier
jsloz...@gmail.com


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS Excel file macros cause infinite loop of errors

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
+1 
to all of Jay's various points there.  I totally agree.  

The "another private company", the one that sent the offending spreadsheet, 
appears to be Oracle.  So, 
1.  it's extremely unlikely that they will re-write the macros for LibreOffice 
or even for OpenOffice (same macro languages)  
2.  that fact the macros seem horribly broken is not a surprise either and they 
probably wont fix them
3.  If we could fix them and send to the original poster so that he could send 
the results to the "another company"  in an ODF document then that would be a 
bit of a triumph for all of us.  

Yes, it would be nice if someone here got paid for the work but that is 
unlikely to happen.  Ideally i would like someone here to get paid perhaps 
somewhat less than the cost of new MSO licenses for the op's machines.  Perhaps 
Andrew Pitonyak, Alex, Jay, Dan(?) or someone else that knows macro coding well 
enough to get it done quite quickly.  

At the moment the company that approached us doesn't have any versions of MSO 
(apart fromt he old 2003 lurking somewhere) and it's only being forced into 
buying MSO by this 1 document from Oracle!!  It's outrageous that Oracle would 
do such a thing but again, no surprise!  So, even if no-one got paid it would 
still be a good result for us.  

Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: Jay Lozier 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013, 14:21
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS Excel file macros cause infinite loop 
>of errors
> 
>On 02/12/2013 01:34 AM, e-letter wrote:
>> On 11/02/2013, todd.e.moore  wrote:
>>> Originally I posted under my todd.mo...@dynamicsystemsinc.com
>>> account.Unfortunately, I need the macros enabled.  The spreadsheet is
>>> developed by another company and includes features/functions that we must
>>> use to properly submit requests.The behavior I observe is that after
>>> changing security settings to allow the macros to run, I receive a macro
>>> execution error that pops up on the screen.  Clicking on the equivalent of
>>> "ok", "ignore", "cancel" just displays another error message.  This
>>> continues for what seems about 30 clicks.  Then the boxes no longer appear.
>>> 
>>> Trying to do anything in the UI, even closing the file, starts the error
>>> message deluge again.I noticed the issue in v3.x.x and hoped that with
>>> v4.0.0 there may have been changes that would cope with the macros in this
>>> file.  Unfortunately, the problems persist.Attaching file (1MB zip file
>>> containing a single MS Excel ) that causes this issue to occur.
>>> File_with_Bad_Macro.zip
>>> 
>>> 
>> Amazed that a private company receives a proprietary file from another
>> private company and asks the libre software community to solve a
>> proprietary problem.
>> 
>> LO is not an m$ clone. A business that can't afford to pay m$
>> licences, most probably shouldn't be in business.
>> 
>> How does odf benefit from LO being used to solve your problem?
>> 
>> Have you contacted the source of the document and asked them to
>> re-format the document to ods?
>> 
>> What did they say? ;)
>> 
>> Have you contacted m$ and asked them to make their software easier to
>> use with non-m$ products? Did you get a reply ? ;)
>> 
>> How much company time have you wasted, compared to the cost of buying
>> a legitimate copy of m$? Is your MD aware?
>> 
>e-letter
>
>The issue is macro conversion which is tricky at best. As budgets tighten many 
>are looking for less expensive or free options for software and these issues 
>are important to address in a polite manner not snide comments about the 
>validity of their license or how they should use MSO. MS does not by their 
>choice have versions of MSO for all OSes so depending on your OS you may not 
>even have an option to use MSO.
>
>In previous post, it was noted that the macro may be buggy because it 
>apparently does not always run correctly in Excel (2003). So there may have 
>two independent problems: a buggy macro and macro conversion/interoperability.
>
>Macros are the hardest area to convert because of differences in the APIs 
>between MSO and LO.
>
>-- Jay Lozier
>jsloz...@gmail.com
>
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 60390 - FILEOPEN: Cannot open particular document

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Brilliant! :)  Nicely done!  


It did bother me a little that the macros didn't even work in MS Office.  
At my workplace we only have 1 set of documents that 'need' macros and 
they are all in the finance department.  They were written for MSO 2010 
and don't work in MSO 2007 and i'm guessing they wont work in MSO 2013 
either.  If the person writing the macros had not told us which version 
they were written for then we would have assumed they just don't work.  
As it is we had to buy MSO 2010 just a few months before 2013 was 
released.  We only really needed it for 1 machine but ended up getting 
it for almost all machines.  


CHD is the chap that produced quite a few How-To videos and even managed to get 
them listed on the Documentation wiki.  At the moment that is on
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Other_Documentation_and_Resources
but i'm just creating a separate page for videos
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/Documentation/Publications/Videos
and created a redirect for people that forget the "Publications" bit (ie such 
as myself in a few months).  


Now that i see he was doing research and has collected stats about it his whole 
mission there suddenly becomes more obvious and good to know about.  It wasn't 
a paid-for bit of research with pre-planning and defined methodology and is not 
yet written up as a research paper and published anywhere except on this list 
so it's good to get the early results before it's all hidden behind fancy 
language!  It's actually a little higher than i expected which is also good 
news :)   99.75% of documents being compatible is quite astounding!

Thanks and regards from
Tom :)  






>
> From: pasqual milvaques pons 
>To: pasqual milvaques pons  
>Cc: LibreOffice User Support Mailing List  
>Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013, 13:14
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 60390 - FILEOPEN: Cannot open particular 
>document
> 
>this mailing like doesn't like attachments, you can download it from there:
>convertidor_odf.7z (320 KB)
>https://mega.co.nz/#!o8IXHa7Q!JgsZ0xKsAagxtkHxy-c2lnacVUdN6zPJRcCGyJ_oRbo
>
>best regards
>
>
>Al 12/02/2013 13:58, En/na pasqual milvaques pons ha escrit:
>> in situations like this, independently of the work to be done to make 
>> libreoffice capable of opening those files you can use a version of 
>> microsoft office which supports odf to convert the file to odt. this can be 
>> an effective workaround
>> 
>> I attach you the converted file (using microsoft office 2013). you can use 
>> these software to do the conversion from a shell:
>> http://code.officeshots.org/trac/officeshots/browser/trunk/OfficeConvert
>> 
>> I attach also a bat file which can help to automatize the conversion process
>> 
>> best regards
>> 
>> 
>> Al 12/02/2013 13:29, En/na C. H. D. ha escrit:
>>> Hello!
>>> 
>>> Do I support LibreOffice? Yes, I do.
>>> 
>>> Let me show some positive numbers:
>>> 
>>> When I downloaded 400 .doc files, I opened 399 files in LibreOffice.
>>> 
>>> Only 1 could not be opened.
>>> 
>>> All 400 files were smaller than or equal to 692.5 KB. I started the testing 
>>> from the smallest file to the largest file. It happened to be that I could 
>>> not open that one file which was 692.5 KB.
>>> 
>>> I am not a Maths expert. 399/400 = 99.75%
>>> 
>>> Congratulations! This is excellent! Well done.
>>> 
>>> To make a rough conclusion, I claim in a reasonable way that LibreOffice 
>>> can open 99.75% of the .doc files I may come across in future if these 
>>> files are smaller than 700KB.
>>> 
>>> I do not know if these numbers are scientific enough. However, such 
>>> information definitely helps me to say that LibreOffice 4 is really good!
>>> 
>>> Microsoft Office is not my area of interest, by the way. It is just that 
>>> someone uses it. There were cases when Word could not open .doc files in 
>>> the past. These cases are not my area of interest.
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> C. H. D.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>>   寄件人︰ e-letter
>>> 收件人︰ C. H. D. 副本(CC)︰ LibreOffice User 
>>> Support Mailing List  傳送日期︰ 2013年02月12日 (週二) 
>>> 5:53 PM
>>> 主題︰ Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 60390 - FILEOPEN: Cannot open particular 
>>> document
>>>   On 12/02/2013, C. H. D.  wrote:
 Hello!
 
 
 Yes, my Microsoft Office is legal. (Just happened that many other people 
 use
 it.)
 
 
 I think it is an interoperability issue.
 
>>> If you are very concerned about interoperability, you should be
>>> contacting m$ and ask them why they cannot open odf documents created
>>> using LO. Have you done this?
>>> 
 I searched the Internet and looked for documents randomly to test if
 LibreOffice can open them. This is the authentic test.
 
>>> No, a more authentic test is to search for odf documents and compare
>>> of LO and m$ op

Re: [libreoffice-users] Re: MS Excel file macros cause infinite loop of errors

[Jay Lozier]

On 02/12/2013 01:34 AM, e-letter wrote:

On 11/02/2013, todd.e.moore  wrote:

Originally I posted under my todd.mo...@dynamicsystemsinc.com
account.Unfortunately, I need the macros enabled.  The spreadsheet is
developed by another company and includes features/functions that we must
use to properly submit requests.The behavior I observe is that after
changing security settings to allow the macros to run, I receive a macro
execution error that pops up on the screen.  Clicking on the equivalent of
"ok", "ignore", "cancel" just displays another error message.  This
continues for what seems about 30 clicks.  Then the boxes no longer appear.

Trying to do anything in the UI, even closing the file, starts the error
message deluge again.I noticed the issue in v3.x.x and hoped that with
v4.0.0 there may have been changes that would cope with the macros in this
file.  Unfortunately, the problems persist.Attaching file (1MB zip file
containing a single MS Excel ) that causes this issue to occur.
File_with_Bad_Macro.zip



Amazed that a private company receives a proprietary file from another
private company and asks the libre software community to solve a
proprietary problem.

LO is not an m$ clone. A business that can't afford to pay m$
licences, most probably shouldn't be in business.

How does odf benefit from LO being used to solve your problem?

Have you contacted the source of the document and asked them to
re-format the document to ods?

What did they say? ;)

Have you contacted m$ and asked them to make their software easier to
use with non-m$ products? Did you get a reply ? ;)

How much company time have you wasted, compared to the cost of buying
a legitimate copy of m$? Is your MD aware?


e-letter

The issue is macro conversion which is tricky at best. As budgets 
tighten many are looking for less expensive or free options for software 
and these issues are important to address in a polite manner not snide 
comments about the validity of their license or how they should use MSO. 
MS does not by their choice have versions of MSO for all OSes so 
depending on your OS you may not even have an option to use MSO.


In previous post, it was noted that the macro may be buggy because it 
apparently does not always run correctly in Excel (2003). So there may 
have two independent problems: a buggy macro and macro 
conversion/interoperability.


Macros are the hardest area to convert because of differences in the 
APIs between MSO and LO.


--
Jay Lozier
jsloz...@gmail.com


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 60390 - FILEOPEN: Cannot open particular document

[Jay Lozier]

On 02/12/2013 04:53 AM, e-letter wrote:

On 12/02/2013, C. H. D.  wrote:

Hello!


Yes, my Microsoft Office is legal. (Just happened that many other people use
it.)


I think it is an interoperability issue.


If you are very concerned about interoperability, you should be
contacting m$ and ask them why they cannot open odf documents created
using LO. Have you done this?


I searched the Internet and looked for documents randomly to test if
LibreOffice can open them. This is the authentic test.


No, a more authentic test is to search for odf documents and compare
of LO and m$ opens these types of documents.


If Microsoft Office opens the .doc files correctly, LibreOffice should also
open them correctly.


No, LO is not a m$-clone. If LO opens the odt document correctly, m$
should also. Have you tested this?


If Microsoft went bankrupt, what office suite would be able to handle
thousands of .doc files?


Unlikely, but that is the fault entirely of the user that creates the
document in the m$ file format!!!

If LO, or any other odf-compliant software disappears, you can find
another. That is why you should be testing "interoperability" with odf
and not m$ formats.


Then, the data in the .doc files would be lost if no other office suite was
able to open them, I am afraid.


I hope that happens (but a small possibility).


Not many people like converting .doc files into .odt files, I am afraid.


That is their choice. Start creating documents in odf!

If you bother to read the comments, the document is from a website and 
contacting the author will be difficult. The problem is likely that the 
author did some strange formatting that confuses many programs that 
normally open *.doc format files. The real issue is why a *.doc file 
instead of a *.pdf file on the web.


I would follow Tom's suggestion and try several other options and see if 
one them works. Also, if the document is opened, even if the it looks 
wacky, try saving as odt or html if odt does not work.


--
Jay Lozier
jsloz...@gmail.com


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 60390 - FILEOPEN: Cannot open particular document

[C. H. D.]

 
Thanks for the idea.

I would say that the development team responded very quickly. When I submitted 
a bug regarding not being able to open an OpenDocument file, the development 
team figured out the issue and made a patch in three days! Amazingly fast!

I test that OpenDocument file and it will open in LibreOffice 4 (current 
version). Great!

I think the development team will work it out soon. 


LibreOffice is good because the development team responds quickly.


Regards,

C. H. D.


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document
 
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Al 12/02/2013 13:58, En/na pasqual milvaques pons ha escrit:
> in situations like this, independently of the work to be done to make 
> libreoffice capable of opening those files you can use a version of microsoft 
> office which supports odf to convert the file to odt. this can be an 
> effective workaround
> 
> I attach you the converted file (using microsoft office 2013). you can use 
> these software to do the conversion from a shell:
> http://code.officeshots.org/trac/officeshots/browser/trunk/OfficeConvert
> 
> I attach also a bat file which can help to automatize the conversion process
> 
> best regards
> 
> 
> Al 12/02/2013 13:29, En/na C. H. D. ha escrit:
>> Hello!
>> 
>> Do I support LibreOffice? Yes, I do.
>> 
>> Let me show some positive numbers:
>> 
>> When I downloaded 400 .doc files, I opened 399 files in LibreOffice.
>> 
>> Only 1 could not be opened.
>> 
>> All 400 files were smaller than or equal to 692.5 KB. I started the testing 
>> from the smallest file to the largest file. It happened to be that I could 
>> not open that one file which was 692.5 KB.
>> 
>> I am not a Maths expert. 399/400 = 99.75%
>> 
>> Congratulations! This is excellent! Well done.
>> 
>> To make a rough conclusion, I claim in a reasonable way that LibreOffice can 
>> open 99.75% of the .doc files I may come across in future if these files are 
>> smaller than 700KB.
>> 
>> I do not know if these numbers are scientific enough. However, such 
>> information definitely helps me to say that LibreOffice 4 is really good!
>> 
>> Microsoft Office is not my area of interest, by the way. It is just that 
>> someone uses it. There were cases when Word could not open .doc files in the 
>> past. These cases are not my area of interest.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> C. H. D.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _ _
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>   寄件人︰ e-letter
>> 收件人︰ C. H. D. 副本(CC)︰ LibreOffice User 
>> Support Mailing List  傳送日期︰ 2013年02月12日 (週二) 
>> 5:53 PM
>> 主題︰ Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 60390 - FILEOPEN: Cannot open particular 
>> document
>>   On 12/02/2013, C. H. D.  wrote:
>>> Hello!
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Yes, my Microsoft Office is legal. (Just happened that many other people use
>>> it.)
>>> 
>>> 
>>> I think it is an interoperability issue.
>>> 
>> If you are very concerned about interoperability, you should be
>> contacting m$ and ask them why they cannot open odf documents created
>> using LO. Have you done this?
>> 
>>> I searched the Internet and looked for documents randomly to test if
>>> LibreOffice can open them. This is the authentic test.
>>> 
>> No, a more authentic test is to search for odf documents and compare
>> of LO and m$ opens these types of documents.
>> 
>>> If Microsoft Office opens the .doc files correctly, LibreOffice should also
>>> open them correctly.
>>> 
>> No, LO is not a m$-clone. If LO opens the odt document correctly, m$
>> should also. Have you tested this?
>> 
>>> If Microsoft went bankrupt, what office suite would be able to handle
>>> thousands of .doc files?
>>> 
>> Unlikely, but that is the fault entirely of the user that creates the
>> document in the m$ file format!!!
>> 
>> If LO, or any other odf-compliant software disappears, you can find
>> another. That is why you should be testing "interoperability" with odf
>> and not m$ formats.
>> 
>>> Then, the data in the .doc files would be lost if no other office suite was
>>> able to open them, I am afraid.
>>> 
>> I hope that happens (but a small possibility).
>> 
>>> Not many people like converting .doc files into .odt files, I am afraid.
>>> 
>> That is their choice. Start creating documents in odf!
>> 
> 
> 



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Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 60390 - FILEOPEN: Cannot open particular document

[pasqual milvaques pons]

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best regards


Al 12/02/2013 13:58, En/na pasqual milvaques pons ha escrit:
in situations like this, independently of the work to be done to make 
libreoffice capable of opening those files you can use a version of 
microsoft office which supports odf to convert the file to odt. this 
can be an effective workaround


I attach you the converted file (using microsoft office 2013). you can 
use these software to do the conversion from a shell:

http://code.officeshots.org/trac/officeshots/browser/trunk/OfficeConvert

I attach also a bat file which can help to automatize the conversion 
process


best regards


Al 12/02/2013 13:29, En/na C. H. D. ha escrit:

Hello!

Do I support LibreOffice? Yes, I do.

Let me show some positive numbers:

When I downloaded 400 .doc files, I opened 399 files in LibreOffice.

Only 1 could not be opened.

All 400 files were smaller than or equal to 692.5 KB. I started the 
testing from the smallest file to the largest file. It happened to be 
that I could not open that one file which was 692.5 KB.


I am not a Maths expert. 399/400 = 99.75%

Congratulations! This is excellent! Well done.

To make a rough conclusion, I claim in a reasonable way that 
LibreOffice can open 99.75% of the .doc files I may come across in 
future if these files are smaller than 700KB.


I do not know if these numbers are scientific enough. However, such 
information definitely helps me to say that LibreOffice 4 is really 
good!


Microsoft Office is not my area of interest, by the way. It is just 
that someone uses it. There were cases when Word could not open .doc 
files in the past. These cases are not my area of interest.


Regards,

C. H. D.






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主題︰ Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 60390 - FILEOPEN: Cannot open 
particular document

  On 12/02/2013, C. H. D.  wrote:

Hello!


Yes, my Microsoft Office is legal. (Just happened that many other 
people use

it.)


I think it is an interoperability issue.


If you are very concerned about interoperability, you should be
contacting m$ and ask them why they cannot open odf documents created
using LO. Have you done this?


I searched the Internet and looked for documents randomly to test if
LibreOffice can open them. This is the authentic test.


No, a more authentic test is to search for odf documents and compare
of LO and m$ opens these types of documents.

If Microsoft Office opens the .doc files correctly, LibreOffice 
should also

open them correctly.


No, LO is not a m$-clone. If LO opens the odt document correctly, m$
should also. Have you tested this?


If Microsoft went bankrupt, what office suite would be able to handle
thousands of .doc files?


Unlikely, but that is the fault entirely of the user that creates the
document in the m$ file format!!!

If LO, or any other odf-compliant software disappears, you can find
another. That is why you should be testing "interoperability" with odf
and not m$ formats.

Then, the data in the .doc files would be lost if no other office 
suite was

able to open them, I am afraid.


I hope that happens (but a small possibility).

Not many people like converting .doc files into .odt files, I am 
afraid.



That is their choice. Start creating documents in odf!








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Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 60390 - FILEOPEN: Cannot open particular document

[pasqual milvaques pons]

in situations like this, independently of the work to be done to make 
libreoffice capable of opening those files you can use a version of 
microsoft office which supports odf to convert the file to odt. this can 
be an effective workaround


I attach you the converted file (using microsoft office 2013). you can 
use these software to do the conversion from a shell:

http://code.officeshots.org/trac/officeshots/browser/trunk/OfficeConvert

I attach also a bat file which can help to automatize the conversion process

best regards


Al 12/02/2013 13:29, En/na C. H. D. ha escrit:

Hello!

Do I support LibreOffice? Yes, I do.

Let me show some positive numbers:

When I downloaded 400 .doc files, I opened 399 files in LibreOffice.

Only 1 could not be opened.

All 400 files were smaller than or equal to 692.5 KB. I started the testing 
from the smallest file to the largest file. It happened to be that I could not 
open that one file which was 692.5 KB.

I am not a Maths expert. 399/400 = 99.75%

Congratulations! This is excellent! Well done.

To make a rough conclusion, I claim in a reasonable way that LibreOffice can 
open 99.75% of the .doc files I may come across in future if these files are 
smaller than 700KB.

I do not know if these numbers are scientific enough. However, such information 
definitely helps me to say that LibreOffice 4 is really good!

Microsoft Office is not my area of interest, by the way. It is just that 
someone uses it. There were cases when Word could not open .doc files in the 
past. These cases are not my area of interest.

Regards,

C. H. D.


  





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On 12/02/2013, C. H. D.  wrote:

Hello!


Yes, my Microsoft Office is legal. (Just happened that many other people use
it.)


I think it is an interoperability issue.


If you are very concerned about interoperability, you should be
contacting m$ and ask them why they cannot open odf documents created
using LO. Have you done this?


I searched the Internet and looked for documents randomly to test if
LibreOffice can open them. This is the authentic test.


No, a more authentic test is to search for odf documents and compare
of LO and m$ opens these types of documents.


If Microsoft Office opens the .doc files correctly, LibreOffice should also
open them correctly.


No, LO is not a m$-clone. If LO opens the odt document correctly, m$
should also. Have you tested this?


If Microsoft went bankrupt, what office suite would be able to handle
thousands of .doc files?


Unlikely, but that is the fault entirely of the user that creates the
document in the m$ file format!!!

If LO, or any other odf-compliant software disappears, you can find
another. That is why you should be testing "interoperability" with odf
and not m$ formats.


Then, the data in the .doc files would be lost if no other office suite was
able to open them, I am afraid.


I hope that happens (but a small possibility).


Not many people like converting .doc files into .odt files, I am afraid.


That is their choice. Start creating documents in odf!




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Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 60390 - FILEOPEN: Cannot open particular document

[Mirosław Zalewski]

On 12/02/2013 at 10:53, "e-letter"  wrote:

> If LO, or any other odf-compliant software disappears, you can find
> another. 

Yeah, especially since LO default saving format incorporates number of non-
standard extensions that other ODF-compliant software will just ignore.

Don't get me wrong - I appreciate many of these extensions, as they give me 
ability to use great features not covered by ODF spec.

But I am also worried by the fact, that over thirty years after introducing 
first word processor software, we are still at a stage where documents can be 
freely exchanged only by users of the same software in the same version.
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Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 60390 - FILEOPEN: Cannot open particular document

[C. H. D.]

Hello!

Do I support LibreOffice? Yes, I do.

Let me show some positive numbers:

When I downloaded 400 .doc files, I opened 399 files in LibreOffice. 

Only 1 could not be opened.

All 400 files were smaller than or equal to 692.5 KB. I started the testing 
from the smallest file to the largest file. It happened to be that I could not 
open that one file which was 692.5 KB. 

I am not a Maths expert. 399/400 = 99.75% 

Congratulations! This is excellent! Well done. 

To make a rough conclusion, I claim in a reasonable way that LibreOffice can 
open 99.75% of the .doc files I may come across in future if these files are 
smaller than 700KB.

I do not know if these numbers are scientific enough. However, such information 
definitely helps me to say that LibreOffice 4 is really good!

Microsoft Office is not my area of interest, by the way. It is just that 
someone uses it. There were cases when Word could not open .doc files in the 
past. These cases are not my area of interest.

Regards,

C. H. D.


 




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On 12/02/2013, C. H. D.  wrote:
> Hello!
>
>
> Yes, my Microsoft Office is legal. (Just happened that many other people use
> it.)
>
>
> I think it is an interoperability issue.
>

If you are very concerned about interoperability, you should be
contacting m$ and ask them why they cannot open odf documents created
using LO. Have you done this?

> I searched the Internet and looked for documents randomly to test if
> LibreOffice can open them. This is the authentic test.
>

No, a more authentic test is to search for odf documents and compare
of LO and m$ opens these types of documents.

>
> If Microsoft Office opens the .doc files correctly, LibreOffice should also
> open them correctly.
>

No, LO is not a m$-clone. If LO opens the odt document correctly, m$
should also. Have you tested this?

>
> If Microsoft went bankrupt, what office suite would be able to handle
> thousands of .doc files?
>

Unlikely, but that is the fault entirely of the user that creates the
document in the m$ file format!!!

If LO, or any other odf-compliant software disappears, you can find
another. That is why you should be testing "interoperability" with odf
and not m$ formats.

> Then, the data in the .doc files would be lost if no other office suite was
> able to open them, I am afraid.
>

I hope that happens (but a small possibility).

> Not many people like converting .doc files into .odt files, I am afraid.
>

That is their choice. Start creating documents in odf!

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office 4

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
It would be nice if you could post a bug-report about the issue
https://wiki.documentfoundation.org/BugReport

as doing so increases the chances of people working on the issue.  In the 
process of filing the bug-report it hopefully shows a list of similat items so 
you might find someone else has alreay reported it.  If you do find someone has 
then just add a comment to try to help the devs pinpoint the problem faster.  

If you don't have time to post a bug report it might still get dealt with but 
it might take longer before people find that it's a problem.
Regards from 
Tom :)  





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> From: "cul...@earthlink.net" 
>To: users@global.libreoffice.org 
>Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013, 7:00
>Subject: [libreoffice-users] Libre Office 4
> 
>I was using 3.6+. Have been using Libre Office since it began. I downloaded 
>and installed 4 ran into a problem: the spreadsheet module does not link to 
>other software as 3.6 does. One of the the things I use the spreadsheet for is 
>to analyze certain stock market items which (in 3.6) are properly linked to an 
>investment program I use via Dynamic Data Exchange (DDE) plug-ins.
>
>Everything worked with 3.6 so I had to uninstall 4 and reinstall 3.6 in order 
>for things to properly function. Anyone know if this has been or will be 
>addressed? Thanks
>
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[libreoffice-users] Re: LO 4 documentation

[Marc Paré]

Hi Caesar,

Le 2013-02-11 17:17, Caesar a écrit :



Thank you Marc for the invitation, but I just started using LO 3.6.4 a
few months ago, and LO 4.0.0 a week or so ago, so I really don't know
much about how it works.  I'm definitely at the start of the learning
curve.   I can't imagine I would be of much help, except by making
donations, which I have already done a couple of times.

Until I learn more, I believe that is how I can be most helpful.



Many thanks for your contribution which are well appreciated. Your 
donations will be put to good use.


If you ever feel like contributing with more hands on rather than 
donations, feel free to ask here on the list or write me and I can help 
with some suggestions. We have a need for help for all kinds of talented 
people on the project, no matter what level. The amount of time our 
volunteers contribute is a little as approximately 15 minutes a week to 
x-hours; the time factor is really not an issue with the project 
volunteer-contributors.


Hope you enjoy the suite!

Cheers,

Marc


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Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 60390 - FILEOPEN: Cannot open particular document

[e-letter]

On 12/02/2013, C. H. D.  wrote:
> Hello!
>
>
> Yes, my Microsoft Office is legal. (Just happened that many other people use
> it.)
>
>
> I think it is an interoperability issue.
>

If you are very concerned about interoperability, you should be
contacting m$ and ask them why they cannot open odf documents created
using LO. Have you done this?

> I searched the Internet and looked for documents randomly to test if
> LibreOffice can open them. This is the authentic test.
>

No, a more authentic test is to search for odf documents and compare
of LO and m$ opens these types of documents.

>
> If Microsoft Office opens the .doc files correctly, LibreOffice should also
> open them correctly.
>

No, LO is not a m$-clone. If LO opens the odt document correctly, m$
should also. Have you tested this?

>
> If Microsoft went bankrupt, what office suite would be able to handle
> thousands of .doc files?
>

Unlikely, but that is the fault entirely of the user that creates the
document in the m$ file format!!!

If LO, or any other odf-compliant software disappears, you can find
another. That is why you should be testing "interoperability" with odf
and not m$ formats.

> Then, the data in the .doc files would be lost if no other office suite was
> able to open them, I am afraid.
>

I hope that happens (but a small possibility).

> Not many people like converting .doc files into .odt files, I am afraid.
>

That is their choice. Start creating documents in odf!

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Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 60390 - FILEOPEN: Cannot open particular document

[Tom Davies]

Hi :)
Doc is the older MS format and it is generally possible to open in pretty much 
any office program.  It's rare but possible to find the odd one or 2 rare cases 
that don't open fairly perfectly.  Those rare cases probably open slightly 
differently in different office programs so try AbiWord, google-docs, 
KOffice/Caligra or anything else.  Of course MS had to move away from that 
format for various reasons, perhaps such as 
1.  security issues had been widely reported over the years
2.  why would people pay to upgrade to the newer version of their office 
program if there current one or free ones worked?  
Any MS format is likely to suffer from interoperability issues because of that 
2nd alleged reason.  Remember Rtf and the infamous court case?  

DocX is the newer MS format and even MS Office has troubles with it.  A 
document written in MSO 2007 is unlikely to look quite right in MSO 2010 or 
2013 or 365 and vice-versa.  You are kinda pushed into finding out what most 
other people are using and then buying that version.  It gets worse.  According 
to the MS installer for MSO 2010 a document created in MSO 2010 on Xp will 
probably look different in MSO 2010 on Win7.  

So, if you want to share documents or archive them to read some day in the 
future then the best bet for most people right now is to save in the older MS 
format.  The one that has been  known to have security problems over the years. 
 

However, Odt is being used more and more often.  MSO 2010 used the older 
version despite everyone else using the newer one so documents didn't always 
look quite right.  MSO 2013 has promised to use the 1.2 version that everyone 
else has been using for years.  It's more reliable because it's not dependant 
on the whims of just 1 company and many companies get together to agree on it.  

MS is unlikely to go bankrupt any time soon.  The greater danger is that they 
keep 'accidentally' not quite implementing formats in they way that they 
promise through their ISO standards agreements or documentation.  It's 
allegedly why Rtf failed according to the court case.  

The other inevitable problem is that any editable document will look diffeent 
on different machines anyway.  Different default printers, different 
paper-sizes, perhaps screen-resolution (unlikely) and a whole slew of other 
variables all affect the way text flows on a document.  

The standard answer is to send a Pdf along with the editable version.  

Btw the English phrase "I'm afraid" should only be used sparingly and never by 
a fearless user of OpenSource.  Stay smug and aloof.  Let people continue to 
use whatever cr#$£*p they are determined to use but just sometimes let them 
know when their documents are likely to or already have failed.  If you can 
install LibreOffice without them being unhappy and without it potentially 
getting you in trouble then do.  

Once the programs that can handle ODF are out there then it's easier to get 
people to use the format.  
Regards from
Tom :)  





>
> From: C. H. D. 
>To: LibreOffice User Support Mailing List  
>Sent: Tuesday, 12 February 2013, 7:27
>Subject: Re: [libreoffice-users] Bug 60390 - FILEOPEN: Cannot open particular 
>document
> 
>Hello!
>
> 
>Yes, my Microsoft Office is legal. (Just happened that many other people use 
>it.)
>
>
>I think it is an interoperability issue.
>
>I searched the Internet and looked for documents randomly to test if 
>LibreOffice can open them. This is the authentic test.
>
>
>I cannot contact the author since the document was downloaded randomly.
>
>
>If Microsoft Office opens the .doc files correctly, LibreOffice should also 
>open them correctly.
>
>
>If Microsoft went bankrupt, what office suite would be able to handle 
>thousands of .doc files?
>
>Then, the data in the .doc files would be lost if no other office suite was 
>able to open them, I am afraid.
>
>Not many people like converting .doc files into .odt files, I am afraid.
>
>
>Regards,
>
>C. H. D. 
>
>
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>document
>
>On 11/02/2013, C. H. D.  wrote:
>>
>>
>> Hello!
>>
>>
>> I cannot open a particular file in LibreOffice, but I can open it in
>> Microsoft Office.
>>
>
>Good for you; your copy of m$ is legal?
>>
>> I would appreciate it if you take a look.
>>
>>
>> https://bugs.freedesktop.org/show_bug.cgi?id=60390
>>
>
>Not a bug, unless the original document was created in odf. Did you
>contact the author and explain that the document cannot be opened in
>LO? What did the author say?
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