Locating the Add Button in WWeatherRadio

[Eileen Misrahi]

Hello, 
I am trying to add a new city in WeatherRadio. I have read the instruction in 
the help section, but I can't find the Add button. Has anyone have the same 
experience and how did they resolve it? Please advise.

Thanks in advance.

Eileen

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Re: For emergency purposes only error?

[Tracy]

Hi Jennifer

I once had the same thing happen to me.

Now I know each cell network is different, and my situation might not apply, 
but I'll mention it in case it helps.

My SIM has a pass code, and after entering it incorrectly three times, the 
phone was blocked and gave the error you described. To fix it, I had to switch 
off the phone, turn it on, enter the PUK number I received from my network, 
enter my PIN (pass code), and I was ready to go again. :-)
  - Original Message - 
  From: Jenifer Gilley 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 11:47 PM
  Subject: Re: For emergency purposes only error?


  No, anthony, i knew u werent. :)

  Sent from my iPhone

  On May 9, 2012, at 4:40 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:


Jenifer;


I wasn't trying to be nasty.  I know that's what usually occurs when the 
bill isn't paid.


Anthony




Sent from my Verizon iPhone!

On May 9, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Jenifer Gilley  wrote:


  That would not surprise me, but I'm not sure. They said they did.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On May 9, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:


Maybe they didn't pay there bill.


Sent from my Verizon iPhone!

On May 9, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Jenifer Gilley  wrote:


  Hi all.
I am trying to help someone out.  They have an iPhone 4.  All of a 
sudden they started getting a message when trying to unlock the phone that says 
"for emergency calls only."  They have used the phone successfully before.  Any 
suggestions?
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Re: saving an attached ringtone?

[Moop Curran]

Hi Mary,
Unfortunately, you're right. You have to save it on your mac or pc first. Then 
you copy it to your iTunes library.
Courtney
On May 9, 2012, at 10:21 PM, Mary Otten wrote:

> A friend of mine just sent a message with an attached ringtone to my ICloud 
> mail that I receive on my IPhone. When I double tap the attachment, of 
> course, it plays. But there appears to be no way to save it. So it would 
> appear that you can't take an m4r file that was emailed and get it into your 
> ringtones. Kind of a bother. Is that right or am I missing something here?
> 
> Mary
> 
> Mary Otten
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Re: Voice over automatically changing language?

[Judy]

Make sure your rotor is not set to Languages. Set it to characters. 

Thanks.  

Judy 

Sent from my iPhone

On May 9, 2012, at 7:28 PM, "Jesus Garcia"  wrote:

> If someone has a good answer to this question please post to the list. I had 
> this issue at the beginning managed to fix it and don't know how I did it.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Ramy Moustafa
> Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 19:27
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Voice over automatically changing language?
>  
>  
>  
> HI all:
>  
> I have  avery strange issue again, voice over changed my language without 
> doing anything, why vo did that, and how can I disable this to happen again 
> in the future?
>  
> Cheers:
> Ramy Moustafa
> Owner and producer of Harmony recording studios
> skype:
> roma30
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> youtube chanael:
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Re: getting out of the status bar?

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hi, control-up or control-down should do the trick.


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On 5/9/2012 7:03 PM, Danielle McCullough wrote:

Hi all,

I know to access the status bar on a bluetooth keyboard, you do vo M, but how 
do you get back to the main part of the screen please? lol.

Thanks,

Danielle




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Re: Apple Bugs And The Blind Community

[Veronica Elsea]

Not to mention, if I've paid my own hard-earned money for a product, 
and something breaks in a new release, there are many good reasons 
for saying something about it. For one, others may be trying to make 
something work that doesn't. Hearing that it's broken from someone on 
the list can save someone a lot of time and frustration. Look at what 
goes on at AppleVis. A grand campaign was mounted when StarBucks 
broke accessibility of their app. It's actually fixed now. Everyone, 
blind or not, has their opinions about what they want in a product, 
about what recently busted feature mattered, etc. I believe my 
dollars are as good as anyone's dollars. If Apple broke access to my 
braille display, I'm not wrong for asking them to fix it and I'm 
grateful for the detailed explanation of the problem I saw here on 
this list. It allowed me to write a better message to Apple. To me, 
this is just as valuable as learning how to do things on the phone. 
Here we share which apps are accessible and which are not. This also 
helps us to be more informed consumers. Many on this list have taken 
the time to write developers concerning problem apps that could be 
improved. For that I am also quite grateful. Whenever any new 
software or updates come out, there is bound to be a brief discussion 
of concerns, problems that arise and such. Please, can't we just be 
kind and respectful to each other here? If the thread doesn't suit 
you, you don't have to bother with it. And to those of you who have 
helped me so much in learning these new devices, thank you.


Warmly,

Veronica
.
At 06:50 PM 5/9/2012, you wrote:

Just to offer my perspective and one you may not be considering, being
thankful and appreciative does not mean having to give up any
expectation of standards or things being correct. Yes I am extremely
appreciative and I'm sure others are as well that we get access and it
makes a world of difference. I give them much credit for that and it
changes a lot! However, accessibility should not completely have to be
viewed as a charity and I can assure you that is not why it is done
anyway. Being thankful and having an expectation of quality can and
for me will coexist and I do not think it is at all fare to say one is
obligated to give up any expectations of quality in the name of being
thankful. Yes if your friend does something for you then you do not
slap them in the face because it wasn't done just how you wanted it or
to the extent you wanted it to be done. They are giving more like it
is a charitable thing. To say that is the case with a company is to
say we are second rate and should only have any expectation of
anything that someone wants to give above and beyond anything they
would normally or rightfully do. Yes the two blend to an extent and
yes definitely be thankful, but do not say someone is being rude to
have any quality expectation in this context.

On 5/9/12, Mike Maslo  wrote:
> Here here so many want everything  and are not happy witv what they have
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 9, 2012, at 7:03 PM, Eileen Misrahi 
 wrote:

>
>> I will probably will be belittled by some on this list, but this topic is
>> turning somewhat negative and is getting old. Please stop whining and be
>> grateful that we are able to have a product that works out of a box.
>> Mainstream companies are not obligated to make products accessible. This
>> list needs to get back to basics in helping others. I value the learning
>> from more advance users of the iPhone. However, it may be time to take a
>> break from this  list because of the recent negativity.
>>
>> Thanks for listening and I hope those who are so critical of others have a
>> change of heart.
>>
>> Best,
>> Eileen
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Avery versys Staples

[Rick Alfaro]

Hi Nancy.

 

Just wanted to add that the labels I sent you were not Staples but Office
Depot and they also had issues.

 

Rick

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Nancy M
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Avery versys Staples

 

I've been working with several of the folks on this board on issues that
involve label printing.

Some of the issues just involve printer setup, but Eileen had a very
interesting observation -- the labels she had purchased from Staples weren't
very scannable with DIgit-Eyes and the same size labels made by Avery were.

She, and several other people, were good enough to send me samples of what
they had printed with their laser printers.   

I printed a set with my inkjet using both Staples and Avery stock.

It should be noted that the Staples labels are intended for both kinds of
printing and the avery ones I have are intended for inkjet printing, so they
may not be quite equivalent.

However, we got some very interesting findings and there is a BIG difference
between the labels from the two makers.

Our conclusions are that difference in the contrast between white and black
in the InkJet-printed labels is the cause of the good performance of those
labels.   If you have a choice between using an InkJet and a laser printer,
it appears that the process design of InkJet printing is just intrinsically
more likely to result in a better label.  We were able to get good results
on both the Avery sample and the Staples multipurpose version and we are
comfortable with recommending both for that type of printer.

If you are using a laser printer, don't use draft or toner-saving mode
because the labels are unlikely to be usable.   And we do not recommend
using the Staples multipurpose labels for laser printing; use the Avery ones
that are designed for laser printing instead.

Parenthetically, the label that we prefer above all others is the Avery 6570
label.  This is 32 per sheet (4 across and 8 down) and is the one that is
the closest to square that Avery makes.  The geometry allows the label to be
a little bit larger, which means that it will capture faster.

Kudos to Eileen Misrahi who discovered the difference, brought the issue to
my attention, provided samples and conclusively demonstrated the performance
of the two types of labels.   Eric and Rick also had very useful things to
say about it.  Thanks to everyone!

The entire article is here:
http://www.digit-eyes.com/blog/?p=210
 

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Re: Apple Bugs And The Blind Community

[Eric Oyen]

well,
I am also of the opinion that companies are obligated to provide a quality 
product for the price offered. after all, we are their bread and butter. also, 
the blind are a non-trivial market and we do have some say in how products need 
to be made. otherwise, we will vote with our wallets and go to the competition. 
Now, apple realizes this and they are more than happy to make most (if not all) 
of their products as accessible as possible. after all, a significant portion 
of iphone users are blind (or otherwise print impaired). If apple didn't care, 
we would have gone to droid (which can be made accessible if the carriers would 
just quit breaking the feature with their stupid interface designs). 

and yes, if companies want the business of us and our friends and families 
(that is a lot more than 25 million), they need to wake up and smell the 
coffee. so, yeah, they are under obligation. if they don't want our money, I am 
sure someone else will.

-eric

On May 9, 2012, at 6:50 PM, James Mannion wrote:

> Just to offer my perspective and one you may not be considering, being
> thankful and appreciative does not mean having to give up any
> expectation of standards or things being correct. Yes I am extremely
> appreciative and I'm sure others are as well that we get access and it
> makes a world of difference. I give them much credit for that and it
> changes a lot! However, accessibility should not completely have to be
> viewed as a charity and I can assure you that is not why it is done
> anyway. Being thankful and having an expectation of quality can and
> for me will coexist and I do not think it is at all fare to say one is
> obligated to give up any expectations of quality in the name of being
> thankful. Yes if your friend does something for you then you do not
> slap them in the face because it wasn't done just how you wanted it or
> to the extent you wanted it to be done. They are giving more like it
> is a charitable thing. To say that is the case with a company is to
> say we are second rate and should only have any expectation of
> anything that someone wants to give above and beyond anything they
> would normally or rightfully do. Yes the two blend to an extent and
> yes definitely be thankful, but do not say someone is being rude to
> have any quality expectation in this context.
> 
> On 5/9/12, Mike Maslo  wrote:
>> Here here so many want everything  and are not happy witv what they have
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On May 9, 2012, at 7:03 PM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
>> 
>>> I will probably will be belittled by some on this list, but this topic is
>>> turning somewhat negative and is getting old. Please stop whining and be
>>> grateful that we are able to have a product that works out of a box.
>>> Mainstream companies are not obligated to make products accessible. This
>>> list needs to get back to basics in helping others. I value the learning
>>> from more advance users of the iPhone. However, it may be time to take a
>>> break from this  list because of the recent negativity.
>>> 
>>> Thanks for listening and I hope those who are so critical of others have a
>>> change of heart.
>>> 
>>> Best,
>>> Eileen
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Avery Labels that Might Work With audioLabels

[Rick Alfaro]

Yes, I think this is right on.  I did purchase this program and had a heck
of a time with the non-standard size being used for the labels.  I even
wrote to their support address asking about this and never got a response.
Expecting us to get someone to cut our labels is a bit much I think.

 

Rick

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Nancy M
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:20 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Avery Labels that Might Work With audioLabels

 

The makers of audioLabels expect you to print on a single sheet of adhesive
paper and then cut up with a paper cutter.

I get the impression that they are sightlings and perhaps did not try doing
this operation themselves in an unlighted room

N

On Monday, January 30, 2012 12:41:28 PM UTC-6, Eileen wrote:

Hi List, 

I use Avery 8167 (Return Labels). It come close to the 88 labels that was
asked to Chuck. There are 4 rows with 20 labels on it (total 80). I don't
know if this will work, as I purchased this size labels to make custome bar
codes for my ID Mate. I was also wondering how this app compares to the Pen
Friend that you can attach labels and record the item to the bar coded
label. This would be a terrific find if the functions are basically the
same. The price is right and I did download the purchased one. I look
forward to what others have to say in comparing it to the Pen Friend. 

Eileen 

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saving an attached ringtone?

[Mary Otten]

A friend of mine just sent a message with an attached ringtone to my ICloud 
mail that I receive on my IPhone. When I double tap the attachment, of course, 
it plays. But there appears to be no way to save it. So it would appear that 
you can't take an m4r file that was emailed and get it into your ringtones. 
Kind of a bother. Is that right or am I missing something here?

Mary

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Re: Apple blew it.

[Cara Quinn]

I don't think that people need to grin and bear it so to speak.

I think that this is actually a dangerous attitude to adopt. We got access 
because it was known that we really really needed and wanted it. If we'd just 
kept on being content with what we'd had before, we'd probably still have just 
that.

Apple really wants to know about bugs, as do most companies who write apps for 
any population. The trick is to be even-handed and positive in your approach. 
By all means, make your needs known to Apple. That's what the contact info is 
for! :)

Know that you're heard. your communiqués aren't just going into the aether. :)

Follow up if you need to and relax. That's all you need do. For anyone who has 
dealt with the Voiceover team, you know that they are incredibly passionate 
people who absolutely care about accessibility.

So trust that your concerns are being heard and will be addressed as soon as 
they can. Never stop speaking about what you need and how much you really do 
need it.

it's very important so people truly do understand where you are coming from. 
-Know what I mean?…

Smiles,

cara :)
On May 8, 2012, at 12:06 PM, Herv wrote:

It's not all that unacceptable. Be happy we can even use it! Quit your 
complaining



On 2012-05-08, at 1:08 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

> Apple did not fix the issue with the HIMS braille devices in IOS 5.1.1.
> They also did not fix the bug with setting an all-day appointment.
> Please write accessibil...@apple.com and let them know how unacceptable this 
> is.
> 
> Richard
> 
> 
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Re: Watch for This Possible Bug

[James Mannion]

I have noticed this quite frequently when atempting to read with the
rotor set to something, set to anything really such as words or
characters or words and moving through. It will sit there on the same
word or character saying the same one repeatedly on subsequent swipes
to move further in the direction you are trying to move. Giving it a
second usually gets it advancing again as desired and sometimes trying
to move in the other direction and then back in the direction you wre
trying to proceed will get it going again. It sounds like it could be
the same thing or related.

On 5/9/12, Damshe Thomas  wrote:
> Hello
> I noticed this behavior as well. It has only occurred once that I can be
> absolutely sure of. Thanks and I will also pay close attention.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 9, 2012, at 8:26 AM, "Eric SS"  wrote:
>
>> This is one of those things you are not sure really happened and are not
>> able to go back and do it again to check.
>>
>> Twice now, I have been reading an E-mail on my IPhone 4S with the new IOS
>> and a phrase has repeated itself. This last time was just now in Raul's
>> note
>> regarding moving items on the dock and the repeated phrase was that
>> following the link he gave. The other was in a note from Nancy re:
>> Digit-Eyes, but I cannot confirm the repeat was after a link or date, etc.
>> I
>> hit delete before it occurred to me.
>>
>> I will definitely be paying closer attention and acting before reacting,
>> but
>> maybe others will see the same thing.
>>
>> Eric
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Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug

[James Mannion]

I think it would be helpful to know if you are able to determine, did
the slower rate change the issue any, I.E. did the speech come back
any more quickly? Also, have you found any way that you use to regain
speech when it happens other than wait 60 to 90 seconds or longer?

Jim


On 5/9/12, Damshe Thomas  wrote:
> I have been experiencing the same loss of speech. Initially, I was using
> speech at 100 percent. The same thought occurred to me so I reduced my
> speech rate to sixty percent. Sixty percent didn't solve the issue so I
> tried fifty percent and have continued to encounter the problem. I went as
> far as reseting my phone and maintaining speech rate of sixty percent. For
> me, the issue has persisted. Just reference, I am using an iPhone 4 and have
> experienced this loss of speech since 5.01
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 9, 2012, at 10:11 AM, "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav"
>  wrote:
>
>> Chris,
>>
>> In fact the only thing I see that you all have in common, that is, those
>> of you who have this Voice Over stop speaking bug, is that your synth
>> speed is set very fast.
>>
>> The only way to test if a lower speed fixes it, is to reduce your speed.
>>
>> I do not have the issue, never have and I have owned all three versions of
>> the iPad, and have owned an iPhone 3GS, 4 and now the 4S.
>>
>> So that's 6 iOS devices, and never had the issue, but, I have my speech
>> rate set to just 40%.
>>
>> Does anyone with the speech stopping issue, have their synth rate set at a
>> more moderate level say, 60% or less?
>>
>> If we can find a user who has their synth speed at 60% or less, who has
>> the issue, then I'll begin to consider it being a different cause of this
>> issue, but, the more I talk to folk about this, the more those who suffer
>> it seem to have in common.
>>
>> That is, a tendency to be running your Voice Over synth up at 90% - 100%.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Neil Barnfather
>>
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> www.neilbarnfather.com
>>
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>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>
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>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8 May 2012, at 18:08, Cristobal wrote:
>>
>> If it were in fact caused by something innocuous as the speech rate being
>> above fifty percent or so or some other variant such as the app switcher
>> having x number of apps in it or not turning the device off and on, that
>> in
>> itself could and should be considered as a major bug that Apple hasn't
>> addressed either.
>>
>> I personally have my speech rate set to one hundred percent. I think I
>> would
>> go crazy trying to use my phone at half that speed for any length of time.
>> Maybe someone can go ahead and give it a try and see if that's really a
>> contributor, but I doubt it since so many of us have experienced this
>> particular bug under all sorts of circumstances and situations across
>> various iPhone and iPad models.
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:51 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out
>>
>> even if you clear the app switcher regularly, do you power cycle daily, I
>> mean turn it off and back on again?
>>
>> I also would suggest turning down the speech rate temporarily.
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Neil Barnfather
>>
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> www.neilbarnfather.com
>>
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>>
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8 May 2012, at 16:46, Danielle McCullough wrote:
>>
>> I never leave things in the app switcher anyway, so I think that that out.
>> I'll live with it, but maybe they'll fix it, lol.
>>
>> Danielle
>>
>>
>>
>> On 8 May 2012, at 04:05 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Danielle,
>>>
>>> It would be my strong guess that it is a mixed issue primarily relating
>>> to
>> screen reader synth speed, available processor at the time, RAM, apps
>> running at the time etc.
>>>
>>> one thing to try, and I appreciate that you'll not want to do this for
>> long, but, humour me, try for 48 hours doing the below and seeing if the
>> issue resolves.
>>>
>>> A: speech rate no more than 60%,
>>> clear your app switcher twice daily, with one of these clearings
>>> occurring
>> in the evening, immediately followed by a power cycle.
>>>
>>> It is my belief that the issue will go away, I'd be interested to see.
>>>
>>> if it does, keep clearing the apps, and power cycling once a day after
>>> one
>> of the app switcher clear outs, and slowly increase the speech rate, and I
>> mean slowly, say 65% and upwa

Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug

[James Mannion]

Neil,
I completely agree with you that finding what is causing the problem
should help the cause and it would be really nice to be able to
confirm that it is a speech rate issue. I keep my speech rate at 45%,
not because I do not want it faster, but because I can live with 45%
and have come to strongly believe that faster rates subject us to more
usability issues than just adjusting to a lower speed. I have limited
myself to 45% for that reason and choose not to get accustomed to a
higher speech rate on IOS for the reasons stated above and because it
is so much harder to accept a lower rate once you have gotten use to a
higher one. I do experience the issue, but so far it has not been to
near the extent that others describe in frequency and savarity. So far
mine does not happen all that frequently and so far has not been for
60 to 90 seconds on any regular occasion. Once it really seemed like a
long time, but I still don't think that long. 60 to 90 seconds is a
very long time when you are waiting to do something, especially when
interacting with an interface. I don't even think it takes the banking
machine tipically that long to process your transaction and spit out
your cash and that is a lengthy process.

Jim


On 5/9/12, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  wrote:
> you have it on the button.
>
>
> Regards,
>
> Neil Barnfather
>
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>
>
>
>
> On 9 May 2012, at 22:01, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
>
> Hi Eric, I think what Neil was trying to get across was to suggest people
> slow down the speech to see if the problem still happens. Then if it does or
> doesn't, eventually you go back to the faster speed and you will be wiser so
> you can report to Apple. This is testing at a basic level. I have this
> problem, but choose to try and help out. So even if it means for a few
> hours, using the phone at slower speeds, I will see what I can find out and
> report to Apple. Now, Neil, if I have your intent wrong, please correct me.
>
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> On 5/9/2012 3:37 PM, Eric SS wrote:
>> Neil, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but what point is there in
>> lowering
>> speech rate to test if that is the issue. If you have the problem, you
>> know
>> it and knowing why you have it really does nothing.
>>
>> If you can accept working with slower speech, I suppose that is a solution
>> of sorts, but it makes about as much sense as telling someone with car
>> troubles they will have to drive at half speed and all will be well.
>>
>> I guess you could argue that half speed speech is better than an
>> intermittent no speech, but only for a very patient customer. It is no
>> solution at all for most customers and should not be to Apple, either. I
>> doubt it is. It just really bugs me that they will not even acknowledge
>> there is a problem and say it is on their list of things to fix. But, with
>> so little feedback, compared to what they got from thousands and thousands
>> of customers and hundreds of web writers and some real writers, too, and
>> they still would not cop to the antenna issue, I don't expect we will ever
>> hear anything on our little issue.
>>
>> Eric
>>
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Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug

[Damshe Thomas]

I have been experiencing the same loss of speech. Initially, I was using speech 
at 100 percent. The same thought occurred to me so I reduced my speech rate to 
sixty percent. Sixty percent didn't solve the issue so I tried fifty percent 
and have continued to encounter the problem. I went as far as reseting my phone 
and maintaining speech rate of sixty percent. For me, the issue has persisted. 
Just reference, I am using an iPhone 4 and have experienced this loss of speech 
since 5.01


Sent from my iPhone

On May 9, 2012, at 10:11 AM, "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav"  
wrote:

> Chris,
> 
> In fact the only thing I see that you all have in common, that is, those of 
> you who have this Voice Over stop speaking bug, is that your synth speed is 
> set very fast.
> 
> The only way to test if a lower speed fixes it, is to reduce your speed.
> 
> I do not have the issue, never have and I have owned all three versions of 
> the iPad, and have owned an iPhone 3GS, 4 and now the 4S.
> 
> So that's 6 iOS devices, and never had the issue, but, I have my speech rate 
> set to just 40%.
> 
> Does anyone with the speech stopping issue, have their synth rate set at a 
> more moderate level say, 60% or less?
> 
> If we can find a user who has their synth speed at 60% or less, who has the 
> issue, then I'll begin to consider it being a different cause of this issue, 
> but, the more I talk to folk about this, the more those who suffer it seem to 
> have in common.
> 
> That is, a tendency to be running your Voice Over synth up at 90% - 100%.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> www.neilbarnfather.com
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
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> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8 May 2012, at 18:08, Cristobal wrote:
> 
> If it were in fact caused by something innocuous as the speech rate being
> above fifty percent or so or some other variant such as the app switcher
> having x number of apps in it or not turning the device off and on, that in
> itself could and should be considered as a major bug that Apple hasn't
> addressed either.
> 
> I personally have my speech rate set to one hundred percent. I think I would
> go crazy trying to use my phone at half that speed for any length of time.
> Maybe someone can go ahead and give it a try and see if that's really a
> contributor, but I doubt it since so many of us have experienced this
> particular bug under all sorts of circumstances and situations across
> various iPhone and iPad models.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out
> 
> even if you clear the app switcher regularly, do you power cycle daily, I
> mean turn it off and back on again?
> 
> I also would suggest turning down the speech rate temporarily.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> www.neilbarnfather.com
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
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> 
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> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8 May 2012, at 16:46, Danielle McCullough wrote:
> 
> I never leave things in the app switcher anyway, so I think that that out.
> I'll live with it, but maybe they'll fix it, lol.
> 
> Danielle
> 
> 
> 
> On 8 May 2012, at 04:05 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
> wrote:
> 
>> Danielle,
>> 
>> It would be my strong guess that it is a mixed issue primarily relating to
> screen reader synth speed, available processor at the time, RAM, apps
> running at the time etc.
>> 
>> one thing to try, and I appreciate that you'll not want to do this for
> long, but, humour me, try for 48 hours doing the below and seeing if the
> issue resolves.
>> 
>> A: speech rate no more than 60%,
>> clear your app switcher twice daily, with one of these clearings occurring
> in the evening, immediately followed by a power cycle.
>> 
>> It is my belief that the issue will go away, I'd be interested to see.
>> 
>> if it does, keep clearing the apps, and power cycling once a day after one
> of the app switcher clear outs, and slowly increase the speech rate, and I
> mean slowly, say 65% and upwards in 5% increments.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> www.neilbarnfather.com
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your 
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 8 May 

Re: Watch for This Possible Bug

[Damshe Thomas]

Hello
I noticed this behavior as well. It has only occurred once that I can be 
absolutely sure of. Thanks and I will also pay close attention. 

Sent from my iPhone

On May 9, 2012, at 8:26 AM, "Eric SS"  wrote:

> This is one of those things you are not sure really happened and are not
> able to go back and do it again to check.
> 
> Twice now, I have been reading an E-mail on my IPhone 4S with the new IOS
> and a phrase has repeated itself. This last time was just now in Raul's note
> regarding moving items on the dock and the repeated phrase was that
> following the link he gave. The other was in a note from Nancy re:
> Digit-Eyes, but I cannot confirm the repeat was after a link or date, etc. I
> hit delete before it occurred to me.
> 
> I will definitely be paying closer attention and acting before reacting, but
> maybe others will see the same thing.
> 
> Eric
> 
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Re: Apple Bugs And The Blind Community

[James Mannion]

Just to offer my perspective and one you may not be considering, being
thankful and appreciative does not mean having to give up any
expectation of standards or things being correct. Yes I am extremely
appreciative and I'm sure others are as well that we get access and it
makes a world of difference. I give them much credit for that and it
changes a lot! However, accessibility should not completely have to be
viewed as a charity and I can assure you that is not why it is done
anyway. Being thankful and having an expectation of quality can and
for me will coexist and I do not think it is at all fare to say one is
obligated to give up any expectations of quality in the name of being
thankful. Yes if your friend does something for you then you do not
slap them in the face because it wasn't done just how you wanted it or
to the extent you wanted it to be done. They are giving more like it
is a charitable thing. To say that is the case with a company is to
say we are second rate and should only have any expectation of
anything that someone wants to give above and beyond anything they
would normally or rightfully do. Yes the two blend to an extent and
yes definitely be thankful, but do not say someone is being rude to
have any quality expectation in this context.

On 5/9/12, Mike Maslo  wrote:
> Here here so many want everything  and are not happy witv what they have
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On May 9, 2012, at 7:03 PM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:
>
>> I will probably will be belittled by some on this list, but this topic is
>> turning somewhat negative and is getting old. Please stop whining and be
>> grateful that we are able to have a product that works out of a box.
>> Mainstream companies are not obligated to make products accessible. This
>> list needs to get back to basics in helping others. I value the learning
>> from more advance users of the iPhone. However, it may be time to take a
>> break from this  list because of the recent negativity.
>>
>> Thanks for listening and I hope those who are so critical of others have a
>> change of heart.
>>
>> Best,
>> Eileen
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
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Re: Apple Bugs And The Blind Community

[Mike Maslo]

Here here so many want everything  and are not happy witv what they have

Sent from my iPhone

On May 9, 2012, at 7:03 PM, Eileen Misrahi  wrote:

> I will probably will be belittled by some on this list, but this topic is 
> turning somewhat negative and is getting old. Please stop whining and be 
> grateful that we are able to have a product that works out of a box. 
> Mainstream companies are not obligated to make products accessible. This list 
> needs to get back to basics in helping others. I value the learning from more 
> advance users of the iPhone. However, it may be time to take a break from 
> this  list because of the recent negativity.
> 
> Thanks for listening and I hope those who are so critical of others have a 
> change of heart. 
> 
> Best,
> Eileen 
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Re: Digit-Eyes update in the App Store

[Nancy M]

Good point.   We'll consider it. 

On Wednesday, May 9, 2012 7:01:53 PM UTC-5, Julian wrote:
>
> Hi Nancy, 
>
> I see ith there but only on barcodes that are recognized. When I scan 
> a barcode that is not in your database it says "Barcode not found, 
> press the enter button to add your own description"  and that's the 
> only option that now appears. Being able to do a web or Google search 
> on unrecognized barcodes would be very helpful. Thank you. 
>
> Julian 
>
> On 5/9/12, Nancy M  wrote: 
> > The function to do a websearch is still there. 
> > 
> > It is the next button down under the "more information" bugtton. 
> > 
> > we thought 'more information' would be more interesting to people, so it 
> is 
> > on top. 
> > 
> > 
> > On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 10:18:01 PM UTC-5, Julian wrote: 
> >> 
> >> I could very well be imagining things but before the update that gave 
> >> us the "more info" button I thought there was an option to do a web or 
> >> google search when a barcode wasn't found. If this isn't wishful 
> >> thinking can this option be restored or created? Thanks in advance. 
> >> 
> >> Julian 
> >> 
> >> On 5/6/12, Nancy M  wrote: 
> >> > Interesting point, Eric, and one that I had not considered (probably 
> >> > because it can't happen in the Digit-Eyes design) 
> >> > 
> >> > the reason is that we turn it the light on when scanning (only if 
> >> > necessary) and back off as soon as scanning terminates. 
> >> > 
> >> > If you've scanned a recordable label, it is your option when to start 
> >> > recording (you tap a button to start). 
> >> > 
> >> > So we can guarantee that it is not on in when you are recording. 
> >> > 
> >> > If we added an on and off switch for the light, that would, indeed, 
> be 
> >> an 
> >> > issue. 
> >> > 
> >> > But it is not really one right now. 
> >> > 
> >> > Thanks for noting this! 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > 
> >> > On Sunday, May 6, 2012 3:15:54 PM UTC-5, Eric Caron wrote: 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Hi Nancy and others, 
> >> >> 
> >> >> One thing I noticed about the Torch is that in some apps such as 
> >> >> Recognizer the torch coming on and off can happen during recording. 
>  I 
> >> >> read 
> >> >> some posts here about listers frustrated that the app would 
> interrupt 
> >> >> recording. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Perhaps it would be better to have a button that is pressed that 
> lets 
> >> you 
> >> >> know if the torch is on.  Or, just the new setting that allows you 
> to 
> >> do 
> >> >> it 
> >> >> manually could also indicate the torch status.  this way everyone 
> wins. 
> >> >> 
> >> >>  You can see the torch status, you can turn it off and on, and it is 
> >> not 
> >> >> interrupting your recordings. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Once I realized Digit-Eyes was using the torch automatically I was 
> not 
> >> >> that concerned.  If I wanted the torch to come on I would just cover 
> >> the 
> >> >> camera for a moment.  For me that would turn on the Torch 
> >> automatically. 
> >> >>  It stayed on if the light conditions required it. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> It is great to see such a solid app get even better. 
> >> >> Eric Caron 
> >> >> 
> >> >> 
> >> >> On May 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Nancy M wrote: 
> >> >> 
> >> >> Good idea!   We are working on our next release where one of the 
> >> features 
> >> >> is enhanced audio and haptic feedback and I'll pass that request on 
> to 
> >> the 
> >> >> 
> >> >> folks who are doing the design and implementation. 
> >> >> 
> >> >> On Sunday, May 6, 2012 1:03:56 PM UTC-5, Rick Alfaro wrote: 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> I think one thing that would be helpful is to be notified by the 
> app 
> >> if 
> >> >>> the flash has been turned on or off, even if it is automatic. 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> Rick 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> >> *On 
> >> >>> Behalf Of *Scott Howell 
> >> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 06, 2012 5:40 AM 
> >> >>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
> >> >>> *Subject:* Re: Digit-Eyes update in the App Store 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> Hi Nancy, 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> I'm not sure how interesting this is to the list; however, I wil 
> post 
> >> >>> this much for the record. I just launched Digit-Eyes in a totally 
> dark 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> room 
> >> >>> and the flash did activate. I did not realize this would occur. I 
> >> suspect 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> the situation I was dealing with may have just been at the level in 
> >> which 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> the flash is not activated. So, I will try a few tests to see at 
> what 
> >> >>> level 
> >> >>> of lighting does the flash activate. 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> There may even be an instance where I created a shadow, so I'm not 
> >> sure. 
> >> >>> I will say again that Digit-Eyes is performing very nicely indeed. 
> I'm 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> sure 
> >> >>> the improved camera of the 4 and 4S as well as having the flash 
> does 
> >> >>> help. 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> 
> >> >>> On May 5, 2012, at 

Re: getting out of the status bar?

[Anthony Vece]

VO B


Sent from my Verizon iPhone!

On May 9, 2012, at 7:03 PM, Danielle McCullough
 wrote:

> Hi all,
>
> I know to access the status bar on a bluetooth keyboard, you do vo M, but how 
> do you get back to the main part of the screen please? lol.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Danielle
>
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Re: Removing a language from the VO

[Corrupted_Sight]

Hey you have to find the language roter in the voiceover settings. You
can do this by going to settings, general, accessibility, then
voiceover. Right after roter, there's the language roter. From there
find the language you want to remove. It should say that the language
is selected. All you have to do is double tap on it and it should no
longer say selected.

 Moustafa wrote:
> Hi all:
>
>
>
> I put a wrong language in the language roder in voice over, how can I remove
> it please?
>
>
>
> Thanks in advance
>
>
>
> Cheers:
>
> Ramy Moustafa
>
> Owner and producer of Harmony recording studios
>
> skype:
>
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Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug

[Kevin Barry]

I use my 4s at 100% speech rate.
The bug is still present and so far the only common  denominator I've 
noticed is it seems to rear its ugly head when I'm rapidly swiping.

Maybe others are just  slower with there devices?

At 04:45 PM 5/9/2012, you wrote:
just because the issue only began with iOS v5.0, this does not 
exclude it being related to the speed of the synth.


it maybe that previous coding of the OS allowed without issue the 
speed that some users like, but, that coding in iOS v5.0 does not.


I'm not saying that it is the speed issue, but, that it seems 
plausible, and without anyone who has the issue, declaring that they 
have the issue, with speed below 60% then we cannot rule it out.


more over, we know that the iOS device continues to operate 
normally, only the speech stops, leading me to consider it a synth 
specific issue.


the people who have the issue, seem to have the speed set high, were 
as, those who say they do not, seem to have it set at 50% or less.



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On 9 May 2012, at 18:04, Kirsten Edmondson wrote:

If we're talking about the bug which started with ioos5 where vo and 
sounds freeze and return after a while or once power down or screen 
locking. It cannot be what you say. It only started with 5 but I 
function between 40 & 60% speed. I have a 3GS running Samantha but I 
know of people using 4 & 4s on Australian voice.



Sent from my iPhone

On 9 May 2012, at 16:34, Ed Worrell  wrote:

> Hello all, I have my Voiceover rate set at 100% on an iPhone 4 
and I am not having the issues of speech stoping for a minute or more.

>
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RE: Voice over automatically changing language?

[Jesus Garcia]

If someone has a good answer to this question please post to the list. I had
this issue at the beginning managed to fix it and don't know how I did it.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 19:27
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Voice over automatically changing language?

 

 

 

HI all:

 

I have  avery strange issue again, voice over changed my language without
doing anything, why vo did that, and how can I disable this to happen again
in the future?

 

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Apple Bugs And The Blind Community

[Eileen Misrahi]

I will probably will be belittled by some on this list, but this topic is 
turning somewhat negative and is getting old. Please stop whining and be 
grateful that we are able to have a product that works out of a box. Mainstream 
companies are not obligated to make products accessible. This list needs to get 
back to basics in helping others. I value the learning from more advance users 
of the iPhone. However, it may be time to take a break from this  list because 
of the recent negativity.

Thanks for listening and I hope those who are so critical of others have a 
change of heart. 

Best,
Eileen 

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Re: Digit-Eyes update in the App Store

[Julian]

Hi Nancy,

I see ith there but only on barcodes that are recognized. When I scan
a barcode that is not in your database it says "Barcode not found,
press the enter button to add your own description"  and that's the
only option that now appears. Being able to do a web or Google search
on unrecognized barcodes would be very helpful. Thank you.

Julian

On 5/9/12, Nancy M  wrote:
> The function to do a websearch is still there.
>
> It is the next button down under the "more information" bugtton.
>
> we thought 'more information' would be more interesting to people, so it is
> on top.
>
>
> On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 10:18:01 PM UTC-5, Julian wrote:
>>
>> I could very well be imagining things but before the update that gave
>> us the "more info" button I thought there was an option to do a web or
>> google search when a barcode wasn't found. If this isn't wishful
>> thinking can this option be restored or created? Thanks in advance.
>>
>> Julian
>>
>> On 5/6/12, Nancy M  wrote:
>> > Interesting point, Eric, and one that I had not considered (probably
>> > because it can't happen in the Digit-Eyes design)
>> >
>> > the reason is that we turn it the light on when scanning (only if
>> > necessary) and back off as soon as scanning terminates.
>> >
>> > If you've scanned a recordable label, it is your option when to start
>> > recording (you tap a button to start).
>> >
>> > So we can guarantee that it is not on in when you are recording.
>> >
>> > If we added an on and off switch for the light, that would, indeed, be
>> an
>> > issue.
>> >
>> > But it is not really one right now.
>> >
>> > Thanks for noting this!
>> >
>> >
>> >
>> > On Sunday, May 6, 2012 3:15:54 PM UTC-5, Eric Caron wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Hi Nancy and others,
>> >>
>> >> One thing I noticed about the Torch is that in some apps such as
>> >> Recognizer the torch coming on and off can happen during recording.  I
>> >> read
>> >> some posts here about listers frustrated that the app would interrupt
>> >> recording.
>> >>
>> >> Perhaps it would be better to have a button that is pressed that lets
>> you
>> >> know if the torch is on.  Or, just the new setting that allows you to
>> do
>> >> it
>> >> manually could also indicate the torch status.  this way everyone wins.
>> >>
>> >>  You can see the torch status, you can turn it off and on, and it is
>> not
>> >> interrupting your recordings.
>> >>
>> >> Once I realized Digit-Eyes was using the torch automatically I was not
>> >> that concerned.  If I wanted the torch to come on I would just cover
>> the
>> >> camera for a moment.  For me that would turn on the Torch
>> automatically.
>> >>  It stayed on if the light conditions required it.
>> >>
>> >> It is great to see such a solid app get even better.
>> >> Eric Caron
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> On May 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Nancy M wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Good idea!   We are working on our next release where one of the
>> features
>> >> is enhanced audio and haptic feedback and I'll pass that request on to
>> the
>> >>
>> >> folks who are doing the design and implementation.
>> >>
>> >> On Sunday, May 6, 2012 1:03:56 PM UTC-5, Rick Alfaro wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>> I think one thing that would be helpful is to be notified by the app
>> if
>> >>> the flash has been turned on or off, even if it is automatic.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Rick
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com]
>> *On
>> >>> Behalf Of *Scott Howell
>> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 06, 2012 5:40 AM
>> >>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
>> >>> *Subject:* Re: Digit-Eyes update in the App Store
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Nancy,
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> I'm not sure how interesting this is to the list; however, I wil post
>> >>> this much for the record. I just launched Digit-Eyes in a totally dark
>> >>>
>> >>> room
>> >>> and the flash did activate. I did not realize this would occur. I
>> suspect
>> >>>
>> >>> the situation I was dealing with may have just been at the level in
>> which
>> >>>
>> >>> the flash is not activated. So, I will try a few tests to see at what
>> >>> level
>> >>> of lighting does the flash activate.
>> >>>
>> >>> There may even be an instance where I created a shadow, so I'm not
>> sure.
>> >>> I will say again that Digit-Eyes is performing very nicely indeed. I'm
>> >>>
>> >>> sure
>> >>> the improved camera of the 4 and 4S as well as having the flash does
>> >>> help.
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> On May 5, 2012, at 9:07 PM, Nancy M wrote:
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>>
>> >>> Hi Scott, that is an interesting point.
>> >>>
>> >>> We have some automatic detection logic where the software determines
>> when
>> >>>
>> >>> it thinks there is a problem and turns the flash on (provided, of
>> course,
>> >>>
>> >>> that it is on a device with a flash), but we don't give an option for
>> the
>> >>>
>> >>> user of the software to make that determination and to override the
>> logic
>> >>>
>> >>> in the program.
>> >>>
>> >>> I guess this brings up a couple of issues:
>> >

Re: iBird Explorer Pro and iBird United Kingdom & Ireland apps on sale for $0.99

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
Really how peculiar my search didn't bring them up at all how very curious.
I'll have to try again.
Thanks for letting me know.
Robin



From: fred olver 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 10:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: iBird Explorer Pro and iBird United Kingdom & Ireland apps on sale 
for $0.99


I did see them, they were listed right under Ibird explorer pro in the U.S. 
store.

Fred Olver
  - Original Message - 
  From: Robin Frost 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:27 AM
  Subject: Re: iBird Explorer Pro and iBird United Kingdom & Ireland apps on 
sale for $0.99


  Hi,
  Interestingly I saw no references to the UK or Ireland versions available in 
the US app store much to my great disappointment.  Perhaps there's a way to 
purchase them from within the app but as of now I haven't yet found it.
  But I agree thanks are in order to Esther for the tip it is a really neat app.
  Robin



  From: igor_kaplan 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:17 AM
  To: VIPhone 
  Subject: Re: iBird Explorer Pro and iBird United Kingdom & Ireland apps on 
sale for $0.99


  Thanks Esther,

I have heard about this application earlyer, never thought to buy
  it, yesterday I bought it and discoverred it for myself. Really
  wanderful program, I like it a lot! I just wander, this application
  contains american birds only, may be there are any similar programs,
  which have birds sounds from other parts of the world beside America
  and U. K. Would be very interesting to hear birds from Africa for
  example!

All the best!

Igor.

  Esther wrote:
  > Hi All,
  >
  > I know that some of you like and use birdsong apps.  The iBird Explorer Pro 
app is currently on sale for $0.99 to celebrate iBird's 3-year anniversary.  
This is their premier app that normally costs $29.99 (although they've recently 
reduced the price to $14.99 before this sale). It lists 924 birds of North 
America with an extensive repertoire of audio sound tracks and description of 
habits, habitat, phonetic rendition of characteristic calls, etc., and with 
professional extra features over the iBird Explorer Plus app, and is a 
universal binary.  The other apps on sale for $0.99 are the iBird United 
Kingdom & Ireland app (price dropped from $4.99) and the iBird Pro HD app 
(dropped from $9.99) that is specifically for the iPad.  This is a limited time 
sale. I'm cc'ing to the macvisionaries group, as well.  Here are the app store 
links:
  > • iBird Explorer Pro
  > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ibird-explorer-pro/id308018823?mt=8
  > • iBird UK & Ireland
  > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ibird-united-kingdom-ireland/id424729739?mt=8
  > • iBird Pro HD (iPad only)
  > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ibird-pro-hd/id387946719?mt=8
  >
  > HTH.  Cheers,
  >
  > Esther

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Re: Digit-Eyes update in the App Store

[Nancy M]

The function to do a websearch is still there.  

It is the next button down under the "more information" bugtton.

we thought 'more information' would be more interesting to people, so it is 
on top.


On Tuesday, May 8, 2012 10:18:01 PM UTC-5, Julian wrote:
>
> I could very well be imagining things but before the update that gave 
> us the "more info" button I thought there was an option to do a web or 
> google search when a barcode wasn't found. If this isn't wishful 
> thinking can this option be restored or created? Thanks in advance. 
>
> Julian 
>
> On 5/6/12, Nancy M  wrote: 
> > Interesting point, Eric, and one that I had not considered (probably 
> > because it can't happen in the Digit-Eyes design) 
> > 
> > the reason is that we turn it the light on when scanning (only if 
> > necessary) and back off as soon as scanning terminates. 
> > 
> > If you've scanned a recordable label, it is your option when to start 
> > recording (you tap a button to start). 
> > 
> > So we can guarantee that it is not on in when you are recording. 
> > 
> > If we added an on and off switch for the light, that would, indeed, be 
> an 
> > issue. 
> > 
> > But it is not really one right now. 
> > 
> > Thanks for noting this! 
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Sunday, May 6, 2012 3:15:54 PM UTC-5, Eric Caron wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Hi Nancy and others, 
> >> 
> >> One thing I noticed about the Torch is that in some apps such as 
> >> Recognizer the torch coming on and off can happen during recording.  I 
> >> read 
> >> some posts here about listers frustrated that the app would interrupt 
> >> recording. 
> >> 
> >> Perhaps it would be better to have a button that is pressed that lets 
> you 
> >> know if the torch is on.  Or, just the new setting that allows you to 
> do 
> >> it 
> >> manually could also indicate the torch status.  this way everyone wins. 
> >>  You can see the torch status, you can turn it off and on, and it is 
> not 
> >> interrupting your recordings. 
> >> 
> >> Once I realized Digit-Eyes was using the torch automatically I was not 
> >> that concerned.  If I wanted the torch to come on I would just cover 
> the 
> >> camera for a moment.  For me that would turn on the Torch 
> automatically. 
> >>  It stayed on if the light conditions required it. 
> >> 
> >> It is great to see such a solid app get even better. 
> >> Eric Caron 
> >> 
> >> 
> >> On May 6, 2012, at 2:52 PM, Nancy M wrote: 
> >> 
> >> Good idea!   We are working on our next release where one of the 
> features 
> >> is enhanced audio and haptic feedback and I'll pass that request on to 
> the 
> >> 
> >> folks who are doing the design and implementation. 
> >> 
> >> On Sunday, May 6, 2012 1:03:56 PM UTC-5, Rick Alfaro wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> I think one thing that would be helpful is to be notified by the app 
> if 
> >>> the flash has been turned on or off, even if it is automatic. 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Rick 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] 
> *On 
> >>> Behalf Of *Scott Howell 
> >>> *Sent:* Sunday, May 06, 2012 5:40 AM 
> >>> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
> >>> *Subject:* Re: Digit-Eyes update in the App Store 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Hi Nancy, 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> I'm not sure how interesting this is to the list; however, I wil post 
> >>> this much for the record. I just launched Digit-Eyes in a totally dark 
> >>> room 
> >>> and the flash did activate. I did not realize this would occur. I 
> suspect 
> >>> 
> >>> the situation I was dealing with may have just been at the level in 
> which 
> >>> 
> >>> the flash is not activated. So, I will try a few tests to see at what 
> >>> level 
> >>> of lighting does the flash activate. 
> >>> 
> >>> There may even be an instance where I created a shadow, so I'm not 
> sure. 
> >>> I will say again that Digit-Eyes is performing very nicely indeed. I'm 
> >>> sure 
> >>> the improved camera of the 4 and 4S as well as having the flash does 
> >>> help. 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> On May 5, 2012, at 9:07 PM, Nancy M wrote: 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> 
> >>> Hi Scott, that is an interesting point. 
> >>> 
> >>> We have some automatic detection logic where the software determines 
> when 
> >>> 
> >>> it thinks there is a problem and turns the flash on (provided, of 
> course, 
> >>> 
> >>> that it is on a device with a flash), but we don't give an option for 
> the 
> >>> 
> >>> user of the software to make that determination and to override the 
> logic 
> >>> 
> >>> in the program. 
> >>> 
> >>> I guess this brings up a couple of issues: 
> >>> a)   have you had scans fail for insufficient light on a device where 
> >>> there is a flash? 
> >>> b)  can you tell us a bit more about the experience and how the 
> software 
> >>> could have handled it better? 
> >>> 
> >>> I'm not positive this is a topic of interest to everyone on the board; 
> if 
> >>> 
> >>> you think it is not, I'm the person reading support this weekend, so 
> you 
> >>> can send c

RE: very basic question

[Ramy Moustafa]

Thanks so much sir, but I discovered my problem, it was the language, and
don 't know how to solve, all then numbers r in Arabic, don't know how to
change it to English

 

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jonathan Mosen
Sent: Thursday, May 10, 2012 12:54 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: very basic question

 

Hi Ramy, if you go to the very top of your screen, you'll find a thin status
bar. Once you touch it and hear things like whether WiFi is on, how many
bars of signal you have etc, continue to right flick and you will find your
current battery percentage.

 

Jonathan

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2012 10:50 a.m.
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: very basic question

 

 

Hi all:

 

Sorry for asking this question but I need it really, voce over always says
battery power, how can I know the remaining percentage?

Why voice over can't pronounce that?

 

Thanks in advance

 

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Re: Avery Labels that Might Work With audioLabels

[Nancy M]

The makers of audioLabels expect you to print on a single sheet of adhesive 
paper and then cut up with a paper cutter.

I get the impression that they are sightlings and perhaps did not try doing 
this operation themselves in an unlighted room

N

On Monday, January 30, 2012 12:41:28 PM UTC-6, Eileen wrote:
>
> Hi List, 
>
> I use Avery 8167 (Return Labels). It come close to the 88 labels that was
> asked to Chuck. There are 4 rows with 20 labels on it (total 80). I don't
> know if this will work, as I purchased this size labels to make custome bar
> codes for my ID Mate. I was also wondering how this app compares to the Pen
> Friend that you can attach labels and record the item to the bar coded
> label. This would be a terrific find if the functions are basically the
> same. The price is right and I did download the purchased one. I look
> forward to what others have to say in comparing it to the Pen Friend. 
>
> Eileen 
>
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getting out of the status bar?

[Danielle McCullough]

Hi all,

I know to access the status bar on a bluetooth keyboard, you do vo M, but how 
do you get back to the main part of the screen please? lol.

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RE: very basic question

[Jonathan Mosen]

Hi Ramy, if you go to the very top of your screen, you'll find a thin status
bar. Once you touch it and hear things like whether WiFi is on, how many
bars of signal you have etc, continue to right flick and you will find your
current battery percentage.
 
Jonathan

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Wednesday, 9 May 2012 10:50 a.m.
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: very basic question



 

 

Hi all:

 

Sorry for asking this question but I need it really, voce over always says
battery power, how can I know the remaining percentage?

Why voice over can't pronounce that?

 

Thanks in advance

 

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Ramy Moustafa

Owner and producer of Harmony recording studios

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roma30

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Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

the issue is that for all creators of stuff, if only a small minority of your 
user base have an issue, and none of them are in your beta testing cycle, you 
rely on those who have the issue to demonstrate it even exists and that it is 
not, frankly, user operator error.




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On 9 May 2012, at 22:26, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:

Oh, well, both my ex-wife and my current wife would disagree with the wrong 
bit, *smile*. Seriously though, thanks for the compliment.

Regarding this bug or any other, I don't personally like having to do testing 
in order for a company to fix the problem unless I'm on their testing team. 
However, since we are a small minority, I guess part of me feels that whatever 
we can do to give Apple all the information they need may help in the end. I 
can't stand speech at lower speeds, but am willing to put up with it for a few 
hours to see if I can prove or disprove the assumption that slower speeds are 
not affected and higher speeds are.

Because I've been in beta testing situations before, and still am in certain 
things, this isn't new to me. Still, it's annoying.

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On 5/9/2012 5:20 PM, Eric SS wrote:
> Raul, you are never wrong, and if you are ever wrong, your taglines make it 
> worth it.
> 
> E
> Telephone: (614) 522-9725
> Skype: sseric57
> 
> 
> On May 9, 2012, at 5:01 PM, "Raul A. Gallegos"  wrote:
> 
> Hi Eric, I think what Neil was trying to get across was to suggest people 
> slow down the speech to see if the problem still happens. Then if it does or 
> doesn't, eventually you go back to the faster speed and you will be wiser so 
> you can report to Apple. This is testing at a basic level. I have this 
> problem, but choose to try and help out. So even if it means for a few hours, 
> using the phone at slower speeds, I will see what I can find out and report 
> to Apple. Now, Neil, if I have your intent wrong, please correct me.
> 
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> On 5/9/2012 3:37 PM, Eric SS wrote:
>> Neil, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but what point is there in lowering
>> speech rate to test if that is the issue. If you have the problem, you know
>> it and knowing why you have it really does nothing.
>> 
>> If you can accept working with slower speech, I suppose that is a solution
>> of sorts, but it makes about as much sense as telling someone with car
>> troubles they will have to drive at half speed and all will be well.
>> 
>> I guess you could argue that half speed speech is better than an
>> intermittent no speech, but only for a very patient customer. It is no
>> solution at all for most customers and should not be to Apple, either. I
>> doubt it is. It just really bugs me that they will not even acknowledge
>> there is a problem and say it is on their list of things to fix. But, with
>> so little feedback, compared to what they got from thousands and thousands
>> of customers and hundreds of web writers and some real writers, too, and
>> they still would not cop to the antenna issue, I don't expect we will ever
>> hear anything on our little issue.
>> 
>> Eric
>> 
> 

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Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

you have it on the button.


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On 9 May 2012, at 22:01, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:

Hi Eric, I think what Neil was trying to get across was to suggest people slow 
down the speech to see if the problem still happens. Then if it does or 
doesn't, eventually you go back to the faster speed and you will be wiser so 
you can report to Apple. This is testing at a basic level. I have this problem, 
but choose to try and help out. So even if it means for a few hours, using the 
phone at slower speeds, I will see what I can find out and report to Apple. 
Now, Neil, if I have your intent wrong, please correct me.

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On 5/9/2012 3:37 PM, Eric SS wrote:
> Neil, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but what point is there in lowering
> speech rate to test if that is the issue. If you have the problem, you know
> it and knowing why you have it really does nothing.
> 
> If you can accept working with slower speech, I suppose that is a solution
> of sorts, but it makes about as much sense as telling someone with car
> troubles they will have to drive at half speed and all will be well.
> 
> I guess you could argue that half speed speech is better than an
> intermittent no speech, but only for a very patient customer. It is no
> solution at all for most customers and should not be to Apple, either. I
> doubt it is. It just really bugs me that they will not even acknowledge
> there is a problem and say it is on their list of things to fix. But, with
> so little feedback, compared to what they got from thousands and thousands
> of customers and hundreds of web writers and some real writers, too, and
> they still would not cop to the antenna issue, I don't expect we will ever
> hear anything on our little issue.
> 
> Eric
> 

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Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Eric,

No one said, well at least, I certainly did not, that you had to reduce speed 
forever.

In tech support the hardest issues to resolve are those which seemingly have no 
reason nor rhyme.

Apple are likely powerless to fix this, until they know what is causing it.

If you read over my messages clearly, you'll see that I recommended reducing 
speed for 48 hours or so, if the issue persists then its not that, if though it 
resoles. bingo, you can then report to Apple accessibility, this is how you 
reproduce the issue, and this is how you fix it.

now they have something concrete to work with.

Its very, very highly likely that Apple accessibility folk will not be using 
their demo unit devices at anywhere near the speed some of you are, so they 
probably are thinking to themselves, no, no issue here. only a hand full of 
users have it, and we can see no pattern.

so, if you want it fixing, find the pattern and demonstrate how it happens and 
how to fix it.




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On 9 May 2012, at 20:37, Eric SS wrote:

Neil, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but what point is there in lowering
speech rate to test if that is the issue. If you have the problem, you know
it and knowing why you have it really does nothing.

If you can accept working with slower speech, I suppose that is a solution
of sorts, but it makes about as much sense as telling someone with car
troubles they will have to drive at half speed and all will be well.

I guess you could argue that half speed speech is better than an
intermittent no speech, but only for a very patient customer. It is no
solution at all for most customers and should not be to Apple, either. I
doubt it is. It just really bugs me that they will not even acknowledge
there is a problem and say it is on their list of things to fix. But, with
so little feedback, compared to what they got from thousands and thousands
of customers and hundreds of web writers and some real writers, too, and
they still would not cop to the antenna issue, I don't expect we will ever
hear anything on our little issue.

Eric

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Re: For emergency purposes only error?

[Jenifer Gilley]

No, anthony, i knew u werent. :)

Sent from my iPhone

On May 9, 2012, at 4:40 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:

> Jenifer;
> 
> I wasn't trying to be nasty.  I know that's what usually occurs when the bill 
> isn't paid.
> 
> Anthony
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone!
> 
> On May 9, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Jenifer Gilley  wrote:
> 
>> That would not surprise me, but I'm not sure. They said they did.
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On May 9, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
>> 
>>> Maybe they didn't pay there bill.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone!
>>> 
>>> On May 9, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Jenifer Gilley  wrote:
>>> 
 Hi all.
> I am trying to help someone out.  They have an iPhone 4.  All of a sudden 
> they started getting a message when trying to unlock the phone that says 
> "for emergency calls only."  They have used the phone successfully 
> before.  Any suggestions?
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How do you delete?

[David Gross]

a friend from facebook?
Using iphone 3gs.

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Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Oh, well, both my ex-wife and my current wife would disagree with the 
wrong bit, *smile*. Seriously though, thanks for the compliment.


Regarding this bug or any other, I don't personally like having to do 
testing in order for a company to fix the problem unless I'm on their 
testing team. However, since we are a small minority, I guess part of me 
feels that whatever we can do to give Apple all the information they 
need may help in the end. I can't stand speech at lower speeds, but am 
willing to put up with it for a few hours to see if I can prove or 
disprove the assumption that slower speeds are not affected and higher 
speeds are.


Because I've been in beta testing situations before, and still am in 
certain things, this isn't new to me. Still, it's annoying.


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On 5/9/2012 5:20 PM, Eric SS wrote:

Raul, you are never wrong, and if you are ever wrong, your taglines make it 
worth it.

E
Telephone: (614) 522-9725
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On May 9, 2012, at 5:01 PM, "Raul A. Gallegos"  wrote:

Hi Eric, I think what Neil was trying to get across was to suggest people slow 
down the speech to see if the problem still happens. Then if it does or 
doesn't, eventually you go back to the faster speed and you will be wiser so 
you can report to Apple. This is testing at a basic level. I have this problem, 
but choose to try and help out. So even if it means for a few hours, using the 
phone at slower speeds, I will see what I can find out and report to Apple. 
Now, Neil, if I have your intent wrong, please correct me.

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On 5/9/2012 3:37 PM, Eric SS wrote:

Neil, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but what point is there in lowering
speech rate to test if that is the issue. If you have the problem, you know
it and knowing why you have it really does nothing.

If you can accept working with slower speech, I suppose that is a solution
of sorts, but it makes about as much sense as telling someone with car
troubles they will have to drive at half speed and all will be well.

I guess you could argue that half speed speech is better than an
intermittent no speech, but only for a very patient customer. It is no
solution at all for most customers and should not be to Apple, either. I
doubt it is. It just really bugs me that they will not even acknowledge
there is a problem and say it is on their list of things to fix. But, with
so little feedback, compared to what they got from thousands and thousands
of customers and hundreds of web writers and some real writers, too, and
they still would not cop to the antenna issue, I don't expect we will ever
hear anything on our little issue.

Eric





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Re: Games

[Raul A. Gallegos]

There are a whole bunch more. If you like Sudoku, ther is that. If you 
like other number games, Shut The Box is good. If you like Simon Says or 
Bop-It style games, you can get Bop-It, Zany Touch, or Smack Me. Beep 
Beep is another good one. There are trivia games as well. One of my 
favorite word games is 7 little words and Moxie. Both by the same company.


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On 5/9/2012 5:18 PM, Samara Raine wrote:

No card games. Word games, facts, roleplaying, text adventures, etc. All
awesome. Even no brainer games are nice. I saw a good amount on
Applevis, but that can't be the only games accessible.

- Original Message - From: "Raul A. Gallegos"

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: Games



Hi Samara. There are a whole bunch depending on what's your interest.
Hanging with Friends if you like Hangman, Storm8 games if you like
roleplaying, Cards Alone if you like Solitaire type games, Kings
Corner, if you like Solitaire games. The list goes on and on.


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On 5/9/2012 5:05 PM, Samara Raine wrote:

What are some Voiceover accessible games that you guys really enjoy? I
have the new iPhone 4S and I'd like to have a few more games on here. I
want to get King of Dragon Pass, but I can't do that until I get a WiFi
connection somewhere. So any ideas? Do they have a hangman game by any
chance? Word searches, crossword puzzles, anything like that is also
awesome.
Sam

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Re: Games

[fred olver]

Congratulations on your new phone. If you will take the time to visit 
http://www.applevis.com you will find a myriad applications from games to music 
to business etc. It's a wonderful resource and one which will come in hhand 
more than once. One game though which I personally would recommend is stem 
stumper. It has a number of different levels and various difficulty levels.

Fred Olver

  - Original Message - 
  From: Samara Raine 
  To: Viphone 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 4:05 PM
  Subject: Games


  What are some Voiceover accessible games that you guys really enjoy? I have 
the new iPhone 4S and I'd like to have a few more games on here. I want to get 
King of Dragon Pass, but I can't do that until I get a WiFi connection 
somewhere. So any ideas? Do they have a hangman game by any chance? Word 
searches, crossword puzzles, anything like that is also awesome.

  Sam

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Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug

[Eric SS]

Raul, you are never wrong, and if you are ever wrong, your taglines make it 
worth it.

E
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On May 9, 2012, at 5:01 PM, "Raul A. Gallegos"  wrote:

Hi Eric, I think what Neil was trying to get across was to suggest people slow 
down the speech to see if the problem still happens. Then if it does or 
doesn't, eventually you go back to the faster speed and you will be wiser so 
you can report to Apple. This is testing at a basic level. I have this problem, 
but choose to try and help out. So even if it means for a few hours, using the 
phone at slower speeds, I will see what I can find out and report to Apple. 
Now, Neil, if I have your intent wrong, please correct me.

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On 5/9/2012 3:37 PM, Eric SS wrote:
> Neil, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but what point is there in lowering
> speech rate to test if that is the issue. If you have the problem, you know
> it and knowing why you have it really does nothing.
> 
> If you can accept working with slower speech, I suppose that is a solution
> of sorts, but it makes about as much sense as telling someone with car
> troubles they will have to drive at half speed and all will be well.
> 
> I guess you could argue that half speed speech is better than an
> intermittent no speech, but only for a very patient customer. It is no
> solution at all for most customers and should not be to Apple, either. I
> doubt it is. It just really bugs me that they will not even acknowledge
> there is a problem and say it is on their list of things to fix. But, with
> so little feedback, compared to what they got from thousands and thousands
> of customers and hundreds of web writers and some real writers, too, and
> they still would not cop to the antenna issue, I don't expect we will ever
> hear anything on our little issue.
> 
> Eric
> 

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Re: Games

[Samara Raine]

No card games. Word games, facts, roleplaying, text adventures, etc. All 
awesome. Even no brainer games are nice. I saw a good amount on Applevis, 
but that can't be the only games accessible.


- Original Message - 
From: "Raul A. Gallegos" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 5:10 PM
Subject: Re: Games


Hi Samara. There are a whole bunch depending on what's your interest. 
Hanging with Friends if you like Hangman, Storm8 games if you like 
roleplaying, Cards Alone if you like Solitaire type games, Kings Corner, 
if you like Solitaire games. The list goes on and on.



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On 5/9/2012 5:05 PM, Samara Raine wrote:

What are some Voiceover accessible games that you guys really enjoy? I
have the new iPhone 4S and I'd like to have a few more games on here. I
want to get King of Dragon Pass, but I can't do that until I get a WiFi
connection somewhere. So any ideas? Do they have a hangman game by any
chance? Word searches, crossword puzzles, anything like that is also
awesome.
Sam

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Re: Games

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hi Samara. There are a whole bunch depending on what's your interest. 
Hanging with Friends if you like Hangman, Storm8 games if you like 
roleplaying, Cards Alone if you like Solitaire type games, Kings Corner, 
if you like Solitaire games. The list goes on and on.



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On 5/9/2012 5:05 PM, Samara Raine wrote:

What are some Voiceover accessible games that you guys really enjoy? I
have the new iPhone 4S and I'd like to have a few more games on here. I
want to get King of Dragon Pass, but I can't do that until I get a WiFi
connection somewhere. So any ideas? Do they have a hangman game by any
chance? Word searches, crossword puzzles, anything like that is also
awesome.
Sam

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Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hi Eric, I think what Neil was trying to get across was to suggest 
people slow down the speech to see if the problem still happens. Then if 
it does or doesn't, eventually you go back to the faster speed and you 
will be wiser so you can report to Apple. This is testing at a basic 
level. I have this problem, but choose to try and help out. So even if 
it means for a few hours, using the phone at slower speeds, I will see 
what I can find out and report to Apple. Now, Neil, if I have your 
intent wrong, please correct me.


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On 5/9/2012 3:37 PM, Eric SS wrote:

Neil, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but what point is there in lowering
speech rate to test if that is the issue. If you have the problem, you know
it and knowing why you have it really does nothing.

If you can accept working with slower speech, I suppose that is a solution
of sorts, but it makes about as much sense as telling someone with car
troubles they will have to drive at half speed and all will be well.

I guess you could argue that half speed speech is better than an
intermittent no speech, but only for a very patient customer. It is no
solution at all for most customers and should not be to Apple, either. I
doubt it is. It just really bugs me that they will not even acknowledge
there is a problem and say it is on their list of things to fix. But, with
so little feedback, compared to what they got from thousands and thousands
of customers and hundreds of web writers and some real writers, too, and
they still would not cop to the antenna issue, I don't expect we will ever
hear anything on our little issue.

Eric



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Games

[Samara Raine]

What are some Voiceover accessible games that you guys really enjoy? I have the 
new iPhone 4S and I'd like to have a few more games on here. I want to get King 
of Dragon Pass, but I can't do that until I get a WiFi connection somewhere. So 
any ideas? Do they have a hangman game by any chance? Word searches, crossword 
puzzles, anything like that is also awesome.

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RE: Moving and replacing programs on teh screen?

[Ramy Moustafa]

Aha, success, thanks in advance, but I have some things disappeared, like
the calendar and the reminder, I can't find them on all pages,

Any ideas, on how to find them?

 

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lois Butterfield
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 1:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Moving and replacing programs on teh screen?

 

Oh my, don't be sorry for asking anything.  Just double tap and hold, and
slide your finger to the edge of the screen until you hear it say the next
page.  It also makes a noise so you know when it happens.

 

Lois

 

From: Ramy   Moustafa 

Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:50 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: RE: Moving and replacing programs on teh screen?

 

Ok, but sorry for asking, how can I move it to another page?

 

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Lois Butterfield
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Moving and replacing programs on teh screen?

 

Hi,

 

Just tap on the folder.  When it opens, just move one of the programs out.
It's just a matter of moving them around without putting one on top of the
other.  You may have to move one to another page to get the arrangement you
want.  You can then move it back to the right page.

 

Good luck.

 

Lois

 

From: Ramy   Moustafa 

Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:40 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Moving and replacing programs on teh screen?

 

 

 

HI all:

 

I neeed to replace a program with another program on the screen, I double
tap then hold, but when I went to the program that I need to exchange wit, I
got a new folder, and I must put the 2 programs in this folder, why is this?
How can I remove the 2 applications from this folder and put them back on
the screen?

And if I need to exchange bitween 2 programs, exchange places, how can I do
that?

 

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Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

just because the issue only began with iOS v5.0, this does not exclude it being 
related to the speed of the synth.

it maybe that previous coding of the OS allowed without issue the speed that 
some users like, but, that coding in iOS v5.0 does not.

I'm not saying that it is the speed issue, but, that it seems plausible, and 
without anyone who has the issue, declaring that they have the issue, with 
speed below 60% then we cannot rule it out.

more over, we know that the iOS device continues to operate normally, only the 
speech stops, leading me to consider it a synth specific issue.

the people who have the issue, seem to have the speed set high, were as, those 
who say they do not, seem to have it set at 50% or less.


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On 9 May 2012, at 18:04, Kirsten Edmondson wrote:

If we're talking about the bug which started with ioos5 where vo and sounds 
freeze and return after a while or once power down or screen locking. It cannot 
be what you say. It only started with 5 but I function between 40 & 60% speed. 
I have a 3GS running Samantha but I know of people using 4 & 4s on Australian 
voice. 


Sent from my iPhone

On 9 May 2012, at 16:34, Ed Worrell  wrote:

> Hello all, I have my Voiceover rate set at 100% on an iPhone 4 and I am not 
> having the issues of speech stoping for a minute or more. 
> 
> Ed
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Re: For emergency purposes only error?

[Woody Anna Dresner]

Hi,

Did they set a passcode to use the phone? Maybe they did, and they aren't 
entering it correctly.

Best,
Anna



On May 9, 2012, at 2:40 PM, Jenifer Gilley wrote:

> That would not surprise me, but I'm not sure. They said they did.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On May 9, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:
> 
>> Maybe they didn't pay there bill.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Verizon iPhone!
>> 
>> On May 9, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Jenifer Gilley  wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all.
 I am trying to help someone out.  They have an iPhone 4.  All of a sudden 
 they started getting a message when trying to unlock the phone that says 
 "for emergency calls only."  They have used the phone successfully before. 
  Any suggestions?
 Thanks.
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Re: For emergency purposes only error?

[Anthony Vece]

Jenifer;

I wasn't trying to be nasty.  I know that's what usually occurs when the
bill isn't paid.

Anthony



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On May 9, 2012, at 3:40 PM, Jenifer Gilley  wrote:

That would not surprise me, but I'm not sure. They said they did.

Sent from my iPhone

On May 9, 2012, at 3:27 PM, Anthony Vece  wrote:

Maybe they didn't pay there bill.


Sent from my Verizon iPhone!

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Hi all.

I am trying to help someone out.  They have an iPhone 4.  All of a sudden
they started getting a message when trying to unlock the phone that says
"for emergency calls only."  They have used the phone successfully before.
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Re: For emergency purposes only error?

[Jenifer Gilley]

That would not surprise me, but I'm not sure. They said they did.

Sent from my iPhone

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> Maybe they didn't pay there bill.
> 
> 
> Sent from my Verizon iPhone!
> 
> On May 9, 2012, at 3:26 PM, Jenifer Gilley  wrote:
> 
>> Hi all.
>>> I am trying to help someone out.  They have an iPhone 4.  All of a sudden 
>>> they started getting a message when trying to unlock the phone that says 
>>> "for emergency calls only."  They have used the phone successfully before.  
>>> Any suggestions?
>>> Thanks.
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RE: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug

[Eric SS]

Neil, I don't mean to be disrespectful, but what point is there in lowering
speech rate to test if that is the issue. If you have the problem, you know
it and knowing why you have it really does nothing.

If you can accept working with slower speech, I suppose that is a solution
of sorts, but it makes about as much sense as telling someone with car
troubles they will have to drive at half speed and all will be well.

I guess you could argue that half speed speech is better than an
intermittent no speech, but only for a very patient customer. It is no
solution at all for most customers and should not be to Apple, either. I
doubt it is. It just really bugs me that they will not even acknowledge
there is a problem and say it is on their list of things to fix. But, with
so little feedback, compared to what they got from thousands and thousands
of customers and hundreds of web writers and some real writers, too, and
they still would not cop to the antenna issue, I don't expect we will ever
hear anything on our little issue.

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Re: For emergency purposes only error?

[Anthony Vece]

Maybe they didn't pay there bill.


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For emergency purposes only error?

[Jenifer Gilley]

Hi all.
> I am trying to help someone out.  They have an iPhone 4.  All of a sudden 
> they started getting a message when trying to unlock the phone that says "for 
> emergency calls only."  They have used the phone successfully before.  Any 
> suggestions?
> Thanks.

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Looking for Nbc Chime as Ringtone

[Steve]

BlankMary,

I assume you know how to create ringtones.  You can go to:
http://www.youtube-mp3.com
In the edit box, enter this Youtube Link:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Ev1xhRvY-A


Now, when it converts the ringtone to an mp3, save it to your computer.  You 
can use one of the common conversion programs to convert it to an .m4R file. 
The editor I use converts it to .m4A and then I just rename the extension to 
.m4r and put it in my ringtone folder.
Secret Service: Where we emphasize Service over Secret

Steve
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re: Apple Blew It

[Steve]

BlankSorry Jay,

Perhaps, if you had a Hims product, you might not be so amused.

Apple did blow it, they were the ones who screwed up the accessibility in 
IOS 5.0.  Prior to that, many of us had trouble re-pairing the BrailleNote 
products from Humanware.


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LaDiDa

[Samara Raine]

Hey. Do any of you use the LaDiDa app with Voiceover? I just got it yesterday 
and oh man, I'm in love. It's so much fun. My friends and I have already 
recorded a few songs.

If anyone here uses it, do you know how I might go about purchasing more music 
styles? Where should I go with Voiceover to do this? I just can't find aany 
mention of it, though I do know it is possible.

Thank you so much! This list is an incredible resource.

Sam

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Re: copying and pasting

[Anthony Vece]

Hi Jenny;

Esther does good messages on whatever she writes about.

Anthony


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On May 9, 2012, at 1:43 PM, Jennie Facer  wrote:

> Hi Danielle,
>
> On a bluetooth keyboard, if you hold the shift key down and use your arrows, 
> you can selevct text this way. As far as pasting it, I will have to play with 
> this more. Ester did a good message on this if you can find it in the 
> archives.
>
> Hope this helps,
>
> Jenn
>
> On May 8, 2012 at 17:57:20 MDT, Danielle McCullough 
>  wrote:
> I only know how too select all and copy and paste it, as it's in the edit 
> section of the roter, but need to know how to select letters and words etc.
>
> Very best wishes,
>
> Danielle
>
>
>
> On 9 May 2012, at 12:30 AM, "Ramy Moustafa"  
> wrote:
>
>> Danniel:
>> Please, how can I select the text and copy and paste it?/
>>
>> Thanks in advance
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers:
>> Ramy Moustafa
>> Owner and producer of Harmony recording studios
>> skype:
>> roma30
>> Facebook:
>> moustafa.r...@gmail.com
>> Twitter:
>> Ramymoustafa
>> youtube chanael:
>> www.youtube.com/ramymoustafasaber
>>
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Danielle McCullough
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 5:49 PM
>> To: Viphone
>> Subject: copying and pasting
>>
>> Hi guys,
>>
>> Can anyone please give me a dumby's guide to copying and pasting? I can
>> select all and copy and paste, but can't seem to get it to select work by
>> word, or line by line. I need to know, both how to do it wth a bluetooth
>> keyboard and without.
>>
>> Really hope someone can help me.
>>
>> Best wishes,
>>
>> Danielle
>>
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Re: copying and pasting

[Jennie Facer]

Hi Danielle,

On a bluetooth keyboard, if you hold the shift key down and use your arrows, 
you can selevct text this way. As far as pasting it, I will have to play with 
this more. Ester did a good message on this if you can find it in the archives.

Hope this helps,

Jenn

On May 8, 2012 at 17:57:20 MDT, Danielle McCullough 
 wrote:
I only know how too select all and copy and paste it, as it's in the edit 
section of the roter, but need to know how to select letters and words etc. 

Very best wishes, 

Danielle 



On 9 May 2012, at 12:30 AM, "Ramy Moustafa"  wrote: 

> Danniel: 
> Please, how can I select the text and copy and paste it?/ 
> 
> Thanks in advance 
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers: 
> Ramy Moustafa 
> Owner and producer of Harmony recording studios 
> skype: 
> roma30 
> Facebook: 
> moustafa.r...@gmail.com 
> Twitter: 
> Ramymoustafa 
> youtube chanael: 
> www.youtube.com/ramymoustafasaber 
> 
> 
> -Original Message- 
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
> Of Danielle McCullough 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 5:49 PM 
> To: Viphone 
> Subject: copying and pasting 
> 
> Hi guys, 
> 
> Can anyone please give me a dumby's guide to copying and pasting? I can 
> select all and copy and paste, but can't seem to get it to select work by 
> word, or line by line. I need to know, both how to do it wth a bluetooth 
> keyboard and without. 
> 
> Really hope someone can help me. 
> 
> Best wishes, 
> 
> Danielle 
> 
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Re: copying and pasting

[Holly]

Hello Danielle,

It's a little tricky, but here you go. First, make sure you are in an
edit box. Then use the roter to choose the navigation incrament in
which you wish to select: characters, words, etc. The navigate to
where you wish to start selecting, keeping in mind the way voice over
cursers work. Finally, place two fingers close together on the screen
and begin slowly moving them apart. If you do this carefully enough,
you will hear each character or word spoken as it is selected. If you
go too far, bring your fingers slowly back together in a pinching
gesture. This will begin deselecting. Like I said, this is a little
tricky, but it works with practice.

Holly and Ajax

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RE: How to tell if an app update downloads & installs

[Jennie Facer]

When you download using the phone and back up, the apps do show up on your 
computer. I download from the phone only.

Jenn

On May 9, 2012 at 10:39:02 MDT, Don & Cher Bosch  
wrote:
I think others have suggested this previously. Are there instructions 
written up somewhere? I may need to check into doing that. 



If you install directly on the phone, do the updates and apps get installed 
on the computer also when you back-UP or is there more danger of losing an
app or update? 



Cher 







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To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: How to tell if an app update downloads & installs 



I personally find it much easier to install apps via the phone. 



If you decide to give it a go, come back if you're not sure what to do. 



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To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:58 AM
Subject: How to tell if an app update downloads & installs 

> I'm unable to tell if a free app update downloads or even 
> if it installs when I sync with JAWS 13. Can't tell for 
> sure if apps in the list are automatically selected and 
> looking all over the screen with JAWS cursor. Does not 
> help. Obviously I'm doing this on the PC, but it now 
> seems more difficult than previously. Where can I find 
> instructions for JAWS or others which I can follow step 
> by step? I've tried the user guide and list archives- but 
> no joy L
> 
> Cher 
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Re: Watch for This Possible Bug

[Kirsten Edmondson]

The Mac does this all the time, it's not yet been fixed, so perhaps it's 
similar here. 


Sent from my iPhone

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> This is one of those things you are not sure really happened and are not
> able to go back and do it again to check.
> 
> Twice now, I have been reading an E-mail on my IPhone 4S with the new IOS
> and a phrase has repeated itself. This last time was just now in Raul's note
> regarding moving items on the dock and the repeated phrase was that
> following the link he gave. The other was in a note from Nancy re:
> Digit-Eyes, but I cannot confirm the repeat was after a link or date, etc. I
> hit delete before it occurred to me.
> 
> I will definitely be paying closer attention and acting before reacting, but
> maybe others will see the same thing.
> 
> Eric
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Re: Problem with ear piece on 3gs

[matthew Dyer]

I have had it for  over 30 days.  I did not get a worenty  with it as I did not 
purtches it my gf's   mom got it for me.  It seems to be fi
On May 8, 2012, at 4:43 PM, Sean Paul wrote:e at the moment.

Matthew



> How long you had your phone? Still under warrantee?
> - Original Message - From: "matthew Dyer" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 15:19
> Subject: Re: Problem with ear piece on 3gs
> 
> 
> Yes I did and it didn't help.  I did use skype ios 4  today and it sounded 
> fine so It is just standered ccalls whare I have  the problem.
> 
> Matthew
> 
> 
> On May 7, 2012, at 11:31 PM, Woody Anna Dresner wrote:
> 
>> Hi matthew,
>> 
>> I imagine you tried this, but just in case, did turning up the volume while 
>> talking to someone on the phone help? That's usually the way to fix this 
>> sort of thing.
>> 
>> Best,
>> Anna
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 7, 2012, at 6:10 PM, matthew Dyer wrote:
>> 
>>> Hi all,
>>> 
>>> I am having issues with the ear piece on my iphone 3gs.  I am able to hear 
>>> the caller, but very faintly.  this just started today this afternoon when 
>>> I was trying to mmake a call.  Any one have this problem and how do you fix 
>>> it.  I tried restarting the phone with no effect.  I even looked in the 
>>> settings but did not find any thing that might have changed it.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> Matthew
>>> 
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Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug

[Kirsten Edmondson]

If we're talking about the bug which started with ioos5 where vo and sounds 
freeze and return after a while or once power down or screen locking. It cannot 
be what you say. It only started with 5 but I function between 40 & 60% speed. 
I have a 3GS running Samantha but I know of people using 4 & 4s on Australian 
voice. 


Sent from my iPhone

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> Hello all, I have my Voiceover rate set at 100% on an iPhone 4 and I am not 
> having the issues of speech stoping for a minute or more. 
> 
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Re: looking for nbc chime as ring tone

[Anthony Vece]

Hi Mary;

I do remember that tone very well.
However, you night have to go to one of the radio archive web sites
and, download it and, make it yourself.

Hope this helps.


Anthony


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On May 9, 2012, at 12:51 PM, Mary Otten  wrote:

> People who are over 50 may remember that on the NBC network, they use to have 
> a 3 tone chime that played on the hour on their radio network. I would love 
> to find this chime for use as a tone in my new IPhone 4S. No luck so far. 
> Does anybody remember what I'm talking about and know where I might find such 
> a ringtone?
>
> Mary
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looking for nbc chime as ring tone

[Mary Otten]

People who are over 50 may remember that on the NBC network, they use to have a 
3 tone chime that played on the hour on their radio network. I would love to 
find this chime for use as a tone in my new IPhone 4S. No luck so far. Does 
anybody remember what I'm talking about and know where I might find such a 
ringtone?

Mary

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RE: How to tell if an app update downloads & installs

[Don & Cher Bosch]

I think others have suggested this previously. Are there instructions
written up somewhere? I may need to check into doing that.

 

If you install directly on the phone, do the updates and apps get installed
on the computer also when you back-UP or is there more danger of losing an
app or update?

 

Cher

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Carol Pearson
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 10:27 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to tell if an app update downloads & installs

 

I personally find it much easier to install apps via the phone.

 

If you decide to give it a go, come back if you're not sure what to do.

 

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From: Don & Cher Bosch
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 12:58 AM
Subject: How to tell if an app update downloads & installs

> I'm unable to tell if a free app update downloads or even
> if it installs when I sync with JAWS 13. Can't tell for
> sure if apps in the list are automatically selected and
> looking all over the screen with JAWS cursor. Does not
> help. Obviously I'm doing this on the PC, but it now
> seems more difficult than previously. Where can I find
> instructions for JAWS or others which I can follow step
> by step? I've tried the user guide and list archives- but
> no joy L
> 
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RE: How to tell if an app update downloads & installs

[Don & Cher Bosch]

Jenn- 

Are you starting with the focus on the iPhone in the treeview? When I start
from there and tab, I'm not getting that info- just some fields that say
'read only' which JAWS cannot read. I'm having to use the JAWS cursor to
look over that cluttered multi-column layout screen. 

 

I also notice that the screen always stops reporting with time remaining on
the progress or saying 'step x of x' instead of saying 100% or anything I
can recognize as complete. Sometimes I see a '?Done' button, but nothing
seems consistent from one time to the next. I'm having more issues now than
last year, and am not sure why.

 

Cher

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Jennie Facer
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:38 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How to tell if an app update downloads & installs

 

I use jaws 13 also. What I do is find the volume button by tabbing around,
then I tab a couple more times, and it will say downloading one item or two
items. Tab again, and I can find out how long it takes to download. After
that, I sync it to the phone, and it installs.

 

Hope this helps,

 

Jenn

To the world you are someone but to someone you are the world!


On May 7, 2012, at 5:58 PM, Don & Cher Bosch 
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I'm unable to tell if a free app update downloads or even if it installs
when I sync with JAWS 13. Can't tell for sure if apps in the list are
automatically selected and looking all over the screen with JAWS cursor.
Does not help. Obviously I'm doing this on the PC, but it now seems more
difficult than previously. Where can I find instructions for JAWS or others
which I can follow step by step? I've tried the user guide and list
archives- but no joy L

 

Cher

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Re: Apple blew it.

[Mary Otten]

Right on, Richard. I have just written accessibility about this one, and I'm 
not even using a braille display. No free pass for apple when they blow it on 
accessibility they broke.
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Re: Possible game for us?

[Mary Otten]

I'll be curious to hear how you get on with audio invaders. I still miss my 
troopanum game that I had on a windows machine some long while back. Lots of 
very satisfying explosions etc in that one. 

Mary

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Re: twitter

[chris hallsworth]

I use the official Twitter app which is very accessible. Can be 
installed directly by going to settings, twitter, as of iOS 5 and later.



Christopher Hallsworth

On 09/05/2012 11:39, May McDonald wrote:

Hey there. I was wondering what people use for twitter on the IPhone?

May and Prince Noah



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Re: Apple blew it.

[Dan]

Hello,
For those using the Mac, under Tiger, there was a time when iTunes was hardly 
accessible. It took a few years to make it completely accessible. But still, 
that was when VoiceOver was first released, now there's Lion  and things have 
come a long way.
I also agree that in all reality, Apple doesn't owe us anything special. Quite 
honestly, I'm really pleased with what Apple has done in recent years. Just as 
they did on OS X, things will probably get even better for the iOS platform.
It is easy to get frustrated and that's part of the human condition.

On May 9, 2012, at 8:15 AM, paras shah wrote:

> I agree, I think some of us are spoiled when using apple products.
> Remember the time before Apple. Bugs happen and we need to give good
> feecback to apple.
> 
> On 5/9/12, Les Kriegler  wrote:
>> Hi Raul,
>> 
>> You just made my point.  It's the bashing of others that I find
>> objectionable.  That's why I responded to this thread, otherwise, I would
>> have let it drop.
>> 
>> Les
>> On May 9, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
>> 
>>> Hello Les. I would agree with you on this provided that people don't bash
>>> one another because of it. It's ok to vent, and it's ok to have a mature
>>> heated discussion, but it's not ok to bash and talk down to others.
>>> 
>>> Thanks.
>>> 
>>> --
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>>> I'm not 50. I'm $49.95 plus tax.
>>> Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com
>>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47
>>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/rgallegos74
>>> 
>>> On 5/9/2012 8:54 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
 I'd like to offer a suggestion.  Rather than criticizing people for
 complaining and adding to this thread, why not allow people to have their
 say and let it go.  I cannot blame someone for being frustrated if they
 lost access to a feature they had before an upgrade came out.  We're
 always told to upgrade the OS as it fixes bugs and security holes.  Yet,
 when we do and something is broken as a result and we express concerns
 about it, some are chastised for doing so.  No, Apple doesn't owe blind
 people access, and yes, people should keep writing Apple in a
 constructive manner.  But if people want to blow off steam, better they
 do it here than with Apple where they will likely be ignored.  JMO
 
 Les
 On May 9, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Not By Sight wrote:
 
> I always get a kick outta people that seem to think that in this case,
> Apple
> owes the blind community something in regards to full accessibility for
> every add on option out there on the market. Whine away people, whine
> away,
> it entertains me!
> 
> Jay
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
> Behalf
> Of Richard Turner
> Sent: May-08-12 4:54 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple blew it.
> 
> This is my last note on this topic.
> In this case, it is actually all Apples fault.  They had the HIMS
> drivers
> working fine in IOS 5.0.  Apple broke that in 5.1 when they added the
> Humanware Brailliant BI.
> Since HIMS was coming out with a new braille display and a new note
> taker,
> they gave Apple the updated drivers shortly after 5.1 came out.
> Apple release 5.1.1 without doing anything about the problems they
> created
> with 5.1.
> 
> The calendar bug is 100 percent Apple's issue, not dependent on any
> third
> party.
> 
> I'm done now.
> I think I'll take a long break from this list now.
> 
> TTFN,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 8, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
> 
>> It's not all Apples fault either, the developers of the 3rd party
>> products
> need to fix there lose ends too, it's a two way street. Everything isn't
> Apple's fault.
>> 
>> Ed
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Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug

[Ed Worrell]

Hello all, I have my Voiceover rate set at 100% on an iPhone 4 and I am not 
having the issues of speech stoping for a minute or more. 

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Re: Apple blew it.

[paras shah]

I agree, I think some of us are spoiled when using apple products.
Remember the time before Apple. Bugs happen and we need to give good
feecback to apple.

On 5/9/12, Les Kriegler  wrote:
> Hi Raul,
>
> You just made my point.  It's the bashing of others that I find
> objectionable.  That's why I responded to this thread, otherwise, I would
> have let it drop.
>
> Les
> On May 9, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:
>
>> Hello Les. I would agree with you on this provided that people don't bash
>> one another because of it. It's ok to vent, and it's ok to have a mature
>> heated discussion, but it's not ok to bash and talk down to others.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> --
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>> I'm not 50. I'm $49.95 plus tax.
>> Home Page: http://raulgallegos.com
>> Twitter: https://twitter.com/rau47
>> Facebook: http://facebook.com/rgallegos74
>>
>> On 5/9/2012 8:54 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>>> I'd like to offer a suggestion.  Rather than criticizing people for
>>> complaining and adding to this thread, why not allow people to have their
>>> say and let it go.  I cannot blame someone for being frustrated if they
>>> lost access to a feature they had before an upgrade came out.  We're
>>> always told to upgrade the OS as it fixes bugs and security holes.  Yet,
>>> when we do and something is broken as a result and we express concerns
>>> about it, some are chastised for doing so.  No, Apple doesn't owe blind
>>> people access, and yes, people should keep writing Apple in a
>>> constructive manner.  But if people want to blow off steam, better they
>>> do it here than with Apple where they will likely be ignored.  JMO
>>>
>>> Les
>>> On May 9, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Not By Sight wrote:
>>>
 I always get a kick outta people that seem to think that in this case,
 Apple
 owes the blind community something in regards to full accessibility for
 every add on option out there on the market. Whine away people, whine
 away,
 it entertains me!

 Jay

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Richard Turner
 Sent: May-08-12 4:54 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Apple blew it.

 This is my last note on this topic.
 In this case, it is actually all Apples fault.  They had the HIMS
 drivers
 working fine in IOS 5.0.  Apple broke that in 5.1 when they added the
 Humanware Brailliant BI.
 Since HIMS was coming out with a new braille display and a new note
 taker,
 they gave Apple the updated drivers shortly after 5.1 came out.
 Apple release 5.1.1 without doing anything about the problems they
 created
 with 5.1.

 The calendar bug is 100 percent Apple's issue, not dependent on any
 third
 party.

 I'm done now.
 I think I'll take a long break from this list now.

 TTFN,
 Richard




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> It's not all Apples fault either, the developers of the 3rd party
> products
 need to fix there lose ends too, it's a two way street. Everything isn't
 Apple's fault.
>
> Ed
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Re: Apple blew it.

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Raul,

You just made my point.  It's the bashing of others that I find objectionable.  
That's why I responded to this thread, otherwise, I would have let it drop.

Les
On May 9, 2012, at 9:00 AM, Raul A. Gallegos wrote:

> Hello Les. I would agree with you on this provided that people don't bash one 
> another because of it. It's ok to vent, and it's ok to have a mature heated 
> discussion, but it's not ok to bash and talk down to others.
> 
> Thanks.
> 
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> On 5/9/2012 8:54 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:
>> I'd like to offer a suggestion.  Rather than criticizing people for 
>> complaining and adding to this thread, why not allow people to have their 
>> say and let it go.  I cannot blame someone for being frustrated if they lost 
>> access to a feature they had before an upgrade came out.  We're always told 
>> to upgrade the OS as it fixes bugs and security holes.  Yet, when we do and 
>> something is broken as a result and we express concerns about it, some are 
>> chastised for doing so.  No, Apple doesn't owe blind people access, and yes, 
>> people should keep writing Apple in a constructive manner.  But if people 
>> want to blow off steam, better they do it here than with Apple where they 
>> will likely be ignored.  JMO
>> 
>> Les
>> On May 9, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Not By Sight wrote:
>> 
>>> I always get a kick outta people that seem to think that in this case, Apple
>>> owes the blind community something in regards to full accessibility for
>>> every add on option out there on the market. Whine away people, whine away,
>>> it entertains me!
>>> 
>>> Jay
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>>> Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: May-08-12 4:54 PM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Apple blew it.
>>> 
>>> This is my last note on this topic.
>>> In this case, it is actually all Apples fault.  They had the HIMS drivers
>>> working fine in IOS 5.0.  Apple broke that in 5.1 when they added the
>>> Humanware Brailliant BI.
>>> Since HIMS was coming out with a new braille display and a new note taker,
>>> they gave Apple the updated drivers shortly after 5.1 came out.
>>> Apple release 5.1.1 without doing anything about the problems they created
>>> with 5.1.
>>> 
>>> The calendar bug is 100 percent Apple's issue, not dependent on any third
>>> party.
>>> 
>>> I'm done now.
>>> I think I'll take a long break from this list now.
>>> 
>>> TTFN,
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> On May 8, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>>> 
 It's not all Apples fault either, the developers of the 3rd party products
>>> need to fix there lose ends too, it's a two way street. Everything isn't
>>> Apple's fault.
 
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Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

well we've not been discussing that as a possible issue. The issue at hand is 
whether or not an iOS device without peripheral attached effectively stalls, in 
terms of Voice Over speech, for up to 60 - 90 seconds, as a result of, as I 
suspect, very high speech rates being employed.




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On 9 May 2012, at 15:31, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

No, but at times Bo loses focus when I habe it connected to my braille display 
and nor have I ever had the issue you describe although I started with the I 
phone 4 and now use the 4 S.

On 9 May 2012, at 03:27 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
wrote:

> Kawal,
> 
> But, you do not have this issue right? the issue where Voice Over stops 
> speaking for 60 - 90 seconds at a time.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> www.neilbarnfather.com
> 
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> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
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> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 9 May 2012, at 15:25, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
> Hello Neil.
> 
> I have my speech at 50% as higher, Boice Over cuts words.  However I use 
> Samantha as she's micer than Daniel and this goes for Seri too.  
> 
> On 9 May 2012, at 03:11 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
> wrote:
> 
>> Chris,
>> 
>> In fact the only thing I see that you all have in common, that is, those of 
>> you who have this Voice Over stop speaking bug, is that your synth speed is 
>> set very fast.
>> 
>> The only way to test if a lower speed fixes it, is to reduce your speed.
>> 
>> I do not have the issue, never have and I have owned all three versions of 
>> the iPad, and have owned an iPhone 3GS, 4 and now the 4S.
>> 
>> So that's 6 iOS devices, and never had the issue, but, I have my speech rate 
>> set to just 40%.
>> 
>> Does anyone with the speech stopping issue, have their synth rate set at a 
>> more moderate level say, 60% or less?
>> 
>> If we can find a user who has their synth speed at 60% or less, who has the 
>> issue, then I'll begin to consider it being a different cause of this issue, 
>> but, the more I talk to folk about this, the more those who suffer it seem 
>> to have in common.
>> 
>> That is, a tendency to be running your Voice Over synth up at 90% - 100%.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> www.neilbarnfather.com
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 8 May 2012, at 18:08, Cristobal wrote:
>> 
>> If it were in fact caused by something innocuous as the speech rate being
>> above fifty percent or so or some other variant such as the app switcher
>> having x number of apps in it or not turning the device off and on, that in
>> itself could and should be considered as a major bug that Apple hasn't
>> addressed either.
>> 
>> I personally have my speech rate set to one hundred percent. I think I would
>> go crazy trying to use my phone at half that speed for any length of time.
>> Maybe someone can go ahead and give it a try and see if that's really a
>> contributor, but I doubt it since so many of us have experienced this
>> particular bug under all sorts of circumstances and situations across
>> various iPhone and iPad models.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:51 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out
>> 
>> even if you clear the app switcher regularly, do you power cycle daily, I
>> mean turn it off and back on again?
>> 
>> I also would suggest turning down the speech rate temporarily.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> www.neilbarnfather.com
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 8 May 2012, at 16:46, Danielle McCullough wrote:
>> 
>> I never leave things in the app switcher anyway, so I think that that out.
>> I'll live with it, but maybe they'll fix it, lol.
>> 
>> Danielle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 8 May 2012, at 04:05 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Danielle,

Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

No, but at times Bo loses focus when I habe it connected to my braille display 
and nor have I ever had the issue you describe although I started with the I 
phone 4 and now use the 4 S.

On 9 May 2012, at 03:27 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
wrote:

> Kawal,
> 
> But, you do not have this issue right? the issue where Voice Over stops 
> speaking for 60 - 90 seconds at a time.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> www.neilbarnfather.com
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 9 May 2012, at 15:25, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:
> 
> Hello Neil.
> 
> I have my speech at 50% as higher, Boice Over cuts words.  However I use 
> Samantha as she's micer than Daniel and this goes for Seri too.  
> 
> On 9 May 2012, at 03:11 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
> wrote:
> 
>> Chris,
>> 
>> In fact the only thing I see that you all have in common, that is, those of 
>> you who have this Voice Over stop speaking bug, is that your synth speed is 
>> set very fast.
>> 
>> The only way to test if a lower speed fixes it, is to reduce your speed.
>> 
>> I do not have the issue, never have and I have owned all three versions of 
>> the iPad, and have owned an iPhone 3GS, 4 and now the 4S.
>> 
>> So that's 6 iOS devices, and never had the issue, but, I have my speech rate 
>> set to just 40%.
>> 
>> Does anyone with the speech stopping issue, have their synth rate set at a 
>> more moderate level say, 60% or less?
>> 
>> If we can find a user who has their synth speed at 60% or less, who has the 
>> issue, then I'll begin to consider it being a different cause of this issue, 
>> but, the more I talk to folk about this, the more those who suffer it seem 
>> to have in common.
>> 
>> That is, a tendency to be running your Voice Over synth up at 90% - 100%.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> www.neilbarnfather.com
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 8 May 2012, at 18:08, Cristobal wrote:
>> 
>> If it were in fact caused by something innocuous as the speech rate being
>> above fifty percent or so or some other variant such as the app switcher
>> having x number of apps in it or not turning the device off and on, that in
>> itself could and should be considered as a major bug that Apple hasn't
>> addressed either.
>> 
>> I personally have my speech rate set to one hundred percent. I think I would
>> go crazy trying to use my phone at half that speed for any length of time.
>> Maybe someone can go ahead and give it a try and see if that's really a
>> contributor, but I doubt it since so many of us have experienced this
>> particular bug under all sorts of circumstances and situations across
>> various iPhone and iPad models.
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
>> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:51 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out
>> 
>> even if you clear the app switcher regularly, do you power cycle daily, I
>> mean turn it off and back on again?
>> 
>> I also would suggest turning down the speech rate temporarily.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> www.neilbarnfather.com
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
>> URL: - www.talknav.com
>> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 8 May 2012, at 16:46, Danielle McCullough wrote:
>> 
>> I never leave things in the app switcher anyway, so I think that that out.
>> I'll live with it, but maybe they'll fix it, lol.
>> 
>> Danielle
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 8 May 2012, at 04:05 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
>> wrote:
>> 
>>> Danielle,
>>> 
>>> It would be my strong guess that it is a mixed issue primarily relating to
>> screen reader synth speed, available processor at the time, RAM, apps
>> running at the time etc.
>>> 
>>> one thing to try, and I appreciate that you'll not want to do this for
>> long, but, humour me, try for 48 hours doing the below and seeing if the
>> issue resolves.
>>> 
>>> A: speech rate no more than 60%,
>>> clear your app switcher twice daily, with one of these clearings occurring
>> in the evening, immediately followed by a power cycle.
>>> 
>>> It is my belief that the issue will go away, I'd be interested to see.
>>> 
>>> if it does, keep clearing the a

Re: iBird Explorer Pro and iBird United Kingdom & Ireland apps on sale for $0.99

[fred olver]

I did see them, they were listed right under Ibird explorer pro in the U.S. 
store.

Fred Olver
  - Original Message - 
  From: Robin Frost 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 9:27 AM
  Subject: Re: iBird Explorer Pro and iBird United Kingdom & Ireland apps on 
sale for $0.99


  Hi,
  Interestingly I saw no references to the UK or Ireland versions available in 
the US app store much to my great disappointment.  Perhaps there's a way to 
purchase them from within the app but as of now I haven't yet found it.
  But I agree thanks are in order to Esther for the tip it is a really neat app.
  Robin



  From: igor_kaplan 
  Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:17 AM
  To: VIPhone 
  Subject: Re: iBird Explorer Pro and iBird United Kingdom & Ireland apps on 
sale for $0.99


  Thanks Esther,

I have heard about this application earlyer, never thought to buy
  it, yesterday I bought it and discoverred it for myself. Really
  wanderful program, I like it a lot! I just wander, this application
  contains american birds only, may be there are any similar programs,
  which have birds sounds from other parts of the world beside America
  and U. K. Would be very interesting to hear birds from Africa for
  example!

All the best!

Igor.

  Esther wrote:
  > Hi All,
  >
  > I know that some of you like and use birdsong apps.  The iBird Explorer Pro 
app is currently on sale for $0.99 to celebrate iBird's 3-year anniversary.  
This is their premier app that normally costs $29.99 (although they've recently 
reduced the price to $14.99 before this sale). It lists 924 birds of North 
America with an extensive repertoire of audio sound tracks and description of 
habits, habitat, phonetic rendition of characteristic calls, etc., and with 
professional extra features over the iBird Explorer Plus app, and is a 
universal binary.  The other apps on sale for $0.99 are the iBird United 
Kingdom & Ireland app (price dropped from $4.99) and the iBird Pro HD app 
(dropped from $9.99) that is specifically for the iPad.  This is a limited time 
sale. I'm cc'ing to the macvisionaries group, as well.  Here are the app store 
links:
  > • iBird Explorer Pro
  > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ibird-explorer-pro/id308018823?mt=8
  > • iBird UK & Ireland
  > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ibird-united-kingdom-ireland/id424729739?mt=8
  > • iBird Pro HD (iPad only)
  > http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ibird-pro-hd/id387946719?mt=8
  >
  > HTH.  Cheers,
  >
  > Esther

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Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Kawal,

But, you do not have this issue right? the issue where Voice Over stops 
speaking for 60 - 90 seconds at a time.


Regards,

Neil Barnfather

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On 9 May 2012, at 15:25, Kawal Gucukoglu wrote:

Hello Neil.

I have my speech at 50% as higher, Boice Over cuts words.  However I use 
Samantha as she's micer than Daniel and this goes for Seri too.  

On 9 May 2012, at 03:11 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
wrote:

> Chris,
> 
> In fact the only thing I see that you all have in common, that is, those of 
> you who have this Voice Over stop speaking bug, is that your synth speed is 
> set very fast.
> 
> The only way to test if a lower speed fixes it, is to reduce your speed.
> 
> I do not have the issue, never have and I have owned all three versions of 
> the iPad, and have owned an iPhone 3GS, 4 and now the 4S.
> 
> So that's 6 iOS devices, and never had the issue, but, I have my speech rate 
> set to just 40%.
> 
> Does anyone with the speech stopping issue, have their synth rate set at a 
> more moderate level say, 60% or less?
> 
> If we can find a user who has their synth speed at 60% or less, who has the 
> issue, then I'll begin to consider it being a different cause of this issue, 
> but, the more I talk to folk about this, the more those who suffer it seem to 
> have in common.
> 
> That is, a tendency to be running your Voice Over synth up at 90% - 100%.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> www.neilbarnfather.com
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8 May 2012, at 18:08, Cristobal wrote:
> 
> If it were in fact caused by something innocuous as the speech rate being
> above fifty percent or so or some other variant such as the app switcher
> having x number of apps in it or not turning the device off and on, that in
> itself could and should be considered as a major bug that Apple hasn't
> addressed either.
> 
> I personally have my speech rate set to one hundred percent. I think I would
> go crazy trying to use my phone at half that speed for any length of time.
> Maybe someone can go ahead and give it a try and see if that's really a
> contributor, but I doubt it since so many of us have experienced this
> particular bug under all sorts of circumstances and situations across
> various iPhone and iPad models.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out
> 
> even if you clear the app switcher regularly, do you power cycle daily, I
> mean turn it off and back on again?
> 
> I also would suggest turning down the speech rate temporarily.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> www.neilbarnfather.com
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
> URL: - www.talknav.com
> e-mail: - serv...@talknav.com
> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8 May 2012, at 16:46, Danielle McCullough wrote:
> 
> I never leave things in the app switcher anyway, so I think that that out.
> I'll live with it, but maybe they'll fix it, lol.
> 
> Danielle
> 
> 
> 
> On 8 May 2012, at 04:05 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
> wrote:
> 
>> Danielle,
>> 
>> It would be my strong guess that it is a mixed issue primarily relating to
> screen reader synth speed, available processor at the time, RAM, apps
> running at the time etc.
>> 
>> one thing to try, and I appreciate that you'll not want to do this for
> long, but, humour me, try for 48 hours doing the below and seeing if the
> issue resolves.
>> 
>> A: speech rate no more than 60%,
>> clear your app switcher twice daily, with one of these clearings occurring
> in the evening, immediately followed by a power cycle.
>> 
>> It is my belief that the issue will go away, I'd be interested to see.
>> 
>> if it does, keep clearing the apps, and power cycling once a day after one
> of the app switcher clear outs, and slowly increase the speech rate, and I
> mean slowly, say 65% and upwards in 5% increments.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
>> Talks List Administrator
>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> www.neilbarnfather.com
>> 
>> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your 
>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.tal

Re: iBird Explorer Pro and iBird United Kingdom & Ireland apps on sale for $0.99

[Robin Frost]

Hi,
Interestingly I saw no references to the UK or Ireland versions available in 
the US app store much to my great disappointment.  Perhaps there's a way to 
purchase them from within the app but as of now I haven't yet found it.
But I agree thanks are in order to Esther for the tip it is a really neat app.
Robin



From: igor_kaplan 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 7:17 AM
To: VIPhone 
Subject: Re: iBird Explorer Pro and iBird United Kingdom & Ireland apps on sale 
for $0.99


Thanks Esther,

  I have heard about this application earlyer, never thought to buy
it, yesterday I bought it and discoverred it for myself. Really
wanderful program, I like it a lot! I just wander, this application
contains american birds only, may be there are any similar programs,
which have birds sounds from other parts of the world beside America
and U. K. Would be very interesting to hear birds from Africa for
example!

  All the best!

  Igor.

Esther wrote:
> Hi All,
>
> I know that some of you like and use birdsong apps.  The iBird Explorer Pro 
> app is currently on sale for $0.99 to celebrate iBird's 3-year anniversary.  
> This is their premier app that normally costs $29.99 (although they've 
> recently reduced the price to $14.99 before this sale). It lists 924 birds of 
> North America with an extensive repertoire of audio sound tracks and 
> description of habits, habitat, phonetic rendition of characteristic calls, 
> etc., and with professional extra features over the iBird Explorer Plus app, 
> and is a universal binary.  The other apps on sale for $0.99 are the iBird 
> United Kingdom & Ireland app (price dropped from $4.99) and the iBird Pro HD 
> app (dropped from $9.99) that is specifically for the iPad.  This is a 
> limited time sale. I'm cc'ing to the macvisionaries group, as well.  Here are 
> the app store links:
> • iBird Explorer Pro
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ibird-explorer-pro/id308018823?mt=8
> • iBird UK & Ireland
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ibird-united-kingdom-ireland/id424729739?mt=8
> • iBird Pro HD (iPad only)
> http://itunes.apple.com/us/app/ibird-pro-hd/id387946719?mt=8
>
> HTH.  Cheers,
>
> Esther

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Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Hello Neil.

I have my speech at 50% as higher, Boice Over cuts words.  However I use 
Samantha as she's micer than Daniel and this goes for Seri too.  

On 9 May 2012, at 03:11 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav  
wrote:

> Chris,
> 
> In fact the only thing I see that you all have in common, that is, those of 
> you who have this Voice Over stop speaking bug, is that your synth speed is 
> set very fast.
> 
> The only way to test if a lower speed fixes it, is to reduce your speed.
> 
> I do not have the issue, never have and I have owned all three versions of 
> the iPad, and have owned an iPhone 3GS, 4 and now the 4S.
> 
> So that's 6 iOS devices, and never had the issue, but, I have my speech rate 
> set to just 40%.
> 
> Does anyone with the speech stopping issue, have their synth rate set at a 
> more moderate level say, 60% or less?
> 
> If we can find a user who has their synth speed at 60% or less, who has the 
> issue, then I'll begin to consider it being a different cause of this issue, 
> but, the more I talk to folk about this, the more those who suffer it seem to 
> have in common.
> 
> That is, a tendency to be running your Voice Over synth up at 90% - 100%.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
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> Twitter @neilbarnfather
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> 
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> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8 May 2012, at 18:08, Cristobal wrote:
> 
> If it were in fact caused by something innocuous as the speech rate being
> above fifty percent or so or some other variant such as the app switcher
> having x number of apps in it or not turning the device off and on, that in
> itself could and should be considered as a major bug that Apple hasn't
> addressed either.
> 
> I personally have my speech rate set to one hundred percent. I think I would
> go crazy trying to use my phone at half that speed for any length of time.
> Maybe someone can go ahead and give it a try and see if that's really a
> contributor, but I doubt it since so many of us have experienced this
> particular bug under all sorts of circumstances and situations across
> various iPhone and iPad models.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:51 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out
> 
> even if you clear the app switcher regularly, do you power cycle daily, I
> mean turn it off and back on again?
> 
> I also would suggest turning down the speech rate temporarily.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8 May 2012, at 16:46, Danielle McCullough wrote:
> 
> I never leave things in the app switcher anyway, so I think that that out.
> I'll live with it, but maybe they'll fix it, lol.
> 
> Danielle
> 
> 
> 
> On 8 May 2012, at 04:05 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
> wrote:
> 
>> Danielle,
>> 
>> It would be my strong guess that it is a mixed issue primarily relating to
> screen reader synth speed, available processor at the time, RAM, apps
> running at the time etc.
>> 
>> one thing to try, and I appreciate that you'll not want to do this for
> long, but, humour me, try for 48 hours doing the below and seeing if the
> issue resolves.
>> 
>> A: speech rate no more than 60%,
>> clear your app switcher twice daily, with one of these clearings occurring
> in the evening, immediately followed by a power cycle.
>> 
>> It is my belief that the issue will go away, I'd be interested to see.
>> 
>> if it does, keep clearing the apps, and power cycling once a day after one
> of the app switcher clear outs, and slowly increase the speech rate, and I
> mean slowly, say 65% and upwards in 5% increments.
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> Neil Barnfather
>> 
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>> Twitter @neilbarnfather
>> www.neilbarnfather.com
>> 
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>> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
>> 
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>> Phone: - +44  844 999 4199
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 8 May 2012, at 13:24, Danielle McCullough wrote:
>> 
>> Eric, I never said it was new, just irritating. Neil, I'm too impatient
> not to use it under a hundred percent. Strangely, I never experienced this
> before the 5.01 update. Funny how some people have it and some don't.
>> 
>> Danielle
>> - Original Message - From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" 
>> 
>> To:

Re: buying outside usa

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Amazon sell it.


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On 5 Apr 2012, at 17:29, Brent Harding wrote:

I've never really had a bank that allowed for adding second addresses, either 
you change the address on your account, or you order it sent to home. This is 
why if one had the situation, I would never want my bank address at a work 
place, as the boss has no business having your banking notices, the ones that 
one can't suppress paper delivery of completely.
 
- Original Message -
From: Ramy Moustafa
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 4:16 AM
Subject: RE: buying outside usa

L
I tried this and they  told me in the bank that it’s not available.
Any other site related to apple that we can get the mobile from?
 
 
 
Cheers:
Ramy Moustafa
Owner and producer of Harmony recording studios
skype:
roma30
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moustafa.r...@gmail.com
Twitter:
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youtube chanael:
www.youtube.com/ramymoustafasaber
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
K. F. Ifill
Sent: Thursday, April 05, 2012 6:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: buying outside usa
 
Hi there,
 
Check with your credit card provider. You should be able to assign an 
alternative address in the USA to your card if you so wish.  You could use the 
home address of a friend.  This is not illegal and can be arranged through your 
bank.
 
Regards
Kerry
 
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Ramy Moustafa
Sent: Wednesday, April 04, 2012 8:35 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: buying outside usa
 
 
 
Hi all:
 
I contacted apple shop yesterday and they told me that they accept veza from 
USA only, now don’t you know any web site that can sell tseh iphone 3gs 8 GB 
new but can acept veza outside USA? My friend is in USA but he will not be able 
to pay so I must pay from here.
Thanks
Help please
 
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www.youtube.com/ramymoustafasaber
 
 
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Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out Voiceover going silent bug

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

Chris,

In fact the only thing I see that you all have in common, that is, those of you 
who have this Voice Over stop speaking bug, is that your synth speed is set 
very fast.

The only way to test if a lower speed fixes it, is to reduce your speed.

I do not have the issue, never have and I have owned all three versions of the 
iPad, and have owned an iPhone 3GS, 4 and now the 4S.

So that's 6 iOS devices, and never had the issue, but, I have my speech rate 
set to just 40%.

Does anyone with the speech stopping issue, have their synth rate set at a more 
moderate level say, 60% or less?

If we can find a user who has their synth speed at 60% or less, who has the 
issue, then I'll begin to consider it being a different cause of this issue, 
but, the more I talk to folk about this, the more those who suffer it seem to 
have in common.

That is, a tendency to be running your Voice Over synth up at 90% - 100%.




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On 8 May 2012, at 18:08, Cristobal wrote:

If it were in fact caused by something innocuous as the speech rate being
above fifty percent or so or some other variant such as the app switcher
having x number of apps in it or not turning the device off and on, that in
itself could and should be considered as a major bug that Apple hasn't
addressed either.

I personally have my speech rate set to one hundred percent. I think I would
go crazy trying to use my phone at half that speed for any length of time.
Maybe someone can go ahead and give it a try and see if that's really a
contributor, but I doubt it since so many of us have experienced this
particular bug under all sorts of circumstances and situations across
various iPhone and iPad models.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Neil Barnfather - TalkNav
Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 9:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out

even if you clear the app switcher regularly, do you power cycle daily, I
mean turn it off and back on again?

I also would suggest turning down the speech rate temporarily.


Regards,

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On 8 May 2012, at 16:46, Danielle McCullough wrote:

I never leave things in the app switcher anyway, so I think that that out.
I'll live with it, but maybe they'll fix it, lol.

Danielle



On 8 May 2012, at 04:05 PM, Neil Barnfather - TalkNav 
wrote:

> Danielle,
> 
> It would be my strong guess that it is a mixed issue primarily relating to
screen reader synth speed, available processor at the time, RAM, apps
running at the time etc.
> 
> one thing to try, and I appreciate that you'll not want to do this for
long, but, humour me, try for 48 hours doing the below and seeing if the
issue resolves.
> 
> A: speech rate no more than 60%,
> clear your app switcher twice daily, with one of these clearings occurring
in the evening, immediately followed by a power cycle.
> 
> It is my belief that the issue will go away, I'd be interested to see.
> 
> if it does, keep clearing the apps, and power cycling once a day after one
of the app switcher clear outs, and slowly increase the speech rate, and I
mean slowly, say 65% and upwards in 5% increments.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> Neil Barnfather
> 
> Talks List Administrator
> Twitter @neilbarnfather
> www.neilbarnfather.com
> 
> TalkNav is a Nuance, Code Factory and Sendero dealer, for all your 
> accessible phone, PDA and GPS related enquiries visit www.talknav.com
> 
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> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 8 May 2012, at 13:24, Danielle McCullough wrote:
> 
> Eric, I never said it was new, just irritating. Neil, I'm too impatient
not to use it under a hundred percent. Strangely, I never experienced this
before the 5.01 update. Funny how some people have it and some don't.
> 
> Danielle
> - Original Message - From: "Neil Barnfather - TalkNav" 
> 
> To: 
> Sent: Tuesday, May 08, 2012 11:53 AM
> Subject: Re: iOS 5.1.1 is out
> 
> 
>> Eric,
>> 
>> Do you have your synth speed set to very fast, or quite slow, I believe
the default is about 30% or perhaps 40% but not faster.
>> 
>> I keep mine around 50% but never higher.
>> 
>> I also clear the switcher daily and restart.
>> 
>> in your posting you give no reference to if you clear the switcher and
restart your iOS device daily.
>> 
>> do you do both of these things and what rate 

Re: twitter

[Barbara Wilson]

Hi May

My prefered Twitter app is Twitterific.

Barbara

-Original Message- 
From: Neil Barnfather - TalkNav

Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: twitter

May,

I use the regular Twitter official app, I believe there are one or two minor 
limitations over accessibility, but, none that bother a moderate user such 
as myself.



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On 9 May 2012, at 14:08, Sean Paul wrote:

Heyya May-May!
I use tweetlist Pro.
- Original Message - From: "May McDonald" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 06:39
Subject: twitter



Hey there. I was wondering what people use for twitter on the IPhone?

May and Prince Noah

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Re: twitter

[Neil Barnfather - TalkNav]

May,

I use the regular Twitter official app, I believe there are one or two minor 
limitations over accessibility, but, none that bother a moderate user such as 
myself.


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On 9 May 2012, at 14:08, Sean Paul wrote:

Heyya May-May!
I use tweetlist Pro.
- Original Message - From: "May McDonald" 
To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 06:39
Subject: twitter


> Hey there. I was wondering what people use for twitter on the IPhone?
> 
> May and Prince Noah
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Re: twitter

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Heyya May-May!
I use tweetlist Pro.
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Re: Apple blew it.

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hello Les. I would agree with you on this provided that people don't 
bash one another because of it. It's ok to vent, and it's ok to have a 
mature heated discussion, but it's not ok to bash and talk down to others.


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On 5/9/2012 8:54 AM, Les Kriegler wrote:

I'd like to offer a suggestion.  Rather than criticizing people for complaining 
and adding to this thread, why not allow people to have their say and let it 
go.  I cannot blame someone for being frustrated if they lost access to a 
feature they had before an upgrade came out.  We're always told to upgrade the 
OS as it fixes bugs and security holes.  Yet, when we do and something is 
broken as a result and we express concerns about it, some are chastised for 
doing so.  No, Apple doesn't owe blind people access, and yes, people should 
keep writing Apple in a constructive manner.  But if people want to blow off 
steam, better they do it here than with Apple where they will likely be 
ignored.  JMO

Les
On May 9, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Not By Sight wrote:


I always get a kick outta people that seem to think that in this case, Apple
owes the blind community something in regards to full accessibility for
every add on option out there on the market. Whine away people, whine away,
it entertains me!

Jay

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Richard Turner
Sent: May-08-12 4:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple blew it.

This is my last note on this topic.
In this case, it is actually all Apples fault.  They had the HIMS drivers
working fine in IOS 5.0.  Apple broke that in 5.1 when they added the
Humanware Brailliant BI.
Since HIMS was coming out with a new braille display and a new note taker,
they gave Apple the updated drivers shortly after 5.1 came out.
Apple release 5.1.1 without doing anything about the problems they created
with 5.1.

The calendar bug is 100 percent Apple's issue, not dependent on any third
party.

I'm done now.
I think I'll take a long break from this list now.

TTFN,
Richard




On May 8, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Ed Worrell  wrote:


It's not all Apples fault either, the developers of the 3rd party products

need to fix there lose ends too, it's a two way street. Everything isn't
Apple's fault.


Ed

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Re: Ariadne and navigon questions

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hello Dan, when you start Ariadne, are you choosing the "start 
monitoring" button? I start Navigon first, and then switch over to 
Ariadne and leave it in the foreground while Navigon is in the background.


I hope this helps.

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On 5/8/2012 9:23 PM, dan thompson wrote:

Hi All,
I have finally got Navigon to work when walking or driving. However, I
can not get Ariadne to work in the background to tell names of streets
when passing them as some have said it will do. Can someone share a
little kind help. Thanks a bunch.
Dan Thompson
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Re: Apple blew it.

[Les Kriegler]

I'd like to offer a suggestion.  Rather than criticizing people for complaining 
and adding to this thread, why not allow people to have their say and let it 
go.  I cannot blame someone for being frustrated if they lost access to a 
feature they had before an upgrade came out.  We're always told to upgrade the 
OS as it fixes bugs and security holes.  Yet, when we do and something is 
broken as a result and we express concerns about it, some are chastised for 
doing so.  No, Apple doesn't owe blind people access, and yes, people should 
keep writing Apple in a constructive manner.  But if people want to blow off 
steam, better they do it here than with Apple where they will likely be 
ignored.  JMO

Les
On May 9, 2012, at 7:47 AM, Not By Sight wrote:

> I always get a kick outta people that seem to think that in this case, Apple
> owes the blind community something in regards to full accessibility for
> every add on option out there on the market. Whine away people, whine away,
> it entertains me!
> 
> Jay
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Richard Turner
> Sent: May-08-12 4:54 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple blew it.
> 
> This is my last note on this topic.
> In this case, it is actually all Apples fault.  They had the HIMS drivers
> working fine in IOS 5.0.  Apple broke that in 5.1 when they added the
> Humanware Brailliant BI.
> Since HIMS was coming out with a new braille display and a new note taker,
> they gave Apple the updated drivers shortly after 5.1 came out.
> Apple release 5.1.1 without doing anything about the problems they created
> with 5.1.
> 
> The calendar bug is 100 percent Apple's issue, not dependent on any third
> party.
> 
> I'm done now.
> I think I'll take a long break from this list now.
> 
> TTFN,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 8, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
> 
>> It's not all Apples fault either, the developers of the 3rd party products
> need to fix there lose ends too, it's a two way street. Everything isn't
> Apple's fault.
>> 
>> Ed
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Re: Adding a Gmail Account

[Samara Raine]

Thank you. Got it! Awesome.

Sam


- Original Message - 
From: "Ricardo Walker" 

To: 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 8:45 AM
Subject: Re: Adding a Gmail Account



Hi,

go to settings then Mail, contacts, calendars.  Once there, double tap the 
add acount button..


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On May 9, 2012, at 8:22 AM, Samara Raine  wrote:

Hey there everyone. I just got my new iPhone on saturday. I'm loving it 
so far and I'm eager to learn more.


What I can't remember how to do at the moment is how to add another 
e-mail account to my mail program. Can someone help me? Using Voiceover, 
of course.


Thank you so much.

Samara

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RE: Apple blew it.

[Daniel Miller]

Oh joy, let's all wine, moan and complain once again about apple not fixing
issues promptly just because someone has problems. You guys need to
understand that bugs are prioritized, so apple will fix what they deem
necessary of fixing first. That's not to say they won't fix said issue, all
this stuff takes time.
Take the skype issues, for example, many of us complained about that for
months on end, and guess what? It finally got fixed.


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Hi,

I think the U.S. government has very little to do with Apple's inclusion of
accessibility in most of  their products.

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On May 9, 2012, at 7:57 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Well put.  You know why Apple bow to the Accessibility?  Because the US
Government told them to or otherwise they would not do this.  No one owes us
a favour.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 9 May 2012, at 12:47 PM, Not By Sight  wrote:
> 
>> I always get a kick outta people that seem to think that in this 
>> case, Apple owes the blind community something in regards to full 
>> accessibility for every add on option out there on the market. Whine 
>> away people, whine away, it entertains me!
>> 
>> Jay
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
>> Behalf Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: May-08-12 4:54 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple blew it.
>> 
>> This is my last note on this topic.
>> In this case, it is actually all Apples fault.  They had the HIMS 
>> drivers working fine in IOS 5.0.  Apple broke that in 5.1 when they 
>> added the Humanware Brailliant BI.
>> Since HIMS was coming out with a new braille display and a new note 
>> taker, they gave Apple the updated drivers shortly after 5.1 came out.
>> Apple release 5.1.1 without doing anything about the problems they 
>> created with 5.1.
>> 
>> The calendar bug is 100 percent Apple's issue, not dependent on any 
>> third party.
>> 
>> I'm done now.
>> I think I'll take a long break from this list now.
>> 
>> TTFN,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 8, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>> 
>>> It's not all Apples fault either, the developers of the 3rd party 
>>> products
>> need to fix there lose ends too, it's a two way street. Everything 
>> isn't Apple's fault.
>>> 
>>> Ed
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Re: Mark On iPhone On Trekker Breeze

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hello Krister. I'm with you in that I would rather go for an 
off-the-shelf, or mainstream product which can address my GPS needs. At 
least, as long as the program can be used by me. Right now, the 
combination is Navigon and Ariadne. Some will argue that using two apps 
to accomplish one thing is not acceptable, but I would disagree. After 
all, many of those same people already use two or more apps to do other 
same things. For example, Dropbox and Droptext. Read to Go and in daisy. 
Digit-Eyes and Red Laser. Prismo and Text Grabber. How many of us out 
there already use two or more apps to do the same thing? Why does the 
app store have so many apps which do the same thing or similar same 
things? This is what using a device like the iPhone is all about. Some 
apps might have enough features that another one isn't necessary. For 
example, I personally don't care to have the next street announced as I 
get there. Yet I see this as a frequent request and need when people 
want GPS programs on the iPhone. When I worked for GW Micro and helped 
to develop the SenseNav software which is the SEndero offering on the 
Voice Sense and Braille Sense, I too was asked by users to make sure the 
up-coming street feature worked well. I used to personally turn it off 
when using it on my own. As for developing a blind-only app, let me 
remind everyone that when SEndero came out with their Lookaround app, 
many people got it because it came from a Blindness software company and 
didn't care that they paid $5 for it, yet many people complained at the 
level of what they got for their $5 because they felt they could get the 
same, or more from other apps which cost less, or which are free. 
Because we are a very small market, an app which can only be used by the 
blind, or which mainly the blind will purchase, will be more expensive. 
This is why program updates have cost Sendero GPS users around $150 per 
year. The cost goes into development and for map licensing. I believe 
that one of the reasons Navigon costs the way it does is because of the 
maps that you are able to download. Yet if you look at apps which use 
map data in the cloud, such as Mapquest or the default Maps app, they 
don't cost anything. So my guess is that if you are able to store maps 
off line, the cost will be more because of the licensing. Regarding the 
$49 price tag for Navigon, just imagine how much more it would be if 
only blind people purchased it? The reason it's as low as it is has to 
do with the many hundreds of purchases. I'll be curious and excited to 
see what Sendero has to offer when they come out with their iOS solution 
which is supposed to meet all of the mostly requested needs. However I 
wouldn't be surprised if it costs more than $50. If I am wrong, then 
I'll give myself an "I told you so" lecture.


I hope this makes some sense. I'm not trying to say blind-only apps are 
bad, and I'm not trying to say that companies like Sendero can't make a 
better product. I'm just saying that what's out there now, isn't bad. 
Also, as has been pointed out, map sources are very few and so the map 
quality you get from different programs won't be that much different. 
Usually what people like, dislike, pay for, or get free, is the user 
interface and the features which can be had from that interface.


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On 5/9/2012 5:39 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

Hi,
I stand corrected regarding the map updates, but i  heard that a while back you 
actually had to pay  a huge amount for an update with new maps etc, can be 
wrong though. I think though that the only solution available here in Sweden is 
Trekker Breeze and how that is regarding updates, and if they occur regularly 
and worldwide i don't know. However, i hold to the view that i much rather 
prefer an off-the-shelf solution than having to fork out loads of money on 
reinventing the wheel, but that's stupid me.
/Krister

9 maj 2012 kl. 01:37 skrev Raul A. Gallegos:


Hi, Sendero GPS uses Tele Atlas maps which btw, are the same as what Google 
Maps use. So updates happen when they are available. Maybe you are thinking of 
program updates, which are slightly differently. FRom what I know, Sendero has 
come out with an update at least once per year, sometimes even more.

Thanks.


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On 5/8/2012 7:25 AM, Krister Ekstrom wrote:

Hi Mark and others.
I really don't understand one thing in this whole discussion of what gps system 
to use. I don't like the blind specific solutions from Sendero and others. From 
what i have heard, the maps very seldom if ever get updated, which means that 
how ever good the g

Re: Adding a Gmail Account

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

go to settings then Mail, contacts, calendars.  Once there, double tap the add 
acount button..

Ricardo Walker
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On May 9, 2012, at 8:22 AM, Samara Raine  wrote:

> Hey there everyone. I just got my new iPhone on saturday. I'm loving it so 
> far and I'm eager to learn more.
>  
> What I can't remember how to do at the moment is how to add another e-mail 
> account to my mail program. Can someone help me? Using Voiceover, of course.
>  
> Thank you so much.
>  
> Samara
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Re: Apple blew it.

[Ricardo Walker]

Hi,

I think the U.S. government has very little to do with Apple's inclusion of 
accessibility in most of  their products.

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On May 9, 2012, at 7:57 AM, Kawal Gucukoglu  wrote:

> Well put.  You know why Apple bow to the Accessibility?  Because the US 
> Government told them to or otherwise they would not do this.  No one owes us 
> a favour.
> 
> Kawal.
> 
> On 9 May 2012, at 12:47 PM, Not By Sight  wrote:
> 
>> I always get a kick outta people that seem to think that in this case, Apple
>> owes the blind community something in regards to full accessibility for
>> every add on option out there on the market. Whine away people, whine away,
>> it entertains me!
>> 
>> Jay
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: May-08-12 4:54 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Apple blew it.
>> 
>> This is my last note on this topic.
>> In this case, it is actually all Apples fault.  They had the HIMS drivers
>> working fine in IOS 5.0.  Apple broke that in 5.1 when they added the
>> Humanware Brailliant BI.
>> Since HIMS was coming out with a new braille display and a new note taker,
>> they gave Apple the updated drivers shortly after 5.1 came out.
>> Apple release 5.1.1 without doing anything about the problems they created
>> with 5.1.
>> 
>> The calendar bug is 100 percent Apple's issue, not dependent on any third
>> party.
>> 
>> I'm done now.
>> I think I'll take a long break from this list now.
>> 
>> TTFN,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On May 8, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
>> 
>>> It's not all Apples fault either, the developers of the 3rd party products
>> need to fix there lose ends too, it's a two way street. Everything isn't
>> Apple's fault.
>>> 
>>> Ed
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Watch for This Possible Bug

[Eric SS]

This is one of those things you are not sure really happened and are not
able to go back and do it again to check.

Twice now, I have been reading an E-mail on my IPhone 4S with the new IOS
and a phrase has repeated itself. This last time was just now in Raul's note
regarding moving items on the dock and the repeated phrase was that
following the link he gave. The other was in a note from Nancy re:
Digit-Eyes, but I cannot confirm the repeat was after a link or date, etc. I
hit delete before it occurred to me.

I will definitely be paying closer attention and acting before reacting, but
maybe others will see the same thing.

Eric

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Re: Moving and replacing programs on teh screen?

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hi, Lois is correct, don't be sorry for asking questions. Let me also 
point out that this is probably one of the most popular ones out there. 
If you visit www.applevis.com and go to the guides section, I think 
there is a guide on moving apps, creating folders, and other app 
management. I also know that someone did an audio podcast of the same, 
but I don't know where to find that.


Good luck.


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On 5/9/2012 7:27 AM, Lois Butterfield wrote:

Oh my, don’t be sorry for asking anything. Just double tap and hold, and
slide your finger to the edge of the screen until you hear it say the
next page. It also makes a noise so you know when it happens.
Lois
*From:* Ramy Moustafa 
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:50 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com 
*Subject:* RE: Moving and replacing programs on teh screen?

Ok, but sorry for asking, how can I move it to another page?

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Behalf Of *Lois Butterfield
*Sent:* Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:43 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: Moving and replacing programs on teh screen?

Hi,

Just tap on the folder. When it opens, just move one of the programs
out. It’s just a matter of moving them around without putting one on top
of the other. You may have to move one to another page to get the
arrangement you want. You can then move it back to the right page.

Good luck.

Lois

*From:*Ramy Moustafa 

*Sent:*Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:40 AM

*To:*viphone@googlegroups.com 

*Subject:*Moving and replacing programs on teh screen?

HI all:

I neeed to replace a program with another program on the screen, I
double tap then hold, but when I went to the program that I need to
exchange wit, I got a new folder, and I must put the 2 programs in this
folder, why is this? How can I remove the 2 applications from this
folder and put them back on the screen?

And if I need to exchange bitween 2 programs, exchange places, how can I
do that?

Cheers:

Ramy Moustafa

Owner and producer of Harmony recording studios

skype:

roma30

Facebook:

moustafa.r...@gmail.com 

Twitter:

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Re: new with phone and tactile screen

[Raul A. Gallegos]

Hi, yes it is possible, but only if Drum roll. You jailbreak.


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On 5/9/2012 6:30 AM, Lois Butterfield wrote:

Hi,

Is it possible to have 5 things in the dock. I only have 4. I tried to
move down something else, but it didn't work.

Thanks,
Lois

-Original Message- From: Sieghard
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:20 AM
To: VIPhone
Subject: Re: new with phone and tactile screen

Hello Listers,

I agree with Raul, the tactile screen protector is a useful item. I
have the basic one which has 5 dots along the bottom (they correspond
with the dock items and, for example, in Skype they match up with the
bottom row of options, the bottom right dot for example is the End
Call. It also has 2 dots right above on the very left and right which
on the virtual keyboard are the shift and delete buttons and then
there is F and J on the virtual keyboard. On the top left and right
the dots match most "Back" buttons on the top left and most "Done" or
"Cancel" buttons on the top right and there is a button which is on
the 5 if the dialpad is active. If you are in the mail app there is a
button on Send and if you are in the Messaging app there is also a
button for Send sort of on the right side of the phone in the middle.

I believe in total there are 15 dots, they are distinct but tiny so
they don't bother even a sighted person although they are noticeable,
I had sighted people ask me about them.


Regards,
Sieghard



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RE: new with phone and tactile screen

[Eric SS]

Let me throw my agreement in with Raul and Sieghard.

I am a very experienced IPhone user and use my device for everything but
phone calls all day long. I have had the Speed Dots.com screen protector
since about six months having an Itouch and it is most useful. It has become
a part of the device, really. When I don't need it, it doesn't seem to be
there, but when I can use a guide, it just seems natural to the phone. When
I went from using the Touch to the IPhone, I moved the screen protector.
Now, I use both devices everyday for different things, and it is quite
noticeable when I go to the Touch that does not have the Speed Dots.

I do have the version with the fewer dots. I do think the one with every key
marked could become bothersome, especially for me because I do lots of
reading on the device so am flicking my finger across the screen quite a
bit.

It is one of the best accessories I've invested in.

Eric


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Re: Navigon

[Raul A. Gallegos]

I just used Navigon yesterday and if I want to hear the directions 
again, I double-tap the area just above the next street. The next street 
is on the lower-left of the screen, and the distance left is just above 
that. When I double-tap the distance, the voice speaks the direction, as 
in how far is left and if I will be turning.


That's how it's always worked, both with older and current versions of 
Navigon.



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On 5/9/2012 7:58 AM, Eric SS wrote:

Phil, it did not occur to me until I read your response that I am using
an older version of Navigon. Last fall or so when they did an update and
there initially was some access issue, I did not update. It sounded as
though there were some big changes in the interface, so I still have not
updated. I don't like change, and how do you change that? :)
It sounds like I still don't want the update. It is pretty useful to
have that last instruction repeated, especially when walking or on
public transit where it can be pretty loud.
Here's hoping there is another way to get that information...
Eric


*From:* viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On
Behalf Of *Phil Halton
*Sent:* Tuesday, May 08, 2012 2:46 PM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Navigon

Hi Eric,
That's exactly what I was talking about. And, that's exactly what I used
to do when I last used Navigon (last summer). Last week I went on a road
trip and used Navigon. It worked fine, but I couldn't get her to repeat
herself by tapping on the mileage number you spoke of.
Maybe the iPhone, or Navigon, was just acting persnickity that day. Who
knows - I'll try it again.
thanks
P.S. have you done this recently? like, since the last few updates? or,
like me, has it been a while since you've used that functionality.

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Re: Apple blew it.

[Kawal Gucukoglu]

Well put.  You know why Apple bow to the Accessibility?  Because the US 
Government told them to or otherwise they would not do this.  No one owes us a 
favour.

Kawal.

On 9 May 2012, at 12:47 PM, Not By Sight  wrote:

> I always get a kick outta people that seem to think that in this case, Apple
> owes the blind community something in regards to full accessibility for
> every add on option out there on the market. Whine away people, whine away,
> it entertains me!
> 
> Jay
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
> Of Richard Turner
> Sent: May-08-12 4:54 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Apple blew it.
> 
> This is my last note on this topic.
> In this case, it is actually all Apples fault.  They had the HIMS drivers
> working fine in IOS 5.0.  Apple broke that in 5.1 when they added the
> Humanware Brailliant BI.
> Since HIMS was coming out with a new braille display and a new note taker,
> they gave Apple the updated drivers shortly after 5.1 came out.
> Apple release 5.1.1 without doing anything about the problems they created
> with 5.1.
> 
> The calendar bug is 100 percent Apple's issue, not dependent on any third
> party.
> 
> I'm done now.
> I think I'll take a long break from this list now.
> 
> TTFN,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On May 8, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Ed Worrell  wrote:
> 
>> It's not all Apples fault either, the developers of the 3rd party products
> need to fix there lose ends too, it's a two way street. Everything isn't
> Apple's fault.
>> 
>> Ed
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RE: Apple blew it.

[Not By Sight]

I always get a kick outta people that seem to think that in this case, Apple
owes the blind community something in regards to full accessibility for
every add on option out there on the market. Whine away people, whine away,
it entertains me!

Jay

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Richard Turner
Sent: May-08-12 4:54 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple blew it.

This is my last note on this topic.
In this case, it is actually all Apples fault.  They had the HIMS drivers
working fine in IOS 5.0.  Apple broke that in 5.1 when they added the
Humanware Brailliant BI.
Since HIMS was coming out with a new braille display and a new note taker,
they gave Apple the updated drivers shortly after 5.1 came out.
Apple release 5.1.1 without doing anything about the problems they created
with 5.1.

The calendar bug is 100 percent Apple's issue, not dependent on any third
party.

I'm done now.
I think I'll take a long break from this list now.

TTFN,
Richard




On May 8, 2012, at 1:14 PM, Ed Worrell  wrote:

> It's not all Apples fault either, the developers of the 3rd party products
need to fix there lose ends too, it's a two way street. Everything isn't
Apple's fault.
> 
> Ed
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Re: Moving and replacing programs on teh screen?

[Lois Butterfield]

Oh my, don’t be sorry for asking anything.  Just double tap and hold, and slide 
your finger to the edge of the screen until you hear it say the next page.  It 
also makes a noise so you know when it happens.

Lois

From: Ramy Moustafa 
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:50 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: Moving and replacing programs on teh screen?

Ok, but sorry for asking, how can I move it to another page?

 

 

 

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www.youtube.com/ramymoustafasaber

 




From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Lois Butterfield
Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 12:43 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Moving and replacing programs on teh screen?

 

Hi,

 

Just tap on the folder.  When it opens, just move one of the programs out.  
It’s just a matter of moving them around without putting one on top of the 
other.  You may have to move one to another page to get the arrangement you 
want.  You can then move it back to the right page.

 

Good luck.

 

Lois

 

From: Ramy Moustafa 

Sent: Wednesday, May 09, 2012 6:40 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Subject: Moving and replacing programs on teh screen?

 

 

 

HI all:

 

I neeed to replace a program with another program on the screen, I double tap 
then hold, but when I went to the program that I need to exchange wit, I got a 
new folder, and I must put the 2 programs in this folder, why is this? How can 
I remove the 2 applications from this folder and put them back on the screen?

And if I need to exchange bitween 2 programs, exchange places, how can I do 
that?

 

Cheers:

Ramy Moustafa

Owner and producer of Harmony recording studios

skype:

roma30

Facebook:

moustafa.r...@gmail.com

Twitter:

Ramymoustafa

youtube chanael:

www.youtube.com/ramymoustafasaber

 

 

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