Re: NFB news online and KNFB reader.

[deidre muccio]

oh good, I'm glad someone knows that there have been some changes made since I 
first downloaded that app. I've been using it forever until the new phone when 
I downloaded it again. But it's got all these things in there that I didn't put 
in there and it won't let me delete them. That's when I wrote bob Watson and he 
told me I needed to get it through test flight and it is somehow linked to knFB 
reader. i used to have that scanning program but I deleted it ages ago and use 
voice dream scanner. I guess I'll give it a try and see what happens. All I'm 
interested in are  my favorite publications. I certainly don't need another 
scanning program.
deidre


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> On May 11, 2020, at 6:03 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Hi Deidre,
> I don't know what NFB is doing with Newsline and KNFB Reader.  It has been in 
> beta for almost a year I think.
> They never, ever, ever, respond to feedback.  Maybe they are still suckering 
> people into buying the $100 version of KNFB Reader so don't want to make the 
> free version that is blended into Newsline widely available.
> 
> But, is it like the old version of KNFB, kind of.
> It is "KNFB Basic." Which can do basic scans, but Voice Dream Reader is 
> easier and better for 99% of what I do.
> And, sadly typical of NFB, the app is done very oddly.
> Screen number 4 or Page 4, is where you enter your Newsline sign in 
> information.
> Also where you set the speaking rate.
> Then on that same 4th page is the KNFB Reader Basic settings like 
> automatically recognize text, Automatically speak text, The theme color.
> 
> Page 3 or screen number 3, is where you actually use KNFB Reader Basic.
> Screen or page 2 is where you access the things like Information sources, 
> your states info, breaking news, information from other states, etc.
> 
> Screen or page 1, is where you do your Newsline reading of your favorites.
> 
> In my opinion; and I said this to them several times through the betas, they 
> have it basAkwards.
> 
> The Newsline portion works great though, until it crashes.  After sending in 
> feedback, it works great again for quite a while.
> 
> As for the getting around in an email, yes, the extra stuff is just above the 
> keyboard, just below the message text.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard
> "There's a nap for that." - an anonymous cat in a window in Portland, Oregon.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
> muccio
> Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 1:00 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: NFB news online and KNFB reader.
> 
> can someone please explain to me what's going on with NFB news online? Now it 
> has to be  accessed through test flight and some other additional step needs 
> to be taken. Does it look like the old app that used to work so beautifully 
> on my old phone?I'm afraid to even try to do it the new way to get at the 
> beta version which is what Bob Watson from NFB is telling me I need to do.
> I might be getting the hang of dictating and moving around in a male message. 
> It appears as if I touch above the top row of letters that's where all that 
> other stuff is to change formatting insert pictures etc. Am I right about 
> that?
> deidre
> 
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Re: NFB news online and KNFB reader.

[Alex Stone]

I’m not sure, but I think I heard somewhere that knfb reader was no longer 
being developed.

> On 11 May 2020, at 20:59, deidre muccio  wrote:
> 
> can someone please explain to me what's going on with NFB news online? Now 
> it has to be  accessed through test flight and some other additional step 
> needs to be taken. Does it look like the old app that used to work so 
> beautifully on my old phone?I'm afraid to even try to do it the new way to 
> get at the beta version which is what Bob Watson from NFB is telling me I 
> need to do.
> I might be getting the hang of dictating and moving around in a male message. 
> It appears as if I touch above the top row of letters that's where all that 
> other stuff is to change formatting insert pictures etc. Am I right about 
> that?
> deidre
> 
> 
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RE: NFB news online and KNFB reader.

[Richard Turner]

Hi Deidre,
I don't know what NFB is doing with Newsline and KNFB Reader.  It has been in 
beta for almost a year I think.
They never, ever, ever, respond to feedback.  Maybe they are still suckering 
people into buying the $100 version of KNFB Reader so don't want to make the 
free version that is blended into Newsline widely available.

But, is it like the old version of KNFB, kind of.
It is "KNFB Basic." Which can do basic scans, but Voice Dream Reader is easier 
and better for 99% of what I do.
And, sadly typical of NFB, the app is done very oddly.
Screen number 4 or Page 4, is where you enter your Newsline sign in information.
Also where you set the speaking rate.
Then on that same 4th page is the KNFB Reader Basic settings like automatically 
recognize text, Automatically speak text, The theme color.

Page 3 or screen number 3, is where you actually use KNFB Reader Basic.
Screen or page 2 is where you access the things like Information sources, your 
states info, breaking news, information from other states, etc.

Screen or page 1, is where you do your Newsline reading of your favorites.

In my opinion; and I said this to them several times through the betas, they 
have it basAkwards.

The Newsline portion works great though, until it crashes.  After sending in 
feedback, it works great again for quite a while.

As for the getting around in an email, yes, the extra stuff is just above the 
keyboard, just below the message text.







Richard
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of deidre 
muccio
Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 1:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: NFB news online and KNFB reader.

can someone please explain to me what's going on with NFB news online? Now it 
has to be  accessed through test flight and some other additional step needs to 
be taken. Does it look like the old app that used to work so beautifully on my 
old phone?I'm afraid to even try to do it the new way to get at the beta 
version which is what Bob Watson from NFB is telling me I need to do.
I might be getting the hang of dictating and moving around in a male message. 
It appears as if I touch above the top row of letters that's where all that 
other stuff is to change formatting insert pictures etc. Am I right about that?
deidre


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NFB news online and KNFB reader.

[deidre muccio]

can someone please explain to me what's going on with NFB news online? Now it 
has to be  accessed through test flight and some other additional step needs to 
be taken. Does it look like the old app that used to work so beautifully on my 
old phone?I'm afraid to even try to do it the new way to get at the beta 
version which is what Bob Watson from NFB is telling me I need to do.
I might be getting the hang of dictating and moving around in a male message. 
It appears as if I touch above the top row of letters that's where all that 
other stuff is to change formatting insert pictures etc. Am I right about that?
deidre


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Re: NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta + KNFB Reader Basic

[Richard Turner]

Arleen and others,
I think things are missing because on every attempt to get newspapers, no 
matter which section, the below list is all that shows up, and double tapping 
on any of them gets no result. This particular list is from the international 
newspapers, and as you will see, it isn't a list of international newspapers, 
but the same list as in several other places in the Newsline beta.

International Newspapers
ACB Bralle Forum 07/01/2019
Braille Monitor 07/01/2019
Economist 06/27/2019
Future Reflections 12/01/2019
New Yorker 07/08/2019




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On Jul 4, 2019, at 2:01 AM, Arlene 
mailto:arlenes71...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

Edward, and, Richard, thank you, both for explaining how the new nfb app is set 
up. Idid try to go left and right, but it didn't seem to work for me, but after 
you both explained it, I was able to navigate it fine. I probably should have 
given it a little more time the other day and maybe I would have gotten it 
figured out, but the important thing is I do now. On the newsline part of the 
app the weather information and the tv listings is included. Richard, when you 
said some things were left out, did you mean with the knfb scanner part of the 
app? As far as newsline is concerned, and what I'm about to mention, while it 
has to do with newsline, the web version which isn't an app, that you could go 
on to newsline with your computer doesn't include the weather. On the newsline 
part of this new beta app, we don't notice anything missing. It's probably too 
hard to predict, but do you think the price of knfb reader will be going down? 
I guess they know the competition of voice dream scanner and voice ocr.

ARlene

- Original Message -
From: Richard Turner<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 6:34 PM
Subject: Re: NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta + KNFB Reader Basic


Well, I hope they plan to get NFB Newsline back to having all of its content.
Right now, they have almost nothing available.
But, the KNFB Reader Basic, seems to be OK.
I assume by Basic, they mean you will not have all the features that are in the 
full paid app.
Well, at free, it might be worth the price if they get Newsline fixed.

Richard


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On Jul 3, 2019, at 4:19 PM, Arlene 
mailto:arlenes71...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

Judy, the tv schedule is included in the new app.
- Original Message -
From: Judy Holloway<mailto:judy...@gmail.com>
To: Richard Turner<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta + KNFB Reader Basic


Hi. Are the TV program schedules still included with the new beta KNFB 
newsline-online app?

Thanks.

Judy

On Jul 3, 2019 12:55 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
I've been a Newsline subscriber for many years, but missed that email.
Thanks to Arlene and Alan for sending it along.
Arlene, you start out on page 4 where you enter your credentials.
At the bottom of the page, is a spot that says page 4 of 4.
You can either do the single finger flick down at that spot to move back or do 
the three finger swipe from left to right to move back eventually to Newsline.
A bit different, but great to see they are making KNFB Reader available this 
way and my first scan was pretty good.
Not as good as either Voice Dream Scanner or Voice OCR.
But that is fine.
Later,


Richard

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indistinguishable from magic."
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On Jul 3, 2019, at 8:47 AM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Below is the email Scott White sent out yesterday discussing the Newsline and 
KNFB Reader basic beta.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

From: Scott White mailto:swh...@nfb.org>>
Date: July 2, 2019 at 3:34:09 PM CDT
To: WILLIAM LEMLY mailto:wale...@gmail.com>>

Re: NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta + KNFB Reader Basic

[Arlene]

Edward, and, Richard, thank you, both for explaining how the new nfb app is set 
up. Idid try to go left and right, but it didn't seem to work for me, but after 
you both explained it, I was able to navigate it fine. I probably should have 
given it a little more time the other day and maybe I would have gotten it 
figured out, but the important thing is I do now. On the newsline part of the 
app the weather information and the tv listings is included. Richard, when you 
said some things were left out, did you mean with the knfb scanner part of the 
app? As far as newsline is concerned, and what I'm about to mention, while it 
has to do with newsline, the web version which isn't an app, that you could go 
on to newsline with your computer doesn't include the weather. On the newsline 
part of this new beta app, we don't notice anything missing. It's probably too 
hard to predict, but do you think the price of knfb reader will be going down? 
I guess they know the competition of voice dream scanner and voice ocr.

ARlene

  - Original Message - 
  From: Richard Turner 
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 6:34 PM
  Subject: Re: NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta + KNFB Reader Basic




  Well, I hope they plan to get NFB Newsline back to having all of its content. 
  Right now, they have almost nothing available.
  But, the KNFB Reader Basic, seems to be OK. 
  I assume by Basic, they mean you will not have all the features that are in 
the full paid app.
  Well, at free, it might be worth the price if they get Newsline fixed.


  Richard



  Richard 


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  On Jul 3, 2019, at 4:19 PM, Arlene  wrote:


Judy, the tv schedule is included in the new app.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Judy Holloway 
  To: Richard Turner 
  Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 1:10 PM
  Subject: Re: NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta + KNFB Reader Basic


  Hi. Are the TV program schedules still included with the new beta KNFB 
newsline-online app?

  Thanks.

  Judy

  On Jul 3, 2019 12:55 PM, Richard Turner  
wrote:

I've been a Newsline subscriber for many years, but missed that email. 
Thanks to Arlene and Alan for sending it along.
Arlene, you start out on page 4 where you enter your credentials.
At the bottom of the page, is a spot that says page 4 of 4.
You can either do the single finger flick down at that spot to move 
back or do the three finger swipe from left to right to move back eventually to 
Newsline.
A bit different, but great to see they are making KNFB Reader available 
this way and my first scan was pretty good.
Not as good as either Voice Dream Scanner or Voice OCR.
But that is fine.
Later,



Richard 


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technology is indistinguishable from magic." 
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On Jul 3, 2019, at 8:47 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:




  Below is the email Scott White sent out yesterday discussing the 
Newsline and KNFB Reader basic beta. 


  Alan Lemly 


  Sent from my iPhone

  Begin forwarded message:


From: Scott White 
Date: July 2, 2019 at 3:34:09 PM CDT
To: WILLIAM LEMLY 
Subject: NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta + KNFB Reader Basic


Available Now! NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta with KNFB Reader Basic

The National Federation of the Blind is excited to announce that 
the updated NFB-NEWSLINE mobile app beta version is now available to download 
on your iPhones and iPads. Included in the app is the KNFB Reader Basic which 
provides the useful core features at no cost. Within the KNFB Reader section, 
just point and shoot for access to print on-the-go. This beta version is a 
pre-released, advanced development of the app. Your participation and feedback 
expand the amount of testing done, which will help us develop a better product. 
Note: Installing this beta app will overwrite your existing NFB-NEWSLINE mobile 
app. Enjoy NFB-NEWSLINE and KNFB Reader Basic, together!

How to get the app:

First, download the Test Flight app on your device.

Then, on your device, select NFB-NEWSLINE 3.0 Beta by going to this 
link: https://testflight.apple.com/join/zuoVUXFv. You'll need your NFB-NEWSLINE 
login credentials.

Share your feedback or request assistance by sending an email to 
nfbnewsline-...@nfb.org or calling 866-504-7300.

We look forward to your participation and feedback.

National Federation of the Blind | nfb.org | 866-504-7300 | 

Re: NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta + KNFB Reader Basic

[Richard Turner]

Well, I hope they plan to get NFB Newsline back to having all of its content.
Right now, they have almost nothing available.
But, the KNFB Reader Basic, seems to be OK.
I assume by Basic, they mean you will not have all the features that are in the 
full paid app.
Well, at free, it might be worth the price if they get Newsline fixed.

Richard


Richard

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On Jul 3, 2019, at 4:19 PM, Arlene 
mailto:arlenes71...@earthlink.net>> wrote:

Judy, the tv schedule is included in the new app.
- Original Message -
From: Judy Holloway<mailto:judy...@gmail.com>
To: Richard Turner<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 1:10 PM
Subject: Re: NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta + KNFB Reader Basic


Hi. Are the TV program schedules still included with the new beta KNFB 
newsline-online app?

Thanks.

Judy

On Jul 3, 2019 12:55 PM, Richard Turner 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
I've been a Newsline subscriber for many years, but missed that email.
Thanks to Arlene and Alan for sending it along.
Arlene, you start out on page 4 where you enter your credentials.
At the bottom of the page, is a spot that says page 4 of 4.
You can either do the single finger flick down at that spot to move back or do 
the three finger swipe from left to right to move back eventually to Newsline.
A bit different, but great to see they are making KNFB Reader available this 
way and my first scan was pretty good.
Not as good as either Voice Dream Scanner or Voice OCR.
But that is fine.
Later,


Richard

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indistinguishable from magic."
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On Jul 3, 2019, at 8:47 AM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Below is the email Scott White sent out yesterday discussing the Newsline and 
KNFB Reader basic beta.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

From: Scott White mailto:swh...@nfb.org>>
Date: July 2, 2019 at 3:34:09 PM CDT
To: WILLIAM LEMLY mailto:wale...@gmail.com>>
Subject: NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta + KNFB Reader Basic


Available Now! NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta with KNFB Reader Basic

The National Federation of the Blind is excited to announce that the updated 
NFB-NEWSLINE mobile app beta version is now available to download on your 
iPhones and iPads. Included in the app is the KNFB Reader Basic which provides 
the useful core features at no cost. Within the KNFB Reader section, just point 
and shoot for access to print on-the-go. This beta version is a pre-released, 
advanced development of the app. Your participation and feedback expand the 
amount of testing done, which will help us develop a better product. Note: 
Installing this beta app will overwrite your existing NFB-NEWSLINE mobile app. 
Enjoy NFB-NEWSLINE and KNFB Reader Basic, together!

How to get the app:

First, download the Test Flight app on your device.

Then, on your device, select NFB-NEWSLINE 3.0 Beta by going to this link: 
https://testflight.apple.com/join/zuoVUXFv<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftestflight.apple.com%2Fjoin%2FzuoVUXFv=02%7C01%7C%7C19e0fc53616541714c9808d7000cde1d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636977927578430972=M%2BB8rYSybhDlNbGQ6SCKU1so2RtZVgFoKCB8EyzZ388%3D=0>.
 You'll need your NFB-NEWSLINE login credentials.

Share your feedback or request assistance by sending an email to 
nfbnewsline-...@nfb.org<mailto:nfbnewsline-...@nfb.org> or calling 866-504-7300.

We look forward to your participation and feedback.

National Federation of the Blind | 
nfb.org<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfb.org=02%7C01%7C%7C19e0fc53616541714c9808d7000cde1d%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636977927578440977=u6PSmJF9Kn61I7OJdOIB8ogL5abao1mMDS9DQKq7fFk%3D=0>
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Re: NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta + KNFB Reader Basic

[Arlene]

Judy, the tv schedule is included in the new app.
  - Original Message - 
  From: Judy Holloway 
  To: Richard Turner 
  Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com 
  Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 1:10 PM
  Subject: Re: NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta + KNFB Reader Basic


  Hi. Are the TV program schedules still included with the new beta KNFB 
newsline-online app?

  Thanks.

  Judy

  On Jul 3, 2019 12:55 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:

I've been a Newsline subscriber for many years, but missed that email. 
Thanks to Arlene and Alan for sending it along.
Arlene, you start out on page 4 where you enter your credentials.
At the bottom of the page, is a spot that says page 4 of 4.
You can either do the single finger flick down at that spot to move back or 
do the three finger swipe from left to right to move back eventually to 
Newsline.
A bit different, but great to see they are making KNFB Reader available 
this way and my first scan was pretty good.
Not as good as either Voice Dream Scanner or Voice OCR.
But that is fine.
Later,



Richard 


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On Jul 3, 2019, at 8:47 AM, Alan Lemly  wrote:




  Below is the email Scott White sent out yesterday discussing the Newsline 
and KNFB Reader basic beta. 


  Alan Lemly 


  Sent from my iPhone

  Begin forwarded message:


From: Scott White 
Date: July 2, 2019 at 3:34:09 PM CDT
To: WILLIAM LEMLY 
Subject: NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta + KNFB Reader Basic


Available Now! NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta with KNFB Reader Basic

The National Federation of the Blind is excited to announce that the 
updated NFB-NEWSLINE mobile app beta version is now available to download on 
your iPhones and iPads. Included in the app is the KNFB Reader Basic which 
provides the useful core features at no cost. Within the KNFB Reader section, 
just point and shoot for access to print on-the-go. This beta version is a 
pre-released, advanced development of the app. Your participation and feedback 
expand the amount of testing done, which will help us develop a better product. 
Note: Installing this beta app will overwrite your existing NFB-NEWSLINE mobile 
app. Enjoy NFB-NEWSLINE and KNFB Reader Basic, together!

How to get the app:

First, download the Test Flight app on your device.

Then, on your device, select NFB-NEWSLINE 3.0 Beta by going to this 
link: https://testflight.apple.com/join/zuoVUXFv. You'll need your NFB-NEWSLINE 
login credentials.

Share your feedback or request assistance by sending an email to 
nfbnewsline-...@nfb.org or calling 866-504-7300.

We look forward to your participation and feedback.

National Federation of the Blind | nfb.org | 866-504-7300 | 
nfbnewsl...@nfb.org



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Re: NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta + KNFB Reader Basic

[Judy Holloway]

Hi. Are the TV program schedules still included with the new beta KNFB newsline-online app?
Thanks.
Judy
On Jul 3, 2019 12:55 PM, Richard Turner  wrote:
I've been a Newsline subscriber for many years, but missed that email.
Thanks to Arlene and Alan for sending it along.
Arlene, you start out on page 4 where you enter your credentials.
At the bottom of the page, is a spot that says page 4 of 4.
You can either do the single finger flick down at that spot to move back or do the three finger swipe from left to right to move back eventually to Newsline.
A bit different, but great to see they are making KNFB Reader available this way and my first scan was pretty good.
Not as good as either Voice Dream Scanner or Voice OCR.
But that is fine.
Later,


Richard


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On Jul 3, 2019, at 8:47 AM, Alan Lemly <walemly@gmail.com> wrote:






Below is the email Scott White sent out yesterday discussing the Newsline and KNFB Reader basic beta.


Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:



From: Scott White <swhite@nfb.org>
Date: July 2, 2019 at 3:34:09 PM CDT
To: WILLIAM LEMLY <walemly@gmail.com>
Subject: NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta + KNFB Reader Basic





Available Now! NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta with KNFB Reader Basic
The National Federation of the Blind is excited to announce that the updated NFB-NEWSLINE mobile app beta version is now available to download on your iPhones and iPads. Included in the app is the KNFB Reader Basic which provides the useful core features
 at no cost. Within the KNFB Reader section, just point and shoot for access to print on-the-go. This beta version is a pre-released, advanced development of the app. Your participation and feedback expand the amount of testing done, which will help us develop
 a better product. Note: Installing this beta app will overwrite your existing NFB-NEWSLINE mobile app. Enjoy NFB-NEWSLINE and KNFB Reader Basic, together!
How to get the app:
First, download the Test Flight app on your device.
Then, on your device, select NFB-NEWSLINE 3.0 Beta by going to this link: 
https://testflight.apple.com/join/zuoVUXFv. You'll need your NFB-NEWSLINE login credentials.
Share your feedback or request assistance by sending an email to 
nfbnewsline-ios@nfb.org or calling 866-504-7300.
We look forward to your participation and feedback.
National Federation of the Blind | 
nfb.org | 866-504-7300 | nfbnewsline@nfb.org





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Re: NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta + KNFB Reader Basic

[Richard Turner]

I've been a Newsline subscriber for many years, but missed that email.
Thanks to Arlene and Alan for sending it along.
Arlene, you start out on page 4 where you enter your credentials.
At the bottom of the page, is a spot that says page 4 of 4.
You can either do the single finger flick down at that spot to move back or do 
the three finger swipe from left to right to move back eventually to Newsline.
A bit different, but great to see they are making KNFB Reader available this 
way and my first scan was pretty good.
Not as good as either Voice Dream Scanner or Voice OCR.
But that is fine.
Later,


Richard

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indistinguishable from magic."
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On Jul 3, 2019, at 8:47 AM, Alan Lemly 
mailto:wale...@gmail.com>> wrote:


Below is the email Scott White sent out yesterday discussing the Newsline and 
KNFB Reader basic beta.

Alan Lemly

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

From: Scott White mailto:swh...@nfb.org>>
Date: July 2, 2019 at 3:34:09 PM CDT
To: WILLIAM LEMLY mailto:wale...@gmail.com>>
Subject: NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta + KNFB Reader Basic


Available Now! NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta with KNFB Reader Basic

The National Federation of the Blind is excited to announce that the updated 
NFB-NEWSLINE mobile app beta version is now available to download on your 
iPhones and iPads. Included in the app is the KNFB Reader Basic which provides 
the useful core features at no cost. Within the KNFB Reader section, just point 
and shoot for access to print on-the-go. This beta version is a pre-released, 
advanced development of the app. Your participation and feedback expand the 
amount of testing done, which will help us develop a better product. Note: 
Installing this beta app will overwrite your existing NFB-NEWSLINE mobile app. 
Enjoy NFB-NEWSLINE and KNFB Reader Basic, together!

How to get the app:

First, download the Test Flight app on your device.

Then, on your device, select NFB-NEWSLINE 3.0 Beta by going to this link: 
https://testflight.apple.com/join/zuoVUXFv<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Ftestflight.apple.com%2Fjoin%2FzuoVUXFv=02%7C01%7C%7C3e2bc5dacdb24aa38db508d6ffcdc2d4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636977656529477168=FdHW8FFYZ9e2zrbqdwt%2BksKAHmjhNJYrott7aHzqSDs%3D=0>.
 You'll need your NFB-NEWSLINE login credentials.

Share your feedback or request assistance by sending an email to 
nfbnewsline-...@nfb.org<mailto:nfbnewsline-...@nfb.org> or calling 866-504-7300.

We look forward to your participation and feedback.

National Federation of the Blind | 
nfb.org<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fnfb.org=02%7C01%7C%7C3e2bc5dacdb24aa38db508d6ffcdc2d4%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636977656529497202=W6Nwa7XkauMqH9exZVamX89FCbpfAMNMqc8HkdnRmSQ%3D=0>
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Fwd: NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta + KNFB Reader Basic

[Alan Lemly]

Below is the email Scott White sent out yesterday discussing the Newsline and 
KNFB Reader basic beta.

Alan Lemly 

Sent from my iPhone

Begin forwarded message:

> From: Scott White 
> Date: July 2, 2019 at 3:34:09 PM CDT
> To: WILLIAM LEMLY 
> Subject: NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta + KNFB Reader Basic
> 
> Available Now! NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta with KNFB Reader Basic
> 
> The National Federation of the Blind is excited to announce that the updated 
> NFB-NEWSLINE mobile app beta version is now available to download on your 
> iPhones and iPads. Included in the app is the KNFB Reader Basic which 
> provides the useful core features at no cost. Within the KNFB Reader section, 
> just point and shoot for access to print on-the-go. This beta version is a 
> pre-released, advanced development of the app. Your participation and 
> feedback expand the amount of testing done, which will help us develop a 
> better product. Note: Installing this beta app will overwrite your existing 
> NFB-NEWSLINE mobile app. Enjoy NFB-NEWSLINE and KNFB Reader Basic, together!
> 
> How to get the app:
> 
> First, download the Test Flight app on your device.
> 
> Then, on your device, select NFB-NEWSLINE 3.0 Beta by going to this link: 
> https://testflight.apple.com/join/zuoVUXFv. You'll need your NFB-NEWSLINE 
> login credentials.
> 
> Share your feedback or request assistance by sending an email to 
> nfbnewsline-...@nfb.org or calling 866-504-7300.
> 
> We look forward to your participation and feedback.
> 
> National Federation of the Blind | nfb.org | 866-504-7300 | 
> nfbnewsl...@nfb.org
> 

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Fw: NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta + KNFB Reader Basic

[Arlene]

Richard, yesterday, Both Wayne and I, and a lot of other  newsline members 
received this email from Scott White. 
The message was about the knfb reader and we got the impression that the 
newsline part of the app would be combined with this knfb beta app. We only 
installed it on one of the phones, and it went over the newsline app on the 
phone. What was there was the scanner with no way to get to newsline as well. 
So I gave it a try to get the newsline app again which I was able to get it, 
but when I went back to what just turned out to be an app for scanning  it 
seemed as if it got uninstalled. So here's the message now that I explained 
some of that confusion. I must have deleted the message from Scott White so I 
got the message from Wayne's email.- Original Message - 
From: wayne 
To: arlene 
Sent: Wednesday, July 03, 2019 12:38 PM
Subject: Fw: NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta + KNFB Reader Basic



- Original Message - 
From: Scott White 
To: Curtis W. Greenwood 
Sent: Tuesday, July 02, 2019 12:30 PM
Subject: NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta + KNFB Reader Basic


Available Now! NFB-NEWSLINE Mobile 3.0 Beta with KNFB Reader Basic

The National Federation of the Blind is excited to announce that the updated 
NFB-NEWSLINE mobile app beta version is now available to download on your 
iPhones and iPads. Included in the app is the KNFB Reader Basic which provides 
the useful core features at no cost. Within the KNFB Reader section, just point 
and shoot for access to print on-the-go. This beta version is a pre-released, 
advanced development of the app. Your participation and feedback expand the 
amount of testing done, which will help us develop a better product. Note: 
Installing this beta app will overwrite your existing NFB-NEWSLINE mobile app. 
Enjoy NFB-NEWSLINE and KNFB Reader Basic, together!

How to get the app:

First, download the Test Flight app on your device.

Then, on your device, select NFB-NEWSLINE 3.0 Beta by going to this link: 
https://testflight.apple.com/join/zuoVUXFv. You'll need your NFB-NEWSLINE login 
credentials.

Share your feedback or request assistance by sending an email to 
nfbnewsline-...@nfb.org or calling 866-504-7300.

We look forward to your participation and feedback.

National Federation of the Blind | nfb.org | 866-504-7300 | nfbnewsl...@nfb.org

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Re: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

[Dave]

I would think so, as my friend, had one shipped to australia.

Dave.


From: Mary Otten 
Sent: Saturday, April 06, 2019 1:20 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: Re: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand 
with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

I know there has been a lot of talk about this stand. I was telling somebody in 
Canada about it. And neither of us knows if free matter will ship to Canada 
from the US. Is there a way to get a hold of Thomas to find out if he ships to 
Canada free matter? And also this person has some questions about the stand, 
and the link I had was only for the form. If somebody has an email Address, you 
could send it to me privately if you want.
Mary



Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 5, 2019, at 1:16 PM, 'deidre muccio' via VIPhone 
 wrote:


  The link worked just fine. Thank you. I ordered one. It is inexpensive with 
free matter for the blind shipping as well. 

   

  Deidre

  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
  Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 3:28 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand 
with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

   

   

  Try this link to order the stand. 

  You'll need to write Mr. Wardega about the book reading aid; if you are 
interested but it will not help hold down the corners of a single page. Nothing 
does that as far as I know.

  
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe6QoSaM55RDnt3gsrrnOMpE_5OM1t5U2jfJ4l5-OLjycGLuw/viewform

   

   

   

   

   

  On Apr 5, 2019, at 12:16 PM, 'deidre muccio' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

It was interesting to read the announcement from NFB about KNFB Reader that 
you, or someone else forwarded the list yesterday. The results of this scan are 
indeed the difference between day and night.

I did find that the scan using Scanner benefited greatly 
from the page being as flat as possible, one of the bigger challenges for the 
kind of stuff I typically put down on a variety of surfaces, including flat 
level ones. Pages buckle or curl at the edges and require a weight or a hand to 
hold them flat. 

That brings me around to where to order the Fopydo Stand 
which I swear Amazon used to sell but no longer does. I need that hand to hold 
papers flat.

 

Deidre

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 9:21 AM
To: mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: FW: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand 
with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

 

OK, below are two pages, the first one scanned with KNFB Reader, so it says 
KNFB before the resulting file contents.

The second one is from Voice Dream Scanner, with VDS before the contents of 
the file.

I did both as PDF documents.

Both were done on the Fopydo Scanning Stand.

This was done in my office room in our house with no lights on, so it was 
left to the apps to deal with lighting.

Both had the flash on.

The phone never moved on the stand and the scans were taken about 1 minute 
apart.

 

You be the judge.

 

KNFB april5.pdf

1PageInstructions - 

ImpairedVisuaanlldy Blintdhefor  Stand   Scanning  is   standThe 
visuaalnlyd blindtheforspecificallydesigned 
facIitlitdaetevsicesismimpoiarliarred.

   smartpuhsionngesaloud bookasnddocumenretsading a  andfolded  
deilsiveredstandThe   ReaderK. NFBlike apptext-to-speech of2   pageand
beforereadbe

  shoultdhatinstructionusnfoldingcontains use. firstthethe  place 
stantdhe useTo 

with stantdheof  shelftop theon   device camtehreacenttehreat   cutout  
 half-tchirecle  througdhown facing top theof  ledgteheofbetween 
docuthmeentslide

Then,shelf. 

to app the use and  belowwires  supportread 

are  wiretesxt. Support 

and wire  profile sqauaorefconstructed 90in   placeinto clickis   
profilwe ire   Support intervals.degrees positionfolidned  in-outslidteo
designed

   unfinoldedplaicne statyo and 

device mobtihleeof   weigthhet holtdopositionare  wires when 

be exmteanydewdi.res  Support 

by  stantdhe fromextended readfionrg  inc3hetso up
inteorrnatiolneattleUrS  than largerdocuments 

are  wires when  (defasuizlteA4not 

extebneded shouldwiresexteSnudpedp)o.rt 

placedSymmetripcoaslliytionf.olidned only channweilrse  stantdh'sein
cutouts circular 

the andleft the both  extteond allowequalwlyi.re   supporrigt ht 

 

THEOFILL1U: STRATIOPINCTURE STAND   ISSMARUTSPIEHN.ONE THEON   
PLACED   AND SHELTFOP ARE WIRES  SUPPORTEXTENDED DOCUMENRTESADFIONRG SIZE. 

LETUTSER THAN  LARGER

 

 

VDS

Instructions Page 1  april 5.pdf

Instructions

Re: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

[Richard Turner]

Hi Mr. Ed,
The form is for ordering; if you want to read about it you can go to 
www.fopydo.com<http://www.fopydo.com>
and also www.wardega.com<http://www.wardega.com>
You can write him at i...@fopydo.com<mailto:i...@fopydo.com>
Once you fill out the form, you will get an email with payment instructions.
If you want to order one, anyway.
HTH,
Richard



The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker


On Apr 5, 2019, at 4:54 PM, Mr. Ed 
mailto:pink...@abe.midco.net>> wrote:

Hi Richard,
I went to this link and it wants me to fill out a form. Isn’t there a web site 
to go too?
Mr. Ed

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2019 2:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand 
with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner


Try this link to order the stand.
You'll need to write Mr. Wardega about the book reading aid; if you are 
interested but it will not help hold down the corners of a single page. Nothing 
does that as far as I know.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe6QoSaM55RDnt3gsrrnOMpE_5OM1t5U2jfJ4l5-OLjycGLuw/viewform<https://eur02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fforms%2Fd%2Fe%2F1FAIpQLSe6QoSaM55RDnt3gsrrnOMpE_5OM1t5U2jfJ4l5-OLjycGLuw%2Fviewform=02%7C01%7C%7Ce13d8bb31cda4439ea1408d6ba2214ea%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636901052871215764=%2F8k4LI75ECwUCq2fyNEXZnHYafkXLdmEUQPE%2F8E%2BQxY%3D=0>





On Apr 5, 2019, at 12:16 PM, 'deidre muccio' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
It was interesting to read the announcement from NFB about KNFB Reader that 
you, or someone else forwarded the list yesterday. The results of this scan are 
indeed the difference between day and night.
I did find that the scan using Scanner benefited greatly from 
the page being as flat as possible, one of the bigger challenges for the kind 
of stuff I typically put down on a variety of surfaces, including flat level 
ones. Pages buckle or curl at the edges and require a weight or a hand to hold 
them flat.
That brings me around to where to order the Fopydo Stand which 
I swear Amazon used to sell but no longer does. I need that hand to hold papers 
flat.

Deidre
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: FW: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand 
with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

OK, below are two pages, the first one scanned with KNFB Reader, so it says 
KNFB before the resulting file contents.
The second one is from Voice Dream Scanner, with VDS before the contents of the 
file.
I did both as PDF documents.
Both were done on the Fopydo Scanning Stand.
This was done in my office room in our house with no lights on, so it was left 
to the apps to deal with lighting.
Both had the flash on.
The phone never moved on the stand and the scans were taken about 1 minute 
apart.

You be the judge.

KNFB april5.pdf
1PageInstructions -
ImpairedVisuaanlldy Blintdhefor  Stand   Scanning  is   standThe visuaalnlyd 
blindtheforspecificallydesigned facIitlitdaetevsicesismimpoiarliarred.
   smartpuhsionngesaloud bookasnddocumenretsading a  andfolded  
deilsiveredstandThe   ReaderK. NFBlike apptext-to-speech of2   pageand
beforereadbe
  shoultdhatinstructionusnfoldingcontains use. firstthethe  place 
stantdhe useTo
with stantdheof  shelftop theon   device camtehreacenttehreat   cutout   
half-tchirecle  througdhown facing top theof  ledgteheofbetween 
docuthmeentslide
Then,shelf.
to app the use and  belowwires  supportread
are  wiretesxt. Support
and wire  profile sqauaorefconstructed 90in   placeinto clickis   
profilwe ire   Support intervals.degrees positionfolidned  in-outslidteo
designed
   unfinoldedplaicne statyo and
device mobtihleeof   weigthhet holtdopositionare  wires when
be exmteanydewdi.res  Support
by  stantdhe fromextended readfionrg  inc3hetso up
inteorrnatiolneattleUrS  than largerdocuments
are  wires when  (defasuizlteA4not
extebneded shouldwiresexteSnudpedp)o.rt
placedSymmetripcoaslliytionf.olidned only channweilrse  stantdh'sein
cutouts circular
the andleft the both  extteond allowequalwlyi.re   supporrigt ht

THEOFILL1U: STRATIOPINCTURE STAND   ISSMARUTSPIEHN.ONE THEON   PLACED   
AND SHELTFOP ARE WIRES  SUPPORTEXTENDED DOCUMENRTESADFIONRG SIZE.
LETUTSER THAN  LARGER


VDS
Instructions Page 1  april 5.pdf
Instructions Page 1 - Scanning Stand for the Blind and V

Re: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

[Richard Turner]

Tomek Wardega's email is i...@fopydo.com<mailto:i...@fopydo.com>
Sending it to Canada will be no problem as he has sent one to Australia and I 
think England.
If it were several hundred dollars, there would likely be duty fees, etc.
Later,
Richard



The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker


On Apr 5, 2019, at 5:20 PM, Mary Otten 
mailto:motte...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I know there has been a lot of talk about this stand. I was telling somebody in 
Canada about it. And neither of us knows if free matter will ship to Canada 
from the US. Is there a way to get a hold of Thomas to find out if he ships to 
Canada free matter? And also this person has some questions about the stand, 
and the link I had was only for the form. If somebody has an email Address, you 
could send it to me privately if you want.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

On Apr 5, 2019, at 1:16 PM, 'deidre muccio' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

The link worked just fine. Thank you. I ordered one. It is inexpensive with 
free matter for the blind shipping as well.

Deidre
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 3:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand 
with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner


Try this link to order the stand.
You'll need to write Mr. Wardega about the book reading aid; if you are 
interested but it will not help hold down the corners of a single page. Nothing 
does that as far as I know.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe6QoSaM55RDnt3gsrrnOMpE_5OM1t5U2jfJ4l5-OLjycGLuw/viewform<https://eur03.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdocs.google.com%2Fforms%2Fd%2Fe%2F1FAIpQLSe6QoSaM55RDnt3gsrrnOMpE_5OM1t5U2jfJ4l5-OLjycGLuw%2Fviewform=02%7C01%7C%7Ce49a010b9664474b4fc408d6ba25a8a7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636901068233219310=HmbUJAcW%2BKwjaVu4I7KXXRfE6E7Y9KQCiC2da9VqzOQ%3D=0>





On Apr 5, 2019, at 12:16 PM, 'deidre muccio' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:
It was interesting to read the announcement from NFB about KNFB Reader that 
you, or someone else forwarded the list yesterday. The results of this scan are 
indeed the difference between day and night.
I did find that the scan using Scanner benefited greatly from 
the page being as flat as possible, one of the bigger challenges for the kind 
of stuff I typically put down on a variety of surfaces, including flat level 
ones. Pages buckle or curl at the edges and require a weight or a hand to hold 
them flat.
That brings me around to where to order the Fopydo Stand which 
I swear Amazon used to sell but no longer does. I need that hand to hold papers 
flat.

Deidre
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroupscom<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: FW: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand 
with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

OK, below are two pages, the first one scanned with KNFB Reader, so it says 
KNFB before the resulting file contents.
The second one is from Voice Dream Scanner, with VDS before the contents of the 
file.
I did both as PDF documents.
Both were done on the Fopydo Scanning Stand.
This was done in my office room in our house with no lights on, so it was left 
to the apps to deal with lighting.
Both had the flash on.
The phone never moved on the stand and the scans were taken about 1 minute 
apart.

You be the judge.

KNFB april5.pdf
1PageInstructions -
ImpairedVisuaanlldy Blintdhefor  Stand   Scanning  is   standThe visuaalnlyd 
blindtheforspecificallydesigned facIitlitdaetevsicesismimpoiarliarred.
   smartpuhsionngesaloud bookasnddocumenretsading a  andfolded  
deilsiveredstandThe   ReaderK. NFBlike apptext-to-speech of2   pageand
beforereadbe
  shoultdhatinstructionusnfoldingcontains use. firstthethe  place 
stantdhe useTo
with stantdheof  shelftop theon   device camtehreacenttehreat   cutout   
half-tchirecle  througdhown facing top theof  ledgteheofbetween 
docuthmeentslide
Then,shelf.
to app the use and  belowwires  supportread
are  wiretesxt. Support
and wire  profile sqauaorefconstructed 90in   placeinto clickis   
profilwe ire   Support intervals.degrees positionfolidned  in-outslidteo
designed
   unfinoldedplaicne statyo and
device mobtihleeof   weigthhet holtdopositionare  wires when
be exmteanydewdi.res  Support
by  stantdhe fromextended readfionrg  inc3hetso up
inteorrnatiolneattleUrS  than largerdocuments
are  wires when  (defasuiz

Re: A note from NFB to the KNFB Reader list regarding KNFB Reader in response to all the traffic about Voice Dream Scanner and other apps

[KliphnShari Miller]

> Sounds like a piss poor excuse for a half baked product.  Since voice stream 
> scanner came out, and Prizmo does a way better ob, they are looking for ways 
> to eep customers interested.

> On Apr 4, 2019, at 4:45 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
> any." -- Alice Walker
> 
> 
> Begin forwarded message:
> 
>> From: "Richard Turner" > <mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>>
>> Date: April 4, 2019 at 2:34:36 PM PDT
>> To: "blindpho...@groups.io <mailto:blindpho...@groups.io>" 
>> mailto:blindpho...@groups.io>>
>> Subject: [blindphones] A note from NFB to the KNFB Reader list regarding 
>> KNFB Reader in response to all the traffic about Voice Dream Scanner and 
>> other apps
>> Reply-To: blindpho...@groups.io <mailto:blindpho...@groups.io>
>> 
>> 
>> I thought it was only fair to share what the NFB sent out since the topic 
>> has been covered on several lists.
>> Below is a message from Scott White:
>> Subject: [Reader-users] A note from the National federation of the Blind
>> 
>> Dear List Members,
>> 
>> This is Scott White, Director of Sponsored Technology Programs for the
>> National Federation of the Blind. I want to write to you today to address
>> some of the concerns that have been expressed on the list regarding the
>> performance of the KNFB Reader product and the responsiveness of the
>> customer service. We regret that there is frustration around the product and
>> wish to express the fact that we are listening even if you do not feel you
>> are getting satisfactory information. We hope this note helps address some
>> of the concerns and outlines some of the future steps.
>> 
>> Those of you who attend conventions of the National Federation of the Blind
>> are well aware that the technology behind the KNFB Reader and KNFB Reader
>> Enterprise products are owned by the KNFB Reader LLC which is a wholly owned
>> subsidiary of the National Federation of the Blind. This has been the case
>> since 2015. The KNFB Reader LLC has no intention of selling the technology
>> to anyone and would never do so without public disclosure to the National
>> Federation of the Blind.
>> 
>> The KNFB Reader LLC has a partnership agreement with Sensotec NV to develop,
>> promote, and support the KNFB Reader line of products. This agreement has
>> been in place since 2015 and has never changed. Since 2015, the KNFB Reader
>> LLC has received in-kind support from the National Federation of the Blind.
>> Were it not for that support, the product would have disappeared from the
>> market two years ago. Despite a number of pressures, the National Federation
>> of the Blind has insisted that the price of the KNFB Reader not be raised
>> and has urged steep discounts in the product when opportunities arose to do
>> so.
>> 
>> As you are well aware, a number of new innovations have happened in the
>> marketplace for access to information. This was stimulated by the creation
>> of KNFB Reader, going back to the early part of the century when the
>> National Federation of the Blind and Ray Kurzweil sought to bring scan and
>> read technology to portable devices-first, a dedicated device and later,
>> smart phones. The KNFB Reader LLC has attempted to continue development of
>> the product even though there have been limited dollars for further
>> development. In 2018, the National Federation of the Blind announced that it
>> intended to put the core technology of the KNFB Reader into the NFB-NEWSLINE
>> mobile application and distribute that free to all blind people. That move
>> is a significant investment on behalf of the National Federation of the
>> Blind since it will continue to require development and licensing of
>> technologies to maintain the technical components inside the NFB-NEWSLINE
>> mobile user interface. This also means that the core technology would be
>> freely available to every blind person in the United States.
>> 
>> While the intent has been to continue to maintain a paid version of KNFB
>> Reader, the aggressive development of other products in the marketplace and
>> declining sales of the KNFB Reader product have made it difficult to
>> accelerate progress timelines with our development partner. We recognize
>> that performance improvements are not where our customers would like them to
>> be. We are re-evaluating our strategy and assessing what we can do to make
>> those needed improvements.
>> 
>> For anyone

Re: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

[Mary Otten]

I know there has been a lot of talk about this stand. I was telling somebody in 
Canada about it. And neither of us knows if free matter will ship to Canada 
from the US. Is there a way to get a hold of Thomas to find out if he ships to 
Canada free matter? And also this person has some questions about the stand, 
and the link I had was only for the form. If somebody has an email Address, you 
could send it to me privately if you want.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 5, 2019, at 1:16 PM, 'deidre muccio' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> The link worked just fine. Thank you. I ordered one. It is inexpensive with 
> free matter for the blind shipping as well.
>  
> Deidre
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 3:28 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand 
> with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner
>  
>  
> Try this link to order the stand.
> You'll need to write Mr. Wardega about the book reading aid; if you are 
> interested but it will not help hold down the corners of a single page. 
> Nothing does that as far as I know.
> https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe6QoSaM55RDnt3gsrrnOMpE_5OM1t5U2jfJ4l5-OLjycGLuw/viewform
>  
>  
>  
>  
>  
> On Apr 5, 2019, at 12:16 PM, 'deidre muccio' via VIPhone 
>  wrote:
> 
> It was interesting to read the announcement from NFB about KNFB Reader that 
> you, or someone else forwarded the list yesterday. The results of this scan 
> are indeed the difference between day and night.
> I did find that the scan using Scanner benefited greatly from 
> the page being as flat as possible, one of the bigger challenges for the kind 
> of stuff I typically put down on a variety of surfaces, including flat level 
> ones. Pages buckle or curl at the edges and require a weight or a hand to 
> hold them flat.
> That brings me around to where to order the Fopydo Stand 
> which I swear Amazon used to sell but no longer does. I need that hand to 
> hold papers flat.
>  
> Deidre
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 9:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroupscom
> Subject: FW: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand 
> with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner
>  
> OK, below are two pages, the first one scanned with KNFB Reader, so it says 
> KNFB before the resulting file contents.
> The second one is from Voice Dream Scanner, with VDS before the contents of 
> the file.
> I did both as PDF documents.
> Both were done on the Fopydo Scanning Stand.
> This was done in my office room in our house with no lights on, so it was 
> left to the apps to deal with lighting.
> Both had the flash on.
> The phone never moved on the stand and the scans were taken about 1 minute 
> apart.
>  
> You be the judge.
>  
> KNFB april5.pdf
> 1PageInstructions -
> ImpairedVisuaanlldy Blintdhefor  Stand   Scanning  is   standThe visuaalnlyd 
> blindtheforspecificallydesigned facIitlitdaetevsicesismimpoiarliarred.
>smartpuhsionngesaloud bookasnddocumenretsading a  andfolded  
> deilsiveredstandThe   ReaderK. NFBlike apptext-to-speech of2   pageand
> beforereadbe
>   shoultdhatinstructionusnfoldingcontains use. firstthethe  place 
> stantdhe useTo
> with stantdheof  shelftop theon   device camtehreacenttehreat   cutout   
> half-tchirecle  througdhown facing top theof  ledgteheofbetween 
> docuthmeentslide
> Then,shelf.
> to app the use and  belowwires  supportread
> are  wiretesxt. Support
> and wire  profile sqauaorefconstructed 90in   placeinto clickis   
> profilwe ire   Support intervals.degrees positionfolidned  in-outslidteo
> designed
>unfinoldedplaicne statyo and
> device mobtihleeof   weigthhet holtdopositionare  wires when
> be exmteanydewdi.res  Support
> by  stantdhe fromextended readfionrg  inc3hetso up
> inteorrnatiolneattleUrS  than largerdocuments
> are  wires when  (defasuizlteA4not
> extebneded shouldwiresexteSnudpedp)o.rt
> placedSymmetripcoaslliytionf.olidned only channweilrse  stantdh'sein
> cutouts circular
> the andleft the both  extteond allowequalwlyi.re   supporrigt ht
>  
> THEOFILL1U: STRATIOPINCTURE STAND   ISSMARUTSPIEHN.ONE THEON   PLACED 
>   AND SHELTFOP ARE WIRES  SUPPORTEXTENDED DOCUMENRTESADFIONRG SIZE.
> LETUTSER THAN  LARGER
>  
>  
> VDS
> Instructions Page 1  april 5.pdf
> Instructions Page 1 - Scanning Stand for the Blind and Visually Impaired
> The stand is de

RE: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Richard,

I went to this link and it wants me to fill out a form. Isn’t there a web site 
to go too?

Mr. Ed

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2019 2:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand 
with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

 

 

Try this link to order the stand. 

You'll need to write Mr. Wardega about the book reading aid; if you are 
interested but it will not help hold down the corners of a single page. Nothing 
does that as far as I know.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe6QoSaM55RDnt3gsrrnOMpE_5OM1t5U2jfJ4l5-OLjycGLuw/viewform

 

 

 

 

 

On Apr 5, 2019, at 12:16 PM, 'deidre muccio' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

It was interesting to read the announcement from NFB about KNFB Reader that 
you, or someone else forwarded the list yesterday. The results of this scan are 
indeed the difference between day and night.

I did find that the scan using Scanner benefited greatly from 
the page being as flat as possible, one of the bigger challenges for the kind 
of stuff I typically put down on a variety of surfaces, including flat level 
ones. Pages buckle or curl at the edges and require a weight or a hand to hold 
them flat. 

That brings me around to where to order the Fopydo Stand which 
I swear Amazon used to sell but no longer does. I need that hand to hold papers 
flat.

 

Deidre

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: FW: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand 
with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

 

OK, below are two pages, the first one scanned with KNFB Reader, so it says 
KNFB before the resulting file contents.

The second one is from Voice Dream Scanner, with VDS before the contents of the 
file.

I did both as PDF documents.

Both were done on the Fopydo Scanning Stand.

This was done in my office room in our house with no lights on, so it was left 
to the apps to deal with lighting.

Both had the flash on.

The phone never moved on the stand and the scans were taken about 1 minute 
apart.

 

You be the judge.

 

KNFB april5.pdf

1PageInstructions - 

ImpairedVisuaanlldy Blintdhefor  Stand   Scanning  is   standThe visuaalnlyd 
blindtheforspecificallydesigned facIitlitdaetevsicesismimpoiarliarred.

   smartpuhsionngesaloud bookasnddocumenretsading a  andfolded  
deilsiveredstandThe   ReaderK. NFBlike apptext-to-speech of2   pageand
beforereadbe

  shoultdhatinstructionusnfoldingcontains use. firstthethe  place 
stantdhe useTo 

with stantdheof  shelftop theon   device camtehreacenttehreat   cutout   
half-tchirecle  througdhown facing top theof  ledgteheofbetween 
docuthmeentslide

Then,shelf. 

to app the use and  belowwires  supportread 

are  wiretesxt. Support 

and wire  profile sqauaorefconstructed 90in   placeinto clickis   
profilwe ire   Support intervals.degrees positionfolidned  in-outslidteo
designed

   unfinoldedplaicne statyo and 

device mobtihleeof   weigthhet holtdopositionare  wires when 

be exmteanydewdi.res  Support 

by  stantdhe fromextended readfionrg  inc3hetso up
inteorrnatiolneattleUrS  than largerdocuments 

are  wires when  (defasuizlteA4not 

extebneded shouldwiresexteSnudpedp)o.rt 

placedSymmetripcoaslliytionf.olidned only channweilrse  stantdh'sein
cutouts circular 

the andleft the both  extteond allowequalwlyi.re   supporrigt ht 

 

THEOFILL1U: STRATIOPINCTURE STAND   ISSMARUTSPIEHN.ONE THEON   PLACED   
AND SHELTFOP ARE WIRES  SUPPORTEXTENDED DOCUMENRTESADFIONRG SIZE. 

LETUTSER THAN  LARGER

 

 

VDS

Instructions Page 1  april 5.pdf

Instructions Page 1 - Scanning Stand for the Blind and Visually Impaired 

The stand is designed specifically for the blind and visually impaired. It 
facilitates 

reading documents and books aloud using smartphones or similar devices and a 
text-to-speech app like KNFB Reader. The stand is delivered folded and page

2 of 

contains unfolding instructions that should be read before the first use. 

To use the stand place the device on the top shelf of the stand with the camera 

facing down through the half-circle cutout at the center of the ledge of the 
top 

shelf. Then, slide the document between support wires below and use the app to 

read text. 

Support wires are constructed of a square profile wire and click into place in 
90 

degrees intervals. Support wire profile is designed to slide in-out in folded 
position 

and to stay in place in unfolded position to hold the weight of the mobile 
device 

when wires are extended. 

Support wires may be extended from the stand by up to 3 inches for reading 

documents larger than US letter

RE: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

['deidre muccio' via VIPhone]

I meant to write plexiglass. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Kay Malmquist
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 5:25 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand 
with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

 

Fiber glass won't do you much good as you can not see through it.  On the other 
hand, plexaglass would be fine.

 

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

 

Till we speak again,
may the warm winds of Heaven 
blow softly upon your house,
may the great spirit bless all who enter there,
may your moccasins make happy tracks in many snows,
And may the rainbow always touch your shoulder. 

- Original Message - 

From: 'deidre muccio' via VIPhone <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  

To: viphone@googlegroups.com 

Sent: Friday, April 05, 2019 2:30 PM

Subject: RE: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand 
with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

 

Other than a piece of clear glass or fiberglass!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 3:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand 
with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

 

 

Try this link to order the stand. 

You'll need to write Mr. Wardega about the book reading aid; if you are 
interested but it will not help hold down the corners of a single page. Nothing 
does that as far as I know.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe6QoSaM55RDnt3gsrrnOMpE_5OM1t5U2jfJ4l5-OLjycGLuw/viewform

 

 

 

 

 

On Apr 5, 2019, at 12:16 PM, 'deidre muccio' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

It was interesting to read the announcement from NFB about KNFB Reader that 
you, or someone else forwarded the list yesterday. The results of this scan are 
indeed the difference between day and night.

I did find that the scan using Scanner benefited greatly from 
the page being as flat as possible, one of the bigger challenges for the kind 
of stuff I typically put down on a variety of surfaces, including flat level 
ones. Pages buckle or curl at the edges and require a weight or a hand to hold 
them flat. 

That brings me around to where to order the Fopydo Stand which 
I swear Amazon used to sell but no longer does. I need that hand to hold papers 
flat.

 

Deidre

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroupscom <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: FW: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand 
with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

 

OK, below are two pages, the first one scanned with KNFB Reader, so it says 
KNFB before the resulting file contents.

The second one is from Voice Dream Scanner, with VDS before the contents of the 
file.

I did both as PDF documents.

Both were done on the Fopydo Scanning Stand.

This was done in my office room in our house with no lights on, so it was left 
to the apps to deal with lighting.

Both had the flash on.

The phone never moved on the stand and the scans were taken about 1 minute 
apart.

 

You be the judge.

 

KNFB april5.pdf

1PageInstructions - 

ImpairedVisuaanlldy Blintdhefor  Stand   Scanning  is   standThe visuaalnlyd 
blindtheforspecificallydesigned facIitlitdaetevsicesismimpoiarliarred.

   smartpuhsionngesaloud bookasnddocumenretsading a  andfolded  
deilsiveredstandThe   ReaderK. NFBlike apptext-to-speech of2   pageand
beforereadbe

  shoultdhatinstructionusnfoldingcontains use. firstthethe  place 
stantdhe useTo 

with stantdheof  shelftop theon   device camtehreacenttehreat   cutout   
half-tchirecle  througdhown facing top theof  ledgteheofbetween 
docuthmeentslide

Then,shelf. 

to app the use and  belowwires  supportread 

are  wiretesxt. Support 

and wire  profile sqauaorefconstructed 90in   placeinto clickis   
profilwe ire   Support intervals.degrees positionfolidned  in-outslidteo
designed

   unfinoldedplaicne statyo and 

device mobtihleeof   weigthhet holtdopositionare  wires when 

be exmteanydewdi.res  Support 

by  stantdhe fromextended readfionrg  inc3hetso up
inteorrnatiolneattleUrS  than largerdocuments 

are  wires when  (defasuizlteA4not 

extebneded shouldwiresexteSnudpedp)o.rt 

placedSymmetripcoaslliytionf.olidned only channweilrse  stantdh'sein
cutouts circular 

the andleft the both  extteond allowequalwlyi.re   supporrigt ht 

 

THEOFILL1U: STRATIOPINCTURE STAND   ISSMARUTSPIEHN.ONE THEON   PLACED   
AND SHELTFOP ARE WIRES  SUPPORTEXTENDED DOCUMENRTESADFIONRG SIZE. 

LETUTSER THAN  LARGER

 

 

VDS

Instructions Page 1  april 5.pdf

Instructions Page 1 - Scanning Stand for the Blind and Visually Impaired 

The stand

Re: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

[Kay Malmquist]

Fiber glass won't do you much good as you can not see through it.  On the 
other hand, plexaglass would be fine.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

Till we speak again,
may the warm winds of Heaven
blow softly upon your house,
may the great spirit bless all who enter there,
may your moccasins make happy tracks in many snows,
And may the rainbow always touch your shoulder.
  - Original Message - 
  From: 'deidre muccio' via VIPhone
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Sent: Friday, April 05, 2019 2:30 PM
  Subject: RE: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo 
Stand with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner


  Other than a piece of clear glass or fiberglass!



  From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
Of Richard Turner
  Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 3:28 PM
  To: viphone@googlegroups.com
  Subject: Re: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo 
Stand with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner





  Try this link to order the stand.

  You'll need to write Mr. Wardega about the book reading aid; if you are 
interested but it will not help hold down the corners of a single page. 
Nothing does that as far as I know.

  
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe6QoSaM55RDnt3gsrrnOMpE_5OM1t5U2jfJ4l5-OLjycGLuw/viewform











  On Apr 5, 2019, at 12:16 PM, 'deidre muccio' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

It was interesting to read the announcement from NFB about KNFB Reader 
that you, or someone else forwarded the list yesterday. The results of this 
scan are indeed the difference between day and night.

I did find that the scan using Scanner benefited greatly 
from the page being as flat as possible, one of the bigger challenges for 
the kind of stuff I typically put down on a variety of surfaces, including 
flat level ones. Pages buckle or curl at the edges and require a weight or a 
hand to hold them flat.

That brings me around to where to order the Fopydo Stand 
which I swear Amazon used to sell but no longer does. I need that hand to 
hold papers flat.



Deidre

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On 
Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroupscom
Subject: FW: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo 
Stand with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner



OK, below are two pages, the first one scanned with KNFB Reader, so it 
says KNFB before the resulting file contents.

The second one is from Voice Dream Scanner, with VDS before the contents 
of the file.

I did both as PDF documents.

Both were done on the Fopydo Scanning Stand.

This was done in my office room in our house with no lights on, so it 
was left to the apps to deal with lighting.

Both had the flash on.

The phone never moved on the stand and the scans were taken about 1 
minute apart.



You be the judge.



KNFB april5.pdf

1PageInstructions -

ImpairedVisuaanlldy Blintdhefor  Stand   Scanning  is   standThe 
visuaalnlyd blindtheforspecificallydesigned 
facIitlitdaetevsicesismimpoiarliarred.

   smartpuhsionngesaloud bookasnddocumenretsading a  andfolded 
deilsiveredstandThe   ReaderK. NFBlike apptext-to-speech of2   pageand 
beforereadbe

  shoultdhatinstructionusnfoldingcontains use. firstthethe 
place stantdhe useTo

with stantdheof  shelftop theon   device camtehreacenttehreat 
cutout   half-tchirecle  througdhown facing top theof  ledgteheofbetween 
docuthmeentslide

Then,shelf.

to app the use and  belowwires  supportread

are  wiretesxt. Support

and wire  profile sqauaorefconstructed 90in   placeinto clickis 
profilwe ire   Support intervals.degrees positionfolidned  in-outslidteo 
designed

   unfinoldedplaicne statyo and

device mobtihleeof   weigthhet holtdopositionare  wires when

be exmteanydewdi.res  Support

by  stantdhe fromextended readfionrg  inc3hetso up 
inteorrnatiolneattleUrS  than largerdocuments

are  wires when  (defasuizlteA4not

extebneded shouldwiresexteSnudpedp)o.rt

placedSymmetripcoaslliytionf.olidned only channweilrse  stantdh'sein 
cutouts circular

the andleft the both  extteond allowequalwlyi.re   supporrigt ht



THEOFILL1U: STRATIOPINCTURE STAND   ISSMARUTSPIEHN.ONE THEON 
PLACED   AND SHELTFOP ARE WIRES  SUPPORTEXTENDED DOCUMENRTESADFIONRG 
SIZE.

LETUTSER THAN  LARGER





VDS

Instructions Page 1  april 5.pdf

Instructions Page 1 - Scanning Stand for the Blind and Visually Impaired

The stand is designed specifically for the blind and visually impaired. 
It facilitates

reading documents and books aloud using smartphones or similar devices 
and a text-to-speech app like KNFB Reader. The stand is delivered folded and 
page

2 of

contains unfolding

RE: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

['deidre muccio' via VIPhone]

The link worked just fine. Thank you. I ordered one. It is inexpensive with 
free matter for the blind shipping as well. 

 

Deidre

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 3:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand 
with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

 

 

Try this link to order the stand. 

You'll need to write Mr. Wardega about the book reading aid; if you are 
interested but it will not help hold down the corners of a single page. Nothing 
does that as far as I know.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe6QoSaM55RDnt3gsrrnOMpE_5OM1t5U2jfJ4l5-OLjycGLuw/viewform

 

 

 

 

 

On Apr 5, 2019, at 12:16 PM, 'deidre muccio' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

It was interesting to read the announcement from NFB about KNFB Reader that 
you, or someone else forwarded the list yesterday. The results of this scan are 
indeed the difference between day and night.

I did find that the scan using Scanner benefited greatly from 
the page being as flat as possible, one of the bigger challenges for the kind 
of stuff I typically put down on a variety of surfaces, including flat level 
ones. Pages buckle or curl at the edges and require a weight or a hand to hold 
them flat. 

That brings me around to where to order the Fopydo Stand which 
I swear Amazon used to sell but no longer does. I need that hand to hold papers 
flat.

 

Deidre

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroupscom <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: FW: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand 
with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

 

OK, below are two pages, the first one scanned with KNFB Reader, so it says 
KNFB before the resulting file contents.

The second one is from Voice Dream Scanner, with VDS before the contents of the 
file.

I did both as PDF documents.

Both were done on the Fopydo Scanning Stand.

This was done in my office room in our house with no lights on, so it was left 
to the apps to deal with lighting.

Both had the flash on.

The phone never moved on the stand and the scans were taken about 1 minute 
apart.

 

You be the judge.

 

KNFB april5.pdf

1PageInstructions - 

ImpairedVisuaanlldy Blintdhefor  Stand   Scanning  is   standThe visuaalnlyd 
blindtheforspecificallydesigned facIitlitdaetevsicesismimpoiarliarred.

   smartpuhsionngesaloud bookasnddocumenretsading a  andfolded  
deilsiveredstandThe   ReaderK. NFBlike apptext-to-speech of2   pageand
beforereadbe

  shoultdhatinstructionusnfoldingcontains use. firstthethe  place 
stantdhe useTo 

with stantdheof  shelftop theon   device camtehreacenttehreat   cutout   
half-tchirecle  througdhown facing top theof  ledgteheofbetween 
docuthmeentslide

Then,shelf. 

to app the use and  belowwires  supportread 

are  wiretesxt. Support 

and wire  profile sqauaorefconstructed 90in   placeinto clickis   
profilwe ire   Support intervals.degrees positionfolidned  in-outslidteo
designed

   unfinoldedplaicne statyo and 

device mobtihleeof   weigthhet holtdopositionare  wires when 

be exmteanydewdi.res  Support 

by  stantdhe fromextended readfionrg  inc3hetso up
inteorrnatiolneattleUrS  than largerdocuments 

are  wires when  (defasuizlteA4not 

extebneded shouldwiresexteSnudpedp)o.rt 

placedSymmetripcoaslliytionf.olidned only channweilrse  stantdh'sein
cutouts circular 

the andleft the both  extteond allowequalwlyi.re   supporrigt ht 

 

THEOFILL1U: STRATIOPINCTURE STAND   ISSMARUTSPIEHN.ONE THEON   PLACED   
AND SHELTFOP ARE WIRES  SUPPORTEXTENDED DOCUMENRTESADFIONRG SIZE. 

LETUTSER THAN  LARGER

 

 

VDS

Instructions Page 1  april 5.pdf

Instructions Page 1 - Scanning Stand for the Blind and Visually Impaired 

The stand is designed specifically for the blind and visually impaired. It 
facilitates 

reading documents and books aloud using smartphones or similar devices and a 
text-to-speech app like KNFB Reader. The stand is delivered folded and page

2 of 

contains unfolding instructions that should be read before the first use. 

To use the stand place the device on the top shelf of the stand with the camera 

facing down through the half-circle cutout at the center of the ledge of the 
top 

shelf. Then, slide the document between support wires below and use the app to 

read text. 

Support wires are constructed of a square profile wire and click into place in 
90 

degrees intervals. Support wire profile is designed to slide in-out in folded 
position 

and to stay in place in unfolded position to hold the weight of the mobile 
device 

when wires are extended. 

Support wires may be extended from the stand by up to 3 

RE: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

['deidre muccio' via VIPhone]

Other than a piece of clear glass or fiberglass!

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 3:28 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand 
with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

 

 

Try this link to order the stand. 

You'll need to write Mr. Wardega about the book reading aid; if you are 
interested but it will not help hold down the corners of a single page. Nothing 
does that as far as I know.

https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe6QoSaM55RDnt3gsrrnOMpE_5OM1t5U2jfJ4l5-OLjycGLuw/viewform

 

 

 

 

 

On Apr 5, 2019, at 12:16 PM, 'deidre muccio' via VIPhone 
 wrote:

It was interesting to read the announcement from NFB about KNFB Reader that 
you, or someone else forwarded the list yesterday. The results of this scan are 
indeed the difference between day and night.

I did find that the scan using Scanner benefited greatly from 
the page being as flat as possible, one of the bigger challenges for the kind 
of stuff I typically put down on a variety of surfaces, including flat level 
ones. Pages buckle or curl at the edges and require a weight or a hand to hold 
them flat. 

That brings me around to where to order the Fopydo Stand which 
I swear Amazon used to sell but no longer does. I need that hand to hold papers 
flat.

 

Deidre

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroupscom <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: FW: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand 
with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

 

OK, below are two pages, the first one scanned with KNFB Reader, so it says 
KNFB before the resulting file contents.

The second one is from Voice Dream Scanner, with VDS before the contents of the 
file.

I did both as PDF documents.

Both were done on the Fopydo Scanning Stand.

This was done in my office room in our house with no lights on, so it was left 
to the apps to deal with lighting.

Both had the flash on.

The phone never moved on the stand and the scans were taken about 1 minute 
apart.

 

You be the judge.

 

KNFB april5.pdf

1PageInstructions - 

ImpairedVisuaanlldy Blintdhefor  Stand   Scanning  is   standThe visuaalnlyd 
blindtheforspecificallydesigned facIitlitdaetevsicesismimpoiarliarred.

   smartpuhsionngesaloud bookasnddocumenretsading a  andfolded  
deilsiveredstandThe   ReaderK. NFBlike apptext-to-speech of2   pageand
beforereadbe

  shoultdhatinstructionusnfoldingcontains use. firstthethe  place 
stantdhe useTo 

with stantdheof  shelftop theon   device camtehreacenttehreat   cutout   
half-tchirecle  througdhown facing top theof  ledgteheofbetween 
docuthmeentslide

Then,shelf. 

to app the use and  belowwires  supportread 

are  wiretesxt. Support 

and wire  profile sqauaorefconstructed 90in   placeinto clickis   
profilwe ire   Support intervals.degrees positionfolidned  in-outslidteo
designed

   unfinoldedplaicne statyo and 

device mobtihleeof   weigthhet holtdopositionare  wires when 

be exmteanydewdi.res  Support 

by  stantdhe fromextended readfionrg  inc3hetso up
inteorrnatiolneattleUrS  than largerdocuments 

are  wires when  (defasuizlteA4not 

extebneded shouldwiresexteSnudpedp)o.rt 

placedSymmetripcoaslliytionf.olidned only channweilrse  stantdh'sein
cutouts circular 

the andleft the both  extteond allowequalwlyi.re   supporrigt ht 

 

THEOFILL1U: STRATIOPINCTURE STAND   ISSMARUTSPIEHN.ONE THEON   PLACED   
AND SHELTFOP ARE WIRES  SUPPORTEXTENDED DOCUMENRTESADFIONRG SIZE. 

LETUTSER THAN  LARGER

 

 

VDS

Instructions Page 1  april 5.pdf

Instructions Page 1 - Scanning Stand for the Blind and Visually Impaired 

The stand is designed specifically for the blind and visually impaired. It 
facilitates 

reading documents and books aloud using smartphones or similar devices and a 
text-to-speech app like KNFB Reader. The stand is delivered folded and page

2 of 

contains unfolding instructions that should be read before the first use. 

To use the stand place the device on the top shelf of the stand with the camera 

facing down through the half-circle cutout at the center of the ledge of the 
top 

shelf. Then, slide the document between support wires below and use the app to 

read text. 

Support wires are constructed of a square profile wire and click into place in 
90 

degrees intervals. Support wire profile is designed to slide in-out in folded 
position 

and to stay in place in unfolded position to hold the weight of the mobile 
device 

when wires are extended. 

Support wires may be extended from the stand by up to 3 inches for reading 

documents larger than US letter or international A4 size (defaul

Re: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

[Richard Turner]

Try this link to order the stand.
You'll need to write Mr. Wardega about the book reading aid; if you are 
interested but it will not help hold down the corners of a single page. Nothing 
does that as far as I know.
https://docs.google.com/forms/d/e/1FAIpQLSe6QoSaM55RDnt3gsrrnOMpE_5OM1t5U2jfJ4l5-OLjycGLuw/viewform





On Apr 5, 2019, at 12:16 PM, 'deidre muccio' via VIPhone 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> wrote:

It was interesting to read the announcement from NFB about KNFB Reader that 
you, or someone else forwarded the list yesterday. The results of this scan are 
indeed the difference between day and night.
I did find that the scan using Scanner benefited greatly from 
the page being as flat as possible, one of the bigger challenges for the kind 
of stuff I typically put down on a variety of surfaces, including flat level 
ones. Pages buckle or curl at the edges and require a weight or a hand to hold 
them flat.
That brings me around to where to order the Fopydo Stand which 
I swear Amazon used to sell but no longer does. I need that hand to hold papers 
flat.

Deidre
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: FW: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand 
with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

OK, below are two pages, the first one scanned with KNFB Reader, so it says 
KNFB before the resulting file contents.
The second one is from Voice Dream Scanner, with VDS before the contents of the 
file.
I did both as PDF documents.
Both were done on the Fopydo Scanning Stand.
This was done in my office room in our house with no lights on, so it was left 
to the apps to deal with lighting.
Both had the flash on.
The phone never moved on the stand and the scans were taken about 1 minute 
apart.

You be the judge.

KNFB april5.pdf
1PageInstructions -
ImpairedVisuaanlldy Blintdhefor  Stand   Scanning  is   standThe visuaalnlyd 
blindtheforspecificallydesigned facIitlitdaetevsicesismimpoiarliarred.
   smartpuhsionngesaloud bookasnddocumenretsading a  andfolded  
deilsiveredstandThe   ReaderK. NFBlike apptext-to-speech of2   pageand
beforereadbe
  shoultdhatinstructionusnfoldingcontains use. firstthethe  place 
stantdhe useTo
with stantdheof  shelftop theon   device camtehreacenttehreat   cutout   
half-tchirecle  througdhown facing top theof  ledgteheofbetween 
docuthmeentslide
Then,shelf.
to app the use and  belowwires  supportread
are  wiretesxt. Support
and wire  profile sqauaorefconstructed 90in   placeinto clickis   
profilwe ire   Support intervals.degrees positionfolidned  in-outslidteo
designed
   unfinoldedplaicne statyo and
device mobtihleeof   weigthhet holtdopositionare  wires when
be exmteanydewdi.res  Support
by  stantdhe fromextended readfionrg  inc3hetso up
inteorrnatiolneattleUrS  than largerdocuments
are  wires when  (defasuizlteA4not
extebneded shouldwiresexteSnudpedp)o.rt
placedSymmetripcoaslliytionf.olidned only channweilrse  stantdh'sein
cutouts circular
the andleft the both  extteond allowequalwlyi.re   supporrigt ht

THEOFILL1U: STRATIOPINCTURE STAND   ISSMARUTSPIEHN.ONE THEON   PLACED   
AND SHELTFOP ARE WIRES  SUPPORTEXTENDED DOCUMENRTESADFIONRG SIZE.
LETUTSER THAN  LARGER


VDS
Instructions Page 1  april 5.pdf
Instructions Page 1 - Scanning Stand for the Blind and Visually Impaired
The stand is designed specifically for the blind and visually impaired. It 
facilitates
reading documents and books aloud using smartphones or similar devices and a 
text-to-speech app like KNFB Reader. The stand is delivered folded and page
2 of
contains unfolding instructions that should be read before the first use.
To use the stand place the device on the top shelf of the stand with the camera
facing down through the half-circle cutout at the center of the ledge of the top
shelf. Then, slide the document between support wires below and use the app to
read text.
Support wires are constructed of a square profile wire and click into place in 
90
degrees intervals. Support wire profile is designed to slide in-out in folded 
position
and to stay in place in unfolded position to hold the weight of the mobile 
device
when wires are extended.
Support wires may be extended from the stand by up to 3 inches for reading
documents larger than US letter or international A4 size (default when wires are
not extended).
Support wires should be extended only in folded position. Symmetrically placed
circular cutouts in the stand's wire channels allow to extend both the left and 
the
right support wire equally.

,

PICTURE 1: ILLUSTRATION OF THE STAND
IN USE. SMARTPHONE IS PLACED ON THE
TOP SHELF AND SUPPORT WIRES ARE
EXTENDED FOR READING DOCUMENTS
LAR

Re: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

[Evan Reese]

Wow! Day and night is a good description of the contrast between these samples.
Thanks for sending them.
Evan


From: 'deidre muccio' via VIPhone 
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2019 3:16 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com 
Subject: RE: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand 
with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

It was interesting to read the announcement from NFB about KNFB Reader that 
you, or someone else forwarded the list yesterday. The results of this scan are 
indeed the difference between day and night.

I did find that the scan using Scanner benefited greatly from 
the page being as flat as possible, one of the bigger challenges for the kind 
of stuff I typically put down on a variety of surfaces, including flat level 
ones. Pages buckle or curl at the edges and require a weight or a hand to hold 
them flat. 

That brings me around to where to order the Fopydo Stand which 
I swear Amazon used to sell but no longer does. I need that hand to hold papers 
flat.

 

Deidre

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: FW: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand 
with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

 

OK, below are two pages, the first one scanned with KNFB Reader, so it says 
KNFB before the resulting file contents.

The second one is from Voice Dream Scanner, with VDS before the contents of the 
file.

I did both as PDF documents.

Both were done on the Fopydo Scanning Stand.

This was done in my office room in our house with no lights on, so it was left 
to the apps to deal with lighting.

Both had the flash on.

The phone never moved on the stand and the scans were taken about 1 minute 
apart.

 

You be the judge.

 

KNFB april5.pdf

1PageInstructions - 

ImpairedVisuaanlldy Blintdhefor  Stand   Scanning  is   standThe visuaalnlyd 
blindtheforspecificallydesigned facIitlitdaetevsicesismimpoiarliarred.

   smartpuhsionngesaloud bookasnddocumenretsading a  andfolded  
deilsiveredstandThe   ReaderK. NFBlike apptext-to-speech of2   pageand
beforereadbe

  shoultdhatinstructionusnfoldingcontains use. firstthethe  place 
stantdhe useTo 

with stantdheof  shelftop theon   device camtehreacenttehreat   cutout   
half-tchirecle  througdhown facing top theof  ledgteheofbetween 
docuthmeentslide

Then,shelf. 

to app the use and  belowwires  supportread 

are  wiretesxt. Support 

and wire  profile sqauaorefconstructed 90in   placeinto clickis   
profilwe ire   Support intervals.degrees positionfolidned  in-outslidteo
designed

   unfinoldedplaicne statyo and 

device mobtihleeof   weigthhet holtdopositionare  wires when 

be exmteanydewdi.res  Support 

by  stantdhe fromextended readfionrg  inc3hetso up
inteorrnatiolneattleUrS  than largerdocuments 

are  wires when  (defasuizlteA4not 

extebneded shouldwiresexteSnudpedp)o.rt 

placedSymmetripcoaslliytionf.olidned only channweilrse  stantdh'sein
cutouts circular 

the andleft the both  extteond allowequalwlyi.re   supporrigt ht 

 

THEOFILL1U: STRATIOPINCTURE STAND   ISSMARUTSPIEHN.ONE THEON   PLACED   
AND SHELTFOP ARE WIRES  SUPPORTEXTENDED DOCUMENRTESADFIONRG SIZE. 

LETUTSER THAN  LARGER

 

 

VDS

Instructions Page 1  april 5.pdf

Instructions Page 1 - Scanning Stand for the Blind and Visually Impaired 

The stand is designed specifically for the blind and visually impaired. It 
facilitates 

reading documents and books aloud using smartphones or similar devices and a 
text-to-speech app like KNFB Reader. The stand is delivered folded and page

2 of 

contains unfolding instructions that should be read before the first use. 

To use the stand place the device on the top shelf of the stand with the camera 

facing down through the half-circle cutout at the center of the ledge of the 
top 

shelf. Then, slide the document between support wires below and use the app to 

read text. 

Support wires are constructed of a square profile wire and click into place in 
90 

degrees intervals. Support wire profile is designed to slide in-out in folded 
position 

and to stay in place in unfolded position to hold the weight of the mobile 
device 

when wires are extended. 

Support wires may be extended from the stand by up to 3 inches for reading 

documents larger than US letter or international A4 size (default when wires 
are 

not extended). 

Support wires should be extended only in folded position. Symmetrically placed 

circular cutouts in the stand's wire channels allow to extend both the left and 
the 

right support wire equally. 

 

, 

 

PICTURE 1: ILLUSTRATION OF THE STAND 

IN USE. SMARTPHONE IS PLACED ON THE 

TOP SHELF AND SUPPORT WIRES ARE 

EXTENDED FOR READING DOCUMENTS 

LARGER THAN US LETTER SIZE.

 

-- 
The following information

RE: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

['deidre muccio' via VIPhone]

It was interesting to read the announcement from NFB about KNFB Reader that 
you, or someone else forwarded the list yesterday. The results of this scan are 
indeed the difference between day and night.

I did find that the scan using Scanner benefited greatly from 
the page being as flat as possible, one of the bigger challenges for the kind 
of stuff I typically put down on a variety of surfaces, including flat level 
ones. Pages buckle or curl at the edges and require a weight or a hand to hold 
them flat. 

That brings me around to where to order the Fopydo Stand which 
I swear Amazon used to sell but no longer does. I need that hand to hold papers 
flat.

 

Deidre

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: FW: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand 
with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

 

OK, below are two pages, the first one scanned with KNFB Reader, so it says 
KNFB before the resulting file contents.

The second one is from Voice Dream Scanner, with VDS before the contents of the 
file.

I did both as PDF documents.

Both were done on the Fopydo Scanning Stand.

This was done in my office room in our house with no lights on, so it was left 
to the apps to deal with lighting.

Both had the flash on.

The phone never moved on the stand and the scans were taken about 1 minute 
apart.

 

You be the judge.

 

KNFB april5.pdf

1PageInstructions - 

ImpairedVisuaanlldy Blintdhefor  Stand   Scanning  is   standThe visuaalnlyd 
blindtheforspecificallydesigned facIitlitdaetevsicesismimpoiarliarred.

   smartpuhsionngesaloud bookasnddocumenretsading a  andfolded  
deilsiveredstandThe   ReaderK. NFBlike apptext-to-speech of2   pageand
beforereadbe

  shoultdhatinstructionusnfoldingcontains use. firstthethe  place 
stantdhe useTo 

with stantdheof  shelftop theon   device camtehreacenttehreat   cutout   
half-tchirecle  througdhown facing top theof  ledgteheofbetween 
docuthmeentslide

Then,shelf. 

to app the use and  belowwires  supportread 

are  wiretesxt. Support 

and wire  profile sqauaorefconstructed 90in   placeinto clickis   
profilwe ire   Support intervals.degrees positionfolidned  in-outslidteo
designed

   unfinoldedplaicne statyo and 

device mobtihleeof   weigthhet holtdopositionare  wires when 

be exmteanydewdi.res  Support 

by  stantdhe fromextended readfionrg  inc3hetso up
inteorrnatiolneattleUrS  than largerdocuments 

are  wires when  (defasuizlteA4not 

extebneded shouldwiresexteSnudpedp)o.rt 

placedSymmetripcoaslliytionf.olidned only channweilrse  stantdh'sein
cutouts circular 

the andleft the both  extteond allowequalwlyi.re   supporrigt ht 

 

THEOFILL1U: STRATIOPINCTURE STAND   ISSMARUTSPIEHN.ONE THEON   PLACED   
AND SHELTFOP ARE WIRES  SUPPORTEXTENDED DOCUMENRTESADFIONRG SIZE. 

LETUTSER THAN  LARGER

 

 

VDS

Instructions Page 1  april 5.pdf

Instructions Page 1 - Scanning Stand for the Blind and Visually Impaired 

The stand is designed specifically for the blind and visually impaired. It 
facilitates 

reading documents and books aloud using smartphones or similar devices and a 
text-to-speech app like KNFB Reader. The stand is delivered folded and page

2 of 

contains unfolding instructions that should be read before the first use. 

To use the stand place the device on the top shelf of the stand with the camera 

facing down through the half-circle cutout at the center of the ledge of the 
top 

shelf. Then, slide the document between support wires below and use the app to 

read text. 

Support wires are constructed of a square profile wire and click into place in 
90 

degrees intervals. Support wire profile is designed to slide in-out in folded 
position 

and to stay in place in unfolded position to hold the weight of the mobile 
device 

when wires are extended. 

Support wires may be extended from the stand by up to 3 inches for reading 

documents larger than US letter or international A4 size (default when wires 
are 

not extended). 

Support wires should be extended only in folded position. Symmetrically placed 

circular cutouts in the stand's wire channels allow to extend both the left and 
the 

right support wire equally. 

 

, 

 

PICTURE 1: ILLUSTRATION OF THE STAND 

IN USE. SMARTPHONE IS PLACED ON THE 

TOP SHELF AND SUPPORT WIRES ARE 

EXTENDED FOR READING DOCUMENTS 

LARGER THAN US LETTER SIZE.

 

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RE: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

[Laury, Shawnese (LARA)]

WOW!!! These look like 2 totally different documents. The KNFB version is 
riddled with misspelled words.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, April 5, 2019 9:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: FW: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand 
with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

OK, below are two pages, the first one scanned with KNFB Reader, so it says 
KNFB before the resulting file contents.
The second one is from Voice Dream Scanner, with VDS before the contents of the 
file.
I did both as PDF documents.
Both were done on the Fopydo Scanning Stand.
This was done in my office room in our house with no lights on, so it was left 
to the apps to deal with lighting.
Both had the flash on.
The phone never moved on the stand and the scans were taken about 1 minute 
apart.

You be the judge.

KNFB april5.pdf
1PageInstructions -
ImpairedVisuaanlldy Blintdhefor  Stand   Scanning  is   standThe visuaalnlyd 
blindtheforspecificallydesigned facIitlitdaetevsicesismimpoiarliarred.
   smartpuhsionngesaloud bookasnddocumenretsading a  andfolded  
deilsiveredstandThe   ReaderK. NFBlike apptext-to-speech of2   pageand
beforereadbe
  shoultdhatinstructionusnfoldingcontains use. firstthethe  place 
stantdhe useTo
with stantdheof  shelftop theon   device camtehreacenttehreat   cutout   
half-tchirecle  througdhown facing top theof  ledgteheofbetween 
docuthmeentslide
Then,shelf.
to app the use and  belowwires  supportread
are  wiretesxt. Support
and wire  profile sqauaorefconstructed 90in   placeinto clickis   
profilwe ire   Support intervals.degrees positionfolidned  in-outslidteo
designed
   unfinoldedplaicne statyo and
device mobtihleeof   weigthhet holtdopositionare  wires when
be exmteanydewdi.res  Support
by  stantdhe fromextended readfionrg  inc3hetso up
inteorrnatiolneattleUrS  than largerdocuments
are  wires when  (defasuizlteA4not
extebneded shouldwiresexteSnudpedp)o.rt
placedSymmetripcoaslliytionf.olidned only channweilrse  stantdh'sein
cutouts circular
the andleft the both  extteond allowequalwlyi.re   supporrigt ht

THEOFILL1U: STRATIOPINCTURE STAND   ISSMARUTSPIEHN.ONE THEON   PLACED   
AND SHELTFOP ARE WIRES  SUPPORTEXTENDED DOCUMENRTESADFIONRG SIZE.
LETUTSER THAN  LARGER


VDS
Instructions Page 1  april 5.pdf
Instructions Page 1 - Scanning Stand for the Blind and Visually Impaired
The stand is designed specifically for the blind and visually impaired. It 
facilitates
reading documents and books aloud using smartphones or similar devices and a 
text-to-speech app like KNFB Reader. The stand is delivered folded and page
2 of
contains unfolding instructions that should be read before the first use.
To use the stand place the device on the top shelf of the stand with the camera
facing down through the half-circle cutout at the center of the ledge of the top
shelf. Then, slide the document between support wires below and use the app to
read text.
Support wires are constructed of a square profile wire and click into place in 
90
degrees intervals. Support wire profile is designed to slide in-out in folded 
position
and to stay in place in unfolded position to hold the weight of the mobile 
device
when wires are extended.
Support wires may be extended from the stand by up to 3 inches for reading
documents larger than US letter or international A4 size (default when wires are
not extended).
Support wires should be extended only in folded position. Symmetrically placed
circular cutouts in the stand's wire channels allow to extend both the left and 
the
right support wire equally.

,

PICTURE 1: ILLUSTRATION OF THE STAND
IN USE. SMARTPHONE IS PLACED ON THE
TOP SHELF AND SUPPORT WIRES ARE
EXTENDED FOR READING DOCUMENTS
LARGER THAN US LETTER SIZE.

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Re: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

[Anthony Vece]

No comparison I’m believable

Sent from my Verizon iPhone 10R!!!

> On Apr 5, 2019, at 9:20 AM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> OK, below are two pages, the first one scanned with KNFB Reader, so it says 
> KNFB before the resulting file contents.
> The second one is from Voice Dream Scanner, with VDS before the contents of 
> the file.
> I did both as PDF documents.
> Both were done on the Fopydo Scanning Stand.
> This was done in my office room in our house with no lights on, so it was 
> left to the apps to deal with lighting.
> Both had the flash on.
> The phone never moved on the stand and the scans were taken about 1 minute 
> apart.
>  
> You be the judge.
>  
> KNFB april5.pdf
> 1PageInstructions -
> ImpairedVisuaanlldy Blintdhefor  Stand   Scanning  is   standThe visuaalnlyd 
> blindtheforspecificallydesigned facIitlitdaetevsicesismimpoiarliarred.
>smartpuhsionngesaloud bookasnddocumenretsading a  andfolded  
> deilsiveredstandThe   ReaderK. NFBlike apptext-to-speech of2   pageand
> beforereadbe
>   shoultdhatinstructionusnfoldingcontains use. firstthethe  place 
> stantdhe useTo
> with stantdheof  shelftop theon   device camtehreacenttehreat   cutout   
> half-tchirecle  througdhown facing top theof  ledgteheofbetween 
> docuthmeentslide
> Then,shelf.
> to app the use and  belowwires  supportread
> are  wiretesxt. Support
> and wire  profile sqauaorefconstructed 90in   placeinto clickis   
> profilwe ire   Support intervals.degrees positionfolidned  in-outslidteo
> designed
>unfinoldedplaicne statyo and
> device mobtihleeof   weigthhet holtdopositionare  wires when
> be exmteanydewdi.res  Support
> by  stantdhe fromextended readfionrg  inc3hetso up
> inteorrnatiolneattleUrS  than largerdocuments
> are  wires when  (defasuizlteA4not
> extebneded shouldwiresexteSnudpedp)o.rt
> placedSymmetripcoaslliytionf.olidned only channweilrse  stantdh'sein
> cutouts circular
> the andleft the both  extteond allowequalwlyi.re   supporrigt ht
>  
> THEOFILL1U: STRATIOPINCTURE STAND   ISSMARUTSPIEHN.ONE THEON   PLACED 
>   AND SHELTFOP ARE WIRES  SUPPORTEXTENDED DOCUMENRTESADFIONRG SIZE.
> LETUTSER THAN  LARGER
>  
>  
> VDS
> Instructions Page 1  april 5.pdf
> Instructions Page 1 - Scanning Stand for the Blind and Visually Impaired
> The stand is designed specifically for the blind and visually impaired. It 
> facilitates
> reading documents and books aloud using smartphones or similar devices and a 
> text-to-speech app like KNFB Reader. The stand is delivered folded and page
> 2 of
> contains unfolding instructions that should be read before the first use.
> To use the stand place the device on the top shelf of the stand with the 
> camera
> facing down through the half-circle cutout at the center of the ledge of the 
> top
> shelf. Then, slide the document between support wires below and use the app to
> read text.
> Support wires are constructed of a square profile wire and click into place 
> in 90
> degrees intervals. Support wire profile is designed to slide in-out in folded 
> position
> and to stay in place in unfolded position to hold the weight of the mobile 
> device
> when wires are extended.
> Support wires may be extended from the stand by up to 3 inches for reading
> documents larger than US letter or international A4 size (default when wires 
> are
> not extended).
> Support wires should be extended only in folded position. Symmetrically placed
> circular cutouts in the stand's wire channels allow to extend both the left 
> and the
> right support wire equally.
>  
> ,
>  
> PICTURE 1: ILLUSTRATION OF THE STAND
> IN USE. SMARTPHONE IS PLACED ON THE
> TOP SHELF AND SUPPORT WIRES ARE
> EXTENDED FOR READING DOCUMENTS
> LARGER THAN US LETTER SIZE.
>  
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FW: [VoiceDreamProducts] sample of a scan done on the Fopydo Stand with KNFB Reader and Voice Dream Scanner

[Richard Turner]

OK, below are two pages, the first one scanned with KNFB Reader, so it says 
KNFB before the resulting file contents.
The second one is from Voice Dream Scanner, with VDS before the contents of the 
file.
I did both as PDF documents.
Both were done on the Fopydo Scanning Stand.
This was done in my office room in our house with no lights on, so it was left 
to the apps to deal with lighting.
Both had the flash on.
The phone never moved on the stand and the scans were taken about 1 minute 
apart.

You be the judge.

KNFB april5.pdf
1PageInstructions -
ImpairedVisuaanlldy Blintdhefor  Stand   Scanning  is   standThe visuaalnlyd 
blindtheforspecificallydesigned facIitlitdaetevsicesismimpoiarliarred.
   smartpuhsionngesaloud bookasnddocumenretsading a  andfolded  
deilsiveredstandThe   ReaderK. NFBlike apptext-to-speech of2   pageand
beforereadbe
  shoultdhatinstructionusnfoldingcontains use. firstthethe  place 
stantdhe useTo
with stantdheof  shelftop theon   device camtehreacenttehreat   cutout   
half-tchirecle  througdhown facing top theof  ledgteheofbetween 
docuthmeentslide
Then,shelf.
to app the use and  belowwires  supportread
are  wiretesxt. Support
and wire  profile sqauaorefconstructed 90in   placeinto clickis   
profilwe ire   Support intervals.degrees positionfolidned  in-outslidteo
designed
   unfinoldedplaicne statyo and
device mobtihleeof   weigthhet holtdopositionare  wires when
be exmteanydewdi.res  Support
by  stantdhe fromextended readfionrg  inc3hetso up
inteorrnatiolneattleUrS  than largerdocuments
are  wires when  (defasuizlteA4not
extebneded shouldwiresexteSnudpedp)o.rt
placedSymmetripcoaslliytionf.olidned only channweilrse  stantdh'sein
cutouts circular
the andleft the both  extteond allowequalwlyi.re   supporrigt ht

THEOFILL1U: STRATIOPINCTURE STAND   ISSMARUTSPIEHN.ONE THEON   PLACED   
AND SHELTFOP ARE WIRES  SUPPORTEXTENDED DOCUMENRTESADFIONRG SIZE.
LETUTSER THAN  LARGER


VDS
Instructions Page 1  april 5.pdf
Instructions Page 1 - Scanning Stand for the Blind and Visually Impaired
The stand is designed specifically for the blind and visually impaired. It 
facilitates
reading documents and books aloud using smartphones or similar devices and a 
text-to-speech app like KNFB Reader. The stand is delivered folded and page
2 of
contains unfolding instructions that should be read before the first use.
To use the stand place the device on the top shelf of the stand with the camera
facing down through the half-circle cutout at the center of the ledge of the top
shelf. Then, slide the document between support wires below and use the app to
read text.
Support wires are constructed of a square profile wire and click into place in 
90
degrees intervals. Support wire profile is designed to slide in-out in folded 
position
and to stay in place in unfolded position to hold the weight of the mobile 
device
when wires are extended.
Support wires may be extended from the stand by up to 3 inches for reading
documents larger than US letter or international A4 size (default when wires are
not extended).
Support wires should be extended only in folded position. Symmetrically placed
circular cutouts in the stand's wire channels allow to extend both the left and 
the
right support wire equally.

,

PICTURE 1: ILLUSTRATION OF THE STAND
IN USE. SMARTPHONE IS PLACED ON THE
TOP SHELF AND SUPPORT WIRES ARE
EXTENDED FOR READING DOCUMENTS
LARGER THAN US LETTER SIZE.

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A note from NFB to the KNFB Reader list regarding KNFB Reader in response to all the traffic about Voice Dream Scanner and other apps

[Richard Turner]

The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker


Begin forwarded message:

From: "Richard Turner" 
mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>>
Date: April 4, 2019 at 2:34:36 PM PDT
To: "blindpho...@groups.io<mailto:blindpho...@groups.io>" 
mailto:blindpho...@groups.io>>
Subject: [blindphones] A note from NFB to the KNFB Reader list regarding KNFB 
Reader in response to all the traffic about Voice Dream Scanner and other apps
Reply-To: blindpho...@groups.io<mailto:blindpho...@groups.io>



I thought it was only fair to share what the NFB sent out since the topic has 
been covered on several lists.

Below is a message from Scott White:

Subject: [Reader-users] A note from the National federation of the Blind


Dear List Members,


This is Scott White, Director of Sponsored Technology Programs for the

National Federation of the Blind. I want to write to you today to address

some of the concerns that have been expressed on the list regarding the

performance of the KNFB Reader product and the responsiveness of the

customer service. We regret that there is frustration around the product and

wish to express the fact that we are listening even if you do not feel you

are getting satisfactory information. We hope this note helps address some

of the concerns and outlines some of the future steps.


Those of you who attend conventions of the National Federation of the Blind

are well aware that the technology behind the KNFB Reader and KNFB Reader

Enterprise products are owned by the KNFB Reader LLC which is a wholly owned

subsidiary of the National Federation of the Blind. This has been the case

since 2015. The KNFB Reader LLC has no intention of selling the technology

to anyone and would never do so without public disclosure to the National

Federation of the Blind.


The KNFB Reader LLC has a partnership agreement with Sensotec NV to develop,

promote, and support the KNFB Reader line of products. This agreement has

been in place since 2015 and has never changed. Since 2015, the KNFB Reader

LLC has received in-kind support from the National Federation of the Blind.

Were it not for that support, the product would have disappeared from the

market two years ago. Despite a number of pressures, the National Federation

of the Blind has insisted that the price of the KNFB Reader not be raised

and has urged steep discounts in the product when opportunities arose to do

so.


As you are well aware, a number of new innovations have happened in the

marketplace for access to information. This was stimulated by the creation

of KNFB Reader, going back to the early part of the century when the

National Federation of the Blind and Ray Kurzweil sought to bring scan and

read technology to portable devices-first, a dedicated device and later,

smart phones. The KNFB Reader LLC has attempted to continue development of

the product even though there have been limited dollars for further

development. In 2018, the National Federation of the Blind announced that it

intended to put the core technology of the KNFB Reader into the NFB-NEWSLINE

mobile application and distribute that free to all blind people. That move

is a significant investment on behalf of the National Federation of the

Blind since it will continue to require development and licensing of

technologies to maintain the technical components inside the NFB-NEWSLINE

mobile user interface. This also means that the core technology would be

freely available to every blind person in the United States.


While the intent has been to continue to maintain a paid version of KNFB

Reader, the aggressive development of other products in the marketplace and

declining sales of the KNFB Reader product have made it difficult to

accelerate progress timelines with our development partner. We recognize

that performance improvements are not where our customers would like them to

be. We are re-evaluating our strategy and assessing what we can do to make

those needed improvements.


For anyone that needs KNFB Reader or KNFB Reader Enterprise tech support,

they should send their concern to

supp...@knfbreader.com<mailto:supp...@knfbreader.com><mailto:supp...@knfbreader.com<mailto:supp...@knfbreader.com>>.
 When you send your

concern to that address, it is automatically entered into our ticket

tracking system for resolution. We are examining our procedures to determine

where support items are getting dropped. You can be assured that common

feature requests or improvement suggestions are well documented in our

system.


The National Federation of the Blind is proud that we have been the

innovators of reading technology for the blind from the start with the

original Kurzweil Reading Machine in the 1970s to the mobile platforms in

recent years. Our goal has not been to be a technology company. Our goal has

been to stimulate the marketplace t

Re: unable to get into knfb reader

[Michael Feir]

I'm glad I was able to help. It's an expensive app to just give up on
although thankfully, we now at least have cheeper alternatives to choose
from. I expect the developers of KNFB Reader will have some more tricks up
their sleeves to stay relevant so the ap is certainly staying on my iPHONE.

On Mon, Mar 18, 2019 at 11:34 AM martin  wrote:

> Thanks for your help. I reinstalled the app and it now works.
>
>
>
> *From:* viphone@googlegroups.com  *On Behalf Of
> *Michael Feir
> *Sent:* Saturday, March 16, 2019 8:18 PM
> *To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
> *Subject:* Re: unable to get into knfb reader
>
>
>
> Hi Martin. Have you made certain you've gotten the latest updates from the
> app store? There hasn't been one in a while but they do come out every so
> often. The only other suggestion I have would be to delete and then
> reinstall the app. That has fixe similar issues with other apps I've
> experienced. I would also recommend turning off reachability as this has
> caused frustration to some acquaintences of mine. You might also want to
> check in the app switcher and make certain that KFB Reader is closed.
> Sometimes, apps can run but load oddly and simply crash returning you to
> the home screen without openning properly. They should then be closed and
> restarted. I have no difficulty running KNFB Reader on my iPHONE7. The only
> other thing that occurs to me is that you may want to restart your iPHONE
> and try running KNFB Reader again. Hope that helps.
>
>
>
> On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 7:45 PM martin  wrote:
>
> Hello: for reading items I have been using Third Eye; but it has stopped
> working. I have knfb reader installed but when I try opening it I am thrown
> out. I called support and left a message but I have not heard from them.
> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. I am running the most recent
> version of ios with a six I phone.
>
> Thanking you in advance.
>
> Martin Nelson
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RE: unable to get into knfb reader

[martin]

Thanks for your help. I reinstalled the app and it now works.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Michael 
Feir
Sent: Saturday, March 16, 2019 8:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: unable to get into knfb reader

 

Hi Martin. Have you made certain you've gotten the latest updates from the app 
store? There hasn't been one in a while but they do come out every so often. 
The only other suggestion I have would be to delete and then reinstall the app. 
That has fixe similar issues with other apps I've experienced. I would also 
recommend turning off reachability as this has caused frustration to some 
acquaintences of mine. You might also want to check in the app switcher and 
make certain that KFB Reader is closed. Sometimes, apps can run but load oddly 
and simply crash returning you to the home screen without openning properly. 
They should then be closed and restarted. I have no difficulty running KNFB 
Reader on my iPHONE7. The only other thing that occurs to me is that you may 
want to restart your iPHONE and try running KNFB Reader again. Hope that helps. 

 

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Hello: for reading items I have been using Third Eye; but it has stopped 
working. I have knfb reader installed but when I try opening it I am thrown 
out. I called support and left a message but I have not heard from them. Any 
ideas would be greatly appreciated. I am running the most recent version of ios 
with a six I phone.

Thanking you in advance.

Martin Nelson

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Re: unable to get into knfb reader

[Richard Turner]

I would suggest installing the TestFlight app from the app store; then install 
the Voice Dream Scanner Beta from the link below as it blows KNFB out of the 
water:
https://testflight.apple.com/join/x9XE3CYP





The most common way people give up their power is by thinking they don't have 
any." -- Alice Walker


On Mar 16, 2019, at 5:17 PM, Michael Feir 
mailto:michael.f...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi Martin. Have you made certain you've gotten the latest updates from the app 
store? There hasn't been one in a while but they do come out every so often. 
The only other suggestion I have would be to delete and then reinstall the app. 
That has fixe similar issues with other apps I've experienced. I would also 
recommend turning off reachability as this has caused frustration to some 
acquaintences of mine. You might also want to check in the app switcher and 
make certain that KFB Reader is closed. Sometimes, apps can run but load oddly 
and simply crash returning you to the home screen without openning properly. 
They should then be closed and restarted. I have no difficulty running KNFB 
Reader on my iPHONE7. The only other thing that occurs to me is that you may 
want to restart your iPHONE and try running KNFB Reader again. Hope that helps.

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 7:45 PM martin 
mailto:martinnelso...@gmail.com>> wrote:
Hello: for reading items I have been using Third Eye; but it has stopped 
working. I have knfb reader installed but when I try opening it I am thrown 
out. I called support and left a message but I have not heard from them. Any 
ideas would be greatly appreciated. I am running the most recent version of ios 
with a six I phone.
Thanking you in advance.
Martin Nelson

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Re: unable to get into knfb reader

[Michael Feir]

Hi Martin. Have you made certain you've gotten the latest updates from the
app store? There hasn't been one in a while but they do come out every so
often. The only other suggestion I have would be to delete and then
reinstall the app. That has fixe similar issues with other apps I've
experienced. I would also recommend turning off reachability as this has
caused frustration to some acquaintences of mine. You might also want to
check in the app switcher and make certain that KFB Reader is closed.
Sometimes, apps can run but load oddly and simply crash returning you to
the home screen without openning properly. They should then be closed and
restarted. I have no difficulty running KNFB Reader on my iPHONE7. The only
other thing that occurs to me is that you may want to restart your iPHONE
and try running KNFB Reader again. Hope that helps.

On Sat, Mar 16, 2019 at 7:45 PM martin  wrote:

> Hello: for reading items I have been using Third Eye; but it has stopped
> working. I have knfb reader installed but when I try opening it I am thrown
> out. I called support and left a message but I have not heard from them.
> Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. I am running the most recent
> version of ios with a six I phone.
>
> Thanking you in advance.
>
> Martin Nelson
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unable to get into knfb reader

[martin]

Hello: for reading items I have been using Third Eye; but it has stopped
working. I have knfb reader installed but when I try opening it I am thrown
out. I called support and left a message but I have not heard from them. Any
ideas would be greatly appreciated. I am running the most recent version of
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Thanking you in advance.

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Re: knfb reader

[Arnold Schmidt]

I reported earlier that KNFB reader would not open on my phone, either. I just 
re-installed it, and it opens now. Let's hope it continues to do so. 

Arnold Schmidt 

On Feb 15, 2019, at 3:33 AM, Robert Wright  wrote:

I just did after asking the question.
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
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Have you tried to deleting and reinstalling the app?  
 
 

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On Feb 14, 2019, at 5:43 PM, Robert Wright  wrote:

When I attempt to open it it immediately closes.
 
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Re: knfb reader

[Arnold Schmidt]

Mine won't open, either. I am running it on an iPhone 6, with IOS 12.1.4. 

Arnold Schmidt 

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I just did after asking the question.
 
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When I attempt to open it it immediately closes.
 
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RE: knfb reader

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I just did after asking the question.

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Re: knfb reader

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When I attempt to open it it immediately closes.

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When I attempt to open it it immediately closes. 

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RE: knfb reader

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I had to delete and reinstall it. Now it works fine.

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Don’t know about staying open, but I just opened it on my 8 Plus running 
version 12 and it opened and I landed on the take picture button.  

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Since the 12 update has anyone else had a problem getting knfb to open and stay 
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Re: knfb reader

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To tell you the truth I use it as little as possible

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RE: knfb reader

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Don’t know about staying open, but I just opened it on my 8 Plus running 
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Since the 12 update has anyone else had a problem getting knfb to open and stay 
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RE: KNFB Reader

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I did that. I also turned the phone off completely. I was running 12 beta and 
removed it and still no go.

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From: Richard Turner
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Maybe before that, clear your app switcher and reboot. 
It opens for me, though I almost never use it now since Seeing AI.
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Re: KNFB Reader

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Maybe before that, clear your app switcher and reboot.
It opens for me, though I almost never use it now since Seeing AI.
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KNFB is not opening since my update to 12.1. is it possible that I may need to 
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Sample of a recipe scanned with Seeing AI Document channel and KNFB Reader Version 3

[Richard Turner]

Below is a recipe that was scanned with Seeing AI Document scan.  This was on 
an iPhone SE using the Fopydo Scanning Stand at its normal height of about 11.5 
inches.  Seeing AI shares the file as an HTML document, so it was opened with 
FireFox and I copied and pasted it into Word as is:
Seeing AI had one scanning error, the word continue was messed up.

Following this scan is one done with the latest KNFB Reader version 3.0.
Notice the difference in formatting between the Seeing AI scan and the KNFB 
Reader scan.
The recipe is titled sunstruck Fudge, a recipe my wife and I came up with based 
on a recipe that was supposed to be Sees Fudge that used chocolate chips.

*The Seeing AI scan:


"SUNSTRUCK" FUDGE

Ingredients

4 1/2 cups sugar

1 large can evaporated milk

17.6 ounce Trader Joe's Pound Plus 72% dark chocolate bar. imported from Belgium

7 oz. jar marshmallow cream

1 tsp. vanilla

1. cube butter cut up into pieces
2. cups chopped nuts

Directions

Break chocolate into pieces and place in a large mixing bowl. Place this bowl 
inside a larger bowl that has hot water in it. This will slowly melt the
chocolate. Add to the chocolate: marshmallow cream and butter.

Place sugar and milk in a tall-sided sauce pan and bring to a boil. Then conun 
boiling for exactly ten minutes. Stir the mixture quite often and watch
it because tends to boil over.

Add this mixture to the chocolate and mix well. Stir in the nuts and vanilla. 
When it begins to get stiff, pour into a large buttered pan-a Jellyroll type
pan, 9x13 glass dish works fine.

Let set 24 hours in cool place. Cut into squares.



  *   KNFB reader version 3.0 scan and saved as a PDF.  I opened it with Adobe 
DC on my computer and pasted it into Word as is:
Note: KNFB reader did not get the title of the recipe which is at the top of 
the document.  It put the date as the first line when exported as a PDF.
Also the phone was never moved on the Fopydo stand, so both apps had the exact 
same view of the document.


May-13-20181-15-25.pdf
Ingredients

4 1/2 cups sugar1
large can evaporated milk
17.6 ounce Trader Joe's Pound Plus 72% dark chocolate bar, imported from
Belgium
7 oz. jar marshmallow cream
1 tsp. vanilla

1 cube butter cut up into pieces
2 cups chopped nuts

Directions

Break chocolate into pieces and place in a large mixing bowl. Place this bowl
inside a larger bowl that has hot water in it. This will slowly melt the 
chocolate.
Add to the chocolate: marshmallow cream and butter.

Place sugar and milk in a tall-sided sauce pan and bring to a boil. Then 
continue
boiling for exactly ten minutes. Stir the mixture quite often and watch it 
because it

tends to boil over.
Add this mixture to the chocolate and mix well. Stir in the nuts and vanilla.
When it begins to get stiff, pour into a large buttered pan a jellyroll type 
pan, or

9x13 glass dish works fine.

Let set 24 hours in cool place. Cut into squares





"The secret is not to make your music louder, but to make the world quieter."
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Can’t read what is copied into KNFB reader

[Kathy Brandt]

It goes into the inbox, which increases its size, but I can’t get to the files. 
Does anyone know how to handle this? I’ve already reinstalled the app.

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RE: KNFB Reader version 3.0 dropped yesterday and contains new options

[llumpkin]

Wonder if they pulled it back.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <viphone@googlegroups.com> On Behalf Of Harry 
Bell
Sent: Friday, May 4, 2018 3:13 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader version 3.0 dropped yesterday and contains new options

 

I downloaded this new version of the app. I imported a PDF. I tried to do 
something with PDF but there was no option to export it in plain text format so 
that I could put it into a Pages document. When I save the document I only have 
the option of PDF or KNFB format and when it says the document the app crashes. 
Harry


On 4 May 2018, at 19:43, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com 
<mailto:wale...@gmail.com> > wrote:

Hi List,

 

I just upgraded my KNFB Reader to version 3.0 which dropped yesterday and have 
a couple of comments to make and wanted to hear of others' experience with this 
new version.

 

In the Camera settings, KNFB Reader now contains an option to set the default 
file type for recognized documents. The two options are PDF and KNFB. I'm not 
positive but it seems that when PDF is picked, the scanned document might be 
formatted. I scanned a one page document and got the usual very good scanning 
results but my limited vision seemed to indicate that the page might also have 
been formatted like the original item. One thing I did have a problem with was 
when I select the Files button from the bottomline menu, KNFB Reader closes. It 
is still running in the App Switcher but this seems to be a bug.

 

I'm curious what others have experienced with this new version of KNFB Reader 
and whether you're getting a similar result when executing the Files button.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Alan Lemly

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Re: KNFB Reader version 3.0 dropped yesterday and contains new options

[Harry Bell]

I downloaded this new version of the app. I imported a PDF. I tried to do 
something with PDF but there was no option to export it in plain text format so 
that I could put it into a Pages document. When I save the document I only have 
the option of PDF or KNFB format and when it says the document the app crashes. 
Harry

> On 4 May 2018, at 19:43, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> I just upgraded my KNFB Reader to version 3.0 which dropped yesterday and 
> have a couple of comments to make and wanted to hear of others' experience 
> with this new version.
>  
> In the Camera settings, KNFB Reader now contains an option to set the default 
> file type for recognized documents. The two options are PDF and KNFB. I'm not 
> positive but it seems that when PDF is picked, the scanned document might be 
> formatted. I scanned a one page document and got the usual very good scanning 
> results but my limited vision seemed to indicate that the page might also 
> have been formatted like the original item. One thing I did have a problem 
> with was when I select the Files button from the bottomline menu, KNFB Reader 
> closes. It is still running in the App Switcher but this seems to be a bug.
>  
> I'm curious what others have experienced with this new version of KNFB Reader 
> and whether you're getting a similar result when executing the Files button.
>  
> Thanks in advance.
>  
> Alan Lemly
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Re: KNFB Reader version 3.0 dropped yesterday and contains new options

[pegkane52]

Hi Alan,
I’ve had the same is experiences as you have had.
. Take care.
Peggy

Peggy Sent from my IPhone.


> On May 4, 2018, at 2:43 PM, Alan Lemly <wale...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Hi List,
>  
> I just upgraded my KNFB Reader to version 3.0 which dropped yesterday and 
> have a couple of comments to make and wanted to hear of others' experience 
> with this new version.
>  
> In the Camera settings, KNFB Reader now contains an option to set the default 
> file type for recognized documents. The two options are PDF and KNFB. I'm not 
> positive but it seems that when PDF is picked, the scanned document might be 
> formatted. I scanned a one page document and got the usual very good scanning 
> results but my limited vision seemed to indicate that the page might also 
> have been formatted like the original item. One thing I did have a problem 
> with was when I select the Files button from the bottomline menu, KNFB Reader 
> closes. It is still running in the App Switcher but this seems to be a bug.
>  
> I'm curious what others have experienced with this new version of KNFB Reader 
> and whether you're getting a similar result when executing the Files button.
>  
> Thanks in advance.
>  
> Alan Lemly
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KNFB Reader version 3.0 dropped yesterday and contains new options

[Alan Lemly]

Hi List,

 

I just upgraded my KNFB Reader to version 3.0 which dropped yesterday and
have a couple of comments to make and wanted to hear of others' experience
with this new version.

 

In the Camera settings, KNFB Reader now contains an option to set the
default file type for recognized documents. The two options are PDF and
KNFB. I'm not positive but it seems that when PDF is picked, the scanned
document might be formatted. I scanned a one page document and got the usual
very good scanning results but my limited vision seemed to indicate that the
page might also have been formatted like the original item. One thing I did
have a problem with was when I select the Files button from the bottomline
menu, KNFB Reader closes. It is still running in the App Switcher but this
seems to be a bug.

 

I'm curious what others have experienced with this new version of KNFB
Reader and whether you're getting a similar result when executing the Files
button.

 

Thanks in advance.

 

Alan Lemly

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Re: KNFB Reader in iOS 11.3

[Harry Bell]

Removing the app then turning phone off and on again and then reinstalling KNFB 
Reader worked a treat! Back to its previous brilliant functioning. Whew! Thank 
you!
Regards
Harry

> On 19 Apr 2018, at 17:18, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
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> I just took a picture of a recipe my wife printed out and KNFB Reader read it 
> perfectly, at one point it said "Citrantro" instead of "Cilantro", but that 
> was the only mistake on a full page of print I could detect.
> Make sure your lens is clean? If it is and you still have trouble I would 
> delete KNFB Reader and reinstall it.
> 
> 
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> Sent: Thursday, April 19, 2018 6:22 AM
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> Subject: KNFB Reader in iOS 11.3
> 
> Has anyone noticed KNFB Reader malfunctioning of late? Since iOS 11.3, KNFB 
> Reader has randomly crashed when taking a photo of text with my iPhone 7 Plus 
> and I always fail to get a comprehensible text read back to me: instead, I 
> get a long string of random characters and symbols. It used to work so well!
> Harry
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RE: KNFB Reader in iOS 11.3

[Sieghard Weitzel]

I just took a picture of a recipe my wife printed out and KNFB Reader read it 
perfectly, at one point it said "Citrantro" instead of "Cilantro", but that was 
the only mistake on a full page of print I could detect.
Make sure your lens is clean? If it is and you still have trouble I would 
delete KNFB Reader and reinstall it.


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To: Abridged Recipients <viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: KNFB Reader in iOS 11.3

Has anyone noticed KNFB Reader malfunctioning of late? Since iOS 11.3, KNFB 
Reader has randomly crashed when taking a photo of text with my iPhone 7 Plus 
and I always fail to get a comprehensible text read back to me: instead, I get 
a long string of random characters and symbols. It used to work so well!
Harry

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KNFB Reader in iOS 11.3

[Harry Bell]

Has anyone noticed KNFB Reader malfunctioning of late? Since iOS 11.3, KNFB 
Reader has randomly crashed when taking a photo of text with my iPhone 7 Plus 
and I always fail to get a comprehensible text read back to me: instead, I get 
a long string of random characters and symbols. It used to work so well!
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Re: Issues with KNFB Reader

[Richard Turner]

Have you checked the available storage on the 6. It sounds like you have made 
sure it is the only app open.
I think it may be time to call Apple Accessibility and see if they can screen 
share with you and figure out what is happening.
1-877-204-3930
HTH,
Richard




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- Mitch Albom from The Magic Strings of Frankie Presto, page 1

On Apr 10, 2018, at 4:44 PM, Kelly Hill 
<kellmast...@gmail.com<mailto:kellmast...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I know this thread is  a little old, but the KNFB Reader app on my iPhone 6 
crashes constantly even if the phone is just sitting there with the app open 
and I'm not asking it to do anything. I discovered this when I could not back 
my old files up to Dropbox so that I could import them into the KNFB Reader app 
on an iPhone 8.  I can't share files individually either because the app won't 
remain open on the iPhone 6 long enough to do it.  Already tried regular 
restart, home and lock buttons together for ten seconds, and doing it plugged 
into power with the phone already at 100%.
The only other thing I can imagine doing is completely restoring my new phone 
from a backup of the old one in iTunes but I'm not sure I want the files that 
bad.  Anybody have any other ideas?


Kelly Hill



On Sunday, November 19, 2017 at 9:48:23 AM UTC-8, turab chimthanawala wrote:
Hi all
Hope this mail finds you well. Since the past few months, my KNFB
reader app seems to abruptly shut down while performing certain
operations. For instance few days back when I tried to save a scanned
file into a different format by clicking on share, the app would
abruptly shut down. Also the app sometimes tends to hang, while trying
to save a document
Any idea?
Best
Turab.

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Re: Issues with KNFB Reader

[Kelly Hill]

I know this thread is  a little old, but the KNFB Reader app on my iPhone 6 
crashes constantly even if the phone is just sitting there with the app 
open and I'm not asking it to do anything. I discovered this when I could 
not back my old files up to Dropbox so that I could import them into the 
KNFB Reader app on an iPhone 8.  I can't share files individually either 
because the app won't remain open on the iPhone 6 long enough to do it.  
Already tried regular restart, home and lock buttons together for ten 
seconds, and doing it plugged into power with the phone already at 100%.
The only other thing I can imagine doing is completely restoring my new 
phone from a backup of the old one in iTunes but I'm not sure I want the 
files that bad.  Anybody have any other ideas?


Kelly Hill



On Sunday, November 19, 2017 at 9:48:23 AM UTC-8, turab chimthanawala wrote:
>
> Hi all 
> Hope this mail finds you well. Since the past few months, my KNFB 
> reader app seems to abruptly shut down while performing certain 
> operations. For instance few days back when I tried to save a scanned 
> file into a different format by clicking on share, the app would 
> abruptly shut down. Also the app sometimes tends to hang, while trying 
> to save a document 
> Any idea? 
> Best 
> Turab. 
>

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RE: E-mailing KNFB Reader scans

[Ron Pelletier]

Hi Kim,

Yes, I do it all the time.
First, I save the document.  Then I go to the File Explorer and flick right to 
the document.  Then flick up to "share" and double tap then flick right to 
e-mail and double tap.  You will be in an e-mail message. Just address it and 
the KNFB document is already attached

Ron & Danvers
 

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To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: E-mailing KNFB Reader scans

Hi,

Is it possible to e-mail scans from the KNFB Reader?  I’m not finding a 
setting/choice for this.

Thanks again,
Kim

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E-mailing KNFB Reader scans

[Kimberly Samco]

Hi,

Is it possible to e-mail scans from the KNFB Reader?  I’m not finding a 
setting/choice for this.

Thanks again,
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Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[Richard Turner]

No scanning software should be trusted with things like tax forms. Not 
Openbook, Kurzweil or anything on a phone. Accuracy is simply too important.
Just My Opinion,
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jan 20, 2018, at 5:52 PM, kelby carlson 
<kelbycarl...@gmail.com<mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Well, for certain documents where accurate results are absolutely essential 
(tax forms, for example) I'm not sure either will work completely.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 20, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Richard Turner 
<richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

Below is a scan of the back cover of a paperback first done with Seeing AI.  
Following that, is the same back cover done with KNFB Reader.  Sitting at my 
desk using my iPhone SE.

Back cover with Seeing AI:

and Heroism!

ARE YOU READY?

iant earthquakes and tsunamis devastate western Oregon every 300 to 600 years. 
The last one hit in 1700, so we're due anytime. This informative, entertaining
book tells the stories of Oregon's past floods, fires, and eruptions. Then it 
investigates the cycles behind our natural disasters and takes a look at
what may happen when the next "Big One" strikes.

Also by WILLIAM L. SULLIVAN

Oregon Inrs& I rails - Cabm Fever - l_ustenmg for Covote

The 100 lltkes" sent•sfor Oregon • A Peeper J Vilå

History - [rplonng Oregon' Wild Areas - 17K Case of[msfem's Vtoltn

Navillus Press

1958 Onvx Street

Eugene, OR 97403 
aww.oregonhiking.com<https://nam04.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Faww.oregonhiking.com=02%7C01%7C%7Cfacf99d04bb54466df5508d560719bb6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C636520963417096863=Yjwm7%2FPS8SPfbTwe8MhgE77HwugaBqt1vQ7hjhmR2qQ%3D=0>

ISBN 0-9815701-0-0 S18.95


Now the same back cover done with KNFB Reader:

FfJt ^ ^^^ and Heroism • , • ^ ? ARE YOU READY? Giant edrthquakcs iin -1 
tsunamis (.lcviist^tc western Oregon every 300 to 600 years. The last one hit 
in 1700, so we're due anytime. Tliis infonritttivc, enterLuning Ixiok tells the 
stories of Oregon's past floods, fires, anJ eruptions. Then it iiivcsti^tcs the 
cycles behind our natural dis^stei-s tUtd ttikes a look At what nuy happen 
wlicn tltc next "Big One'' strikes. I hkiH^ Or^^n's. ii^t^ty l' ^! ^nn^0fv^m^ 
ilti Arc^ " Tfy C ^ tfr:n (n t h') n Also by WILLIAM L. SULLIVAN Vh' "1W Hike^' 
f;i4i l ~l ^ •fw.- A" Onyn • A Pci' vr l ,;J 1W Onv Stnvt I'u^w, OR 97403 - . , 
-. y rf -M^ - - S1S05 •-• •^ 80S

Richard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of kelby carlson
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 2:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

That is the precise experience I have. I today used it on some other documents 
besides the court ones I described, with the same result; KNFB Reader gave much 
better quality and was much easier to get the document in view of the camera.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 20, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Nancy Badger 
<nancybad...@icloud.com<mailto:nancybad...@icloud.com>> wrote:
The only reason I use kNFB FB reader now is  is when I want to have more than 
one page in a single document. I don’t think seeing AI does that yet.
Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

On Jan 20, 2018, at 2:21 PM, 
englishride...@gmail.com<mailto:englishride...@gmail.com> wrote:
I've not had much luck with Seeing AI's document channel, either. Strange. I'm 
getting a bit better at getting the hold steady announcement a little faster--I 
guess all that practice with KNFB was helpful--but once the pic is processed by 
Seeing AI, 99% of the time, I get a message about there being no text. It's 
super frustrating. And since I'm pretty sure Seeing AI's default is to control 
the flash automatically, and since I do get results on the same text using the 
short text channel, I have no idea why this is happening.


Thanks,
Ari

On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Richard Turner 
<richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
That is not my experience at all.
But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.
With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera to 
a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text mode is 
to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or changes the 
focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't really designed 
for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel is for.
But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.
Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update this 
year for KNFB.
Something I've asked for since it was re

Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[kelby carlson]

Well, for certain documents where accurate results are absolutely essential 
(tax forms, for example) I'm not sure either will work completely.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 20, 2018, at 6:28 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Below is a scan of the back cover of a paperback first done with Seeing AI.  
> Following that, is the same back cover done with KNFB Reader.  Sitting at my 
> desk using my iPhone SE.
>  
> Back cover with Seeing AI:
>  
> and Heroism!
>  
> ARE YOU READY?
>  
> iant earthquakes and tsunamis devastate western Oregon every 300 to 600 
> years. The last one hit in 1700, so we're due anytime. This informative, 
> entertaining
> book tells the stories of Oregon's past floods, fires, and eruptions. Then it 
> investigates the cycles behind our natural disasters and takes a look at
> what may happen when the next "Big One" strikes.
>  
> Also by WILLIAM L. SULLIVAN
>  
> Oregon Inrs& I rails - Cabm Fever - l_ustenmg for Covote
>  
> The 100 lltkes" sent•sfor Oregon • A Peeper J Vilå
>  
> History - [rplonng Oregon' Wild Areas - 17K Case of[msfem's Vtoltn
>  
> Navillus Press
>  
> 1958 Onvx Street
>  
> Eugene, OR 97403 aww.oregonhiking.com
>  
> ISBN 0-9815701-0-0 S18.95
>  
>  
> Now the same back cover done with KNFB Reader:
>  
> FfJt ^ ^^^ and Heroism • , • ^ ? ARE YOU READY? Giant edrthquakcs iin -1 
> tsunamis (.lcviist^tc western Oregon every 300 to 600 years. The last one hit 
> in 1700, so we're due anytime. Tliis infonritttivc, enterLuning Ixiok tells 
> the stories of Oregon's past floods, fires, anJ eruptions. Then it 
> iiivcsti^tcs the cycles behind our natural dis^stei-s tUtd ttikes a look At 
> what nuy happen wlicn tltc next "Big One'' strikes. I hkiH^ Or^^n's. ii^t^ty 
> l' ^! ^nn^0fv^m^ ilti Arc^ " Tfy C ^ tfr:n (n t h') n Also by WILLIAM L. 
> SULLIVAN Vh' "1W Hike^' f;i4i l ~l ^ •fw.- A" Onyn • A Pci' vr l ,;J 1W Onv 
> Stnvt I'u^w, OR 97403 - . , -. y rf -M^ - - S1S05 •-• •^ 80S
>  
> Richard
>  
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> kelby carlson
> Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 2:59 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI
>  
> That is the precise experience I have. I today used it on some other 
> documents besides the court ones I described, with the same result; KNFB 
> Reader gave much better quality and was much easier to get the document in 
> view of the camera.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Jan 20, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Nancy Badger <nancybad...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> The only reason I use kNFB FB reader now is  is when I want to have more than 
> one page in a single document. I don’t think seeing AI does that yet.
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Executive Director of Counseling
> Old Dominion University
> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
> 
> On Jan 20, 2018, at 2:21 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I've not had much luck with Seeing AI's document channel, either. Strange. 
> I'm getting a bit better at getting the hold steady announcement a little 
> faster--I guess all that practice with KNFB was helpful--but once the pic is 
> processed by Seeing AI, 99% of the time, I get a message about there being no 
> text. It's super frustrating. And since I'm pretty sure Seeing AI's default 
> is to control the flash automatically, and since I do get results on the same 
> text using the short text channel, I have no idea why this is happening.
>  
>  
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
> On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> That is not my experience at all.
> But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.
> With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera 
> to a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text mode 
> is to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or changes 
> the focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't really 
> designed for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel is for.
> But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.
> Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update 
> this year for KNFB.
> Something I've asked for since it was released.
> Here's hoping it finally happens.
> Richard
>  
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
> 
> On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal wi

RE: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[Richard Turner]

Below is a scan of the back cover of a paperback first done with Seeing AI.  
Following that, is the same back cover done with KNFB Reader.  Sitting at my 
desk using my iPhone SE.

Back cover with Seeing AI:

and Heroism!

ARE YOU READY?

iant earthquakes and tsunamis devastate western Oregon every 300 to 600 years. 
The last one hit in 1700, so we're due anytime. This informative, entertaining
book tells the stories of Oregon's past floods, fires, and eruptions. Then it 
investigates the cycles behind our natural disasters and takes a look at
what may happen when the next "Big One" strikes.

Also by WILLIAM L. SULLIVAN

Oregon Inrs& I rails - Cabm Fever - l_ustenmg for Covote

The 100 lltkes" sent•sfor Oregon • A Peeper J Vilå

History - [rplonng Oregon' Wild Areas - 17K Case of[msfem's Vtoltn

Navillus Press

1958 Onvx Street

Eugene, OR 97403 aww.oregonhiking.com

ISBN 0-9815701-0-0 S18.95


Now the same back cover done with KNFB Reader:

FfJt ^ ^^^ and Heroism • , • ^ ? ARE YOU READY? Giant edrthquakcs iin -1 
tsunamis (.lcviist^tc western Oregon every 300 to 600 years. The last one hit 
in 1700, so we're due anytime. Tliis infonritttivc, enterLuning Ixiok tells the 
stories of Oregon's past floods, fires, anJ eruptions. Then it iiivcsti^tcs the 
cycles behind our natural dis^stei-s tUtd ttikes a look At what nuy happen 
wlicn tltc next "Big One'' strikes. I hkiH^ Or^^n's. ii^t^ty l' ^! ^nn^0fv^m^ 
ilti Arc^ " Tfy C ^ tfr:n (n t h') n Also by WILLIAM L. SULLIVAN Vh' "1W Hike^' 
f;i4i l ~l ^ •fw.- A" Onyn • A Pci' vr l ,;J 1W Onv Stnvt I'u^w, OR 97403 - . , 
-. y rf -M^ - - S1S05 •-• •^ 80S

Richard



From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
kelby carlson
Sent: Saturday, January 20, 2018 2:59 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

That is the precise experience I have. I today used it on some other documents 
besides the court ones I described, with the same result; KNFB Reader gave much 
better quality and was much easier to get the document in view of the camera.
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 20, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Nancy Badger 
<nancybad...@icloud.com<mailto:nancybad...@icloud.com>> wrote:
The only reason I use kNFB FB reader now is  is when I want to have more than 
one page in a single document. I don’t think seeing AI does that yet.
Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

On Jan 20, 2018, at 2:21 PM, 
englishride...@gmail.com<mailto:englishride...@gmail.com> wrote:
I've not had much luck with Seeing AI's document channel, either. Strange. I'm 
getting a bit better at getting the hold steady announcement a little faster--I 
guess all that practice with KNFB was helpful--but once the pic is processed by 
Seeing AI, 99% of the time, I get a message about there being no text. It's 
super frustrating. And since I'm pretty sure Seeing AI's default is to control 
the flash automatically, and since I do get results on the same text using the 
short text channel, I have no idea why this is happening.


Thanks,
Ari

On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Richard Turner 
<richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:
That is not my experience at all.
But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.
With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera to 
a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text mode is 
to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or changes the 
focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't really designed 
for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel is for.
But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.
Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update this 
year for KNFB.
Something I've asked for since it was released.
Here's hoping it finally happens.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson 
<kelbycarl...@gmail.com<mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper documents. 
So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to really compare 
KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though I bought it) and 
Seeing AI.

My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by a 
country mile.

Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the basic 
information about a case. When trying to do the document channel with Seeing 
AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was not visible no 
matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the phone really high and 
got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not recognize a bit of text.

Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[kelby carlson]

That is the precise experience I have. I today used it on some other documents 
besides the court ones I described, with the same result; KNFB Reader gave much 
better quality and was much easier to get the document in view of the camera.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 20, 2018, at 4:09 PM, Nancy Badger <nancybad...@icloud.com> wrote:
> 
> The only reason I use kNFB FB reader now is  is when I want to have more than 
> one page in a single document. I don’t think seeing AI does that yet.
> 
> Nancy Badger, Ph.D
> Executive Director of Counseling
> Old Dominion University
> Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.
> 
>> On Jan 20, 2018, at 2:21 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
>> 
>> I've not had much luck with Seeing AI's document channel, either. Strange. 
>> I'm getting a bit better at getting the hold steady announcement a little 
>> faster--I guess all that practice with KNFB was helpful--but once the pic is 
>> processed by Seeing AI, 99% of the time, I get a message about there being 
>> no text. It's super frustrating. And since I'm pretty sure Seeing AI's 
>> default is to control the flash automatically, and since I do get results on 
>> the same text using the short text channel, I have no idea why this is 
>> happening.
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Ari
>> 
>>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> That is not my experience at all.
>>> But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.
>>> With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera 
>>> to a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text 
>>> mode is to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or 
>>> changes the focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't 
>>> really designed for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel 
>>> is for.
>>> But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.
>>> Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update 
>>> this year for KNFB.
>>> Something I've asked for since it was released.
>>> Here's hoping it finally happens.
>>> Richard
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>>> 
>>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper 
>>>> documents. So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to 
>>>> really compare KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though 
>>>> I bought it) and Seeing AI.
>>>> 
>>>> My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by 
>>>> a country mile.
>>>> 
>>>> Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the 
>>>> basic information about a case. When trying to do the document channel 
>>>> with Seeing AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was 
>>>> not visible no matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the 
>>>> phone really high and got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not 
>>>> recognize a bit of text.
>>>> 
>>>> With KNFB: I center the camera, lift it up, take a couple field of views 
>>>> to orient, take a picture and it reads the sheet almost immediately, with 
>>>> very few flaws at all.
>>>> 
>>>> In each case I'm using the same camera and positioning it in the same way. 
>>>> I can only conclude, then, that it is a difference in the apps.
>>>> 
>>>> Seeing AI's short text feature in this case actually worked better than 
>>>> the document channel, for some reason, but typically still gives garbled 
>>>> text ap some points and will also stop if you move the camera even a 
>>>> milimeter.
>>>> 
>>>> So, I think with a few exceptions I'll be sticking with KNFB Reader.
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[Nancy Badger]

The only reason I use kNFB FB reader now is  is when I want to have more than 
one page in a single document. I don’t think seeing AI does that yet.

Nancy Badger, Ph.D
Executive Director of Counseling
Old Dominion University
Sent from my iPhone with dictation software. Please excuse spelling errors.

> On Jan 20, 2018, at 2:21 PM, englishride...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> I've not had much luck with Seeing AI's document channel, either. Strange. 
> I'm getting a bit better at getting the hold steady announcement a little 
> faster--I guess all that practice with KNFB was helpful--but once the pic is 
> processed by Seeing AI, 99% of the time, I get a message about there being no 
> text. It's super frustrating. And since I'm pretty sure Seeing AI's default 
> is to control the flash automatically, and since I do get results on the same 
> text using the short text channel, I have no idea why this is happening.
> 
> 
> Thanks,
> Ari
> 
>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
>> wrote:
>> 
>> That is not my experience at all. 
>> But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.
>> With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera 
>> to a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text 
>> mode is to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or 
>> changes the focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't 
>> really designed for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel 
>> is for.
>> But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.
>> Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update 
>> this year for KNFB.
>> Something I've asked for since it was released.
>> Here's hoping it finally happens.
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>> 
>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper 
>>> documents. So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to 
>>> really compare KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though I 
>>> bought it) and Seeing AI.
>>> 
>>> My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by a 
>>> country mile.
>>> 
>>> Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the 
>>> basic information about a case. When trying to do the document channel with 
>>> Seeing AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was not 
>>> visible no matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the phone 
>>> really high and got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not 
>>> recognize a bit of text.
>>> 
>>> With KNFB: I center the camera, lift it up, take a couple field of views to 
>>> orient, take a picture and it reads the sheet almost immediately, with very 
>>> few flaws at all.
>>> 
>>> In each case I'm using the same camera and positioning it in the same way. 
>>> I can only conclude, then, that it is a difference in the apps.
>>> 
>>> Seeing AI's short text feature in this case actually worked better than the 
>>> document channel, for some reason, but typically still gives garbled text 
>>> ap some points and will also stop if you move the camera even a milimeter.
>>> 
>>> So, I think with a few exceptions I'll be sticking with KNFB Reader.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[englishrider91]

I've not had much luck with Seeing AI's document channel, either. Strange. I'm 
getting a bit better at getting the hold steady announcement a little faster--I 
guess all that practice with KNFB was helpful--but once the pic is processed by 
Seeing AI, 99% of the time, I get a message about there being no text. It's 
super frustrating. And since I'm pretty sure Seeing AI's default is to control 
the flash automatically, and since I do get results on the same text using the 
short text channel, I have no idea why this is happening.


Thanks,
Ari

> On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:57 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> That is not my experience at all.
> But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.
> With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera 
> to a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text mode 
> is to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or changes 
> the focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't really 
> designed for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel is for.
> But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.
> Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update 
> this year for KNFB.
> Something I've asked for since it was released.
> Here's hoping it finally happens.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
> 
> On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper 
>> documents. So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to 
>> really compare KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though I 
>> bought it) and Seeing AI.
>> 
>> My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by a 
>> country mile.
>> 
>> Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the 
>> basic information about a case. When trying to do the document channel with 
>> Seeing AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was not 
>> visible no matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the phone 
>> really high and got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not 
>> recognize a bit of text.
>> 
>> With KNFB: I center the camera, lift it up, take a couple field of views to 
>> orient, take a picture and it reads the sheet almost immediately, with very 
>> few flaws at all.
>> 
>> In each case I'm using the same camera and positioning it in the same way. I 
>> can only conclude, then, that it is a difference in the apps.
>> 
>> Seeing AI's short text feature in this case actually worked better than the 
>> document channel, for some reason, but typically still gives garbled text ap 
>> some points and will also stop if you move the camera even a milimeter.
>> 
>> So, I think with a few exceptions I'll be sticking with KNFB Reader.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[ajvece]

That Seeing AI app really amazes me!

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 8:23 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

 

Would be nice if KNFB would also include an instant mode where it reads what 
the camera sees without having to interact with the phone.

I also find that in many situations the short text channel in the Seeing AI app 
does all the OCR I need.

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 12:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

 

That is not my experience at all. 

But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.

With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera to 
a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text mode is 
to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or changes the 
focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't really designed 
for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel is for.

But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.

Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update this 
year for KNFB.

Something I've asked for since it was released.

Here's hoping it finally happens.

Richard

 

 

(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)


On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com 
<mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com> > wrote:

So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper documents. 
So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to really compare 
KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though I bought it) and 
Seeing AI.

My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by a 
country mile.

Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the basic 
information about a case. When trying to do the document channel with Seeing 
AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was not visible no 
matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the phone really high and 
got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not recognize a bit of text.

With KNFB: I center the camera, lift it up, take a couple field of views to 
orient, take a picture and it reads the sheet almost immediately, with very few 
flaws at all.

In each case I'm using the same camera and positioning it in the same way. I 
can only conclude, then, that it is a difference in the apps.

Seeing AI's short text feature in this case actually worked better than the 
document channel, for some reason, but typically still gives garbled text ap 
some points and will also stop if you move the camera even a milimeter.

So, I think with a few exceptions I'll be sticking with KNFB Reader.




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RE: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Would be nice if KNFB would also include an instant mode where it reads what 
the camera sees without having to interact with the phone.
I also find that in many situations the short text channel in the Seeing AI app 
does all the OCR I need.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 12:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

That is not my experience at all.
But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.
With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera to 
a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text mode is 
to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or changes the 
focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't really designed 
for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel is for.
But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.
Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update this 
year for KNFB.
Something I've asked for since it was released.
Here's hoping it finally happens.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson 
<kelbycarl...@gmail.com<mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper documents. 
So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to really compare 
KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though I bought it) and 
Seeing AI.

My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by a 
country mile.

Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the basic 
information about a case. When trying to do the document channel with Seeing 
AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was not visible no 
matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the phone really high and 
got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not recognize a bit of text.

With KNFB: I center the camera, lift it up, take a couple field of views to 
orient, take a picture and it reads the sheet almost immediately, with very few 
flaws at all.

In each case I'm using the same camera and positioning it in the same way. I 
can only conclude, then, that it is a difference in the apps.

Seeing AI's short text feature in this case actually worked better than the 
document channel, for some reason, but typically still gives garbled text ap 
some points and will also stop if you move the camera even a milimeter.

So, I think with a few exceptions I'll be sticking with KNFB Reader.




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Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[Richard Turner]

No, once the picture is taken, you can set the phone down.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jan 19, 2018, at 4:24 PM, kelby carlson 
<kelbycarl...@gmail.com<mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Is it necessary to hold the phone still while the image is processing?

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 19, 2018, at 4:26 PM, Richard Turner 
<richardturne...@outlook.com<mailto:richardturne...@outlook.com>> wrote:

I do not know if that has an impact on Seeing AI.  It might since it is 
attempting to retain the format.
I’d suggest writing seein...@microsoft.com<mailto:seein...@microsoft.com> and 
asking them that very question.
This is just the kind of thing that they could then add to its capability 
perhaps.

Later,
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jan 19, 2018, at 1:19 PM, Cristóbal 
<crismuno...@gmail.com<mailto:crismuno...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Can’t remember the last time I used KNFBReader on my phone. Immediacy of 
scanning results is what makes me partial to SeeingAI hands down at this point. 
Even if scanning results were marginally better in KNFBReader, the fact that 
you can get feedback almost instantaneously in SeeingAI
Would for me anyway outweigh the difference in OCR results. That and the added 
channels too. KNFBReader’s got some major catching up to do.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 12:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

That is not my experience at all.
But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.
With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera to 
a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text mode is 
to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or changes the 
focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't really designed 
for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel is for.
But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.
Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update this 
year for KNFB.
Something I've asked for since it was released.
Here's hoping it finally happens.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson 
<kelbycarl...@gmail.com<mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper documents. 
So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to really compare 
KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though I bought it) and 
Seeing AI.

My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by a 
country mile.

Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the basic 
information about a case. When trying to do the document channel with Seeing 
AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was not visible no 
matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the phone really high and 
got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not recognize a bit of text.

With KNFB: I center the camera, lift it up, take a couple field of views to 
orient, take a picture and it reads the sheet almost immediately, with very few 
flaws at all.

In each case I'm using the same camera and positioning it in the same way. I 
can only conclude, then, that it is a difference in the apps.

Seeing AI's short text feature in this case actually worked better than the 
document channel, for some reason, but typically still gives garbled text ap 
some points and will also stop if you move the camera even a milimeter.

So, I think with a few exceptions I'll be sticking with KNFB Reader.




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Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[kelby carlson]

Is it necessary to hold the phone still while the image is processing?

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 19, 2018, at 4:26 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I do not know if that has an impact on Seeing AI.  It might since it is 
> attempting to retain the format.
> I’d suggest writing seein...@microsoft.com and asking them that very question.
> This is just the kind of thing that they could then add to its capability 
> perhaps.
> 
> Later,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
> 
> On Jan 19, 2018, at 1:19 PM, Cristóbal <crismuno...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> Can’t remember the last time I used KNFBReader on my phone. Immediacy of 
>> scanning results is what makes me partial to SeeingAI hands down at this 
>> point. Even if scanning results were marginally better in KNFBReader, the 
>> fact that you can get feedback almost instantaneously in SeeingAI
>> Would for me anyway outweigh the difference in OCR results. That and the 
>> added channels too. KNFBReader’s got some major catching up to do.
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 12:58 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI
>>  
>> That is not my experience at all.
>> But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.
>> With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera 
>> to a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text 
>> mode is to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or 
>> changes the focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't 
>> really designed for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel 
>> is for.
>> But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.
>> Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update 
>> this year for KNFB.
>> Something I've asked for since it was released.
>> Here's hoping it finally happens.
>> Richard
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>> 
>> On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper 
>> documents. So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to 
>> really compare KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though I 
>> bought it) and Seeing AI.
>> 
>> My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by a 
>> country mile.
>> 
>> Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the 
>> basic information about a case. When trying to do the document channel with 
>> Seeing AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was not 
>> visible no matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the phone 
>> really high and got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not 
>> recognize a bit of text.
>> 
>> With KNFB: I center the camera, lift it up, take a couple field of views to 
>> orient, take a picture and it reads the sheet almost immediately, with very 
>> few flaws at all.
>> 
>> In each case I'm using the same camera and positioning it in the same way. I 
>> can only conclude, then, that it is a difference in the apps.
>> 
>> Seeing AI's short text feature in this case actually worked better than the 
>> document channel, for some reason, but typically still gives garbled text ap 
>> some points and will also stop if you move the camera even a milimeter.
>> 
>> So, I think with a few exceptions I'll be sticking with KNFB Reader.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[Richard Turner]

I do not know if that has an impact on Seeing AI.  It might since it is 
attempting to retain the format.
I’d suggest writing seein...@microsoft.com<mailto:seein...@microsoft.com> and 
asking them that very question.
This is just the kind of thing that they could then add to its capability 
perhaps.

Later,
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jan 19, 2018, at 1:19 PM, Cristóbal 
<crismuno...@gmail.com<mailto:crismuno...@gmail.com>> wrote:

Can’t remember the last time I used KNFBReader on my phone. Immediacy of 
scanning results is what makes me partial to SeeingAI hands down at this point. 
Even if scanning results were marginally better in KNFBReader, the fact that 
you can get feedback almost instantaneously in SeeingAI
Would for me anyway outweigh the difference in OCR results. That and the added 
channels too. KNFBReader’s got some major catching up to do.


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 12:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

That is not my experience at all.
But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.
With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera to 
a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text mode is 
to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or changes the 
focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't really designed 
for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel is for.
But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.
Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update this 
year for KNFB.
Something I've asked for since it was released.
Here's hoping it finally happens.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson 
<kelbycarl...@gmail.com<mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper documents. 
So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to really compare 
KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though I bought it) and 
Seeing AI.

My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by a 
country mile.

Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the basic 
information about a case. When trying to do the document channel with Seeing 
AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was not visible no 
matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the phone really high and 
got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not recognize a bit of text.

With KNFB: I center the camera, lift it up, take a couple field of views to 
orient, take a picture and it reads the sheet almost immediately, with very few 
flaws at all.

In each case I'm using the same camera and positioning it in the same way. I 
can only conclude, then, that it is a difference in the apps.

Seeing AI's short text feature in this case actually worked better than the 
document channel, for some reason, but typically still gives garbled text ap 
some points and will also stop if you move the camera even a milimeter.

So, I think with a few exceptions I'll be sticking with KNFB Reader.




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RE: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[Cristóbal]

Can’t remember the last time I used KNFBReader on my phone. Immediacy of 
scanning results is what makes me partial to SeeingAI hands down at this point. 
Even if scanning results were marginally better in KNFBReader, the fact that 
you can get feedback almost instantaneously in SeeingAI 

Would for me anyway outweigh the difference in OCR results. That and the added 
channels too. KNFBReader’s got some major catching up to do.

 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, January 19, 2018 12:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

 

That is not my experience at all. 

But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.

With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera to 
a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text mode is 
to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or changes the 
focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't really designed 
for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel is for.

But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.

Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update this 
year for KNFB.

Something I've asked for since it was released.

Here's hoping it finally happens.

Richard

 





(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)


On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson <kelbycarl...@gmail.com 
<mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com> > wrote:

So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper documents. 
So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to really compare 
KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though I bought it) and 
Seeing AI.

My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by a 
country mile.

Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the basic 
information about a case. When trying to do the document channel with Seeing 
AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was not visible no 
matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the phone really high and 
got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not recognize a bit of text.

With KNFB: I center the camera, lift it up, take a couple field of views to 
orient, take a picture and it reads the sheet almost immediately, with very few 
flaws at all.

In each case I'm using the same camera and positioning it in the same way. I 
can only conclude, then, that it is a difference in the apps.

Seeing AI's short text feature in this case actually worked better than the 
document channel, for some reason, but typically still gives garbled text ap 
some points and will also stop if you move the camera even a milimeter.

So, I think with a few exceptions I'll be sticking with KNFB Reader.




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Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[K. Scott Carlson]

Do you know to what degree things like coloring, greyscale, boxes and
odd fonts can affect Seeing AI's processing of documents? I suspect
with the docket sheets I just described, Seeing AI might be having
problems for that reason. like you, i've had pretty good luck with
Seeing AI when scanning normal documents, but not so much stuff like
this.

On 1/19/18, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
> That is not my experience at all.
> But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.
> With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera
> to a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text
> mode is to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or
> changes the focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't
> really designed for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel
> is for.
> But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.
> Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update
> this year for KNFB.
> Something I've asked for since it was released.
> Here's hoping it finally happens.
> Richard
>
>
>
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
>
> On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson
> <kelbycarl...@gmail.com<mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:
>
> So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper
> documents. So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to
> really compare KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though I
> bought it) and Seeing AI.
>
> My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by a
> country mile.
>
> Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the
> basic information about a case. When trying to do the document channel with
> Seeing AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was not
> visible no matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the phone
> really high and got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not
> recognize a bit of text.
>
> With KNFB: I center the camera, lift it up, take a couple field of views to
> orient, take a picture and it reads the sheet almost immediately, with very
> few flaws at all.
>
> In each case I'm using the same camera and positioning it in the same way. I
> can only conclude, then, that it is a difference in the apps.
>
> Seeing AI's short text feature in this case actually worked better than the
> document channel, for some reason, but typically still gives garbled text ap
> some points and will also stop if you move the camera even a milimeter.
>
> So, I think with a few exceptions I'll be sticking with KNFB Reader.
>
>
>
>
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Re: KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[Richard Turner]

That is not my experience at all.
But, if you do not care about document layout, then KNFB is faster.
With the Short Text mode, once it starts reading the page, point the camera to 
a blank spot on your desk, because the entire point of the short text mode is 
to read on the fly, so any movement that focuses on other text, or changes the 
focus on the same text, will be treated as a new scan. It isn't really designed 
for whole page scanning, that is what the document channel is for.
But, if it doesn't work for you, sticking with KNFB makes perfect sense.
Scott White, at NFB, tells me that format retention should be in an update this 
year for KNFB.
Something I've asked for since it was released.
Here's hoping it finally happens.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Jan 19, 2018, at 12:24 PM, kelby carlson 
<kelbycarl...@gmail.com<mailto:kelbycarl...@gmail.com>> wrote:

So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper documents. 
So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to really compare 
KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though I bought it) and 
Seeing AI.

My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by a 
country mile.

Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the basic 
information about a case. When trying to do the document channel with Seeing 
AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was not visible no 
matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the phone really high and 
got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not recognize a bit of text.

With KNFB: I center the camera, lift it up, take a couple field of views to 
orient, take a picture and it reads the sheet almost immediately, with very few 
flaws at all.

In each case I'm using the same camera and positioning it in the same way. I 
can only conclude, then, that it is a difference in the apps.

Seeing AI's short text feature in this case actually worked better than the 
document channel, for some reason, but typically still gives garbled text ap 
some points and will also stop if you move the camera even a milimeter.

So, I think with a few exceptions I'll be sticking with KNFB Reader.




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KNFB Reader v. Seeing AI

[kelby carlson]

So, I'm now working in a court and have to deal with lots of paper documents. 
So I am using OCR much more. This has given me the chance to really compare 
KNFB Reader (which I honestly hadn't used much even though I bought it) and 
Seeing AI.

My conclusion: KNFB still beats Seeing AI for scanning print documents by a 
country mile.

Take what is called a "face sheet" for a docket, which contains all the basic 
information about a case. When trying to do the document channel with Seeing 
AI, it would continually tellm me that one or more edges was not visible no 
matter how much I adjusted the phone. When I raised the phone really high and 
got a "hold steady" it would take a picture but not recognize a bit of text.

With KNFB: I center the camera, lift it up, take a couple field of views to 
orient, take a picture and it reads the sheet almost immediately, with very few 
flaws at all.

In each case I'm using the same camera and positioning it in the same way. I 
can only conclude, then, that it is a difference in the apps.

Seeing AI's short text feature in this case actually worked better than the 
document channel, for some reason, but typically still gives garbled text ap 
some points and will also stop if you move the camera even a milimeter.

So, I think with a few exceptions I'll be sticking with KNFB Reader.




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Issues with KNFB Reader

[turab chimthanawala]

Hi all
Hope this mail finds you well. Since the past few months, my KNFB
reader app seems to abruptly shut down while performing certain
operations. For instance few days back when I tried to save a scanned
file into a different format by clicking on share, the app would
abruptly shut down. Also the app sometimes tends to hang, while trying
to save a document
Any idea?
Best
Turab.

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Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

[Richard Turner]

In the early days of the app, and maybe it is still true, you had to pick the 
KNFB file first.
Then you could cancel and pick something else and it would work.
I'd try picking the KNFB format and sending a file to yourself and then try 
another format like plain text.
HTH,
Richard


(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Nov 12, 2017, at 5:28 AM, Chris Chaffin 
> wrote:

I did try sharing a file and the app did not crash on me running ios 11.1 on an 
iPhone 6.  So hopefully that means that it should be fixable.  So this is what 
I would try.

* First, I would remove everything from the app switcher and restart my phone.  
This is giving everything a fresh start.
*  If that does not work, I would then try a reset, holding down the power and 
home button for 10 seconds, or power and volume button if newer phone.
*  And if none of that works, I would delete the app, restart my phone, then 
reinstall the app.

This is all I know to try unless someone knows of something else.

Good luck and let us know.

Chris


On Nov 12, 2017, at 5:47 AM, 'Sandratomkins' via VIPhone 
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Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

[Chris Chaffin]

I did try sharing a file and the app did not crash on me running ios 11.1 on an 
iPhone 6.  So hopefully that means that it should be fixable.  So this is what 
I would try.

* First, I would remove everything from the app switcher and restart my phone.  
This is giving everything a fresh start.
*  If that does not work, I would then try a reset, holding down the power and 
home button for 10 seconds, or power and volume button if newer phone.
*  And if none of that works, I would delete the app, restart my phone, then 
reinstall the app.

This is all I know to try unless someone knows of something else.

Good luck and let us know.

Chris


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Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

['Sandratomkins' via VIPhone]

I find a forefinger single tap towards the top of the screen works for me.
Sandy

sent from the dark side of the moon

> On 11 Nov 2017, at 15:14, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> Turab,
> Chris's method works much better than what I gave you. Mine is the original 
> method, given in the manual, but touching the file with one finger and 
> flicking up to share works much better.
> Thanks Chris.
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
> 
> On Nov 11, 2017, at 5:12 AM, Chris Chaffin <chaffin102...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I have never had this problem, but have you tried exploring the screen with 
>> your finger and find and put focus on the back button that way?
>> Just for information, the back button is in the top left corner.
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Judy Pryor <judypry...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a question about KNFB the only way I can get the back button to work 
>>> after scaning is to use a BT keyboard. To do it by flicking up just goes 
>>> back into what I have just scanned. I have tried putting the phone on the 
>>> table but no good. I have am SE running 10.33
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 10 Nov 2017, at 18:57, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Did you close all apps and reboot the phone?
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Richard Turner
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:45 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
>>>>  
>>>> I never got that far.
>>>> The write a review wouldn’t activate.  I’ve done lots of reviews and have 
>>>> never had this happen.
>>>> Richard
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:39 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
>>>>  
>>>> Did you make sure you filled in all fields, I wrote a review the other day 
>>>> and forgot that the first edit field was the title, I had written my 
>>>> review there and then the Submit button was unavailable. As soon as I 
>>>> selected all the text I had written, cut it and pasted it to the correct 
>>>> field and then went back and put in a a short title in the first field the 
>>>> submit buttom was available.
>>>>  
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Richard Turner
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 7:11 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> While Seeing AI needs to be a bit higher off the page, it does a better 
>>>> job in the document channel than KNFB Reader and it is free.
>>>> It maintains the format of the original text more than other OCR apps and 
>>>> since KNFB Reader ignores all formatting, it is my go to app for scanning 
>>>> whole pages.
>>>> I just tried to enter a review in the app store for KNFB Reader and the 
>>>> Write a Review button did nothing. My sighted wife, with VoiceOver off, 
>>>> couldn't activate the button either.
>>>>  
>>>> All other buttons and links worked fine.
>>>> It could be that KNFB Reader is on its way out.
>>>> Richard
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
>>>> flying.
>>>> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
>>>> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 10, 2017, at 6:41 AM, Mr. Ed <pink...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Turab,
>>>> Try using the Seeing AI app to scan your documents as it keep all the 
>>>> original text.
>>>> Mr. Ed 
>>>> 
>>>> -Original Message-
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of turab ch

Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

[Turabh]

Hi Chris
Thanks for the suggestion 
But when I  click on any other file types  than  KNFBREADER  type the app  
closes down abruptly 
Turab

Sent from my iPhone

> On 11-Nov-2017, at 8:42 PM, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> Judy,
> Do you know about the two finger scrub?
> That will activate the back button.
> I've found that if you put two fingers on the screen and keep contact on the 
> screen while you do a very fast circle a little larger than a quarter, it 
> works every time. Some people have trouble with the standard scrub gesture 
> which is quickly making a print Z.
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
> 
> On Nov 11, 2017, at 5:12 AM, Chris Chaffin <chaffin102...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I have never had this problem, but have you tried exploring the screen with 
>> your finger and find and put focus on the back button that way?
>> Just for information, the back button is in the top left corner.
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Judy Pryor <judypry...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a question about KNFB the only way I can get the back button to work 
>>> after scaning is to use a BT keyboard. To do it by flicking up just goes 
>>> back into what I have just scanned. I have tried putting the phone on the 
>>> table but no good. I have am SE running 10.33
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 10 Nov 2017, at 18:57, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Did you close all apps and reboot the phone?
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Richard Turner
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:45 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
>>>>  
>>>> I never got that far.
>>>> The write a review wouldn’t activate.  I’ve done lots of reviews and have 
>>>> never had this happen.
>>>> Richard
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:39 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
>>>>  
>>>> Did you make sure you filled in all fields, I wrote a review the other day 
>>>> and forgot that the first edit field was the title, I had written my 
>>>> review there and then the Submit button was unavailable. As soon as I 
>>>> selected all the text I had written, cut it and pasted it to the correct 
>>>> field and then went back and put in a a short title in the first field the 
>>>> submit buttom was available.
>>>>  
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Richard Turner
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 7:11 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> While Seeing AI needs to be a bit higher off the page, it does a better 
>>>> job in the document channel than KNFB Reader and it is free.
>>>> It maintains the format of the original text more than other OCR apps and 
>>>> since KNFB Reader ignores all formatting, it is my go to app for scanning 
>>>> whole pages.
>>>> I just tried to enter a review in the app store for KNFB Reader and the 
>>>> Write a Review button did nothing. My sighted wife, with VoiceOver off, 
>>>> couldn't activate the button either.
>>>>  
>>>> All other buttons and links worked fine.
>>>> It could be that KNFB Reader is on its way out.
>>>> Richard
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
>>>> flying.
>>>> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
>>>> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 10, 2017, at 6:41 AM, Mr. Ed <pink...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Turab,
>>>> Try using the Seeing AI app to scan your documents as it keep all the 
>>>> original text.
>>>

Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

[Judy Pryor]

Thanks so much Richard I didnt know about that type of scrub. I tried it on 
your email and it worked well. Will try it on KNFB later.
Judy

Sent from my iPhone

> On 11 Nov 2017, at 15:12, Richard Turner <richardturne...@outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> Judy,
> Do you know about the two finger scrub?
> That will activate the back button.
> I've found that if you put two fingers on the screen and keep contact on the 
> screen while you do a very fast circle a little larger than a quarter, it 
> works every time. Some people have trouble with the standard scrub gesture 
> which is quickly making a print Z.
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
> 
> (Sent from the iPod Touch 6)
> 
> On Nov 11, 2017, at 5:12 AM, Chris Chaffin <chaffin102...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> I have never had this problem, but have you tried exploring the screen with 
>> your finger and find and put focus on the back button that way?
>> Just for information, the back button is in the top left corner.
>> 
>> Hope this helps,
>> 
>> Chris
>> 
>> 
>> On Nov 11, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Judy Pryor <judypry...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have a question about KNFB the only way I can get the back button to work 
>>> after scaning is to use a BT keyboard. To do it by flicking up just goes 
>>> back into what I have just scanned. I have tried putting the phone on the 
>>> table but no good. I have am SE running 10.33
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>> On 10 Nov 2017, at 18:57, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> Did you close all apps and reboot the phone?
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Richard Turner
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:45 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
>>>>  
>>>> I never got that far.
>>>> The write a review wouldn’t activate.  I’ve done lots of reviews and have 
>>>> never had this happen.
>>>> Richard
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:39 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
>>>>  
>>>> Did you make sure you filled in all fields, I wrote a review the other day 
>>>> and forgot that the first edit field was the title, I had written my 
>>>> review there and then the Submit button was unavailable. As soon as I 
>>>> selected all the text I had written, cut it and pasted it to the correct 
>>>> field and then went back and put in a a short title in the first field the 
>>>> submit buttom was available.
>>>>  
>>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>>> Of Richard Turner
>>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 7:11 AM
>>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>>> Subject: Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> While Seeing AI needs to be a bit higher off the page, it does a better 
>>>> job in the document channel than KNFB Reader and it is free.
>>>> It maintains the format of the original text more than other OCR apps and 
>>>> since KNFB Reader ignores all formatting, it is my go to app for scanning 
>>>> whole pages.
>>>> I just tried to enter a review in the app store for KNFB Reader and the 
>>>> Write a Review button did nothing. My sighted wife, with VoiceOver off, 
>>>> couldn't activate the button either.
>>>>  
>>>> All other buttons and links worked fine.
>>>> It could be that KNFB Reader is on its way out.
>>>> Richard
>>>>  
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
>>>> flying.
>>>> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
>>>> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
>>>> 
>>>>  
>>>> 
>>>> On Nov 10, 2017, at 6:41 AM, Mr. Ed <pink...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hi Turab,
>>>> Try using the Seeing AI app to scan your documents as it keep all the 
>>>> original text.
>>>> Mr. Ed

Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

[Judy Pryor]

Thanks Chris I do know where the back button is. I have had this problem for 
about 6 weeks or so. Before that it worked ok.
Judy

Sent from my iPhone

> On 11 Nov 2017, at 13:12, Chris Chaffin <chaffin102...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I have never had this problem, but have you tried exploring the screen with 
> your finger and find and put focus on the back button that way?
> Just for information, the back button is in the top left corner.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Chris
> 
> 
>> On Nov 11, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Judy Pryor <judypry...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I have a question about KNFB the only way I can get the back button to work 
>> after scaning is to use a BT keyboard. To do it by flicking up just goes 
>> back into what I have just scanned. I have tried putting the phone on the 
>> table but no good. I have am SE running 10.33
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>> On 10 Nov 2017, at 18:57, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Did you close all apps and reboot the phone?
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:45 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
>>>  
>>> I never got that far.
>>> The write a review wouldn’t activate.  I’ve done lots of reviews and have 
>>> never had this happen.
>>> Richard
>>>  
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:39 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
>>>  
>>> Did you make sure you filled in all fields, I wrote a review the other day 
>>> and forgot that the first edit field was the title, I had written my review 
>>> there and then the Submit button was unavailable. As soon as I selected all 
>>> the text I had written, cut it and pasted it to the correct field and then 
>>> went back and put in a a short title in the first field the submit buttom 
>>> was available.
>>>  
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of Richard Turner
>>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 7:11 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
>>>  
>>>  
>>> While Seeing AI needs to be a bit higher off the page, it does a better job 
>>> in the document channel than KNFB Reader and it is free.
>>> It maintains the format of the original text more than other OCR apps and 
>>> since KNFB Reader ignores all formatting, it is my go to app for scanning 
>>> whole pages.
>>> I just tried to enter a review in the app store for KNFB Reader and the 
>>> Write a Review button did nothing. My sighted wife, with VoiceOver off, 
>>> couldn't activate the button either.
>>>  
>>> All other buttons and links worked fine.
>>> It could be that KNFB Reader is on its way out.
>>> Richard
>>>  
>>>  
>>> 
>>> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
>>> flying.
>>> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
>>> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> On Nov 10, 2017, at 6:41 AM, Mr. Ed <pink...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hi Turab,
>>> Try using the Seeing AI app to scan your documents as it keep all the 
>>> original text.
>>> Mr. Ed 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>>> Of turab chimthanawala
>>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:13 PM
>>> To: viphone
>>> Subject: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
>>> 
>>> Hi all
>>> Seek inputs on the following
>>> 1. How to convert images scanned via KNFB reader to read them on a computer.
>>> 2. Often while importing text images from whatsapp to KNFB reader, they get 
>>> quite distorted. Apart from improving the quality of the photo and the 
>>> paper being captured, is there any inbult function in the KNFB reader so 
>>> that it can make better sense of the text in the image?
>>> 
>>> Thanks in anticipation
>>> Best

Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

[Richard Turner]

Turab,
Chris's method works much better than what I gave you. Mine is the original 
method, given in the manual, but touching the file with one finger and flicking 
up to share works much better.
Thanks Chris.
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Nov 11, 2017, at 5:12 AM, Chris Chaffin 
<chaffin102...@gmail.com<mailto:chaffin102...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I have never had this problem, but have you tried exploring the screen with 
your finger and find and put focus on the back button that way?
Just for information, the back button is in the top left corner.

Hope this helps,

Chris


On Nov 11, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Judy Pryor 
<judypry...@gmail.com<mailto:judypry...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I have a question about KNFB the only way I can get the back button to work 
after scaning is to use a BT keyboard. To do it by flicking up just goes back 
into what I have just scanned. I have tried putting the phone on the table but 
no good. I have am SE running 10.33

Sent from my iPhone

On 10 Nov 2017, at 18:57, Sieghard Weitzel 
<siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Did you close all apps and reboot the phone?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

I never got that far.
The write a review wouldn’t activate.  I’ve done lots of reviews and have never 
had this happen.
Richard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

Did you make sure you filled in all fields, I wrote a review the other day and 
forgot that the first edit field was the title, I had written my review there 
and then the Submit button was unavailable. As soon as I selected all the text 
I had written, cut it and pasted it to the correct field and then went back and 
put in a a short title in the first field the submit buttom was available.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 7:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader


While Seeing AI needs to be a bit higher off the page, it does a better job in 
the document channel than KNFB Reader and it is free.
It maintains the format of the original text more than other OCR apps and since 
KNFB Reader ignores all formatting, it is my go to app for scanning whole pages.
I just tried to enter a review in the app store for KNFB Reader and the Write a 
Review button did nothing. My sighted wife, with VoiceOver off, couldn't 
activate the button either.

All other buttons and links worked fine.
It could be that KNFB Reader is on its way out.
Richard


"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."



On Nov 10, 2017, at 6:41 AM, Mr. Ed 
<pink...@abe.midco.net<mailto:pink...@abe.midco.net>> wrote:
Hi Turab,
Try using the Seeing AI app to scan your documents as it keep all the original 
text.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of turab chimthanawala
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:13 PM
To: viphone
Subject: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

Hi all
Seek inputs on the following
1. How to convert images scanned via KNFB reader to read them on a computer.
2. Often while importing text images from whatsapp to KNFB reader, they get 
quite distorted. Apart from improving the quality of the photo and the paper 
being captured, is there any inbult function in the KNFB reader so that it can 
make better sense of the text in the image?

Thanks in anticipation
Best
Turab

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Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

[Richard Turner]

Judy,
Do you know about the two finger scrub?
That will activate the back button.
I've found that if you put two fingers on the screen and keep contact on the 
screen while you do a very fast circle a little larger than a quarter, it works 
every time. Some people have trouble with the standard scrub gesture which is 
quickly making a print Z.
HTH,
Richard



(Sent from the iPod Touch 6)

On Nov 11, 2017, at 5:12 AM, Chris Chaffin 
<chaffin102...@gmail.com<mailto:chaffin102...@gmail.com>> wrote:


I have never had this problem, but have you tried exploring the screen with 
your finger and find and put focus on the back button that way?
Just for information, the back button is in the top left corner.

Hope this helps,

Chris


On Nov 11, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Judy Pryor 
<judypry...@gmail.com<mailto:judypry...@gmail.com>> wrote:

I have a question about KNFB the only way I can get the back button to work 
after scaning is to use a BT keyboard. To do it by flicking up just goes back 
into what I have just scanned. I have tried putting the phone on the table but 
no good. I have am SE running 10.33

Sent from my iPhone

On 10 Nov 2017, at 18:57, Sieghard Weitzel 
<siegh...@live.ca<mailto:siegh...@live.ca>> wrote:

Did you close all apps and reboot the phone?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

I never got that far.
The write a review wouldn’t activate.  I’ve done lots of reviews and have never 
had this happen.
Richard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

Did you make sure you filled in all fields, I wrote a review the other day and 
forgot that the first edit field was the title, I had written my review there 
and then the Submit button was unavailable. As soon as I selected all the text 
I had written, cut it and pasted it to the correct field and then went back and 
put in a a short title in the first field the submit buttom was available.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 7:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader


While Seeing AI needs to be a bit higher off the page, it does a better job in 
the document channel than KNFB Reader and it is free.
It maintains the format of the original text more than other OCR apps and since 
KNFB Reader ignores all formatting, it is my go to app for scanning whole pages.
I just tried to enter a review in the app store for KNFB Reader and the Write a 
Review button did nothing. My sighted wife, with VoiceOver off, couldn't 
activate the button either.

All other buttons and links worked fine.
It could be that KNFB Reader is on its way out.
Richard


"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."



On Nov 10, 2017, at 6:41 AM, Mr. Ed 
<pink...@abe.midco.net<mailto:pink...@abe.midco.net>> wrote:
Hi Turab,
Try using the Seeing AI app to scan your documents as it keep all the original 
text.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of turab chimthanawala
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:13 PM
To: viphone
Subject: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

Hi all
Seek inputs on the following
1. How to convert images scanned via KNFB reader to read them on a computer.
2. Often while importing text images from whatsapp to KNFB reader, they get 
quite distorted. Apart from improving the quality of the photo and the paper 
being captured, is there any inbult function in the KNFB reader so that it can 
make better sense of the text in the image?

Thanks in anticipation
Best
Turab

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Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

[Chris Chaffin]

I have never had this problem, but have you tried exploring the screen with 
your finger and find and put focus on the back button that way?
Just for information, the back button is in the top left corner.

Hope this helps,

Chris


> On Nov 11, 2017, at 7:56 AM, Judy Pryor <judypry...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a question about KNFB the only way I can get the back button to work 
> after scaning is to use a BT keyboard. To do it by flicking up just goes back 
> into what I have just scanned. I have tried putting the phone on the table 
> but no good. I have am SE running 10.33
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 10 Nov 2017, at 18:57, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Did you close all apps and reboot the phone?
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:45 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
>>  
>> I never got that far.
>> The write a review wouldn’t activate.  I’ve done lots of reviews and have 
>> never had this happen.
>> Richard
>>  
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:39 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
>>  
>> Did you make sure you filled in all fields, I wrote a review the other day 
>> and forgot that the first edit field was the title, I had written my review 
>> there and then the Submit button was unavailable. As soon as I selected all 
>> the text I had written, cut it and pasted it to the correct field and then 
>> went back and put in a a short title in the first field the submit buttom 
>> was available.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 7:11 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
>>  
>>  
>> While Seeing AI needs to be a bit higher off the page, it does a better job 
>> in the document channel than KNFB Reader and it is free.
>> It maintains the format of the original text more than other OCR apps and 
>> since KNFB Reader ignores all formatting, it is my go to app for scanning 
>> whole pages.
>> I just tried to enter a review in the app store for KNFB Reader and the 
>> Write a Review button did nothing. My sighted wife, with VoiceOver off, 
>> couldn't activate the button either.
>>  
>> All other buttons and links worked fine.
>> It could be that KNFB Reader is on its way out.
>> Richard
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
>> flying.
>> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
>> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Nov 10, 2017, at 6:41 AM, Mr. Ed <pink...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Turab,
>> Try using the Seeing AI app to scan your documents as it keep all the 
>> original text.
>> Mr. Ed 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of turab chimthanawala
>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:13 PM
>> To: viphone
>> Subject: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
>> 
>> Hi all
>> Seek inputs on the following
>> 1. How to convert images scanned via KNFB reader to read them on a computer.
>> 2. Often while importing text images from whatsapp to KNFB reader, they get 
>> quite distorted. Apart from improving the quality of the photo and the paper 
>> being captured, is there any inbult function in the KNFB reader so that it 
>> can make better sense of the text in the image?
>> 
>> Thanks in anticipation
>> Best
>> Turab
>> 
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Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

[Chris Chaffin]

To share a file in KNFB Reader, go to file explorer, swipe to the file you want 
to share, flick up with one finger and double tap on share.  It should ask to 
choose file type, swipe to the file type and double tap, then the share sheet 
should pop up.  Choose how you would like to share the file and double tap.

Hope this helps,

Chris


> On Nov 11, 2017, at 7:43 AM, Turabh <turab...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Richard thanks for the inputs. But after  tapping on edit and then  selecting 
> the document to be  exported the Share button though  present  is 
> unavailable. Am I making a mistake? 
> Turab 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On 11-Nov-2017, at 12:08 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
>> 
>> Did you make sure you filled in all fields, I wrote a review the other day 
>> and forgot that the first edit field was the title, I had written my review 
>> there and then the Submit button was unavailable. As soon as I selected all 
>> the text I had written, cut it and pasted it to the correct field and then 
>> went back and put in a a short title in the first field the submit buttom 
>> was available.
>>  
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of Richard Turner
>> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 7:11 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
>>  
>>  
>> While Seeing AI needs to be a bit higher off the page, it does a better job 
>> in the document channel than KNFB Reader and it is free.
>> It maintains the format of the original text more than other OCR apps and 
>> since KNFB Reader ignores all formatting, it is my go to app for scanning 
>> whole pages.
>> I just tried to enter a review in the app store for KNFB Reader and the 
>> Write a Review button did nothing. My sighted wife, with VoiceOver off, 
>> couldn't activate the button either.
>>  
>> All other buttons and links worked fine.
>> It could be that KNFB Reader is on its way out.
>> Richard
>>  
>>  
>> 
>> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
>> flying.
>> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
>> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Nov 10, 2017, at 6:41 AM, Mr. Ed <pink...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Turab,
>> Try using the Seeing AI app to scan your documents as it keep all the 
>> original text.
>> Mr. Ed 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf 
>> Of turab chimthanawala
>> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:13 PM
>> To: viphone
>> Subject: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
>> 
>> Hi all
>> Seek inputs on the following
>> 1. How to convert images scanned via KNFB reader to read them on a computer.
>> 2. Often while importing text images from whatsapp to KNFB reader, they get 
>> quite distorted. Apart from improving the quality of the photo and the paper 
>> being captured, is there any inbult function in the KNFB reader so that it 
>> can make better sense of the text in the image?
>> 
>> Thanks in anticipation
>> Best
>> Turab
>> 
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Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

[Judy Pryor]

I have a question about KNFB the only way I can get the back button to work 
after scaning is to use a BT keyboard. To do it by flicking up just goes back 
into what I have just scanned. I have tried putting the phone on the table but 
no good. I have am SE running 10.33

Sent from my iPhone

> On 10 Nov 2017, at 18:57, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Did you close all apps and reboot the phone?
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:45 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
>  
> I never got that far.
> The write a review wouldn’t activate.  I’ve done lots of reviews and have 
> never had this happen.
> Richard
>  
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:39 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
>  
> Did you make sure you filled in all fields, I wrote a review the other day 
> and forgot that the first edit field was the title, I had written my review 
> there and then the Submit button was unavailable. As soon as I selected all 
> the text I had written, cut it and pasted it to the correct field and then 
> went back and put in a a short title in the first field the submit buttom was 
> available.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 7:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
>  
>  
> While Seeing AI needs to be a bit higher off the page, it does a better job 
> in the document channel than KNFB Reader and it is free.
> It maintains the format of the original text more than other OCR apps and 
> since KNFB Reader ignores all formatting, it is my go to app for scanning 
> whole pages.
> I just tried to enter a review in the app store for KNFB Reader and the Write 
> a Review button did nothing. My sighted wife, with VoiceOver off, couldn't 
> activate the button either.
>  
> All other buttons and links worked fine.
> It could be that KNFB Reader is on its way out.
> Richard
>  
>  
> 
> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
> flying.
> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
> 
>  
> 
> On Nov 10, 2017, at 6:41 AM, Mr. Ed <pink...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Turab,
> Try using the Seeing AI app to scan your documents as it keep all the 
> original text.
> Mr. Ed 
> 
> -----Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> turab chimthanawala
> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:13 PM
> To: viphone
> Subject: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
> 
> Hi all
> Seek inputs on the following
> 1. How to convert images scanned via KNFB reader to read them on a computer.
> 2. Often while importing text images from whatsapp to KNFB reader, they get 
> quite distorted. Apart from improving the quality of the photo and the paper 
> being captured, is there any inbult function in the KNFB reader so that it 
> can make better sense of the text in the image?
> 
> Thanks in anticipation
> Best
> Turab
> 
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Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

[Turabh]

Richard thanks for the inputs. But after  tapping on edit and then  selecting 
the document to be  exported the Share button though  present  is unavailable. 
Am I making a mistake? 
Turab 

Sent from my iPhone

> On 11-Nov-2017, at 12:08 AM, Sieghard Weitzel <siegh...@live.ca> wrote:
> 
> Did you make sure you filled in all fields, I wrote a review the other day 
> and forgot that the first edit field was the title, I had written my review 
> there and then the Submit button was unavailable. As soon as I selected all 
> the text I had written, cut it and pasted it to the correct field and then 
> went back and put in a a short title in the first field the submit buttom was 
> available.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 7:11 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
>  
>  
> While Seeing AI needs to be a bit higher off the page, it does a better job 
> in the document channel than KNFB Reader and it is free.
> It maintains the format of the original text more than other OCR apps and 
> since KNFB Reader ignores all formatting, it is my go to app for scanning 
> whole pages.
> I just tried to enter a review in the app store for KNFB Reader and the Write 
> a Review button did nothing. My sighted wife, with VoiceOver off, couldn't 
> activate the button either.
>  
> All other buttons and links worked fine.
> It could be that KNFB Reader is on its way out.
> Richard
>  
>  
> 
> "The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of 
> flying.
> There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
> learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."
> 
>  
> 
> On Nov 10, 2017, at 6:41 AM, Mr. Ed <pink...@abe.midco.net> wrote:
> 
> Hi Turab,
> Try using the Seeing AI app to scan your documents as it keep all the 
> original text.
> Mr. Ed 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> turab chimthanawala
> Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:13 PM
> To: viphone
> Subject: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader
> 
> Hi all
> Seek inputs on the following
> 1. How to convert images scanned via KNFB reader to read them on a computer.
> 2. Often while importing text images from whatsapp to KNFB reader, they get 
> quite distorted. Apart from improving the quality of the photo and the paper 
> being captured, is there any inbult function in the KNFB reader so that it 
> can make better sense of the text in the image?
> 
> Thanks in anticipation
> Best
> Turab
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RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

[Richard Turner]

I had done that.
I think the App store was having issues as I just tried again and it worked.

Richard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

Did you close all apps and reboot the phone?


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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

I never got that far.
The write a review wouldn’t activate.  I’ve done lots of reviews and have never 
had this happen.
Richard


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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

Did you make sure you filled in all fields, I wrote a review the other day and 
forgot that the first edit field was the title, I had written my review there 
and then the Submit button was unavailable. As soon as I selected all the text 
I had written, cut it and pasted it to the correct field and then went back and 
put in a a short title in the first field the submit buttom was available.

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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 7:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader


While Seeing AI needs to be a bit higher off the page, it does a better job in 
the document channel than KNFB Reader and it is free.
It maintains the format of the original text more than other OCR apps and since 
KNFB Reader ignores all formatting, it is my go to app for scanning whole pages.
I just tried to enter a review in the app store for KNFB Reader and the Write a 
Review button did nothing. My sighted wife, with VoiceOver off, couldn't 
activate the button either.

All other buttons and links worked fine.
It could be that KNFB Reader is on its way out.
Richard


"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."



On Nov 10, 2017, at 6:41 AM, Mr. Ed 
<pink...@abe.midco.net<mailto:pink...@abe.midco.net>> wrote:
Hi Turab,
Try using the Seeing AI app to scan your documents as it keep all the original 
text.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of turab chimthanawala
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:13 PM
To: viphone
Subject: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

Hi all
Seek inputs on the following
1. How to convert images scanned via KNFB reader to read them on a computer.
2. Often while importing text images from whatsapp to KNFB reader, they get 
quite distorted. Apart from improving the quality of the photo and the paper 
being captured, is there any inbult function in the KNFB reader so that it can 
make better sense of the text in the image?

Thanks in anticipation
Best
Turab

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RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Did you close all apps and reboot the phone?


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:45 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

I never got that far.
The write a review wouldn’t activate.  I’ve done lots of reviews and have never 
had this happen.
Richard


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[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

Did you make sure you filled in all fields, I wrote a review the other day and 
forgot that the first edit field was the title, I had written my review there 
and then the Submit button was unavailable. As soon as I selected all the text 
I had written, cut it and pasted it to the correct field and then went back and 
put in a a short title in the first field the submit buttom was available.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 7:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader


While Seeing AI needs to be a bit higher off the page, it does a better job in 
the document channel than KNFB Reader and it is free.
It maintains the format of the original text more than other OCR apps and since 
KNFB Reader ignores all formatting, it is my go to app for scanning whole pages.
I just tried to enter a review in the app store for KNFB Reader and the Write a 
Review button did nothing. My sighted wife, with VoiceOver off, couldn't 
activate the button either.

All other buttons and links worked fine.
It could be that KNFB Reader is on its way out.
Richard


"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."



On Nov 10, 2017, at 6:41 AM, Mr. Ed 
<pink...@abe.midco.net<mailto:pink...@abe.midco.net>> wrote:
Hi Turab,
Try using the Seeing AI app to scan your documents as it keep all the original 
text.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of turab chimthanawala
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:13 PM
To: viphone
Subject: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

Hi all
Seek inputs on the following
1. How to convert images scanned via KNFB reader to read them on a computer.
2. Often while importing text images from whatsapp to KNFB reader, they get 
quite distorted. Apart from improving the quality of the photo and the paper 
being captured, is there any inbult function in the KNFB reader so that it can 
make better sense of the text in the image?

Thanks in anticipation
Best
Turab

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RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

[Richard Turner]

I never got that far.
The write a review wouldn’t activate.  I’ve done lots of reviews and have never 
had this happen.
Richard


From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 10:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

Did you make sure you filled in all fields, I wrote a review the other day and 
forgot that the first edit field was the title, I had written my review there 
and then the Submit button was unavailable. As soon as I selected all the text 
I had written, cut it and pasted it to the correct field and then went back and 
put in a a short title in the first field the submit buttom was available.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 7:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>
Subject: Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader


While Seeing AI needs to be a bit higher off the page, it does a better job in 
the document channel than KNFB Reader and it is free.
It maintains the format of the original text more than other OCR apps and since 
KNFB Reader ignores all formatting, it is my go to app for scanning whole pages.
I just tried to enter a review in the app store for KNFB Reader and the Write a 
Review button did nothing. My sighted wife, with VoiceOver off, couldn't 
activate the button either.

All other buttons and links worked fine.
It could be that KNFB Reader is on its way out.
Richard


"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."



On Nov 10, 2017, at 6:41 AM, Mr. Ed 
<pink...@abe.midco.net<mailto:pink...@abe.midco.net>> wrote:
Hi Turab,
Try using the Seeing AI app to scan your documents as it keep all the original 
text.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of turab chimthanawala
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:13 PM
To: viphone
Subject: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

Hi all
Seek inputs on the following
1. How to convert images scanned via KNFB reader to read them on a computer.
2. Often while importing text images from whatsapp to KNFB reader, they get 
quite distorted. Apart from improving the quality of the photo and the paper 
being captured, is there any inbult function in the KNFB reader so that it can 
make better sense of the text in the image?

Thanks in anticipation
Best
Turab

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RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Did you make sure you filled in all fields, I wrote a review the other day and 
forgot that the first edit field was the title, I had written my review there 
and then the Submit button was unavailable. As soon as I selected all the text 
I had written, cut it and pasted it to the correct field and then went back and 
put in a a short title in the first field the submit buttom was available.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Friday, November 10, 2017 7:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader


While Seeing AI needs to be a bit higher off the page, it does a better job in 
the document channel than KNFB Reader and it is free.
It maintains the format of the original text more than other OCR apps and since 
KNFB Reader ignores all formatting, it is my go to app for scanning whole pages.
I just tried to enter a review in the app store for KNFB Reader and the Write a 
Review button did nothing. My sighted wife, with VoiceOver off, couldn't 
activate the button either.

All other buttons and links worked fine.
It could be that KNFB Reader is on its way out.
Richard


"The Hitch Hiker's Guide to the Galaxy has this to say on the subject of flying.
There is an art, it says, or rather, a knack to flying. The knack lies in 
learning how to throw yourself at the ground and miss."



On Nov 10, 2017, at 6:41 AM, Mr. Ed 
<pink...@abe.midco.net<mailto:pink...@abe.midco.net>> wrote:
Hi Turab,
Try using the Seeing AI app to scan your documents as it keep all the original 
text.
Mr. Ed

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
[mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of turab chimthanawala
Sent: Thursday, November 09, 2017 9:13 PM
To: viphone
Subject: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

Hi all
Seek inputs on the following
1. How to convert images scanned via KNFB reader to read them on a computer.
2. Often while importing text images from whatsapp to KNFB reader, they get 
quite distorted. Apart from improving the quality of the photo and the paper 
being captured, is there any inbult function in the KNFB reader so that it can 
make better sense of the text in the image?

Thanks in anticipation
Best
Turab

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Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

[Richard Turner]

While Seeing AI needs to be a bit higher off the page, it does a better job in 
the document channel than KNFB Reader and it is free.
It maintains the format of the original text more than other OCR apps and since 
KNFB Reader ignores all formatting, it is my go to app for scanning whole pages.
I just tried to enter a review in the app store for KNFB Reader and the Write a 
Review button did nothing. My sighted wife, with VoiceOver off, couldn't 
activate the button either.

All other buttons and links worked fine.
It could be that KNFB Reader is on its way out.
Richard



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On Nov 10, 2017, at 6:41 AM, Mr. Ed 
<pink...@abe.midco.net<mailto:pink...@abe.midco.net>> wrote:

Hi Turab,
Try using the Seeing AI app to scan your documents as it keep all the original 
text.
Mr. Ed

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Hi all
Seek inputs on the following
1. How to convert images scanned via KNFB reader to read them on a computer.
2. Often while importing text images from whatsapp to KNFB reader, they get 
quite distorted. Apart from improving the quality of the photo and the paper 
being captured, is there any inbult function in the KNFB reader so that it can 
make better sense of the text in the image?

Thanks in anticipation
Best
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RE: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

[Mr. Ed]

Hi Turab,
Try using the Seeing AI app to scan your documents as it keep all the original 
text.
Mr. Ed 

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Subject: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

Hi all
Seek inputs on the following
1. How to convert images scanned via KNFB reader to read them on a computer.
2. Often while importing text images from whatsapp to KNFB reader, they get 
quite distorted. Apart from improving the quality of the photo and the paper 
being captured, is there any inbult function in the KNFB reader so that it can 
make better sense of the text in the image?

Thanks in anticipation
Best
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Re: Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

[Richard Turner]

Hi Turab,
When you have scanned anything with KNFB reader, and saved the file, you can 
export the file as plain text.
Open the File Explorer in KNFB Reader.
Double tap on edit.
Then double tap on the file you want to export.
Then go back to the Share button and double tap.
Then you can choose how to get it to your computer. You can email, copy to one 
drive, dropbox, etc.
No, KNFB Reader can not improve on the quality of an image.
HTH,
Richard

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Seek inputs on the following
1. How to convert images scanned via KNFB reader to read them on a computer.
2. Often while importing text images from whatsapp to KNFB reader,
they get quite distorted. Apart from improving the quality of the
photo and the paper being captured, is there any inbult function in
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image?

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Best
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Doubts pertaining to KNFB reader

[turab chimthanawala]

Hi all
Seek inputs on the following
1. How to convert images scanned via KNFB reader to read them on a computer.
2. Often while importing text images from whatsapp to KNFB reader,
they get quite distorted. Apart from improving the quality of the
photo and the paper being captured, is there any inbult function in
the KNFB reader so that it can make better sense of the text in the
image?

Thanks in anticipation
Best
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Questions about formatting and picture conversions using KNFB Reader app

[Jim Portillo]

Good morning,

 

Two questions for you.

A few weeks ago, I was in a class where some handouts were being passed out.
A friend of mine took a picture of the handout he got using my KNFB reader
app.  He'd never seen the app before, and was a bit skeptical about
something that happened while taking the picture.  He said that the
formatting didn't look right or didn't look as it did on the actual handout.
Does the formatting need to be edited or something?

It read OK when I took it home.  So, when the picture is taken, does the
formatting change in some way?  How can I make sure the formatting is the
same?

 

Yesterday, I was in the same class, and my friend accidently used my camera
to take a picture of some papers handed out.

So, now I just have a picture.  I seriously doubt that KNFB reader would
convert such a picture, right?

 

I think that next time, I'll just get my own copies of handouts.  We just
thought we were taking advantage of my pone and the apps.  If anyone knows
how to convert a picture using KNFB reader, I'd love to know.

 

Thanks.

Jim

 

 

 

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Re: KNFB Reader Pricing

[Christopher Chaltain]

My understanding is the same as Karl's. I'm not sure why people have to 
jump to the conclusion that there's something going on here or that 
anyone is playing games. I usually just take it at face value that 
Google is discounting an accessibility app for no other reason then 
helping out some blind people and getting some good will or press out of 
the deal. I'm happy for the blind people who can take advantage of this 
offer, and I don't resent it if I can't myself. The NFB also lumps it's 
share of praise on Apple as well.



On 10/04/2017 11:22 AM, Karl Smith wrote:


To my knowledge the $19.95 price for the Google version of the KNFB 
reader was available because of a donation from Google. As far as I 
know the product isn’t free but does allow the user to have 25 free 
scans before purchasing the product. The reason this doesn’t happen 
with Apple is because of Apple policies and isn’t under control of the 
NFB.


Karl

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*From:*viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] *On 
Behalf Of *Mary Otten

*Sent:* Wednesday, October 04, 2017 10:15 AM
*To:* viphone@googlegroups.com
*Subject:* Re: KNFB Reader Pricing

There is definitely some sort of deal with Google and the NFB. For the 
last couple of years, Google has been a "champion" of Accessibility 
according to the NFB. I don't think Apple place those games, hence no 
price break for Apple customers.

Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 4, 2017, at 8:48 AM, Donna <merma...@bellsouth.net 
<mailto:merma...@bellsouth.net>> wrote:


If Im not mistaken, the developer of the KNFB Reader made some
type of deal with Google. The Google price is usually $19.99. If
you got the app Free, great!

Donna

I suggest you read the fine print.

As I understand it, you have a free trial period with Android,
then the price is the same unless you come across a sale at
some point.

HTH,

Richard


On Oct 4, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tom Lange <lang...@gmail.com
<mailto:lang...@gmail.com>> wrote:



Hi,

Well, I now have one foot in the Apple camp and one in the
Google/Android camp and have been learning to use a
Samsung Galaxy S8 with Nougat and Talkback. It’s neat to
be able to “see how the other half lives”, so to speak, as
I’ll be able to gain some perspective on both devices, the
underlying approaches and philosophies and so on and I can
then pass that information on to my students.
As I explore and play around, naturally I’m loading the S8
up with various apps and am checking out the Play Store.
     While I was there yesterday I found KNFB Reader, noticed
that it’s free for Android users, so I promptly installed
it and put it to the test. I must say, its performance was
very impressive on the Samsung.  My question is why there
is a $100 price tag on KNFB Reader in the app store versus
no charge in the Play Store. What’s the story on that?
 Thanks,
Tom

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RE: KNFB Reader Pricing

[Karl Smith]

To my knowledge the $19.95 price for the Google version of the KNFB reader was 
available because of a donation from Google. As far as I know the product isn’t 
free but does allow the user to have 25 free scans before purchasing the 
product. The reason this doesn’t happen with Apple is because of Apple policies 
and isn’t under control of the NFB.

 

Karl

 

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4304 South El Camino St.

Taylorsville, Utah 84129

 

Phone: 866-824-7885

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E-mail: k...@axistech.net

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten
Sent: Wednesday, October 04, 2017 10:15 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: KNFB Reader Pricing

 

There is definitely some sort of deal with Google and the NFB. For the last 
couple of years, Google has been a "champion" of Accessibility according to the 
NFB. I don't think Apple place those games, hence no price break for Apple 
customers.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone


On Oct 4, 2017, at 8:48 AM, Donna <merma...@bellsouth.net> wrote:

If Im not mistaken, the developer of the KNFB Reader made some type of deal 
with Google. The Google price is usually $19.99. If you got the app Free, great!

 

Donna

 

 

I suggest you read the fine print.

As I understand it, you have a free trial period with Android, then the price 
is the same unless you come across a sale at some point.

HTH,

Richard

 


On Oct 4, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tom Lange <lang...@gmail.com> wrote:



Hi,

Well, I now have one foot in the Apple camp and one in the Google/Android camp 
and have been learning to use a Samsung Galaxy S8 with Nougat and Talkback. 
It’s neat to be able to “see how the other half lives”, so to speak, as I’ll be 
able to gain some perspective on both devices, the underlying approaches and 
philosophies and so on and I can then pass that information on to my students.  
As I explore and play around, naturally I’m loading the S8 up with various apps 
and am checking out the Play Store.  While I was there yesterday I found KNFB 
Reader, noticed that it’s free for Android users, so I promptly installed it 
and put it to the test. I must say, its performance was very impressive on the 
Samsung.  My question is why there is a $100 price tag on KNFB Reader in the 
app store versus no charge in the Play Store. What’s the story on that?  Thanks,
Tom

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Re: KNFB Reader Pricing

[Mary Otten]

There is definitely some sort of deal with Google and the NFB. For the last 
couple of years, Google has been a "champion" of Accessibility according to the 
NFB. I don't think Apple place those games, hence no price break for Apple 
customers.
Mary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Oct 4, 2017, at 8:48 AM, Donna <merma...@bellsouth.net> wrote:
> 
> If Im not mistaken, the developer of the KNFB Reader made some type of deal 
> with Google. The Google price is usually $19.99. If you got the app Free, 
> great!
> 
> Donna
> 
>> 
>> I suggest you read the fine print.
>> As I understand it, you have a free trial period with Android, then the 
>> price is the same unless you come across a sale at some point.
>> HTH,
>> Richard
>> 
>> 
>> On Oct 4, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tom Lange <lang...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Hi,
>>> 
>>> Well, I now have one foot in the Apple camp and one in the Google/Android 
>>> camp and have been learning to use a Samsung Galaxy S8 with Nougat and 
>>> Talkback. It’s neat to be able to “see how the other half lives”, so to 
>>> speak, as I’ll be able to gain some perspective on both devices, the 
>>> underlying approaches and philosophies and so on and I can then pass that 
>>> information on to my students.  
>>> As I explore and play around, naturally I’m loading the S8 up with various 
>>> apps and am checking out the Play Store.  While I was there yesterday I 
>>> found KNFB Reader, noticed that it’s free for Android users, so I promptly 
>>> installed it and put it to the test. I must say, its performance was very 
>>> impressive on the Samsung.  My question is why there is a $100 price tag on 
>>> KNFB Reader in the app store versus no charge in the Play Store. What’s the 
>>> story on that?  Thanks,
>>> Tom
>>> 
>>>  Sent from my iPhone 7
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Re: KNFB Reader Pricing

[Donna]

If Im not mistaken, the developer of the KNFB Reader made some type of deal 
with Google. The Google price is usually $19.99. If you got the app Free, great!

Donna
> 
> 
> I suggest you read the fine print.
> As I understand it, you have a free trial period with Android, then the price 
> is the same unless you come across a sale at some point.
> HTH,
> Richard
> 
> 
> On Oct 4, 2017, at 7:15 AM, Tom Lange <lang...@gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>> 
>> 
>> Hi,
>> 
>> Well, I now have one foot in the Apple camp and one in the Google/Android 
>> camp and have been learning to use a Samsung Galaxy S8 with Nougat and 
>> Talkback. It’s neat to be able to “see how the other half lives”, so to 
>> speak, as I’ll be able to gain some perspective on both devices, the 
>> underlying approaches and philosophies and so on and I can then pass that 
>> information on to my students.  
>> As I explore and play around, naturally I’m loading the S8 up with various 
>> apps and am checking out the Play Store.  While I was there yesterday I 
>> found KNFB Reader, noticed that it’s free for Android users, so I promptly 
>> installed it and put it to the test. I must say, its performance was very 
>> impressive on the Samsung.  My question is why there is a $100 price tag on 
>> KNFB Reader in the app store versus no charge in the Play Store. What’s the 
>> story on that?  Thanks,
>> Tom
>> 
>>  Sent from my iPhone 7
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