[Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights

[Jessica Rosner]

I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would
like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but
mostly documentaries
and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights, but
some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about six
years.  I should mention some of these films are institutional only and sell
for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for around
$30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of these are
films that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices seem to be
all over the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra (beyond
the current sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for
multi-disc sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime
rights, but even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have
to be at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for
less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such as
going on password protected system and accessible only to students or
faculty using them for a specific course.

Besides pricing the other big issue is the "access" issue. These filmmakers
do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they would be
selling a physical DVD for which the institution could digitize and put on
its own system.

I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of you
are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films.

You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details etc.
email is jessicapros...@gmail.com

-- 
Jessica Rosner
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

[Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights

[Jessica Rosner]

I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would
like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but
mostly documentaries
and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights, but
some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about six
years.  I should mention some of these films are institutional only and sell
for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for around
$30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of these are
films that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices seem to be
all over the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra (beyond
the current sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for
multi-disc sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime
rights, but even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have
to be at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for
less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such as
going on password protected system and accessible only to students or
faculty using them for a specific course.

Besides pricing the other big issue is the "access" issue. These filmmakers
do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they would be
selling a physical DVD for which the institution could digitize and put on
its own system.

I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of you
are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films.

You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details etc.
email is jessicapros...@gmail.com
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights

[Jeanne Little]

  
  
Jessica,

Would there be a different price for a library who already owns the
dvd and wants to purchase streaming rights?

Also, I have to put this out there: our library does not consider
streaming rights (or at least very rarely) for less than in
perpetuity, not only due to the additional costs involved for
renewing after a specific term of use is done, but also because we
do not have any mechanisms in place to automatically alert us to the
fact a term is expiring. If a professor needed a title streamed for
a one-time use, we would expect to purchase this at a much reduced
cost. We can provide server space, but our IT department may charge
us for the work done to convert it, so this is an additional cost
for us to stream. A password-protected environment is used when
required.

Thanks for asking for input.

Jeanne Little

Rod Library
University of Northern Iowa

On 1/19/2011 11:41 AM, Jessica Rosner wrote:

  I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors
  who
  would like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an
  eclectic
  group but mostly documentaries
  and classic films. Most, but not all
  can sell lifetime streaming rights, but some can only sell for
  their
  own contract term which is probably about six years.  I should
  mention
  some of these films are institutional only and sell for a few
  hundred
  dollars each and others are available retail for around $30. In
  most
  cases PPR rights would also be included and many of these are
  films
  that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices seem to
  be all
  over the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra
  (beyond
  the current sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for
  multi-disc sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have
  lifetime
  rights, but even those for which the term would only be 6 years
  would
  have to be at the same price point. It would be possible to
  license a
  film for less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions
  would
  apply such as going on password protected system and accessible
  only to
  students or faculty using them for a specific course.
  
  Besides pricing the other big issue is the "access" issue. These
  filmmakers do not have the money or time to set up their own
  servers so
  they would be selling a physical DVD for which the institution
  could
  digitize and put on its own system.
  
  I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many
  of you are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom
  films.
  
  You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more
  details etc.
  email is jessicapros...@gmail.com
  
  -- 
  Jessica Rosner
  
  

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relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights

[Brewer, Michael]

Jessica,

It is great that this is being done.  My only concern is that setting this up 
only as a sort of remedy for TEACH is going to be overly restrictive for 
learning and, especially, scholarship.  In this model, students that want to 
view a film that has not been identified by the instructor (but which they are 
using for a paper or some other assignment) will not have access.  I would 
recommend that you make the films available through license to any enrolled 
student, not just to those where an instructor has identified films and linked 
them in the CMS ahead of time. In this model instructors or researchers would 
also have access, even if they are not using the film in a course (but are 
developing a course or are doing independent research and scholarship).

mb

Michael Brewer
Team Leader for Instructional Services
University of Arizona Libraries
brew...@u.library.arizona.edu<mailto:brew...@u.library.arizona.edu>

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 10:42 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights


I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would like 
to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but mostly 
documentaries
and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights, but 
some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about six 
years.  I should mention some of these films are institutional only and sell 
for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for around $30. 
In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of these are films 
that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices seem to be all over 
the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra (beyond the current 
sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for multi-disc sets. As 
mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime rights, but even those for 
which the term would only be 6 years would have to be at the same price point. 
It would be possible to license a film for less for one time/semester use. 
Standard restrictions would apply such as going on password protected system 
and accessible only to students or faculty using them for a specific course.

Besides pricing the other big issue is the "access" issue. These filmmakers do 
not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they would be selling 
a physical DVD for which the institution could digitize and put on its own 
system.

I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of you are 
now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films.

You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details etc.
email is jessicapros...@gmail.com<mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com>

--
Jessica Rosner
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights

[Jessica Rosner]

If they already own the film they would only need to pay the additional fee
for streaming.

I understand libraries want rights in perpetuity and I am sure most
companies would love to offer them, but as a practical legal matter it is
difficult. As mentioned the films I will work with involve some where the
deal is from the actual director who owns all rights, but this is somewhat
rare. Another group involves mostly classics through archive restorations in
those also can usually be gotten in perpetuity, but standard feature films
would be nearly impossible to get lifetime rights on.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:08 PM, Jeanne Little wrote:

>  Jessica,
>
> Would there be a different price for a library who already owns the dvd and
> wants to purchase streaming rights?
>
> Also, I have to put this out there: our library does not consider streaming
> rights (or at least very rarely) for less than in perpetuity, not only due
> to the additional costs involved for renewing after a specific term of use
> is done, but also because we do not have any mechanisms in place to
> automatically alert us to the fact a term is expiring. If a professor needed
> a title streamed for a one-time use, we would expect to purchase this at a
> much reduced cost. We can provide server space, but our IT department may
> charge us for the work done to convert it, so this is an additional cost for
> us to stream. A password-protected environment is used when required.
>
> Thanks for asking for input.
>
> Jeanne Little
>
> Rod Library
> University of Northern Iowa
>
>
> On 1/19/2011 11:41 AM, Jessica Rosner wrote:
>
>
> I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would
> like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but
> mostly documentaries
> and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights,
> but some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about
> six years.  I should mention some of these films are institutional only and
> sell for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for
> around $30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of
> these are films that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices
> seem to be all over the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra
> (beyond the current sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for
> multi-disc sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime
> rights, but even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have
> to be at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for
> less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such as
> going on password protected system and accessible only to students or
> faculty using them for a specific course.
>
> Besides pricing the other big issue is the "access" issue. These filmmakers
> do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they would be
> selling a physical DVD for which the institution could digitize and put on
> its own system.
>
> I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of you
> are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films.
>
> You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details etc.
> email is jessicapros...@gmail.com
>
> --
> Jessica Rosner
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
> distributors.
>
>
> --
> "The University of Northern Iowa provides transformative learning experiences 
> that inspire students to embrace challenge, engage in critical inquiry and 
> creative thought, and contribute to society."
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>


-- 
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel o

Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights

[Jessica Rosner]

I think it could be made more flexible, but rights holders don't want it to
be a free for all where the film can just be watched at anytime for any
reason. I mean they might be willing to do that, but they would want more
money. I think the people I work with would agree to something like
librarian discretion in which a student could request access for a
particular reason, but they would not want the films available to the entire
campus  at all times without more money.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Brewer, Michael <
brew...@u.library.arizona.edu> wrote:

>  Jessica,
>
>
>
> It is great that this is being done.  My only concern is that setting this
> up only as a sort of remedy for TEACH is going to be overly restrictive for
> learning and, especially, scholarship.  In this model, students that want to
> view a film that has not been identified by the instructor (but which they
> are using for a paper or some other assignment) will not have access.  I
> would recommend that you make the films available through license to any
> enrolled student, not just to those where an instructor has identified films
> and linked them in the CMS ahead of time. In this model instructors or
> researchers would also have access, even if they are not using the film in a
> course (but are developing a course or are doing independent research and
> scholarship).
>
>
>
> mb
>
>
>
> Michael Brewer
>
> Team Leader for Instructional Services
>
> University of Arizona Libraries
>
> brew...@u.library.arizona.edu
>
>
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 19, 2011 10:42 AM
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming
> rights
>
>
>
>
> I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would
> like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but
> mostly documentaries
> and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights,
> but some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about
> six years.  I should mention some of these films are institutional only and
> sell for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for
> around $30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of
> these are films that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices
> seem to be all over the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra
> (beyond the current sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for
> multi-disc sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime
> rights, but even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have
> to be at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for
> less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such as
> going on password protected system and accessible only to students or
> faculty using them for a specific course.
>
> Besides pricing the other big issue is the "access" issue. These filmmakers
> do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they would be
> selling a physical DVD for which the institution could digitize and put on
> its own system.
>
> I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of you
> are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films.
>
> You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details etc.
> email is jessicapros...@gmail.com
>
> --
> Jessica Rosner
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>


-- 
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights

[Marilyn Nasserden]

We have similar issues as stated by the previous responders.

We normally only acquire online products that are available to the 
entire university community - not just a particular class.  We believe 
in equal access to all and we can't anticipate who will find a resource 
useful for the teaching, learning or research.  This also saves us time 
and makes it easier for staff and library users to understand the terms 
of our resources - as they all tend to have similar educational use 
rights with no commercial uses and it means we can use the same 
authentication system for all.


We prefer in perpetuity rights for items that we need to host and 
catalogue - as it costs us to do both of these and tracking rights is 
time consuming - as is deleting e-content when rights expire.  We do 
track a handful of limited term rights for DVDs but would prefer not to 
have to do even this with our staffing levels.


We do subscribe to online databases of videos hosted by others - so we 
don't need resources to catalogue (although may add MARC records to our 
library catalogue if provided).  The advantage to a hosted online video 
database is that the vendor or distributor has control over the contents 
and can add or delete titles as rights are acquired or expire - and 
every other single library doesn't need to duplicate this work.  And the 
Library has a set subscription price renewed annually that it can budget 
for.  We also prefer subscribing to a database with a large number of 
titles rather than ordering these individually although some selection 
by subject area or academic level can be desireable.


Hope this helps.
Marilyn

--
Marilyn Nasserden
Head, Visual&  Performing Arts
Libraries and Cultural Resources
25 MacKimmie Library Block
University of Calgary
2500 University Drive NW
Calgary, Alberta, CANADA

marilyn.nasser...@ucalgary.ca
Phone: (403) 220-3795


On 1/19/2011 11:13 AM, Brewer, Michael wrote:


Jessica,

It is great that this is being done.  My only concern is that setting 
this up only as a sort of remedy for TEACH is going to be overly 
restrictive for learning and, especially, scholarship.  In this model, 
students that want to view a film that has not been identified by the 
instructor (but which they are using for a paper or some other 
assignment) will not have access.  I would recommend that you make the 
films available through license to any enrolled student, not just to 
those where an instructor has identified films and linked them in the 
CMS ahead of time. In this model instructors or researchers would also 
have access, even if they are not using the film in a course (but are 
developing a course or are doing independent research and scholarship).


mb

Michael Brewer

Team Leader for Instructional Services

Universityof ArizonaLibraries

brew...@u.library.arizona.edu <mailto:brew...@u.library.arizona.edu>

*From:*videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner

*Sent:* Wednesday, January 19, 2011 10:42 AM
*To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
*Subject:* [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for 
streaming rights



I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who 
would like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic 
group but mostly documentaries
and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming 
rights, but some can only sell for their own contract term which is 
probably about six years.  I should mention some of these films are 
institutional only and sell for a few hundred dollars each and others 
are available retail for around $30. In most cases PPR rights would 
also be included and many of these are films that actually get 
screened on campuses. Streaming prices seem to be all over the map 
these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra (beyond the current 
sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for multi-disc 
sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime rights, but 
even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have to be 
at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for 
less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such 
as going on password protected system and accessible only to students 
or faculty using them for a specific course.


Besides pricing the other big issue is the "access" issue. These 
filmmakers do not have the money or time to set up their own servers 
so they would be selling a physical DVD for which the institution 
could digitize and put on its own system.


I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of 
you are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films.


You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details etc.
email is jessicapros...@gmail.com <mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com>

--
Jessica Rosner


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and

Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights

[Bonnie Brown]

Hi Rod and Jessica,

We also rarely consider streaming rights for less than in perpetuity for the 
same reasons. But am interested in a response regarding films already purchased 
without streaming rights as well.

-Bonnie Brown
Avery Fisher Center
E.H. Bobst Library
New York University

- Original Message -
From: Jeanne Little 
Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 1:15 pm
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu


> Jessica,
>  
>  Would there be a different price for a library who already owns the 
> dvd and wants to purchase streaming rights?
>  
>  Also, I have to put this out there: our library does not consider 
> streaming rights (or at least very rarely) for less than in 
> perpetuity, not only due to the additional costs involved for renewing 
> after a specific term of use is done, but also because we do not have 
> any mechanisms in place to automatically alert us to the fact a term 
> is expiring. If a professor needed a title streamed for a one-time 
> use, we would expect to purchase this at a much reduced cost. We can 
> provide server space, but our IT department may charge us for the work 
> done to convert it, so this is an additional cost for us to stream. A 
> password-protected environment is used when required.
>  
>  Thanks for asking for input.
>  
>  Jeanne Little
>  
>  Rod Library
>  University of Northern Iowa
>  
>  On 1/19/2011 11:41 AM, Jessica Rosner wrote: 
>  
>  I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who 
> would like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic 
> group but mostly documentaries
>  and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming 
> rights, but some can only sell for their own contract term which is 
> probably about six years.  I should mention some of these films are 
> institutional only and sell for a few hundred dollars each and others 
> are available retail for around $30. In most cases PPR rights would 
> also be included and many of these are films that actually get 
> screened on campuses. Streaming prices seem to be all over the map 
> these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra (beyond the current 
> sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for multi-disc 
> sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime rights, but 
> even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have to be 
> at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for 
> less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such 
> as going on password protected system and accessible only to students 
> or faculty using them for a specific course.
>  
>  Besides pricing the other big issue is the "access" issue. These 
> filmmakers do not have the money or time to set up their own servers 
> so they would be selling a physical DVD for which the institution 
> could digitize and put on its own system.
>  
>  I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of 
> you are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films.
>  
>  You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details 
> etc.
>  email is jessicapros...@gmail.com
>  
>  -- 
>  Jessica Rosner
>  
>  
>  
>  VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of 
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, 
> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current 
> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It 
> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for 
> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between 
> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
>  
>  
>  
>  -- 
>  "The University of Northern Iowa provides transformative learning 
> experiences that inspire students to embrace challenge, engage in 
> critical inquiry and creative thought, and contribute to society."
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of 
> issues relating to the selection, evaluation, 
> acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current 
> and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It 
> is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for 
> video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between 
> libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
>  

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights

[Jessica Rosner]

Per above I have no problem taking the original purchase price out, so that
a library could simply purchase the streaming rights on something they
already bought (provided it was a legit purchase)

The problem with limiting purchases to titles you can get lifetime rights
on, is that it is relatively small group, limited mainly ( but not
exclusively) to non fiction films either directly from the original
director/producer or their rep. Perhaps  that is what you want but how do
you deal with classes that want to use Modern Times,
Citizen Kane, The Leopard or any number of films which will never be
available with lifetime rights.


On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 2:47 PM, Bonnie Brown  wrote:

> Hi Rod and Jessica,
>
> We also rarely consider streaming rights for less than in perpetuity for
> the same reasons. But am interested in a response regarding films already
> purchased without streaming rights as well.
>
> -Bonnie Brown
> Avery Fisher Center
> E.H. Bobst Library
> New York University
>
> - Original Message -
> From: Jeanne Little 
> Date: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 1:15 pm
> Subject: Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming
> rights
> To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
>
>
> > Jessica,
> >
> >  Would there be a different price for a library who already owns the
> > dvd and wants to purchase streaming rights?
> >
> >  Also, I have to put this out there: our library does not consider
> > streaming rights (or at least very rarely) for less than in
> > perpetuity, not only due to the additional costs involved for renewing
> > after a specific term of use is done, but also because we do not have
> > any mechanisms in place to automatically alert us to the fact a term
> > is expiring. If a professor needed a title streamed for a one-time
> > use, we would expect to purchase this at a much reduced cost. We can
> > provide server space, but our IT department may charge us for the work
> > done to convert it, so this is an additional cost for us to stream. A
> > password-protected environment is used when required.
> >
> >  Thanks for asking for input.
> >
> >  Jeanne Little
> >
> >  Rod Library
> >  University of Northern Iowa
> >
> >  On 1/19/2011 11:41 AM, Jessica Rosner wrote:
> >
> >  I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who
> > would like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic
> > group but mostly documentaries
> >  and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming
> > rights, but some can only sell for their own contract term which is
> > probably about six years.  I should mention some of these films are
> > institutional only and sell for a few hundred dollars each and others
> > are available retail for around $30. In most cases PPR rights would
> > also be included and many of these are films that actually get
> > screened on campuses. Streaming prices seem to be all over the map
> > these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra (beyond the current
> > sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for multi-disc
> > sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime rights, but
> > even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have to be
> > at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for
> > less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such
> > as going on password protected system and accessible only to students
> > or faculty using them for a specific course.
> >
> >  Besides pricing the other big issue is the "access" issue. These
> > filmmakers do not have the money or time to set up their own servers
> > so they would be selling a physical DVD for which the institution
> > could digitize and put on its own system.
> >
> >  I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of
> > you are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films.
> >
> >  You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details
> > etc.
> >  email is jessicapros...@gmail.com
> >
> >  --
> >  Jessica Rosner
> >
> >
> >
> >  VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of
> > issues relating to the selection, evaluation,
> > acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current
> > and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It
> > is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for
> > video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between
> > libraries,educational institu

Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights

[Brewer, Michael]

What if this kind of access (for things not identified as course related by the 
instructor) was for a single "seat" at a time only?

Michael Brewer
Team Leader for Instructional Services
University of Arizona Libraries
brew...@u.library.arizona.edu<mailto:brew...@u.library.arizona.edu>

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 11:56 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights

I think it could be made more flexible, but rights holders don't want it to be 
a free for all where the film can just be watched at anytime for any reason. I 
mean they might be willing to do that, but they would want more money. I think 
the people I work with would agree to something like librarian discretion in 
which a student could request access for a particular reason, but they would 
not want the films available to the entire campus  at all times without more 
money.
On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Brewer, Michael 
mailto:brew...@u.library.arizona.edu>> wrote:
Jessica,

It is great that this is being done.  My only concern is that setting this up 
only as a sort of remedy for TEACH is going to be overly restrictive for 
learning and, especially, scholarship.  In this model, students that want to 
view a film that has not been identified by the instructor (but which they are 
using for a paper or some other assignment) will not have access.  I would 
recommend that you make the films available through license to any enrolled 
student, not just to those where an instructor has identified films and linked 
them in the CMS ahead of time. In this model instructors or researchers would 
also have access, even if they are not using the film in a course (but are 
developing a course or are doing independent research and scholarship).

mb

Michael Brewer
Team Leader for Instructional Services
University of Arizona Libraries
brew...@u.library.arizona.edu<mailto:brew...@u.library.arizona.edu>

From: 
videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu> 
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu>]
 On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 10:42 AM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu<mailto:videolib@lists.berkeley.edu>
Subject: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights


I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would like 
to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but mostly 
documentaries
and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights, but 
some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about six 
years.  I should mention some of these films are institutional only and sell 
for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for around $30. 
In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of these are films 
that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices seem to be all over 
the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra (beyond the current 
sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for multi-disc sets. As 
mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime rights, but even those for 
which the term would only be 6 years would have to be at the same price point. 
It would be possible to license a film for less for one time/semester use. 
Standard restrictions would apply such as going on password protected system 
and accessible only to students or faculty using them for a specific course.

Besides pricing the other big issue is the "access" issue. These filmmakers do 
not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they would be selling 
a physical DVD for which the institution could digitize and put on its own 
system.

I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of you are 
now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films.

You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details etc.
email is jessicapros...@gmail.com<mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com>

--
Jessica Rosner

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.



--
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com<mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com>
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection,

Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights

[Jessica Rosner]

I don't think there would be a problem. I think filmmakers just want to be
sure their work is not being streamed just because a person or group wants
to see it for fun, they might be flattered but they would want more money

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 3:32 PM, Brewer, Michael <
brew...@u.library.arizona.edu> wrote:

>  What if this kind of access (for things not identified as course related
> by the instructor) was for a single “seat” at a time only?
>
>
>
> Michael Brewer
>
> Team Leader for Instructional Services
>
> University of Arizona Libraries
>
> brew...@u.library.arizona.edu
>
>
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 19, 2011 11:56 AM
>
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for
> streaming rights
>
>
>
> I think it could be made more flexible, but rights holders don't want it to
> be a free for all where the film can just be watched at anytime for any
> reason. I mean they might be willing to do that, but they would want more
> money. I think the people I work with would agree to something like
> librarian discretion in which a student could request access for a
> particular reason, but they would not want the films available to the entire
> campus  at all times without more money.
>
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 1:13 PM, Brewer, Michael <
> brew...@u.library.arizona.edu> wrote:
>
> Jessica,
>
>
>
> It is great that this is being done.  My only concern is that setting this
> up only as a sort of remedy for TEACH is going to be overly restrictive for
> learning and, especially, scholarship.  In this model, students that want to
> view a film that has not been identified by the instructor (but which they
> are using for a paper or some other assignment) will not have access.  I
> would recommend that you make the films available through license to any
> enrolled student, not just to those where an instructor has identified films
> and linked them in the CMS ahead of time. In this model instructors or
> researchers would also have access, even if they are not using the film in a
> course (but are developing a course or are doing independent research and
> scholarship).
>
>
>
> mb
>
>
>
> Michael Brewer
>
> Team Leader for Instructional Services
>
> University of Arizona Libraries
>
> brew...@u.library.arizona.edu
>
>
>
> *From:* videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu [mailto:
> videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] *On Behalf Of *Jessica Rosner
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 19, 2011 10:42 AM
> *To:* videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
> *Subject:* [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming
> rights
>
>
>
>
> I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would
> like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but
> mostly documentaries
> and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights,
> but some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about
> six years.  I should mention some of these films are institutional only and
> sell for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for
> around $30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of
> these are films that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices
> seem to be all over the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra
> (beyond the current sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for
> multi-disc sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime
> rights, but even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have
> to be at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for
> less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such as
> going on password protected system and accessible only to students or
> faculty using them for a specific course.
>
> Besides pricing the other big issue is the "access" issue. These filmmakers
> do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they would be
> selling a physical DVD for which the institution could digitize and put on
> its own system.
>
> I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of you
> are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films.
>
> You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details etc.
> email is jessicapros...@gmail.com
>
> --
> Jessica Rosner
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliogra

Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights

[Ball, James (jmb4aw)]

Jessica,

The three "biggies" for us are:

--rights in perpetuity
--accessible to any student, staff, or faculty member of our University (not 
just those students registered for a specific course)
--permission to transcode to the streaming format of our choice

Our preference is to receive a hi-res digital version of the title.  Digitizing 
ourselves from a DVD is fine but the quality isn't as good as an MPEG4 or 
digibeta, for example.

Your pricing sounds reasonable to me.

As to your question about titles for which perpetual rights aren't possible, 
those would simply be titles that we could not consider for streaming.

Cheers,

Matt


__
Matt Ball
Media and Collections Librarian
University of Virginia
mattb...@virginia.edu
434-924-3812

On Jan 19, 2011, at 12:50 PM, "Jessica Rosner" 
mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would like 
to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but mostly 
documentaries
and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights, but 
some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about six 
years.  I should mention some of these films are institutional only and sell 
for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for around $30. 
In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of these are films 
that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices seem to be all over 
the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra (beyond the current 
sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for multi-disc sets. As 
mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime rights, but even those for 
which the term would only be 6 years would have to be at the same price point. 
It would be possible to license a film for less for one time/semester use. 
Standard restrictions would apply such as going on password protected system 
and accessible only to students or faculty using them for a specific course.

Besides pricing the other big issue is the "access" issue. These filmmakers do 
not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they would be selling 
a physical DVD for which the institution could digitize and put on its own 
system.

I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of you are 
now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films.

You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details etc.
email is  
jessicapros...@gmail.com

--
Jessica Rosner


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights

[Jessica Rosner]

Well a few of them could be gotten in high res but not most. They exist out
there but it is simply too expensive for them to make it available in this
kind of situation.
Again I can see directors/rights guys balking at unlimited access without a
higher fee. In there minds this is for educational use
and they don't want a spillover to entertainment. My guess is they would
probably do it but charge another $100 or so. These are all films that have
had theatrical play (even if in some cases that was 1905) so they see
institutional use as separate from the wider world of watching for fun.

Again if you limit yourself to titles available for lifetime rights, that
pretty much means non fiction works heavily weighted towards material used
in somewhat rarified instruction. There is nothing wrong with that, but what
do you do when a class does want to be able to watch via streaming anything
from Citizen Kane &City Lights to  Thin Blue Line and The Social Network. I
can't imagine major studios and foreign rights holders in particular ever
doing lifetime rights.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) <
jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu> wrote:

> Jessica,
>
> The three "biggies" for us are:
>
> --rights in perpetuity
> --accessible to any student, staff, or faculty member of our University
> (not just those students registered for a specific course)
> --permission to transcode to the streaming format of our choice
>
> Our preference is to receive a hi-res digital version of the title.
>  Digitizing ourselves from a DVD is fine but the quality isn't as good as an
> MPEG4 or digibeta, for example.
>
> Your pricing sounds reasonable to me.
>
> As to your question about titles for which perpetual rights aren't
> possible, those would simply be titles that we could not consider for
> streaming.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Matt
>
>
> __
> Matt Ball
> Media and Collections Librarian
> University of Virginia
> mattb...@virginia.edu
> 434-924-3812
>
> On Jan 19, 2011, at 12:50 PM, "Jessica Rosner"  > wrote:
>
>
> I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would
> like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but
> mostly documentaries
> and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights,
> but some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about
> six years.  I should mention some of these films are institutional only and
> sell for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for
> around $30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of
> these are films that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices
> seem to be all over the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra
> (beyond the current sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for
> multi-disc sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime
> rights, but even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have
> to be at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for
> less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such as
> going on password protected system and accessible only to students or
> faculty using them for a specific course.
>
> Besides pricing the other big issue is the "access" issue. These filmmakers
> do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they would be
> selling a physical DVD for which the institution could digitize and put on
> its own system.
>
> I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of you
> are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films.
>
> You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details etc.
> email is  jessicapros...@gmail.com
> 
>
> --
> Jessica Rosner
>
> 
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>



-- 
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights

[Ball, James (jmb4aw)]

what do you do when a class does want to be able to watch via streaming 
anything from Citizen Kane &City Lights to  Thin Blue Line and The Social 
Network.

Then we say we can't get streaming and they just have to watch the DVD.

Matt

__
Matt Ball
Media and Collections Librarian
University of Virginia
mattb...@virginia.edu
434-924-3812

On Jan 19, 2011, at 5:58 PM, "Jessica Rosner" 
mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well a few of them could be gotten in high res but not most. They exist out 
there but it is simply too expensive for them to make it available in this kind 
of situation.
Again I can see directors/rights guys balking at unlimited access without a 
higher fee. In there minds this is for educational use
and they don't want a spillover to entertainment. My guess is they would 
probably do it but charge another $100 or so. These are all films that have had 
theatrical play (even if in some cases that was 1905) so they see institutional 
use as separate from the wider world of watching for fun.

Again if you limit yourself to titles available for lifetime rights, that 
pretty much means non fiction works heavily weighted towards material used in 
somewhat rarified instruction. There is nothing wrong with that, but what do 
you do when a class does want to be able to watch via streaming anything from 
Citizen Kane &City Lights to  Thin Blue Line and The Social Network. I can't 
imagine major studios and foreign rights holders in particular ever doing 
lifetime rights.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) 
<jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu>
 wrote:
Jessica,

The three "biggies" for us are:

--rights in perpetuity
--accessible to any student, staff, or faculty member of our University (not 
just those students registered for a specific course)
--permission to transcode to the streaming format of our choice

Our preference is to receive a hi-res digital version of the title.  Digitizing 
ourselves from a DVD is fine but the quality isn't as good as an MPEG4 or 
digibeta, for example.

Your pricing sounds reasonable to me.

As to your question about titles for which perpetual rights aren't possible, 
those would simply be titles that we could not consider for streaming.

Cheers,

Matt


__
Matt Ball
Media and Collections Librarian
University of Virginia
mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edu>mattb...@virginia.edu>
434-924-3812

On Jan 19, 2011, at 12:50 PM, "Jessica Rosner" 
<jessicapros...@gmail.commailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com>jessicapros...@gmail.com>>
 wrote:


I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would like 
to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but mostly 
documentaries
and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights, but 
some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about six 
years.  I should mention some of these films are institutional only and sell 
for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for around $30. 
In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of these are films 
that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices seem to be all over 
the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra (beyond the current 
sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for multi-disc sets. As 
mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime rights, but even those for 
which the term would only be 6 years would have to be at the same price point. 
It would be possible to license a film for less for one time/semester use. 
Standard restrictions would apply such as going on password protected system 
and accessible only to students or faculty using them for a specific course.

Besides pricing the other big issue is the "access" issue. These filmmakers do 
not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they would be selling 
a physical DVD for which the institution could digitize and put on its own 
system.

I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of you are 
now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films.

You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details etc.
email is 
mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com>jessicapros...@gmail.com>
  
jessicapros...@gmail.commailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com>jessicapros...@gmail.com>

--
Jessica Rosner


VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic cont

Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights

[Jessica Rosner]

Works for me.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 6:49 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) <
jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu> wrote:

> what do you do when a class does want to be able to watch via streaming
> anything from Citizen Kane &City Lights to  Thin Blue Line and The Social
> Network.
>
> Then we say we can't get streaming and they just have to watch the DVD.
>
> Matt
>
> __
> Matt Ball
> Media and Collections Librarian
> University of Virginia
> mattb...@virginia.edu
> 434-924-3812
>
> On Jan 19, 2011, at 5:58 PM, "Jessica Rosner"  > wrote:
>
> Well a few of them could be gotten in high res but not most. They exist out
> there but it is simply too expensive for them to make it available in this
> kind of situation.
> Again I can see directors/rights guys balking at unlimited access without a
> higher fee. In there minds this is for educational use
> and they don't want a spillover to entertainment. My guess is they would
> probably do it but charge another $100 or so. These are all films that have
> had theatrical play (even if in some cases that was 1905) so they see
> institutional use as separate from the wider world of watching for fun.
>
> Again if you limit yourself to titles available for lifetime rights, that
> pretty much means non fiction works heavily weighted towards material used
> in somewhat rarified instruction. There is nothing wrong with that, but what
> do you do when a class does want to be able to watch via streaming anything
> from Citizen Kane &City Lights to  Thin Blue Line and The Social Network. I
> can't imagine major studios and foreign rights holders in particular ever
> doing lifetime rights.
>
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) < jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu>jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu>> wrote:
> Jessica,
>
> The three "biggies" for us are:
>
> --rights in perpetuity
> --accessible to any student, staff, or faculty member of our University
> (not just those students registered for a specific course)
> --permission to transcode to the streaming format of our choice
>
> Our preference is to receive a hi-res digital version of the title.
>  Digitizing ourselves from a DVD is fine but the quality isn't as good as an
> MPEG4 or digibeta, for example.
>
> Your pricing sounds reasonable to me.
>
> As to your question about titles for which perpetual rights aren't
> possible, those would simply be titles that we could not consider for
> streaming.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Matt
>
>
> __
> Matt Ball
> Media and Collections Librarian
> University of Virginia
> mattb...@virginia.edu mattb...@virginia.edu>mailto:mattb...@virginia.edu>
> mattb...@virginia.edu>
> 434-924-3812
>
> On Jan 19, 2011, at 12:50 PM, "Jessica Rosner" < jessicapros...@gmail.com>jessicapros...@gmail.com jessicapros...@gmail.com>mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com>
> jessicapros...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>
> I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would
> like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but
> mostly documentaries
> and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights,
> but some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about
> six years.  I should mention some of these films are institutional only and
> sell for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for
> around $30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of
> these are films that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices
> seem to be all over the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra
> (beyond the current sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for
> multi-disc sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime
> rights, but even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have
> to be at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for
> less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such as
> going on password protected system and accessible only to students or
> faculty using them for a specific course.
>
> Besides pricing the other big issue is the "access" issue. These filmmakers
> do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so they would be
> selling a physical DVD for which the institution could digitize and put on
> its own system.
>
> I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of you
> are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films.
>
> You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details etc.
> email is mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com>jessicapros...@gmail.com
> > 
> jessicapros...@gmail.com jessicapros...@gmail.com>jessicapros...

Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights

[Bergman, Barbara J]

I understand the issue of film distributors not having the right to sell 
perpetuity rights, but it will reduce sales.  Items that have to be paid for 
more than once are much more time-consuming.
Items that have to be renewed are treated as serials. Which get treated 
differently than one time purchases.  Serials have to be approved by a 
committee.
Library systems aren't well setup to track and flag individual licenses. For 
periodicals, the vendor sends us a big bill that lists everything, we say okay 
and send payment.
Would it help if we word it as life-of-format?

I would be okay with the suggested pricing if I were being given a file to 
load. If I have to do the digitization as well as hosting, it's a bit high.

If we're licensing for ongoing use for however many years, we must be allowed 
to provide campus-wide using IP-authentication just like all of our subscribed 
databases.
We would not agree to ongoing access that limited use to a single class or 
required a password.  The only time that limited access would be okay is if I'm 
buying one time use, but not for longer term access.


Barb Bergman | Media Services & Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota State 
University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights

[Marilyn Nasserden]

Hi again,
I must admit that I was thinking mostly about educational video when I 
last responded.  For feature films, I would like to try providing access 
to streamed feature films via a mega-service similar to the home video 
on demand services to support the University  - but with educational PPR 
and hosting provided.  Would it be possible for you to work with an 
established service?  In this case we might consider the more limited 
access to a particular class for a particular period of time.  It seems 
unwieldy to work with different vendors/distributors/producers, all with 
their possibly varying payment and technical specifications; 
uniformity/streamlined processes can really help a library want to 
subscribe or otherwise acquire your product.

As a Canadian university, we have two annual licenses which cost a fair 
bit that cover most feature films used in the classroom.  I'm not sure 
how this would fit with a streaming feature film video service.  It 
occurs to me that you may not be interested in the Canadian situation 
but we're interested in streaming video! :)

Best,
Marilyn

-- 
Marilyn Nasserden
Head, Visual&  Performing Arts
Libraries and Cultural Resources
25 MacKimmie Library Block
University of Calgary
2500 University Drive NW
Calgary, Alberta, CANADA

marilyn.nasser...@ucalgary.ca
Phone: (403) 220-3795


On 1/19/2011 4:49 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) wrote:
> what do you do when a class does want to be able to watch via streaming 
> anything from Citizen Kane&City Lights to  Thin Blue Line and The Social 
> Network.
>
> Then we say we can't get streaming and they just have to watch the DVD.
>
> Matt
>
> __
> Matt Ball
> Media and Collections Librarian
> University of Virginia
> mattb...@virginia.edu
> 434-924-3812
>
> On Jan 19, 2011, at 5:58 PM, "Jessica 
> Rosner"mailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com>>  wrote:
>
> Well a few of them could be gotten in high res but not most. They exist out 
> there but it is simply too expensive for them to make it available in this 
> kind of situation.
> Again I can see directors/rights guys balking at unlimited access without a 
> higher fee. In there minds this is for educational use
> and they don't want a spillover to entertainment. My guess is they would 
> probably do it but charge another $100 or so. These are all films that have 
> had theatrical play (even if in some cases that was 1905) so they see 
> institutional use as separate from the wider world of watching for fun.
>
> Again if you limit yourself to titles available for lifetime rights, that 
> pretty much means non fiction works heavily weighted towards material used in 
> somewhat rarified instruction. There is nothing wrong with that, but what do 
> you do when a class does want to be able to watch via streaming anything from 
> Citizen Kane&City Lights to  Thin Blue Line and The Social Network. I can't 
> imagine major studios and foreign rights holders in particular ever doing 
> lifetime rights.
>
> On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Ball, James 
> (jmb4aw)<jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu>
>   wrote:
> Jessica,
>
> The three "biggies" for us are:
>
> --rights in perpetuity
> --accessible to any student, staff, or faculty member of our University (not 
> just those students registered for a specific course)
> --permission to transcode to the streaming format of our choice
>
> Our preference is to receive a hi-res digital version of the title.  
> Digitizing ourselves from a DVD is fine but the quality isn't as good as an 
> MPEG4 or digibeta, for example.
>
> Your pricing sounds reasonable to me.
>
> As to your question about titles for which perpetual rights aren't possible, 
> those would simply be titles that we could not consider for streaming.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Matt
>
>
> __
> Matt Ball
> Media and Collections Librarian
> University of Virginia
> mattb...@virginia.edumailto:mattb...@virginia.edu>mattb...@virginia.edu>
> 434-924-3812
>
> On Jan 19, 2011, at 12:50 PM, "Jessica 
> Rosner"<jessicapros...@gmail.commailto:jessicapros...@gmail.com>jessicapros...@gmail.com>>
>   wrote:
>
>
> I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would 
> like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but 
> mostly documentaries
> and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights, but 
> some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about six 
> years.  I should mention some of these films are institutional only and sell 
> for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for around 
> $30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of these are 

Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights

[Jessica Rosner]

I suspect the big rights holders who  license large collections (Swank and
the two Criterions) will move to some sort of annual fee to use anything
they have. Not sure if that works, but again I suspect that is what they
will do.

As for the pricing I don't think I can do much about that for "my" stuff.
You are dealing with someone who may have only one or two films and even
those with somewhat larger collections don't  yet seem ready to do this by
file as nearly all are at still at the DVD model
of sale. They don't have the time or the money to do much more than provide
a DVD. They have access to other materials but they would charge signicantly
more.

I will take what you, Michale and others said about access under advisement
but again I think they will want an additional fee if they think the use is
going beyond what they perceive as either class related or research.

Thanks for the feedback.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:03 PM, Bergman, Barbara J <
barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu> wrote:

>
>
> I understand the issue of film distributors not having the right to sell
> perpetuity rights, but it will reduce sales.  Items that have to be paid for
> more than once are much more time-consuming.
>
> Items that have to be renewed are treated as serials. Which get treated
> differently than one time purchases.  Serials have to be approved by a
> committee.
>
> Library systems aren’t well setup to track and flag individual licenses.
> For periodicals, the vendor sends us a big bill that lists everything, we
> say okay and send payment.
>
> Would it help if we word it as life-of-format?
>
>
>
> I would be okay with the suggested pricing if I were being given a file to
> load. If I have to do the digitization as well as hosting, it’s a bit high.
>
>
>
> If we’re licensing for ongoing use for however many years, we must be
> allowed to provide campus-wide using IP-authentication just like all of our
> subscribed databases.
>
> We would not agree to ongoing access that limited use to a single class or
> required a password.  The only time that limited access would be okay is if
> I’m buying one time use, but not for longer term access.
>
>
>
>
>
> Barb Bergman | Media Services & Interlibrary Loan Librarian | Minnesota
> State University, Mankato | (507) 389-5945 | barbara.berg...@mnsu.edu
>
>
>
> VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues
> relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control,
> preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and
> related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective
> working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication
> between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and
> distributors.
>
>


-- 
Jessica Rosner
Media Consultant
224-545-3897 (cell)
212-627-1785 (land line)
jessicapros...@gmail.com
VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights

[Jessica Rosner]

Again the people I work with are all very small. They simply can not invest
any more money in hosting or other services unless they could literally be
guaranteed a profit from day 1 and I can't see how to work that. As a
practical matter I don't see how going through a
2nd party would be safe for the users as things can change and what happens
if they no longer exist in two years? I can't say my folks will be making or
distributing films in two years, but since they own the lifetime streaming
rights, they can sell it now.

As for the Canadian issue, it will cut down on the number of titles I could
sell for streaming because not all have Canadian rights
( two are French so you can imagine the fun of that) but beyond that it is
not a problem because we can do both the streaming and PPR in one package.

On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 7:28 PM, Marilyn Nasserden <
marilyn.nasser...@ucalgary.ca> wrote:

> Hi again,
> I must admit that I was thinking mostly about educational video when I
> last responded.  For feature films, I would like to try providing access
> to streamed feature films via a mega-service similar to the home video
> on demand services to support the University  - but with educational PPR
> and hosting provided.  Would it be possible for you to work with an
> established service?  In this case we might consider the more limited
> access to a particular class for a particular period of time.  It seems
> unwieldy to work with different vendors/distributors/producers, all with
> their possibly varying payment and technical specifications;
> uniformity/streamlined processes can really help a library want to
> subscribe or otherwise acquire your product.
>
> As a Canadian university, we have two annual licenses which cost a fair
> bit that cover most feature films used in the classroom.  I'm not sure
> how this would fit with a streaming feature film video service.  It
> occurs to me that you may not be interested in the Canadian situation
> but we're interested in streaming video! :)
>
> Best,
> Marilyn
>
> --
> Marilyn Nasserden
> Head, Visual&  Performing Arts
> Libraries and Cultural Resources
> 25 MacKimmie Library Block
> University of Calgary
> 2500 University Drive NW
> Calgary, Alberta, CANADA
>
> marilyn.nasser...@ucalgary.ca
> Phone: (403) 220-3795
>
>
> On 1/19/2011 4:49 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw) wrote:
> > what do you do when a class does want to be able to watch via streaming
> anything from Citizen Kane&City Lights to  Thin Blue Line and The Social
> Network.
> >
> > Then we say we can't get streaming and they just have to watch the DVD.
> >
> > Matt
> >
> > __
> > Matt Ball
> > Media and Collections Librarian
> > University of Virginia
> > mattb...@virginia.edu
> > 434-924-3812
> >
> > On Jan 19, 2011, at 5:58 PM, "Jessica Rosner" >  wrote:
> >
> > Well a few of them could be gotten in high res but not most. They exist
> out there but it is simply too expensive for them to make it available in
> this kind of situation.
> > Again I can see directors/rights guys balking at unlimited access without
> a higher fee. In there minds this is for educational use
> > and they don't want a spillover to entertainment. My guess is they would
> probably do it but charge another $100 or so. These are all films that have
> had theatrical play (even if in some cases that was 1905) so they see
> institutional use as separate from the wider world of watching for fun.
> >
> > Again if you limit yourself to titles available for lifetime rights, that
> pretty much means non fiction works heavily weighted towards material used
> in somewhat rarified instruction. There is nothing wrong with that, but what
> do you do when a class does want to be able to watch via streaming anything
> from Citizen Kane&City Lights to  Thin Blue Line and The Social Network. I
> can't imagine major studios and foreign rights holders in particular ever
> doing lifetime rights.
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 19, 2011 at 5:34 PM, Ball, James (jmb4aw)< jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu>jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu jmb...@eservices.virginia.edu>>  wrote:
> > Jessica,
> >
> > The three "biggies" for us are:
> >
> > --rights in perpetuity
> > --accessible to any student, staff, or faculty member of our University
> (not just those students registered for a specific course)
> > --permission to transcode to the streaming format of our choice
> >
> > Our preference is to receive a hi-res digital version of the title.
>  Digitizing ourselves from a DVD is fine but the quality isn't as good as an
> MPEG4 or digibeta, for example.
> >
> > Your pricing sounds reasonable to me.
> >
> > As to your question about titles for which perpetual rights aren't
> possible, those would simply be titles that we could not consider for
> streaming.
> >
> > Cheers,
> >
> > Matt
> >
> >
> > __
> > Matt Ball
> > Media and Collections Librarian
> > University of Vi

Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights

[Jo Ann Reynolds]

Based on what we are doing here, the pricing is very fair for either 6
years or lifetime.

 

We avoid purchase by the semester if we can.

 

Jo Ann

 

Jo Ann Reynolds

Reserve Services Coordinator

University of Connecticut

Homer Babbidge Library

Storrs,  CT

860-486-1406

jo_ann.reyno...@uconn.edu

 

Question Reality

 

From: videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu
[mailto:videolib-boun...@lists.berkeley.edu] On Behalf Of Jessica Rosner
Sent: Wednesday, January 19, 2011 12:42 PM
To: videolib@lists.berkeley.edu
Subject: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming
rights

 


I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who
would like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic
group but mostly documentaries
and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights,
but some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably
about six years.  I should mention some of these films are institutional
only and sell for a few hundred dollars each and others are available
retail for around $30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included
and many of these are films that actually get screened on campuses.
Streaming prices seem to be all over the map these days. I was thinking
of roughly $200 extra (beyond the current sale price) for singledisc
titles and $300 or more for multi-disc sets. As mentioned not all of the
films will have lifetime rights, but even those for which the term would
only be 6 years would have to be at the same price point. It would be
possible to license a film for less for one time/semester use. Standard
restrictions would apply such as going on password protected system and
accessible only to students or faculty using them for a specific course.

Besides pricing the other big issue is the "access" issue. These
filmmakers do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so
they would be selling a physical DVD for which the institution could
digitize and put on its own system.

I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of
you are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films.

You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details
etc.
email is jessicapros...@gmail.com

-- 
Jessica Rosner

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights

[Susan Weber]

I had a computer crash on Fri. so I couldn't answer you sooner.
Meanwhile I've seen some of the other responses.

Jessica, if our college has to digitize (transcode) the item, and store
it on our own server, and deal with our own infrastructure
in order to stream the video, then we ought not to be paying the same
amount as when we are able to link to a
vendor's site, where the video is waiting to be viewed.
It costs staff time to transcode the DVD - it costs staff time to ftp
the file to wherever the server is that will do the
streaming, and it takes staff time manage the server.
If we do all of those things, we ought to be given some consideration
for having done all of the work.

I think your price of $200 per disc, for a 6 year term, if that's what
you're saying, is dependent on the situation. Formulas
may not work in this rapidly changing world.  I certainly would not pay
that for a $50 retail video. and we do all the work.
You should be paying us.

As for 6 year, 5 year or perpetual license terms - you know what,
folks?  After 5 years, a video may be getting tired, anyway.
Other than classics, which many of us who've been in the biz. a number
of years can name, 5 years is a good run on a documentary.
Being reminded to remove it from your server may be doing you a favor,
to do collection management, and weed out the older content.
We have so many items on our media shelves (yes, we do have a
collection housed separately) that are so old, they should have
been removed 5 years ago, but we never got around to it. So, I'm coming
around to thinking that 5 or 6 years may be an acceptable
term.  Hopefully, there would be recourse to renew for another term, if
the item is still being used.

And then there's the issue of server storage space - videos take up a
lot of space, especially if you have chosen a larger format
screen size over the miniature size.  We just transcoded a video into
MP4 and it takes up 600 MB of space - it won't take long to
fill up storage space at that rate. So, removing older videos is a good
thing, if lack of use justifies it.

Those are some of my ideas, now that we've begun to wade in the
quagmire of streaming.
Regards,
Susan Weber


Jessica Rosner wrote:
I am working with a number of filmmakers and small
distributors who would like to sell streaming rights for their films.
It is an eclectic group but mostly documentaries
and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming
rights, but some can only sell for their own contract term which is
probably about six years.  I should mention some of these films are
institutional only and sell for a few hundred dollars each and others
are available retail for around $30. In most cases PPR rights would
also be included and many of these are films that actually get screened
on campuses. Streaming prices seem to be all over the map these days. I
was thinking of roughly $200 extra (beyond the current sale price) for
singledisc titles and $300 or more for multi-disc sets. As mentioned
not all of the films will have lifetime rights, but even those for
which the term would only be 6 years would have to be at the same price
point. It would be possible to license a film for less for one
time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such as going on
password protected system and accessible only to students or faculty
using them for a specific course.
  
Besides pricing the other big issue is the "access" issue. These
filmmakers do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so
they would be selling a physical DVD for which the institution could
digitize and put on its own system.
  
I would like to know any general feedback to the above and if many of
you are now buying or licensing streaming rights for classroom films.
  
You can email me on list for discussion or off list for more details
etc.
email is jessicapros...@gmail.com
  

VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and distributors.
  


-- 
Susan Weber, Librarian
Langara College, 
100 West 49th Avenue, Vancouver, B.C.  V5Y 2Z6
Tel. 604-323-5533  email: swe...@langara.bc.ca





VIDEOLIB is intended to encourage the broad and lively discussion of issues 
relating to the selection, evaluation, acquisition,bibliographic control, 
preservation, and use of current and evolving video formats in libraries and 
related institutions. It is hoped that the list will serve as an effective 
working tool for video librarians, as well as a channel of communication 
between libraries,educational institutions, and video producers and 
distributors.

Re: [Videolib] Need advice on pricing & tech specs for streaming rights

[Jessica Rosner]

Well it is a question of if the titles are ones you would want to stream,
ones that are or would be used in classes. Otherwise it is not worth paying
for the rights whether you do the work or access it. Actually a number of
the films I am talking about are classics ( Chaplin, Melies, Fairbanks)
others are documentaries and a few are fiction features. Most, but not all
can in fact be licensed for screening in perpetuity. One of the things I am
trying to do in encouraging the rights holders I deal with is to accept a
kind of one price fits all model which may not be ideal but the alternative
is a mess. I don't want to be in the position of licensing streaming rights
based on enrollment, amount of use etc. Just as librarians would hate trying
to track that, so would rights holders.
I am not sure why you  would object to paying $200 (or more) for licensing a
title that say costs only $30 for a DVD copy, the point should be how widely
would it be used. If WB said you could license CITIZEN KANE for 6 years or
forever for $200 or $300 bucks but you had to transcode it yourself, I am
guessing it would be worth it. I imagine librarians and instructors
basically have to come up with a formula to decide what  titles are worth
buying streaming rights on based on some estimate of use.

On Mon, Jan 24, 2011 at 5:45 PM, Susan Weber  wrote:

>  I had a computer crash on Fri. so I couldn't answer you sooner. Meanwhile
> I've seen some of the other responses.
>
> Jessica, if our college has to digitize (transcode) the item, and store it
> on our own server, and deal with our own infrastructure
> in order to stream the video, then we ought not to be paying the same
> amount as when we are able to link to a
> vendor's site, where the video is waiting to be viewed.
> It costs staff time to transcode the DVD - it costs staff time to ftp the
> file to wherever the server is that will do the
> streaming, and it takes staff time manage the server.
> If we do all of those things, we ought to be given some consideration for
> having done all of the work.
>
> I think your price of $200 per disc, for a 6 year term, if that's what
> you're saying, is dependent on the situation. Formulas
> may not work in this rapidly changing world.  I certainly would not pay
> that for a $50 retail video. and we do all the work.
> You should be paying us.
>
> As for 6 year, 5 year or perpetual license terms - you know what, folks?
> After 5 years, a video may be getting tired, anyway.
> Other than classics, which many of us who've been in the biz. a number of
> years can name, 5 years is a good run on a documentary.
> Being reminded to remove it from your server may be doing you a favor, to
> do collection management, and weed out the older content.
> We have so many items on our media shelves (yes, we do have a collection
> housed separately) that are so old, they should have
> been removed 5 years ago, but we never got around to it. So, I'm coming
> around to thinking that 5 or 6 years may be an acceptable
> term.  Hopefully, there would be recourse to renew for another term, if the
> item is still being used.
>
> And then there's the issue of server storage space - videos take up a lot
> of space, especially if you have chosen a larger format
> screen size over the miniature size.  We just transcoded a video into MP4
> and it takes up 600 MB of space - it won't take long to
> fill up storage space at that rate. So, removing older videos is a good
> thing, if lack of use justifies it.
>
> Those are some of my ideas, now that we've begun to wade in the quagmire of
> streaming.
> Regards,
> Susan Weber
>
>
> Jessica Rosner wrote:
>
> I am working with a number of filmmakers and small distributors who would
> like to sell streaming rights for their films. It is an eclectic group but
> mostly documentaries
> and classic films. Most, but not all can sell lifetime streaming rights,
> but some can only sell for their own contract term which is probably about
> six years.  I should mention some of these films are institutional only and
> sell for a few hundred dollars each and others are available retail for
> around $30. In most cases PPR rights would also be included and many of
> these are films that actually get screened on campuses. Streaming prices
> seem to be all over the map these days. I was thinking of roughly $200 extra
> (beyond the current sale price) for singledisc titles and $300 or more for
> multi-disc sets. As mentioned not all of the films will have lifetime
> rights, but even those for which the term would only be 6 years would have
> to be at the same price point. It would be possible to license a film for
> less for one time/semester use. Standard restrictions would apply such as
> going on password protected system and accessible only to students or
> faculty using them for a specific course.
>
> Besides pricing the other big issue is the "access" issue. These filmmakers
> do not have the money or time to set up their own servers so