Re: [users] outline numbering - related to Outlining?

2009-10-19 Thread lllact...@gmx.net
James wrote:
> On 10/14/09 00:02, Barbara Duprey wrote:
>> James wrote:
>>> I'm having numbering problems. :-(
>>>
>>> lockie.ca/test/OOoutline.odt
>>>
>>> Highlight the first line and select the Heading1 style.
>>> Second line gets Heading2.
>>> Third line gets Heading1.
>>> Fourth line gets Heading2.
>>>
>>> I want it to be numbered:
>>> 1.
>>> 1.1
>>> 2.
>>> 2.1
>>>
>>> but I get:
>>> 1.
>>> 1.1
>>> 2.
>>> 1.2
>>
>> If you go to Tools > Outline Numbering, Numbering tab, for a
>> particular paragraph style and level, you can set "Separator after"
>> as you want. I think that should do it for you.
>
> Thanks, the problem is the second level.
>
The problem will disappear when Outlining (like in M$Word since Word 7)
is implemented. It is already a request that is 7 years old, but a
stillbirth.

http://www.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=3959 (Opened: Wed Apr
10 19:39:00 + 2002)

The outline numbering you are using now is a sad alternative to real
outlining (and do not come with the Navigator as outliner!). See the
long discussions in the feature request since Apr 10 19:39:00 2002. This
is the only reason that many who need to write extensive outlined
documents still remain with M$Word (with Wine on CrossOver Office). I
became an older MacBook recently, and there are some software packages
for outlining on Mac as well, but no outlining is available for Mac on
OOo or NeoOffice (OOo branch for Mac) either.

:-(
Al




[users] OpenOffice 3.0.0 (9358): back it up or save data like Kbd shortcuts

2009-10-19 Thread john d. herron
Moving to Kubuntu Hardy. Would like to replace its standard version of 
OOorg 2.4 with my current 3.0.0.
Is it possible to back it up and restore it into Hardy, or at least to 
somehow preserve things like my custom keyboard shortcuts?


john herron
_
Kubuntu 7.04 Feisty Fawn
Linux 2.6.20-17 generic
KDE 3.5.6 - OpenOffice v 3.0.0



[users] The page format is changed when use OOo 3.x to open the .doc file

2009-10-19 Thread Tony Li
Dears, I have many .doc files created by MS office 2003, I have table in the 
.doc file, now I uninstalled MS Office from my PC and replaced as OOo3.x, when 
I use OOo Writer to open the .doc files I found the page format is changed, 

Only one page if we open a.doc file use MS Office 2003, and it became two pages 
when I open a.doc file use OOo Writer. 

How can I open a.doc with OOo Writer that same as use MS Office 2003, only show 
us one page not two.

Best Regards!



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Re: [users] Re: How to insert cut cells in Cacl

2009-10-19 Thread Pradeep Srinivas






On Monday 19 October 2009 21:18:37 Harold Fuchs wrote:
> jomali wrote:
<<>>
> > steven.kopisc...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> >> Andreas Saeger wrote:
> >>> Tony Li wrote:
<<>> 
> Hmm. I can get drag & drop to work on a selection of cells but not
>  on a selection of *rows* or *columns*. If I drag while a *column*
>  or *row* is selected, the selection just gets bigger or smaller -
>  rows/columns are added or removed from the selection depending on
>  the direction of the drag. What am I missing here?
> 
Harold, 

If you click on a column "header" or a row "header" [namely the "A", 
"B", "C" etc for a column and 1, 2, 3 for the rows] to select the 
whole column [or row], click and hold the mouse over the selected 
cells in the column [or row] - which would, in this case, be all the 
cells in the column/row - then, you can drag the column/row.

Is this what you were wanting to do, or have I missed the point 
entirely ?  In the latter case, my apologies.

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[users] Re: How to insert cut cells in Cacl

2009-10-19 Thread Andreas Saeger

John Kaufmann wrote:

In a message dated 2009.10.19 16:14 -0500, Andreas Saeger wrote:


That works for cells, but I can't make it work for columns/rows.


Agreed. With whole columns/rows you seem to need cut (or copy) &
paste and, in this case, you must insert the new column/row before
pasting. Dragging a column just adds/removes columns to/from the
selection.


It works for me with rows and columns. You can't drag columns and
rows, but you can select them and then drag the resulting range
selection.


That is, a range of multiple /incomplete/ rows and columns - a rectangle 
of cells - correct?


Complete or incomplete does not matter. A range is a rectangle or a 
vector(row/column) of cells.
You can't drag entire rows, but the range that gets selected when you 
click a row header. Same with columns.
Unlike Excel, you can grab a highlighted range anywhere in the 
highlighted area. In Excel you have to grab the range's border.
Unlike Excel, you can not drag the single active cell. You've got to 
highlight the single cell first (Ctrl+Click).



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[users] Re: Default tab stops

2009-10-19 Thread Joe Smith

On 10/19/2009 02:35 PM, John Kaufmann wrote:
> Joe, I've learned that you think about these things at a pretty deep
> level, so I try to make sure I understand the nuances...

I'm no expert, by any means; I'm just interested in using OOo effectively.

> In a message dated 2009.10.19 11:54 -0500, Joe Smith wrote:
>
>> The concept of "default tab stops" or "tab at every half-inch" are
>> only supported at the application level, not per paragraph, and you
>> will do well to avoid them in any case.
>> ...
>> Setting a paragraph's tab stops using the Format > Paragraph dialog
>> window is like a sharp stick in the eye--use the rulers instead.
>

Why is it better to define a Paragraph style's tab stop(s) [which,
to use the rulers, must be defined to AutoUpdate, correct?] with the
rulers rather than numerically?


Mainly for two reasons:

1) You can clearly see what you're doing.

If I have paragraphs containing two distinct items separated by a tab, 
and I want the items to appear in two neat columns, I can simply click 
on the ruler and drag the tab stop to a position that's wide enough for 
all the items in the left column; I can easily see everything I need to 
set the tab stop at an appropriate position.


Changing the tab stop later is just as easy.

2) The tab dialog is difficult to use.

The dialog's design makes it impossible to edit a tab stop. You have to 
delete the stop and add it again, in the process, losing the alignment 
and leader settings.


Further, the change/view cycle is awkward: You have to open the dialog, 
make a guess at the position, then confirm with OK and check how it 
looks--then, if it's not right, rinse and repeat.


You're right that using the ruler to edit the tab stops in a style is a 
bit of a nuisance. I generally just grit my teeth and use the Edit Style 
dialog, or move the tab(s) with the ruler and then update the style 
manually. I don't much like the idea of auto-updating styles, so I 
haven't tried that route.


For a one-off job, I just use direct formatting from the ruler--nothing 
wrong with that, IMO.


On 10/19/2009 03:04 PM, Michael Adams wrote:

...
Setting a paragraph's tab stops using the Format>  Paragraph dialog
window is like a sharp stick in the eye--use the rulers instead.


Not if you want precise distances. Some are happy with near enough
being good enough - others want anally perfect. OT Comments below*.


Very true. If you need precise positions, you have to use the dialog.

There is a lot of support for an enhancement[*] to make the rulers snap 
to some convenient spacing--0.1" or 0.1cm, something like that. That 
would make it reasonably easy to get precise stops from the ruler.



If you need more than one or two stops in a paragraph, you may be
better off with a table.


Yes, perhaps i should have. I wanted a scale of numbers equally spaced
across one line in the document.


I can think of a few ways to do that; what's best would likely depend on 
what you need the scale for. If you wanted to use tabs, you're right: It 
would probably be easier to just enter the positions in the dialog.



* Sir Isaac Newton, the renowned alchemist, is the one that did the
experiment where he poked a sharp stick (a bodkin) into his eye socket.


Fascinating. ;-)

[*] Issue 24070: Items on ruler (i.e. tab stops, paragraph indent, table 
borders) should snap.

http://qa.openoffice.org/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=24070


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Re: [users] Re: How to insert cut cells in Cacl

2009-10-19 Thread John Kaufmann

In a message dated 2009.10.19 16:14 -0500, Andreas Saeger wrote:


That works for cells, but I can't make it work for columns/rows.


Agreed. With whole columns/rows you seem to need cut (or copy) &
paste and, in this case, you must insert the new column/row before
pasting. Dragging a column just adds/removes columns to/from the
selection.


It works for me with rows and columns. You can't drag columns and
rows, but you can select them and then drag the resulting range
selection.


That is, a range of multiple /incomplete/ rows and columns - a rectangle 
of cells - correct?


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[users] Re: How to insert cut cells in Cacl

2009-10-19 Thread Andreas Saeger

Harold Fuchs wrote:

Steven Kopischke wrote:

Harold Fuchs wrote:



That works for cells, but I can't make it work for columns/rows.



Agreed. With whole columns/rows you seem to need cut (or copy) & paste 
and, in this case, you must insert the new column/row before pasting. 
Dragging a column just adds/removes columns to/from the selection.





It works for me with rows and columns. You can't drag columns and rows, 
but you can select them and then drag the resulting range selection.



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Re: [users] Re: Default tab stops

2009-10-19 Thread John Kaufmann
Joe, I had not idea that "Default tab stops" could yield so much insight 
into the design of OO and Writer, but Michael Adams' excellent point - 
based on a perfectly valid application of periodic tab stops [which, it 
is true, could be done as a table], puts the original question perfectly:


In a message dated 2009.10.19 11:54 -0500, Joe Smith wrote:


Had a little trouble setting default tab stops in writer today. I
wanted to set them for one paragraph only, ...


The only thing I can't find a way to do is to specify, for example
"every 1/2 inch". Perhaps someone else would enlighten us ...


The concept of "default tab stops" or "tab at every half-inch" are only 
supported at the application level, not per paragraph, and you will do 
well to avoid them in any case.  ...


So then why are they supported at the program level?  And, as they are 
supported at the program level, why not at the user's document/paragraph 
level?  After all, tab stops - default or otherwise - are clearly a 
concern for the use (as Michael's example reminds us), not for the 
program.  Having already accepted the idea of default periodic tab 
stops, what is gained by Writer denying their employment at the level of 
the user's intent - document-wide, page-wide, frame-wide or paragraph-wide?


John

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Re: [users] Technical futures of OpenOffice.org calc

2009-10-19 Thread Andy

Олег Пашута wrote:

Hello OpenOffice.org,

Ineedto  know  technical  features of Open Offce calc, such as
for MS Office Excel (example below):

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel/HP051992911033.aspx

please,giveme   the   direct  link to this information or give
methe   answerbefore   you   place   this   subject   on   the
openoffice.org  web-site, if  it  is  not yet there.

Thanks before!



You can find the specs for OpenOffice.org at 
http://specs.openoffice.org/ , though not in the same form as your example.


HTH

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Re: [users] Re: Default tab stops

2009-10-19 Thread Michael Adams
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 11:54:43 -0400
Came this utterance formulated by Joe Smith to my mailbox:

> On 10/19/2009 04:07 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote:
> > 2009/10/19 Michael Adams
> >> Had a little trouble setting default tab stops in writer today. I
> >wanted> to set them for one paragraph only, ...
> > ...
> > The only thing I can't find a way to do is to specify, for example
> > "every 1/2 inch". Perhaps someone else would enlighten us on this
> > aspect. Please.
> 
> The concept of "default tab stops" or "tab at every half-inch" are
> only supported at the application level, not per paragraph, and you
> will do well to avoid them in any case.
> 
> If you need tab stops--content aligned vertically at a specific 
> position--you should set a specific tab stop for it. Writer will copy 
> that setting when you start a new paragraph, or better, define a style
> that you can apply as needed.
> 
> It may seem less convenient than just "pressing Tab until things line 
> up," but this way you'll have much better control over the layout and 
> spend less time fiddling around trying to get things lined up.
> 
> Setting a paragraph's tab stops using the Format > Paragraph dialog 
> window is like a sharp stick in the eye--use the rulers instead.

Not if you want precise distances. Some are happy with near enough
being good enough - others want anally perfect. OT Comments below*.

> If you need more than one or two stops in a paragraph, you may be
> better off with a table. 

Yes, perhaps i should have. I wanted a scale of numbers equally spaced
across one line in the document.

> More on setting tabs in Writer:
> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Writer_Guide/Format_paragraphs
> 
 
* Sir Isaac Newton, the renowned alchemist, is the one that did the
experiment where he poked a sharp stick (a bodkin) into his eye socket.


-- 
Michael

All shall be well, and all shall be well, and all manner of things shall
be well

 - Julian of Norwich 1342 - 1416

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[users] Technical futures of OpenOffice.org calc

2009-10-19 Thread Олег Пашута
Hello OpenOffice.org,

Ineedto  know  technical  features of Open Offce calc, such as
for MS Office Excel (example below):

http://office.microsoft.com/en-us/excel/HP051992911033.aspx

please,giveme   the   direct  link to this information or give
methe   answerbefore   you   place   this   subject   on   the
openoffice.org  web-site, if  it  is  not yet there.

Thanks before!

-- 
Best regards,
 Олег  mailto:midih...@ukr.net


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Re: [users] Re: Trouble entering data in Base

2009-10-19 Thread JOE Conner
That seems OK.  I suggest you ask your question to the BASE support 
users list:  us...@dba.openoffice.org

Joe

Arnold Roth wrote:

The Index is INT. Size is 10 and auto increment is on.
"JOE Conner"  wrote in message 
news:4adbe250.40...@gmail.com...


Arnold Roth wrote:

I have been entering data into a table using a form.  The data are all
in one table and the form has links to all the fields in the table
except for the autoincrementing primary key field.  I have
sporadically been entering the data with no problems but after
entering about 10 records I reoponed the form and entered another
record and got an error message about not being able to enter the
record because of a non-unique index field.  I don't seem to be able
to get around this error.  I noticed that when I open the form it
thinks I am on record 1 instead of record 11.

I'm stumped.  Can anyone tell me what the problem might be?

Thanks in advance for your help.

What is the size allocated for your autorecord file?  INT? LONGINT?
DOUBLE? LONG DOUBLE?




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Re: [users] Re: Default tab stops

2009-10-19 Thread John Kaufmann
Joe, I've learned that you think about these things at a pretty deep 
level, so I try to make sure I understand the nuances...


In a message dated 2009.10.19 11:54 -0500, Joe Smith wrote:


Had a little trouble setting default tab stops in writer today. I
wanted to set them for one paragraph only, ...


The only thing I can't find a way to do is to specify, for example
"every 1/2 inch". Perhaps someone else would enlighten us ...


The concept of "default tab stops" or "tab at every half-inch" are only 
supported at the application level, not per paragraph, and you will do 
well to avoid them in any case.

 ...
Setting a paragraph's tab stops using the Format > Paragraph dialog 
window is like a sharp stick in the eye--use the rulers instead.


Why is it better to define a Paragraph style's tab stop(s) [which, to 
use the rulers, must be defined to AutoUpdate, correct?] with the rulers 
rather than numerically?


John

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[users] Re: header and footers

2009-10-19 Thread Michael Reich
Brian Barker posted some pretty detailed instructions on creating page 
styles to do what you need on July 11 (msg. 199958).



On 10/19/09 users-digest-h...@openoffice.org wrote:

Subject:
header and footers
From:
Jurgen Heerink 
Date:
Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:25:53 +

To:



Hi,

 


Could someone pls help with with the following problem.

I am creating a report but I don't want to have a header and footer on the 
first 3 pages.

So from the 4th till the last, as well as the page numbering.

 


Thanks in advance,

 

 


Jurgen



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[users] Re: header and footers

2009-10-19 Thread Michael Reich

Jurgen:

You'll need to create two page styles: one for the first 3 pages without 
header/footer and page number, and one beginning with page four which 
has the desired header/footer and page numbering.  It's not very 
intuitive, but once you get the hang of it, it works pretty well.   
Create the styles first (use the Help function) and then apply them to 
the desired pages.


Look at the list archives; there are some detailed explanations of using 
styles for this purpose in the past 6 months or so.  HTH.


-Michael

On 10/19/09 users-digest-h...@openoffice.org wrote:

Subject:
header and footers
From:
Jurgen Heerink 
Date:
Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:25:53 +

To:



Hi,

 


Could someone pls help with with the following problem.

I am creating a report but I don't want to have a header and footer on the 
first 3 pages.

So from the 4th till the last, as well as the page numbering.

 


Thanks in advance,

 

 


Jurgen



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Re: [users] Re: How to insert cut cells in Cacl

2009-10-19 Thread The Morses

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Re: [users] Re: How to insert cut cells in Cacl

2009-10-19 Thread Harold Fuchs

Steven Kopischke wrote:

Harold Fuchs wrote:

Steven Kopischke wrote:



jomali wrote:
I don't know that this is unique to OOo, since that's the way Excel 
(2000)
works as well. I just tried it to refresh my memory, since I rarely 
use
Excel anymore. However, in Excel, if you try to drag & drop a 
column, you
get a warning about replacing the data in the target column. In 
Calc, there
is no warning. The moved column's data silently replaces the old 
column's

data, leaving a blank column behind.


  
The drag and drop experience may not be unique to Excel, but the 
"you must insert columns before cut & paste" is, in my experience, 
unique to OOo Calc.



Perhaps before cut & paste but drag & drop seems to be different. See 
Calc's Help under Drag & Drop > Moving Cells. The effect you get 
depends on the keys you hold down as you release the mouse button - 
Ctrl, Alt & Shift in different combinations.



That works for cells, but I can't make it work for columns/rows.



Agreed. With whole columns/rows you seem to need cut (or copy) & paste 
and, in this case, you must insert the new column/row before pasting. 
Dragging a column just adds/removes columns to/from the selection.



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[users] Re: Default tab stops

2009-10-19 Thread Joe Smith

On 10/19/2009 04:07 AM, Harold Fuchs wrote:

2009/10/19 Michael Adams

Had a little trouble setting default tab stops in writer today. I wanted
to set them for one paragraph only, ...

...
The only thing I can't find a way to do is to specify, for example "every
1/2 inch". Perhaps someone else would enlighten us on this aspect. Please.


The concept of "default tab stops" or "tab at every half-inch" are only 
supported at the application level, not per paragraph, and you will do 
well to avoid them in any case.


If you need tab stops--content aligned vertically at a specific 
position--you should set a specific tab stop for it. Writer will copy 
that setting when you start a new paragraph, or better, define a style 
that you can apply as needed.


It may seem less convenient than just "pressing Tab until things line 
up," but this way you'll have much better control over the layout and 
spend less time fiddling around trying to get things lined up.


Setting a paragraph's tab stops using the Format > Paragraph dialog 
window is like a sharp stick in the eye--use the rulers instead.


If you need more than one or two stops in a paragraph, you may be better 
off with a table.


More on setting tabs in Writer:
http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Documentation/OOo3_User_Guides/Writer_Guide/Format_paragraphs



Re: [users] Re: How to insert cut cells in Cacl

2009-10-19 Thread Steven Kopischke

Harold Fuchs wrote:

Steven Kopischke wrote:



jomali wrote:
I don't know that this is unique to OOo, since that's the way Excel 
(2000)

works as well. I just tried it to refresh my memory, since I rarely use
Excel anymore. However, in Excel, if you try to drag & drop a 
column, you
get a warning about replacing the data in the target column. In 
Calc, there
is no warning. The moved column's data silently replaces the old 
column's

data, leaving a blank column behind.


  
The drag and drop experience may not be unique to Excel, but the "you 
must insert columns before cut & paste" is, in my experience, unique 
to OOo Calc.



Perhaps before cut & paste but drag & drop seems to be different. See 
Calc's Help under Drag & Drop > Moving Cells. The effect you get 
depends on the keys you hold down as you release the mouse button - 
Ctrl, Alt & Shift in different combinations.



That works for cells, but I can't make it work for columns/rows.



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Re: [users] Re: How to insert cut cells in Cacl

2009-10-19 Thread Harold Fuchs

jomali wrote:

I don't know that this is unique to OOo, since that's the way Excel (2000)
works as well. I just tried it to refresh my memory, since I rarely use
Excel anymore. However, in Excel, if you try to drag & drop a column, you
get a warning about replacing the data in the target column. In Calc, there
is no warning. The moved column's data silently replaces the old column's
data, leaving a blank column behind.

John

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Steven Kopischke <
steven.kopisc...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

  

Andreas Saeger wrote:



Tony Li wrote:

  

Dears, could somebody give the tips on how to insert cut cells in cacl,

My requirement is:

1) Select on row / column in cacl, and click cut

2) Insert the cut row / column to another place like between column A
and column B without overwriting the content in column B.




One of the weaknesses of OOo is that you have to insert the rows/columns
  

before cutting and pasting.

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Hmm. I can get drag & drop to work on a selection of cells but not on a 
selection of *rows* or *columns*. If I drag while a *column* or *row* is 
selected, the selection just gets bigger or smaller - rows/columns are 
added or removed from the selection depending on the direction of the 
drag. What am I missing here?


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Re: [users] Re: How to insert cut cells in Cacl

2009-10-19 Thread Harold Fuchs

Steven Kopischke wrote:



jomali wrote:
I don't know that this is unique to OOo, since that's the way Excel 
(2000)

works as well. I just tried it to refresh my memory, since I rarely use
Excel anymore. However, in Excel, if you try to drag & drop a column, 
you
get a warning about replacing the data in the target column. In Calc, 
there
is no warning. The moved column's data silently replaces the old 
column's

data, leaving a blank column behind.


  
The drag and drop experience may not be unique to Excel, but the "you 
must insert columns before cut & paste" is, in my experience, unique 
to OOo Calc.



Perhaps before cut & paste but drag & drop seems to be different. See 
Calc's Help under Drag & Drop > Moving Cells. The effect you get depends 
on the keys you hold down as you release the mouse button - Ctrl, Alt & 
Shift in different combinations.


--
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London, England
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Re: [users] header and footer from page 4

2009-10-19 Thread Michael Adams
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 10:04:19 +
Came this utterance formulated by Jurgen Heerink to my mailbox:

> 
> Hi,
> 
> I have problems with the headers and footers in Open Office and I have
> no idea how to solve it, I read all the information on the internet
> but it still does not work for me.
> 
> I am creating a report and I want the page numbering and the headers
> and footers starting from page 4. First page is Title, 2nd a
> confidentiality agreement and the 3rd is the table of contents. So the
> report _starts_ at page 4.
> 
> Could someone pls help me cause I am totally stuck at the moment_
> 

In OpenOffice.org this is achieved through two different page styles.
One without the header and/or footer and one with them. You can read up
on page styles:
http://documentation.openoffice.org/

Specifically chapters 6 and 7 in the writers guide. You can download
the complete book as a PDF: 
http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/userguide3/0200WG3-WriterGuide.pdf
or the individual chapters:
http://documentation.openoffice.org/manuals/userguide3/index.html

More specifically read the subheadings "The Styles and Formatting
Window", "Applying Page Styles" in chapter 6 and "Working with Page
Styles" in chapter 7.

This is not something you are expected to be familiar with if you have
come from Microsoft Word. Word does not have the power of styles applied
to pages.

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Re: [users] Re: How to insert cut cells in Cacl

2009-10-19 Thread Steven Kopischke



jomali wrote:

I don't know that this is unique to OOo, since that's the way Excel (2000)
works as well. I just tried it to refresh my memory, since I rarely use
Excel anymore. However, in Excel, if you try to drag & drop a column, you
get a warning about replacing the data in the target column. In Calc, there
is no warning. The moved column's data silently replaces the old column's
data, leaving a blank column behind.


  
The drag and drop experience may not be unique to Excel, but the "you 
must insert columns before cut & paste" is, in my experience, unique to 
OOo Calc.



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Re: [users] Re: How to insert cut cells in Cacl

2009-10-19 Thread jomali
I don't know that this is unique to OOo, since that's the way Excel (2000)
works as well. I just tried it to refresh my memory, since I rarely use
Excel anymore. However, in Excel, if you try to drag & drop a column, you
get a warning about replacing the data in the target column. In Calc, there
is no warning. The moved column's data silently replaces the old column's
data, leaving a blank column behind.

John

On Mon, Oct 19, 2009 at 10:27 AM, Steven Kopischke <
steven.kopisc...@sbcglobal.net> wrote:

> Andreas Saeger wrote:
>
>> Tony Li wrote:
>>
>>> Dears, could somebody give the tips on how to insert cut cells in cacl,
>>>
>>> My requirement is:
>>>
>>> 1) Select on row / column in cacl, and click cut
>>>
>>> 2) Insert the cut row / column to another place like between column A
>>> and column B without overwriting the content in column B.
>>>
>>>
>> One of the weaknesses of OOo is that you have to insert the rows/columns
> before cutting and pasting.
>
> SK
>
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Re: [users] Re: How to insert cut cells in Cacl

2009-10-19 Thread Steven Kopischke

Andreas Saeger wrote:

Tony Li wrote:

Dears, could somebody give the tips on how to insert cut cells in cacl,
 


My requirement is:

1) Select on row / column in cacl, and click cut

2) Insert the cut row / column to another place like between 
column A

and column B without overwriting the content in column B.
 
One of the weaknesses of OOo is that you have to insert the rows/columns 
before cutting and pasting.


SK


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[users] Re: How to insert cut cells in Cacl

2009-10-19 Thread Andreas Saeger

Tony Li wrote:
Dears, could somebody give the tips on how to insert cut cells in cacl, 

 


My requirement is:

1) Select on row / column in cacl, and click cut

2) Insert the cut row / column to another place like between column A
and column B without overwriting the content in column B. 

 


Best Regards!

Tony Li

 

 





Use drag&drop and drop with the Alt-key being pressed.
Ctrl+Alt+Drop copies the cells in between the target columns.


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[users] Re: Special formats in Base

2009-10-19 Thread Arnold Roth
Thanks jomali.  I'm such an idiot.  That should have been obvious but it got 
right by me.


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From: "jomali" 

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Sent: Saturday, October 17, 2009 9:46 AM
Subject: Re: Special formats in Base



You're doing nothing wrong, Arnold. The display format of the data is one
thing and the data in the database is another. Why would you want to waste
space in the database to store the parentheses, spaces and dash in the 
phone

number when you can interpret it as you wish on output?

John

On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 7:47 PM, Arnold Roth  wrote:

I have created a form to enter data where one of the fields is a 
telephone

number.  In setting up the table, I entered a custom format  as
"("xxx")"xxx"-".  This shows as I expected (area code in parentheses
followed by the digits) in the format box.

When I enter phone numbers in the form, they simply appear in the table 
as

a string of numbers without the formatting.

Can anyone tell me what I'm doing wrong?  Thanks

Arnold Roth


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Re: [users] How to insert cut cells in Cacl

2009-10-19 Thread Harold Fuchs
2009/10/19 Tony Li 

> Thanks, Harold, but when paste, that will overwrite the existing data
>
> Best Regards!
> Tony Li
>

Not if you do #5 (Insert row/column) first; the data get pasted into the new
(inserted) row/column because it is still selected from #3 (the actual
row/column you selected in #3 gets moved down/right and the new row/column
acquires the focus i.e. becomes the selected row/column (it also acquires
the row/column number/letter of the moved row/column).


>
> -Original Message-
> From: Harold Fuchs [mailto:hwfa.openoff...@googlemail.com]
> Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 4:55 PM
> To: users@openoffice.org
> Subject: Re: [users] How to insert cut cells in Cacl
>
> 2009/10/19 Tony Li 
>
> > Dears, could somebody give the tips on how to insert cut cells in cacl,
> >
> >
> >
> > My requirement is:
> >
> > 1) Select on row / column in cacl, and click cut
> >
> > 2) Insert the cut row / column to another place like between column A
> > and column B without overwriting the content in column B.
> >
> >
> > 1. Select the row/column
> 2. Edit>Cut (or Right click>Cut)
> 3. Select the row/column *before which* the data are to go
> 4. Right click the selected row/column
> 5. Insert Row/column
> 6. Edit>Paste (or Right click>Paste)
>
> Note that step #2 cuts the data but does not remove the column/row. That
> would need an extra step.
>
>
>
> --
> Harold Fuchs
> London, England
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[users] header and footer from page 4

2009-10-19 Thread Jurgen Heerink


Hi,

 

I have problems with the headers and footers in Open Office and I have no idea 
how to solve it, I read all the information on the internet but it still does 
not work for me.

 

I am creating a report and I want the page numbering and the headers and 
footers starting from page 4. First page is Title, 2nd a confidentiality 
agreement and the 3rd is the table of contents. So the report ’starts’ at page 
4.

 

Could someone pls help me cause I am totally stuck at the moment…

 

Thanks in advance!

 

 

Jurgen
  
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RE: [users] How to insert cut cells in Cacl

2009-10-19 Thread Tony Li
Thanks, Harold, but when paste, that will overwrite the existing data

Best Regards!
Tony Li

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-Original Message-
From: Harold Fuchs [mailto:hwfa.openoff...@googlemail.com] 
Sent: Monday, October 19, 2009 4:55 PM
To: users@openoffice.org
Subject: Re: [users] How to insert cut cells in Cacl

2009/10/19 Tony Li 

> Dears, could somebody give the tips on how to insert cut cells in cacl,
>
>
>
> My requirement is:
>
> 1) Select on row / column in cacl, and click cut
>
> 2) Insert the cut row / column to another place like between column A
> and column B without overwriting the content in column B.
>
>
> 1. Select the row/column
2. Edit>Cut (or Right click>Cut)
3. Select the row/column *before which* the data are to go
4. Right click the selected row/column
5. Insert Row/column
6. Edit>Paste (or Right click>Paste)

Note that step #2 cuts the data but does not remove the column/row. That
would need an extra step.



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Re: [users] How to insert cut cells in Cacl

2009-10-19 Thread Harold Fuchs
2009/10/19 Tony Li 

> Dears, could somebody give the tips on how to insert cut cells in cacl,
>
>
>
> My requirement is:
>
> 1) Select on row / column in cacl, and click cut
>
> 2) Insert the cut row / column to another place like between column A
> and column B without overwriting the content in column B.
>
>
> 1. Select the row/column
2. Edit>Cut (or Right click>Cut)
3. Select the row/column *before which* the data are to go
4. Right click the selected row/column
5. Insert Row/column
6. Edit>Paste (or Right click>Paste)

Note that step #2 cuts the data but does not remove the column/row. That
would need an extra step.



-- 
Harold Fuchs
London, England
Please reply *only* to users@openoffice.org


[users] How to insert cut cells in Cacl

2009-10-19 Thread Tony Li
Dears, could somebody give the tips on how to insert cut cells in cacl, 

 

My requirement is:

1) Select on row / column in cacl, and click cut

2) Insert the cut row / column to another place like between column A
and column B without overwriting the content in column B. 

 

Best Regards!

Tony Li

 

 



Re: [users] Default tab stops

2009-10-19 Thread Harold Fuchs
2009/10/19 Michael Adams 

>
> Had a little trouble setting default tab stops in writer today. I wanted
> to set them for one paragraph only, but found no option in the paragraph
> dialogue box or in the styles for paragraphs as suggested by help. Had
> to cludge it with tools-options for the whole program.
>
> OO.o3.1.1 on WS2k8 box. Anthing i missed?
>
>
> Errrm. yes, I think so.

For a selected paragraph: Format>Paragraph>Tabs
For a Paragraph Style: Modify>Tabs

In either case you can now add (use the Add button) different types of tab
stops at your chosen positions.

The only thing I can't find a way to do is to specify, for example "every
1/2 inch". Perhaps someone else would enlighten us on this aspect. Please.



-- 
Harold Fuchs
London, England
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[users] Default tab stops

2009-10-19 Thread Michael Adams

Had a little trouble setting default tab stops in writer today. I wanted
to set them for one paragraph only, but found no option in the paragraph
dialogue box or in the styles for paragraphs as suggested by help. Had
to cludge it with tools-options for the whole program. 

OO.o3.1.1 on WS2k8 box. Anthing i missed?


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[users] Re: Open Office Licence agreemet

2009-10-19 Thread Gordon

Diego Alterisi wrote:



In addition we would like to know how to respond to eventual inquiry
required from BSA or authority.



I would guess you could tell the BSA to take a running jump - AFAIK they 
would have no authority to make any audit of software that is freely 
available and distributable. That would be beyond their remit..



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Re: [users] header and footers

2009-10-19 Thread Michael Adams
On Mon, 19 Oct 2009 07:25:53 +
Came this utterance formulated by Jurgen Heerink to my mailbox:

> 
> Hi,
> 
>  
> 
> Could someone pls help with with the following problem.
> 
> I am creating a report but I don't want to have a header and footer on
> the first 3 pages.
> 
> So from the 4th till the last, as well as the page numbering.
> 

You will have to use the power of Page Styles. I recommend reading up on
them in the documentation project.

-- 
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[users] header and footers

2009-10-19 Thread Jurgen Heerink

Hi,

 

Could someone pls help with with the following problem.

I am creating a report but I don't want to have a header and footer on the 
first 3 pages.

So from the 4th till the last, as well as the page numbering.

 

Thanks in advance,

 

 

Jurgen
  
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