Re: [users] Re: Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Gianluca Turconi]

Hello Paul,

In data 16 settembre 2009 alle ore 21:34:51, Paul  ha  
scritto:


However, as in the past, let me re-iterate. Moderators of the OOo lists  
do

not have the ability to ban or censor posters.


I don't know how the mailing list platform evolved in last years, but: are  
you sure?


I mean saying I know there are moderators with enough admin rights to add  
and delete addresses from a OOo mailing list (after a warning to the user  
or other specific procedure of exclusion). I say so because I did it in  
the past.


If there is no longer such feature in the list management platform, it's a  
pity.


On the other hand, if instead the politics of administration of this list  
is not to force an exclusion, well, its your (of the moderators) choice  
and I respect it anyway.


Of course, I know too a moderator cannot prevent a subscribed user to post  
nearly everything he/she wants, neither a moderator can delete messages  
already posted.


Nevertheless, there should still be somewhere an option to exclude someone  
after reiterated violations of netiquette, otherwise this list would be  
prone to subscribed spammers and "vulgarities-sayers".


Thanks for your answer.
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Re: [users] search for numbered item by number

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Tom,

TomW wrote (17-9-2009 2:18)


I found I could search a number list as follows:

In the 'Search for" box I enter ^1 to find 1, ^11 to find 11, etc.  Make 
sure Regular Expression is checked in "more options" of the search dialog.
Of note: If you click on find All it will find all numbers that begin 
with number you are searching for. e.g. ^1 will find 1, 11, 12, etc.


Are you sure you have an automatic numbered list?
Or I do miss somehting, but I can't make your suggestion work here...

Thanks,
Cor

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Re: [users] Re: How to sort mixed alpha & numbers?

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Gary,

NoOp wrote (17-9-2009 2:10)

On 09/15/2009 07:34 PM, jomali wrote:

Put the formula
=MID(A1;FIND(" ";A1);LEN(A1))+0
in Cell B1.
Extend down as far as your data in Column A goes.
Sort on column B
Voila!



I'm having trouble figuring that out... wouldn't be the first time :-)
Would it be OK if I emailed you the spreadsheet so that you can try with
the original?


I tried and it does work perfect. (Better at RC ?? ;-) )
Alternative:
  =VALUE(MID(A1;FIND(" ";A1);LEN(A1)))

Ciao - Cor

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[users] No of recent items in OpenOffice 3.1.1

[Jay Mistry]

Using OpenOffice 3.1.1 (Build 9420), I don't find the option to change
the number of recent items/documents. Has this feature been removed in
this version ?

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[users] Sue

[sue gill]

Dear?
I have got 6e-mails that keep coming to me, what's going on.
Don't worry about my inquire I have  Purchased Microsoft Office now, I 
certainly won't be purchasing any more of your products. And if I get any more 
e-mails for you I will tell them to go elsewhere too.   
   Thanks For Nothing 

Re: [users] headers

[Troll/Idiot]

steve kolars wrote:

I need help with headers, and cannot figure out page numbering.  I can make
a running header with page numbers, but I do not want the page number to
show on the first page.  I cannot figure out how to keep the page number
from printing on the first page.

Thanks in advance,
Steve

  
You'll need to define a new, specific page style for the first page, 
without the page number displayed.


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[users] headers

[steve kolars]

I need help with headers, and cannot figure out page numbering.  I can make
a running header with page numbers, but I do not want the page number to
show on the first page.  I cannot figure out how to keep the page number
from printing on the first page.

Thanks in advance,
Steve

[users] Re: Playing Audio Throughout An Entire Impress Presentation

[NoOp]

On 09/16/2009 05:24 AM, Christian Lippka wrote:
> Hi Dave,
> 
> this is a known and still open issue that the sounds do not loop.
> I bcc'ed the responsible developer to remind him that he may fix this 
> long standing issue better sooner than later :)
> 
> All fingers crossed we (the sun paid developers working on OOo) will
> have a go from our management to focus on media support in impress
> for the near/mid future, including better video integration and support
> for narration.
> 
> Regards,
> Christian

It is helpful if you provide the relevent bug reports that you are
referring to. These are two that I recall regarding this issue:

http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=24969
[[RFE] Presentation should play a sound file over more than one slide]
Resolution: FIXED

http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=78386
[XPlayer does not support looping sounds]
Status: STARTED


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Re: [users] Playing Audio Throughout An Entire Impress Presentation

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Christian Lippka 
To: users@openoffice.org
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 14:24:55 +0200

> Hi Dave,
> 
> this is a known and still open issue that the sounds do not loop.
> I bcc'ed the responsible developer to remind him that he may fix this
> long standing issue better sooner than later :)
> 
> All fingers crossed we (the sun paid developers working on OOo) will
> have a go from our management to focus on media support in impress
> for the near/mid future, including better video integration and support
> for narration.
> 
> Regards,
> Christian

Hi Christian,

Many thanks for your feedback. I am being asked for the issue details,
so others can vote for it. Am I correct in referring to this one:
http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=78386
or is there a more relevant issue.

Regards

Dave


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[users] Re: How to sort mixed alpha & numbers?

[NoOp]

On 09/16/2009 05:31 PM, jomali wrote:
> Sure, go ahead. I'd be glad to look at it.
> 
> John

Thanks. It's on it's way (only 22.1KB) - email subject is "Re: How to
sort mixed alpha & numbers?"

Gary


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Re: [users] Re: another package ?

[Fred A. Miller]

James Knott wrote:
> Twayne wrote:
>> 's funny. Your data is very misleading.  Linux:
>> --  Has a steep learning curve
>>   
> Tell that to my friend, who I loaned my Eee PC to.  She took to it right
> away, without any instruction whatsoever.
> 
>> --  Uses non-intuitive program names as a rule
>>   
> Are you referring to command line?  If so, how many typical users go there?
> 
>> --  has more undiscovered security risks than Windows by a long shot 
>> with the actual quantity varying as each of many authors add their own 
>> improvements and additional features.
>>   
> 
> Actually, for a variety of reasons, Linux tends to be far more secure. 
> Are you aware, for example, that much of the security problems with IE
> result from MS trying to prove a point in response to what they claimed
> in a court case?  Look up Netscape vs Microsoft, where MS claimed IE
> couldn't be removed, as it was part of the OS.  At the time it wasn't,
> but with the next version, it was tightly intertwined with the operating
> system, with the result that a security problem for the browser becomes
> a security probem for the entire system.
>> --  Carries many of the SAME security risks in the "user" category of 
>> bad use
>>   
> In normal usage, Linux does not expose users to risk, as they're less
> likely to run as admin (root).  On the other hand, Windows users often
> have to run as admin, in order to get the app to work.
>> --  is much more difficult to add/remove a program from than Windows
>>   
> How do you figure that?  Have you actually tried recently in Linux???
>> --  Complete newbies find themselves understanding the nuances of 
>> controls and management much faster and easier in windows than in Linux
>> --  is not user friendly
>>   
> Much B.S.

"Much?" More like that's all it was! ;)

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Re: [users] Re: How to sort mixed alpha & numbers?

[jomali]

Sure, go ahead. I'd be glad to look at it.

John

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 8:10 PM, NoOp  wrote:

> On 09/15/2009 07:34 PM, jomali wrote:
> > Put the formula
> > =MID(A1;FIND(" ";A1);LEN(A1))+0
> > in Cell B1.
> > Extend down as far as your data in Column A goes.
> > Sort on column B
> > Voila!
> >
> > John
>
> I'm having trouble figuring that out... wouldn't be the first time :-)
> Would it be OK if I emailed you the spreadsheet so that you can try with
> the original?
>
> Gary
>
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Re: [users] search for numbered item by number

[TomW]

David B Teague wrote:


I have a numbered list of items in an ODF file. How do I search for 
the item numbered 10? If I use control F, type 10 for the search key, 
it reports search key not found.


If you need more information to answer this, please ask.

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David:

I found I could search a number list as follows:

In the 'Search for" box I enter ^1 to find 1, ^11 to find 11, etc.  Make 
sure Regular Expression is checked in "more options" of the search dialog.
Of note: If you click on find All it will find all numbers that begin 
with number you are searching for. e.g. ^1 will find 1, 11, 12, etc.


TomW

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[users] Re: How to sort mixed alpha & numbers?

[NoOp]

On 09/15/2009 07:34 PM, jomali wrote:
> Put the formula
> =MID(A1;FIND(" ";A1);LEN(A1))+0
> in Cell B1.
> Extend down as far as your data in Column A goes.
> Sort on column B
> Voila!
> 
> John

I'm having trouble figuring that out... wouldn't be the first time :-)
Would it be OK if I emailed you the spreadsheet so that you can try with
the original?

Gary


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[users] Re: Petition against OOo Renaissance

[NoOp]

On 09/16/2009 10:43 AM, David B Teague wrote:
> 
> Please drop this entire thread. It is not going anywhere, and is 
> producing nothing but some annoyance.
> 
> --David Teague

One really nice thing about using nntp (gmane.org) is the ability to
just kill a thread & poof it's gone :-)

With that said... K


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Re: [users] help. how to create and print mailing list labels

[Barbara Duprey]

frances politeo wrote:
Hi, I have downloaded and started to write documents with openoffice, however I'm having alot of trouble figuring out how to create and then print mailing labels (e.g. avery labels).  It seems that I've got it partly figured out but when I begin to create the document (does it look like a grid?), I can't figure out what to do next. 


I am not a programmer but a clinical social worker who can't afford  to 
purchase microsoft office suite now, after loss of a job.  Is there someone I 
can call or are there very specific step-by-step instructions I can use?  The 
instructions available via the openoffice help pages aren't sufficient for me 
to succeed.

Thanks for any help.

Franny Politeo
cell: 408.891.8110
  


Welcome to OpenOffice.org! The Wiki article may be more useful to you 
than the built-in help:


wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Writer_Guide/Printing_mailing_labels

It has a lot of detail and plenty of screen shots. Check it out, and if 
you still have questions, we'll try to help.


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Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Brian Barker]

At 13:24 16/09/2009 -0700, Tommy Noname wrote:

petition will not stop, i don't care of what you say


This is a fascinatingly irrational pairing of statements - especially 
when combined, as they are, in the same sentence.  Anyone promoting a 
petition must surely need to have confidence that there is at least a 
chance that those they are wishing to convince will have at least 
some interest in what the petition says.  If those same promoters 
declare no interest at all in others' opinions, what hope can they 
have that they will be heard at all?  Might their opponents not also 
say they care not what the petition says?


But it seems rationality is not the name of the game here ...

Brian Barker


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Re: [users] help. how to create and print mailing list labels

[Harold Fuchs]

frances politeo wrote:
Hi, I have downloaded and started to write documents with openoffice, however I'm having alot of trouble figuring out how to create and then print mailing labels (e.g. avery labels).  It seems that I've got it partly figured out but when I begin to create the document (does it look like a grid?), I can't figure out what to do next. 


I am not a programmer but a clinical social worker who can't afford  to 
purchase microsoft office suite now, after loss of a job.  Is there someone I 
can call or are there very specific step-by-step instructions I can use?  The 
instructions available via the openoffice help pages aren't sufficient for me 
to succeed.

Thanks for any help.

Franny Politeo
cell: 408.891.8110
  
Chapter 11 of the Writer Guide at 
http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/oooauthors2/ might help.
As might 
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOoAuthors_User_Manual/Writer_Guide/Using_Mail_Merge


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Re: [users] Go-oo

[Harold Fuchs]

Carlos Joel Delgado Pizarrro wrote:

Most of Linux distributions have Go-oo installed instead of the original
OpenOffice.org
if you are using Ubuntu you are sure using Go-oo (althougth it says
OpenOffice.org)
If you are using Mandriva you are using BrOffice.org (kind of go-oo).

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2009/9/15 Stephen S. Brettell 

  

Does anyone know how to get Go-oo?  When I go to the site, it just
downloads the same old same old open office.  Does this have the Go-oo
features?

SteveB


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Re: [users] Re: Dictionary Completeness

[Harold Fuchs]

Cor Nouws wrote:

Hi Michael,

Michael Biribauer wrote (16-9-2009 11:04)

Ok i installed OOO 310m19 (Build:9420) (English only)

Now the dictionary is so basic it practically doesn't contain any 
words that one writes, especially plurals and -ing suffix words.


Not ideal, indeed.


Is there a dictionary one can import into open office which is more
comprehensive than the dictionary included in this build?


Maybe on the extension site of the OpenOffice.org project?
Try here http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/dictionary
I know in The Netherlands & Flanders there is a project where people
make an open source /free word list, that is used both in Mozilla and
OpenOffice.org.

On the other hand, I believe work is "in progress" (probably slow ...)
to make the spellchecker software smarter, so that, depending on the
language, much constructs are recognized.

Finally, of direct use: when you perform spell checking you can add wrds
to the Standard word list, so that they are recognized the next time. So
the trouble will get less and less..

Kindest regards,
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[users] Re: can't find the program on my macbook

[Michael Reich]

After downloading software, you need to install it before it can be 
used.   You should download software to a particular location, like your 
desktop or your Documents folder, so you can easily locate them.  It 
sounds like you downloaded the installer, but didn't actually install 
the program.  If so, use the spotlight feature (the blue magnifying 
glass icon in the upper right corner of your desktop) to search for 
something like OOo_3.1.1_MacOSXIntel_install_en-US.dmg (see below).


When you download the OOO package from the web on a Mac, you should have 
an installation program which ends with a .dmg extension 
(OOo_3.1.1_MacOSXIntel_install_en-US.dmg).   Double-click this file and 
it will "mount" as a disk image on the Mac desktop.  It also should 
automatically open a window which displays an OpenOffice.org icon and 
another icon for your Applications folder.   Simply drag the 
OpenOffice.org icon and drop it on the Applications icon.   The software 
will then install in your Applications folder.   This is the standard 
way programs are installed in OS X.


After installation, you can launch OpenOffice by navigating to your 
Applications folder and double clicking the OpenOffice icon.


If you need more assistance, let us know.

I am new to Open Office and to macbook.  I downloaded Open Office 
yesterday.  When I went to use it today, I could not find it.


What did I do wrong?

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Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Tommy27]

now it is ME offending you?   :confused:

incredible... %-|

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Re: [users] Re: Dictionary Completeness

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Michael,

Michael Biribauer wrote (16-9-2009 11:04)

Ok i installed OOO 310m19 (Build:9420) (English only)

Now the dictionary is so basic it practically doesn't contain any words 
that one writes, especially plurals and -ing suffix words.


Not ideal, indeed.


Is there a dictionary one can import into open office which is more
comprehensive than the dictionary included in this build?


Maybe on the extension site of the OpenOffice.org project?
Try here http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/dictionary
I know in The Netherlands & Flanders there is a project where people
make an open source /free word list, that is used both in Mozilla and
OpenOffice.org.

On the other hand, I believe work is "in progress" (probably slow ...)
to make the spellchecker software smarter, so that, depending on the
language, much constructs are recognized.

Finally, of direct use: when you perform spell checking you can add wrds
to the Standard word list, so that they are recognized the next time. So
the trouble will get less and less..

Kindest regards,
Cor


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Re: [users] Re: Dictionary Completeness

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Michael,

Michael Biribauer wrote (16-9-2009 11:04)

Ok i installed OOO 310m19 (Build:9420) (English only)

Now the dictionary is so basic it practically doesn't contain any words 
that one writes, especially plurals and -ing suffix words.


Not ideal, indeed.


Is there a dictionary one can import into open office which is more
comprehensive than the dictionary included in this build?


Maybe on the extension site of the OpenOffice.org project?
Try here http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/dictionary
I know in The Netherlands & Flanders there is a project where people 
make an open source /free word list, that is used both in Mozilla and 
OpenOffice.org.


On the other hand, I believe work is "in progress" (probably slow ...) 
to make the spellchecker software smarter, so that, depending on the 
language, much constructs are recognized.


Finally, of direct use: when you perform spell checking you can add wrds 
to the Standard word list, so that they are recognized the next time. So 
the trouble will get less and less..


Kindest regards,
Cor



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Re: [users] music or clipart

[Cor Nouws]

Hello Meino,

m.turkstra wrote (16-9-2009 19:22)

Hello,
Can you tell me if there is a site with pictures, clip art's about 
music, instruments, music signals etc. I want to put them by a letter 
and send my mail to another person. Is it possible to download a 
programm? 


There are some free and open sources available.
Such as
 http://www.openclipart.org/ (recommended)
 http://www.freeclipart.org/ (no experience with that)
maybe also on the extension website of the OpenOffice.org project: for 
example here http://extensions.services.openoffice.org/taxonomy_menu/4/4


Met vr. groeten,
Cor

zie ook http://nl.openoffice.org

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Re: [users] Spellchecker

[Cor Nouws]

Greetings Marko,


Marko Balokovic wrote (16-9-2009 20:11)

Greetings,
I've downloaded a lot of spellcheckers for Open Office and none of them seems 
to be working. What should I do?
Thank you in advance.


Spell checking is linked to the language attribute of the text ...
You can see/set that in various ways:
 - Format|Font, tab Font > Langage
 - Context menu > Edit paragraph style> Tab Font > Language
 - Tools|Language ...
And of course you have to start spell checking. Can be done with the 
"ABC-with red wave" Icon on the toolbar Standard.


HTH,
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Re: [users] search for numbered item by number

[Cor Nouws]

Hi David,

David B Teague wrote (16-9-2009 20:40)


I have a numbered list of items in an ODF file. How do I search for the 
item numbered 10? If I use control F, type 10 for the search key, it 
reports search key not found.


If you need more information to answer this, please ask.


What you try to achieve, is searching in the field values - which the 
numbers in a numbered list are.
I can see no way to do that. Other than writing a macro for it. But if 
your need is great enough for that work ...
A dirty work around may be: copy the text, paste special>unformatted 
text in a new document, and search there :-\


Sorry that I can't be of any more help on this,

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[Fwd: [users] Re: Petition against OOo Renaissance]

[JOE Conner]

 Original Message 

<>

Tommy27;
Let me be perfectly clear. You DO offend people. I am a person and 
your constant proselytizing on what is supposed to be a support mail 
list is extremely offensive to me. Just shut up, stop polluting the 
list, and let it get back to what it is supposed to be about.


Regards
Keith N. McKenna

PS Before you go off and accuse me of not being educated, believe me I am.

+1
Joe Conner, Poulsbo, WA USA


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[users] Re: Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Keith N. McKenna]

Tommy27 wrote:

i did not offend anybody.

other people offended me... those people are those who should learn how to
stay in a mailing list.

the petition is growing minute after minute 373 right now in less than 4
weeks.

the number is veryhigh... blog posts on GullFoss never received so much
attention.
even Renaissance survey collected just 1800 replies in more than 2 months.

or does this implies that even their numbers are useless and insignificant?

some of you accused me to not communicate with Renaissance to make it
better...
false again... read my many proposals here  
http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/prototyping_a_new_user_interface


now many of you ask censorship of this thread.
this reveals your narrow vision.
you don't respect other people opinions if they differ from yours

petition will not stop, i don't care of what you say

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/stoprenaissance/



Tommy27;
 Let me be perfectly clear. You DO offend people. I am a person and 
your constant proselytizing on what is supposed to be a support mail 
list is extremely offensive to me. Just shut up, stop polluting the 
list, and let it get back to what it is supposed to be about.


Regards
Keith N. McKenna

PS Before you go off and accuse me of not being educated, believe me I am.


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Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Tommy27]

gene, i should thank you, really!!!

the more you flame this thread, the more it stays on top of the list, the
more users hear about the petition and the more users sign it.

have a nice evening. 
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Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Gene Young]

Tommy27 wrote:

i did not offend anybody.

other people offended me... those people are those who should learn how to
stay in a mailing list.

the petition is growing minute after minute 373 right now in less than 4
weeks.

the number is veryhigh... blog posts on GullFoss never received so much
attention.
even Renaissance survey collected just 1800 replies in more than 2 months.

or does this implies that even their numbers are useless and insignificant?

some of you accused me to not communicate with Renaissance to make it
better...
false again... read my many proposals here  
http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/prototyping_a_new_user_interface


now many of you ask censorship of this thread.
this reveals your narrow vision.
you don't respect other people opinions if they differ from yours

petition will not stop, i don't care of what you say

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/stoprenaissance/



plonk!!

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Re: [users] Re: another package ?

[Mark Miller]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 1:36 PM, Twayne  wrote:

> "Gene Heskett"  wrote in message
> news:200909152101.06467.gene.hesk...@gmail.com
> ...
> >
> > 's funny.   Your sig is an advert for Norton...
> >
> > Q: I wonder why Norton doesn't make a security product for linux?
> > A: Because linux generally doesn't need it.  Its many times more
> > secure than winderz will ever be.
>
> 's funny. Your data is very misleading.  Linux:
> --  Has a steep learning curve
> --  Uses non-intuitive program names as a rule
> --  To this day still lacks drivers for some of my hardware, preventing
> it from being a major player
> --  has more undiscovered security risks than Windows by a long shot
> with the actual quantity varying as each of many authors add their own
> improvements and additional features.
> --  Carries many of the SAME security risks in the "user" category of
> bad use
> --  is much more difficult to add/remove a program from than Windows
> --  Complete newbies find themselves understanding the nuances of
> controls and management much faster and easier in windows than in Linux
> --  is not user friendly
>
> That said, I will still switch if/when they develop/make available the
> drivers I need.  A reasonably experienced PC person can switch to Linux,
> or one of its many flavors, successfully with some effort.  But this
> user can not switch without drivers that I need. But I keep looking.
> Someday I will no longer be captive of MS and its single-sourced
> attitude.
>
>
>
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> About 18 months ago, I was nothing but a long-time Windows user with a
sizable investment in supporting software.  A friend suggested I save my
money an use Ubuntu.  I got my feet wet with a Wubi install so all my
previous Windows stuff stayed in tact.  About a month later, I blew out
windows on four machines and installed Ubuntu.  I found it extraordinarily
easy to make the transition.  I was just up and running with Ubuntu right
away.  My printers were'nt very old, so the printer drivers worked "out of
the box".  I've since been back to having fun with computers as I steer
deeper into what Ubuntu can do.  I was amazed at the depth of help material
on-line and the extent to which users in the forums will go to help you fix
a problem.  I'm by no means a Windows power user; so I wasn't that much more
proficient than most I guess.  Linux just worked for me, and it does for a
lot of other people too.  If you can tell us which drivers you need, perhaps
someone can point you towards what you need.  I'm entering the world of
netbooks with a Starling from System76; it comes with Ubuntu installed (as
do all their computers).  All reports are no driver issues of any kind so it
sounds like a lot of your problems may have already been addressed.

There's been an issue in the past with wireless networking, but it seems
that's been mostly taken care of on the Ubuntu side.  There are, admittedly,
some problems on the Windows side turning the card on and off when exiting
the OS, but that's hardly the fault of Ubuntu, and there was recently a work
around posted for that.

Sounds like it's been awhile since you  looked ... a lot has happened in the
18 months since I first started.  Why not give it a go again? Let us know
what you need to make it work for you.  You'll be pleased with the response,
I'm sure.

mcm


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Re: Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Tommy27]

i did not offend anybody.

other people offended me... those people are those who should learn how to
stay in a mailing list.

the petition is growing minute after minute 373 right now in less than 4
weeks.

the number is veryhigh... blog posts on GullFoss never received so much
attention.
even Renaissance survey collected just 1800 replies in more than 2 months.

or does this implies that even their numbers are useless and insignificant?

some of you accused me to not communicate with Renaissance to make it
better...
false again... read my many proposals here  
http://blogs.sun.com/GullFOSS/entry/prototyping_a_new_user_interface

now many of you ask censorship of this thread.
this reveals your narrow vision.
you don't respect other people opinions if they differ from yours

petition will not stop, i don't care of what you say

http://www.petitionspot.com/petitions/stoprenaissance/


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Re: [users] Image Display Failure in -3.0.0 -- FIXED

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Cor Nouws wrote:


Under Tools|Options|OpenOffice.org Writer, View, section Display you can
tick that images are shown. Does that help?


Cor,

  It certainly does! Somehow, between yesterday and today, that option was
unchecked. I never knew about it because it was never before an issue.

Many thanks!

Rich

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Re: [users] Re: another package ?

[James Knott]

Twayne wrote:
> 's funny. Your data is very misleading.  Linux:
> --  Has a steep learning curve
>   
Tell that to my friend, who I loaned my Eee PC to.  She took to it right
away, without any instruction whatsoever.

> --  Uses non-intuitive program names as a rule
>   
Are you referring to command line?  If so, how many typical users go there?

> --  has more undiscovered security risks than Windows by a long shot 
> with the actual quantity varying as each of many authors add their own 
> improvements and additional features.
>   

Actually, for a variety of reasons, Linux tends to be far more secure. 
Are you aware, for example, that much of the security problems with IE
result from MS trying to prove a point in response to what they claimed
in a court case?  Look up Netscape vs Microsoft, where MS claimed IE
couldn't be removed, as it was part of the OS.  At the time it wasn't,
but with the next version, it was tightly intertwined with the operating
system, with the result that a security problem for the browser becomes
a security probem for the entire system.
> --  Carries many of the SAME security risks in the "user" category of 
> bad use
>   
In normal usage, Linux does not expose users to risk, as they're less
likely to run as admin (root).  On the other hand, Windows users often
have to run as admin, in order to get the app to work.
> --  is much more difficult to add/remove a program from than Windows
>   
How do you figure that?  Have you actually tried recently in Linux???
> --  Complete newbies find themselves understanding the nuances of 
> controls and management much faster and easier in windows than in Linux
> --  is not user friendly
>   
Much B.S.

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Re: [users] Re: Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Paul]

:

> On 2009/09/16 2:14 AM  Gianluca Turconi wrote:
>
>> In data 16 settembre 2009 alle ore 10:05:42, Presta Rogerator <
>> prestarogera...@yahoo.com> ha scritto:
>>
>>  Like everyone else here, I'm tired of your stupidity.  You have been told
>>> over and over and over how to make your voice heard to the Rennaisance
>>> project.  You're apparently too dumb to follow the advice.  It's time
>>> someone spoke up and told you in less than polite terms that you're an
>>> idiot.
>>>
>>
>> To moderators: are you really tolerating this kind of language here?
>>
>
> Awfully sensitive, aren't you? I do not see any swear words in that
> statement. I can think of several to use about Tommy Cat and his sidekick,
> Wild Dog
>
>
Apologies - like many others, I've been ignoring this thread since its
devolved into a shouting, name calling flame war.

However, as in the past, let me re-iterate. Moderators of the OOo lists do
not have the ability to ban or censor posters.

However it would be good for everyone to review the guidelines (
http://www.openoffice.org/ml_guidelines.html) and in particular the 3rd
point on what should not happen:"Personal attacks (not criticising a
position, but slamming or flaming the writer)".

I'm sure everyone can have their say without resulting to the behaviour that
seems to have been going on in this thread.

/paul
OOo list moderator

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Re: [users] Go-oo

[Carlos Joel Delgado Pizarrro]

Most of Linux distributions have Go-oo installed instead of the original
OpenOffice.org
if you are using Ubuntu you are sure using Go-oo (althougth it says
OpenOffice.org)
If you are using Mandriva you are using BrOffice.org (kind of go-oo).

Saludos!

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2009/9/15 Stephen S. Brettell 

> Does anyone know how to get Go-oo?  When I go to the site, it just
> downloads the same old same old open office.  Does this have the Go-oo
> features?
>
> SteveB
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Re: [users] Image Display Failure in -3.0.0 -- UPDATE

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Rich,

Rich Shepard wrote (16-9-2009 21:25)


 In a document I have inserted the .jpg image of my scanned signature.
Yesterday afternoon, this image properly displayed as it always has.
However, this morning it will not display at all. The image box is there,
but it has a default of "graphics1" inside the frame. Deleting the frame
and re-inserting the image yields the same results.


Under Tools|Options|OpenOffice.org Writer, View, section Display you can 
tick that images are shown.

Does that help?

Regards,
Cor

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Re: [users] Image Display Failure in -3.0.0 -- UPDATE

[Rich Shepard]

On Wed, 16 Sep 2009, Rich Shepard wrote:


 In a document I have inserted the .jpg image of my scanned signature.
Yesterday afternoon, this image properly displayed as it always has.
However, this morning it will not display at all. The image box is there,
but it has a default of "graphics1" inside the frame. Deleting the frame
and re-inserting the image yields the same results.


  Update: I upgraded OO.o to -3.1.1 and the same problem with inserted
images remains.

  It's not the specific document; I opened a new one and could not load
either a .jpg or .png image.

Rich

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[users] Re: can't find the program on my macbook

[Larry Gusaas]

On 2009/09/16 8:32 AM  HARRY KRUGER wrote:
I am new to Open Office and to macbook.  I downloaded Open Office yesterday.  
When I went to use it today, I could not find it.
  


Did you install it? If so it should be in your Applications folder.

If you didn't install it, look in the location your downloads are 
normally stored. Open the .dmg file you downloaded and move the file 
'OpenOffice.org.app' to your applications folder.


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[users] help. how to create and print mailing list labels

[frances politeo]

Hi, I have downloaded and started to write documents with openoffice, however 
I'm having alot of trouble figuring out how to create and then print mailing 
labels (e.g. avery labels).  It seems that I've got it partly figured out but 
when I begin to create the document (does it look like a grid?), I can't figure 
out what to do next. 

I am not a programmer but a clinical social worker who can't afford  to 
purchase microsoft office suite now, after loss of a job.  Is there someone I 
can call or are there very specific step-by-step instructions I can use?  The 
instructions available via the openoffice help pages aren't sufficient for me 
to succeed.

Thanks for any help.

Franny Politeo
cell: 408.891.8110

[users] Go-oo

[Stephen S. Brettell]

Does anyone know how to get Go-oo?  When I go to the site, it just
downloads the same old same old open office.  Does this have the Go-oo
features?

SteveB


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[users] Re: Dictionary Completeness

[Michael Biribauer]

Ok i installed OOO 310m19 (Build:9420) (English only)

Now the dictionary is so basic it practically doesn't contain any words that one
writes, especially plurals and -ing suffix words.

Is there a dictionary one can import into open office which is more
comprehensive than the dictionary included in this build?


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[users] database application errors

[John McGarry]

Open office base is not coming up on my mini laptop dell 10. ubuntu  is the
OS. Trying to download but having problems.
SPreadsheets etc were originally on my laptop but without database
application. Why?
How do I now download it without downloading the whole suite?
Please see error attached.
John Mc Garry
Ireland
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[users] can't find the program on my macbook

[HARRY KRUGER]

   I am new to Open Office and to macbook.  I downloaded Open Office yesterday.  When I went to use it today, I could not find it.What did I do wrong?user ID: nwkrug

[users] music or clipart

[m.turkstra]

Hello,
Can you tell me if there is a site with pictures, clip art's about 
music, instruments, music signals etc. I want to put them by a letter 
and send my mail to another person. Is it possible to download a 
programm? Greatings from fam. Turkstra, Foarwei 124, 9298 JP 
Kollumerzwaag. Nederland


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Re: [users] Re: another package ?

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 16 September 2009, Twayne wrote:
>"Gene Heskett"  wrote in message
>news:200909152210.13094.gene.hesk...@gmail.com
>
>> On Tuesday 15 September 2009, James Knott wrote:
>
>...
>
>> AFAIK, it is only for windows.  And there are no computers running
>> windows of any kind at this site.
>
>I don't beleve that for a second, even if it is completely irrelevant to
>the thread.

Yes, it is irrelevant .  I wasn't counting x-windows.  What I meant to imply 
was that there was not any machine at this site even capable to being booted 
to any version of the M$ software without a re-install from the backup cd's I 
burnt for my lappy 4 years ago when it was new.
>
>
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[users] Spellchecker

[Marko Balokovic]

Greetings,
I've downloaded a lot of spellcheckers for Open Office and none of them seems 
to be working. What should I do?
Thank you in advance.



  

[users] search for numbered item by number

[David B Teague]

I have a numbered list of items in an ODF file. How do I search for the 
item numbered 10? If I use control F, type 10 for the search key, it 
reports search key not found.


If you need more information to answer this, please ask.

--David

[users] Image Display Failure in -3.0.0

[Rich Shepard]

  I've been running -3.0.0 here with no problems. This morning I've had two
problems, one of which seems to have resolved itself. The residual problem
stumps me.

  In a document I have inserted the .jpg image of my scanned signature.
Yesterday afternoon, this image properly displayed as it always has.
However, this morning it will not display at all. The image box is there,
but it has a default of "graphics1" inside the frame. Deleting the frame and
re-inserting the image yields the same results.

  All this on Slackware-12.2.

  Ideas and suggestions greatly appreciated.

TIA,

Rich

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Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

[David B Teague]

Please drop this entire thread. It is not going anywhere, and is 
producing nothing but some annoyance.


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[users] Re: another package ?

[Twayne]

"Gene Heskett"  wrote in message
news:200909152210.13094.gene.hesk...@gmail.com
> On Tuesday 15 September 2009, James Knott wrote:
...

> AFAIK, it is only for windows.  And there are no computers running
> windows of any kind at this site.

I don't beleve that for a second, even if it is completely irrelevent to 
the thread. 




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[users] Re: another package ?

[Twayne]

"Gene Heskett"  wrote in message
news:200909152101.06467.gene.hesk...@gmail.com
...
>
> 's funny.   Your sig is an advert for Norton...
>
> Q: I wonder why Norton doesn't make a security product for linux?
> A: Because linux generally doesn't need it.  Its many times more
> secure than winderz will ever be.

's funny. Your data is very misleading.  Linux:
--  Has a steep learning curve
--  Uses non-intuitive program names as a rule
--  To this day still lacks drivers for some of my hardware, preventing 
it from being a major player
--  has more undiscovered security risks than Windows by a long shot 
with the actual quantity varying as each of many authors add their own 
improvements and additional features.
--  Carries many of the SAME security risks in the "user" category of 
bad use
--  is much more difficult to add/remove a program from than Windows
--  Complete newbies find themselves understanding the nuances of 
controls and management much faster and easier in windows than in Linux
--  is not user friendly

That said, I will still switch if/when they develop/make available the 
drivers I need.  A reasonably experienced PC person can switch to Linux, 
or one of its many flavors, successfully with some effort.  But this 
user can not switch without drivers that I need. But I keep looking. 
Someday I will no longer be captive of MS and its single-sourced 
attitude. 




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Re: [users] Re: [openoffice] Re: [users] Re: Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Gene Heskett]

On Wednesday 16 September 2009, Keith Bates wrote:
>I have just had enough of this thread.
>
>I'm quitting the list until Tommy and his side-kicks get over
>themselves.
>
>This list is not about over-promoting petitions and having flame wars
>about a proposal.
>
>I'll come back maybe in a month
>
>Keith
>
Hold the door Keith, I'm right behind you.

>On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 11:09 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote:
>> In data 16 settembre 2009 alle ore 11:02:24, Larry Gusaas
>>
>>  ha scritto:
>> > On 2009/09/16 2:14 AM  Gianluca Turconi wrote:
>> >> In data 16 settembre 2009 alle ore 10:05:42, Presta Rogerator
>> >>
>> >>  ha scritto:
>> >>> Like everyone else here, I'm tired of your stupidity.  You have been
>> >>> told over and over and over how to make your voice heard to the
>> >>> Rennaisance project.  You're apparently too dumb to follow the
>> >>> advice.  It's time someone spoke up and told you in less than polite
>> >>> terms that you're an idiot.
>> >>
>> >> To moderators: are you really tolerating this kind of language here?
>> >
>> > Awfully sensitive, aren't you? I do not see any swear words in that
>> > statement. I can think of several to use about Tommy Cat and his
>> > sidekick, Wild Dog
>>
>> Then, you've never done a moderation work or you did it without the right
>> sensibility towards your list's users.
>>
>> I did moderation for several OOo mailing lists in the past and I'd never
>> have tolerated such personal attacks and language in a public list.
>>
>> Evidently, people are changing for bad nowadays, eh? :(
>


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[users] Datapilot error in Calc.?

[James Elliott]

I am president of an organisation and I am using a membership spreadsheet 
sent to me by my predecessor, Peter,  (who I cannot contact for the moment 
to help me solve this problem).


I have 4 new members to add ... i.e. I need to use 4 rows at the bottom of 
the spreadsheet to enter their data.

I have entered 2, but when I try and enter #3 I get this error message:

"You cannot change this part of the Datapilot table"

Peter did have the word "Filter" in that cell, and below it was a table 
consisting of a short list of members he had obviously sorted according to 
some criterion or filter, but I wasn't interested in this filtered list so I 
deleted it all to make room for more records to be added.


It looks like Peter was using Datapilot (which I do not understand yet) to 
do something and even though I have cleared those cells of all visible 
content there is obviously some non-visible content or reference to those 
cells that is stopping me from entering data into them..


How do I get out of this please? ... so that I can use these 'Datapilot 
cells' to enter membership records.


Many thanks,  James. 



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Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Gene Young]

Tommy27 wrote:



since i think Ribbon suck, i think we should protest against OOo
Ribbonization.
that's my thought and that of the 364 who signed the petition...

you see? the count is always higher!!! :jumping:



With approximately 450,000 users world wide (and I think that is a 
conservative estimate) 364 signers is about 0.08% support for your 
petition.  You are running uphill in a downhill race.  Have an epiphany 
and go away until you can see straight.


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Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Cor Nouws]

Lars,

Lars Nooden wrote (16-9-2009 15:35)


In that mail it looks like he writes about attempting to dodge or
camouflage the issue by calling the activity by a different name.

Your suggestion to gather data seems different and very unrelated to
Mathhias' apparent proposal to copy 'The Ribbon', as far as I can see.


Pls see Matthias' reply in the thread. And believe it. Or not.


   Gathering usability data is a good idea if it leads away from the
complexity and inconsistency of context-sensitive buttons.

There are a lot of low hanging fruit to pick on the UI tree.


You are free to contribute on as many topics and as much as you like. 
But pls don't shoot the people that make different choices than you 
would do.
Speaking for my own: I see the whole world changing with all kind of new 
interfaces. So I don't see any problem at all in taking a fundamental 
look at ours. On the contrary: ignoring the changing world does not seem 
a good idea to me. And am happy that I can give my comments and ask my 
questions on the work in progress.


Ciao - Cor

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Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Gene Young]

Tommy27 wrote:

@Gene Young

people here's accusing me of being the owner of scam site who illegally sell
OOo...
how these people can move such infamous accuses without any proofs?
i'm not a liar... these people are the real liars accusing me of somthing is
not true.




You can really twist statements to convey your desire rather than the 
meaning of the person making the statement.  I do not recall seeing 
anyone state that you are the owner of the scam site, only that you 
promote it.  By utilizing such a site you are, de facto, supporting and 
promoting it because you encourage people to go to it.  You are still 
old news and you should still leave now.


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Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Tommy27]

@Gene Young

people here's accusing me of being the owner of scam site who illegally sell
OOo...
how these people can move such infamous accuses without any proofs?
i'm not a liar... these people are the real liars accusing me of somthing is
not true.



@Manfred J. Krause

i'm not bulldozing anything.
i'm just aswering to the infamous accuses and insults of some reader of this
mailing list.



@Lars Nooden
the developers will never admit they are inspiring to the awful and unusable
MS Ribbon...

to my eyes and of many people who tried the prototype, Renaissance looks
like just a variant, a clone or a very similar GUI (you decide how to call
it) of Ribbon...

since i think Ribbon suck, i think we should protest against OOo
Ribbonization.
that's my thought and that of the 364 who signed the petition...

you see? the count is always higher!!! :jumping:

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Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Lars Nooden]

Cor Nouws wrote:
> Lars Nooden wrote (16-9-2009 14:53)
> 
>> Matthias said much earlier in this thread that what
>> 'renaissance' was about was the implementation (aka copying) of "The
>> Ribbon" in OOo, but called by a different name.  [...]
> 
> He did not. You obviously missed the mail about that
>   http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=198155

In that mail it looks like he writes about attempting to dodge or
camouflage the issue by calling the activity by a different name.

Your suggestion to gather data seems different and very unrelated to
Mathhias' apparent proposal to copy 'The Ribbon', as far as I can see.
   Gathering usability data is a good idea if it leads away from the
complexity and inconsistency of context-sensitive buttons.

There are a lot of low hanging fruit to pick on the UI tree.

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Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Cor Nouws]

Lars Nooden wrote (16-9-2009 14:53)


Matthias said much earlier in this thread that what
'renaissance' was about was the implementation (aka copying) of "The
Ribbon" in OOo, but called by a different name.  
[...]


He did not. You obviously missed the mail about that
  http://www.openoffice.org/servlets/ReadMsg?list=users&msgNo=198155

(I already wondered why you did not give a normal answer.)

Regards,
Cor

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Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Lars Nooden]

Cor Nouws wrote:
> Tommy27 wrote (16-9-2009 7:04)
>> well said John, the Ribbon is gonna kill OOo usability!!!
>>
>> P.S. thanks for signing the petition: updated count is 352
> 
> OpenOffice.org does not plan to implement "the" ribbon. A ribbon-like
> idea only plays a role in prototyping, together with many other
> principles and ideas. This has been explained before. You still continue
> to mislead people :-(

Not really, Cor.  Matthias said much earlier in this thread that what
'renaissance' was about was the implementation (aka copying) of "The
Ribbon" in OOo, but called by a different name.  So far, all the
arguments in favor of copying the failure known commonly as "The Ribbon"
go along the lines of copying it because it is from Microsoft.  Again,
OOo is about providing productivity software not copying.

Base needs real UI work, Writer and Calc probably are the least
problematic.  Fix Base up rather that waste time running to the back of
the pack to follow the follower.

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Re: [users] Templates: -how to change paper size?

[Christian Rößler]

Hallo Cor,

>> After a lot of searching, setting and debugging I noticed it has to be
>> an entry within the document templates he uses: New documents default
>> easily to DIN A4 as wanted; just not these templates.
> Within each separate template you can change it by changing the template
> via File|Template|Edit.
> Changing the "default" document can be done in two steps:
> - create a document with the desired (page) settings and save as template
>   (File|Template|Save)
> - set that template as default
>   (File|Template|Organize,
>select the template in the list left,
>choose Commands|Set As Default Template)

many thanks - due to my experiences I believe this is it!

Have a nice evening (or whatever the timezone you are in will brings
now), and

best regards,
Christian

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Re: [users] Playing Audio Throughout An Entire Impress Presentation

[Christian Lippka]

Hi Dave,

this is a known and still open issue that the sounds do not loop.
I bcc'ed the responsible developer to remind him that he may fix this 
long standing issue better sooner than later :)


All fingers crossed we (the sun paid developers working on OOo) will
have a go from our management to focus on media support in impress
for the near/mid future, including better video integration and support
for narration.

Regards,
Christian

Dave Barton wrote:

Yes, I know this one has been asked a million times before, but the
solutions are always somewhat "hit & miss".

Another user contacted me asking for advice about playing audio
throughout an entire Impress presentation with version 3.1.1. I referred
him to the relevant section of the current Impress User Guide, namely:
Chapter 9, pages 11-12, where it says it is possible to play a sound
throughout the presentation by:


   1.Select the slide where you want the sound to start and go to the
 Slide Transition pane.

   2. In the Modify transition section, select the entry "Other Sound"
  from the Sound drop-down menu.

   3. Select the "Loop until next sound" checkbox if you want the sound
  to restart once it is finished.

Cautionary Note: Do not click the Apply to all button, otherwise
your selected sound will restart at every slide


The other user followed the instructions to the letter and could not get
the audio to play continuously throughout the entire presentation. Being
unsure as to the cause of his issue, I tested this with 3.1.1 on 2
different OS, on 6 different machines, with both existing and newly
created presentations. Each time the result was exactly the same, in
that the audio (regardless of length) played to it's conclusion, but did
not loop until the end of the presentation.

Can anyone point me to an example of presentation where this works?
Unless I am completely overlooking something here (not impossible), I
propose to file a 3.1.1 bug report and request the Authors Project to
add a note to the user guide that point 3 (loop checkbox) above does not
work.

Please cc. any replies to: capf...@verizon.net

TIA

Dave

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Re: [users] Re: [openoffice] Re: [users] Re: Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Manfred J. Krause]

On Wed, Sep 16, 2009 at 13:25, Tommy27  wrote:
>
> @Presta & Larry

[... bushwa ...]


> @Keith

[... bollocks ...]


> @everybody

[... moonshine ...]


Don't bulldoze the mailing list!

Manfred

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Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Gene Young]

Tommy27 wrote:

Presta, you insult people and are unpolite.

shame on you. 

But he doesn't lie.  You need to go away now.

Gene Y.

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Re: [users] Templates: -how to change paper size?

[Cor Nouws]

Hi Christian,

Christian Rößler wrote (16-9-2009 11:22)


I had a problem here: A user reported that whenever he wants to print a
document the paper format defaults to A3, not A4.


This probably indicates that he has a custom template set as default.


After a lot of searching, setting and debugging I noticed it has to be
an entry within the document templates he uses: New documents default
easily to DIN A4 as wanted; just not these templates.

While I am (perhaps) a good sysadmin I am surely not a good OpenOffice
user. So, please, can you give me a hint where I can change the standard
paper format within these .ott-Templates?


Within each separate template you can change it by changing the template
via File|Template|Edit.
Changing the "default" document can be done in two steps:
- create a document with the desired (page) settings and save as template
  (File|Template|Save)
- set that template as default
  (File|Template|Organize,
   select the template in the list left,
   choose Commands|Set As Default Template)

Also see the Help button in that window.

HTH,
Cor


Kindest regards,
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Re: [users] Playing Audio Throughout An Entire Impress Presentation

[Dave Barton]

 Original Message  
From: Harold Fuchs 
To: users@openoffice.org
Date: Wed, 16 Sep 2009 09:05:41 +0100

> 2009/9/16 Dave Barton 
> 
>> Yes, I know this one has been asked a million times before, but the
>> solutions are always somewhat "hit & miss".
>>
>> Another user contacted me asking for advice about playing audio
>> throughout an entire Impress presentation with version 3.1.1. I referred
>> him to the relevant section of the current Impress User Guide, namely:
>> Chapter 9, pages 11-12, where it says it is possible to play a sound
>> throughout the presentation by:
>>
>> 
>>   1.Select the slide where you want the sound to start and go to the
>> Slide Transition pane.
>>
>>   2. In the Modify transition section, select the entry "Other Sound"
>>  from the Sound drop-down menu.
>>
>>   3. Select the "Loop until next sound" checkbox if you want the sound
>>  to restart once it is finished.
>>
>>Cautionary Note: Do not click the Apply to all button, otherwise
>>your selected sound will restart at every slide
>> 
>>
>> The other user followed the instructions to the letter and could not get
>> the audio to play continuously throughout the entire presentation. Being
>> unsure as to the cause of his issue, I tested this with 3.1.1 on 2
>> different OS, on 6 different machines, with both existing and newly
>> created presentations. Each time the result was exactly the same, in
>> that the audio (regardless of length) played to it's conclusion, but did
>> not loop until the end of the presentation.
>>
>> Can anyone point me to an example of presentation where this works?
>> Unless I am completely overlooking something here (not impossible), I
>> propose to file a 3.1.1 bug report and request the Authors Project to
>> add a note to the user guide that point 3 (loop checkbox) above does not
>> work.
>>
>> Please cc. any replies to: capf...@verizon.net
>>
>> TIA
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> Could it be that "Loop until next sound" coupled with the fact that there
> is no *next* sound is causing the behaviour you are seeing? What happens if
> you have a [dummy] last slide with a short & quiet tone "attached" to it?

Thanks for your input Harold. I have just put your suggestion to the
test with a couple of sample presentations. The main audio plays once to
it's conclusion, which is a little over half way through the
presentation and then silence until the [dummy] last slide triggers the
short audio correctly. Unfortunately, the main audio does not loop.

Dave


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[users] Re: [openoffice] Re: [users] Re: Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Tommy27]

@Presta & Larry
your complete loss of education brings you to offend people who don't have
your same opinions...
i'll not come down yo your (very low) level... i'm not going to insult
you... 
you are jusy showing people the person you are with that incivil
behaviour...

@Keith
if you don't like this discussion just leave it...
nobody asked you to come in, and nobody is asking you to stay if you don't
wanna.

@everybody
the petition goes on: 357 signatures right now!!!
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[users] Re: [openoffice] Re: [users] Re: Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Keith Bates]

I have just had enough of this thread.

I'm quitting the list until Tommy and his side-kicks get over
themselves.

This list is not about over-promoting petitions and having flame wars
about a proposal.

I'll come back maybe in a month

Keith

On Wed, 2009-09-16 at 11:09 +0200, Gianluca Turconi wrote:

> In data 16 settembre 2009 alle ore 11:02:24, Larry Gusaas  
>  ha scritto:
> 
> > On 2009/09/16 2:14 AM  Gianluca Turconi wrote:
> >> In data 16 settembre 2009 alle ore 10:05:42, Presta Rogerator  
> >>  ha scritto:
> >>
> >>> Like everyone else here, I'm tired of your stupidity.  You have been  
> >>> told over and over and over how to make your voice heard to the  
> >>> Rennaisance project.  You're apparently too dumb to follow the  
> >>> advice.  It's time someone spoke up and told you in less than polite  
> >>> terms that you're an idiot.
> >>
> >> To moderators: are you really tolerating this kind of language here?
> >
> > Awfully sensitive, aren't you? I do not see any swear words in that  
> > statement. I can think of several to use about Tommy Cat and his  
> > sidekick, Wild Dog
> 
> Then, you've never done a moderation work or you did it without the right  
> sensibility towards your list's users.
> 
> I did moderation for several OOo mailing lists in the past and I'd never  
> have tolerated such personal attacks and language in a public list.
> 
> Evidently, people are changing for bad nowadays, eh? :(


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[users] Setting page number is un-intuative ??

[William Case]

Hi;

Just comparing notes.

I find setting or re-setting the page number un-intuitive.  Every time I
want to start or re-start numbering I end up searching on all the menus
for a way of doing it.  Then I have to once again use Help => Index =>
Page numbers.  From there it takes three or four key strokes or mouse
clicks to make the number change.  Yes, it should be easy to remember
"The new page number is an attribute of the first paragraph of the
page." but it is not -- at least not to me.  It may well be logically
and appropriately an attribute of the first paragraph, but to me it is
an item on its own or properly belongs with stuff about page numbers.

If I gauge how many times I have been asked by others how to do it, and,
the number of times page numbering questions have been asked on this
list, wouldn't it be simpler to add "Page Numbers Start At:" to the 
Insert => Fields => sub-menu.

Maybe a small dialogue that had the following:

Page numbering/re-numbering
A radio button choice for: Whole document, or From this page
A spinner for page number starting at: 0 

Other formatting could remain where they are  i.e Edit Fields, Format
Paragraph.

I wouldn't require any changes to the current commands; just easy access
to the page numbering part of the dialogue on the paragraph formatting
dialogue.

Or, I guess I could write a macro.  That would solve the problem for me,
but not for others.

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[users] Templates: -how to change paper size?

[Christian Rößler]

Good morning,

I had a problem here: A user reported that whenever he wants to print a
document the paper format defaults to A3, not A4.

After a lot of searching, setting and debugging I noticed it has to be
an entry within the document templates he uses: New documents default
easily to DIN A4 as wanted; just not these templates.

While I am (perhaps) a good sysadmin I am surely not a good OpenOffice
user. So, please, can you give me a hint where I can change the standard
paper format within these .ott-Templates?

Best regards, Christian

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Re: [users] Re: Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Gianluca Turconi]

In data 16 settembre 2009 alle ore 11:02:24, Larry Gusaas  
 ha scritto:



On 2009/09/16 2:14 AM  Gianluca Turconi wrote:
In data 16 settembre 2009 alle ore 10:05:42, Presta Rogerator  
 ha scritto:


Like everyone else here, I'm tired of your stupidity.  You have been  
told over and over and over how to make your voice heard to the  
Rennaisance project.  You're apparently too dumb to follow the  
advice.  It's time someone spoke up and told you in less than polite  
terms that you're an idiot.


To moderators: are you really tolerating this kind of language here?


Awfully sensitive, aren't you? I do not see any swear words in that  
statement. I can think of several to use about Tommy Cat and his  
sidekick, Wild Dog


Then, you've never done a moderation work or you did it without the right  
sensibility towards your list's users.


I did moderation for several OOo mailing lists in the past and I'd never  
have tolerated such personal attacks and language in a public list.


Evidently, people are changing for bad nowadays, eh? :(
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[users] Re: Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Larry Gusaas]

On 2009/09/16 2:14 AM  Gianluca Turconi wrote:
In data 16 settembre 2009 alle ore 10:05:42, Presta Rogerator 
 ha scritto:


Like everyone else here, I'm tired of your stupidity.  You have been 
told over and over and over how to make your voice heard to the 
Rennaisance project.  You're apparently too dumb to follow the 
advice.  It's time someone spoke up and told you in less than polite 
terms that you're an idiot.


To moderators: are you really tolerating this kind of language here?


Awfully sensitive, aren't you? I do not see any swear words in that 
statement. I can think of several to use about Tommy Cat and his 
sidekick, Wild Dog



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Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Gianluca Turconi]

In data 16 settembre 2009 alle ore 10:05:42, Presta Rogerator  
 ha scritto:


Like everyone else here, I'm tired of your stupidity.  You have been  
told over and over and over how to make your voice heard to the  
Rennaisance project.  You're apparently too dumb to follow the advice.   
It's time someone spoke up and told you in less than polite terms that  
you're an idiot.


To moderators: are you really tolerating this kind of language here?

Please, take action!

TIA,

Gianluca
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Re: [users] Playing Audio Throughout An Entire Impress Presentation

[Harold Fuchs]

2009/9/16 Dave Barton 

> Yes, I know this one has been asked a million times before, but the
> solutions are always somewhat "hit & miss".
>
> Another user contacted me asking for advice about playing audio
> throughout an entire Impress presentation with version 3.1.1. I referred
> him to the relevant section of the current Impress User Guide, namely:
> Chapter 9, pages 11-12, where it says it is possible to play a sound
> throughout the presentation by:
>
> 
>   1.Select the slide where you want the sound to start and go to the
> Slide Transition pane.
>
>   2. In the Modify transition section, select the entry "Other Sound"
>  from the Sound drop-down menu.
>
>   3. Select the "Loop until next sound" checkbox if you want the sound
>  to restart once it is finished.
>
>Cautionary Note: Do not click the Apply to all button, otherwise
>your selected sound will restart at every slide
> 
>
> The other user followed the instructions to the letter and could not get
> the audio to play continuously throughout the entire presentation. Being
> unsure as to the cause of his issue, I tested this with 3.1.1 on 2
> different OS, on 6 different machines, with both existing and newly
> created presentations. Each time the result was exactly the same, in
> that the audio (regardless of length) played to it's conclusion, but did
> not loop until the end of the presentation.
>
> Can anyone point me to an example of presentation where this works?
> Unless I am completely overlooking something here (not impossible), I
> propose to file a 3.1.1 bug report and request the Authors Project to
> add a note to the user guide that point 3 (loop checkbox) above does not
> work.
>
> Please cc. any replies to: capf...@verizon.net
>
> TIA
>
> Dave
>
> Could it be that "Loop until next sound" coupled with the fact that there
is no *next* sound is causing the behaviour you are seeing? What happens if
you have a [dummy] last slide with a short & quiet tone "attached" to it?



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Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Presta Rogerator]

> From: Tommy27 
> Subject: Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance
> To: users@openoffice.org
> Date: Wednesday, September 16, 2009, 7:52 AM
> 
> Presta, you insult people and are unpolite.
> 
> shame on you. 

Like everyone else here, I'm tired of your stupidity.  You have been told over 
and over and over how to make your voice heard to the Rennaisance project.  
You're apparently too dumb to follow the advice.  It's time someone spoke up 
and told you in less than polite terms that you're an idiot.

Shame on you for being too dumb to follow that advice... shame on you for not 
listening to the polite responses.

I'm done with you and you're foolishness.  Do you know what a "Plonk" is?  
You've been plonked.  You're the weakest link.. .goodbye.

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Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Guy Voets]

Op 15 september 2009 23:23 heeft Cor Nouws  het
volgende geschreven:
> Beste Guy,
>
>
>
> Guy Voets wrote (15-9-2009 16:34)
>>
>> I'll sign when the petition is on a legitimate petition site.
>
> Mag ik vragen waar je voor of tegen gaat tekenen?
>
> Persoonlijk vind ik het een slechte zaak.
> a. er is in het latere protoptype geen sprake van een ribbon en al helemaal
> niet van een MS kopie (dat was in de eerste prototypen ook niet)
> b. het is niet constructief om zo te 'communiceren'
>
> Maar ... hoe kijk jij er tegen aan??
>
> vr. groet,
> Cor
>
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Hello Cor,

For what I've seen, I agree with what Harold Fuchs wrote on Sept. 1st:
My main objections are:
1. The UI shown in the example took far too much screen space.
2. The UI is far less important than many other things in OOo. If
there are resources available they should be deployed fixing major
bugs and/or implementing popularly requested enhancements.

I might add that communication about this project hasn't been too
clear and informative, so rumour tends to take over, which is a bad
thing for Open Source. I think we agree on that
-- 
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[users] FYI: Math related OpenSymbol font changes

[Thomas Lange - Sun Germany - ham02 - Hamburg]

Hia all,

I created issue 105084 in order to address several Math related problems
with the OpenSmbol font. If anyone likes to know about what is planned,
please have a look in the document attached to that issue.

It would be especially nice if someone could review the new planned
unicode points in case there might me a problem/error.


Regards,
Thomas

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Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Tommy27]

Presta, you insult people and are unpolite.

shame on you. 
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Re: [users] Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Presta Rogerator]

> Tommy27 wrote (16-9-2009 7:04)
> > well said John, the Ribbon is gonna kill OOo
> usability!!!
> > 
> > P.S. thanks for signing the petition: updated count is
> 352
> 
> OpenOffice.org does not plan to implement "the" ribbon. A
> ribbon-like idea only plays a role in prototyping, together
> with many other principles and ideas. This has been
> explained before. You still continue to mislead people :-(

This Tommy idiot doesn't understand.. Internet petitions do absolutely ZERO!!  
They have ZERO influence.  They achieve absolutely nothing.  Show me ONE 
Internet petition that had ANY impact at all on the topic it was supporting.  
There isn't one.

All that is happening is people are getting annoyed by all this SPAM about 
signing the useless petition.  Tommy is all excited because in the past month 
50 people have signed this mindless useless meaningless petition.  The petition 
does nothing but make him look like a total troll.

Tommy, you can rant and rave like this as much as you want, but you're only 
making yourself look more and more and more like a total fool - as Cor was 
politely trying to point out.  You rant and rave on the forum, to the point you 
got a ban warning, and threads you participate in are locked... you just don't 
get it.  You're only looking stupid.  If you bothered to join the Renaissance 
project and contribute there you could influence the direction the project is 
going... propose something better promoting a useless petition on a site 
full of scam links will do ZERO.

A lot of us, myself included do not like the proposal.  The smart ones among us 
provided feedback to the Project explaining in rational terms what we saw was 
wrong with the proposal.  The dumb ones rage about here like an annoying 2 year 
old with Attention Deficit Disorder.

I've had enough... and I know a LOT here have had enough of this petition 
nonsense.  Shut up about it already!  Let this mailing list return to what is 
was designed for.. users helping users.  Stop polluting the list with your 
idiocy and your misleading and false accusations.

Rog


  

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Re: [users] Re: Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Gianluca Turconi]

In data 16 settembre 2009 alle ore 09:22:24, Joe(theWordy)Philbrook  
 ha scritto:



Personally I don't care what they do to the "out of the
box" default UI.  Just as long as they keep the changes a user  
configurable

choice.


Amen! :-)

Customization is the magic word, I suppose. Of course, as far as that  
customization really can reproduce the previous user experience for those  
people that don't like the new one.

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[users] Re: Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Joe(theWordy)Philbrook]

It would appear that on Sep 15, The Beaver did say:

> Nobody with a brain is actually going to stop using OOo just because it has a
> ribbon.  An intuitive interface is a plus and if the ribbon can be made to
> work instead of just hide everything like MS does, then it is a good thing.
> Quit bitchin' and start helping!  It has been noted that some people do not
> like the ribbon mostly because they view it as copying MS.  Eventually, when
> more features are added, the ribbons will be full and will not look like
> wasted real estate. Floyd

That might depend... While I'd like to think they aren't actually going to
copy MS, in order to explain my feelings, I too am going to point at
something MS did to their office product some time ago. Do you remember
when they introduced that "paperclip". At the time I had MS Office on
my assigned PC at work. All I wanted was a way to tell it to stay hid
unless I ask for help. But to keep it from waving at me whenever it
wanted to suggest something, I wound up disabling so much of the help
system that the F1 key became useless... (that was when I first looked
into Star Office, which soon led me to Open Office... And I've been
choosing it ever since.)

If they provide a way for an OOo user who feels that some or all of the
old UI was more intuitive than the new one, to selectively turn off the
new features and restore the old appearance and behavior, then your
probably right about that "Nobody with a brain" bit...
But if they just cram something down their existing user bases throats.
Especially if it effectively says: "We have decided that this is more
intuitive than the what your already used to, so like it or not, you will
have to 'just get used to it'..." Then, even if they "did" actually make
it more intuitive, at least SOME of us, even some of the ones with brains,
will look elsewhere.  Personally I don't care what they do to the "out of the
box" default UI.  Just as long as they keep the changes a user configurable
choice. Then, I'll keep choosing to use it.  

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Re: [users] Re: Petition against OOo Renaissance

[Gianluca Turconi]

In data 15 settembre 2009 alle ore 19:54:56, Larry Gusaas  
 ha scritto:



On 2009/09/15 6:33 AM  Tommy27 wrote:

i'm not the first author of the petition so i cannot edit it...



Then get you pet dingo to do it. He created it. Unless it is changed you  
are both scam artists. By promoting this petition you are promoting the  
scam artists in the links on the petitions.


Caveat: this is my very own opinion and it's just a friendly suggestion in  
order to calm this discussion down.




Pay attention, Larry, that the sentence I quoted above *may* be pursued  
according to criminal law in my (and Tommy's) country.


Seriously accusing someone of a crime, without evidence, it's a crime too.  
It's libel, when written in an email.


Many people in flame wars of any kind usually don't understand when they  
have trespassed the border of legality with their words.


So, please, try to formulate your wordings by taking care of their  
possible consequences in a public space like this mailing list.




Then, migrating the petition to a less questioned website is not a bad  
idea. :-)

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