Re: [videoblogging] Re: Frequency of Distribution
there is also something called stretch film which if it became viable could be relevant here. I only know of one person who actually made something like it (using LiveStage Pro). the idea (comes from stretch hypertext) is that you have, say, a 2 minute version of the work, but at any point you can 'stretch' it to make that sequence or content area longer by getting more material, and so on until you may (in theory) view all the footage for that sequence. Bit like svg for video I guess. On 24/05/2009, at 5:56 AM, Bill Cammack wrote: I think it really does require a tiered approach, which would be similar to what you're saying... Small clips, tagged and warehoused, and then making larger programs out of the smaller clips. Not necessarily like a playlist function like YouTube uses, but focusing information into interesting enough segments to inform your blog readers and subscribers that there IS much more material if they choose to go check it out... but that if they're *not* interested, they won't be pelted with several updates every day, just to get the media out the door. cheers Adrian Miles adrian.mi...@rmit.edu.au bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au
[videoblogging] Re: Frequency of Distribution
woah. Now *THAT* is an interesting concept. Your comp tape actually contains the rest of the video, being skipped over unless you select it. I like that a lot. :) I suppose, technically, you could do something similar with YouTube annotations, as far as linking each demo section to the video that it actually represents... ASSUMING you wanted to use YouTube at all, and assuming that there was an efficient way to skip back to the location you left from the original video. But yeah, that's a great idea! :D ~Bill http://billcammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adrian Miles adrian.mi...@... wrote: there is also something called stretch film which if it became viable could be relevant here. I only know of one person who actually made something like it (using LiveStage Pro). the idea (comes from stretch hypertext) is that you have, say, a 2 minute version of the work, but at any point you can 'stretch' it to make that sequence or content area longer by getting more material, and so on until you may (in theory) view all the footage for that sequence. Bit like svg for video I guess. On 24/05/2009, at 5:56 AM, Bill Cammack wrote: I think it really does require a tiered approach, which would be similar to what you're saying... Small clips, tagged and warehoused, and then making larger programs out of the smaller clips. Not necessarily like a playlist function like YouTube uses, but focusing information into interesting enough segments to inform your blog readers and subscribers that there IS much more material if they choose to go check it out... but that if they're *not* interested, they won't be pelted with several updates every day, just to get the media out the door. cheers Adrian Miles adrian.mi...@... bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au
[videoblogging] Re: Frequency of Distribution
I think it really does require a tiered approach, which would be similar to what you're saying... Small clips, tagged and warehoused, and then making larger programs out of the smaller clips. Not necessarily like a playlist function like YouTube uses, but focusing information into interesting enough segments to inform your blog readers and subscribers that there IS much more material if they choose to go check it out... but that if they're *not* interested, they won't be pelted with several updates every day, just to get the media out the door. ~Bill http://billcammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Adrian Miles adrian.mi...@... wrote: I think as Bill describes in his more recent post, imagine you've got heaps of short clips, each more or less about the same thing. Instead of editing them into works, or publishing them as single clips, imagine a cloud of clips, with for instance tags. (Simplest model.) Then you could use this to make individual works, while also letting all clips with a tag become separate works. On 21/05/2009, at 10:33 AM, Kath O'Donnell wrote: Jay Adrian, thanks for the examples of video tagging. Seth Keen's work looks very cool. I always thought mpeg7 would be used for this but haven't heard much about it anymore ( only looked into it years ago for some facial recognition stuff which didn't end up happening). I shoot way too much video ( take too many photos). most of it would be classed as dross to anyone but me (Adrian :) ) but I've found I've looked back on it and found bits I've missed etc or seen things in a different light after time, so I like having the extra video. ( my videos are really just for me/family/friends) it would be cool to tag it like on flickr though (but I must admit I only do basic tagging on flickr too - not down to subject of individual shots). one of the early videoblogging projects was for tagging clips wasn't it? I forget the name of it. started with M I think? cheers Adrian Miles adrian.mi...@... bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au
[videoblogging] Re: Frequency of Distribution
Thanks for the comments, everybody. :) Renat, I shoot spontaneous situations as well. When I feel like something cool is going to happen or there's something I feel like people might like to see or hear, I'm liable to turn the camera on and film something. Recently picking up my run-n-gun camera made me initially apprehensive about the fact that I only had one hour's worth of footage/battery on me. What I found was that the 'moments' that I get are usually less than a minute long. They seem like they're happening for a much longer time, at the time, but when you look at the counter, a three-minute clip of spontaneous 'action' is a lng time. So I went from a situation of not having enough footage to having so many clips that I wanted to share that I didn't have an efficient way of getting those clips online. I essentially kept my scarce footage style for when I had much more, and that wasn't working for me. I also didn't want to stack up a bunch of potentially unrelated clips, because I felt like each part should have its own location and eventually permalink, however, what I ended up with was weeks on end of the exact same event, because I never ran out of footage and I still haven't. I think the solution is similar to what a couple of people have suggested in this thread, which is basically a clip download area and then curating from those clips to create actual blog posts. What I was doing before was having every clip have its own post, because that way they would all go to my iTunes feed, instead of having a bunch of enclosures stacked up on the same permalink. By posting the videos to the host separately from posting them to my site, I can accomplish two important goals. 1) I can figure out just which ones I want to use as highlights of the series to go on my blog, and 2) I can efficiently handle advertising.. Not meaning rev-share advertising, but meaning informing people about my series in a way that's efficient and has, IMO, the most chance of getting the most viewers to watch the most episodes. Again, I used my regular publicizing tactics for this too much video situation and ended up with a lot of people seeing the beginning of the series, but not being aware that there's more to come, because they don't get the nature of episodic content. They're more in the standalone, one-off mindset of YouTube videos that have nothing to do with each other. Because of this, I ended up informing people several times about the series. In the future, I will already have the series effectively online and ready to be watched in its entirety, if people are interested in doing that, BEFORE letting people know it's there. I've also started to be more selective about what I film, as a couple people mentioned in this thread. Now that I know when I have enough material to cover the least amount of posting I want to do, I look for shots, scenes and situations that are more likely to be worthwhile for me than ending up on the cutting room floor, because I was just shooting them just in case. ~Bill http://billcammack.com --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Renat Zarbailov innom...@... wrote: I too tend to film more than I can edit with a 60GB HDD camcorder. Since I only shoot spontaneous situations improv-style interactive comedy (www.mrthyself.com)I approach filming with a motto, Shoot first, ask questions later. Far too many times there were cases when I didn't have my cam with me but situation was perfect to be captured. The availability of huge hard drives in consumer cams allow for possibility to shoot more noise than signal. By signal I mean something interesting - worthwhile. In my cam I have a way to divide video clips and delete the unwanted before I even plug the cam to a computer for backup. So on my commute from Manhattan to Brooklyn I peacefully edit out the crap without wasting time when at the PC. I am thinking about going away from the resource-hungry, albeit storage efficient, AVCHD codec to get the newest marvel from JVC - GY-HM100U. Though it uses dual SD-card approach, the video is pristine, let alone the low-light filming and 3CCD's... Making this switch will make me more efficient about sensing where worthwhile action is. I dream about a day that internet has enough universal hi-speed connectivity to allow raw footage stored online in a huge video pool from around the world. This way people can both contribute as well as take from this pool of footage where video can be searched by keywords. Imagine the possibilities? :) There would have to be some in-camcorder system for tagging videos, GPS (Sony's consumer HDR-XR520V), as well as scene/face/motion detection. So the cam writes its EXIF (still cameras use this for exposure etc) info about what it recognized in the video scene and tags it into the video file. I am very lazy when it comes to editing, I have a huge load of footage sitting on
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Frequency of Distribution
I think as Bill describes in his more recent post, imagine you've got heaps of short clips, each more or less about the same thing. Instead of editing them into works, or publishing them as single clips, imagine a cloud of clips, with for instance tags. (Simplest model.) Then you could use this to make individual works, while also letting all clips with a tag become separate works. On 21/05/2009, at 10:33 AM, Kath O'Donnell wrote: Jay Adrian, thanks for the examples of video tagging. Seth Keen's work looks very cool. I always thought mpeg7 would be used for this but haven't heard much about it anymore ( only looked into it years ago for some facial recognition stuff which didn't end up happening). I shoot way too much video ( take too many photos). most of it would be classed as dross to anyone but me (Adrian :) ) but I've found I've looked back on it and found bits I've missed etc or seen things in a different light after time, so I like having the extra video. ( my videos are really just for me/family/friends) it would be cool to tag it like on flickr though (but I must admit I only do basic tagging on flickr too - not down to subject of individual shots). one of the early videoblogging projects was for tagging clips wasn't it? I forget the name of it. started with M I think? cheers Adrian Miles adrian.mi...@rmit.edu.au bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Frequency of Distribution
hi all Jay and I (he's currently in Melbourne, god bless 'im) were talking about similar stuff yesterday. Seth Keen has a system that partly does this. it is intended for more curatorial sorts of things, but relies on tags to collect clips. I've built similar, now defunct, things ages ago, and people like, I think it was Aasmund Garfors in Bergen, and also Jon Hoem (also Bergen) were playing with. It is not that hard, it is the move from video as 'filmmaking' (lot of edits, relative high ratio of takes to kept footage, etc) or video as 'careful' (due to legacy of cost, access, technology barriers, etc) to video as homemovie or as snapshot. We shoot heaps, just like with a camera we photograph heaps. flickr provided a way for us to easily archive, publish, share, tag, and collectively harness/use our snapshots. but at the moment in video the smallest 'unit' remains the entire show or program or clip, rather than the parts. (On the other hand while we're all hung up on being storytellers it also means we're hung up on keeping our parts tightly joined otherwise our story might be broken. There is a tension there between the sorts of things that might come from 'clouds' of clips versus the usual corridor of shot A will always be followed by B.) On 20/05/2009, at 9:05 AM, Renat Zarbailov wrote: Your thoughts?? cheers Adrian Miles adrian.mi...@rmit.edu.au bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au
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this works for me too, though in don't know if it is about being more in the moment or the benefit of constraints to creative practice On 20/05/2009, at 2:53 PM, Brook Hinton wrote: Everyone's different about shooting ratios and frequency and what works for them, but I've found quite an opposite situation: when I place an arbitrary limit on my shooting - e.g., ok, you can only shoot ten minutes during the next two days, or for this particular journey into the world, or you have one tape for the month etc. - I get much more interesting material. Something about intensity of focus, about being aware of the change that's occurring when I press the button. I'm more in the moment, and do more with the moment. It doesn't jibe well with the fast pace and high output culture of the webular world though. cheers Adrian Miles adrian.mi...@rmit.edu.au bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au
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i edit as i shoot so i spend less time actually editing. focus is key. a --- On Wed, 5/20/09, Brook Hinton bhin...@gmail.com wrote: From: Brook Hinton bhin...@gmail.com Subject: Re: [videoblogging] Re: Frequency of Distribution To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Date: Wednesday, May 20, 2009, 12:53 AM Everyone's different about shooting ratios and frequency and what works for them, but I've found quite an opposite situation: when I place an arbitrary limit on my shooting - e.g., ok, you can only shoot ten minutes during the next two days, or for this particular journey into the world, or you have one tape for the month etc. - I get much more interesting material. Something about intensity of focus, about being aware of the change that's occurring when I press the button. I'm more in the moment, and do more with the moment. It doesn't jibe well with the fast pace and high output culture of the webular world though. Brook _ _ _ _ ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton. com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton. com/temporalab [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
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Yep, but in some contexts we don't want or need to do this. eg observational doco, ethnography. And we can also think about how on one hand having a constraint like editing in camera etc is highly productive (in Melbourne we have, or had, the white gloves festival which was film, one roll, all had to edited in camera, well not edited but you know what i mean). But on the other hand you can also think about how working like that could also come from a time when film was expensive so you didn't just shoot. Now that video is disposable the tension is both what to do with it all (and how), and also how do I not just shoot dross. On 21/05/2009, at 1:15 AM, Adriana Kaegi wrote: i edit as i shoot so i spend less time actually editing. focus is key. a cheers Adrian Miles adrian.mi...@rmit.edu.au bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Frequency of Distribution
quoting myself (on strike today so diligently not doing work...) there was a hypercard stack made by an anthropologist/ethnographer years ago that let her add video and then in effect tag it (it was before we had tags) so that observational footage could be restructured in multiple ways. And after 15 minutes of Google: http://orion.njit.edu/merlin/tools/c25/index.html (all the programming architecture of QT comes from hypercard) On 21/05/2009, at 9:53 AM, Adrian Miles wrote: Yep, but in some contexts we don't want or need to do this. eg observational doco, ethnography cheers Adrian Miles adrian.mi...@rmit.edu.au bachelor communication honours coordinator vogmae.net.au
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Frequency of Distribution
Jay Adrian, thanks for the examples of video tagging. Seth Keen's work looks very cool. I always thought mpeg7 would be used for this but haven't heard much about it anymore ( only looked into it years ago for some facial recognition stuff which didn't end up happening). I shoot way too much video ( take too many photos). most of it would be classed as dross to anyone but me (Adrian :) ) but I've found I've looked back on it and found bits I've missed etc or seen things in a different light after time, so I like having the extra video. ( my videos are really just for me/family/friends) it would be cool to tag it like on flickr though (but I must admit I only do basic tagging on flickr too - not down to subject of individual shots). one of the early videoblogging projects was for tagging clips wasn't it? I forget the name of it. started with M I think? kath [Non-text portions of this message have been removed]
[videoblogging] Re: Frequency of Distribution
I too tend to film more than I can edit with a 60GB HDD camcorder. Since I only shoot spontaneous situations improv-style interactive comedy (www.mrthyself.com)I approach filming with a motto, Shoot first, ask questions later. Far too many times there were cases when I didn't have my cam with me but situation was perfect to be captured. The availability of huge hard drives in consumer cams allow for possibility to shoot more noise than signal. By signal I mean something interesting - worthwhile. In my cam I have a way to divide video clips and delete the unwanted before I even plug the cam to a computer for backup. So on my commute from Manhattan to Brooklyn I peacefully edit out the crap without wasting time when at the PC. I am thinking about going away from the resource-hungry, albeit storage efficient, AVCHD codec to get the newest marvel from JVC - GY-HM100U. Though it uses dual SD-card approach, the video is pristine, let alone the low-light filming and 3CCD's... Making this switch will make me more efficient about sensing where worthwhile action is. I dream about a day that internet has enough universal hi-speed connectivity to allow raw footage stored online in a huge video pool from around the world. This way people can both contribute as well as take from this pool of footage where video can be searched by keywords. Imagine the possibilities? :) There would have to be some in-camcorder system for tagging videos, GPS (Sony's consumer HDR-XR520V), as well as scene/face/motion detection. So the cam writes its EXIF (still cameras use this for exposure etc) info about what it recognized in the video scene and tags it into the video file. I am very lazy when it comes to editing, I have a huge load of footage sitting on multiple hard drives waiting to be edited. I am hoping that camcorder manufacturers will soon add ability to add premade editable titles and end credits right in-camcorder. This way the filmmaker simply houses the footage between the title and the end credits while on the road, glues the resulting video, transfers this video file to a computer and, viola, it's ready for transcoding and publishing. :) It would be nice to have transcoding ability in camcorder as well but so that it's redundant allowing to be able to film while this process is taking place. Imagine, you activate Youtube HD H.264 transcode and within an hour you get the ready-to-upload file? Your thoughts?? Renat Zarbailov of Innomind.org --- In videoblogging@yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack billcamm...@... wrote: Hey All! :D Hope everyone's well and in good spirits. I haven't been around the email group, but I've been on the scene this whole time. Actually, recently, I had the pleasure of running into Jay Dedman unexpectedly @ Burp Castle haha, Great bonus to my day. :D Anyway.. I recently bought a camera that connects to your computer via USB and fits in your pocket. I already had an HD camera, but I wanted something for run-n-gun. My goal was to achieve daily video output via filming at least 5 upload-worthy segments each week, or at least in one day, so I could release them during the week. What I found was that depending on what your style is, those cameras can hold a ton of footage. If your style is to run the camera and hope something happens, you won't get much. If your style is to recognize potential moments and be prepared, what you end up with is a bunch of snippets that amount to more footage than you needed for that week. Actually, I should back up here. Video is how I express myself. It's my hobby as well as what I do for money. When I'm not creating video for a client, I'm creating video for myself.. because this is what I do. If this were a business application, it wouldn't matter how much I shoot, because it would all be funneled into the allocated release date and TRT of the production and anything that's excess would be discarded... Except, I don't shoot video to discard it. I shoot video to express it. I shoot to share, because I was already there. I know what happened. I experienced it already. I've been putting video online for the last three years because I want other people to be able to experience (as much as they're able to) what I've experienced, vicariously. So my goal is to release the material that I shoot... not shoot enough for coverage so that I can make my minimum requirement for my show(s). The 'problem' is that my run-n-gun camera has made me too efficient in creating videos that I'd like to release. My goal of having a daily video output has been far surpassed, and now I'm considering what I want to do with my excess footage. The solution I've arrived at with the help of brainstorming with friends that follow my feed(s) is to dump all my footage to a host (in my case, blip.tv) and only release special episodes and/or compilation/explanatory videos to my blog
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Every time I sit down to edit I wish I had not shot so much footage..hehehe. Funny thing is, some of the best videos I've done have been hurried, dropped onto the time line, music added then rendered without preview and they turn out little gems. I love it when that happens. Actually the new Sony Vegas Production Assistance Plug-in is all about hands-off process automation, perfect for people who create standard format videos like daily shows or weekly shows or even same day events. If these templates could be embedded in the Camera you would see much more footage presented and not left to rot on stored hard drives. Cheers Rambo http://rambos-locker.blogspot.com -Original Message- From: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com [mailto:videoblogg...@yahoogroups.com] On Behalf Of Renat Zarbailov Sent: Wednesday, 20 May 2009 9:05 AM To: videoblogging@yahoogroups.com Subject: [videoblogging] Re: Frequency of Distribution I too tend to film more than I can edit with a 60GB HDD camcorder. Since I only shoot spontaneous situations improv-style interactive comedy (www.mrthyself.com)I approach filming with a motto, Shoot first, ask questions later. Far too many times there were cases when I didn't have my cam with me but situation was perfect to be captured. The availability of huge hard drives in consumer cams allow for possibility to shoot more noise than signal. By signal I mean something interesting - worthwhile. In my cam I have a way to divide video clips and delete the unwanted before I even plug the cam to a computer for backup. So on my commute from Manhattan to Brooklyn I peacefully edit out the crap without wasting time when at the PC. I am thinking about going away from the resource-hungry, albeit storage efficient, AVCHD codec to get the newest marvel from JVC - GY-HM100U. Though it uses dual SD-card approach, the video is pristine, let alone the low-light filming and 3CCD's... Making this switch will make me more efficient about sensing where worthwhile action is. I dream about a day that internet has enough universal hi-speed connectivity to allow raw footage stored online in a huge video pool from around the world. This way people can both contribute as well as take from this pool of footage where video can be searched by keywords. Imagine the possibilities? :) There would have to be some in-camcorder system for tagging videos, GPS (Sony's consumer HDR-XR520V), as well as scene/face/motion detection. So the cam writes its EXIF (still cameras use this for exposure etc) info about what it recognized in the video scene and tags it into the video file. I am very lazy when it comes to editing, I have a huge load of footage sitting on multiple hard drives waiting to be edited. I am hoping that camcorder manufacturers will soon add ability to add premade editable titles and end credits right in-camcorder. This way the filmmaker simply houses the footage between the title and the end credits while on the road, glues the resulting video, transfers this video file to a computer and, viola, it's ready for transcoding and publishing. :) It would be nice to have transcoding ability in camcorder as well but so that it's redundant allowing to be able to film while this process is taking place. Imagine, you activate Youtube HD H.264 transcode and within an hour you get the ready-to-upload file? Your thoughts?? Renat Zarbailov of Innomind.org --- In videoblogging@ mailto:videoblogging%40yahoogroups.com yahoogroups.com, Bill Cammack billcamm...@... wrote: Hey All! :D Hope everyone's well and in good spirits. I haven't been around the email group, but I've been on the scene this whole time. Actually, recently, I had the pleasure of running into Jay Dedman unexpectedly @ Burp Castle haha, Great bonus to my day. :D Anyway.. I recently bought a camera that connects to your computer via USB and fits in your pocket. I already had an HD camera, but I wanted something for run-n-gun. My goal was to achieve daily video output via filming at least 5 upload-worthy segments each week, or at least in one day, so I could release them during the week. What I found was that depending on what your style is, those cameras can hold a ton of footage. If your style is to run the camera and hope something happens, you won't get much. If your style is to recognize potential moments and be prepared, what you end up with is a bunch of snippets that amount to more footage than you needed for that week. Actually, I should back up here. Video is how I express myself. It's my hobby as well as what I do for money. When I'm not creating video for a client, I'm creating video for myself.. because this is what I do. If this were a business application, it wouldn't matter how much I shoot, because it would all be funneled into the allocated release date and TRT of the production and anything that's excess would be discarded... Except, I don't shoot video to discard it. I shoot video to express it. I shoot to share
Re: [videoblogging] Re: Frequency of Distribution
Everyone's different about shooting ratios and frequency and what works for them, but I've found quite an opposite situation: when I place an arbitrary limit on my shooting - e.g., ok, you can only shoot ten minutes during the next two days, or for this particular journey into the world, or you have one tape for the month etc. - I get much more interesting material. Something about intensity of focus, about being aware of the change that's occurring when I press the button. I'm more in the moment, and do more with the moment. It doesn't jibe well with the fast pace and high output culture of the webular world though. Brook ___ Brook Hinton film/video/audio art www.brookhinton.com studio vlog/blog: www.brookhinton.com/temporalab
