Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray Collection Development Policies
We don't really have a policy per se. We don't have a specific Blu-Ray collection, but we do purchase the combo packs - Disney, Criterion, when released. Or, if a film receives great reviews, but is only released on Blu-Ray, we'll also get that. For a while, one of our branch selectors was getting Blu-Ray of top releases, but she wasn't aware that we really didn't collect them. Part of the whole issue comes down to budget. We just don't have it. I hope this helps. Becky Tatar Periodicals/Audiovisuals Aurora Public Library 101 S. River Street Aurora, IL 60506 Phone: 630-264-4116 FAX: 630-896-3209 blt...@aurorapubliclibrary.org www.aurorapubliclibrary.org From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Laura Jenemann Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 4:42 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: [Videolib] Blu-ray Collection Development Policies Dear videolib, I'm researching blu-ray collection development policies. If you have any links or info to share, please reach out. And thanks for your help. Regards, Laura Laura Jenemann Media Services/Film Studies Librarian George Mason University Libraries Email: ljene...@gmu.edu<mailto:ljene...@gmu.edu> Phone: 703-993-7593 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray Collection Development Policies
Thanks for the responses on this! They're very helpful. And if any one has formal language in a policy they can point to, please share. Regards, Laura From: Jodie Borgerding <jborgerdin...@webster.edu<mailto:jborgerdin...@webster.edu>> Reply-To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>" <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>> Date: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 at 9:31 AM To: "videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>" <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray Collection Development Policies My situation is similar to Becky's. We don't have a policy specifically for Blu-Rays, but will get the combo packs (catalog them separately), only Blu-Ray releases, or if the faculty specifically request a Blu-Ray version. We did this for the Lord of the Rings trilogy last year which a film studies professor requested it. Budget is the main factor. I would love to buy a DVD and Blu-Ray copy for every film I buy, but I can't afford to do so. I do look at the annual circulation counts for the films, and our Blu-Ray films do have a high number of circs so I have some evidence if I ever decide to request funds to build up our Blu-Ray collection. Jodie Jodie Borgerding, MLS Instruction and Liaison Librarian Missouri Library Association President Webster University Library 470 E. Lockwood St. Louis, MO 63119 (314) 246-7819 jborgerdin...@webster.edu<mailto:jborgerdin...@webster.edu> http://library.webster.edu<http://library.webster.edu/> http://molib.org<http://molib.org/> From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu> [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Tatar, Becky Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2016 8:01 AM To: 'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:'videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>' <videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray Collection Development Policies We don't really have a policy per se. We don't have a specific Blu-Ray collection, but we do purchase the combo packs - Disney, Criterion, when released. Or, if a film receives great reviews, but is only released on Blu-Ray, we'll also get that. For a while, one of our branch selectors was getting Blu-Ray of top releases, but she wasn't aware that we really didn't collect them. Part of the whole issue comes down to budget. We just don't have it. I hope this helps. Becky Tatar Periodicals/Audiovisuals Aurora Public Library 101 S. River Street Aurora, IL 60506 Phone: 630-264-4116 FAX: 630-896-3209 blt...@aurorapubliclibrary.org<mailto:blt...@aurorapubliclibrary.org> www.aurorapubliclibrary.org<http://www.aurorapubliclibrary.org> From:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu> [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Laura Jenemann Sent: Monday, January 25, 2016 4:42 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu> Subject: [Videolib] Blu-ray Collection Development Policies Dear videolib, I'm researching blu-ray collection development policies. If you have any links or info to share, please reach out. And thanks for your help. Regards, Laura Laura Jenemann Media Services/Film Studies Librarian George Mason University Libraries Email: ljene...@gmu.edu<mailto:ljene...@gmu.edu> Phone: 703-993-7593 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] Blu-ray Collection Development Policies
Dear videolib, I'm researching blu-ray collection development policies. If you have any links or info to share, please reach out. And thanks for your help. Regards, Laura Laura Jenemann Media Services/Film Studies Librarian George Mason University Libraries Email: ljene...@gmu.edu Phone: 703-993-7593 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] Blu ray questions
I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions
Jessica, The New York Film Academy is a blu-ray campus in that we have blu-ray players in all of the classrooms and it's our preferred medium for discs. In addition to providing the highest visual and audio quality I love that in my year and half here we've *never* needed to clean them due to scratches or playback issues. I'm pretty sure we could hitch our blu-ray collection to a truck, drag them over an asphalt road, and then have a movie marathon. They're really well constructed. Anyway, the school does upkeep on the players and any that need to be replaced are done so with a quick turnaround time. Since going in this direction we've been able to not only allow for playability for both standard DVDs and blu-rays but it's given me the opportunity to make acquiring blu-ray versions a priority (although we will get the DVD/blu-ray combo packs if available). Hopefully some of that helps. Best regards. *Josh Moorman* *Head Librarian* *New York Film Academy - Los Angeles* *Robert K. Hartman Library* *josh.moor...@nyfa.edu* *(818) 295-2021* On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.comwrote: I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions
Thanks Josh Unfortunately I suspect you are an outlier. Blu ray is of course common for feature films which I imagine is mostly what you use, alas not common at all for educational video My film is basically both and the producers wanted to do it in the best available format visually but alas the market is going to mostly academic instructors in certain fields but not much in film studies. Thanks again for the info. On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Josh Moorman josh.moor...@nyfa.edu wrote: Jessica, The New York Film Academy is a blu-ray campus in that we have blu-ray players in all of the classrooms and it's our preferred medium for discs. In addition to providing the highest visual and audio quality I love that in my year and half here we've *never* needed to clean them due to scratches or playback issues. I'm pretty sure we could hitch our blu-ray collection to a truck, drag them over an asphalt road, and then have a movie marathon. They're really well constructed. Anyway, the school does upkeep on the players and any that need to be replaced are done so with a quick turnaround time. Since going in this direction we've been able to not only allow for playability for both standard DVDs and blu-rays but it's given me the opportunity to make acquiring blu-ray versions a priority (although we will get the DVD/blu-ray combo packs if available). Hopefully some of that helps. Best regards. *Josh Moorman* *Head Librarian* *New York Film Academy - Los Angeles* *Robert K. Hartman Library* *josh.moor...@nyfa.edu* *(818) 295-2021* On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com wrote: I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions
Unfortunately you're right, Jessica -- my institution does not have the same take as Mr. Moorman's. The Library is not given input into how classrooms are outfitted or what technologies are supported. Few classrooms are currently outfitted with Bluray players at UD, and the Library is not purchasing streaming on a title-by-title basis. If we were to purchase a Bluray where no standard disc was available, it would cause problems for many patrons / instructors who might be interested in the title. -- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo On 10/22/2013 1:45 PM, Jessica Rosner wrote: Thanks Josh Unfortunately I suspect you are an outlier. Blu ray is of course common for feature films which I imagine is mostly what you use, alas not common at all for educational video My film is basically both and the producers wanted to do it in the best available format visually but alas the market is going to mostly academic instructors in certain fields but not much in film studies. Thanks again for the info. On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 1:35 PM, Josh Moorman josh.moor...@nyfa.edu mailto:josh.moor...@nyfa.edu wrote: Jessica, The New York Film Academy is a blu-ray campus in that we have blu-ray players in all of the classrooms and it's our preferred medium for discs. In addition to providing the highest visual and audio quality I love that in my year and half here we've /never/ needed to clean them due to scratches or playback issues. I'm pretty sure we could hitch our blu-ray collection to a truck, drag them over an asphalt road, and then have a movie marathon. They're really well constructed. Anyway, the school does upkeep on the players and any that need to be replaced are done so with a quick turnaround time. Since going in this direction we've been able to not only allow for playability for both standard DVDs and blu-rays but it's given me the opportunity to make acquiring blu-ray versions a priority (although we will get the DVD/blu-ray combo packs if available). Hopefully some of that helps. Best regards. *Josh Moorman* *Head Librarian* *New York Film Academy - Los Angeles* *Robert K. Hartman Library* *josh.moor...@nyfa.edu mailto:josh.moor...@nyfa.edu* *(818) 295-2021 tel:%28818%29%20295-2021* On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 10:06 AM, Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com wrote: I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 tel:224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 tel:212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions
If I was a cash strapped University I'd hitch my wagon to streaming. Hard copy, no matter the quality, will ultimately go away. Can you obtain the rights to stream in HD Jessica? Bob Robert A. Norris Managing Director Film Ideas, Inc. Phone: (847) 419-0255 Email: b...@filmideas.com Web:www.filmideas.com From: Meghann Matwichuk mtw...@udel.edu Date: October 22, 2013 1:15:27 PM CDT To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Unfortunately you're right, Jessica -- my institution does not have the same take as Mr. Moorman's. The Library is not given input into how classrooms are outfitted or what technologies are supported. Few classrooms are currently outfitted with Bluray players at UD, and the Library is not purchasing streaming on a title-by-title basis. If we were to purchase a Bluray where no standard disc was available, it would cause problems for many patrons / instructors who might be interested in the title. -- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions
Producers have all the rights in perpetuity but I don't think they want to manage their own streaming and certainly don't want to sub license it so I suspect it will only work for schools that stream on their own system but I agree that streaming should be better for schools that can do it. On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 2:30 PM, Bob Norris b...@filmideas.com wrote: If I was a cash strapped University I'd hitch my wagon to streaming. Hard copy, no matter the quality, will ultimately go away. Can you obtain the rights to stream in HD Jessica? Bob *Robert A. Norris* Managing Director Film Ideas, Inc. Phone: (847) 419-0255 Email: b...@filmideas.com Web: www.filmideas.com *From: *Meghann Matwichuk mtw...@udel.edu *Date: *October 22, 2013 1:15:27 PM CDT *To: *videolib@lists.berkeley.edu *Subject: **Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions* *Reply-To: *videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Unfortunately you're right, Jessica -- my institution does not have the same take as Mr. Moorman's. The Library is not given input into how classrooms are outfitted or what technologies are supported. Few classrooms are currently outfitted with Bluray players at UD, and the Library is not purchasing streaming on a title-by-title basis. If we were to purchase a Bluray where no standard disc was available, it would cause problems for many patrons / instructors who might be interested in the title. -- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions
Hi Jessica, Best of luck on your cryptic endeavor! As we're a relatively small University (around 3,000 students at capacity) we are at the mercy of our IT department when it comes to what is available in classrooms and they are currently only partially supporting DVD and are talking about removing that support by 2015 for some as yet unnamed technology, possibly something having to do with streaming but they don't throw much information my way and tend to ignore me when I ask. Most of our classrooms have a data projector with an empty wall plate and the teachers are required to bring their own laptop or player (which was not the case when I was in charge of AV for the campus--I inherited both the Media Librarian and AV support role from someone else and then IT grabbed control of the AV support a few years back.) Individual departments sometimes spring for players or PCs for the classrooms that are in their particular buildings. Currently we have only about two or three Blu Ray titles in our collection and two of them were combo packs with a DVD version available. We have a Blu Ray player at our Media Carrels for students to view our Blu Rays (and their own or outside disks) and we have another Blu Ray in our large meeting room. As far as I know the rest of the campus is still using DVD (where available) and we actually still have quite a few teachers who use only VHS! Those teachers who use VHS have classrooms that are only for their department and have a say in what technology is installed and they usually have DVD/VHS combo decks. I honestly have nothing at all against Blu Ray and I would be installing decks all over campus if I had a say since they are no longer terribly expensive and they will play DVDs just fine and can provide for the excellent quality of Blu Ray when titles are available on that format. Most independent titles that teachers like are only released on DVDR but I have specifically tried them on one of our Blu Ray decks (just out of curiosity) and have never come across a problem. I think a lot of the opposition to installing Blu Ray players across campuses is due to the constantly changing technologies and the belief that something new will soon appear to make Blu Ray obsolete and the money spent will have been wasted. We're about at the time where any DVD players that are still installed on campus will be wearing down and if I was still in charge of AV support I would recommend replacing them with Blu Ray where possible (save for the combo decks that I would try to replace with same for certain teachers) and we would then have the ability to play both DVD and Blu Ray and we would be spending per deck around the same amount of money we had paid for the original DVD decks back when they were the big up and coming super technology of a new generation. Blu Ray is actually great and I love it and I would recommend it for across campus use if I was holding the purse strings. In a somewhat related sense I'm noticing that a lot of the newer cameras teachers are using for archival video, student projects, and distance learning will only film in the AVCHD (I believe that's what it is) format, which will only play on Blu Ray decks. That tells me that Blu Ray is an important technology that will be around for a good deal of time and, since it can play DVD already, can play our substantial DVD collection with no problems and make way for all the newer titles that may only be available on Blu Ray (big studio titles, obviously, but maybe some independent filmmakers will film in AVCHD.) I have recommended to Library administration that we purchase a third Blu Ray deck for checkout to teachers but I've been told repeatedly that such a thing would be IT's responsibility--which I understand but they won't do it. We also do not have enough Blu Ray titles in our collection to warrant such an action, so I've been told (although I'm the person who hears all the complaints from teachers who can't play videos because IT refuses to install anything that will allow them to play what they want and I just want to be helpful dang it!) Many people also remember the days when I nearly killed myself to get them anything and everything they needed for classroom support so they hope I can do something, which I really can't anymore. So the main problem I have with Blu Ray is that those who are in charge of our smart rooms on campus have no faith in it (or in anything save for a non existent technology that may or may not come to fruition within two years' time.) I would prefer to concentrate on an existing technology that is proven and will play our collection NOW so that our teachers can have all the media they need for their classes so, if given the choice, I would love to have Blu Ray players replace our aging DVD players that are still installed in our older smart rooms--and I would try to put them in the rooms that currently have nothing but a wall plate! That would still give us many years
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions
We do not have a single Blu-Ray player on campus. I've been asking for 2 years now. All classrooms are equipped with dual VHS=DVD players, and I suspect when they go, they'll be replaced with whatever is sturdy and reliable, whatever that may be. I had never heard that Blu-Ray was less prone to skipping or dirt problems - that's an interesting observation. Aside from feature films, though, I've not seen educational release documentaries being available in Blu-Ray. If it cost extra, we wouldn't be in favour of that choice, though, unless the whole campus was refitted with Blu-Ray players. Susan Susan Weber Media Librarian Library T 604.323.5533 F 604.323.5512 swe...@langara.bc.ca mailto:Susan Weber swe...@langara.bc.ca Langara. http://www.langara.bc.ca 100 West 49th Avenue, Vancouver, BC, V5Y 2Z6 Please consider the environment before printing. CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately and delete this email from your system. On 22/10/2013 10:06 AM, Jessica Rosner wrote: I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu Ray question
In my own circumstance I pass on Blu Ray because having a BR copy means that I also buy the standard DVD version, since not everyone has a BR player. A technical issue that most folks miss is that in a classroom using data projection, the image is no better from a BR player than from a standard DVD because the projectors are not equipped to handle the additional data. Projectors that are so capable are considerably more expensive, which is a prohibitive cost. -deg farrelly On 10/22/13 12:16 PM, videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu videolib-requ...@lists.berkeley.edu wrote: A related question: I would be interested to know if academic libraries are passing on Blu-ray media due to the lack of players (as Deg mentioned) or because they were burnt on laserdisc adoption in the eighties (or HD DVDs in the Blu-Ray war). VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray questions
Jessica: I don't think it has anything to do with like or dislike. It has more to do with availability and budget, and of course, as others have said, who makes the decisions. We have no Blu-ray players in either institution (community college and university) unless someone has requested them for a specific purpose. The library has no Blu-ray DVDs and we don't order videos that don't also have DVD capability. Although I think we are a long way off from eschewing DVD format, and we still have way too many VHS tapes, I also don't think Blu-ray will be the replacement. Jennifer Foster Media Librarian Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library 361.570.4195 http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu Message: 4 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:06:22 -0400 From: Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com Subject: [Videolib] Blu ray questions To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Message-ID: CACRe6m_4=sJ8kLj=apse-kxkln773fsr-sqg9_e_f3pbbkw...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions -- durability tangent
Susan wrote: I had never heard that Blu-Ray was less prone to skipping or dirt problems - that's an interesting observation. I've actually heard the opposite -- that Blu-ray are actually *more* sensitive and prone to problems. That was a concern for me when we began our (limited) collection of Blu-ray discs, but it hasn't turned out that way. Very rarely do I need to clean / resurface Blu-rays. I've been supposing that this was due to their (generally) low circ-rate, and not their durability, though. I'd be interested in hearing if others have observations on this front. -- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo On 10/22/2013 2:50 PM, Susan Weber wrote: We do not have a single Blu-Ray player on campus. I've been asking for 2 years now. All classrooms are equipped with dual VHS=DVD players, and I suspect when they go, they'll be replaced with whatever is sturdy and reliable, whatever that may be. I had never heard that Blu-Ray was less prone to skipping or dirt problems - that's an interesting observation. Aside from feature films, though, I've not seen educational release documentaries being available in Blu-Ray. If it cost extra, we wouldn't be in favour of that choice, though, unless the whole campus was refitted with Blu-Ray players. Susan Susan Weber Media Librarian Library T 604.323.5533 F 604.323.5512 swe...@langara.bc.ca mailto:Susan Weber swe...@langara.bc.ca VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray questions
Dislike was the wrong word to use. I realize it is a tech financial issue. I just want to clarify this is not a combo pack. Basically it is documentary with some extras that will be on DVD and a fairly massive library of extras which basically constitute a mini archive that will only be on Blu ray. It was a compromise of a difficult situation but I still hope that students or instructors who want access to the material that is blu ray only and would likely be for research will find a way to access it though it certainly sounds like a bitch. I really appreciate everyone's input. On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Foster, Jennifer fost...@uhv.edu wrote: Jessica: I don't think it has anything to do with like or dislike. It has more to do with availability and budget, and of course, as others have said, who makes the decisions. We have no Blu-ray players in either institution (community college and university) unless someone has requested them for a specific purpose. The library has no Blu-ray DVDs and we don't order videos that don't also have DVD capability. Although I think we are a long way off from eschewing DVD format, and we still have way too many VHS tapes, I also don't think Blu-ray will be the replacement. Jennifer Foster Media Librarian Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library 361.570.4195 http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu Message: 4 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:06:22 -0400 From: Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.com Subject: [Videolib] Blu ray questions To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Message-ID: CACRe6m_4=sJ8kLj= apse-kxkln773fsr-sqg9_e_f3pbbkw...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions -- durability tangent
Meghann, My understanding is that there is a scratch resistant coating on blu-ray discs which make them especially scratch resistant. My experience with our library which frequently circulates blu-ray discs and standard DVDs has held that the blu-ray titles, probably because of the coating, never (not hyperbole. I've never had a scratch problem) have these kinds of issues. On the flip-side, there is a special place in hell for DVD dual discs which seem to to get covered in scratches by the act of my looking at them. That could just be my experience, though, and I'm sure we all have different takes on this. Best. *Josh Moorman* *Head Librarian* *New York Film Academy - Los Angeles* *Robert K. Hartman Library* *josh.moor...@nyfa.edu* *(818) 295-2021* On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Meghann Matwichuk mtw...@udel.edu wrote: Susan wrote: I had never heard that Blu-Ray was less prone to skipping or dirt problems - that's an interesting observation. I've actually heard the opposite -- that Blu-ray are actually *more* sensitive and prone to problems. That was a concern for me when we began our (limited) collection of Blu-ray discs, but it hasn't turned out that way. Very rarely do I need to clean / resurface Blu-rays. I've been supposing that this was due to their (generally) low circ-rate, and not their durability, though. I'd be interested in hearing if others have observations on this front. -- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo On 10/22/2013 2:50 PM, Susan Weber wrote: We do not have a single Blu-Ray player on campus. I've been asking for 2 years now. All classrooms are equipped with dual VHS=DVD players, and I suspect when they go, they'll be replaced with whatever is sturdy and reliable, whatever that may be. I had never heard that Blu-Ray was less prone to skipping or dirt problems - that's an interesting observation. Aside from feature films, though, I've not seen educational release documentaries being available in Blu-Ray. If it cost extra, we wouldn't be in favour of that choice, though, unless the whole campus was refitted with Blu-Ray players. Susan Susan Weber Media Librarian Library T 604.323.5533 F 604.323.5512swe...@langara.bc.ca mailto:Susan Susan Weber swe...@langara.bc.ca swe...@langara.bc.ca VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- *Josh Moorman* *Head Librarian* *New York Film Academy - Los Angeles* *Robert K. Hartman Library* *josh.moor...@nyfa.edu* *(818) 295-2021* VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu ray questions -- durability tangent
Good to know / hear -- I am super glad to be wrong on this one! The only titles we have problems with are things like Disney or Dreamworks, but this because of the audience and not the technology. Anything that could be considered a 'kids movie' is going to take a beating -- I've had to buff more jelly fingerprints off Kung Fu Panda than I can count (without taking off my shoes, at any rate). -- Meghann On 10/22/2013 3:57 PM, Josh Moorman wrote: Meghann, My understanding is that there is a scratch resistant coating on blu-ray discs which make them especially scratch resistant. My experience with our library which frequently circulates blu-ray discs and standard DVDs has held that the blu-ray titles, probably because of the coating, never (not hyperbole. I've never had a scratch problem) have these kinds of issues. On the flip-side, there is a special place in hell for DVD dual discs which seem to to get covered in scratches by the act of my looking at them. That could just be my experience, though, and I'm sure we all have different takes on this. Best. *Josh Moorman* *Head Librarian* *New York Film Academy - Los Angeles* *Robert K. Hartman Library* *josh.moor...@nyfa.edu mailto:josh.moor...@nyfa.edu* *(818) 295-2021 tel:%28818%29%20295-2021* On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 12:40 PM, Meghann Matwichuk mtw...@udel.edu mailto:mtw...@udel.edu wrote: Susan wrote: I had never heard that Blu-Ray was less prone to skipping or dirt problems - that's an interesting observation. I've actually heard the opposite -- that Blu-ray are actually *more* sensitive and prone to problems. That was a concern for me when we began our (limited) collection of Blu-ray discs, but it hasn't turned out that way. Very rarely do I need to clean / resurface Blu-rays. I've been supposing that this was due to their (generally) low circ-rate, and not their durability, though. I'd be interested in hearing if others have observations on this front. -- Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 tel:%28302%29%20831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray questions
Hello Jessica, A quick keyword search for 'Blu-ray' in our catalog pulls up over 1,800 results, and this may be close to correct. We order Blu-rays instead of DVDs whenever possible. We do not have a problem making Blu-ray players available for classrooms. I am not aware of any problems relating to durability. Some of the issues that we have encountered are: 1. Blu-rays (and now DVDs) frequently are sold with Digital Copy and/or UltraViolet discs, which we do not circulate. 2. When a film needs to be streamed for a class, it takes longer to stream a Blu-ray than a DVD. If a class needs a title streamed in a hurry, the DVD version probably will be the streamed version. 3. Many Blu-rays are sold in Blu-ray/DVD combo packs, and there is a problem with patrons checking out the packs and then losing/damaging one disc. In the future, our Media department plans to split up the discs and circulate them separately. 4. We do not have multi-region Blu-ray players and so only purchase Region A Blu-rays. 5. Some Blu-ray versions of classic films have been altered from their original form (for example, the 2009 release of The French Connection: http://www.examiner.com/article/addendum-to-march-6th-blu-ray-releases-new-wall-street-french-connection-bds, which was corrected later), and we have to read more customer reviews to make sure of the quality of what we are ordering. Michael S. Phillips Library Associate I Monographic Acquisitions Division Texas AM University acqmo...@library.tamu.edumailto:acqmo...@library.tamu.edu 5000 TAMU | College Station, TX 77843-5000 Tel. 979.845.1343 ext. 151 | Fax. 979.845.5310 http://library.tamu.edu From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner Sent: Tuesday, October 22, 2013 2:43 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray questions Dislike was the wrong word to use. I realize it is a tech financial issue. I just want to clarify this is not a combo pack. Basically it is documentary with some extras that will be on DVD and a fairly massive library of extras which basically constitute a mini archive that will only be on Blu ray. It was a compromise of a difficult situation but I still hope that students or instructors who want access to the material that is blu ray only and would likely be for research will find a way to access it though it certainly sounds like a bitch. I really appreciate everyone's input. On Tue, Oct 22, 2013 at 3:34 PM, Foster, Jennifer fost...@uhv.edumailto:fost...@uhv.edu wrote: Jessica: I don't think it has anything to do with like or dislike. It has more to do with availability and budget, and of course, as others have said, who makes the decisions. We have no Blu-ray players in either institution (community college and university) unless someone has requested them for a specific purpose. The library has no Blu-ray DVDs and we don't order videos that don't also have DVD capability. Although I think we are a long way off from eschewing DVD format, and we still have way too many VHS tapes, I also don't think Blu-ray will be the replacement. Jennifer Foster Media Librarian Victoria College/University of Houston-Victoria Library 361.570.4195tel:361.570.4195 http://vcuhvlibrary.uhv.edu Message: 4 Date: Tue, 22 Oct 2013 13:06:22 -0400 From: Jessica Rosner jessicapros...@gmail.commailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com Subject: [Videolib] Blu ray questions To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Message-ID: CACRe6m_4=sJ8kLj=apse-kxkln773fsr-sqg9_e_f3pbbkw...@mail.gmail.commailto:apse-kxkln773fsr-sqg9_e_f3pbbkw...@mail.gmail.com Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 I know most of you do not like blu-ray but I would like to know how much a problem it is. I am working on a kind of epic project I have been making cryptic references to and for complicated reasons much of it is Blu ray only. In terms of research I would assume most students and most libraries have reasonable access to playing on Blu ray either using a player or a laptop. I guess the bigger issue is classroom use, is it really that difficult to get Blu ray player for a classroom ( to make this even more complicated the part of this collection most likely to be used in class will be available on DVD). Feedback appreciated but it is not possible to change formats on this material though it will be available for streaming for those schools who can do their own. -- Jessica Rosner Media Consultant 224-545-3897tel:224-545-3897 (cell) 212-627-1785tel:212-627-1785 (land line) jessicapros...@gmail.commailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve
Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries
We also do not support Blu-ray at Fairfield University. We have one machine in our 90-seat auditorium but no machines available to patrons within the library to view films like we have VHS and DVD players. We bought a few combo packs because I didn't want to wait months and months for the DVD-only release of a film. We have 11 so far. I personally love Blu-ray at home. After years of waiting, I finally gave in to a new television and new Blu-ray player last December and finally get the difference. Nothing matches the clarity of the picture. The best way to make the comparison is to watch a film you've seen a lot. You'll see details from the Blu-ray copy you've never noticed before. I did that with White Christmas. But for an academic library, we will not purchase Blu-ray unless the market changes and items only come out on Blu-ray. Right now I'm trying to continually re-think the balance between physical product and streaming services. Philip Philip Bahr Reference Media Librarian DiMenna-Nyselius Library Fairfield University 1073 North Benson Road Fairfield, CT 06824 203-254-4206 pb...@fairfield.edu -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 12:27:12 -0700 From: Susan Weber swe...@langara.bc.ca Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Message-ID: 5165bd10.4030...@langara.bc.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed My response is identical to Deb's. We don't have Blu-Ray equipment, yet, although I did request funding for 4 machines (2 for Technical Services and 2 for student access in mini=theatres in the Library). When the title is avail. as a combo pack, we'll note that in our catalogue record. If it's avail. only on Blu-Ray, we won't buy it, at least until we have equip. to play it. I don't believe that format will last very long. The public market really is the driving force in terms of choice of technologies for education, and the number of releases have not been stellar in Blu-Ray. Susan Susan Weber Media Librarian Library T 604.323.5533 F 604.323.5512 swe...@langara.bc.ca mailto:Susan Weber swe...@langara.bc.ca Langara. http://www.langara.bc.ca 100 West 49th Avenue, Vancouver, BC, V5Y 2Z6 Please consider the environment before printing. CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately and delete this email from your system. On 10/04/2013 11:43 AM, Deb Distante wrote: Hi, Gail. As we're currently trying to update our collection and get rid of all VHS tapes, we no longer purchase in that format at all. Although we have no Blu-ray players in the library at this point, if a title is available in a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack, that is what I buy. If it's only available as either a DVD or a Blu-ray, I only buy the DVD. So far, we haven't had any request for Blu-ray titles. If we did get a request, I would probably tell them that since we do not currently have Blu-ray players on campus, we do not collect in that format unless it's as part of a combo pack. Deb Distante Mt. San Antonio College Library 1100 N. Grand Ave. Walnut, CA 91789 909-274-4285 ddista...@mtsac.edu From: Gail Gawlik ggaw...@stfrancis.edu To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Date: 04/08/2013 11:32 AM Subject: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries Sent by: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu -- -- Hi, wise media people. We have just received our first request for blu-ray discs and are wondering what other academic libraries are doing. Up until now, we have only purchased DVDs and an occasional VHS-tape if the film is only available in that format. We were wondering how other academic libraries handle this new-ish format. In particular: 1. Do you order blu-ray discs as a matter of course or only as a special request? 2. If you order the blu-ray version, do you also get the film on DVD? 2. Do you try to get those DVD/blu-ray combo packs whenever you can? (They look like a pretty good deal.) And does the media crowd here expect blu-ray to replace DVDs in the near future? Thanks! Gail Gail Gawlik Head of Technical Services Brown Library University of St. Francis Joliet, IL Wearing sensible shoes proudly since 1969.VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors
Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries
I think Philip makes a great point here -- there are some films where there is a marked difference in what you can see / perceive in many shots -- you really are getting more information with Bluray in some cases. Take a look at The Shining or 2001 (or any Kubrick film, for that matter) for examples. Someone who is studying film is much better served by the Blu-ray format. I think it's important to remember that it's not just a matter of preference for some -- may not be crucial for most, but for some it is. Best, * Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo On 4/12/2013 11:22 AM, Bahr, Philip wrote: We also do not support Blu-ray at Fairfield University. We have one machine in our 90-seat auditorium but no machines available to patrons within the library to view films like we have VHS and DVD players. We bought a few combo packs because I didn't want to wait months and months for the DVD-only release of a film. We have 11 so far. I personally love Blu-ray at home. After years of waiting, I finally gave in to a new television and new Blu-ray player last December and finally get the difference. Nothing matches the clarity of the picture. The best way to make the comparison is to watch a film you've seen a lot. You'll see details from the Blu-ray copy you've never noticed before. I did that with White Christmas. But for an academic library, we will not purchase Blu-ray unless the market changes and items only come out on Blu-ray. Right now I'm trying to continually re-think the balance between physical product and streaming services. Philip Philip Bahr Reference Media Librarian DiMenna-Nyselius Library Fairfield University 1073 North Benson Road Fairfield, CT 06824 203-254-4206 pb...@fairfield.edu -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 12:27:12 -0700 From: Susan Weber swe...@langara.bc.ca Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Message-ID: 5165bd10.4030...@langara.bc.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed My response is identical to Deb's. We don't have Blu-Ray equipment, yet, although I did request funding for 4 machines (2 for Technical Services and 2 for student access in mini=theatres in the Library). When the title is avail. as a combo pack, we'll note that in our catalogue record. If it's avail. only on Blu-Ray, we won't buy it, at least until we have equip. to play it. I don't believe that format will last very long. The public market really is the driving force in terms of choice of technologies for education, and the number of releases have not been stellar in Blu-Ray. Susan Susan Weber Media Librarian Library T 604.323.5533 F 604.323.5512 swe...@langara.bc.ca mailto:Susan Weber swe...@langara.bc.ca Langara. http://www.langara.bc.ca 100 West 49th Avenue, Vancouver, BC, V5Y 2Z6 Please consider the environment before printing. CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately and delete this email from your system. On 10/04/2013 11:43 AM, Deb Distante wrote: Hi, Gail. As we're currently trying to update our collection and get rid of all VHS tapes, we no longer purchase in that format at all. Although we have no Blu-ray players in the library at this point, if a title is available in a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack, that is what I buy. If it's only available as either a DVD or a Blu-ray, I only buy the DVD. So far, we haven't had any request for Blu-ray titles. If we did get a request, I would probably tell them that since we do not currently have Blu-ray players on campus, we do not collect in that format unless it's as part of a combo pack. Deb Distante Mt. San Antonio College Library 1100 N. Grand Ave. Walnut, CA 91789 909-274-4285 ddista...@mtsac.edu From: Gail Gawlik ggaw...@stfrancis.edu To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Date: 04/08/2013 11:32 AM Subject:[Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries Sent by:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu -- -- Hi, wise media people. We have just received our first request for blu-ray discs and are wondering what other academic libraries are doing. Up until now, we have only purchased DVDs and an occasional VHS-tape if the film is only available in that format. We were wondering how other academic libraries handle this new-ish format. In particular: 1. Do you order blu-ray discs as a matter of course or only as a special request? 2. If you order the blu-ray version, do you also get the film on DVD? 2. Do you try to get those DVD/blu-ray combo packs whenever you can
Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries
I agree with everything said here. And just my thoughts after visiting four colleges this week with our son... I can see that Admissions is far more likely to talk about their professors actually teaching courses and the breath of their offerings than the quality of their AV department (though in reality more time was spent actually -- I kid you now -- on talking about their college athletic programs and the VAST number of *a cappella *clubs) but since tuition is now well over $50,000 at almost all of the private colleges, I would hope that colleges could afford more money for their AV services to match the academic excellence they are promising to prospective parents. Even if it's a 20-minute documentary on the Hubble Space Telescope for an astro-physics lab, I can see where there would be a huge importance to the projection technology. Y'all may cut and paste to send to your university presidents. ;-) As for my favorite offering this week, MIT does have the opportunity to get a Pirate's certificate for passing classes on pistols, fencing, sailing and archery. Beats a Bachelor's from Ohio U, I'm afraid. ;-) Dennis On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Meghann Matwichuk mtw...@udel.edu wrote: I think Philip makes a great point here -- there are some films where there is a marked difference in what you can see / perceive in many shots -- you really are getting more information with Bluray in some cases. Take a look at The Shining or 2001 (or any Kubrick film, for that matter) for examples. Someone who is studying film is much better served by the Blu-ray format. I think it's important to remember that it's not just a matter of preference for some -- may not be crucial for most, but for some it is. Best, * Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo On 4/12/2013 11:22 AM, Bahr, Philip wrote: We also do not support Blu-ray at Fairfield University. We have one machine in our 90-seat auditorium but no machines available to patrons within the library to view films like we have VHS and DVD players. We bought a few combo packs because I didn't want to wait months and months for the DVD-only release of a film. We have 11 so far. I personally love Blu-ray at home. After years of waiting, I finally gave in to a new television and new Blu-ray player last December and finally get the difference. Nothing matches the clarity of the picture. The best way to make the comparison is to watch a film you've seen a lot. You'll see details from the Blu-ray copy you've never noticed before. I did that with White Christmas. But for an academic library, we will not purchase Blu-ray unless the market changes and items only come out on Blu-ray. Right now I'm trying to continually re-think the balance between physical product and streaming services. Philip Philip Bahr Reference Media Librarian DiMenna-Nyselius Library Fairfield University 1073 North Benson Road Fairfield, CT 06824 203-254-4206pb...@fairfield.edu -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 12:27:12 -0700 From: Susan Weber swe...@langara.bc.ca swe...@langara.bc.ca Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Message-ID: 5165bd10.4030...@langara.bc.ca 5165bd10.4030...@langara.bc.ca Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed My response is identical to Deb's. We don't have Blu-Ray equipment, yet, although I did request funding for 4 machines (2 for Technical Services and 2 for student access in mini=theatres in the Library). When the title is avail. as a combo pack, we'll note that in our catalogue record. If it's avail. only on Blu-Ray, we won't buy it, at least until we have equip. to play it. I don't believe that format will last very long. The public market really is the driving force in terms of choice of technologies for education, and the number of releases have not been stellar in Blu-Ray. Susan Susan Weber Media Librarian Library T 604.323.5533 F 604.323.5512swe...@langara.bc.ca mailto:Susan Susan Weber swe...@langara.bc.ca swe...@langara.bc.ca Langara. http://www.langara.bc.ca http://www.langara.bc.ca 100 West 49th Avenue, Vancouver, BC, V5Y 2Z6 Please consider the environment before printing. CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately and delete this email from your system. On 10/04/2013 11:43 AM, Deb Distante wrote: Hi, Gail. As we're currently trying to update our collection and get rid of all VHS tapes, we no longer purchase in that format at all. Although we have no Blu-ray players in the library
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Ha, I hear you, Dennis! My daughter and I drove 2800 miles last week, seeing 8 campuses in 9 days! (Yes, I am STILL exhausted.) I concur about the amount of time spent talking about a cappella groups, although athletics weren't necessarily stressed at EACH of the places we visited, and I was pleased how much time was spent discussing undergraduate research opportunities and study abroad. Most distressing to me was the almost callous dismissal of the library as a topic of conversation at one (very fine) institution. There was a tour guide trainee in our group, and I quietly suggested to her that SHE might want to spend a little more time on the library and media center, perhaps even deigning to go INSIDE. *grumble grumble* Looking back on those visits, I realize that Dennis is right - really, no one specifically discussed AV services! A few mentioned IT, most stressed and featured the library/libraries, but there wasn't much reference at all to film or AV services. As for my favorite offering of last week, Haverford College's library is TO DIE FOR, in terms of a setting. Sterling at Yale was stunning, too. My biggest gripe, outside the lack of mention of AV and media, is why architects seem so committed to making science buildings so stinking ugly. Susan at Wabash From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Dennis Doros Sent: Friday, April 12, 2013 12:51 PM To: Video Library questions Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries I agree with everything said here. And just my thoughts after visiting four colleges this week with our son... I can see that Admissions is far more likely to talk about their professors actually teaching courses and the breath of their offerings than the quality of their AV department (though in reality more time was spent actually -- I kid you now -- on talking about their college athletic programs and the VAST number of a cappella clubs) but since tuition is now well over $50,000 at almost all of the private colleges, I would hope that colleges could afford more money for their AV services to match the academic excellence they are promising to prospective parents. Even if it's a 20-minute documentary on the Hubble Space Telescope for an astro-physics lab, I can see where there would be a huge importance to the projection technology. Y'all may cut and paste to send to your university presidents. ;-) As for my favorite offering this week, MIT does have the opportunity to get a Pirate's certificate for passing classes on pistols, fencing, sailing and archery. Beats a Bachelor's from Ohio U, I'm afraid. ;-) Dennis On Fri, Apr 12, 2013 at 12:14 PM, Meghann Matwichuk mtw...@udel.edumailto:mtw...@udel.edu wrote: I think Philip makes a great point here -- there are some films where there is a marked difference in what you can see / perceive in many shots -- you really are getting more information with Bluray in some cases. Take a look at The Shining or 2001 (or any Kubrick film, for that matter) for examples. Someone who is studying film is much better served by the Blu-ray format. I think it's important to remember that it's not just a matter of preference for some -- may not be crucial for most, but for some it is. Best, * Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475tel:%28302%29%20831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo On 4/12/2013 11:22 AM, Bahr, Philip wrote: We also do not support Blu-ray at Fairfield University. We have one machine in our 90-seat auditorium but no machines available to patrons within the library to view films like we have VHS and DVD players. We bought a few combo packs because I didn't want to wait months and months for the DVD-only release of a film. We have 11 so far. I personally love Blu-ray at home. After years of waiting, I finally gave in to a new television and new Blu-ray player last December and finally get the difference. Nothing matches the clarity of the picture. The best way to make the comparison is to watch a film you've seen a lot. You'll see details from the Blu-ray copy you've never noticed before. I did that with White Christmas. But for an academic library, we will not purchase Blu-ray unless the market changes and items only come out on Blu-ray. Right now I'm trying to continually re-think the balance between physical product and streaming services. Philip Philip Bahr Reference Media Librarian DiMenna-Nyselius Library Fairfield University 1073 North Benson Road Fairfield, CT 06824 203-254-4206tel:203-254-4206 pb...@fairfield.edumailto:pb...@fairfield.edu -- Message: 1 Date: Wed, 10 Apr 2013 12:27:12 -0700 From: Susan Weber swe
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My response is identical to Deb's. We don't have Blu-Ray equipment, yet, although I did request funding for 4 machines (2 for Technical Services and 2 for student access in mini=theatres in the Library). When the title is avail. as a combo pack, we'll note that in our catalogue record. If it's avail. only on Blu-Ray, we won't buy it, at least until we have equip. to play it. I don't believe that format will last very long. The public market really is the driving force in terms of choice of technologies for education, and the number of releases have not been stellar in Blu-Ray. Susan Susan Weber Media Librarian Library T 604.323.5533 F 604.323.5512 swe...@langara.bc.ca mailto:Susan Weber swe...@langara.bc.ca Langara. http://www.langara.bc.ca 100 West 49th Avenue, Vancouver, BC, V5Y 2Z6 Please consider the environment before printing. CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately and delete this email from your system. On 10/04/2013 11:43 AM, Deb Distante wrote: Hi, Gail. As we're currently trying to update our collection and get rid of all VHS tapes, we no longer purchase in that format at all. Although we have no Blu-ray players in the library at this point, if a title is available in a Blu-ray/DVD combo pack, that is what I buy. If it's only available as either a DVD or a Blu-ray, I only buy the DVD. So far, we haven't had any request for Blu-ray titles. If we did get a request, I would probably tell them that since we do not currently have Blu-ray players on campus, we do not collect in that format unless it's as part of a combo pack. Deb Distante Mt. San Antonio College Library 1100 N. Grand Ave. Walnut, CA 91789 909-274-4285 ddista...@mtsac.edu From: Gail Gawlik ggaw...@stfrancis.edu To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Date: 04/08/2013 11:32 AM Subject: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries Sent by: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu Hi, wise media people. We have just received our first request for blu-ray discs and are wondering what other academic libraries are doing. Up until now, we have only purchased DVDs and an occasional VHS-tape if the film is only available in that format. We were wondering how other academic libraries handle this new-ish format. In particular: 1. Do you order blu-ray discs as a matter of course or only as a special request? 2. If you order the blu-ray version, do you also get the film on DVD? 2. Do you try to get those DVD/blu-ray combo packs whenever you can? (They look like a pretty good deal.) And does the media crowd here expect blu-ray to replace DVDs in the near future? Thanks! Gail Gail Gawlik Head of Technical Services Brown Library University of St. Francis Joliet, IL Wearing sensible shoes proudly since 1969.VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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One of Gail's questions is, And does the media crowd here expect blu-ray to replace DVDs in the near future? From an August 2012 USA Today article: Household penetration of Blu-ray 'has not occurred as quickly as the industry had predicted, but it still continues to have double-digit increases,' says Matthew Lieberman of PricewaterhouseCoopers. The consulting firm expects Blu-ray movie disc sales will surpass DVDs by 2015. http://usat.ly/XsI3tv The article also says, Studios are not prepared to publicly write off physical media Whatever streaming's effect on Blu-ray, Hollywood is backing the discs for the foreseeable future. Of course this article isn't about films made for academic markets, but it might be relevant if you're buying box office hits by major studios. Michael May Carnegie-Stout Public Library, Dubuque --- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Gail Gawlik Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 1:26 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries Hi, wise media people. We have just received our first request for blu-ray discs and are wondering what other academic libraries are doing. Up until now, we have only purchased DVDs and an occasional VHS-tape if the film is only available in that format. We were wondering how other academic libraries handle this new-ish format. In particular: 1. Do you order blu-ray discs as a matter of course or only as a special request? 2. If you order the blu-ray version, do you also get the film on DVD? 2. Do you try to get those DVD/blu-ray combo packs whenever you can? (They look like a pretty good deal.) And does the media crowd here expect blu-ray to replace DVDs in the near future? Thanks! Gail Gail Gawlik Head of Technical Services Brown Library University of St. Francis Joliet, IL Wearing sensible shoes proudly since 1969. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries
Hi, wise media people. We have just received our first request for blu-ray discs and are wondering what other academic libraries are doing. Up until now, we have only purchased DVDs and an occasional VHS-tape if the film is only available in that format. We were wondering how other academic libraries handle this new-ish format. In particular: 1. Do you order blu-ray discs as a matter of course or only as a special request? 2. If you order the blu-ray version, do you also get the film on DVD? 2. Do you try to get those DVD/blu-ray combo packs whenever you can? (They look like a pretty good deal.) And does the media crowd here expect blu-ray to replace DVDs in the near future? Thanks! Gail Gail Gawlik Head of Technical Services Brown Library University of St. Francis Joliet, IL Wearing sensible shoes proudly since 1969. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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Hello Gail, 1) We order Blu-ray discs for the collection when we anticipate that a dvd will be heavily used / very popular (recent awards titles like Argo), if they are extremely visual (Samsara, Planet Earth), or a little of both (Life of Pi). 2) Yes, we always try to get a standard definition copy of titles we purchase on Blu-ray in the collection. There just aren't anywhere near enough patrons or classrooms outfitted with Blu-ray technology to justify a wholesale transition away from standard def. 3) We don't go out of our way to buy the combo-packs, because unfortunately we're not able to request 'special' cataloging for multi-part sets. But, there are some distributors / studios who are only releasing certain films as combo-packs (Sony Pictures Classics comes to mind, such as the film Margaret). In these cases it will only appear at first glance that we have the Blu-ray in our collection, even when there is a standard-def disc included in the packaging. We have to make a special effort to train our desk staff and patrons to look for the content note in these instances. Combo-packs are also a nice bonus when we have particularly high demand for a title. For instance, we have two standard definition copies of Argo, and one Blu-ray combo-pack. If the two standard-def DVDs are checked out, we can accommodate a third patron who doesn't have a Blu-ray player with the Blu-ray disc, thanks to the 'bonus' standard-def disc that's included. Hope this helps, * Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo On 4/8/2013 2:25 PM, Gail Gawlik wrote: Hi, wise media people. We have just received our first request for blu-ray discs and are wondering what other academic libraries are doing. Up until now, we have only purchased DVDs and an occasional VHS-tape if the film is only available in that format. We were wondering how other academic libraries handle this new-ish format. In particular: 1. Do you order blu-ray discs as a matter of course or only as a special request? 2. If you order the blu-ray version, do you also get the film on DVD? 2. Do you try to get those DVD/blu-ray combo packs whenever you can? (They look like a pretty good deal.) And does the media crowd here expect blu-ray to replace DVDs in the near future? Thanks! Gail Gail Gawlik Head of Technical Services Brown Library University of St. Francis Joliet, IL Wearing sensible shoes proudly since 1969. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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We've been building a blu-ray collection since the summer last year. We usually order the blu-ray version of most newer films and not the DVD. Sometimes we find that the DVD/blu-ray combo packs are a comparable price to the single Blu-ray discs. I don't know if blu-ray will ever replace DVD. My personal opinion is that streaming media will probably replace both those formats. Best, Junior Tidal Assistant Professor Web Services and Multimedia Librarian New York City College of Technology, CUNY 300 Jay Street, Rm A434 Brooklyn, NY 11201 718.260.5481 http://library.citytech.cuny.edu Gail Gawlik ggaw...@stfrancis.edu 4/8/2013 2:25 PM Hi, wise media people. We have just received our first request for blu-ray discs and are wondering what other academic libraries are doing. Up until now, we have only purchased DVDs and an occasional VHS-tape if the film is only available in that format. We were wondering how other academic libraries handle this new-ish format. In particular: 1. Do you order blu-ray discs as a matter of course or only as a special request? 2. If you order the blu-ray version, do you also get the film on DVD? 2. Do you try to get those DVD/blu-ray combo packs whenever you can? (They look like a pretty good deal.) And does the media crowd here expect blu-ray to replace DVDs in the near future? Thanks! Gail Gail Gawlik Head of Technical Services Brown Library University of St. Francis Joliet, IL Wearing sensible shoes proudly since 1969. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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For now, I'm doing a little bit of all three of the below options. Some faculty, particularly Film Studies, are specifically requesting Blu-ray, and I will purchase both Blu-ray and DVD for those titles. But really the Blu-ray preference has not been very strong overall. I agree that the combos, when available, are a nice option. I have to keep in consideration the equipment availability on campus. Right now our budget is such that we (the Library) can't really request Blu-ray playback equipment. Some of the classrooms have been updated to have these players, but many haven't. I'm sure that's coming, and I see no reason why, as we replace DVD players, we wouldn't purchase Blu-ray players. The snag with that view is that in general, there is a strong reliance on the DVD players within all the PCs, both in the Library and many of the classrooms, rather than standalone players. I don't think Blu-ray will ever completely replace DVD if for no other reason than existing content availability, but we are already seeing some titles only released as Blu-ray, at least initially. That makes me think we should be prepared to support Blu-ray to some extent sooner rather than later. Rue McKenzie Coordinator of Media Collections Academic Resources University of South Florida, Tampa Library 813-974-6342 / rmcken...@usf.edumailto:rmcken...@usf.edu An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't.--Anatole France From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Gail Gawlik Sent: Monday, April 08, 2013 2:26 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries Hi, wise media people. We have just received our first request for blu-ray discs and are wondering what other academic libraries are doing. Up until now, we have only purchased DVDs and an occasional VHS-tape if the film is only available in that format. We were wondering how other academic libraries handle this new-ish format. In particular: 1. Do you order blu-ray discs as a matter of course or only as a special request? 2. If you order the blu-ray version, do you also get the film on DVD? 2. Do you try to get those DVD/blu-ray combo packs whenever you can? (They look like a pretty good deal.) And does the media crowd here expect blu-ray to replace DVDs in the near future? Thanks! Gail Gail Gawlik Head of Technical Services Brown Library University of St. Francis Joliet, IL Wearing sensible shoes proudly since 1969. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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Talk about bringing a knife to a gun fight. It's a coincidence that VidLib is talking about DVD and BluRay today, since an announcement was just made today by Sony. To really piss everybody off (except for me because I'm dying to see THE BRIDGE ON THE RIVER KWAI this way), see what's coming out this month: http://www.sacbee.com/2013/04/07/5323213/sony-announces-price-and-availability.html http://store.sony.com/p/Sony-4K-TV-Ultra-HD/en/p/XBR55X900A Dennis Milestone Film Video On Mon, Apr 8, 2013 at 3:14 PM, McKenzie, Rue rmcken...@usf.edu wrote: For now, I’m doing a little bit of all three of the below options. Some faculty, particularly Film Studies, are specifically requesting Blu-ray, and I will purchase both Blu-ray and DVD for those titles. But really the Blu-ray preference has not been very strong overall. I agree that the combos, when available, are a nice option. I have to keep in consideration the equipment availability on campus. Right now our budget is such that we (the Library) can’t really request Blu-ray playback equipment. Some of the classrooms have been updated to have these players, but many haven’t. I’m sure that’s coming, and I see no reason why, as we replace DVD players, we wouldn’t purchase Blu-ray players. The snag with that view is that in general, there is a strong reliance on the DVD players within all the PCs, both in the Library and many of the classrooms, rather than standalone players. I don’t think Blu-ray will ever completely replace DVD if for no other reason than existing content availability, but we are already seeing some titles only released as Blu-ray, at least initially. That makes me think we should be prepared to support Blu-ray to some extent sooner rather than later. *Rue McKenzie* Coordinator of Media Collections Academic Resources University of South Florida, Tampa Library 813-974-6342 / rmcken...@usf.edu *An education isn't how much you have committed to memory, or even how much you know. It's being able to differentiate between what you know and what you don't.--Anatole France* * * *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Gail Gawlik *Sent:* Monday, April 08, 2013 2:26 PM *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu *Subject:* [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries ** ** Hi, wise media people. We have just received our first request for blu-ray discs and are wondering what other academic libraries are doing. Up until now, we have only purchased DVDs and an occasional VHS-tape if the film is only available in that format. We were wondering how other academic libraries handle this new-ish format. In particular: 1. Do you order blu-ray discs as a matter of course or only as a special request? 2. If you order the blu-ray version, do you also get the film on DVD? 2. Do you try to get those DVD/blu-ray combo packs whenever you can? (They look like a pretty good deal.) And does the media crowd here expect blu-ray to replace DVDs in the near future? Thanks! Gail Gail Gawlik Head of Technical Services Brown Library University of St. Francis Joliet, IL Wearing sensible shoes proudly since 1969. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries
I agree with Junior. I've wagered my 2 cents that Blu-ray will not have time to replace DVD because streaming will obsolete both first. Why not put limited funds into a streaming platform instead of Blu-ray? Unless it is for film studies, students can suffer through a standard def version of Life of Pi. And they don't need gourmet meals either!! (Says a father with 2 children in college.) Robert A. Norris Managing Director Film Ideas, Inc. Phone: (847) 419-0255 Email: b...@filmideas.com Web:www.filmideas.com 2. Blu-ray discs in academic libraries (Gail Gawlik) Hi, wise media people. We have just received our first request for blu-ray discs and are wondering what other academic libraries are doing. Up until now, we have only purchased DVDs and an occasional VHS-tape if the film is only available in that format. We were wondering how other academic libraries handle this new-ish format. In particular: 1. Do you order blu-ray discs as a matter of course or only as a special request? 2. If you order the blu-ray version, do you also get the film on DVD? 2. Do you try to get those DVD/blu-ray combo packs whenever you can? (They look like a pretty good deal.) And does the media crowd here expect blu-ray to replace DVDs in the near future? Thanks! Gail Gail Gawlik Head of Technical Services Brown Library University of St. Francis Joliet, IL Wearing sensible shoes proudly since 1969. From: Junior Tidal jti...@citytech.cuny.edu Date: April 8, 2013 1:47:39 PM CDT To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray discs in academic libraries Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu We've been building a blu-ray collection since the summer last year. We usually order the blu-ray version of most newer films and not the DVD. Sometimes we find that the DVD/blu-ray combo packs are a comparable price to the single Blu-ray discs. I don't know if blu-ray will ever replace DVD. My personal opinion is that streaming media will probably replace both those formats. Best, Junior Tidal Assistant Professor Web Services and Multimedia Librarian New York City College of Technology, CUNY 300 Jay Street, Rm A434 Brooklyn, NY 11201 718.260.5481 http://library.citytech.cuny.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] Blu-Ray/DVD/Digital Copy combos
Hi! My library has recently started purchasing a few movies that have come in combo packs with a blu-ray, DVD, and digital copy. For those that have also run across this, what, if anything, do you do with the digital copy? Thanks, Leah McAlister Instructional Materials Supervisor Information Services Kent Library MS4600 Southeast Missouri State University One University Plaza Cape Girardeau MO 63701 (573) 651-2708 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray/DVD/Digital Copy combos
We are giving ours away in a drawing at all staff meetings or teen programs. kc Kim Crowley, Director Flathead County Library System 247 First Ave E Kalispell, MT 59901 Phone: 406.758.5826 kcrow...@flathead.mt.govmailto:kcrow...@flathead.mt.gov Want more library news? Sign up for our email newsletterhttp://flatheadcountylibrary.us1.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=5e90a528e85d108c5be2b7fcbid=7946c813a6 or find us on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/flatheadcountylibrary. From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] on behalf of Mcalister, Leah [lrmcalis...@semo.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 10:16 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: [Videolib] Blu-Ray/DVD/Digital Copy combos Hi! My library has recently started purchasing a few movies that have come in combo packs with a blu-ray, DVD, and digital copy. For those that have also run across this, what, if anything, do you do with the digital copy? Thanks, Leah McAlister Instructional Materials Supervisor Information Services Kent Library MS4600 Southeast Missouri State University One University Plaza Cape Girardeau MO 63701 (573) 651-2708 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray/DVD/Digital Copy combos
We use them as cocktail coasters... gary handman We are giving ours away in a drawing at all staff meetings or teen programs. kc Kim Crowley, Director Flathead County Library System 247 First Ave E Kalispell, MT 59901 Phone: 406.758.5826 kcrow...@flathead.mt.govmailto:kcrow...@flathead.mt.gov Want more library news? Sign up for our email newsletterhttp://flatheadcountylibrary.us1.list-manage.com/subscribe?u=5e90a528e85d108c5be2b7fcbid=7946c813a6 or find us on Facebookhttp://www.facebook.com/flatheadcountylibrary. From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] on behalf of Mcalister, Leah [lrmcalis...@semo.edu] Sent: Thursday, March 01, 2012 10:16 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: [Videolib] Blu-Ray/DVD/Digital Copy combos Hi! My library has recently started purchasing a few movies that have come in combo packs with a blu-ray, DVD, and digital copy. For those that have also run across this, what, if anything, do you do with the digital copy? Thanks, Leah McAlister Instructional Materials Supervisor Information Services Kent Library MS4600 Southeast Missouri State University One University Plaza Cape Girardeau MO 63701 (573) 651-2708 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] Blu-ray/DVD combo packs
Hello, For those of you who include Blu-rays in your collections, how do you handle Blu-ray/DVD combo packs? Do you keep the Blu-ray and the DVD together, or do you separate them? Why did you decide to do what you do, and what have you found to be the advantages and disadvantages? Thanks in advance. Anna Goslen Technical Services Specialist Swarthmore College Library (610) 690-5733 agosl...@swarthmore.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray/DVD combo packs
Hello Anna, We (University of Delaware Library) have a small collection of Blurays (appx. 100, vs our 10,000+ collection of standard DVDs). When purchasing Blurays, I make sure we also have a separate, standalone standard version when possible -- only exceptions so far are those only released in the Bluray/DVD combo packs (Tree of Life, Barney's Version, Another Earth, etc.) We do not break up Bluray / DVD combos, and try to teach our student desk attendants and patrons to check the Bluray records for indications that a standard disc is packaged with it when that's the case. This decision was made primarily due to the complications in breaking up a set, in part due to how our items are cataloged (Film and Video Collection staff are not able to request special handling of our items from Bib. Control). Our materials are held in a closed stacks environment, and rely on our online catalogs to find media. Advantages: Because most of our Blurays also exist in our collection as standalone standard discs, and most of our 'regulars' know that some Blurays are packaged with standard discs, I don't think most patrons who do not have Bluray access aren't able to find what they need. We're able to keep the original packaging, and avoid extra use of shelf-space. Disadvantages: The obvious -- some patrons do not know that they can find standard definition discs by looking closely at our Bluray records. Further complicating this issue, our Library also utilizes World Cat Local, and in some instances the records linked to by our Bib Control folks do not accurately reflect that the item includes both standard and Bluray discs (a title that comes to mind is Super 8). Hope this is helpful, * Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Film and Video Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/filmandvideo On 1/19/2012 10:13 AM, Anna Goslen wrote: Hello, For those of you who include Blu-rays in your collections, how do you handle Blu-ray/DVD combo packs? Do you keep the Blu-ray and the DVD together, or do you separate them? Why did you decide to do what you do, and what have you found to be the advantages and disadvantages? Thanks in advance. Anna Goslen Technical Services Specialist Swarthmore College Library (610) 690-5733 agosl...@swarthmore.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray/DVD combo packs
We separate ours into different cases. There are still many of our students/faculty/community who do not have a Blu-ray player. This way if someone wanted the Blu-ray they would not have both formats checked out at the same time. The DVD is then available for someone else to use in the mean time and vice versa. We do not have a large collection though and they are kept in their own area out in the stacks available for browsing. Lori Espinoza Paradise Valley Community College Library On 1/19/2012 8:13 AM, Anna Goslen wrote: Hello, For those of you who include Blu-rays in your collections, how do you handle Blu-ray/DVD combo packs? Do you keep the Blu-ray and the DVD together, or do you separate them? Why did you decide to do what you do, and what have you found to be the advantages and disadvantages? Thanks in advance. Anna Goslen Technical Services Specialist Swarthmore College Library (610) 690-5733 agosl...@swarthmore.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. attachment: lori_espinoza.vcfVIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray/DVD combo packs
Hi, Because we are a public library system with 20 different locations, Blu-Ray combo packs are handled two different ways. For the branch libraries, we separate them, catalog each under the appropriate bib record and shelve them separately.Basically, the decision was made to separate because customers don't always have a Blu-ray player and because of the replacement cost issues. Some of the smaller member libraries (e.g., Riverside Library) have chosen to keep the combo packs as is. Each member library purchases their material and controls their own collection. At our Headquarters, Blu-rays are shelved away from the main DVD collection and each is housed in a security box. Right now, only four of our branch libraries have small Blu-ray collections and each is doing something different for security. One branch pulls all the discs and holds behind the circ desk. Another uses the security cases and a two leave the Blu-rays in the boxes like DVDs. Best, Paula Burlington County Library Anna Goslen wrote: Hello, For those of you who include Blu-rays in your collections, how do you handle Blu-ray/DVD combo packs? Do you keep the Blu-ray and the DVD together, or do you separate them? Why did you decide to do what you do, and what have you found to be the advantages and disadvantages? Thanks in advance. Anna Goslen Technical Services Specialist Swarthmore College Library (610) 690-5733 agosl...@swarthmore.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray/DVD combo packs
Hi, I was under the impression that we could not seperate combo packs because that would violate copyright law. Am I wrong? Thanks, Julia Churchill Oak Lawn Public Library Oak Lawn Illinois From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] on behalf of Paula Manzella [pmanz...@bcls.lib.nj.us] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:28 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray/DVD combo packs Hi, Because we are a public library system with 20 different locations, Blu-Ray combo packs are handled two different ways. For the branch libraries, we separate them, catalog each under the appropriate bib record and shelve them separately.Basically, the decision was made to separate because customers don't always have a Blu-ray player and because of the replacement cost issues. Some of the smaller member libraries (e.g., Riverside Library) have chosen to keep the combo packs as is. Each member library purchases their material and controls their own collection. At our Headquarters, Blu-rays are shelved away from the main DVD collection and each is housed in a security box. Right now, only four of our branch libraries have small Blu-ray collections and each is doing something different for security. One branch pulls all the discs and holds behind the circ desk. Another uses the security cases and a two leave the Blu-rays in the boxes like DVDs. Best, Paula Burlington County Library Anna Goslen wrote: Hello, For those of you who include Blu-rays in your collections, how do you handle Blu-ray/DVD combo packs? Do you keep the Blu-ray and the DVD together, or do you separate them? Why did you decide to do what you do, and what have you found to be the advantages and disadvantages? Thanks in advance. Anna Goslen Technical Services Specialist Swarthmore College Library (610) 690-5733 agosl...@swarthmore.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. The information transmitted in this email and any attachments is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the intended recipients. This message may be or may contain privileged and confidential communications. If you as the reader are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any retention, review, use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication or the information contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original message from your system. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray/DVD combo packs
Nah... Nothing in the copyright law that would prevent you. Once you bought it (under the terms of the First Sale doctrine) you can pretty much use the discs it as a coasters, pocket mirrors, or frisbees if you want to. gary handman Hi, I was under the impression that we could not seperate combo packs because that would violate copyright law. Am I wrong? Thanks, Julia Churchill Oak Lawn Public Library Oak Lawn Illinois From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] on behalf of Paula Manzella [pmanz...@bcls.lib.nj.us] Sent: Thursday, January 19, 2012 10:28 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray/DVD combo packs Hi, Because we are a public library system with 20 different locations, Blu-Ray combo packs are handled two different ways. For the branch libraries, we separate them, catalog each under the appropriate bib record and shelve them separately.Basically, the decision was made to separate because customers don't always have a Blu-ray player and because of the replacement cost issues. Some of the smaller member libraries (e.g., Riverside Library) have chosen to keep the combo packs as is. Each member library purchases their material and controls their own collection. At our Headquarters, Blu-rays are shelved away from the main DVD collection and each is housed in a security box. Right now, only four of our branch libraries have small Blu-ray collections and each is doing something different for security. One branch pulls all the discs and holds behind the circ desk. Another uses the security cases and a two leave the Blu-rays in the boxes like DVDs. Best, Paula Burlington County Library Anna Goslen wrote: Hello, For those of you who include Blu-rays in your collections, how do you handle Blu-ray/DVD combo packs? Do you keep the Blu-ray and the DVD together, or do you separate them? Why did you decide to do what you do, and what have you found to be the advantages and disadvantages? Thanks in advance. Anna Goslen Technical Services Specialist Swarthmore College Library (610) 690-5733 agosl...@swarthmore.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. The information transmitted in this email and any attachments is intended only for the personal and confidential use of the intended recipients. This message may be or may contain privileged and confidential communications. If you as the reader are not the intended recipient, you are hereby notified that you have received this communication in error and that any retention, review, use, dissemination, distribution or copying of this communication or the information contained is strictly prohibited. If you have received this communication in error, please notify the sender immediately and delete the original message from your system. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] Blu-Ray vs. DVD players for training videos
My media person and I are meeting with the AV consultants for a new building this afternoon. I need your collective wisdom. Our college is a small, two-year technical college. The library purchases very few non-technical media. We mainly purchase industrial training or health related media. We still have many VHS tapes. We are systematically updating them, but we refuse and cannot afford to purchase a DVD that is the same the same as the VHS tape. For example: Ohms Law has not changed in that last several hundred years. We have also subscribed to some streaming media such as the Health Collection from Films On Demand. Our AV consultant spec'd out a Blu-Ray/VCR combo, but it is no longer available. They have proposed just a Blu-Ray player with a no VHS. We are thinking that a DVD/VHS unit with several Blu-Ray players that can use an input on the Extron controller would be more appropriate for our use. But we want to be forward thinking. We keep telling the AV consultant to design for the future. For example, we had to fight for HDMI. Do you see our type of training media going to Blu-Ray in the near future? Thanks for your input. Jane Jane Blume Director, Library and Media Services Bellingham Technical College 3028 Lindbergh Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-752-8472 - phone 360-752-7272 - fax mailto:jbl...@btc.ctc.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray vs. DVD players for training videos
Granted, there are not a lot of these, but I did locate a couple of models that do both. If you find one you like, make sure you buy extras for replacement units. I think since BluRay players can run standard DVDs, that combination would be the simplest for your user group (IMHO). From experience, I know that faculty don't always think about ordering a special player ahead of time, and hooking one into a podium or equipment cabinet at the last minute can be a hassle for support staff. Good luck, whatever you decide. Val Gangwer On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Jane Blume jbl...@btc.ctc.edu wrote: My media person and I are meeting with the AV consultants for a new building this afternoon. I need your collective wisdom. ** ** Our college is a small, two-year technical college. The library purchases very few non-technical media. We mainly purchase industrial training or health related media. We still have many VHS tapes. We are systematically updating them, but we refuse and cannot afford to purchase a DVD that is the same the same as the VHS tape. For example: Ohms Law has not changed in that last several hundred years. We have also subscribed to some streaming media such as the Health Collection from Films On Demand. ** ** Our AV consultant spec’d out a Blu-Ray/VCR combo, but it is no longer available. They have proposed just a Blu-Ray player with a no VHS. We are thinking that a DVD/VHS unit with several Blu-Ray players that can use an input on the Extron controller would be more appropriate for our use. ** ** But we want to be forward thinking. We keep telling the AV consultant to design for the future. For example, we had to fight for HDMI. ** ** Do you see our type of training media going to Blu-Ray in the near future? ** ** Thanks for your input. ** ** Jane ** ** Jane Blume Director, Library and Media Services Bellingham Technical College 3028 Lindbergh Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-752-8472 - phone 360-752-7272 - fax mailto:jbl...@btc.ctc.edu jbl...@btc.ctc.edu ** ** ** ** VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray vs. DVD players for training videos
I think you're going to need the VHS player a lot more than the Blu-Ray, but a Blu-Ray player does play regular discs, so if you find a combo Blu-Ray/VHS, you should be good. I'm having a hard time picturing technical films being distributed in high definition... By HDMI, do you mean making sure the projectors can display Blu-Ray level resolution? Barb Bergman | Media Services Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Valerie Gangwer Sent: Thursday, October 13, 2011 3:17 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray vs. DVD players for training videos Granted, there are not a lot of these, but I did locate a couple of models that do both. If you find one you like, make sure you buy extras for replacement units. I think since BluRay players can run standard DVDs, that combination would be the simplest for your user group (IMHO). From experience, I know that faculty don't always think about ordering a special player ahead of time, and hooking one into a podium or equipment cabinet at the last minute can be a hassle for support staff. Good luck, whatever you decide. Val Gangwer On Thu, Oct 13, 2011 at 12:23 PM, Jane Blume jbl...@btc.ctc.edumailto:jbl...@btc.ctc.edu wrote: My media person and I are meeting with the AV consultants for a new building this afternoon. I need your collective wisdom. Our college is a small, two-year technical college. The library purchases very few non-technical media. We mainly purchase industrial training or health related media. We still have many VHS tapes. We are systematically updating them, but we refuse and cannot afford to purchase a DVD that is the same the same as the VHS tape. For example: Ohms Law has not changed in that last several hundred years. We have also subscribed to some streaming media such as the Health Collection from Films On Demand. Our AV consultant spec'd out a Blu-Ray/VCR combo, but it is no longer available. They have proposed just a Blu-Ray player with a no VHS. We are thinking that a DVD/VHS unit with several Blu-Ray players that can use an input on the Extron controller would be more appropriate for our use. But we want to be forward thinking. We keep telling the AV consultant to design for the future. For example, we had to fight for HDMI. Do you see our type of training media going to Blu-Ray in the near future? Thanks for your input. Jane Jane Blume Director, Library and Media Services Bellingham Technical College 3028 Lindbergh Ave. Bellingham, WA 98225 360-752-8472tel:360-752-8472 - phone 360-752-7272tel:360-752-7272 - fax mailto:jbl...@btc.ctc.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray
I have not heard of that yet - but it sure would be a great invention for someone with the talent for such a thing. We do not buy Blu-Ray at our college because most do not own Blu-Ray machines. So we are sticking to regular DVD's for right now. But, if a computer comes with Blu-Ray capabilities I Just have to have it. Patricia Stockwell Head of Technical Services / College Archivist Pikes Peak Community College 5675 S. Academy Blvd. Box 7 Colorado Springs, CO 80906 719-502-3238 patricia.stockw...@ppcc.edu He who does not understand your silence, will probably not understand your words. - Elbert Hubbard From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Weber Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 5:19 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray Do you think that will change in future computers? After all, the monitors are becoming HD. Susan On 15/09/2011 3:42 PM, Dorfman, Andrew wrote: There are internal Blu-Ray drives (read and write) available for computers but it's not a common standard configuration yet. At least not that I've seen. Andy Regis University Library From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Weber Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:20 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edumailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: [Videolib] Blu-Ray Folks: I've been off this list for more than a month, so here I am, back in the fold. As I'm sure some of you are aware, some films are being released only on Blu-Ray (BD). Our College doesn't currently own a Blu-Ray player, although it is on the purchase request list (1 or 2 machines, not converting all existing classrooms). Can someone tell me if BD will play in a computer, as opposed to having a Blu-Ray player? Susan -- Susan Weber Media Librarian Library T 604.323.5533 F 604.323.5512 swe...@langara.bc.camailto:susan%20weber%20%3cswe...@langara.bc.ca%3E Langara.http://www.langara.bc.ca 100 West 49th Avenue, Vancouver, BC, V5Y 2Z6 Please consider the environment before printing. CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately and delete this email from your system. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Susan Weber Media Librarian Library T 604.323.5533 F 604.323.5512 swe...@langara.bc.camailto:susan%20weber%20%3cswe...@langara.bc.ca%3E Langara.http://www.langara.bc.ca 100 West 49th Avenue, Vancouver, BC, V5Y 2Z6 Please consider the environment before printing. CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately and delete this email from your system. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] Blu-Ray
Folks: I've been off this list for more than a month, so here I am, back in the fold. As I'm sure some of you are aware, some films are being released only on Blu-Ray (BD). Our College doesn't currently own a Blu-Ray player, although it is on the purchase request list (1 or 2 machines, not converting all existing classrooms). Can someone tell me if BD will play in a computer, as opposed to having a Blu-Ray player? Susan -- Susan Weber Media Librarian Library T 604.323.5533 F 604.323.5512 swe...@langara.bc.ca mailto:susan%20weber%20%3cswe...@langara.bc.ca%3E Langara. http://www.langara.bc.ca 100 West 49th Avenue, Vancouver, BC, V5Y 2Z6 Please consider the environment before printing. CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately and delete this email from your system. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray
Do you think that will change in future computers? After all, the monitors are becoming HD. Susan On 15/09/2011 3:42 PM, Dorfman, Andrew wrote: There are internal Blu-Ray drives (read and write) available for computers but it's not a common standard configuration yet. At least not that I've seen. Andy Regis University Library *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Susan Weber *Sent:* Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:20 PM *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu *Subject:* [Videolib] Blu-Ray Folks: I've been off this list for more than a month, so here I am, back in the fold. As I'm sure some of you are aware, some films are being released only on Blu-Ray (BD). Our College doesn't currently own a Blu-Ray player, although it is on the purchase request list (1 or 2 machines, not converting all existing classrooms). Can someone tell me if BD will play in a computer, as opposed to having a Blu-Ray player? Susan -- Susan Weber Media Librarian Library T 604.323.5533 F 604.323.5512 swe...@langara.bc.ca mailto:susan%20weber%20%3cswe...@langara.bc.ca%3E *Langara.* http://www.langara.bc.ca 100 West 49th Avenue, Vancouver, BC, V5Y 2Z6 Please consider the environment before printing. CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately and delete this email from your system. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Susan Weber Media Librarian Library T 604.323.5533 F 604.323.5512 swe...@langara.bc.ca mailto:susan%20weber%20%3cswe...@langara.bc.ca%3E Langara. http://www.langara.bc.ca 100 West 49th Avenue, Vancouver, BC, V5Y 2Z6 Please consider the environment before printing. CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately and delete this email from your system. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray
Maybe, although I bet the content producers are probably going to push for downloadables and streaming instead. Bryan Griest Glendale Public Library From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Weber Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:19 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray Do you think that will change in future computers? After all, the monitors are becoming HD. Susan On 15/09/2011 3:42 PM, Dorfman, Andrew wrote: There are internal Blu-Ray drives (read and write) available for computers but it's not a common standard configuration yet. At least not that I've seen. Andy Regis University Library From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Susan Weber Sent: Thursday, September 15, 2011 4:20 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: [Videolib] Blu-Ray Folks: I've been off this list for more than a month, so here I am, back in the fold. As I'm sure some of you are aware, some films are being released only on Blu-Ray (BD). Our College doesn't currently own a Blu-Ray player, although it is on the purchase request list (1 or 2 machines, not converting all existing classrooms). Can someone tell me if BD will play in a computer, as opposed to having a Blu-Ray player? Susan -- Susan Weber Media Librarian Library T 604.323.5533 F 604.323.5512 swe...@langara.bc.ca mailto:susan%20weber%20%3cswe...@langara.bc.ca%3E Langara. http://www.langara.bc.ca 100 West 49th Avenue, Vancouver, BC, V5Y 2Z6 Please consider the environment before printing. CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately and delete this email from your system. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Susan Weber Media Librarian Library T 604.323.5533 F 604.323.5512 swe...@langara.bc.ca mailto:susan%20weber%20%3cswe...@langara.bc.ca%3E Langara. http://www.langara.bc.ca 100 West 49th Avenue, Vancouver, BC, V5Y 2Z6 Please consider the environment before printing. CONFIDENTIALITY: This e-mail may contain confidential or privileged information. If you are not the intended recipient, please notify us immediately and delete this email from your system. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] Blu-ray
Hi- What is the current theory on whether it pays to be adding Blu-ray feature films, even when Blu-ray isn't a campus wide standard, or where there are not classrooms dedicated for cinema studies viewing. (Northeastern has at least four Blu-Ray players available for reservation). Also we have no Blu-ray players in the library yet. I'd appreciate hearing about what folks are doing with this conundrum. I am sure there have been conversations about this before, but I wasn't paying attention. Unfortunately Blu-Ray players do not play regular DVDs, a major issue. I'd love to hear from you! Debra Debra H. Mandel, Head, Digital Media Design Studio Northeastern University Libraries 200 Snell Library 360 Huntington Ave. Boston, MA 02115 617.373.4902 617.373.5409 fax [cid:DA067670-A275-4F57-9DBA-38823D44EFAF] inline: image.pngVIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray
Hi Debra, All the Blu-ray players I've ever worked with have played DVDs. Our viewing stations are equipped with Oppo multi-region Blu-ray players that play all Blu-rays and all DVDs. Oksana Oksana Dykyj Concordia University Montreal, Canada At 08:35 AM 03/05/2011, you wrote: Content-Language: en-US Content-Type: multipart/related; boundary=_004_C9E56ED019A65dmandelneuedu_; type=multipart/alternative Hi- What is the current theory on whether it pays to be adding Blu-ray feature films, even when Blu-ray isn't a campus wide standard, or where there are not classrooms dedicated for cinema studies viewing. (Northeastern has at least four Blu-Ray players available for reservation). Also we have no Blu-ray players in the library yet. I'd appreciate hearing about what folks are doing with this conundrum. I am sure there have been conversations about this before, but I wasn't paying attention. Unfortunately Blu-Ray players do not play regular DVDs, a major issue. I'd love to hear from you! Debra Debra H. Mandel, Head, Digital Media Design Studio Northeastern University Libraries 200 Snell Library 360 Huntington Ave. Boston, MA 02115 617.373.4902 617.373.5409 fax [] VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. inline: 2019f81c.png VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray
Dear Debra, Just a quick note that regular DVDs do indeed play in Blu-ray players and there are several now that can play all regions of both. And in terms of feature films, there is no comparison in quality. Blu-rays look significantly better. So if you're playing a talking-head documentary on a monitor, that's no big deal. But if you want to project Terence Malick's DAYS OF HEAVEN on to a screen, the investment is fairly small in terms of players and discs relative to the increased experience. Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero Harrington Park, NJ 07640 email: milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com http://www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! Follow Milestone on Twitter! http://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Mandel, Debra d.man...@neu.edu wrote: Hi- What is the current theory on whether it pays to be adding Blu-ray feature films, even when Blu-ray isn't a campus wide standard, or where there are not classrooms dedicated for cinema studies viewing. (Northeastern has at least four Blu-Ray players available for reservation). Also we have no Blu-ray players in the library yet. I'd appreciate hearing about what folks are doing with this conundrum. I am sure there have been conversations about this before, but I wasn't paying attention. Unfortunately Blu-Ray players do not play regular DVDs, a major issue. I'd love to hear from you! Debra Debra H. Mandel, Head, Digital Media Design Studio Northeastern University Libraries 200 Snell Library 360 Huntington Ave. Boston, MA 02115 617.373.4902 617.373.5409 fax VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- image.pngVIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray
Hi Debra, BluRay players DO play regular dvds -- at least all models I've worked with have. Our Viewing Room facility in the Library, which can be scheduled by instructors for classes, is equipped with a BluRay player and we use that as our 'main' player for all DVDs except those that require multi-region / PAL playback. A few thoughts: We have added a small number of BluRay titles to our circulating collection -- ~45. Compared to our standard-def DVD collection, which is approaching 10,000 titles, it really is a drop in the bucket. They do circulate -- not a ton, but almost all if the titles have circulated at least several times since we began purchasing a few here and there a little over a year ago. The titles that have circulated most, not surprisingly, are the big, special effect films like Avatar, however the BBC educational titles like Planet Earth and Wild China aren't far behind. The Disney Pixar films also get checked out a decent amount, and new(er) releases, like Inception. I don't order anything on BluRay that we don't have in the collection in standard-def, since I'm not convinced Blu-Ray will ever reach the kind of critical mass that we'd need to justify only providing titles in that format. (This may have to change when titles start being released *only* in BluRay packages, such as the forthcoming Illusionist and PBS's Salt.) Some BluRays come packaged with a standard definition disc, which has served as a good fallback when our standard-def version of the title is checked out. In these cases though, I wonder whether or not it would have been just as or more helpful to purchase multiple copies of the title in standard-def. All in all, I think they fit into our collection mostly a novelty, as there are as yet few titles that come to mind where I think there is a dramatic enough improvement between standard-def and BluRay versions. I've noticed that, just as with standard-def, not all Blu-Rays are created equally. It's worth looking into reviews on sites like DVD Beaver for older films that are released to see if there is any value added in the BluRay transfer, since many (especially the cheapest titles) don't look much different on BluRay. Some remasterings even look worse -- for instance, I'd choose the standard def. restoration over the BluRay of North by Northwest any day. The notable exception in these cases are the beautifully remastered Kubrick films. The Shining, 2001, etc. (Barry Lyndon upcoming) -- these truly are stunning in HD, and film studies folks are very likely to glean a lot of new detail and information from these titles. Same for the Criterion BluRay of Tati's Playtime. I do not believe BluRay is widely supported in classrooms on our campus, and don't know that there are plans to move in that direction. Hope this is helpful, * Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Instructional Media Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/instructionalmedia/ On 5/3/2011 8:35 AM, Mandel, Debra wrote: Hi- What is the current theory on whether it pays to be adding Blu-ray feature films, even when Blu-ray isn't a campus wide standard, or where there are not classrooms dedicated for cinema studies viewing. (Northeastern has at least four Blu-Ray players available for reservation). Also we have no Blu-ray players in the library yet. I'd appreciate hearing about what folks are doing with this conundrum. I am sure there have been conversations about this before, but I wasn't paying attention. Unfortunately Blu-Ray players do not play regular DVDs, a major issue. I'd love to hear from you! Debra Debra H. Mandel, Head, Digital Media Design Studio Northeastern University Libraries 200 Snell Library 360 Huntington Ave. Boston, MA 02115 617.373.4902 617.373.5409 fax VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray
Despite my lukewarm assessment of HD for feature films in my previous email, I feel like I need to hedge a bit after reading Dennis's email and say, "it depends on the screen". On a large screen, yes, the difference is appreciable. However, our viewing carrels are equipped with 18" monitors, at which point there isn't a remarkable difference for most titles. And of course, in a campus environment, the investment needed in terms of players and projection upgrades becomes a bit more complicated. * Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Instructional Media Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/instructionalmedia/ On 5/3/2011 8:59 AM, Dennis Doros wrote: Dear Debra, Just a quick note that regular DVDs do indeed play in Blu-ray players and there are several now that can play all regions of both. And in terms of feature films, there is no comparison in quality. Blu-rays look significantly better. So if you're playing a talking-head documentary on a monitor, that's no big deal. But if you want to project Terence Malick's DAYS OF HEAVEN on to a screen, the investment is fairly small in terms of players and discs relative to the increased experience. Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero Harrington Park, NJ 07640 email:milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011:www.amianet.org Join "Milestone Film" on Facebook! Follow Milestone on Twitter! On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Mandel, Debra d.man...@neu.edu wrote: Hi- What is the current theory on whether it pays to be adding Blu-ray feature films, even when Blu-ray isn't a campus wide standard, or where there are not classrooms dedicated for cinema studies viewing. (Northeastern has at least four Blu-Ray players available for reservation). Also we have no Blu-ray players in the library yet. I'd appreciate hearing about what folks are doing with this conundrum. I am sure there have been conversations about this before, but I wasn't paying attention. Unfortunately Blu-Ray players do not play regular DVDs, a major issue. I'd love to hear from you! Debra Debra H. Mandel, Head, Digital Media Design Studio Northeastern University Libraries 200 Snell Library 360 Huntington Ave. Boston, MA 02115 617.373.4902 617.373.5409 fax VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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If this were utopia 1) Deadwood would have run ten more seasons 2) world peace would have reigned 3) all classrooms on all campuses would be tricked out with Blu-ray and Dolby sound. (OK, OK, Dennis, 35mm and THX) Unfortnately... As far as media center viewing goes, most of us have under 17 monitors for individual viewing (as has been pointed out), and it simply doesn't make sense to go hi def in a low def viewing situation... Most classrooms have less than hi def projection, if that. Since classrooms are often controlled and maintained by units outside of the library, the chances of a wholesale swing to Blu-ray is fairly unlikely (at Berkeley it's more than unlikely). And I have to raise the question: outside of film studies and other visual studies that scrutinize film for film sake, what's the real need? And, lastly, if some form of hi def supplants garden variety DVD in the consumer marketplace, what happens to all of our friends, the indie distributors? You guys all gonna swing over? Since downward compatibility isn't always in the best interests of the consumer electronics industry, I don't think that it's out of the realm of possibility that current DVD/DVD-R are aced out completely (that is, if the market supports the long-term survival of Blu-ray) Then what? Gary (waiting at home for the plumber to come) Handman Wow. That's a bit harsh. For every prof. who tells you your 'throwing money away' on standard def., I'm willing to bet you could find at least 5 who can't even tell the difference or don't care (*especially* on such small screens). Good luck! -- Meghann On 5/3/2011 9:29 AM, Mandel, Debra wrote: Our library's monitor's are only 10, and I have to find out about our classroom projectors being HD ready. I am simply responding to a cinema studies faculty member who told me I was throwing money away on regular DVDs. Debra From: Meghann Matwichuk mtw...@udel.edu mailto:mtw...@udel.edu Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edu mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 09:10:14 -0400 To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edu mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray Despite my lukewarm assessment of HD for feature films in my previous email, I feel like I need to hedge a bit after reading Dennis's email and say, it depends on the screen. On a large screen, yes, the difference is appreciable. However, our viewing carrels are equipped with 18 monitors, at which point there isn't a remarkable difference for most titles. And of course, in a campus environment, the investment needed in terms of players and projection upgrades becomes a bit more complicated. * Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Instructional Media Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/instructionalmedia/ On 5/3/2011 8:59 AM, Dennis Doros wrote: Dear Debra, Just a quick note that regular DVDs do indeed play in Blu-ray players and there are several now that can play all regions of both. And in terms of feature films, there is no comparison in quality. Blu-rays look significantly better. So if you're playing a talking-head documentary on a monitor, that's no big deal. But if you want to project Terence Malick's DAYS OF HEAVEN on to a screen, the investment is fairly small in terms of players and discs relative to the increased experience. Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero Harrington Park, NJ 07640 email: milefi...@gmail.com mailto:milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com http://www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com http://www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com http://www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com http://www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com http://www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com http://www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org http://www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! Follow Milestone on Twitter! http://twitter.com/#%21/MilestoneFilms On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Mandel, Debra d.man...@neu.edu mailto:d.man...@neu.edu wrote: Hi- What is the current theory on whether it pays to be adding Blu-ray feature films, even when Blu-ray isn't a campus wide standard, or where there are not classrooms dedicated for cinema studies viewing. (Northeastern has at least four Blu-Ray players available for reservation). Also we have no Blu-ray players in the library yet. I'd appreciate hearing about what folks are doing with this conundrum. I am sure there have been conversations about this before, but I wasn't paying attention. Unfortunately Blu-Ray players do not play regular DVDs, a major issue. I'd love to hear from
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I agree Gary--I would be primarily targeting cinema and media studies classes, nothing on a grand scale. If our library has adequate funding, it might be nice to have one or two high-end viewing/listening venues with HD capability. We would only do this if the University decides to create similar cinema/media studies viewing classrooms, and hopefully we would get some additional funds for our cinema studies collection. But this isn't highest on my priority list--I'm just questioning the possibilities, should certain things fall into place. But more importantly, good luck with the plumber! Debra On 5/3/11 11:34 AM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: If this were utopia 1) Deadwood would have run ten more seasons 2) world peace would have reigned 3) all classrooms on all campuses would be tricked out with Blu-ray and Dolby sound. (OK, OK, Dennis, 35mm and THX) Unfortnately... As far as media center viewing goes, most of us have under 17 monitors for individual viewing (as has been pointed out), and it simply doesn't make sense to go hi def in a low def viewing situation... Most classrooms have less than hi def projection, if that. Since classrooms are often controlled and maintained by units outside of the library, the chances of a wholesale swing to Blu-ray is fairly unlikely (at Berkeley it's more than unlikely). And I have to raise the question: outside of film studies and other visual studies that scrutinize film for film sake, what's the real need? And, lastly, if some form of hi def supplants garden variety DVD in the consumer marketplace, what happens to all of our friends, the indie distributors? You guys all gonna swing over? Since downward compatibility isn't always in the best interests of the consumer electronics industry, I don't think that it's out of the realm of possibility that current DVD/DVD-R are aced out completely (that is, if the market supports the long-term survival of Blu-ray) Then what? Gary (waiting at home for the plumber to come) Handman Wow. That's a bit harsh. For every prof. who tells you your 'throwing money away' on standard def., I'm willing to bet you could find at least 5 who can't even tell the difference or don't care (*especially* on such small screens). Good luck! -- Meghann On 5/3/2011 9:29 AM, Mandel, Debra wrote: Our library's monitor's are only 10, and I have to find out about our classroom projectors being HD ready. I am simply responding to a cinema studies faculty member who told me I was throwing money away on regular DVDs. Debra From: Meghann Matwichuk mtw...@udel.edu mailto:mtw...@udel.edu Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edu mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 09:10:14 -0400 To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edu mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray Despite my lukewarm assessment of HD for feature films in my previous email, I feel like I need to hedge a bit after reading Dennis's email and say, it depends on the screen. On a large screen, yes, the difference is appreciable. However, our viewing carrels are equipped with 18 monitors, at which point there isn't a remarkable difference for most titles. And of course, in a campus environment, the investment needed in terms of players and projection upgrades becomes a bit more complicated. * Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Instructional Media Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/instructionalmedia/ On 5/3/2011 8:59 AM, Dennis Doros wrote: Dear Debra, Just a quick note that regular DVDs do indeed play in Blu-ray players and there are several now that can play all regions of both. And in terms of feature films, there is no comparison in quality. Blu-rays look significantly better. So if you're playing a talking-head documentary on a monitor, that's no big deal. But if you want to project Terence Malick's DAYS OF HEAVEN on to a screen, the investment is fairly small in terms of players and discs relative to the increased experience. Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero Harrington Park, NJ 07640 email: milefi...@gmail.com mailto:milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com http://www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com http://www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com http://www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com http://www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com http://www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com http://www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org http://www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! Follow Milestone on Twitter! http://twitter.com/#%21/MilestoneFilms On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Mandel, Debra d.man
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Dear Gary, First of all, no one waits for the plumber here in Jersey. Godot will come first. Leave the door open and hope the vandals are good with a monkey wrench. Agreed on everything else but here's the thing. The indies are indeed moving over to Blu-ray (Milestone and Flicker Alley will have their first releases while Kino and Criterion are already heavily into it) but I suspect it's only because DVD sales suck so much. It might only be a five years of time since streaming is the tidal wave of the future, but right now most of that is VHS quality. So, yes, you are probably buying into a dying medium but it might be far superior than what you get in a few years. And streaming might not have bonus features -- some of those are as important to the classroom as the films themselves. I really do feel that at $25 a pop, the best machines (the Oppo) are under $500, and HD projection not much more, then it's worth the investment for film studies. I, of course, agree with my pal Oksana whose main interest is providing optimal quality for her students. And I assume she is paying a lot more for the discs (they have to have PPR) while their students are paying cheaper tuition since Canada tends to be less in fees. So my conclusion (which I know she would laugh at if she wasn't crying) is that Concordia gives her more support for her work. As a father with a freshman in high school, I have to save a LOT of money for the undergraduate degree (and more yet for the doctorate) and I'm hoping that his college will provide him with a maximum experience for his education. Since it'll be physics, I suspect this will be true. For film studies, it probably depends on the college. You're lucky, of course, to have the PFA on campus so your students *do* have the 35mm experience in the best possible fashion. Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero Harrington Park, NJ 07640 email: milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com http://www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! Follow Milestone on Twitter! http://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 11:34 AM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: If this were utopia 1) Deadwood would have run ten more seasons 2) world peace would have reigned 3) all classrooms on all campuses would be tricked out with Blu-ray and Dolby sound. (OK, OK, Dennis, 35mm and THX) Unfortnately... As far as media center viewing goes, most of us have under 17 monitors for individual viewing (as has been pointed out), and it simply doesn't make sense to go hi def in a low def viewing situation... Most classrooms have less than hi def projection, if that. Since classrooms are often controlled and maintained by units outside of the library, the chances of a wholesale swing to Blu-ray is fairly unlikely (at Berkeley it's more than unlikely). And I have to raise the question: outside of film studies and other visual studies that scrutinize film for film sake, what's the real need? And, lastly, if some form of hi def supplants garden variety DVD in the consumer marketplace, what happens to all of our friends, the indie distributors? You guys all gonna swing over? Since downward compatibility isn't always in the best interests of the consumer electronics industry, I don't think that it's out of the realm of possibility that current DVD/DVD-R are aced out completely (that is, if the market supports the long-term survival of Blu-ray) Then what? Gary (waiting at home for the plumber to come) Handman Wow. That's a bit harsh. For every prof. who tells you your 'throwing money away' on standard def., I'm willing to bet you could find at least 5 who can't even tell the difference or don't care (*especially* on such small screens). Good luck! -- Meghann On 5/3/2011 9:29 AM, Mandel, Debra wrote: Our library's monitor's are only 10, and I have to find out about our classroom projectors being HD ready. I am simply responding to a cinema studies faculty member who told me I was throwing money away on regular DVDs. Debra From: Meghann Matwichuk mtw...@udel.edu mailto:mtw...@udel.edu Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edu mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 09:10:14 -0400 To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edu mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray Despite my lukewarm assessment of HD for feature films in my previous email, I feel like I need to hedge a bit after reading Dennis's email and say, it depends on the screen. On a large screen, yes, the difference is appreciable. However, our viewing carrels are equipped with 18 monitors, at which point there isn't a remarkable difference
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I'm glad to report that Godot (with monkeywrench) has come and gone (at $100 hr.) It's not the Milestones and Flicker Alleys that I'm worried about, Dennis. It's the Bullfrogs and Icaruses and WMMs... gary Dear Gary, First of all, no one waits for the plumber here in Jersey. Godot will come first. Leave the door open and hope the vandals are good with a monkey wrench. Agreed on everything else but here's the thing. The indies are indeed moving over to Blu-ray (Milestone and Flicker Alley will have their first releases while Kino and Criterion are already heavily into it) but I suspect it's only because DVD sales suck so much. It might only be a five years of time since streaming is the tidal wave of the future, but right now most of that is VHS quality. So, yes, you are probably buying into a dying medium but it might be far superior than what you get in a few years. And streaming might not have bonus features -- some of those are as important to the classroom as the films themselves. I really do feel that at $25 a pop, the best machines (the Oppo) are under $500, and HD projection not much more, then it's worth the investment for film studies. I, of course, agree with my pal Oksana whose main interest is providing optimal quality for her students. And I assume she is paying a lot more for the discs (they have to have PPR) while their students are paying cheaper tuition since Canada tends to be less in fees. So my conclusion (which I know she would laugh at if she wasn't crying) is that Concordia gives her more support for her work. As a father with a freshman in high school, I have to save a LOT of money for the undergraduate degree (and more yet for the doctorate) and I'm hoping that his college will provide him with a maximum experience for his education. Since it'll be physics, I suspect this will be true. For film studies, it probably depends on the college. You're lucky, of course, to have the PFA on campus so your students *do* have the 35mm experience in the best possible fashion. Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero Harrington Park, NJ 07640 email: milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com http://www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! Follow Milestone on Twitter! http://twitter.com/#!/MilestoneFilms On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 11:34 AM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: If this were utopia 1) Deadwood would have run ten more seasons 2) world peace would have reigned 3) all classrooms on all campuses would be tricked out with Blu-ray and Dolby sound. (OK, OK, Dennis, 35mm and THX) Unfortnately... As far as media center viewing goes, most of us have under 17 monitors for individual viewing (as has been pointed out), and it simply doesn't make sense to go hi def in a low def viewing situation... Most classrooms have less than hi def projection, if that. Since classrooms are often controlled and maintained by units outside of the library, the chances of a wholesale swing to Blu-ray is fairly unlikely (at Berkeley it's more than unlikely). And I have to raise the question: outside of film studies and other visual studies that scrutinize film for film sake, what's the real need? And, lastly, if some form of hi def supplants garden variety DVD in the consumer marketplace, what happens to all of our friends, the indie distributors? You guys all gonna swing over? Since downward compatibility isn't always in the best interests of the consumer electronics industry, I don't think that it's out of the realm of possibility that current DVD/DVD-R are aced out completely (that is, if the market supports the long-term survival of Blu-ray) Then what? Gary (waiting at home for the plumber to come) Handman Wow. That's a bit harsh. For every prof. who tells you your 'throwing money away' on standard def., I'm willing to bet you could find at least 5 who can't even tell the difference or don't care (*especially* on such small screens). Good luck! -- Meghann On 5/3/2011 9:29 AM, Mandel, Debra wrote: Our library's monitor's are only 10, and I have to find out about our classroom projectors being HD ready. I am simply responding to a cinema studies faculty member who told me I was throwing money away on regular DVDs. Debra From: Meghann Matwichuk mtw...@udel.edu mailto:mtw...@udel.edu Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edu mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 09:10:14 -0400 To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edu mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray Despite my lukewarm assessment of HD for feature films in my previous email
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@lists.berkeley.edu mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edu mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray Despite my lukewarm assessment of HD for feature films in my previous email, I feel like I need to hedge a bit after reading Dennis's email and say, it depends on the screen. On a large screen, yes, the difference is appreciable. However, our viewing carrels are equipped with 18 monitors, at which point there isn't a remarkable difference for most titles. And of course, in a campus environment, the investment needed in terms of players and projection upgrades becomes a bit more complicated. * Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Instructional Media Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/instructionalmedia/ On 5/3/2011 8:59 AM, Dennis Doros wrote: Dear Debra, Just a quick note that regular DVDs do indeed play in Blu-ray players and there are several now that can play all regions of both. And in terms of feature films, there is no comparison in quality. Blu-rays look significantly better. So if you're playing a talking-head documentary on a monitor, that's no big deal. But if you want to project Terence Malick's DAYS OF HEAVEN on to a screen, the investment is fairly small in terms of players and discs relative to the increased experience. Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero Harrington Park, NJ 07640 email: milefi...@gmail.com mailto:milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com http://www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com http://www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com http://www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com http://www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com http://www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com http://www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org http://www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! Follow Milestone on Twitter! http://twitter.com/#%21/MilestoneFilms On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Mandel, Debra d.man...@neu.edu mailto:d.man...@neu.edu wrote: Hi- What is the current theory on whether it pays to be adding Blu-ray feature films, even when Blu-ray isn't a campus wide standard, or where there are not classrooms dedicated for cinema studies viewing. (Northeastern has at least four Blu-Ray players available for reservation). Also we have no Blu-ray players in the library yet. I'd appreciate hearing about what folks are doing with this conundrum. I am sure there have been conversations about this before, but I wasn't paying attention. Unfortunately Blu-Ray players do not play regular DVDs, a major issue. I'd love to hear from you! Debra Debra H. Mandel, Head, Digital Media Design Studio Northeastern University Libraries 200 Snell Library 360 Huntington Ave. Boston, MA 02115 617.373.4902 tel:617.373.4902 617.373.5409 tel:617.373.5409 fax VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use
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money away on regular DVDs. Debra From: Meghann Matwichuk mtw...@udel.edu mailto:mtw...@udel.edu Reply-To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edu mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 09:10:14 -0400 To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edu mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-ray Despite my lukewarm assessment of HD for feature films in my previous email, I feel like I need to hedge a bit after reading Dennis's email and say, it depends on the screen. On a large screen, yes, the difference is appreciable. However, our viewing carrels are equipped with 18 monitors, at which point there isn't a remarkable difference for most titles. And of course, in a campus environment, the investment needed in terms of players and projection upgrades becomes a bit more complicated. * Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Instructional Media Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/instructionalmedia/ On 5/3/2011 8:59 AM, Dennis Doros wrote: Dear Debra, Just a quick note that regular DVDs do indeed play in Blu-ray players and there are several now that can play all regions of both. And in terms of feature films, there is no comparison in quality. Blu-rays look significantly better. So if you're playing a talking-head documentary on a monitor, that's no big deal. But if you want to project Terence Malick's DAYS OF HEAVEN on to a screen, the investment is fairly small in terms of players and discs relative to the increased experience. Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero Harrington Park, NJ 07640 email: milefi...@gmail.com mailto:milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com http://www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com http://www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com http://www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com http://www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com http://www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com http://www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Austin 2011: www.amianet.org http://www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! Follow Milestone on Twitter! http://twitter.com/#%21/MilestoneFilms On Tue, May 3, 2011 at 8:35 AM, Mandel, Debra d.man...@neu.edu mailto:d.man...@neu.edu wrote: Hi- What is the current theory on whether it pays to be adding Blu-ray feature films, even when Blu-ray isn't a campus wide standard, or where there are not classrooms dedicated for cinema studies viewing. (Northeastern has at least four Blu-Ray players available for reservation). Also we have no Blu-ray players in the library yet. I'd appreciate hearing about what folks are doing with this conundrum. I am sure there have been conversations about this before, but I wasn't paying attention. Unfortunately Blu-Ray players do not play regular DVDs, a major issue. I'd love to hear from you! Debra Debra H. Mandel, Head, Digital Media Design Studio Northeastern University Libraries 200 Snell Library 360 Huntington Ave. Boston, MA 02115 617.373.4902 tel:617.373.4902 617.373.5409 tel:617.373.5409 fax VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well
Re: [Videolib] [videolib] Blu-ray
I agree that the number of older titles on BD will never approach the number on DVD, just as DVD never approached the number of titles released on VHS. But I'm questioning the assertion that BD sales have already gone flat. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting it, but this post (which cites IHS Screen Digest, FutureSource, and the NPD Group) indicates that BD sales are still on an upward trajectory. As for the smaller producers and distributors whose product currently comes on on DVD-R discs, I don't see why they won't transition to BD-R. All of the technology (HD cameras, BD burners and burnable BD-R discs) is out there, at reasonable cost. On a personal note, I'll admit that on a smaller screen, there isn't much of a difference in visual experience between DVD BD. But seeing many of Criterion's BD releases projected at 1080p on an 8' screen absolutely knocked my socks off. Anyone who values the cinematic experience, and doesn't live somewhere where classic 35mm films are publicly shown, needs to see (and hear) BD to believe it. My $0.02... Michael Logan Acquisitions and Technical Services Humboldt County Library (707) 269-1962 Roger Brown wrote: I suspect that blu-ray releases are an attempt to skim the cream off an increasingly smaller purchasing impulse and the back catalog will never see the light of day on this new format. Blu-rays have already gone flat in terms of sales. Formats are disappearing faster and faster. Blu-rays aren't replacing DVDs so much as selling HD monitors and TVs. - - Roger Brown Manager UCLA Instructional Media Collections Services 46 Powell Library Los Angeles, CA 90095-1517 office: 310-206-1248 fax: 310-206-5392 rbr...@oid.ucla.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] [videolib] Blu-ray
Oops, then I go and forget the link: http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=6294 Michael Logan Acquisitions and Technical Services Humboldt County Library (707) 269-1962 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] [videolib] Blu-ray
Hi Michael- I read with interest about BD's rising popularity, but I'm wondering who runs this website and how objective it is, since it sells stuff. You are the first person to make the claim that that BD on a small screen was awesome. What are your 8 monitors? Thanks for turning me on to the BD acronym! Debra From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Logan, Michael [mlo...@co.humboldt.ca.us] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 3:33 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] [videolib] Blu-ray Oops, then I go and forget the link: http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=6294 Michael Logan Acquisitions and Technical Services Humboldt County Library (707) 269-1962 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] [videolib] Blu-ray
Hi Debra, While the website itself is certainly not objective, I believe the market researchers cited (IHS Screen Digest, FutureSource, and the NPD Group) as the market data sources are reputable. And while I confess I have watched the occasional movie on a very small screen, my mind-blowing experience with BD was projected on an 8-FOOT screen, not 8-inches... :-) Cheers, Michael Logan Acquisitions and Technical Services Humboldt County Library (707) 269-1962 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] on behalf of Mandel, Debra [d.man...@neu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 3:02 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] [videolib] Blu-ray Hi Michael- I read with interest about BD's rising popularity, but I'm wondering who runs this website and how objective it is, since it sells stuff. You are the first person to make the claim that that BD on a small screen was awesome. What are your 8 monitors? Thanks for turning me on to the BD acronym! Debra From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Logan, Michael [mlo...@co.humboldt.ca.us] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 3:33 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] [videolib] Blu-ray Oops, then I go and forget the link: http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=6294 Michael Logan Acquisitions and Technical Services Humboldt County Library (707) 269-1962 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] [videolib] Blu-ray
Thanks, Michael. I was going by the weekly sales charts on Digital Digest (link below) that measure packaged media in general, and you're right, blu-ray is growing (as is 3_D and HDTV) but not nearly enough to make up for the fall of DVD sales. BD marketshare is flat relative to users of DVDs and the white elephant in the room, streaming online. My point that I should have made clearer is that Blu-ray isn't replacing DVDs, or winning over more than a percentage of the customers abandoning DVD. http://forum.digital-digest.com/showthread.php?t=86912page=23 There will be a place for blu-rays in the foreseeable future, but no where near the depth we have been enjoying up to now. Cheers, - - Roger Brown Manager UCLA Instructional Media Collections Services 46 Powell Library Los Angeles, CA 90095-1517 office: 310-206-1248 fax: 310-206-5392 rbr...@oid.ucla.edu -- Message: 2 Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 19:31:25 + From: Logan, Michael mlo...@co.humboldt.ca.us Subject: Re: [Videolib] [videolib] Blu-ray To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Message-ID: f25311054dbcd74ebc04409634fb4c510a4d6...@cty-xcn01.all.co.humboldt.ca.us Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii I agree that the number of older titles on BD will never approach the number on DVD, just as DVD never approached the number of titles released on VHS. But I'm questioning the assertion that BD sales have already gone flat. Perhaps I'm misinterpreting it, but this post (which cites IHS Screen Digest, FutureSource, and the NPD Group) indicates that BD sales are still on an upward trajectory. As for the smaller producers and distributors whose product currently comes on on DVD-R discs, I don't see why they won't transition to BD-R. All of the technology (HD cameras, BD burners and burnable BD-R discs) is out there, at reasonable cost. On a personal note, I'll admit that on a smaller screen, there isn't much of a difference in visual experience between DVD BD. But seeing many of Criterion's BD releases projected at 1080p on an 8' screen absolutely knocked my socks off. Anyone who values the cinematic experience, and doesn't live somewhere where classic 35mm films are publicly shown, needs to see (and hear) BD to believe it. My $0.02... Michael Logan Acquisitions and Technical Services Humboldt County Library (707) 269-1962 Roger Brown wrote: I suspect that blu-ray releases are an attempt to skim the cream off an increasingly smaller purchasing impulse and the back catalog will never see the light of day on this new format. Blu-rays have already gone flat in terms of sales. Formats are disappearing faster and faster. Blu-rays aren't replacing DVDs so much as selling HD monitors and TVs. - - Roger Brown Manager UCLA Instructional Media Collections Services 46 Powell Library Los Angeles, CA 90095-1517 office: 310-206-1248 fax: 310-206-5392 rbr...@oid.ucla.edu -- Message: 3 Date: Tue, 3 May 2011 19:33:20 + From: Logan, Michael mlo...@co.humboldt.ca.us Subject: Re: [Videolib] [videolib] Blu-ray To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Message-ID: f25311054dbcd74ebc04409634fb4c510a4d7...@cty-xcn01.all.co.humboldt.ca.us Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Oops, then I go and forget the link: http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=6294 Michael Logan Acquisitions and Technical Services Humboldt County Library (707) 269-1962 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] [videolib] Blu-ray
Hi, My bad, Michael. I guess I saw Spinal Tap too many times. : - ) (I wonder if that's on BD). This day has been one wonderful conversation--I have learned so much from everyone. Have a great nite! Debra From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Logan, Michael [mlo...@co.humboldt.ca.us] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 6:49 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] [videolib] Blu-ray Hi Debra, While the website itself is certainly not objective, I believe the market researchers cited (IHS Screen Digest, FutureSource, and the NPD Group) as the market data sources are reputable. And while I confess I have watched the occasional movie on a very small screen, my mind-blowing experience with BD was projected on an 8-FOOT screen, not 8-inches... :-) Cheers, Michael Logan Acquisitions and Technical Services Humboldt County Library (707) 269-1962 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] on behalf of Mandel, Debra [d.man...@neu.edu] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 3:02 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] [videolib] Blu-ray Hi Michael- I read with interest about BD's rising popularity, but I'm wondering who runs this website and how objective it is, since it sells stuff. You are the first person to make the claim that that BD on a small screen was awesome. What are your 8 monitors? Thanks for turning me on to the BD acronym! Debra From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Logan, Michael [mlo...@co.humboldt.ca.us] Sent: Tuesday, May 03, 2011 3:33 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] [videolib] Blu-ray Oops, then I go and forget the link: http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=6294 Michael Logan Acquisitions and Technical Services Humboldt County Library (707) 269-1962 VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] Blu-ray Continues To Thrive, In Spite Of Streaming Threat
PC World: Blu-ray Continues To Thrive, In Spite Of Streaming Threat http://yhoo.it/hPvjp2 Now that we have five years of data to look back upon, Parsons notes that Blu-ray is doing better than DVD before it ... Blu-ray remains the most satisfying high-definition audio-visual experience in the home. And it will for the foreseeable future. Michael May Adult Services Librarian Carnegie-Stout Public Library 360 West 11th Street Dubuque, IA 52001-4697, USA Phone: 563-589-4225 ext. 2244 Fax: 563-589-4217 Email: m...@dubuque.lib.ia.usmailto:m...@dubuque.lib.ia.us VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries
I agree with Gary that Blu-ray and streaming are solutions to two different issues, one being image and the other being convenience. For my film studies professors I do buy Blu-ray. We've outfitted our four teacing spaces with Blu-ray decks and HD projectors or TVs, and converted 4 of our 32 viewing stations to Blu-ray. I usually only buy Blu-ray if requested, but when I do I also buy a regular version of the title. My non-film-studies professors are more interested in streaming for its ease of access. Alas, most streaming licenses aren't what we're looking for (in perpetuity for a resonable cost) so we don't have that many. Cheers, Matt Matt Ball Media and Collections Librarian University of Virginia Charlottesville, VA 22904 mattb...@virginia.edu | 434-924-3812 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of ghand...@library.berkeley.edu [ghand...@library.berkeley.edu] Sent: Monday, September 27, 2010 2:06 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries Hi all I gotta say it again: I think the notion of skipping over Blu-Ray in favor of streaming is completely and absolutely faulty thinking on any number of scores. First of all: Blu-ray is a format whose major attraction is a high resolution image and high quality sound. It is almost completely unlikely that streamed video will every offer such (unless there's some major consumer electronics tech breakthroughs). Conversely, the primary advantage of streamed video lies in it's ease of access--it's bypassing of physical media. It's not really an either/or proposition. The thing that keeps me up at night has to do with neither Blu-ray, nor streamed media, per se. It has to do with what is VERY likely to get lost in the shift from one format or delivery mode to another. Gary Handman Pamela, I'm with you. I am finishing up a laserdisc CED conversion project, and am in the middle of a VHS conversion project. I'm hoping to hold off on blu-ray as long as I can, and am hoping we can skip right over the format to streaming. That said, if there's a film we want, we'll buy it. In whatever format it comes in. Right now, I'm still buying the occasional VHS tape as needed, and I'm sure we have a handful of blu-rays in the collection as well. As far as equipment, we bought a few PS3s for our gaming collection and put them in our media viewing area in case we need to support blu-ray viewing in-house. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Jana Atkins jatki...@uco.edu wrote: I’m late to this discussion, of course, but I have not been buying Bluray discs, nor do I plan to start buying them. I’m also more interested in waiting until I can move into the streaming arena. However, my school does not have a film studies program. The interest in the titles I purchase are almost solely plot/story-based. Picture and sound quality for DVDs is usually good enough. I’d say the only exception I’d make where I’d say that sound quality is important would be opera and other stage productions. But my experience there is that picture and sound quality often aren’t much of a consideration during production, so moving to a better format isn’t really going to help. Better to provide a more accessible format. And for the record, I completely agree with Gary’s assessment that Blueray = Betamax. And also with Dennis’ that DVD = VHS. And I honestly believe the next step to that argument is streaming = DVD. Jana Atkins, B.M., M.L.S. Performing Arts/Multimedia Librarian University of Central Oklahoma Max Chambers Library 100 N. University Edmond, OK 73034 405-974-2949 *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Pamela Bristah *Sent:* Friday, September 24, 2010 10:19 AM *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu *Subject:* [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries A perennial question, but a good one to revisit to from time to time: Are you purchasing Blu-Ray titles for your library, or are you holding off? (I'm especially interested in hearing from college and university libraries, since we're in the same boat.) If you're purchasing, what criteria do you use? Do you re-purchase titles you have on DVD, or only new titles? Having just about completed switching the collection from VHS to DVD, the thought of moving next to Blu-Ray makes me want to lie down and go to sleep, for about 45 years. And, the cost would be prohibitive. Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if libraries could go straight from DVD to streaming video, at Blu-Ray image quality? For feature films, not just educational and documentary titles? Oh well, a girl can dream. __ Pamela Bristah, Collections Librarian, Wellesley College, 106 Central Street, Wellesley MA 02481 phone 781-283
Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries
I’m late to this discussion, of course, but I have not been buying Bluray discs, nor do I plan to start buying them. I’m also more interested in waiting until I can move into the streaming arena. However, my school does not have a film studies program. The interest in the titles I purchase are almost solely plot/story-based. Picture and sound quality for DVDs is usually good enough. I’d say the only exception I’d make where I’d say that sound quality is important would be opera and other stage productions. But my experience there is that picture and sound quality often aren’t much of a consideration during production, so moving to a better format isn’t really going to help. Better to provide a more accessible format. And for the record, I completely agree with Gary’s assessment that Blueray = Betamax. And also with Dennis’ that DVD = VHS. And I honestly believe the next step to that argument is streaming = DVD. Jana Atkins, B.M., M.L.S. Performing Arts/Multimedia Librarian University of Central Oklahoma Max Chambers Library 100 N. University Edmond, OK 73034 405-974-2949 From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Pamela Bristah Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 10:19 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries A perennial question, but a good one to revisit to from time to time: Are you purchasing Blu-Ray titles for your library, or are you holding off? (I'm especially interested in hearing from college and university libraries, since we're in the same boat.) If you're purchasing, what criteria do you use? Do you re-purchase titles you have on DVD, or only new titles? Having just about completed switching the collection from VHS to DVD, the thought of moving next to Blu-Ray makes me want to lie down and go to sleep, for about 45 years. And, the cost would be prohibitive. Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if libraries could go straight from DVD to streaming video, at Blu-Ray image quality? For feature films, not just educational and documentary titles? Oh well, a girl can dream. __ Pamela Bristah, Collections Librarian, Wellesley College, 106 Central Street, Wellesley MA 02481 phone 781-283-2076, fax 781-283-2869, pbris...@wellesley.edumailto:pbris...@wellesley.edu **Bronze+Blue=Green** The University of Central Oklahoma is Bronze, Blue, and Green! Please print this e-mail only if absolutely necessary! **CONFIDENTIALITY** This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information. Any unauthorized disclosure or use of this information is prohibited. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries
Pamela, I'm with you. I am finishing up a laserdisc CED conversion project, and am in the middle of a VHS conversion project. I'm hoping to hold off on blu-ray as long as I can, and am hoping we can skip right over the format to streaming. That said, if there's a film we want, we'll buy it. In whatever format it comes in. Right now, I'm still buying the occasional VHS tape as needed, and I'm sure we have a handful of blu-rays in the collection as well. As far as equipment, we bought a few PS3s for our gaming collection and put them in our media viewing area in case we need to support blu-ray viewing in-house. On Mon, Sep 27, 2010 at 9:17 AM, Jana Atkins jatki...@uco.edu wrote: I’m late to this discussion, of course, but I have not been buying Bluray discs, nor do I plan to start buying them. I’m also more interested in waiting until I can move into the streaming arena. However, my school does not have a film studies program. The interest in the titles I purchase are almost solely plot/story-based. Picture and sound quality for DVDs is usually good enough. I’d say the only exception I’d make where I’d say that sound quality is important would be opera and other stage productions. But my experience there is that picture and sound quality often aren’t much of a consideration during production, so moving to a better format isn’t really going to help. Better to provide a more accessible format. And for the record, I completely agree with Gary’s assessment that Blueray = Betamax. And also with Dennis’ that DVD = VHS. And I honestly believe the next step to that argument is streaming = DVD. Jana Atkins, B.M., M.L.S. Performing Arts/Multimedia Librarian University of Central Oklahoma Max Chambers Library 100 N. University Edmond, OK 73034 405-974-2949 *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Pamela Bristah *Sent:* Friday, September 24, 2010 10:19 AM *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu *Subject:* [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries A perennial question, but a good one to revisit to from time to time: Are you purchasing Blu-Ray titles for your library, or are you holding off? (I'm especially interested in hearing from college and university libraries, since we're in the same boat.) If you're purchasing, what criteria do you use? Do you re-purchase titles you have on DVD, or only new titles? Having just about completed switching the collection from VHS to DVD, the thought of moving next to Blu-Ray makes me want to lie down and go to sleep, for about 45 years. And, the cost would be prohibitive. Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if libraries could go straight from DVD to streaming video, at Blu-Ray image quality? For feature films, not just educational and documentary titles? Oh well, a girl can dream. __ Pamela Bristah, Collections Librarian, Wellesley College, 106 Central Street, Wellesley MA 02481 phone 781-283-2076, fax 781-283-2869, pbris...@wellesley.edu ***Bronze+Blue=Green*** The University of Central Oklahoma is Bronze, Blue, and Green! Please print this e-mail only if absolutely necessary! ***CONFIDENTIALITY*** -This e-mail (including any attachments) may contain confidential, proprietary and privileged information. Any unauthorized disclosure or use of this information is prohibited. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Rudy Leon Learning Commons Librarian Undergraduate Library University of Illinois Urbana-Champaign (217) 333-3503 http://www.deepening.wordpress.com AIM: rudibrarian VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
[Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries
A perennial question, but a good one to revisit to from time to time: Are you purchasing Blu-Ray titles for your library, or are you holding off? (I'm especially interested in hearing from college and university libraries, since we're in the same boat.) If you're purchasing, what criteria do you use? Do you re-purchase titles you have on DVD, or only new titles? Having just about completed switching the collection from VHS to DVD, the thought of moving next to Blu-Ray makes me want to lie down and go to sleep, for about 45 years. And, the cost would be prohibitive. Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if libraries could go straight from DVD to streaming video, at Blu-Ray image quality? For feature films, not just educational and documentary titles? Oh well, a girl can dream. __ Pamela Bristah, Collections Librarian, Wellesley College, 106 Central Street, Wellesley MA 02481 phone 781-283-2076, fax 781-283-2869, pbris...@wellesley.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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Not to piss Gary or anyone off, but as I've mentioned before, DVD sales are way down and the journalists are much more interested in covering bluray. Add to that my films usually start with $10,000 to $50, film transfers done at 2K, that our reputation is based on quality, that I tend to move into a technology when the player drops below a $100, *and* that Netflix really wants streaming more than DVDs, the decision is pretty clear for our company. (Probably not for educational films.) I'm really considering releasing Bluray only and having DVD-Rs for those who want otherwise. We are definitely at the crossroads! -- Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035 email: milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Philadelphia 2010: www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries
Check back with me in five years, Dennis... Bluray = BetaMax gary Not to piss Gary or anyone off, but as I've mentioned before, DVD sales are way down and the journalists are much more interested in covering bluray. Add to that my films usually start with $10,000 to $50, film transfers done at 2K, that our reputation is based on quality, that I tend to move into a technology when the player drops below a $100, *and* that Netflix really wants streaming more than DVDs, the decision is pretty clear for our company. (Probably not for educational films.) I'm really considering releasing Bluray only and having DVD-Rs for those who want otherwise. We are definitely at the crossroads! -- Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035 email: milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Philadelphia 2010: www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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We are purchasing Blu-rays here at the University of Michigan Ann Arbor, and my approach to selection is in line with Meghann’s; film studies kinds of films, stuff like Planet earth, and a few like Avatar that I know patrons will want. Blu-ray circulation is surprisingly strong. We have one HD monitor/blu-ray player set up in our viewing area. Jeff From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Meghann Matwichuk Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 12:01 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries We at the Univ. of DE Library are purchasing BluRays. We only have about a dozen on shelf right now, but our two biggest circulating titles are Avatar and the Planet Earth series. I do not purchase titles on BluRay unless we have a standard-definition copy already in the collection -- there are two few of our users who have the players, and they are not supported in the classroom. I personally see it more as a novelty than a serious shift in collection priorities, however I'm starting to think that some titles will soon be purchasable only in combination (standard packaged with BluRay). I ran across a yet-to-be-released PBS title not too long ago that appeared be coming only in such a package. This will create a headache for us -- How to catalog -- split them up? Keep in original packaging and they end up with BluRays -- we encourage folks to check there for standard copies as well? Headaches aplenty. I try to purchase titles that best show off the technology, e.g. those that were filmed in high-def or have been subjected to high-quality high-def 'restoration'. The recent BBC nature titles are incredible on BluRay, as are the restored Kubrick films and some others. Animated films also benefit especially from high-def presentation, so we have a number of Pixar films on BluRay. DVD Beaver is a good source for determining the quality of BluRay releases. A few notes: * Just as some VHS titles look better on VHS than they do on DVD, some standard definition DVDs look better than BluRay. Case in point: North by Northwest. The standard (restored) version has better contrast and gives a much more pleasurable viewing experience than the BluRay, which is pretty flat / dark (albeit perhaps truer to the film) in comparison. At least IMHO. * We have several LG BluRay players and they can be somewhat fussy when playing discs. After investigation (and my own personal experience), I feel confident in saying that the best BluRay player currently available is the Sony PlayStation 3 console. Even if it's not being used for gaming at all, it's a great player. More consistent, can handle heavy use, well-designed interface. * They can be more time-intensive to catalog, thanks to menu complications and some poor design. Disney especially. Best, * Meghann Matwichuk, M.S. Associate Librarian Instructional Media Collection Department Morris Library, University of Delaware 181 S. College Ave. Newark, DE 19717 (302) 831-1475 http://www.lib.udel.edu/ud/instructionalmedia/ On 9/24/2010 11:18 AM, Pamela Bristah wrote: A perennial question, but a good one to revisit to from time to time: Are you purchasing Blu-Ray titles for your library, or are you holding off? (I'm especially interested in hearing from college and university libraries, since we're in the same boat.) If you're purchasing, what criteria do you use? Do you re-purchase titles you have on DVD, or only new titles? Having just about completed switching the collection from VHS to DVD, the thought of moving next to Blu-Ray makes me want to lie down and go to sleep, for about 45 years. And, the cost would be prohibitive. Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if libraries could go straight from DVD to streaming video, at Blu-Ray image quality? For feature films, not just educational and documentary titles? Oh well, a girl can dream. __ Pamela Bristah, Collections Librarian, Wellesley College, 106 Central Street, Wellesley MA 02481 phone 781-283-2076, fax 781-283-2869, pbris...@wellesley.edumailto:pbris...@wellesley.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working
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Gary, Agreed. Not really an argument. But DVD = VHS. DD On Fri, Sep 24, 2010 at 12:49 PM, ghand...@library.berkeley.edu wrote: Check back with me in five years, Dennis... Bluray = BetaMax gary Not to piss Gary or anyone off, but as I've mentioned before, DVD sales are way down and the journalists are much more interested in covering bluray. Add to that my films usually start with $10,000 to $50, film transfers done at 2K, that our reputation is based on quality, that I tend to move into a technology when the player drops below a $100, *and* that Netflix really wants streaming more than DVDs, the decision is pretty clear for our company. (Probably not for educational films.) I'm really considering releasing Bluray only and having DVD-Rs for those who want otherwise. We are definitely at the crossroads! -- Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035 email: milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Philadelphia 2010: www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I have always preferred the reflection of life to life itself. --Francois Truffaut VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. -- Best, Dennis Doros Milestone Film Video/Milliarium Zero PO Box 128 Harrington Park, NJ 07640 Phone: 201-767-3117 Fax: 201-767-3035 email: milefi...@gmail.com www.milestonefilms.com www.ontheboweryfilm.com www.arayafilm.com www.exilesfilm.com www.wordisoutmovie.com www.killerofsheep.com AMIA Philadelphia 2010: www.amianet.org Join Milestone Film on Facebook! VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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Gary, I agree with your assessment of the streaming vs. Blu-ray argument, particularly when it has to do with the question of non-commercial vs. academic use. If the user is simply concerned with content access, streaming will do, but areas like Film Studies are usually concerned with the quality of the image and sound. If I was not supporting Film Studies I would also be questioning the never ending process of repurchasing titles. The Concordia University situation is that we are now getting 2k projectors for the auditoria where Film Studies are taught. We also enthusiastically support 35mm films. Film Studies courses have almost always been taught with a licensed projectionist in a projection booth setting up clips, projecting films and digital media. I have been buying Blu-rays for 3 years now and we have somewhere over 200 titles. My Dean managed to argue for some badly needed capital funds and I have been able to equip my 3 seminar rooms with 65 THX 1080p monitors and all-region Blu-ray players. I'm also in the process of changing the individual viewing stations to make them less institutional and more semi-private with 32 1080p monitors and all-region Blu-ray players. But all this is simply because we have an academic area that requires this and I have been able to successfully lobby for the money (and miraculously there was some money). The result has been very interesting: students are really responding and actually spending a lot of time watching movies here compared to when we had 17 monitors and DVD players. This is the beginning of the semester and it looks like the end of the semester in terms of student traffic. And as for differences in DVD vs. Blu-ray, on some films, if you have an upconverting DVD player the differences are almost indistinguishable. But, on other films, like Kino's The General, the difference is completely mind boggling. Doing a side-by-side comparison of the DVD and the Blu-ray is like watching a VHS transfer next to a 35mm print. In this particular case, I'm not exagerating. It's all a matter of budget first, and supporting client's real needs. Oksana At 11:50 AM 24/09/2010, you wrote: ...oh, buy the way: in thinking about the next evolutionary hop in mediadom, I think it's important to avoid conflating issues having to do with media delivery and ease of access (streaming)with image quality. Let's face it, unless there's a some spectacular quantum technological leap, moving images delivered over networks are always going to be inferior to what can be delivered/projected locally...at least in non-commercial contexts). In other words, the I'm not buying Blu-ray, I'm waiting for streamed delivery is sort of a misguided argument. gary Blu-What? Look...what exactly is the point? Does the university intend to install Blu-ray machines (or HD projectors) in classrooms? Hell, they can barely get it together to put in shades on the windows. Is the media center going to install 42 HD monitors at individual or group viewing stations??? I don't THINK so... Not to mention: In the past three years, I've spent maybe 10 to 15 grand on replacing VHS titles with garden-variety DVDs...no way I can justify rebuying the collection again for the sake of sweeter eye-candy. gary handman A perennial question, but a good one to revisit to from time to time: Are you purchasing Blu-Ray titles for your library, or are you holding off? (I'm especially interested in hearing from college and university libraries, since we're in the same boat.) If you're purchasing, what criteria do you use? Do you re-purchase titles you have on DVD, or only new titles? Having just about completed switching the collection from VHS to DVD, the thought of moving next to Blu-Ray makes me want to lie down and go to sleep, for about 45 years. And, the cost would be prohibitive. Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if libraries could go straight from DVD to streaming video, at Blu-Ray image quality? For feature films, not just educational and documentary titles? Oh well, a girl can dream. __ Pamela Bristah, Collections Librarian, Wellesley College, 106 Central Street, Wellesley MA 02481 phone 781-283-2076, fax 781-283-2869, pbris...@wellesley.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. Gary Handman Director Media Resources Center Moffitt Library UC Berkeley 510-643-8566 ghand...@library.berkeley.edu http://www.lib.berkeley.edu/MRC I
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I've been buying Blu-rays for my medium-sized public library for almost two years, and they circulate well. We have one Blu-ray viewing station, too. Rather than replacing DVDs, the Blu-rays compliment or supplement our DVDs. Generally I buy Blu-rays when we have 15 or more patron requests for titles on DVD, usually the newest box-office hits, about 5 to 10 Blu-rays per month. If I had more money, I'd buy older, better reviewed releases on Blu-ray, but patron demand and title availability for DVDs far outweigh Blu-rays. Mike Michael May Adult Services Librarian Carnegie-Stout Public Library 360 West 11th Street Dubuque, IA 52001-4697, USA Phone: 563-589-4225 ext. 2244 Fax: 563-589-4217 Email: m...@dubuque.lib.ia.us From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Pamela Bristah [pbris...@wellesley.edu] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 10:18 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries A perennial question, but a good one to revisit to from time to time: Are you purchasing Blu-Ray titles for your library, or are you holding off? (I'm especially interested in hearing from college and university libraries, since we're in the same boat.) If you're purchasing, what criteria do you use? Do you re-purchase titles you have on DVD, or only new titles? Having just about completed switching the collection from VHS to DVD, the thought of moving next to Blu-Ray makes me want to lie down and go to sleep, for about 45 years. And, the cost would be prohibitive. Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if libraries could go straight from DVD to streaming video, at Blu-Ray image quality? For feature films, not just educational and documentary titles? Oh well, a girl can dream. __ Pamela Bristah, Collections Librarian, Wellesley College, 106 Central Street, Wellesley MA 02481 phone 781-283-2076, fax 781-283-2869, pbris...@wellesley.edumailto:pbris...@wellesley.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
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Dennis, as much as I like DVDs, I can easily see why you (Milestone) might choose to go Blu-ray only with DVD-Rs created on demand. The decline in the DVD market is very real. The major studios staved off the stagnation in the DVD market temporarily by flooding the market with TV series on DVD, but that only lasted for so long. As people have noted in earlier threads, the major studios--Warner first and now MGM/US, Universal and Sony are starting to sell DVD-Rs on demand of classic titles that only a couple years ago would have made the cut for a standard DVD release. This is bad for libraries since DVD-Rs are not a stable medium, but I don't know what can be done about that because we're not the primary market for home video titles. At least in Warner's case they're making a lot of wonderful, rare stuff available now. Emory is collecting mostly the same kind Blu-ray titles as Jeff at Ann Arbor and Meghann at U of Delaware, not a large number. We have a Blu-ray player and Pioneer plasma display in the library's Group Viewing Room, and a couple Blu-ray players and HD LCD screens in viewing carrels. (They also play standard DVDs, of course, so they get used either way.) One newly constructed classroom building has high-definition projectors and Blu-ray players installed, but as far as I know the rest of the main campus is still standard-def and standard DVD only. I don't think that having to re-buy at least *some* video titles in a new format or upgraded version is a bad thing at all. I am quite happy to buy both the restored Criterion DVD and Blu-ray of Antonioni's THE RED DESERT when we already have the sad old Image DVD with faded color. People study that film precisely for its use of color, so I consider the upgrade money well spent. Yes it costs money, but it's far less than a lot of other things libraries spend their money on, such as public performance rights for a one-time public screening or copyright clearance fees for a single course reserves reading assignment that exceeds fair use. --James -- James M. Steffen, PhD Film and Media Studies Librarian Theater, Dance, ILA/IDS and LGBT Subject Liaison Marian K. Heilbrun Music and Media Library Emory University 540 Asbury Circle Atlanta, GA 30322-2870 Phone: (404) 727-8107 FAX: (404) 727-2257 Email: jste...@emory.edu Web: www.jamesmsteffen.net -- Message: 3 Date: Fri, 24 Sep 2010 12:49:35 -0400 From: Pearson, Jeffrey jwpea...@umich.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Message-ID: 3eaaba89d046bd49b271131fdf18e85c06dc905...@itcs-ecls-1-vs3.adsroot.itcs.umich.edu Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8 We are purchasing Blu-rays here at the University of Michigan Ann Arbor, and my approach to selection is in line with Meghann?s; film studies kinds of films, stuff like Planet earth, and a few like Avatar that I know patrons will want. Blu-ray circulation is surprisingly strong. We have one HD monitor/blu-ray player set up in our viewing area. Jeff From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Meghann Matwichuk Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 12:01 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries We at the Univ. of DE Library are purchasing BluRays. We only have about a dozen on shelf right now, but our two biggest circulating titles are Avatar and the Planet Earth series. I do not purchase titles on BluRay unless we have a standard-definition copy already in the collection -- there are two few of our users who have the players, and they are not supported in the classroom. I personally see it more as a novelty than a serious shift in collection priorities, however I'm starting to think that some titles will soon be purchasable only in combination (standard packaged with BluRay). I ran across a yet-to-be-released PBS title not too long ago that appeared be coming only in such a package. This will create a headache for us -- How to catalog -- split them up? Keep in original packaging and they end up with BluRays -- we encourage folks to check there for standard copies as well? Headaches aplenty. I try to purchase titles that best show off the technology, e.g. those that were filmed in high-def or have been subjected to high-quality high-def 'restoration'. The recent BBC nature titles are incredible on BluRay, as are the restored Kubrick films and some others. Animated films also benefit especially from high-def presentation, so we have a number of Pixar films on BluRay. DVD Beaver is a good source for determining the quality of BluRay releases. A few notes: * Just as some VHS titles look better on VHS than they do on DVD, some standard definition DVDs look better than BluRay. Case in point: North by Northwest. The standard (restored) version has better contrast and gives a much more
Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries
I bought 51 Blu-rays back in March, in part because I'd gotten several requests to purchase some, in part because I wanted to conduct a small trial. Part of the way I justified trying out Blu-ray was that I bought also bought regular DVDs of anything that I bought in Blu-ray. So if a student said, No fair, I don't have Blu-ray, we could say, We have the film in regular DVD format. Though our Blu-rays circulate, they don't circulate extremely well and the circs don't appear to be growing. One Avatar, for example, circulated 21 times in regular DVD format. So far, it's circulated 5 times in Blu-ray. For some of the older films, the circs are a bit more even: Raging Bull, in Blu-ray, has circulated twice since March. In regular format, it has circulated four times. On the flip side, I have gotten some anecdotal feedback from students who think it's cool to offer Blu-ray, and we've ILL'd more of the Blu-ray than we have the DVD counterpart. Like many, I think the data show that access often trumps quality. I don't really feel sorry about getting Blu-ray though, because it's not really an access versus quality paradigm. To me, it's a now versus --maybe if we're lucky-- ten years from now paradigm. Of course any library that could (legally) purchase Avatar online and offer it to its patrons, would do so. But why do we keep comparing something like Oliver Stone's Malcolm X with an online PBS Malcolm X? So, Blu-ray may not be about fulfilling the best option, as much as it is about listening to patron input, and determining if it can serve as a small part of the option. I think that each library needs to think about Blu-ray on its own terms. Mary. Mary Hanlin Media Collection Development Librarian Tidewater Community College P: 757.822.2133 F: 757.822.2149 mhan...@tcc.edu -Original Message- From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Michael May Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 1:06 PM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: Re: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries I've been buying Blu-rays for my medium-sized public library for almost two years, and they circulate well. We have one Blu-ray viewing station, too. Rather than replacing DVDs, the Blu-rays compliment or supplement our DVDs. Generally I buy Blu-rays when we have 15 or more patron requests for titles on DVD, usually the newest box-office hits, about 5 to 10 Blu-rays per month. If I had more money, I'd buy older, better reviewed releases on Blu-ray, but patron demand and title availability for DVDs far outweigh Blu-rays. Mike Michael May Adult Services Librarian Carnegie-Stout Public Library 360 West 11th Street Dubuque, IA 52001-4697, USA Phone: 563-589-4225 ext. 2244 Fax: 563-589-4217 Email: m...@dubuque.lib.ia.us From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Pamela Bristah [pbris...@wellesley.edu] Sent: Friday, September 24, 2010 10:18 AM To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu Subject: [Videolib] Blu-Ray in libraries A perennial question, but a good one to revisit to from time to time: Are you purchasing Blu-Ray titles for your library, or are you holding off? (I'm especially interested in hearing from college and university libraries, since we're in the same boat.) If you're purchasing, what criteria do you use? Do you re-purchase titles you have on DVD, or only new titles? Having just about completed switching the collection from VHS to DVD, the thought of moving next to Blu-Ray makes me want to lie down and go to sleep, for about 45 years. And, the cost would be prohibitive. Wouldn't it be a wonderful thing if libraries could go straight from DVD to streaming video, at Blu-Ray image quality? For feature films, not just educational and documentary titles? Oh well, a girl can dream. __ Pamela Bristah, Collections Librarian, Wellesley College, 106 Central Street, Wellesley MA 02481 phone 781-283-2076, fax 781-283-2869, pbris...@wellesley.edumailto:pbris...@wellesley.edu VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors. CONFIDENTIALITY NOTICE: This email message, including any attachments, is for the sole use of the intended recipient(s) and may contain confidential and privileged information or otherwise be protected by law. Any access, use, disclosure or distribution of this email message by anyone other than the intended recipient(s) is unauthorized and prohibited. If you are not an intended recipient (or an agent
