Re: WAS : Kinda OT: Email clients.... ( Now Forwarders)

[Tim via users]

On Mon, 2022-02-14 at 08:23 -0600, c. marlow wrote:
> I am wanting to know, would gmail start considering all mail from my
> domain as spam if it occasionally puts a piece of mail in the spam
> folder? Or is DirectAdmin keeping the headers like they are and just
> redirecting the email to me?

Few people *know* how gmail works internally, and as things get
discovered, things get changed.  So, there's no real answer to that.

Public wisdom (if you can use such a term) suggests that you add any
addresses to its contacts list that you don't want gmail to think might
be spam.  You should also be able to train mail systems with some kind
of "this is not spam" button on messages you want it to know are not
spam.
 
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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[Tim via users]

Tim:
>> Manual, what manual?  Ha!  I just pressed F1 for help, it opened my
>> web browser to:  https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/3.28
>> Giving me:
>>
>>  Not Found
>>  The requested URL /users/evolution/3.28 was not found on this
>>  server.

Patrick O'Callaghan:
> Recall that Evolution is available on multiple distros and that the
> Evo list is not restricted to Fedora. The Help docs are often in a
> separate package. For Fedora, it's "evolution-help".


That may be, but *it* tried to access its own manual over the internet
and got that response.  Sure, I can knock 3.28 of the end of the URI
and find a manual, but what I find is still little more than a power
point presentation kind of thing, not an actual explanatory manual.  
And if I install the Help package, I get the same useless thing in a
Gnome help window.

We'd never be able to use Apache if their manual was as useless as
Evolution's (likewise for many other software).


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Re: Hotkeys to switch consoles disabled

[Samuel Sieb]

On 2/11/22 16:51, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 12/02/2022 07:22, Lists wrote:
On Fedora 35, running KDE desktop, I noticed that I cannot switch to 
another
console with Ctl+Alt+F[1-9] as I have on other desktops. I presume 
this has

something to do with the switch to Wayland?

Is there a way to restore this functionality?


Running F35 and using KDE/Xorg on bare metal.

No problems.  Ctl+Alt+F2 is the GUI.  Ctl+Alt+F3 brings up a terminal 
session. And switching back to the GUI terminal works

fine.

In a Wayland session in a F35 VM Ctl+Alt+F3 brings up a terminal 
session.  But, switching badk to the GUI terminal fails in
it comes back with a black screen.  No clue how to get around that.  I 
can't try this on bare metal at the moment.  Sorry.


I don't have any problem with switching back with Gnome Wayland. 
Although apparently xdg-desktop-portal-gtk didn't like me switching and 
I got an abrt report for it.  It doesn't seem to have affected anything.

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Re: Kernel crash every day at 6:30am

[Alex]

Hi,

> >> Here's a bit of the kernel message from dmesg
> >> [ cut here ]
> >> WARNING: CPU: 4 PID: 633983 at kernel/exit.c:739 do_exit+0x37/0xa90
> >> general protection fault, probably for non-canonical address
> >> 0xcc2a8cfcb62a56a1:  [#1] SMP PTI
> >> CPU: 4 PID: 633983 Comm: rsync Not tainted 5.14.18-200.fc34.x86_64 #1
> >> Hardware name: To be filled by O.E.M. To be filled by O.E.M./P8B-M
> >> Series, BIOS 6801 05/07/2018
> >> RIP: 0010:__bio_crypt_clone+0x28/0x60
> >
> >
> > bio_crypt_clone suggests something wrong in an encrypted block device.
> > Maybe corrupt data that rsync traverses during the backup?
> >
> > What does the output of "lsblk" look like for your system?  What about 
> > "lvs"?
>
> This is worth tossing into bugzilla, for "kernel", notwithstanding abrt's
> reluctance in dealing with it.

It's now gone two days without it having happened again, so I've
rebooted and will watch it over the coming days. Here's also the
output from lsblk and an fsck run.

I've also added a -v to the rsync backup script.

# fsck /dev/md2 -r -C
fsck from util-linux 2.36.2
e2fsck 1.45.6 (20-Mar-2020)
/dev/md2: clean, 26678858/274702336 files, 1534551536/2197600512 blocks
/dev/md2: status 0, rss 11532, real 2.183027, user 1.455968, sys 0.009868

# lsblk
NAME  MAJ:MIN RM   SIZE RO TYPE  MOUNTPOINT
sda 8:00   2.7T  0 disk
└─sda1  8:10   2.7T  0 part
  └─md2 9:20   8.2T  0 raid5 /var/backup
sdb 8:16   0  55.9G  0 disk
├─sdb1  8:17   0  51.8G  0 part
│ └─md127   9:127  0  51.8G  0 raid1 /
├─sdb2  8:18   0   501M  0 part
│ └─md126   9:126  0 500.7M  0 raid1 /boot
├─sdb3  8:19   096M  0 part
│ └─md125   9:125  0  95.9M  0 raid1 /boot/efi
└─sdb4  8:20   0   3.5G  0 part  [SWAP]
sdc 8:32   0   2.7T  0 disk
└─sdc1  8:33   0   2.7T  0 part
  └─md2 9:20   8.2T  0 raid5 /var/backup
sdd 8:48   0  55.9G  0 disk
├─sdd1  8:49   0  51.8G  0 part
│ └─md127   9:127  0  51.8G  0 raid1 /
├─sdd2  8:50   0   501M  0 part
│ └─md126   9:126  0 500.7M  0 raid1 /boot
├─sdd3  8:51   096M  0 part
│ └─md125   9:125  0  95.9M  0 raid1 /boot/efi
└─sdd4  8:52   0   3.5G  0 part  [SWAP]
sde 8:64   0   2.7T  0 disk
└─sde1  8:65   0   2.7T  0 part
  └─md2 9:20   8.2T  0 raid5 /var/backup
sdf 8:80   0   3.6T  0 disk
└─sdf1  8:81   0   3.6T  0 part
  └─md2 9:20   8.2T  0 raid5 /var/backup
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Re: Bad workloads for RAID0?

[Chris Murphy]

On Sat, Feb 12, 2022 at 8:32 AM Jamie Fargen  wrote:
>
> Not familiar with DejaDup, but with this setup on RAID0 do an rsync every 15 
> minutes to the backup system.

rsync has some advantages: destination does not need to be btrfs, the
--inplace option for VM images

But for such very frequent backups, it's more like a replication use
case. And btrfs send/receive is very efficient at this because unlike
rsync, no deep traversal is required of either the source or
destination. Btrfs will increment the generation anytime a file is
modified, and the generation of the leaf the inode is contained in,
and the node the leaf is referenced in, all the way up to the file
tree root. This makes it very cheap when doing a diff between two
snapshots, for btrfs to figure out what has changed without having to
look at every inode. It just skips all the parts of the tree that
haven't changed, in effect it creates a "replay" list between the two
generations. An incremental send contains just the changes, and that
includes knowing when files are renamed or moved, so their data
doesn't need to be sent again.

So if you were to change just one file in 15 minutes, a btrfs send -p
stream (an incremental stream produced as a "diff" between two
snapshots) and receive will take a few seconds, even if the snapshot
contains millions of files. There'd be a straight line following the
nodes and leaves with the incremented generation leading straight to
the only changed file.

(You could use 'btrfs send -f' and place the stream as a file on a
non-btrfs file system. But you can't really look inside of it like a
snapshot received on a btrfs file system.)

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Re: exfat vs fuseblk

[George N. White III]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 at 19:16, Paolo Galtieri  wrote:

> I have several external disk drives from the same vendor.  According to
> the vendor recent drives are formatted exfat while prior ones where
> formatted ntfs.  According to what I find on the web file system type
> fuseblk should work for both exfat and nfts. I have a new 12TB drive and
> when I plug it in mate-system-monitor reports it as type exfat not fuseblk.
>

Microsoft open-sourced exFAT under GPL2 and it was accepted in the 5.4
kernel:
https://cloudblogs.microsoft.com/opensource/2019/08/28/exfat-linux-kernel/

Samsung contributed exFAT to the 5.9 kernel:
exFAT File-System

Performance
On Linux 5.9 - Phoronix



>
> What determines whether a file system type is reported as exfat, ntfs,
> or fuseblk?

fuseblk is report if the kernel driver for the filesystem isn't installed
or is blacklisted.

If the drive is formatted exFAT, it won't be mounted as ntfs.  If your
kernel
has one of the exFAT drivers and it isn't blacklisted, it should be used in
preference to fuseblk.

>
>
> The drive works fine and is accessible from F34, I'm just curious why
> mate-system-monitor does not report it as type fuseblk.
>
>
Note that some operations give poor performance with the exFAT
kernel driver.  I assume people are working to improve exFAT
performance -- the usual trajectory is first get it right, then get it
fast.

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Re: exfat vs fuseblk

[Samuel Sieb]

On 2/14/22 15:15, Paolo Galtieri wrote:
I have several external disk drives from the same vendor.  According to 
the vendor recent drives are formatted exfat while prior ones where 
formatted ntfs.  According to what I find on the web file system type 
fuseblk should work for both exfat and nfts. I have a new 12TB drive and 
when I plug it in mate-system-monitor reports it as type exfat not fuseblk.


What determines whether a file system type is reported as exfat, ntfs, 
or fuseblk?


Whether it's reported as exfat or ntfs depends on what filesystem is on 
the drive.


The drive works fine and is accessible from F34, I'm just curious why 
mate-system-monitor does not report it as type fuseblk.


fuseblk isn't a filesystem type.  That's what the mount command shows 
for a filesystem that is accessed through a fuse driver.  exfat has a 
kernel driver, so it doesn't use fuse, but ntfs does.


/root/ntfs.img on /mnt type fuseblk
/root/exfat.img on /mnt type exfat
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Re: Fedora friendly blue tooth transceiver?

[George N. White III]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 at 15:50, Samuel Sieb  wrote:

> On 2/10/22 04:24, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:
> > Anyone have a favorite Fedora friendly blue tooth
> > transceiver?
>
> I don't have a favorite, but I also haven't found any that don't work.
> The most recent one I got was a couple of years ago for accessing BLE
> devices.  I kind of randomly picked one and it worked perfectly.
> https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32769561310.html is the one I got.
>

Cheap devices often change their internals more often than their
descriptions on web sites.  I've had two identical appearing USB
devices from one order that had very different internals.

I've had good experiences with devices from Plugable.   Note that
USB3 can create RF interference that affects BTLE, so it is best to
use a USB2 port.

Newer laptops typically use a combined WiFi +bluetooth card.  You
might consider upgrading the internal card if it has and old bluetooth
chip.   There are lots of good wifi+BT cards pulled from name-brand
laptops as large enterprises upgrade to wifi6 (anticipating a return
to open plan elbows up workspaces) available these days.

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Re: Non-https site for opening up proxy

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 2/14/22 19:17, Richard wrote:



Date: Monday, February 14, 2022 17:25:36 -0500
From: Robert Moskowitz 

Now FF insists on changing the url to https and I can't open the
firewall proxy.  I have to fiddle around until I can send the plan
http url

This is not the default FF setting. The fedora FF release (currently
97.0), as well as the current production release directly from
mozilla.org (also 97.0) and the centos (91.5.0esr) version, defaults
to "Don't enable HTTPS-Only Mode" on the Privacy & Security settings
page. There are two https-only options, but the user has to make that
change/selection (or install an https-only addon) to get https-only
mode.


I am using what is defaults, but that is not enough:

It does not seem to me a matter of https-only.  rather, since the site 
is https, but will accept http, then force back to https, Firefox 
'remembers' that the site really wants https, and so does that even when 
you explicitly enter http://url.


Sometimes, in the recommendations list for completion, you will see the 
http:// option and sometimes that works.


neverssl.com is a site that helps with this, as many places, like 
hotels, need a non-https connection first.


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Re: Non-https site for opening up proxy

[Richard]

> Date: Monday, February 14, 2022 17:25:36 -0500
> From: Robert Moskowitz 
>
> Now FF insists on changing the url to https and I can't open the
> firewall proxy.  I have to fiddle around until I can send the plan
> http url

This is not the default FF setting. The fedora FF release (currently
97.0), as well as the current production release directly from
mozilla.org (also 97.0) and the centos (91.5.0esr) version, defaults
to "Don't enable HTTPS-Only Mode" on the Privacy & Security settings
page. There are two https-only options, but the user has to make that
change/selection (or install an https-only addon) to get https-only
mode.

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exfat vs fuseblk

[Paolo Galtieri]

I have several external disk drives from the same vendor.  According to 
the vendor recent drives are formatted exfat while prior ones where 
formatted ntfs.  According to what I find on the web file system type 
fuseblk should work for both exfat and nfts. I have a new 12TB drive and 
when I plug it in mate-system-monitor reports it as type exfat not fuseblk.


What determines whether a file system type is reported as exfat, ntfs, 
or fuseblk?


The drive works fine and is accessible from F34, I'm just curious why 
mate-system-monitor does not report it as type fuseblk.


Any help is appreciated.

Paolo
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Re: Fedora friendly blue tooth transceiver?

[ToddAndMargo via users]

On 2/14/22 14:34, Ed Greshko wrote:

On 15/02/2022 03:50, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 2/10/22 04:24, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Anyone have a favorite Fedora friendly blue tooth
transceiver?


I don't have a favorite, but I also haven't found any that don't work. 
The most recent one I got was a couple of years ago for accessing BLE 
devices.  I kind of randomly picked one and it worked perfectly.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32769561310.html is the one I got.


The only time I found a dongle that didn't work was about, maybe, 2 
years ago.  The dongle was BT V5.0.  It was listed as
certified at bluetooth.com.  I wrote a BZ at kernel.org and at some 
point it started working after a kernel update.  I didn't

investigate to find which kernel started to support the device.

I just buy locally here here in Taiwan.  The one thing all my dongles 
have in common is that that use chips from

Cambridge Silicon Radio.  And they all work without trouble.



Thank you guys!
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Solved - Re: Non-https site for opening up proxy

[Robert Moskowitz]

http://neverssl.com

:)

On 2/14/22 17:25, Robert Moskowitz wrote:
My firewall proxy requires an initial http connection to set up a 
session.  After that, https works.


In past Firefox, I could put in a http url, even though the site 
requires https.  Firefox would leave it alone and the proxy 
intercepts, presents the login dialog and everything is fine.


Now FF insists on changing the url to https and I can't open the 
firewall proxy.  I have to fiddle around until I can send the plan 
http url


Does anyone know of a public site that is NOT https so I can use that 
URL as my initial access?


URGH!!!

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Re: Fedora friendly blue tooth transceiver?

[Ed Greshko]

On 15/02/2022 03:50, Samuel Sieb wrote:

On 2/10/22 04:24, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Anyone have a favorite Fedora friendly blue tooth
transceiver?


I don't have a favorite, but I also haven't found any that don't work. The most 
recent one I got was a couple of years ago for accessing BLE devices.  I kind 
of randomly picked one and it worked perfectly.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32769561310.html is the one I got.


The only time I found a dongle that didn't work was about, maybe, 2 years ago.  
The dongle was BT V5.0.  It was listed as
certified at bluetooth.com.  I wrote a BZ at kernel.org and at some point it 
started working after a kernel update.  I didn't
investigate to find which kernel started to support the device.

I just buy locally here here in Taiwan.  The one thing all my dongles have in 
common is that that use chips from
Cambridge Silicon Radio.  And they all work without trouble.

--
Did 황준호 die?
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Non-https site for opening up proxy

[Robert Moskowitz]

My firewall proxy requires an initial http connection to set up a 
session.  After that, https works.


In past Firefox, I could put in a http url, even though the site 
requires https.  Firefox would leave it alone and the proxy intercepts, 
presents the login dialog and everything is fine.


Now FF insists on changing the url to https and I can't open the 
firewall proxy.  I have to fiddle around until I can send the plan http url


Does anyone know of a public site that is NOT https so I can use that 
URL as my initial access?


URGH!!!

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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[Slade Watkins]

On Fri, Feb 11, 2022, at 1:15 PM, fed...@cwm030.com wrote:
> And It's getting harder and harder for me to hop around and try new 
> email clients out when they come out being a..GET READY TO 
> CRINGE. POP3 user.

AHH CRINGE... haha.

>
> I thought about making the change to IMAP, but old habits die hard. I 
> find myself when I set up or try a new email client, I wind up setting 
> it up as POP3...
>
> So I am just curious if there is any POP users still out there

Haha, haha, nope. Switched away years ago... never looked back.

>
> And what are some pros and cons switching to IMAP?

For me, I switched operating systems and user interfaces all the time, and I 
really want everything email-wise to be in sync no matter what I'm using 
because I work primarily by email. Especially now that I use Fastmail, which 
uses JMAP on its webmail, I need something that's got some level of 
compatibility with that. I'm basically just trying to cut down on extra work. 
If you're used to POP3 or only access your email on that device, or on one 
platform, go for it. It's just not my cup of tea personally.

>
> And what program do you use on Fedora for your email?

When I use Fedora, I generally run Thunderbird with flowed text turned off, 
wrapped text set to 0, and signature separator (--) suppressed) 

Slade
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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[c. marlow]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 13:21:37 -0600
Ranjan Maitra  wrote:
 
> I had similar issues with IMAP (for 2-3 hours) when I tried to move
> to IMAP on a whim, and then, discretion being the better part of
> valor, moved right back to POP3.
> 
> I am pretty certain that I was not using IMAP correctly, but decided
> to stick to POP3 because it served my needs. I leave e-mail on the
> server because I pull it from several places, and then I use rsync
> between the machines to keep all my local mails in sync. Serves my
> needs well and I am pretty happy about it.


It's tempting!!!

Chris
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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[c. marlow]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 20:32:58 +0100
wwp  wrote:
> If you find CM slow here, don't try TB! ;-)
> 
> 
> [snip]


It's not Claws thats slow, its IMAP. 






> TB has support for the MH file format. This has to be tuned when you
> create the account. Search the web!


And is still currently considered in development and are advised to NOT
use that format for right now in TB unless you know how to fix problems
that come up while using the MH format in TB. 

Chris
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Re: Fedora friendly blue tooth transceiver?

[Samuel Sieb]

On 2/10/22 04:24, ToddAndMargo via users wrote:

Anyone have a favorite Fedora friendly blue tooth
transceiver?


I don't have a favorite, but I also haven't found any that don't work. 
The most recent one I got was a couple of years ago for accessing BLE 
devices.  I kind of randomly picked one and it worked perfectly.

https://www.aliexpress.com/item/32769561310.html is the one I got.
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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[wwp]

Hi Chris,


On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 10:01:31 -0600 "c. marlow"  wrote:

> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 10:43:07 -0500
> Robert Moskowitz  wrote:
> 
>  
> > IMAP is just more functional than POP ever was with better security 
> > features; though Peter Resnick of Qualcomm would regal us with
> > stories of maintaining Eudora for their CEO for years after there
> > were other better choices, but he started on Eudora, and it was
> > Qualcomm's product and he was going to keep using it...  Worked for
> > me!  
> 
> 
> I noticed that IMAP is SLOWW because Claws
> checks every folder for new mail, when my email is only filtered when
> I launch Claws. 

If you find CM slow here, don't try TB! ;-)


[snip]
> > I switched all those years ago from Eudora to Thunderbird, still POP.
> > There was a nice utility to convert Eudora mail folders to that used
> > by Thunderbird.  In fact just last year an old friend was FINALLY
> > getting of Eudora and asked if anyone knew how, so I dug the program
> > out of my archives for him.
> > 
> > Over all these years I have been using Thunderbird with all its
> > warts. But then really they all have warts.
> >   
> 
> I don't think that I could use TB... I like the MH file format, less
> chance of corruption. 
[snip]

TB has support for the MH file format. This has to be tuned when you
create the account. Search the web!


Regards,

-- 
wwp
https://useplaintext.email/


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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[Ranjan Maitra]

On Mon Feb14'22 01:10:27PM, c. marlow wrote:
> From: "c. marlow" 
> Date: Mon, 14 Feb 2022 13:10:27 -0600
> To: users@lists.fedoraproject.org
> Reply-To: Community support for Fedora users 
> Subject: Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management
>
> Well.. I am reaping what I sew...
>
> I am starting to regret the change to IMAP.
>
> I just told Claws to move two emails from my cell phone company to
> another folder / label whatever you want to call it.. And the emails
> are not in that folder.
>
> I even went online to gmail.com and did a search for 2 words that were
> in the subject line.. POOF...GONE No where to be found.

I had similar issues with IMAP (for 2-3 hours) when I tried to move to IMAP on 
a whim, and then, discretion being the better part of valor, moved right back 
to POP3.

I am pretty certain that I was not using IMAP correctly, but decided to stick 
to POP3 because it served my needs. I leave e-mail on the server because I pull 
it from several places, and then I use rsync between the machines to keep all 
my local mails in sync. Serves my needs well and I am pretty happy about it.

Best wishes,
Ranjan
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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[c. marlow]

Well.. I am reaping what I sew...

I am starting to regret the change to IMAP.

I just told Claws to move two emails from my cell phone company to
another folder / label whatever you want to call it.. And the emails
are not in that folder. 

I even went online to gmail.com and did a search for 2 words that were
in the subject line.. POOF...GONE No where to be found. 

Chris
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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[c. marlow]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 17:32:30 +
Patrick O'Callaghan  wrote:

> On Mon, 2022-02-14 at 10:01 -0600, c. marlow wrote:
> > I noticed that IMAP is SLOWW because
> > Claws
> > checks every folder for new mail, when my email is only filtered
> > when I launch Claws.   
> 
> Checking every folder not a property of IMAP but of how you choose to
> access it.
> 
> poc


No lie... Claws does go down the line and checks every folder when you
set the account up.


Chris
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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 2/14/22 11:59, c. marlow wrote:

On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 11:48:47 -0500
Robert Moskowitz  wrote:
  

I only check my inbox for new mail.  I don't use any sieves or other
tools to move incoming mail to specific folders, and I leave that to
Thunderbird.  Actually I have no special folders on the server.  All
filtered mail is moved to local folders.

I tried that and it seemed like Claws wasn't moving everything to the
local folders.. But, I think that was my mistake though.. I used the
MOVE command instead of COPY command.


ALL my filter rules use move, rarely copy.




So I wound up changing my filters to

IF: ALL MAIL to DOMAIN ACCOUNT

COPY TO >> ChristophersMail ( That's my local MH folders )





I switched all those years ago from Eudora to Thunderbird, still
POP. There was a nice utility to convert Eudora mail folders to
that used by Thunderbird.  In fact just last year an old friend
was FINALLY getting of Eudora and asked if anyone knew how, so I
dug the program out of my archives for him.


Actually, if in the previous paragraph you said you don't have any
special folders on the mail server, but your emails are moved to the
local folders, that basically means you have your account set up as
IMAP and then a rule set up to copy or move the emails from the IMAP
server to LOCAL FOLDERS? Right?


Yes.  I rather like having them local.  Works nicely when I would be 
flying and needed my mail.  I suppose I could have kept everything both 
on the server and local server copy, but then I only use the one 
notebook.  I rarely need to access mail from another system. Then I use 
Roundcube on my server and only have inbox and sent.





Only corruptions I have had for years has been in the index.  These
are easily rebuilt when they go bad.

Ohh... I've had TB lose my email 2 or 3 times... I don't trust TB...
But that was after a nuke and pave and restoring my email back in
/home.


So far has not happened and I try that it doesn't!

And been using TB since back before Fedora, when I ran Centos on my 
notebook...


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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2022-02-14 at 10:01 -0600, c. marlow wrote:
> I noticed that IMAP is SLOWW because
> Claws
> checks every folder for new mail, when my email is only filtered when
> I launch Claws. 

Checking every folder not a property of IMAP but of how you choose to
access it.

poc
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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2022-02-14 at 08:02 -0600, c. marlow wrote:
> On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 15:00:20 +1100
> Cameron Simpson  wrote:
>  
> > For those liking IMAP, there are definitely tools to keep your IMAP
> > in sync with a local set of folders, allowing local email and also
> > IMAP access.
> > 
> 
> I am a Linux N00B.
> 
> I would love to know how to keep a copy of emails locally.
> 
> My Claws-Mail MH offline storage folders ( back when I was a POP
> user)
> currently stands at 720.3 Megs going all the way back to 2016! 

On Evolution, this is a per-folder setting. You right-click on the
folder and select "Copy folder content locally for offline access".

There's also a separate per-account setting: "Synchronize remote mail
locally for all folders".

poc
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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[c. marlow]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 11:48:47 -0500
Robert Moskowitz  wrote:
 
> I only check my inbox for new mail.  I don't use any sieves or other 
> tools to move incoming mail to specific folders, and I leave that to 
> Thunderbird.  Actually I have no special folders on the server.  All 
> filtered mail is moved to local folders.

I tried that and it seemed like Claws wasn't moving everything to the
local folders.. But, I think that was my mistake though.. I used the
MOVE command instead of COPY command.


So I wound up changing my filters to

IF: ALL MAIL to DOMAIN ACCOUNT

COPY TO >> ChristophersMail ( That's my local MH folders ) 




> >> I switched all those years ago from Eudora to Thunderbird, still
> >> POP. There was a nice utility to convert Eudora mail folders to
> >> that used by Thunderbird.  In fact just last year an old friend
> >> was FINALLY getting of Eudora and asked if anyone knew how, so I
> >> dug the program out of my archives for him.


Actually, if in the previous paragraph you said you don't have any
special folders on the mail server, but your emails are moved to the
local folders, that basically means you have your account set up as
IMAP and then a rule set up to copy or move the emails from the IMAP
server to LOCAL FOLDERS? Right? 



> Only corruptions I have had for years has been in the index.  These
> are easily rebuilt when they go bad.

Ohh... I've had TB lose my email 2 or 3 times... I don't trust TB...
But that was after a nuke and pave and restoring my email back in
/home. 


Chris

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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 2/14/22 11:01, c. marlow wrote:

On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 10:43:07 -0500
Robert Moskowitz  wrote:

  

IMAP is just more functional than POP ever was with better security
features; though Peter Resnick of Qualcomm would regal us with
stories of maintaining Eudora for their CEO for years after there
were other better choices, but he started on Eudora, and it was
Qualcomm's product and he was going to keep using it...  Worked for
me!


I noticed that IMAP is SLOWW because Claws
checks every folder for new mail, when my email is only filtered when
I launch Claws.

I did find a way to right click on a folder and go to properties and
uncheck " CHECK FOR MAIL"... So basically Claws skips over checking
that folder for new mail.



I only check my inbox for new mail.  I don't use any sieves or other 
tools to move incoming mail to specific folders, and I leave that to 
Thunderbird.  Actually I have no special folders on the server.  All 
filtered mail is moved to local folders.





I switched all those years ago from Eudora to Thunderbird, still POP.
There was a nice utility to convert Eudora mail folders to that used
by Thunderbird.  In fact just last year an old friend was FINALLY
getting of Eudora and asked if anyone knew how, so I dug the program
out of my archives for him.

Over all these years I have been using Thunderbird with all its
warts. But then really they all have warts.


I don't think that I could use TB... I like the MH file format, less
chance of corruption.


Only corruptions I have had for years has been in the index.  These are 
easily rebuilt when they go bad.





Oh and just updated my wife from Thunderbird on XP to Thunderbird on
Win10, and she is complaining on how things are different...


Good lordYour wife was still using Windows XP and had XP hooked up
to the internet?


And what it took to get some of her apps working!  But she was never 
really "connected".  She is behind 2 firewalls and only opens graphics 
and other attachments from known sources, and then Comodo filtered for 
checking content.  For her limited web access, she is behind a proxy 
firewall and really does very little online.  Just not her 
interest/style; I do almost all the family online shopping from my 
Fedora system.  Actually it was the need to get a newer Firefox to run 
embedded code from some banking sites that finally forced the hand for 
her to be willing to update!


She is complaining about loosing the XP Search app.  It is her go-to 
tool to find whatever doc she needs to work on.  File Manager search is 
just strange.  "Why do I have to put asterisks in my search string.  I 
never had to do that before!"  And don't get me started on the Windows 
10 default picture program(s).  I am going to have to search around and 
see if I can get something worth her time to use. I spent over an hour 
Sunday, getting a bunch of pics printed as she wanted them; got to be a 
better tool than what M$ supplies (I use gthumb for most of my pic 
printing).


And what it took me to turn off all the M$ ad stuff all over the 
desktop.  "We own you..."  Of course turning off Firefox and google ad 
stuff, even with Adblock Plus was a pain.


At least Office 2003 installed OK.  ;)

But Noteworthy Composer setup just would not run.  It is a Win98 (or was 
that Win95?) app that is her main use app for her tutoring. Finally I 
worked out I could just copy the whole program folder for the XP system 
over to the Win10 system and it works.  Whew!  She never wanted to learn 
the new version's methods even when we moved to XP!  "Works well enough 
for me."



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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[c. marlow]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 10:43:07 -0500
Robert Moskowitz  wrote:

 
> IMAP is just more functional than POP ever was with better security 
> features; though Peter Resnick of Qualcomm would regal us with
> stories of maintaining Eudora for their CEO for years after there
> were other better choices, but he started on Eudora, and it was
> Qualcomm's product and he was going to keep using it...  Worked for
> me!


I noticed that IMAP is SLOWW because Claws
checks every folder for new mail, when my email is only filtered when
I launch Claws. 

I did find a way to right click on a folder and go to properties and
uncheck " CHECK FOR MAIL"... So basically Claws skips over checking
that folder for new mail. 




> I switched all those years ago from Eudora to Thunderbird, still POP.
> There was a nice utility to convert Eudora mail folders to that used
> by Thunderbird.  In fact just last year an old friend was FINALLY
> getting of Eudora and asked if anyone knew how, so I dug the program
> out of my archives for him.
> 
> Over all these years I have been using Thunderbird with all its
> warts. But then really they all have warts.
> 

I don't think that I could use TB... I like the MH file format, less
chance of corruption. 



> Oh and just updated my wife from Thunderbird on XP to Thunderbird on 
> Win10, and she is complaining on how things are different...
> 

Good lordYour wife was still using Windows XP and had XP hooked up
to the internet? 


Chris
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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[Robert Moskowitz]

On 2/11/22 13:15, fed...@cwm030.com wrote:
Hi Ya'll,  > > I know that there are, to me, seems like A LOT of email clients 
for > the linux world. > > And It's getting harder and harder for me to 
hop around and try new > email clients out when they come out being 
a..GET READY TO > CRINGE. POP3 user. > > Last week I tried 
TDE ( Trinity Desktop ) on Debian. and decided to > give KMAIL a try... 
Big mistake... Importing my email into KMAIL > caused the emails names 
to be changed from numbers ( because I used > Claws before) to this 
weird string of letters and numbers. Therefore, > I could not import my 
email back to CLAWS since I gave up and > returned to Fedora and Gnome 
3. > > I plan on staying with Fedora and Gnome 3. > > I thought about 
making the change to IMAP, but old habits die hard. I > find myself when 
I set up or try a new email client, I wind up > setting it up as POP3... 
> > So I am just curious if there is any POP users still out there > > 
And what are some pros and cons switching to IMAP? > > And what program 
do you use on Fedora for your email?
Chris, as one of the contributors to IMAP, it still took me years to 
make the jump and I am glad I did.


IMAP is just more functional than POP ever was with better security 
features; though Peter Resnick of Qualcomm would regal us with stories 
of maintaining Eudora for their CEO for years after there were other 
better choices, but he started on Eudora, and it was Qualcomm's product 
and he was going to keep using it...  Worked for me!


I switched all those years ago from Eudora to Thunderbird, still POP.  
There was a nice utility to convert Eudora mail folders to that used by 
Thunderbird.  In fact just last year an old friend was FINALLY getting 
of Eudora and asked if anyone knew how, so I dug the program out of my 
archives for him.


Over all these years I have been using Thunderbird with all its warts.  
But then really they all have warts.


Oh and just updated my wife from Thunderbird on XP to Thunderbird on 
Win10, and she is complaining on how things are different...


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Re: RE : Does it is better to '''python3 -m install the_program''' instead '''pip3 install the_program" when it is missing in the downloader primary ?

[Dorian ROSSE]

This is interesting but I prefer python 3 like this :

python3 -m pip install --user 

Your insights is good,

Thanks you,

Regards.


Dorian Rosse.

From: Aristeidis Dimitriadis 
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Subject: Re: RE : Does it is better to '''python3 -m install the_program''' 
instead '''pip3 install the_program" when it is missing in the downloader 
primary ?

On 12/02/2022 00:19, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
> This is interesting but i am in using of python for the way of
> dependency finaly i need to install dependency i don’t need in virtual,
>
> Regards.
>
> Dorian ROSSE.
>

Not sure what it is your are trying to do. If you want to run a program
NOT provided as an RPM that has a Python dependency that is also NOT
packaged as an RPM, then, using the same user as the one that will
execute the program, run:

python -m pip install --user 

This is installed in $HOME/.local/lib/ and is accessible
to every python program run by that user.
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Re: RE : Does it is better to '''python3 -m install the_program''' instead '''pip3 install the_program" when it is missing in the downloader primary ?

[Aristeidis Dimitriadis]

On 12/02/2022 00:19, Dorian ROSSE wrote:
This is interesting but i am in using of python for the way of 
dependency finaly i need to install dependency i don’t need in virtual,


Regards.

Dorian ROSSE.



Not sure what it is your are trying to do. If you want to run a program 
NOT provided as an RPM that has a Python dependency that is also NOT 
packaged as an RPM, then, using the same user as the one that will 
execute the program, run:


python -m pip install --user 

This is installed in $HOME/.local/lib/ and is accessible 
to every python program run by that user.

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WAS : Kinda OT: Email clients.... ( Now Forwarders)

[c. marlow]

I am also wondering about this:

I have a web hosting package that offers email the works:

Website, FTP, Email, etc

I have my email set up to Forward via the Direct Admin panel to a Gmail
address. 

You open the Direct Admin panel

Then you click the " Fowarders" icon

and I hit CREATE FORWARDER


And then I set the forwards up like:

email address: fed...@cwm030.com

Destination: EMAIL

and then added the gmail address I want my mail forwarded to


I just got a piece of spam mail that it looks like the forwarder caught
it first before Spam Assassin caught it and it was forwarded to me and
GMAIL caught it. 

I am wanting to know, would gmail start considering all mail from my
domain as spam if it occasionally puts a piece of mail in the spam
folder? Or is DirectAdmin keeping the headers like they are and just
redirecting the email to me?

Thanks,
Chris









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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[c. marlow]

On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 15:40:16 -0500
John Mellor  wrote:
 
> That's actually a good reason to use IMAP instead, as the normal 
> behaviour is to download the headers and not the bodies.  You only 
> download the bodies on mails that you read, so unless you don't get
> any spam or if you actually read every single message that you get,
> your bandwidth usage will normally appreciably be lower with IMAP.
> 
> --
> 
> John Mellor




Interesting! I never would of thought of that! 

Chris
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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[c. marlow]

On Mon, 14 Feb 2022 15:00:20 +1100
Cameron Simpson  wrote:
 
> For those liking IMAP, there are definitely tools to keep your IMAP
> in sync with a local set of folders, allowing local email and also
> IMAP access.
> 

I am a Linux N00B.

I would love to know how to keep a copy of emails locally.

My Claws-Mail MH offline storage folders ( back when I was a POP user)
currently stands at 720.3 Megs going all the way back to 2016! 

Chris
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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2022-02-14 at 13:03 +0100, wwp wrote:
> > That's actually a good reason to use IMAP instead, as the normal
> > behaviour is to download the headers and not the bodies. You only
> > download the bodies on mails that you read, so unless you don't get
> > any spam or if you actually read every single message that you get,
> > your bandwidth usage will normally appreciably be lower with IMAP.
> 
> You make assumptions here that follow your use, and it's not at all
> mine - I do read (thus, download) - read or filter by body contents -
> nearly all emails I receive, and I receive a lot of spam that is
> also filtered on client-side.

I do all my spam filtering server-side, though that would apply both to
POP and IMAP.


[...]
> Also, writing/sending at lot of emails, using drafts, will increase
> your network consumption, but that, also, depends on your own uses. A
> slow network user will be sensitive to that.

Most IMAP MUAs allow you to specify a local folder for drafts, if
that's a concern.

poc
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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[wwp]

Hello John,


On Sun, 13 Feb 2022 15:40:16 -0500 John Mellor  wrote:

> On 2022-02-13 2:09 p.m., c. marlow wrote:
> > On Fri, 11 Feb 2022 22:54:16 +0100
> > wwp  wrote:
> >  
> >> Moreover, using IMAP will make
> >> you dependent of remote resource and you must be online, the use of
> >> IMAP accounts generate much more network traffic, that's a problem to
> >> me. I also experienced very slow or unreliable IMAP servers
> >> (orange.fr, the worst one ever?) and when it's slow or not reliable,
> >> having to push everything online (drafts, sent and their copy to Sent
> >> emails, ..) is just a pain in the *ss.  
> > About the network point you made:
> >
> > I am on a satellite dish connection and we only get so much data a month
> > and then when we run out, we're lowered to 1 to 3 megs until our reset
> > day.
> >
> > But, a lot of people on the internet has told me that IMAP doesn't use a
> > lot of data. I don't believe it though.  
> 
> That's actually a good reason to use IMAP instead, as the normal behaviour is 
> to download the headers and not the bodies. You only download the bodies on 
> mails that you read, so unless you don't get any spam or if you actually read 
> every single message that you get, your bandwidth usage will normally 
> appreciably be lower with IMAP.

You make assumptions here that follow your use, and it's not at all
mine - I do read (thus, download) - read or filter by body contents -
nearly all emails I receive, and I receive a lot of spam that is
also filtered on client-side.

Of course, you were definitely right by explaining there are different
kinds of email uses. The OP would have to evaluate his own uses and see
if IMAP fits better them.

Also, writing/sending at lot of emails, using drafts, will increase
your network consumption, but that, also, depends on your own uses. A
slow network user will be sensitive to that.


Regards,

-- 
wwp
https://useplaintext.email/


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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2022-02-14 at 08:34 +1100, Cameron Simpson wrote:
> POP3's not great for that - there's only one serverside mail folder,
> not 
> much state (I think you can mark things as read maybe - or maybe that
> too is client side). _If_ you're keeping your email server side, IMAP
> is 
> a better choice.

AFAIK POP servers don't keep any per-message state, nor can you
download messages selectively, nor indeed download only the headers as
you can with IMAP.

poc
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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2022-02-13 at 22:03 -0500, John Mellor wrote:
> I moved from fetchmail to Evolution, and initially thought it was 
> brilliant.  The only initial issues that I faced were in trying to 
> configure undocumented connectivity to Rogers (altered Yahoo) and
> Google 
> upstream mail services.  Eventually, somebody published the correct 
> incantations, like using SSMTP ports but not the protocol, and all
> was 
> good for quite some time.  However, the Evolution ivory tower
> released a 
> couple of bad versions that corrupted their internal db and I lost a
> lot 
> of mail as a result.  IMHO, I have no idea why someone thought a db
> was 
> a good idea in an email client, but maybe they came from a Microsoft 
> background and email using the Jet db.  Anyway, I was never able to 
> correct the problem, as there are no recovery tools, the devs are 
> uncommunicative, and I experienced very poor support from their user 
> group.  While I've done it very long ago, I have better things to 
> develop than debugging what is supposed to be a well-designed
> client.  
> Maybe I only work on well-designed code, since I think that the
> coding 
> complexity of Evolution is a bunch of accidents waiting to happen.

I'm sorry you had that experience, but I have to assume that this
happened quite some time ago. The current maintainer is in fact
extremely communicative and anxious to resolve problems.

I agree that the code base of Evolution is large, at least in part
because it's not just a mail client, and that even as an MUA it has to
deal with Exchange (it's the go-to MUA for Exchange users on Linux).
Personally, I only ever use IMAP and don't particularly care about the
non-mail aspects, so it works for me.

poc
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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Mon, 2022-02-14 at 11:33 +1030, Tim via users wrote:
> Manual, what manual?  Ha!  I just pressed F1 for help, it opened my
> web
> browser to:  https://help.gnome.org/users/evolution/3.28
> Giving me:
> 
>   Not Found
>   The requested URL /users/evolution/3.28 was not found on this
> server.

Recall that Evolution is available on multiple distros and that the Evo
list is not restricted to Fedora. The Help docs are often in a separate
package. For Fedora, it's "evolution-help".

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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[Patrick O'Callaghan]

On Sun, 2022-02-13 at 12:58 -0600, c. marlow wrote:
> > > Thus far, Evolution is the least-worst one I've found on Linux.<<
> 
> You must of never had to use the Evolution mail group before..
> They're
> quite rude over there. Basically, they give you the nice " GO RTFM"
> for
> replies, even though you tried Googling your issue.
> 
> " Go to HELP > AND " and read the help guide."
> 
> I use to really love Evolution until that started happening. 

I'm one of the moderators of the Evolution list. Pointing out that an
issue is addressed in the Help is not rude, and anything not dealt with
that way is typically answered by many of the very helpful
contributors, one of whom is the principal maintainer of Evolution.

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Re: Kinda OT: Email clients and Email Management

[Tim via users]

On Sun, 2022-02-13 at 22:03 -0500, John Mellor wrote:
> I used fetchmail for a lot of years.  Then one of my upstream email 
> servers switched to a modified and mostly-undocumented Yahoo
> connection mechanism, and I could not find the correct connection
> strings and ports to make it work, and was forced into either
> switching email clients or using a web browser as a substandard email
> client.  Various web notes for connecting are now improved enough
> that I think I could move back to fetchmail if circumstances required
> it.

Every now and then someone "improves" their software so that you're
forced to go through their crappy advertising-infested interface.  I
only keep using a Yahoo mail, because of spam.  At that stage, they
were the cause of most of it, so I figured their servers could receive
most of it.  Serve the buggers right.

I went through a stage where they changed something and it took quite a
bit of experimenting with what ports to use, which security protocol to
use, how to login (username or full address), before I could receive
send mail again.  Around the same time it became important to send
through the services own SMTP servers so they verified your mail for
you as being real, so other servers would accept it.

My hosted service recently (again) decided to tell us to stop logging
into their mail services using its real address, and use our own domain
names that it virtually serves.  The trouble is, the security
certificates are all in its name, so fetchmail complains of a security
fault.  I can override and download anyway, from *apparently* the wrong
server, or not get my mail.  That's *not* security, that's insecurity.

I've tried Thunderbird over the years, but (like a web browser) it's
overly convoluted for what it actually needs to do.  Its mail editor
has always been painful, I don't think much of its viewer either.

Years ago, MANY years ago, I tried Opera on Windows 98SE.  They decided
to use a database for mail storage.  That may have worked well for
ordinary users who might have 100 emails (if they keep them), but it
couldn't cope with the workload of people who participate in mailing
lists (like this Fedora one).

Since I use fetchmail to a local Dovecot server, mail is stored how I
like it (maildir), and it doesn't matter what silliness the mail client
uses, the mail client only caches things as it reads it, rather than
store it.  In my prior installation Dovecot used mailbox (one huge file
per mail folder), that was diabolically slow once one got moderately
big.  When I replaced the server I put the effort into figuring out how
to make it use maildir, that was a massive speed improvement.  Things
work in a flash, now.
 
-- 
 
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Linux 3.10.0-1160.53.1.el7.x86_64 #1 SMP Fri Jan 14 13:59:45 UTC 2022 x86_64
 
Boilerplate:  All unexpected mail to my mailbox is automatically deleted.
I will only get to see the messages that are posted to the mailing list.
 
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