Re: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

[Wayne Merritt]

I got a 13 Pro last year. I had in mind that I would use the LiDar
functions to recognize things and people, but my life changed
drastically last year and I haven't used those features more than a
couple of times. I don't need a Pro level phone now. The next time I'm
eligable for an upgrade, I'll save some money and get the base model
of the phone.

Warmly,
Wayne

On 9/20/23, Christopher Chaltain  wrote:
> I found out later that this text detection feature is part of the magnifier,
> so it's the same thing Richard was referring to.
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary
> Otten
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 8:32 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
>
> It sounds like text detection does pretty much what all the other things
> like that envision AI or voice dream scanner etc. do when you hold your
> camera over some text. Whether it’s better or not then those abs, who knows?
> The point and shoot sort of thing that they also talk about sounds like it
> would be exceedingly frustrating for a totally blind person. And Thomas
> Dawnville admits that, saying that it’s probably better for someone with low
> vision who can see what they want but can’t read it.
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Sep 20, 2023, at 4:25 PM, Christopher Chaltain 
>> wrote:
>>
>> Text detection, a new feature in IOS 17 requires LiDAR. I'm not sure
>> what this does and how it's different than the text detection I get
>> with the camera now, but I don't have a LiDAR phone to test this with.
>> https://www.a/
>> pplevis.com%2Fpodcasts%2Fquick-tour-some-notable-new-enhanced-accessib
>> ility-features-ios-17=05%7C01%7C%7C2953876574dd46242f8a08dbba429e
>> d0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638308567535125277%7CU
>> nknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1ha
>> WwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=pw74UUifAMtEt9LdJ55KFps3s0S8vo
>> faL7dW9Z1Fa0c%3D=0
>>
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
>> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 6:06 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
>>
>> The magnifier built-in to iOS.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard, USA.
>> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch
>> with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the
>> Universe
>>
>> My web site:
>> https://www.t/
>> urner42.com%2F=05%7C01%7C%7C2953876574dd46242f8a08dbba429ed0%7C84
>> df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638308567535125277%7CUnknown%
>> 7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJX
>> VCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=W%2BkKwEPejcwf17C0mEoIIAkoGsgg%2FXDh1
>> BaEpl3qYpM%3D=0
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> paekstr...@gmail.com
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 3:07 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
>>
>> Hi Richard,
>>
>> When you mention the magnifier, are you referring to a specific app?
>>
>> Thanks,
>> Pam
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Richard Turner
>> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 5:19 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
>>
>> It does help with the door detection feature in the magnifier. Also the
>> image description and text identification and people ID in the magnifier
>> as well. There are a few apps using it for better object recognition and
>> distance of the object though I think that is only accurate within 15 or
>> 20 feet or something. The hope is more app developers will find ways to
>> use it. But, at this point, unless any of those things are high on your
>> list of important features, it may not be worth the extra money just for
>> that. Note, you get a better processor chip in the pro models too along
>> with possibly better battery life, so it isn't just LIDAR that you get in
>> the pro phones.
>>
>> Richard, USA
>> ——
>> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John
>> Wesley (Sent from my iPhone)
>>
>>> On Sep 20, 2023, at 2:06 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
>>>
>>> Hi I am i

RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

[Christopher Chaltain]

I found out later that this text detection feature is part of the magnifier, so 
it's the same thing Richard was referring to.

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 8:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

It sounds like text detection does pretty much what all the other things like 
that envision AI or voice dream scanner etc. do when you hold your camera over 
some text. Whether it’s better or not then those abs, who knows? The point and 
shoot sort of thing that they also talk about sounds like it would be 
exceedingly frustrating for a totally blind person. And Thomas Dawnville admits 
that, saying that it’s probably better for someone with low vision who can see 
what they want but can’t read it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2023, at 4:25 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
>
> Text detection, a new feature in IOS 17 requires LiDAR. I'm not sure
> what this does and how it's different than the text detection I get
> with the camera now, but I don't have a LiDAR phone to test this with.
> https://www.a/
> pplevis.com%2Fpodcasts%2Fquick-tour-some-notable-new-enhanced-accessib
> ility-features-ios-17=05%7C01%7C%7C2953876574dd46242f8a08dbba429e
> d0%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638308567535125277%7CU
> nknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1ha
> WwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=pw74UUifAMtEt9LdJ55KFps3s0S8vo
> faL7dW9Z1Fa0c%3D=0
>
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 6:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
>
> The magnifier built-in to iOS.
>
>
>
>
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch
> with it.”  --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the
> Universe
>
> My web site:
> https://www.t/
> urner42.com%2F=05%7C01%7C%7C2953876574dd46242f8a08dbba429ed0%7C84
> df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C638308567535125277%7CUnknown%
> 7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJX
> VCI6Mn0%3D%7C3000%7C%7C%7C=W%2BkKwEPejcwf17C0mEoIIAkoGsgg%2FXDh1
> BaEpl3qYpM%3D=0
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> paekstr...@gmail.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 3:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
>
> Hi Richard,
>
> When you mention the magnifier, are you referring to a specific app?
>
> Thanks,
> Pam
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 5:19 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
>
> It does help with the door detection feature in the magnifier. Also the image 
> description and text identification and people ID in the magnifier as well. 
> There are a few apps using it for better object recognition and distance of 
> the object though I think that is only accurate within 15 or 20 feet or 
> something. The hope is more app developers will find ways to use it. But, at 
> this point, unless any of those things are high on your list of important 
> features, it may not be worth the extra money just for that. Note, you get a 
> better processor chip in the pro models too along with possibly better 
> battery life, so it isn't just LIDAR that you get in the pro phones.
>
> Richard, USA
> ——
> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John
> Wesley (Sent from my iPhone)
>
>> On Sep 20, 2023, at 2:06 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
>>
>> Hi I am in a simmiler situation as you. I need to get a new phone I am 
>> running the I phone 8 and am thinking of getting the I phone pro 14 for the 
>> lidar feature and would like toknow what this does for us as blind people? I 
>> know about the door detection from Mich.
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf
>> Of Mary Otten
>> Sent: September 20, 2023 4:58 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
>>
>> My question sort of sums it up. I’m thinking about getting a new phone, 
>> although I could wait one more year, since this one is eligible for an 
>> upgrade this year. If I do get a new phone, I am contemplating whether it’s 
>> worth it to go for the pro because of l

Re: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

[Mary Otten]

It sounds like text detection does pretty much what all the other things like 
that envision AI or voice dream scanner etc. do when you hold your camera over 
some text. Whether it’s better or not then those abs, who knows? The point and 
shoot sort of thing that they also talk about sounds like it would be 
exceedingly frustrating for a totally blind person. And Thomas Dawnville admits 
that, saying that it’s probably better for someone with low vision who can see 
what they want but can’t read it.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 20, 2023, at 4:25 PM, Christopher Chaltain  
> wrote:
> 
> Text detection, a new feature in IOS 17 requires LiDAR. I'm not sure what 
> this does and how it's different than the text detection I get with the 
> camera now, but I don't have a LiDAR phone to test this with. 
> https://www.applevis.com/podcasts/quick-tour-some-notable-new-enhanced-accessibility-features-ios-17
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
> Chaltain at Outlook, USA
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 6:06 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
> 
> The magnifier built-in to iOS.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
> “Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
> --  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com/
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> paekstr...@gmail.com
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 3:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
> 
> Hi Richard,
> 
> When you mention the magnifier, are you referring to a specific app?
> 
> Thanks,
> Pam
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 5:19 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
> 
> It does help with the door detection feature in the magnifier. Also the image 
> description and text identification and people ID in the magnifier as well. 
> There are a few apps using it for better object recognition and distance of 
> the object though I think that is only accurate within 15 or 20 feet or 
> something. The hope is more app developers will find ways to use it. But, at 
> this point, unless any of those things are high on your list of important 
> features, it may not be worth the extra money just for that. Note, you get a 
> better processor chip in the pro models too along with possibly better 
> battery life, so it isn't just LIDAR that you get in the pro phones.
> 
> Richard, USA
> ——
> "While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley 
> (Sent from my iPhone)
> 
>> On Sep 20, 2023, at 2:06 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
>> 
>> Hi I am in a simmiler situation as you. I need to get a new phone I am 
>> running the I phone 8 and am thinking of getting the I phone pro 14 for the 
>> lidar feature and would like toknow what this does for us as blind people? I 
>> know about the door detection from Mich.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Mary Otten
>> Sent: September 20, 2023 4:58 PM
>> To: via VIPhone 
>> Subject: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
>> 
>> My question sort of sums it up. I’m thinking about getting a new phone, 
>> although I could wait one more year, since this one is eligible for an 
>> upgrade this year. If I do get a new phone, I am contemplating whether it’s 
>> worth it to go for the pro because of lied AR. There was a lot of hype 
>> around it when it came out, and I haven’t heard much cents. What does it do 
>> for us in particular as blind people? I could care less about taking 
>> pictures except for the purposes of getting descriptions, texts, etc. In 
>> other words, regular photography interests me not one wit.
>> Mary
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
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RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

[Christopher Chaltain]

Text detection, a new feature in IOS 17 requires LiDAR. I'm not sure what this 
does and how it's different than the text detection I get with the camera now, 
but I don't have a LiDAR phone to test this with. 
https://www.applevis.com/podcasts/quick-tour-some-notable-new-enhanced-accessibility-features-ios-17

--
Christopher (AKA CJ) =>÷
Chaltain at Outlook, USA

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 6:06 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

The magnifier built-in to iOS.




Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com/

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
paekstr...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 3:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

Hi Richard,

When you mention the magnifier, are you referring to a specific app?

Thanks,
Pam

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 5:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

It does help with the door detection feature in the magnifier. Also the image 
description and text identification and people ID in the magnifier as well. 
There are a few apps using it for better object recognition and distance of the 
object though I think that is only accurate within 15 or 20 feet or something. 
The hope is more app developers will find ways to use it. But, at this point, 
unless any of those things are high on your list of important features, it may 
not be worth the extra money just for that. Note, you get a better processor 
chip in the pro models too along with possibly better battery life, so it isn't 
just LIDAR that you get in the pro phones.

Richard, USA
——
"While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley 
(Sent from my iPhone)

> On Sep 20, 2023, at 2:06 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
>
> Hi I am in a simmiler situation as you. I need to get a new phone I am 
> running the I phone 8 and am thinking of getting the I phone pro 14 for the 
> lidar feature and would like toknow what this does for us as blind people? I 
> know about the door detection from Mich.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Mary Otten
> Sent: September 20, 2023 4:58 PM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
>
> My question sort of sums it up. I’m thinking about getting a new phone, 
> although I could wait one more year, since this one is eligible for an 
> upgrade this year. If I do get a new phone, I am contemplating whether it’s 
> worth it to go for the pro because of lied AR. There was a lot of hype around 
> it when it came out, and I haven’t heard much cents. What does it do for us 
> in particular as blind people? I could care less about taking pictures except 
> for the purposes of getting descriptions, texts, etc. In other words, regular 
> photography interests me not one wit.
> Mary
>
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

[Richard Turner]

The magnifier built-in to iOS.




Richard, USA.
“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
paekstr...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 3:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

Hi Richard,

When you mention the magnifier, are you referring to a specific app?

Thanks,
Pam

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 5:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

It does help with the door detection feature in the magnifier. Also the image 
description and text identification and people ID in the magnifier as well. 
There are a few apps using it for better object recognition and distance of the 
object though I think that is only accurate within 15 or 20 feet or something. 
The hope is more app developers will find ways to use it. But, at this point, 
unless any of those things are high on your list of important features, it may 
not be worth the extra money just for that. Note, you get a better processor 
chip in the pro models too along with possibly better battery life, so it isn't 
just LIDAR that you get in the pro phones.

Richard, USA
——
"While striving for perfection, let us do what is possible." — John Wesley 
(Sent from my iPhone)

> On Sep 20, 2023, at 2:06 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
> 
> Hi I am in a simmiler situation as you. I need to get a new phone I am 
> running the I phone 8 and am thinking of getting the I phone pro 14 for the 
> lidar feature and would like toknow what this does for us as blind people? I 
> know about the door detection from Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: September 20, 2023 4:58 PM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
> 
> My question sort of sums it up. I’m thinking about getting a new phone, 
> although I could wait one more year, since this one is eligible for an 
> upgrade this year. If I do get a new phone, I am contemplating whether it’s 
> worth it to go for the pro because of lied AR. There was a lot of hype around 
> it when it came out, and I haven’t heard much cents. What does it do for us 
> in particular as blind people? I could care less about taking pictures except 
> for the purposes of getting descriptions, texts, etc. In other words, regular 
> photography interests me not one wit.
> Mary
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

[realman02 via VIPhone]

It does do a fair job with door detection and has possibilities, so you are 
making a long-term investment. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
Otten
Sent: Wednesday, September 20, 2023 4:58 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

My question sort of sums it up. I’m thinking about getting a new phone, 
although I could wait one more year, since this one is eligible for an upgrade 
this year. If I do get a new phone, I am contemplating whether it’s worth it to 
go for the pro because of lied AR. There was a lot of hype around it when it 
came out, and I haven’t heard much cents. What does it do for us in particular 
as blind people? I could care less about taking pictures except for the 
purposes of getting descriptions, texts, etc. In other words, regular 
photography interests me not one wit.
Mary


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RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

[paekstrand]

Hi Richard,

When you mention the magnifier, are you referring to a specific app?

Thanks,
Pam

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Turner
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Subject: Re: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

It does help with the door detection feature in the magnifier. Also the image 
description and text identification and people ID in the magnifier as well. 
There are a few apps using it for better object recognition and distance of the 
object though I think that is only accurate within 15 or 20 feet or something. 
The hope is more app developers will find ways to use it. But, at this point, 
unless any of those things are high on your list of important features, it may 
not be worth the extra money just for that. Note, you get a better processor 
chip in the pro models too along with possibly better battery life, so it isn't 
just LIDAR that you get in the pro phones.

Richard, USA
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> On Sep 20, 2023, at 2:06 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
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> Hi I am in a simmiler situation as you. I need to get a new phone I am 
> running the I phone 8 and am thinking of getting the I phone pro 14 for the 
> lidar feature and would like toknow what this does for us as blind people? I 
> know about the door detection from Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Mary Otten
> Sent: September 20, 2023 4:58 PM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
> 
> My question sort of sums it up. I’m thinking about getting a new phone, 
> although I could wait one more year, since this one is eligible for an 
> upgrade this year. If I do get a new phone, I am contemplating whether it’s 
> worth it to go for the pro because of lied AR. There was a lot of hype around 
> it when it came out, and I haven’t heard much cents. What does it do for us 
> in particular as blind people? I could care less about taking pictures except 
> for the purposes of getting descriptions, texts, etc. In other words, regular 
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Re: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

[Richard Turner]

It does help with the door detection feature in the magnifier. Also the image 
description and text identification and people ID in the magnifier as well. 
There are a few apps using it for better object recognition and distance of the 
object though I think that is only accurate within 15 or 20 feet or something. 
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chip in the pro models too along with possibly better battery life, so it isn't 
just LIDAR that you get in the pro phones.

Richard, USA 
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> On Sep 20, 2023, at 2:06 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
> 
> Hi I am in a simmiler situation as you. I need to get a new phone I am 
> running the I phone 8 and am thinking of getting the I phone pro 14 for the 
> lidar feature and would like toknow what this does for us as blind people? I 
> know about the door detection from Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: September 20, 2023 4:58 PM
> To: via VIPhone 
> Subject: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?
> 
> My question sort of sums it up. I’m thinking about getting a new phone, 
> although I could wait one more year, since this one is eligible for an 
> upgrade this year. If I do get a new phone, I am contemplating whether it’s 
> worth it to go for the pro because of lied AR. There was a lot of hype around 
> it when it came out, and I haven’t heard much cents. What does it do for us 
> in particular as blind people? I could care less about taking pictures except 
> for the purposes of getting descriptions, texts, etc. In other words, regular 
> photography interests me not one wit.
> Mary
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RE: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

[michv]

Hi I am in a simmiler situation as you. I need to get a new phone I am running 
the I phone 8 and am thinking of getting the I phone pro 14 for the lidar 
feature and would like toknow what this does for us as blind people? I know 
about the door detection from Mich.

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Otten
Sent: September 20, 2023 4:58 PM
To: via VIPhone 
Subject: Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

My question sort of sums it up. I’m thinking about getting a new phone, 
although I could wait one more year, since this one is eligible for an upgrade 
this year. If I do get a new phone, I am contemplating whether it’s worth it to 
go for the pro because of lied AR. There was a lot of hype around it when it 
came out, and I haven’t heard much cents. What does it do for us in particular 
as blind people? I could care less about taking pictures except for the 
purposes of getting descriptions, texts, etc. In other words, regular 
photography interests me not one wit.
Mary


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Are there really advantages to LiDAR?

[Mary Otten]

My question sort of sums it up. I’m thinking about getting a new phone, 
although I could wait one more year, since this one is eligible for an upgrade 
this year. If I do get a new phone, I am contemplating whether it’s worth it to 
go for the pro because of lied AR. There was a lot of hype around it when it 
came out, and I haven’t heard much cents. What does it do for us in particular 
as blind people? I could care less about taking pictures except for the 
purposes of getting descriptions, texts, etc. In other words, regular 
photography interests me not one wit.
Mary


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RE: Question about LiDAR on my 14 Pro.

[Carolyn]

I think that's right about the battery. That is what batteries are for, to give 
the power to use what can be helpful. 

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Alex Stone
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2022 5:24 PM
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Subject: Re: Question about LiDAR on my 14 Pro.

Carolyn, itbprobably uses a bit more battery than your phone would without it 
turned on, but I wouldn’t have thought it was very much.

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> On 26 Nov 2022, at 22:21, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, I do know it uses a lot of battery. He was using it from Magnifier. 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Subject: RE: Question about LiDAR on my 14 Pro.
> 
> Was Jonathan using the Magnifier features?
> 
> 
> 
> If so, you probably don’t’ have the extra items checked.
> 
> When in Magnifier, double tap in the view finder, then double tap on 
> Detection mode, even if it says selected already.
> 
> Then, you have several options:
> 
> People Detection, Door detection, and Image description.
> 
> 
> 
> Remember, this will be a battery hog so pay attention to how much battery is 
> being used while experimenting with these settings.
> 
> 
> 
> Maybe on the 14 Pro it won’t be too bad on the battery.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Richard, USA.
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> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
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> To: viPhone 
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> 
> 
> 
> I heard Jonathan Mosen’s podcast about ID on the iPhone. Mine does not give 
> the details that his did. It does not say wooden door, it does not say 
> anything about carpet or curtain color. I am wondering why that is. 
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RE: Question about LiDAR on my 14 Pro.

[Carolyn]

Thank you for your easy-to-follow directions. 

It is still not doing like Jonathan's. His told what color the carpet and 
curtains were. Actually, in this room, it did say not enough light. 

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Malcolm Parfitt
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2022 2:39 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Question about LiDAR on my 14 Pro.

Hello,

I sent the following to the list after your first question on this subject.

Here it is again.


Try the following to detect and describe more objects.

 

With Magnifier running, double tap the End button to turn detection off.

 

Navigate to the Settings button and double tap it.

 

>From the dialog that appears find Settings again and double tap.

 

You should be in another screen read out as Customise Controls.

 

Swipe down or navigate by heading until you get to Detectors.

 

There will be three buttons in here:

 

People Detection, Door Detection and Image descriptions.

 

Double tap each in turn and under the heading Feedback make sure Speech is 
turned on to enable it for each of the detection methods.

 

You can also enable feedback with Sound and Haptics as well as Speech.




By default you can double tap the back of your iPhone to get more information 
about doors.  This is assuming you’ve not changed any of the commands for 
VoiceOver.

Malcolm Parfitt


On 26 Nov 2022, at 19:28, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:





I heard Jonathan Mosen’s podcast about ID on the iPhone. Mine does not 
give the details that his did. It does not say wooden door, it does not say 
anything about carpet or curtain color. I am wondering why that is. 



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Re: Question about LiDAR on my 14 Pro.

[Alex Stone]

Carolyn, itbprobably uses a bit more battery than your phone would without it 
turned on, but I wouldn’t have thought it was very much.

Sent from my iPhone

> On 26 Nov 2022, at 22:21, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, I do know it uses a lot of battery. He was using it from Magnifier. 
> 
> -Original Message-
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> Was Jonathan using the Magnifier features?
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> If so, you probably don’t’ have the extra items checked.
> 
> When in Magnifier, double tap in the view finder, then double tap on 
> Detection mode, even if it says selected already.
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> Then, you have several options:
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> People Detection, Door detection, and Image description.
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> Remember, this will be a battery hog so pay attention to how much battery is 
> being used while experimenting with these settings.
> 
> 
> 
> Maybe on the 14 Pro it won’t be too bad on the battery.
> 
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> I heard Jonathan Mosen’s podcast about ID on the iPhone. Mine does not give 
> the details that his did. It does not say wooden door, it does not say 
> anything about carpet or curtain color. I am wondering why that is. 
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RE: Question about LiDAR on my 14 Pro.

[Carolyn]

Thanks, I do know it uses a lot of battery. He was using it from Magnifier. 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Richard Turner
Sent: Saturday, November 26, 2022 2:38 PM
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Subject: RE: Question about LiDAR on my 14 Pro.

Was Jonathan using the Magnifier features?

 

If so, you probably don’t’ have the extra items checked.

When in Magnifier, double tap in the view finder, then double tap on Detection 
mode, even if it says selected already.

Then, you have several options:

People Detection, Door detection, and Image description.

 

Remember, this will be a battery hog so pay attention to how much battery is 
being used while experimenting with these settings.

 

Maybe on the 14 Pro it won’t be too bad on the battery.

 

 

 

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--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

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Subject: Question about LiDAR on my 14 Pro.

 

I heard Jonathan Mosen’s podcast about ID on the iPhone. Mine does not give the 
details that his did. It does not say wooden door, it does not say anything 
about carpet or curtain color. I am wondering why that is. 

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Re: Question about LiDAR on my 14 Pro.

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Hello,I sent the following to the list after your first question on this subject.Here it is again.Try the following to detect and describe more objects. With Magnifier running, double tap the End button to turn detection off. Navigate to the Settings button and double tap it. From the dialog that appears find Settings again and double tap. You should be in another screen read out as Customise Controls. Swipe down or navigate by heading until you get to Detectors. There will be three buttons in here: People Detection, Door Detection and Image descriptions. Double tap each in turn and under the heading Feedback make sure Speech is turned on to enable it for each of the detection methods. You can also enable feedback with Sound and Haptics as well as Speech.By default you can double tap the back of your iPhone to get more information about doors.  This is assuming you’ve not changed any of the commands for VoiceOver.Malcolm ParfittOn 26 Nov 2022, at 19:28, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:I heard Jonathan Mosen’s podcast about ID on the iPhone. Mine does not give the details that his did. It does not say wooden door, it does not say anything about carpet or curtain color. I am wondering why that is. 



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RE: Question about LiDAR on my 14 Pro.

[Richard Turner]

Was Jonathan using the Magnifier features?

 

If so, you probably don’t’ have the extra items checked.

When in Magnifier, double tap in the view finder, then double tap on Detection 
mode, even if it says selected already.

Then, you have several options:

People Detection, Door detection, and Image description.

 

Remember, this will be a battery hog so pay attention to how much battery is 
being used while experimenting with these settings.

 

Maybe on the 14 Pro it won’t be too bad on the battery.

 

 

 

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Subject: Question about LiDAR on my 14 Pro.

 

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Question about LiDAR on my 14 Pro.

[Carolyn]

I heard Jonathan Mosen's podcast about ID on the iPhone.
Mine does not give the details that his did. It does not say
wooden door, it does not say anything about carpet or
curtain color. I am wondering why that is. 

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RE: LiDAR.

[Carolyn]

Thanks. 

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Carolyn,

What app are you using?

 

Tha tis about all the Magnifier does that is built-in.

 

Try Seeing AI’s World channel or the Super Lidar app from the folks who make 
SuperSense.

 

 

 

 

 

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Saturday, November 12, 2022 11:57 AM
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Subject: LiDAR.

 

I have it set up on my new pretty purple 14 Pro, but I think I must have to do 
more stuff. It will tell me door or person, but nothing else right now. 

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RE: LiDAR.

[Carolyn]

And, I'll just bet you would too. I don'[t blame you one bit. 

I have one question, and that is how to get LiDAR to tell carpet color like 
Jonathan's did on his podcast. 

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Carolyn, why don’t you send it to me, I’d be quite happy to keep it for you 


Sent from my iPhone


On 12 Nov 2022, at 19:57, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:



 

I have it set up on my new pretty purple 14 Pro, but I think I must 
have to do more stuff. It will tell me door or person, but nothing else right 
now. 



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RE: LiDAR.

[Malcolm Parfitt]

Hello,

 

Try the following to detect and describe more objects.

 

With Magnifier running, double tap the End button to turn detection off.

 

Navigate to the Settings button and double tap it.

 

>From the dialog that appears find Settings again and double tap.

 

You should be in another screen read out as Customise Controls.

 

Swipe down or navigate by heading until you get to Detectors.

 

There will be three buttons in here:

 

People Detection, Door Detection and Image descriptions.

 

Double tap each in turn and under the heading Feedback make sure Speech is 
turned on to enable it for each of the detection methods.

 

You can also enable feedback with Sound and Haptics as well as Speech.

 

Hope this helps.

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Turner
Sent: 12 November 2022 21:31
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: LiDAR.

 

Carolyn,

What app are you using?

 

Tha tis about all the Magnifier does that is built-in.

 

Try Seeing AI’s World channel or the Super Lidar app from the folks who make 
SuperSense.

 

 

 

 

 

Richard, USA.

“Reality is the leading cause of stress for those who are in touch with it.”  
--  Jane Wagner from The Search for Intelligent Life in the Universe

 

My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

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Subject: LiDAR.

 

I have it set up on my new pretty purple 14 Pro, but I think I must have to do 
more stuff. It will tell me door or person, but nothing else right now. 

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RE: LiDAR.

[Richard Turner]

Carolyn,

What app are you using?

 

Tha tis about all the Magnifier does that is built-in.

 

Try Seeing AI’s World channel or the Super Lidar app from the folks who make 
SuperSense.

 

 

 

 

 

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My web site: https://www.turner42.com

 

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I have it set up on my new pretty purple 14 Pro, but I think I must have to do 
more stuff. It will tell me door or person, but nothing else right now. 

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Re: LiDAR.

[Alex Stone]

Carolyn, why don’t you send it to me, I’d be quite happy to keep it for you 

Sent from my iPhone

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LiDAR.

[Carolyn]

I have it set up on my new pretty purple 14 Pro, but I think
I must have to do more stuff. It will tell me door or
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RE: How useful to blind users is the Lidar sensor?

[Carolyn]

I think that's what I'm going to do. My son can help me get a discount through 
his company. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 9:19 PM
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Thanks a bundle Richard. I guess I will just go ahead and order the 14 Pro.
Cheers,

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2022, at 2:22 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Here is an article from How To Geek prior to the release of the iPhone 12 
> Pro and Pro max, the first models to have LIDAR.
> 
> What Is LiDAR?
> A LiDAR scanner determines the distance between itself and an object by 
> monitoring how long it takes a pulse of light (often a laser) to bounce back. 
> It’s like radar, except instead of radio waves, it uses infrared light.
> 
> While radar is designed to be used across great distances, LiDAR works on a 
> smaller scale, due to the way light is absorbed by objects in its path. By 
> sending hundreds of thousands of light pulses every second, LiDAR scanners 
> can work out distances and object sizes with relative accuracy over small 
> distances.
> 
> A living room with furniture outlined by dots, showing what the iPhone LIDAR 
> scanner sees.
> 
> This data can then be used to construct 3D models, which is one of the main 
> uses for LiDAR in construction and engineering projects. You’ve likely heard 
> of 3D laser scans being used to draw up building plans—that’s LiDAR.
> 
> LiDAR actually has many uses across many industries. Archaeologists use it to 
> prepare dig sites and autonomous vehicles rely on it to construct real-time 
> 3D maps of their surroundings. LiDAR has even been used to create highly 
> realistic and accurate maps of race tracks in video games, like Project CARS. 
> Police speed guns also use LiDAR.
> 
> And now, just like the iPad Pro in March 2020, a LiDAR scanner has come to 
> Apple’s premium iPhone 12 Pro.
> 
> How the iPhone 12 Pro Uses LiDAR
> Apple uses LiDAR a bit differently than a construction site or speed gun. 
> It’s the same basic principle—bouncing light to determine distance—but on a 
> smaller scale. The LiDAR scanner in the iPhone 12 Pro (and iPad Pro) has an 
> effective range of around 16 feet (5 meters).
> 
> The primary purpose of LiDAR in the iPhone is to improve augmented reality 
> (AR) implementation. It will give apps more useful and accurate information 
> about their surroundings, for smoother, more reliable AR.
> 
> If you’re unfamiliar with the technology, AR allows developers to fuse 
> virtual objects and the real world. It uses your device’s camera and allows 
> you to play games, apply interactive filters (like those on Snapchat), or 
> preview the placement of furniture and other objects.
> 
> Pokémon Go is one example of a successful AR game that allows you to capture 
> virtual creatures in the real world. With Ikea’s wildly successful Place app, 
> you can see how most of the company’s catalog would look in your home.
> 
> LEGO is one of many companies that has also launched stand-alone products (in 
> this case, building sets) that can “come alive” via AR features when you have 
> a compatible smartphone.
> 
> While LiDAR is often used to scan buildings and other objects, the scanner on 
> the iPhone 12 Pro and iPad Pro isn’t accurate enough to scan objects 
> precisely. Sebastiaan de With, who developed the popular iPhone camera app 
> Halide, discovered this while building a proof of concept called Esper.
> 
> “Unfortunately, the mesh output by the system right now isn’t accurate enough 
> to send to a 3D printer,” de With wrote on the Halide website. “But it’s a 
> great starting point for a 3D model, since all the proportions will be very 
> accurate.”
> 
> In reality, LiDAR scanners are likely to improve on two main things: virtual 
> object placement (like shopping apps) and AR gaming. These are already 
> possible on non-LiDAR iPhones, but it adds an extra layer of accuracy to 
> things like dimensions and the precise distance to an object in a room.
> 
> You can also expect a more seamless AR experience, particularly when placing 
> virtual items in the real world. For example, the iPhone 12 Pro should be 
> better able to identify real-world items in the foreground. This should make 
> for more realistic interactions between virtual and real objects.
> 
> Virtual toys, characters, and scenery in a living room AR Experience on iPad 
> Pro.
> 
> Apple also intends to use LiDAR to improve camera performance in low light. 
> It’s implemented “focus pixels” in the iPhone XS, which is the company’s 
> brand of phase-detect autofocus (PDAF). 

RE: How useful to blind users is the Lidar sensor?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

If you want an iPhone 14 than I think the Pro model is definitely the way to 
go, if you are thinking you want just a regular iPhone 14 you may as well look 
for a good deal on an iPhone 13 since it has the same processor. You hear about 
lackluster preorders for the iPhone 14 Plus in particular and I understand why, 
maybe if somebody is on an iPhone 8 or earlier upgrading to a 14 or 14 Plus 
would be a pretty good improvement, but anybody who has an iPhone 11, 12, 13 or 
their equivalent Pro versions is probably not very tempted by an iPhone 14.
I probably still upgrade from my iPhone 11, but the only upgrade which makes 
sense to me would be a 14 Pro and for me there would primarily be three reasons 
and those are MagSafe, the LiDAR capability and of course improved battery life 
since my iPhone 11 battery is now down to 85% capacity.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 6:19 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: How useful to blind users is the Lidar sensor?

Thanks a bundle Richard. I guess I will just go ahead and order the 14 Pro.
Cheers,

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2022, at 2:22 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Here is an article from How To Geek prior to the release of the iPhone 12 
> Pro and Pro max, the first models to have LIDAR.
> 
> What Is LiDAR?
> A LiDAR scanner determines the distance between itself and an object by 
> monitoring how long it takes a pulse of light (often a laser) to bounce back. 
> It’s like radar, except instead of radio waves, it uses infrared light.
> 
> While radar is designed to be used across great distances, LiDAR works on a 
> smaller scale, due to the way light is absorbed by objects in its path. By 
> sending hundreds of thousands of light pulses every second, LiDAR scanners 
> can work out distances and object sizes with relative accuracy over small 
> distances.
> 
> A living room with furniture outlined by dots, showing what the iPhone LIDAR 
> scanner sees.
> 
> This data can then be used to construct 3D models, which is one of the main 
> uses for LiDAR in construction and engineering projects. You’ve likely heard 
> of 3D laser scans being used to draw up building plans—that’s LiDAR.
> 
> LiDAR actually has many uses across many industries. Archaeologists use it to 
> prepare dig sites and autonomous vehicles rely on it to construct real-time 
> 3D maps of their surroundings. LiDAR has even been used to create highly 
> realistic and accurate maps of race tracks in video games, like Project CARS. 
> Police speed guns also use LiDAR.
> 
> And now, just like the iPad Pro in March 2020, a LiDAR scanner has come to 
> Apple’s premium iPhone 12 Pro.
> 
> How the iPhone 12 Pro Uses LiDAR
> Apple uses LiDAR a bit differently than a construction site or speed gun. 
> It’s the same basic principle—bouncing light to determine distance—but on a 
> smaller scale. The LiDAR scanner in the iPhone 12 Pro (and iPad Pro) has an 
> effective range of around 16 feet (5 meters).
> 
> The primary purpose of LiDAR in the iPhone is to improve augmented reality 
> (AR) implementation. It will give apps more useful and accurate information 
> about their surroundings, for smoother, more reliable AR.
> 
> If you’re unfamiliar with the technology, AR allows developers to fuse 
> virtual objects and the real world. It uses your device’s camera and allows 
> you to play games, apply interactive filters (like those on Snapchat), or 
> preview the placement of furniture and other objects.
> 
> Pokémon Go is one example of a successful AR game that allows you to capture 
> virtual creatures in the real world. With Ikea’s wildly successful Place app, 
> you can see how most of the company’s catalog would look in your home.
> 
> LEGO is one of many companies that has also launched stand-alone products (in 
> this case, building sets) that can “come alive” via AR features when you have 
> a compatible smartphone.
> 
> While LiDAR is often used to scan buildings and other objects, the scanner on 
> the iPhone 12 Pro and iPad Pro isn’t accurate enough to scan objects 
> precisely. Sebastiaan de With, who developed the popular iPhone camera app 
> Halide, discovered this while building a proof of concept called Esper.
> 
> “Unfortunately, the mesh output by the system right now isn’t accurate enough 
> to send to a 3D printer,” de With wrote on the Halide website. “But it’s a 
> great starting point for a 3D model, since all the proportions will be very 
> accurate.”
> 
> In reality, LiDAR scanners are likely to improve on two main things: virtual 
> object placement (like shopping apps) and AR gaming. These are already 
> possible on non-LiDAR iPhones, but it adds an extra layer of accuracy 

RE: How useful to blind users is the Lidar sensor?

[chrisjudge1967]

>From what I understood lidar is necessary for all of these things. I could be 
>mistaken but I'm sure I recall hearing that.

Chris Judge


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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: September 16, 2022 12:37 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: How useful to blind users is the Lidar sensor?

It has been marginally useful for some things, but with iOS 16 and the door 
detection feature, it should become more useful for people who travel where 
they need to find a door into a building or an office.

I think GoodMaps Explore is beginning to incorporate it.

The Image description in the Magnifier now even recognizes light switches on 
the wall.  If you go to hotels much, this could be useful as well.
Now, Door, image, and people detection may not need LIDAR unless you want to 
know how far away the item is; but I'm not sure since I only have the 13 pro, 
so I cannot test on something without LIDAR.

Seeing AI and other apps use it, but their image database is pretty small.

HTH,


Richard
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which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

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礪

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 8:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How useful to blind users is the Lidar sensor?

Hi listers,
I can imagine that the Lidar sensor on the iPhone has great accessibility 
potentials. If there is any reason for me to have the urge to upgrade from XR 
to 14 pro is to have lidar on my phone. For those of you who have phones with 
lidar, how useful this has been so far? I am very curious.
I hope to hear your opinions on the subject.
Cheers

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Re: How useful to blind users is the Lidar sensor?

[Cris Ali]

Thanks a bundle Richard. I guess I will just go ahead and order the 14 Pro.
Cheers,

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 16, 2022, at 2:22 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Here is an article from How To Geek prior to the release of the iPhone 12 
> Pro and Pro max, the first models to have LIDAR.
> 
> What Is LiDAR?
> A LiDAR scanner determines the distance between itself and an object by 
> monitoring how long it takes a pulse of light (often a laser) to bounce back. 
> It’s like radar, except instead of radio waves, it uses infrared light.
> 
> While radar is designed to be used across great distances, LiDAR works on a 
> smaller scale, due to the way light is absorbed by objects in its path. By 
> sending hundreds of thousands of light pulses every second, LiDAR scanners 
> can work out distances and object sizes with relative accuracy over small 
> distances.
> 
> A living room with furniture outlined by dots, showing what the iPhone LIDAR 
> scanner sees.
> 
> This data can then be used to construct 3D models, which is one of the main 
> uses for LiDAR in construction and engineering projects. You’ve likely heard 
> of 3D laser scans being used to draw up building plans—that’s LiDAR.
> 
> LiDAR actually has many uses across many industries. Archaeologists use it to 
> prepare dig sites and autonomous vehicles rely on it to construct real-time 
> 3D maps of their surroundings. LiDAR has even been used to create highly 
> realistic and accurate maps of race tracks in video games, like Project CARS. 
> Police speed guns also use LiDAR.
> 
> And now, just like the iPad Pro in March 2020, a LiDAR scanner has come to 
> Apple’s premium iPhone 12 Pro.
> 
> How the iPhone 12 Pro Uses LiDAR
> Apple uses LiDAR a bit differently than a construction site or speed gun. 
> It’s the same basic principle—bouncing light to determine distance—but on a 
> smaller scale. The LiDAR scanner in the iPhone 12 Pro (and iPad Pro) has an 
> effective range of around 16 feet (5 meters).
> 
> The primary purpose of LiDAR in the iPhone is to improve augmented reality 
> (AR) implementation. It will give apps more useful and accurate information 
> about their surroundings, for smoother, more reliable AR.
> 
> If you’re unfamiliar with the technology, AR allows developers to fuse 
> virtual objects and the real world. It uses your device’s camera and allows 
> you to play games, apply interactive filters (like those on Snapchat), or 
> preview the placement of furniture and other objects.
> 
> Pokémon Go is one example of a successful AR game that allows you to capture 
> virtual creatures in the real world. With Ikea’s wildly successful Place app, 
> you can see how most of the company’s catalog would look in your home.
> 
> LEGO is one of many companies that has also launched stand-alone products (in 
> this case, building sets) that can “come alive” via AR features when you have 
> a compatible smartphone.
> 
> While LiDAR is often used to scan buildings and other objects, the scanner on 
> the iPhone 12 Pro and iPad Pro isn’t accurate enough to scan objects 
> precisely. Sebastiaan de With, who developed the popular iPhone camera app 
> Halide, discovered this while building a proof of concept called Esper.
> 
> “Unfortunately, the mesh output by the system right now isn’t accurate enough 
> to send to a 3D printer,” de With wrote on the Halide website. “But it’s a 
> great starting point for a 3D model, since all the proportions will be very 
> accurate.”
> 
> In reality, LiDAR scanners are likely to improve on two main things: virtual 
> object placement (like shopping apps) and AR gaming. These are already 
> possible on non-LiDAR iPhones, but it adds an extra layer of accuracy to 
> things like dimensions and the precise distance to an object in a room.
> 
> You can also expect a more seamless AR experience, particularly when placing 
> virtual items in the real world. For example, the iPhone 12 Pro should be 
> better able to identify real-world items in the foreground. This should make 
> for more realistic interactions between virtual and real objects.
> 
> Virtual toys, characters, and scenery in a living room AR Experience on iPad 
> Pro.
> 
> Apple also intends to use LiDAR to improve camera performance in low light. 
> It’s implemented “focus pixels” in the iPhone XS, which is the company’s 
> brand of phase-detect autofocus (PDAF). This technology still depends on 
> light, which is why even the latest autofocus advancements don’t work all 
> that well in the dark.
> 
> By sensing the distance between your iPhone and the subject you’re taking a 
> picture of, Apple can tell the camera at what distance it should focus to get 
> the best results. This sho

RE: How useful to blind users is the Lidar sensor?

[Richard Turner]

Here is an article from How To Geek prior to the release of the iPhone 12 Pro 
and Pro max, the first models to have LIDAR.

What Is LiDAR?
A LiDAR scanner determines the distance between itself and an object by 
monitoring how long it takes a pulse of light (often a laser) to bounce back. 
It’s like radar, except instead of radio waves, it uses infrared light.

While radar is designed to be used across great distances, LiDAR works on a 
smaller scale, due to the way light is absorbed by objects in its path. By 
sending hundreds of thousands of light pulses every second, LiDAR scanners can 
work out distances and object sizes with relative accuracy over small distances.

A living room with furniture outlined by dots, showing what the iPhone LIDAR 
scanner sees.

This data can then be used to construct 3D models, which is one of the main 
uses for LiDAR in construction and engineering projects. You’ve likely heard of 
3D laser scans being used to draw up building plans—that’s LiDAR.

LiDAR actually has many uses across many industries. Archaeologists use it to 
prepare dig sites and autonomous vehicles rely on it to construct real-time 3D 
maps of their surroundings. LiDAR has even been used to create highly realistic 
and accurate maps of race tracks in video games, like Project CARS. Police 
speed guns also use LiDAR.

And now, just like the iPad Pro in March 2020, a LiDAR scanner has come to 
Apple’s premium iPhone 12 Pro.

How the iPhone 12 Pro Uses LiDAR
Apple uses LiDAR a bit differently than a construction site or speed gun. It’s 
the same basic principle—bouncing light to determine distance—but on a smaller 
scale. The LiDAR scanner in the iPhone 12 Pro (and iPad Pro) has an effective 
range of around 16 feet (5 meters).

The primary purpose of LiDAR in the iPhone is to improve augmented reality (AR) 
implementation. It will give apps more useful and accurate information about 
their surroundings, for smoother, more reliable AR.

If you’re unfamiliar with the technology, AR allows developers to fuse virtual 
objects and the real world. It uses your device’s camera and allows you to play 
games, apply interactive filters (like those on Snapchat), or preview the 
placement of furniture and other objects.

Pokémon Go is one example of a successful AR game that allows you to capture 
virtual creatures in the real world. With Ikea’s wildly successful Place app, 
you can see how most of the company’s catalog would look in your home.

LEGO is one of many companies that has also launched stand-alone products (in 
this case, building sets) that can “come alive” via AR features when you have a 
compatible smartphone.

While LiDAR is often used to scan buildings and other objects, the scanner on 
the iPhone 12 Pro and iPad Pro isn’t accurate enough to scan objects precisely. 
Sebastiaan de With, who developed the popular iPhone camera app Halide, 
discovered this while building a proof of concept called Esper.

“Unfortunately, the mesh output by the system right now isn’t accurate enough 
to send to a 3D printer,” de With wrote on the Halide website. “But it’s a 
great starting point for a 3D model, since all the proportions will be very 
accurate.”

In reality, LiDAR scanners are likely to improve on two main things: virtual 
object placement (like shopping apps) and AR gaming. These are already possible 
on non-LiDAR iPhones, but it adds an extra layer of accuracy to things like 
dimensions and the precise distance to an object in a room.

You can also expect a more seamless AR experience, particularly when placing 
virtual items in the real world. For example, the iPhone 12 Pro should be 
better able to identify real-world items in the foreground. This should make 
for more realistic interactions between virtual and real objects.

Virtual toys, characters, and scenery in a living room AR Experience on iPad 
Pro.

Apple also intends to use LiDAR to improve camera performance in low light. 
It’s implemented “focus pixels” in the iPhone XS, which is the company’s brand 
of phase-detect autofocus (PDAF). This technology still depends on light, which 
is why even the latest autofocus advancements don’t work all that well in the 
dark.

By sensing the distance between your iPhone and the subject you’re taking a 
picture of, Apple can tell the camera at what distance it should focus to get 
the best results. This should make it much easier to take better photos with 
your iPhone in the dark, especially when combined with Night mode.

Will LiDAR Become a Big Deal?
Presently, only two Apple devices have a sensor. Both are also priced at a 
premium and feature the “Pro” moniker, so LiDAR is a niche feature for now. 
However, that doesn’t mean software will be slow to catch on. Apple’s 
exhaustive list of software development kits (SDKs) includes ARKit, which was 
updated to version 4.0 in June 2020.

This update rolled out new features that leverage LiDAR into ARKit, allowing 
developers to take advantage

RE: How useful to blind users is the Lidar sensor?

[Carolyn]

And, what is it the LiDAR does? I know that Door Detector indicates door 
location and describes environment to an extent, but what is it that LiDAR 
does? 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Cris Ali
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 11:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How useful to blind users is the Lidar sensor?

Hi listers,
I can imagine that the Lidar sensor on the iPhone has great accessibility 
potentials. If there is any reason for me to have the urge to upgrade from XR 
to 14 pro is to have lidar on my phone. For those of you who have phones with 
lidar, how useful this has been so far? I am very curious.
I hope to hear your opinions on the subject.
Cheers

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RE: How useful to blind users is the Lidar sensor?

[Richard Turner]

It has been marginally useful for some things, but with iOS 16 and the door 
detection feature, it should become more useful for people who travel where 
they need to find a door into a building or an office.

I think GoodMaps Explore is beginning to incorporate it.

The Image description in the Magnifier now even recognizes light switches on 
the wall.  If you go to hotels much, this could be useful as well.
Now, Door, image, and people detection may not need LIDAR unless you want to 
know how far away the item is; but I'm not sure since I only have the 13 pro, 
so I cannot test on something without LIDAR.

Seeing AI and other apps use it, but their image database is pretty small.

HTH,


Richard
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which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2022 8:26 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: How useful to blind users is the Lidar sensor?

Hi listers,
I can imagine that the Lidar sensor on the iPhone has great accessibility 
potentials. If there is any reason for me to have the urge to upgrade from XR 
to 14 pro is to have lidar on my phone. For those of you who have phones with 
lidar, how useful this has been so far? I am very curious.
I hope to hear your opinions on the subject.
Cheers

Sent from my iPhone

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How useful to blind users is the Lidar sensor?

[Cris Ali]

Hi listers,
I can imagine that the Lidar sensor on the iPhone has great accessibility 
potentials. If there is any reason for me to have the urge to upgrade from XR 
to 14 pro is to have lidar on my phone. For those of you who have phones with 
lidar, how useful this has been so far? I am very curious.
I hope to hear your opinions on the subject.
Cheers

Sent from my iPhone

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RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[M. Taylor]

I am just posting a test message to this thread.  Please ignore.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Wednesday, September 14, 2022 6:11 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

And even if they crack the code they might find resetting the phone challenging 
without the apple password.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 13, 2022 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You have to realize that many iPhone which get stolen and are locked with a 
passcode and Face Id/Touch Id are simply broken down for parts and shipped off 
to places like Asia, South America and so on where they then sell the 
batteries, screens and so on. Nobody who steels a locked iPhone can crack a 
well chosen 6-digit PIN by which I mean they may try 123456 or 11 or 112233 
and you'd be surprised that there are probably people who use such codes.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 7:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

That is what I think for the most part. Probably, somewhere, there is some 
rotten egg that could figure it out, but for the most part, scum who steal 
phones probably would not know what to do with it and would just pitch it. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 4:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

It would actually be interesting to see how a sighted thief who has know 
knowledge of voice over would handle it. They'd probably get freaked out by the 
voice and toss the phone away.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 12, 2022 3:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably 
more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd 
make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[chrisjudge1967]

And even if they crack the code they might find resetting the phone challenging 
without the apple password.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 13, 2022 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You have to realize that many iPhone which get stolen and are locked with a 
passcode and Face Id/Touch Id are simply broken down for parts and shipped off 
to places like Asia, South America and so on where they then sell the 
batteries, screens and so on. Nobody who steels a locked iPhone can crack a 
well chosen 6-digit PIN by which I mean they may try 123456 or 11 or 112233 
and you'd be surprised that there are probably people who use such codes.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 7:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

That is what I think for the most part. Probably, somewhere, there is some 
rotten egg that could figure it out, but for the most part, scum who steal 
phones probably would not know what to do with it and would just pitch it. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 4:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

It would actually be interesting to see how a sighted thief who has know 
knowledge of voice over would handle it. They'd probably get freaked out by the 
voice and toss the phone away.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 12, 2022 3:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably 
more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd 
make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
> learn something new.

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

You have to realize that many iPhone which get stolen and are locked with a 
passcode and Face Id/Touch Id are simply broken down for parts and shipped off 
to places like Asia, South America and so on where they then sell the 
batteries, screens and so on. Nobody who steels a locked iPhone can crack a 
well chosen 6-digit PIN by which I mean they may try 123456 or 11 or 112233 
and you'd be surprised that there are probably people who use such codes.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 7:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

That is what I think for the most part. Probably, somewhere, there is some 
rotten egg that could figure it out, but for the most part, scum who steal 
phones probably would not know what to do with it and would just pitch it. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 4:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

It would actually be interesting to see how a sighted thief who has know 
knowledge of voice over would handle it. They'd probably get freaked out by the 
voice and toss the phone away.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 12, 2022 3:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably 
more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd 
make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
> learn something new.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
&

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Carolyn]

That is what I think for the most part. Probably, somewhere, there is some 
rotten egg that could figure it out, but for the most part, scum who steal 
phones probably would not know what to do with it and would just pitch it. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Tuesday, September 13, 2022 4:49 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

It would actually be interesting to see how a sighted thief who has know 
knowledge of voice over would handle it. They'd probably get freaked out by the 
voice and toss the phone away.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 12, 2022 3:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably 
more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd 
make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
> learn something new.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think 
> it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do 
> those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the 
> top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big 
> of a deal.

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[chrisjudge1967]

It would actually be interesting to see how a sighted thief who has know 
knowledge of voice over would handle it. They'd probably get freaked out by the 
voice and toss the phone away.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 12, 2022 3:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably 
more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd 
make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
> learn something new.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think 
> it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do 
> those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the 
> top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big 
> of a deal.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>> 
>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>> 
>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
>> worst, with iPhone release this time around.
>> 
>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.
>> 
>> Removing the SIM tr

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Carolyn]

Yes, anyone here does too, but they're not crooks. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 5:21 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Assuming they knew what voiceover was and most people 
don't, even my husband and kids who know what it is get vonfused as all get out 
with the black screen. It's quite entertaining A thief would probably just toss 
the phone which really isn't a problem in terms of data because of the cloud 
backups. 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Yes, but all somebody would have to do is to press and hold the side button and 
tell SIRI "Turn off Voiceover" and off goes Voiceover and the screen curtain.
And you can be sure that people who make a living out of stealing and who 
potentially specialize on iPhones would know what Voiceover is and what screen 
curtain is.
A Google search for "iPhone screen is black" brought up lots of results about a 
non-responsive iPhone, but it also brought up an article about scret features 
of the iPhone and accessibility features and there it said:

Screen curtain to protect your privacy
Another great iPhone feature is called Screen Curtain, and it works using 
VoiceOver.
Let's say you want to check your bank balance on public transport, but you 
don't want anyone to see.
You can turn Screen Curtain on and it'll keep your phone awake and 
touch-sensitive – but turn the display off.
Then you can tap on the screen to scroll through items on the page, and listen 
to your bank balance read aloud.
Then simply turn Screen Curtain back off, and use your phone as normal.

To do this, go to Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver, and turn it 
on.
Then to toggle Screen Curtain on or off, triple tap with three fingers.

I am not saying that many people have no idea what it is, but I am also saying 
don't totally rely on screen curtain to prevent the theft or unauthorized use 
of  your iPhone.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Not if they know to do it, every person who I know that 
can see has looked at the phone gone "It's black" or "Um, I can't see nything" 
and then walked away all confused. This includes my kids, my husband, people I 
know love and trust. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably 
more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd 
make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 20

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Star Gazer]

Assuming they knew what voiceover was and most people 
don't, even my husband and kids who know what it is get vonfused as all get out 
with the black screen. It's quite entertaining 
A thief would probably just toss the phone which really isn't a problem in 
terms of data because of the cloud backups. 
-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Yes, but all somebody would have to do is to press and hold the side button and 
tell SIRI "Turn off Voiceover" and off goes Voiceover and the screen curtain.
And you can be sure that people who make a living out of stealing and who 
potentially specialize on iPhones would know what Voiceover is and what screen 
curtain is.
A Google search for "iPhone screen is black" brought up lots of results about a 
non-responsive iPhone, but it also brought up an article about scret features 
of the iPhone and accessibility features and there it said:

Screen curtain to protect your privacy
Another great iPhone feature is called Screen Curtain, and it works using 
VoiceOver.
Let's say you want to check your bank balance on public transport, but you 
don't want anyone to see.
You can turn Screen Curtain on and it'll keep your phone awake and 
touch-sensitive – but turn the display off.
Then you can tap on the screen to scroll through items on the page, and listen 
to your bank balance read aloud.
Then simply turn Screen Curtain back off, and use your phone as normal.

To do this, go to Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver, and turn it 
on.
Then to toggle Screen Curtain on or off, triple tap with three fingers.

I am not saying that many people have no idea what it is, but I am also saying 
don't totally rely on screen curtain to prevent the theft or unauthorized use 
of  your iPhone.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Not if they know to do it, every person who I know that 
can see has looked at the phone gone "It's black" or "Um, I can't see nything" 
and then walked away all confused. This includes my kids, my husband, people I 
know love and trust. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably 
more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd 
make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone fro

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Carolyn]

But my cousin says that some thieves are very savvy. I figured with Screen 
Curtain and Voiceover on, they'd just pitch it, and I have said that loud and 
clear all around here to friends, so that they'll believe it, pass on the rumor 
and maybe spare me a local thief or two. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 3:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Not if they know to do it, every person who I know that 
can see has looked at the phone gone "It's black" or "Um, I can't see nything" 
and then walked away all confused. This includes my kids, my husband, people I 
know love and trust. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably 
more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd 
make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
> learn something new.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think 
> it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do 
> those gestures where you have to slide 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Carolyn]

Sieghard, my cousin says that exact, same thing. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably 
more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd 
make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
> learn something new.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think 
> it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do 
> those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the 
> top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big 
> of a deal.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>> 
>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>> 
>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
>> worst, with iPhone release this time around.
>> 
>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.
>> 
>> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
>> Wireless has had some problems with Activating an

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Carolyn]

Yes, you do pay for that plan. So, when I contact AT, I am going to see what 
they offer me, and then turn in my 11 and charge the price on my Visa card, 
like where they charge my bill. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I am with Verizon. I am a little suspicious of them, because they offer the 
most money if you upgrade to a different plan. So you wind up paying for that 
discount they are giving you overtime. Just read the fine print and make sure 
you know the details.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that, might be worth waiting after all. I think AT can give me 
> a trade up. 
> 
> I'm just so glad for Jonathan Mosen's pod cast, good thing to have, since I 
> am not able to access the Hadley iPhone videos any more. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> You might as well wait for the 14 pro. I don't think the cost is going to be 
> much different and you will get the nice new start up chime.
> 
> Chris Judge
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: September 12, 2022 10:24 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Yes, and since I now have seen it demonstrated on Jonathan Mosen's podcast, 
> my long-wanted iPhone 13 Mini has to go bye bye, so I can get a 13 Pro. I do 
> want to wait until after an upcoming move, maybe Cyber Monday or thereabouts, 
> but I just was really in to all of that description about doors and what 
> color things were. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Any Pro phone starting with the iPhone 12 Pro has it which means the 12 Pro, 
> 12 Pro Max, 13 Pro, 13 Pro Max, 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> mi...@eastlink.ca
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Hi well I would like to take advantage of Lidar and door detection. And I was 
> under the impression that only the 13 max moddles and bigger have this. From 
> Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: September 11, 2022 4:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see 
> the Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if 
> you are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much 
> prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in 
> Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these 
> Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the 
> battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost..
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> mi...@eastlink.ca
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
> when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will 
> try then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as 
> well. Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not 
> forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR 
> and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting 
> old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted 
> people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good 
> motivation, then there 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Carolyn]

I'm with you there, 100%. I am way not above allowing someone to use my phone, 
but someone I know, and in a situation that I more or les control, as far as 
the phone is concerned. I am not in the habit of leaving mine lying out other 
than sometimes at home. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:50 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Caroline, don’t get me wrong, if somebody wishes to use my phone and they ask 
me and tell me why they want to use it, I will allow it. But I make that 
choice. I would never leave my phone sitting on a table. Too many people can 
pick it up and do things to it. We have a granddaughter and my wife’s phone 
gets picked up by her all the time and God knows what happens when she does 
that. But, I’m not gonna worry about that.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2022, at 1:44 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes, that is bullying to the nth degree, and I'd have a kinniption. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Les Kriegler
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:08 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Well that stated. With all due respect, people that feel anyway they want to 
> buy face ID. But that is not in my opinion the issue here this year is Mark‘s 
> friend. I’d be furious if anybody picked up my phone and unlock it. That’s 
> over the top.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>On Sep 12, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Star Gazer  wrote:
>
>
> 
>
> 
>Yes, I keep mine in direct 
> contact with my body. Also turning the screen curtain saves battery life, 
> everything still works, just the display is dark which seems to drive people 
> who can see absolutely crazy. 
> 
> 
> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
> Kriegler
>Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:41 AM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> 
> 
>I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my 
> phone it’s me.
> 
>Sent from my iPhone
> 
>
>
>
> 
>On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale 
> mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:
> 
>Wow!  What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you!  I never put in Face 
> ID, and was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post, 
> I'll stick to my pass code.  However, what if someone sees me punching in the 
> numbers?  Oops!  That would be horrible if that happened.
> 
> 
> 
>I feel so badly for you.
> 
> 
> 
>Esther
> 
>Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
> 
>
>
>
> 
>On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> 
>Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been 
> pissed as well.
>
>Chris Judge
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
>Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
>To: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> 
>Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>
>You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.
>
>Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.
>
>Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine 
> and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone 
> because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up 
> the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could 
> unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me.
>
>It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  
>
>I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see 
> her pick up my phone?"  Wow!
>
>I just don't like Face ID!
>
>Mark
>    
>-Original Message-
>   

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Dennis Long]

I completely agree with you Sieghard. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:04 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Yes, but all somebody would have to do is to press and hold the side button and 
tell SIRI "Turn off Voiceover" and off goes Voiceover and the screen curtain.
And you can be sure that people who make a living out of stealing and who 
potentially specialize on iPhones would know what Voiceover is and what screen 
curtain is.
A Google search for "iPhone screen is black" brought up lots of results about a 
non-responsive iPhone, but it also brought up an article about scret features 
of the iPhone and accessibility features and there it said:

Screen curtain to protect your privacy
Another great iPhone feature is called Screen Curtain, and it works using 
VoiceOver.
Let's say you want to check your bank balance on public transport, but you 
don't want anyone to see.
You can turn Screen Curtain on and it'll keep your phone awake and 
touch-sensitive – but turn the display off.
Then you can tap on the screen to scroll through items on the page, and listen 
to your bank balance read aloud.
Then simply turn Screen Curtain back off, and use your phone as normal.

To do this, go to Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver, and turn it 
on.
Then to toggle Screen Curtain on or off, triple tap with three fingers.

I am not saying that many people have no idea what it is, but I am also saying 
don't totally rely on screen curtain to prevent the theft or unauthorized use 
of  your iPhone.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Not if they know to do it, every person who I know that 
can see has looked at the phone gone "It's black" or "Um, I can't see nything" 
and then walked away all confused. This includes my kids, my husband, people I 
know love and trust. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably 
more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd 
make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
&g

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Yes, but all somebody would have to do is to press and hold the side button and 
tell SIRI "Turn off Voiceover" and off goes Voiceover and the screen curtain.
And you can be sure that people who make a living out of stealing and who 
potentially specialize on iPhones would know what Voiceover is and what screen 
curtain is.
A Google search for "iPhone screen is black" brought up lots of results about a 
non-responsive iPhone, but it also brought up an article about scret features 
of the iPhone and accessibility features and there it said:

Screen curtain to protect your privacy
Another great iPhone feature is called Screen Curtain, and it works using 
VoiceOver.
Let's say you want to check your bank balance on public transport, but you 
don't want anyone to see.
You can turn Screen Curtain on and it'll keep your phone awake and 
touch-sensitive – but turn the display off.
Then you can tap on the screen to scroll through items on the page, and listen 
to your bank balance read aloud.
Then simply turn Screen Curtain back off, and use your phone as normal.

To do this, go to Settings > General > Accessibility > VoiceOver, and turn it 
on.
Then to toggle Screen Curtain on or off, triple tap with three fingers.

I am not saying that many people have no idea what it is, but I am also saying 
don't totally rely on screen curtain to prevent the theft or unauthorized use 
of  your iPhone.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:51 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Not if they know to do it, every person who I know that 
can see has looked at the phone gone "It's black" or "Um, I can't see nything" 
and then walked away all confused. This includes my kids, my husband, people I 
know love and trust. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably 
more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd 
make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> con

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Star Gazer]

Not if they know to do it, every person who I know that 
can see has looked at the phone gone "It's black" or "Um, I can't see nything" 
and then walked away all confused. This includes my kids, my husband, people I 
know love and trust. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 2:38 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably 
more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd 
make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
> learn something new.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think 
> it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do 
> those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the 
> top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big 
> of a deal.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>> 
>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>> 
>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
>> worst, with iPhone release this time around.
>> 
>> I was hoping

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

But anybody who knows just a little and you can assume any thief knows probably 
more than that can just turn Voiceover off and bingo, no more screen curtain.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Star 
Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 8:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd 
make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
> learn something new.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think 
> it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do 
> those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the 
> top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big 
> of a deal.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>> 
>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>> 
>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
>> worst, with iPhone release this time around.
>> 
>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.
>> 
>> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
>> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
>> settings when eSim is activated.  This is according to several articles I've 
>> read, recently.
>> 
>> I just don't know, I just don't know.
>> 
>> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely 
&

Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Les Kriegler]

I am with Verizon. I am a little suspicious of them, because they offer the 
most money if you upgrade to a different plan. So you wind up paying for that 
discount they are giving you overtime. Just read the fine print and make sure 
you know the details.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2022, at 1:47 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks for that, might be worth waiting after all. I think AT can give me 
> a trade up. 
> 
> I'm just so glad for Jonathan Mosen's pod cast, good thing to have, since I 
> am not able to access the Hadley iPhone videos any more. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:57 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> You might as well wait for the 14 pro. I don't think the cost is going to be 
> much different and you will get the nice new start up chime.
> 
> Chris Judge
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
> Sent: September 12, 2022 10:24 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Yes, and since I now have seen it demonstrated on Jonathan Mosen's podcast, 
> my long-wanted iPhone 13 Mini has to go bye bye, so I can get a 13 Pro. I do 
> want to wait until after an upcoming move, maybe Cyber Monday or thereabouts, 
> but I just was really in to all of that description about doors and what 
> color things were. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:21 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Any Pro phone starting with the iPhone 12 Pro has it which means the 12 Pro, 
> 12 Pro Max, 13 Pro, 13 Pro Max, 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> mi...@eastlink.ca
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:03 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Hi well I would like to take advantage of Lidar and door detection. And I was 
> under the impression that only the 13 max moddles and bigger have this. From 
> Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: September 11, 2022 4:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see 
> the Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if 
> you are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much 
> prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in 
> Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these 
> Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the 
> battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost..
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> mi...@eastlink.ca
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
> when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will 
> try then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as 
> well. Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not 
> forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR 
> and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting 
> old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted 
> people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good 
> motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera 
> on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the 
> emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot 
> could offer some peace of mind.
> And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a 
> good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going 
>

Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Les Kriegler]

Caroline, don’t get me wrong, if somebody wishes to use my phone and they ask 
me and tell me why they want to use it, I will allow it. But I make that 
choice. I would never leave my phone sitting on a table. Too many people can 
pick it up and do things to it. We have a granddaughter and my wife’s phone 
gets picked up by her all the time and God knows what happens when she does 
that. But, I’m not gonna worry about that.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2022, at 1:44 PM, Carolyn <4carol...@windstream.net> wrote:
> 
> Yes, that is bullying to the nth degree, and I'd have a kinniption. 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Les Kriegler
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:08 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Well that stated. With all due respect, people that feel anyway they want to 
> buy face ID. But that is not in my opinion the issue here this year is Mark‘s 
> friend. I’d be furious if anybody picked up my phone and unlock it. That’s 
> over the top.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>On Sep 12, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Star Gazer  wrote:
>
>
> 
>
> 
>Yes, I keep mine in direct 
> contact with my body. Also turning the screen curtain saves battery life, 
> everything still works, just the display is dark which seems to drive people 
> who can see absolutely crazy. 
> 
> 
> 
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
> Kriegler
>Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:41 AM
>To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> 
> 
>I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my 
> phone it’s me.
> 
>Sent from my iPhone
> 
>
>
>
> 
>On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale 
> mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:
> 
>Wow!  What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you!  I never put in Face 
> ID, and was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post, 
> I'll stick to my pass code.  However, what if someone sees me punching in the 
> numbers?  Oops!  That would be horrible if that happened.
> 
> 
> 
>I feel so badly for you.
> 
> 
> 
>Esther
> 
>Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
> 
>
>
>
> 
>On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com 
> <mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com>  wrote:
> 
>Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been 
> pissed as well.
>
>Chris Judge
>
>
>-Original Message-
>From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
> mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
>Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
>To: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> 
>Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
>Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>
>You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.
>
>Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.
>
>Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine 
> and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone 
> because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up 
> the phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could 
> unlock the device by simply pointing it towards me.
>
>It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  
>
>I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see 
> her pick up my phone?"  Wow!
>
>I just don't like Face ID!
>
>Mark
>    
>-Original Message-
>From: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> 
>  mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
> Donna Casteen
>Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
>To: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> 
>Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>
>I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than 
> facial ID

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Carolyn]

Thanks for that, might be worth waiting after all. I think AT can give me a 
trade up. 

I'm just so glad for Jonathan Mosen's pod cast, good thing to have, since I am 
not able to access the Hadley iPhone videos any more. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:57 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You might as well wait for the 14 pro. I don't think the cost is going to be 
much different and you will get the nice new start up chime.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: September 12, 2022 10:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Yes, and since I now have seen it demonstrated on Jonathan Mosen's podcast, my 
long-wanted iPhone 13 Mini has to go bye bye, so I can get a 13 Pro. I do want 
to wait until after an upcoming move, maybe Cyber Monday or thereabouts, but I 
just was really in to all of that description about doors and what color things 
were. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Any Pro phone starting with the iPhone 12 Pro has it which means the 12 Pro, 12 
Pro Max, 13 Pro, 13 Pro Max, 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Hi well I would like to take advantage of Lidar and door detection. And I was 
under the impression that only the 13 max moddles and bigger have this. >From 
Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 4:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the 
Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you 
are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much 
prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in 
Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these 
Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the 
battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost..

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try 
then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. 
Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget 
there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they 
wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any 
iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who 
drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then 
there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus 
and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via 
satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some 
peace of mind.
And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good 
deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait 
for that.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I 
might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think 
a lot of people won't upgrade.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

>From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
an iPh

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Carolyn]

Yes, that is bullying to the nth degree, and I'd have a kinniption. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 12:08 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Well that stated. With all due respect, people that feel anyway they want to 
buy face ID. But that is not in my opinion the issue here this year is Mark‘s 
friend. I’d be furious if anybody picked up my phone and unlock it. That’s over 
the top.


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 12, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Star Gazer  
wrote:





Yes, I keep mine in 
direct contact with my body. Also turning the screen curtain saves battery 
life, everything still works, just the display is dark which seems to drive 
people who can see absolutely crazy. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

 

I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my 
phone it’s me.

Sent from my iPhone





On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale 
mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

Wow!  What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you!  I never put 
in Face ID, and was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your 
post, I'll stick to my pass code.  However, what if someone sees me punching in 
the numbers?  Oops!  That would be horrible if that happened.

 

I feel so badly for you.

 

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!





On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com 
<mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com>  wrote:

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd 
have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> 
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
    Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or 
low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend 
of mine and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone 
because she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the 
phone but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock 
the device by simply pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the 
least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough 
vision to see her pick up my phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com>  mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of Donna Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com 
<mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure 
than facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our 
phone out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could 
lock the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all 
within 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just 
happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more 
secure.

Donna




 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Carolyn]

Plus,l the friend was just one more bully for blind people. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Star Gazer
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:56 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd 
make sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
> learn something new.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf 
> Of Mary Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think 
> it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do 
> those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the 
> top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big 
> of a deal.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>> 
>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>> 
>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
>> worst, with iPhone release this time around.
>> 
>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.
>> 
>> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
>> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
>> settings when eSim is activated.  This is according to several articles I've 
>> read, recently.
>> 
>> I just don't know, I just don't know.
>> 
>> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely 
>> going to miss Touch ID.
>> 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Carolyn]

I'm like you, Les, pocket or purse, but pocket if at all possible. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Les Kriegler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my phone 
it’s me.


Sent from my iPhone


On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale 
 wrote:




Wow!  What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you!  I never put in Face 
ID, and was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post, 
I'll stick to my pass code.  However, what if someone sees me punching in the 
numbers?  Oops!  That would be horrible if that happened.

I feel so badly for you.

Esther


Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!


On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:



Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been 
pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine 
and she picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because 
she wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone 
but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the 
device by simply pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to 
see her pick up my phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On 
Behalf Of Donna Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than 
facial IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone 
out of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock 
the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 
15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & 
to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna






I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I 
don't think it's new, and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but 
I do prefer touch ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to 
be more convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without 
having to put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a 
feature without it having to be all about their blindness or their 
unwillingness to learn something new.





--


Christopher (AKA CJ)


Chaltain at Outlook





-Original Message-


From: vipho...@googlegroups.com 
 On Behalf Of Mary Otten


Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM


To: vipho...@googlegroups.com


Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?





I agree with whoever it was that said when they first 
got a phone with Face ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now 
for some time, and Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ 
with touch ID. And I have to use my 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[chrisjudge1967]

Me as well.

 

Chris Judge

 <https://www.freedomscientific.com/Training/Certification> 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: September 12, 2022 12:41 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

 

I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my phone 
it’s me.

Sent from my iPhone





On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

Wow!  What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you!  I never put in Face ID, and 
was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post, I'll stick 
to my pass code.  However, what if someone sees me punching in the numbers?  
Oops!  That would be horrible if that happened.

 

I feel so badly for you.

 

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!





On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com 
<mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com>  wrote:

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> 
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Donna Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna




 

I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, and 
I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch ID. I 
find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more convenient. There 
are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to put it in front of 
my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature without it having to 
be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to learn something new.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook

 

-Original Message-

From: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten

Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM

To: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> 

Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

 

I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face ID, 
it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and Face ID 
works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. And I have 
to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 10r. I think 
people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think it’s hard if 
you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do those gestures 
where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the top. Try it. Put 
your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big of a deal.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> 
> wrote:

 

Hello Dennis and Everyone,

 

Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.

 

I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at worst, 
with iPhone release this time around.

 

I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.

 

Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
se

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[chrisjudge1967]

You might as well wait for the 14 pro. I don't think the cost is going to be 
much different and you will get the nice new start up chime.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Carolyn
Sent: September 12, 2022 10:24 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Yes, and since I now have seen it demonstrated on Jonathan Mosen's podcast, my 
long-wanted iPhone 13 Mini has to go bye bye, so I can get a 13 Pro. I do want 
to wait until after an upcoming move, maybe Cyber Monday or thereabouts, but I 
just was really in to all of that description about doors and what color things 
were. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Any Pro phone starting with the iPhone 12 Pro has it which means the 12 Pro, 12 
Pro Max, 13 Pro, 13 Pro Max, 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Hi well I would like to take advantage of Lidar and door detection. And I was 
under the impression that only the 13 max moddles and bigger have this. >From 
Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 4:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the 
Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you 
are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much 
prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in 
Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these 
Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the 
battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost..

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try 
then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. 
Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget 
there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they 
wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any 
iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who 
drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then 
there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus 
and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via 
satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some 
peace of mind.
And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good 
deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait 
for that.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I 
might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think 
a lot of people won't upgrade.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

>From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular 
models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. 
They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus 
so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The 
emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for 
people who go off the grid

Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Les Kriegler]

Well that stated. With all due respect, people that feel anyway they want to 
buy face ID. But that is not in my opinion the issue here this year is Mark‘s 
friend. I’d be furious if anybody picked up my phone and unlock it. That’s over 
the top.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2022, at 12:05 PM, Star Gazer  wrote:
> 
> 
> Yes, I keep mine in direct 
> contact with my body. Also turning the screen curtain saves battery life, 
> everything still works, just the display is dark which seems to drive people 
> who can see absolutely crazy.
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
> Kriegler
> Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:41 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>  
> I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my phone 
> it’s me.
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale  
> wrote:
> 
> Wow!  What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you!  I never put in Face ID, 
> and was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post, I'll 
> stick to my pass code.  However, what if someone sees me punching in the 
> numbers?  Oops!  That would be horrible if that happened.
>  
> I feel so badly for you.
>  
> Esther
> 
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
> 
> 
> On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.
> 
> Chris Judge
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.
> 
> Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.
> 
> Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she 
> picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she 
> wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, 
> thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device 
> by simply pointing it towards me.
> 
> It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  
> 
> I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up 
> my phone?"  Wow!
> 
> I just don't like Face ID!
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Donna Casteen
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
> IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out 
> of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
> phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 
> 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened 
> & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.
> 
> Donna
> 
> 
>  
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
> learn something new.
>  
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>  
> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think 
> it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do 
> those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the 
> top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big 
> 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Star Gazer]

Yes, I keep mine in direct 
contact with my body. Also turning the screen curtain saves battery life, 
everything still works, just the display is dark which seems to drive people 
who can see absolutely crazy. 

 

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 11:41 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

 

I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my phone 
it’s me.

Sent from my iPhone





On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale mailto:elevegn...@sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

Wow!  What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you!  I never put in Face ID, and 
was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post, I'll stick 
to my pass code.  However, what if someone sees me punching in the numbers?  
Oops!  That would be horrible if that happened.

 

I feel so badly for you.

 

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!





On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com 
<mailto:chrisjudge1...@gmail.com>  wrote:

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of M. 
Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> 
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com <mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Donna Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> 
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna




 

I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, and 
I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch ID. I 
find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more convenient. There 
are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to put it in front of 
my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature without it having to 
be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to learn something new.

 

--

Christopher (AKA CJ)

Chaltain at Outlook

 

-Original Message-

From: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com>  
mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> > On Behalf Of 
Mary Otten

Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM

To: vipho...@googlegroups.com <mailto:vipho...@googlegroups.com> 

Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

 

I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face ID, 
it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and Face ID 
works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. And I have 
to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 10r. I think 
people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think it’s hard if 
you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do those gestures 
where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the top. Try it. Put 
your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big of a deal.

 

 

Sent from my iPhone

 

On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor mailto:mk...@ucla.edu> 
> wrote:

 

Hello Dennis and Everyone,

 

Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.

 

I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at worst, 
with iPhone release this time around.

 

I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not go

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Star Gazer]

Why didn't she use her own phone?
My phone makes a sound when it unlocks, I have it set as one of the haptic 
options
I'd be having a serious talk with your friend about boundaries, or I'd make 
sure I had stuff on the phone that would embarrass her. 
Really though, this is a boundary issue not a phone issue. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:51 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
> learn something new.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think 
> it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do 
> those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the 
> top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big 
> of a deal.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>> 
>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>> 
>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
>> worst, with iPhone release this time around.
>> 
>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.
>> 
>> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
>> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
>> settings when eSim is activated.  This is according to several articles I've 
>> read, recently.
>> 
>> I just don't know, I just don't know.
>> 
>> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely 
>> going to miss Touch ID.
>> 
>> Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first 
>> couple of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the 
>> new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on the path to 
>> iPhone 14.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
&

Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Les Kriegler]

I keep my phone in my pocket the only person who gets their hands on my phone 
it’s me.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 12, 2022, at 11:06 AM, Esther Levegnale  
> wrote:
> 
> Wow!  What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you!  I never put in Face ID, 
> and was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post, I'll 
> stick to my pass code.  However, what if someone sees me punching in the 
> numbers?  Oops!  That would be horrible if that happened.
> 
> I feel so badly for you.
> 
> Esther
> 
> Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!
> 
>>> On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
>>> 
>> Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.
>> 
>> Chris Judge
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
>> Taylor
>> Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>> Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>> 
>> You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.
>> 
>> Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.
>> 
>> Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she 
>> picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she 
>> wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone 
>> but, thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the 
>> device by simply pointing it towards me.
>> 
>> It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  
>> 
>> I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up 
>> my phone?"  Wow!
>> 
>> I just don't like Face ID!
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Donna Casteen
>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>> 
>> I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
>> IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out 
>> of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock 
>> the phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 
>> 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just 
>> happened & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be 
>> more secure.
>> 
>> Donna
>> 
>>> 
>>> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
>>> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
>>> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
>>> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having 
>>> to put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a 
>>> feature without it having to be all about their blindness or their 
>>> unwillingness to learn something new.
>>> 
>>> --
>>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>>> Chaltain at Outlook
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Mary Otten
>>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
>>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>>> 
>>> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
>>> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
>>> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
>>> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
>>> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they 
>>> think it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, 
>>> but so do those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down 
>>> from the top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s 
>>> not that big of a deal.
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>> 
>>>>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>>>> 
>>>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>>>> 
>>>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
>>>> worst, with

Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Esther Levegnale]

NO KIDDING!  RIGHT?

ESTHER

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Sep 11, 2022, at 10:43 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
> 
> You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.
> 
> Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.
> 
> Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she 
> picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she 
> wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, 
> thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device 
> by simply pointing it towards me.
> 
> It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  
> 
> I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up 
> my phone?"  Wow!
> 
> I just don't like Face ID!
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Donna Casteen
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
> IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out 
> of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
> phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 
> 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened 
> & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.
> 
> Donna
> 
>> 
>> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
>> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
>> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
>> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
>> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
>> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
>> learn something new.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Mary Otten
>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>> 
>> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
>> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
>> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
>> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
>> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they 
>> think it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but 
>> so do those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from 
>> the top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not 
>> that big of a deal.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>>> 
>>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>>> 
>>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
>>> worst, with iPhone release this time around.
>>> 
>>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.
>>> 
>>> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
>>> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
>>> settings when eSim is activated.  This is according to several articles 
>>> I've read, recently.
>>> 
>>> I just don't know, I just don't know.
>>> 
>>> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely 
>>> going to miss Touch ID.
>>> 
>>> Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first 
>>> couple of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the 
>>> new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on the path to 
>>> iPhone 14.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Dennis Long
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have L

Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Esther Levegnale]

Wow!  What a terribly sneaky thing to do to you!  I never put in Face ID, and 
was seriously thinking of doing that, but now that I read your post, I'll stick 
to my pass code.  However, what if someone sees me punching in the numbers?  
Oops!  That would be horrible if that happened.

I feel so badly for you.

Esther

Sent From Esther's Amazing and Awesome iPhone 13 Pro Max!

> On Sep 12, 2022, at 4:50 AM, chrisjudge1...@gmail.com wrote:
> 
> Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.
> 
> Chris Judge
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. 
> Taylor
> Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.
> 
> Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.
> 
> Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she 
> picked up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she 
> wanted to make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, 
> thinking it was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device 
> by simply pointing it towards me.
> 
> It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  
> 
> I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up 
> my phone?"  Wow!
> 
> I just don't like Face ID!
> 
> Mark
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Donna Casteen
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
> IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out 
> of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
> phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 
> 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened 
> & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.
> 
> Donna
> 
>> 
>> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
>> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
>> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
>> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
>> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
>> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
>> learn something new.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Mary Otten
>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>> 
>> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
>> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
>> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
>> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
>> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they 
>> think it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but 
>> so do those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from 
>> the top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not 
>> that big of a deal.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>>> 
>>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>>> 
>>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
>>> worst, with iPhone release this time around.
>>> 
>>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.
>>> 
>>> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
>>> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
>>> settings when eSim is activated.  This is according to several articles 
>>> I've read, recently.
>>> 
>>> I just don't know, I just don't know.
>>> 
>>> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely 
>>> going to mi

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Carolyn]

I can put my iPhone on Bluetooth to my hearing aids, so I can be out in public 
and put that Detection feature to good use without others hearing it. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
chrisjudge1...@gmail.com
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 4:39 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Hey Mitch. So are you really considering the 14 max? I ask because I think the 
14 pro will be roughly the same size. Not quite so large a screen but if you 
don't have useful vision and don't require the extra screen size, going with 
the pro will cost you around the same and you will have the benefit of lidar. 
There might not be much about lidar of interest to you right now, but I believe 
it will be used for more things as time goes on. Myself I can't wait to try 
this door detection thingy.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: September 11, 2022 7:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I ment black Friday lol. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: September 11, 2022 5:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Mitch,
Good Friday is April 7, 2023.  Or did you mean Black Friday, the day after US 
Thanksgiving for the pre-Christmas sales?  That is November 25th.  

I am with Sieghard, unless you have a good reason for the larger phone/battery 
life, or enough vision to take advantage of the larger screen, the Pro size 
would be more affordable and get pretty much the same performance other than 
maybe a little less battery life; but they are talking all day battery life 
with either pro or pro max, so the suggestion of a battery pack is a good one.

I think you said you have an 8 now, so any of the 14's will be a huge 
improvement.


Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

My web site: https://www.turner42.com
礪

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the 
Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you 
are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much 
prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in 
Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these 
Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the 
battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost..

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try 
then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. 
Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget 
there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they 
wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any 
iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who 
drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then 
there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus 
and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via 
satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some 
peace of mind.
And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good 
deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait 
for that.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I 
might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think 
a lot of people won't upgrade.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Carolyn]

Yes, and since I now have seen it demonstrated on Jonathan Mosen's podcast, my 
long-wanted iPhone 13 Mini has to go bye bye, so I can get a 13 Pro. I do want 
to wait until after an upcoming move, maybe Cyber Monday or thereabouts, but I 
just was really in to all of that description about doors and what color things 
were. 

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel
Sent: Monday, September 12, 2022 1:21 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Any Pro phone starting with the iPhone 12 Pro has it which means the 12 Pro, 12 
Pro Max, 13 Pro, 13 Pro Max, 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Hi well I would like to take advantage of Lidar and door detection. And I was 
under the impression that only the 13 max moddles and bigger have this. >From 
Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 4:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the 
Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you 
are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much 
prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in 
Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these 
Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the 
battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost..

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try 
then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. 
Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget 
there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they 
wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any 
iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who 
drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then 
there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus 
and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via 
satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some 
peace of mind.
And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good 
deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait 
for that.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I 
might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think 
a lot of people won't upgrade.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

>From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular 
models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. 
They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus 
so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The 
emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for 
people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it.
I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, 
recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be 
able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 
Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good 
photography 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[chrisjudge1967]

Kind of a sneaky thing to do behind your back. I'd have been pissed as well.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of M. Taylor
Sent: September 11, 2022 11:43 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Cc: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
> learn something new.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think 
> it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do 
> those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the 
> top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big 
> of a deal.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>> 
>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>> 
>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
>> worst, with iPhone release this time around.
>> 
>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.
>> 
>> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
>> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
>> settings when eSim is activated.  This is according to several articles I've 
>> read, recently.
>> 
>> I just don't know, I just don't know.
>> 
>> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely 
>> going to miss Touch ID.
>> 
>> Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first 
>> couple of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the 
>> new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on the path to 
>> iPhone 14.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Dennis Long
>> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>> 
>> The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
>> will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC 
>> than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this 
>> year I 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[chrisjudge1967]

Hey Mitch. So are you really considering the 14 max? I ask because I think the 
14 pro will be roughly the same size. Not quite so large a screen but if you 
don't have useful vision and don't require the extra screen size, going with 
the pro will cost you around the same and you will have the benefit of lidar. 
There might not be much about lidar of interest to you right now, but I believe 
it will be used for more things as time goes on. Myself I can't wait to try 
this door detection thingy.

Chris Judge


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: September 11, 2022 7:58 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I ment black Friday lol. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: September 11, 2022 5:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Mitch,
Good Friday is April 7, 2023.  Or did you mean Black Friday, the day after US 
Thanksgiving for the pre-Christmas sales?  That is November 25th.  

I am with Sieghard, unless you have a good reason for the larger phone/battery 
life, or enough vision to take advantage of the larger screen, the Pro size 
would be more affordable and get pretty much the same performance other than 
maybe a little less battery life; but they are talking all day battery life 
with either pro or pro max, so the suggestion of a battery pack is a good one.

I think you said you have an 8 now, so any of the 14's will be a huge 
improvement.


Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

My web site: https://www.turner42.com
礪

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the 
Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you 
are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much 
prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in 
Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these 
Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the 
battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost..

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try 
then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. 
Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget 
there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they 
wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any 
iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who 
drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then 
there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus 
and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via 
satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some 
peace of mind.
And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good 
deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait 
for that.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I 
might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think 
a lot of people won't upgrade.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

>From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular 
models which st

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Any Pro phone starting with the iPhone 12 Pro has it which means the 12 Pro, 12 
Pro Max, 13 Pro, 13 Pro Max, 14 Pro and 14 Pro Max.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 4:03 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Hi well I would like to take advantage of Lidar and door detection. And I was 
under the impression that only the 13 max moddles and bigger have this. >From 
Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 4:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the 
Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you 
are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much 
prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in 
Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these 
Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the 
battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost..

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try 
then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. 
Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget 
there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they 
wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any 
iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who 
drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then 
there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus 
and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via 
satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some 
peace of mind.
And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good 
deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait 
for that.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I 
might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think 
a lot of people won't upgrade.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

>From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular 
models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. 
They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus 
so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The 
emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for 
people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it.
I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, 
recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be 
able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 
Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good 
photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want 
to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps 
which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 
Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 13 
Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well.

I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have upgraded 
to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I would have 
to give the phone back to them or buy out that option fo

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Vicky Collins]

Yeah, if I’m looking at the tech specs correctly for each phone, meaning looking in the sensors area for each of the 14 models, only the pro phones show having the LiDAR scanner.What with watching YouTube videos and reading on the internet, even though I did read and watch ahead of time, I still thought it was kind of sad that practically everything had been leaked before the Apple event and thus no last minute surprises or anything. Well, actually, although I had heard rumors of it happening at some point, I do admit to being surprised with the physical SIM card not being available on the 14s here in the States.I had heard a rumor about the price of the regular 14s starting at $749 instead of the $799 at which they are being priced, and I was really hoping that would’ve been the case. I mean, to my way of thinking, with the regular 14s not getting the new a16 processor while the pro models are getting it and staying at the same price point as last year’s models, the regular 14s are actually losing a benefit they used to get and thus their price should be adjusted just a bit to account for that.I used to think I would never pay so much for a phone as the pro models cost. However, when I buy a new iPhone, and I will at some point in the future because I sold four of my older phones to Apple and received Apple gift cards, I’ll be strongly considering the 14 Pro. For now, though, and remember that I have two cell phone lines because my internet is strictly through my phones as well as their hotspot feature, I’m using a 13 Mini and a 12 Mini, having sold all of my non 5G phones to Apple. Thus, it’s much easier to back up my phones to iCloud since I can now use cellular data to do it, and updating each phone without having to connect to the hotspot of the other is kind of nice too.As for Face ID, I think I would often still prefer Touch ID, especially at night when I’m in bed and the Face ID isn’t as easily done, although I did get much better with it as I used it more. Now, though, once I started getting Face ID to work most of the time, even while in bed, I decided to turn on the require attention for Face ID. Seeing as I have no vision at all and one prosthetic eye, I didn’t expect much, so I was surprised when Face ID worked at all when I had this setting turned on. When I’m up and about, it works about half the time for me now, but it rarely works for me when I’m in bed and want to check something on the phone, so I then wind up having to enter the passcode. While I likely wouldn’t ever really need the require attention to be turned on, since it is a bit more secure, I think I’ll continue using it for a bit longer to see if practicing more will get it to work any better for me. Sent from Mail for Windows From: Sieghard WeitzelSent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PMTo: viphone@googlegroups.comSubject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability? From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it.I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 13 Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well. I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have upgraded to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I would have to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. This means that over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to keep the phone I'd have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay $1,280. I can go to the Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in Canada for $1,399 so I guess doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or $120, but not a huge difference. AS for trade-in, Telus said they would give me $200 for my iPhone 11 64 Gb which is laughable because I know I could easily get $500 for it if I put it up for sale now privately.So I will just wait and see what happens for a while

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[M. Taylor]

Amen, Julian, Amen.

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Julian
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:27 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I personally like both touch ID and face ID. They both have their advantages 
and disadvantages. Overall, I lean more toward liking touch ID now just because 
I don't like having to put the phone in front of my face every single time I 
want to unlock and interact with it. I just wish they would give us both, like 
some android phones do.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 11, 2022, at 12:24 PM, Donna Casteen  wrote:
> 
> I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
> IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out 
> of our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
> phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 
> 15sec. It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened 
> & to react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.
> 
> Donna
> 
>> 
>> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
>> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
>> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
>> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
>> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
>> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
>> learn something new.
>> 
>> --
>> Christopher (AKA CJ)
>> Chaltain at Outlook
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Mary Otten
>> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
>> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>> 
>> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
>> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
>> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
>> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
>> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they 
>> think it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but 
>> so do those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from 
>> the top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not 
>> that big of a deal.
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>>>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>>> 
>>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>>> 
>>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
>>> worst, with iPhone release this time around.
>>> 
>>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.
>>> 
>>> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
>>> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
>>> settings when eSim is activated.  This is according to several articles 
>>> I've read, recently.
>>> 
>>> I just don't know, I just don't know.
>>> 
>>> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely 
>>> going to miss Touch ID.
>>> 
>>> Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first 
>>> couple of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the 
>>> new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on the path to 
>>> iPhone 14.
>>> 
>>> Mark
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Dennis Long
>>> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
>>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>>> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>>> 
>>> The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully 
>>> they will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the 
>>> USBC than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did 
>>> this year I think a lot of people won't upgrade.
>>> 
>>> -Original Message-
>>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>>> Sieghard Weitzel

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[M. Taylor]

You make an excellent point, Donna; you really do.

Theft is a real risk to those of us who are blind or low vision.

Not long ago, I was sitting on a couch next to a friend of mine and she picked 
up my 11 and pointed it at my face and unlocked my phone because she wanted to 
make a quick check of the weather; I saw her lift up the phone but, thinking it 
was my beloved 8 Plus, I forgot that she could unlock the device by simply 
pointing it towards me.

It was truly unsettling and I got angry, to say the least.  

I remember thinking, "what if I had not had enough vision to see her pick up my 
phone?"  Wow!

I just don't like Face ID!

Mark

-Original Message-
From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Donna 
Casteen
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 12:25 PM
To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I actually believe fingerprint unlock to be more secure than facial 
IDespecially for a blind person anyway. If a theif should slip our phone out of 
our pocket, purse etc or grab our phone from our hand, they could lock the 
phone, turn the phone back on & point the camera at our face all within 15sec. 
It would take most people half this time to realize what just happened & to 
react. But oh well, facial ID is what Apple "thinks" to be more secure.

Donna
 
> 
> I've been using touch ID since I got my iPhone 11. I don't think it's new, 
> and I don't think it's hard to use as a blind person, but I do prefer touch 
> ID. I find it more reliable for me. I also find touch ID to be more 
> convenient. There are just times I want to unlock my phone without having to 
> put it in front of my face. Sometimes blind people can just prefer a feature 
> without it having to be all about their blindness or their unwillingness to 
> learn something new.
> 
> --
> Christopher (AKA CJ)
> Chaltain at Outlook
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: vipho...@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Mary 
> Otten
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:56 PM
> To: vipho...@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I agree with whoever it was that said when they first got a phone with Face 
> ID, it was a little bit tricky. But I’ve had my 10 R now for some time, and 
> Face ID works just as reliably as touch ID. I have an old 7+ with touch ID. 
> And I have to use my pass code on that just about as often as I do on the 
> 10r. I think people make a big deal out of it because it’s new and they think 
> it’s hard if you’re blind. It isn’t. It does take getting used to, but so do 
> those gestures where you have to slide up from the bottom or down from the 
> top. Try it. Put your toe in the water, and you’ll find out it’s not that big 
> of a deal.
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Sep 10, 2022, at 10:26 PM, M. Taylor  wrote:
>> 
>> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>> 
>> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>> 
>> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
>> worst, with iPhone release this time around.
>> 
>> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.
>> 
>> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
>> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
>> settings when eSim is activated.  This is according to several articles I've 
>> read, recently.
>> 
>> I just don't know, I just don't know.
>> 
>> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely 
>> going to miss Touch ID.
>> 
>> Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first 
>> couple of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the 
>> new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on the path to 
>> iPhone 14.
>> 
>> Mark
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Dennis Long
>> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>> 
>> The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
>> will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC 
>> than I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this 
>> year I think a lot of people won't upgrade.
>> 
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
>> Sieghard Weitzel
>> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>> 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Robert,

To be quite honest, I've not had any real problems with Face ID; I just do not 
like it as much as Touch ID.

On my 11, I use the Tap Back feature to quickly return to the home screen but, 
again, I just do not like it as much as I like Touch ID.

On my beloved Galaxy, the in-screen Touch ID / Home Button work so well that I 
cannot understand why Apple will not implement it on its flagship devices.  

I use Apple Pay almost every time I buy something in a store and Face ID just 
feels weird when it comes to authenticating  purchases.  

In all fairness, however, I also use my Apple Watch for Apple Pay and it works 
flawlessly so ...

In the end, it just comes down to personal preference, perhaps nothing more.

It's too bad that Apple did not release iPhone Ultra with Touch ID, Face ID and 
a headphone jack, eh?  (big smile)

Mark 


-Original Message-
From: Robert Doc Wright godfearer  
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 3:24 AM
To: M. Taylor 
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

mark what has been your wrestling match with face ID?

On 9/10/2022 11:26 PM, M. Taylor wrote:
> Hello Dennis and Everyone,
>
> Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.
>
> I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at 
> worst, with iPhone release this time around.
>
> I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.
>
> Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
> Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
> settings when eSim is activated.  This is according to several articles I've 
> read, recently.
>
> I just don't know, I just don't know.
>
> I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely 
> going to miss Touch ID.
>
> Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first 
> couple of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the 
> new models (smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on the path to 
> iPhone 14.
>
> Mark
>
>
>
>
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
> Long
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>
> The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
> will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than 
> I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I 
> think a lot of people won't upgrade.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>
>  From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
> You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
> an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
> I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the 
> regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from 
> last year. They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now 
> has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one 
> good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a 
> good reason for people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it.
> I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, 
> recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be 
> able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 
> Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into 
> good photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really 
> want to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various 
> apps which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for 
> the 14 Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 
> 13 Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well.
>
> I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have 
> upgraded to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I 
> would have to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. 
> This means that over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to 
> keep the phone I'd have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay 
> $1,280. I can go to the Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in 
> Canada for $1,399 so I guess doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or 
> $120, but not a huge difference. AS for trade-in, Telus said they

Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Richard Turner]

Mitch, No, any of the Pro models have LIDAR and will therefore have door 
detection.
So, regular pro or pro Max.
I have the 13 Pro and it has LIDAR.





Richard
“What we think or what we know or what we believe is in the end of little 
consequence. The only thing of consequence is what we do” ~ John Ruskin
My web site: https://www.turner42.com


> On Sep 11, 2022, at 4:03 PM, mi...@eastlink.ca wrote:
> 
> Hi well I would like to take advantage of Lidar and door detection. And I 
> was under the impression that only the 13 max moddles and bigger have this. 
> From Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: September 11, 2022 4:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see 
> the Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if 
> you are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much 
> prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in 
> Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these 
> Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the 
> battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost..
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> mi...@eastlink.ca
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
> when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will 
> try then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as 
> well. Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not 
> forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR 
> and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting 
> old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted 
> people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good 
> motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera 
> on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the 
> emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot 
> could offer some peace of mind.
> And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a 
> good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going 
> to wait for that.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
> Long
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
> will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than 
> I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I 
> think a lot of people won't upgrade.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
> You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
> an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
> I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the 
> regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from 
> last year. They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now 
> has auto focus so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one 
> good reason. The emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a 
> good reason for people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it.
> I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, 
> recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be 
> able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 
> Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into 
> good photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really 
> want to take advantag

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[michv]

Hi well I would like to take advantage of Lidar and door detection. And I was 
under the impression that only the 13 max moddles and bigger have this. >From 
Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 4:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the 
Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you 
are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much 
prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in 
Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these 
Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the 
battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost..

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try 
then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. 
Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget 
there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they 
wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any 
iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who 
drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then 
there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus 
and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via 
satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some 
peace of mind.
And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good 
deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait 
for that.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I 
might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think 
a lot of people won't upgrade.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

>From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular 
models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. 
They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus 
so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The 
emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for 
people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it.
I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, 
recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be 
able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 
Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good 
photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want 
to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps 
which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 
Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 13 
Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well.

I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have upgraded 
to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I would have 
to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. This means that 
over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to keep the phone I'd 
have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay $1,280. I can go to the 
Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in Canada for $1,399 so I guess 
doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or $120, but not a huge difference. 
AS for

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[michv]

I ment black Friday lol. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: September 11, 2022 5:00 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Mitch,
Good Friday is April 7, 2023.  Or did you mean Black Friday, the day after US 
Thanksgiving for the pre-Christmas sales?  That is November 25th.  

I am with Sieghard, unless you have a good reason for the larger phone/battery 
life, or enough vision to take advantage of the larger screen, the Pro size 
would be more affordable and get pretty much the same performance other than 
maybe a little less battery life; but they are talking all day battery life 
with either pro or pro max, so the suggestion of a battery pack is a good one.

I think you said you have an 8 now, so any of the 14's will be a huge 
improvement.


Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

My web site: https://www.turner42.com
礪

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the 
Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you 
are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much 
prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in 
Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these 
Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the 
battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost..

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try 
then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. 
Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget 
there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they 
wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any 
iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who 
drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then 
there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus 
and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via 
satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some 
peace of mind.
And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good 
deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait 
for that.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I 
might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think 
a lot of people won't upgrade.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

>From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular 
models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. 
They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus 
so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The 
emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for 
people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it.
I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, 
recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be 
able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 
Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good 
photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a gr

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Richard Turner]

Video playback takes far, far more battery life because it is running the 
screen.
Audio playback doesn't use the screen so your hours would likely at least 
double.

I could get 40 hours of playback on my first iPod Touch 3rd gen by locking the 
phone and letting it run.
I tested it by doing just that.

With these new phones, it will be likely much more than that.


Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

My web site: https://www.turner42.com
礪

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 2:18 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Hi Richard,

Well, one of the differences between the iPhone 14 Pro and the pro max is video 
playback. One reports 23 hours and the max is supposed to provide 29 hours. 
Really, I just don’t think that’s worth it. I do mostly audio, so I would 
assume that number would go up if I’m not doing that much with video playback. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 11, 2022, at 5:00 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Mitch,
> Good Friday is April 7, 2023.  Or did you mean Black Friday, the day after US 
> Thanksgiving for the pre-Christmas sales?  That is November 25th.  
> 
> I am with Sieghard, unless you have a good reason for the larger 
> phone/battery life, or enough vision to take advantage of the larger screen, 
> the Pro size would be more affordable and get pretty much the same 
> performance other than maybe a little less battery life; but they are talking 
> all day battery life with either pro or pro max, so the suggestion of a 
> battery pack is a good one.
> 
> I think you said you have an 8 now, so any of the 14's will be a huge 
> improvement.
> 
> 
> Richard
> “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
> which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 礪
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see 
> the Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if 
> you are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much 
> prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in 
> Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these 
> Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the 
> battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost..
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> mi...@eastlink.ca
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
> when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will 
> try then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as 
> well. Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not 
> forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR 
> and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting 
> old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted 
> people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good 
> motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera 
> on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the 
> emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot 
> could offer some peace of mind.
> And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a 
> good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going 
> to wait for that.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
> Long
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
> will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than 
> I migh

Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Richard,

Well, one of the differences between the iPhone 14 Pro and the pro max is video 
playback. One reports 23 hours and the max is supposed to provide 29 hours. 
Really, I just don’t think that’s worth it. I do mostly audio, so I would 
assume that number would go up if I’m not doing that much with video playback. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 11, 2022, at 5:00 PM, Richard Turner  
> wrote:
> 
> Mitch,
> Good Friday is April 7, 2023.  Or did you mean Black Friday, the day after US 
> Thanksgiving for the pre-Christmas sales?  That is November 25th.  
> 
> I am with Sieghard, unless you have a good reason for the larger 
> phone/battery life, or enough vision to take advantage of the larger screen, 
> the Pro size would be more affordable and get pretty much the same 
> performance other than maybe a little less battery life; but they are talking 
> all day battery life with either pro or pro max, so the suggestion of a 
> battery pack is a good one.
> 
> I think you said you have an 8 now, so any of the 14's will be a huge 
> improvement.
> 
> 
> Richard
> “People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
> which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard
> 
> My web site: https://www.turner42.com
> 礪
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:47 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see 
> the Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if 
> you are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much 
> prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in 
> Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these 
> Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the 
> battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost..
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> mi...@eastlink.ca
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
> when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will 
> try then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as 
> well. Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not 
> forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR 
> and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting 
> old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted 
> people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good 
> motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera 
> on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the 
> emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot 
> could offer some peace of mind.
> And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a 
> good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going 
> to wait for that.
> 
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
> Long
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
> will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than 
> I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I 
> think a lot of people won't upgrade.
> 
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
> 
> From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
> You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
> an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
> I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the 
> regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from 
> last year. They

Re: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Les Kriegler]

Sieghard I have eight iPhone 12 mini and I haven’t really been happy with the 
battery life. It doesn’t meet my needs. So I think this is the only thing that 
makes sense. I like the idea of the start up chime and so often I start my 
phone and more for the night I have to start of the second time before it will 
actually start. So this should help. Anyway, thanks for the information. You 
are a funny man. I trust your judgment even if you make a mistake. By the way, 
I do think that crash detection is in the iPhone 14. Have a good one.
Best,
Les 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Sep 11, 2022, at 4:43 PM, Sieghard Weitzel  wrote:
> 
> 
> Hello Les,
>  
> I believe all iPhone 14 models have crash detection, but then again, we are 
> well into the second half of 2022 and I could be wrong for the first time 
> this year 藍
> Having said this and even if that is correct, I can totally see why you would 
> want a pro phone this time around. I can't remember what you have now, but if 
> you have an iPhone 12 or later whether Pro or not, the 14 Pro really is the 
> only thing worth upgrading to. If somebody had an iPhone 8 or older then of 
> course upgrading to a regular iPhone 14 would be a big improvement.
> Of course there is always the Apple Watch 8, they also have crash detection 
> and especially if you don't have an Apple Watch you might really enjoy the 
> experience and even if you do have one and it's not a 7th Gen, you could get 
> crash detection for a lot less money than the cost of an iPhone 14 Pro. There 
> is also the thing about what you have access to should you, hopefully never 
> the case, have a car crash. It is more likely your Apple Watch will be on 
> your wrist and accessible should you be in a position where you can talk to 
> emergency services whereas your iPhone could be tossed anywhere unless you 
> have it securely in a pocket or belt holster.
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
> Kriegler
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:00 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>  
> Hi Sieghard,
> I'm glad you mentioned the crash detection feature. That was the first item 
> that really grabbed my attention. My wife still drives, but I can tell you as 
> we age, safety is of primary concern. I hope we never have to use it, but you 
> just never know. In my case, that feature alone makes the Pro worth the 
> upgrade, along with the other benefits already mentioned on this list.'
> Best,
>  
> Les
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>  
> As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not 
> forget there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR 
> and if they wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting 
> old then any iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted 
> people who drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good 
> motivation, then there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera 
> on the 14/14 Plus and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the 
> emergency SOS via satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot 
> could offer some peace of mind.
> And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a 
> good deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going 
> to wait for that.
>  
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
> Long
> Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>  
> The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
> will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than 
> I might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I 
> think a lot of people won't upgrade.
>  
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Sieghard Weitzel
> Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?
>  
> From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
> You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
> an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
> I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the 
> regular models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from 
> last year. They say they imp

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Richard Turner]

Mitch,
Good Friday is April 7, 2023.  Or did you mean Black Friday, the day after US 
Thanksgiving for the pre-Christmas sales?  That is November 25th.  

I am with Sieghard, unless you have a good reason for the larger phone/battery 
life, or enough vision to take advantage of the larger screen, the Pro size 
would be more affordable and get pretty much the same performance other than 
maybe a little less battery life; but they are talking all day battery life 
with either pro or pro max, so the suggestion of a battery pack is a good one.

I think you said you have an 8 now, so any of the 14's will be a huge 
improvement.


Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

My web site: https://www.turner42.com
礪

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:47 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the 
Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you 
are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much 
prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in 
Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these 
Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the 
battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost..

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try 
then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. 
Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget 
there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they 
wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any 
iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who 
drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then 
there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus 
and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via 
satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some 
peace of mind.
And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good 
deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait 
for that.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I 
might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think 
a lot of people won't upgrade.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

>From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular 
models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. 
They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus 
so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The 
emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for 
people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it.
I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, 
recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be 
able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 
Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good 
photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want 
to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps 
which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 
Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Just curious, why a 13 Pro Max rather than just a regular 13 Pro? I can see the 
Pro Max being a good thing if you are doing a lot of braille input or if you 
are out and about a lot and want absolutely the most battery life. I much 
prefer the slightly smaller phone, it costs a couple of hundred less here in 
Canada and if battery life is really a concern then you can get one of these 
Anker MagGo external batteries for $50 or $60 and that would even beat the 
battery life of a Pro max at a lot less cost..

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 10:34 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try 
then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. 
Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget 
there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they 
wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any 
iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who 
drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then 
there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus 
and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via 
satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some 
peace of mind.
And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good 
deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait 
for that.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I 
might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think 
a lot of people won't upgrade.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

>From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular 
models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. 
They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus 
so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The 
emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for 
people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it.
I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, 
recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be 
able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 
Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good 
photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want 
to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps 
which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 
Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 13 
Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well.

I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have upgraded 
to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I would have 
to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. This means that 
over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to keep the phone I'd 
have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay $1,280. I can go to the 
Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in Canada for $1,399 so I guess 
doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or $120, but not a huge difference. 
AS for trade-in, Telus said they would give me $200 for my iPhone 11 64 Gb 
which is laughable because I know I could easily get $500 for it if I put it up 
for sale now privately.
So I will just wait and see what happens for a while, if the iPhone 14 and 14 
Pro phones aren't accepted as much as Apple may hope they are you may soon find 
stores, carriers and maybe even Ap

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hello Les,



I believe all iPhone 14 models have crash detection, but then again, we are 
well into the second half of 2022 and I could be wrong for the first time this 
year 藍

Having said this and even if that is correct, I can totally see why you would 
want a pro phone this time around. I can't remember what you have now, but if 
you have an iPhone 12 or later whether Pro or not, the 14 Pro really is the 
only thing worth upgrading to. If somebody had an iPhone 8 or older then of 
course upgrading to a regular iPhone 14 would be a big improvement.

Of course there is always the Apple Watch 8, they also have crash detection and 
especially if you don't have an Apple Watch you might really enjoy the 
experience and even if you do have one and it's not a 7th Gen, you could get 
crash detection for a lot less money than the cost of an iPhone 14 Pro. There 
is also the thing about what you have access to should you, hopefully never the 
case, have a car crash. It is more likely your Apple Watch will be on your 
wrist and accessible should you be in a position where you can talk to 
emergency services whereas your iPhone could be tossed anywhere unless you have 
it securely in a pocket or belt holster.



-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Les 
Kriegler
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:00 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?



Hi Sieghard,

I'm glad you mentioned the crash detection feature. That was the first item 
that really grabbed my attention. My wife still drives, but I can tell you as 
we age, safety is of primary concern. I hope we never have to use it, but you 
just never know. In my case, that feature alone makes the Pro worth the 
upgrade, along with the other benefits already mentioned on this list.'

Best,



Les



-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:28 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?



As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget 
there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they 
wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any 
iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who 
drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then 
there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus 
and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via 
satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some 
peace of mind.

And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good 
deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait 
for that.





-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long

Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?



The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I 
might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think 
a lot of people won't upgrade.



-Original Message-

From: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com> 
mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>> On Behalf Of 
Sieghard Weitzel

Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM

To: viphone@googlegroups.com<mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com>

Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?



>From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.

You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.

I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular 
models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. 
They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus 
so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The 
emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for 
people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it.

I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, 
recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be 
able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 
Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good 
photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want 
to 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Les Kriegler]

Hi Sieghard,
I'm glad you mentioned the crash detection feature. That was the first item 
that really grabbed my attention. My wife still drives, but I can tell you as 
we age, safety is of primary concern. I hope we never have to use it, but you 
just never know. In my case, that feature alone makes the Pro worth the 
upgrade, along with the other benefits already mentioned on this list.'
Best,

Les

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Sunday, September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget 
there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they 
wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any 
iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who 
drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then 
there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus 
and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via 
satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some 
peace of mind.
And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good 
deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait 
for that.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I 
might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think 
a lot of people won't upgrade.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

>From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular 
models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. 
They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus 
so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The 
emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for 
people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it.
I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, 
recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be 
able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 
Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good 
photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want 
to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps 
which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 
Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 13 
Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well.

I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have upgraded 
to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I would have 
to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. This means that 
over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to keep the phone I'd 
have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay $1,280. I can go to the 
Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in Canada for $1,399 so I guess 
doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or $120, but not a huge difference. 
AS for trade-in, Telus said they would give me $200 for my iPhone 11 64 Gb 
which is laughable because I know I could easily get $500 for it if I put it up 
for sale now privately.
So I will just wait and see what happens for a while, if the iPhone 14 and 14 
Pro phones aren't accepted as much as Apple may hope they are you may soon find 
stores, carriers and maybe even Apple offering extra deals and Black Friday is 
only just over 2 months off. I am of course somewhat tempted to get an iPhone 
14 Pro because I like the idea of the MagSafe charging where a slight bump or 
pull on the Earpods wouldn't dislodge the phone from its charging position on 
the wireless charging pad and you can get external batteries like that new 
Anker 622 MagGo which has 5,000 Mah capacity and it snaps onto the back of the 
phone without covering the camera opening, but I'll just wait a bit longer. 
Once the new phones are regularly available they may even be sold by my credit 
c

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[michv]

I am going to upgrade to a I phone 13 max if I can but am also going to wate 
when is good Friday again? Since if there is a good sale on one then I will try 
then. I am shure that the prices of those older phones will go down as well. 
Btw I am one of those with a 8. From Mich.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 11, 2022 1:28 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget 
there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they 
wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any 
iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who 
drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then 
there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus 
and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via 
satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some 
peace of mind.
And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good 
deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait 
for that.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I 
might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think 
a lot of people won't upgrade.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

>From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular 
models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. 
They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus 
so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The 
emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for 
people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it.
I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, 
recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be 
able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 
Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good 
photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want 
to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps 
which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 
Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 13 
Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well.

I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have upgraded 
to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I would have 
to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. This means that 
over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to keep the phone I'd 
have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay $1,280. I can go to the 
Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in Canada for $1,399 so I guess 
doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or $120, but not a huge difference. 
AS for trade-in, Telus said they would give me $200 for my iPhone 11 64 Gb 
which is laughable because I know I could easily get $500 for it if I put it up 
for sale now privately.
So I will just wait and see what happens for a while, if the iPhone 14 and 14 
Pro phones aren't accepted as much as Apple may hope they are you may soon find 
stores, carriers and maybe even Apple offering extra deals and Black Friday is 
only just over 2 months off. I am of course somewhat tempted to get an iPhone 
14 Pro because I like the idea of the MagSafe charging where a slight bump or 
pull on the Earpods wouldn't dislodge the phone from its charging position on 
the wireless charging pad and you can get external batteries like that new 
Anker 622 MagGo which has 5,000 Mah capacity and it snaps onto the back of the 
phone without covering the camera opening, but I'll just wait a bit longer. 
Once the new phones are regularly available they may even be sold by my credit 
card rewards program and I have plenty of points and if not then I know for 
sure they have $500 Apple Store or Best Buy gift cards whic

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

As always people will upgrade whether they have to or not. And let's not forget 
there are many who still have phones like the iPhone 8, X, XS or XR and if they 
wish to upgrade this year simply because their phones are getting old then any 
iPhone 14 whether Pro or not is still a good choice. For sighted people who 
drive even just the crash detection feature can be a good motivation, then 
there is a slightly larger battery, slightly improved camera on the 14/14 Plus 
and big time improved camera on the Pro models and the emergency SOS via 
satellite which again for users who are off the grid a lot could offer some 
peace of mind.
And anybody who doesn't think they need all that they can probably score a good 
deal on an iPhone 13 come Black Friday. I am actually most likely going to wait 
for that.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I 
might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think 
a lot of people won't upgrade.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

>From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular 
models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. 
They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus 
so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The 
emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for 
people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it.
I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, 
recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be 
able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 
Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good 
photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want 
to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps 
which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 
Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 13 
Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well.

I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have upgraded 
to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I would have 
to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. This means that 
over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to keep the phone I'd 
have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay $1,280. I can go to the 
Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in Canada for $1,399 so I guess 
doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or $120, but not a huge difference. 
AS for trade-in, Telus said they would give me $200 for my iPhone 11 64 Gb 
which is laughable because I know I could easily get $500 for it if I put it up 
for sale now privately.
So I will just wait and see what happens for a while, if the iPhone 14 and 14 
Pro phones aren't accepted as much as Apple may hope they are you may soon find 
stores, carriers and maybe even Apple offering extra deals and Black Friday is 
only just over 2 months off. I am of course somewhat tempted to get an iPhone 
14 Pro because I like the idea of the MagSafe charging where a slight bump or 
pull on the Earpods wouldn't dislodge the phone from its charging position on 
the wireless charging pad and you can get external batteries like that new 
Anker 622 MagGo which has 5,000 Mah capacity and it snaps onto the back of the 
phone without covering the camera opening, but I'll just wait a bit longer. 
Once the new phones are regularly available they may even be sold by my credit 
card rewards program and I have plenty of points and if not then I know for 
sure they have $500 Apple Store or Best Buy gift cards which I could order and 
then use to buy one. I know for sure that if I had a MagSafe capable phone like 
a 12 or 13 series phone I'd have 0 incentive to get a 14.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 9:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

As far as I know, LIDAR is still only on the pro and pro max models.

One could call Apple to double check, bu

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[M. Taylor]

Hello Dennis and Everyone,

Dennis I completely agree with your sentiment.

I was completely underwhelmed, at best, and absolutely disappointed, at worst, 
with iPhone release this time around.

I was hoping for some form of TouchID but, not gonna happen.

Removing the SIM tray on the US models is somewhat concerning as A T & T 
Wireless has had some problems with Activating and maintaining the account 
settings when eSim is activated.  This is according to several articles I've 
read, recently.

I just don't know, I just don't know.

I have been trying to get used to FaceID via iPhone 11 but am definitely going 
to miss Touch ID.

Be that as it may, I plan to get an iPhone 14 Pro Max; not in the first couple 
of months; figure I'll give carriers and Apple time to break in the new models 
(smile), specifically eSIM activation but I am on the path to iPhone 14.

Mark





-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Dennis 
Long
Sent: Saturday, September 10, 2022 2:22 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I 
might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think 
a lot of people won't upgrade.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

>From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular 
models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. 
They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus 
so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The 
emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for 
people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it.
I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, 
recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be 
able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 
Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good 
photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want 
to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps 
which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 
Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 13 
Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well.

I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have upgraded 
to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I would have 
to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. This means that 
over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to keep the phone I'd 
have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay $1,280. I can go to the 
Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in Canada for $1,399 so I guess 
doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or $120, but not a huge difference. 
AS for trade-in, Telus said they would give me $200 for my iPhone 11 64 Gb 
which is laughable because I know I could easily get $500 for it if I put it up 
for sale now privately.
So I will just wait and see what happens for a while, if the iPhone 14 and 14 
Pro phones aren't accepted as much as Apple may hope they are you may soon find 
stores, carriers and maybe even Apple offering extra deals and Black Friday is 
only just over 2 months off. I am of course somewhat tempted to get an iPhone 
14 Pro because I like the idea of the MagSafe charging where a slight bump or 
pull on the Earpods wouldn't dislodge the phone from its charging position on 
the wireless charging pad and you can get external batteries like that new 
Anker 622 MagGo which has 5,000 Mah capacity and it snaps onto the back of the 
phone without covering the camera opening, but I'll just wait a bit longer. 
Once the new phones are regularly available they may even be sold by my credit 
card rewards program and I have plenty of points and if not then I know for 
sure they have $500 Apple Store or Best Buy gift cards which I could order and 
then use to buy one. I know for sure that if I had a MagSafe capable phone like 
a 12 or 13 series phone I'd have 0 incentive to get a 14.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 9:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

As far as I know, LIDAR is still only on 

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Dennis Long]

No the basic 14 and 14 plus don't it is limited to pro and pro maxes.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 11:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

the subject heading says it all. I did not hear any mention of Lidar in apple’s 
presentation on wednesday. I have Xr, and the only insentive for me to upgrade 
would be Lidar. Does anyone know?
Cheers


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RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Dennis Long]

The phones were terrible in my opinion they offered nothing.  Hopefully they 
will offer touch ID somewhere on all phones if they do that and the USBC than I 
might get one but If they do little to nothing like they did this year I think 
a lot of people won't upgrade.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

>From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular 
models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. 
They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus 
so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The 
emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for 
people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it.
I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, 
recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be 
able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 
Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good 
photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want 
to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps 
which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 
Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 13 
Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well.

I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have upgraded 
to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I would have 
to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. This means that 
over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to keep the phone I'd 
have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay $1,280. I can go to the 
Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in Canada for $1,399 so I guess 
doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or $120, but not a huge difference. 
AS for trade-in, Telus said they would give me $200 for my iPhone 11 64 Gb 
which is laughable because I know I could easily get $500 for it if I put it up 
for sale now privately.
So I will just wait and see what happens for a while, if the iPhone 14 and 14 
Pro phones aren't accepted as much as Apple may hope they are you may soon find 
stores, carriers and maybe even Apple offering extra deals and Black Friday is 
only just over 2 months off. I am of course somewhat tempted to get an iPhone 
14 Pro because I like the idea of the MagSafe charging where a slight bump or 
pull on the Earpods wouldn't dislodge the phone from its charging position on 
the wireless charging pad and you can get external batteries like that new 
Anker 622 MagGo which has 5,000 Mah capacity and it snaps onto the back of the 
phone without covering the camera opening, but I'll just wait a bit longer. 
Once the new phones are regularly available they may even be sold by my credit 
card rewards program and I have plenty of points and if not then I know for 
sure they have $500 Apple Store or Best Buy gift cards which I could order and 
then use to buy one. I know for sure that if I had a MagSafe capable phone like 
a 12 or 13 series phone I'd have 0 incentive to get a 14.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 9:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

As far as I know, LIDAR is still only on the pro and pro max models.

One could call Apple to double check, but I was surprised they didn't mention 
anything about it especially with the door detection feature that is apparently 
coming in iOS 16, but of course, Wednesday's presentation was focused on 
hardware, not software.

 


Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

My web site: https://www.turner42.com
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 8:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

the subject heading says it all. I did not hear any mention of Lidar in apple’s 
presentation on wednesday. I have Xr, and the only insentive for me to upgrade 
would be Lidar. Does anyone know?
Cheers


Sent from my iPad

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RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Hello Mich,

You still don't get the iPhone 13 Pro Max for $0, they may want you to think 
you do, but the question is how much your plan is and what you get for that. If 
you pay anywhere around $80 a month for which you should get unlimited Canada 
wide calling and texting + quite a good amount of data then you are still 
paying at least $20 or $25 for your phone and if they say that you have to give 
the phone back after 2 years or pay something to keep it then  you definitely 
don't get it for free.
You can get a plan with unlimited calling and texting + a bunch of data from 
Koodo or similar for probably no more than $50 or $55 a months if you bring 
your own phone so anything above $50 or $55 is for your phone.
As for the iPhone 8, if you have a 64 Gb model than they might give you $100 if 
you are lucky, remember they only offered me $200 for my iPhone 11 which 
already has Face Id and is newer.
You can, however, still get probably $250 or $200 for sure for your iPhone 8 if 
you sell it privately and as long as it is in good condition.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
mi...@eastlink.ca
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 12:32 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

I am hopeing to upgrade from the I phone 8 to the I phone 13 max so that I can 
take addvantige of the lidar feture how ever I am also with tellis and I am 
wondering how mutch they would give me for my I phone 8? Since I am in the 
bring it back program and I would only have to pay for the taxes and get the I 
phone 13 max for 0 dollars not counting the taxes of korce. I to was not that 
impressed with the I phone 14 how ever I did like the watch though the watch ie 
I meen not the more expencive ones. How ever even that I would have to pay 
around 300 cad and I am notshure if I should go with the gps version or the one 
with cell service. As far as the answer to the question in this post I don't 
think that the I phone 14 has the lidar no. from Mich Verrier from New Liskeard 
Ontario Canada.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

>From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular 
models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. 
They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus 
so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The 
emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for 
people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it.
I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, 
recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be 
able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 
Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good 
photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want 
to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps 
which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 
Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 13 
Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well.

I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have upgraded 
to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I would have 
to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. This means that 
over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to keep the phone I'd 
have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay $1,280. I can go to the 
Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in Canada for $1,399 so I guess 
doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or $120, but not a huge difference. 
AS for trade-in, Telus said they would give me $200 for my iPhone 11 64 Gb 
which is laughable because I know I could easily get $500 for it if I put it up 
for sale now privately.
So I will just wait and see what happens for a while, if the iPhone 14 and 14 
Pro phones aren't accepted as much as Apple may hope they are you may soon find 
stores, carriers and maybe even Apple offering extra deals and Black Friday is 
only just over 2 months off. I am of course somewhat tempted to get an iPhone 
14 Pro because I like the idea of the MagSafe charging where a slight bump or 
pull on the Earpods wouldn't dislodge the phone from its charging position on 
the wireless charging pad and you can get external batteries like that new 
Anker 622 MagGo which has 5,000 Mah capacity and it snaps onto the back of the 
ph

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[michv]

I am hopeing to upgrade from the I phone 8 to the I phone 13 max so that I can 
take addvantige of the lidar feture how ever I am also with tellis and I am 
wondering how mutch they would give me for my I phone 8? Since I am in the 
bring it back program and I would only have to pay for the taxes and get the I 
phone 13 max for 0 dollars not counting the taxes of korce. I to was not that 
impressed with the I phone 14 how ever I did like the watch though the watch ie 
I meen not the more expencive ones. How ever even that I would have to pay 
around 300 cad and I am notshure if I should go with the gps version or the one 
with cell service. As far as the answer to the question in this post I don't 
think that the I phone 14 has the lidar no. from Mich Verrier from New Liskeard 
Ontario Canada.

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Sieghard 
Weitzel
Sent: September 9, 2022 3:24 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

>From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular 
models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. 
They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus 
so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The 
emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for 
people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it.
I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, 
recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be 
able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 
Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good 
photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want 
to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps 
which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 
Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 13 
Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well.

I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have upgraded 
to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I would have 
to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. This means that 
over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to keep the phone I'd 
have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay $1,280. I can go to the 
Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in Canada for $1,399 so I guess 
doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or $120, but not a huge difference. 
AS for trade-in, Telus said they would give me $200 for my iPhone 11 64 Gb 
which is laughable because I know I could easily get $500 for it if I put it up 
for sale now privately.
So I will just wait and see what happens for a while, if the iPhone 14 and 14 
Pro phones aren't accepted as much as Apple may hope they are you may soon find 
stores, carriers and maybe even Apple offering extra deals and Black Friday is 
only just over 2 months off. I am of course somewhat tempted to get an iPhone 
14 Pro because I like the idea of the MagSafe charging where a slight bump or 
pull on the Earpods wouldn't dislodge the phone from its charging position on 
the wireless charging pad and you can get external batteries like that new 
Anker 622 MagGo which has 5,000 Mah capacity and it snaps onto the back of the 
phone without covering the camera opening, but I'll just wait a bit longer. 
Once the new phones are regularly available they may even be sold by my credit 
card rewards program and I have plenty of points and if not then I know for 
sure they have $500 Apple Store or Best Buy gift cards which I could order and 
then use to buy one. I know for sure that if I had a MagSafe capable phone like 
a 12 or 13 series phone I'd have 0 incentive to get a 14.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 9:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

As far as I know, LIDAR is still only on the pro and pro max models.

One could call Apple to double check, but I was surprised they didn't mention 
anything about it especially with the door detection feature that is apparently 
coming in iOS 16, but of course, Wednesday's presentation was focused on 
hardware, not software.

 


Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

My web site: https://www.turner42.com
礪

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Friday, Septembe

RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Sieghard Weitzel]

>From all I read the regular 14 and 14 Plus do not have LiDAR.
You'd be hard pressed to list 3 good reasons why somebody should upgrade from 
an iPhone 13 to a 14 or even from an 11 or 12 to a 14.
I am actually quite underwhelmed with this years phones especially the regular 
models which still have the A15 chip just like the 13 models from last year. 
They say they improved the camera a bit and the front camera now has auto focus 
so I guess if you are a selfie obsessed person that may be one good reason. The 
emergency SOS via satellite is definitely a feature and a good reason for 
people who go off the grid a lot and then that is about it.
I have a regular iPhone 11 which works great and for things like doing OCR, 
recognizing currency or using other Seeing AI features I doubt you would be 
able to notice an improvement between it and the iPhone 14 or even iPhone 14 
Pro. For sighted people who love taking tons of photos and are really into good 
photography the 14 Pro definitely would be a great option, if you really want 
to take advantage of door detection and maybe other features in various apps 
which require the LiDAR sensor then you have also a very good reason for the 14 
Pro or Pro Max, but only if you don't already have a 12 Pro/Pro Max or 13 
Pro/Pro Max which already have the LiDAR sensor as well.

I had my call from Telus, my provider in Canada today and I could have upgraded 
to an iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb for $30/month over 24 months and then I would have 
to give the phone back to them or buy out that option for $560. This means that 
over 2 years I would have paid $720 and if I then wanted to keep the phone I'd 
have to buy it out for $560 so in total I would pay $1,280. I can go to the 
Apple Store and buy a new iPhone 14 Pro 128 Gb in Canada for $1,399 so I guess 
doing the deal with Telus may save me $100 or $120, but not a huge difference. 
AS for trade-in, Telus said they would give me $200 for my iPhone 11 64 Gb 
which is laughable because I know I could easily get $500 for it if I put it up 
for sale now privately.
So I will just wait and see what happens for a while, if the iPhone 14 and 14 
Pro phones aren't accepted as much as Apple may hope they are you may soon find 
stores, carriers and maybe even Apple offering extra deals and Black Friday is 
only just over 2 months off. I am of course somewhat tempted to get an iPhone 
14 Pro because I like the idea of the MagSafe charging where a slight bump or 
pull on the Earpods wouldn't dislodge the phone from its charging position on 
the wireless charging pad and you can get external batteries like that new 
Anker 622 MagGo which has 5,000 Mah capacity and it snaps onto the back of the 
phone without covering the camera opening, but I'll just wait a bit longer. 
Once the new phones are regularly available they may even be sold by my credit 
card rewards program and I have plenty of points and if not then I know for 
sure they have $500 Apple Store or Best Buy gift cards which I could order and 
then use to buy one. I know for sure that if I had a MagSafe capable phone like 
a 12 or 13 series phone I'd have 0 incentive to get a 14.


-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 9:31 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

As far as I know, LIDAR is still only on the pro and pro max models.

One could call Apple to double check, but I was surprised they didn't mention 
anything about it especially with the door detection feature that is apparently 
coming in iOS 16, but of course, Wednesday's presentation was focused on 
hardware, not software.

 


Richard
“People demand freedom of speech as a compensation for the freedom of thought 
which they seldom use.” - Søren Kierkegaard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 8:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

the subject heading says it all. I did not hear any mention of Lidar in apple’s 
presentation on wednesday. I have Xr, and the only insentive for me to upgrade 
would be Lidar. Does anyone know?
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RE: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Richard Turner]

As far as I know, LIDAR is still only on the pro and pro max models.

One could call Apple to double check, but I was surprised they didn't mention 
anything about it especially with the door detection feature that is apparently 
coming in iOS 16, but of course, Wednesday's presentation was focused on 
hardware, not software.

 


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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Cris Ali
Sent: Friday, September 9, 2022 8:57 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

the subject heading says it all. I did not hear any mention of Lidar in apple’s 
presentation on wednesday. I have Xr, and the only insentive for me to upgrade 
would be Lidar. Does anyone know?
Cheers


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Does iPhone 14 have Lidar capability?

[Cris Ali]

the subject heading says it all. I did not hear any mention of Lidar in apple’s 
presentation on wednesday. I have Xr, and the only insentive for me to upgrade 
would be Lidar. Does anyone know?
Cheers


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RE: LIDAR Feature

[Sieghard Weitzel]

Very well written article, LiDAR definitely seems to have a lot of potential. 
After all you can buy electronic measuring tools which very accurately can 
measure distance of up to hundreds of feet and of course laser rangefinders 
used for Hunting can measure distances of up to many thousands of yards, but 
this wouldn't be easily possible for a blind person because you would have to 
be able to aim them directly at an object or animal to get a reading. 16 feet 
is a good start, let's hope in time this might increase a bit to at least 30 or 
40 feet which I think could be useful and also that app developers find more 
clever ways to use it for providing information we can use and benefit from. 
And of course let's hope next year or in 2023 it will not only be a Pro phone 
feature.

From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Richard 
Turner
Sent: November 17, 2021 11:06 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: LIDAR Feature

I just learned that Judy Dixon, who wrote a fabulous book on using the camera, 
“Capturing and Sharing The World” available from National Braille Press in many 
formats, wrote an article in May of 2021 for Access World explaining the LIDAR 
feature in the pro iPhone models since iPhone 12 and on some iPads.
I recommend reading it if you want to know more about LIDAR.


The Power of LiDAR Comes to an iPhone Near You | American Foundation for the 
Blind | AccessWorld | (afb.org)<https://www.afb.org/aw/22/5/17555>

Her book is updated as of iOS 13 and the 11 Pro; but has tons of tips that can 
help any blind person take better pictures.
I highly recommend the book as well.
Here is the link on NBP.org
https://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/PHOTOS.html?from_search=1




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LIDAR Feature

[Richard Turner]

I just learned that Judy Dixon, who wrote a fabulous book on using the camera, 
"Capturing and Sharing The World" available from National Braille Press in many 
formats, wrote an article in May of 2021 for Access World explaining the LIDAR 
feature in the pro iPhone models since iPhone 12 and on some iPads.
I recommend reading it if you want to know more about LIDAR.


The Power of LiDAR Comes to an iPhone Near You | American Foundation for the 
Blind | AccessWorld | (afb.org)<https://www.afb.org/aw/22/5/17555>

Her book is updated as of iOS 13 and the 11 Pro; but has tons of tips that can 
help any blind person take better pictures.
I highly recommend the book as well.
Here is the link on NBP.org
https://www.nbp.org/ic/nbp/PHOTOS.html?from_search=1




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Re: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question

[Shane Lowe]

Richard,
Yep, it would definitely be pointless to download Super Lidar on a
device without a Lidar sensor. :(
I can't wait to hear what you think!

On 8/16/21, Richard Turner  wrote:
> Thanks Shane,
> I am intending to get one of the iPhone 13 models when they come out and
> will certainly try out the Super LLIDAR app then.
>
> I assume it is pointless to download it on a device without LIDAR.
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
> Web site: www.turner42.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shane
> Lowe
> Sent: Monday, August 16, 2021 7:59 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question
>
> Hi, sorry I'm late to the discussion!
> We do have an app called Super Lidar, which is completely free. If you have
> the chance to try it out; I'd love to hear what you think. We're also happy
> to bring in some new beta testers, if you're interested in that as well. :)
>
> On 8/12/21, Kay Malmquist  wrote:
>> Yes, that was what it was now that you mention it.
>>
>> Kay Malmquist
>> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>>
>> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
>> Bob Proctor
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Richard Turner" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 5:07 PM
>> Subject: RE: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question
>>
>>
>> I think supersense has a whole other app called SuperLidar which I
>> have not
>>
>> looked into since I don't have a phone with LIDAR yet.
>> I don't know if it is another paid app.
>> Seeing AI is free, so worth checking out to see what it is like.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Richard
>> Software means never having to say you're finished
>>
>> Web site:
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
>> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C24884047cdda4b10c3ca08d960c66c28%7
>> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637647227606353624%7CUnkno
>> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL
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>> NxW%2BxA%3Dreserved=0
>>
>> -Original Message-
>> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
>> Kay Malmquist
>> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 3:07 PM
>> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
>> Subject: Re: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question
>>
>> Aren't they using it with Supersense or something like that?
>>
>> Kay Malmquist
>> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>>
>> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
>> Bob Proctor
>>
>> - Original Message -
>> From: "Richard Turner" 
>> To: 
>> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 4:20 PM
>> Subject: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question
>>
>>
>> Courtesy of Wikipedia:
>> Lidar is an acronym of "light detection and ranging"
>> or "laser imaging, detection, and ranging".
>>
>> Now, whether you should care about it, I cannot say.
>>
>> Here is an article about how Seeing AI is using this feature:
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmspow
>> eruser.com%2Fmicrosoft-seeing-ai-app-lidar-support-space-in-3d%2F
>> data=04%7C01%7C%7C24884047cdda4b10c3ca08d960c66c28%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb
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>> ed=0
>>
>> Here is an article of how it can help in navigating in unfamiliar areas:
>> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.n
>> extpit.com%2Fiphone-12-pro-can-help-the-blind-get-around-safely-with-l
>> idardata=04%7C01%7C%7C24884047cdda4b10c3ca08d960c66c28%7C84df9e7f
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>> h1OTYVzNKKl1n3G

RE: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question

[Richard Turner]

Thanks Shane,
I am intending to get one of the iPhone 13 models when they come out and will 
certainly try out the Super LLIDAR app then.

I assume it is pointless to download it on a device without LIDAR.

Thanks,




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Shane 
Lowe
Sent: Monday, August 16, 2021 7:59 AM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question

Hi, sorry I'm late to the discussion!
We do have an app called Super Lidar, which is completely free. If you have the 
chance to try it out; I'd love to hear what you think. We're also happy to 
bring in some new beta testers, if you're interested in that as well. :)

On 8/12/21, Kay Malmquist  wrote:
> Yes, that was what it was now that you mention it.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Richard Turner" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 5:07 PM
> Subject: RE: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question
>
>
> I think supersense has a whole other app called SuperLidar which I 
> have not
>
> looked into since I don't have a phone with LIDAR yet.
> I don't know if it is another paid app.
> Seeing AI is free, so worth checking out to see what it is like.
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
> Web site: 
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C24884047cdda4b10c3ca08d960c66c28%7
> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637647227606353624%7CUnkno
> wn%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiL
> CJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=5%2B8YmjtUH2tZMHKGSvDPkduGlxBmsYWWLbEnU
> NxW%2BxA%3Dreserved=0
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Kay Malmquist
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 3:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question
>
> Aren't they using it with Supersense or something like that?
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Richard Turner" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 4:20 PM
> Subject: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question
>
>
> Courtesy of Wikipedia:
> Lidar is an acronym of "light detection and ranging"
> or "laser imaging, detection, and ranging".
>
> Now, whether you should care about it, I cannot say.
>
> Here is an article about how Seeing AI is using this feature:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmspow
> eruser.com%2Fmicrosoft-seeing-ai-app-lidar-support-space-in-3d%2F
> data=04%7C01%7C%7C24884047cdda4b10c3ca08d960c66c28%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb
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> ed=0
>
> Here is an article of how it can help in navigating in unfamiliar areas:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.n
> extpit.com%2Fiphone-12-pro-can-help-the-blind-get-around-safely-with-l
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> reserved=0
>
> If you want to watch a video focused on sighted users watch this:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.y
> outube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DUzLzLQQJC30data=04%7C01%7C%7C24884047cdd
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>
>
>
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
> Web site:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.tu
> rner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7C24884047cdda4b10c3ca08d960c66c28%7
> C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637647227606353624%7CUnkno
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> NxW%2BxA%3Dreserved=0
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Thursday, August 12,

Re: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question

[Shane Lowe]

Hi, sorry I'm late to the discussion!
We do have an app called Super Lidar, which is completely free. If you
have the chance to try it out; I'd love to hear what you think. We're
also happy to bring in some new beta testers, if you're interested in
that as well. :)

On 8/12/21, Kay Malmquist  wrote:
> Yes, that was what it was now that you mention it.
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Richard Turner" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 5:07 PM
> Subject: RE: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question
>
>
> I think supersense has a whole other app called SuperLidar which I have not
>
> looked into since I don't have a phone with LIDAR yet.
> I don't know if it is another paid app.
> Seeing AI is free, so worth checking out to see what it is like.
>
>
>
>
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
> Web site: www.turner42.com
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay
> Malmquist
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 3:07 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question
>
> Aren't they using it with Supersense or something like that?
>
> Kay Malmquist
> kay.malmqu...@gmail.com
>
> "Where focus goes, energy flows."
> Bob Proctor
>
> - Original Message -
> From: "Richard Turner" 
> To: 
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 4:20 PM
> Subject: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question
>
>
> Courtesy of Wikipedia:
> Lidar is an acronym of "light detection and ranging"
> or "laser imaging, detection, and ranging".
>
> Now, whether you should care about it, I cannot say.
>
> Here is an article about how Seeing AI is using this feature:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmspoweruser.com%2Fmicrosoft-seeing-ai-app-lidar-support-space-in-3d%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cc84ac3d261d24e1c22d208d95ddcdeb7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637644025489372678%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=%2BVo6NGJ4MCWq6BewMMkbfFYIqRfZUkroK8CCMdlEtN4%3Dreserved=0
>
> Here is an article of how it can help in navigating in unfamiliar areas:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nextpit.com%2Fiphone-12-pro-can-help-the-blind-get-around-safely-with-lidardata=04%7C01%7C%7Cc84ac3d261d24e1c22d208d95ddcdeb7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637644025489382634%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=uhjOL577JkpYcqlF9P0HFJPvfJhpJFTSCJiZWrKKt38%3Dreserved=0
>
> If you want to watch a video focused on sighted users watch this:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DUzLzLQQJC30data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc84ac3d261d24e1c22d208d95ddcdeb7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637644025489382634%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=mI%2FmBc%2FCRlx4qkwFwwcE3AQA30uRIgs0M2GU9YmMTDk%3Dreserved=0
>
>
>
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
> Web site:
> https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.turner42.com%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cc84ac3d261d24e1c22d208d95ddcdeb7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637644025489382634%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=DuJ8%2F7CwwjTlHyRoDiskG61xlyOssgi803FM9GBpxJo%3Dreserved=0
>
> -Original Message-
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Joshua Hendrickson
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 12:53 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: A chip question
>
> What is Lidar, and why should I care about it?
>
> On 8/12/21, Kevin Minor  wrote:
>> Hi.
>>
>> I have a pair of gaming headphones that I connect to my iPhone with a
>> lightning adaptor. I lost that adaptor, and decided to order one that
>> had a
>> 3.5 mm jack on it, and a lightning jack to hook a cord so I could
>> charge it and use the headphones at the same time. I connected the
>> gaming headphones to the 3.5 mm jack to see how well it would work. I
>> activated Siri on my phone, and spoke into my gaming mic. To my
>> surprise, Siri came out of the speakers on my phone. I then tried to
>> make a call on my iPhone, and instead of it coming through my
>> headphones, it was routed to the ear speaker, which meant I couldn't
>> hear it. I can't remember the brand of adaptor I got, but at least
>> this one didn't route phone aud

Re: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question

[Kay Malmquist]

Yes, that was what it was now that you mention it.

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor

- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Turner" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 5:07 PM
Subject: RE: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question


I think supersense has a whole other app called SuperLidar which I have not 
looked into since I don't have a phone with LIDAR yet.
I don't know if it is another paid app.
Seeing AI is free, so worth checking out to see what it is like.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 3:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question

Aren't they using it with Supersense or something like that?

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor

- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Turner" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 4:20 PM
Subject: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question


Courtesy of Wikipedia:
Lidar is an acronym of "light detection and ranging"
or "laser imaging, detection, and ranging".

Now, whether you should care about it, I cannot say.

Here is an article about how Seeing AI is using this feature:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmspoweruser.com%2Fmicrosoft-seeing-ai-app-lidar-support-space-in-3d%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cc84ac3d261d24e1c22d208d95ddcdeb7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637644025489372678%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=%2BVo6NGJ4MCWq6BewMMkbfFYIqRfZUkroK8CCMdlEtN4%3Dreserved=0

Here is an article of how it can help in navigating in unfamiliar areas:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nextpit.com%2Fiphone-12-pro-can-help-the-blind-get-around-safely-with-lidardata=04%7C01%7C%7Cc84ac3d261d24e1c22d208d95ddcdeb7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637644025489382634%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=uhjOL577JkpYcqlF9P0HFJPvfJhpJFTSCJiZWrKKt38%3Dreserved=0

If you want to watch a video focused on sighted users watch this:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DUzLzLQQJC30data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc84ac3d261d24e1c22d208d95ddcdeb7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637644025489382634%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=mI%2FmBc%2FCRlx4qkwFwwcE3AQA30uRIgs0M2GU9YmMTDk%3Dreserved=0



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: 
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 12:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A chip question

What is Lidar, and why should I care about it?

On 8/12/21, Kevin Minor  wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I have a pair of gaming headphones that I connect to my iPhone with a
> lightning adaptor. I lost that adaptor, and decided to order one that
> had a
> 3.5 mm jack on it, and a lightning jack to hook a cord so I could
> charge it and use the headphones at the same time. I connected the
> gaming headphones to the 3.5 mm jack to see how well it would work. I
> activated Siri on my phone, and spoke into my gaming mic. To my
> surprise, Siri came out of the speakers on my phone. I then tried to
> make a call on my iPhone, and instead of it coming through my
> headphones, it was routed to the ear speaker, which meant I couldn't
> hear it. I can't remember the brand of adaptor I got, but at least
> this one didn't route phone audio through it, and the gaming mic
> didn't work at all. I called up Apple and ordered that little
> lightning plug that I had, and all works as expected. I do have an
> adaptor with two female lightning plugs on it, so I can use my headphones
> and charge my phone at the same time.
>
> Just giving a heads up.
>
> Have a blessed day and don't work too hard.
> Kevin and Jilly
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 2:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: A chip question
>
> Yes there are.
>
> I have one that uses the 3.5 MM earphone jack but they make one that
> uses the lightning jack.  It is a small rectang

RE: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question

[Richard Turner]

I think supersense has a whole other app called SuperLidar which I have not 
looked into since I don't have a phone with LIDAR yet.
I don't know if it is another paid app.
Seeing AI is free, so worth checking out to see what it is like.




Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Kay 
Malmquist
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 3:07 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question

Aren't they using it with Supersense or something like that?

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor

- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Turner" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 4:20 PM
Subject: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question


Courtesy of Wikipedia:
Lidar is an acronym of "light detection and ranging"
or "laser imaging, detection, and ranging".

Now, whether you should care about it, I cannot say.

Here is an article about how Seeing AI is using this feature:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fmspoweruser.com%2Fmicrosoft-seeing-ai-app-lidar-support-space-in-3d%2Fdata=04%7C01%7C%7Cc84ac3d261d24e1c22d208d95ddcdeb7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637644025489372678%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=%2BVo6NGJ4MCWq6BewMMkbfFYIqRfZUkroK8CCMdlEtN4%3Dreserved=0

Here is an article of how it can help in navigating in unfamiliar areas:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.nextpit.com%2Fiphone-12-pro-can-help-the-blind-get-around-safely-with-lidardata=04%7C01%7C%7Cc84ac3d261d24e1c22d208d95ddcdeb7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637644025489382634%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=uhjOL577JkpYcqlF9P0HFJPvfJhpJFTSCJiZWrKKt38%3Dreserved=0

If you want to watch a video focused on sighted users watch this:
https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DUzLzLQQJC30data=04%7C01%7C%7Cc84ac3d261d24e1c22d208d95ddcdeb7%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637644025489382634%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000sdata=mI%2FmBc%2FCRlx4qkwFwwcE3AQA30uRIgs0M2GU9YmMTDk%3Dreserved=0



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: 
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-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 12:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A chip question

What is Lidar, and why should I care about it?

On 8/12/21, Kevin Minor  wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I have a pair of gaming headphones that I connect to my iPhone with a
> lightning adaptor. I lost that adaptor, and decided to order one that
> had a
> 3.5 mm jack on it, and a lightning jack to hook a cord so I could
> charge it and use the headphones at the same time. I connected the
> gaming headphones to the 3.5 mm jack to see how well it would work. I
> activated Siri on my phone, and spoke into my gaming mic. To my
> surprise, Siri came out of the speakers on my phone. I then tried to
> make a call on my iPhone, and instead of it coming through my
> headphones, it was routed to the ear speaker, which meant I couldn't
> hear it. I can't remember the brand of adaptor I got, but at least
> this one didn't route phone audio through it, and the gaming mic
> didn't work at all. I called up Apple and ordered that little
> lightning plug that I had, and all works as expected. I do have an
> adaptor with two female lightning plugs on it, so I can use my headphones 
> and charge my phone at the same time.
>
> Just giving a heads up.
>
> Have a blessed day and don't work too hard.
> Kevin and Jilly
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 2:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: A chip question
>
> Yes there are.
>
> I have one that uses the 3.5 MM earphone jack but they make one that
> uses the lightning jack.  It is a small rectangular box with a
> charging port for your charging cable, and another port for the
> earphones, then a short cable; maybe 3 inches, that you plug into the 
> phones charging port.
> Thefollowing one will work with your lightning earphones:
>
> Belkin Lightning Audio + Charge Rockstar Pr

Re: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question

[Kay Malmquist]

Aren't they using it with Supersense or something like that?

Kay Malmquist
kay.malmqu...@gmail.com

"Where focus goes, energy flows."
Bob Proctor

- Original Message - 
From: "Richard Turner" 
To: 
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 4:20 PM
Subject: LIDAR, was RE: A chip question


Courtesy of Wikipedia:
Lidar is an acronym of "light detection and ranging"
or "laser imaging, detection, and ranging".

Now, whether you should care about it, I cannot say.

Here is an article about how Seeing AI is using this feature:
https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-seeing-ai-app-lidar-support-space-in-3d/

Here is an article of how it can help in navigating in unfamiliar areas:
https://www.nextpit.com/iphone-12-pro-can-help-the-blind-get-around-safely-with-lidar

If you want to watch a video focused on sighted users watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzLzLQQJC30



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
Joshua Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 12:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A chip question

What is Lidar, and why should I care about it?

On 8/12/21, Kevin Minor  wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I have a pair of gaming headphones that I connect to my iPhone with a
> lightning adaptor. I lost that adaptor, and decided to order one that
> had a
> 3.5 mm jack on it, and a lightning jack to hook a cord so I could
> charge it and use the headphones at the same time. I connected the
> gaming headphones to the 3.5 mm jack to see how well it would work. I
> activated Siri on my phone, and spoke into my gaming mic. To my
> surprise, Siri came out of the speakers on my phone. I then tried to
> make a call on my iPhone, and instead of it coming through my
> headphones, it was routed to the ear speaker, which meant I couldn't
> hear it. I can't remember the brand of adaptor I got, but at least
> this one didn't route phone audio through it, and the gaming mic
> didn't work at all. I called up Apple and ordered that little
> lightning plug that I had, and all works as expected. I do have an
> adaptor with two female lightning plugs on it, so I can use my headphones 
> and charge my phone at the same time.
>
> Just giving a heads up.
>
> Have a blessed day and don't work too hard.
> Kevin and Jilly
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 2:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: A chip question
>
> Yes there are.
>
> I have one that uses the 3.5 MM earphone jack but they make one that
> uses the lightning jack.  It is a small rectangular box with a
> charging port for your charging cable, and another port for the
> earphones, then a short cable; maybe 3 inches, that you plug into the 
> phones charging port.
> Thefollowing one will work with your lightning earphones:
>
> Belkin Lightning Audio + Charge Rockstar Product Information Overview
> The Belkin Lightning Audio + Charge RockStar offers dual functionality
> for charging and listening to your iPhone or iPad. Whether you want to
> charge in the car, on the go, or at home, the adapter makes it
> possible to listen to Lightning Audio and power your iPhone, 
> simultaneously.
>
> From Apple, It is $39.95
> Belkin Lightning Audio + Charge Rockstar -
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>
> You may want to see if Amazon carries it for less; or someplace else.
>
> HTH,
>
>
>
> Richard
> Software means never having to say you're finished
>
> Web site:
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LIDAR, was RE: A chip question

[Richard Turner]

Courtesy of Wikipedia:
Lidar is an acronym of "light detection and ranging" 
or "laser imaging, detection, and ranging".

Now, whether you should care about it, I cannot say.

Here is an article about how Seeing AI is using this feature:
https://mspoweruser.com/microsoft-seeing-ai-app-lidar-support-space-in-3d/

Here is an article of how it can help in navigating in unfamiliar areas:
https://www.nextpit.com/iphone-12-pro-can-help-the-blind-get-around-safely-with-lidar

If you want to watch a video focused on sighted users watch this:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzLzLQQJC30



Richard
Software means never having to say you're finished

Web site: www.turner42.com

-Original Message-
From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Joshua 
Hendrickson
Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 12:53 PM
To: viphone@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: A chip question

What is Lidar, and why should I care about it?

On 8/12/21, Kevin Minor  wrote:
> Hi.
>
> I have a pair of gaming headphones that I connect to my iPhone with a 
> lightning adaptor. I lost that adaptor, and decided to order one that 
> had a
> 3.5 mm jack on it, and a lightning jack to hook a cord so I could 
> charge it and use the headphones at the same time. I connected the 
> gaming headphones to the 3.5 mm jack to see how well it would work. I 
> activated Siri on my phone, and spoke into my gaming mic. To my 
> surprise, Siri came out of the speakers on my phone. I then tried to 
> make a call on my iPhone, and instead of it coming through my 
> headphones, it was routed to the ear speaker, which meant I couldn’t 
> hear it. I can’t remember the brand of adaptor I got, but at least 
> this one didn’t route phone audio through it, and the gaming mic 
> didn’t work at all. I called up Apple and ordered that little 
> lightning plug that I had, and all works as expected. I do have an 
> adaptor with two female lightning plugs on it, so I can use my headphones and 
> charge my phone at the same time.
>
> Just giving a heads up.
>
> Have a blessed day and don’t work too hard.
> Kevin and Jilly
>
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of 
> Richard Turner
> Sent: Thursday, August 12, 2021 2:22 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: RE: A chip question
>
> Yes there are.
>
> I have one that uses the 3.5 MM earphone jack but they make one that 
> uses the lightning jack.  It is a small rectangular box with a 
> charging port for your charging cable, and another port for the 
> earphones, then a short cable; maybe 3 inches, that you plug into the phones 
> charging port.
> Thefollowing one will work with your lightning earphones:
>
> Belkin Lightning Audio + Charge Rockstar Product Information Overview 
> The Belkin Lightning Audio + Charge RockStar offers dual functionality 
> for charging and listening to your iPhone or iPad. Whether you want to 
> charge in the car, on the go, or at home, the adapter makes it 
> possible to listen to Lightning Audio and power your iPhone, simultaneously.
>
> From Apple, It is $39.95
> Belkin Lightning Audio + Charge Rockstar - 
> Apple<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2
> Fwww.apple.com%2Fshop%2Fproduct%2FHKKP2ZM%2FA%2Fbelkin-lightning-audio
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Re: Lidar app

['Harry Bell' via VIPhone]

And on the most recent iPad Pro!
Harry

> On 22 Mar 2021, at 14:02, Mr. Ed  wrote:
> 
> 
> Only on the iPhone 12 pro and 12 pro max
> Mr. Ed
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Maria Campbell
> Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 8:30 AM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Re: Lidar app
>  
> So this app is still only available on the iPhone 12?
> 
>  
> 
> Maria Campbell
> lucky1i...@gmail.com
>  
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> On 3/21/2021 10:00 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
> Mr. Ed,
>  
> The app is called Super Lidar and it is by the same developer of the 
> Supersense app. Here is the website:
>  
> https://apps.apple.com/us/app/super-lidar-lidar-for-blind/id1543706309
>  
> Alan Lemly
>  
> From: viphone@googlegroups.com [mailto:viphone@googlegroups.com] On Behalf Of 
> Mr. Ed
> Sent: Sunday, March 21, 2021 6:29 PM
> To: viphone@googlegroups.com
> Subject: Lidar app
>  
> Hi Everyone,
> I know there was an app that use Lidar. Does anyone remember what the name of 
> this new app was?
> Mr. Ed
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RE: Lidar app

[Richard Turner]

Only the iPhone 12 and 12 pro have the lidar feature.
I suspect the iPhone 13, or whatever it will be called, will have it also.



Richard

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From: viphone@googlegroups.com  On Behalf Of Maria 
Campbell
Sent: Monday, March 22, 2021 6:30 AM
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Subject: Re: Lidar app


So this app is still only available on the iPhone 12?



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On 3/21/2021 10:00 PM, Alan Lemly wrote:
Mr. Ed,

The app is called Super Lidar and it is by the same developer of the Supersense 
app. Here is the website:

https://apps.apple.com/us/app/super-lidar-lidar-for-blind/id1543706309<https://na01.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fapps.apple.com%2Fus%2Fapp%2Fsuper-lidar-lidar-for-blind%2Fid1543706309=04%7C01%7C%7C8aa671675c12430678c208d8ed368e97%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435%7C1%7C0%7C637520165859390367%7CUnknown%7CTWFpbGZsb3d8eyJWIjoiMC4wLjAwMDAiLCJQIjoiV2luMzIiLCJBTiI6Ik1haWwiLCJXVCI6Mn0%3D%7C1000=gTR298Zb5FA3maZ04bPdShvwsBeg3BeWqTN10NPMyC8%3D=0>

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Hi Everyone,
I know there was an app that use Lidar. Does anyone remember what the name of 
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