Re: alex

2014-09-21 Thread Andrew Lamanche
I've downloaded Alex onto my iPad mini, which has the right kind of chip, and 
although Alex is present in the voice rotor and it is selected in Voiceover 
settings as default US voice, I can't hear him. Instead i hear Samantha.  Has 
anyone else had this experience?

Andrew
On 21 Sep 2014, at 05:56, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:

 Actually, I don't really like Alex on the Mac but he's okay with me on my 
 iPhone.
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 11:23 PM, Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 He doesn't sound as good as he does on the Mac. 
 
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 On Sep 19, 2014, at 14:12, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net 
 wrote:
 
 I've downloaded Alex on both my 5s and iPad Air.  For an 869 meg download I 
 was expecting to be wowed.  I can't in all honesty say that this was the 
 case.  He just doesn't sound as natural as the hype said he would.
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Alan
 
 Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
 
 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
 
 Please click on:
 HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
 website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
 
 - Original Message - From: Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:38 PM
 Subject: Re: alex
 
 
 What iDevice do you have? Alex, even though it sucks, runs only on 64bit 
 processors. They should've made it for other devices too like it sounded 
 like they were going to do in the first place.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Corey Michael Cook corey.coo...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I have and it is not there
 
 
 Corey Cook
 Facebook:
 corey.coo...@gmail.com
 
 
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 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Jim Ruby
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 7:03 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: alex
 
 Go to settings/ general/ accessability/ voice over/ speech/
 
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 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:50 PM
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 Subject: alex
 
 How do you get alex?
 
 
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Re: alex

2014-09-21 Thread Devin Prater
Just restart voiceover 

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 On Sep 21, 2014, at 01:51, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:
 
 I've downloaded Alex onto my iPad mini, which has the right kind of chip, and 
 although Alex is present in the voice rotor and it is selected in Voiceover 
 settings as default US voice, I can't hear him. Instead i hear Samantha.  Has 
 anyone else had this experience?
 
 Andrew
 On 21 Sep 2014, at 05:56, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Actually, I don't really like Alex on the Mac but he's okay with me on my 
 iPhone.
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 11:23 PM, Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 He doesn't sound as good as he does on the Mac. 
 
 Sent from my iPod 5
 
 keychat/google talk:
 r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
 primary email:
 d.pra...@me.com
 facebook/iMessage:
 devinpra...@live.com
 
 
 On Sep 19, 2014, at 14:12, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net 
 wrote:
 
 I've downloaded Alex on both my 5s and iPad Air.  For an 869 meg download 
 I was expecting to be wowed.  I can't in all honesty say that this was the 
 case.  He just doesn't sound as natural as the hype said he would.
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Alan
 
 Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
 
 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
 
 Please click on:
 HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
 my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
 
 - Original Message - From: Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:38 PM
 Subject: Re: alex
 
 
 What iDevice do you have? Alex, even though it sucks, runs only on 64bit 
 processors. They should've made it for other devices too like it sounded 
 like they were going to do in the first place.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Corey Michael Cook corey.coo...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I have and it is not there
 
 
 Corey Cook
 Facebook:
 corey.coo...@gmail.com
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Jim Ruby
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 7:03 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: alex
 
 Go to settings/ general/ accessability/ voice over/ speech/
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Corey Michael Cook
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:50 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: alex
 
 How do you get alex?
 
 
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 corey.coo...@gmail.com
 
 
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Re: built-in braille. Disoriented.

2014-09-21 Thread Devin Prater
It's a lot like m braille which is disappointing because I wanted to type in a 
real Perkins style rather than some strange v shape. I now prefer direct touch 
typing instead, which, to mr, is almost better than fleksy. 

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 On Sep 20, 2014, at 23:30, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
 
 I heard the podcast, but was confused, because I was trying to work with it 
 as I listened.  I'll give this a gander, though.  Thanks.
 
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 you! really! are! finished!
 - Original Message -
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 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 9:10 PM
 Subject: Re: built-in braille. Disoriented.
 
 Have you looked at the material on AppleVis for this? Here's a text guide, in 
 which is a link to the podcast:
 http://www.applevis.com/guides/braille-ios/introduction-braille-screen-input-ios-8
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 10:04 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
 
 The subject line says it all.  I'm having  a hard time brailling with 
 the built-in braille keyboard.  I would think it would be easy for someone 
 who has been brailling since 1959, at the age of 5, but I haven't gotten the 
 hang of this yet.  Any suggestions are welcome.
 
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Re: Braille input and using Braille displays in iOS 8

2014-09-21 Thread christopher hallsworth
Not that I know of. The idea is to type in Braille on the touch screen just 
like you could with MBraille and BrailleTouch however you can do this in any 
text field. Typing on a Braille display should be the same as it always has 
been in previous releases.

Sent from my Macbook Pro

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 Greetings all. I have an iPhone 5 with iOS 7. I haven't upgraded yet
 and am not sure tha i Iwill until I get a new iPhone 6 next week or
 the week after. I have seen people talk about being able to type in
 Braille in iOS 8. My question is: can this be done with a Braille
 display? In other words, when on iOS 8 can I turn my rodar to braille
 and then write in Braille using my Focus 14 Blue display? I sure hope
 so since I sent a note to Apple Accessibility about this not long ago
 and it would be great if they added that ability.
 
 Thanks in advance,
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Handoff on iPhone 4s

2014-09-21 Thread christopher hallsworth
Hi all

Has anyone got Handoff working on an iPhone 4s running iOS 8? I can't even find 
the feature under Settings  General like I can on my iPad Mini with Retina 
also running iOS 8. Didn't think this was a hardware specific feature so don't 
understand this at all.

Any replies greatly appreciated. Thanks!

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Re: Hilarious three days and still can't install IOS 8 on a 5S

2014-09-21 Thread christopher hallsworth
Lol! Did you mean 120 MB?

Sent from my Macbook Pro

On 21 Sep 2014, at 05:42, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hi Brian,
 
 Not sure how much data you have, but the Australian voice is 120 Gb, why not
 try it via 3G or LTE whichever you have.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Brian Fischler
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 2:29 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Hilarious three days and still can't install IOS 8 on a 5S
 
 Unfortunately doing the reset settings did absolutely nothing as I am again
 trying to download the Australian enhanced quality and it has been stuck as
 preparing to download for five minutes again so that makes me think it is
 either Apple's servers or Verizon Fios is screwing me with my internet will
 have to get over to a neighbor's tomorrow and try it on their network,
 thanks for the advice 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 5:15 PM, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote:
 
 Thanks for all this. Yeah I am thinking I might have to try the reset
 settings considering the issues I had downloading IOS 8 as if I leave the
 download screen for any of the enhanced voices the download just craps out.
 Thanks for the info, going to make sure I know my wifi password and try
 this, thanks again.
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Hi Brian,
 
 Well, I am not sure if it's entirely Apple's servers or maybe slow
 download
 speed on your end. I just thought I try this and I started the Australian
 high quality voice download a bit over 1 minute ago and it's currently at
 20
 of 120 Mb. It does appear a bit slow on my end here as well, I have a
 connection which gives me 25 Mbps down and 5 up. It seems that it takes
 about 8 seconds in between Voiceover saying it's downloaded another Mb,
 so
 about 7 or 8 Mb per minute which would mean it will take 15 or 17 minutes
 to
 download the 120 Mb which normally would download on my connection in
 about
 a minute. I now went out of the speech setting screen back to the home
 screen and locked my phone, that was when the download was at 44 Mb. Now
 I
 went back maybe a minute or so later and I'm at 61 Mb, in other words for
 me
 the download is not super fast, but working just fine.
 Have you tried to maybe do a Reset all Network Settings on your phone to
 see
 if that clears things up? Make sure you know your WiFi password, though,
 you'll need to reconnect after the phone reboots.
 OK, now the download has finished and it took pretty much exactly 15
 minutes.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Brian Fischler
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 9:29 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Hilarious three days and still can't install IOS 8 on a 5S
 
 Hey Sieghard,
 
 Thanks for the laugh. Honestly the bugs for the most part I can live
 with.
 While I do find them a major statement about Apple's commitment to
 accessibility as I just can't get over the fact that Apple released a
 iPhone
 operating system where blind people can't dial a phone number. I guess
 that
 means that blind people won't be able to tell time with the iWatch. For
 the
 first time ever I am going to actually start paying more attention to
 Droid
 related info, as I do question how much testing Apple is actually doing
 with
 VO if this kind of a bug is going to appear in the release. I also have
 not
 been able to download any high quality voices after leaving the screen on
 trying to download the Australian HQ voice for six hours it was only at
 25megs of 125 downloaded. I am sure this is a server issue but not being
 able to download any of the HQ voices and I have plenty of room on my
 64GB
 is really pissing me off.
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 2:04 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Hi Brian,
 
 That was one bug I reported on very early theoretically even breaking 
 my NDA. Before the public release you actually had to power down your 
 phone completely to stop the tone, removing the phone from the app 
 switcher wouldn't do it so I guess there is improvement. Maybe in the 
 next update Apple will make it so the tone only sticks for 10 seconds 
 and then stops by itself. Anyhow, enough of the sarcasm, I was 
 actually going to reply and say that maybe you are in fact lucky 
 that the update didn't work. If it had continued to not work you'd still
 be on iOS 7 without dial tones sticking.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Brian Fischler
 Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:30 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Hilarious three days and still can't install IOS 8 on a 
 5S
 
 Hey David, well I guess they should change the saying to the 6th time 
 is a charm as the installation finally worked on the 6th attempt, and 
 it installed 

Re: alex

2014-09-21 Thread 'Ming' via VIPhone
I think the alex voice's vollium is a bit lower then the vocalizer voices?
does anyone have the same feeling?

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2014年9月21日 星期日,Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com 寫道﹕

 主題: Re: alex
 收件人: viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
 日期: 2014年9月21日,星期日,下午2:59
 
 Just restart voiceover
 
 
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  On Sep
 21, 2014, at 01:51, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com
 wrote:
  
  I've
 downloaded Alex onto my iPad mini, which has the right kind
 of chip, and although Alex is present in the voice rotor and
 it is selected in Voiceover settings as default US voice, I
 can't hear him. Instead i hear Samantha.  Has anyone
 else had this experience?
  
  Andrew
  On 21 Sep
 2014, at 05:56, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com
 wrote:
  
 
 Actually, I don't really like Alex on the Mac but
 he's okay with me on my iPhone.
 
 
  -- 
 
 Cheryl
  
  I
 tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
  I got crumpled wads of tear-stained
 paper
  thrown in the trash!
  Then God gave me a new heart and
 life:
  His joy for my despairing
 tears!
  And now, every day:
  This I call to mind,
  and therefore I have hope:
  The steadfast love of the Lord
  never ceases;
 
 his mercies never come to an end;
 
 they are new every morning;
  great
 is your faithfulness.
 
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
  
  
  
  
  On Sep
 20, 2014, at 11:23 PM, Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
 wrote:
  
  He doesn't sound as good as he
 does on the Mac. 
  
  Sent from my iPod 5
  
 
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  r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
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  On Sep 19, 2014, at 14:12,
 Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net
 wrote:
  
  I've downloaded Alex on
 both my 5s and iPad Air.  For an 869 meg download I was
 expecting to be wowed.  I can't in all honesty say that
 this was the case.  He just doesn't sound as natural as
 the hype said he would.
  
  
  Regards,
  
  Alan
  
  Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
  
  Teenagers; Tired of being
 harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! Move out. 
 Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know
 everything.
  
  Please click on:
 
 HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
  There, you'll find free
 files of my arrangements and performances played on
  the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. 
 The albums in Technics  format formerly on my website are
 still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
  
  - Original Message -
 From: Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Thursday, September 18,
 2014 4:38 PM
  Subject: Re:
 alex
  
  
  What iDevice do you have?
 Alex, even though it sucks, runs only on 64bit processors.
 They should've made it for other devices too like it
 sounded like they were going to do in the first place.
  
  Shawn
  Sent From My White MacBook
  
  On Sep 18, 2014, at 6:06
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  I have and it is not
 there
  
  
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Re: alex

2014-09-21 Thread christopher hallsworth
Totally the opposite. He's a lot louder than the other voices. I'm cool with 
that because of my hard of hearing.

Sent from my Macbook Pro

On 21 Sep 2014, at 08:48, 'Ming' via VIPhone viphone@googlegroups.com wrote:

 I think the alex voice's vollium is a bit lower then the vocalizer voices?
 does anyone have the same feeling?
 
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 2014年9月21日 星期日,Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com 寫道﹕
 
 主題: Re: alex
 收件人: viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
 日期: 2014年9月21日,星期日,下午2:59
 
 Just restart voiceover
 
 
 Sent from my iPod 5
 
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 On Sep
 21, 2014, at 01:51, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com
 wrote:
 
 I've
 downloaded Alex onto my iPad mini, which has the right kind
 of chip, and although Alex is present in the voice rotor and
 it is selected in Voiceover settings as default US voice, I
 can't hear him. Instead i hear Samantha.  Has anyone
 else had this experience?
 
 Andrew
 On 21 Sep
 2014, at 05:56, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com
 wrote:
 
 
 Actually, I don't really like Alex on the Mac but
 he's okay with me on my iPhone.
 
 
 -- 
 
 Cheryl
 
 I
 tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained
 paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and
 life:
 His joy for my despairing
 tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 
 his mercies never come to an end;
 
 they are new every morning;
 great
 is your faithfulness.
 
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Sep
 20, 2014, at 11:23 PM, Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 He doesn't sound as good as he
 does on the Mac. 
 
 Sent from my iPod 5
 
 
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 r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
 primary email:
 d.pra...@me.com
 facebook/iMessage:
 devinpra...@live.com
 
 
 On Sep 19, 2014, at 14:12,
 Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net
 wrote:
 
 I've downloaded Alex on
 both my 5s and iPad Air.  For an 869 meg download I was
 expecting to be wowed.  I can't in all honesty say that
 this was the case.  He just doesn't sound as natural as
 the hype said he would.
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Alan
 
 Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
 
 Teenagers; Tired of being
 harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! Move out. 
 Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know
 everything.
 
 Please click on:
 
 HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free
 files of my arrangements and performances played on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard. 
 The albums in Technics  format formerly on my website are
 still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
 
 - Original Message -
 From: Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 18,
 2014 4:38 PM
 Subject: Re:
 alex
 
 
 What iDevice do you have?
 Alex, even though it sucks, runs only on 64bit processors.
 They should've made it for other devices too like it
 sounded like they were going to do in the first place.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 6:06
 PM, Corey Michael Cook corey.coo...@gmail.com
 wrote:
 
 I have and it is not
 there
 
 
 Corey Cook
 Facebook:
 corey.coo...@gmail.com
 
 
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 Ruby
 Sent: Thursday,
 September 18, 2014 7:03 PM
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 Go to settings/ general/
 accessability/ voice over/ speech/
 
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 Michael Cook
 Sent:
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RE: ICloud for windows 4.0

2014-09-21 Thread M. Taylor
Hello,

I installed the iCloud Control Panel for Windows 2 days ago on both a
Windows 7 32-bit and 64-bit computer.  The control panels appear to be
working perfectly with Outlook 2007. 

When I installed them, I left the iCloud Drive checkbox unchecked because I
have not yet setup my iCloud drive and did not want to cause any problems.  

Deb, or anyone who knows, when one places a check in the checkbox for the
iCloud drive, what happens next?  Does it place an iCon for the drive on the
Desktop or something?  How is the drive manifested in Windows?  

Thank you,

Mark

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Of Deb Lewis
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 7:56 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: ICloud for windows 4.0

I installed the new verison of Iclod for Windows released just this week.
There were no conflicts and I now have my Icloudmail and an Icloud drive on
my windows lap top.

On 9/20/14, Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com wrote:
 No, I completely removed it.  I never found it all that accessible on 
 a Windows machine.

 But, that was probably early version 3 or late version 2.



 I back up to my computer and then back the computer up to an external 
 drive, so I never felt a huge need to fight with iCloud.



 But, I've read elsewhere about this kind of error.



 You might google the exact phrasing of the error and see what you find.



 Good luck,

 Richard





 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 7:15 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: ICloud for windows 4.0



 Thanks.  Are you currently running a version of ICloud?  I'm running

 ICloud version 3.x, I assume the last version of version 3 with no 
 problems.


 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Richard Turner
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 9:11 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: ICloud for windows 4.0



 There has been a conflict with iCloud for Windows for a while now.

 I ended up uninstalling it several versions ago when I got a similar 
 error and I have not seen that error again.



 Richard



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 [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Larry Lumpkin
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 6:33 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
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 I think this is on topic.  I ran apple software update and updated 
 ICloud to 4.0.  When I restarted, I got an error saying something like 
 a library couldn't be found and it had something to do with a program 
 that had bookmark in its name.  Has anyone else experienced it.  I 
 restored my pc to a point before the update and all is well now.

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A Follow-Up on SIM Adaptor and iOS 8 on my iPhone 4 S

2014-09-21 Thread M. Taylor
Hello All,

I am delighted to report that the Nano SIM adaptors I purchased on Amazon a
couple of days ago for approximately $2 work perfectly.  

Now that I can easily switch between my 5 S and my 4 S, I upgraded to iOS 8
on my 4 S in order to take it for a test drive, making and receiving
telephone calls and all.  

Like others, I have encountered many of the bugs reported on this and other
lists including the fact that I had to reboot my 4 S twice, after updating
in order to get my visual VoiceMail to display correctly.  

However, key elements, to me at least, on the A T  T Wireless network, of
iOS 8 are working very well on my 4 S and, as a result, I am thinking more
seriously about updating my 5 S.  

I spent about an hour or so with the iPhone 6 and 6+ today.  They are very
fine devices and I know that those who purchase them, one of whom may be me,
will be very satisfied with their new phone.

Anyway, thanks to all for sharing your experiences.

Most Sincerely,

Mark

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Re: I took a look at the iPhone 6 and 6plus.

2014-09-21 Thread RobH.
I'll tell you what I've been doing, apart from guessing that all proportions 
of size and aspect ratios are common to all these devices.

The size is a diagonal, I'd also presume a proportional wastage top and 
bottom that isn't screen.

So, the iMini is meant to be a 7inch,  maybe a tad bigger.  So I stretch 
fingers diagonally from corner to corner of that for a scale,  then reduce 
that distence by the inchhalf,  and then feel the residual size within my 
finger spread. That makes the 6+ about the size of a journalists note pad, 
and remember, they hold these in the flat of their hand and scribble on it 
for a living.  Or they did do, that size evolved for efficiency to do the 
job.
I can't find a piece of paper to play with, and aspect ratio would be 
different; so don't know if that comes out at A6 or A7; US has their own and 
different paper sizes mind; but it's a reasonable guide,  for sure bigger, 
but not massive, more comfortable than the Mini for holding,  though putting 
it to ear would be something else.  Don't see that as a big issue really, 
either.
I like the feel of the size, so would still go for the 6+, funds or 
whatever, willing.

More I think about it, the more i like the jotter analogy.

RobH.
- Original Message - 
From: John Diakogeorgiou jdiakoge2...@gmail.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 1:27 AM
Subject: Re: I took a look at the iPhone 6 and 6plus.


It's hard to put into words. Several of us have posted dimentions in
the past. It feels pretty big. I found it hard to fit in some pockets
as well.

On 9/20/14, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote:
 How does the 6 plus compare in size with the 5s?


 Regards,

 Alan

 Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

 Please click on:
 HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played 
 on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
 my
 website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

   - Original Message -
   From: Joanne Chua
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:30 PM
   Subject: Re: I took a look at the iPhone 6 and 6plus.


   I went to the local apple store and have a play at both the 6 and 6+.
   If you put them side by side, the 6 and 6+, 6 feels like an expensive 
 toy
 beside the 6+. it makes 5C looks like a plustic model phone, and 5 and 5s,
 something in between.
   As far as the feel and touch goes, the 6+ is actually very nice to hold 
 on
 the hand. I was comparing hat with some other 5.5 phones that i have at 
 the
 same time, my right hand was holding the 6+ and my left hand was holding a
 Lenovo A850+ 5.5 phones. the lenovo is twice as thic and as heavy as the
 6+.
   Even though the 6+ seems big, and somewhat harder to hold to start with,
 but when you get on to it, it is very comfortable on the hand. no pressure
 or grip require. Same with the 6 as well. To put it in more of a context 
 for
 those that haven't seen it before, the 6 is a bit feels like the last gen
 iPod touch.


   It is a touch big for my hand, but i can hold and type quite comfortably
 one handed on the 6+. I don't consider myself have a big hand, but i do 
 have
 long musician fingers.


   Beside the size, for $100 extra, you pretty much get a crispier screen 
 for
 those that is low vision, definitely better camera, and better battery 
 life.
 Although, at this stage, there is no prove on how much longer the battory
 life for 6+ will be compare to 6.




   Joanne Chua
   The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion.
   Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate
   Send from my iPad

   On 20 Sep 2014, at 8:25, Lea Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net wrote:


 Hi all, my brother read me some reviews stick today about the six and 
 6+
 phones. There is really no difference except the screen size. The only
 reason that I might get the 6+ is because if you could use embryo like the
 like you can on the iPad which allows it to be used like a braille writer
 because the screen is bigger, I might consider the 6+ for that. It would 
 be
 a great advantage. The 6+ is about 2 ounces heavieralso, as far as the
 Battery Life there is really no difference because the bigger battery uses 
 a
 power more quickly because it has to power a bigger screen. The
 stabilization in the six is auto I should say automatic, and in the 6+ it 
 is
 in the software which does not make it as good as the sixth.The processors
 and all of the other specs are the same in both phones. For each size the
 phone the iPhone 6+ is $100 more. I am not knocking any phone. Just trying
 to share some information for you. God bless, Wren Langley

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote:


   Actually, 

Re: I took a look at the iPhone 6 and 6plus.

2014-09-21 Thread RobH.
Ahaaa, the phone stores I go to, have them nailed or strongly fitted down to 
fixtures so they don't walk away.
Limiting in how much you can fiddle with to try it, this way.

Rh.
- Original Message - 
From: Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 1:40 AM
Subject: Re: I took a look at the iPhone 6 and 6plus.


This is one time when you will just need to go to a store and put your hands
on them, see if they fit in pocket or purse, etc. and make a decision.
Asking others is of limited benefit when making this kind of choice.

Andy


-Original Message- 
From: John Diakogeorgiou
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:27 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: I took a look at the iPhone 6 and 6plus.

It's hard to put into words. Several of us have posted dimentions in
the past. It feels pretty big. I found it hard to fit in some pockets
as well.

On 9/20/14, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote:
 How does the 6 plus compare in size with the 5s?


 Regards,

 Alan

 Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

 Please click on:
 HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played
 on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
 my
 website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

   - Original Message -
   From: Joanne Chua
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:30 PM
   Subject: Re: I took a look at the iPhone 6 and 6plus.


   I went to the local apple store and have a play at both the 6 and 6+.
   If you put them side by side, the 6 and 6+, 6 feels like an expensive
 toy
 beside the 6+. it makes 5C looks like a plustic model phone, and 5 and 5s,
 something in between.
   As far as the feel and touch goes, the 6+ is actually very nice to hold
 on
 the hand. I was comparing hat with some other 5.5 phones that i have at
 the
 same time, my right hand was holding the 6+ and my left hand was holding a
 Lenovo A850+ 5.5 phones. the lenovo is twice as thic and as heavy as the
 6+.
   Even though the 6+ seems big, and somewhat harder to hold to start with,
 but when you get on to it, it is very comfortable on the hand. no pressure
 or grip require. Same with the 6 as well. To put it in more of a context
 for
 those that haven't seen it before, the 6 is a bit feels like the last gen
 iPod touch.


   It is a touch big for my hand, but i can hold and type quite comfortably
 one handed on the 6+. I don't consider myself have a big hand, but i do
 have
 long musician fingers.


   Beside the size, for $100 extra, you pretty much get a crispier screen
 for
 those that is low vision, definitely better camera, and better battery
 life.
 Although, at this stage, there is no prove on how much longer the battory
 life for 6+ will be compare to 6.




   Joanne Chua
   The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion.
   Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate
   Send from my iPad

   On 20 Sep 2014, at 8:25, Lea Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net wrote:


 Hi all, my brother read me some reviews stick today about the six and
 6+
 phones. There is really no difference except the screen size. The only
 reason that I might get the 6+ is because if you could use embryo like the
 like you can on the iPad which allows it to be used like a braille writer
 because the screen is bigger, I might consider the 6+ for that. It would
 be
 a great advantage. The 6+ is about 2 ounces heavieralso, as far as the
 Battery Life there is really no difference because the bigger battery uses
 a
 power more quickly because it has to power a bigger screen. The
 stabilization in the six is auto I should say automatic, and in the 6+ it
 is
 in the software which does not make it as good as the sixth.The processors
 and all of the other specs are the same in both phones. For each size the
 phone the iPhone 6+ is $100 more. I am not knocking any phone. Just trying
 to share some information for you. God bless, Wren Langley

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote:


   Actually, all the reviews I have read about the iPhone 6 agree with
 you. Most people say it is just about the most comfortable phone to hold
 in
 your hand. I really didn't play with it that long but it certainly didn't
 seem too big.


   Chuck (mobile)
   Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

   On Sep 19, 2014, at 3:07 PM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:


 I'd like to toss this out there. I also thought the 5/5S screen
 size
 was fine, and it definitely is. However, I used my mother's new 6 for
 about
 half an hour today, and a funny thing happened. The phone was overall more
 comfortable for me to hold and use (though that is subjective 

Re: KNFB on an iPad 4

2014-09-21 Thread RobH.
But the question was for the iPads,  the iPad4 or the Mini retina are pretty 
modern,  so why shouldn't KNFB work on those?

rh.
- Original Message - 
From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 7:16 PM
Subject: RE: KNFB on an iPad 4


Hi Daniel,



That is not correct. KNFB officially says it works pon the iPhone 5 and up,
but several people on the list have reported that it works just as good if a
bit slower on an iPhone 4S. This is of course only logical since especially
between the 4S and the 5 there is very little difference in the camera. Even
the difference between the 4S camera and the iPhone 6 camera is not that
much, same 8 MP, 6 has a sensor with larger pixels which is good but
probably not crutial for OCR and the flash on the 5S and 6 is a true tone
flash which yields better colour rendering in low light, once again, not
something I would think makes a great difference when it comes to lighting
up a page of text.



The app, in fact, even works on the iPod Touch Fifth Gen although if that is
your only device you definitely may want to think twice about spending that
much since the iPod has no vibration so the tilt control would not work and
you wouldn't benefit fully from the features of the app.



It is my assumption that it would work just as well or even better on Ed's
iPad Fourth Gen since it has an A6 processor which is a generation better
than that of the iPod Touch, but it still only has a 5 MP camera just like
the iPod Touch and no vibration.





Regards,

Sieghard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Daniel Miller
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 10:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB on an iPad 4



Hello,

Unfortunately, KNFB Reader will not work on an iPad. It's iPhone 5 and above
only.



On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:49 AM, Pinky pink...@abe.midco.net
mailto:pink...@abe.midco.net  wrote:



Will the KNFB work on an iPad?  If someone has install it on an iPad 4 can
you please let me know how it works.



Thanks in advance.



ED



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Re: Apple Blutooth Keyboard Kind of Working, but?

2014-09-21 Thread Joseph
Hello Sieghard,
I'm going to look at an a iPhone 6 tomorrow and will play with VO and see how 
things work on a factory new phone.
So, here's the other thing. This evening my wife was using the phone. She 
doesn't need to use VO. Suddenly, VO started up without being asked to do so. I 
asked her if she was pressing the home button and she said not at that time. 
Strange.

On Sep 20, 2014, at 10:53 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hi Joseph,
 
 Unfortunately that seems to be one of the major problems, a large amount of
 inconsistency when it comes to these issues. I don't think there is much you
 can do except try to restore again and hope you have less problems. Maybe
 try a factory restore and see how things work before restoring your backup.
 You can always restore it later and if you have less problems with a new
 setup it might be worthwhile to rebuilt from scratch.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
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 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Joseph
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 9:51 PM
 To: VI Phones
 Subject: Apple Blutooth Keyboard Kind of Working, but?
 Importance: High
 
 Hello Listers,
 After upgrading to iOS 8 on my iPhone 4s, for a while things were working
 ok. Then this morning VO started shutting off and back on. It got so bad
 that I decided to restore the phone. After that, the Apple Bluetooth
 keyboard is really acting strange.
 
 1. When I arrow around the home screens, the keyboard moves like it should,
 as long as the quick nav is on. If it's off, while holding down the VO keys,
 arrowing does nothing.
 
 2. Even if quick nav is on and I am arrowing around, when I come to the app
 I want to open, I press VO space and the unit just emits a bonk sound and
 nothing else.
 
 3. When in an edit field, pressing the space bar to go to edit, again, the
 space bar just bonks.
 
 4. Things like VO k do nothing.
 
 As I mentioned earlier today, and yesterday, the bluetooth keyboard was
 working ok.
 
 Any thoughts folks?
 
 Thanks a bunch.
 
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Family sharing

2014-09-21 Thread Larry Smith
Does each member of a family sharing group have to be on the same account. What 
I mean is I'm with ATT. I added my daughter to my shared account. However, she 
is not part of my ATT plan. She downloaded an app from y purchases and was 
told that she had to purchase it in order to use it.

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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-21 Thread RobH.
I just read this and had this image, begging a question:-

Holding your phone in this unnatural position over a document, and feeling 
about the screen for buttons, and double tapping them to activate them... 
so how do you hold your orientation while fiddling with controls, and why 
don't this cause camera shake when doing the double tap to take the picture, 
don't the volume button shutter mehcanism work for this?

It just struck me how such a combination of things at once could indeed make 
the whole process a little shaky and flaky to some.

I was glad when I discovered the volume button could be used for the camera, 
since I never did any good trying to take photos while fiddling on the 
screen and tapping.

JMO, RobH.
- Original Message - 
From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 11:28 PM
Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions


At one point on the AppleVis podcast, the demonstrator mentioned that it was 
important to first touch the screen with a finger to bring focus there, then 
to do a double tap. I don’t know if this is related to what you’re talking 
about, but it may be worth a try.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of BrianMiller
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

Thanks Sieghard… I use the two-finger double-tap all the time in other 
contexts, though… It’s like there are two layers of activity going on at the 
same time… One layer is the text being read to me, and the other layer is 
the app elements.  I can flick right and left and find a play/pause button, 
or a next and back button, but it absolutely will not respond to a 
two-finger double-tap.  Is there a setting I need to toggle to make this 
work?

Thanks,

Brian M


From: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 4:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

Hi Brian,

First of all, in my opinion KNFB Reader is not designed to read a 300 page 
book by doing free-hand scans of each page or even double page. If you are 
indeed scanning entire bvooks I think a flatbed scanner is still the way to 
go.

As far as using a 2-finger double tap to stop and start reading that does 
work for me. I suspect you don’t do the gesture quite correctly. If 
Voiceover tells you what is on the screen maybe it is just registering as a 
single 2-finger tap.

I find it easiest to hold the phone with one hand and to use the other to do 
my tapping. Having tilt feedback on I think works great and I occasionally 
use the field of view report. Fortunately I find it not too difficult to 
hold the phne level and usually within 5 degrees skew which doesn’t seem to 
effect the scan quality very much if at all. I guess everybody is different 
here just as people use different methods to hold the phone and type, it is 
something we all have to figure out for ourselves.


Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrianMiller
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

I just purchased the KNFB reader app this morning and have experimented a 
little bit with it… I scanned some food packages and some loose pages and a 
number of pages of a book, and I think there is a lot of potential with this 
app, but a few things I either haven’t figured out how to manage, or that 
need fixing…


1.For example, I can’t figure out how to get the app to stop reading 
a scan without tapping the play/pause button… In the Applevis podcast, 
Michael Hinksen is able to stop it from reading with a two finger 
double-tap, just like it were voice over.  However, it won’t do this when I 
try it, and in fact I just get voice over telling me what’s on the screen 
and the other voice reading in the background, which is rather confusing and 
kind of annoying.



2.I can’t seem to scan more than one page at a time without erasing 
or saving the page I’ve scanned – if I hit the back button to go out to the 
main page with the take picture button, it asks if I want to save the 
document; if I don’t it erases it, which is fine, but this seems like lots 
of steps… I’d like to be able to take picture after picture until I’m ready 
to save or erase… Maybe I can do this under batch scanning?  But then will 
it ask me to save or create a document? I don’t always want to create a 
document if I’m just playing around.


3.It’s kind of tricky to hold the phone, line it up, and tap the 
screen to take a picture or get a field report… I tried the method that is 
described in the AppleVIS podcast, i.e., 

Re: I took a look at the iPhone 6 and 6plus.

2014-09-21 Thread Joanne Chua
If you are talking about the iPad Mini, it is 7.9 screen. Add another
0.5 or so for the sides, thats your ipad mini. More making sense
comparecent will be the ipad4 vs ipad mini, in terms of size. Now,
imagine that in the terms of ipad mini vs iphone 6+. You will get a
better accuracy sizing, if you insist to use ipad mini as your
comparecent point for iphone 6+. 2.5 is about 7CM. It is almost half
a size of a 6 subway sub, more than what you think.

On 21/09/2014, RobH. bobs...@googlemail.com wrote:
 Ahaaa, the phone stores I go to, have them nailed or strongly fitted down to

 fixtures so they don't walk away.
 Limiting in how much you can fiddle with to try it, this way.

 Rh.
 - Original Message -
 From: Andy Baracco w...@socal.rr.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 1:40 AM
 Subject: Re: I took a look at the iPhone 6 and 6plus.


 This is one time when you will just need to go to a store and put your
 hands
 on them, see if they fit in pocket or purse, etc. and make a decision.
 Asking others is of limited benefit when making this kind of choice.

 Andy


 -Original Message-
 From: John Diakogeorgiou
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:27 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: I took a look at the iPhone 6 and 6plus.

 It's hard to put into words. Several of us have posted dimentions in
 the past. It feels pretty big. I found it hard to fit in some pockets
 as well.

 On 9/20/14, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net wrote:
 How does the 6 plus compare in size with the 5s?


 Regards,

 Alan

 Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now!
 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

 Please click on:
 HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played
 on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on
 my
 website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

   - Original Message -
   From: Joanne Chua
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 4:30 PM
   Subject: Re: I took a look at the iPhone 6 and 6plus.


   I went to the local apple store and have a play at both the 6 and 6+.
   If you put them side by side, the 6 and 6+, 6 feels like an expensive
 toy
 beside the 6+. it makes 5C looks like a plustic model phone, and 5 and
 5s,
 something in between.
   As far as the feel and touch goes, the 6+ is actually very nice to hold
 on
 the hand. I was comparing hat with some other 5.5 phones that i have at
 the
 same time, my right hand was holding the 6+ and my left hand was holding
 a
 Lenovo A850+ 5.5 phones. the lenovo is twice as thic and as heavy as the
 6+.
   Even though the 6+ seems big, and somewhat harder to hold to start
 with,
 but when you get on to it, it is very comfortable on the hand. no
 pressure
 or grip require. Same with the 6 as well. To put it in more of a context
 for
 those that haven't seen it before, the 6 is a bit feels like the last gen
 iPod touch.


   It is a touch big for my hand, but i can hold and type quite
 comfortably
 one handed on the 6+. I don't consider myself have a big hand, but i do
 have
 long musician fingers.


   Beside the size, for $100 extra, you pretty much get a crispier screen
 for
 those that is low vision, definitely better camera, and better battery
 life.
 Although, at this stage, there is no prove on how much longer the battory
 life for 6+ will be compare to 6.




   Joanne Chua
   The flip side of Inclusion is Exclusion.
   Leaders For Tomorrow 2013 Candidate
   Send from my iPad

   On 20 Sep 2014, at 8:25, Lea Langley wrenlang...@sbcglobal.net wrote:


 Hi all, my brother read me some reviews stick today about the six and
 6+
 phones. There is really no difference except the screen size. The only
 reason that I might get the 6+ is because if you could use embryo like
 the
 like you can on the iPad which allows it to be used like a braille writer
 because the screen is bigger, I might consider the 6+ for that. It would
 be
 a great advantage. The 6+ is about 2 ounces heavieralso, as far as the
 Battery Life there is really no difference because the bigger battery
 uses
 a
 power more quickly because it has to power a bigger screen. The
 stabilization in the six is auto I should say automatic, and in the 6+ it
 is
 in the software which does not make it as good as the sixth.The
 processors
 and all of the other specs are the same in both phones. For each size the
 phone the iPhone 6+ is $100 more. I am not knocking any phone. Just
 trying
 to share some information for you. God bless, Wren Langley

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 19, 2014, at 5:46 PM, Chuck Dean cadean...@gmail.com wrote:


   Actually, all the reviews I have read about the iPhone 6 agree with
 you. Most people say it is just about the most comfortable phone to hold
 in
 your 

RE: KNFB on an iPad 4

2014-09-21 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Rob,

I do mention the iPad in my message and said that it will probably work just
fine and that the processor is actually better than that of the iPod Touch.
However, there are still 3 differences which will probably have an impact on
how well KNFB Reader performs:

1. Even the iPad Mini Retina and the iPad Air (the newest at this time)
still have only a 5 MP camera just like the iPod Touch.
2. They do not have a flash which means you need really good external
lighting
3. None of these devices have vibration which means the tilt control feature
will not work.

I would also think that especially a full-sized iPad would be a lot harder
to hold properly and in the right position due to the weight and size. 


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of RobH.
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 1:23 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB on an iPad 4

But the question was for the iPads,  the iPad4 or the Mini retina are pretty
modern,  so why shouldn't KNFB work on those?

rh.
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From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 7:16 PM
Subject: RE: KNFB on an iPad 4


Hi Daniel,



That is not correct. KNFB officially says it works pon the iPhone 5 and up,
but several people on the list have reported that it works just as good if a
bit slower on an iPhone 4S. This is of course only logical since especially
between the 4S and the 5 there is very little difference in the camera. Even
the difference between the 4S camera and the iPhone 6 camera is not that
much, same 8 MP, 6 has a sensor with larger pixels which is good but
probably not crutial for OCR and the flash on the 5S and 6 is a true tone
flash which yields better colour rendering in low light, once again, not
something I would think makes a great difference when it comes to lighting
up a page of text.



The app, in fact, even works on the iPod Touch Fifth Gen although if that is
your only device you definitely may want to think twice about spending that
much since the iPod has no vibration so the tilt control would not work and
you wouldn't benefit fully from the features of the app.



It is my assumption that it would work just as well or even better on Ed's
iPad Fourth Gen since it has an A6 processor which is a generation better
than that of the iPod Touch, but it still only has a 5 MP camera just like
the iPod Touch and no vibration.





Regards,

Sieghard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Daniel Miller
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 10:03 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB on an iPad 4



Hello,

Unfortunately, KNFB Reader will not work on an iPad. It's iPhone 5 and above
only.



On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:49 AM, Pinky pink...@abe.midco.net
mailto:pink...@abe.midco.net  wrote:



Will the KNFB work on an iPad?  If someone has install it on an iPad 4 can
you please let me know how it works.



Thanks in advance.



ED



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Re: KNFB on an iPad 4

2014-09-21 Thread Joanne Chua
There is no reason why ipads won't work with KNFB reader. Like
sieghard mention, if you have the iphone and the ipad, you won't use
ipad for your camera input. If you have an ipod and an ipad, you still
won't use an ipad for the camera input. It need more works to take a
proper picture with an ipad, and to making sure that there are plenty
of light sources available externally, and you are not blocking the
light source as well.
However, if you have a scanstandpro, or a scanbox, there is no reason
why you can't do it.

On 21/09/2014, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Rob,

 I do mention the iPad in my message and said that it will probably work
 just
 fine and that the processor is actually better than that of the iPod Touch.
 However, there are still 3 differences which will probably have an impact
 on
 how well KNFB Reader performs:

 1. Even the iPad Mini Retina and the iPad Air (the newest at this time)
 still have only a 5 MP camera just like the iPod Touch.
 2. They do not have a flash which means you need really good external
 lighting
 3. None of these devices have vibration which means the tilt control
 feature
 will not work.

 I would also think that especially a full-sized iPad would be a lot harder
 to hold properly and in the right position due to the weight and size.


 Regards,
 Sieghard

 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of RobH.
 Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 1:23 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: KNFB on an iPad 4

 But the question was for the iPads,  the iPad4 or the Mini retina are
 pretty
 modern,  so why shouldn't KNFB work on those?

 rh.
 - Original Message -
 From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 7:16 PM
 Subject: RE: KNFB on an iPad 4


 Hi Daniel,



 That is not correct. KNFB officially says it works pon the iPhone 5 and up,
 but several people on the list have reported that it works just as good if
 a
 bit slower on an iPhone 4S. This is of course only logical since especially
 between the 4S and the 5 there is very little difference in the camera.
 Even
 the difference between the 4S camera and the iPhone 6 camera is not that
 much, same 8 MP, 6 has a sensor with larger pixels which is good but
 probably not crutial for OCR and the flash on the 5S and 6 is a true tone
 flash which yields better colour rendering in low light, once again, not
 something I would think makes a great difference when it comes to lighting
 up a page of text.



 The app, in fact, even works on the iPod Touch Fifth Gen although if that
 is
 your only device you definitely may want to think twice about spending that
 much since the iPod has no vibration so the tilt control would not work and
 you wouldn't benefit fully from the features of the app.



 It is my assumption that it would work just as well or even better on Ed's
 iPad Fourth Gen since it has an A6 processor which is a generation better
 than that of the iPod Touch, but it still only has a 5 MP camera just like
 the iPod Touch and no vibration.





 Regards,

 Sieghard



 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Daniel Miller
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 10:03 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: KNFB on an iPad 4



 Hello,

 Unfortunately, KNFB Reader will not work on an iPad. It's iPhone 5 and
 above
 only.



 On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:49 AM, Pinky pink...@abe.midco.net
 mailto:pink...@abe.midco.net  wrote:



 Will the KNFB work on an iPad?  If someone has install it on an iPad 4 can
 you please let me know how it works.



 Thanks in advance.



 ED



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Re: alex

2014-09-21 Thread Andrew Lamanche
Thanks so much!  I had powered off and on the iPad with no result but I would 
never have thought about just shutting down and restarting Voiceover with the 
tripple click shortcut.  It worked a treat!  Gosh, I wish there would be a 
tooltip making this clear to whoever downloads Alex.  smile  Thanks again.

Best wishes

Andrew
On 21 Sep 2014, at 07:59, Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com wrote:

 Just restart voiceover 
 
 Sent from my iPod 5
 
 keychat/google talk:
 r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
 primary email:
 d.pra...@me.com
 facebook/iMessage:
 devinpra...@live.com
 
 
 On Sep 21, 2014, at 01:51, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:
 
 I've downloaded Alex onto my iPad mini, which has the right kind of chip, 
 and although Alex is present in the voice rotor and it is selected in 
 Voiceover settings as default US voice, I can't hear him. Instead i hear 
 Samantha.  Has anyone else had this experience?
 
 Andrew
 On 21 Sep 2014, at 05:56, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Actually, I don't really like Alex on the Mac but he's okay with me on my 
 iPhone.
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 11:23 PM, Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 He doesn't sound as good as he does on the Mac. 
 
 Sent from my iPod 5
 
 keychat/google talk:
 r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
 primary email:
 d.pra...@me.com
 facebook/iMessage:
 devinpra...@live.com
 
 
 On Sep 19, 2014, at 14:12, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net 
 wrote:
 
 I've downloaded Alex on both my 5s and iPad Air.  For an 869 meg download 
 I was expecting to be wowed.  I can't in all honesty say that this was 
 the case.  He just doesn't sound as natural as the hype said he would.
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Alan
 
 Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
 
 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
 
 Please click on:
 HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played 
 on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
 my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
 
 - Original Message - From: Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:38 PM
 Subject: Re: alex
 
 
 What iDevice do you have? Alex, even though it sucks, runs only on 64bit 
 processors. They should've made it for other devices too like it sounded 
 like they were going to do in the first place.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Corey Michael Cook corey.coo...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 I have and it is not there
 
 
 Corey Cook
 Facebook:
 corey.coo...@gmail.com
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf
 Of Jim Ruby
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 7:03 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: alex
 
 Go to settings/ general/ accessability/ voice over/ speech/
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf
 Of Corey Michael Cook
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:50 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: alex
 
 How do you get alex?
 
 
 Corey Cook
 Facebook:
 corey.coo...@gmail.com
 
 
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RE: Handoff on iPhone 4s

2014-09-21 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Christopher,

 

The 4S does not support handoff just as it does not support Airdrop which
was introduced in iOS 7 last year. It has something to do with the
capabilities of the wireless radio and is a hardware issue.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of christopher hallsworth
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 12:44 AM
To: Viphone
Subject: Handoff on iPhone 4s

 

Hi all

 

Has anyone got Handoff working on an iPhone 4s running iOS 8? I can't even
find the feature under Settings  General like I can on my iPad Mini with
Retina 

also running iOS 8. Didn't think this was a hardware specific feature so
don't understand this at all.

 

Any replies greatly appreciated. Thanks!


Sent from my Macbook Pro 

 

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RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-21 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Rob,

I tried the volume button in KNFB Reader and at least for me it doesn't seem to 
work. ?But in any case, I actually find pushing the volume button is more 
likely to make me move the phone than a double tap or split tap. The iPhone's 
touch screen really requires a very light touch and with a bit of practice you 
can do a double tap and barely touch the screen.

What I haven't tried yet is to use the headset. This is probably the best 
method for taking a picture as you can press the middle part of the headset to 
take the picture or start/stop video recording and you don't even have to touch 
your phone at all or press any button.

As for holding the phone, I just hold it in my left hand gripping just the 
bottom half of the phone from underneath and I find this quite natural and then 
my right hand is free to do the tapping.


Regards,
Sieghard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
RobH.
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 1:33 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

I just read this and had this image, begging a question:-

Holding your phone in this unnatural position over a document, and feeling 
about the screen for buttons, and double tapping them to activate them... 
so how do you hold your orientation while fiddling with controls, and why don't 
this cause camera shake when doing the double tap to take the picture, don't 
the volume button shutter mehcanism work for this?

It just struck me how such a combination of things at once could indeed make 
the whole process a little shaky and flaky to some.

I was glad when I discovered the volume button could be used for the camera, 
since I never did any good trying to take photos while fiddling on the screen 
and tapping.

JMO, RobH.
- Original Message -
From: Kramlinger, Keith G., M.D. kramlinger.ke...@mayo.edu
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 11:28 PM
Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions


At one point on the AppleVis podcast, the demonstrator mentioned that it was 
important to first touch the screen with a finger to bring focus there, then 
to do a double tap. I don’t know if this is related to what you’re talking 
about, but it may be worth a try.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of BrianMiller
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:01 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

Thanks Sieghard… I use the two-finger double-tap all the time in other 
contexts, though… It’s like there are two layers of activity going on at the 
same time… One layer is the text being read to me, and the other layer is 
the app elements.  I can flick right and left and find a play/pause button, 
or a next and back button, but it absolutely will not respond to a 
two-finger double-tap.  Is there a setting I need to toggle to make this 
work?

Thanks,

Brian M


From: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 4:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

Hi Brian,

First of all, in my opinion KNFB Reader is not designed to read a 300 page 
book by doing free-hand scans of each page or even double page. If you are 
indeed scanning entire bvooks I think a flatbed scanner is still the way to 
go.

As far as using a 2-finger double tap to stop and start reading that does 
work for me. I suspect you don’t do the gesture quite correctly. If 
Voiceover tells you what is on the screen maybe it is just registering as a 
single 2-finger tap.

I find it easiest to hold the phone with one hand and to use the other to do 
my tapping. Having tilt feedback on I think works great and I occasionally 
use the field of view report. Fortunately I find it not too difficult to 
hold the phne level and usually within 5 degrees skew which doesn’t seem to 
effect the scan quality very much if at all. I guess everybody is different 
here just as people use different methods to hold the phone and type, it is 
something we all have to figure out for ourselves.


Regards,
Sieghard

From: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of BrianMiller
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.commailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

I just purchased the KNFB reader app this morning and have experimented a 
little bit with it… I scanned some food packages and some loose pages and a 
number of pages of a book, and I think there is a lot of potential with this 
app, but a few things I either haven’t figured out how to manage, or that 
need fixing…


1.For example, I can’t figure out how to get the app to stop reading 
a scan without tapping the play/pause button… In the 

Maps in Ios 8

2014-09-21 Thread Krister Ekstrom
Hi folks.
So, how do you think the Maps app in Ios8 work compared to earlier versions? I 
never got the hang of using it as a navigation tool with turn-by-turn 
instructions it sounded complicated and confusing to me in earlier versions, 
how does this work now? Does Apple Maps even have voice instructions?
/Krister

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Re: Maps in Ios 8

2014-09-21 Thread christopher hallsworth
Not tested this but VoiceOver will now speak any POI (points of interest) as 
you walk around providing you turn tracking on with headings.

Sent from my Macbook Pro

On 21 Sep 2014, at 10:24, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:

 Hi folks.
 So, how do you think the Maps app in Ios8 work compared to earlier versions? 
 I never got the hang of using it as a navigation tool with turn-by-turn 
 instructions it sounded complicated and confusing to me in earlier versions, 
 how does this work now? Does Apple Maps even have voice instructions?
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Re: Deleting a book in the current version of the audible app

2014-09-21 Thread Shameless FanGirl
Good morning all,

I too am seeing this behavior across approximately 6 Ios devices. Actions in 
the rotor is entirely absent from the audible app.

Don't reinstall. I did this, during the app crashing rather than opening event 
of a few days ago, and the issue still exists, so it appears I traded one nasty 
little bug for another. lol

Just more confirmation that it's happening here as well.

iPhone 5 s, iPad air iPad4, iPad2, and a 5th Gen iPod touch.

Sent from my iPad

 On Sep 21, 2014, at 1:49 AM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Your guys experience is so different from mine that i am starting to wonder 
 if we have the same version. Could somebody please check and confirm what 
 version you have? As far as I know I have the latest as stated in another 
 email, but maybe I am mistaken! But no, I  just went and checked in iTunes 
 and the current version is 2.2.1, which is what I have. I wonder if it has 
 anything to do with whether or not you opened the version just before this 
 that some people had problems using. I know i'mjust fishing for an 
 explanation! I guess the fix is more important than the explanation but I'm 
 just thinking the explanation might lead to the fix.
 
 
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 21, 2014, at 12:31 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 I also found that with the latest version the action rotor and the ability 
 to flick up or down to delete a book is gone.
 I called Audible this morning and reported this, but I think more people 
 need to do this and hopefully also send emails. When I called the customer 
 service number I this time was talking to a lady in Jamaica in a call centre 
 and while she said she would file this I am not so sure how effective that 
 is.
  
 Now, here is what I found works:
  
 1.   Double tap the top delete button which is to the left of the 
 refresh button.
 2.   Unfortunately it does not even say that it is activated or selected 
 any more. But if you now check the list of titles by moving your finger to 
 the left of the title (don’t flick, drag it straight to the left of the 
 title) you will find an Edit Mode button.
 3.   Double tap or split tap this button.
 4.   Now check to the right of the title on the right edge there is a 
 delete button beside each title. If you double tap or split tap on it after 
 first tapping the edit button you will be prompted to delete the book.
  
 Cheryl, could you maybe check once more really carefully which version you 
 have by going to Settings and then look towards the bottom. The most current 
 version is 2.2.1 (351).
 I currently have quite a few books downloaded, but if you really have this 
 built and the action rotor still works I think I will have to bite the 
 bullet and delete the app completely, reinstall it and then redownload my 
 books to see if this brings back the action rotor option which really was 
 great as far as deleteing books is concerned.
 Also, just to be on the same page, do you have it set to download the book 
 as one large single download or do you still download in parts?
  
  
 Regards,
 Sieghard
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Robin Frost
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 6:24 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Deleting a book in the current version of the audible app
  
 Hi,
 Running iOS8 on an iPhone 5s and the latest build of the audible app I can’t 
 reproduce your results for love nor money. Device is selected and tapping 
 the delete button merely causes the book to open and start playing. Further 
 more the rotor doesn’t even show me an action option in here.
 Robin
  
  
 From: Cheryl Homiak
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 6:12 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Deleting a book in the current version of the audible app
  
 I am using 2.1.1 and am having no problem. . make sure you have 
 double-tappped device so that it is selected. Flick right and you will hear 
 delebe button deactivated. Double-tap it with one finger. This activates 
 the delete button but doesn't delete anything. When you flick right again 
 you will come to something that says delete with a bookname. When you 
 double tap this it says remove and you double tap that.You get an alert 
 are you sure. Go right to the remove button and double tap it.I think this 
 is the way it has worked for a while now unless we are using different 
 versions. Once you have deleted everything on your device, if you want to do 
 that, the main delete button goes back to 

Re: Handoff on iPhone 4s

2014-09-21 Thread christopher hallsworth
Ar I see. Of course! I can't get Airdrop either in iOS 7. Forgot about the new 
wireless chip in the new phones. Lol! Good news though is phone calls and 
messages between devices work fine though.

Sent from my Macbook Pro

On 21 Sep 2014, at 09:51, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hi Christopher,
  
 The 4S does not support handoff just as it does not support Airdrop which was 
 introduced in iOS 7 last year. It has something to do with the capabilities 
 of the wireless radio and is a hardware issue.
  
  
 Regards,
 Sieghard
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 christopher hallsworth
 Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 12:44 AM
 To: Viphone
 Subject: Handoff on iPhone 4s
  
 Hi all
  
 Has anyone got Handoff working on an iPhone 4s running iOS 8? I can't even 
 find the feature under Settings  General like I can on my iPad Mini with 
 Retina 
 also running iOS 8. Didn't think this was a hardware specific feature so 
 don't understand this at all.
  
 Any replies greatly appreciated. Thanks!
 
 Sent from my Macbook Pro
  
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Re: alex

2014-09-21 Thread christopher hallsworth
Actually, it's a bug documented as minor over at
www.applevis.com


Sent from my Macbook Pro

On 21 Sep 2014, at 09:46, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:

 Thanks so much!  I had powered off and on the iPad with no result but I would 
 never have thought about just shutting down and restarting Voiceover with the 
 tripple click shortcut.  It worked a treat!  Gosh, I wish there would be a 
 tooltip making this clear to whoever downloads Alex.  smile  Thanks again.
 
 Best wishes
 
 Andrew
 On 21 Sep 2014, at 07:59, Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Just restart voiceover 
 
 Sent from my iPod 5
 
 keychat/google talk:
 r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
 primary email:
 d.pra...@me.com
 facebook/iMessage:
 devinpra...@live.com
 
 
 On Sep 21, 2014, at 01:51, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:
 
 I've downloaded Alex onto my iPad mini, which has the right kind of chip, 
 and although Alex is present in the voice rotor and it is selected in 
 Voiceover settings as default US voice, I can't hear him. Instead i hear 
 Samantha.  Has anyone else had this experience?
 
 Andrew
 On 21 Sep 2014, at 05:56, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Actually, I don't really like Alex on the Mac but he's okay with me on my 
 iPhone.
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 11:23 PM, Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 He doesn't sound as good as he does on the Mac. 
 
 Sent from my iPod 5
 
 keychat/google talk:
 r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
 primary email:
 d.pra...@me.com
 facebook/iMessage:
 devinpra...@live.com
 
 
 On Sep 19, 2014, at 14:12, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net 
 wrote:
 
 I've downloaded Alex on both my 5s and iPad Air.  For an 869 meg 
 download I was expecting to be wowed.  I can't in all honesty say that 
 this was the case.  He just doesn't sound as natural as the hype said he 
 would.
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Alan
 
 Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
 
 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
 
 Please click on:
 HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played 
 on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
 my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
 
 - Original Message - From: Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:38 PM
 Subject: Re: alex
 
 
 What iDevice do you have? Alex, even though it sucks, runs only on 64bit 
 processors. They should've made it for other devices too like it sounded 
 like they were going to do in the first place.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Corey Michael Cook 
 corey.coo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I have and it is not there
 
 
 Corey Cook
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 Go to settings/ general/ accessability/ voice over/ speech/
 
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Icloud back up problem

2014-09-21 Thread Lee Jones
Dear List, I restored my phone from an icloud back up.  .  , and ever since it 
keeps giving me the alert that itunes u cannot be downloaded at this time, and 
giving me the buttons done and retry , which ever one I activate the alert just 
keeps coming back.  I have turned on do not disturb with no luck, I have taken 
app store out of notifications but no cigar.  If the alert is coming from 
icloud there is no icloud in notifications that can be turned off.  I thought 
of deleting my icloud account from the phone, but it says that my account 
cannot be deleted because my phone is being restored.  I will do itunes back 
ups from now on, but can anyone help me with this problem  without me having to 
start from scratch.

Many Thanks, Lee

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Re: phone doesn't vibrate

2014-09-21 Thread Rebecca Ilniski
Hi all.  Thanks for getting back to me on this issue.  I did test it 
without voice over being on and sure enough it vibrated.  I'll have to 
call my carrier and let them know that it's a bug with voice over and 
IOS 8.  They suggested that I replace the phone but if I needed to do 
that the phone wouldn't vibrate at all so I'll take this bug as is and 
just report it to Apple and my carrier.


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Re: IOS 8 Released

2014-09-21 Thread Christopher J Chaltain
I agree there's too much bashing of other platforms going on. IMHO, we 
should all feel happy there's choice, and when someone else chooses a 
phone that we haven't chosen ourselves, we should be glad there's choice 
and not get defensive that the solution we went with wasn't selected. We 
may be elated with our choice for now, but things may change over time, 
and we may find ourselves happy we have options ourselves. I know I was 
a happy Nokia phone owner, but I was sure glad there were options when 
that Symbian based platform went by the boards.


I've seen multiple references now to the fragmentation going on in 
Apple's world, and to be honest, this just isn't the case. Fragmentation 
is not a single vendor supporting a few different screen sizes or models 
with different hardware from year to year. Fragmentation is multiple 
handsets from multiple vendors each with their own source code branch to 
support it.


Everyone who has a supported Apple device got IOS 8 at exactly the same 
time. Absolutely no one had to wait. This is not true in the Android 
world where new versions of Android need to be ported to different 
manufacturers hand sets once it's released. I'm not bashing Android, I'm 
an Android user myself. This model provides some great advantages, such 
as multiple form factors and a much greater degree of out of the box 
customization. Fragmentation is the price that's paid for these options 
though. Neither model is good or bad, they're just different, but try 
telling that to a fan boy from either camp.


I would agree Apple does a better job of supporting older hardware, but 
remember, we're comparing apples and oranges here. The fragmentation in 
the Android space does confuse this issue. I have a Nexis 7 that was 
released in 2012 and it'll be getting Android L when it's released later 
this year, so Google Play editions of Android phones are supported for 
quite a while. Android also runs on much lower end phone models. I don't 
think you'd expect a phone going for $100 or $200 to have the same 
longevity of support that you'd get for a $600 phone.


If you support all mobile platforms then I wouldn't accuse the Apple 
environment of becoming more fragmented. This is just an Android fan 
boyism being tossed out against Apple, and it just isn't true. And BTW, 
I don't consider myself an Apple fan boy, but you don't need to be to 
know that the Apple world is not fragmented the same way the Android 
world is.


On 9/20/2014 10:09 PM, Robin wrote:

That was then, and this is now.

Microsoft's WP8.1 works on MobilePhones such as WP8 MobilePhones, 
which were released 2 Years ago, and are still scheduled to receive 
more updates such as WP8.1 UpDate 1 and so forth. So I suggest you 
Stop Trashing other Mobile PlatForms in an effort to stray the 
conversation away from its primary purpose, which is Apple's iOS8 
doesn't appear to support the MobileDevices it stated it would give or 
take a couple of features such as Apple's iOS8 ApplePay.


Fragmentation IS rearing its head IN Apple's Garden. It's NOT 
exclusive to Google's Android anymore. Is it? If I'm wrong, someone 
(Apple FanBoys), please correct me. I'm NOT against Apple or any other 
Mobile Platform. I'm for accessibility IN all Mobile Platforms 
(Apple's iOS, Microsoft's Windows (WP),  Google's Android)


At 03:47 PM 9/20/2014, you wrote:
Works with iOS 8 with limitations. Apple does their best to support 
older hardware, and does a better job than Google and Microsoft. Good 
luck getting the latest version of Android working on a four year 
old Android phone. I also used to have similar problems getting new 
versions of Windows working on four year old computers.


The fact is, technology is always changing. Moore's Law states that 
device power will double every 18 months. So, a four year old device, 
such as an iPhone 4S, is the great grandfather to the iphone 6 (three 
generations ago).


David Chittenden, MSc, MRCAA
Email: dchitten...@gmail.com
Mobile: +64 21 2288 288
Sent from my iPhone

 On 21 Sep 2014, at 10:25, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com 
wrote:


 But the official statement from apple, who is who sold those iPhone 
4s, and

 who created IOs8, is that IOs 8, works on iPhone 4s.
 So, we should not trust in apple?


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Behalf

 Of Joanne Chua
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:39 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: IOS 8 Released

 Well, first at all, i'm not sure why people will upgrade t heir 4s 
to ios8.
 There are some key eatures on ios8 that won't be supported by 
iphone 5c and

 below, and some are quite exclusive to 6 and 6+.
 And again, all these support or not supported, for which phones and 
which
 ios, it is not something new. It is the same old same old arguement 
from

 pretty much the first gen of iphone to now.
 People constently have problems reported from an old phone upgraded 
to the

 

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Re: Using Hey, Seri

2014-09-21 Thread Ben Mustill-Rose
Hi,

It works better on some devices than others; my iPad4 consistantly
gets better results than my new iPhone 6. Generally speaking I find
that I can operate the iPad from the otherside of the room if nobody
else is talking but my iPhone has to be within a couple of feet from
me.

To be honest I doubt it's a feature I'll be using that much. The
novelty of controling a device from the otherside of a room is kind of
cool, but once that's warn off, I'll probably just forget that it's
possible because it's not possible to do all of the time.
Additionally, a sighted friend remarked that depending on what you use
Siri for, you might have to pick the device up to read the output
anyway so you might as well invoke Siri using the traditional method.

Cheers,
Ben.

On 9/21/14, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Eric,

 I noticed this from time to time and it is quite funny. The first time it
 happened I was listening via my bluetooth speaker and it was sitting only a
 foot or 2 away from the iPhone. Once I figured out why SIRI activated
 itself
 I replayed the same passage many times and exactly at the same word
 combination SIRI activated. Since then it has happened to me quite a few
 times and I don't recall what words were spoken each time, but they
 definitely weren't even close to Hey SIRI.


 Regards,
 Sieghard

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 Of SSEric
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 Subject: RE: Using Hey, Seri

 Just now had the dumbest thing happen. Was listening to a book on the Touch
 5 with IOS8 using a bluetooth speaker. BARD Mobile was open. All of a
 sudden, I hear the Seri tones and then the male voice saying Here is what
 I
 found about... and it mentioned a couple of words that had just been read
 from the book.

 It do get stranger and stranger...



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 Subject: Re: Using Hey, Seri

 He said it was plugged in. I find it inconsistent. Sometimes it works and
 other times it doesn't. When it works, he gives half his answer then stops.

 On 9/20/14, Les Kriegler kriegle...@gmail.com wrote:
 I thought I heard on a podcast that one has to have the phone plugged
 into use that feature.

 Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:31 PM, SSEric sseri...@gmail.com wrote:

 I have only downloaded IOS8 onto my Touch 5 so far. Last night I
 tried using Seri when the phone was sleeping.. I heard the tones like
 it heard me or it had finished listening, but I never got a reply. I
 did not check the screen to see if it showed a response, but it did
 not speak one

 Has anyone tried this on a Touch or 4S. I am wondering if it is just
 the older processor.

 For those who do not know, you can just say hey Seri when the phone
 is sleeping, as long as the power cord is attached.

 Thanks for pointers.



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help with removing U2 album from my iPhone 4s

2014-09-21 Thread David

Hi list.

I was wondering how to remove the U2 album off my phone. I don't have iTunes 
on my computer. Is there a way to remove the album without iTunes? I'm 
experiencing a bug where, if I double tap with 2 fingers to activate another 
function e.g. Facebook, the U2 album starts playing. Any idea how I can stop 
this? using an iphone 4s.


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Re: Deleting a book in the current version of the audible app

2014-09-21 Thread Cheryl Homiak
So the question remains: why is it happening on some devices but not all. I 
never opened Audible during the debut of the other bug a few days ago. Could 
that have anything to do with it?

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I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Sep 21, 2014, at 5:01 AM, Shameless FanGirl shamelessfang...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Good morning all,
 
 I too am seeing this behavior across approximately 6 Ios devices. Actions in 
 the rotor is entirely absent from the audible app.
 
 Don't reinstall. I did this, during the app crashing rather than opening 
 event of a few days ago, and the issue still exists, so it appears I traded 
 one nasty little bug for another. lol
 
 Just more confirmation that it's happening here as well.
 
 iPhone 5 s, iPad air iPad4, iPad2, and a 5th Gen iPod touch.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Sep 21, 2014, at 1:49 AM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Your guys experience is so different from mine that i am starting to wonder 
 if we have the same version. Could somebody please check and confirm what 
 version you have? As far as I know I have the latest as stated in another 
 email, but maybe I am mistaken! But no, I  just went and checked in iTunes 
 and the current version is 2.2.1, which is what I have. I wonder if it has 
 anything to do with whether or not you opened the version just before this 
 that some people had problems using. I know i'mjust fishing for an 
 explanation! I guess the fix is more important than the explanation but I'm 
 just thinking the explanation might lead to the fix.
 
 
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 21, 2014, at 12:31 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 I also found that with the latest version the action rotor and the ability 
 to flick up or down to delete a book is gone.
 I called Audible this morning and reported this, but I think more people 
 need to do this and hopefully also send emails. When I called the customer 
 service number I this time was talking to a lady in Jamaica in a call 
 centre and while she said she would file this I am not so sure how 
 effective that is.
  
 Now, here is what I found works:
  
 1.   Double tap the top delete button which is to the left of the 
 refresh button.
 2.   Unfortunately it does not even say that it is activated or 
 selected any more. But if you now check the list of titles by moving your 
 finger to the left of the title (don't flick, drag it straight to the left 
 of the title) you will find an Edit Mode button.
 3.   Double tap or split tap this button.
 4.   Now check to the right of the title on the right edge there is a 
 delete button beside each title. If you double tap or split tap on it after 
 first tapping the edit button you will be prompted to delete the book.
  
 Cheryl, could you maybe check once more really carefully which version you 
 have by going to Settings and then look towards the bottom. The most 
 current version is 2.2.1 (351).
 I currently have quite a few books downloaded, but if you really have this 
 built and the action rotor still works I think I will have to bite the 
 bullet and delete the app completely, reinstall it and then redownload my 
 books to see if this brings back the action rotor option which really was 
 great as far as deleteing books is concerned.
 Also, just to be on the same page, do you have it set to download the book 
 as one large single download or do you still download in parts?
  
  
 Regards,
 Sieghard
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
 Of Robin Frost
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 6:24 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Deleting a book in the current version of the audible app
  
 Hi,
 Running iOS8 on an iPhone 5s and the latest build of the audible app I 
 can't reproduce your results for love nor money. Device is selected and 
 tapping the delete button merely causes the book to open and start playing. 
 Further more the rotor doesn't even show me an action option in here.
 Robin
  
  
 From: Cheryl Homiak
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 6:12 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Deleting a book in the current version of the audible app
  
 I am 

Re: alex

2014-09-21 Thread Cheryl Homiak
Yeah, I did that when i installed Alex; had heard about having to do it 
somewhere. But can't remember where.

-- 
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Sep 21, 2014, at 3:46 AM, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:

 Thanks so much!  I had powered off and on the iPad with no result but I would 
 never have thought about just shutting down and restarting Voiceover with the 
 tripple click shortcut.  It worked a treat!  Gosh, I wish there would be a 
 tooltip making this clear to whoever downloads Alex.  smile  Thanks again.
 
 Best wishes
 
 Andrew
 On 21 Sep 2014, at 07:59, Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Just restart voiceover 
 
 Sent from my iPod 5
 
 keychat/google talk:
 r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
 primary email:
 d.pra...@me.com
 facebook/iMessage:
 devinpra...@live.com
 
 
 On Sep 21, 2014, at 01:51, Andrew Lamanche ioani...@me.com wrote:
 
 I've downloaded Alex onto my iPad mini, which has the right kind of chip, 
 and although Alex is present in the voice rotor and it is selected in 
 Voiceover settings as default US voice, I can't hear him. Instead i hear 
 Samantha.  Has anyone else had this experience?
 
 Andrew
 On 21 Sep 2014, at 05:56, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Actually, I don't really like Alex on the Mac but he's okay with me on my 
 iPhone.
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 11:23 PM, Devin Prater r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 He doesn't sound as good as he does on the Mac. 
 
 Sent from my iPod 5
 
 keychat/google talk:
 r.d.t.pra...@gmail.com
 primary email:
 d.pra...@me.com
 facebook/iMessage:
 devinpra...@live.com
 
 
 On Sep 19, 2014, at 14:12, Alan Paganelli alanandsuza...@earthlink.net 
 wrote:
 
 I've downloaded Alex on both my 5s and iPad Air.  For an 869 meg 
 download I was expecting to be wowed.  I can't in all honesty say that 
 this was the case.  He just doesn't sound as natural as the hype said he 
 would.
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Alan
 
 Go Chicago Bears in 2014!
 
 Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
 Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.
 
 Please click on:
 HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
 There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played 
 on
 the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on 
 my website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!
 
 - Original Message - From: Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 4:38 PM
 Subject: Re: alex
 
 
 What iDevice do you have? Alex, even though it sucks, runs only on 64bit 
 processors. They should've made it for other devices too like it sounded 
 like they were going to do in the first place.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 6:06 PM, Corey Michael Cook 
 corey.coo...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I have and it is not there
 
 
 Corey Cook
 Facebook:
 corey.coo...@gmail.com
 
 
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 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 7:03 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: alex
 
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Re: Apple Blutooth Keyboard Kind of Working, but?

2014-09-21 Thread Cheryl Homiak
I received an email about how to solve bluetooth problems with rivvo. I will 
forward it to the list as it might also help people with other keyboards who 
are having issues. 

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The steadfast love of the Lord
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(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Sep 21, 2014, at 12:53 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hi Joseph,
 
 Unfortunately that seems to be one of the major problems, a large amount of
 inconsistency when it comes to these issues. I don't think there is much you
 can do except try to restore again and hope you have less problems. Maybe
 try a factory restore and see how things work before restoring your backup.
 You can always restore it later and if you have less problems with a new
 setup it might be worthwhile to rebuilt from scratch.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
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 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 9:51 PM
 To: VI Phones
 Subject: Apple Blutooth Keyboard Kind of Working, but?
 Importance: High
 
 Hello Listers,
 After upgrading to iOS 8 on my iPhone 4s, for a while things were working
 ok. Then this morning VO started shutting off and back on. It got so bad
 that I decided to restore the phone. After that, the Apple Bluetooth
 keyboard is really acting strange.
 
 1. When I arrow around the home screens, the keyboard moves like it should,
 as long as the quick nav is on. If it's off, while holding down the VO keys,
 arrowing does nothing.
 
 2. Even if quick nav is on and I am arrowing around, when I come to the app
 I want to open, I press VO space and the unit just emits a bonk sound and
 nothing else.
 
 3. When in an edit field, pressing the space bar to go to edit, again, the
 space bar just bonks.
 
 4. Things like VO k do nothing.
 
 As I mentioned earlier today, and yesterday, the bluetooth keyboard was
 working ok.
 
 Any thoughts folks?
 
 Thanks a bunch.
 
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Fwd: How to solve an issue in iOS 8.0 which makes Bluetooth keyboards not working

2014-09-21 Thread Cheryl Homiak
I am forwarding this because it possibly might help people with bluetooth 
keyboard issues with other keyboards.

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Begin forwarded message:

 Dear our valued RiVO customers,
 
 We have found a small but serious issue in iOS 8.0 which could make any 
 Bluetooth keyboards including RiVO not working. If you suffer from the issue, 
 please read on. You may read the text in this email or follow the link to 
 read it from web browser.
 
 RiVO Troubleshooting tip: An issue in iOS 8.0 which makes Bluetooth keyboards 
 not working
 
 There is a small bug in iOS 8.0, which makes all the Bluetooth keyboards 
 including RiVO not working for VoiceOver except a few functions. We have 
 found a way to cope with it although not a neat one. Once the problem 
 disappears, however, it doesn't appear again unless you change the iPhone 
 Language in Settings, General, Language  Region. To make the problem 
 disappear from your iPhone, follow the steps below:
 
 a. If you use just one software keyboard in iPhone, temporarily add another 
 in Settings, General, Keyboard, Keyboards, Add New Keyboard. You may add 
 arbitrary one.
 
 b. Open the Notes app.
 
 c. Create a new note.
 
 d. Hold down L1 and press B7 to turn off the quick navigation option.
 
 e. Press L3 to turn RiVO into typing mode.
 
 f. Hold down L1 and press L3 a few times to cycle through the list of 
 software keyboards.
 
 g. Hold down L1 and press B7 to turn on the quick navigation option.
 
 h. Now RiVO should work fine. If you want, you may delete the software 
 keyboard temporarily added at Settings, General, Keyboard, Keyboards.
 
 Thanks.
 Best regards,
 
 RiVO team at Mobience
 
 RiVO: mobience.com/rivo
 Twitter: twitter.com/mobience
 Facebook: facebook.com/mobience

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Re: Deleting a book in the current version of the audible app

2014-09-21 Thread Cathy
I to, am not sure how to delete books in the audible app since the update.  Can 
someone tell me the work around to delete them?  Thanks in advance.
Cathy  Pilot Dog, Tiny:

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Re: Maps in Ios 8

2014-09-21 Thread Alex Hall
If you double tap the tracking button until it says on with headings, you can 
hear upcoming street intersections and POIs. This isn't perfect yet, but it can 
be useful. I haven't tried this next part, but you could combine this with the 
spoken directions available in iOS7 to get an even better experience. Simply 
tell Siri directions to [some location] and leave the Maps app open, with 
tracking set as described. Spoken directions plus notifications of all streets 
and some POIs... Not bad for a free, built-in app. I have a more thorough 
overview of this new feature of Maps on AppleVis, if anyone's interested:
http://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-ios-news/initial-impressions-spoken-announcements-ios-8-maps
On Sep 21, 2014, at 5:54 AM, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
wrote:

 Not tested this but VoiceOver will now speak any POI (points of interest) as 
 you walk around providing you turn tracking on with headings.
 
 Sent from my Macbook Pro
 
 On 21 Sep 2014, at 10:24, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
 
 Hi folks.
 So, how do you think the Maps app in Ios8 work compared to earlier versions? 
 I never got the hang of using it as a navigation tool with turn-by-turn 
 instructions it sounded complicated and confusing to me in earlier versions, 
 how does this work now? Does Apple Maps even have voice instructions?
 /Krister
 
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Re: The good things in iOS8

2014-09-21 Thread ROBERT CARTER
Thanks Laura. I too feel lots of gratitude for all that iOS 8 brings.

Robert Carter


On Sep 20, 2014, at 7:00 PM, Laura laura@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi
 
 I know there have been some bugs, and I know there's been some upset, but I 
 wanted to take a moment to recognise the good things in iOS8. 
 
 I love the direct typing feature. I've been hoping for it for years, and I'm 
 so much faster on both the iPad and iPhone as a result. I also love having 
 Alex as an option, and having braille as a universal input will make it much 
 easier to type in louder environments  
 
 I'm not saying we shouldn't give them feedback about the bugs, or that we 
 shouldn't complain if they don't listen, but we could also recognise the 
 things they have done well. And it's also worth noting that a lot of sighted 
 people are upset about the bugs in the current release. I'd be wary about 
 reading too much into apple's commitment to accessibility based on the 
 voiceover bugs in this release. 
 
 Cheers. 
 
 Laura
 
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Re: help with removing U2 album from my iPhone 4s

2014-09-21 Thread Richard Turner
A two finger double tap will start and stop the last audio that was playing, it 
has nothing to do with that particular album.

If you take music out of the app switcher, it should stop playing music when 
you double tap with two fingers.


But, if you want to delete any album or song from your iPhone, open music,
get focus on the particular album or song in the list, don't open it, but flick 
up with one finger and you should hear delete? then double tap with one finger 
and poof, no more album etc.
Just like deleting Email, etc.
HTH,
Richard


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 Hi list.
 
 I was wondering how to remove the U2 album off my phone. I don't have iTunes 
 on my computer. Is there a way to remove the album without iTunes? I'm 
 experiencing a bug where, if I double tap with 2 fingers to activate another 
 function e.g. Facebook, the U2 album starts playing. Any idea how I can stop 
 this? using an iphone 4s.
 
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Re: How to solve an issue in iOS 8.0 which makes Bluetooth keyboards not working

2014-09-21 Thread Teresa Cochran
 Hi, Cheryl,

What is the equivalent of Step f in the instructions, in which you cycle 
through your available keyboards once you've added one? How do you do this on a 
full keyboard? It doesn't seem like you'd push the keyboards button on the 
on-screen keyboard.
Thanks,
Teresa

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Direct touch typing

2014-09-21 Thread Alvin


Sorry if this topic has already been covered. How do I use direct touch typing? 
Thank you. 

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RE: Seeking Mac List Recommendations

2014-09-21 Thread Tom Rash
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Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 1:09 PM
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Subject: Seeking Mac List Recommendations

I've learned so much from this list that I am looking for recommendations of
comparable Mac lists from which I could learn as I contemplate a change to
Mac computers from my 33-year use of IBM compatible and Windows-based
computers. I'm interested in a list that will discuss all aspects of Mac
computers including screen readers, running Windows on them either with the
VMware Fusion product or through Boot Camp, and Mac OS upgrades. I'd also be
interested in any resource recommendations dealing with the migration from
Windows to Mac computers.

 

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Re: Exporting with KNFB Reader

2014-09-21 Thread Richard Turner
Hi Sieghard,
Sure thing.
Open the file explorer screen.
Then, double tap on the edit button.
Then, do a one finger flick right until you find the document you want to 
export. You will hear a delete option first, then the next flick gets you to 
the document name.
Double tap and several options will appear. Flick right to Export and double 
tap.
This is where things are not quite perfect yet.
The first time, you have to  export as KNFB format. Then once you have done 
that, open the app switcher and go back to KNFB Reader and export in txt or 
html.
The next document you export, you won't have to do the KNFB format.
HTH,
Richard


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Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 20, 2014, at 9:40 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Hi Richard,
  
 Could you give a few pointers as to how to export a file? I just haven’t seen 
 an Export option or, for that matter, a file format option. All I get is a 
 Save option.
  
  
 Regards,
 Sieghard
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Richard Turner
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 2:11 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Exporting with KNFB Reader
  
 Apparently the work around that Terrell Jones sent me fixes the issue so the 
 next time you export a file you can go direct to the text format of your 
 choice without having to do the knfb format first.
 Richard
  
  
 Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education. - Victor Hugo
 
  
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 12:35 PM, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What about KNFB running on the 5s?
 It works properly?
 
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 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Larry Smith
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 8:32 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Exporging with KNFB Reader
 
 Same here. I'm running KNFB on an iPhone 5. I notice this when I first
 installed the software, but I dismissed it thinking I had perhaps missed a
 step. I tried exporting it to dropbox and I also tried the option to open it
 in pages. Neither option worked.
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Jon C. Pierson joncpier...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 Hi Richard,
 I can confirm it here on an iPhone 4S running IOS8.
  
 Jon
  
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 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Richard Turner
 
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 2:33 AM
 To: supp...@knfbreader.com; ViPone list
 Subject: Exporging with KNFB Reader
  
 There is a bug in KNFB reader, at least under iOS 8 on the iPhone 5S.
  
 Save a document.
 Open the File xplorer screen.
 Double-tap on the edit button.
  
 Double-tap on the bilename.
 Flick right with one hinger to Export To and double-tap.
 Double tap on the file type, I tried both plain text and formatted text.
 Double tap on where you want to Export, I tried dropbox and pages and
 groupmail.
 
 You are put back in the screen to chose the format.
 I've tried this with two different documents.
 I consider this a significant bug.
 Richard
  
  
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I have my Bluetooth Keyboard Back! Re: How to solve an issue in iOS 8.0 which makes Bluetooth keyboards not working

2014-09-21 Thread Teresa Cochran
I followed the instructions in the original post in this thread, and I have my 
keyboard back. Thanks fo posting this, Cheryl.

Teresa

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Trimming Voice Memos?

2014-09-21 Thread Alex Hall
Hi all,
I've just started playing with the Voice Memos app - I didn't realize how good 
the microphone on my 5 was. My only question is whether the trim feature is 
accessible. At first look it appears to not be, but I may well be missing 
something. Thanks for any thoughts.
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JAWS ITunes

2014-09-21 Thread Lynda Ingraham
Hi, 

I have been unable to reset my Ipad mini. Is there a command that will allow
me to read character-by-character in JAWS? I am using JAWS 14. I need to get
the serial number to call Apple for assistance. 

Thank you, 

Lynda  

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Fwd: How to solve an issue in iOS 8.0 which makes Bluetooth keyboards not working

2014-09-21 Thread Richard Turner
Thanks to Cheryl for forwarding this.
If you do not have the RiVO keyboard, just use the on screen keyboard and 
double-tap and hold on the next keyboard button to the right of the numbers 
button in the lower left of the screen.
Once you have added the extra software keyboard and gone through the steps 
below, at least for me and at least one other person, the bluetooth keyboard is 
working again, which is what I am writing this message on.
Thanks to the RiVo team for figuring this out.  Perhaps Apple should hire them.

 RiVO Troubleshooting tip: An issue in iOS 8.0 which makes Bluetooth 
 keyboards not working
 
 There is a small bug in iOS 8.0, which makes all the Bluetooth keyboards 
 including RiVO not working for VoiceOver except a few functions. We have 
 found a way to cope with it although not a neat one. Once the problem 
 disappears, however, it doesn't appear again unless you change the iPhone 
 Language in Settings, General, Language  Region. To make the problem 
 disappear from your iPhone, follow the steps below:
 
 a. If you use just one software keyboard in iPhone, temporarily add another 
 in Settings, General, Keyboard, Keyboards, Add New Keyboard. You may add 
 arbitrary one.
 
 b. Open the Notes app.
 
 c. Create a new note.
 
 d. Hold down L1 and press B7 to turn off the quick navigation option.
 
 e. Press L3 to turn RiVO into typing mode.
 
 f. Hold down L1 and press L3 a few times to cycle through the list of 
 software keyboards.
 
 g. Hold down L1 and press B7 to turn on the quick navigation option.
 
 h. Now RiVO should work fine. If you want, you may delete the software 
 keyboard temporarily added at Settings, General, Keyboard, Keyboards.
 
 Thanks.
 Best regards,
 
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 Facebook: facebook.com/mobience
 
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Re: Apple Blutooth Keyboard Kind of Working, but?

2014-09-21 Thread Joseph
Hello,
Hey, thanks a bunch. I'll be more than willing to give it a shot and perhaps it 
will help others. Thanks.

On Sep 21, 2014, at 4:47 AM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:

 I received an email about how to solve bluetooth problems with rivvo. I will 
 forward it to the list as it might also help people with other keyboards who 
 are having issues. 
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 21, 2014, at 12:53 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Hi Joseph,
 
 Unfortunately that seems to be one of the major problems, a large amount of
 inconsistency when it comes to these issues. I don't think there is much you
 can do except try to restore again and hope you have less problems. Maybe
 try a factory restore and see how things work before restoring your backup.
 You can always restore it later and if you have less problems with a new
 setup it might be worthwhile to rebuilt from scratch.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Joseph
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 9:51 PM
 To: VI Phones
 Subject: Apple Blutooth Keyboard Kind of Working, but?
 Importance: High
 
 Hello Listers,
 After upgrading to iOS 8 on my iPhone 4s, for a while things were working
 ok. Then this morning VO started shutting off and back on. It got so bad
 that I decided to restore the phone. After that, the Apple Bluetooth
 keyboard is really acting strange.
 
 1. When I arrow around the home screens, the keyboard moves like it should,
 as long as the quick nav is on. If it's off, while holding down the VO keys,
 arrowing does nothing.
 
 2. Even if quick nav is on and I am arrowing around, when I come to the app
 I want to open, I press VO space and the unit just emits a bonk sound and
 nothing else.
 
 3. When in an edit field, pressing the space bar to go to edit, again, the
 space bar just bonks.
 
 4. Things like VO k do nothing.
 
 As I mentioned earlier today, and yesterday, the bluetooth keyboard was
 working ok.
 
 Any thoughts folks?
 
 Thanks a bunch.
 
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Re: How to solve an issue in iOS 8.0 which makes Bluetooth keyboards not working

2014-09-21 Thread Joseph
Hello, 
This is really interesting. 
Cheryl, thanks for posting this.
One question though. In following step F, how do you switch between keyboards 
on the bluetooth keyboard?

On Sep 21, 2014, at 4:49 AM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:

 I am forwarding this because it possibly might help people with bluetooth 
 keyboard issues with other keyboards.
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 Begin forwarded message:
 
 Dear our valued RiVO customers,
 
 We have found a small but serious issue in iOS 8.0 which could make any 
 Bluetooth keyboards including RiVO not working. If you suffer from the 
 issue, please read on. You may read the text in this email or follow the 
 link to read it from web browser.
 
 RiVO Troubleshooting tip: An issue in iOS 8.0 which makes Bluetooth 
 keyboards not working
 
 There is a small bug in iOS 8.0, which makes all the Bluetooth keyboards 
 including RiVO not working for VoiceOver except a few functions. We have 
 found a way to cope with it although not a neat one. Once the problem 
 disappears, however, it doesn't appear again unless you change the iPhone 
 Language in Settings, General, Language  Region. To make the problem 
 disappear from your iPhone, follow the steps below:
 
 a. If you use just one software keyboard in iPhone, temporarily add another 
 in Settings, General, Keyboard, Keyboards, Add New Keyboard. You may add 
 arbitrary one.
 
 b. Open the Notes app.
 
 c. Create a new note.
 
 d. Hold down L1 and press B7 to turn off the quick navigation option.
 
 e. Press L3 to turn RiVO into typing mode.
 
 f. Hold down L1 and press L3 a few times to cycle through the list of 
 software keyboards.
 
 g. Hold down L1 and press B7 to turn on the quick navigation option.
 
 h. Now RiVO should work fine. If you want, you may delete the software 
 keyboard temporarily added at Settings, General, Keyboard, Keyboards.
 
 Thanks.
 Best regards,
 
 RiVO team at Mobience
 
 RiVO: mobience.com/rivo
 Twitter: twitter.com/mobience
 Facebook: facebook.com/mobience
 
 
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Re: How to solve an issue in iOS 8.0 which makes Bluetooth keyboards not working

2014-09-21 Thread Joseph
Hello,
OK, it works in edit fields for now.
Come on Apple.

On Sep 21, 2014, at 6:52 AM, Richard Turner rich...@turner42.com wrote:

 Thanks to Cheryl for forwarding this.
 If you do not have the RiVO keyboard, just use the on screen keyboard and 
 double-tap and hold on the next keyboard button to the right of the numbers 
 button in the lower left of the screen.
 Once you have added the extra software keyboard and gone through the steps 
 below, at least for me and at least one other person, the bluetooth keyboard 
 is working again, which is what I am writing this message on.
 Thanks to the RiVo team for figuring this out.  Perhaps Apple should hire 
 them.
 
 RiVO Troubleshooting tip: An issue in iOS 8.0 which makes Bluetooth 
 keyboards not working
 
 There is a small bug in iOS 8.0, which makes all the Bluetooth keyboards 
 including RiVO not working for VoiceOver except a few functions. We have 
 found a way to cope with it although not a neat one. Once the problem 
 disappears, however, it doesn't appear again unless you change the iPhone 
 Language in Settings, General, Language  Region. To make the problem 
 disappear from your iPhone, follow the steps below:
 
 a. If you use just one software keyboard in iPhone, temporarily add another 
 in Settings, General, Keyboard, Keyboards, Add New Keyboard. You may add 
 arbitrary one.
 
 b. Open the Notes app.
 
 c. Create a new note.
 
 d. Hold down L1 and press B7 to turn off the quick navigation option.
 
 e. Press L3 to turn RiVO into typing mode.
 
 f. Hold down L1 and press L3 a few times to cycle through the list of 
 software keyboards.
 
 g. Hold down L1 and press B7 to turn on the quick navigation option.
 
 h. Now RiVO should work fine. If you want, you may delete the software 
 keyboard temporarily added at Settings, General, Keyboard, Keyboards.
 
 Thanks.
 Best regards,
 
 RiVO team at Mobience
 
 RiVO: mobience.com/rivo
 Twitter: twitter.com/mobience
 Facebook: facebook.com/mobience
 
 
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RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-21 Thread Pablo Morales
Ok guys, but I am searching in the appstore for knfb reader, and appears
something like leo or something like that. It is the only result related
with knfb reader. Any clue searching this app in the app store?

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ron Pelletier
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

 

Sieghard,

 

I found exactly what you did. The company did not let us down. Its really
worth its money.  It sounded a bit expensive at the beginning but, when you
see what it does, its worth every penny.  I'm about to delete all the others
also.

I still would like the vibrator to work in the vertical to position for
documents mounted on the wall or bulletin boards.

 

Ron  Danvers

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

 

I purchased KNFB Reader this morning and tried it with a few printed
documents including a plain letter asking for a donation, an invoice and
something else. I used the phone in portrait mode and also had the letter
size document in portrait mode. KNFB Reader did an outstanding job on the
letter and I had very good results from the invoice and the other document.
The app is outstanding and I have already deleted Prizmo and Text Grabber
from my phone since I don't see myself using them any more now that I have
KNFB Reader.

 

The tilt feedback via vibrations is very useful and the field of view report
is amazing. The fact that it tells you whether you are holding the phone
even the slightest little bit turned with respect to the page qlong with
which edges are visible is awesome.

As Jonathan already pointed out the recognition is lightning fast and what I
really like is how simple the app is. They have definitely outdone
themselves with that app.

I have yet to put it through its paces in other situations, but I am already
very happy about my $100 investment as I know that it will be of much use in
the years to come.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

 

I contacted support at KNFB Reader and was advised to use portrait mode if
possible, both for the document layout and with the phone.

On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Kayaker sea...@me.com wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that
taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves
results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the
order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless
background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape

 

I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue.
Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels.

 

 

-k

Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the
questions.

 

 

 

On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:

 

There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results.

I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press.
it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ 

 

On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com
wrote:

 

I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the
document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been thinking
there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone
with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather as if i had
it in landscape mode?

/Krister

 

18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org:

 

Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing,
but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone
lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of
text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or visually. Then
hold the phone sideways a few centimetres above the page. Use the vibration
feedback so that the phone stops vibrating, indicating you have the angle
right, then take the picture. For further feedback before you take the
picture, you might use the field of view report, particularly in the early
stages.

Good luck. This thing really rocks so stick with it.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ 

 

On 19/09/2014, at 3:53 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com
wrote:

 

What 

Re: Trimming Voice Memos?

2014-09-21 Thread Joseph
Hello,
When I attempted to trim a file, I didn't get any VO feedback when pressing and 
holding to move the sliders other than it saying 0. That's been my experience.

On Sep 21, 2014, at 6:34 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 I've just started playing with the Voice Memos app - I didn't realize how 
 good the microphone on my 5 was. My only question is whether the trim feature 
 is accessible. At first look it appears to not be, but I may well be missing 
 something. Thanks for any thoughts.
 --
 Have a great day,
 Alex Hall
 mehg...@icloud.com
 
 
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downloading alex

2014-09-21 Thread Rebecca Ilniski
Hi all.  Last night after apple accessibility had me back up my phone 
and then we did a total restore I lost the alex voice.  Now I'm having 
trouble downloading it.  It says preparing to download and just sits 
there.  my wifi is connected and at 86 percent. Anything else I should 
do?  I've tried shutting off my i phone and restarting it and going in 
to the settings and have been waiting for at least 10 minutes and Alex 
still isn't downloading.  I'm stuck on the preparing to download.


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Unable to activate buttons with IOS 8

2014-09-21 Thread Olivia Norman
Hi everyone,

Well, I went to activate my new iPhone 6 on an app I'm testing for work.
The site presents the user with a dashboard and buttons which previously
worked on IOS 7. So I went to add my device only to discover that double
tapping on the buttons did nothing at all.

I assumed this was just a bug with this particular site and app so decided
to purchase a song in the iTunes store.  Double tapped on the button to
purchase, but couldn't activate that either.

Is the ability to activate buttons broken in IOS 8? If so, this is a major
performance issue which needs to be addressed.

Interesting that I'm now getting great results with KNFB reader on the new
phone, but this buttons thing is crazy!

Any good work-arounds?

Olivia

 

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Re: Unable to activate buttons with IOS 8

2014-09-21 Thread Kellie
If it's the bug I'm thinking of, in order to activate the buttons you will need 
to make sure that the button is visually on the screen. So try doing a three 
finger swipe to switch pages and then see if the button will activate. It is a 
really annoying performance bug.

Kellie and guide Loki 
Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 21, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Olivia Norman olivianor...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 Well, I went to activate my new iPhone 6 on an app I’m testing for work.  The 
 site presents the user with a dashboard and buttons which previously worked 
 on IOS 7. So I went to add my device only to discover that double tapping on 
 the buttons did nothing at all.
 I assumed this was just a bug with this particular site and app so decided to 
 purchase a song in the iTunes store.  Double tapped on the button to 
 purchase, but couldn’t activate that either.
 Is the ability to activate buttons broken in IOS 8? If so, this is a major 
 performance issue which needs to be addressed.
 Interesting that I’m now getting great results with KNFB reader on the new 
 phone, but this buttons thing is crazy!
 Any good work-arounds?
 Olivia
  
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Question about undoing dictation on iOS eight

2014-09-21 Thread Kellie
Hey all, I was just curious if this is a new feature or a bug on iOS eight. 
Whenever I shake my phone to undo a dictation it only select the text but 
doesn't actually delete it. Is that a change or a bug does anyone know?

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RE: Apple Releases U2 Removal Tool, Today

2014-09-21 Thread Pablo Morales
But hold on, I didn't download any album, and I am seeing them in my music
app. It is very annoying. If I didn't download anything, why I have to take
their music, or advertizing of music, that I don't want?
If I put music from my computer, I have to see my music, the music that I
want, between the music that apple wants to sale me?
It is ridicules


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Releases U2 Removal Tool, Today

I just went to music, artists and u2.  Then flicked up with 1 finger to get
to delete and double tapped.  U2 GONE!  End of story period.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my 
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message - 
From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Apple Releases U2 Removal Tool, Today


Hmmm because people complained about Apple invading their privacy
something stupid like that. I know I know. Totally unnecessary in my
view. Don't want it? Don't download it and wait for it to be removed
automatically!

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 16/09/2014 14:36, Charles Rivard wrote:
 Why would Apple release a removal tool if the offer's going to be
 removed on or around the ninth of October, anyway?

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 - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 2:51 AM
 Subject: RE: Apple Releases U2 Removal Tool, Today


 And I bet now that people can remove it some will complain after October 
 13
 that maybe the decided they want it after all and now have to pay for it.
 What a bunch of baloney.


 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of M. Taylor
 Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 12:39 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Apple Releases U2 Removal Tool, Today

 Hello Listers,

 The link to actually remove the album is located at the bottom of this
 post.

 Mark

 Apple has released a tool to remove U2's new album from its customers'
 iTunes accounts six days after giving away the music for free.

 Some users had complained about the fact that Songs of Innocence had
 automatically been downloaded to their devices without their permission.

 It had not been immediately obvious to many of the account holders how to
 delete the tracks.

 The US tech firm is now providing a one-click removal button.

 Some customers asked for the ability to delete 'Songs of Innocence' from
 their library, so we set up itunes.com/soi-remove to let them easily do 
 so.
 Any customer that needs additional help should contact AppleCare,
 spokesman
 Adam Howorth told the BBC.

 Users who want to remove the new U2 album can now click a button to do so
 Users who remove the album and do not download it again before 13 October
 will be charged for the 11 tracks if they subsequently try to add them
 again.

 It's embarrassing for Apple that it's had a bit of a backlash, commented
 Ian Maude from the media consultancy Enders Analysis.

 It was giving something away to its customers - so that part was really
 good - but what it should have probably done was make it optional. Not
 everybody's a U2 fan as it's just discovered.

 Is there any long-term impact? No. It's moved very quickly to fix the
 problem.

 'Blood, sweat and tears'

 Apple made the album available to about 500 million iTunes customers in 
 119
 countries to coincide with its iPhone 6 and Watch launch event last week.

 Some users had requested an easy way to delete the music from their media
 libraries U2's singer Bono acknowledged at the time that not everyone 
 would
 appreciate the gift.

 People who haven't heard our music, or weren't remotely interested, might
 play us for the first time because we're in their library, he wrote on 
 the
 band's site.

 And for the people out there who have no interest in checking us out, 
 look
 at it this way... the blood, sweat and tears of some Irish guys are in 
 your
 junk mail.

 Bono added that Apple had paid for the giveaway, and reports have
 suggested that prime placement of banner ads publicising the album on the
 iTunes store and other publicity provided by the tech firm might be
 worth as
 much as $100m (£62m).

 

Re: Unable to activate buttons with IOS 8

2014-09-21 Thread Alex Hall
Additionally, the one other button you tested, in iTunes, is known to be broken 
for VO users. The send button in a new message if you share something through 
messages from an app is also broken. Those are the only buttons I know of that 
have problems, everything else works fine. As Kelly said, though, depending on 
what you're doing, the button may not be visually on the screen.
On Sep 21, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Kellie pebbles...@gmail.com wrote:

 If it's the bug I'm thinking of, in order to activate the buttons you will 
 need to make sure that the button is visually on the screen. So try doing a 
 three finger swipe to switch pages and then see if the button will activate. 
 It is a really annoying performance bug.
 
 Kellie and guide Loki 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 21, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Olivia Norman olivianor...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 Well, I went to activate my new iPhone 6 on an app I'm testing for work.  
 The site presents the user with a dashboard and buttons which previously 
 worked on IOS 7. So I went to add my device only to discover that double 
 tapping on the buttons did nothing at all.
 I assumed this was just a bug with this particular site and app so decided 
 to purchase a song in the iTunes store.  Double tapped on the button to 
 purchase, but couldn't activate that either.
 Is the ability to activate buttons broken in IOS 8? If so, this is a major 
 performance issue which needs to be addressed.
 Interesting that I'm now getting great results with KNFB reader on the new 
 phone, but this buttons thing is crazy!
 Any good work-arounds?
 Olivia
  
 
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Re: Deleting a book in the current version of the audible app

2014-09-21 Thread Gmail
Are you guys both running the latest version? I hear there are bugs in the 
latest version, so I didn't get it.


Thanks,
Ari

 On Sep 20, 2014, at 3:51 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hmm, nothing like this is happening with me. The delete buttons work fine and 
 so does the actions menu in the rotor with no difficulty. I wonder what the 
 difference is that we are getting such different results.
 
 -- 
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 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 5:43 PM, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi again,
 
 I find the delete action very inconsistent in audible. There's a delete that 
 enables removing books but it's not easy to get it to be selected. The 
 action menu does not work but double-type and swipe left followed by 
 double-tapp on the delete for that book also worked. 
 As I said, pretty confusing. 
 Hth,
 
 
 Ioana 
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I am curious. Can't you just flick up on the title you want to delete and 
 use the action item in the rotor and get delete and do it that way? That is 
 much faster in my opinion. But I have not tried doing that since upgrading.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I am using 2.1.1 and am having no problem. . make sure you have 
 double-tappped device so that it is selected. Flick right and you will 
 hear delebe button deactivated. Double-tap it with one finger. This 
 activates the delete button but doesn't delete anything. When you flick 
 right again you will come to something that says delete with a bookname. 
 When you double tap this it says remove and you double tap that.You get 
 an alert are you sure. Go right to the remove button and double tap it.I 
 think this is the way it has worked for a while now unless we are using 
 different versions. Once you have deleted everything on your device, if 
 you want to do that, the main delete button goes back to deactivated. 
 Otherwise, if you deleted some books but still have some on your device, 
 you will have to double-tap that delete button again to deactivate it. 
 Since you are talking about interacting with the delete buttons, are you 
 using a braille display and/or bluetooth keyboard? If so, it could be a 
 butg so that those are not focussing on the right button. For me, delete 
 is working the same as it has for a while. If it's a problem with a 
 keyboard or display, it might be a bug there instead of with Audible 
 specifically.
 
 
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 4:45 PM, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Indeed, I am experiencing the same bug. Something to report to Audible I 
 guess.
 If anybody else finds a workaround for deleting books that we don't 
 longer one or an old device I am happy to hear about them. Thanks in 
 advance.
 
 All the best,
 
 Ioana
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 5:01 PM, Robin Frost robinn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 forgive me in advance if I’m just stuck on slow today kids but I’m just 
 curious about the following.  when in my library view where I can see 
 the titles resident on my phone in the current version of the audible 
 app fir iOS which I believe is version 2.2.1 whether I interact with the 
 first delete button which used to activate the ability to delete or the 
 delete buttons which appear near each title rather than deleting the 
 book it instead begins playing of said book.  someone suggested trying 
 edit instead but that isn’t working here.  Am I missing something 
 ridiculously obvious here or is this now broken?
 thanks for any clarification anyone can offer here.
 Robin
  
 
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Re: Unable to activate buttons with IOS 8

2014-09-21 Thread Ryan Mann
Since this button is broken, how do you buy songs in IOS 8?


Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 21, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Additionally, the one other button you tested, in iTunes, is known to be 
 broken for VO users. The send button in a new message if you share 
 something through messages from an app is also broken. Those are the only 
 buttons I know of that have problems, everything else works fine. As Kelly 
 said, though, depending on what you're doing, the button may not be visually 
 on the screen.
 On Sep 21, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Kellie pebbles...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 If it's the bug I'm thinking of, in order to activate the buttons you will 
 need to make sure that the button is visually on the screen. So try doing a 
 three finger swipe to switch pages and then see if the button will activate. 
 It is a really annoying performance bug.
 
 Kellie and guide Loki 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 21, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Olivia Norman olivianor...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 Well, I went to activate my new iPhone 6 on an app I’m testing for work.  
 The site presents the user with a dashboard and buttons which previously 
 worked on IOS 7. So I went to add my device only to discover that double 
 tapping on the buttons did nothing at all.
 I assumed this was just a bug with this particular site and app so decided 
 to purchase a song in the iTunes store.  Double tapped on the button to 
 purchase, but couldn’t activate that either.
 Is the ability to activate buttons broken in IOS 8? If so, this is a major 
 performance issue which needs to be addressed.
 Interesting that I’m now getting great results with KNFB reader on the new 
 phone, but this buttons thing is crazy!
 Any good work-arounds?
 Olivia
  
 
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Re: Unable to activate buttons with IOS 8

2014-09-21 Thread Alex Hall
Some users report that a double ap and hold, followed immediately by a double 
tap, will work. If not, you may need to buy songs through iTunes on a computer 
for the moment.
On Sep 21, 2014, at 11:02 AM, Ryan Mann rmann0...@gmail.com wrote:

 Since this button is broken, how do you buy songs in IOS 8?
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 21, 2014, at 10:56 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Additionally, the one other button you tested, in iTunes, is known to be 
 broken for VO users. The send button in a new message if you share 
 something through messages from an app is also broken. Those are the only 
 buttons I know of that have problems, everything else works fine. As Kelly 
 said, though, depending on what you're doing, the button may not be visually 
 on the screen.
 On Sep 21, 2014, at 10:31 AM, Kellie pebbles...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 If it's the bug I'm thinking of, in order to activate the buttons you will 
 need to make sure that the button is visually on the screen. So try doing a 
 three finger swipe to switch pages and then see if the button will 
 activate. It is a really annoying performance bug.
 
 Kellie and guide Loki 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 21, 2014, at 9:30 AM, Olivia Norman olivianor...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi everyone,
 Well, I went to activate my new iPhone 6 on an app I'm testing for work.  
 The site presents the user with a dashboard and buttons which previously 
 worked on IOS 7. So I went to add my device only to discover that double 
 tapping on the buttons did nothing at all.
 I assumed this was just a bug with this particular site and app so decided 
 to purchase a song in the iTunes store.  Double tapped on the button to 
 purchase, but couldn't activate that either.
 Is the ability to activate buttons broken in IOS 8? If so, this is a major 
 performance issue which needs to be addressed.
 Interesting that I'm now getting great results with KNFB reader on the new 
 phone, but this buttons thing is crazy!
 Any good work-arounds?
 Olivia
  
 
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Re: How to solve an issue in iOS 8.0 which makes Bluetooth keyboards not working

2014-09-21 Thread Jennie Facer
Can someone please explain the way this is supposed to work? I do not 
understand the letter and number key combinations.
Thanks,
Jen

TO THE WORLD YOU ARE SOMEONE, BUT TO SOMENE YOU 
ARE THE WORLD!

 On Sep 21, 2014, at 5:49 AM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I am forwarding this because it possibly might help people with bluetooth 
 keyboard issues with other keyboards.
 
 -- 
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 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
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 Dear our valued RiVO customers,
 
 We have found a small but serious issue in iOS 8.0 which could make any 
 Bluetooth keyboards including RiVO not working. If you suffer from the 
 issue, please read on. You may read the text in this email or follow the 
 link to read it from web browser.
 
 RiVO Troubleshooting tip: An issue in iOS 8.0 which makes Bluetooth 
 keyboards not working
 
 There is a small bug in iOS 8.0, which makes all the Bluetooth keyboards 
 including RiVO not working for VoiceOver except a few functions. We have 
 found a way to cope with it although not a neat one. Once the problem 
 disappears, however, it doesn't appear again unless you change the iPhone 
 Language in Settings, General, Language  Region. To make the problem 
 disappear from your iPhone, follow the steps below:
 
 a. If you use just one software keyboard in iPhone, temporarily add another 
 in Settings, General, Keyboard, Keyboards, Add New Keyboard. You may add 
 arbitrary one.
 
 b. Open the Notes app.
 
 c. Create a new note.
 
 d. Hold down L1 and press B7 to turn off the quick navigation option.
 
 e. Press L3 to turn RiVO into typing mode.
 
 f. Hold down L1 and press L3 a few times to cycle through the list of 
 software keyboards.
 
 g. Hold down L1 and press B7 to turn on the quick navigation option.
 
 h. Now RiVO should work fine. If you want, you may delete the software 
 keyboard temporarily added at Settings, General, Keyboard, Keyboards.
 
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Weird issue with Dropbox on iOS eight

2014-09-21 Thread Kellie
I noticed something weird on Dropbox since I have upgraded to I OS 8. If I am 
listening to an audio file there is no longer a control which allows me to 
adjust where in the audio file I am at. My husband, who has not upgraded to iOS 
8, still has the ability to move through an audio file either forward or 
backward.both of us are running the latest version of dropbox. This is weird.

Kellie and guide Loki 
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Re: Deleting a book in the current version of the audible app

2014-09-21 Thread Mary Otten
I am running the latest version on my iPhone. I am still running iOS 7. And I 
am sorry to report that the actions rotor is gone. Disgusting. I have not tried 
my iPad mini yet.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 21, 2014, at 8:01 AM, Gmail englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Are you guys both running the latest version? I hear there are bugs in the 
 latest version, so I didn't get it.
 
 
 Thanks,
 Ari
 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 3:51 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hmm, nothing like this is happening with me. The delete buttons work fine 
 and so does the actions menu in the rotor with no difficulty. I wonder what 
 the difference is that we are getting such different results.
 
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 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
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 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 5:43 PM, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi again,
 
 I find the delete action very inconsistent in audible. There's a delete 
 that enables removing books but it's not easy to get it to be selected. The 
 action menu does not work but double-type and swipe left followed by 
 double-tapp on the delete for that book also worked. 
 As I said, pretty confusing. 
 Hth,
 
 
 Ioana 
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 6:21 PM, Mary Otten motte...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 I am curious. Can't you just flick up on the title you want to delete and 
 use the action item in the rotor and get delete and do it that way? That 
 is much faster in my opinion. But I have not tried doing that since 
 upgrading.
 Mary
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 3:12 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 I am using 2.1.1 and am having no problem. . make sure you have 
 double-tappped device so that it is selected. Flick right and you will 
 hear delebe button deactivated. Double-tap it with one finger. This 
 activates the delete button but doesn't delete anything. When you flick 
 right again you will come to something that says delete with a 
 bookname. When you double tap this it says remove and you double tap 
 that.You get an alert are you sure. Go right to the remove button and 
 double tap it.I think this is the way it has worked for a while now 
 unless we are using different versions. Once you have deleted everything 
 on your device, if you want to do that, the main delete button goes back 
 to deactivated. Otherwise, if you deleted some books but still have some 
 on your device, you will have to double-tap that delete button again to 
 deactivate it. Since you are talking about interacting with the delete 
 buttons, are you using a braille display and/or bluetooth keyboard? If 
 so, it could be a butg so that those are not focussing on the right 
 button. For me, delete is working the same as it has for a while. If it's 
 a problem with a keyboard or display, it might be a bug there instead of 
 with Audible specifically.
 
 
 
 -- 
 Cheryl
 
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 4:45 PM, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Indeed, I am experiencing the same bug. Something to report to Audible I 
 guess.
 If anybody else finds a workaround for deleting books that we don't 
 longer one or an old device I am happy to hear about them. Thanks in 
 advance.
 
 All the best,
 
 Ioana
 
 
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 5:01 PM, Robin Frost robinn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 forgive me in advance if I’m just stuck on slow today kids but I’m just 
 curious about the following.  when in my library view where I can see 
 the titles resident on my phone in the current version of the audible 
 app fir iOS which I believe is version 2.2.1 whether I interact with 
 the first delete button which used to activate the ability to delete or 
 the delete buttons which appear near each title rather than deleting 
 the book it instead begins playing of said book.  someone suggested 
 trying edit instead but that isn’t working here.  Am I missing 
 something ridiculously obvious here or is this now broken?
 thanks for any clarification anyone can offer here.
 Robin
  
 
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Re: Maps in Ios 8

2014-09-21 Thread John Diakogeorgiou
I haven't tested it while walking, but while driving it did a decent
job. It speaks directions with the same voice as Siri.

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 If you double tap the tracking button until it says on with headings, you
 can hear upcoming street intersections and POIs. This isn't perfect yet, but
 it can be useful. I haven't tried this next part, but you could combine this
 with the spoken directions available in iOS7 to get an even better
 experience. Simply tell Siri directions to [some location] and leave the
 Maps app open, with tracking set as described. Spoken directions plus
 notifications of all streets and some POIs... Not bad for a free, built-in
 app. I have a more thorough overview of this new feature of Maps on
 AppleVis, if anyone's interested:
 http://www.applevis.com/blog/apple-ios-news/initial-impressions-spoken-announcements-ios-8-maps
 On Sep 21, 2014, at 5:54 AM, christopher hallsworth
 challswor...@icloud.com wrote:

 Not tested this but VoiceOver will now speak any POI (points of interest)
 as you walk around providing you turn tracking on with headings.

 Sent from my Macbook Pro

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 Hi folks.
 So, how do you think the Maps app in Ios8 work compared to earlier
 versions? I never got the hang of using it as a navigation tool with
 turn-by-turn instructions it sounded complicated and confusing to me in
 earlier versions, how does this work now? Does Apple Maps even have voice
 instructions?
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Re: JAWS ITunes

2014-09-21 Thread Charles Rivard

Use the JAWS cursor and left and right arrows to view the text.

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Hi,

I have been unable to reset my Ipad mini. Is there a command that will allow
me to read character-by-character in JAWS? I am using JAWS 14. I need to get
the serial number to call Apple for assistance.

Thank you,

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Re: Trimming Voice Memos?

2014-09-21 Thread Penny Reeder
Hi Alex, I have this app but have never used it. It appears that none
of the buttons are labeled. Can you give me some clues about using it?
Thanks.
Penny

On 9/21/14, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:
 Hello,
 When I attempted to trim a file, I didn't get any VO feedback when pressing
 and holding to move the sliders other than it saying 0. That's been my
 experience.

 On Sep 21, 2014, at 6:34 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

 Hi all,
 I've just started playing with the Voice Memos app - I didn't realize how
 good the microphone on my 5 was. My only question is whether the trim
 feature is accessible. At first look it appears to not be, but I may well
 be missing something. Thanks for any thoughts.
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Done button in Pages doesn't respond

2014-09-21 Thread Andrew Lamanche
Listers,

I've just edited a document in Pages on my iPad mini having upgraded to iOS 8 
and the done' button that's at the top of the screen doesn't seem to respond 
as it does in iOS7 on my iPhone 5C. Has anyone noticed that?  Voiceover says 
something like ruler done button and when I double-tap it , nothing happens.
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Re: Trimming Voice Memos?

2014-09-21 Thread Joseph
Hello Penny and list,
The buttons sound like they are clearly labeled to me. The problem is that when 
editing a file, removing the unwanted space at the start and end of the 
recording is no longer working for VO users. I don't know about sighted users.
In iOS 7 I just held either the beginning or ending slider and reset the 
seconds for the record and double tap done and all was well. But now, under iOS 
8, the sliders just say 0 and do not give any info to the VO user as to where 
the slider has been moved to.

On Sep 21, 2014, at 8:54 AM, Penny Reeder penny.ree...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Alex, I have this app but have never used it. It appears that none
 of the buttons are labeled. Can you give me some clues about using it?
 Thanks.
 Penny
 
 On 9/21/14, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:
 Hello,
 When I attempted to trim a file, I didn't get any VO feedback when pressing
 and holding to move the sliders other than it saying 0. That's been my
 experience.
 
 On Sep 21, 2014, at 6:34 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I've just started playing with the Voice Memos app - I didn't realize how
 good the microphone on my 5 was. My only question is whether the trim
 feature is accessible. At first look it appears to not be, but I may well
 be missing something. Thanks for any thoughts.
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 Have a great day,
 Alex Hall
 mehg...@icloud.com
 
 
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Re: Trimming Voice Memos?

2014-09-21 Thread Alex Hall
I don't think you are using the same app, as this is fully accessible. I'm 
talking about the stock Voice Memos app, that comes with iOS devices by 
default. I've never found any unlabeled buttons or other accessibility problems 
in it, with the possible exception of this trimming thing.
On Sep 21, 2014, at 11:54 AM, Penny Reeder penny.ree...@gmail.com wrote:

 Hi Alex, I have this app but have never used it. It appears that none
 of the buttons are labeled. Can you give me some clues about using it?
 Thanks.
 Penny
 
 On 9/21/14, Joseph ablindvou...@icloud.com wrote:
 Hello,
 When I attempted to trim a file, I didn't get any VO feedback when pressing
 and holding to move the sliders other than it saying 0. That's been my
 experience.
 
 On Sep 21, 2014, at 6:34 AM, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Hi all,
 I've just started playing with the Voice Memos app - I didn't realize how
 good the microphone on my 5 was. My only question is whether the trim
 feature is accessible. At first look it appears to not be, but I may well
 be missing something. Thanks for any thoughts.
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RE: Deleting a book in the current version of the audible app

2014-09-21 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Cheryl,

 

I did delete and reinstall the app, but the result is the same. It looks
like you are the only person who still has the action rotor since everybody
else reported that it is no longer there.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cheryl Homiak
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 4:30 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Deleting a book in the current version of the audible app

 

So the question remains: why is it happening on some devices but not all. I
never opened Audible during the debut of the other bug a few days ago. Could
that have anything to do with it?

 

-- 

Cheryl

 

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness.

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

 

 

 

 

On Sep 21, 2014, at 5:01 AM, Shameless FanGirl shamelessfang...@gmail.com
mailto:shamelessfang...@gmail.com  wrote:





Good morning all,

 

I too am seeing this behavior across approximately 6 Ios devices. Actions in
the rotor is entirely absent from the audible app.

 

Don't reinstall. I did this, during the app crashing rather than opening
event of a few days ago, and the issue still exists, so it appears I traded
one nasty little bug for another. lol

 

Just more confirmation that it's happening here as well.

 

iPhone 5 s, iPad air iPad4, iPad2, and a 5th Gen iPod touch.

Sent from my iPad


On Sep 21, 2014, at 1:49 AM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com
mailto:cah4...@icloud.com  wrote:

Your guys experience is so different from mine that i am starting to wonder
if we have the same version. Could somebody please check and confirm what
version you have? As far as I know I have the latest as stated in another
email, but maybe I am mistaken! But no, I  just went and checked in iTunes
and the current version is 2.2.1, which is what I have. I wonder if it has
anything to do with whether or not you opened the version just before this
that some people had problems using. I know i'mjust fishing for an
explanation! I guess the fix is more important than the explanation but I'm
just thinking the explanation might lead to the fix.

 

 

 

-- 

Cheryl

 

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness.

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

 

 

 

 

On Sep 21, 2014, at 12:31 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca
mailto:siegh...@live.ca  wrote:





I also found that with the latest version the action rotor and the ability
to flick up or down to delete a book is gone.

I called Audible this morning and reported this, but I think more people
need to do this and hopefully also send emails. When I called the customer
service number I this time was talking to a lady in Jamaica in a call centre
and while she said she would file this I am not so sure how effective that
is.

 

Now, here is what I found works:

 

1.   Double tap the top delete button which is to the left of the
refresh button.

2.   Unfortunately it does not even say that it is activated or selected
any more. But if you now check the list of titles by moving your finger to
the left of the title (don't flick, drag it straight to the left of the
title) you will find an Edit Mode button.

3.   Double tap or split tap this button.

4.   Now check to the right of the title on the right edge there is a
delete button beside each title. If you double tap or split tap on it after
first tapping the edit button you will be prompted to delete the book.

 

Cheryl, could you maybe check once more really carefully which version you
have by going to Settings and then look towards the bottom. The most current
version is 2.2.1 (351).

I currently have quite a few books downloaded, but if you really have this
built and the action rotor still works I think I will have to bite the
bullet and delete the app completely, reinstall it and then redownload my
books to see if this brings back the action rotor option which really was
great as far as deleteing books is concerned.

Also, just to be on the same page, do you have it set to download the book
as one large single download or do you still download in parts?

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com [
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Robin Frost
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 6:24 PM
To:  

Re: Deleting a book in the current version of the audible app

2014-09-21 Thread Mary Otten
Hi Cheryl,
Like you, I never had the app that had the bug in it. I did not update until 
this new one. But I still have the problem, including after a reboot of my 
phone. Oh well.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 21, 2014, at 9:13 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Cheryl,
  
 I did delete and reinstall the app, but the result is the same. It looks like 
 you are the only person who still has the action rotor since everybody else 
 reported that it is no longer there.
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Cheryl Homiak
 Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 4:30 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Deleting a book in the current version of the audible app
  
 So the question remains: why is it happening on some devices but not all. I 
 never opened Audible during the debut of the other bug a few days ago. Could 
 that have anything to do with it?
  
 -- 
 Cheryl
  
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
  
  
  
  
 On Sep 21, 2014, at 5:01 AM, Shameless FanGirl shamelessfang...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 
 Good morning all,
  
 I too am seeing this behavior across approximately 6 Ios devices. Actions in 
 the rotor is entirely absent from the audible app.
  
 Don't reinstall. I did this, during the app crashing rather than opening 
 event of a few days ago, and the issue still exists, so it appears I traded 
 one nasty little bug for another. lol
  
 Just more confirmation that it's happening here as well.
  
 iPhone 5 s, iPad air iPad4, iPad2, and a 5th Gen iPod touch.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Sep 21, 2014, at 1:49 AM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Your guys experience is so different from mine that i am starting to wonder 
 if we have the same version. Could somebody please check and confirm what 
 version you have? As far as I know I have the latest as stated in another 
 email, but maybe I am mistaken! But no, I  just went and checked in iTunes 
 and the current version is 2.2.1, which is what I have. I wonder if it has 
 anything to do with whether or not you opened the version just before this 
 that some people had problems using. I know i'mjust fishing for an 
 explanation! I guess the fix is more important than the explanation but I'm 
 just thinking the explanation might lead to the fix.
  
  
  
 -- 
 Cheryl
  
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
  
  
  
  
 On Sep 21, 2014, at 12:31 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 
 I also found that with the latest version the action rotor and the ability to 
 flick up or down to delete a book is gone.
 I called Audible this morning and reported this, but I think more people need 
 to do this and hopefully also send emails. When I called the customer service 
 number I this time was talking to a lady in Jamaica in a call centre and 
 while she said she would file this I am not so sure how effective that is.
  
 Now, here is what I found works:
  
 1.   Double tap the top delete button which is to the left of the refresh 
 button.
 2.   Unfortunately it does not even say that it is activated or selected 
 any more. But if you now check the list of titles by moving your finger to 
 the left of the title (don’t flick, drag it straight to the left of the 
 title) you will find an Edit Mode button.
 3.   Double tap or split tap this button.
 4.   Now check to the right of the title on the right edge there is a 
 delete button beside each title. If you double tap or split tap on it after 
 first tapping the edit button you will be prompted to delete the book.
  
 Cheryl, could you maybe check once more really carefully which version you 
 have by going to Settings and then look towards the bottom. The most current 
 version is 2.2.1 (351).
 I currently have quite a few books downloaded, but if you really have this 
 built and the action rotor still works I think I will have to bite the bullet 
 and delete the app completely, reinstall it and then redownload my books to 
 see if this brings back the action rotor option which really was great as far 
 as deleteing books is concerned.
 Also, just to be on the same page, do you have it set to download the book as 
 one large single download or do you 

Re: Deleting a book in the current version of the audible app

2014-09-21 Thread Robin Frost
Hi,
I never even upgraded to the bad version of Audible before this one so I think 
that facet can be taken out of the mix I went straight from a working version 
to this current one where Sieghard’s results mirror my own for the time being.
I’ll be emailing and tweeting at Audible today politely to make them aware of 
the problem.
Robin


From: Cheryl Homiak 
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 7:29 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Deleting a book in the current version of the audible app

So the question remains: why is it happening on some devices but not all. I 
never opened Audible during the debut of the other bug a few days ago. Could 
that have anything to do with it? 

-- 
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Sep 21, 2014, at 5:01 AM, Shameless FanGirl shamelessfang...@gmail.com 
wrote:


  Good morning all,

  I too am seeing this behavior across approximately 6 Ios devices. Actions in 
the rotor is entirely absent from the audible app.

  Don't reinstall. I did this, during the app crashing rather than opening 
event of a few days ago, and the issue still exists, so it appears I traded one 
nasty little bug for another. lol

  Just more confirmation that it's happening here as well.

  iPhone 5 s, iPad air iPad4, iPad2, and a 5th Gen iPod touch.

  Sent from my iPad

  On Sep 21, 2014, at 1:49 AM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:


Your guys experience is so different from mine that i am starting to wonder 
if we have the same version. Could somebody please check and confirm what 
version you have? As far as I know I have the latest as stated in another 
email, but maybe I am mistaken! But no, I  just went and checked in iTunes and 
the current version is 2.2.1, which is what I have. I wonder if it has anything 
to do with whether or not you opened the version just before this that some 
people had problems using. I know i'mjust fishing for an explanation! I guess 
the fix is more important than the explanation but I'm just thinking the 
explanation might lead to the fix. 



-- 
Cheryl

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




On Sep 21, 2014, at 12:31 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:


  I also found that with the latest version the action rotor and the 
ability to flick up or down to delete a book is gone.
  I called Audible this morning and reported this, but I think more people 
need to do this and hopefully also send emails. When I called the customer 
service number I this time was talking to a lady in Jamaica in a call centre 
and while she said she would file this I am not so sure how effective that is.

  Now, here is what I found works:

  1.   Double tap the top delete button which is to the left of the 
refresh button.
  2.   Unfortunately it does not even say that it is activated or 
selected any more. But if you now check the list of titles by moving your 
finger to the left of the title (don’t flick, drag it straight to the left of 
the title) you will find an Edit Mode button.
  3.   Double tap or split tap this button.
  4.   Now check to the right of the title on the right edge there is a 
delete button beside each title. If you double tap or split tap on it after 
first tapping the edit button you will be prompted to delete the book.

  Cheryl, could you maybe check once more really carefully which version 
you have by going to Settings and then look towards the bottom. The most 
current version is 2.2.1 (351).
  I currently have quite a few books downloaded, but if you really have 
this built and the action rotor still works I think I will have to bite the 
bullet and delete the app completely, reinstall it and then redownload my books 
to see if this brings back the action rotor option which really was great as 
far as deleteing books is concerned.
  Also, just to be on the same page, do you have it set to download the 
book as one large single download or do you still download in parts?


  Regards,
  Sieghard

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Robin Frost
  Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 6:24 PM
  To: 

Re: Deleting a book in the current version of the audible app

2014-09-21 Thread Mary Otten
I just tried it on my iPad mini. That device is running the latest version of 
iOS 7. And my results are the same as everyone else except Cheryl is getting. 
No rotor. I too shall be emailing audible.
Mary


Sent from my iPad

 On Sep 21, 2014, at 9:20 AM, Robin Frost robinn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 I never even upgraded to the bad version of Audible before this one so I 
 think that facet can be taken out of the mix I went straight from a working 
 version to this current one where Sieghard’s results mirror my own for the 
 time being.
 I’ll be emailing and tweeting at Audible today politely to make them aware of 
 the problem.
 Robin
  
  
 From: Cheryl Homiak
 Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 7:29 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Deleting a book in the current version of the audible app
  
 So the question remains: why is it happening on some devices but not all. I 
 never opened Audible during the debut of the other bug a few days ago. Could 
 that have anything to do with it?
  
 --
 Cheryl
  
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
  
  
  
  
 On Sep 21, 2014, at 5:01 AM, Shameless FanGirl shamelessfang...@gmail.com 
 wrote:
 
 Good morning all,
  
 I too am seeing this behavior across approximately 6 Ios devices. Actions in 
 the rotor is entirely absent from the audible app.
  
 Don't reinstall. I did this, during the app crashing rather than opening 
 event of a few days ago, and the issue still exists, so it appears I traded 
 one nasty little bug for another. lol
  
 Just more confirmation that it's happening here as well.
  
 iPhone 5 s, iPad air iPad4, iPad2, and a 5th Gen iPod touch.
 
 Sent from my iPad
 
 On Sep 21, 2014, at 1:49 AM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 Your guys experience is so different from mine that i am starting to wonder 
 if we have the same version. Could somebody please check and confirm what 
 version you have? As far as I know I have the latest as stated in another 
 email, but maybe I am mistaken! But no, I  just went and checked in iTunes 
 and the current version is 2.2.1, which is what I have. I wonder if it has 
 anything to do with whether or not you opened the version just before this 
 that some people had problems using. I know i'mjust fishing for an 
 explanation! I guess the fix is more important than the explanation but I'm 
 just thinking the explanation might lead to the fix.
  
  
  
 --
 Cheryl
  
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
  
  
  
  
 On Sep 21, 2014, at 12:31 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 I also found that with the latest version the action rotor and the ability 
 to flick up or down to delete a book is gone.
 I called Audible this morning and reported this, but I think more people 
 need to do this and hopefully also send emails. When I called the customer 
 service number I this time was talking to a lady in Jamaica in a call 
 centre and while she said she would file this I am not so sure how 
 effective that is.
  
 Now, here is what I found works:
  
 1.   Double tap the top delete button which is to the left of the 
 refresh button.
 2.   Unfortunately it does not even say that it is activated or 
 selected any more. But if you now check the list of titles by moving your 
 finger to the left of the title (don’t flick, drag it straight to the left 
 of the title) you will find an Edit Mode button.
 3.   Double tap or split tap this button.
 4.   Now check to the right of the title on the right edge there is a 
 delete button beside each title. If you double tap or split tap on it 
 after first tapping the edit button you will be prompted to delete the 
 book.
  
 Cheryl, could you maybe check once more really carefully which version you 
 have by going to Settings and then look towards the bottom. The most 
 current version is 2.2.1 (351).
 I currently have quite a few books downloaded, but if you really have this 
 built and the action rotor still works I think I will have to bite the 
 bullet and delete the app completely, reinstall it and then redownload my 
 books to see if this brings back the action rotor option which really was 
 great as far as deleteing books is concerned.
 Also, just to be on the same page, 

Re: Direct touch typing

2014-09-21 Thread christopher hallsworth
It works a lot like typing on a physical qwerty keyboard. Instead of finding 
the letter and either lifting your finger or double tap to insert, you simply 
tap and release immediately to input the letter, the same as you would on a 
physical qwerty keyboard.

Sent from my Macbook Pro

On 21 Sep 2014, at 13:44, Alvin alvin@gmail.com wrote:

 
 
 Sorry if this topic has already been covered. How do I use direct touch 
 typing? 
 Thank you. 
 
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RE: Deleting a book in the current version of the audible app

2014-09-21 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
I posted the instructions yesterday.

 

1.   Tap the delete button at the top, to the left of refresh

2.   Find the Edit Mode button by moving your finger to the left from a
book title and double tap or split tap it once you found it.

3.   Now find the Delete button (not the one at the top) but the one to
the right of each book title. Double tap it and you will get the prompt
asking you whether you want to delete the book.

 

For me swiping to the Edit Mode button and double tapping it and then
swiping to the Delete button does not work. I have to physically move to the
buttons on the screen. If you swipe you will find that they are not in
order, e.g. I think the book title is read first, then if you swipe right
the Edit Mode button is announced, but it's actually physically to the left
of the book title near the edge of the screen and then if you swipe right
again the delete button is read which is located towards the right edge of
the screen. They are, however, fairly easy to find if you move straight left
from the book title and straight right.

 

I really think this is an unfortunate step back in the accessibility of the
Audible app and I hope Audible will listen to our feedback and put the
action rotor back.

 

Another thing I don't like is how the Jump Back button does not stay a
Chapter Back button when you double tap the CoverArt for the book and use it
once. I don't know if everybody knows that, but normally the button to the
left of Play is Jump Back and to the right of Play in this version is a Jump
Forward button. If I want to jump back to the beginning of a chapter I can
double tap on the CoverArt area which takes up a good portion of the screen
about in the middle of the phone. Then the Jump Back button turns into a
Chapter Backward button and the Jump Forward button becomes a Chapter
Forward button. This is a nice feature, but as soon as I double tap once on
Chapter Backward or Forward, the buttons go back to Jump Back and Jump
Forward. In other words if I want to jump back 2 or 3 chapters, I have to
double tap on the CoverArt, then double tap the chapter backward button,
double tap once or so on Jump Backward to get back into the previous
chapter, then I have to double tap again on the CoverArt to change the
buttons and again double tap on Chapter Backward. I think it would be better
if the button stayed on Chapter Backward either until you change it or at
least it should stay for longer so it's possible to jump back multiple
chapters quickly without having to bring up the Chatpers list.

 

Lastly, and this was also not in the previous version, I always wish I could
use the scrub gesture to go back out of a book back to the main screen with
my book list, but it is necessary to double tap on the Back button at the
top left since the scrub gesture is not implemented in the app.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

 

 

 

/Back button and the Jump FGo

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Cathy
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 5:14 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Deleting a book in the current version of the audible app

 

I to, am not sure how to delete books in the audible app since the update.
Can someone tell me the work around to delete them?  Thanks in advance.

Cathy  Pilot Dog, Tiny:

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RE: help with removing U2 album from my iPhone 4s

2014-09-21 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Richard,

 

Keep in mind that if somebody is still running iOS 7 you can only delete songs 
this way. Only in iOS 8 the ability to delete entire artists or albums was 
brought back.

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 5:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: help with removing U2 album from my iPhone 4s

 

A two finger double tap will start and stop the last audio that was playing, it 
has nothing to do with that particular album.

 

If you take music out of the app switcher, it should stop playing music when 
you double tap with two fingers.

 

 

But, if you want to delete any album or song from your iPhone, open music,

get focus on the particular album or song in the list, don't open it, but flick 
up with one finger and you should hear delete? then double tap with one finger 
and poof, no more album etc.

Just like deleting Email, etc.

HTH,

Richard

 

 

Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education. - Victor Hugo

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 21, 2014, at 4:28 AM, David d.becke...@ntlworld.com 
mailto:d.becke...@ntlworld.com  wrote:

Hi list.

I was wondering how to remove the U2 album off my phone. I don't have iTunes on 
my computer. Is there a way to remove the album without iTunes? I'm 
experiencing a bug where, if I double tap with 2 fingers to activate another 
function e.g. Facebook, the U2 album starts playing. Any idea how I can stop 
this? using an iphone 4s.

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Re: Deleting a book in the current version of the audible app

2014-09-21 Thread Mary Otten
There is a much older version of the Audible app, which I still have on my old 
iPad one, which actually has a previous chapter button in it. As long as we're 
wishing, I wish they would simply put that back, keep the jump back button, and 
never mind the silly cover art nonsense.
Mary


Sent from my iPad

 On Sep 21, 2014, at 9:32 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 I posted the instructions yesterday.
  
 1.   Tap the delete button at the top, to the left of refresh
 2.   Find the Edit Mode button by moving your finger to the left from a 
 book title and double tap or split tap it once you found it.
 3.   Now find the Delete button (not the one at the top) but the one to 
 the right of each book title. Double tap it and you will get the prompt 
 asking you whether you want to delete the book.
  
 For me swiping to the Edit Mode button and double tapping it and then swiping 
 to the Delete button does not work. I have to physically move to the buttons 
 on the screen. If you swipe you will find that they are not in order, e.g. I 
 think the book title is read first, then if you swipe right the Edit Mode 
 button is announced, but it's actually physically to the left of the book 
 title near the edge of the screen and then if you swipe right again the 
 delete button is read which is located towards the right edge of the screen. 
 They are, however, fairly easy to find if you move straight left from the 
 book title and straight right.
  
 I really think this is an unfortunate step back in the accessibility of the 
 Audible app and I hope Audible will listen to our feedback and put the action 
 rotor back.
  
 Another thing I don’t like is how the Jump Back button does not stay a 
 Chapter Back button when you double tap the CoverArt for the book and use it 
 once. I don’t know if everybody knows that, but normally the button to the 
 left of Play is Jump Back and to the right of Play in this version is a Jump 
 Forward button. If I want to jump back to the beginning of a chapter I can 
 double tap on the CoverArt area which takes up a good portion of the screen 
 about in the middle of the phone. Then the Jump Back button turns into a 
 Chapter Backward button and the Jump Forward button becomes a Chapter Forward 
 button. This is a nice feature, but as soon as I double tap once on Chapter 
 Backward or Forward, the buttons go back to Jump Back and Jump Forward. In 
 other words if I want to jump back 2 or 3 chapters, I have to double tap on 
 the CoverArt, then double tap the chapter backward button, double tap once or 
 so on Jump Backward to get back into the previous chapter, then I have to 
 double tap again on the CoverArt to change the buttons and again double tap 
 on Chapter Backward. I think it would be better if the button stayed on 
 Chapter Backward either until you change it or at least it should stay for 
 longer so it’s possible to jump back multiple chapters quickly without having 
 to bring up the Chatpers list.
  
 Lastly, and this was also not in the previous version, I always wish I could 
 use the scrub gesture to go back out of a book back to the main screen with 
 my book list, but it is necessary to double tap on the Back button at the top 
 left since the scrub gesture is not implemented in the app.
  
  
 Regards,
 Sieghard
  
  
  
  
 /Back button and the Jump FGo
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Cathy
 Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 5:14 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Deleting a book in the current version of the audible app
  
 I to, am not sure how to delete books in the audible app since the update.  
 Can someone tell me the work around to delete them?  Thanks in advance.
 Cathy  Pilot Dog, Tiny:
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Re: KNFB on an iPad 4

2014-09-21 Thread Terrie Arnold
 i was stated  at the NFB convention  that  this app would not  work on the 
ipads  only  the phone . I would  go to the website  and ask  this  , as this  
was  what  was said  at the  demos  of this app 
 but  it works well on the 5 , 
Terrie 

 On Sep 21, 2014, at 3:45 AM, Joanne Chua shuang.an...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 There is no reason why ipads won't work with KNFB reader. Like
 sieghard mention, if you have the iphone and the ipad, you won't use
 ipad for your camera input. If you have an ipod and an ipad, you still
 won't use an ipad for the camera input. It need more works to take a
 proper picture with an ipad, and to making sure that there are plenty
 of light sources available externally, and you are not blocking the
 light source as well.
 However, if you have a scanstandpro, or a scanbox, there is no reason
 why you can't do it.
 
 On 21/09/2014, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Rob,
 
 I do mention the iPad in my message and said that it will probably work
 just
 fine and that the processor is actually better than that of the iPod Touch.
 However, there are still 3 differences which will probably have an impact
 on
 how well KNFB Reader performs:
 
 1. Even the iPad Mini Retina and the iPad Air (the newest at this time)
 still have only a 5 MP camera just like the iPod Touch.
 2. They do not have a flash which means you need really good external
 lighting
 3. None of these devices have vibration which means the tilt control
 feature
 will not work.
 
 I would also think that especially a full-sized iPad would be a lot harder
 to hold properly and in the right position due to the weight and size.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of RobH.
 Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 1:23 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: KNFB on an iPad 4
 
 But the question was for the iPads,  the iPad4 or the Mini retina are
 pretty
 modern,  so why shouldn't KNFB work on those?
 
 rh.
 - Original Message -
 From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 7:16 PM
 Subject: RE: KNFB on an iPad 4
 
 
 Hi Daniel,
 
 
 
 That is not correct. KNFB officially says it works pon the iPhone 5 and up,
 but several people on the list have reported that it works just as good if
 a
 bit slower on an iPhone 4S. This is of course only logical since especially
 between the 4S and the 5 there is very little difference in the camera.
 Even
 the difference between the 4S camera and the iPhone 6 camera is not that
 much, same 8 MP, 6 has a sensor with larger pixels which is good but
 probably not crutial for OCR and the flash on the 5S and 6 is a true tone
 flash which yields better colour rendering in low light, once again, not
 something I would think makes a great difference when it comes to lighting
 up a page of text.
 
 
 
 The app, in fact, even works on the iPod Touch Fifth Gen although if that
 is
 your only device you definitely may want to think twice about spending that
 much since the iPod has no vibration so the tilt control would not work and
 you wouldn't benefit fully from the features of the app.
 
 
 
 It is my assumption that it would work just as well or even better on Ed's
 iPad Fourth Gen since it has an A6 processor which is a generation better
 than that of the iPod Touch, but it still only has a 5 MP camera just like
 the iPod Touch and no vibration.
 
 
 
 
 
 Regards,
 
 Sieghard
 
 
 
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Daniel Miller
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 10:03 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: KNFB on an iPad 4
 
 
 
 Hello,
 
 Unfortunately, KNFB Reader will not work on an iPad. It's iPhone 5 and
 above
 only.
 
 
 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:49 AM, Pinky pink...@abe.midco.net
 mailto:pink...@abe.midco.net  wrote:
 
 
 
 Will the KNFB work on an iPad?  If someone has install it on an iPad 4 can
 you please let me know how it works.
 
 
 
 Thanks in advance.
 
 
 
 ED
 
 
 
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RE: touch typing with ios8

2014-09-21 Thread Pablo Morales
Hi Teresa.

I don’t understand when you say that direct touch typing is similar than typing 
on a keyboard. I mean, I have IOs7.x, and I know 2 typing mode; standard 
typing, and touch typing. The first is doing a double tab on each letter that 
we want to tuype. The second is sliding our finger until the letter we want to 
type, and releasing the finger on that letter. Automaticly the letter is typed 
with out double tab. When you say that direct touch typing is similar than 
typing on a keyboard, I can’t figure out how is it. Can you give me more 
details?

Thanks in advance.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Teresa Cochran
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8

 

yes, it's a Voiceover function. It allows you to tap the letter you want to use 
once you reach it. It's kind of similar to typing on a keyboard. I think it 
feels quite natural, but I'm experiencing some issues with it. It doesn't work 
for entering my passcode. In fact my iPod 5G defaults to standard typing when  
I enter the passcode, so I've switched back to touch typing.

 

Teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks


On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Tom Rash dadnthed...@gmail.com wrote:

What is direct touch typing?  Is it usable with voice over? 

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Of Scott Berry
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:40 PM
To: Vi Phone
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8

i swear by touch typing.  The simplest way to describe it is find the letter
you want and let up on the letter and it adds it.  I also have a keyboard
that connects to the bottom of my phone but my fingers are too big for it
and I don't like it.


On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:


   The thing I find disappointing about direct touch typing is when
you're in the phone app it pretty much acts like it would when in standard
typing mode. I don't know if this is a bug or if they purposely did this so
that we don't mess up. But if we did mess up, that's what the delete button
is for.

   Shawn
   Sent From My White MacBook


   On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Cheryl Homiak
cah4...@icloud.com wrote:

   You certainly can do it with a split tap. What is described
in iOS8 without the eye and is maybe more difficult but works, is to tap
the letter and then release quickly. I think this would require a good
finger memory of where the different letters are or a screen protector with
dots because if I understand correctly you are just tapping down and then
releasing quickly. It's different from touch typing because with touch
typing you can just slide your finger around and lift up. The direct touch
typing needs a definite tap and then a quick release. I'm probably not
describing this very well and I'm not very good at it yet but I've done it
enough to know sort of how it feels. But a split tap also would accomplish
this I think.


   
   -- 
   Cheryl

   I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
   I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
   thrown in the trash!
   Then God gave me a new heart and life:
   His joy for my despairing tears!
   And now, every day:
   This I call to mind,
   and therefore I have hope:
   The steadfast love of the Lord
   never ceases;
   his mercies never come to an end;
   they are new every morning;
   great is your faithfulness.
   (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




   On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:21 PM, Charles Rivard
wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:


   Touch typing is the same as it was.  Find the letter
and lift your finger to activate.  The new method is to find the letter and
touch elsewhere on the screen, sort of like a split tap, to activate.

   ---
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you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!

   - Original Message -
   From: Ray T. Mahorney
mailto:mahorney@googlemail.com 
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:14 PM
   Subject: RE: touch typing with ios8

   how does direct typing differ from touch
typing?


   Ray T. Mahorney
   WA4WGA

   From:
viphone@googlegroups.com[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Jenny
Wood
   Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:37
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com
   Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8

   Hi Jonathan,

   My husband and I were discussing this topic
at length this evening, and he pointed out something I had 

RE: Exporting with KNFB Reader

2014-09-21 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Thanks, Richard, everything worked as you described. I did, however, not even 
go all the way to save the KNFB format file. I just selected KNFB as the 
format, then selected Dropbox. At this point I cancelled out of Dropbox, went 
back to KNFB and changed it to text file and it worked. Yes, a small bug, but 
not a big deal.

 

By the way, I have not had time to read the manual, do you know what that low 
sound means. It sounds like a very short blast of a fog horn at super low 
volume. When I am in the KNFB Reader app I get it about every 5 seconds or so. 
I am asking because I do believe this is another bug, but something when I go 
back out of KNFB Reader by pressing the home button that sound continues to 
play every few seconds until I finally get tired of it and throw KNFB Reader 
out of the app switcher.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 6:08 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Exporting with KNFB Reader

 

Hi Sieghard,

Sure thing.

Open the file explorer screen.

Then, double tap on the edit button.

Then, do a one finger flick right until you find the document you want to 
export. You will hear a delete option first, then the next flick gets you to 
the document name.

Double tap and several options will appear. Flick right to Export and double 
tap.

This is where things are not quite perfect yet.

The first time, you have to  export as KNFB format. Then once you have done 
that, open the app switcher and go back to KNFB Reader and export in txt or 
html.

The next document you export, you won't have to do the KNFB format.

HTH,

Richard

 

 

Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education. - Victor Hugo

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 20, 2014, at 9:40 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca 
mailto:siegh...@live.ca  wrote:

Hi Richard,

 

Could you give a few pointers as to how to export a file? I just haven’t seen 
an Export option or, for that matter, a file format option. All I get is a Save 
option.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 2:11 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Exporting with KNFB Reader

 

Apparently the work around that Terrell Jones sent me fixes the issue so the 
next time you export a file you can go direct to the text format of your choice 
without having to do the knfb format first.

Richard

 

 

Common sense is in spite of, not as the result of education. - Victor Hugo

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 20, 2014, at 12:35 PM, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com 
mailto:pablomorale...@gmail.com  wrote:

What about KNFB running on the 5s?
It works properly?

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Larry Smith
Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 8:32 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: Exporging with KNFB Reader

Same here. I'm running KNFB on an iPhone 5. I notice this when I first
installed the software, but I dismissed it thinking I had perhaps missed a
step. I tried exporting it to dropbox and I also tried the option to open it
in pages. Neither option worked.
On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:19 AM, Jon C. Pierson joncpier...@gmail.com 
mailto:joncpier...@gmail.com  wrote:





Hi Richard,

I can confirm it here on an iPhone 4S running IOS8. 

 

Jon

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf

Of Richard Turner




Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 2:33 AM

To: supp...@knfbreader.com mailto:supp...@knfbreader.com ; ViPone list

Subject: Exporging with KNFB Reader

 

There is a bug in KNFB reader, at least under iOS 8 on the iPhone 5S.

 

Save a document.

Open the File xplorer screen.

Double-tap on the edit button.

 

Double-tap on the bilename.

Flick right with one hinger to Export To and double-tap.

Double tap on the file type, I tried both plain text and formatted text.

Double tap on where you want to Export, I tried dropbox and pages and

groupmail.




You are put back in the screen to chose the format.

I've tried this with two different documents.

I consider this a significant bug.

Richard

 

 

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Victor Hugo




 



 

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Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-21 Thread Chuck Dean
Here is a link:

https://itunes.apple.com/us/app/knfbreader/id849732663?mt=8E

Chuck (mobile)
Pleez x cuze enny tie ping or spelin air ores.

 On Sep 21, 2014, at 7:14 AM, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Ok guys, but I am searching in the appstore for knfb reader, and appears 
 something like leo or something like that. It is the only result related with 
 knfb reader. Any clue searching this app in the app store?
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Ron Pelletier
 Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:13 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
  
 Sieghard,
  
 I found exactly what you did. The company did not let us down. Its really 
 worth its money.  It sounded a bit expensive at the beginning but, when you 
 see what it does, its worth every penny.  I’m about to delete all the others 
 also.
 I still would like the vibrator to work in the vertical to position for 
 documents mounted on the wall or bulletin boards.
  
 Ron  Danvers
  
  
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Sieghard Weitzel
 Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:57 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
  
 I purchased KNFB Reader this morning and tried it with a few printed 
 documents including a plain letter asking for a donation, an invoice and 
 something else. I used the phone in portrait mode and also had the letter 
 size document in portrait mode. KNFB Reader did an outstanding job on the 
 letter and I had very good results from the invoice and the other document. 
 The app is outstanding and I have already deleted Prizmo and Text Grabber 
 from my phone since I don’t see myself using them any more now that I have 
 KNFB Reader.
  
 The tilt feedback via vibrations is very useful and the field of view report 
 is amazing. The fact that it tells you whether you are holding the phone even 
 the slightest little bit turned with respect to the page qlong with which 
 edges are visible is awesome.
 As Jonathan already pointed out the recognition is lightning fast and what I 
 really like is how simple the app is. They have definitely outdone themselves 
 with that app.
 I have yet to put it through its paces in other situations, but I am already 
 very happy about my $100 investment as I know that it will be of much use in 
 the years to come.
  
  
 Regards,
 Sieghard
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Les Kriegler
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:51 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions
  
 I contacted support at KNFB Reader and was advised to use portrait mode if 
 possible, both for the document layout and with the phone.
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Kayaker sea...@me.com wrote:
  
 
 Hi,
  
 I’m no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that 
 taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves 
 results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the 
 order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless 
 background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape
  
 I don’t buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue. 
 Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels.
  
  
 —k
 Faith doesn’t give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the 
 questions.
  
  
  
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:
  
 
 There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results.
 I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press. 
 it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography.
 Jonathan Mosen
 Mosen Consulting
 Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training
 http://Mosen.org
  
 On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com wrote:
  
 I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the 
 document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they’ve been thinking 
 there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone with 
 the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather as if i had it in 
 landscape mode?
 /Krister
  
 18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org:
  
 Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing, 
 but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone lengthways 
 or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of text on a 
 table, like I would be reading it in Braille or visually. Then hold the phone 
 sideways a few centimetres above the page. Use the vibration feedback so that 
 the phone stops vibrating, indicating you have the angle right, then take the 
 picture. For further feedback before you take the picture, you might use the 
 field of view report, 

RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

2014-09-21 Thread Terrie Terlau
Hi  Pablo,

Here's how I found it:

after typing KNFB in the search field, tap the search button. Don't just
look at the result that shows automatically.

After I double tapped Search, the Blio app showed up first. Keep flicking
right and you will see the KNfB Reader after Blio. I think only Blio shows
up if you don't double tap Search.

HTH.

Terrie

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

 

Ok guys, but I am searching in the appstore for knfb reader, and appears
something like leo or something like that. It is the only result related
with knfb reader. Any clue searching this app in the app store?

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Ron Pelletier
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 11:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

 

Sieghard,

 

I found exactly what you did. The company did not let us down. Its really
worth its money.  It sounded a bit expensive at the beginning but, when you
see what it does, its worth every penny.  I'm about to delete all the others
also.

I still would like the vibrator to work in the vertical to position for
documents mounted on the wall or bulletin boards.

 

Ron  Danvers

 

 

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 1:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

 

I purchased KNFB Reader this morning and tried it with a few printed
documents including a plain letter asking for a donation, an invoice and
something else. I used the phone in portrait mode and also had the letter
size document in portrait mode. KNFB Reader did an outstanding job on the
letter and I had very good results from the invoice and the other document.
The app is outstanding and I have already deleted Prizmo and Text Grabber
from my phone since I don't see myself using them any more now that I have
KNFB Reader.

 

The tilt feedback via vibrations is very useful and the field of view report
is amazing. The fact that it tells you whether you are holding the phone
even the slightest little bit turned with respect to the page qlong with
which edges are visible is awesome.

As Jonathan already pointed out the recognition is lightning fast and what I
really like is how simple the app is. They have definitely outdone
themselves with that app.

I have yet to put it through its paces in other situations, but I am already
very happy about my $100 investment as I know that it will be of much use in
the years to come.

 

 

Regards,

Sieghard

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Les Kriegler
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 11:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader, First Impressions

 

I contacted support at KNFB Reader and was advised to use portrait mode if
possible, both for the document layout and with the phone.

On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:48 PM, Kayaker sea...@me.com wrote:

 

Hi,

 

I'm no photographer, but I am a math and science guy. If you are saying that
taking a landscape picture of a page that is essentially a portrait improves
results, that makes no logical sense. The number of pixels lost is on the
order of 40%. You lose about 20% on the left and right sides to meaningless
background if a full portrait page is in view in landscape

 

I don't buy it. There must be another factor contributing to the issue.
Unless of course, the OCR engine works better with fewer pixels.

 

 

-k

Faith doesn't give you the answers, it merely stops you from asking the
questions.

 

 

 

On Sep 18, 2014, at 1:13 PM, Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org wrote:

 

There's your problem, hold it in landscape mode, you'll get better results.

I recommend Judy Dixon's book, Get the Picture, from National Braille Press.
it does a great job of helping a blind person understand photography.

Jonathan Mosen

Mosen Consulting

Blindness technology eBooks, tutorials and training

http://Mosen.org http://mosen.org/ 

 

On 19/09/2014, at 5:01 am, Krister Ekstrom kris...@kristersplace.com
wrote:

 

I tend to hold the phone so that the camera points towards the top of the
document. The vibration thingy is really a great help, they've been thinking
there. At the risk of sounding stupid again, should i not hold the phone
with the camera pointing to the top of the document but rather as if i had
it in landscape mode?

/Krister

 

18 sep 2014 kl. 18:15 skrev Jonathan Mosen jmo...@mosen.org:

 

Hi Krister, hard to know what you're doing without seeing what you're doing,
but the one thing that comes to mind is, are you holding the phone
lengthways or sideways? I find I get the best results by putting a page of
text on a table, like I would be reading it in Braille or visually. Then

Re: Deleting a book in the current version of the audible app

2014-09-21 Thread Ioana Gandrabur
In my case deleting and reinstalling the app did not fix the issue so, unless 
you're feeling adventurous, I wouldn't go for this solution.



Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 21, 2014, at 1:31 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 I also found that with the latest version the action rotor and the ability to 
 flick up or down to delete a book is gone.
 I called Audible this morning and reported this, but I think more people need 
 to do this and hopefully also send emails. When I called the customer service 
 number I this time was talking to a lady in Jamaica in a call centre and 
 while she said she would file this I am not so sure how effective that is.
  
 Now, here is what I found works:
  
 1.   Double tap the top delete button which is to the left of the refresh 
 button.
 2.   Unfortunately it does not even say that it is activated or selected 
 any more. But if you now check the list of titles by moving your finger to 
 the left of the title (don’t flick, drag it straight to the left of the 
 title) you will find an Edit Mode button.
 3.   Double tap or split tap this button.
 4.   Now check to the right of the title on the right edge there is a 
 delete button beside each title. If you double tap or split tap on it after 
 first tapping the edit button you will be prompted to delete the book.
  
 Cheryl, could you maybe check once more really carefully which version you 
 have by going to Settings and then look towards the bottom. The most current 
 version is 2.2.1 (351).
 I currently have quite a few books downloaded, but if you really have this 
 built and the action rotor still works I think I will have to bite the bullet 
 and delete the app completely, reinstall it and then redownload my books to 
 see if this brings back the action rotor option which really was great as far 
 as deleteing books is concerned.
 Also, just to be on the same page, do you have it set to download the book as 
 one large single download or do you still download in parts?
  
  
 Regards,
 Sieghard
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Robin Frost
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 6:24 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Deleting a book in the current version of the audible app
  
 Hi,
 Running iOS8 on an iPhone 5s and the latest build of the audible app I can’t 
 reproduce your results for love nor money. Device is selected and tapping the 
 delete button merely causes the book to open and start playing. Further more 
 the rotor doesn’t even show me an action option in here.
 Robin
  
  
 From: Cheryl Homiak
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 6:12 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Deleting a book in the current version of the audible app
  
 I am using 2.1.1 and am having no problem. . make sure you have 
 double-tappped device so that it is selected. Flick right and you will hear 
 delebe button deactivated. Double-tap it with one finger. This activates 
 the delete button but doesn't delete anything. When you flick right again you 
 will come to something that says delete with a bookname. When you double 
 tap this it says remove and you double tap that.You get an alert are you 
 sure. Go right to the remove button and double tap it.I think this is the 
 way it has worked for a while now unless we are using different versions. 
 Once you have deleted everything on your device, if you want to do that, the 
 main delete button goes back to deactivated. Otherwise, if you deleted some 
 books but still have some on your device, you will have to double-tap that 
 delete button again to deactivate it. Since you are talking about interacting 
 with the delete buttons, are you using a braille display and/or bluetooth 
 keyboard? If so, it could be a butg so that those are not focussing on the 
 right button. For me, delete is working the same as it has for a while. If 
 it's a problem with a keyboard or display, it might be a bug there instead of 
 with Audible specifically.
  
  
  
 --
 Cheryl
  
 I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
 I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
 thrown in the trash!
 Then God gave me a new heart and life:
 His joy for my despairing tears!
 And now, every day:
 This I call to mind,
 and therefore I have hope:
 The steadfast love of the Lord
 never ceases;
 his mercies never come to an end;
 they are new every morning;
 great is your faithfulness.
 (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
  
  
  
  
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 4:45 PM, Ioana Gandrabur igandra...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 
 Indeed, I am experiencing the same bug. Something to report to Audible I 
 guess.
 If anybody else finds a workaround for deleting books that we don't longer 
 one or an old device I am happy to hear about them. Thanks in advance.
  
 All the best,
  
 Ioana
  
  
  
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 5:01 PM, Robin Frost robinn...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi,
 forgive me in advance if I’m just stuck on slow today kids but 

Money Reader in IOS 8

2014-09-21 Thread Lois Butterfield
Hi all,

Am I the only one who has found that Money Reader doesn’t work since the 
upgrade.  I know of 2 people who say theirs still works.

I have deleted and reinstalled with no luck.  This is very discouraging to say 
the least.

Any ideas would be appreciated.

Thanks,
Lois

Lois Butterfield, Certified Scentsy Consultant
http://loisbutterfield.scentsy.us
lbutterfie...@cfl.rr.com
407-276-4173
Wonderful scents without the flame.

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Re: Hilarious three days and still can't install IOS 8 on a 5S

2014-09-21 Thread gs
I think since Apple is using its own CDN to distribute iOS 8, there may be 
certain ares where people are having more issues with the download than others 
and this may be much different than with past releases.  I finally got 
frustrated after a couple of days and connected to a VPN server and the 
download worked perfectly, even though I was unable to get it to complete using 
my home ISP.  I am just postulating and have no information to substantiate 
this.

On Sep 21, 2014, at 3:45 AM, christopher hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com 
wrote:

Lol! Did you mean 120 MB?

Sent from my Macbook Pro

On 21 Sep 2014, at 05:42, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:

 Hi Brian,
 
 Not sure how much data you have, but the Australian voice is 120 Gb, why not
 try it via 3G or LTE whichever you have.
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Brian Fischler
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 2:29 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Hilarious three days and still can't install IOS 8 on a 5S
 
 Unfortunately doing the reset settings did absolutely nothing as I am again
 trying to download the Australian enhanced quality and it has been stuck as
 preparing to download for five minutes again so that makes me think it is
 either Apple's servers or Verizon Fios is screwing me with my internet will
 have to get over to a neighbor's tomorrow and try it on their network,
 thanks for the advice 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 5:15 PM, Brian Fischler brianfisch...@me.com wrote:
 
 Thanks for all this. Yeah I am thinking I might have to try the reset
 settings considering the issues I had downloading IOS 8 as if I leave the
 download screen for any of the enhanced voices the download just craps out.
 Thanks for the info, going to make sure I know my wifi password and try
 this, thanks again.
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 3:55 PM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Hi Brian,
 
 Well, I am not sure if it's entirely Apple's servers or maybe slow
 download
 speed on your end. I just thought I try this and I started the Australian
 high quality voice download a bit over 1 minute ago and it's currently at
 20
 of 120 Mb. It does appear a bit slow on my end here as well, I have a
 connection which gives me 25 Mbps down and 5 up. It seems that it takes
 about 8 seconds in between Voiceover saying it's downloaded another Mb,
 so
 about 7 or 8 Mb per minute which would mean it will take 15 or 17 minutes
 to
 download the 120 Mb which normally would download on my connection in
 about
 a minute. I now went out of the speech setting screen back to the home
 screen and locked my phone, that was when the download was at 44 Mb. Now
 I
 went back maybe a minute or so later and I'm at 61 Mb, in other words for
 me
 the download is not super fast, but working just fine.
 Have you tried to maybe do a Reset all Network Settings on your phone to
 see
 if that clears things up? Make sure you know your WiFi password, though,
 you'll need to reconnect after the phone reboots.
 OK, now the download has finished and it took pretty much exactly 15
 minutes.
 
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On
 Behalf
 Of Brian Fischler
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 9:29 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Hilarious three days and still can't install IOS 8 on a 5S
 
 Hey Sieghard,
 
 Thanks for the laugh. Honestly the bugs for the most part I can live
 with.
 While I do find them a major statement about Apple's commitment to
 accessibility as I just can't get over the fact that Apple released a
 iPhone
 operating system where blind people can't dial a phone number. I guess
 that
 means that blind people won't be able to tell time with the iWatch. For
 the
 first time ever I am going to actually start paying more attention to
 Droid
 related info, as I do question how much testing Apple is actually doing
 with
 VO if this kind of a bug is going to appear in the release. I also have
 not
 been able to download any high quality voices after leaving the screen on
 trying to download the Australian HQ voice for six hours it was only at
 25megs of 125 downloaded. I am sure this is a server issue but not being
 able to download any of the HQ voices and I have plenty of room on my
 64GB
 is really pissing me off.
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 2:04 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Hi Brian,
 
 That was one bug I reported on very early theoretically even breaking 
 my NDA. Before the public release you actually had to power down your 
 phone completely to stop the tone, removing the phone from the app 
 switcher wouldn't do it so I guess there is improvement. Maybe in the 
 next update Apple will make it so the tone only sticks for 10 seconds 
 and then stops by itself. Anyhow, enough of the sarcasm, I was 
 actually going to reply and say that maybe you are in fact lucky 
 that the update didn't work. 

RE: Question about undoing dictation on iOS eight

2014-09-21 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Sounds like a bug to me.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Kellie
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 7:34 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Question about undoing dictation on iOS eight

Hey all, I was just curious if this is a new feature or a bug on iOS eight.
Whenever I shake my phone to undo a dictation it only select the text but
doesn't actually delete it. Is that a change or a bug does anyone know?

Kellie and guide Loki 
Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Apple Releases U2 Removal Tool, Today

2014-09-21 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Pablo,

Go to Settings, iTunes and App Store and right after your Apple Id you see a
heading called Show All. If you swipe right from there you find 2 options:
Music and Videos. Turn music off and anything in your music library which
has not been downloaded won't show any more.


Regards,
Sieghard

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Pablo Morales
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 7:53 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Apple Releases U2 Removal Tool, Today

But hold on, I didn't download any album, and I am seeing them in my music
app. It is very annoying. If I didn't download anything, why I have to take
their music, or advertizing of music, that I don't want?
If I put music from my computer, I have to see my music, the music that I
want, between the music that apple wants to sale me?
It is ridicules


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Alan Paganelli
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 3:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Apple Releases U2 Removal Tool, Today

I just went to music, artists and u2.  Then flicked up with 1 finger to get
to delete and double tapped.  U2 GONE!  End of story period.


Regards,

Alan

Go Chicago Bears in 2014!

Teenagers; Tired of being harassed by your stupid parents?  Act now! 
Move out.  Get a job.  Pay your bills wile you still know everything.

Please click on:
HTTP://WWW.home.earthlink.net/~alanandsuzanne/
There, you'll find free files of my arrangements and performances played on
the Yamaha Tyros 1 keyboard.  The albums in Technics  format formerly on my
website are still available upon request.  Thanks for listening!

- Original Message -
From: Christopher Hallsworth challswor...@icloud.com
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 11:36 AM
Subject: Re: Apple Releases U2 Removal Tool, Today


Hmmm because people complained about Apple invading their privacy
something stupid like that. I know I know. Totally unnecessary in my
view. Don't want it? Don't download it and wait for it to be removed
automatically!

Christopher Hallsworth
Student at the Hadley School for the Blind
www.hadley.edu

On 16/09/2014 14:36, Charles Rivard wrote:
 Why would Apple release a removal tool if the offer's going to be
 removed on or around the ninth of October, anyway?

 ---
 Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if you think you're
 finished, you! really! are! finished!
 - Original Message - From: Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2014 2:51 AM
 Subject: RE: Apple Releases U2 Removal Tool, Today


 And I bet now that people can remove it some will complain after October 
 13
 that maybe the decided they want it after all and now have to pay for it.
 What a bunch of baloney.


 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of M. Taylor
 Sent: Monday, September 15, 2014 12:39 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Apple Releases U2 Removal Tool, Today

 Hello Listers,

 The link to actually remove the album is located at the bottom of this
 post.

 Mark

 Apple has released a tool to remove U2's new album from its customers'
 iTunes accounts six days after giving away the music for free.

 Some users had complained about the fact that Songs of Innocence had
 automatically been downloaded to their devices without their permission.

 It had not been immediately obvious to many of the account holders how to
 delete the tracks.

 The US tech firm is now providing a one-click removal button.

 Some customers asked for the ability to delete 'Songs of Innocence' from
 their library, so we set up itunes.com/soi-remove to let them easily do 
 so.
 Any customer that needs additional help should contact AppleCare,
 spokesman
 Adam Howorth told the BBC.

 Users who want to remove the new U2 album can now click a button to do so
 Users who remove the album and do not download it again before 13 October
 will be charged for the 11 tracks if they subsequently try to add them
 again.

 It's embarrassing for Apple that it's had a bit of a backlash, commented
 Ian Maude from the media consultancy Enders Analysis.

 It was giving something away to its customers - so that part was really
 good - but what it should have probably done was make it optional. Not
 everybody's a U2 fan as it's just discovered.

 Is there any long-term impact? No. It's moved very quickly to fix the
 problem.

 'Blood, sweat and tears'

 Apple made the album available to about 500 million iTunes customers in 
 119
 countries to coincide with its iPhone 6 and Watch launch event last week.

 Some users had requested an easy way to delete the music from their media
 libraries U2's singer Bono acknowledged at the time that not everyone 
 would
 appreciate the gift.

 People who haven't heard our music, or weren't 

Re: Are IOS8 bugs on the iPhone6 also?

2014-09-21 Thread Daniel Miller
The build on my friends iPhone 6 plus is 12a366. It's not 12a365, like every 
other devices. So something has to be knew about it., I'm just not sure what.

Sent from my iPhone

 On Sep 21, 2014, at 12:02 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Built 12A365 is the same as the Goldmaster and the same as the public
 release which everybody received.
 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of John Diakogeorgiou
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:30 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Are IOS8 bugs on the iPhone6 also?
 
 I haven't been able to compare the build on the 5s and 6 but the 6 is
 12a365.
 
 On 9/20/14, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Daniel,
 
 I know Apple sometimes releases an iOS update for a particular phone, 
 but I have not heard that this is the case with iOS 8. What would make 
 you say that the iOS 8 version on the 6 Plus is different from that 
 everybody else has?
 Also, the typing feedback thing just as the bluetooth problem and some 
 others seems to be more of a problem for some than for others. I have 
 a 5S and don't have the typing feedback issue.
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
 Behalf Of Daniel Miller
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 10:00 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Are IOS8 bugs on the iPhone6 also?
 
 Hello,
 
 The bug where VoiceOver doesn't respect your typing feedback setting 
 isn't present on the 6 Plus. I had a friend test it for me while i was 
 on Skype with him. Charles, the build of iOS 8 that's on the 6 Plus is 
 a slightly newer build than is on all previous phones.
 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
 
 The bugs would be with the operating system, not the phone.
 
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 - Original Message - From: James Lockwood
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 To: iphone group viphone@googlegroups.com
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 10:50 AM
 Subject: Are IOS8 bugs on the iPhone6 also?
 
 
 When IOS7 came out i installed it on my then iPhone5. There were bugs
 which I did not notice with the iPhone5s when i got it. Wondering if 
 all these IOS8 bugs are happening on the iPhone6 or 6+ as well? I know 
 they are happening on the older phones. One would hope it wasnt 
 happening on the iphone for which the software was designed originally 
 for. Can someone post a review of the iPhone six bugs if any?
 
 
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RE: touch typing with ios8

2014-09-21 Thread Pablo Morales
You mean, that it is the same touch typing that we have onn IOs 7?

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
Of Scott Berry
Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 8:40 PM
To: Vi Phone
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8

 

i swear by touch typing.  The simplest way to describe it is find the letter
you want and let up on the letter and it adds it.  I also have a keyboard
that connects to the bottom of my phone but my fingers are too big for it
and I don't like it.

 

 

On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:





The thing I find disappointing about direct touch typing is when you're in
the phone app it pretty much acts like it would when in standard typing
mode. I don't know if this is a bug or if they purposely did this so that we
don't mess up. But if we did mess up, that's what the delete button is for.

 

Shawn

Sent From My White MacBook

 

On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Cheryl Homiak cah4...@icloud.com wrote:

 

You certainly can do it with a split tap. What is described in iOS8 without
the eye and is maybe more difficult but works, is to tap the letter and
then release quickly. I think this would require a good finger memory of
where the different letters are or a screen protector with dots because if I
understand correctly you are just tapping down and then releasing quickly.
It's different from touch typing because with touch typing you can just
slide your finger around and lift up. The direct touch typing needs a
definite tap and then a quick release. I'm probably not describing this very
well and I'm not very good at it yet but I've done it enough to know sort of
how it feels. But a split tap also would accomplish this I think.

 

 

-- 

Cheryl

 

I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.

I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper

thrown in the trash!

Then God gave me a new heart and life:

His joy for my despairing tears!

And now, every day:

This I call to mind,

and therefore I have hope:

The steadfast love of the Lord

never ceases;

his mercies never come to an end;

they are new every morning;

great is your faithfulness.

(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)

 

 

 

 

On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:21 PM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:





Touch typing is the same as it was.  Find the letter and lift your finger to
activate.  The new method is to find the letter and touch elsewhere on the
screen, sort of like a split tap, to activate.


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you! really! are! finished!

- Original Message -

From:  mailto:mahorney@googlemail.com Ray T. Mahorney

To:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com

Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:14 PM

Subject: RE: touch typing with ios8

 

how does direct typing differ from touch typing?

 

 

Ray T. Mahorney

WA4WGA

 

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mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
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Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 2:37
To:  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8

 

Hi Jonathan,

 

My husband and I were discussing this topic at length this evening, and he
pointed out something I had long since forgotten.  Many, if not most sighted
people don't even look at their keyboard when they are typing on the iPhone.
Whether they realize it or not, they are actually watching the output of
what they are typing on the screen, but are in fact, typing purely by muscle
memory and familiarity of the keyboard with their fingers or thumbs.  I have
a sighted friend and neighbor who, I swear, has to set some sort of speed
record with her ability to type quickly on the iPhone.  She most definitely
isn't watching what she is typing, and the clicking sound that accompanies
each keystroke simply can't keep up with her movement. LOL  Having had
usable vision once myself, I know exactly what he is talking about, because
I have been touch typing now since I was in the third grade or so.  I have
longed for a way to type as sighted folks do on my iDevices, not so much
because I just have an overwhelming desire to be like the sighted, but
because I honestly believe I could type more quickly and efficiently that
way.  Even on the iPhone, which doesn't have nearly as much space in which
to position either or both hands, I can make good use of the direct typing
function with one or two fingers at a time.  It's just like anything else,
it comes with a learning curve, and as always, it's not for everyone.
Personally, I have no use for inputting text via a virtual braille keyboard,
as I just can't get used to scrunching my fingers into such a small place,
and I really do prefer tactile buttons pressing underneath my fingers, but I
think the concept is cool and I am glad there are folks who can make use to
it. :-)  As for me and braille input, I'll stick to the 

Re: Money Reader in IOS 8

2014-09-21 Thread Alex Hall
It works here too. Try this:
1. Open Settings, then go to Privacy, then Camera.
2. In the list of apps, find Money Reader and see if it is on or off.
3. If it is off, double tap to turn it on. This will let the app access the 
camera; it sounds like it might not have that permission right now.
On Sep 21, 2014, at 12:55 PM, Lois Butterfield lbutterfield...@gmail.com 
wrote:

 Hi all,
  
 Am I the only one who has found that Money Reader doesn't work since the 
 upgrade.  I know of 2 people who say theirs still works.
  
 I have deleted and reinstalled with no luck.  This is very discouraging to 
 say the least.
  
 Any ideas would be appreciated.
  
 Thanks,
 Lois
  
 Lois Butterfield, Certified Scentsy Consultant
 http://loisbutterfield.scentsy.us
 lbutterfie...@cfl.rr.com
 407-276-4173
 Wonderful scents without the flame.
 
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Re: Are IOS8 bugs on the iPhone6 also?

2014-09-21 Thread Alex Hall
Is it the 6 Plus perhaps? I see 12A65 on the iPhone6 we have here, but I don't 
have a Plus to check.
On Sep 21, 2014, at 1:00 PM, Daniel Miller miller...@gmail.com wrote:

 The build on my friends iPhone 6 plus is 12a366. It's not 12a365, like every 
 other devices. So something has to be knew about it., I'm just not sure what.
 
 Sent from my iPhone
 
 On Sep 21, 2014, at 12:02 AM, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 
 Built 12A365 is the same as the Goldmaster and the same as the public
 release which everybody received.
 
 
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 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of John Diakogeorgiou
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 5:30 PM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Are IOS8 bugs on the iPhone6 also?
 
 I haven't been able to compare the build on the 5s and 6 but the 6 is
 12a365.
 
 On 9/20/14, Sieghard Weitzel siegh...@live.ca wrote:
 Hi Daniel,
 
 I know Apple sometimes releases an iOS update for a particular phone, 
 but I have not heard that this is the case with iOS 8. What would make 
 you say that the iOS 8 version on the 6 Plus is different from that 
 everybody else has?
 Also, the typing feedback thing just as the bluetooth problem and some 
 others seems to be more of a problem for some than for others. I have 
 a 5S and don't have the typing feedback issue.
 
 Regards,
 Sieghard
 
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 Behalf Of Daniel Miller
 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 10:00 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: Are IOS8 bugs on the iPhone6 also?
 
 Hello,
 
 The bug where VoiceOver doesn't respect your typing feedback setting 
 isn't present on the 6 Plus. I had a friend test it for me while i was 
 on Skype with him. Charles, the build of iOS 8 that's on the 6 Plus is 
 a slightly newer build than is on all previous phones.
 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 11:27 AM, Charles Rivard wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
 
 The bugs would be with the operating system, not the phone.
 
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 Sent: Saturday, September 20, 2014 10:50 AM
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 When IOS7 came out i installed it on my then iPhone5. There were bugs
 which I did not notice with the iPhone5s when i got it. Wondering if 
 all these IOS8 bugs are happening on the iPhone6 or 6+ as well? I know 
 they are happening on the older phones. One would hope it wasnt 
 happening on the iphone for which the software was designed originally 
 for. Can someone post a review of the iPhone six bugs if any?
 
 
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RE: touch typing with ios8

2014-09-21 Thread Sieghard Weitzel
Hi Pablo,

 

The discussion was about Direct Touch Typing which is a third choice in iOS 8. 
There now is Standard Typing, Touch Typing and Direct Touch Typing.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Pablo Morales
Sent: Sunday, September 21, 2014 9:42 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: touch typing with ios8

 

Hi Teresa.

I don’t understand when you say that direct touch typing is similar than typing 
on a keyboard. I mean, I have IOs7.x, and I know 2 typing mode; standard 
typing, and touch typing. The first is doing a double tab on each letter that 
we want to tuype. The second is sliding our finger until the letter we want to 
type, and releasing the finger on that letter. Automaticly the letter is typed 
with out double tab. When you say that direct touch typing is similar than 
typing on a keyboard, I can’t figure out how is it. Can you give me more 
details?

Thanks in advance.

 

 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Teresa Cochran
Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8

 

yes, it's a Voiceover function. It allows you to tap the letter you want to use 
once you reach it. It's kind of similar to typing on a keyboard. I think it 
feels quite natural, but I'm experiencing some issues with it. It doesn't work 
for entering my passcode. In fact my iPod 5G defaults to standard typing when  
I enter the passcode, so I've switched back to touch typing.

 

Teresa

We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks


On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Tom Rash dadnthed...@gmail.com 
mailto:dadnthed...@gmail.com  wrote:

What is direct touch typing?  Is it usable with voice over? 

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
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Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:40 PM
To: Vi Phone
Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8

i swear by touch typing.  The simplest way to describe it is find the letter
you want and let up on the letter and it adds it.  I also have a keyboard
that connects to the bottom of my phone but my fingers are too big for it
and I don't like it.


On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com 
mailto:bbssh...@icloud.com  wrote:


   The thing I find disappointing about direct touch typing is when
you're in the phone app it pretty much acts like it would when in standard
typing mode. I don't know if this is a bug or if they purposely did this so
that we don't mess up. But if we did mess up, that's what the delete button
is for.

   Shawn
   Sent From My White MacBook


   On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Cheryl Homiak
cah4...@icloud.com mailto:cah4...@icloud.com  wrote:

   You certainly can do it with a split tap. What is described
in iOS8 without the eye and is maybe more difficult but works, is to tap
the letter and then release quickly. I think this would require a good
finger memory of where the different letters are or a screen protector with
dots because if I understand correctly you are just tapping down and then
releasing quickly. It's different from touch typing because with touch
typing you can just slide your finger around and lift up. The direct touch
typing needs a definite tap and then a quick release. I'm probably not
describing this very well and I'm not very good at it yet but I've done it
enough to know sort of how it feels. But a split tap also would accomplish
this I think.


   
   -- 
   Cheryl

   I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
   I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
   thrown in the trash!
   Then God gave me a new heart and life:
   His joy for my despairing tears!
   And now, every day:
   This I call to mind,
   and therefore I have hope:
   The steadfast love of the Lord
   never ceases;
   his mercies never come to an end;
   they are new every morning;
   great is your faithfulness.
   (Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)




   On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:21 PM, Charles Rivard
wee1s...@fidnet.com mailto:wee1s...@fidnet.com  wrote:


   Touch typing is the same as it was.  Find the letter
and lift your finger to activate.  The new method is to find the letter and
touch elsewhere on the screen, sort of like a split tap, to activate.

   ---
   Be positive!  When it comes to being defeated, if
you think you're finished, you! really! are! finished!

   - Original Message -
   From: Ray T. Mahorney
mailto:mahorney@googlemail.com 
   To: viphone@googlegroups.com mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com 
   Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2014 10:14 PM
   Subject: RE: 

Re: The good things in iOS8

2014-09-21 Thread christopher hallsworth
Doesn't work in password fields either. Have to switch to touch typing to do 
this.

Sent from my Macbook Pro

On 21 Sep 2014, at 01:31, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:

 I too like the direct touch typing, but noticed that it doesn't work in the 
 phone app. I'm puzzled as to why that is.
 
 Shawn
 Sent From My White MacBook
 
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 7:00 PM, Laura laura@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi
 
 I know there have been some bugs, and I know there's been some upset, but I 
 wanted to take a moment to recognise the good things in iOS8. 
 
 I love the direct typing feature. I've been hoping for it for years, and I'm 
 so much faster on both the iPad and iPhone as a result. I also love having 
 Alex as an option, and having braille as a universal input will make it much 
 easier to type in louder environments  
 
 I'm not saying we shouldn't give them feedback about the bugs, or that we 
 shouldn't complain if they don't listen, but we could also recognise the 
 things they have done well. And it's also worth noting that a lot of sighted 
 people are upset about the bugs in the current release. I'd be wary about 
 reading too much into apple's commitment to accessibility based on the 
 voiceover bugs in this release. 
 
 Cheers. 
 
 Laura
 
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Re: touch typing with ios8

2014-09-21 Thread Gmail
Actually, you can use it the way Theresa described it, but the way it's 
supposed to be used is sort of like Fleksy, from my understanding. You tap 
directly on the letter you want to input, not find it in then lift up as you do 
in the regular touch typing mode. As you can imagine, this requires very, very 
good muscle memory. I might try it, but it will probably take me a while to 
become proficient.


Thanks,
Ari

 On Sep 21, 2014, at 9:41 AM, Pablo Morales pablomorale...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi Teresa.
 I don’t understand when you say that direct touch typing is similar than 
 typing on a keyboard. I mean, I have IOs7.x, and I know 2 typing mode; 
 standard typing, and touch typing. The first is doing a double tab on each 
 letter that we want to tuype. The second is sliding our finger until the 
 letter we want to type, and releasing the finger on that letter. Automaticly 
 the letter is typed with out double tab. When you say that direct touch 
 typing is similar than typing on a keyboard, I can’t figure out how is it. 
 Can you give me more details?
 Thanks in advance.
  
  
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
 Teresa Cochran
 Sent: Friday, September 19, 2014 10:06 AM
 To: viphone@googlegroups.com
 Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
  
 yes, it's a Voiceover function. It allows you to tap the letter you want to 
 use once you reach it. It's kind of similar to typing on a keyboard. I think 
 it feels quite natural, but I'm experiencing some issues with it. It doesn't 
 work for entering my passcode. In fact my iPod 5G defaults to standard typing 
 when  I enter the passcode, so I've switched back to touch typing.
  
 Teresa
 
 We can see with the eyes, but we see with the brain as well, and seeing with 
 the brain is often called imagination.--Oliver Sacks
 
 On Sep 19, 2014, at 6:44 AM, Tom Rash dadnthed...@gmail.com wrote:
 
 What is direct touch typing?  Is it usable with voice over? 
 
 -Original Message-
 From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf
 Of Scott Berry
 Sent: Thursday, September 18, 2014 5:40 PM
 To: Vi Phone
 Subject: Re: touch typing with ios8
 
 i swear by touch typing.  The simplest way to describe it is find the letter
 you want and let up on the letter and it adds it.  I also have a keyboard
 that connects to the bottom of my phone but my fingers are too big for it
 and I don't like it.
 
 
 On Sep 18, 2014, at 5:56 PM, Shawn Krasniuk bbssh...@icloud.com wrote:
 
 
The thing I find disappointing about direct touch typing is when
 you're in the phone app it pretty much acts like it would when in standard
 typing mode. I don't know if this is a bug or if they purposely did this so
 that we don't mess up. But if we did mess up, that's what the delete button
 is for.
 
Shawn
Sent From My White MacBook
 
 
On Sep 17, 2014, at 11:02 PM, Cheryl Homiak
 cah4...@icloud.com wrote:
 
You certainly can do it with a split tap. What is described
 in iOS8 without the eye and is maybe more difficult but works, is to tap
 the letter and then release quickly. I think this would require a good
 finger memory of where the different letters are or a screen protector with
 dots because if I understand correctly you are just tapping down and then
 releasing quickly. It's different from touch typing because with touch
 typing you can just slide your finger around and lift up. The direct touch
 typing needs a definite tap and then a quick release. I'm probably not
 describing this very well and I'm not very good at it yet but I've done it
 enough to know sort of how it feels. But a split tap also would accomplish
 this I think.
 
 

-- 
Cheryl
 
I tried and tried to turn over a new leaf.
I got crumpled wads of tear-stained paper
thrown in the trash!
Then God gave me a new heart and life:
His joy for my despairing tears!
And now, every day:
This I call to mind,
and therefore I have hope:
The steadfast love of the Lord
never ceases;
his mercies never come to an end;
they are new every morning;
great is your faithfulness.
(Lamentations 3:21-23 ESV)
 
 
 
 
On Sep 17, 2014, at 10:21 PM, Charles Rivard
 wee1s...@fidnet.com wrote:
 
 
Touch typing is the same as it was.  Find the letter
 and lift your finger to activate.  The new method is to find the letter and
 touch elsewhere on the screen, sort of like a split tap, to activate.
 
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Re: The good things in iOS8

2014-09-21 Thread christopher hallsworth
I love Braille Screen Input and interactive notifications as well.
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On 21 Sep 2014, at 01:07, Alex Hall mehg...@icloud.com wrote:

 I love braille input, even though spaces aren't always recognized. I also 
 love interactive notifications and widgets, and (once Yosemite comes out) I'm 
 really looking forward to Handoff. The Alex voice is great, and I'm sad that 
 my 5 won't support it. It will also be nice to have Fleksy as a global 
 keyboard, though at the moment that isn't looking too good. Still, just the 
 potential for it to happen soon is closer than we've ever been, and in the 
 meantime the braille is still there. More rotor actions, the fact that 
 notifications no longer interrupt a say-all (except texts), and other small 
 changes are also great to have. Overall, since I don't use a keyboard or 
 braille display, I can live with the bugs that I experience, and I find the 
 benefits outweigh the problems. Plus, you have to figure that Apple 
 Accessibility got hit hard with bug reports, as well they should have. When 
 the bluetooth keyboard problems in iOS7 appeared in last year's initial 
 release, a fix was out within a couple weeks. I'd be amazed if the same thing 
 didn't happen again, perhaps as part of the October update that is said to 
 enable Apple Pay.
 On Sep 20, 2014, at 8:00 PM, Laura laura@gmail.com wrote:
 
 Hi
 
 I know there have been some bugs, and I know there's been some upset, but I 
 wanted to take a moment to recognise the good things in iOS8. 
 
 I love the direct typing feature. I've been hoping for it for years, and I'm 
 so much faster on both the iPad and iPhone as a result. I also love having 
 Alex as an option, and having braille as a universal input will make it much 
 easier to type in louder environments  
 
 I'm not saying we shouldn't give them feedback about the bugs, or that we 
 shouldn't complain if they don't listen, but we could also recognise the 
 things they have done well. And it's also worth noting that a lot of sighted 
 people are upset about the bugs in the current release. I'd be wary about 
 reading too much into apple's commitment to accessibility based on the 
 voiceover bugs in this release. 
 
 Cheers. 
 
 Laura
 
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Re: The good things in iOS8

2014-09-21 Thread christopher hallsworth
Need to really try this as turned it off for now as thought I would find it a 
hindrance than a help.

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 And the predict feature is great!
 
 
 On 9/20/2014 6:00 PM, Laura wrote:
 Hi
 
 I know there have been some bugs, and I know there's been some upset, but I 
 wanted to take a moment to recognise the good things in iOS8.
 
 I love the direct typing feature. I've been hoping for it for years, and I'm 
 so much faster on both the iPad and iPhone as a result. I also love having 
 Alex as an option, and having braille as a universal input will make it much 
 easier to type in louder environments
 
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 shouldn't complain if they don't listen, but we could also recognise the 
 things they have done well. And it's also worth noting that a lot of sighted 
 people are upset about the bugs in the current release. I'd be wary about 
 reading too much into apple's commitment to accessibility based on the 
 voiceover bugs in this release.
 
 Cheers.
 
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Re: Maps in Ios 8

2014-09-21 Thread Charles Rivard
When it works, it works well.  It's not 100 percent reliable, though, but I 
think it is a project in the works, so give it some time for improvement in 
future firmware updates.  It announces upcoming streets and the direction 
the street runs, and points of interest are also mentioned.  I haven't 
tested it while driving because, for some reason, they discriminate against 
blind people when it comes to issuing driving licenses.  Darn them, anyway!! 
It does work for pedestrians, though.


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Hi folks.
So, how do you think the Maps app in Ios8 work compared to earlier versions? 
I never got the hang of using it as a navigation tool with turn-by-turn 
instructions it sounded complicated and confusing to me in earlier versions, 
how does this work now? Does Apple Maps even have voice instructions?

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